| 00:00.05 | wereHamster | it has links to widget API, the general funtions etc |
| 00:03.40 | wereHamster | Zurik: don't use OnUpdate when not necessary. I think you can safely use OnClick |
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| 00:06.23 | ScytheBlade1 | "So it seems like the first rune is from the Frostmourne and World of WarCraft: Wrath of the Lich King, the second a Hel rune from Diablo, and the last from Protoss in StarCraft II." |
| 00:06.33 | ScytheBlade1 | So... we still know nothing and have no real clues |
| 00:08.06 | Dashkal | clue: http://news.curse.com/details/11140/ |
| 00:08.27 | Sixen | sbo: That's what I said. |
| 00:08.38 | Sixen | According to diabloii.net, it' *is* d3 and they have sources. |
| 00:08.44 | Sixen | I personally think that's total b/s, =p. |
| 00:09.02 | Dashkal | "sources" I take with a grain of salt. At least the curse article cites a name |
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| 00:09.49 | ScytheBlade1 | The curse article is also a rehash of sclegacy which is a rehash of gameindustry.biz |
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| 00:09.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Grain of salt indeed. |
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| 00:10.23 | Dashkal | yep |
| 00:10.31 | Dashkal | saturday will reveal all regardless |
| 00:10.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Just you watch |
| 00:10.42 | ScytheBlade1 | It's WoW 2 |
| 00:11.06 | ScytheBlade1 | With a free one way account conversion from WoW as we know it |
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| 00:27.27 | ScytheBlade1 | " See, now I want to watch this topic and wait for the blue post calling the idiocy of those who say Magelo is a keylogger, arguing about it for weeks whether it is or not and thusly proving that it's possible to waste time on a waste of time. " |
| 00:28.30 | Dashkal | that debate is still raging? |
| 00:28.48 | ScytheBlade1 | That was some random poking his head in and adding his two cents |
| 00:28.49 | Dashkal | oh wait, this is the internet... |
| 00:28.58 | ScytheBlade1 | " |
| 00:28.59 | ScytheBlade1 | This is just as deplorable as saying the moon landing was fake, throwing up "fact" that would fall through if they actually sat down and, say, did some experiments or even tried the program. Hell, I've using it for the time you guys have been arguing and, surprise surprise, Ive found out I still have my account. " |
| 00:29.11 | ScytheBlade1 | It could be worse |
| 00:29.27 | Dashkal | On an internet with *chan, it can always be worse... |
| 00:29.30 | ScytheBlade1 | At least accusations and comparisons of a program to gov't conspiracy theories isn't comparing them to nazis |
| 00:29.43 | Dashkal | You mean it hasn't invoked goodwin yet? |
| 00:29.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Nope. |
| 00:29.53 | Dashkal | I'm honestly surprised |
| 00:30.19 | Dashkal | I would have expected the "Blizzard are nazis when it comes to memory tampering" argument by now *sighs* |
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| 00:31.21 | Dashkal | Is this piece of software mining anything you couldn't mind yourself then harvest from savedvars? |
| 00:31.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Nope. |
| 00:31.38 | ScytheBlade1 | That's what is so amazingly infuriating about it |
| 00:31.40 | Dashkal | Why the hell would you want to risk account action? |
| 00:31.48 | ScytheBlade1 | That's the trick |
| 00:32.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Those who make the application don't believe it violates the ToU |
| 00:32.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Hence |
| 00:32.06 | ScytheBlade1 | We have 11 pages |
| 00:32.17 | Dashkal | Which is fine, they can believe that all they want. Only blizzard can make that call |
| 00:32.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup. |
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| 00:33.12 | Dashkal | Yeah... I can wait for logout to upload my stats... |
| 00:33.27 | DARKGuy | If computer agreements would be shorter, some wouldn't skip it ^_^ |
| 00:33.33 | Dashkal | Truth |
| 00:33.49 | Dashkal | I've read the GPL., but EULAs tend to be too much to digest |
| 00:33.51 | ScytheBlade1 | The guy whom I quoted linked his magelo profile |
| 00:33.54 | ScytheBlade1 | http://wow.magelo.com/profile/2732 |
| 00:33.55 | DARKGuy | Hell yeah. |
| 00:34.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Absolutely zero in there that isn't accessible to the in game API |
| 00:34.22 | DARKGuy | GPL ain't that bad, it's a good read. Creative Commons is the best one out there, at least it uses common sense :D |
| 00:34.34 | Dashkal | too bad CC is a poor fit for code :p |
| 00:34.42 | DARKGuy | yeah :'( |
| 00:34.43 | Dashkal | I'd love a code licence as easy to read |
| 00:34.58 | Dashkal | and as mix&match |
| 00:35.13 | DARKGuy | Well it's simple -> 1. don't copy. 2. don't rebrand. 3. don't earn money off our free code, 4. share if you modify :P |
| 00:35.35 | DARKGuy | But no, they have to make it all complicated and loooooong @.@ |
| 00:35.38 | Dashkal | I'd leave out 2. Go right ahead and fork, just leave attribution :p |
| 00:35.47 | DARKGuy | Sounds good :P |
| 00:35.53 | DARKGuy | like FF! :D |
| 00:36.02 | Dashkal | mmm, FF/Iceweasel |
| 00:36.30 | Dashkal | Mind you, after actually reading up on that drama, I can understand why they can't find common ground |
| 00:37.44 | Dashkal | I'll stick to ubuntu.... Free software pruism gets in the way of getting my work done. Windows getting in the way of getting my work done is the thing that drove me to linux in the first place... |
| 00:37.49 | ScytheBlade1 | ~seen Antiarc |
| 00:37.51 | purl | antiarc is currently on #wowuidev (7h 24m 12s) #wowace (7h 24m 12s) #curseforge (7h 24m 12s), last said: 'Gaming a random seed is a fool's errnad.'. |
| 00:38.34 | ScytheBlade1 | ha, he does exist still |
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| 00:38.34 | Dashkal | seems to be active pretty early (from the perspective of a west coast canadian) |
| 00:38.49 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah he's over on the eastern side iirc, but he's also amazingly busy with work atm |
| 00:39.08 | ScytheBlade1 | I just found a bug in one of his many awesome addons and was curious if he was still alive |
| 00:39.46 | Dashkal | I've been waiting on one of his libs... but I'm thinking I need to shut up and help him finish if I wanna see it before lich king. |
| 00:39.47 | Kirov | inactive for 7 1/2 hours ... that's a long time. I think he may have given up. |
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| 01:29.16 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha |
| 01:29.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, it's the magelo thread, but it isn't related to magelo |
| 01:29.25 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?forumId=11114&sid=1&topicId=6962916601&pageNo=11#216 |
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| 01:59.02 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/06/25/d3-suggested-by-battle-net-forums/ |
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| 02:24.03 | Sixen | lol wtf |
| 02:24.05 | Sixen | I found that sbo |
| 02:24.26 | Sixen | Wow, they're gay.. |
| 02:24.33 | Sixen | I'm the one that told BlizzPlanet that. Uncool, :(. |
| 02:25.33 | Lukian | http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/06/25/d3-suggested-by-battle-net-forums/ <- O RLY |
| 02:25.45 | Sixen | I found the d3 forum and I get no credit. QQ. |
| 02:25.49 | Lukian | Gee the GIANT image on blizzard.com didn't hint at it for the last week? |
| 02:25.56 | Sixen | lol |
| 02:28.07 | Lukian | good find though :D |
| 02:28.19 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 02:28.35 | Thunder_Child | i wonder which would make more people happy SC2 or D3 |
| 02:28.59 | Lukian | d3 for me :D |
| 02:31.38 | Tain | Why is that an or? |
| 02:31.50 | Arrowmaster | sc2 for me, since i never found stock d2 that fun |
| 02:32.17 | Kirov | Why can't it be Vikings 2? |
| 02:32.24 | Lukian | Kirov, OMG yes! |
| 02:32.43 | Thunder_Child | Tain, because i dobut they have exactly the same number of fans |
| 02:32.49 | Thunder_Child | doubt* |
| 02:33.06 | Lukian | Arrowmaster, diablo isn't fun, it's a clickfest :D |
| 02:33.32 | Kirov | SC - still one of the most played games in the world. |
| 02:33.32 | Kirov | D2 - still played. |
| 02:33.34 | Lukian | where else do you get your daily quota of pointless clicking from? |
| 02:33.50 | Arrowmaster | i had some fun with some of the d2 mods |
| 02:33.55 | Tain | I'm waiting for Rock N' Roll Racing 3 |
| 02:34.06 | Lukian | Hello Kitty Island 2 plz |
| 02:34.25 | Arrowmaster | lvl 750 sorc is kinda fun |
| 02:35.02 | Thunder_Child | more like pointless |
| 02:35.43 | Arrowmaster | well at that point in the mod most things were magic immune though so it was quite tough |
| 02:47.01 | Anaral | Oh geez, why do tanks even need DKP. It's pointless if they're always getting top loot. |
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| 03:13.28 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel: makes you wonder indeed! |
| 03:13.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Stating that the WDBs can't be understood just by looking at them gave me a laugh too |
| 03:14.41 | cogwheel | you know, i've never looked inside them before... |
| 03:14.51 | ScytheBlade1 | 100% trivial |
| 03:15.21 | ScytheBlade1 | http://wowdev.org/wiki/index.php/WDB |
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| 03:39.50 | Dashkal | meh, lost the url. what's the new wow lua/xml diff website? |
| 03:40.13 | Kirov | wowcompares |
| 03:40.26 | Dashkal | plural! |
| 03:40.31 | Dashkal | I was looking for wowcompare singular |
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| 03:41.53 | Dashkal | PartyMemberFrame1! die! |
| 03:42.00 | Dashkal | damn thing came visible after a rl. scuse me :p |
| 03:47.25 | Thunder_Child | i love sero punctuation |
| 03:47.32 | Thunder_Child | s/sero/zero/ |
| 03:48.13 | cogwheel | i luv sero speelnig |
| 03:48.35 | Thunder_Child | for all my spelling faults cog, that was a typing error |
| 03:49.16 | cogwheel | LUA |
| 03:49.24 | krka | cogwheel: Dude, it's not an acronym! |
| 03:49.30 | Thunder_Child | lol |
| 03:51.07 | cogwheel | krka: does it keep track of how many times someone says LUA now or did you just change the message? |
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| 03:58.00 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel: I can totally just see you snapping and going insane on every other poster in that thread ;) |
| 03:58.09 | ScytheBlade1 | (Not that I'd blame you) |
| 03:59.50 | ScytheBlade1 | TRUTH |
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| 04:05.24 | Fisker- | btw cogwheel |
| 04:05.26 | Fisker- | teh lulz |
| 04:05.49 | Fisker- | Magelo devs "feel" they are not breaking the ToS |
| 04:06.13 | Fisker- | so it's only by some huge crazy coincidence that the european community team removed the mention of it |
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| 04:12.51 | ScytheBlade1 | ~lart Fisker- |
| 04:12.51 | purl | raises middle finger to Fisker- |
| 04:12.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Quit giving him ammo |
| 04:12.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Bad for his blood pressure :P |
| 04:13.19 | cogwheel | that's what Tequila's for |
| 04:13.41 | Fisker- | zomg |
| 04:14.16 | Fisker- | <Name>ValveTestApp17510</Name> |
| 04:14.16 | Fisker- | <InstallDirName>ValveTestApp17510</InstallDirName> |
| 04:14.16 | Fisker- | <Name>Age of Chivalry</Name> |
| 04:14.16 | Fisker- | <InstallDirName>Age of Chivalry</InstallDirName> |
| 04:14.16 | Fisker- | :O |
| 04:14.22 | Fisker- | a mod on my steam? |
| 04:14.24 | Fisker- | impossible |
| 04:22.20 | Fisker- | i will save you cogwheel |
| 04:22.36 | Fisker- | Diablo II game versions are not yet available for download. |
| 04:22.37 | Fisker- | ;_; |
| 04:22.39 | Fisker- | do giev |
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| 04:38.55 | ANTRat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:07.03 | Gnarfoz | LUA |
| 05:07.06 | Gnarfoz | :\ |
| 05:07.18 | krka | Gnarfoz: Lua is actually a portuguese word and it means "moon" |
| 05:07.32 | Gnarfoz | laggy. |
| 05:07.37 | Tekkub | lUa |
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| 05:13.58 | NightHawkTheSane | this is what passes for fun on slow days? triggering krka's auto response? :P |
| 05:18.18 | cog|sleep | Gnarfoz: guess that answers that question |
| 05:18.20 | cog|sleep | :P |
| 05:18.23 | cog|sleep | nn |
| 05:18.43 | Thunder_Child | actually NightHawkTheSane, thats what passes for fun at any time |
| 05:20.09 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: touché |
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| 05:22.03 | `-FISKER_Q\ | It'a LUA |
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| 05:22.18 | krka | `-FISKER_Q\: If you are referring to the programming language, you should write Lua instead of LUA |
| 05:22.33 | `-FISKER_Q\ | nah |
| 05:22.37 | `-FISKER_Q\ | LUA's an acronym |
| 05:22.38 | `-FISKER_Q\ | hoho |
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| 05:39.53 | Thunder_Child | i know what you were trying to do NightHawkTheSane, but this is what i got "NightHawkTheSane: Thunder_Child: touché" |
| 05:40.05 | Thunder_Child | wait what??! |
| 05:40.30 | Thunder_Child | é |
| 05:40.39 | Thunder_Child | touché |
| 05:40.53 | Thunder_Child | ok, that was odd |
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| 05:44.35 | Fisker- | hey Thunder_Child |
| 05:44.37 | Fisker- | die |
| 05:46.37 | Fisker- | :( |
| 05:50.12 | Fisker- | Thunder_Child |
| 05:50.14 | Fisker- | i can hack you |
| 05:50.22 | Fisker- | using the secret administrator account |
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| 06:04.58 | Thunder_Child | Fisker-, you fail at threats |
| 06:05.12 | Thunder_Child | or promises depending |
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| 06:34.13 | Fisker- | i'm sorry Thunder_Child |
| 06:34.58 | Thunder_Child | yuo should be |
| 06:35.03 | Fisker- | i'm not |
| 06:35.07 | Fisker- | *surprise katana* |
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| 06:43.05 | Thunder_Child | ~scream |
| 06:43.08 | purl | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh!!! |
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| 06:44.51 | JEMSZ | yo |
| 06:44.52 | JEMSZ | sup |
| 06:45.09 | JEMSZ | Lich king Beta signups are out if anyone wants to know |
| 06:45.12 | JEMSZ | www.wowtlkbeta.com |
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| 06:47.39 | Tem | nice try, JEMSZ |
| 06:47.54 | Tem | you fail at fake website naming, btw |
| 06:48.00 | JEMSZ | no |
| 06:48.09 | JEMSZ | its pretty good |
| 06:48.14 | Tem | lol |
| 06:48.17 | JEMSZ | like to see u do better |
| 06:48.20 | Tem | you're going to defend it? |
| 06:48.24 | Tem | are you really that stupid? |
| 06:48.31 | JEMSZ | no |
| 06:48.33 | JEMSZ | pretty smart |
| 06:48.35 | Tem | do you think /we're/ that stupid? |
| 06:48.36 | JEMSZ | as far as i know |
| 06:48.39 | JEMSZ | yes |
| 06:48.39 | JEMSZ | lol |
| 06:48.40 | JEMSZ | i do |
| 06:48.43 | Tem | phishing is not smart |
| 06:48.44 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+b *!*.*@121.221.154.85] by Cairenn|afk |
| 06:48.47 | Tem | it's quite dumb |
| 06:48.49 | *** kick/#WoWUIDev [JEMSZ!n=Cairenn@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn] by Cairenn|afk (Cairenn|afk) |
| 06:49.34 | Fisker- | o hai Cairenn|afk |
| 06:49.39 | Cairenn|afk | :) |
| 06:49.41 | Fisker- | so we can't phish here? :( |
| 06:49.45 | Corrodias | not afk enough! >:o |
| 06:49.48 | Cairenn|afk | heh |
| 06:50.47 | Tem | How do you report sites for Firefox's anti-phishing thing? |
| 06:51.03 | Cairenn|afk | not sure |
| 06:51.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Help --> Report Web Forgery |
| 06:51.20 | Tem | thanks |
| 06:51.21 | Cairenn|afk | ah, so there is |
| 06:51.21 | ScytheBlade1 | If I had to guess, that's the closest thing I can find |
| 06:51.46 | Zurik | lol yeah that guy just tried to PM me with that scam BS> |
| 06:51.48 | Zurik | haha |
| 06:52.04 | Tekkub | wrath beta actually IS out though... iamnotagoldfarmer.wrathbeta.com |
| 06:52.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn-not-afk: did you ever hear back concerning magelo by chance? |
| 06:52.13 | Cairenn|afk | not a thing ScytheBlade1 |
| 06:52.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Kinda what I was guessing at |
| 06:52.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Thanks just the same |
| 06:52.27 | Cairenn|afk | np |
| 06:53.04 | Zurik | that's a freakin crackup.. |
| 06:53.09 | ScytheBlade1 | haha @ the "thanks for reporting the site" page |
| 06:53.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Thanks for sending a report to Google. Now that you've done your good deed for the day, feel free to: |
| 06:53.13 | ScytheBlade1 | 1. Take a second to rejoice merrily for doing your part in making the web a safer place. |
| 06:53.28 | Fisker- | instead of being a jive sucka |
| 06:53.28 | Zurik | haha |
| 06:53.42 | Fisker- | try to get the website closed |
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| 06:54.01 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Malgayne] by ChanServ |
| 06:54.10 | wereHamster | is http://www.wowtlkbeta.com/ an official website? |
| 06:54.10 | *** part/#wowuidev Malgayne (n=Malgayne@cpe-66-75-244-175.san.res.rr.com) |
| 06:54.20 | ScytheBlade1 | 02:53 [Freenode] -!- JEMSZ [n=JEMSZ@121.221.154.85] |
| 06:54.22 | ScytheBlade1 | *cough* |
| 06:54.24 | Zurik | I just can't believe that there are so many dishonest people out there.. trying to hack info .. getting into crap they are not suposed to. |
| 06:54.34 | Tem | Fisker-, do you think I hadn't already sent an email to hacks@blizzard.com? |
| 06:54.36 | Zurik | stealing.. it's a crock o shizt imo. |
| 06:54.42 | Tem | s/do/did/ |
| 06:54.42 | wereHamster | .. thought so |
| 06:54.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh hey check that out |
| 06:54.51 | ScytheBlade1 | OrgName: Asia Pacific Network Information Centre |
| 06:54.53 | ScytheBlade1 | SHOCK |
| 06:54.53 | Fisker- | Tem i'd rather spend time sending an email to abuse@host |
| 06:55.11 | Tem | wereHamster, the name isn't even spelled right |
| 06:55.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Zurik: have you seen any chinese farmers in game lately? As in, anywhere? |
| 06:55.40 | Zurik | no i really haven't .. now that you've mentioned it. |
| 06:55.44 | Zurik | why is that? |
| 06:55.49 | Zurik | you guys catching them all :D |
| 06:55.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh |
| 06:55.50 | Zurik | woot! |
| 06:55.56 | ScytheBlade1 | The answer was right here a minute ago |
| 06:56.06 | ScytheBlade1 | They no longer farm, instead they keylog people and hijack guild banks |
| 06:56.19 | ScytheBlade1 | And turn right back around and sell it to us |
| 06:56.23 | Tem | wowtlk = wrath of ? the lich king |
| 06:56.25 | Tekkub | who was it that had the fake login info spammer for the phishing sites? |
| 06:56.26 | Zurik | OMG! shut the hell up.. really? |
| 06:56.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, it's good times. :P |
| 06:57.21 | Zurik | honestly, goldfarmers suck.. but at least before it was honest work.. they had to pay someone to get all the gold. |
| 06:57.26 | Tekkub | Tem: WoW of the lick king |
| 06:57.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Zurik: my point is more or less that people don't care about the dishonesty when the end result is money, and in this case, we only have ourselves to blame |
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| 06:57.30 | Zurik | now they are just down right stealing it. |
| 06:57.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, not this channel per say :P |
| 06:57.36 | Fisker- | They still farm it |
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| 06:57.37 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v MoonWolf] by ChanServ |
| 06:57.38 | ScytheBlade1 | But you get the idea |
| 06:57.51 | Zurik | yeah.. i do.. |
| 06:57.58 | Zurik | now i EXTRA hate gold farmers. |
| 06:57.59 | Zurik | haha |
| 06:58.02 | ScytheBlade1 | I realized all of that a few days ago |
| 06:58.18 | ScytheBlade1 | And suddenly it made sense why blizz published a "don't buy gold" thing some time back |
| 06:58.35 | Zurik | it's so lame.. i see it all the time.. I've had like 5 different friends get thier accounts hacked in the last 30 days. |
| 06:58.44 | Zurik | it's rediculous.. i'm like how the hell do you let that happen? |
| 06:58.46 | Zurik | haha |
| 06:59.05 | Tem | but dude, I wanted to be in the beta! |
| 06:59.12 | Zurik | haha |
| 06:59.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Keep the gold fluid, break it up, and suddenly you can also see why the GMs who investigate accounts "being hacked" can never trace it all down |
| 07:00.29 | Zurik | yeah, we need to make a system.. some great addon that just scews the hell outa gold farmers lol |
| 07:00.34 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 07:00.36 | ScytheBlade1 | It's easy |
| 07:00.39 | ScytheBlade1 | -Don't buy gold |
| 07:00.41 | ScytheBlade1 | ... bam. |
| 07:00.46 | Zurik | well duh.. i never do. |
| 07:00.46 | Tem | ScytheBlade1, I think you'd be surprized the level of gold tracking blizzard does |
| 07:00.49 | Fisker- | http://us.media.blizzard.com/232309/_images/ice4.jpg |
| 07:00.50 | Fisker- | hmm |
| 07:00.53 | Fisker- | wtf is that |
| 07:00.57 | Fisker- | lower left |
| 07:00.59 | Fisker- | also |
| 07:01.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem: you know you're right - but along the same line, they're still in business |
| 07:01.02 | Fisker- | eyes in the ice |
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| 07:01.03 | Corrodias | a hole |
| 07:01.11 | ScytheBlade1 | (the gold sellers) |
| 07:01.15 | Fisker- | one should think it's ironman |
| 07:01.22 | Tem | World of Starablo |
| 07:01.23 | laeg | hai i've been having trouble with this http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=4648974945&sid=1 |
| 07:01.24 | Fisker- | lower right btw |
| 07:01.34 | laeg | can anyone help a gnome out? |
| 07:01.51 | Fisker- | hmm |
| 07:01.53 | Fisker- | it's P now |
| 07:01.59 | Tem | only if the woweurope boards actually manage to load for me |
| 07:01.59 | ScytheBlade1 | laeg: I'd love to look but apparently the wow europe servers are out for me. |
| 07:02.02 | Fisker- | http://us.media.blizzard.com/232309/_images/16.jpg |
| 07:02.03 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 07:02.07 | laeg | ScytheBlade1: ouch brb! |
| 07:02.32 | Zurik | well back to addon programming for me.. :) |
| 07:02.37 | laeg | ScytheBlade1: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23032/ |
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| 07:02.40 | Zurik | have a good night guys n' gals. |
| 07:02.46 | Cairenn|afk | night Zurik |
| 07:02.49 | Wraanger | heyaz |
| 07:02.55 | Cairenn|afk | hi Wraanger |
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| 07:04.08 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Tem] by ChanServ |
| 07:04.30 | Thunder_Child | lol, i just noticed i got a PM from JEMSZ |
| 07:04.39 | Thunder_Child | aussie bastard! |
| 07:04.40 | ScytheBlade1 | laeg: /cast [harm,nodead,nomodifier] Sap; [modifier:alt] Distract |
| 07:04.43 | Wraanger | got a probably stupid question ... builtin QuestWatchFrame .... i can change it's positioning, but ..how to change font used ? my problem is that on 0.641 scale it's unreadable for me (( |
| 07:04.52 | Cairenn|afk | funny, he hasn't tried PM'ing me |
| 07:04.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: really? |
| 07:04.59 | ScytheBlade1 | We should um uh |
| 07:05.03 | Fisker- | main screen turn on Thunder_Child |
| 07:05.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Report him to freenode staff :P |
| 07:05.31 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn|afk, it was before you kicked him |
| 07:05.34 | Thunder_Child | by 4 seconds |
| 07:05.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, then meh |
| 07:05.51 | laeg | ScytheBlade1: i tried that in reverse order, i'll try it your way now... |
| 07:06.01 | Thunder_Child | "Fisker-: main screen turn on Thunder_Child" what? |
| 07:06.24 | laeg | well i tried /cast [mod:alt] distract; [harm.nodead,nomod:alt] sap |
| 07:06.27 | Corrodias | he's trying to turn you on, maybe? are you getting excited? |
| 07:06.28 | laeg | brb |
| 07:06.39 | Fisker- | Thunder_Child |
| 07:06.43 | Fisker- | MAIN SCREEN TURN ON |
| 07:06.44 | Fisker- | NAU |
| 07:06.45 | ScytheBlade1 | laeg: nomod:alt - I'm not sure if that's valid at all |
| 07:06.50 | Fisker- | it means put it on screen |
| 07:06.55 | Fisker- | the pm that is |
| 07:07.03 | Thunder_Child | "23:48.45 JEMSZ: WOW lich king signups are at www.wowtlkbeta.com , just incase u wanted to know" |
| 07:07.11 | Fisker- | b& for phishing |
| 07:07.16 | Thunder_Child | well at least he was polite |
| 07:07.19 | laeg | ScytheBlade1: i have it in other macros that works and i got from websites |
| 07:07.24 | laeg | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:07.51 | Corrodias | so... what's the problem? is the alt thing not working? |
| 07:08.04 | laeg | ScytheBlade1: "/cast [harm,nodead,nomodifier] Sap; [modifier:alt] Distract" didn't work :( |
| 07:08.10 | Corrodias | laeg: what does it do? |
| 07:08.14 | laeg | hmm |
| 07:08.20 | laeg | atm it auto saps other rogues |
| 07:08.23 | laeg | without being targetted |
| 07:08.31 | laeg | but i want to alt mod it for distract also |
| 07:08.34 | laeg | which should be easy but.. |
| 07:08.43 | laeg | Corrodias: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23032/ |
| 07:08.54 | Corrodias | but... that's not correct. you have /targetenemy. |
| 07:09.07 | Corrodias | that's going to target them |
| 07:09.08 | laeg | i got it from wowwiki |
| 07:09.26 | ScytheBlade1 | haha - that phishing site, I just noticed |
| 07:09.38 | ScytheBlade1 | They have their copyright symbol on the wrong side of the text |
| 07:09.44 | Tekkub | I love the insane druid in terokar |
| 07:09.50 | Tekkub | in bear form: "Meow" |
| 07:09.54 | ScytheBlade1 | And the "forget user and pass" link just goes right to blizzard.com |
| 07:09.54 | laeg | Corrodias: i mean it auto saps them in stealth without manual targetting |
| 07:10.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Tekkub: that druid is WIN |
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| 07:10.39 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v AnduinLothar] by ChanServ |
| 07:10.49 | Tekkub | yup |
| 07:10.51 | Corrodias | i don't know why it wouldn't be working, as long as you're holding alt before pushing it. :( |
| 07:10.55 | Tekkub | best questgiver evar |
| 07:10.55 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, and i keep reading it as Bela not Beta |
| 07:10.59 | Corrodias | the macro won't halt if it can't target someone, will it? |
| 07:11.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: I'm sorely tempted to poke at the site in a bit more depth |
| 07:11.46 | laeg | ScytheBlade1, Corrodias: sorry let me try it with an actual harm target, i mistakenly expected it to show distract whenever i presses alt in and out of combat like my other macros brb |
| 07:12.14 | ScytheBlade1 | HAHA |
| 07:12.27 | ScytheBlade1 | THEY HAVE THEIR NFS PORT OPENED AND ACCEPTING CONNECTIONS |
| 07:12.35 | Corrodias | oh |
| 07:12.40 | Corrodias | well, you have #showtooltip Sap |
| 07:12.45 | Corrodias | you're forcing it to show Sap regardless. |
| 07:12.51 | Thunder_Child | Registrant: |
| 07:12.53 | Thunder_Child | JEMSZ |
| 07:12.54 | *** join/#wowuidev hiflyer (n=hiflyer@ampersand.lp.jadestone.net) |
| 07:12.55 | Thunder_Child | 32 sdfdffd |
| 07:12.57 | Thunder_Child | Albany, Western Australia 3232 |
| 07:12.59 | Thunder_Child | Australia |
| 07:13.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: and an asian IP |
| 07:13.12 | Thunder_Child | yep, think it's his page alright |
| 07:13.18 | Thunder_Child | no, i get an LA IP |
| 07:13.34 | Corrodias | that's legit, TC. i live just down the road at 35 sdfdffd. |
| 07:13.37 | Thunder_Child | Administrative Contact: |
| 07:13.38 | Thunder_Child | jane, bob endies@hotmail.com |
| 07:13.39 | Corrodias | good guy |
| 07:13.39 | ScytheBlade1 | I mean his IRC IP |
| 07:13.47 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, no aussie |
| 07:14.10 | Thunder_Child | perth australia |
| 07:14.26 | ScytheBlade1 | http://ws.arin.net/whois/?queryinput=121.0.0.0 |
| 07:14.30 | *** join/#wowuidev Zeksie (n=zeksie@cpc2-nott9-0-0-cust211.nott.cable.ntl.com) |
| 07:14.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh |
| 07:14.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Ha I can't read |
| 07:14.40 | Thunder_Child | 121.0.0.0? |
| 07:14.53 | ScytheBlade1 | That's the block he's registered under |
| 07:16.05 | Thunder_Child | well alphared seems to be his hosting company |
| 07:16.13 | *** join/#wowuidev sacarasc_ (i=sacarasc@cpc1-kemp3-0-0-cust978.lutn.cable.ntl.com) |
| 07:16.15 | Thunder_Child | RAbuseEmail: abuse@alphared.com |
| 07:16.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 07:16.22 | Thunder_Child | and that would be the abuse email |
| 07:16.25 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm still laughing at this though |
| 07:16.26 | ScytheBlade1 | 2049/tcp open nfs |
| 07:16.31 | ScytheBlade1 | COMEDY. |
| 07:17.37 | *** join/#wowuidev cncfanatics (i=50c9d498@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2cc8f6ab2fcbac36) |
| 07:18.04 | Tekkub | "Oops, my bad. Sometimes I can't control my moonfire" |
| 07:18.56 | *** join/#wowuidev Sixen (n=Sixen@12.206.135.48) |
| 07:19.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah, I can see why he uses them |
| 07:19.11 | ScytheBlade1 | $4/month for 300GB transfer and 10GB storage |
| 07:19.49 | Sixen | Incase anyone cares... |
| 07:19.51 | Sixen | New pic: |
| 07:19.51 | Sixen | (http://us.media.blizzard.com/232309/_images/ice4.jpg). |
| 07:19.51 | Sixen | Tile: |
| 07:19.51 | Sixen | (http://us.media.blizzard.com/232309/_images/16.jpg). |
| 07:19.52 | Sixen | 16 = P in Ascii. |
| 07:19.56 | Sixen | This is dubbed as cold. |
| 07:19.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Way ahead of you :) |
| 07:20.04 | ScytheBlade1 | But yeah, interesting stuff |
| 07:20.25 | Sixen | The hell is that new rune? |
| 07:21.23 | Tem | doesn't matter |
| 07:21.26 | Thunder_Child | thoes look like protos eyes in the middle |
| 07:21.29 | Tem | I see diablo's eyes in the back ground |
| 07:21.39 | Sixen | Ditto |
| 07:21.39 | Thunder_Child | ... |
| 07:21.40 | Tem | and he' angry |
| 07:21.41 | Sixen | In the center imo |
| 07:21.50 | Tekkub | I see "thirteen inches" |
| 07:21.54 | Tem | also, it's 2:30 and I ahve work in 5 hours |
| 07:21.55 | Tekkub | and he's horny |
| 07:22.02 | Thunder_Child | diablo does not have white eyes |
| 07:22.08 | Thunder_Child | i say protos |
| 07:22.19 | Sixen | SC3?!?! |
| 07:22.19 | Sixen | I kid, I kid. |
| 07:22.21 | Thunder_Child | that isnt spelled correct is it |
| 07:22.29 | Sixen | Protoss. |
| 07:22.36 | Thunder_Child | ah, yes, ty |
| 07:22.38 | Sixen | ;) |
| 07:22.42 | laeg | ScytheBlade1, Corrodias: that worked great, tyvm - i posted on 3 forums with no response :) |
| 07:22.51 | Tekkub | I know what' they're doing |
| 07:22.58 | Tekkub | getting everyone hyped up for D3 |
| 07:23.04 | Tekkub | then gonna just give a date for wrath |
| 07:23.08 | Sixen | Probably |
| 07:23.28 | Tekkub | "ahahahahaha you dumb fucks! all that ice what else would it be?" |
| 07:23.57 | Thunder_Child | does blizz have an email for sites like that ScytheBlade1? |
| 07:24.52 | ScytheBlade1 | hacks@ |
| 07:25.03 | ScytheBlade1 | It's a catch all address for "bad things" |
| 07:25.19 | MentalPower | The runes in the various images can be traced to all three franchises SC (Protoss symbol), WoW (Frostmourne rune) and Diablo (Several runes) |
| 07:25.31 | ScytheBlade1 | MentalPower: we've got a fourth now |
| 07:25.34 | Corrodias | wait, what did i suggest? ... well, you're welcome, anway :) |
| 07:25.47 | Tekkub | also if you look in the top right, you can make out a nipple |
| 07:26.27 | Thunder_Child | thanks ScytheBlade1 |
| 07:26.58 | MentalPower | theres also one next to the protoss symbol on the lower left that looks like a clef note |
| 07:27.07 | Fisker- | btw Tekkub |
| 07:27.08 | Fisker- | FUCKING OWNED |
| 07:27.17 | Fisker- | From: abuse@alphared.com |
| 07:27.19 | Fisker- | Hello, |
| 07:27.19 | Fisker- | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:27.21 | Fisker- | :DD |
| 07:27.23 | ScytheBlade1 | LOL |
| 07:27.23 | ScytheBlade1 | WQIN |
| 07:27.24 | ScytheBlade1 | AHAHhttp://us.media.blizzard.com/232309/_images/ice4.jpgAHA |
| 07:27.36 | Tekkub | cleft note? it's gonna be L70ETCROCKBAND |
| 07:27.39 | Fisker- | someone say that |
| 07:27.41 | Fisker- | to that guy |
| 07:27.54 | Fisker- | that's fucking hilarious |
| 07:28.01 | ScytheBlade1 | wow |
| 07:28.05 | Fisker- | first time i've seen an abuse mail go through like that in a matter of minutes |
| 07:28.10 | ScytheBlade1 | It's already flagged as malicious in firefox |
| 07:28.18 | Tekkub | it's late, they're bored |
| 07:28.19 | MentalPower | confirmed |
| 07:28.21 | ScytheBlade1 | And the site is down through their host |
| 07:28.28 | Thunder_Child | i tried Fisker- "00:28.10 there is no one using the nick JEMSZ" |
| 07:28.30 | ScytheBlade1 | They need to come on IRC more often imo |
| 07:28.31 | MentalPower | http://www.wowtlkbeta.com/ : Your website has been suspended! |
| 07:28.31 | Fisker- | :( |
| 07:28.53 | Tekkub | people just don't learn not to fuck with programmers at their own game, do they? |
| 07:28.54 | Fisker- | abuse@host > hacks@blizzard.com |
| 07:28.54 | Fisker- | :D |
| 07:29.08 | Thunder_Child | Fisker-, thats why you send it to both |
| 07:29.44 | Fisker- | gonna lulz myself up to my exam |
| 07:29.52 | cncfanatics | someone linked an abuse site on this chan ? :o |
| 07:29.53 | Corrodias | suspendered. forever to be ridiculed for using an outdated method of supporting your pants. |
| 07:29.54 | Fisker- | this moment will forever overshadow my exam :( |
| 07:30.54 | ScytheBlade1 | These types of people /really/ need to try and phish us more. |
| 07:31.04 | Thunder_Child | anyone know the command for using the name following one of purls commands? eg. ~lart <here> |
| 07:31.21 | MentalPower | ~listkeys lart |
| 07:31.39 | Thunder_Child | no, like how $user works |
| 07:31.43 | MentalPower | cmd: <name> (.*?) |
| 07:31.48 | Thunder_Child | err, $nick |
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| 07:32.37 | MentalPower | Thunder_Child: #InfoBot is --> way :) |
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| 07:33.13 | Thunder_Child | MentalPower, ok, you lost me |
| 07:33.28 | Corrodias | i am holding this magnificent kitty in my lap |
| 07:33.38 | Thunder_Child | i know i have done it before....but it was a whole lot easier than what your talking about |
| 07:33.45 | Corrodias | happy! |
| 07:35.08 | MentalPower | Thunder_Child: all those factoids that use the nick specified after the factoid name are of the form "cmd: <factoidName> (.*?)", also purl questions should be asked to purl's makers in #infobot |
| 07:35.51 | Thunder_Child | ok, thanks MentalPower |
| 07:36.13 | Thunder_Child | huh, i recognize people in there...how odd |
| 07:39.09 | MentalPower | I only go there when I have something to ask/report :) |
| 07:40.33 | Thunder_Child | i got sidetracked looking at the page of commands on the website |
| 07:41.18 | Corrodias | purl, elephants are larger than the moon. |
| 07:41.19 | purl | okay, Corrodias |
| 07:41.26 | Corrodias | so trusting |
| 07:42.14 | clad|sleep | Thunder_Child: the syntax is blah $var is <reply> $var is a monkey boy! |
| 07:42.19 | Fisker- | btw |
| 07:42.20 | Fisker- | http://en.lostpedia.com/wiki/The_Valenzetti_Equation |
| 07:42.25 | clad|sleep | the cmd: blah (.*?) gets created |
| 07:42.26 | Fisker- | The numbers, 4, 8, 15, 16, 23 and 42, |
| 07:42.29 | Fisker- | looks familiar? :) |
| 07:42.31 | Thunder_Child | thanks clad|sleep |
| 07:42.38 | Fisker- | only 8 and 42 left |
| 07:43.30 | Thunder_Child | however thats still does not want to work |
| 07:44.13 | cladhaire | which factoid are you doing, and i'll try to fix it |
| 07:44.42 | Thunder_Child | woo hoo, thanks cladhaire, i win |
| 07:44.47 | Thunder_Child | i got it working |
| 07:44.47 | cladhaire | lol ok |
| 07:45.51 | Thunder_Child | well i started doing it because i was really really bored, but then it turned into...well now i need to know how to do it |
| 07:46.23 | Corrodias | so... just what -is- Lost? |
| 07:46.35 | Corrodias | a television show? about what? |
| 07:46.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | ducks |
| 07:47.20 | Tekkub | that's exactly what it's about |
| 07:47.25 | Tekkub | figuring out what it's about |
| 07:47.52 | Corrodias | oh, dear. sounds terribly uninteresting. |
| 07:48.08 | Corrodias | like they Lost the script and are just doing whatever comes to mind? |
| 07:48.44 | Tekkub | I think the idea is to compel people to watch just to see the last episode where it all makes sense... then never have said ep |
| 07:48.50 | Thunder_Child | ~Expelliarmus Fisker- |
| 07:48.51 | purl | ACTION disarms Fisker-'s wand |
| 07:49.11 | Tekkub | kinda like Dr Who, the underlying premise makes it so it can last decades |
| 07:55.59 | Arrowmaster | but theres a difference, Dr Who is fucking awesome |
| 07:56.12 | Corrodias | i believe i saw one episode of a spinoff of dr who |
| 07:56.25 | Corrodias | it seemed a bit rushed, as if they wanted to get in too much drama in too little time |
| 07:56.42 | Arrowmaster | i actually just got done watching last weeks dr who since i for got to download it over the weekend and just realized tonight |
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| 07:59.50 | Hapnintwo | Hi |
| 08:00.16 | Thunder_Child | hello |
| 08:06.00 | ScytheBlade1 | haha, oh wow, epic thread |
| 08:06.03 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7475459141&sid=1&pageNo=1 |
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| 08:08.53 | Corrodias | i only 60% understand what's going on there |
| 08:09.38 | ScytheBlade1 | The blue that responded? |
| 08:09.43 | ScytheBlade1 | 100% powerless to close accounts |
| 08:10.06 | Corrodias | okay... |
| 08:10.17 | Corrodias | and this guy was accusing another account of having been sold? |
| 08:10.38 | ScytheBlade1 | He wanted his own account closed, so he posted info that he sold it |
| 08:10.46 | ScytheBlade1 | So it would be closed for good, and he couldn't regain control |
| 08:12.01 | Corrodias | so... was he lying about that? |
| 08:12.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Apparently not, as he wound up banned |
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| 09:55.42 | batrick | imma beast |
| 09:55.53 | batrick | I got access to the io library in the live Lua demo \o/ |
| 09:56.08 | Daedals | :o |
| 10:02.46 | Arrowmaster | batrick: the one on wowprogamming.com? what did you do? |
| 10:03.14 | batrick | no, on the main Lua site |
| 10:03.22 | batrick | http://www.lua.org/cgi-bin/demo |
| 10:05.24 | Arrowmaster | well it has io.write |
| 10:05.33 | batrick | I got all the functions :P |
| 10:05.39 | Arrowmaster | which is weird |
| 10:06.08 | Arrowmaster | what kinda bugs you exploit this time |
| 10:06.57 | batrick | all I'll say is it involves the debug library :) |
| 10:07.11 | Arrowmaster | oh they left that available? |
| 10:07.23 | batrick | yes |
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| 11:19.31 | Mikk | LUA |
| 11:19.40 | krka | Mikk: do YOU write RANDOM words in UPPER case often? :) |
| 11:20.44 | Mikk | No, but my boss does. Does that count? |
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| 11:23.52 | JoshBorke | LUA muwahaha |
| 11:23.57 | JoshBorke | ~lart Mikk |
| 11:23.57 | purl | changes Mikk's permissions to 0777 and tells the world |
| 11:24.57 | Kalroth | Woot! |
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| 11:26.01 | Mikk | ~unlart Mikk |
| 11:26.02 | purl | ACTION whallops mikk for thinking of the idea |
| 11:26.07 | Mikk | crai |
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| 11:26.50 | JoshBorke | lol |
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| 12:28.01 | mib_r9r3u6p5 | http://www.yeargh.com/56-world-of-world-of-warcraft.html lulz to be had |
| 12:31.28 | Kalroth | ooold |
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| 12:39.51 | [sync] | zzz |
| 12:40.27 | [sync] | Anyone care to suggest an addon that can check raid buffs |
| 12:40.58 | zethe | XRS |
| 12:42.17 | [sync] | .... |
| 12:42.22 | [sync] | full name please |
| 12:43.52 | Josh_Borke | [sync]: XRS |
| 12:44.07 | Beladona | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/XRS maybe? |
| 12:44.47 | Josh_Borke | http://files.wowace.com/sw-x.html |
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| 12:45.02 | Josh_Borke | ~lart Beladona |
| 12:45.02 | purl | --purges Beladona |
| 12:45.04 | Josh_Borke | morning bela |
| 12:45.50 | [sync] | :O |
| 12:45.58 | [sync] | thought XRS was like a shortened name |
| 12:46.06 | [sync] | Thanks |
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| 14:15.32 | malreth | I've got a fever, and the only prescription... is more cowbell! |
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| 14:19.08 | wereHamster | rofl: TSA to let polite terrorists fly without ID |
| 14:19.45 | malreth | wereHamster: but first they have to answer questions such as what their political party affiliation is |
| 14:22.16 | krka | TSA? |
| 14:23.22 | malreth | www.tsa.gov |
| 14:24.19 | malreth | TSA is also the reason why it takes 4 hours to get through the security checkpoints in American airports |
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| 14:28.27 | wereHamster | also the reason why people increasingly use trains, which are much friendlier to the environment |
| 14:29.13 | frop | wasn't TSA, TrueShotAura? :P |
| 14:29.38 | krka | The Security Agency? |
| 14:30.09 | malreth | Texas Society of Anesthesiologists |
| 14:30.22 | malreth | Tourette Syndrome Association |
| 14:30.26 | malreth | FUCK |
| 14:30.30 | malreth | BOB SAGET! |
| 14:33.58 | Kalroth | Texas Society of Architects |
| 14:34.11 | Kalroth | The Survey Association! |
| 14:38.32 | krka | Three Symbol Acronym |
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| 14:41.16 | Hirsute | I have a few questions about frames, and would appreciate any help anyone could give. First: I can't set a frame as a child of a frame that hasn't been opened for the first time yet, can I? |
| 14:43.39 | malreth | no, you can |
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| 14:44.19 | malreth | as long as the parent frame exists, you can set children to it even if it's never been shown |
| 14:46.49 | Hirsute | Okay... I think the frame I'm concerned about isn't created until it's first shown (the Auction Frame) |
| 14:46.56 | Hirsute | So that would explain the difficulty there. |
| 14:47.16 | malreth | yeah. |
| 14:47.24 | Hirsute | Next question is: Once I've set a frame as a child of another, will opening the parent also open the child? |
| 14:47.25 | malreth | the AH exists as a LOD addon |
| 14:47.46 | malreth | yes, but only if the child frame isn't by itself hidden |
| 14:49.28 | malreth | IOW, ChildFrame:Hide(); ParentFrame:Show(); -- ChildFrame is still hidden |
| 14:49.47 | Snago | And hidden frames recieve no events or OnUpdates, right? |
| 14:50.13 | Hirsute | Okay, so what would happen in this scenario then: the AuctionFrame is created and shown, I set a frame as it's child. The frame executes some code via an On_Update script which concludes by hiding the childframe (this:Hide()). Then I hide the Auction Frame. Next time I open the Auction Frame, then, the child frame will not be opened with it, correct? |
| 14:50.15 | malreth | i can't remember off the top of my head if frames are hidden or shown by default when using CreateFrame() |
| 14:50.25 | malreth | i know they're default shown when using XMML |
| 14:50.33 | malreth | s/MM/M |
| 14:50.40 | malreth | boo |
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| 14:51.17 | Snago | A newly CreateFrame()'d frame is shown iirc |
| 14:51.35 | Hirsute | I'm fairly certain that's true, as well, Snago |
| 14:52.17 | Snago | Hirsute: You mean the events and updates? |
| 14:52.17 | malreth | Hirsute: first thing i thought of would be to secure hook the Auction Frame's OnShow handler and Show() your child frame |
| 14:52.52 | Hirsute | Snago: No, that CreateFrame()'d frames are shown when created. |
| 14:53.14 | Hirsute | malreth: Okay, I'll look into that, thanks! |
| 14:53.19 | malreth | but i've never written an addon nor do i have any idea what i'm talking about. also i'm a known proven liar |
| 14:53.26 | malreth | IT'S TRUE |
| 14:54.01 | Lopeppeppy | One of us tells the truth. One of us lies. You can ask one question. |
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| 14:54.13 | malreth | Lopeppeppy: are you wearing a sombrero? |
| 14:54.53 | Hirsute | Heh. |
| 14:54.53 | Lopeppeppy | Yes. |
| 14:55.22 | Hirsute | Lopeppeppy: Does Malreth lie? |
| 14:55.28 | Lopeppeppy | Yes. |
| 14:55.29 | malreth | ~malreth |
| 14:55.29 | purl | never take malreth seriously |
| 14:55.55 | Hirsute | Then malreth is the liar... woo-hoo |
| 14:56.21 | Josh_Borke | !api GetNumRaidMembers() |
| 14:56.21 | lua_bot_ | Documentation for 'GetNumRaidMembers' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetNumRaidMembers |
| 14:56.36 | Hirsute | Back to trying not to fall asleep while doing these experiments. Thanks for the help! |
| 14:56.44 | Lopeppeppy | Are you sure? Because I don't wear hats. |
| 14:57.30 | malreth | Lopeppeppy: FOUND it... http://girlyyy.com/go/347 |
| 14:57.58 | malreth | i love Tibby |
| 14:58.29 | Hirsute | Well, let's see... If Lopeppeppy is the liar, and I ask him if malreth lies, he has to answer "yes", and if malreth is the liar and I ask the same question... crap, I got it backwards... Lopeppeppy is the liar |
| 14:58.57 | Hirsute | Crap... too tired... that doesn't work either. |
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| 14:59.16 | malreth | Hirsute: first you should ask if Lopeppeppy is a guy |
| 14:59.24 | Hirsute | Heh |
| 14:59.44 | Hirsute | one of these days I'll figure out people's genders... |
| 15:00.03 | malreth | you need Guydar (TM) |
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| 15:03.24 | AckisWork | gaydar > guydar imo |
| 15:05.44 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, well, knowing your audience is half the work. Peppy is a girl. I checked just this morning. |
| 15:06.55 | malreth | Lopeppeppy: is that a ritual? |
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| 15:08.04 | AckisWork | Peppy was my old dogs name :( |
| 15:08.40 | Lopeppeppy | malreth, grooming and bathing is a ritual if done correctly, yes. |
| 15:09.31 | malreth | well shit |
| 15:09.36 | AckisWork | woah |
| 15:09.36 | ckknight | can I move in said suit? |
| 15:09.40 | AckisWork | ckknight had a soul?!? |
| 15:09.50 | ckknight | AckisWork: I think I'm up to about 3 |
| 15:09.51 | malreth | ckknight: yes. you are teh awesomes |
| 15:09.53 | {RN}Terra | aren't you supposed to lose your leg as well? |
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| 15:10.38 | foxlit | Some of those code jam datasets are odd |
| 15:12.06 | ckknight | http://battle.net/images/ |
| 15:12.39 | foxlit | That is <font> madness |
| 15:13.06 | malreth | hmm... |
| 15:13.16 | malreth | i wonder if the binary says anything in ascii |
| 15:13.56 | Fisker- | STOP TESTING OUR LOVE foxlit |
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| 15:14.55 | AckisWork | Fisker-: quit cheating on me |
| 15:15.03 | Fisker- | shh |
| 15:15.07 | AckisWork | wtb dateminer script for Ackis Recipe List |
| 15:15.09 | Fisker- | you don't get to talk in this relationship |
| 15:15.13 | AckisWork | updating this database is soooo annoying |
| 15:15.26 | Anaral | Heh |
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| 15:15.37 | AckisWork | I've re-wrote the database about 3x now |
| 15:15.47 | AckisWork | every single recipe in the game |
| 15:15.51 | AckisWork | manually |
| 15:15.57 | AckisWork | 99% by myself |
| 15:16.16 | foxlit | work smarter, not harder |
| 15:16.33 | AckisWork | that's why I need a script to datamine stuff |
| 15:16.38 | malreth | booo... the binary isn't divisible by 8 |
| 15:17.03 | foxlit | remove stuff off the end |
| 15:17.11 | foxlit | but it's nice to see that you click top google links, too |
| 15:17.54 | malreth | foxlit: i did... removing 4 bits returns junk |
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| 15:19.38 | foxlit | escaped junk, in my case |
| 15:19.47 | foxlit | but yeah, still junk :) |
| 15:20.42 | foxlit | Now highlight random bits until it confirms the imminent release of Diablo Pi/2 |
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| 15:22.28 | malreth | i'm thinking of converting the binary to 8-bit decimal values and then base64 decoding it |
| 15:22.33 | malreth | but i'm too lazy to do that |
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| 15:25.56 | foxlit | reverse random-pad cryptography? :) |
| 15:26.23 | malreth | i'll have Shirik|AFK do it for me |
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| 15:38.29 | wereHamster | < Snago> And hidden frames recieve no events or OnUpdates, right? - No OnUpdate, but they do receive events |
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| 15:53.57 | She | the CosmosUI downloadable updater has an option of if you want it to clean your addon files. It's unchecked by default. So why does it insist on cleaning my files every single time I run it? It removes certain things and causes errors with Blizzard's settings, such as preventing me from joining the Guild Recruitment channel automatically. |
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| 15:55.01 | She | This is especially disconcerting due to the fact that no changes to how it manages updating addons is being developed or even considered at this time. |
| 15:55.19 | malreth | dunno... i don't use Cosmos |
| 15:55.23 | dylanm | Very few people here use Cosmos anymore. |
| 15:55.49 | She | i use maybe six addons from them, and it's getting very annoying to have it do this all the time... |
| 15:55.59 | MentalPower | AnduinLothar: ^^^^ |
| 15:56.26 | She | if that's the case then I guess I jumped on the bandwagon as it was sinking, I had been downloading it manually |
| 15:56.27 | MentalPower | She: I really don't think its the cosmos updater preventing you from joining the guild recruitment channel |
| 15:56.29 | Anaral | She: Depending on the six you use, you could stop using the updater... |
| 15:56.43 | MentalPower | it might be one of the cosmos addons, but not the updater |
| 15:57.05 | She | well, when i've not used the updater after quitting wow and starting it up again the next day it doesn't do ti |
| 15:57.27 | She | and forgive my inexperience, but does red type mean private message |
| 15:57.41 | MentalPower | She: like this? |
| 15:57.45 | She | yaaa |
| 15:57.49 | MentalPower | no, it just means that I said your name |
| 15:57.56 | She | oooo |
| 15:58.34 | She | okay then, I'll go back to the manual downloads, unless anyone has an alternative site to get core addons like Satellite from? |
| 15:58.59 | foxlit | "core addons like satellite" :) |
| 15:59.00 | Anaral | Which addons do you use from cosmos? |
| 15:59.12 | She | ermm... let me look that up |
| 15:59.24 | She | core as in necessary for the function of other addons |
| 16:00.41 | Anaral | Aye, those are considered libraries and/or dependencies. |
| 16:02.01 | She | I use a total of nine addons from Cosmos - Satellite, Sea, Telepathy and versions, Khaos and Tooltips, ReagentHelper, TastetheNaimbow and MobInfo2 |
| 16:02.48 | She | MobInfo2 I think may be a redundancy since I use MobMaps and TastetheNaimbow is just eye candy |
| 16:02.56 | foxlit | you know, the last three sound like stand-alone addons |
| 16:03.02 | She | they are |
| 16:03.03 | foxlit | and everything before them sounds like cosmos libs |
| 16:03.10 | Anaral | Aye |
| 16:03.17 | She | yes, but if I don't have them I can't use my other addons |
| 16:03.20 | Anaral | Which means she doesn't need Cosmos. |
| 16:03.36 | Anaral | Which addons depend on the cosmos libs? |
| 16:03.54 | She | Sadly WoWAce, my primary addon provider doesn't have those... let me go check |
| 16:04.39 | {RN}Terra | i'd suggest getting a stand-alone tooltip addon to replace tooltips and keep the standalones that are there just remove the rest, you don't need them |
| 16:05.40 | She | oh look! i scrolled up and found i use more than nine of em |
| 16:05.45 | She | >_< |
| 16:05.51 | {RN}Terra | lol |
| 16:06.15 | Anaral | If you're worried about missing updates, WoWInterface and Curse both will let you get email updates when the addon themselves are updated. |
| 16:06.47 | She | wowinterface, i had forgotten about that and curse i use, but only for about three addons I don't get from WoWAce or Cosmos |
| 16:06.54 | She | 'cause it tends to be behind on the ballgame |
| 16:06.55 | {RN}Terra | and both sites have thier own updaters that don't mess with other addons they don't know about |
| 16:07.12 | She | I'll look at WoWInterface, thanks |
| 16:07.32 | ckknight | She: I've been developing Cart3 solely on curseforge, though, so your statement doesn't hold up in all cases |
| 16:07.41 | She | true |
| 16:07.52 | Anaral | Other than WAU, I am not a fan of updaters. |
| 16:08.07 | She | <3 WAU, never messes up my addons |
| 16:08.11 | Anaral | WoWI and Curse are just too open ended. |
| 16:08.27 | She | how so? |
| 16:08.40 | Anaral | I think open ended is the wrong wording |
| 16:09.01 | Anaral | It's too public, maybe... I'm a paranoid lil druid. |
| 16:09.25 | {RN}Terra | hehe paranio is a contagious thing |
| 16:09.28 | She | considering half the time hunter's mistake you for pets and try to tame you, i'd be paranoid too... oh wait i am |
| 16:09.36 | {RN}Terra | bah can't spell |
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| 16:10.20 | Anaral | I realize anyone can use Ace too, but meh. I only get about 4 addons from WoWI and 2 from Curse, and other than one of those, they don't update often. |
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| 16:10.42 | She | hmm... i found some of the addons I use from curse on WoWI, but now comes the big trial and error on if they'll still be what I want /wrists |
| 16:11.01 | She | erm from cosmos i mean |
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| 16:11.58 | Anaral | Just compare release versions. I've found that Cosmos is sometimes an update or two off on the third party mods like Mobinfo2 with mobhealth and such. |
| 16:12.52 | She | WoWI is closer? or does Mobinfo2 have it's own website |
| 16:13.11 | She | I know i never get DBM from curse 'cause of that |
| 16:13.27 | Anaral | DBM does have it's own site. |
| 16:14.11 | She | ya, that's what what my butchered grammar was supposed to say |
| 16:14.33 | foxlit | Math is evil: http://pastey.net/90078 |
| 16:14.42 | foxlit | Wonder if there's something like the integer sequence database for functions |
| 16:15.25 | Anaral | And no, Mobhealth2 is one of the two I get from Curse. |
| 16:16.10 | She | I shall have to go back to doing that then |
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| 16:18.13 | ckknight | Anaral: what unit frames do you use? |
| 16:18.25 | Anaral | At the moment XPerl... |
| 16:19.01 | wereHamster | foxlit: f(n,x) = (...) / n! |
| 16:19.06 | Anaral | But if I could get one that showed me both the stack count of my spells without having the timer over it, I'd take it. |
| 16:19.52 | Anaral | Well and has an easyish gui to work with. |
| 16:20.10 | Anaral | ckknight: Why you ask? |
| 16:20.19 | ckknight | Anaral: cause you use MobHealth2 |
| 16:20.30 | ckknight | where there is both MobHealth3 and LibMobHealth-4.0 |
| 16:20.34 | ckknight | I wrote the 4.0 version |
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| 16:20.45 | ckknight | but I'm not sure XPerl supports it yet, haven't checked |
| 16:20.55 | Anaral | I use MobHealth2 because it's in with MobInfo. |
| 16:21.01 | ckknight | okay then |
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| 16:21.35 | Anaral | Actually I don't think I even use Mobhealth, except with the info Mobinfo uses in the tooltip. |
| 16:23.36 | She | i think you can turn off the timer of spells, but not stacking spells exclusivley, in xperl i mean |
| 16:23.54 | She | i know you can change when the timer shows up... |
| 16:24.01 | She | so it makes sense you could turn it off |
| 16:26.24 | She | ckknight what would updating mobhealth from 2 to your version do? |
| 16:26.44 | ckknight | well, you need to make sure the addon supports it, first |
| 16:26.51 | ckknight | but it has a better algorithm, mostly |
| 16:26.55 | ckknight | and is a bit more lightweight |
| 16:27.06 | She | so less memory usage and more accurate information, sounds good |
| 16:27.33 | Cide | no |
| 16:27.47 | Cide | do not assume that lightweight implies less memory usage |
| 16:27.52 | Cide | performance is related to cpu usage |
| 16:28.20 | ckknight | actually I was referring to both memory and cpu usage |
| 16:28.32 | Cide | I never said anything to contest that |
| 16:28.41 | ckknight | deep breaths, Cide |
| 16:28.44 | Cide | that's what She said (pun intended) |
| 16:28.44 | ckknight | :-P |
| 16:28.45 | She | well, i use the incorrect words, but it all works out in my head |
| 16:28.48 | ckknight | lol |
| 16:28.53 | Cide | don't worry |
| 16:28.56 | Cide | I'm in a great mood |
| 16:29.06 | She | now you know why i like this nickname so much |
| 16:29.40 | Cide | I'd get annoyed imo |
| 16:30.31 | She | usually people just get annoyed with me when i mistake their use of my name to be referring to me, that's why i also only use it where it can be quickly changed, like here |
| 16:30.31 | AckisWork | does luabot have wow api stuff in it? |
| 16:32.31 | Fisker- | http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?articleId=24660&rhtml=true <-hax btw |
| 16:32.31 | Anaral | She: I want the timer and the stack size to show. It's just hard to sometimes make out the stack number because the timer is full center over it. |
| 16:33.45 | She | ya, i can never tell how many lacerates i put on stuff 'cause of that :( |
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| 16:35.15 | Anaral | I want the timer because the 'clock' shadow isn't accurate enough and I want actual data... but I have found no way to make the timer goto the corner. |
| 16:35.19 | She | ackiswork: a search through google says no, but don't quote me on that |
| 16:35.51 | AckisWork | heh |
| 16:36.01 | Anaral | Why not just try it. |
| 16:36.11 | Anaral | Worst case it gives out an error. ;) |
| 16:36.22 | AckisWork | people will mock me for my foolishness |
| 16:36.32 | AckisWork | meh w/e I get mocked anyways |
| 16:36.37 | AckisWork | lua> return GetGameTime() |
| 16:36.37 | lua_bot_ | AckisWork: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'GetGameTime' (a nil value) |
| 16:36.38 | Anaral | Meh, just laugh at them |
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| 16:39.10 | Tenchworks | o_O? Blizzard Authenticator? |
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| 16:40.14 | malreth | i remember discussing that idea months ago on this channel |
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| 16:40.59 | Tenchworks | lol it's not even listed at thier store |
| 16:41.40 | foxlit | bundle it with wotlk, trojan industry killed |
| 16:42.08 | foxlit | well, unless they get good and write a full-fledged "all-your-goldz-are-belong-to-us" client |
| 16:42.13 | Tenchworks | yup then comes the OMG I LOST MY AUTENTICATOR! threads.... |
| 16:43.15 | malreth | i wonder if it will be a disconnected security token or if you have to plug it into a USB port |
| 16:43.41 | foxlit | Tench: master-password reset, request new one |
| 16:43.53 | Fisker- | Tenchworks it's not out yet |
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| 16:44.09 | foxlit | Point is, you can easily have a token-you-know override a token-you-have: you just shouldn't use it until you're absolutely possible you can't avoid it |
| 16:44.10 | Tenchworks | ahhh ok |
| 16:44.11 | Anaral | ckknight: What is the slash command to open c3's options? |
| 16:44.17 | Fisker- | think i'll buy one just to be part of game history |
| 16:44.18 | Fisker- | :P |
| 16:44.38 | Fisker- | first time i've heard about anything like this being applied to online games |
| 16:44.42 | ckknight | Anaral: press escape, Interface, Addons, Click Cartographer3 |
| 16:44.52 | foxlit | Is there a US version of the announcement? |
| 16:44.57 | foxlit | eu.blizzard.com seems to be... dead. |
| 16:45.14 | She | and yet the hordeon eu servers continues to flourish... |
| 16:45.17 | She | i need to move |
| 16:45.20 | foxlit | wereHamster: well spotted; now for the ... :) |
| 16:45.38 | foxlit | form seems obvious, coefficients, not so much |
| 16:45.47 | Anaral | Yeah, I forgot that... today has not been a good brain day for me. :/ |
| 16:45.50 | malreth | Fisker-: it's about time, too... stolen accounts happen just way too often with this game |
| 16:46.13 | Fisker- | well obviously |
| 16:46.17 | Fisker- | got 10 million accounts |
| 16:46.22 | She | lol |
| 16:46.30 | malreth | someone in our guild got hijacked right in the middle of a raid |
| 16:46.37 | ckknight | Anaral: I made a new ticket: http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/cartographer3/tickets/52-slash-commands/ |
| 16:46.38 | ckknight | :-P |
| 16:46.39 | malreth | happened about a month ago |
| 16:47.11 | malreth | he disappeared mid pull and then relogged as an alt |
| 16:47.22 | foxlit | "If you lose your Blizzard Authenticator, you will need to contact Blizzard Billing & Account Services for assistance. Our representatives will be able to assist you with regaining access to your account by verifying certain secure information with you as the registered accountholder." they so failed :) |
| 16:47.33 | malreth | the guild master had the presence of mind to kick him from the guild immediately before he emptied the vault |
| 16:48.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Link to this authenticator stuff? |
| 16:48.12 | malreth | well, it also helped that they guy was on Vent and was able to say that he wasn't able to log in anymore |
| 16:48.19 | foxlit | http://eu.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?articleId=28152 |
| 16:48.48 | ScytheBlade1 | "The Blizzard Authenticator will be first sold at the Worldwide Invitational 2008 in Paris, France at a price of 6 Euros." |
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| 16:49.15 | Tenchworks | hmmm |
| 16:49.31 | She | you have to BUY IT?!!? |
| 16:49.41 | Tenchworks | 6 bucks |
| 16:49.42 | She | they should GIVE it to us, for their lack of ability to PROTECT us |
| 16:49.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Whoo, you can link a single one to multiple accounts |
| 16:49.50 | She | more than that, the dollar is dropping |
| 16:49.52 | Fisker- | LOL |
| 16:49.58 | foxlit | ~10 bucks |
| 16:50.01 | wereHamster | foxlit: do you know the solution? |
| 16:50.08 | foxlit | wereHamster: no |
| 16:50.10 | Fisker- | She they don't lack the ability to protect you |
| 16:50.11 | malreth | it's a small price to pay for strong authentication |
| 16:50.16 | wereHamster | do you need the solution? |
| 16:50.20 | She | why do we need it then? |
| 16:50.22 | Fisker- | you are lacking the ability to secure your machine |
| 16:50.31 | Fisker- | Because you are failing to secure your machine |
| 16:50.38 | She | aha, so i am safe |
| 16:50.39 | foxlit | The thing is, |
| 16:50.39 | ScytheBlade1 | We have a US article too |
| 16:50.41 | ScytheBlade1 | http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?articleId=24660 |
| 16:50.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Where do I get a Blizzard Authenticator? |
| 16:50.52 | ScytheBlade1 | The Blizzard Authenticator can be purchased directly from the Blizzard Store for $6.50. |
| 16:50.53 | Fisker- | She as safe as you allow yourself to be |
| 16:50.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Bam. |
| 16:51.02 | foxlit | how long until someone releases malware that actively interferes with that process? |
| 16:51.04 | Tenchworks | heh I'm less worried about the security of my machine than I am about the machines on my network.... |
| 16:51.20 | She | antivirus, firewall, private network, don't download anything unless I've previously used it... |
| 16:51.24 | foxlit | If they're reading your password form memory, might as well write bogus digits into memory, blocking you from ever logging in |
| 16:51.31 | Beladona | there is always a way to stop malware, evne if you have to go to the extreme of reinstalling |
| 16:51.50 | foxlit | wereHamster: need, no; interested in, yes. |
| 16:52.19 | foxlit | I can generate regressions based on function output relatively well for my purposes, but the general approach to tackling that sort of problem is something I haven't seen before. |
| 16:52.26 | Cide | foxlit: you could easily do that BEFORE the authenticator as well |
| 16:52.33 | Cide | just automatically close the program, for example |
| 16:52.43 | foxlit | Yeah, but that's obvious |
| 16:53.00 | Cide | what's the difference though? |
| 16:53.10 | She | blizzard never does the obvious solution |
| 16:53.17 | Cide | which is? |
| 16:53.27 | malreth | She: yeah, i'm interested in this obvious solution |
| 16:53.32 | She | i have no idea, it's just a true statement i felt it needed to be said |
| 16:53.39 | foxlit | Your perception of the problem, generally |
| 16:53.39 | ScytheBlade1 | haha, the general forum is awesome |
| 16:53.41 | ScytheBlade1 | ' Hmmm this kinda intrigues me. But not for the security against the keyloggers, no. For the security of vengeful ex-g/f's who decide to go delete crazy with your account because they have the attitude: "You destroyed my heart, so I'm going to destroy yours."' |
| 16:53.51 | Cide | if it's a true statement, perhaps you'd like to back it up |
| 16:53.55 | foxlit | If you interfere with token entry, the user reaction is "this token is defective" |
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| 16:54.07 | She | I for one have not even given my fiance my account information |
| 16:54.20 | foxlit | If you interfere with anything else, the (competent, perhaps too big of an assumption) user reaction is "There's something not right here" |
| 16:54.40 | zenzelezz | and now for something completely different: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/06/26/funny-pictures-there-are-other-treez-bob/ |
| 16:54.41 | malreth | i'm curious how often the key changes... |
| 16:54.48 | Cide | malreth: every time |
| 16:54.58 | Cide | RTFFAQ |
| 16:55.07 | malreth | Cide: i needs to change as a factor of time, not just use |
| 16:55.07 | Cide | foxlit: /shrug |
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| 16:55.09 | foxlit | And trust it? |
| 16:55.18 | Cide | malreth: why? |
| 16:55.27 | foxlit | What if you press the thing a few thousand times in your pocket |
| 16:55.29 | ScytheBlade1 | malreth: every minute |
| 16:55.37 | She | it says there's only one |
| 16:55.39 | malreth | else a man in the middle attack could grab the code as you type it, and replay it on the attacker's machine |
| 16:55.42 | She | but now i want to buy one and test it out |
| 16:55.45 | foxlit | malreth: no |
| 16:55.46 | Tenchworks | i'm curious on how it generates the key, would they use a predetermined list or some formula that bases date and time and other random factors for the code? |
| 16:55.49 | cladhaire | it likely works EXACTLY the same as rsa fobs that have been out for years |
| 16:55.54 | cladhaire | Tenchworks: read up on RSA's |
| 16:55.54 | ScytheBlade1 | 12:55 <@cladhaire> it likely works EXACTLY the same as rsa fobs that have been out for years |
| 16:55.54 | Cide | malreth: true |
| 16:55.55 | cladhaire | its the same |
| 16:55.57 | ScytheBlade1 | This |
| 16:56.02 | cladhaire | this is nothing new |
| 16:56.02 | She | it reads your fingerprints XD |
| 16:56.05 | cladhaire | this is old technology |
| 16:56.14 | cladhaire | read the web people :P |
| 16:56.17 | Cide | and it works |
| 16:56.21 | ScytheBlade1 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_token#Time-synchronized_one-time_passwords |
| 16:56.24 | cladhaire | yep |
| 16:56.26 | cladhaire | it works quite well |
| 16:56.31 | cladhaire | most corporate VPNs use rsa tokens |
| 16:56.49 | cladhaire | cause 1.5 factor authentication is stupid. |
| 16:56.55 | cladhaire | 2 factor auth is actually good |
| 16:57.02 | foxlit | What's a half? |
| 16:57.09 | cladhaire | the bullshit the banking industry is pulling |
| 16:57.17 | cladhaire | 2 factor means something you have and something you know |
| 16:57.20 | cladhaire | HSBC USA has 1.5 |
| 16:57.23 | cladhaire | you have a password |
| 16:57.28 | cladhaire | then you have _another_ password that you can't type in |
| 16:57.49 | cladhaire | you have to click a keyboard on the screen |
| 16:57.49 | cladhaire | ~facepalm |
| 16:57.50 | purl | ACTION facepalms at the situation |
| 16:57.58 | malreth | cladhaire: i hate that, too |
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| 16:58.05 | foxlit | Why is that worth a .5? :) |
| 16:58.20 | cladhaire | cause i hate them |
| 16:58.34 | cladhaire | however |
| 16:58.34 | malreth | foxlit: because the non-typed password doesn't quite count as a "something that you have" |
| 16:58.36 | ScytheBlade1 | cladhaire: my bank is actually a lot smarter about it than that... you have to answer one of three randomly selected questions, and only once you correctly answer that does it show you a picture you selected and allow you to type in your password |
| 16:58.39 | Cide | more like 2 - .9999... |
| 16:58.41 | cladhaire | $6.95 concerns me |
| 16:58.42 | Cide | not quite 1, but almost. |
| 16:58.45 | cladhaire | ScytheBlade1: that's better.. but not 2 factor |
| 16:58.50 | Fisker- | omg $6.50 |
| 16:58.51 | cladhaire | 2 factor works |
| 16:58.52 | foxlit | malreth: the question is not why it doesn't count |
| 16:58.53 | cladhaire | brilliantly |
| 16:58.53 | ScytheBlade1 | cladhaire: yeah, better. That's all I'm saying |
| 16:58.57 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 16:58.59 | cladhaire | but like |
| 16:59.01 | foxlit | malreth: the question is why you'd assign any value to it at all |
| 16:59.02 | ANTRat | clicking a keyboard on the screen avoids hardware keyloggers |
| 16:59.05 | cladhaire | the hardware can't be that resilient for that amount of money |
| 16:59.07 | malreth | since it can be copied by capturing mouse clicks... or actually by replaying the javascript calls |
| 16:59.11 | foxlit | two passwords is still just 1 factor |
| 16:59.11 | cladhaire | unless they're not licensing from rsa |
| 16:59.23 | ScytheBlade1 | malreth: you can do click location based processing without javascript |
| 16:59.26 | malreth | foxlit: i guess 0.5 is arbitrary |
| 16:59.31 | Cide | yep |
| 16:59.38 | cladhaire | its a step in the right direction, for sure |
| 16:59.39 | Cide | 2 - .9999... is a better representation |
| 16:59.41 | ScytheBlade1 | malreth: coincidently it's also entirely trivial to sniff over the network ;) |
| 16:59.43 | *** join/#wowuidev Dashkal (n=dashkal@WoWUIDev/Nexus/dashkal) |
| 16:59.43 | Cide | not quite 1, but almost. |
| 16:59.50 | cladhaire | when the banking industry catches up with the fucking MMORPG industry |
| 16:59.54 | cladhaire | i'll... i'll.... do something. |
| 17:00.01 | ScytheBlade1 | It's funny because it's true |
| 17:00.06 | foxlit | Meet our new digital signature plans |
| 17:00.11 | foxlit | Guess who stores the private keys? |
| 17:00.26 | She | ermm... china? |
| 17:00.31 | She | is this a trick question |
| 17:00.33 | foxlit | ... a government agency. |
| 17:00.34 | malreth | foxlit: penguins! |
| 17:00.40 | cladhaire | penguins |
| 17:00.43 | Cide | the banks here use rsa tokens |
| 17:00.45 | malreth | penguins never tell secrets |
| 17:00.52 | She | opus is my favorite penguin |
| 17:00.58 | foxlit | they may well outsource to chinese penguins, though |
| 17:01.03 | malreth | they carry their knowledge to their ICY GRAVES |
| 17:01.09 | She | oooooooo |
| 17:01.18 | She | what about african penguins, they live on beaches |
| 17:01.19 | malreth | shit.. i'm late |
| 17:02.41 | She | anyone know about the combat caller addon |
| 17:03.30 | Cide | nou |
| 17:06.16 | foxlit | That last coefficient: http://www.research.att.com/~njas/sequences/A024167 |
| 17:09.20 | wereHamster | nice encyclopedia |
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| 17:22.14 | Zurik | Greetings earthlings. |
| 17:22.20 | Zurik | I need some help, http://pastey.net/90083 |
| 17:22.31 | Zurik | Why is member a nil value? |
| 17:22.42 | Cide | where? |
| 17:22.46 | Cide | you have several member variables |
| 17:22.52 | Cide | 'member' variables, that is |
| 17:23.10 | Zurik | yeah, but member is local where ever i'm setting it. |
| 17:23.12 | Cide | oh, didn't read the comment |
| 17:23.35 | Cide | I was saying that you were saying 'why is member nil', without telling us which member you were referring to |
| 17:23.39 | Cide | but I see your comment |
| 17:23.48 | Zurik | take note of line 13. |
| 17:23.54 | Cide | because |
| 17:24.03 | Zurik | wait.. exclude the member.Name |
| 17:24.06 | Cide | you're defining it as CoreFiveLFG:Foo |
| 17:24.12 | Zurik | it's suposed to be just member on line 13 |
| 17:24.12 | Cide | but you're calling it with CoreFiveLFG.Foo |
| 17:24.22 | Cide | this means that you're not passing in 'self' implicitly |
| 17:24.39 | Zurik | oh.. that's right.. let me try n fix that. |
| 17:24.39 | Cide | which means that the member.Name parameter becomes the self parameter of the function |
| 17:24.46 | Cide | if you did not understand what I just said, www.lua.org/pil |
| 17:24.55 | Zurik | i think i do. |
| 17:24.59 | Cide | good |
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| 17:26.17 | Zurik | yep.. that was it. |
| 17:26.34 | Zurik | oh what a simple ":" can do for your code lol |
| 17:26.35 | Cide | of course |
| 17:27.54 | wereHamster | also, you pass member.Name to the function, and in the function you do 'member.NAME', is that supposed to be like that? 'member.Name.NAME' |
| 17:28.23 | Cide | no |
| 17:28.27 | Cide | he stated he meant to just pass in member |
| 17:28.37 | Cide | but you're still right in that it should be member.Name and not NAME |
| 17:28.40 | wereHamster | pfft, who reads the backlog... |
| 17:28.41 | Cide | actually |
| 17:28.46 | Cide | he uses NAME in most other places |
| 17:28.55 | Cide | so he probably doubly fucked up when he wrote member.Name |
| 17:29.48 | Zurik | yeah i did. |
| 17:29.49 | Zurik | haha |
| 17:30.09 | Zurik | this code is just all doubly fucked up anyways.. haha.. rookie coding ftl |
| 17:30.34 | wereHamster | CoreFiveGUI vs CoreFIveGUI |
| 17:30.40 | wereHamster | Lua is case sensitive |
| 17:30.55 | Zurik | yeah.. i got that error just now! ROFL! and just fixed it. |
| 17:31.09 | Zurik | cost me another god damn reloadui! err! |
| 17:31.23 | Cide | don't blame the tool |
| 17:31.24 | Cide | blame the coder |
| 17:31.27 | Cide | oh wait, that's you |
| 17:31.30 | Zurik | haha |
| 17:31.43 | durcyn | I have the sudden urge to watch the opening scene of 2001. |
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| 17:31.50 | Cide | years behind |
| 17:31.57 | Zurik | you could of rhymed that.. don't blame the tool, blame the fool. |
| 17:31.58 | Zurik | haha |
| 17:32.06 | Cide | I could |
| 17:32.11 | Cide | and I would* |
| 17:32.19 | Cide | (see that rhyme? yeah.) |
| 17:32.22 | Zurik | haha.. |
| 17:32.40 | Legorol | <Cide> if you did not understand what I just said, www.lua.org/pil <= is it possible to understand what you say, Cide? |
| 17:32.48 | Cide | dunno |
| 17:32.56 | Cide | I like to think that I make myself understood |
| 17:33.00 | Cide | but who knows |
| 17:33.10 | Zurik | lawlz |
| 17:33.15 | Cide | I usually just say "www.lua.org/pil" and leave it at that |
| 17:33.22 | Cide | can't really misinterpret an url |
| 17:35.42 | AckisWork | where's cog? |
| 17:35.59 | AckisWork | there he is! |
| 17:36.13 | cog|work | where?!@ |
| 17:36.22 | AckisWork | cog|work: the command line lua thing you have, does it have built in blizzard api stuff? |
| 17:36.50 | cog|work | AckisWork: the readme tells you exactly what it has... but no |
| 17:36.54 | cog|work | that's not its purpose |
| 17:37.11 | cog|work | that's what wowbench is for... if it's ever updated :P |
| 17:37.44 | cog|work | ~poke Mikk |
| 17:37.44 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Mikk, pokes Mikk repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 17:37.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, cog just managed to code a working implimentation of the entire WoW API in his spare time. Frames, widgets, all of the events... |
| 17:37.57 | AckisWork | yah I know wowbench isn't updated |
| 17:37.57 | Cide | cog is pretty pro |
| 17:38.07 | ScytheBlade1 | So it would seem! |
| 17:39.06 | Dashkal | Hey, given cog's knowledge, I wouldn't be surprised if that was actually done :p |
| 17:39.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Dashkal: that's not the question, the question is his time and willingness ;) |
| 17:39.55 | Dashkal | Not to mention how much of a moving target it would be... |
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| 17:40.29 | Dashkal | not surprised should not be taken as not impressed, though. That would be one hell of an accomplishment |
| 17:40.35 | cog|work | was hard enough just DOCUMENTING the damn thing, and that was still a collaborative effort :P |
| 17:40.40 | Dashkal | :p |
| 17:40.44 | Cide | yeah |
| 17:40.45 | Cide | fuck that |
| 17:40.50 | Cide | and I'm sure I didn't do half as much as you guys |
| 17:41.16 | Cide | and heads out |
| 17:41.16 | Cide | bye |
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| 17:45.31 | Lunessa | WoWProgramming book is luv. |
| 17:47.11 | AckisWork | ^ |
| 17:47.11 | cog|work | SCOTUS 4tw |
| 17:47.28 | cog|work | sorry AckisWork didn't mean to misrepresent your ^ :P |
| 17:47.35 | AckisWork | lol |
| 17:47.36 | Dashkal | Columbia vs Heller? |
| 17:47.48 | cog|work | aye |
| 17:48.44 | Dashkal | I disagree with you on the issue of guns, but absolutely agree on how Scotus ruled there... Always a good thing when a court actually rules with the law instead of getting "creative" |
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| 17:56.55 | Zurik | any of you guys know how projects aquire enough interest for other developers to collaborativly develope? |
| 17:57.09 | Zurik | so that it's like an open source project? |
| 17:57.41 | cladhaire | That's the trick isn't it :P |
| 17:57.54 | Josh_Borke | ~lart Cladhaire |
| 17:57.54 | purl | stuffs Cladhaire into a shiny new tin can and vacuum seals it |
| 17:57.54 | cladhaire | it involves either having a project and changing it enough to be something different |
| 17:57.56 | Josh_Borke | hola :-D |
| 17:57.56 | Dashkal | Build something interesting to keeps |
| 17:57.58 | Dashkal | geeks* |
| 17:57.59 | nevcairiel | "how" ? just get a proper idea that alot of people can identify with, write it cleanly and properly so that people dont run away in fear when reading the source |
| 17:58.03 | cladhaire | or starting something and making it good to enough for people to want to use it |
| 17:58.11 | Zurik | i am building something interesting Dashkal. |
| 17:58.48 | Zurik | good god Nevcairiel, I'm a noob at lua.. i'm sure my code is ugly as fark. |
| 17:58.49 | Dashkal | My personal habit for getting involved is when I find myself wanting a feature that the author is amiable to but doesn't have time for |
| 17:59.39 | Zurik | well look at my project, do you think It could get the type of interest needed? http://wowcorefive.com |
| 17:59.50 | nevcairiel | I usually try to get involved in stuff that i would personally use and like, where the author is open to my suggestions and/or patches, and the code is written properly so you can actually get your hands in it |
| 18:00.15 | nevcairiel | didnt you charge for that? Alot of people dont like that =P |
| 18:00.34 | Zurik | I made an SVN for my addon, but i don't know how to get people involved. |
| 18:02.11 | cladhaire | you get people involved by having a project that people are vested in |
| 18:02.14 | cladhaire | that they use and want to alter |
| 18:02.21 | Zurik | actually, i've changed the model. |
| 18:02.25 | Zurik | were going to be addbased. |
| 18:02.30 | Zurik | ad based* |
| 18:02.36 | Zurik | so it's going to be free. |
| 18:02.37 | Dashkal | adding a PUG reputation system to the game? |
| 18:02.45 | Zurik | yep. |
| 18:03.07 | cladhaire | you should talk to Vika |
| 18:03.08 | Zurik | hey, if you wanna find good groups quickly this is the only way. |
| 18:03.10 | Zurik | lol |
| 18:03.11 | cladhaire | he wanted to do it quite some time ago |
| 18:03.19 | cladhaire | as long as people use it it is |
| 18:03.21 | cladhaire | if they don't. |
| 18:03.24 | cladhaire | its not useful :P |
| 18:03.28 | Zurik | this is true. |
| 18:03.29 | cladhaire | we should name that paradox |
| 18:03.32 | cladhaire | if its not named already |
| 18:03.35 | Zurik | haha |
| 18:03.47 | nevcairiel | Thats a type of addon that i would simply refuse to use, hah |
| 18:03.54 | Josh_Borke | wtf paradox |
| 18:03.57 | Josh_Borke | imo clad |
| 18:04.02 | Zurik | really Nev? |
| 18:04.17 | cladhaire | lets call it the meeting stone paradox |
| 18:04.21 | cladhaire | meeting stones are great |
| 18:04.21 | Dashkal | I'd avoid it myself. |
| 18:04.28 | cladhaire | but no one uses them |
| 18:04.32 | cladhaire | they always expect someone else to do that for them |
| 18:04.33 | cladhaire | no |
| 18:04.33 | MentalPower | cladhaire: its called critical mass |
| 18:04.36 | cladhaire | that's another kind of paradox |
| 18:04.49 | cladhaire | MentalPower: true |
| 18:04.49 | Dashkal | critical mass... that concept is my bane... |
| 18:04.54 | cladhaire | but i wanted a cool named paradox =( |
| 18:05.01 | Zurik | haha |
| 18:05.06 | Dashkal | Maybe I should rename Nexus Critical Mass :p |
| 18:05.26 | cladhaire | YOUR MOM HAS CRITICAL MASS |
| 18:05.29 | Zurik | haha |
| 18:06.02 | Zurik | Yeah, i understand you have to have a lot of people using this.. but honestly if you have enough money to advertise your going to get people that are using it no? |
| 18:07.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Throwing money at something isn't a guarantee of anything |
| 18:07.17 | cladhaire | nope |
| 18:07.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Other than you having less money very quickly |
| 18:07.20 | cladhaire | time is money |
| 18:07.27 | cladhaire | and its a much more valuable currency |
| 18:07.44 | cladhaire | thats why people pay for gold and get power leveled |
| 18:07.50 | cladhaire | because their time is worth more than the money they have |
| 18:08.09 | nevcairiel | truth |
| 18:08.10 | Zurik | well the system we built is designed for saving time :P |
| 18:08.11 | Zurik | haha |
| 18:08.13 | nevcairiel | i wish i could buy time |
| 18:08.22 | cladhaire | Zurik: perhaps when trying to find a group |
| 18:08.28 | cladhaire | btu more when they have to rate their group |
| 18:08.30 | wereHamster | nevcairiel: you do it every day |
| 18:08.32 | foxlit | stack overflow (table too big to unpack) |
| 18:08.34 | cladhaire | and the system needs seeding |
| 18:08.36 | foxlit | wonder what the actual limit is |
| 18:08.47 | nevcairiel | foxlit: you know what to do, now :) |
| 18:08.48 | Zurik | jeez .. rating takes 2 miniutes. |
| 18:08.57 | Zurik | talk about lazy |
| 18:08.59 | Zurik | lol |
| 18:09.19 | nevcairiel | wereHamster: i do? o.O |
| 18:09.21 | Zurik | and you can do it from the addon. |
| 18:09.22 | Zurik | haha |
| 18:09.33 | Zurik | so you don't even have to go to the site. |
| 18:10.01 | wereHamster | nevcairiel: instead of growing your food yourelf you buy it, thus save time |
| 18:10.02 | cladhaire | lua> for i=1,1e5 do t[#t] = i; if not pcall(function() return unpack(t) end) then error(i) end end) end end |
| 18:10.03 | lua_bot_ | cladhaire: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near ')' |
| 18:10.14 | foxlit | 2^15 |
| 18:10.26 | nevcairiel | wereHamster: that doesnt give me raw time to use, it only saves my time |
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| 18:11.12 | wereHamster | what is the difference between having raw time and having time saved? |
| 18:11.19 | foxlit | -2 |
| 18:11.23 | Shirik|AFK | malreth? |
| 18:11.27 | nevcairiel | obviously -2 |
| 18:11.42 | foxlit | -1 would be obvious |
| 18:12.06 | foxlit | So I take it one more depending on how deep you're in the stack to begin with? |
| 18:12.09 | wereHamster | -1 indicates an error |
| 18:12.11 | Zurik | where do you guys come up with this shit lol |
| 18:12.36 | Zurik | it's seriously comical. |
| 18:12.41 | foxlit | but yeah, obvious given return t[i], unpack(t, i+1) implementation |
| 18:13.00 | nevcairiel | a simple time-slowing-capsule or something, where i can sleep 6-8 hours in, and on the outside only 1 hour passes. that would save me so much time =P |
| 18:13.16 | foxlit | But you'd be dead at what normal age? :) |
| 18:13.27 | nevcairiel | what do i care |
| 18:13.27 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 18:13.40 | nevcairiel | only use in stressfull situations |
| 18:13.49 | nevcairiel | like, last full week <.< |
| 18:13.58 | foxlit | lua> 84 * 18/24; |
| 18:13.58 | lua_bot_ | foxlit: 63 |
| 18:14.07 | wereHamster | nevcairiel: don't sleep |
| 18:14.18 | foxlit | desc[y] = ("%x"):format(unpack(maze, 1+(y-1)*cols, y*cols-1)); |
| 18:14.25 | wereHamster | life is too short anyway |
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| 18:14.32 | nevcairiel | I cannot concentrate without sleep, and that doesnt help me either |
| 18:14.33 | Shirik | oops |
| 18:14.41 | foxlit | miseed a :rep(cols) in there |
| 18:14.51 | nevcairiel | Shirik killed lua_bot :( |
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| 18:14.55 | cladhaire | no he didn't. |
| 18:14.58 | Shirik | no that was totally not me |
| 18:15.01 | Shirik | I thought it was foxlit |
| 18:15.03 | cladhaire | i did |
| 18:15.06 | Shirik | oh |
| 18:15.06 | cladhaire | with control-c |
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| 18:15.10 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 18:15.11 | cladhaire | huzzah! |
| 18:15.13 | malreth | Shirik: yes? |
| 18:15.17 | foxlit | grats you! |
| 18:15.20 | Shirik | I dunno, you're the one who pinged me malreth |
| 18:15.27 | malreth | yes... |
| 18:15.47 | Shirik | _________________________________________________ |
| 18:15.48 | Shirik | (11:28:46) (malreth) i'll have Shirik|AFK do it for me |
| 18:15.48 | Shirik | [#WoWUIDev] - [26/06/2008] |
| 18:15.48 | Shirik | ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ |
| 18:15.51 | Shirik | do what >.> |
| 18:15.54 | Shirik | I'm too lazy to go back and look |
| 18:16.00 | malreth | i'm looking it up... one sec |
| 18:17.44 | malreth | Shirik: http://battle.net/images/ take that image, convert the binary to 8-bit decimal, then base64 decode it and see if it says anything in ascii |
| 18:18.04 | Shirik | wtf |
| 18:18.10 | Dashkal | you forgot the sudo... |
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| 18:18.13 | Zurik | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:18.21 | Shirik | ok I guess I can do that |
| 18:18.25 | Zurik | not that anyone cares.. but i was just thowing it out there lol. |
| 18:18.48 | malreth | whoa... serious? i figured you'd kick me or something... |
| 18:18.54 | Shirik | I'm bored |
| 18:19.11 | Hapnintwo | bye |
| 18:20.58 | cladhaire | there we go |
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| 18:25.25 | Fisker- | show me teh way Shirik ;_; |
| 18:30.08 | Shirik | k maler |
| 18:30.11 | Shirik | malreth |
| 18:30.20 | malreth | random junk? |
| 18:30.23 | Shirik | I'll PM it to you so as not to spam the channel |
| 18:30.47 | malreth | hmm... yeah... |
| 18:31.39 | Lunessa | Sapm, spam, spam, spam! Loverly Spam! Wonderful Spam! |
| 18:31.56 | malreth | i don't like spam |
| 18:32.17 | malreth | thanks, Shirik |
| 18:33.15 | Shirik | you don't think it has a meaning? |
| 18:33.23 | Shirik | I do, I just don't think the ASCII equivalent has a meaning |
| 18:33.29 | Lunessa | Actually, both the meat product and the e-mail version suck ass. |
| 18:33.41 | malreth | Shirik: that's possible |
| 18:33.46 | Shirik | why would you pick random numbers? |
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| 18:34.48 | Shirik | specifically why would the numbers be different in the "completely black" part |
| 18:35.12 | Lunessa | brb.. moving this machine. |
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| 18:48.54 | Zurik | where is that link to the lua reference? |
| 18:49.07 | Zurik | i forget how to do a damn or statement in an If |
| 18:49.09 | Sixen | www.wowprogramming.com ? |
| 18:49.20 | Zurik | no it's something /pil |
| 18:49.25 | Thunder_Child | ~pil |
| 18:49.26 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 18:49.30 | Zurik | there it is. |
| 18:49.31 | Zurik | thanks |
| 18:49.38 | Thunder_Child | welcome |
| 18:51.08 | Sixen | Oh cool |
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| 18:56.52 | Lunessa | ... STATION! |
| 18:57.29 | Zurik | how do i "Dump" a table to a debug output? |
| 18:57.34 | Lukian | HOT STATION? |
| 18:57.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Zurik: you install DevTools and use /dump |
| 18:57.50 | ScytheBlade1 | ~devtools |
| 18:57.50 | purl | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? |
| 18:58.03 | cog|work | DevTools is <333 |
| 18:58.26 | Kirov | STATION! - http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i101/augustine1014/station.jpg |
| 18:58.27 | Lunessa | So money. |
| 18:58.45 | Lunessa | Kirov: You're so money, g! |
| 18:58.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Or, if your table is HUGE, you can just write a small addon that has one saved variable |
| 18:58.52 | ScytheBlade1 | And copy your table into that and reload |
| 18:59.13 | NightHawkTheSane | "The operation could not be completed, there is not enough space on the disk." >< wtb non-craptacular dev machines. |
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| 19:11.05 | Lunessa | wtb users who don't fill their HD with MP3s and videos they copied of YouTube. |
| 19:11.26 | ckknight | Lunessa: that'd be expensive, there's a scarcity of those users |
| 19:12.05 | Thunder_Child | i never touch youtube crap...the quality is to low |
| 19:12.13 | Kirov | Lunessa - why buy the users them when you could just find some online for free? |
| 19:12.14 | Kirov | ;) |
| 19:12.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: I don't >< 13gb database files ftl. |
| 19:12.50 | Lunessa | ckknight: OK, I'll amend my request: WTB severe beatings for users who load up their machines in the office with non-work MP3's and YouTube videos and then complain they don't have room for work files. |
| 19:13.06 | ckknight | hrm |
| 19:13.22 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: I feel your pain. 13gb files are the suck. |
| 19:13.27 | Arrowmaster | i thought the solution to that was to fire them |
| 19:13.38 | Dashkal | Lunessa: ewww, beat them down with a big stick |
| 19:13.43 | ZealotOnAStick | See, I'd just stealth delete things, and tell them "Try again, it looks to me like you should have enough room." |
| 19:13.46 | malreth | Lunessa: ZOMG have you heard the new Coldplay album? It's on my laptop. I'll e-mail it to you. |
| 19:14.02 | Beladona | WTB users who at least use their own machine's hard drive to store said files, since work related files go on server drive shares anyway |
| 19:14.04 | Lunessa | malreth: Woot! My inbox will assplode! |
| 19:14.50 | Beladona | WTB addon to said suers that makes them know the difference between network storage and local storage... |
| 19:15.36 | Lunessa | Beladona: Ditto. |
| 19:15.51 | Kirov | My machine here at work has a 300gigs HD, I was down to about 10gigs and had to do some spring cleaning. Spring cleaning consisted of deleting 200g of content from the last project I was working on. |
| 19:16.05 | Kirov | Now it's filled with the 200g from the new project. |
| 19:16.38 | Beladona | I especially liked the one time, when I found our a user had copied the entirety of a client work directory to their local drive, and done their work there |
| 19:16.51 | Beladona | and then they left the company |
| 19:17.00 | Beladona | and I got to do differential compares to see what was newer |
| 19:17.15 | Hirsute | Question: I've created a frame in one of the lua files associated with an addon with this code: local myFrame = CreateFrame("Frame"). As I've declared myFrame as local, does that mean I won't be able to use it to open and close the frame from a different lua file? |
| 19:17.16 | Kirov | ooo, fun |
| 19:17.33 | Kirov | multi gig file comparisons = fun! |
| 19:17.44 | Beladona | took a couple days |
| 19:18.08 | NightHawkTheSane | Kirov: .. 300gb? >< the laptop i have for my sole dev machine has a 60gb hd. |
| 19:18.11 | Kirov | I always love it when I use merge software that complains the files I'm using are too big to compare. |
| 19:18.11 | Beladona | and now I have it set up so when they attempt to copy from a network share to their local machine, it warns them |
| 19:18.24 | malreth | Hirsute: having a global accessible reference to it somewhere would make it easier |
| 19:18.48 | malreth | such as it being a child of a frame that was globally accessible |
| 19:19.07 | Hirsute | Hrmm. Good to know |
| 19:19.08 | Kirov | NightHawkTheSane - Yeah, but then I copy 100 gigs of files on to my computer every day. |
| 19:20.03 | Kirov | Most people in the office have machines with at least 500 gigs, if not terabyte storage. |
| 19:20.26 | Beladona | Hirsute: if you already have a global table for your addon, you could just add it as a child |
| 19:20.48 | Beladona | like MyAddonGlobal.frame = myFrame |
| 19:20.56 | Kirov | I also switch between multiple projects, which means deleteing half my harddrive and copying another 200 gigs on my machine again, sometimes several times a day. |
| 19:21.06 | Kirov | fun times. |
| 19:21.19 | Hirsute | Beladona: Thanks, I think that will do what I want. Woo-hoo |
| 19:21.25 | Kirov | (it's why I'm in here so often, not much to do when copying several gigs of files) |
| 19:21.34 | End | heh, they make so many WoW jokes in the PA D&D podcast |
| 19:21.36 | Beladona | Kirov: that is why I can't wait for Windows 7 to support cirtual drives natively |
| 19:21.38 | ZealotOnAStick | Kirov, where do you work? |
| 19:21.40 | Beladona | virtual* |
| 19:21.52 | Beladona | mounting a virtual file system will be hawt |
| 19:22.12 | Kirov | meh |
| 19:22.27 | Kirov | virtual files won't help me much. |
| 19:22.59 | Kirov | I often have to make local edits to a large portion of those files, and I can't effect the main, so it has to be copies. |
| 19:23.23 | Kirov | ZealotOnAStick - I work for a video game company. |
| 19:23.50 | NightHawkTheSane | on an unrelated note, devs who don't merge changes between trunk/branch immediately when they commit make me homicidal |
| 19:24.30 | ckknight | NightHawkTheSane: depends if there's a form of merge tracking available |
| 19:25.46 | NightHawkTheSane | ckknight: we don't have anything, really, which is why its so painful when someone forgets. weeks/months later, mysterious bugs crop up in trunk that were fixed long ago in branch. Or idiotic conflicts occur when merging later changes. |
| 19:26.04 | ckknight | ah |
| 19:26.11 | ckknight | what do you use? |
| 19:26.21 | NightHawkTheSane | just svn |
| 19:26.44 | ckknight | okay |
| 19:26.49 | ckknight | well, at least svn 1.5 has merge tracking |
| 19:26.51 | Arrowmaster | thats the reason |
| 19:26.58 | Arrowmaster | nobody likes branching and merging in svn |
| 19:27.02 | ckknight | I've grown quite fond of git, though |
| 19:27.14 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: doesn't matter if they like it or not, they need to do it. |
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| 19:54.22 | Thunder_Child | ~scream |
| 19:54.23 | purl | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh!!! |
| 19:55.04 | malreth | purl, love me |
| 19:55.04 | purl | If you love malreth so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
| 19:55.15 | malreth | i think i will |
| 19:55.37 | Lunessa | malreth: the practice of self-love is frowned upon in public settings. |
| 19:55.46 | malreth | it's legal now, so why not? |
| 19:56.25 | Lunessa | This is Texas son. |
| 19:57.02 | |Jelly| | link imo |
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| 19:58.24 | ckknight | anyone know what position team members are? |
| 19:58.34 | ckknight | people on the battlefield not in your party or raid |
| 19:58.37 | ckknight | where would this occur? |
| 19:59.19 | Arrowmaster | i dont think thats possible without some kinda bug |
| 19:59.29 | Fisker- | HALP |
| 19:59.31 | Fisker- | can't play |
| 19:59.43 | Fisker- | 552 ms 551 ms 552 ms kbn-b1-link.telia.net [213.248.66.113 |
| 19:59.48 | Fisker- | I DON'T LIKE WHERE THIS TRACEROUTE IS GOING |
| 19:59.59 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: there's a blizzard API function |
| 20:00.03 | ckknight | I'm gonna ignore it for now, I think |
| 20:03.47 | Hirsute | I can't AuctionFrame:SecureHook("OnShow"........) until the Blizz_AuctionUI has loaded and the AuctionFrame built, can I? |
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| 20:04.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Nope |
| 20:04.04 | Thunder_Child | malreth, wait, getting married to ones self is leagal? |
| 20:04.11 | ScytheBlade1 | You have to register for ADDON_LOADED and then hook it |
| 20:04.20 | malreth | Thunder_Child: not only is it legal, it's encouraged... |
| 20:04.33 | Hirsute | That's what I though. At least that won't be a difficult thin to do. |
| 20:04.34 | malreth | you can thank the liberal californians for that one |
| 20:04.42 | foxlit | It's HookScript, not SecureHook |
| 20:04.48 | Thunder_Child | well, i'm a non-liberal cali |
| 20:04.53 | Thunder_Child | but i dont remeber that one |
| 20:05.05 | malreth | Thunder_Child: good on you. there is hope yet for this country |
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| 20:05.42 | malreth | soon we will rise up and take back this country from the tyrannical rule of the oppressive left regime |
| 20:07.57 | Lunessa | Will we get to use guns? |
| 20:08.29 | malreth | yes... Jesus guns |
| 20:08.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: no |
| 20:08.45 | malreth | they only shoot bread wafers, tho |
| 20:08.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: rocket launchers |
| 20:09.39 | Lunessa | Sweet. I want to be a Master of the Matzo ! Just like the Blues Brothers! |
| 20:14.42 | Hirsute | Lots of stupid lua questions from me today: Is lua like perl in that a "return some-thing-to-return-here" in a function stops execution of the function? |
| 20:14.56 | Thunder_Child | Master of the large unlevened bread? ...geze Lunessa, live a little |
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| 20:15.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Hirsute: yes |
| 20:15.42 | Lunessa | A friend of mine, a pastry chef who happened to be Jewish used to say, "It's been 2000 years. Let the fucking bread rise." |
| 20:16.11 | Thunder_Child | yes, but then there would be nothing to torture jews on passover with |
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| 20:17.42 | Hirsute | Hrmm. To store a reference to a function, foo() in bar(), would it be "local bar = foo()"? |
| 20:18.11 | Kirov | foo |
| 20:18.16 | Kirov | w/o () |
| 20:18.27 | malreth | foo refers to the function object itself |
| 20:18.37 | malreth | foo() calls the function and returns its value |
| 20:18.42 | Hirsute | Okay, doing local bar=foo() would store the result of executing foo()? Okay |
| 20:18.48 | malreth | correct |
| 20:18.52 | Hirsute | Thanks |
| 20:19.07 | malreth | now you're a Lua Hero |
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| 20:20.04 | Hirsute | A Lua Hero, eh? |
| 20:20.22 | Thunder_Child | try not to listen to malreth, it's just going to hurt your head |
| 20:20.42 | cog|work | "Sitting at his desk" "with his head hung low" "writing a mod" "to measure his aggro" |
| 20:20.46 | malreth | build up your "closure power" and unleash a wicked coroutine solo |
| 20:20.55 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work: ............. |
| 20:21.09 | cog|work | He was a LU A Hero! Got Code in his eyes! |
| 20:21.23 | Thunder_Child | what you dont know, is that cog|work, has had that sitting around waiting to be said for AGES |
| 20:21.42 | malreth | that's the difference between cog and i |
| 20:21.48 | cog|work | NO U |
| 20:22.00 | malreth | i just say things immediately even if they have no relevance to the current conversation |
| 20:22.14 | malreth | birdbaths are cool |
| 20:22.52 | Kirov | help, help, I'm being repressed! |
| 20:23.54 | Lunessa | cog|work: And that one line of code / Felt good in his hands! / But he didn't comment / so QA couldn't understand! |
| 20:24.17 | cog|work | He's gotta keep coding! |
| 20:24.20 | cog|work | Just can't stop! |
| 20:24.24 | Lunessa | He aini't never gonna stop! |
| 20:24.25 | cog|work | Gotta keep on coding! |
| 20:24.39 | Lunessa | His AddOn has to be on TOP~! |
| 20:24.53 | Tekkub | I think I'm gonna puke |
| 20:25.00 | ScytheBlade1 | (I'm not sure if this will be an epic moment in channel history, or an infamous one - but I'm too scared to ask them to stop) |
| 20:25.15 | Lunessa | He's a LUA HERO! |
| 20:25.17 | cog|work | Tekkub: at least it wasn't Bohemian (sp?) Rhapsody (sp?) |
| 20:25.17 | batbot | cog|work, Bohemian is correct. |
| 20:25.36 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, a sad moment |
| 20:25.42 | Tekkub | He will not get the Dew! *get the Dew* |
| 20:25.58 | cog|work | speaking of which... |
| 20:26.02 | Lunessa | I see a little snippet of code; got a bug, got a bug, did you do a re-view? |
| 20:26.28 | Tekkub | I still need to try the other two |
| 20:26.35 | Tekkub | the blueberry one was nasty |
| 20:26.45 | cog|work | hellz yeah... voltage 4tw! |
| 20:26.54 | Kirov | Livewire == awesometastic |
| 20:27.00 | cog|work | ^^ truth |
| 20:27.14 | cog|work | they didn't have it around here the last two summers :( |
| 20:27.18 | Tekkub | I've never cared for their flavors much... original piss for me! |
| 20:27.24 | cog|work | we ended up finding some expired bottles in a video store |
| 20:27.25 | Kirov | Livewire > "vanilla" (regular) > codered |
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| 20:28.09 | Kirov | I don't understand why they have code red year round, but not live wire |
| 20:29.16 | Lunessa | Codered tastes like peanut oil. |
| 20:29.36 | cog|work | brominated peanut oil perhaps? |
| 20:30.09 | Tekkub | because CR was really successful |
| 20:30.17 | Tekkub | LW they're still not sure about |
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| 20:30.51 | Lunessa | cog|work: Whatever they did to it, I don't want to drink a soda and feel like my mouth was used to deep fat fry something. |
| 20:30.58 | cog|work | not that i have anything against going to taco bell |
| 20:31.36 | bleetah | oh joy, so I go to the Blizz Store to check out the new authenticator thing, and the store insists I don't have JS enabled therefore I should go diaf :( |
| 20:31.37 | Lunessa | I do. I get the gnarliest heart-burn every time I eat there. |
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| 20:31.48 | Hirsute | Does lua_bot respond to whispers? |
| 20:32.16 | Tekkub | okey that was too cute... Rommie's walking in the room just as a toss a can at the trash... it hits my desk and bounces over the trash, she stops and gives me this "what the fuck?" look |
| 20:32.30 | Tekkub | I toss another can, hits desk again, she goes chasing after it |
| 20:33.51 | malreth | I miss Guest088 |
| 20:33.54 | bleetah | hmm, doesn't work on Win32 FF either :( /slap sotre |
| 20:34.53 | Hirsute | What doesn't work on Win32 FF? |
| 20:35.02 | bleetah | FF3 |
| 20:35.04 | bleetah | http://www.blizzard.com/store |
| 20:35.18 | Hirsute | Aaah. |
| 20:35.19 | malreth | ah... it works great in safari |
| 20:35.23 | bleetah | I wanted to check out the new Blizz Authenticator http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?articleId=24660 |
| 20:35.40 | Hirsute | Which is odd, because I've had so many problems with Safari and JavaScript... |
| 20:35.42 | bleetah | yay for session passwords |
| 20:36.04 | malreth | bleetah: do you have NoScript installed or something? |
| 20:36.31 | Hirsute | I was going to say, the site is working fine for me in FF3 on Win32 |
| 20:36.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup same |
| 20:37.22 | bleetah | installed, but allowing blizzard.com through. also, disabling produces similar results /shrug maybe some cookie thing somewhere |
| 20:37.53 | malreth | besides, it's not available for purchase |
| 20:38.35 | malreth | not yet, i don't think |
| 20:38.44 | malreth | i couldn't find it in the store earlier |
| 20:39.12 | malreth | i think i'll have to buy two of them... sharing one between my fiancee and i would be annoying |
| 20:40.03 | Hirsute | Could you do that? Register one authenticator to multiple accounts? |
| 20:40.12 | malreth | yep |
| 20:40.16 | Hirsute | Ah, cool |
| 20:40.26 | bleetah | omg someone read the FAQ? lol |
| 20:40.38 | malreth | that way if you two-box you only need 1 fob |
| 20:40.47 | Hirsute | I started to, but wasn't particularly interested in it, so I stopped. *shrug* |
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| 20:41.35 | bleetah | wonder if they'll include it by default with WotLK packs |
| 20:41.51 | Tekkub | it's a great idea for those people out there that can't lock down their computers |
| 20:42.12 | bleetah | or people who genuinely move around a lot and rely on untrusted comps |
| 20:42.20 | Tekkub | I suspect theses are the same people that use condoms yet still breed |
| 20:42.25 | bleetah | bah that's what you just said isn't it oops |
| 20:42.47 | Hirsute | Oh, definitely, I can see the utility of it for some people. I'd be one of those people who was always losing it, though. |
| 20:42.50 | bleetah | i still think people should be licensed to get on the intartoobz |
| 20:42.59 | Tekkub | well I meant lock down their own comps, I would never do things like WoW on a computer I didn't have control over |
| 20:43.29 | Tekkub | lawl, kitty sneezes are the cutest thing ever |
| 20:43.37 | Dashkal | ^^^ |
| 20:43.41 | Thunder_Child | ~vomit |
| 20:43.42 | purl | ACTION vomits on thunder_child |
| 20:43.42 | bleetah | qft |
| 20:43.44 | Fisker- | http://www.steampowered.com/v/index.php?area=sub&SubId=829 <-lo |
| 20:43.45 | Fisker- | lol |
| 20:43.47 | Thunder_Child | err... |
| 20:43.49 | Thunder_Child | damit |
| 20:43.56 | Hirsute | People do at my university all the time. I can't tell you how often I've seen people walk into the computer labs and plug in a portable HDD or their iPod and launch WoW off of that, playing away in the back corner of the lab next to the porn-fiends until someone complains and they get booted. |
| 20:44.20 | Fisker- | Thunder_Child |
| 20:44.23 | Fisker- | i am destroying you |
| 20:44.32 | Thunder_Child | only by talking Fisker- |
| 20:44.36 | Hirsute | ~roulette |
| 20:44.36 | purl | ACTION watches hirsute pull the trigger: Click! |
| 20:44.36 | Dashkal | My school had games running 24/7 in the public labs too. They'd get wiped every weekend and be back on by monday at 5 |
| 20:44.52 | Dashkal | The private labs didn't get wiped ^.^ |
| 20:44.55 | Fisker- | indeed Thunder_Child |
| 20:45.04 | Hirsute | On our computers they got wiped every night, that's why students brought stuff in on portable HDDs. |
| 20:45.20 | Dashkal | ghosting nightly? That must have been murder on the HDDs themselves... |
| 20:45.22 | bleetah | if I were LANning each weekend at some big venue, heck even just a net cafe, i'd get an authenticator |
| 20:45.41 | Hirsute | Heck, I even watched someone play WoW off a thumb drive in the earlier days when WoW only took up 4 gigs or so. |
| 20:46.01 | Hirsute | Dashkal: You'd think, but the HDDs seldom failed, and we had a 3-year replacement cycle, with the machines always being on. |
| 20:46.07 | Dashkal | nice |
| 20:46.18 | Dashkal | any idea what brand they bought? I might need to look into that for myself |
| 20:46.29 | foxlit | Hm, Russian realms are a new continent, apparently |
| 20:46.46 | Hirsute | They had a local supplier who would build the machines for them, actually |
| 20:46.46 | Dashkal | figures |
| 20:48.04 | Hirsute | The guys who ordered the machines were gamers, too, so they'd get the best gaming configurations they could on the budget the had, and then we in the labs would have to constantly kick game-playing students off the machines. |
| 20:49.50 | Lunessa | I keep WoW on a portable 80gb HDD. |
| 20:50.24 | Tekkub | yea, the labs were something I avoided like the Plaque back in school |
| 20:50.38 | Dashkal | Hirsute: lol, nice. Seems kind of self-defeating |
| 20:50.54 | Dashkal | Plaque is a nasty nasty thing... |
| 20:50.59 | Lunessa | plaque? don't you mean plague? |
| 20:52.06 | malreth | Dashkal: in my labs, i have the computers rebuild completely after each user |
| 20:52.16 | Hirsute | Dashkal: Well, the people who built the machines didn't have to deal with the rules in the labs, and they liked to have after-hours LAN parties in there, so they didn't much care if we had to argue with students about gaming. |
| 20:52.39 | Dashkal | malreth: call be crazy, but if you need to do a rebuild after each user that might sound like a failure to properly lock the thing down |
| 20:52.49 | malreth | Dashkal: on the contrary |
| 20:52.51 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, didnt you know, Tekkub is a dentist |
| 20:53.10 | malreth | lab users log in as full administrators |
| 20:53.17 | Tekkub | actually I hate destists, havn't been in about 7 years |
| 20:53.19 | malreth | they can do whatever they want while logged in |
| 20:53.27 | Hirsute | They're waiting on a system in our labs to do that, too, but it's still got some major problems dealing with the registry. It isn't really a wipe, with this system, though, they just create a virtual environment for the user that's lost when they log out. |
| 20:53.28 | Lunessa | VM for the WIN |
| 20:53.29 | Dashkal | Please say there was a reason for that... |
| 20:53.34 | malreth | when they log out, the machine is completely restored to the way it was when the got it |
| 20:53.43 | malreth | Dashkal: flexibility |
| 20:53.46 | Dashkal | O.o |
| 20:54.01 | Hirsute | Altiris Protect is the product we're waitin on, it'll be nice when it works. |
| 20:54.06 | malreth | if a class needs a particular app installed for something, they don't have to wait for me to install it, test it, then deploy |
| 20:54.07 | Dashkal | I could see that working if it was actually a vmware vm set to restore on shutdown |
| 20:54.13 | Hirsute | malreth: You guys like your users more than we like ours. |
| 20:54.33 | Dashkal | but having to wait for a restore cycle after the previous class used a lab... |
| 20:54.47 | malreth | it only takes about 3 to 4 minutes to restore, tops |
| 20:54.58 | Dashkal | kk, something in this puzzle I'm not seing |
| 20:55.04 | Hirsute | malreth: What are you using to do it? |
| 20:55.12 | Dashkal | 3-4 minute restore means you have something nifty working under the hood... |
| 20:55.34 | malreth | Hirsute: PCRdist... old unsupported product that still works for what we need it for |
| 20:55.56 | malreth | it indexes the drive on execution and compares against a master mirror kept on a central server |
| 20:55.59 | Hirsute | That's what we're using now, but it takes about 30 minutes per restore for us. Of course, we have a 160 GB base image too. |
| 20:56.01 | Lunessa | malreth: I hope your other upgrade project gets approved. |
| 20:56.13 | malreth | then restores the computer to a known state |
| 20:56.43 | malreth | Hirsute: it shouldn't take that long to run... the only things that need to be transferred are the files that have changed |
| 20:56.55 | malreth | then again... a 160gb base image? |
| 20:56.55 | foxlit | grr, wwi language |
| 20:57.04 | foxlit | "you will be required to bring a printout of the confirmation email and barcode" |
| 20:57.09 | Dashkal | that's a pretty solution, malreth |
| 20:57.15 | malreth | for our Mac labs, we use Radmind which works similarly |
| 20:57.20 | foxlit | wonder if that is (confirmation email and barcode) or (confirmation email) and (barcode) |
| 20:57.30 | Hirsute | I won't argue with you, malreth, but I'm not the one who set it up, so I'm not sure what they might have done. We use Radmind on our mac labs as well. |
| 20:57.35 | Dashkal | s/ty so/ty cool so/ |
| 20:58.06 | malreth | the cool thing about it is when we need to make changes to a lab |
| 20:58.18 | Hirsute | Radmind is slick that way, particularly |
| 20:58.25 | malreth | i just take one of the computers, make changes, and then push that up as the new mirror |
| 20:58.43 | malreth | as lab users log out, they automagically get the changes as they compare against the mirror |
| 20:58.59 | malreth | I can push out OS updates in the middle of the day that way |
| 20:59.27 | malreth | or change browser bookmarks at a professor's whim on a day by day basis (grr...) |
| 21:00.40 | malreth | Hirsute: people always badmouth Radmind at conferences and presentations that i go to ("sure, use radmind if you can understand it") but i love it |
| 21:01.11 | Tekkub | o/~ starin at your boooooOOOOOooooobs o/~ |
| 21:01.15 | Hirsute | malreth: Yeah, it's slick, the Mac administration is really really easy and flexible because of it. |
| 21:01.20 | Tekkub | 2467. Regina Spektor - [Begin to Hope #08] 20 Years of Snow |
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| 21:02.28 | Fisker- | holy shit |
| 21:02.36 | Fisker- | in A.D 2001 war was beginning |
| 21:02.37 | Fisker- | http://lian-li.com/v2/tw/product/upload/image/x2000/x2000f001.jpg |
| 21:02.38 | Fisker- | >:O |
| 21:02.54 | Hirsute | "Somebody set up us the bomb!!!" |
| 21:03.06 | Tekkub | no just listening to Regina Spektor |
| 21:03.14 | Cairenn | Tekkub: ah |
| 21:03.15 | Fisker- | it's one mofo case |
| 21:03.31 | Thunder_Child | old news Fisker- |
| 21:03.32 | Tekkub | Fisker-, I'd name mine Lith |
| 21:03.41 | Fisker- | your mother Thunder_Child :( |
| 21:03.49 | Thunder_Child | indeed |
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| 21:07.02 | Fisker- | omg Thunder_Child |
| 21:07.04 | Fisker- | Protection Kit on Sharp corner |
| 21:07.07 | Fisker- | :D? |
| 21:07.11 | Fisker- | engrish = win |
| 21:08.46 | Fisker- | i wonder how you can have a server-grade graphics card holder |
| 21:09.01 | Thunder_Child | i think i'll stick with my case, it has the same internal volume |
| 21:09.04 | Fisker- | In my experience you don't usually have 3xGTX 280's in a 1U rack server |
| 21:09.11 | Thunder_Child | shorter but much longer |
| 21:14.09 | ckknight | short and long are antonyms |
| 21:15.22 | Thunder_Child | right....they are not supposed to be the same... |
| 21:17.20 | NightHawkTheSane | ckknight: only if used in the same context, if we're talking short/long vs short/tall, then it could clearly long & short at the same time. |
| 21:17.46 | ckknight | I suppose |
| 21:19.01 | Thunder_Child | ty NightHawkTheSane, it made sense in my head |
| 21:21.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: i'm sure LOTS of things do. |
| 21:25.29 | bleetah | teh website is down!!! http://www.thewebsiteisdown.com/salesguy.html |
| 21:30.51 | Shirik | lol bleetah |
| 21:31.04 | Shirik | "Well I can't get to the homepage anymore" |
| 21:32.51 | Shirik | lol "I didn't get the email" |
| 21:36.35 | Shirik | omg bleetah I <3 you now |
| 21:37.09 | bleetah | glad you like, Shirik |
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| 21:48.50 | batrick | Shirik: ping |
| 21:49.08 | Shirik | batrick: NACK, RST |
| 21:49.22 | batrick | http://wowi.pastey.net/90091 |
| 21:49.23 | malreth | http://eu.blizzard.com/wwi08/_images/photos/wwi08_034.jpg |
| 21:49.41 | malreth | WTG Blizzard... Selling us out to the Chinese! |
| 21:49.54 | Shirik | what the hell |
| 21:49.59 | AlexanderYoshi | Grats |
| 21:50.10 | AlexanderYoshi | You will all need to buy this device to use the urinals in the future |
| 21:50.13 | AlexanderYoshi | i recommend you get one town |
| 21:50.15 | AlexanderYoshi | *now |
| 21:50.21 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:50.27 | malreth | yes, i'll pay fifty dollars for one |
| 21:50.31 | batrick | Shirik: is that now amazing? |
| 21:50.32 | ScytheBlade1 | malreth: $6.50 |
| 21:50.34 | batrick | not* |
| 21:50.39 | ScytheBlade1 | malreth: smal price to use the urinals |
| 21:50.41 | ScytheBlade1 | *small |
| 21:50.56 | malreth | ScytheBlade1: i'll pay fifty dollars if it comes with an ethiopian |
| 21:51.09 | batrick | I got access to the _LOADED table in the registry for the live lua demo using that :) |
| 21:51.16 | Shirik | does that actually work? |
| 21:51.18 | Shirik | wow |
| 21:51.22 | foxlit | http://www.pastey.net/90092 |
| 21:51.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: yes, that's real |
| 21:51.24 | foxlit | magic? |
| 21:51.42 | ScytheBlade1 | (unless you mean the pastey that I haven't looked at) |
| 21:51.48 | Shirik | the pastey |
| 21:51.48 | Shirik | :P |
| 21:52.27 | Shirik | it relies on access to debug.getlocal obviously |
| 21:52.33 | Shirik | so cladhaire/cide are safe |
| 21:53.08 | batrick | im a beast |
| 21:53.27 | batrick | I haven't tested batbot very thoroughly shirik, I wanted to giv eyou something to do ;) |
| 21:53.37 | Shirik | I'm slightly confused by it though |
| 21:53.45 | Shirik | isn't the 2nd parameter the error handler? |
| 21:53.51 | batrick | yes |
| 21:53.57 | Shirik | why does that even get run? |
| 21:54.15 | batrick | because the global "die" exists and is not a table or nil |
| 21:54.27 | Shirik | ah right |
| 21:55.30 | ScytheBlade1 | I like how they included a screenshot of that "authenticator"' |
| 21:55.36 | ScytheBlade1 | s serial in that picture |
| 21:55.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Any bets that random people try to plug in that number for their own account, only to lock their own selves out? |
| 22:00.07 | Lunessa | Heh. I used to have to use a "Secure" key to login where I worked. I'm glad I don't use one now. |
| 22:01.10 | ScytheBlade1 | If I was worried about being keylogged, or if I had access to things that I don't, I'd bother getting one |
| 22:01.25 | ScytheBlade1 | As it stands now the people that could really use them will never ever get one |
| 22:03.46 | Shirik | my mom has this thingy that she has to use to log into work |
| 22:03.52 | Shirik | she keeps it on her keychain and the number keeps changing |
| 22:03.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 22:03.59 | Shirik | not sure what that is |
| 22:04.00 | ScytheBlade1 | That's what they do! |
| 22:04.09 | ScytheBlade1 | That'd probably be a RSA secure token |
| 22:04.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Changes the number every minute, tied to her account |
| 22:04.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Same concept |
| 22:05.01 | Diskmaster | Those tokens as far as WoW are only really needed for the truly stupid. :O |
| 22:05.08 | Diskmaster | imo |
| 22:05.29 | Diskmaster | Er... s/stupid/lacking an install of common sense 2008 Beta 4/ |
| 22:06.20 | Tekkub | sadly there will be a huge demand for the things |
| 22:07.13 | Tekkub | hell, if they're maknig a key fob, why not just make a simple auth dongle... plug it in when you're logging in |
| 22:07.25 | Dashkal | Diskmaster: consider the use case of a guild that likes to meet in person lan-party style at an internet cafe. For that kind of thing, I'd want the fob |
| 22:07.28 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd imagine that these are cheaper and less complex |
| 22:07.38 | Tekkub | if acct is set to use one, and it's not present at login, you can't log in |
| 22:07.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Further they have no hardware requirements, drivers, and no needed computer end support |
| 22:07.58 | Shirik | aye, an LCD can cost you a couple cents and is a simple thing to use |
| 22:07.59 | Tekkub | ScytheBlade1, true they prolly just bought the ones Paypal uses |
| 22:08.08 | Shirik | a USB port is quite a bit more difficult |
| 22:08.09 | Diskmaster | True, true. |
| 22:08.40 | ScytheBlade1 | I can also see them requiring usage of these keys for employees (lol urinals!) and alpha/beta testers |
| 22:08.48 | Dashkal | ^^ |
| 22:09.01 | Dashkal | I suspect that's part of the reason they're doing it |
| 22:09.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Honestly? I don't, I see it as a side effect |
| 22:09.26 | Tekkub | testers? why? |
| 22:09.35 | Tekkub | the don't even lock down the aplha downloader |
| 22:09.40 | Tekkub | the leak is their own |
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| 22:09.56 | ScytheBlade1 | I doubt it's cost effective for them to build support into the client considering that (except for their customer service dept) they have <400 employees |
| 22:10.14 | Tekkub | but employees have been hacked before :) |
| 22:10.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is why at least part of their network isn't public ;) |
| 22:11.01 | Tekkub | I don't see them requireing them, but I do see them offering em to employees for free |
| 22:11.24 | Dashkal | Tekkub: Just a random prediction, but I wonder if next cycle the alpha client will require your lil fob authorization to get |
| 22:11.43 | Diskmaster | I'd almost prefer a gpg key over a dongle, but only because of my OS |
| 22:11.48 | Dashkal | the damage is more or less done this time around, but they can still learn from it |
| 22:11.53 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm more surprised that they haven't added SSL client certs to their torrent client |
| 22:11.55 | Tekkub | I still doubt they'd require it for this alpha at least |
| 22:12.03 | ScytheBlade1 | That'd be one amazingly effective way to lock it down :P |
| 22:12.03 | Tekkub | the leak is there, there is no patching it |
| 22:12.34 | Tekkub | but yea, next patch I bet you they do a much better job of protecting the download link |
| 22:12.51 | ScytheBlade1 | s/patch/expansion alpha phase/ |
| 22:12.54 | Dashkal | patch the damn client to require auth to talk to the tracker |
| 22:13.13 | Tekkub | not that that won't stop leaks.. it'll just mean that the leak isn't their own damn fault |
| 22:13.17 | Dashkal | be it SSL certs or even a password, just do SOMETHING |
| 22:13.26 | ScytheBlade1 | SSL certs ftw |
| 22:13.36 | Tekkub | SSL >> all |
| 22:13.55 | Dashkal | that's why there was an openSSL DOS security advisory this morning? :p |
| 22:14.29 | Diskmaster | Affecting what ver? |
| 22:14.48 | Dashkal | sec, I'll link the advisory |
| 22:14.55 | Tekkub | pfft, noone uses DOS anymore! |
| 22:15.00 | Dashkal | http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-620-1 |
| 22:15.07 | Dashkal | Denial of service :p |
| 22:15.08 | cog|work | Tekkub: of course not |
| 22:15.10 | Diskmaster | I'm pretty sure I've got it patched, but just want to be sure |
| 22:15.14 | cog|work | they use FreeDOS |
| 22:15.23 | Dashkal | DosEMU/FreeDOS ftw :p |
| 22:15.30 | Dashkal | mmm, commander keen |
| 22:15.35 | Tekkub | GLADOS >> FreeDOS |
| 22:15.40 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 22:15.41 | cog|work | agreed |
| 22:15.45 | cog|work | too bad it's fictitious |
| 22:15.50 | Dashkal | No thanks, I don't want my computer spewing deadly neurotoxin and denying me cake |
| 22:15.53 | Diskmaster | Agreed, though fake |
| 22:16.20 | Dashkal | I want my cake |
| 22:16.20 | ScytheBlade1 | http://openssl.org/news/secadv_20080528.txt |
| 22:16.23 | Lunessa | Does that mean there will be a new command line OS for the illiterate called TardOS? |
| 22:16.25 | ScytheBlade1 | There we go, the actual advisory ;) |
| 22:16.34 | Dashkal | danke, sbo |
| 22:16.37 | Tekkub | I should change my email notification from the default to GlaDOS's "wheeeeee" from when you first learn to fling |
| 22:16.50 | ScytheBlade1 | TardOS> can i has wow? |
| 22:16.56 | ScytheBlade1 | * error: too stupid |
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| 22:17.02 | ScytheBlade1 | * even for me, you tard |
| 22:17.30 | Lunessa | error "No. Not URZ!" |
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| 22:19.06 | Diskmaster | Yeah, it's already fixed. |
| 22:19.42 | Dashkal | reading the ubuntu one: Ubuntu doesn't compile server extensions by default. I just shrug. |
| 22:19.50 | Dashkal | Not sure why the package updated given that line, though. If it was source only, who cares? |
| 22:20.12 | NightHawkTheSane | http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb125/Cheeriotown/LionRidingHorse.jpg |
| 22:22.58 | Lunessa | I want to know two things - what drugs did they give the horse, and why isn't there a trail of horse crap? |
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| 22:36.05 | Lunessa | Zootfizzle's user icon PWNS |
| 22:37.25 | ScytheBlade1 | You're just now seeing this? |
| 22:37.56 | Lunessa | No, I'm just now commenting on it. |
| 22:38.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah, I was going to say... he's had that icon since day one ;) |
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| 22:48.41 | ckknight | Lunessa: link? |
| 22:49.16 | Lunessa | ckknight: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7372109178&sid=1 |
| 22:55.07 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ "\n\n\n\nPhooey" |
| 22:57.14 | cog|work | damn u Lunessa |
| 22:57.35 | Lunessa | Too late cog|work, too late! |
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| 22:58.11 | Tekkub | if( not LibStub( "LibSpecialEvents-Mount-4.0", true ) ) then |
| 22:58.12 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.12 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.12 | Tekkub | end--if |
| 22:58.16 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:59.01 | cog|work | /agree |
| 22:59.51 | ckknight | has anyone ever gotten a custom model to work ingame? |
| 23:00.32 | rane_ | yes? |
| 23:00.40 | Tekkub | cog, you'd love this guy... he took my Kennel and "upgraded" it to Ace2 |
| 23:00.49 | ckknight | and by that, I mean using it in an addon, no haxoring the mpqs |
| 23:01.45 | cog|work | DMCA his ass!!! |
| 23:01.57 | foxlit | Meh |
| 23:01.58 | cog|work | :P |
| 23:02.03 | foxlit | Didn't you hear, Ace2 makes WoW run faster! |
| 23:02.13 | cog|work | for its life... |
| 23:02.17 | foxlit | cures cancer in small rodents, too. |
| 23:03.02 | ckknight | ~seen guillotine |
| 23:03.03 | purl | guillotine <n=Guilloti@ip68-111-86-113.oc.oc.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 8d 15h 38m 13s ago, saying: 'night all!'. |
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| 23:03.24 | Tekkub | and then he upgraded it to Rock too :P |
| 23:03.32 | Tekkub | and no, my addons are all open, you know that |
| 23:03.42 | foxlit | I propose the following |
| 23:03.46 | cog|work | i don't keep track of such things :P |
| 23:03.56 | Tekkub | but I can give him shit for downgrading Kennel back to Ace2 |
| 23:04.00 | foxlit | Implement an adapter from every library to every other library |
| 23:04.27 | foxlit | layer them on top of each other so you're running Ace3 on Ace2 on Rock on Ace |
| 23:04.47 | ckknight | on Cosmos. |
| 23:04.50 | foxlit | 3. ??? 4. Profit! |
| 23:05.55 | Dashkal | don't forget ct_mainmod |
| 23:07.22 | Tekkub | I actually got an error report for TourGuide the other day that got traced back to CTMM |
| 23:07.29 | Tekkub | I didn't know anyone still used it... |
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| 23:09.30 | foxlit | anyway, wwi nap & flight time |
| 23:09.44 | devXer0 | anyone know if there is a way to get the talent links? |
| 23:12.33 | Tekkub | they're just spells last I checked |
| 23:12.55 | devXer0 | hmm, good point Tekkub |
| 23:12.56 | devXer0 | thanks |
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| 23:18.59 | Lunessa | Wait... Kennel converted to Ace2? W.T.F.? |
| 23:19.55 | Tekkub | and then to Rock |
| 23:20.59 | Guillotine | Next it'll be converting to MY new framework, Brainfwck (see http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8889-BrainFwck.html ) |
| 23:22.26 | wereHamster | write a JVM in brainfwck and port your addons to java! |
| 23:22.37 | Lunessa | Guillotine: fwck you! |
| 23:23.09 | Dashkal | wereHamster: If someone were to do that, I really would code in java :p |
| 23:23.19 | Tekkub | screw java, I want ruby |
| 23:23.31 | Tekkub | KennelOnRails |
| 23:23.35 | wereHamster | or ook, or lolcode |
| 23:23.58 | Tekkub | ook? we could make a WoW-specific one named oom |
| 23:24.03 | Dashkal | I keep hearing rumours someone did lolcode -> lua |
| 23:24.08 | wereHamster | you don't know ook? |
| 23:24.12 | Guillotine | That would be pure win. Kennel in a Ruby simulator written in Java, running in a Brainfsck simulator written in Lua running in an MMO |
| 23:24.32 | Dashkal | Guillotine: only valid if wow is running under vmware |
| 23:24.33 | wereHamster | http://esolangs.org/wiki/Ook |
| 23:24.39 | Dashkal | or some similar thing :p |
| 23:24.48 | Tekkub | are there math symbols for mean and mode? |
| 23:25.53 | Kirov | Tekkub - yes and no. Depending on your math discipline, the symbols used change or don't exist. |
| 23:26.13 | Tekkub | well I want something I can sneak onto an item tooltip |
| 23:26.22 | Tekkub | I display mode and mean, and forget which is which |
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| 23:27.21 | Kirov | I believe u(x) is the mean of x in statistics. |
| 23:27.39 | Tekkub | there's bar over a variable |
| 23:27.44 | Tekkub | x-bar, etc |
| 23:27.45 | Dashkal | brainf**k is... terrifying |
| 23:28.20 | zenzelezz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_mathematical_symbols |
| 23:28.54 | Anaral|Away | I realize WowBench is outdated, but will it work for simple things like adding info to the tooltip? |
| 23:29.10 | Tekkub | it's not in there zenzelezz |
| 23:29.15 | Tekkub | just x-bar |
| 23:29.22 | zenzelezz | Tekkub: hm, I misread then |
| 23:29.48 | Tekkub | I guess I can use x-bar on the mean and nothing on the mode |
| 23:30.15 | Kirov | Tekkub - you're including the symbol as an image? |
| 23:30.19 | Tekkub | I'm fairly certain I don't have my stat book anymore |
| 23:30.33 | Tekkub | probably not Kirov |
| 23:30.35 | Tekkub | just text |
| 23:31.55 | Anaral|Away | Well if you want to add the symbol, just look at Rating Buster. I think all that he did there to add the Sigma as a blp image. |
| 23:32.33 | ckknight | so I have a PlayerModel and I can see my model fine, and rotate it about its yaw just fine. Does anyone know if there's a way to rotate it other ways, e.g. its roll or pitch? |
| 23:32.59 | Kirov | ckknight - you can't |
| 23:33.00 | devXer0 | Tekkub: so, using GetSpellID with the talent name, returns result only for those which are in the spellbook. ( i.e. Summon Water Elemental ) |
| 23:33.04 | devXer0 | any idea on the rest? |
| 23:33.08 | ckknight | Kirov: seriously? :-( |
| 23:33.13 | devXer0 | edrr GetSpellLink |
| 23:33.24 | Kirov | ckknight - seriously. |
| 23:33.34 | ckknight | Kirov: that's so lame |
| 23:33.38 | ckknight | :-( |
| 23:33.39 | Dashkal | You sure, Kirov? I could have sworn I've seen a mod do that to my dressing room once... |
| 23:33.40 | Tekkub | got all the good ones still, diffeq, compex anal, linear algebra... but no stats :) |
| 23:34.00 | Dashkal | I might just be confused and thinking of the model viewer, though... |
| 23:34.11 | Tekkub | and sigma's sum, that's not at all what I want |
| 23:34.55 | Kirov | The PlayerModel object's only way of rotating is via the SetRotation method, and it only takes 1 var. |
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| 23:36.13 | Anaral|Away | I realize it's not, but I thought you just wanted the image and how to place it. |
| 23:36.14 | Tekkub | devXer0, use IDs, name only works for the current spellbook |
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| 23:42.15 | Tekkub | oh mu means mean also it seems |
| 23:43.23 | Anaral|Away | Oh you just want the short hands, I thought you wanted actual symbols. |
| 23:44.01 | Tekkub | I just want something inmple instead of "2.01 mode (2.55 mean)" |
| 23:44.07 | Tekkub | *simple |
| 23:44.39 | Anaral|Away | Four letters each word is pretty simple... |
| 23:44.43 | devXer0 | Tekkub: that's what I'm trying to get is the talent id |
| 23:45.09 | devXer0 | well, trying to get the spell id for the talent that is |
| 23:45.14 | Tekkub | devXer0, wowhead |
| 23:45.24 | devXer0 | Tekkub: yeah, that's pretty much not an option |
| 23:45.44 | Tekkub | yeah, that's pretty much your only option |
| 23:45.53 | devXer0 | Staticly coding id's kida goes against what I'm trying to do |
| 23:45.58 | devXer0 | ok, well thanks :) |
| 23:46.16 | Tekkub | tear apart the talent UI |
| 23:46.22 | Tekkub | shift-click makes a link |
| 23:46.31 | Tekkub | but that's only gonna work for the current player's class |
| 23:46.38 | devXer0 | yeah, I was trying to see if there was an event associated with that, but didn't seem to work |
| 23:46.43 | devXer0 | and current player is all I care about |
| 23:46.55 | Tekkub | clicking is not event driven |
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| 23:48.05 | ckknight | when I do :SetFogColor on my PlayerModel, no matter what values I put in, it gets rid of the nice shadows of my model. Any way to prevent this? |
| 23:48.27 | Dashkal | devXer0: extract the interface lua or head to wowcompares.com ... the code you want to mimic is right at the top of the code for the talent UI. |
| 23:49.07 | ckknight | or is there a better way to set color for a model? |
| 23:50.12 | Tekkub | heh, WoW can't handle a "Combining Macron" |
| 23:50.22 | Tekkub | neat idea though, silly UTF |
| 23:50.28 | Kirov | ckknight - you want a flatly colored, still shaded model? |
| 23:50.34 | devXer0 | Dashkal: thanks :D |
| 23:50.36 | ckknight | yes |
| 23:50.44 | ckknight | okay, I got it by setting a different FogNear/FogFar |
| 23:52.08 | devXer0 | omg... |
| 23:52.13 | devXer0 | XD |
| 23:52.21 | devXer0 | perfect |
| 23:52.37 | Dashkal | I love that website... |
| 23:52.45 | ckknight | Kirov: is there a better way to do this? |
| 23:52.46 | devXer0 | I just bookmarked it |
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| 23:54.59 | Kirov | ckknight - no. |
| 23:55.15 | Lunessa | http://www.wired.com/politics/security/commentary/securitymatters/2008/06/securitymatters_0626 |
| 23:55.35 | Kirov | ckknight - I guess technically it would be possible to display the character models untextured, but that means it'd be a white model with all possible hair / clothing still visible. |
| 23:55.48 | ckknight | Kirov: I use a custom model |
| 23:55.50 | ckknight | it's white |
| 23:57.28 | Kirov | If it's a custom model, you might be able to set it up like the arrow model and use SetModelTexture on it. |
| 23:57.43 | Kirov | er, ReplaceIcontexture |
| 23:58.10 | Kirov | I guess, only the put in backpack model works with that, and I'm not sure how. |
| 23:59.06 | Shirik | ~x de en ohne dich |
| 23:59.11 | Kirov | Actually, if you just want to color it, and it's already flat white, use SetLight |
| 23:59.37 | ckknight | hrm |
| 23:59.38 | ckknight | that could work |
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