IRC log for #wowuidev on 20080621

`00:00.19`	`Acreanex`	`Hey`
`00:00.43`	`Cide`	`no`
`00:01.05`	`foxlit`	`no?`
`00:01.27`	`*** join/#wowuidev Adys__ (n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys)`
`00:03.39`	`Shirik`	`ok, anyone familiar with dynamic chat analysis? Like spam detection. I need one that operates on guild chat, thinking of developing it`
`00:03.53`	`Shirik`	`I need to determine when people are being stupid and block them temporarily`
`00:06.34`	`Cide`	`whenever "lol" occurs more than twice`
`00:06.37`	`Cide`	`or more than once`
`00:06.38`	`foxlit`	`I'd say you're doomed :)`
`00:06.41`	`Shirik`	`nono`
`00:06.43`	`Shirik`	`not that simple`
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`00:06.49`	`Cide`	`works for me`
`00:06.57`	`Shirik`	`more like "WATWATINURBAT"`
`00:07.03`	`foxlit`	`You're pitting static code against humans; I can be stupid in a lot of ways that you're unlikely to ever catch :)`
`00:07.08`	`Cide`	`caps > 20% of text`
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`00:07.11`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Shirik: its really simple, if you receive a guild chat message.. then people are being stupid.`
`00:07.12`	`Shirik`	`I thought of that one already`
`00:07.22`	`foxlit`	`try phonetics`
`00:07.23`	`Shirik`	`but it won't catch everything`
`00:07.28`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`s/guild//; really`
`00:07.32`	`foxlit`	`If you can't pronounce what they're saying, it's probably BS`
`00:07.32`	`Cide`	`go look into thunderbird's spam detection :P`
`00:07.36`	`Shirik`	`phonetics was suggested by someone, but, that doesn't seem easy`
`00:07.42`	`Shirik`	`of course it won't be easy`
`00:07.52`	`Dave2`	`Cairenn, belated pong.`
`00:08.05`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Hi Dave2!`
`00:08.08`	`Dave2`	`(I'm assuming that whatever it was is probably irrelevant now)`
`00:08.12`	`Cairenn`	`Dave2: no worries, nalioth hooked me up, but thank you :)`
`00:08.13`	`Dave2`	`hello`
`00:08.18`	`Cide`	`can do lots of things`
`00:08.23`	`Cairenn`	`just needed some cloaks applied :)`
`00:08.27`	`Cide`	`word length, letter distribution`
`00:08.52`	`Cide`	`use several factors to get an average 'stupidity factor', block if it's above some threshold`
`00:09.01`	`Cide`	`use weights depending on reliability of the factors`
`00:09.03`	`foxlit`	`Use the xkcd bot`
`00:09.28`	`foxlit`	`(the ban-people-if-they-say-something-already-said one, not the import"soul" one)`
`00:09.30`	`Cide`	`if it's been said before?`
`00:09.44`	`Cide`	`that wouldn't work :P`
`00:10.03`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`its worked more or less well for #xkcd`
`00:10.26`	`Cide`	`#xkcd, I would hope, contains more or less 'smart' individuals`
`00:10.32`	`Cide`	`I would say most guild chats are the contrary`
`00:10.43`	`Shirik`	`I also want it to be a "learning" AI`
`00:10.55`	`Dave2`	`ah, right`
`00:10.56`	`foxlit`	`"Is Bob being stupid? Send your votes in whispers!"`
`00:10.59`	`Shirik`	`that is, the people who do this are more or less the same, so they should be picked up more easily`
`00:12.03`	`Tenchworks`	`lol this is an interesting idea that has merit but that's one hell of a detection system you got to build for it....`
`00:12.17`	`hi11ie`	`Shirik: why dont you just leave the guild? :) find one where ppl don't act stupid`
`00:12.27`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`hi11ie: not possible`
`00:12.29`	`foxlit`	`I'd dump every message starting with "lol", too`
`00:12.36`	`Shirik`	`I've considered it on several occasions, but it's only a few stupid people, and not common`
`00:12.44`	`foxlit`	`/ignore`
`00:12.47`	`Cide`	`imo`
`00:12.54`	Funkeh`	`lies`
`00:12.54`	`Shirik`	`it's also the only raiding guild on my server`
`00:12.57`	`foxlit`	`Although that leads to issues`
`00:12.58`	`foxlit`	`move.`
`00:12.59`	`Shirik`	`only functional raiding guild at least`
`00:13.00`	Funkeh`	`stupid people are very common`
`00:13.09`	`foxlit`	`I once ignored our main tank`
`00:13.14`	`Tenchworks`	`lol`
`00:13.16`	`foxlit`	`That led to issues, considering I'm leading raids :(`
`00:13.33`	`foxlit`	`(it wasn't even the tank - it was the damn bigwigs/dbm spam I wanted to get rid fo!)`
`00:13.35`	`hi11ie`	`can you ignore ppl in your guild?`
`00:13.39`	Funkeh`	`i guess you would be classed as srupid people then`
`00:13.42`	`foxlit`	`Yes, you can ignore anyone`
`00:13.44`	Funkeh`	`:P`
`00:13.50`	`hi11ie`	`even friends?`
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`00:13.56`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I've had tanks on ignore before.`
`00:14.01`	`foxlit`	`Haven't tried, but I don't see why`
`00:14.02`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`you can't ignore a friend, i dont think`
`00:14.02`	Funkeh`	`-anyone-`
`00:14.03`	`hi11ie`	`heh`
`00:14.22`	Funkeh`	`you can ignore your mom even if you want`
`00:14.23`	`abug`	`I don't think you can ignore a GM`
`00:14.25`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`I've got like half a dozen people in my guild on ignore.`
`00:14.39`	Funkeh`	`gms dont really exist though`
`00:14.41`	`Cide`	`add the sum of the weighted factors: average word length (exponential), caps amount (exp.), letter distribution (not sure how you'd rate this one), dmessages/dt`
`00:14.49`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`The fun part is when i decide i dont feel like healing them in raids. :)`
`00:15.00`	`Cide`	`and maybe some inherit stupidity factor that takes into account how many times you've already blocked that user`
`00:15.01`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Letter distribution -- number of 1111!!! they type. :)`
`00:15.17`	Funkeh`	`foxlit, use bigwigs and turn on spamblock, job done`
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`00:15.30`	`Cide`	`yeah, letter distribution takes care of that and stuff like "lolol lol lololol loll lololol"`
`00:15.44`	Funkeh`	`...`
`00:15.54`	`foxlit`	`utter not nonsense, though!`
`00:16.04`	`Shirik`	`see but it's not that kind of stuff that comes through for me`
`00:16.12`	`foxlit`	`Is BigWigs still in 1023 mini addons?`
`00:16.17`	`Shirik`	`supposedly the stuff they say has some sensical meaning`
`00:16.23`	`Shirik`	`I don't understand it`
`00:16.26`	Funkeh`	`?`
`00:16.37`	`Cide`	`you're saying you want it to intelligently interpret text? :P`
`00:16.45`	`Shirik`	`kinda >.>`
`00:16.47`	`Cide`	`have fun`
`00:16.48`	`foxlit`	`And cook dinner, by the sound of it.`
`00:16.50`	`Shirik`	`yeah`
`00:16.52`	`Cide`	`given all kinds of wow lingo around`
`00:16.52`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Like... the RP helper addons do?`
`00:17.12`	`foxlit`	Funkeh`: if I ever care enough, I'll write something to block those messages - the triple star pattern is relatively easy to catch
`00:17.32`	Funkeh`	`yes thats what i use in bigwigs`
`00:17.42`	Funkeh`	`somehow ignoring your tank is a bit ...`
`00:17.44`	`Cide`	`Shirik: I'd give up on that :P`
`00:17.51`	`Shirik`	`I'll get it to work!`
`00:17.55`	`foxlit`	`Thing is, why would you care? :)`
`00:18.05`	`Lopeppeppy`	Funkeh`, I have several on ignore. Poor little things. They die less when they're not pissing me off.
`00:18.09`	`foxlit`	`He tanks, you kill, there isn't really anything you'd want to know from each other on Council`
`00:18.14`	`Shirik`	`It doesn't have to be incredibly intelligent`
`00:18.15`	Funkeh`	`i'm trying to rid the world of 1 more stupid person i guess?`
`00:18.16`	`Shirik`	`but I do want it to learn`
`00:18.44`	`foxlit`	`(and dream!)`
`00:18.53`	Funkeh`	`sounds like a close and friendly guild`
`00:19.02`	`Cide`	`easiest way to learn would be to adjust the weights for the factors I mentioned based on whether or not you flag specific messages as stupid`
`00:19.11`	`Cide`	`but if you don't want that kind of detection, I honestly have no idea`
`00:19.52`	`abug`	`hire someone to log on when you do and have all messages sent to you go to that person first for approval`
`00:20.19`	`foxlit`	Funkeh`: it's not like that /ignore lasted for more than the duration of the council fight; I don't really think it has anything to do with the guild :)
`00:20.49`	Funkeh`	`was reffering more to lope`
`00:21.00`	`foxlit`	`Ah :)`
`00:22.05`	Funkeh`	`wow transfering from tnfs to an external fat32 is slow as hell`
`00:22.34`	Funkeh`	`lucky to breach 1mb`
`00:23.14`	Funkeh`	`i blame Shirik`
`00:23.19`	`Shirik`	`what did I do?`
`00:23.36`	`Shirik`	`I don't work for microsoft, I just give them tons of money`
`00:23.42`	`Shirik`	`which is why I need to work for microsoft`
`00:23.48`	Funkeh`	`lol`
`00:25.56`	`ckknight`	`what's a fun horde warrior race?`
`00:26.04`	`foxlit`	`Tauren!`
`00:26.12`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Stompin' time!`
`00:26.18`	`foxlit`	`(or, well, undead if you wanted wotf)`
`00:27.02`	`Tekkub`	`my god, ripping apart Auctionator makes me want to stab kittens`
`00:27.14`	`Tekkub`	`and my cat is whining at me... he's not smart`
`00:27.21`	`foxlit`	`Is that like "Terminator" but for auctions?`
`00:27.40`	`Tekkub`	`it's like... a decent idea implemented horribly`
`00:28.02`	`foxlit`	`aren't most things?`
`00:28.09`	`Tekkub`	`yea... sigh`
`00:28.53`	`Stanzilla`	`ckknight: tauren!`
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`00:48.14`	`bleeter`	`Tekkub: if you think AAdv is horrible, you shoulda seen the version before hand ><`
`00:48.35`	`Tekkub`	`I don't think AA is horrible aside form the memory useage`
`00:48.38`	`Tekkub`	`and stubby`
`00:48.41`	`Tekkub`	`I hate stubby`
`00:48.57`	`Tekkub`	`it butchers the fuck out of error messages in it's hook chain`
`00:48.59`	`bleeter`	`oh, you meant the original auctioneer? yeah, very bloatware that`
`00:49.01`	`Iriel`	`I think AADV has some usability issues compared to its predecessor, but I suspect they'll be cleaned up sooner or later.`
`00:49.47`	`Tekkub`	`simply put... AA takes 26MiB on my box... ALL my other addons take 9.5 MiB ><`
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`00:50.07`	`bleeter`	`we ended up a point where we weren't working on original, spending time on aadv, so orginal bugs weren't being fixed, ppl got mad, then started to change to aadv... so it's 'finalisation' is slower`
`00:50.43`	`foxlit`	`# In one word he told me secret of success in mathematics: Plagiarize!`
`00:51.05`	`bleeter`	`Tekkub: you can kill most of that memory usage by removing a bunch of the evaluators that you really don't need 'cept on your AH mule ;)`
`00:51.15`	`Tekkub`	`and of course, all that memory is used to try to provide an accurate average... but in the end when I'm posting auctions I don't care about the average, I care about the min!`
`00:51.17`	`kd3`	`gah, weird hearing classical music coming out of my speakers when I'm not expecting it...`
`00:51.27`	`bleeter`	`ie, if you never use stat-std-dev, why bother loading it and spending 5MB?`
`00:51.55`	`Tekkub`	`bleeter, no I UNDERSTAND the memory use, I'm not bitching that it does...`
`00:52.02`	`bleeter`	`or better still, just write your own evaluator to do specifically what you want :P`
`00:52.11`	`Tekkub`	`I'm bitching that, in the end, I don't actually use the data that memory is used for! :)`
`00:52.25`	`bleeter`	`after all, that's 1/2 the point of AAdv - modular evaluators instead of the horrid original code :P`
`00:52.36`	`Tekkub`	`and I've had my fill of stubby fucking over hook chain errors`
`00:53.37`	`Esamynn`	`death to stubby! :P`
`00:53.42`	`Tekkub`	`I find myself posting the same auctions day in and day out (gems) and only caring about the lowest price on AH currently.. so all I need is an addon to post my auctions and use a preset price if none are on AH right now`
`00:53.53`	`Tekkub`	`Auc doesn't really fill that role at all`
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`00:54.21`	`Esamynn`	`it could, the module support just isn't there`
`00:54.24`	`Tekkub`	`and if "write your own module" is the solution... well why not just write my own addon entirely?`
`00:54.24`	`bleeter`	`personally, I'm enjoying TourGuide's way it'll tell me to go somewhere (ie, 'you've finished here hearth back and handin') whilst there's still quest on the list to do before the hearth step ><`
`00:55.01`	`Esamynn`	`Tekkub: that's sort of like asking why would I write an addon for FireFox instead of my own full web browser :P`
`00:56.37`	`Tekkub`	`Esamynn, it's kinda like asking why I should write an addon to FF that does FTP instead of a standalone FTP prog :P`
`00:56.51`	`Esamynn`	`not quite`
`00:57.19`	`Tekkub`	`don't get me wrong here, I'm not saying I don't like Auc, I love Auc... I'm just beginning to realize it's overkill for what I do at the AH`
`00:57.24`	`Esamynn`	`AAdv core will at least handle the scanning of the AH for you, and it has the posting modules already written`
`00:57.31`	`Tekkub`	`and bleeter, open a ticket :P`
`00:57.52`	`Tekkub`	`I already have scanning written :)`
`00:57.59`	`Esamynn`	`granted, scanning the AH is a lot easier that it used to be (in theory), but the full AH download stuff has been problematic to get working :P`
`00:58.04`	`Tekkub`	`and, oddly enough, it's faster than Auc's`
`00:58.20`	`Esamynn`	`AAdv and it's team is largely responsible for the API actually working now`
`00:58.34`	`Tekkub`	`I can only assume auc's scanner is on a timer before it polls the next page?`
`00:58.53`	`Esamynn`	`it rate limited, to prevent Dc problems we've had`
`00:58.56`	`Tekkub`	`I poll the page the moment I'm able`
`00:59.14`	`Esamynn`	`Tekkub: we used to essentially do that, and a lot of people ran into DC problems`
`00:59.15`	`Tekkub`	`ah, yea I've never hit DC issues`
`00:59.41`	`Esamynn`	`I think there is a param to change how fast AAdv's scanning goes, but I forget what it is`
`00:59.44`	`Tekkub`	`anywho the hubby is bitching at me to shuck the corn for dinner`
`01:01.32`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`mmm.. shucking...`
`01:02.21`	`bleeter`	`scanning is always faster the second time around, buncha stuff is cached (iirc, name lookups). could be part of the reason for a noticable speed difference. I get around 20APS on first run, 40APS if rerun again soon after (varies a little though depending on AH changes)`
`01:02.52`	`bleeter`	`can't recall if that's AAdv doing the caching, though, or something Blizz offered by default.`
`01:04.21`	`Tekkub`	`well shucks that didn't take long`
`01:04.38`	`Esamynn`	`heh`
`01:04.45`	`Tekkub`	`bleeter, when I did my test, I scanned with my addon first, then auc`
`01:04.53`	`Tekkub`	`so it had the advantage there :P`
`01:05.17`	`Tekkub`	`but if you force a slower rate it makes sense`
`01:06.32`	`Tekkub`	`function BoolToString (b)`
`01:06.32`	`Tekkub`	`if (b) then`
`01:06.32`	`Tekkub`	`return "true";`
`01:06.32`	`Tekkub`	`end`
`01:06.35`	`Tekkub`	`my god....`
`01:06.41`	`Esamynn`	`O_O`
`01:06.52`	`Tekkub`	`function BoolToNum (b)`
`01:06.52`	`Tekkub`	`if (b) then`
`01:06.52`	`Tekkub`	`return 1;`
`01:07.05`	`Tekkub`	`function NumToBool (n)`
`01:07.05`	`Tekkub`	`if (n == 0) then`
`01:07.05`	`Tekkub`	`return false;`
`01:07.09`	`Tekkub`	`seriously....`
`01:07.12`	`ScytheBlade1`	`It's genius!`
`01:07.20`	`Esamynn`	`oh dear`
`01:07.30`	`ScytheBlade1`	`GENIUS!`
`01:07.33`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Tekkub: where is this?`
`01:07.35`	`Esamynn`	`~lart ScytheBlade1`
`01:07.36`	`purl`	`slaps a compatible dib on ScytheBlade1's head`
`01:07.38`	`Tekkub`	`Auctionator`
`01:08.30`	`Tekkub`	`I seriously shouldn't have opened this fucking addon`
`01:08.30`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lol, let the tears flow`
`01:08.30`	`Tekkub`	`but I wanted to fix the lil annoyances like the useless "confirm" panel or the bags toggling instead of just showing`
`01:08.30`	`Esamynn`	`tek is that classic?`
`01:08.46`	`Tekkub`	`Esamynn, it's OCD, I see scary code I can't stop myself`
`01:08.46`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Tekkub: those fail, there's no support for the FILE_NOT_FOUND option.`
`01:08.49`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`( http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/What_Is_Truth_0x3f_.aspx )`
`01:09.14`	`Esamynn`	`Tekkub: no I mean, is that from Auc Classic?`
`01:09.23`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Esamynn: No, Auctionator`
`01:09.25`	`Esamynn`	`NightHawkTheSane: seen it`
`01:09.26`	`Tekkub`	`AUCTIONATOR`
`01:09.28`	`ScytheBlade1`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8902-Auctionator.html`
`01:09.37`	`Esamynn`	`oh, I thought you'd misspelled Auctioneer :P`
`01:09.47`	`Esamynn`	`my bad`
`01:09.49`	`Tekkub`	`No, I dun't misspeel`
`01:10.09`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`INCOMING UBUNTUBREAK WEEE`
`01:10.24`	`Tekkub`	`um, k?`
`01:10.25`	`Esamynn`	`Tekkub: my favourite is still:`
`01:10.27`	`Esamynn`	`local foo = tonumber("1");`
`01:10.35`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i just let the updater run hogwild on a powerpc/ps3 platform`
`01:10.41`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it's gonna be so dead :(`
`01:10.43`	`Tekkub`	`my favorite is still the table of powers of two`
`01:11.28`	`Tekkub`	`even though we did prove that if done RIGHT it was faster... it was done wrong and was trying to optimize something that shouldn't have existed in the first place`
`01:11.50`	`Esamynn`	`Tekkub: lol`
`01:13.20`	`Tekkub`	`NightHawkTheSane, hubby doesn't get it, even after I splained boolean and enum`
`01:14.12`	`Esamynn`	`Tekkub: but seriously, if you want something like you describe, I think you could get it with a relatively simple module for AAdv, and if you have beefs with the scanning code, well, the I know for a fact that the team loves new members :)`
`01:14.13`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Tekkub: heh.. thats.. special. ;)`
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`01:17.11`	`Anaral`	`Love comes and goes so easily when it comes to good software.`
`01:17.41`	`Anaral`	`Next on the IRC Client list o'love is NetTalk. We'll see how long this one lasts.`
`01:17.44`	`Tekkub`	`Esamynn, my "beefs" with Auc are primarily Stubby and secondarily EnhTooltip... but the simpler solution is to take the addon that does exactly what I want (Auctionator) and make it not suck`
`01:18.16`	`Tekkub`	`you know how I am about only loading what I actually use, and I've found that most of Auc I do not use`
`01:18.36`	`Esamynn`	`that would be why AAdv is modularized :P`
`01:18.45`	`Esamynn`	`one reason, anyways`
`01:18.55`	`Tekkub`	`AA with no modules is still loading crap I don't want or use`
`01:18.59`	`Anaral`	`Aye, delete the folders you don't want. ;)`
`01:19.06`	`Esamynn`	`like?`
`01:19.16`	`Tekkub`	`stubby :)`
`01:19.28`	`Tekkub`	`slidebar or whatever it's been renamed`
`01:19.55`	`Anaral`	`Slide bar can be deleted`
`01:19.59`	`Anaral`	`and disabled`
`01:20.00`	`Tekkub`	`it's not really the modules I have issue with, it's the underlying required libs`
`01:20.32`	`Anaral`	`Stubby & Enhtooltip are the only one in the non-dev release.`
`01:20.48`	`Esamynn`	`I thought stubby was just an event based addon loader, and nothing else`
`01:21.03`	`Tekkub`	`if stubby was a simple loader I would not hate it`
`01:21.04`	`Esamynn`	`but then, I've never worked with it, or looked at it`
`01:21.24`	`Tekkub`	`Auc should just use AddonLoader :)`
`01:21.26`	`bleeter`	`good god, it's not as if Norgs spent a damned year rewriting Auctioneer from the ground up to remove memory issues that we had, and all people do is bitch about how it's crap and still has memory issues. Good god, you're not forced to use it and if you think you can do better for an overall product, you're more than free to do it.`
`01:21.57`	`bleeter`	`no wonder the poor guy's burned out`
`01:22.00`	`Tekkub`	`woah there bleeter`
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`01:22.30`	`Tekkub`	`1) I never said auc was crap`
`01:22.41`	`Tekkub`	`2) I said I UNDERSTAND why it uses so much memory`
`01:22.44`	`Anaral`	`I love auc-adv. :) And I'm confused at what issue Tekkub holds against Stubby?`
`01:23.20`	`Tekkub`	`3) I said that I've found it's overkill for my needs, and the simplest solution is for me to write an addon that does what I need`
`01:23.41`	`Tekkub`	`Anaral, stubby makes hooks, perticularly into the tooltips...`
`01:23.49`	`bleeter`	`and fwiw, there was a rewrite of enhtooltip planned, the author went afk though (iirc)`
`01:24.04`	`Esamynn`	`my point is, I thought it was modular enough that it would be flexible enough to do only what you want, and no more than that Tekkub`
`01:24.07`	`Tekkub`	`when an error arises in the hook chain, stubby overrides the game's error handling and instead dumps a nasty ass text to the chat frame`
`01:24.21`	`Esamynn`	`it does!?!?!?!`
`01:24.25`	`Anaral`	`What?`
`01:24.31`	`Tekkub`	`Esamynn, if it will work without stubby and enhtooltip, then yes`
`01:24.33`	`Anaral`	`I take it you don't use a debugger?`
`01:24.48`	`Tekkub`	`I _DO_ use a debugger, my own in fact`
`01:25.11`	`Tekkub`	`except stubby breaks it when the error happens in a tooltip and tries to handle the error itself`
`01:25.13`	`Esamynn`	`it shouldn't be dumping nasty errors to the chat frame, afaik, if it is, we should fix that`
`01:25.19`	`Anaral`	`Have you tried disabling the feature that puts error messages in chat?`
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`01:25.38`	`Tekkub`	`there's a config for stubby somewhere?`
`01:25.45`	`Anaral`	`That's because it's looking for something it knows, like !Swatter`
`01:25.51`	`Tekkub`	`exactly`
`01:26.03`	`Tekkub`	`it should obey the game's lua error setting`
`01:26.15`	`Anaral`	`I think the option is in Auc-adv somewhere.`
`01:26.18`	`Tekkub`	`if that's off, don't handle. if that's on, raise a real error`
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`01:26.38`	`Esamynn`	`Tekkub: this sounds like a bug`
`01:26.43`	`\|Jelly\|`	`BTW ... with a little tweaking, I <3 OPie :P`
`01:26.52`	`\|Jelly\|`	`(to whoever was in here the other day)`
`01:27.06`	`Tekkub`	`I'm loading stumpy now to see if I can find a config somewhere`
`01:27.12`	`Esamynn`	`Tekkub: you don't happen to have repro steps, do you?`
`01:27.41`	`Tekkub`	`sure, hook something like GameTooltip's on item set handler and intentionally raise an error`
`01:28.19`	`Tekkub`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:28.36`	`Esamynn`	`yah, I don't think Stubby has a config`
`01:29.04`	`Esamynn`	`but it shouldn't be dumping to the Chat Frame, and if it is, I'd make sure that got fixed`
`01:29.39`	`Tekkub`	`shrug I'll look into it later after I finish beating Auctionator into submission`
`01:29.58`	`Esamynn`	`Tekkub: will you be around for a while, I'm still at work, but I can look at this stuff when I get home within the next couple hours, or you can take this to #norganna if you like`
`01:30.00`	`Tekkub`	`I need to have my auction posting back by the 24th :)`
`01:30.03`	`Anaral`	`So what parts of Auc-Adv do you use?`
`01:30.19`	`Tekkub`	`Anaral, uh... well compact UI is pretty...`
`01:30.35`	`Tekkub`	`and uh...`
`01:30.37`	`Tekkub`	`well...`
`01:30.57`	`Tekkub`	`Appraiser is pretty too, but I'd rather one click post everything`
`01:30.57`	`Tekkub`	`not one per item`
`01:31.25`	`Tekkub`	`as I said the price modules don't work for me, but yes I would make my own to track min-max instead`
`01:31.31`	`Anaral`	`Like multiple items or multiple stacks of the same item?`
`01:31.43`	`Tekkub`	`like SELL ALL MY FUCKING GEMS BITCH!`
`01:31.54`	`Anaral`	`Do you use any part of informant?`
`01:32.04`	`Tekkub`	`instead of click, refresh, wait, click repeat`
`01:32.06`	`Tekkub`	`no`
`01:32.13`	`Tekkub`	`I don't even install it`
`01:33.01`	`Anaral`	`I take it you don't use enchantrix, beancounter or btmscanner, correct?`
`01:33.03`	`Tekkub`	`I like btmscanner, but I don't actually "scan" with it only use it to find good prices, so an addon designed to do specifically that would be better (and I do intend to make it after my poster is done)`
`01:33.11`	`Tekkub`	`no, no, yes`
`01:33.21`	`Tekkub`	`I wrote panda to replace enchantrix`
`01:33.37`	`Tekkub`	`I use...`
`01:34.06`	`Tekkub`	`AA, filter basic, stat simple, stat stddev... scandata and btmscanner on LoD...`
`01:34.20`	`Tem\|afk`	`Sanity Check: If you zone into a raid where a boss is dead, you get saved to that instance even if you don't kill a boss while you are there`
`01:34.21`	`Tekkub`	`EnhTooltip, stubby because I have no option`
`01:34.33`	`bleeter`	`hmmm`
`01:34.38`	`bleeter`	`irq 9: nobody cared (try booting with the "irqpoll" option << not good`
`01:34.40`	`Tekkub`	`Tem... uh thought you only saved when the kill happens?`
`01:34.42`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Yes Tem. Locked to the raid ID`
`01:34.44`	`Tekkub`	`or did that change?`
`01:34.59`	`Tem\|afk`	`I'm pretty sure it's always been this way`
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`01:35.26`	`Anaral`	`I thought you said you used Appraiser... oh well.`
`01:35.30`	`Kreen`	`I have a question`
`01:35.31`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Yup, we've had people locked that way "accidentally" before.`
`01:35.34`	`Kreen`	`can anyone help me`
`01:35.36`	`Tekkub`	`... I can swear back when I did ZG you didn't save until a boss went down`
`01:35.56`	`Tekkub`	`in your presence`
`01:35.56`	`Anaral`	`Kreen`
`01:36.00`	`Anaral`	`What is it`
`01:36.22`	`JoshBorke`	`~asktoask`
`01:36.23`	`purl`	`This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help.`
`01:36.27`	`Kreen`	`I want to play WoW again but when ill go the account managment it says my account is frozen but will it be unfrozen when ill enter a pre-paid card?`
`01:36.47`	`Tekkub`	`yes`
`01:36.49`	`JoshBorke`	`does frozen mean you ran out of time?`
`01:36.52`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`I think at one point Tekkub was right, you could zone in and not be saved if you werent present for killing a boss`
`01:37.08`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`but I think thats changed, at the very least it has for some of the newer instances`
`01:37.09`	`Kreen`	`Ye coz i stopped playin for 5 months`
`01:37.11`	`Tekkub`	`frozen means no time on the acct, yes`
`01:37.26`	`Kreen`	`and ill checked and mine account status is frozen`
`01:37.50`	`Tekkub`	`it probably has changed because I can't remember the last time I saw the "You're now saved to this instance" warning`
`01:37.55`	`Kreen`	`but will it be unfrozen when i add a new pre-paid card?`
`01:38.01`	`Tekkub`	`Kreen, yes`
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`01:38.08`	`Tekkub`	`frozen just means you can't log in`
`01:38.23`	`Kreen`	`Till u enter a pre-paid card?`
`01:38.25`	`Anaral`	`Well as long as the reason you're frozen is because you haven't paid.`
`01:38.48`	`Anaral`	`Then yes. Once you enter the code from a ppc, you'll be able to login again.`
`01:39.08`	`Kreen`	`Cool but are BM Hunters good?`
`01:39.23`	`Tekkub`	`no, they were removed 4 months ago`
`01:39.35`	`Kreen`	`removed?:O`
`01:39.56`	`Tekkub`	`something about "rebalancing the dwarven population"`
`01:40.05`	`Anaral`	`lol`
`01:40.11`	`Kreen`	`So isnt the BM tab available?`
`01:40.35`	`Tem\|afk`	`nope`
`01:40.45`	`Tem\|afk`	`The Retribution tab on Paladins is gone too`
`01:40.52`	`Kreen`	`WTF`
`01:40.55`	`Kreen`	`lame`
`01:40.56`	`Tem\|afk`	`Arcane from mages as well`
`01:41.05`	`Tem\|afk`	`SO glad to see pompyro die`
`01:41.12`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Tem, pull the other one a bit.`
`01:41.25`	`Anaral`	`Boomkins got all the mage arcane talents, though.`
`01:41.34`	`Tem`	`ROFL he totally bought it`
`01:41.34`	`Anaral`	`Aww, we made him leave.`
`01:43.09`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Tem, you're a meanie-head dodo bird!`
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`01:44.26`	`Anaral`	`Okay, the fact that Nettalk keeps saying people 'quited' is beyond annoying. What should be the next IRC client to try tonight?`
`01:44.54`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I use trillian, honestly.`
`01:45.03`	`ScytheBlade1`	`~Tem++`
`01:45.04`	`ScytheBlade1`	`imo`
`01:45.32`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`xchat`
`01:45.35`	`bleeter`	`irssi > all`
`01:45.42`	`Tem`	`xchat > irssi`
`01:46.29`	`Tekkub`	`xchat > mirc!`
`01:46.36`	`bleeter`	`'cept you need a windowing environment for xchat, all that silly overhead`
`01:46.55`	`bleeter`	`damp sock with a hole > mirc`
`01:46.56`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`no problems having a windowing environment on my mac.`
`01:47.00`	`Tekkub`	`well when I have more that one WINDOW in the program...`
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`01:48.09`	`Tekkub`	`damp sock FTFW!`
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`01:48.14`	`Mikk`	`pidgin`
`01:48.14`	`Howdiee`	`Hello`
`01:48.18`	`Howdiee`	`i have a question`
`01:48.27`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Feel free to ask it.`
`01:48.27`	`Howdiee`	`how is the BM hunter for leveling?`
`01:48.31`	`Mikk`	`great`
`01:48.33`	`Anaral`	`Okay, well I still have the barbaric PC with XP (at least I don't have Vista), so I need something windowed.`
`01:48.38`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Feel free to ask on your class forums.`
`01:48.44`	`Anaral`	`He's not`
`01:48.57`	`Anaral`	`They removed BM from wow in 2.4 ;)`
`01:48.58`	`Howdiee`	`i heard some ppl said they removed the BM tab`
`01:49.02`	`Tekkub`	`what's with all these people logging in and announcing they have a question?`
`01:49.07`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Doodie.`
`01:49.11`	`ScytheBlade1`	`~Tem++`
`01:49.13`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Same person as Howdiee after all.`
`01:49.17`	`Howdiee`	`Has it been removed :O:O`
`01:49.23`	`bleeter`	`while I think of it, Tekkub, what's that /script again to unload the current TG. It's taking up screen space while I'm on the other continent doing some class quest (I promise I'll write it down this time)`
`01:49.32`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Howdiee. No.`
`01:49.33`	`Tekkub`	`oh, wait, it's the same people they just didn't listen the first time`
`01:49.44`	`Mikk`	`yes, quick tekkub, tell him more lies!`
`01:49.49`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Class forums will have good discussions of how to level with different specs, go read up on it.`
`01:49.53`	`Tekkub`	`bleeter, uh... hell if I know`
`01:49.58`	`Tekkub`	`checks`
`01:49.59`	`Howdiee`	`<Anaral> They removed BM from wow in 2.4 ;)`
`01:50.20`	`Howdiee`	`so is it gone?`
`01:50.24`	`Anaral`	`Yep`
`01:50.37`	`Tekkub`	`Kreen (n=Kreen@c529ce27a.cable.wanadoo.nl) has joined #WoWUIDev Howdiee (n=Howdiee@c529ce27a.cable.wanadoo.nl) has joined #WoWUIDev`
`01:50.40`	`Tekkub`	`seriously`
`01:50.46`	`Tekkub`	`what you take us for, fools?`
`01:51.04`	`Anaral`	`lol`
`01:51.06`	`ScytheBlade1`	`haha`
`01:51.11`	`Anaral`	`I give him 10 minutes.`
`01:51.11`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I kinda feel bad`
`01:51.12`	`bleeter`	`lol Tekkub`
`01:51.14`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I kinda don't`
`01:51.15`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I'm torn`
`01:51.21`	`Tekkub`	`he'll be back, with a new IP just watch`
`01:51.21`	`bleeter`	`you are bad, ScytheBlade1 :P`
`01:51.27`	`Anaral`	`Enough time to try to get a new IP... or attempt to. lol`
`01:51.50`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I gave him the right answer, if the idiot would listen to the girl.`
`01:52.15`	`ScytheBlade1`	`s'ok, Lopeppeppy`
`01:52.23`	`ScytheBlade1`	`The rest of us listen to the girl ;)`
`01:52.48`	`ScytheBlade1`	`(Mostly because if we don't, we win a +b, so hey!)`
`01:52.59`	`Anaral`	`Lopeppeppy: Which is the only reason I answered 'yep' when he directed his question at me.`
`01:53.14`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Well yes, Cairenn and Seerah do have big ban sticks.`
`01:53.20`	`ScytheBlade1`	`hehe, sorry`
`01:53.35`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I'm semi-out of it, and mildly offensive or just plain terrible jokes, don't hold them against me :P`
`01:53.42`	`Anaral`	`But Seerah is away and Cairenn isn't watching. ;)`
`01:53.51`	`Cairenn`	`you want to bet?`
`01:53.56`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I was going to say`
`01:54.02`	`ScytheBlade1`	`"You activated her trap card! Fool!"`
`01:54.42`	`Tekkub`	`any minute now....`
`01:55.01`	`Mikk`	`ORC PORN!`
`01:55.14`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Silly males. Girls are always watching.`
`01:55.21`	`Tekkub`	`yea we need some furry porn while we wait for him to get a new IP`
`01:55.48`	`ScytheBlade1`	`To be honest I doubt he'll be picking a new IP up`
`01:55.53`	`ScytheBlade1`	`He does not seem "fast"`
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`01:56.22`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`hahaha yep i broke my ubuntu`
`01:56.24`	`Tekkub`	`true we should check tho other wow channels`
`01:56.27`	`Freekx`	`Hi!`
`01:56.31`	`Freekx`	`I have a question!`
`01:56.39`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`networking was screwed but otherwise it was working okay`
`01:56.58`	`Freekx`	`Is it true that tekkub watches too much furry porn?`
`01:57.14`	`Tekkub`	`there is never too much`
`01:57.18`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`any amount is too much`
`01:57.25`	`Tekkub`	`in fact one could argue there is not enough`
`01:57.26`	`Lopeppeppy`	`What's furry porn?`
`01:57.36`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`Lopeppeppy: you're better off staying innocent`
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`01:57.44`	`Tekkub`	`who wants to corrupt floppypenny?`
`01:57.45`	`ckknight`	`http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/Incontinent_Student_Bodies`
`01:57.56`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Or just pretending to be, Mr_Rabies2. Hello, I'm above 18.`
`01:58.04`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i know`
`01:58.14`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`but it's best to stay ignorant to the furry menace`
`01:58.26`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`if i had the choice i would be`
`01:58.31`	`Mikk`	`jesus hopping christ onna stick...`
`01:58.33`	`Tekkub`	`I _KNEW_ you were just pretending to be female`
`01:58.35`	`Mikk`	`furry diaper porn`
`01:58.37`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I'm well aware of many such things. Counseling degree, sex therapy courses.... been there, yawned at that.`
`01:58.39`	`Mikk`	`this is too much >.<`
`01:58.45`	`Tekkub`	`we already have our token estrogen point at cair`
`01:59.07`	`JoshBorke`	`~emulate Mikk`
`01:59.08`	`purl`	`ACTION butts his nose into whatever you were discussing right there and dumps his opinion on you like a metric ton of feces. Mikk never sleeps, he edits`
`01:59.09`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`Lopeppeppy`
`01:59.09`	`JoshBorke`	`~quote Mikk`
`01:59.12`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`don't say i didn't warn you`
`01:59.17`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Furry [nsfw]`
`01:59.27`	`JoshBorke`	`purl, quote mikk is <reply>ï»¿Mikk: furry diaper porn`
`01:59.31`	`Mikk`	`i never say N/A that much`
`01:59.46`	`JoshBorke`	`what happened to purl?`
`01:59.48`	`JoshBorke`	`o.O`
`01:59.52`	`Mikk`	`you're using the wrong command nubcake`
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`01:59.58`	`Cairenn`	`I have no idea, but I hope it stops :p`
`02:00.02`	`Mikk`	`you're thinking of emulate`
`02:00.02`	`JoshBorke`	`oh well, you get the point`
`02:00.11`	`JoshBorke`	`no, i don't want to change your emulate`
`02:00.31`	`Tekkub`	`cair, just get rid of purl`
`02:00.38`	`Tekkub`	`it's a useless bot anyway`
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`02:00.52`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`nou`
`02:00.55`	`Anaral`	`Digsby Beta wins the next IRC Client test. :D`
`02:00.59`	`Mikk`	`QUOTE: Desc: Frontend to yahoo's online stock market share listing Usage: quote <query...> Example: quote RHAT,MSFT`
`02:01.04`	`Mikk`	`~quote MSFT`
`02:01.37`	`Tekkub`	`~quote CRAP`
`02:02.20`	`JoshBorke`	`Cairenn: we should just get rid of Tekkub, he's useless anyway`
`02:02.48`	`JoshBorke`	`who's laughing now!`
`02:02.50`	`JoshBorke`	`muwahaha`
`02:03.01`	`*** kick/#WoWUIDev [JoshBorke!n=Cairenn@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn] by Cairenn (I am)`
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`02:03.08`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I would be, but my throat totally just closed up and my body jumped 5 degrees`
`02:03.13`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Gogo allergic reactions!`
`02:03.13`	`Tekkub`	`hehe`
`02:03.18`	`JoshBorke`	`how does a body jump 5 degrees?`
`02:03.21`	`Cairenn`	`ScytheBlade1: not good!`
`02:03.22`	`JoshBorke`	`did i miss a temp?`
`02:03.26`	`ScytheBlade1`	`copystring: nope!`
`02:03.29`	`ScytheBlade1`	`err`
`02:03.32`	`ScytheBlade1`	`heh my head hurts`
`02:03.35`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Cairenn: nope!`
`02:03.35`	`JoshBorke`	`lol`
`02:03.38`	`ScytheBlade1`	`copystring: sorry, mistab`
`02:03.39`	`JoshBorke`	`Cairenn: <3`
`02:03.54`	`Cairenn`	`JoshBorke: ;)`
`02:04.07`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Note to self: no more Zomig`
`02:04.08`	`Cairenn`	`ScytheBlade1: benadryl`
`02:04.15`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Cairenn: way ahead of you`
`02:04.21`	`Cairenn`	`hope so`
`02:04.21`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Cairenn: but thanks for the thought :)`
`02:04.28`	`JoshBorke`	`yea, benadryl is the shit`
`02:04.30`	`Lopeppeppy`	`ScytheBlade1: More.`
`02:04.34`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I live on that stuff`
`02:04.37`	`ScytheBlade1`	`heh`
`02:04.49`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I have a pitcher of... more or less ice with some water in it`
`02:04.53`	`ScytheBlade1`	`With a lid that has a spout`
`02:05.02`	`ScytheBlade1`	`It's helping a lot`
`02:05.28`	`Cairenn`	`yeah, well, no dying on us, really puts a damper on the mood`
`02:05.39`	`ScytheBlade1`	`haha`
`02:05.39`	`Lopeppeppy`	`What did you get alleric to this time?`
`02:05.42`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Yes, yes it would`
`02:05.52`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Zomig, one of the trial meds I was given for my headaches`
`02:06.11`	`ScytheBlade1`	`... now that I think about it, it worked wonderfully`
`02:06.14`	`Cairenn`	`forgot to check the non-medicinal ingredients before taking?`
`02:06.31`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Less the numbness in the arms, throat closing up, and sudden breakout in sweat`
`02:06.39`	`ScytheBlade1`	`No, nothing special attached to it`
`02:06.47`	`JoshBorke`	`"allergic to this time" does that mean it is a common occurrence?`
`02:06.47`	`ScytheBlade1`	`No special requirements`
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`02:07.17`	`ScytheBlade1`	`JoshBorke: nah, but... heh`
`02:07.47`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I was allergic to one of my pain meds, took me a hell of an argument to convince them I could be allergic to Neurontin.`
`02:07.48`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Turns out that some time after I turned 18, I developed a rather deep subconsious fear of needles`
`02:08.04`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Went in for a routine immunization, and fainted shortly after I was given it`
`02:08.05`	`Tekkub`	`after?`
`02:08.08`	`Cairenn`	`why in god's name they'd put aspartame in a pill that you swallow is completely beyond me`
`02:08.08`	`Tekkub`	`I hate them`
`02:08.25`	`Tekkub`	`yea damn that asspartame`
`02:08.27`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Other times I've thrown up, and other random things`
`02:08.33`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`so the tiny hole in your stomach that the aspartame burns lets the medicine pool and stay concentrated`
`02:08.37`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`of course`
`02:08.40`	`Corrodias`	`lol`
`02:08.53`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Cairenn: that too is not good`
`02:08.54`	`JoshBorke`	`aspartame being as weetner?`
`02:08.58`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Go modern medicine!`
`02:09.00`	`Cairenn`	`yes`
`02:09.02`	`JoshBorke`	`man, i mis my spaces way too much`
`02:10.13`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Mmmm, salt`
`02:10.21`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Mmm, ice`
`02:10.21`	`Tekkub`	`salt FTFW`
`02:10.23`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Mmm, water`
`02:10.23`	`Cairenn`	`Lopeppeppy: nod!!!`
`02:11.53`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I have sour cream and onion chips. I'm a day ahead of you.`
`02:12.47`	`Tekkub`	`I have corn on the cob, I wil`
`02:12.48`	`Tekkub`	`*win`
`02:13.00`	`Tekkub`	`tastes great AND flosses at the same time`
`02:13.38`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I don't eat crunchyfoods.`
`02:14.09`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`... ANY crunchy foods?`
`02:14.42`	`ScytheBlade1`	`ah-HA`
`02:14.46`	`ScytheBlade1`	`A thing of ice cream`
`02:14.48`	`Lopeppeppy`	`No pickles or corn on the cob or caramels or whole apples or stuff like that.`
`02:14.53`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Ice cream is godlike.`
`02:14.54`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`:o`
`02:15.03`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Coldstone Cookie Batter ice cream too`
`02:15.20`	`Tekkub`	`CS FTFW!`
`02:15.59`	`Lopeppeppy`	`NightHawkTheSane, I still have icecream.`
`02:16.27`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`but.. but.. fresh and crisp apples? corn on the cob? popcorn?!? cry`
`02:17.38`	`ScytheBlade1`	`NightHawkTheSane: caramel and toffee dipped apple imo`
`02:17.47`	`ScytheBlade1`	`NightHawkTheSane: choclate mixed in is acceptable too`
`02:18.01`	`Lopeppeppy`	`NightHawkTheSane, I just cut up my apples.`
`02:18.03`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Popcorn I can do, it's not huge.`
`02:18.08`	`bleeter`	`i must be a total noob @ wow`
`02:18.15`	`bleeter`	`i just discovered you can fish while sitting down`
`02:19.08`	`ScytheBlade1`	`watches the channel try`
`02:19.12`	`Tekkub`	`quick check woot!`
`02:20.25`	`bleeter`	`must admit though, it's not as impressive as spending hours /follow'ing someone occasionally healing them and getting tagged with auto /afk permanently`
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`02:36.56`	`Tem`	`ZA BEAR BOSS`
`02:37.01`	`Tem`	`Which form hits harder?`
`02:37.20`	`Lukian`	`the bleeds :P`
`02:40.12`	`Cairenn`	`heh`
`02:42.39`	`Kaso`	`Salt? for what reason have you acquired salt`
`02:45.25`	`Cairenn`	`Kaso: craving it`
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`02:45.32`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`my wager is for seasoning food`
`02:45.34`	`Cairenn`	`I tend to crave salt a lot, not sure why`
`02:45.37`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`but really, who knows what Cairenn could be up to`
`02:45.53`	`Kaso`	`Hmm, interesting, perhaps you dont eat enough salt in your normal diet`
`02:46.04`	`Kaso`	`or perhaps you are a horse who needs a salt-lick`
`02:46.07`	`Kaso`	`its hard to say`
`02:46.10`	`Cairenn`	`lol`
`02:47.12`	`Kaso`	`so you just eat the salt, like, raw? (not the best word but you get the idea)`
`02:47.18`	`Cairenn`	`no`
`02:47.28`	`Cairenn`	`(2008-06-20 22:09:40) ***Cairenn poofs for a bit, need salt, must go buy chips`
`02:47.33`	`Cairenn`	`(2008-06-20 22:39:32) ***Cairenn returns, having acquired salt`
`02:47.38`	`Cairenn`	`aka chips`
`02:47.43`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`salt & vinegar chips?`
`02:47.43`	`Kaso`	`Ah, didnt notice the start`
`02:47.55`	`Cairenn`	`naw, just regular`
`02:47.58`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`ahh`
`02:48.05`	`Cairenn`	`and spoiling myself, got dip too`
`02:48.07`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`shame, salt & vinegar is awesome`
`02:48.10`	`Kaso`	`Ah, damn i forget that american chips arent proper chips ><`
`02:48.18`	`Kaso`	`Chips to me are "fries"`
`02:48.25`	`Cairenn`	`Kaso: crisps`
`02:48.32`	`Cairenn`	`Kaso: and I'm not American :p`
`02:48.52`	`Kaso`	`oh? i presumed you were`
`02:49.01`	`Cairenn`	`you presumed incorrectly`
`02:49.05`	`Cairenn`	`<== Canuck`
`02:49.24`	`Cairenn`	`:)`
`02:50.23`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Yeah, it's her only long-standing bug.`
`02:50.25`	`Kaso`	`Ah, well i guess you have an excuse for saying chips then, what with the french connection.`
`02:50.28`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Despite what we try, it persists.`
`02:50.37`	`Cairenn`	`Kaso: not french, either, thanks`
`02:50.57`	`Cairenn`	`ancestry completely celt`
`02:50.58`	`Kaso`	`Well no but canadian has francophone influance`
`02:51.20`	`Kaso`	`well, canada i should say not canadian`
`02:51.28`	`Cairenn`	`and fries aren't fries, they're chips`
`02:51.30`	`Cairenn`	`;)`
`02:51.43`	`Cairenn`	`but yeah, I use chips for both`
`02:51.44`	`Kaso`	`im confused now`
`02:51.56`	`Kaso`	`doesnt that get a bit difficult?`
`02:52.06`	`Cairenn`	`no, context is everything`
`02:52.19`	`Kaso`	`"i want chips!" "here" "no the other chips!"`
`02:52.30`	`Cairenn`	`context dear, context`
`02:53.05`	`Cairenn`	`munchies chips = crisps, food chips = fries`
`02:53.48`	`Cairenn`	`it's all in the context :)`
`02:54.24`	`Kaso`	`heh`
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`03:21.11`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Question: UnitReaction() will return one of 8 different values. What values mean they'll attack you? neutral? (Aside from the obvious) friend?`
`03:21.32`	`Corrodias`	`it's just a random value.`
`03:21.52`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Hmm. DevTools put me at "Very Hostile" in BRD. :-\`
`03:21.53`	`Corrodias`	`it indicates how many USD you must send to Blizzard to get the answer.`
`03:22.06`	`\|Jelly\|`	`So 2? That's not too bad.`
`03:22.14`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Or do you mean each time the function is called?`
`03:22.47`	`Tekkub`	`http://www.wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitReaction`
`03:22.51`	`Corrodias`	`i don't know; they didn't bother to publish the API! :o`
`03:23.06`	`Corrodias`	`to be safe, you should probably mail some each time it's called`
`03:23.07`	`Tekkub`	`Hated and maybe hostile will attack`
`03:23.20`	`Tekkub`	`not sure on hostile but think they attack`
`03:23.20`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Tekkub: I actually have the book. It still doesn't answer the KoS question. :(`
`03:23.28`	`Tekkub`	`the what?`
`03:23.35`	`Corrodias`	`yes, hated and hostile attack on sight`
`03:23.56`	`\|Jelly\|`	`The book, WoW Programming.`
`03:23.59`	`Corrodias`	`unfriendly doesn't, but most NPC functions are unavailable at that level`
`03:24.05`	`Tekkub`	`yes I know the book`
`03:24.09`	`Tekkub`	`obviously :P`
`03:24.12`	`\|Jelly\|`	`:P`
`03:24.24`	`Tekkub`	`it's not like clad used any of my code in there :P`
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`03:24.54`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Shh. He might be watching!`
`03:25.12`	`\|Jelly\|`	`AHHH!`
`03:25.21`	`\|Jelly\|`	`oh man`
`03:25.21`	`clad\|watching`	`stupid typo`
`03:25.42`	`clad\|watching`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:25.44`	`Corrodias`	`i can't believe i actually considered doing the bloodsail grind, back in the day`
`03:26.09`	`Corrodias`	`i don't want to say i was addicted, but it sure sounds like it`
`03:26.26`	`Tekkub`	`I never understood that grind`
`03:26.42`	`Tekkub`	`I mean, hell, Netherwing is easier, and for a GOOD reward`
`03:26.45`	`Corrodias`	`see, you get a hat, at the end.`
`03:26.57`	`Corrodias`	`a hat that not a lot of other people have.`
`03:27.14`	`Tekkub`	`yea but it's crap`
`03:27.24`	`Corrodias`	`so it proves that you went and did a hatefully long grind, that other people didn't. somehow, this makes you superior and does not make you a worthless waste of human organs.`
`03:27.44`	`Tekkub`	`organs with a stupid hat`
`03:29.49`	`Corrodias`	`i recall seeing, some time ago, an analysis of the forces that drive people to play games. people's gaming personalities were analyzed by their strength of desire in 4 categories. one was exploration, one was socializing...`
`03:30.12`	`Tain`	`Mental illness, don't forget mental illness.`
`03:31.00`	`Corrodias`	`anyway, i play games to "live" new experiences, see new things. killing thousands of little green men should not interest me.`
`03:31.08`	`Corrodias`	`even if you get a little hat for it`
`03:31.34`	`dylanm`	`DID SOMEONE SAY HAT`
`03:32.25`	`Tekkub`	`Corrodias, Lemmings covers the green men`
`03:34.37`	`Corrodias`	`exactly.`
`03:35.10`	`Tekkub`	`and do these 4 categories include writing addons`
`03:35.40`	`Tekkub`	`cause I don't have anything left to explore except raids, and social is minor for me (I have IRC for that)`
`03:36.48`	`Corrodias`	`no, but writing addons doesn't make you actually play it...`
`03:36.56`	`Corrodias`	`playing with your addons could be Creativity, if that was one of the forces`
`03:37.57`	`Tekkub`	`I have to log in to work on addons`
`03:38.01`	`Tain`	`It's an argument I've had with a couple of different people who are working for companies developing MMOGs. (The people I know aren't in dvelopment though.)`
`03:38.03`	`Tekkub`	`I have to log in to socialize`
`03:38.09`	`Tekkub`	`neither require "playing"`
`03:38.18`	`Corrodias`	`Achiever, Killer, Socializer or Explorer`
`03:38.23`	`Corrodias`	`those are the four, that's right`
`03:38.31`	`Tain`	`I maintain that any game that doesn't provide WoW-like levels of customization of the client will be a step behind no matter what their content is.`
`03:38.53`	`Tekkub`	`so we have raider, pvpenis, guildie and soloist`
`03:39.11`	`Corrodias`	`too right, Tain. the UI customization was a vital part of keeping me hooked for a couple of years`
`03:39.20`	`Tekkub`	`Tain, yes, very much so`
`03:39.26`	`Tekkub`	`remembers FFXI`
`03:39.29`	`Corrodias`	`it gave me a way to keep adding "new" things to the experience that the game itself didn't provide`
`03:39.33`	`Tekkub`	`such a beautiful game....`
`03:39.42`	`Tekkub`	`just don't ALT TAB YOU MIGHT BOT`
`03:39.53`	`Tekkub`	`intentional crash`
`03:40.24`	`Tain`	`Even things since then. DDO, LOTRO, the Pirates one... had good things, but the static client was painful for me.`
`03:40.42`	`Corrodias`	`back when i took this "test", i think i got the result of my order of priorities as EASK`
`03:41.14`	`Tain`	`The only one I give a pass to is City of Heroes/Villains becuase I still think it's one of the most pure fun MMOGs.`
`03:41.31`	`Corrodias`	`the A and a bit of S are what kept me entertained during the long, long stretches between E's.`
`03:41.35`	`Tekkub`	`I liked rings' dwarves (they even forced me to come up with a last name)... but then I did the first quest/mission/instance/whatever`
`03:41.57`	`Corrodias`	`what was that like?`
`03:42.09`	`Tekkub`	`I wanted to stab the narrator`
`03:42.21`	`Tekkub`	`wait that was DDO`
`03:42.30`	`Tekkub`	`see I don't even remember what I was playing`
`03:42.35`	`Tekkub`	`I got out as fast as I could`
`03:42.47`	`Tekkub`	`I never touched rings`
`03:43.08`	`Corrodias`	`lol`
`03:43.13`	`Tain`	`It had good stuff, but it's just not enough to be good.`
`03:43.49`	`Tain`	`Not that I play anything anymore. But I mostly try everything when it comes out just to see.`
`03:44.25`	`Tekkub`	`I don't know exactly why we tried it, but we didn't even last a day`
`03:44.44`	`Tekkub`	`I liked my dorf, but that was the only thing I liked`
`03:44.52`	`Corrodias`	`i am replaying Wind Waker. forgot how much fun the game is during the beginning.`
`03:48.20`	`Corrodias`	`this is the one, http://www.gamerdna.com/bartle.php`
`03:48.57`	`Corrodias`	`i love their little characters`
`03:49.13`	`Kaso`	`i would`
`03:49.15`	`Kaso`	`grr`
`03:49.21`	`Kaso`	`woops`
`03:49.23`	`Kaso`	`wrong channel`
`03:49.28`	`Corrodias`	`enlightening!`
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`03:54.04`	`Corrodias`	`after this... perhaps i'll replay KOTOR, this time with a dark side focus.`
`03:54.49`	`Kaso`	`you mean you didnt play through kotor as dark side first time?`
`03:54.52`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i need to play windwaker... one of the few zeldas ive never dne >.>`
`03:54.59`	`Kaso`	`i thought everyone played kotor as dark side`
`03:55.07`	`Kaso`	`its like the only fun way!`
`03:55.58`	`Corrodias`	`nope, i'm a neutral good/neutral kind of guy with a focus on exploration and achievement`
`03:56.14`	`Corrodias`	`my natural tendency in a game is to be the hero`
`03:56.41`	`Corrodias`	`well, when the game forces choices like that, anyway`
`03:57.12`	`Kaso`	`hmm, interesting. Perhaps it is telling about my personality that i always chose the evil/dickish path ;p`
`03:57.40`	`Corrodias`	`it surely means something, although without detailed analysis, there's no telling what it means`
`03:58.15`	`Kaso`	`i played kotor2 before i played kotor though so i sort of knew what was coming.`
`03:58.53`	`Kaso`	`I named my charater "Revan" which let to the awesome quote "I am not revan any more, i now go by the name revan!"`
`03:59.10`	`Corrodias`	`shh, spoilers`
`03:59.15`	`Corrodias`	`although that makes me chuckle`
`03:59.53`	`Kaso`	`pssh, 5 year old game, i think spoilers expire after that long :>`
`04:01.10`	`Kaso`	`anyhoo, bed for me.`
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`04:08.55`	`Corrodias`	`Wind Waker is an interesting game. it has its flaws, but the visual style is not among them. at least for me, it's fantastic.`
`04:12.54`	`Corrodias`	`i think the flaws come in mostly during the last parts of the game. i don't remember exactly how it goes, but it think you're wandering around a very large, very sparse game world looking for objects`
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`04:27.09`	`Tekkub`	`sweet, got my batch auction poster working, time to wrap a GUI around it`
`04:29.08`	`Drundia`	`grrrr this fire festival is more gold for nothing.....`
`04:29.24`	`dylanm`	`That's almost certainly the idea.`
`04:29.35`	`Tekkub`	`yea what's the boss drop besides cloaks ane a rare ass pet?`
`04:30.20`	`Corrodias`	`my achiever spirit is leaping at the idea of doing something for a token reward`
`04:30.30`	`Corrodias`	`and i say NO. i will not play.`
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`04:31.14`	`dylanm`	`Tekkub: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=35514`
`04:31.32`	`Tekkub`	`ah yes, I'm a healer :P`
`04:31.49`	`dylanm`	`It's for looks I think.`
`04:32.14`	`Tekkub`	`melee, tank and healer cloaks`
`04:32.22`	`dylanm`	`http://livetowin.zaidink.com/images/news/2008/march/frostscythelordahune.jpg`
`04:32.24`	`Tekkub`	`majick DPS weapon`
`04:32.27`	`Tekkub`	`minipet`
`04:33.23`	`Tekkub`	`and the token rewards don't interest me in the slightest, I have the pet from last year`
`04:33.29`	`Tekkub`	`give me a damn mount`
`04:33.46`	`Corrodias`	`i'm off to continue Wind Waker. i have to hit the KVM switch because the tuner card is in my other computer, so talk to you stooges later!`
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`04:34.00`	`Tekkub`	`I _WILL_ be getting a kodo on all my allys come spewfest`
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`05:24.00`	`Drundia`	`"Increases critical strik percent by 3" - did they finally learn english? :O`
`05:24.09`	`Tekkub`	`dance dance dance`
`05:24.23`	`Tekkub`	`I found a guild willing to take me to get a ZA bear for 10kg`
`05:25.08`	`Tekkub`	`I have 11.5kg at the moment... hoping I can bump it up a bunch more come tuesday`
`05:25.21`	`Drundia`	`hmmm was there alliance town in badlands?`
`05:25.35`	`Tekkub`	`badlands? no`
`05:58.16`	`Thunder_Child`	`http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/06/martian_skies.html`
`06:01.33`	`Sixen`	`Anyone here?`
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`06:01.58`	`Cairenn`	`nope`
`06:01.58`	`Thunder_Child`	`no`
`06:02.03`	`Sixen`	`k`
`06:02.10`	`Sixen`	`Can you guys do me a quick favor when you are here?`
`06:02.13`	`Cairenn`	`come back later`
`06:02.23`	`Sixen`	`Oh, ok. I'll leave a message after the BEEP.`
`06:02.25`	`Thunder_Child`	`we could....`
`06:02.29`	`Thunder_Child`	`whats the incentive?`
`06:02.49`	`Sixen`	`I have your pet level 4 Boar.`
`06:02.52`	`Sixen`	`Help me and he lives.`
`06:03.15`	`Thunder_Child`	`uhhh....thats about 30 seconds to get another`
`06:03.20`	`Thunder_Child`	`and a new name!`
`06:03.21`	`Sixen`	`-_-`
`06:03.34`	`Sixen`	`Check the PTR Forums and see if there's only 3 pages of posts?`
`06:03.47`	`Sixen`	`There are threads that exist in the PTR forums, but aren't really there. /confuse`
`06:04.02`	`Sixen`	`They're like... invisible. You can see them in post history and that's it.`
`06:04.04`	`kd3`	`that's the caching messing up`
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`06:04.11`	`Sixen`	`hm`
`06:04.25`	`Thunder_Child`	`it's working for me`
`06:04.30`	`Sixen`	`How many pages are there?`
`06:04.31`	`Thunder_Child`	`lots of posts`
`06:04.38`	`Thunder_Child`	`oh..3`
`06:05.21`	`Thunder_Child`	`however, if you put in 4 at the No= part it goes`
`06:05.22`	`Sixen`	`hmm`
`06:05.27`	`Thunder_Child`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=11572&sort=1&desc=true&sid=1&pageNo=4`
`06:05.37`	`Sixen`	`O_O!`
`06:05.38`	`Sixen`	`Odd.`
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`07:14.07`	`Thunder_Child`	`CAKE OR DEATH!`
`07:14.38`	`wereHamster`	`cake please`
`07:14.46`	`Thunder_Child`	`well...fine`
`07:14.53`	`Thunder_Child`	`YOU, CAKE OR DEATH!`
`07:17.10`	`wereHamster`	`hah, nobody wants because they all know you're out of cakes!`
`07:17.56`	`Thunder_Child`	`LIES! I AM THE CHURCH OF ENGLAND WE DO NOT RUN OUT OF CAK....wait what? out of..but..we...WE ARE OUT OF CAKES!`
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`07:18.55`	`Thunder_Child`	`WE STILL HAVE PLENTY OF DEATH HOWEVER!`
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`07:24.24`	`Fisker-`	`what's a doges`
`07:24.25`	`Fisker-`	`owned`
`07:24.52`	`Tekkub`	`so when does the stupid summer event actually start`
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`07:25.25`	`Thunder_Child`	`Fisker-, hardly owned, owning me in spelling is like outrunning a dead person`
`07:26.08`	`Fisker-`	`that's not the point`
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`07:33.20`	`Drundia`	`Tekkub: it's already going here`
`07:33.36`	`Drundia`	`i believe something like 4:00 server time should be good`
`07:34.16`	`cncfanatics`	`so, I'm buying a new laptop soon, can anyone link me the processor, motherboard and gfx card they'd recommend ?`
`07:35.00`	`amro`	`core 2 duo and steer clear of anything with ATI on it`
`07:35.58`	`hi11ie`	`if you have a fontstring aligned to the right of its parent (topright, topright) and its text is right justified, is there any reason why the x offset wouldn't be taking effect?`
`07:36.05`	`hi11ie`	`it takes effect on the left side but not the right`
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`07:44.25`	`Fisker-`	`oh u amro`
`07:45.32`	`amro`	`sup Fisker-`
`07:45.57`	`cncfanatics`	`Fisker-: you know some stuff about laptops don't you ?`
`07:46.57`	`amro`	`if you can afford it, http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/`
`07:51.13`	`Fisker-`	`lolmac`
`07:51.32`	`Fisker-`	`ati is on their way back btw`
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`07:54.24`	`Thunder_Child`	`not really Fisker-`
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`07:56.58`	`cncfanatics`	`back`
`07:57.00`	`cncfanatics`	`damn disconnect`
`07:57.24`	`Thunder_Child`	`cncfanatics, you missed all the hot people in here while you were gone`
`07:57.36`	`Thunder_Child`	`it was one hell of a party`
`07:58.23`	`Fisker-`	`yes rly Thunder_Child`
`07:58.46`	`cncfanatics`	`~lart Thunder_Child`
`07:58.46`	`purl`	`executes killall -HUP Thunder_Child`
`07:58.49`	`Fisker-`	`btw cncfanatics i know nothings`
`07:59.23`	`Thunder_Child`	`Fisker-, ati is on it's way back like amd is on it's way back.....`
`07:59.40`	`cncfanatics`	`both ati & amd fail atm though`
`07:59.53`	`Thunder_Child`	`thats my point`
`08:00.03`	`Tekkub`	`will hooking ContainerFrameItemButton_OnModifiedClick taint?`
`08:00.20`	`Tekkub`	`s/taint/destructively taint/`
`08:01.17`	`hi11ie`	`if you have a fontstring aligned to the right of its parent (topright, topright) and its text is right justified, is there any reason why the x offset wouldn't be taking effect?`
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`08:10.11`	`Tekkub`	`stupid fire festival rewards with their stupid expiration`
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`08:10.17`	`Tekkub`	`14 days FTFL`
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`08:16.50`	`Hapnintwo`	`Hi`
`08:19.22`	`Thunder_Child`	`Low`
`08:22.35`	`wereHamster`	`Thunder_Child: but you gotta give amd/ati credit for releasing the GPU specs`
`08:23.23`	`Thunder_Child`	`wereHamster, i can give them all the credit in the world but if they are not coming out with top of the line hardware in each bracket it's not worth it`
`08:24.32`	`wereHamster`	`what for is top of the line HW if there are no drivers for it?`
`08:25.31`	`Thunder_Child`	`nvidia has always had drivers for me`
`08:26.05`	`amro`	`wereHamster: too little, too late. it's not going to save my bricked laptop for instance, and their drivers are still as bad as ever`
`08:26.20`	`wereHamster`	`if you're on windows, I guess so`
`08:27.02`	`Thunder_Child`	`if ati/amd do a lesser % then it's both a niche market and not on top`
`08:27.44`	`Thunder_Child`	`intel can shove amd into the ground with ease, ati is a little more evenly matched with nvidia`
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`08:31.24`	`amro`	`speaking of crappy ati drivers, they just froze X`
`08:31.55`	`wereHamster`	`use xf86-video-radeonhd`
`08:33.45`	`amro`	`I need 3D hardware acceleration`
`08:33.54`	`wereHamster`	`it has 3d acceleration`
`08:34.37`	`amro`	`for 9600?`
`08:38.35`	`amro`	`looks like it doesn't`
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`08:46.42`	`Drundia`	`ati drivers totally ftl :(`
`08:47.06`	`Drundia`	`on the other hand amd cpus work fine`
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`10:05.47`	`Fisker-`	`btw Cairenn`
`10:05.59`	`Fisker-`	`wow-europe.com's community team removed the magelo reference now`
`10:06.10`	`Fisker-`	`so it's pretty safe to assume that it's not allowed :P`
`10:06.21`	`cncfanatics`	`magelo reference ? :o`
`10:06.32`	`Fisker-`	`yeah`
`10:06.40`	`Fisker-`	`that program that violates the ToS`
`10:06.52`	`Fisker-`	`people said it might not because it was linked to at wow-euorpe.com`
`10:07.00`	`Fisker-`	`but i mailed them and they removed the link`
`10:33.28`	`foxlit`	`Miss the ability to edit other people's comments on WoWI`
`10:33.54`	`foxlit`	`Or, well, any sort of moderation ability within addon comments.`
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`11:52.43`	`cncfanatics`	`anyone here from the EU in a raiding guild that recruits rogues ?`
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`12:18.08`	`Mikk`	`cncfanatics: might want to specify the faction =)`
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`12:26.47`	`Lunessa`	`HAHAHA`
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`13:33.14`	`cncfanatics`	`any horde EU raiding guild recruiting any rogues ?`
`13:46.00`	`Lunessa`	`... Decided to trade up for content finally?`
`13:47.41`	`cncfanatics`	`trade up for content ? what do you mean ? :p`
`13:47.46`	`wereHamster`	`cncfanatics: I'm sure there is one..`
`13:47.56`	`cncfanatics`	`wereHamster: can't find any anywhere :s`
`13:48.11`	`wereHamster`	`I'll make one for you ;)`
`13:48.21`	`cncfanatics`	`~lart wereHamster`
`13:48.21`	`purl`	`shoves a crumpet down wereHamster's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that?`
`13:48.56`	`wereHamster`	`aw, why so hostile?`
`13:50.30`	`cncfanatics`	`blame purl`
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`14:22.42`	`ckknight`	`what class is Jewelcrafting best for?`
`14:23.24`	`nevcairiel`	`any, i guess`
`14:23.49`	`nevcairiel`	`the rewards are pretty balanced`
`14:23.56`	`nevcairiel`	`as they are only trinkets etc`
`14:24.42`	`cncfanatics`	`any class has decent JC rewards`
`14:24.52`	`cncfanatics`	`being JC/alchy myself`
`14:24.56`	`cncfanatics`	`I must say its also damned profitable`
`14:25.14`	`cncfanatics`	`can make 1k gold on a good day`
`14:33.45`	`Lunessa`	`ckknight: They were clever and made gem cuts good for everyone, and the "j/c only trinkets" good for every class.`
`14:33.58`	`ckknight`	`hrm`
`14:34.14`	`ckknight`	`contemplating having my warrior be a jc`
`14:34.42`	`Lunessa`	`If you're worried about getting the "best" then Draenei get a racial for j/c. So any class space goat will benefit.`
`14:35.16`	`ckknight`	`Tauren`
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`14:35.28`	`ckknight`	`:-P`
`14:35.32`	`ckknight`	`I'm a Tauren Warrior`
`14:35.38`	`ckknight`	`just contemplating my profession choices`
`14:35.59`	`Lunessa`	`Mooooo. There. You happy now?`
`14:36.30`	`ckknight`	`...yes`
`14:36.39`	`Lunessa`	`Actually, if you're going to do J/C and you don't already have a character who is maxxed out on mining those two paired are so money.`
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`14:37.25`	`ckknight`	`Mining/JC was what I was thinking`
`14:38.36`	`Lunessa`	`My warlock does that. It's choice. Get one of the biggest mining bags and gem bags. Fill one, then prospect it to fill the other, then fill the mining bag again... CHA-CHING. Skill-ups and cash.`
`14:38.45`	`cncfanatics`	`ckknight: imho, pick mining, JC`
`14:38.50`	`cncfanatics`	`and when you're 70and have about 1000 gold`
`14:38.57`	`cncfanatics`	`drop mining and level alchemy from AH to 350`
`14:39.06`	`ckknight`	`hrm`
`14:39.09`	`cncfanatics`	`it only takes about 600-700 gold to do that on my server (and its an expensive one)`
`14:39.16`	`Lunessa`	`Depending on the age of your server and the size of the newbie population, you'll be able to sell the low-end stuff as you level up.`
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`14:57.32`	`Lunessa`	`Heh, the UI & Macros Forum looks like I get paid to respond...`
`14:57.47`	`Anaral`	`Lol`
`14:58.22`	`Lunessa`	`~lart fisker`
`14:58.22`	`purl`	`beats fisker severely about the head and shoulders with a rubber chicken`
`14:58.25`	`Fisker-`	`no u`
`14:58.26`	`Fisker-`	`also`
`14:58.26`	`Fisker-`	`i won`
`14:58.48`	`Lunessa`	`which one of you programmed purl to say "...station" when I login?`
`14:59.00`	`Anaral`	`Lol`
`14:59.45`	`nevcairiel`	`lol`
`15:00.25`	`nevcairiel`	`I dont even know the command to it`
`15:01.56`	`wereHamster`	`this is the command: /msg purl help`
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`15:02.09`	`nevcairiel`	`no, its not`
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`15:02.13`	`Fisker-`	`i could destroy you Lunessa`
`15:02.15`	`nevcairiel`	`and i dont care enough to look it up`
`15:03.03`	`Anaral`	`~hex`
`15:04.05`	`wereHamster`	`nevcairiel: no, not quite, but you will find the command eventually`
`15:04.08`	`Fisker-`	`<-invincible`
`15:04.24`	`Fisker-`	`[17:02:15] <nevcairiel> and i dont care enough to look it up`
`15:04.31`	`Lunessa`	`Fisker-: If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.`
`15:04.44`	`Fisker-`	`nah`
`15:04.58`	`Anaral`	`~piglatin Hello channel.`
`15:05.07`	`Anaral`	`Woot!`
`15:05.23`	`nevcairiel`	`lol`
`15:06.20`	`Anaral`	`~wtf purl`
`15:06.26`	`Anaral`	`lol`
`15:07.11`	`Anaral`	`Oh gods my husband doesn't know about the computer program Eliza. He's so deprived.`
`15:07.26`	`cncfanatics`	`I don't either :o`
`15:07.33`	`Anaral`	`o.O`
`15:08.14`	`nevcairiel`	`~eliza`
`15:08.15`	`purl`	`well, eliza is "<action> is in love with eliza"`
`15:08.25`	`nevcairiel`	`someone fails at making factoids`
`15:08.26`	`Anaral`	`Just the best program that ever was created for a computer! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA Educate yourself`
`15:08.54`	`Anaral`	`~who eliza`
`15:08.55`	`purl`	`[eliza] "<action> is in love with eliza"`
`15:09.00`	`Anaral`	`bah.`
`15:09.10`	`cncfanatics`	`I already am`
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`15:10.08`	`Lunessa`	`Why do you feel that <action> is in love with eliza?`
`15:10.34`	`nevcairiel`	`the original eliza is kinda stupid`
`15:11.59`	`Anaral`	`~unforget Eliza`
`15:11.59`	`purl`	`Anaral: cannot undeleted 'eliza' because it already exists!`
`15:16.05`	`Adys`	`~remember gramma`
`15:16.06`	`purl`	`How can i forget about gramma ? That person is the greatest <fill in whatever is appropriate> in the whole wide world !`
`15:16.09`	`Adys`	`~remember grammar`
`15:16.09`	`purl`	`How can i forget about grammar ? That person is the greatest <fill in whatever is appropriate> in the whole wide world !`
`15:16.10`	`Adys`	`:(`
`15:16.56`	`Lunessa`	`English, Motherfucker! Do you speak it?`
`15:17.29`	`Anaral`	`Grr, I really wish IRC played a specified sound with a new message, instead of the stupid beep.`
`15:17.51`	`Lunessa`	`That depends entirely on your client and settings.`
`15:18.05`	`Anaral`	`I'm back to mIRC.`
`15:18.28`	`Adys`	`www.silverex.org`
`15:18.31`	`Anaral`	`If the window isn't on top I get the beep.`
`15:18.40`	`Adys`	`get xchat from there, its decent :)`
`15:18.41`	`Anaral`	`I don't like xchat.`
`15:18.49`	`Anaral`	`Tried it yesterday.`
`15:18.51`	`Adys`	`well its better than mirc`
`15:18.59`	`Adys`	`not that thats hard ><`
`15:19.02`	`Anaral`	`I want sound control.`
`15:19.06`	`Adys`	`its in xchat`
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`15:19.36`	`Anaral`	`That's it. Maybe a little color control too, but without sounds, I'd forget the window exists. >.<`
`15:19.47`	`Adys`	`its in xchat too`
`15:19.48`	`Adys`	`:P`
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`15:19.56`	`Adys`	`mIRC is the IE of IRC clients`
`15:20.05`	`Lunessa`	`Everyone has their favorites.`
`15:22.29`	`Fisker-`	`why yes mirc is pretty damn awesome`
`15:22.50`	`Anaral`	`Okay, nm, for some reason I thought I had tried xchat yesterday but looking at the site again, I don't think I did. So um, lets try it now. :D`
`15:23.56`	`Anaral`	`No, Adys is right, it's the IE of IRC clients. :p`
`15:24.24`	`Anaral`	`But so far I've yet to find a firefox of irc. And no, chatzilla is not so great.... not really.`
`15:24.45`	`cncfanatics`	`I'd rather find an opera then a firefox`
`15:24.54`	`Fisker-`	`erll Anaral`
`15:25.00`	`Fisker-`	`then you DID find a firefox of irc`
`15:25.06`	`Fisker-`	`since chatzilla is not so great`
`15:25.08`	`Fisker-`	`just like firefox`
`15:25.11`	`cncfanatics`	`hehe`
`15:25.18`	`cncfanatics`	`<3 Fisker- (only sometimes though)`
`15:25.19`	`Adys`	`I'd rather find a webkit of IRC, huhuhu`
`15:25.29`	`Fisker-`	`or a opera of irc`
`15:25.33`	`Fisker-`	`an*`
`15:26.01`	`Adys`	`Anaral: I liked HydraIRC on windows`
`15:26.06`	`foxlit`	`you mean "the konqueror of IRC", adys.`
`15:26.25`	`Adys`	`No, konqueror is actually good`
`15:26.32`	`Anaral`	`Adys, no, no no no...`
`15:26.35`	`Adys`	`s/good/decent/`
`15:26.36`	`cncfanatics`	`konqueror is just ok'ish`
`15:26.38`	`cncfanatics`	`I rather have opera`
`15:26.39`	`Anaral`	`To Hydral`
`15:26.43`	`foxlit`	`"Adys: I'd rather find a webkit of IRC, huhuhu"`
`15:26.56`	`Anaral`	`And I don't think I tried Konqueror...`
`15:27.28`	`Adys`	`actually if you're on linux Konversation is great - so i hear`
`15:27.52`	`foxlit`	`Point is, webkit is the result of apple developing on KHTML=Konqueror codebase :)`
`15:28.21`	`Adys`	`KHTML and webkit are very different today`
`15:28.43`	`foxlit`	`as the result of apple developing on KHTML=Konqueror codebase.`
`15:29.05`	`Adys`	`so? I dont want to find any "konqueror of IRC" :P`
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`15:29.19`	`ckknight`	`assuming I'm leveling with a balance druid, what would be a good spec to go as a warrior?`
`15:29.41`	`foxlit`	`Same as if you were levelling solo, really?`
`15:29.45`	`nevcairiel`	`heh`
`15:29.47`	`Anaral`	`Agreed`
`15:29.48`	`nevcairiel`	`yeah leveling is leveling`
`15:29.50`	`foxlit`	`Just go for whatever results in things dying faster.`
`15:29.54`	`Anaral`	`And I'm a balence druid.`
`15:30.23`	`Anaral`	`Until the balence can go BOOM, it doesn't matter how you play, as long as you kill things.`
`15:30.24`	`nevcairiel`	`i always liked fury for warrior leveling`
`15:30.40`	`nevcairiel`	`arms is too slow for me :P`
`15:31.26`	`foxlit`	`[and levelling as balance = silly, really]`
`15:31.52`	`nevcairiel`	`yeah feral is so much smoother`
`15:34.33`	`Anaral`	`Why do some of these clients keep shoving windows where I can't get them without resetting my screens resolution???`
`15:34.59`	`nevcairiel`	`because they suck, obviously`
`15:36.32`	`Lunessa`	`ckknight: When I level my warrior, I usually go arms. I like Mortal Strike, but then, as a warrior "I r teh suk"`
`15:36.39`	`ckknight`	`hrm`
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`15:44.32`	`Lunessa`	`My warrior languishes at 62, rarely played. And I did 50-62 in a weeked - about ... 5 months ago.`
`15:44.53`	`Lukian`	`that's probably why ^_^`
`15:45.49`	`Lunessa`	`heh, I did the first 50 levels pre-BC as full prot. - mostly solo.`
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`15:54.28`	`cncfanatics`	`~lart Lunessa`
`15:54.28`	`purl`	`wallops Lunessa with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing. It won't take long`
`15:55.00`	`Lunessa`	`Why's everybody always picking on me?`
`15:55.06`	`cncfanatics`	`~lart Lunessa`
`15:55.06`	`purl`	`blames Lunessa for all the evil in the world`
`15:55.08`	`cncfanatics`	`just feel like it`
`15:55.27`	`Lunessa`	`The last comment made by purl is true. I am the source of all evil.`
`15:55.50`	`cncfanatics`	`lies !`
`15:56.58`	`Lunessa`	`It's true. The Evil is Me.`
`15:57.05`	`cncfanatics`	`its meeeee !`
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`16:21.43`	`Anaral`	`What command is it to set url links to open in browser on double click in XChat?`
`16:26.09`	`Lunessa`	`beats me.`
`16:26.28`	`Anaral`	`Thanks for answering though. :)`
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`16:49.12`	`foxlit`	`Hm, did they move the thunder bluff fire?`
`16:49.53`	`Anaral`	`They totally revamped the fire festival from last year.`
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`16:58.04`	`Anaral`	`Is there an easy way to use GTK+ for XChat or do I need to know how to code?`
`17:00.04`	`foxlit`	`Not exactly, the fires are still around`
`17:01.08`	`Anaral`	`Well yes. But there's now a vendor who you trade blossoms for a number of items, including the pet you got from doing instances last year.`
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`17:02.27`	`Lunessa`	`Oh boy. More currency items!`
`17:02.35`	`Anaral`	`Lol`
`17:02.53`	`Anaral`	`Aye, they definitely like their 'alternative' currency system.`
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`17:05.32`	`Lunessa`	`Actually, I like that better than "purely random loot drops" but my poor bank/inventory...`
`17:06.31`	`Anaral`	`Yeah, they need a 'coin purse' type thing, similar to your key ring.`
`17:07.39`	`foxlit`	`It's a few slots per few weeks :)`
`17:07.52`	`foxlit`	`Just destroy left-over tokens at the end of the celebration, better luck next year :)`
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`17:10.05`	`Anaral`	`brb`
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`17:11.21`	`Anaral`	`Oooh, cool. XChat saves last session. Yay!`
`17:12.16`	`Cide`	`did you switch client?`
`17:12.22`	`Anaral`	`Yep`
`17:12.29`	`Cide`	`told you xchat is the best`
`17:12.55`	`Anaral`	`Well I think you decieved me. I thought I'd have to do a lot of modifying and such.`
`17:14.28`	`Anaral`	`Cide: What is the execute command to make links open in a window upon double click?`
`17:14.54`	`Cide`	`I have no idea?`
`17:16.29`	`Anaral`	`Well if that's the only feature I don't get with xchat, I guess it'll be all right. :)`
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`17:21.02`	`Anaral`	`XChat is purdy. :D`
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`17:35.04`	`Anaral`	`For XChat how do I get the notices to load in the window, instead of its own tab?`
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`17:38.20`	`kd3`	`settings -> preferences -> "open an extra tab for server notices"`
`17:38.35`	`kd3`	`er, settings -> preferences -> channel switcher`
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`17:44.13`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`argh`
`17:44.15`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i don't get it`
`17:44.23`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`ubuntu seems to be caching itself or something somehow`
`17:45.00`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`an update breaks networking for it, so i reinstall it and it still has some of the software updates installed and tells me i have a good 200 available despite not having a network available`
`17:45.46`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i even thought i deleted partitions and stuff`
`17:45.47`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`:[`
`17:45.52`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`on my last reinstall`
`17:49.51`	`Lunessa`	`Netherbloom is the work of the devil.`
`17:50.17`	`Anaral`	`:(`
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`17:52.39`	`hi11ie`	`is there a way to separate the gold/silver/copper from UI-MoneyIcons using the \|T escape? seems there's a start offset but no end offset param available it seems (UI-MoneyIcons is the gold, silver, coppy icons in one image)`
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`17:54.51`	`foxlit`	`Those likely aren't the offsets you're looking for`
`17:56.24`	`nevcairiel`	`if you can specify x and y offset, and height and width .. doesnt that already fix you up?`
`17:56.28`	`nevcairiel`	`or am i missing something? =P`
`17:56.32`	`hi11ie`	`what do you mean? it's 16x16, the image is 64x16.. so if i want the gold icon i can't tell it the end offset so it shows all 3 in a 16x16`
`17:57.00`	`hi11ie`	`now if I do offset of 32:0 then it will only show the copper one`
`17:57.05`	`nevcairiel`	`oh it shrinks the remaining down, that sucks`
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`17:58.54`	`kd3`	`hey fox, you wrote the blp->png converter in php, right?`
`17:59.12`	`foxlit`	`among other things`
`17:59.13`	`hi11ie`	`i guess i could convert them to 3 separate images`
`18:00.00`	`kd3`	`is the source to that available? trying to optimize my map stitcher but I'm resorting to an external app and wasting disk space for no good reason`
`18:00.21`	`kd3`	`s/app/app to convert the blps/`
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`18:01.51`	`foxlit`	`It isn't pretty, and GD cuts a bit off alpha`
`18:01.56`	`foxlit`	`But otherwise, http://vector.digifort.com/blp2image.phps`
`18:03.05`	`kd3`	`excellent, thanks.`
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`18:13.46`	`Fisker-`	`<-invincible`
`18:14.05`	`Thunder_Child`	`not realyl`
`18:14.07`	`Thunder_Child`	`really*`
`18:14.51`	`Fisker-`	`yes really`
`18:15.06`	`Fisker-`	`i even got the post about magelo removed`
`18:15.07`	`Fisker-`	`baww`
`18:15.36`	`cladhaire`	`i like the lua source better :P`
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`18:37.53`	`hi11ie`	`foxlit: are you good with texture offsets? (xml)`
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`18:44.55`	`wereHamster`	`hi11ie: what's your question?`
`18:52.13`	`cncfanatics`	`anyone feels like rating an application ?`
`18:52.41`	`wereHamster`	`2/5 if you ask me ...`
`18:53.43`	`cncfanatics`	`damn you`
`18:53.59`	`cncfanatics`	`need some tips on what to write, its too short imho`
`18:54.00`	`cncfanatics`	`http://www.pastey.net/89830-1j7k`
`19:00.10`	`wereHamster`	`ah, such application. I was thinking more of a 'program'`
`19:00.25`	`cncfanatics`	`well, this is still a WoW channel :p`
`19:00.32`	`cncfanatics`	`read please :)`
`19:02.10`	`cncfanatics`	`anyone, what profs should a warrior tank preferably take to support his tanking ?`
`19:02.25`	`Lunessa`	`I'd drop the whole bit about why you changed characters. Just mention that you've played more than one class, and you're experienced.`
`19:02.53`	`Lunessa`	`For a warrior, smithing is always good, so is alchemy.`
`19:03.06`	`cncfanatics`	`I was thinking about alchemy/JC`
`19:03.11`	`cncfanatics`	`good/bad ?`
`19:04.14`	`wereHamster`	`isn't there any craftable armor equipment (as in, blacksmithing) ?`
`19:04.23`	`cncfanatics`	`no idea`
`19:04.25`	`cncfanatics`	`lets see`
`19:04.57`	`wereHamster`	`in the days of MC being a blacksmith was actually useful for a warrior`
`19:04.59`	`wereHamster`	`tank`
`19:05.09`	`Lunessa`	`smithing makes okay-ish plate in the 70s. And the weapons are pretty decent if you're not in a progressed raiding guild.`
`19:06.05`	`cncfanatics`	`thats not really the case, aims to be a topend guild for wotlk`
`19:06.27`	`cncfanatics`	`I rly can't see any decent BoP tanking loot from BS`
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`19:08.12`	`DARKGuy`	`o/`
`19:08.28`	`wereHamster`	`blacksmithing fits armor/plate wearing warriors (much more then alchemy), it's a pitty blizz doesn't make it worthwhile for warriors to train blacksmithing`
`19:10.23`	`Lunessa`	`Alchemy = Self Buffs and Self-healing`
`19:10.25`	`cncfanatics`	`herba seems handy`
`19:10.38`	`cncfanatics`	`herba seems more handy then alchemy for that account Lunessa`
`19:10.41`	`cncfanatics`	`nightmare vine`
`19:10.48`	`cncfanatics`	`alchemy, meh, you can buy em anyway or level it on an alt`
`19:11.33`	`cncfanatics`	`btw, added some stuff: http://www.pastey.net/89832`
`19:11.45`	`cncfanatics`	`Lunessa: how would you shorten the character part ? I think its pretty important personaly`
`19:12.18`	`wereHamster`	`Just imagine a warrior brewing potions, or making cloths. No, that doesn't look right. Warriors are being crushed and need thick armor and powerful weapons...`
`19:12.23`	`Lunessa`	`I was thinking to myself "If I was a raid leader reading this, I'd be bored to tears and go to the next app already" -`
`19:12.38`	`cncfanatics`	`hmmmm`
`19:13.00`	`Lunessa`	`I'd just cover than you've played other classes, and know them, but you love to tank.`
`19:13.09`	`cncfanatics`	`I'll do that`
`19:13.10`	`cncfanatics`	`rewriting`
`19:14.53`	`cncfanatics`	`how's this, Lunessa ? http://www.pastey.net/89833`
`19:15.31`	`Cide`	`you miseed a comma`
`19:15.32`	`Cide`	`first line`
`19:16.52`	`cncfanatics`	`where ?`
`19:17.16`	`Cide`	`kayaking playing RTS games`
`19:17.24`	`Cide`	`kayaking, playing RTS games*`
`19:17.34`	`cncfanatics`	`ty`
`19:18.32`	`cncfanatics`	`what you think overal ?`
`19:18.59`	`durcyn`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:19.16`	`cncfanatics`	`riiiiight`
`19:19.29`	`wereHamster`	`you don't ?!?!?`
`19:19.40`	`cncfanatics`	`ofc I do`
`19:19.59`	`wereHamster`	`I saw the missinc comma before, but I thought it wasn't a mistake.. :P`
`19:20.13`	`cncfanatics`	`hmmmm`
`19:20.16`	`cncfanatics`	`~lart wereHamster`
`19:20.16`	`purl`	`stamps wereHamster on the forehead with the official Troll marker`
`19:20.42`	`wereHamster`	`again? I've already been larted once today!`
`19:20.47`	`Lunessa`	`cncfanatics: http://www.pastey.net/89834`
`19:21.10`	`cncfanatics`	`what did you change Lunessa ?`
`19:21.19`	`Lunessa`	`It could still use tweaking for spelling, punctuation and grammar, but check it out.`
`19:21.34`	`cncfanatics`	`my spelling sucks`
`19:22.02`	`Lunessa`	`Also, You might want to explain your ability to level quickly and self-gear if you've apping for a class/toon you've not yet leveled.`
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`19:24.07`	`cncfanatics`	`Lunessa: http://www.pastey.net/89835`
`19:25.14`	`Lunessa`	`Line 9 - ending makes zero sense.`
`19:25.42`	`cncfanatics`	`wtf did I write there ?`
`19:26.05`	`Cide`	`also, unfortunately*`
`19:26.09`	`Lunessa`	`This included, for example, making sure to not overaggro on the Twin Emperors but also make sure as that would wipe the raid.`
`19:26.09`	`duaiwe`	`... which dock at auberdine goes to darnassus? >.>`
`19:26.16`	`cncfanatics`	`http://www.pastey.net/89836`
`19:26.19`	`Mikk`	`read the signs`
`19:26.29`	`cncfanatics`	`duaiwe: dock number 87`
`19:26.31`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`oh, shit, signs.. never noticed those`
`19:26.54`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`are those new?`
`19:26.59`	`Lunessa`	`~fail NightHawkTheSane`
`19:27.00`	`purl`	`NightHawkTheSane, you Fail!`
`19:27.11`	`cncfanatics`	`~lart NightHawkTheSane`
`19:27.11`	`purl`	`pushes the wall down onto NightHawkTheSane whilst whistling innocently`
`19:27.14`	`Lunessa`	`cncfanatics: that's improved.`
`19:27.29`	`cncfanatics`	`Lunessa: any more suggestions ? I really want to write a damned good app`
`19:27.51`	`Cide`	`a few spelling errors still`
`19:28.11`	`Cide`	`if you care :P`
`19:28.38`	`cncfanatics`	`I do`
`19:28.39`	`cncfanatics`	`where ?`
`19:28.48`	`cncfanatics`	`I totaly fail at spotting those (my native languages are french & dutch)`
`19:28.49`	`Cide`	`you also mention the free Silvermoon -> BDF flight twice.. can skip the explanation the second time`
`19:28.57`	`Cide`	`hobbies, first line`
`19:28.58`	`Lunessa`	`Your app seems kind of passive. I'd include armory links, a full spell/grammar check, and maybe some more explanation of your raid experience.`
`19:29.08`	`kd3`	`anyone remember the xp->gold conversion off the top of their heads?`
`19:29.21`	`Cide`	`unfortunately*, line 9`
`19:29.48`	`Lunessa`	`The thing that stinks about the whole app is you're asking for a tanking slot... for a toon you don't even have.`
`19:29.58`	`Cide`	`also, "do top-notch DPS" is better than "have top-notch DPS" imo`
`19:30.04`	`cncfanatics`	`they're a reroller guild starting to raid in september Lunessa`
`19:30.23`	`Lunessa`	`And tanks slots are... well, heavy investments. You have to make them want you above all others.`
`19:30.40`	`cncfanatics`	`which is why I'm putting so much effort in the app :)`
`19:31.13`	`Lunessa`	`And I didn't know they were a re-roll guild. Everyone will be starting fresh?`
`19:31.30`	`cncfanatics`	`yea`
`19:31.39`	`cncfanatics`	`well, some already started ofc :)`
`19:34.08`	`Lunessa`	`Personally, I'd list race and planned talent build. Prove your might Theory-crafting skills.`
`19:34.32`	`Lunessa`	`Also, maybe your gearing philosophy.`
`19:35.09`	`cncfanatics`	`what do you mean with gearing philosophy ?`
`19:35.59`	`Lunessa`	`What sort of stats you'd build, and why. What would make you choose one item over another.`
`19:36.32`	`Lunessa`	`Would you stack avoidance more def/sta? Any +crit? Why?`
`19:36.37`	`Lunessa`	`Get the idea?`
`19:36.41`	`cncfanatics`	`yea, I do`
`19:37.40`	`Lunessa`	`If someone is going to take you on to be a raid tank, you want to make sure they know they're getting the real deal. Not like the f'ing pug tank I got last night who couldn't hold threat on ANYTHING, despite out-gearing me by two tiers.`
`19:39.01`	`Cide`	`that might be why :P`
`19:39.44`	`Cide`	`harder to generate rage with better gear`
`19:40.01`	`cncfanatics`	`well, he was an idiot for not equiping some dps gear`
`19:40.09`	`Cide`	`I'm sure he was shitty, but just saying :P`
`19:40.13`	`cncfanatics`	`heck, what two tiers above Lunessa he could as well have thrown away his shield and gone DW`
`19:40.27`	`Lunessa`	`I think it might have more to do with him standing around like a retard for the first 30 seconds of every fight.`
`19:40.49`	`Lunessa`	`Haha... Unkle on Kirin Tor - Enhancement Shaman - that's me. :P`
`19:40.51`	`wereHamster`	`Cide: why is it harder?`
`19:40.55`	`Cide`	`takes less damage`
`19:41.00`	`cncfanatics`	`less damage taken, less rage , less threat`
`19:41.03`	`Lunessa`	`And he was a Prot Paladin.`
`19:41.04`	`cncfanatics`	`http://www.pastey.net/89843`
`19:41.14`	`cncfanatics`	`same thing, less damage taken, less healing, less mana, less threat`
`19:41.28`	`wereHamster`	`taking damage produces threat?`
`19:41.28`	`Anaral`	`How come XChat keeps having nicknames overlap the time?`
`19:41.38`	`Cide`	`no, taking damage produces rage, which produces threat`
`19:41.42`	`Lunessa`	`line 4 - wanted should be want`
`19:41.43`	`Cide`	`cncfanatics: only for healing though`
`19:41.52`	`Cide`	`oh, you mean for paladins`
`19:42.14`	`cncfanatics`	`wereHamster: YES`
`19:42.24`	`cncfanatics`	`ask any tank if he can generate a lot of threat when taking zero damage`
`19:42.43`	`Lunessa`	`Line 34 "easier"`
`19:42.53`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`welll.. a paladin can.. for.. about 6 seconds.`
`19:42.54`	`wereHamster`	`well, rage can be used to deal damage which produces threat, but rage in itself doesn't produce threat`
`19:43.04`	`cncfanatics`	`it does`
`19:43.07`	`cncfanatics`	`generating rage produces aggro`
`19:43.08`	`Cide`	`yes it does`
`19:43.10`	`Cide`	`don't be stupid`
`19:43.10`	`cncfanatics`	`so does generating mana`
`19:43.18`	`Cide`	`not in that sense`
`19:43.31`	`cncfanatics`	`thats the sense wereHamster means it in, beat him at his own game tbh`
`19:43.39`	`Cide`	`no it isn't`
`19:43.43`	`Cide`	`but he's being stupid`
`19:43.54`	`Cide`	`it's like saying "having mana doesn't mean you're doing damage!"`
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`19:44.19`	`Cide`	`sure, you could sit there and spam arcane intellect`
`19:44.30`	`cncfanatics`	`http://www.pastey.net/89844 Lunessa`
`19:44.34`	`Cide`	`but don't be retarded, thanks`
`19:45.56`	`Lunessa`	`cncfanatics: That'll do pig. That'll do.`
`19:46.16`	`cncfanatics`	`if you were the guild master reading this, what would you do ?`
`19:46.16`	`Mikk`	`tbh, having too good gear hurts aggro in lowlevel shit`
`19:46.19`	`Mikk`	`you get fuckall rage`
`19:46.25`	`Mikk`	`you can usually solve that by stripping though =)`
`19:46.42`	`Lunessa`	`Or having a nice sit down infornt of the mob.`
`19:46.43`	`ScytheBlade1`	`cncfanatics: wonder why someone is so incredibly formal for a game ;)`
`19:46.46`	`Lunessa`	`in front`
`19:47.05`	`cncfanatics`	`ScytheBlade1: and apart from that ? :p`
`19:47.48`	`Cide`	`ScytheBlade1: hell no`
`19:47.51`	`ScytheBlade1`	`cncfanatics: what type of guild?`
`19:47.58`	`Cide`	`if I was a guild leader`
`19:48.04`	`Cide`	`I'd delete any app that WASN'T like that`
`19:48.11`	`Cide`	`if people want to join my guild, act like it`
`19:48.16`	`cncfanatics`	`eh, the 5-7 raids per week when there is progress to make type of guild`
`19:48.16`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Cide: depends on the provided app format :P`
`19:48.20`	`Cide`	`spend some time on your shit`
`19:48.22`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Cide: you're my hero.`
`19:48.29`	`cncfanatics`	`ScytheBlade1: no format supplied, ofc :p`
`19:48.33`	`ScytheBlade1`	`wAh`
`19:48.34`	`ScytheBlade1`	`*Ah`
`19:48.38`	`Lunessa`	`Cide... I can has guild invite,, fuck-hole?`
`19:48.50`	`cncfanatics`	`anyway, I'm gonna post that shit`
`19:48.52`	`cncfanatics`	`thanks a lot for all the help`
`19:48.59`	`ScytheBlade1`	`"I've never played a protection warrior before," owned imo :P`
`19:49.01`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Wait sec`
`19:49.02`	`Cide`	`Lunessa: sure thing`
`19:49.09`	`Lunessa`	`Woot`
`19:49.10`	`ScytheBlade1`	`"My hobby's are programming,"`
`19:49.14`	`ScytheBlade1`	`s/hobby's/hobbies/`
`19:49.36`	`Cide`	`I already said that :P`
`19:49.46`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I was just going off of the pastey :P`
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`19:50.47`	`Lunessa`	`Always, always, always spell check and proof read. ALWAYS.`
`19:51.02`	`cncfanatics`	`my english spelling and grammar sucks a god damn lot`
`19:52.01`	`Lunessa`	`MS Word will catch most of that.`
`19:52.10`	`cncfanatics`	`true,`
`19:52.16`	`cncfanatics`	`lets see if I have a hacked version sitting somewhere`
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`19:54.33`	`Matrix110`	`not grammar errors though :P`
`19:55.12`	`Lunessa`	`Well, it will catch some simple things. Stuff that a non-native speaker/writer might otherwise miss.`
`19:55.23`	`Matrix110`	`true`
`19:55.36`	`Matrix110`	`But complicated grammar errors > word`
`19:55.40`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`there's really no substitute for someone else's eyes, though`
`19:55.59`	`Matrix110`	`Language is still to complex`
`19:56.16`	`cncfanatics`	`that one passed through MS word`
`19:56.17`	`cncfanatics`	`http://www.pastey.net/89847`
`19:56.22`	`cncfanatics`	`anyone can do a final proof-reading ?`
`19:56.49`	`Matrix110`	`btw`
`19:56.59`	`Matrix110`	`I dont think that this fool proof reading is a good idea`
`19:57.08`	`Matrix110`	`I remember a guy that applied to us and we actually took him`
`19:57.16`	`Matrix110`	`and later he couldnt read or write properly`
`19:57.29`	`Matrix110`	`friends corrected his application`
`19:57.33`	`cncfanatics`	`Well, I can read and write properly :p`
`19:57.42`	`cncfanatics`	`My english is ok, just not perfectly top-notch`
`19:57.49`	`Matrix110`	`If there arent to bad mistakes nobody cares`
`19:58.13`	`Matrix110`	`you are applying to a european guild so they have about 90% not being native speakers`
`19:58.25`	`Matrix110`	`they make lots of mistakes themselves`
`19:58.26`	`Lunessa`	`cnc what-so-ever can actually be whatsoever in English.`
`19:58.43`	`cncfanatics`	`line ? :p`
`19:59.06`	`Matrix110`	`But I like your formatting!`
`19:59.08`	`Matrix110`	`apply to us plx`
`19:59.24`	`Matrix110`	`we need good applications`
`19:59.28`	`Cide`	`maybe say why you chose to reroll as a rogue`
`19:59.36`	`Lunessa`	`Line 16`
`19:59.39`	`Fisker-`	`Cide`
`19:59.44`	`Fisker-`	`when you see it, you'll shit bricks`
`19:59.50`	`Cide`	`see what?`
`19:59.56`	`Fisker-`	`it`
`20:00.20`	`Matrix110`	`pft horde`
`20:00.25`	`Fisker-`	`pft alliance`
`20:00.34`	`Cide`	`cncfanatics: line 26`
`20:00.38`	`Cide`	`"I've raided a few weeks"`
`20:00.43`	`Cide`	`remove 've`
`20:00.59`	`Cide`	`and change "we've beat" to "we had beaten"`
`20:01.00`	`Matrix110`	`to which Horde guild are you applying?`
`20:01.07`	`cncfanatics`	`Ave`
`20:01.13`	`cncfanatics`	`rerollers guild`
`20:01.16`	`cncfanatics`	`starting september the first`
`20:01.23`	`Cide`	`and "I always come fully prepared for raids", on line 30`
`20:01.24`	`Matrix110`	`ah`
`20:01.49`	`*** join/#wowuidev zethe (n=zethe@97-81-111-106.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com)`
`20:02.12`	`Cide`	`you change from first person to third person in the same sentence on line 34`
`20:02.28`	`Cide`	`maybe not strictly incorrect, but looks weird`
`20:02.39`	`Cide`	`"I'm also a heavy theorycrafter that tweaks everything as much as he can"`
`20:02.43`	`Cide`	`and then back to first person`
`20:02.55`	`*** part/#wowuidev Sixen (n=Sixen@12.206.135.48)`
`20:03.05`	`cncfanatics`	`fixed`
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`20:03.10`	`cncfanatics`	`Matrix110: what guild are you in either way ? :p`
`20:03.23`	`Matrix110`	`Apotheosanity`
`20:03.43`	`cncfanatics`	`continent, focus, faction ?`
`20:03.56`	`Matrix110`	`Kazzak, Alliance, pve`
`20:03.57`	`Matrix110`	`:P`
`20:04.05`	`cncfanatics`	`I'm on the same server as you atm :)`
`20:04.15`	`Matrix110`	`thats why I started that :P`
`20:04.17`	`cncfanatics`	`can I corpsecamp you ?`
`20:04.36`	`cncfanatics`	`http://www.pastey.net/89848`
`20:04.44`	`cncfanatics`	`damn this thing is getting lots of revisions already :p`
`20:04.48`	`cncfanatics`	`I feel like applying for a full time job`
`20:05.09`	`Cide`	`do it right the first time and it wouldn't be :P`
`20:05.42`	`cncfanatics`	`can't do that sort of thing right the first time`
`20:05.50`	`cncfanatics`	`you pretty much need outside opinion to do it well`
`20:06.00`	`Fisker-`	`cncfanatics`
`20:06.05`	`Matrix110`	`btw you could increase the size of line 13`
`20:06.08`	`Fisker-`	`when you shit bricks you'll see it`
`20:06.08`	`cncfanatics`	`Fisker-:`
`20:06.33`	`Fisker-`	`lets have sex`
`20:06.33`	`cncfanatics`	`Matrix110: how so ?`
`20:06.35`	`cncfanatics`	`its a header`
`20:06.38`	`Lunessa`	`And in line 1, take out the word "together"`
`20:06.50`	`Lunessa`	`It is the department of redundancy department`
`20:07.18`	`Matrix110`	`oh nvm that its already bold compared to the pretbc postbc`
`20:08.05`	`cncfanatics`	`http://www.pastey.net/89850`
`20:08.07`	`cncfanatics`	`hopefully final version`
`20:08.08`	`Fisker-`	`you owe me moneys cncfanatics`
`20:08.20`	`cncfanatics`	`Fisker-: I do ? :o`
`20:08.22`	`Fisker-`	`yes`
`20:08.27`	`cncfanatics`	`why ? :)`
`20:08.34`	`Fisker-`	`dunno`
`20:08.40`	`Fisker-`	`because i warned you`
`20:08.51`	`cncfanatics`	`of ...`
`20:08.57`	`Fisker-`	`shitting bricks`
`20:09.26`	`cncfanatics`	`I don't shit bricks`
`20:09.32`	`Fisker-`	`but you will`
`20:09.35`	`cncfanatics`	`~lart Fisker-`
`20:09.35`	`purl`	`hits Fisker- with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha`
`20:09.37`	`Cide`	`I read it all`
`20:09.43`	`Fisker-`	`and when that time comes`
`20:09.49`	`Fisker-`	`you will be thankful`
`20:09.56`	`cncfanatics`	`maybe, maybe not`
`20:10.12`	`cncfanatics`	`Cide: good ? :)`
`20:10.24`	`Cide`	`if you changed everything I said, sure`
`20:10.44`	`cncfanatics`	`I did`
`20:10.46`	`cncfanatics`	`<3 all of you`
`20:10.49`	`cncfanatics`	`gonna post that now`
`20:11.13`	`cncfanatics`	`also gonna keep it`
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`20:34.55`	`Lunessa`	`... hrm... go get food now, or just wait an hour-and-a-half until closing time?`
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`20:41.39`	`Thunder_Child`	`Lunessa, wait`
`20:42.59`	`Fisker-`	`...with a 50 megaton nuclear warhead`
`20:43.06`	`Fisker-`	`you don't regain any footing`
`20:43.56`	`Fisker-`	`;_; :(`
`20:46.14`	`Cairenn`	`hi Fisker- :p`
`20:46.42`	`Fisker-`	`i won the game`
`20:47.00`	`Cairenn`	`congrats`
`20:47.14`	`Fisker-`	`indeed`
`20:47.29`	`Fisker-`	`http://www.wow-europe.com/en/community/recent-communitynews.html <-they removed magelo from ther 06/06/2008 community news :P`
`20:47.36`	`ScytheBlade1`	`haha`
`20:47.37`	`ScytheBlade1`	`bam`
`20:47.38`	`Cairenn`	`yeah, you were saying`
`20:47.55`	`kd3`	`rofl, awesome`
`20:48.12`	`kd3`	`now if I can convince the wikia execs to remove their ads from the wiki`
`20:48.16`	`ScytheBlade1`	`This is my surprised face`
`20:48.18`	`cncfanatics`	`whats magelo ?`
`20:48.24`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Wait, it's my regular face`
`20:48.33`	`Fisker-`	`cncfanatics character profiler that reads wow's memory`
`20:48.40`	`cncfanatics`	`lol`
`20:48.44`	`cncfanatics`	`and they included that ? :o`
`20:48.47`	`Fisker-`	`yeah`
`20:48.58`	`cncfanatics`	`I guess they didn't know it read wow's memory`
`20:49.04`	`Fisker-`	`and i didn't even get an alpha key for it`
`20:49.13`	`Fisker-`	`(couldn't hurt to beg :P)`
`20:49.28`	`Fisker-`	`just gonna reboot`
`20:49.30`	`Fisker-`	`new drivars`
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`20:53.03`	`-FISKER_Q	`baww`
`20:54.36`	`Fisker-`	`yay`
`20:54.39`	`Fisker-`	`physx suppoer`
`20:54.41`	`Fisker-`	`support*`
`20:57.36`	`Fisker-`	`http://i25.tinypic.com/35javdv.jpg`
`20:57.37`	`Fisker-`	`wewt`
`20:57.59`	`Elessdy`	`hmm?`
`20:58.13`	`ScytheBlade1`	`hehe, nice`
`21:01.19`	`Thunder_Child`	`lies Fisker-, all lies`
`21:01.57`	`Fisker-`	`nevers`
`21:02.42`	`Fisker-`	`The 177.39 drivers provided physx support`
`21:02.46`	`Thunder_Child`	`however that did remind me to update my vid drivers`
`21:02.47`	`Fisker-`	`using CUDA`
`21:04.12`	`Thunder_Child`	`actually the 177.35 drivers do`
`21:04.29`	`Fisker-`	`well officially they haven't mentioned it until the 177.39 drivers`
`21:04.31`	`Fisker-`	`so your mother`
`21:04.54`	`Thunder_Child`	`it's not my fault you fail as usual`
`21:05.27`	`Fisker-`	`the fail isn't mine but nvidia's`
`21:05.28`	`Fisker-`	`owned`
`21:06.35`	`Thunder_Child`	`thats just wrong, 15min on my computer and my bread went from frozen to lightly toasted`
`21:06.49`	`Fisker-`	`infact Thunder_Child`
`21:06.56`	`Fisker-`	`the 175.16 drivers had physx support`
`21:06.58`	`Fisker-`	`owned again`
`21:09.46`	`Corrodias`	`nice... but that seems counterintuitive`
`21:09.55`	`Corrodias`	`offload the physics processing from the CPU to... the GPU?`
`21:10.24`	`Tekkub`	`they need to make a PPU`
`21:10.27`	`Fisker-`	`the gpu is more suited for physics`
`21:10.37`	`Tekkub`	`call it PUWPUWPUW`
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`21:16.52`	`hi11ie`	`anyone know how to tell string.format not to round a float? ie string.format("%.1f", 1.9) = 2.0, instead of 1.9 .. how do you tell it not to round it?`
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`21:17.46`	`cladhaire`	`lua> string.format("%1.2f", 1.9)`
`21:17.47`	`lua_bot`	`cladhaire: 1.90`
`21:17.54`	`cladhaire`	`hi11ie: no idea what you're talking about, as you can see.`
`21:18.06`	`cladhaire`	`lua> string.format("%.1f", 1.9)`
`21:18.06`	`lua_bot`	`cladhaire: 1.9`
`21:18.06`	`foxlit`	`lua> string.format("%.1f", 1.9)`
`21:18.07`	`lua_bot`	`foxlit: 1.9`
`21:18.12`	`foxlit`	`You want that to be 2.0?`
`21:18.22`	`cladhaire`	`he said "not to round"`
`21:18.22`	`hi11ie`	`no`
`21:18.27`	`cladhaire`	`which didn't match the rest of his/her question`
`21:18.31`	`cladhaire`	`hence my confusion :P`
`21:18.52`	`Anaral`	`Don't put the "= 2.0" in there?`
`21:19.11`	`cladhaire`	`yeah, not sure what you're doing.. it doesn't round.`
`21:19.26`	`Cide`	`it does`
`21:19.31`	`Cide`	`if you do it incorrectly`
`21:19.37`	`cladhaire`	`O.o`
`21:19.39`	`cladhaire`	`such as?`
`21:19.44`	`Cide`	`>>> string.format("%.0f", 1.9)`
`21:19.44`	`Cide`	`Cide: "2"`
`21:19.49`	`hi11ie`	`in wow it's rounding`
`21:20.02`	`cladhaire`	`Cide: that's expected behavior`
`21:20.06`	`Cide`	`right`
`21:20.15`	`Cide`	`but if he's fucking the format string up, it could round`
`21:20.27`	`hi11ie`	`when I do "=string.format("%.1f", "1.96") in wowlua it rounds`
`21:20.29`	`Cide`	`the input he gave shouldn't, like you said`
`21:20.39`	`foxlit`	`oh heck`
`21:20.44`	`foxlit`	`1.96 isn't 1.9`
`21:20.50`	`cladhaire`	`to say the least`
`21:20.53`	`ScytheBlade1`	`haha`
`21:20.56`	`cladhaire`	`lua> string.format("%.1f", "1.96")`
`21:20.57`	`lua_bot`	`cladhaire: 2.0`
`21:21.02`	`Cide`	`1.96 rounds to closest .1 decimal`
`21:21.13`	`cladhaire`	`lua> string.format("%.1f", 1.96)`
`21:21.13`	`hi11ie`	`how to i tell it not to`
`21:21.13`	`lua_bot`	`cladhaire: 2.0`
`21:21.20`	`Cide`	`increase the accuracy`
`21:21.25`	`Cide`	`>>> string.format("%.2f", 1.96)`
`21:21.25`	`Cide`	`Cide: "1.96"`
`21:21.33`	`Cide`	`or just`
`21:21.34`	`Cide`	`>>> string.format("%f", 1.96)`
`21:21.34`	`Cide`	`Cide: "1.960000"`
`21:21.39`	`Cide`	`though that's ugly`
`21:21.54`	`hi11ie`	`how about if i want to display only tenths :)`
`21:22.07`	`hi11ie`	`this is a user-entered value`
`21:22.11`	`cladhaire`	`write a custom function`
`21:22.16`	`cladhaire`	`and cut off anything more than what you want to display`
`21:22.41`	`hi11ie`	`i thought maybe there was something extra you could do with the formatting`
`21:23.00`	`cladhaire`	`lua> string.format("%.1f", 1.96):sub(1, #(tostring(math.floor(1.96))) + 2)`
`21:23.01`	`lua_bot`	`cladhaire: 2.0`
`21:23.09`	`cladhaire`	`lua> string.format("%f", 1.96):sub(1, #(tostring(math.floor(1.96))) + 2)`
`21:23.10`	`lua_bot`	`cladhaire: 1.9`
`21:23.15`	`cladhaire`	`for example`
`21:23.56`	`foxlit`	`lua> n=42; string.format("%f", n):sub(1, #(tostring(math.floor(n))) + 2)`
`21:23.56`	`lua_bot`	`foxlit: No output`
`21:24.12`	`foxlit`	`lua_bot: foxlit: 42.0`
`21:24.12`	`lua_bot`	`foxlit: luabot:1: '<name>' expected near '42.0'`
`21:26.29`	`hi11ie`	`yep. it's complicated`
`21:27.03`	`hi11ie`	`the use of this is to display the user's gold as a decimal.. otherwise i wouldn't care if it rounded, but like it says you have 3.0 gold when you have 2.96 :)`
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`21:28.48`	`Cide`	`that's why you represent monetary values in the lowest value`
`21:28.52`	`Cide`	`i.e. coppers in this case`
`21:32.02`	`Tekkub`	`I go for gold only personally... 1.98g`
`21:32.09`	`hi11ie`	`Cide: i'm using GetMoney() to get the money which returns copper`
`21:32.20`	`hi11ie`	`then gold = copper / 10000`
`21:32.20`	`Tekkub`	`then you get silver, but who cares about copper unless you're lv 5?`
`21:32.57`	`Tekkub`	`I look at silvel like cents, and copper like fractions of pennies`
`21:33.21`	`hi11ie`	`but it looks bad when you see 3G (i strip off %.0* at the end) when you have 2G 96S)`
`21:33.25`	`hi11ie`	`heh`
`21:33.48`	`Tekkub`	`yea I don't strip off silver unless it's over 100g`
`21:33.54`	`hi11ie`	`i don't even care about copper at lvl 5 anymore`
`21:34.25`	`Tekkub`	`of course, this is everywhere I do prices except the bag, I always show everything in the player's bag`
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`21:36.08`	`Cide`	`it's easier to format if you use copper`
`21:36.47`	`Cide`	`then you can just do gold = (copper - copper % 100)/10000;`
`21:37.23`	`foxlit`	`floor(copper / 10000) surely`
`21:37.43`	`Cide`	`no, that wouldn't return 1.9g`
`21:38.01`	`foxlit`	`That'd return a decimal, really`
`21:38.07`	`foxlit`	`But okay :)`
`21:38.14`	`Cide`	`hm?`
`21:38.25`	`Tekkub`	`http://tek.pastey.net/89859`
`21:38.30`	`Tekkub`	`that's my money formatter`
`21:38.38`	`Lunessa`	`stupid network... using smb to access a printer on a windows server allows me to connect, but nothing prints unless I use IP printing. headdesk`
`21:38.54`	`Cide`	`foxlit: my version would return a decimal, which is what he wanted`
`21:39.04`	`foxlit`	`yeah, yeah :)`
`21:39.14`	`Tekkub`	`printers are like CD burners to me these days, I have em but never use em`
`21:39.57`	`Lunessa`	`Tekkub: I'm printing driving direction to a place in another city. I have never been to this address, and I don't have a data plan on my cell.`
`21:40.11`	`Cide`	`printers are like CD burners to me these days, I don't have 'em, and I have no use for 'em`
`21:40.15`	`Tekkub`	`Lunessa, I don't even have a cell :)`
`21:40.21`	`Tekkub`	`but also, I don't go places`
`21:40.23`	`Cide`	`(I go for dvd burners :P)`
`21:40.46`	`Tekkub`	`Cide, CD and DVD burners are the same thing in my brain :P`
`21:40.59`	`Tekkub`	`I have a DVD burner, I still call it a CD burner`
`21:41.10`	`Cide`	`ah :P`
`21:41.12`	`Lunessa`	`Cide: Ditto. I no longer buy a CD-RW drive when I can get DVD-RW for the same money.`
`21:41.15`	`Tekkub`	`and the only thing I ever burn are OS installation discs`
`21:41.49`	`Tekkub`	`I've had the same spindles or DVD-Rs and CD-Rs for like 4 years now`
`21:43.14`	`Lunessa`	`Tekkub: I don't burn that many disc any more. When I was doing Web Design, I used to burn all my archived projects to CD and file them in a fireproof safe. I don't bother now.`
`21:43.39`	`Tekkub`	`heh, I just compress it and gmail it to myself`
`21:43.46`	`Tekkub`	`instant off site backup!`
`21:43.58`	`Tekkub`	`and of course, there's a backup on the file server too`
`21:44.12`	`Tekkub`	`or if it's in git, github == backup as well`
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`21:48.33`	`Lunessa`	`Most of the google products you mention weren't available to me then. And I no longer do web design professionally so I don't bother archiving anything. :P`
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`21:49.17`	`Tekkub`	`I try not to arcive things if I can, I have very bad packratting habits`
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`21:49.26`	`Tekkub`	`so I try to only save that which is important`
`21:49.37`	`Lunessa`	`After my most recent move, I also resolved to do this.`
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`21:50.19`	`Tekkub`	`"Will you have need for this for work in the next 4 years, or personally in the next year?"`
`21:50.24`	`Tekkub`	`if no, throw away`
`21:51.55`	`Lunessa`	`Some things I keep and keep and keep. Like I have a bunch of out-of-print pen & paper RPGs that I've been keeping for forever.. and I haven't played one in 2+ years now.`
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`21:53.02`	`Tekkub`	`yea I kept telling my mom to throw away the shit I left when I moved out for 5 years`
`21:53.09`	`Tekkub`	`I don't think she ever has`
`21:55.07`	`Fisker-`	`why wasn't it heroin they found on mars? :(`
`21:55.58`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`because everyone knows martians do shrooms, not heroine.`
`21:58.27`	`Lunessa`	`No poppies on Mars, bish. They have to get high on ferrous or silicate dust. DUR.`
`21:59.52`	`Lunessa`	`I r teh sarcastic - http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7372108168&sid=1`
`22:01.39`	`Hirsute`	`So, I've got a macro that I use to help my warrior multi-tank, looks like this:`
`22:01.44`	`Hirsute`	`#show`
`22:01.46`	`Hirsute`	`#showtooltip`
`22:01.47`	`Hirsute`	`/cast [target=mouseover,harm,nodead] [] Devastate`
`22:01.56`	`kd3`	`only show or showtooltip, not both`
`22:02.04`	`kd3`	`showtooltip supersedes show`
`22:02.27`	`Hirsute`	`Good to know. Anyhow, it used to Devastate what I was mousing over, or whatever my target was if I wasn't mousing over anything.`
`22:02.44`	`Hirsute`	`Ever since about 2.3, it won't devastate my mouse-overs, anyone see anything obvious as to why?`
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`22:07.31`	`Lunessa`	`No. Sometimes though you just have to rebuild a macro from scratch when it stops working. Your code looks OK other than what KD3 said.`
`22:07.31`	`foxlit`	`Lunessa: I r teh sarcastic - http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7372108168&sid=1`
`22:07.43`	`foxlit`	`Lunessa: Looks like u r also teh wong!`
`22:07.57`	`Lunessa`	`I looked up the spell... no gcd. :P`
`22:08.19`	`foxlit`	`Yeah, that's part of the problem`
`22:08.27`	`foxlit`	`Wowhead let you down!`
`22:08.39`	`Lunessa`	`Oh, it's wrong?`
`22:08.52`	`Hirsute`	`Okay, thanks!`
`22:08.57`	`foxlit`	`It doesn't require you to be in an animal form`
`22:09.49`	`Lunessa`	`foxlit: shrug I wrote him a macro. And now, for the three+ hour drive to Austin.`
`22:10.04`	`foxlit`	`Eventually :)`
`22:10.50`	`Lunessa`	`I needed him to explain what he was after. He did. He got pissy. shrug Still made him a macro. And now I gotta jet. Ciao tutti.`
`22:14.17`	`hi11ie`	`i got it`
`22:14.29`	`hi11ie`	`the non-rounding thing: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/89863`
`22:14.39`	`Cide`	`um`
`22:14.39`	`Cide`	`WOW`
`22:14.50`	`Cide`	`what do you want to do?`
`22:14.58`	`Cide`	`you want to show only 1 decimal after gold?`
`22:15.28`	`hi11ie`	`it works`
`22:15.33`	`Cide`	`who cares`
`22:15.36`	`Cide`	`that's a fucking monster`
`22:15.39`	`clad\sleep`	`i need to sleep this one off`
`22:17.07`	`Cide`	`>>> c=39532; return (c - c % 1000 ) / 10000;`
`22:17.07`	`Cide`	`Cide: 3.9`
`22:17.09`	`Cide`	`why not use that?`
`22:17.20`	`Cide`	`as in`
`22:17.32`	`Cide`	`tostring(GetMoney() - GetMoney() % 1000 ) / 10000)`
`22:18.20`	`Cide`	`it's probably 50x faster and 100x nicer than your code`
`22:19.12`	`Cide`	`if you're still talking about the whole "round down to 1 decimal" thing`
`22:21.53`	`Kaso`	`also select(3, strfind()) is rather silly as we have match`
`22:22.04`	`hi11ie`	`it isn't a static number like 1, or 2.. the user enters how many decimals they want. before i was simply doing string.format, their input (with the G in %%.?%d*G changed to f) and then gold. and it was fine and simple`
`22:22.12`	`hi11ie`	`but it rounds it off`
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`22:24.35`	`hi11ie`	`but now i need to basically replicate the output of string.format("%.Xf", gold) but w/out rounding`
`22:24.50`	`Fisker-`	`http://i30.tinypic.com/dy56ky.jpg`
`22:24.51`	`Fisker-`	`BAWWW`
`22:25.19`	`foxlit`	`Hm, I have a scale issue`
`22:25.26`	`foxlit`	`Using something like`
`22:25.27`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Fisker-: less pyro spam imo`
`22:25.44`	`Fisker-`	`nevers`
`22:25.47`	`Fisker-`	`sleep tiems though`
`22:26.03`	`foxlit`	`x, y = GetCursorPosition(); if y >= e:GetBottom() and y <= e:GetTop() then -- mouse is "inside" e vertically`
`22:26.49`	`foxlit`	`unfortunately, that ceases to work if UI scale is enabled -- anyone familiar with compensating for it?`
`22:27.12`	`Tekkub`	`foxlit, uh... yea scale's a bitch`
`22:29.50`	`hi11ie`	`Kaso: now is see strmatch returns captures`
`22:30.08`	`Mikk`	`foxlit: it's pretty straightforward maths`
`22:30.24`	`Mikk`	`call GetEffectiveScale your frame & do the maths`
`22:30.28`	`hi11ie`	`Cide: i'm gonna try what you said now.. wow was down or something, i couldn't get in`
`22:31.06`	`Cide`	`BTW`
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`22:31.08`	`Cide`	`@ everyone`
`22:31.14`	`foxlit`	`The question is which math, really :)`
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`22:31.34`	`Cide`	`the guy we hired to do coding on ctprofiles.net (I don't code that anymore) apparently sent out an email to everyone in the ctprofiles.net database`
`22:31.37`	`foxlit`	`should probabl divide both by scale`
`22:31.42`	`Cairenn`	`yup`
`22:31.47`	`kd3`	`oops?`
`22:31.47`	`Cairenn`	`@Cide`
`22:31.49`	`Cide`	`which is basically a welcome message + gold spam`
`22:31.53`	`Cide`	`that wasn't us`
`22:31.54`	`Cairenn`	`yup`
`22:31.55`	`ScytheBlade1`	`haha`
`22:31.55`	`foxlit`	`quick, lynch!`
`22:31.59`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Bam, time to kill someone`
`22:32.07`	`Cide`	`so if anyone asks, let them know we didn't do it and that we're looking into it`
`22:32.54`	`Mikk`	`ok i'll let them know you gave your userdb to a goldspammer`
`22:33.04`	`Anaral`	`Lol`
`22:33.05`	`Cide`	`cheers :)`
`22:36.33`	`Cide`	`Mikk: btw, just so we're clear.. he didn't actually give it away, he just used it himself (as far as we know)`
`22:36.45`	`Cide`	`can forward people to http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7378118601&postId=73021978674&sid=1#0 if you see anyone mentioning it`
`22:36.49`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Cide: needs a newspost imo`
`22:36.54`	`Cide`	`I'm working on that too`
`22:36.58`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Okay, cool`
`22:37.09`	`foxlit`	`was that the wowbreak message?`
`22:37.09`	`Mikk`	`if i were you i'd run a sweep of any changes he did to the servers`
`22:37.15`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Just saying, the homepage says nothing, and that would probably be the primary point of contact for most people`
`22:37.27`	`Cide`	`aye`
`22:37.41`	`Mikk`	`including but not limited to adding funky flash ads that might install trojans on people's computers... or add backdoors for himself so he can put them in at a later point.... etc`
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`22:39.20`	`Cide`	`Mikk: not a bad idea`
`22:39.29`	`Cide`	`I'll see what I can do`
`22:39.37`	`Cide`	`sadly, we don't run subversion for ctprofiles`
`22:40.17`	`foxlit`	`ftp_log :)`
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`22:48.59`	`Arrowmaster`	`i hope you fire him and dont pay him for doing something shitty like that`
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`22:55.19`	`hi11ie`	`Cide: what do you think of this? (money - money % 10^(4-X)) / 10000`
`22:55.27`	`hi11ie`	`where X is the # of decimal places the user wants`
`22:55.44`	`Cide`	`I don't care?`
`22:55.50`	`Cide`	`if it works, go for it`
`22:56.11`	`hi11ie`	`Cide: i was under the impression you thought I should ues what you said instead of what i have`
`22:56.29`	`Cide`	`as you should`
`22:56.40`	`Cide`	`but feel free to modify it to your heart's content`
`22:58.35`	`hi11ie`	`well it doesn't allow for more than 4 decimal places but it won't ever have 4 for the purpose of money anyway`
`22:59.32`	`Cide`	`just go for % 10^x`
`22:59.40`	`Cide`	`and let x be number of decimal places to remove`
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`23:07.30`	`Fisker-`	`btw teh lulz`
`23:09.12`	`Fisker-`	`i can't break this habbit :(`
`23:09.42`	`hi11ie`	`Cide: it doesn't work for if money is like 300 (3 silver) it returns 0`
`23:10.16`	`Cide`	`that's what you wantred, isn't it`
`23:10.29`	`Mikk`	`that's the way i heard it too yeah`
`23:10.39`	`Mikk`	`round down to the nearest 0.1g`
`23:10.44`	`Mikk`	`i.e. 0.0g for 3s`
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`23:20.26`	`Kyahx`	`is there a limit to the size of texture wow can take in?`
`23:20.35`	`Tekkub`	`512x512`
`23:20.50`	`Kyahx`	`bah, that applies to border files too I assume`
`23:20.53`	`Tekkub`	`dims must be powers of 2 also`
`23:21.03`	`Tekkub`	`probably`
`23:21.08`	`Kyahx`	`meaning the biggest border I could have is 64*512`
`23:29.09`	`hi11ie`	`Cide: yea.. sry, brain fart :)`
`23:29.25`	`hi11ie`	`Mikk: did you write something called devtools?`
`23:29.30`	`Cide`	`that was Iriel`
`23:30.06`	`hi11ie`	`hm. do you know where i can get it? it isn't on wowinterface (that's where wow programming said to go)`
`23:30.26`	`dylanm`	`hi11ie: It's there.`
`23:30.45`	`dylanm`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info3999-DevTools.html`
`23:32.21`	`hi11ie`	`thanks`
`23:41.19`	`foxlit`	`I'm disappointed with the google results for "secret of success in mathematics"`
`23:43.12`	`Arrowmaster`	`~devtools`
`23:43.12`	`purl`	`Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet?`
`23:43.19`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah same link`
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