| 00:01.30 | foxlit | @ WARNING: UNPROTECTED PRIVATE KEY FILE! |
| 00:01.39 | Tekkub | chmod |
| 00:01.40 | foxlit | Wonder if I can tell ssh to get stuffed :( |
| 00:01.50 | foxlit | Meet FAT |
| 00:01.52 | Tekkub | what was it, 600? |
| 00:01.57 | foxlit | It's on a USB key |
| 00:02.03 | Tekkub | ahso |
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| 00:02.32 | foxlit | so chmod has no effect, generally |
| 00:02.38 | Tekkub | yea |
| 00:02.44 | Tekkub | that's the only solution I know |
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| 00:30.07 | foxlit | partioning the usb key with a better file system was the answer |
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| 00:32.31 | bleetah | meh, well... *MY* test mail server's coming along nice... clamav, amavis, etc. etc. how's yours? ;) :P |
| 00:33.43 | MentalPower | mine? |
| 00:33.55 | MentalPower | mine's... well... |
| 00:33.57 | MentalPower | ... |
| 00:33.59 | MentalPower | no comment :) |
| 00:34.23 | bleetah | so, bout that coffee... :D |
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| 00:37.54 | bleetah | :'( waaaaa] |
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| 00:44.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Why do people afk from matches they're about to lose? |
| 00:45.32 | Thunder_Child | because they can |
| 00:46.17 | ScytheBlade1 | People can jump off of bridges too |
| 00:46.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Doesn't mean that they commonly do |
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| 00:49.06 | Thunder_Child | yes, yes they do |
| 00:51.04 | bleetah | once a week here, though you never really hear about it unless they're a missing person but that takes about 14 days to get a public report |
| 00:51.13 | bleetah | by then, they've usually washed up on a beach nearby |
| 00:52.45 | kd3 | oh my gods what a come from behind put for tiger |
| 00:52.55 | kd3 | s/put/putt/ |
| 00:53.28 | ScytheBlade1 | My problem is NOT that I just got in to a lost ing AV match with less than 3m to go |
| 00:54.17 | ScytheBlade1 | My problem is that someone, instead of losing, afk'd out and put a 15m debuff on their character |
| 00:54.21 | ScytheBlade1 | OI got free honor and a token. Why leave? |
| 00:56.06 | ScytheBlade1 | *I |
| 01:04.37 | Cairenn | ScytheBlade1: you're expecting people to make sense? |
| 01:08.22 | Thunder_Child | besides, there are at least 2 good reasons i can think of, a group that you need to go to and a real life issue |
| 01:11.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: well put |
| 01:11.10 | Cairenn | heh |
| 01:11.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Also, anyone know a way to open the knowledge base/GM ticket screen without clicking it? |
| 01:11.34 | ScytheBlade1 | I found a new type of bot in the battlegrounds today, get to report it ^^ |
| 01:14.53 | Lukian | it's like /ticket /gm or /help or something? |
| 01:16.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Ha, /gm |
| 01:16.40 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll have to remember that |
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| 01:20.40 | Lukian | ScytheBlade1, what's the bot doing? :D |
| 01:22.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Lukian: instead of running in circles in the middle of nowhere (AV) or simply doing nothing |
| 01:22.50 | ScytheBlade1 | This bot would run into a wall, or tree, face that wall or tree |
| 01:22.52 | ScytheBlade1 | And wait to be attacked |
| 01:23.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Once it was attacked, it would instantly cast one spell |
| 01:23.05 | ScytheBlade1 | And then sit there until it died |
| 01:23.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Res, run back to the exact same spot (assuming the same GY was up) |
| 01:23.21 | ScytheBlade1 | And repeat |
| 01:24.22 | Lukian | Hmm, the only bot i've seen in bg so far ran from the horde gy, into the fence and did the same thing |
| 01:24.26 | Lukian | (in AB) |
| 01:25.09 | Lukian | that was a few months ago too I think |
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| 01:51.32 | Cairenn | before I forget yet again - Happy Father's Day to any dads in the channel :) |
| 01:55.48 | Gnarfoz | ... like, today? |
| 01:56.12 | Cairenn | if it's still Sunday, 15 June, then yes |
| 01:56.23 | Cairenn | (where you are*) |
| 01:56.44 | Gnarfoz | hm, weird that that's on a totally different day for... wherever it is Father's day today |
| 01:56.56 | Gnarfoz | 'twas on May 1st for us :> |
| 01:57.41 | Gnarfoz | interesting how wikipedia even has correct data on that |
| 01:57.46 | Gnarfoz | *consumes* |
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| 02:00.02 | Corrodias | sigh, unbelievable. how did people get away with such shitty coding? i can't even play beyond good & evil because it runs at hyper speed |
| 02:00.15 | Corrodias | i don't have any form of multicore action going on, so that isn't a problem |
| 02:00.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Corrodias: it could arguably be less "get away with" and more "forced into".. "well, it works.. but it it may break in the future.." "who cares! you said it works! Ship it!" |
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| 02:01.21 | Corrodias | true |
| 02:04.10 | Thunder_Child | Corrodias. http://www.hpaa.com/moslo/ |
| 02:04.36 | Thunder_Child | and http://www.cpukiller.com/ i suppose |
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| 02:09.14 | Corrodias | it claims it's because of changing clock rates or multiple processors, which just can't be true >:/ |
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| 02:23.21 | bleetah | I'd like to travel beyond good and evil, but first I gotta wash the car |
| 02:25.33 | Corrodias | okay, i have another idea, since so far these haven't worked. maybe if i force the refresh rate to 60 instead of 85. |
| 02:29.58 | Corrodias | eh... rather than buy a program to slow my CPU, i'll just pirate the xbox version some day when i have a stupid xbox. or whatever console it was on. |
| 02:30.28 | Thunder_Child | ps2 |
| 02:30.39 | Thunder_Child | i'm watching the review...dosnt look to enjoyable |
| 02:30.50 | Corrodias | feels like an xbox game. well, that's good news, as i already have a ps2 with swap discs |
| 02:31.12 | Thunder_Child | ya, i have the same thing, just got GoW and FFX |
| 02:32.01 | Corrodias | gears of war? that's a xbox360 game, isn't it? |
| 02:32.06 | Thunder_Child | ps2 |
| 02:32.12 | Thunder_Child | i only have a ps2 |
| 02:32.28 | Thunder_Child | god of war |
| 02:32.31 | Thunder_Child | not gears |
| 02:32.41 | Corrodias | ah |
| 02:32.57 | Corrodias | god of war: i have that, just have to get around to burning it to a dvd. had to buy dual-layer discs for games like that. |
| 02:33.04 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 02:33.10 | Thunder_Child | i have it on a single layer |
| 02:33.22 | Corrodias | that surprises me. back in the day, it required dual |
| 02:33.39 | Corrodias | "Beyond Good & Evil is a video game for the GameCube, Microsoft Windows, PlayStation 2, and Xbox platforms." -- okay, so everybody was right about that one |
| 02:33.41 | Thunder_Child | i dunno, i found a perfect rip of it in single dvd layer size |
| 02:34.22 | Thunder_Child | ya, looks like it didnt miss a single platform...to bad it wasnt all that good |
| 02:34.49 | Corrodias | well, some people like it. i have to try it. |
| 02:36.24 | Thunder_Child | it was hand when it said "this game has a lot of stealth, if you dont care for stealth this isnt the game for you" well that worked for me |
| 02:36.28 | Thunder_Child | handy* |
| 02:37.13 | Corrodias | looks like the ps2 version is a bit technically inferior to the box and cube versions. i don't have my cube set up for piracy, but i don't have a box and have no motivation to get one |
| 02:37.40 | Thunder_Child | so get the box version and emulate it |
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| 02:39.35 | Corrodias | as i was saying, oddly, ngemu.com doesn't cover box emulators. i wonder how far along they got. it should be perfectly playable by now, if anybody bothered to develop an emu for it. |
| 02:39.48 | Corrodias | there were a couple way back when i last investigated, but neither was good or easy to find information on |
| 02:41.57 | Corrodias | oh, i guess it DOES cover box emulation news; there just hardly is any |
| 02:45.27 | Corrodias | cxbx is the only one that got anywhere and it's still stuck in a suckhole, for most games :( |
| 02:46.19 | MentalPower | interesting, I would think that would be the easiest to "emulate" since most code would run natively |
| 02:47.29 | MentalPower | since it *is* an off the shelf P3 that powers the XBox |
| 02:47.45 | Corrodias | i guess... the xbox never had enough games that anybody cared about playing after the initial playthrough :| |
| 02:48.23 | Corrodias | that weren't also available on the PC anyway |
| 02:50.15 | Corrodias | that panzer dragoon game looked nice. and i kinda wanted to give the ninja gaiden game a try. those are the only games i'd -have- to get a box for :P |
| 02:51.59 | MentalPower | granted |
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| 03:42.33 | kd3 | grammar nazis, double check me: when referring to an object, you'd use a sentence like "In its darkest hour" and not "In it's darkest hour", right? |
| 03:44.47 | batrick | yes |
| 03:45.03 | kd3 | gah, I've been up too long |
| 03:47.32 | Cairenn | its = possessive, it's = contraction for it is |
| 03:48.58 | Corrodias | it wasn't like that, in the past |
| 03:49.03 | Corrodias | but lots of things weren't like they are now |
| 04:00.18 | bleeter | 'in the darkest hour of it' -> 'it's darkest hour' |
| 04:00.41 | Tem | it's = it is |
| 04:00.45 | Tem | its = possessive it |
| 04:01.01 | bleeter | I got into a huge argument last night about English pluralisation when using imported words |
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| 04:01.19 | Tem | it's possible, though, that the brits do it the opposite way just to confuse us |
| 04:01.30 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, fun or serious? |
| 04:01.48 | Thunder_Child | and dont say serious fun |
| 04:01.51 | bleeter | fun argument. mate swore blind that the plural of octopus was octopi |
| 04:02.07 | Thunder_Child | eh..isnt that backward |
| 04:02.18 | bleeter | but it did bring up the interesting case of when media is the correct plural, and mediums is the correct plural |
| 04:02.46 | bleeter | 'coz he was going off about the national broadcaster using the word 'fora' as a plural of forums |
| 04:04.05 | MentalPower | what *is* the plural for octopus? |
| 04:04.21 | MentalPower | hey slouken, long time no see |
| 04:04.32 | Corrodias | nobody cares, basically. |
| 04:04.45 | Corrodias | i think most people think it's octopi |
| 04:05.02 | Corrodias | and, given the nature of language, whatever people think it is becomes it |
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| 04:05.44 | Thunder_Child | "Although it is often supposed that octopi is the 'correct' plural of octopus, and it has been in use for longer than the usual Anglicized plural octopuses, it in fact originates as an error. Octopus is not a simple Latin word of the second declension, but a Latinized form of the Greek word oktopous, and its 'correct' plural would logically be octopodes. " |
| 04:06.05 | slouken | hohos, por favor |
| 04:06.09 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: correct |
| 04:06.12 | slouken | or yohos |
| 04:06.22 | Thunder_Child | google wins again |
| 04:07.27 | Osagasu | o.O |
| 04:07.33 | bleeter | general modern rule in English, is for plurals of foreign words, anglicise the singular foreign word, otherwise we have to spend lots of time learning other languages just so we can pluralise one word, which is daft |
| 04:07.36 | MentalPower | so, what brings the blue pirate to these parts? |
| 04:07.47 | Osagasu | MP, how did you say hi to Slouken before he entered? |
| 04:07.51 | Thunder_Child | sad pirate? |
| 04:07.55 | bleeter | MentalPower: it wouldn't be your sex appeal, that's fer sure :P |
| 04:08.05 | MentalPower | ~lart bleeter |
| 04:08.05 | purl | puts on some milking gloves. "All right, now, bleeter, this won't hurt a bit...." |
| 04:08.12 | slouken | lol |
| 04:08.13 | Thunder_Child | we dont want to know how you know bleeter |
| 04:08.14 | MentalPower | lol! |
| 04:08.23 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: blizzcon '07 photos |
| 04:08.41 | slouken | mmm yoohoo |
| 04:08.46 | Thunder_Child | didnt i say i DONT want to know? |
| 04:09.00 | bleeter | i didn't say where you could go and burn your eyes out ;) |
| 04:09.02 | slouken | it's a lulu |
| 04:09.08 | bleeter | er s/and/to/ |
| 04:09.31 | slouken | random syllables |
| 04:09.38 | Thunder_Child | you didnt...but you could |
| 04:10.06 | bleeter | i'd get done for distributing weapons of mass destruction |
| 04:10.24 | slouken | So is there anything interesting going on? |
| 04:10.39 | Thunder_Child | it's fathers day...dunno if you hear that one |
| 04:10.45 | slouken | yup |
| 04:10.45 | bleeter | you'd be worried if there was, surely! |
| 04:10.46 | Thunder_Child | heard* |
| 04:10.54 | slouken | on account of being a father, mostly. :) |
| 04:10.58 | MentalPower | aren't we supposed to be the ones to ask that question? |
| 04:11.01 | Thunder_Child | sneaky you |
| 04:11.10 | MentalPower | happy father's day slouken :) |
| 04:11.19 | slouken | Nah, I'm off duty, so I get to ask you the hard questions. :) |
| 04:11.23 | bleeter | haha |
| 04:11.25 | Thunder_Child | huh...brit's and their "Orientated" |
| 04:11.40 | slouken | Thanks MP |
| 04:11.48 | Corrodias | as if orient isn't enough |
| 04:12.07 | Corrodias | next, they'll be saying orientationated |
| 04:12.08 | Thunder_Child | indeed sir, indeed |
| 04:12.09 | bleeter | what's the East got to do with it? |
| 04:12.17 | Thunder_Child | ~lart bleeter |
| 04:12.17 | purl | burns bleeter to a crisp with a laser |
| 04:12.24 | Thunder_Child | mmm..crisp... |
| 04:12.24 | Corrodias | reorientatened |
| 04:12.29 | bleeter | whaddididonoa? :( |
| 04:12.47 | bleeter | just 'coz your country was founded by a bunch of illiterates who didn't have a dictionary :P |
| 04:12.49 | Thunder_Child | not orential, orented |
| 04:12.57 | Thunder_Child | oriented* |
| 04:12.58 | bleeter | mind you, they didn't have one back in England at the time, either ;) |
| 04:13.25 | Thunder_Child | if it wasnt for the net i doubt i would have one either |
| 04:13.32 | Thunder_Child | (not that i really use it) |
| 04:13.33 | Corrodias | i speak the language of love, and my dictionary is in my pants |
| 04:13.50 | Thunder_Child | missing a lot of words then? |
| 04:14.11 | Corrodias | take a look and i'll show you my extended edition |
| 04:14.30 | slouken | I think a few people ripped pages out though... and it's missing a cover |
| 04:14.55 | slouken | Okay folks, I'm gonna go read. night night |
| 04:14.55 | bleeter | i dun wanna know how you know this |
| 04:15.01 | Thunder_Child | night slouken |
| 04:15.03 | MentalPower | night slouken |
| 04:15.04 | bleeter | gnight slouken, rest well when you get there mate :) |
| 04:15.16 | Corrodias | ni |
| 04:15.21 | Thunder_Child | mate me arse |
| 04:15.35 | bleeter | pfft, cobber's reserved for aussies |
| 04:15.36 | slouken | Is that a request? |
| 04:15.45 | bleeter | dunno, as the wife |
| 04:16.05 | MentalPower | lol! |
| 04:16.05 | Thunder_Child | uhh....wait, what? |
| 04:16.19 | bleeter | i think you just got owned, Thunder_Child ;) |
| 04:16.25 | bleeter | and I typoed badly |
| 04:17.00 | Thunder_Child | was slouken's comment directed at me? |
| 04:17.14 | bleeter | think so |
| 04:17.41 | MentalPower | I think so too |
| 04:17.46 | Thunder_Child | thats just messed up....insult and run... |
| 04:17.52 | bleeter | interesting he used arse and not ass |
| 04:17.53 | Thunder_Child | no manners whatsoever |
| 04:18.01 | bleeter | well he IS a pirate |
| 04:18.13 | Thunder_Child | even pirates have manners |
| 04:18.41 | bleeter | RP pirates spit on GMs to show respect; so is spitting manners? |
| 04:18.56 | bleeter | the screenshot's somewhere on wowbash of that one |
| 04:20.13 | MentalPower | I wonder if the GM played along... |
| 04:20.43 | Corrodias | no, he was trying to get them to stop griefing somehow, i think |
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| 04:21.52 | bleeter | GM played along insofar as didn't action them further |
| 04:22.04 | MentalPower | lol, I guess that works |
| 04:22.26 | bleeter | http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh56/kantankerus/d5b_gm1.jpg |
| 04:22.35 | bleeter | that's it, knew I saved it locally somewhere |
| 04:27.42 | MentalPower | rofl! |
| 04:27.46 | MentalPower | thats priceless |
| 04:28.13 | bleeter | yar, prolly why the GM let it slide. can almost see the GM killing themselves laughing in a big part there where they don't say anything |
| 04:30.09 | Thunder_Child | i think i would shoot myself if i has to talk like that |
| 04:30.16 | Thunder_Child | twice |
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| 04:34.48 | Fisker- | i like how he threatens them for spitting on him |
| 04:35.08 | bleeter | i like threat at the end, walking the plank backwards |
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| 05:19.28 | Tekkub | god they need to stop letting Russel T Davies write Who eps |
| 05:19.41 | Tekkub | every one is worse than the last |
| 05:25.49 | bleeter | kd3: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/6324 <- no more screwing around for different platform front ends for mpd |
| 05:25.59 | kd3 | ooh |
| 05:26.05 | bleeter | and looks sexy too |
| 05:27.33 | Fisker- | hmm |
| 05:27.44 | Fisker- | looks like a man humping an animal |
| 05:30.02 | Fisker- | amirite? |
| 05:33.37 | bleeter | u r |
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| 05:43.07 | Thunder_Child | huh...this might come in handy for thoes research papers http://www.zotero.org/ |
| 05:47.07 | Corrodias | thanks |
| 05:50.12 | Thunder_Child | lol Corrodias, i was actually talking about myself |
| 05:50.44 | Corrodias | you are a research paper? |
| 05:50.47 | Corrodias | IN PROGRESS |
| 05:51.08 | Fisker- | i disagree Thunder_Child |
| 05:51.11 | Thunder_Child | uh...no, the semester ended...and then starts again tomorrow |
| 05:51.13 | Fisker- | please activate your self destruct |
| 05:51.15 | Thunder_Child | >.< |
| 05:51.42 | Thunder_Child | *Error* *Error* |
| 05:52.05 | Thunder_Child | *Fisker- still alive, omega protocols in effect* |
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| 06:51.24 | Thunder_Child | uhhh.....http://www.nerdgirls.org/ |
| 06:51.49 | nevcairiel | reality tv o.O |
| 06:52.44 | Thunder_Child | ya, but the article said something about hot....i seem to be missing soemthing |
| 06:53.37 | Thunder_Child | but the newest xkcd is near and dear to my heart |
| 06:53.41 | Thunder_Child | tormenting others |
| 06:54.11 | nevcairiel | haha yeah that one was great |
| 06:55.48 | Thunder_Child | also, the encryption is either fantastic or they were using an atari to crack it http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/06/16/0440225 |
| 06:56.51 | nevcairiel | It isnt too hard to get a encryption that takes 2 years |
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| 06:57.22 | Thunder_Child | thats dependant on whats doing the brute forcing though |
| 06:57.24 | MentalPower | vs the US government's resources? |
| 06:58.23 | nevcairiel | if the datablock is big enough, a cycling encryption algorithm with a long key .. i bet its possible |
| 07:00.29 | MentalPower | anyways, gnight |
| 07:00.38 | Thunder_Child | lets email the roadrunner people and see what they say |
| 07:00.42 | Thunder_Child | night MentalPower|ZzZz |
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| 08:04.17 | Hapnintwo | Hello |
| 08:05.13 | Thunder_Child | hi Hapnintwo |
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| 09:01.47 | Thunder_Child | someone shoot me http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kt4Go_TKdoE |
| 09:02.05 | nevcairiel | aaaaaaahhh what did you do to us |
| 09:02.13 | nevcairiel | how can you post something like that |
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| 09:15.55 | Fisker- | lols |
| 09:15.58 | Fisker- | he's using safari |
| 09:16.10 | Fisker- | we found Adys i see |
| 09:16.10 | Fisker- | :D |
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| 09:24.36 | Thunder_Child | nevcairiel, i belive the comment is something to the effect of misery loves company |
| 09:26.23 | Fisker- | i love you Thunder_Child |
| 09:26.48 | Thunder_Child | so that makes you misery and me the company |
| 09:29.47 | Fisker- | nah |
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| 10:10.49 | Adys_ | Fisker-: even if i wanted to i cant use safari :/ |
| 10:12.57 | Thunder_Child | i bet you could if you really wanted to |
| 10:13.51 | Adys_ | Im not suicidal enough to use safari under wine |
| 10:14.19 | Thunder_Child | stop after safari and it works perfectly |
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| 12:23.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Who didn't sleep at all last night?! |
| 12:23.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Whoo, someone to share in my suffering. |
| 12:23.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Sadly, it's 6:23 AM and I'm wide awake |
| 12:23.53 | ScytheBlade1 | For better or for worse? Who knows! My raid group can tell you in about 12 hours. |
| 12:24.25 | Lopeppeppy | Pretty much the same here, barring the time zone thing. And I have sun poisoning from yesterday, add that to the mix. |
| 12:24.53 | Lopeppeppy | I'm dehydrated, blistered, and hurtin' all over! Redheads + sunshine /= anything good at all. |
| 12:25.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Ouch, I'm sorry :/ |
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| 12:26.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Me? I just had a migraine at 9:00 PM. Sent me under for three hours, in a very very light sleep. Then I woke up fully, and have been sitting in bed ever since |
| 12:27.05 | Lopeppeppy | That also is not good. Summer time sucks. |
| 12:30.41 | ScytheBlade1 | The other problem is that the vent in my room is directly across from the furnace - and we have central air conditioning. For whatever reason, I have a vent and a vent only - no cover |
| 12:30.52 | ScytheBlade1 | So I get some awesome 50 degree air blowing on me all night long. |
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| 12:32.41 | Lopeppeppy | Put something in front of it? Herrro? |
| 12:33.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Well it's in the ceiling, so I'm limited in options |
| 12:33.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Have a crappy towel in there now, but it likes to have a mind of its own |
| 12:34.38 | Lopeppeppy | Peppy recommends towels plus nails to create a windblock. Also recommends eating more wheaties. |
| 12:34.59 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 12:35.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Suggestions well noted |
| 12:35.28 | Shirik | anyone know of a good, free code profiling tool? |
| 12:35.42 | zenzio | what sort of code profiling? |
| 12:35.43 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, Shirik. But no, I don't know. |
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| 12:35.52 | Shirik | morning |
| 12:36.03 | zenzio | doesn't AMD have a free Code Analyst or somesuch? Not sure what level it does |
| 12:37.10 | Shirik | you are indeed correct |
| 12:37.12 | Shirik | A runtime application analyzer that uses two techniques, profiling and pipeline simulation, to help you understand where to optimize your code; it works on native code, Java apps, and managed .NET applications. |
| 12:37.17 | Shirik | <3 you zenzio |
| 12:38.45 | ScytheBlade1 | I do believe it is time for a shower, followed by food |
| 12:39.06 | ScytheBlade1 | This "waking up in the morning" or even "being alive in the morning" thing is new to me :/ |
| 12:39.33 | Shirik | damn, it even integrates with VS 2008 |
| 12:39.35 | Shirik | this is a good tool |
| 12:44.24 | Shirik | except that whatever hell digital signature this app has is taking forever to verify |
| 12:44.37 | Shirik | and locking up explorer.exe in the process >.> |
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| 12:45.09 | Codexius | anyone around? |
| 12:45.28 | Shirik | hi |
| 12:45.43 | Codexius | can you help me with a problem im getting with today's release of autobar? |
| 12:46.08 | sacarasc | the error everyone seems to be getting? |
| 12:46.14 | Codexius | am i allowed to paste an error into here? |
| 12:46.14 | Shirik | mmm, have to restart real quick, but someone else can probably help |
| 12:46.17 | Codexius | gladi m not the only one |
| 12:46.32 | Codexius | first error is "'then' expected near 'AutoBar'" in core.lua |
| 12:46.40 | Codexius | followed by a bunch of attempt to index global 'AutoBar' (a nil value |
| 12:47.19 | sacarasc | [12:44:28] <+CIA-43> 7destiny * r76835 AutoBar/Core.lua: AutoBar : Fix error |
| 12:47.24 | sacarasc | update again |
| 12:47.37 | Codexius | you just fixed it? |
| 12:47.48 | sacarasc | not me, someone else about an hour ago |
| 12:48.03 | Codexius | ive updated since then, still getting it |
| 12:48.40 | sacarasc | iirc, from the time the svn update goes through to the time it's publicly available is about an hour |
| 12:48.56 | Codexius | so any time now it should be up? |
| 12:49.04 | sacarasc | should be |
| 12:49.17 | Codexius | my wau says last update was... |
| 12:49.21 | Codexius | 3hrs |
| 12:49.24 | Codexius | so should be ok :) |
| 12:49.33 | Codexius | hey, heres another question... im getting a generic FuBarPlugin-2.0\FuBarPlugin-2.0.lua:23: FuBarPlugin-2.0 requires AceOO-2.0. |
| 12:49.33 | Codexius | FuBarPlugin-2.0\FuBarPlugin-2.0.lua:23: in main chunk |
| 12:49.42 | Codexius | and i dont know where its stemming rom |
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| 12:49.55 | Codexius | doesnt say which addon is popping htat |
| 12:49.59 | Codexius | that* |
| 12:52.34 | Codexius | sac, any way to trace where it is coming from? |
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| 12:54.00 | Lopeppeppy | Do a binary search on your fubar plugins, see which one tosses the error? But such a generic error is hard to trace, you sure it's not just fubar itself? |
| 12:54.17 | Codexius | how do i do a binary search? :) |
| 12:54.43 | Codexius | u mean tryin them out one by one? |
| 13:00.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Half by half |
| 13:00.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Turn off the top half of your addons, log into WoW, see if you get the error |
| 13:01.06 | ScytheBlade1 | If you get the error, then you know that the error is in the bottom half of your addons. Disable half of those. |
| 13:01.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Repeat. |
| 13:01.12 | Codexius | yea, gotcha |
| 13:02.03 | Codexius | hey how did sac check the last update of autobar through irc? |
| 13:02.03 | ScytheBlade1 | You sit in a channel that tells you when an update happens. ;) |
| 13:02.03 | ScytheBlade1 | It's a passive thing, not an active request thing. |
| 13:02.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Channel is in the /topic. |
| 13:02.12 | Shirik | zenzio: can I say again I absolutely love this program? |
| 13:02.34 | Codexius | which program? |
| 13:02.36 | zenzio | certainly :-p |
| 13:02.42 | Shirik | CodeAnalyst |
| 13:02.49 | Shirik | I'm very surprised by the report |
| 13:03.02 | Codexius | ok rather how did sacarasc search through the history and find when that update happened? |
| 13:03.16 | sacarasc | it was reported in #wowace |
| 13:03.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Codexius: he was sitting in the channel when it the update came across |
| 13:03.24 | Codexius | oh |
| 13:03.38 | Codexius | whats codeanalyst do? |
| 13:03.51 | foxlit | should really be throwing errors at offending code, rather than within libraries |
| 13:04.05 | Shirik | it's a code profiler |
| 13:04.23 | Shirik | one that pointed out that my bottleneck is because I'm converting back and forth between double and integer very rapidly |
| 13:04.36 | Shirik | and not because of what I thought it was, which was a complex math routine :P |
| 13:05.11 | Lopeppeppy | It's all complex math routines, dear. |
| 13:05.28 | Shirik | ok, but not 8x8 matrix calculation and transformation |
| 13:05.38 | Shirik | the most offending line is return b+g; |
| 13:05.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: 2+2=5? |
| 13:06.17 | Codexius | if AutoBar was updated an hour ago but WAU says it was updated 3 hours ago, how do you get the updated version rirectly? wowace.com/downloads says <1 second ago, but its said that for an hour |
| 13:06.23 | foxlit | that's what my tshirt says! |
| 13:06.26 | Lopeppeppy | If I'm wearing mittens, yes, ScytheBlade1. |
| 13:07.08 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/generic/60f5/ for the reference |
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| 13:07.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Codexius: you wait for it to update, and watch the version number |
| 13:08.11 | Lopeppeppy | I want that shirt. Yes. |
| 13:09.36 | ScytheBlade1 | If there's one shirt on there that I'd like, it'd be http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/generic/60f5/ |
| 13:09.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Err |
| 13:09.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Stupid copy |
| 13:09.44 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/generic/8f52/ |
| 13:09.57 | Lopeppeppy | Don't we all, ScytheBlade1 |
| 13:10.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, but I'm even a bit more "off" than most |
| 13:10.27 | ScytheBlade1 | See: me infecting a real copy of windows with various keyloggers "just because" |
| 13:10.29 | foxlit | hah, fun |
| 13:10.44 | Lopeppeppy | I think Shirik does that stuff too.... crazy monkeys |
| 13:10.48 | foxlit | copied website to another server without copying styling, it appeared to work |
| 13:11.02 | foxlit | sneaking cache is sneaky. |
| 13:11.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Mmm, crazy people. |
| 13:11.46 | Shirik | I does what? |
| 13:12.00 | Lopeppeppy | Play with computer viruses like they're pick up sticks? |
| 13:12.23 | Shirik | yup |
| 13:12.36 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1 forgets this :P |
| 13:12.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Didn't you do that in a virtual machine, Shirik? |
| 13:12.36 | Lopeppeppy | Crazy code monkey. *hug* |
| 13:12.41 | Shirik | negative |
| 13:12.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, I thought you did |
| 13:12.51 | ScytheBlade1 | ~Shirik++ |
| 13:13.06 | Shirik | I'm both too lazy and my philosophy is that if I infect myself, I deserve it |
| 13:13.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Agreed |
| 13:13.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Footnote: my WoW password to both of my accounts is cursing my inability to know when clean is clean |
| 13:14.01 | ScytheBlade1 | (When I already know that it was not clean, and logged in anyways) |
| 13:14.06 | Codexius | hey guys thanoks for the help :) |
| 13:14.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Sure thing |
| 13:14.23 | Shirik | I did accidentally run a viral script once |
| 13:14.30 | Shirik | forgot to set a breakpoint |
| 13:14.32 | Shirik | UAC blocked it |
| 13:14.50 | Shirik | or windows defender |
| 13:14.52 | Shirik | something blocked it |
| 13:14.53 | Lopeppeppy | You guys are weird. I will bring a case of computer sized condoms to Blizzcon. |
| 13:14.58 | Shirik | rofl |
| 13:15.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Wow, that alone makes me wish I could be there |
| 13:15.51 | Lopeppeppy | Garbage bags, guys, jeez. |
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| 13:16.13 | ScytheBlade1 | For our minds? |
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| 13:18.03 | Cairenn | if the garbage bag fits ... |
| 13:18.11 | Lopeppeppy | Wear it. |
| 13:18.20 | Cairenn | *grin* |
| 13:18.54 | Lopeppeppy | Oh! |
| 13:19.12 | Lopeppeppy | Wait, poke a hole in the top for air, if you put it over your head. No dying for fashion. |
| 13:19.14 | Cairenn | was it good for you Lopeppeppy? |
| 13:19.26 | Lopeppeppy | Cairenn, it so was not. < -- sun poisoning |
| 13:19.31 | Cairenn | ugh |
| 13:20.30 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah. Now I have to be uber careful all summer so I don't make it worse. |
| 13:21.07 | Cairenn | been there done that |
| 13:21.56 | Lopeppeppy | I'm supposed to be all moving and active and outdoors. I forget my hat one bloody day.... *sigh* I hate hats. |
| 13:23.45 | ScytheBlade1 | And now to eat pie in the morning |
| 13:23.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Mmmm |
| 13:23.55 | Lopeppeppy | I have some ice cream for later! |
| 13:28.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Ice Cream takes a fair bit of effort though |
| 13:29.01 | ScytheBlade1 | This pie is sitting there ready |
| 13:29.24 | Lopeppeppy | Ice cream is sitting there ready too. Me, spoon, ice cream. You, spork, pie. No extra steps in either. |
| 13:29.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Haha, well if you cheat and eat it out of the container, sure |
| 13:31.36 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah. I get the mini ben and jerrys, about a 1/2 cup of ice cream in each container. Even comes with its own spoon |
| 13:31.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah, gotcha |
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| 13:51.54 | kd3 | mmm, pie for breakfast |
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| 13:52.22 | ScytheBlade1 | true story |
| 13:53.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Also, I bugged out my weapons again |
| 13:53.33 | ScytheBlade1 | This time I have two main hand weapons equipped at once, or at least, that's what looking at me and /inspect would show you |
| 14:00.30 | kd3 | oh gack... suddenly $4/gal gas doesn't seem so bad... fark: [Scary] Fuel hits £1.99 per litre in UK, that's $17.69 per gallon in USian money, subby investing in shoe leather |
| 14:01.20 | nevcairiel | i always laugh at US'ers crying about fuel costs |
| 14:01.26 | nevcairiel | visit europe some day! |
| 14:01.54 | Shirik | I hate installers that say "lol you have to restart your computer" when you don't |
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| 14:02.48 | kd3 | but... it's windows! don't you have to restart your computer for everything? |
| 14:03.19 | ScytheBlade1 | The number of times you reboot is inversely related to your computer ability ;) |
| 14:03.27 | nevcairiel | but UK is eve scaryer i have to admit, here its roughly only 10 USD/gallon |
| 14:03.29 | nevcairiel | *even |
| 14:03.35 | kd3 | or at least insert the windows 98 disk. "Look, I know you have the Windows 98 disk. Insert it now or the computer blows up!" |
| 14:03.50 | kd3 | ...why is that the only thing I remember about w98? |
| 14:04.02 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 14:04.04 | ScytheBlade1 | probably because that's the only memorable thing :) |
| 14:04.25 | dylanm | I remember being able to put webpages on my desktop background that was a KEY FEATURE. |
| 14:04.34 | nevcairiel | Active Desktop! |
| 14:04.52 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm so glad that effectively died |
| 14:04.57 | kd3 | indeed |
| 14:05.02 | nevcairiel | I was just wondering if you could still do that |
| 14:05.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Don't get me wrong |
| 14:05.03 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 14:05.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Being 10 at the time it was awesome |
| 14:05.22 | dylanm | I know right you could put comics and stuff on there. |
| 14:05.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 14:05.46 | ScytheBlade1 | And the random animated .gifs of Starcraft units that you had compiled from the .grp's |
| 14:05.56 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 14:06.13 | dylanm | But Calvin and Hobbes had already ended so it wasn't that useful. |
| 14:06.37 | durcyn | the best part was when they decided to use active desktop to handle non-bmp backgrounds, so you'd end up with different images depending on how windows choked that day |
| 14:06.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
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| 14:09.45 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm so glad that entire operating system died a swift death |
| 14:10.30 | ScytheBlade1 | *stab* *stab* *stab* |
| 14:13.46 | Shirik | !g cvttsd2si |
| 14:13.47 | batbot | Shirik: CVTTSD2SI--Convert Scalar Double-Precision Floating-Point Value to ... <http://www.sesp.cse.clrc.ac.uk/html/SoftwareTools/vtune/users_guide/mergedProjects/analyzer_ec/mergedProjects/reference_olh/mergedProjects/instructions/instruct32_hh/vc67...(tldr) |
| 14:13.54 | Shirik | wtf |
| 14:13.57 | ScytheBlade1 | haha @ tldr |
| 14:13.58 | Shirik | can't even give me the URL |
| 14:13.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Owned |
| 14:14.02 | Shirik | ~fail batbot |
| 14:14.03 | purl | batbot, you Fail! |
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| 14:42.45 | Shirik | I feel special now |
| 14:42.50 | Shirik | my program crashed reflector |
| 14:45.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah, slashdot. Where old is new again, every other day of the week. |
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| 15:13.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Argh, why is my stomach eating itself =[ |
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| 15:13.25 | ScytheBlade1 | And why must we have so many magelo threads on the forums |
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| 15:29.50 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: what's up with magelo? |
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| 15:31.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: three threads on the UI forums "is this legal???" |
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| 15:32.51 | Fisker- | magelo? |
| 15:33.11 | ScytheBlade1 | App that reads WoW's memory and uploads data to a website |
| 15:33.16 | Shirik | ah ScytheBlade1 |
| 15:34.06 | Shirik | ok, I'm now setting my program to be a time-critical (realtime) process; if I disappear, you can laugh at me |
| 15:34.37 | zenzelezz | why would you ever set it that high? |
| 15:34.38 | Fisker- | gief infos ScytheBlade1 |
| 15:34.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Fisker-: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=11114&sid=1 |
| 15:34.56 | Shirik | you're not supposed to laugh yet! |
| 15:35.07 | zenzelezz | setting any process to real-time can drain the OS services of any and all execution time |
| 15:35.11 | zenzelezz | High should be enough |
| 15:35.54 | Shirik | it's a mouse driver |
| 15:36.07 | Fisker- | well technically it isn't legit :P |
| 15:36.56 | Shirik | hm, this isn't going too poorly actually |
| 15:37.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Fisker-: exactly! |
| 15:38.07 | Shirik | well that wasn't bad |
| 15:38.16 | Shirik | ~lart kd3 |
| 15:38.16 | purl | makes a balloon animal out of kd3 |
| 15:38.30 | Fisker- | but ScytheBlade1 the official site has endorsed it :P |
| 15:38.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah. It's a problem. |
| 15:39.33 | zenzelezz | the EU site |
| 15:39.45 | zenzelezz | as the thread said, EU doesn't have all the same laws as the US |
| 15:40.03 | kd3 | waitasec, what? the EU site actually endorsed magelo? |
| 15:40.07 | kd3 | o_O; |
| 15:40.20 | Fisker- | yes |
| 15:40.22 | zenzelezz | the thread linked to a Community News post that mentioned it, yes |
| 15:40.36 | Drundia | i believe the most evil parts of tos have no effect in eu |
| 15:40.53 | Fisker- | well they already don't care much for datamining apparently |
| 15:40.55 | Shirik | when you get down to it, xfire breaks wow's tos too |
| 15:40.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Front page newspost |
| 15:41.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: there are ways of getting the server you're on without interfacing with WoW directly |
| 15:41.57 | nevcairiel | by detecting what ip you are connected to? |
| 15:42.01 | nevcairiel | thats kinda suckish :P |
| 15:42.13 | nevcairiel | i bet they scan your memory |
| 15:42.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Or just by watching the file reads on the folders. |
| 15:42.20 | Drundia | then netstat breaks tos too |
| 15:42.37 | Fisker- | lol |
| 15:42.44 | zenzelezz | the program doesn't; using the program for such a purpose might |
| 15:42.47 | Fisker- | it has found my bank items before i even went to the bank |
| 15:42.58 | Drundia | ooooh |
| 15:42.59 | AckisWork | programs like ethereal break tos as well |
| 15:43.01 | Drundia | that's interesting |
| 15:43.03 | Fisker- | netstat isn't interfering with wow's memory space Drundia |
| 15:43.13 | cog|work | Fisker-: tos covers net traffic |
| 15:43.23 | cog|work | (packet sniffing and such) |
| 15:43.39 | zenzelezz | if you want to dig into things like that, you might as well say the OS/network drivers break the TOS |
| 15:44.05 | Drundia | i believe it's from glider issues that customers are allowed to load wow into memory to run it |
| 15:44.16 | AckisWork | windows needs to allow you to run programs in isolated environments like linux |
| 15:44.36 | nevcairiel | from what i understand, they cannot really make it illegal to sniff the traffic, however its illegal to send forged stuff |
| 15:44.54 | cog|work | or reverse-engineer the traffic |
| 15:45.04 | AckisWork | nevcairiel: I've seen posts about people banned for sniffing traffic... however everything you read on the internet is real |
| 15:45.22 | nevcairiel | AckisWork: good luck at catching me sniffing :P |
| 15:45.27 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: I never looked into what exactly xfire's doing, but I don't think it does something as dirty as that |
| 15:45.39 | Shirik | but yes, it could |
| 15:45.52 | nevcairiel | Shirik: it simply shows which server/char you are on, iirc |
| 15:45.59 | Shirik | this is true |
| 15:46.11 | AckisWork | nevcairiel: there are ways to do it without issue (ie: intercept traffic on a different box) however with programs you load on your PC blizz prolly snoops them |
| 15:46.11 | Fisker- | http://wow.magelo.com/profile/5866 <-in b4 B& |
| 15:46.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Dirty is relative, that's probably the only way to get the info without reading the memory directly |
| 15:46.30 | AckisWork | if only blizz was required to follow the laws of the country they sell the program in :( |
| 15:46.44 | nevcairiel | whats so great about that magelo stuff anyway? |
| 15:46.51 | Shirik | I like the artwork |
| 15:46.53 | nevcairiel | not like it can read data that addons cannot get to |
| 15:46.54 | Fisker- | not much imo |
| 15:46.59 | Fisker- | other than the 3d model data |
| 15:47.03 | Shirik | that being said I haven't used it since the first day it came out |
| 15:47.05 | Fisker- | but that's a pretty lame feature anyways |
| 15:47.21 | nevcairiel | meh wowhead and wowdb have 3d models |
| 15:47.47 | Drundia | technically they are required to follow the laws of the country they sell the program in |
| 15:48.43 | nevcairiel | of course |
| 15:49.20 | AckisWork | Drundia: they don't, I've requested numerous times to see my "file" and they refuse :P |
| 15:49.34 | Drundia | sue them |
| 15:49.46 | Drundia | what file do you mean? |
| 15:49.52 | AckisWork | that's more work than needed |
| 15:50.03 | AckisWork | personal file/GM file/anything they have about me |
| 15:50.04 | Shirik | SSE was available in what? Pentium II? |
| 15:50.33 | zenzelezz | "Streaming SIMD Extensions (SSE) is a SIMD (Single Instruction, Multiple Data) instruction set extension to the x86 architecture, designed by Intel and introduced in 1999 in their Pentium III series processors as a reply to AMD's 3DNow! (which had debuted a year earlier). SSE contains 70 new instructions." |
| 15:50.50 | AckisWork | anyways afk work stuff, it's nice to be armchair lawyers :P |
| 15:51.12 | Shirik | <3 |
| 15:51.24 | durcyn | katmai |
| 15:51.27 | zenzelezz | "AMD eventually added support for SSE instructions, starting with its Athlon XP processor. " |
| 15:51.28 | durcyn | yeah, what zen said |
| 15:52.04 | Shirik | I think it's safe to say everyone will have SSE now yeah? |
| 15:52.10 | nevcairiel | probably |
| 15:52.15 | zenzelezz | some revision, yes |
| 15:52.17 | durcyn | and then you have sse2 with the original p4, sse3 with prescott p4 |
| 15:52.24 | zenzelezz | whether it's SSE 1-4 is harder to tell |
| 15:52.50 | Shirik | found a very useful instruction that my compiler refuses to use because it can't assume things, so I'm going to try inline assembly, but that means restricting people to at least SSE1 |
| 15:53.09 | nevcairiel | the commands you want only in SSE? |
| 15:53.19 | nevcairiel | cant do it with MMX or raw commands? :p |
| 15:53.21 | Shirik | well I could do it with several non-SSE commands |
| 15:53.23 | zenzelezz | realistically, will you be supporting users of older CPUs than the 2000 era? |
| 15:53.31 | Shirik | but SSE is designed for this, really |
| 15:53.40 | Shirik | processing 2 million numbers every 1/30 sec |
| 15:53.41 | nevcairiel | then use it |
| 15:53.49 | nevcairiel | just require it |
| 15:53.50 | nevcairiel | and done |
| 15:54.19 | zenzelezz | if utterly necessary, do like some do and offer one generic and one SSE build; should be a matter of one #ifdef |
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| 15:54.54 | Shirik | not a bad idea zenzelezz |
| 15:56.00 | Shirik | why I like the SSE solution: SSE can do with one instruction what 8 iterations of 3 normal instructions would do for me :) Considering this is where CodeAnalyst says the bottleneck is, I think I'm justified in trying this |
| 15:57.36 | wereHamster | < AckisWork> Drundia: they don't, I've requested numerous times to see my "file" and they refuse :P - in which country are they required to do so? |
| 15:57.52 | AckisWork | Canada |
| 15:57.53 | nevcairiel | out of curiosity, could you write the comparison of the commands in some pastey? =P |
| 15:58.08 | Shirik | sure |
| 15:58.14 | nevcairiel | I never looked at SSE before |
| 15:58.15 | wereHamster | AckisWork: sue them :) |
| 15:58.18 | nevcairiel | only some mmx |
| 15:59.03 | AckisWork | There is a fundamental difference in privacy in Canada and the US... in the US the company owns your information, in Canada the information is always owned by the person and the company requests permission to use it/store it... and as for the sue them, I answered that already :P |
| 15:59.04 | zenzelezz | can't recall about MMX, but SSE is native 128-bit IIRC |
| 15:59.13 | wereHamster | Shirik, x264 assumes mmx but not sse |
| 15:59.26 | nevcairiel | assuming MMX is a pretty safe bet |
| 15:59.30 | AckisWork | anyways afk for work again :P |
| 15:59.37 | nevcairiel | Pentium MMX came out when? |
| 15:59.39 | nevcairiel | ages ago? |
| 15:59.40 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 15:59.42 | zenzelezz | yeah |
| 15:59.57 | Shirik | mind if I give you pseudo-comparison? (not every parameter exactly because I haven't worked it out yet :P) |
| 16:00.00 | nevcairiel | 1997 |
| 16:00.08 | nevcairiel | sure that works |
| 16:00.17 | zenzelezz | for one example of SSE, check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streaming_SIMD_Extensions |
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| 16:05.40 | Drundia | so that's why they love 32-bit floats so much internally.... |
| 16:06.45 | zenzelezz | a lot of people aren't aware that there is an 80-bit double in C++ (although most compilers don't implement it) |
| 16:07.46 | wereHamster | long double |
| 16:08.00 | zenzelezz | aye |
| 16:08.31 | nevcairiel | its not even in any official standard, no? |
| 16:08.41 | nevcairiel | ah no, in C99 |
| 16:08.52 | Shirik | here you go nevcairiel |
| 16:08.53 | Shirik | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/89605 |
| 16:08.56 | Shirik | sorry that took forever |
| 16:09.15 | Shirik | and "JLT" should be "JL" |
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| 16:09.26 | Shirik | sorry, I've been coding microcontrollers for way too long >.> |
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| 16:09.36 | Shirik | been a while since I've done IA32 work |
| 16:09.50 | nevcairiel | i was wondering that the T meant |
| 16:09.51 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 16:09.56 | Shirik | note that not only are 15-17 replaced by the single instruction 5 |
| 16:10.03 | Shirik | but line 5 does that 128 times |
| 16:10.32 | zenzelezz | "The set of values of the type double is a subset of the set of values of the type long double", page 55 of my copy of the C++ standard |
| 16:10.52 | zenzelezz | technical corrigendum 1 |
| 16:11.19 | nevcairiel | I tend to work with the original standard, usually compilers support it. Not that i never needed more precision anyway |
| 16:11.44 | zenzelezz | I know many don't implement it, but that doesn't mean it's not in the standard :) |
| 16:12.09 | Shirik | sorry, does it 16 times, not 128 |
| 16:12.14 | Shirik | 128 bits, 16 bytes :P |
| 16:12.33 | Shirik | so 125k iterations |
| 16:12.44 | Shirik | anyway, I have to go eat lunch, I shall return! |
| 16:12.48 | Drundia | usually like every compiler misses a bit of standard |
| 16:13.08 | zenzelezz | yeah |
| 16:13.09 | nevcairiel | microsoft compilers miss a lot more, and implement their own standard |
| 16:13.21 | nevcairiel | gcc usually is more on the standard side there |
| 16:13.37 | zenzelezz | true; but VC++ since 2003.Net has been fairly compliant |
| 16:13.43 | zenzelezz | with optional extensions |
| 16:13.49 | nevcairiel | they dont support C99 |
| 16:13.50 | nevcairiel | nuf said :P |
| 16:14.01 | zenzelezz | screw C, it's Visual C++, not Visual C |
| 16:14.26 | Drundia | many have long double, and for many it's equal to double |
| 16:14.33 | wereHamster | no compiler supports c99 fully, not even gcc |
| 16:14.38 | Drundia | and x87 FPU internally uses 80-bit floats.... |
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| 16:15.57 | nevcairiel | is 2003 still the latest finalized C++ standard? C++0x didnt make it yet, no? |
| 16:16.31 | zenzelezz | 0x is still a draft I believe |
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| 16:17.17 | nevcairiel | TR1 is on the horizon too |
| 16:18.26 | nevcairiel | hm 0x plans for supporting threading |
| 16:18.29 | nevcairiel | that would be nice |
| 16:18.44 | zenzelezz | indeed |
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| 16:19.24 | nevcairiel | and also tuples |
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| 16:21.36 | nevcairiel | and hash tables .. man finish it already :) |
| 16:22.43 | zenzelezz | lots of goodness |
| 16:22.56 | zenzelezz | non-sorted maps (TR1 I think?) |
| 16:23.16 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 16:25.24 | nevcairiel | I should get my ass on C++ again |
| 16:25.53 | zenzelezz | I'm a C++ fanboy, even though I'm mediocre at it |
| 16:31.38 | nevcairiel | I have some good experience with C++, although it couldve been more. But i stopped saying that i am good in one language .. once you know one, you can learn them all |
| 16:31.47 | nevcairiel | if you have to, anyway :) |
| 16:31.49 | nevcairiel | or want to :D |
| 16:31.54 | zenzelezz | hehe |
| 16:32.15 | zenzelezz | I try not to be judgemental of people's choice of language; I use what I like and they can use what they like |
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| 16:32.44 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 16:33.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik|AFK: http://blog.linode.com/2008/06/16/linode-5-year-anniversary-20-disk-increase/ |
| 16:34.17 | Esamynn | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/ssotd/#1375 LOL |
| 16:34.18 | dylanm | kd3: I can't believe they're playing 18 holes. |
| 16:35.04 | kd3 | I am. they said that was going to happen yesterday |
| 16:35.35 | kd3 | though tiger's probably not pleased with his knee the way it is |
| 16:35.58 | dylanm | kd3: Well I heard it yesterday, of course. |
| 16:36.12 | dylanm | I thought it was all 1-3 hole playoffs these days. |
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| 17:08.36 | Shirik|AFK | nevcairiel: C++0x is still a draft yes |
| 17:09.05 | Shirik|AFK | ScytheBlade1: <3 |
| 17:10.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik|AFK: log in to the web control panel and lish. shut it down from the panel, resize the disk, type 'boot' in lish |
| 17:10.11 | ScytheBlade1 | bam, entirely automated |
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| 17:32.41 | Shirik|AFK | error C4235: nonstandard extension used : '__int128' keyword not supported on this architecture |
| 17:32.44 | Shirik|AFK | :( |
| 17:33.27 | Shirik | another one of those "warnings that's actually an error" |
| 17:33.33 | Shirik | or "errors that's actually a warning" |
| 17:33.35 | Shirik | not sure which |
| 17:35.31 | Lopeppeppy | Eat more ice cream, the answer will come to you. |
| 17:35.57 | Shirik | I just had a milk shake |
| 17:36.37 | Lopeppeppy | Hmm.... I don't know why you're still getting errors then. Next time have a fribble? |
| 17:37.30 | AckisWork | Shirik: did it bring all the boys to the yard? |
| 17:38.16 | Shirik | that song is so bad I refuse to even make a comment on your statement |
| 17:38.22 | AckisWork | lol |
| 17:38.37 | Lopeppeppy | If it did, I'll come shopping, so let me know. |
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| 17:40.02 | Shirik | I found a solution though |
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| 17:40.27 | Lopeppeppy | Good, I guess that the milkshake just took some time to work, that's all. |
| 17:40.34 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/89609 |
| 17:40.38 | Shirik | so ugly... |
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| 17:47.19 | Lopeppeppy | That is not very long. What makes it ugly, Shirik? |
| 17:47.33 | Legorol | There's probably a good reason to it, but do I dare ask why do you need a constant table filled with 0xFF-s only? |
| 17:47.50 | zenzelezz | it's the maximum value of a 128-bit unsigned value |
| 17:47.57 | Mikk | 8-bit |
| 17:48.10 | zenzelezz | not the one Shirik posted Mikk |
| 17:48.13 | Mikk | oh pardon |
| 17:48.41 | Shirik | Legorol: what zenzelezz said :) Lopeppeppy: Mostly I just think the declaration is ugly |
| 17:48.48 | Shirik | __declspec(align(128)) static const unsigned char.... |
| 17:48.54 | Shirik | too long |
| 17:48.54 | Legorol | zenzelezz: I can see that, but is it not possible to code it more directly? Like 0xFFFFFFF.. |
| 17:49.02 | nevcairiel | anyone good with weird and non-logical UI behaviour? |
| 17:49.03 | AckisWork | well I feel like a n00b right now |
| 17:49.06 | zenzelezz | Legorol: not in this case |
| 17:49.12 | Shirik | I tried that, but __int128 is "not supported" :) |
| 17:49.26 | Mikk | memset(my128bit, 0xff, 8) works too fwiw |
| 17:49.49 | Lopeppeppy | How weird, nevcariel? |
| 17:49.54 | Shirik | indeed, but that requires a function call :) |
| 17:50.01 | Legorol | Shirik: if __int128 is not supported, will you be able to make decent use of the constant at all? |
| 17:50.08 | Mikk | Shirik: a good compiler will optimize it |
| 17:50.26 | Mikk | memset & co tend to become nice raw inlines |
| 17:50.32 | zenzelezz | Legorol: in SSE |
| 17:50.34 | Shirik | Legorol: The constant is being used in an SSE instruction |
| 17:50.46 | Legorol | nevcairiel: might as well ask, someone might know the answer. It never hurts to ask. |
| 17:50.49 | Shirik | specifically, I need to initialize one of the registers |
| 17:50.51 | Shirik | MOVAPS xmm1, MAXVAL ; xmm1 = All 1s (max) |
| 17:51.14 | Mikk | set it to 0 and subtract 1? :o) |
| 17:51.18 | Legorol | i feel enlightened |
| 17:51.21 | Shirik | can't, there's no way to subtract 1 :) |
| 17:51.23 | Mikk | dang! |
| 17:51.33 | Shirik | because it's actually 4 numbers, not 1, in that 128 bit register |
| 17:51.38 | Mikk | hokay |
| 17:51.41 | Mikk | <- sse nub |
| 17:51.50 | Shirik | I can either subtract 1 from all 4 numbers, or subtract 1 from only the 4th number leaving the other 3 alone |
| 17:51.57 | Shirik | neither of which would give me the right number :) |
| 17:52.05 | nevcairiel | I have some button that are managed by the blizzard Action Button template (ActionBarButtonTemplate), they are configured to hide when the specified action has no spell attached. I hooked the Update and :Show/:Hide functions, and everything seems to be fine. But the button doesnt hide as expected (yet :Hide is called, and :Show is never called <.<) |
| 17:53.54 | Legorol | testing it out of combat to be sure? |
| 17:54.00 | nevcairiel | yes of course |
| 17:54.08 | Legorol | sorry, had to ask. better safe than sorry |
| 17:54.17 | nevcairiel | it shouldnt be tainted, but all that was in shat =P |
| 17:54.44 | nevcairiel | the thing is, the button IS actually hidden |
| 17:54.51 | nevcairiel | i dump :IsShown |
| 17:54.55 | nevcairiel | in a post-hook |
| 17:55.05 | nevcairiel | but it doesnt hide in the UI, so it re-shows it somewhere ... <.< |
| 17:55.11 | Legorol | only thing i can suggest is to go hooking some blizz functions (even tainting them) to track where teh code leads, and see why it's not getting Shown |
| 17:55.23 | nevcairiel | being shown is no issue |
| 17:55.26 | nevcairiel | being hidden is =P |
| 17:55.34 | nevcairiel | it works if the button was hidden before |
| 17:55.38 | nevcairiel | and was supposed to be shown |
| 17:55.43 | nevcairiel | not other way around |
| 17:56.29 | nevcairiel | i actually hooked some stuff, and it seems to work fine, i even hooked :Show and :Hide, and nothing calls them |
| 17:56.32 | nevcairiel | i am out of ideas =( |
| 17:57.08 | Legorol | if nothing calls :Show / :Hide, then either a parent is shown/hidden instead, |
| 17:57.31 | Legorol | or (vague stab in the dark), its children get shown/hidden instead (like its textures) etc. |
| 17:57.51 | nevcairiel | a :Show on a child shouldnt make the parent appear |
| 17:58.13 | nevcairiel | and not vice-versa either |
| 17:58.17 | Legorol | no, but if you show/hide all its children that actually define its appearance, it will look like it's shown/hidden |
| 17:58.31 | Legorol | eg. if you hide all the textures, it will be invisible |
| 17:58.35 | nevcairiel | if the parent is hidden, all childs are hidden too |
| 17:58.36 | Legorol | i know that sounds dumb, and that's probably not it |
| 17:58.39 | Legorol | i know |
| 18:00.06 | nevcairiel | what puzzles me, that i never get a :Show/:Hide call for my button |
| 18:00.27 | nevcairiel | unless something caches that function before i hooked it |
| 18:00.30 | nevcairiel | and blizz doesnt do that |
| 18:01.56 | AckisWork | you know it's sad when you have to go to a gold seller site to see item links (hellgate london) :( |
| 18:06.25 | Thunder_Child | mmmmm....http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3334 |
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| 18:09.10 | Fisker- | fuck you and make a space |
| 18:09.36 | Thunder_Child | space...what? |
| 18:09.58 | Zurik | anyone familiar with mySQL in here? |
| 18:10.03 | Fisker- | there's no such protocol named mmmmm....http |
| 18:10.05 | Fisker- | BAWWWW |
| 18:10.17 | Zurik | shouldn't mySQL be able to handle a table with a million records? |
| 18:10.19 | Thunder_Child | oh..ya, my bad |
| 18:10.43 | foxlit | the amount of crap in addon raid channels during combat is astonishing |
| 18:11.00 | Thunder_Child | oddly enough it looks like they did a gaming series as well http://www.maximumpc.com/article/unveiled_nvidias_next_gen_gpu |
| 18:11.36 | Thunder_Child | err..nvm same thing |
| 18:12.26 | Thunder_Child | http://blogs.wsj.com/biztech/2008/06/06/men-write-code-from-mars-women-write-more-helpful-code-from-venus/ |
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| 18:23.56 | AckisWork | is esMX out of beta yet? |
| 18:24.02 | cog|work | Cide: clad|away: anyone else using my lua distro... just uploaded a new version to luaforge.net with the new strreplace function. |
| 18:24.25 | AckisWork | I use it, thanks for the update |
| 18:24.49 | AckisWork | all those "Dry-coded but compiles with luac -p" commit notes are thanks to you :P |
| 18:25.06 | cog|work | :) |
| 18:25.25 | Arrowmaster | cog|work: fyi we discovered something interesting about blizzards lua, theyve modified string.upper and string.lower to work with utf8, but not all utf8 |
| 18:26.28 | Kirov | It looks like NVidia has made the worlds largest, most powerful CPU. |
| 18:26.54 | zenzelezz | physically largest? |
| 18:27.07 | cog|work | Arrowmaster: are there any details posted anywhere? |
| 18:27.11 | foxlit | "cpu"? :) |
| 18:27.20 | Kirov | zenzelezz - 1.4 billion transistors. |
| 18:27.43 | zenzelezz | that doesn't answer my question |
| 18:27.56 | cog|work | also, i'm sitting lonely in #lua-wow if anyone needs another auto-join ;) |
| 18:27.59 | Kirov | zenzelezz - they're 4 times bigger than a core 2 duo |
| 18:28.13 | Kirov | physically |
| 18:28.22 | zenzelezz | ew |
| 18:28.33 | Kirov | There've been bigger cpus, but at the 45nm size, they're the biggest I know of. |
| 18:28.44 | kd3 | you mean the tesla? my news reader just picked up el reg's coverage of it |
| 18:28.45 | Arrowmaster | cog|work: not really, it seemed to effect all latin characters and most russian cryllic characters but not some other non-russian cryllic characters |
| 18:28.51 | DARKGuy | NVIDIA ftw. |
| 18:29.22 | Kirov | kd3 - yeah, looks awesome for high computational scientific data. |
| 18:29.28 | kd3 | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/06/16/nvidia_tesla_10/ |
| 18:29.34 | Kirov | for video games ... meh |
| 18:29.45 | Kirov | AMD might win this in the long run. |
| 18:30.09 | Lopeppeppy | I just want video card drivers that work. I don't care who makes them, if they will work! |
| 18:30.31 | AckisWork | since we're talking about hardware, what's a decent sound card nowadays? |
| 18:30.51 | kd3 | on-board? I <3 my intel hda |
| 18:31.09 | Kirov | AckisWork - yeah, on board unless you're doing actual recording. |
| 18:31.27 | AckisWork | I have onboard but I always hear a buzzing noise |
| 18:31.48 | Kirov | Creative's EAX is dead, no one supports it. Microsoft no longer supports DirectSound 3D |
| 18:32.00 | AckisWork | I won't touch a creative piece of shit produce |
| 18:32.02 | Lopeppeppy | You sure there's no actual hardware interference? Fans, wireless, AC, etc? |
| 18:32.03 | AckisWork | *product |
| 18:32.30 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: I don't know, there could be, but it becomes noticeable only when I run a program (wow or hellgate for example) |
| 18:32.47 | kd3 | you running up-to-date sound drivers? |
| 18:33.01 | AckisWork | yes... blackhawk soundmax ftw :( |
| 18:33.27 | Arrowmaster | good eax was shit anyway |
| 18:34.32 | AckisWork | creative products are shit Arrowmaster |
| 18:35.36 | AckisWork | it's just that buzzing noise really gets to me sometimes |
| 18:35.41 | Lopeppeppy | What do WoW and Hellgate have in common, AckisWork, that others don't? |
| 18:35.46 | Thunder_Child | Kirov, AMD is working with 55nm stuff, so i doubt they will win in the long run |
| 18:35.56 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: They're the only two games I play lol |
| 18:36.09 | Arrowmaster | i know i wasted money on a 6.1 creative sound card and 6.1 creative speakers over 4 years ago before 7.1 was available for computers and i cant even use it, using my onboard 5.1 with my 6.1 speakers |
| 18:36.31 | Lopeppeppy | AckisWork, do you use Ventrilo with both, maybe? Or something else? |
| 18:36.59 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: Vent is always opened, I use it on both games |
| 18:37.09 | AckisWork | best way to talk to the gf who's also a gamer is vent lol |
| 18:37.48 | Lopeppeppy | I got a lot of sound issues just after I tried the WoW in game voip options. Have you played with those at all? |
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| 18:38.38 | Arrowmaster | disable wow ingame voice |
| 18:38.43 | Arrowmaster | it fucks with vent |
| 18:38.44 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: disabled them all actually, I've played around w/ the wow sound setting immensely too, however I gave up when I realized it wasn't isolated to wow |
| 18:39.38 | Lopeppeppy | I still wonder what both WoW and Hellgate could be costing your computer that is the same between them, unless it's something in your Ventrilo codec or some way that one or the other is interacting.... |
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| 18:40.08 | AckisWork | I'll try testing out a few other games... I'll load CoD4 up again and TF2 and maybe some HL2 |
| 18:40.37 | AckisWork | if it is a problem with those games then it's something OSish, if not I can look for commonalities between Hellgate and WoW |
| 18:42.43 | AckisWork | what's really frustrating is that I've had the same problem on a different PC... 100% different hardware |
| 18:44.50 | Lopeppeppy | Same games? |
| 18:45.11 | AckisWork | yes with WoW, I didn't have hellgate back then |
| 18:45.38 | Thunder_Child | AckisWork, feedback from a mic? |
| 18:45.47 | Lopeppeppy | Look at your commonalities even more closely then. OS settings, game settings conflicting, feedback from headphones or earphones.... |
| 18:46.22 | AckisWork | shouldn't be feedback, I use a headset with the mic muted... I've played w/ all the OS settings I know of |
| 18:46.32 | Shirik | <-- happy man |
| 18:46.38 | AckisWork | game settings have been changed numerous times |
| 18:47.03 | Shirik | between CodeAnalyst and SSE I managed to bring my application's 20-30% CPU usage down to 3-5% :) |
| 18:47.11 | Shirik | <3 whomever pointed me to that AMD tool |
| 18:47.14 | Thunder_Child | do you have speakers you can try instead of a headset? |
| 18:47.56 | AckisWork | yes, my case allows me to have both connected at the same time |
| 18:48.11 | Lopeppeppy | It was zenzelezz, IIRC, Shirik |
| 18:50.17 | AckisWork | so this is what I'll do: test it w/ speakers to see if there's a buzzing, check to see if some other games bugger up, and profit? |
| 18:50.28 | Lopeppeppy | Or at least gather more info. |
| 18:50.50 | Thunder_Child | indeed, info good |
| 18:51.00 | AckisWork | I'm not really sure how to determine the commonalities tbh |
| 18:51.59 | Lopeppeppy | Just start making a list of what you notice, and see where it gets you. 1) always using vent when playing |
| 18:52.10 | Lopeppeppy | 2) Always have headphones plugged into X jack |
| 18:52.33 | Shirik | <3 zenzelezz then |
| 18:52.37 | Lopeppeppy | That gets me the question do the jacks suck? Do the earphones suck? Do game settings interfere with your OS settings? |
| 18:52.45 | Lopeppeppy | Does your Vent codec suck? |
| 18:53.33 | Shirik | If you think it's your codec, I can give you the address of my vent server to try out. I run it at high quality |
| 18:53.45 | Shirik | well, fairly high |
| 18:53.51 | Thunder_Child | yes, lets all jump on Shirik's vent right now |
| 18:54.00 | Lopeppeppy | True, experiment with other Vent servers, that's an avenue. |
| 18:54.11 | Thunder_Child | s/vent/vent server/ |
| 18:54.48 | zenzelezz | not if used appropriately |
| 18:54.57 | Lopeppeppy | Eeew! NMK! |
| 18:55.37 | zenzelezz | well, depends what you mean by "pointy" |
| 18:55.52 | AckisWork | I don't think it's the vent codec becaus I only hear it when I load up games |
| 18:55.58 | AckisWork | (was distracted with work stuff sorry) |
| 18:56.49 | AckisWork | I wonder if running with the --nosound option is worth a try |
| 18:57.19 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, AckisWork, don't play with me before noon, I twist your mind into pretzels. |
| 18:57.32 | Thunder_Child | someone buy me a GTX 280, i want to try it out |
| 18:57.47 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: it's always noon somewhere (at least that's my excuse when I have a morning bear) |
| 18:58.00 | AckisWork | s/bear/beer |
| 18:58.29 | AckisWork | I hate you purl :( |
| 18:58.40 | zenzelezz | you left out the ending / |
| 18:58.42 | Thunder_Child | forgot the trailing slash |
| 18:58.49 | AckisWork | s/bear/beer/ |
| 18:58.54 | Thunder_Child | it's to late |
| 18:59.00 | AckisWork | awww |
| 18:59.09 | Thunder_Child | better luck next time |
| 18:59.20 | AckisWork | maybe |
| 18:59.27 | AckisWork | as nevcairiel says I just can't type |
| 18:59.33 | AckisWork | so I usually ignore typos |
| 19:00.10 | Thunder_Child | i can type...i just cant spell so i ignore them as well |
| 19:00.12 | Drundia | why does it even need the damn ending "/" ? |
| 19:00.23 | nevcairiel | syntax is important |
| 19:00.25 | Thunder_Child | thats how it was programed i assume |
| 19:00.43 | AckisWork | thankfully I'm using Mibbit via firefox which has the built in spellchecker... too bad it's american though |
| 19:02.51 | AckisWork | anyways back to sound... it really sounds like interference from something inside tbh |
| 19:03.15 | Thunder_Child | have you always had this problem or is it recent? |
| 19:03.45 | AckisWork | alwyas have had it |
| 19:03.52 | Drundia | it's still a bit strange that it is required there. i don't know much, but the other thing using this syntax doesn't require trailing slach, it's optional but may precede flags... |
| 19:04.02 | AckisWork | s/alwyas/always/ |
| 19:04.04 | AckisWork | yes! |
| 19:04.08 | AckisWork | thank you purl |
| 19:04.13 | Thunder_Child | gratz AckisWork |
| 19:05.06 | Thunder_Child | you said you have onboard, which means it could be a bad soddering job with the mobo |
| 19:05.45 | AckisWork | I experienced the same problem with an audigy |
| 19:08.06 | DARKGuy | does it happen when you have headphones only? |
| 19:08.17 | DARKGuy | I'm kinda lost in the convo tho :P |
| 19:08.42 | AckisWork | 99% of my playing is w/ headphones I need to test out with speakers as it's been a while (I went through all of this stuff before just don't remember exact results) |
| 19:09.39 | AckisWork | afk for food real quick |
| 19:09.42 | DARKGuy | kk |
| 19:09.48 | DARKGuy | try without headphones >_>; |
| 19:10.02 | DARKGuy | if you've had the problem with another card before, my guess would be the headphones :P |
| 19:17.08 | AckisWork | different sets of headphones :P |
| 19:17.34 | Legorol | Have you run diagnostics on your ears? |
| 19:17.36 | AckisWork | my cat likes to chew them |
| 19:17.38 | AckisWork | huh? |
| 19:17.42 | Legorol | Or upgrade to EarDrums-v2.1? |
| 19:17.42 | AckisWork | see what I did there ahaha |
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| 19:20.10 | kd3 | zomg, rocko's up 1 with 3 left |
| 19:20.12 | kd3 | o_O; |
| 19:20.35 | Shirik | rocko? |
| 19:20.44 | kd3 | go turn on nbc |
| 19:20.58 | kd3 | rocko mediate & tiger woods in an 18-hole playoff today |
| 19:21.15 | kd3 | s/rocko/rocco/ |
| 19:21.47 | AckisWork | the rock plays golf? |
| 19:22.37 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr |
| 19:22.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Slept any, peppy? |
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| 19:25.11 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, well, no. |
| 19:25.14 | Lopeppeppy | Not until midnight. |
| 19:26.01 | Lopeppeppy | Had some yummy Dr. Pepper, went for a 2 hour drive, argued with my cable company and all that moving stuff. Someone is going to die soon. |
| 19:26.08 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 19:26.19 | kd3 | ooh. record it. wanna watch the youtube footage |
| 19:27.39 | Lopeppeppy | In the hail. Do not forget the hail. |
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| 19:30.23 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr |
| 19:35.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Mmm leveling alts |
| 19:36.15 | zenzelezz | as much as I'm not into PvP, I find the experience of leveling on a PvP realm again interesting |
| 19:36.33 | Shirik | note to self: visual studio hates breakpoints on inline assembly |
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| 19:55.32 | hi11ie | does anyone know why it takes so long for a /chatinfo to come back on the trade channel? is it because they're linked? |
| 19:59.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Probably because it's listing every last person in the channel |
| 20:03.37 | Lopeppeppy | Which can be huge. |
| 20:08.32 | kd3 | to sudden death... wow |
| 20:09.13 | Fisker- | btw kd3 |
| 20:09.23 | Fisker- | is warden going to own warden users? |
| 20:09.25 | Fisker- | err |
| 20:09.31 | Fisker- | is warden going to own magelo users? |
| 20:09.50 | Lopeppeppy | I hope so. *sigh* |
| 20:09.54 | kd3 | I... dunno. I'd like to think that it would |
| 20:09.55 | Lopeppeppy | I'm soooooo sick of Magelo. |
| 20:10.41 | DARKGuy | lol Fisker- |
| 20:10.48 | DARKGuy | WTF is magelo |
| 20:11.46 | Lopeppeppy | Go read the UI forums, it's all over there. |
| 20:11.58 | Lopeppeppy | I swear if the debate comes in here, I'm going to go to sleep for the night. |
| 20:12.05 | DARKGuy | XD |
| 20:12.20 | cog|work | If the debate comes in here, let's hope some ops are in a +b mode |
| 20:12.24 | cog|work | s/mode/mood/ |
| 20:12.40 | cog|work | :P |
| 20:12.52 | Fisker- | you can't +b me cog|work |
| 20:12.55 | Fisker- | that's madness |
| 20:13.15 | AckisWork | didn't we have the debate here earlier? |
| 20:13.36 | cog|work | not to the extent you see it on the forums |
| 20:13.44 | cog|work | people in here are better at coming to consensus :P |
| 20:13.50 | Fisker- | i hope they don't B& me |
| 20:13.57 | Lopeppeppy | And I was thankfully asleep and AKF and didn't have to have my ears bleed or my eyes burst. |
| 20:14.36 | DARKGuy | Hey, where's my promised 3D Model D: |
| 20:14.44 | DARKGuy | THEY PROMISED ME 3D MODELS |
| 20:14.49 | DARKGuy | I WANT THEM NOW |
| 20:14.51 | DARKGuy | :(+ |
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| 20:15.47 | Keias | o_O |
| 20:15.50 | Keias | Whats Magelo? |
| 20:15.55 | cog|work | ... |
| 20:15.56 | Lopeppeppy | Go reads it, Keias. |
| 20:16.03 | cog|work | 13:11 <+Lopeppeppy> Go read the UI forums, it's all over there. |
| 20:16.03 | Thunder_Child | it was posted on EU's wow page |
| 20:16.05 | Keias | oh, on the UI forums? |
| 20:16.09 | Keias | kk |
| 20:16.15 | DARKGuy | Haha. |
| 20:16.18 | DARKGuy | I don't see the problem with it. |
| 20:16.30 | DARKGuy | It's just another armory clone |
| 20:16.50 | DARKGuy | 3D model my buttocks. |
| 20:16.50 | Thunder_Child | except armory belongs to blizz |
| 20:17.07 | Lopeppeppy | And doesn't run while in game. |
| 20:17.58 | DARKGuy | Other character profilers don't run while in game |
| 20:18.03 | cog|work | exactly |
| 20:18.26 | DARKGuy | Somehow those can get that information without being in-game too, which makes me think that Magelo isn't that bad at all. |
| 20:18.42 | DARKGuy | I wouldn't trust any external client to do any of the stuff I want to do though. |
| 20:18.53 | Thunder_Child | not saying it's bad, just saying it's agianst the rules |
| 20:19.00 | Lopeppeppy | They import it into game. Magelo runs *concurrent* and promises real-time connection outside the sandbox. Rules am rules. |
| 20:19.12 | Keias | lol, now I see why Lopeppeppy said if the debate came in here she'd sleep for the night lol |
| 20:19.22 | Lopeppeppy | G' night, Keias. *kiss kiss* |
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| 20:19.35 | Keias | aww, you guys scared her off :( |
| 20:19.38 | Thunder_Child | good job Keias |
| 20:19.45 | Keias | I didn't talk about it |
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| 20:19.57 | Thunder_Child | but you reminded her of it |
| 20:20.09 | Keias | Cause the above lines didn't. |
| 20:20.15 | Thunder_Child | not about leaving |
| 20:20.31 | Keias | I was just agreeing with her tbh |
| 20:21.15 | Thunder_Child | eh, freedom of speech makes for good things |
| 20:21.43 | DARKGuy | Her problem anyways |
| 20:21.52 | Keias | Sometimes |
| 20:22.28 | Keias | Gunna be like a politics or religion conversation. Everyone's gunna have an opinion and think their's is right. |
| 20:22.40 | DARKGuy | yup. |
| 20:22.44 | Thunder_Child | of cource, whats the problem with that? |
| 20:23.08 | DARKGuy | Still, my guess is that the "addon" just does stuff, and a client goes and reads memory that's set by the addon and does such updates. |
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| 20:23.13 | DARKGuy | It's the only thing that comes to mind |
| 20:23.23 | DARKGuy | Still, not fair, that's against TOS :( |
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| 20:23.53 | DARKGuy | Why can't people use armory and get over with it T_T |
| 20:24.03 | cog|work | I think the point was the discussion has been beaten to death on the forums over the last couple days |
| 20:24.06 | DARKGuy | Well at least the attention is distracted to something less harmful :P |
| 20:24.11 | cog|work | and that nothing more can be said about it to any effect in here |
| 20:24.21 | Thunder_Child | cant customize armory |
| 20:24.25 | DARKGuy | And the conclusion was? |
| 20:24.29 | cog|work | read |
| 20:24.34 | DARKGuy | :/ |
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| 20:24.58 | cog|work | It violates the terms of use. period. It's not a matter of opinion |
| 20:25.03 | Fisker- | anyways i wrote the european community managers |
| 20:25.03 | Fisker- | :o |
| 20:25.17 | cog|work | whether they take action on it or not is entirely up to them |
| 20:25.41 | Fisker- | I'd also say that wowhead and thottbot violate the ToU/EULA |
| 20:25.52 | DARKGuy | and MobMapUpdater if we're going to that point |
| 20:25.57 | DARKGuy | and QuestHelper |
| 20:25.57 | cog|work | Fisker-: yes they do |
| 20:26.39 | cog|work | DARKGuy: not if they're actual addons |
| 20:26.50 | cog|work | (lua/xml) |
| 20:27.20 | Keias | Yeah, theres a good 4-5 topics on the first page alone about it |
| 20:28.24 | DARKGuy | I've once heard of some addon authors that ask for the users to send their WDB files, is that against EULA too? :/ |
| 20:28.27 | DARKGuy | *TOS |
| 20:28.35 | cog|work | strictly, yes |
| 20:28.38 | DARKGuy | Damn :P |
| 20:29.57 | dylanm | cog|work: What's this? |
| 20:29.58 | DARKGuy | They're just trying to avoid what happened with D2 and MapHack - but they don't know that all that can be avoided with good programming techniques. IMHO, if they don't want you to read the program's memory, it's because they're doing something fishy, or the code isn't done right and it stores important stuff in memory where it shouldn't, doesn't clear it when it should, etc. |
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| 20:32.02 | Dashkal | DARKGuy: there's plenty in game ram they wouldn't want you as a player to see not due to bad design, but for performance reasons. Offloading processing onto the client saves their hardware. |
| 20:32.37 | Fisker- | yeah that's what i was thinking as well |
| 20:33.03 | Fisker- | also if it didn't know stuff like players around you, wouldn't it potentially have to start rendering it perhaps too late? |
| 20:33.12 | Dashkal | That as well |
| 20:33.26 | Fisker- | Like some rogue attacks you and he may not show up for a couple of seconds because the client doesn't know he's there yet |
| 20:33.29 | DARKGuy | Dashkal: that's true, but if the player has enough hardware to run such calculations while playing at the same time, performance wouldn't be an issue. Still, that memory issue won't change with any program, any application, anything computer-wise, until memory, processors and architecture changes the way it works |
| 20:33.45 | DARKGuy | *change |
| 20:33.58 | DARKGuy | Yeah :( |
| 20:34.06 | DARKGuy | That stuff is in memory :o |
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| 20:34.33 | DARKGuy | Memory in computers is just very vulnerable :( |
| 20:35.25 | ScytheBlade1 | They should encrypt their memory, and sell hardware based crypto accelerators to the top end gamers who don't want the performance loss. |
| 20:35.48 | Fisker- | nods* |
| 20:35.50 | Dashkal | uh, yeah, that would be a <insert explitive here> you blizzard in a hurry. |
| 20:36.25 | Dashkal | but irelevant anyway. It has to be decrypted at some point to be used |
| 20:37.07 | DARKGuy | and then there will be people who will make software decryptors, make it run with different/more powerful hardware and it's all screwed up again. |
| 20:37.30 | Dashkal | What they really want is to own the hardware we play on, and just jail people who poke into ram. *shrugs* |
| 20:37.39 | DARKGuy | Yup. |
| 20:37.49 | cog|work | GPGPU for crypto imo |
| 20:37.57 | DARKGuy | hey, you -bought- the ram, you have the right to read it :P |
| 20:38.12 | cog|work | :P |
| 20:38.15 | DARKGuy | :D |
| 20:43.06 | Thunder_Child | ~whaleslap Fisker- |
| 20:43.07 | purl | ACTION beats Fisker- upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
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| 20:44.50 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work: CUDA! |
| 20:45.28 | AckisWork | ScytheBlade1: give it a week and the encryption will be broken :P |
| 20:46.16 | ScytheBlade1 | I was also joking |
| 20:46.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Further, a week is awfully generous |
| 20:46.36 | ScytheBlade1 | ... to blizzard |
| 20:46.37 | DARKGuy | Haha |
| 20:46.46 | DARKGuy | Vista was cracked the next day it was released :P |
| 20:46.55 | cog|work | and wow has a wider userbase |
| 20:46.56 | DARKGuy | I can't imagine if it were blizz T.T |
| 20:46.58 | cog|work | ZING |
| 20:47.33 | cog|work | (ok... maybe it doesn't... but i'm sure it could copy files faster given the opportunity) |
| 20:47.43 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 20:47.50 | DARKGuy | xD |
| 20:47.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Considering their streaming client and torrent network, I'd believe it ;D |
| 20:48.22 | AckisWork | I hate their streaming client :( |
| 20:48.51 | cog|work | are they using it for trial version now? or is it still only used in other locales? |
| 20:49.23 | ScytheBlade1 | You can play the full game with it, I thought |
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| 20:49.27 | Cide | streaming would be awesome I'd imagine |
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| 20:49.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Other locales I'm not sure |
| 20:49.33 | cog|work | well i mean the trial download |
| 20:49.45 | cog|work | it's still the full client |
| 20:49.47 | AckisWork | You can't |
| 20:49.56 | AckisWork | you can only play trial accounts with it |
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| 20:50.01 | cog|work | orly? |
| 20:50.09 | AckisWork | if you try to log in with a real account it tells you to go download the full client |
| 20:50.31 | AckisWork | hence why I hate it |
| 20:50.40 | AckisWork | I should preface it by saying this is the enUS one |
| 20:50.45 | AckisWork | thanks to Fisker- |
| 20:50.52 | Fisker- | ooh shiny |
| 20:51.24 | hi11ie | ScytheBlade1: the /chatinfo returned 241 users.. it's basically returning their character neames and nothing else (unless it hides the extra info).. it's understandable for it to take like maybe 5 seconds but it takes like a looong time. and sometimes seems to not come back at all, and then when i do another /chatinfo it comes back immediately |
| 20:51.35 | hi11ie | almost like it was queue'd to wait for another request |
| 20:52.08 | ScytheBlade1 | hi11ie: keep in mind that data is rate limited in a larger scope than just channel contents. Maybe you had something going on in the background which pushed the time back a ways? |
| 20:52.49 | hi11ie | perhaps. i need to do more testing. I have never used /chatinfo before a week ago |
| 20:53.08 | ScytheBlade1 | It returns instantly for me on smaller channels |
| 20:53.17 | ScytheBlade1 | But I'm seeing the same thing that you are, actually |
| 20:53.24 | Fisker- | btw |
| 20:53.26 | hi11ie | but several times its "sudden output" seemed directly connected to another /chatinfo request |
| 20:53.29 | ScytheBlade1 | If I had to guess they just rate limited it when the channel hits X size |
| 20:53.30 | Fisker- | it's stupid that it doesn't work for full accounts |
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| 20:53.35 | DARKGuy | AckisWork: hey I've had it happen with the EnGB too, it SUCKS |
| 20:53.36 | Fisker- | streaming wow account could've been awesome |
| 20:53.38 | DARKGuy | yeah |
| 20:53.40 | DARKGuy | wow @ work <3 |
| 20:53.41 | Fisker- | account = client |
| 20:53.51 | cog|work | DARKGuy: that's what a dvd burner is for :P |
| 20:53.56 | DARKGuy | lol cog|work |
| 20:54.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Or an external hard drive |
| 20:54.04 | Fisker- | or external storage |
| 20:54.04 | DARKGuy | I'm actually downloading TBC installer now |
| 20:54.24 | cog|work | i haven't *installed* wow since i got it in jan 05 |
| 20:54.31 | DARKGuy | WoW on USB penve != nice |
| 20:54.34 | DARKGuy | *pendrive |
| 20:54.43 | Fisker- | well you copy it over first :P |
| 20:54.45 | Wikwocket | WoW on a pen drive? |
| 20:54.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Hence why I said external hard drive, not removable flash media ;) |
| 20:54.49 | DARKGuy | xD |
| 20:54.56 | DARKGuy | removable hard drives are expensive in my country |
| 20:55.00 | DARKGuy | pendrives are cheaper :D |
| 20:55.13 | cog|work | isn't the problem USB not the flash itself? |
| 20:55.16 | hi11ie | unfortunately for me our computers at work are teh suck. |
| 20:55.24 | Fisker- | i got 8GB pendrives |
| 20:55.25 | Fisker- | rawr |
| 20:55.26 | Fisker- | also |
| 20:55.31 | DARKGuy | I'm gonna get one of those :P |
| 20:55.31 | Fisker- | 8GB storage on my mobile phone |
| 20:55.32 | Fisker- | also |
| 20:55.35 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work: flash drives are usually /lots/ slower than actual spinning disks |
| 20:55.36 | DARKGuy | die. |
| 20:55.36 | DARKGuy | :( |
| 20:55.39 | Fisker- | 80GB pocket sized external harddrive |
| 20:55.43 | DARKGuy | o.o |
| 20:55.43 | DARKGuy | no wai |
| 20:55.45 | Fisker- | actually it's 100GB |
| 20:55.48 | Fisker- | i think |
| 20:55.48 | DARKGuy | that's called iPod |
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| 20:55.52 | Fisker- | nah |
| 20:55.57 | Fisker- | it's actually a real harddrive |
| 20:55.59 | Fisker- | not even flash based |
| 20:56.03 | DARKGuy | o.o |
| 20:56.04 | DARKGuy | sweet |
| 20:56.26 | DARKGuy | Well, there's some guy who ran WoW on an eeePC with an 8Gb SD card |
| 20:56.31 | Fisker- | <-sleeptiems though |
| 20:56.39 | Fisker- | that would've been horrible |
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| 20:56.44 | Thunder_Child | ~wake Fisker- |
| 20:56.45 | purl | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on Fisker- and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 20:56.45 | DARKGuy | it looks cool |
| 20:56.48 | DARKGuy | XD |
| 20:57.09 | DARKGuy | it only works for fishing, skills or simple questing |
| 20:57.14 | DARKGuy | forget about raiding with it xD |
| 20:57.24 | DARKGuy | I can play WoW on my cellphone too :D |
| 20:57.25 | Thunder_Child | ~ping Fisker- |
| 20:57.26 | purl | pong Fisker- |
| 20:57.37 | Wikwocket | I can play Doom on my MP3 player, does that count? |
| 20:57.56 | DARKGuy | I can play NES on my Sony Ericsson W200i, which is the one in which I play WoW too |
| 20:58.01 | DARKGuy | :P |
| 20:58.18 | DARKGuy | Doom on MP3... |
| 20:58.19 | DARKGuy | wait. |
| 20:58.21 | DARKGuy | MP3 :/ |
| 20:58.24 | DARKGuy | shouldn't it be MP4 |
| 20:58.25 | cog|work | they should make SATA thumb SSDs |
| 20:58.33 | ScytheBlade1 | heh, agreed |
| 20:58.39 | DARKGuy | +1 |
| 20:59.02 | cog|work | 2/3 of my computers have external sata ports |
| 20:59.10 | Wikwocket | DARKGuy: Doom runs on the Rockbox open source MP3 player firmware, which runs on Sansa players and iPods etc |
| 20:59.56 | DARKGuy | Wikwocket: that means you can install Rockbox on your iPod o.o?? |
| 21:00.08 | DARKGuy | and play Doom on it o.o |
| 21:00.46 | Wikwocket | You can install it on any of these players: http://build.rockbox.org/ |
| 21:00.52 | Wikwocket | Doom comes as an option, people are working on porting NES emulators and so on iirc |
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| 21:00.55 | DARKGuy | That's pure win |
| 21:01.00 | Shirik | random question: when did I leave? >.> |
| 21:01.09 | DARKGuy | purl kicked you |
| 21:01.12 | ScytheBlade1 | 16:59 -!- Shirik [n=mpdelbuo@conspiracy/developer/Shirik] has quit ["Lost terminal"] |
| 21:01.14 | cog|work | 2 mins ago |
| 21:01.14 | nevcairiel | Shirik: 1 minute ago |
| 21:01.20 | Shirik | I must have closed it on accident :( |
| 21:01.31 | Shirik | staring at my taskbar looking for ssh... |
| 21:02.14 | nevcairiel | do you have 20 calcs open again? |
| 21:02.14 | Shirik | only 4 actually |
| 21:02.17 | DARKGuy | Oh. My. God. |
| 21:02.19 | DARKGuy | That's hot. |
| 21:02.33 | Shirik | today was a very visual studio day |
| 21:02.38 | Shirik | not so much other stuff |
| 21:02.46 | Shirik | browsing intel white papers and playing with assembly |
| 21:02.48 | DARKGuy | Counter-Strike on an ipod! |
| 21:02.52 | Shirik | wtf? |
| 21:02.52 | DARKGuy | <3333 |
| 21:02.54 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 21:02.56 | DARKGuy | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw3s48-_JuU&feature=related |
| 21:04.08 | Wikwocket | I will say that it is hard to play a FPS with your primary input being next track, previous track, and a thumb wheel o_O |
| 21:04.14 | DARKGuy | xD |
| 21:04.20 | DARKGuy | 2:54 CS |
| 21:05.15 | Wikwocket | Heh that counterstrike and goldeneye were just custom Doom wads |
| 21:05.17 | DARKGuy | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iRc0JwpUAw&feature=related this one looks better |
| 21:05.20 | DARKGuy | yeah |
| 21:05.26 | DARKGuy | they're DOOM wads :( |
| 21:05.28 | DARKGuy | but still cool |
| 21:06.58 | Wikwocket | They need to allow multiplayer in them.... maybe over FM transmitting? hehe |
| 21:07.26 | Shirik | nevcairiel: you may be curious to see my "before and after" routines. It's kinda interesting how converting a one line function into this mess took my cpu usage from 25% down to 3%. Just because you said you were interested earlier http://wowi.pastey.net/89618-2t5s |
| 21:08.22 | nevcairiel | somehow that doesnt look like it does the same o.o |
| 21:08.39 | Shirik | it's not quite the same because I shifted things around |
| 21:08.52 | Shirik | instead of convertToGrayscale() being called 2 million times |
| 21:08.55 | Shirik | findMinMax() is called once |
| 21:08.59 | Shirik | but they both do the same thing |
| 21:09.19 | Shirik | both tried to find the minimum and maximum brightness |
| 21:10.13 | nevcairiel | i never tried to use asm inside a higher language before, looks easy enough to integrate .. you can even directly reference the variables |
| 21:10.36 | Shirik | VS's inline assembler is very nice |
| 21:10.48 | zenzelezz | but you need to know what you're doing; and the compiler can't (I think) optimize anything inside it |
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| 21:10.55 | Shirik | right |
| 21:11.01 | nevcairiel | thats asm for ya :P |
| 21:11.04 | Shirik | it can't optimize anything inside it, and also it can't optimize past it |
| 21:11.09 | Shirik | i.e., if you do something like |
| 21:11.16 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:11.17 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 21:11.25 | Shirik | int a = 4; __asm { ... }; printf("%d", a) |
| 21:11.32 | Shirik | it can't use the cached version of "a" |
| 21:11.42 | nevcairiel | yeah because it doesnt know wtf happend in asm |
| 21:11.45 | Shirik | right |
| 21:12.07 | Shirik | without the asm block, that would likely be optimized to printf("%d", 4) |
| 21:12.09 | cog|work | register int a = 4 imo |
| 21:12.11 | cog|work | :P |
| 21:12.15 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 21:12.20 | Cide | I take it it optimizes if you declare a const? |
| 21:12.32 | Cide | declare 'a' const |
| 21:12.38 | nevcairiel | seeing that you cannot change constants, it would be stupid if not =P |
| 21:12.45 | Shirik | I think so; I accidentally modified something in asm while I was writing this up that was const |
| 21:12.45 | Cide | right :P |
| 21:12.48 | Shirik | and I got a segfault |
| 21:12.51 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 21:12.52 | Cide | /clap |
| 21:12.53 | Shirik | so I think it should be able to assume that they won't change |
| 21:13.05 | Shirik | well it wasn't supposed to be const, I just wasn't thinking :P |
| 21:13.10 | Cide | sure :P |
| 21:13.16 | Cide | I mean |
| 21:13.18 | Cide | like always |
| 21:13.24 | Shirik | It was this: __declspec(align(128)) static unsigned char maxes[8], mins[8]; |
| 21:13.28 | Shirik | I accidentally had a "const" in there |
| 21:13.57 | nevcairiel | the SSE stuff looks useful for your task |
| 21:14.12 | Shirik | I'm really glad I found it :) |
| 21:14.21 | nevcairiel | i should look for some online books on MMX/SSE extensions |
| 21:14.22 | Shirik | parallel processing is nice |
| 21:14.26 | nevcairiel | thats a part i really dont know |
| 21:15.02 | nevcairiel | also, inline assembly makes code look smarter, heh |
| 21:15.08 | Shirik | lol |
| 21:15.40 | nevcairiel | your first version would probably be so easy, that every first year with C could understand |
| 21:15.51 | Shirik | it's true |
| 21:16.06 | Shirik | and I actually sent this up to one of my professors saying "I never would have thought that this simple one line function could be the culprit" |
| 21:16.24 | Shirik | but it makes sense when you consider it's called nearly 2 million times |
| 21:16.35 | Shirik | 2 million times per frame, at a framerate of 25Hz |
| 21:16.36 | nevcairiel | Is there a way to profile shit like that? |
| 21:16.41 | Shirik | yup |
| 21:16.43 | Shirik | CodeAnalyst |
| 21:16.53 | Shirik | I had it monitor my code for a couple of minutes |
| 21:17.13 | nevcairiel | I guess it isnt only for AMD CPUs ? :P |
| 21:17.19 | Shirik | basically what it does is every ms, it takes a look at the program counter of your program |
| 21:17.20 | Thunder_Child | please tell me it says something like "your an idiot use: "xxxx""? |
| 21:17.22 | Shirik | nah I have intel |
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| 21:17.53 | Shirik | Every ms it looks at the program counter and keeps a tally of how many times it was on that PC when it stopped |
| 21:18.09 | Shirik | When the profile is over, it gives you a bunch of numbers listing what the most frequent locations were |
| 21:18.11 | nevcairiel | apparently on AMD cpus the CPU supports your analysis with some events |
| 21:18.14 | Shirik | which is a good estimate |
| 21:18.28 | Shirik | Yes AMD cpus can do a lot more profiling, but for something basic like this it can go on all CPUs :) |
| 21:18.41 | nevcairiel | wonder if intel has something like that |
| 21:19.03 | Shirik | So I looked at the report, and it said CCameraCallback::callback was hit 9090 times in a 30ish second profile |
| 21:19.08 | Shirik | (that's my vision processing function) |
| 21:19.26 | Shirik | of those 9090 times, 4095 times I was in convertToGrayscale() |
| 21:19.51 | Shirik | which is a clear indicator that there's something there, when it's a one line function |
| 21:19.55 | Shirik | at first I didn't believe it :) |
| 21:25.46 | DARKGuy | Anybody knows if the scroll lock key can be bound? :O I have no WoW here at work to figure it out |
| 21:27.51 | cog|work | yet |
| 21:27.53 | cog|work | ;) |
| 21:28.43 | cog|work | doesn't look like it |
| 21:29.03 | cog|work | though it may just be the keybinding UI |
| 21:29.15 | DARKGuy | Nah, I think it's because Scroll Lock is such a special keyu |
| 21:29.17 | DARKGuy | *key |
| 21:29.20 | Shirik | wow, I think AMD went nuts |
| 21:29.21 | DARKGuy | but some games can bind it o.O |
| 21:29.22 | cog|work | so's numlock |
| 21:29.24 | cog|work | and capslock |
| 21:29.31 | Shirik | "Streaming SIMD Extension 5 (SSE5) is a new extension to the AMD64 (x86=64) instruction set. SSE5 adds 170 new instructions and will be available starting with the Bulldozer processor core due to be released in 2009." |
| 21:29.35 | Shirik | 170 new instructions? |
| 21:29.49 | nevcairiel | what they did is good though |
| 21:29.56 | cog|work | RLYCISC |
| 21:30.01 | Shirik | lol |
| 21:30.12 | nevcairiel | SSE 3 and 4 have just been very minor things |
| 21:30.17 | Shirik | it's true |
| 21:30.41 | Shirik | "section 1.9: vector conditional moves" that sounds interesting |
| 21:30.56 | nevcairiel | yup vectors are a new one in 5 |
| 21:31.49 | Shirik | just when we though opcodes were long enough |
| 21:32.45 | kd3 | lua>29+16+32+13+6+13+30 |
| 21:32.45 | lua_bot | kd3: 139 |
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| 21:34.19 | Cide | how many opcodes are there currently? |
| 21:35.13 | Shirik | too many |
| 21:35.19 | Cide | very mathematical of you |
| 21:35.24 | cog|work | http://ref.x86asm.net/geek.html |
| 21:36.02 | Cide | yeah, or you could just give me a number :P |
| 21:36.09 | Thunder_Child | to easy |
| 21:36.10 | Arrowmaster | i need a new computer, my cpu doesnt even have SSE2 |
| 21:36.32 | Shirik | I take it back though, none of AMD's SSE5 opcodes are as long as Intel's CMPXCHG16B |
| 21:36.41 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 21:36.48 | Cide | I mean |
| 21:36.51 | Shirik | but they have several 9-character opcodes |
| 21:37.00 | kd3 | arrow; you're on a p3 or an athonxp? |
| 21:37.04 | Cide | 170 opcodes fit into ln 170 / ln 26 characters |
| 21:37.05 | Thunder_Child | http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/06/16/25FE-stupid-users-part-3-admins_1.html |
| 21:37.14 | Cide | >>> math.log(170)/math.log(26) |
| 21:37.14 | Cide | Cide: 1.5763186808974 |
| 21:37.25 | Cide | see? |
| 21:37.31 | Cide | that's not long |
| 21:37.40 | Arrowmaster | kd3: athlon xp |
| 21:38.00 | Shirik | >>> 26^10 |
| 21:38.00 | Cide | Shirik: 1.4116709565338e+014 |
| 21:38.10 | Shirik | I don't think we need 1.4 x 10^14 opcodes |
| 21:38.25 | Cide | I don't think so either |
| 21:38.37 | Cide | we can probably make due with 26^3 |
| 21:38.39 | Cide | >>> 26^3 |
| 21:38.39 | Cide | Cide: 17576 |
| 21:38.41 | Cide | >>> 26^2 |
| 21:38.42 | Cide | Cide: 676 |
| 21:38.44 | nevcairiel | we dont need total random and gibberish op codes either |
| 21:38.44 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 21:38.45 | Cide | or 2 |
| 21:38.48 | Shirik | AA |
| 21:38.49 | Shirik | AB |
| 21:38.49 | Cide | sure we do. |
| 21:38.50 | Shirik | AC |
| 21:38.51 | Shirik | AD |
| 21:38.52 | Shirik | lol |
| 21:38.53 | Thunder_Child | SPAM! |
| 21:39.01 | nevcairiel | make ASM even harder to understand, sure =P |
| 21:39.04 | zenzelezz | SSE6: URMOM XMM |
| 21:39.16 | Shirik | that's what we do on HCS12 :) |
| 21:39.17 | cog|work | LOLASM |
| 21:39.21 | Shirik | we have a different opcode for every register |
| 21:39.24 | cog|work | nah... too easy |
| 21:39.30 | zenzelezz | hm, in the middle of this discussion I run past a tauren called "Logaritm" |
| 21:39.42 | Cide | missed the h |
| 21:39.44 | Cide | worthless |
| 21:40.00 | zenzelezz | I decided not to tell him |
| 21:40.07 | Shirik | That's ok, one of the software engineers I know at my school insists on pronouncing "alogrithm" as "a logarithm" |
| 21:40.23 | foxlit | I see what you typed there |
| 21:40.29 | kd3 | "alogrithm"? algorithm? |
| 21:40.31 | Shirik | not a joke ^ |
| 21:40.35 | Shirik | er |
| 21:40.40 | zenzelezz | I used to be in a guild with someone who pronounced "poison" as "potion" |
| 21:40.42 | Shirik | I spelled it wrong -_- |
| 21:40.45 | Shirik | but you get my point! |
| 21:40.50 | kd3 | ~laugh shirik |
| 21:40.51 | purl | ACTION laughs hysterically at shirik...ow! laughing so hard, it can't breathe... gasp...gasp...gasp.... ..... ... |
| 21:40.55 | Shirik | he infected my brain |
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| 21:41.47 | cog|work | [sic] |
| 21:42.02 | Shirik | nice |
| 21:42.09 | kd3 | didn't they fix a typo in the api in 2.4.2? |
| 21:42.11 | cog|work | which persisted until 2.4.1 |
| 21:42.16 | kd3 | ^ |
| 21:42.30 | zenzelezz | there was a running joke about a typo in Operation Flashpoint... in the scripting system, the damage variable was called "Dammage" |
| 21:42.58 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 21:43.02 | Shirik | At least the game wasn't flawed, like RF Online |
| 21:43.07 | Shirik | where you would have 8 losses, 8 wins, and 100% win rate |
| 21:43.11 | Shirik | because 8/8 = 100% |
| 21:43.21 | Shirik | and yes, that's what it displayed on the screen |
| 21:43.31 | zenzelezz | interesting |
| 21:43.46 | Shirik | 8W 8L (100%) |
| 21:43.52 | zenzelezz | Anarchy Online had a skill called "Parry" that did nothing |
| 21:44.03 | Shirik | nice |
| 21:44.32 | zenzelezz | at least no-one could ever detect it doing anything |
| 21:44.41 | zenzelezz | besides being a required skill to equip a number of melee weapons |
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| 21:45.08 | Shirik | nobody ever parried? |
| 21:45.20 | zenzelezz | don't think so |
| 21:45.32 | zenzelezz | there was like two melee classes, the rest were ranged or casters |
| 21:45.39 | zenzelezz | wait, three melee |
| 21:45.58 | zenzelezz | added two more in the expansion, but the parry skill was there from the start |
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| 21:46.58 | Shirik | oh wow |
| 21:47.00 | Shirik | power just went out |
| 21:47.05 | Shirik | that's probably not good |
| 21:47.37 | Shirik | ek, it's really dark out too |
| 21:48.06 | cog|work | ups 4tw? |
| 21:48.17 | Shirik | ups + generator |
| 21:48.18 | Shirik | I'm still at work |
| 21:48.23 | cog|work | ah |
| 21:48.26 | Shirik | but you could see the lights go out for a second |
| 21:48.38 | kd3 | gack |
| 21:49.35 | zenzelezz | I miss the random item names in AO. "Machete of Two Thousand Worries", "Rod of Repayment", "Conflagrant Syndicate Messenger Gun", "Piercing Evil" |
| 21:50.01 | Cide | rod of repayment is pretty awesome |
| 21:50.21 | kd3 | "here! *whack* have your gold back! *whack* *whack*" |
| 21:51.43 | zenzelezz | all items had some form of description. The Rod of Repayment's description was: "Man's life is filled with disappointment and frustration, and only the first-rate among us are able to absorb it all. The rest of us vent it through various other channels - like taking it out on the ones we define as our enemies. The Rod of Repayment uses Energy Ammo, but some says it's also fuelled by hatred." |
| 21:52.17 | Shirik | lol |
| 21:52.34 | Cide | you can't say that isn't AWESOME |
| 21:52.44 | cog|work | nn |
| 21:52.52 | Cide | me too |
| 21:52.54 | Cide | night |
| 21:53.00 | cog|work | 2u2 |
| 21:53.21 | Cide | that's sad |
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| 21:54.00 | Shirik | nn Cide |
| 21:54.02 | Shirik | and cladhaire |
| 21:54.08 | Cide | night |
| 21:54.11 | Shirik | wb cladhaire, have a good nap? |
| 21:54.32 | clad|sleep | lol |
| 21:54.34 | clad|sleep | night |
| 21:54.36 | clad|sleep | hehe |
| 21:54.38 | clad|sleep | my proxy changes my nick when i reconnect/disconnect |
| 21:54.40 | clad|sleep | i should fix that |
| 21:55.29 | Shirik | :( raining hard now, I guess I'm stuck here for a while |
| 21:55.38 | Shirik | stupid visual studio install taking forever |
| 21:55.38 | Thunder_Child | i wish it was raining here |
| 21:59.30 | cog|work | i would, except we just spent ~$1500 getting our AC fixed |
| 22:00.02 | cog|work | <3 rain, but doing all that only to not need it would be 4tl :P |
| 22:01.12 | Shirik | this is interesting nevcairiel, the SSE5 instruction set has several capabilities that my DSP class uses quite often |
| 22:01.25 | Shirik | could prove very useful :) |
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| 22:01.42 | nevcairiel | good luck at getting SSE5 quite soon :P |
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| 22:01.45 | Shirik | FMADDPS dest, src1, src2, src3; dest = src1 * src2 + src3 ; <--- comes up so often |
| 22:02.06 | Shirik | oh I don't need SSE5, we have this crazy board to use, but I'm just saying it could be a big thing :) |
| 22:02.20 | zenzelezz | F' MAD DPS man, MAD DPS! |
| 22:02.35 | Shirik | ~lart zenzelezz |
| 22:02.35 | purl | follow's zenzelezz with a gauntlet and ... scratch ... HUMILIATION |
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| 22:05.51 | Shirik | going to head home now I guess, have fun |
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| 22:11.30 | Tekkub | "Ah, I have just the thing for you! Let me see, it's here in my pants somewhere..." |
| 22:13.56 | zenzelezz | ... |
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| 22:20.53 | cog|work | MentalPower: what were you doing in Tekkub's pants? |
| 22:21.07 | Tekkub | what do you think? |
| 22:21.42 | dylanm | Poetry slam! |
| 22:22.44 | MentalPower | these are Tekkub's pants? |
| 22:22.46 | MentalPower | crap, I thought these were yours cog :) |
| 22:23.03 | DARKGuy | gotta poof! |
| 22:23.10 | MentalPower | later DARKGuy |
| 22:28.48 | Tekkub | hey where's that frame modifier addon they showed at blizzcon? |
| 22:28.56 | Tekkub | the one to adjust anchors without a reload |
| 22:29.48 | Thunder_Child | should have asked slouken about that when he was in here last night |
| 22:30.38 | nevcairiel | blizzcon last year? --> http://ftp.blizzard.com/pub/WoW/other/EditingUI.zip |
| 22:31.56 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 22:36.10 | Tekkub | domo |
| 22:37.20 | cog|work | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ has all the blizzard addon tools |
| 22:37.38 | nevcairiel | not like there are really anymore :D |
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| 22:38.00 | Legorol | the interface addon kit is a pretty vital tool.. |
| 22:38.14 | nevcairiel | i just assume that we all have one of those |
| 22:38.15 | nevcairiel | ;) |
| 22:38.19 | Legorol | i have no idea how you would mod the existing interface, or learn how to, without reading the blizz ui source |
| 22:38.39 | Legorol | it all started with that one |
| 22:39.08 | Legorol | i think i still have a copy of FrameXML folder back somewhere from Beta |
| 22:39.24 | Legorol | those were the fun days... when you didn't even have the concept of addons |
| 22:39.47 | Legorol | modding the interface consisted of multiple edited portions in ChatFrame.lua, and "addon conflict" meant several people edited the same file |
| 22:39.54 | Legorol | funfun |
| 22:40.10 | Shirik | if by "fun" you meant "I'd rather be oedipus rex right now" |
| 22:40.29 | Legorol | I remember the days when the idea of function hooking was being discussed. |
| 22:40.53 | nevcairiel | wait wait, addons were possible back then right? everyone was just too stupid do create them stand-alone? =P |
| 22:40.57 | Legorol | I was one of the proponents of the idea, and initially it was dismissed as a "too fanciful, unneded" approach |
| 22:41.07 | nevcairiel | overwriting FrameXML was so much easier :D |
| 22:41.08 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 22:41.13 | ScytheBlade1 | In place of what, Legorol ? |
| 22:41.15 | Legorol | no nevcairiel, there actually was a period when all you could do was edit files in framexml |
| 22:41.26 | Legorol | ScytheBlade1: in place of directly editing blizz ui files |
| 22:41.31 | ScytheBlade1 | ah |
| 22:41.55 | Legorol | I proposed the idea that modding should consist of people making their own Lua file, and hooking the blizz functions, instead of editing blizz files |
| 22:42.07 | Legorol | so "installing" a mod would consist of adding your Lua file to the .toc |
| 22:42.26 | Legorol | it was dismissed at the time as a "too complicated approach that makes weird use of Lua" |
| 22:43.01 | Legorol | We've come a loooong way, that's for sure |
| 22:43.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Thankfully ;) |
| 22:44.11 | Legorol | The first examples of "oldFunction = BlizzFunction; BlizzFunction = MyFunction(); <some code>; oldFunction() end" were met by repulsion by most people |
| 22:44.13 | Legorol | can you beleive it? |
| 22:44.40 | nevcairiel | well it looks weird! |
| 22:44.45 | Tekkub | EditingUI doesn't work with my frame... lovely |
| 22:44.47 | Legorol | It sure does |
| 22:44.50 | Tekkub | not surprised |
| 22:44.59 | cog|work | Legorol: and then they added taint and it met people with repulsion |
| 22:45.07 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 22:45.11 | nevcairiel | nice one =P |
| 22:45.19 | Legorol | lol |
| 22:45.48 | Legorol | I also remember the day GlueXML was locked down, and later when FrameXML was locked down. |
| 22:45.55 | Legorol | In particular the FrameXML lockdown was amusing. |
| 22:46.14 | Legorol | There were cries of "oh no, we won't be able to mod anymore", or "such and such will never be possible now" |
| 22:46.18 | Legorol | People were ignorat |
| 22:46.31 | nevcairiel | everything was possible back then |
| 22:46.40 | nevcairiel | you could still overwrite whole functionality |
| 22:46.49 | nevcairiel | by just replacing the functions :P |
| 22:47.08 | Legorol | yup nevcairiel, but some people didn't beleive that's enough. go figure. |
| 22:47.23 | Legorol | Of course the single most impactful change in modding history was the protected functions with TBC. At least imo. |
| 22:47.28 | nevcairiel | wasnt that the time where you could essentially still write Lua ingame bots? |
| 22:47.36 | Legorol | sure |
| 22:47.42 | Legorol | that wasn't prevented up until TBC |
| 22:47.49 | nevcairiel | actually it was |
| 22:47.51 | cog|work | autotravel was working until 1.3 iirc |
| 22:47.54 | nevcairiel | requiring hardware events |
| 22:47.59 | nevcairiel | for certain commands |
| 22:48.00 | Legorol | cog|work: 1.6 |
| 22:48.01 | nevcairiel | was the first step |
| 22:48.05 | cog|work | eep |
| 22:48.08 | Legorol | nevcairiel: true, i forgot |
| 22:48.14 | Legorol | cog|work: i could be wrong, but i think it's 1.6 |
| 22:48.31 | Legorol | nevcairiel: but i'm talking about the idea of Lua making decisions for players. That wasn't prevented until TBC. |
| 22:48.39 | nevcairiel | thats true |
| 22:48.49 | nevcairiel | but a bot runs without me pressing one key all the time :D |
| 22:49.10 | Legorol | The interesting thing about it was that most of us thought it's very difficult to do, without completely nerfing modding, and it was amazing how Blizzard solved the problem with the taint idea. |
| 22:49.21 | Legorol | I was very impressed. |
| 22:49.45 | Legorol | nevcairiel: making your computer press a key repeatedly is trivial |
| 22:50.04 | Legorol | If you are running Win2k or higher, all it takes is notepad and 3 lines of text. With an out of the box installation. |
| 22:50.11 | nevcairiel | you know that water-bird that can run a nuclear power plant? |
| 22:50.12 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 22:50.19 | Legorol | lol, what? |
| 22:50.27 | nevcairiel | guess you dont know simpsons |
| 22:50.32 | Legorol | oh right |
| 22:50.33 | nevcairiel | or that episode |
| 22:50.34 | Legorol | yes i know that episode |
| 22:52.17 | cog|work | nevcairiel: thermodynamic botting |
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| 22:55.40 | Tuller | hrm yeah |
| 22:55.53 | Tuller | if I do tooltip hiding, I have to get rid of the onupdate script that exists currently... |
| 22:56.05 | Tuller | will laziness overtake me |
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| 23:57.35 | Shirik | .......... |
| 23:57.41 | Shirik | one of my friends has an interesting sense of humor |
| 23:57.53 | ScytheBlade1 | This is already going good places |
| 23:57.53 | Shirik | read the description (I'm Matt): http://erau-ieee.cold-coding.com/?page=images&pic=54 |
| 23:58.14 | Shirik | (Multisim is our simulation program for circuits) |
| 23:59.15 | sacarasc | well done, Matty |
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