IRC log for #wowuidev on 20080615

00:02.10ScytheBlade1wait, what?
00:02.19kd3http://www.ok-safe.com/files/documents/1/HJR1089_int.pdf
00:03.33KasoCan you start a sentance with whereas?
00:03.44kd3in legalese, probably
00:03.58kd3in real english, don't think so
00:04.14ScytheBlade1That's... wow
00:04.23ScytheBlade1I don't even know what that will result in
00:04.47kd3next to nothing. it's a joint resolution. they haven't passed anything. just political grandstanding
00:05.00ScytheBlade1Oh, ha
00:06.57KasoIt seems rather general, is there a paticular federal mandate that they are taking issue with?
00:07.09kd3just big gov't in general iirc
00:07.44Kaso"Stop doing so much stuff?" What? "Just stuff!"
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02:21.33MentalPowerok, heres a good one for you guys. Say I have a piece of code that goes "if varA and varB then .. end" I want the and to become an or based on the value of varC so that if varC is true I want the expression to be "if varA or varB then ... end". Any ideas for code compactness?
02:22.12Corrodiasi now think.
02:22.21Kasoive no idea what you just asked
02:22.52Corrodias"if (varC or varA) and (varC or varB) then:
02:22.54Kasoah i get it on second reading
02:22.58Corrodiasnah, hang on
02:23.04Corrodiasstupid me, that wouldn't help
02:23.29KasovarC and (varA or varB) or (varA and varB)
02:23.33Kasowouldnt that do it?
02:23.59Corrodiasthat depends on how Lua evaluates adjacents "and"s and "or"s; i can't say when it's assuming one or the other
02:24.48Corrodiasassuming and is evaluated before or, then i think it would
02:25.37Kasoi wish lua didnt have the stupid ambiguous ternary operator
02:25.52Corrodiaswhat's that?
02:26.05MentalPoweryou mean the hacked together ternary operator
02:26.11Kasoi do :p
02:26.18KasoCorrodias, whats a  ternary operator or whats abiguous?
02:26.20MentalPowerif varA and varB or varC then ... end
02:26.24Corrodiasa ternary operator
02:26.43Kasobasically its a way of compressing a whole if statment into one logical statement
02:26.44MentalPower(varA?varB:varC)
02:26.55Corrodiasi hate those
02:27.04MentalPowerthey're quite useful
02:27.06ScytheBlade1MentalPower: could always just do an if statement depentant on varC ;)
02:27.08Kasoyou can do stuf like "<if this>?<then this>:<else this>" in C
02:27.13Corrodiasuseful?
02:27.25Cideyes
02:27.27Corrodiasin some way that an "if" isn't? :o
02:27.29MentalPowerScytheBlade1: another if statement here would push me over the edge of sanity into the abyss
02:27.37Kasobut in wow it uses "and" and "or" instead of ? and : so its badly abiguous with logical operators
02:27.40MentalPowerScytheBlade1: the if statement is already several lines long
02:27.57ScytheBlade1MentalPower: as compared to borderline lua obfsuciation?
02:28.00ScytheBlade1Hmm
02:28.02CideCorrodias: it's nice in-line
02:28.12ScytheBlade1Sounds like your problem is in the multi-line if statement, not this ;)
02:28.37MentalPowerhttp://wowuidev.pastey.net/89554
02:28.42Corrodiasin-line? like, an If statement in the middle of another operation?
02:28.42Cidei.e. print("You have " .. n .. (n != 0 1 " apples" : "apple"))
02:28.48Cidelike that
02:28.52Cideerr
02:28.56Cidei.e. print("You have " .. n .. (n != 0 ? " apples" : "apple"))
02:28.59ScytheBlade1Ow, that is pretty painful
02:29.18MentalPowerScytheBlade1: line 11 is the "and" I want to conditionally turn into an "or"
02:29.20Corrodias(n != 1 ? " apples" : "apple")?
02:29.25ScytheBlade1hmm
02:29.31CideCorrodias: yes?
02:29.48Cideerr, should be " apple"
02:30.02Cideprint("You have " .. n .. (n != 0 ? " apples" : " apple"))
02:30.05Cidethere!
02:30.14ScytheBlade1Suddenly I like your varA, varB, and varC example better =[
02:30.16Cidegod damnit
02:30.21Cideprint("You have " .. n .. (n != 1 ? " apples" : " apple"))
02:30.24CideI'm tired, I'm so sorry
02:30.28MentalPowerScytheBlade1: lol :P
02:30.39ScytheBlade1give me a minute to finish this and... maybe
02:30.44Corrodias"but in wow it uses "and" and "or" instead of ? and : so its badly abiguous with logical operators" means it would be... (n != 1 and " apples" or "apple")?
02:30.52Cideyes
02:31.14Cidewell, " apple"
02:31.15Cidebut yes
02:31.45MentalPoweralso kinda fails when the second operator is false
02:31.46Corrodiasoh, i get it. you're talking about the way it returns the last value in an evaluation like that
02:31.57MentalPowerlua> (1 and false or true)
02:31.57lua_botMentalPower: true
02:32.22MentalPowerwhereas in a proper ?: construction the result would be false
02:32.26Corrodias(n != 1) and " apples" returns " apples" if n != 1, meanwhile if it's false, it returns " apple"
02:40.07ScytheBlade1MentalPower: okay, so what exactly are you looking to change with that?
02:40.25MentalPowerScytheBlade1: line 11
02:40.44ScytheBlade1I take it s/and/or/ won't quite do it ;)
02:40.59MentalPowerconditionally change that "and" to an "or" based on the return of another private.getOption()
02:41.02MentalPowerno ;)
02:41.37ScytheBlade1I'm not seeing a way to do it compactely..
02:41.53ScytheBlade1... and there he goes
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02:42.30ScytheBlade1... and he returns!
02:42.52ScytheBlade1The more I look over it, the more I actually think my initial answer was right
02:43.17ScytheBlade1I'd take that innermost var and var and var block (the one you want to change) and drop that into a seperate function
02:44.13ScytheBlade1and then simply call that function in place of the nasty
02:44.36MentalPowerwhich is?
02:44.47ScytheBlade1let me pastey it
02:45.03ScytheBlade1Give me a sec to write it all up first
02:45.16MentalPower[22:37:50]<ScytheBlade1>I take it s/and/or/ won't quite do it ;)
02:45.18MentalPower[22:38:04]<MentalPower>conditionally change that "and" to an "or" based on the return of another private.getOption()
02:45.21MentalPower[22:38:08]<MentalPower>no ;)
02:45.23MentalPower[22:38:53][ERROR]Connection to irc://chat.us.freenode.net/ (irc://chat.us.freenode.net/) reset. [Help]
02:45.24ScytheBlade1Yeah, I got that
02:45.37MentalPoweryou know, I agree with you
02:45.42ScytheBlade1My "initial answer" was that your problem is the size of your if statement
02:45.58ScytheBlade1Break it down, mainly the innermost part, into another function
02:47.42ScytheBlade1Call that function in place of your the triple and block
02:48.14MentalPoweraye, did that
02:48.16ScytheBlade1That way you can add more complexity to your big nasty if block without losing all forms of sanity (by moving some of the complexity into a smaller, simpler unit)
02:48.30MentalPowerlooks much nicer now, thanks :)
02:48.48ScytheBlade1heh, sure thing. Glad I'm of some use in here ;)
02:49.38MentalPowerwhy do you say that?
02:49.49MentalPoweryou've been of use before in the channel?
02:49.55MentalPowers/?//
02:49.58ScytheBlade1Because for the most part, I just troll and post forum links in here
02:50.03ScytheBlade1And then ask stupid questions about the XML
02:50.49ScytheBlade1I'm slowly beginning to, but as a whole, I refuse to knock something that has proven to work (the WoW XML specifically) before I can understand it inside and out
02:56.33MentalPoweris it bad that a supposed CD-rip that a friend just sent you encoded in 320Kbps sounds considerably worse than Pandora?
02:56.51Cideprobably
02:56.59Cidewtb pandora here in sweden :/
02:57.08MentalPowerproxy FTW :)
02:57.15Cideaye
02:57.27Cidebut I'd need a site-specific proxy
02:57.35Cidebecause firefox slows down to a crawl otherwise
02:58.43MentalPowerI think my friend actually ripped it in 64kbps and then "upconverted" it to 320 after I badgered him about his shitty rips last time around
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03:01.23Cidehaha
03:01.24ScytheBlade1haha
03:01.26Cidethat's sneaky
03:01.26ScytheBlade1"Whoops"
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03:19.15ncd|Aileenis there a easy possibility to export the config dialog of an ace3 addon to a fubar plugin?
03:19.28Cidewrong channel probably
03:19.48ncd|Aileenah, sorry :)
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05:25.54MentalPowernight all
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08:32.43TekkubWOOOOO!  Tanking kiting priest FTW!
08:33.03nobbe^.^
08:33.15Tekkubthat last guy in blood furn
08:33.24Tekkubone by one the AoE picks off people
08:33.39Tekkubleft with me (70 priest) and 56 hunter with like 100 HP left
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08:33.59nobbeReally?
08:34.00Thunder_Childnot like the priest was supposed to be healing or anything
08:34.03TekkubI heal him, hit the guy with SW:P and run in circles for a min while he slowly dies
08:34.08nobbeHe even warns you when he is gonna AE and has casting time ;p
08:34.30Tekkuboh the hunter kept aggroing shit and died in two hits, I couldn't keep him healed
08:34.49nobbeWell, not your fault that hunters are suicidal. :)
08:35.01nobbeAnyways; they got FD so they should be fine.
08:35.12Tekkubyea well, he wasn't exactly the smartest
08:35.33Tekkubwhen you're like 6 levels below the instance level... you stay BACK behind everyone, you don't go pull
08:35.39Thunder_Childheh, manditory IQ tests for guilds
08:36.23Tekkubyea they kept stepping on the prox mines too
08:36.25nobbeHaha, indeed Tekkub. He prolly only does glancing hits anyway so why even bother trying to do anything to the mobs.
08:36.34nobbeBetter to just stand far back and get some free exp :p
08:36.51Tekkubyup, I'm sure it was my dot that took out the last 4% on that boss there
08:37.12Tekkubhe certainly wasn't pulling aggro off me
08:37.48nobbeI need some nice healing UI that works with LibHealComm
08:37.51nobbeAny suggestions?
08:38.05Thunder_Childmake your own
08:38.37nobbeI started looking at LUA like... yesterday. ;)
08:38.38krkanobbe: Lua is not an acronym. It is a Portuguese word that means moon.
08:39.15Thunder_Childwell when i say "make your own" i mean peice together your own addons that you like
08:39.27Thunder_Childnot use someone elses precompiled stuff
08:39.36Thunder_Childbut thats just me
08:39.49nobbeAh yeah that's basically what im doing... I ment some sorta UnitFrame
08:42.23nobbeI think what it really boils down to is that i need a bigger and better monitor for the current addons i got.
08:43.54Tekkubyou don't get more UI area with a bigger res :P
08:43.56Tekkubuse scale
08:45.06Tekkubhttp://www.explosm.net/comics/1313/
08:45.09TekkubWOOOOO!!!!!
08:46.02nobbeThat's the ultimate mob right there. :D
08:46.11nobbeBet we'll be seeing a few of those in WOTL
08:46.13nobbeK
08:46.56TekkubI'm hoping that furblogs get a "bigger cousin" like orges did in BC
08:47.06Tekkubfurblog gronn FTFW
08:47.37Thunder_Childsilly man
08:47.39nobbeAh yeah, timbermaw clan ftw. ;-)
08:47.58Tekkubdon't make me link Kung Fu Panda porn
08:48.20Thunder_Childit's ok if it's jolie and liu
08:48.22nobbeHaven't seen that yet, it any good?
08:48.26nobbeNot the porn, the movie ;p
08:48.34Tekkubit's very funny
08:48.52Thunder_Childi found it to be so/so, enjoyable but nothing special
08:48.56Tekkubyou usual kiddie "believe in yourself" moral bullshit
08:49.19Tekkuband of course, quasi-matrix fight scenes
08:49.22nobbeAh, that can get tedious if they keep at it during the entire movie
08:49.39Tekkubthey don't go overboard on the moral shit really
08:50.18Tekkuband Thunder_Child, no po-porn
08:50.20Fisker-mortal kombat!
08:50.53Thunder_Childuhh..po-porn?
08:51.35nobbebrb, getting some coffee.
08:51.41Fisker-i ended Tekkub
08:51.52Tekkubpo porn :P
08:52.16Thunder_Childohh....*shivers*
08:53.20nobbeI should install wow at work
08:53.30nobbeCan be so dull here sometimes
08:53.57Fisker-lol @ the newest doctor who
08:54.19Fisker-if they're going to pretend that the phone is wireless atleast cover up the phone jack
09:10.02Corrodiasdid somebody say porn?
09:10.07Corrodiasthis is my specialty
09:10.19Thunder_Childwell, everyone needs a niche
09:10.41Corrodiasi don't have any panda porn, however
09:10.57Corrodiasmaybe you would accept dolphin instead?
09:11.08Thunder_Childpfft, even i have seen panda porn
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09:11.22Corrodiasi'm sure i've seen it; i just haven't saved any
09:13.10Thunder_Childthen sir, you fail
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09:35.37Corrodiaswell, dolphins are way better than pandas for that anyway
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09:39.40Thunder_Childthat is an opinion
09:40.02Corrodiasbut it's the right opinion
09:40.29Thunder_Childuhhh....no
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10:09.08bleetahCairenn, ScytheBlade1 PING
10:09.17Cairennbleetah: pong
10:09.27bleetahanother report of that thing
10:09.34bleetahit would seem, CSF
10:09.35Cairennfun fun
10:10.00bleetahperson seems at keys atm looking for advice, I'm tracking down the cleaning post... thought i'd bring botrh your attention to it
10:10.16Cairennsee it
10:11.36bleetahgah, where's your post in UI cair? I can find mine from yesterday that ref'd it :(
10:11.48bleetahnm got it
10:12.08Cairennk
10:12.25Cairennfor info, though - lot easier if you snag it from WoWI
10:12.40Cairennmuch easier to find there
10:12.47bleetahlooking a li'l more like curse
10:13.29Cairennyep
10:15.04Cairennokay, well, I have to be up in <4 hrs, think I should go try to get some sleep
10:15.21zenzelezzlies
10:15.22bleetahkk, I'll try getting hold of ckknight or guillotine.. or.. someone or other from curse
10:15.38bleetahmight be a driveby advert insertion... /shrug
10:15.58Cairennckk, guill, dotted, zyuu or kael
10:16.00zenzelezzwhat did I miss, another bad download?
10:16.32Cairennour friend that showed up repeatedly on incgamers is back
10:16.39zenzelezz>.<
10:16.39bleetahthe trojan from late last year that got inserted on a couple of addon sites has reappeared
10:16.52bleetahthis is the third report in as many days about it being out there again
10:17.02bleetahgnight Cairenn sleep well
10:17.36nevcairielI thought curse started approving all uploads by hand now
10:17.56bleetahcould be a driveby ad + flash bug exploit
10:18.02bleetahjust my 2c
10:18.07nevcairielhm
10:18.09nevcairielpossible too
10:18.22bleetahhopefully this guy can give us a lil insight
10:18.38bleetahthe last two reports I saw, the OP had gone before I got a full grasp on the situation and get info
10:18.50bleetahpisses me bigtime that Launcher STILL doesn't detect it
10:20.54zenzelezzyeah, I'm a bit confused by that
10:22.21bleetahI don't think the  # ops would truly object if I expressed my current thoughts... 'fucking stunned'
10:22.37bleetahLauncher should be detecting stuff that AV tools aren't yet detecting... this is amazing
10:23.01bleetahthat's to say, stuff Blizz knows about but AV tools refuse to accept and include detection for
10:23.07nevcairiellauncher does something useful?
10:23.40bleetahyeah, just seems about 12 months out of date
10:23.59cladhairenevcairiel: they approve new addons by hand
10:24.02cladhairenot new uploads
10:24.08nevcairieloh lol
10:24.13nevcairielhow useful is that =P
10:24.36cladhaireit stops lightheaded from being posted.
10:24.46bleetahstill, doesn't necessarily explain how it gets installed if people are downloading .zip
10:24.50cladhairewhich i've been fighting for for four years now.
10:24.54bleetahguessing there's some .exe on there or similar
10:24.58cladhaireaye
10:25.00bleetahheya clad mate :)
10:25.06cladhairehi
10:25.18nevcairiel.zip.exe ... hide known file types .. win
10:25.19bleetahLeif's saying in CSF he suspects QH from Curse
10:25.36cladhaireqh shouldn't have any .exe
10:25.38bleetahstill waiting on OP http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7116275636&postId=71157468006&sid=1
10:25.41cladhaireit didn't when i ever looked at it.
10:25.56nevcairielIt would be a perfect target though
10:26.00nevcairielvery high userbase
10:26.05bleetahyeah, but remember the last infections were from compromised uploads
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10:26.10bleetah*upload server
10:26.26bleetahor something very similar
10:26.26cladhaireyes, i do
10:26.26cladhairebut in those cases
10:26.31cladhairethey attacked files that already were .exe
10:26.35cladhaireat least with incgamers
10:26.40cladhaireand the wowi one as well, afaik
10:26.44bleetahnevcairiel: agreed
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10:38.54bleetahOK, guy with the infection is also running QuestHelper
10:39.10bleetahleif, who also posted in that thread, also indicates he suspects QH
10:39.30bleetahI don't have a clean machine on standby for investigation right now :(
10:39.40cladhairewell, does it have an exe in it?
10:39.43cladhairelets start there
10:41.37cladhairenope, nothing suspect
10:41.45cladhaireint he least
10:43.33nevcairielmaybe they are getting smart and pullled it again
10:43.41Corrodiasyou should get a virtual machine! :D
10:43.43bleetahk, still might be some form of driveby exploit dependant on QH d/l
10:44.04bleetahCorrodias: yeah, I don't have access to mine atm to try 'vanilla' IE :(
10:44.45bleetahand of course, might not even be curse at all, just pure coincidence
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11:02.10bleetahZyuu: ping
11:04.06bleetahZyuu: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7116275636&sid=1 please read and review. this is the fourth time in three days I've seen a report of this trojan reappearing, second time someone's imtinated they only use curse. first time OP is still @ keys while I am.
11:12.00Corrodiasyou know
11:12.09Corrodiasopen proxies in russia really should work on their reliability
11:22.21foxlitI'm sure they're just performing upgrades to their traffic logging capabilities :)
11:23.03Corrodiaslol
11:23.38Corrodiasactually, the listing site rates most of the open proxies (anonymous ones, anyway) at under 8% uptime so take that for what it's worth
11:24.13foxlitdoes tor let you choose exit nodes?
11:25.29tlundyes
11:25.45foxlitSo go through that rather than hunting for open proxies? :)
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12:18.17batrickSomeone give me a good name for a file's variables that isn't local or variable
12:18.49nevcairiela global constant?
12:19.08batrickya, could be a local or global (like a table or string)
12:19.49Shirikwhat do you mean?
12:20.10Mikkthere isn't really such a thing as "file" variables in lua
12:20.13batrickI'm making a documentation system, I need a name for these things
12:20.29batrickMikk: from a documentation standpoint there are
12:20.43ShirikFILE*
12:21.06Shirikgood name imo, everyone should understand it :)
12:21.57bleetahk, the OP of the trojan's reporting a successful clean. good news, for him at least. I'll catch up with folks tomorrow (my time, ~8-10 hours) see where this has gone
12:23.07Shiriktrojan?
12:23.08bleetahthanks to people who responded and looked at it, I've made a Suggestion post that Blizz update Launcher, bumped the UI post I made yesterday, pinged Zyuu, Dotoff, scytheblade ... dunno what else I, a lowly user, can do. thanks for your time again :)
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12:23.28Shirik:( I missed something again?
12:23.59bleetahShirik: that incgamers/wowi thing's back, four reports in three days... http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7116275636&sid=1 ... though source is totally unknown still. might appear to be curse, may not be. could be driveby JS+Flash exploit from somewhere else... /shrug
12:24.18Shirikdid anyone check incgamer's stuff?
12:24.49bleetahafaik no one has a clean/virtual  machine nearby, that's no one who's been about here in past hour.
12:24.50Shirikoh he says he only uses curse
12:24.57Shirikpsh, I don't use a virtual machine
12:25.03bleetahhehe
12:25.04ShirikI just break into the code, it's more fun
12:25.09Shirikbesides, UAC will save me!
12:25.15bleetahlawlz
12:25.42cladhairewell
12:25.45cladhairether'es no exe to look at yet
12:25.53cladhaireor at least i haven't seen one
12:26.01cladhairethe addons i've looked at are clean
12:26.29Shirikyeah, what cladhaire said -- since he's not using incgamers there's no reason to look at him except due to historical reasons
12:26.38Shiriks/him/them/
12:27.04cladhairewe can't really do anything until we find something, all we have now is causality
12:28.29bleetahyup, indeed, I hope I've clarified and stuff enough so that the curse folks don't hate me. i hoped to at least lean partially in that direction based upon the report, but be clear that it's entirely possible it's not related. if someone thinks I didn't do that enough, feel free to post to the thread.
12:29.02bleetahnow, though, I should think about getting ready for sleep, which means logging off IRC ... take it easy folks, and g'luck to you all on what was a very chilly Sunday :P
12:31.33ShirikI still intend to look at incgamers stuff, I haven't looked at it in a while :) No real reason to, just because
12:32.22Shirikalso, I'm the only one online in guild :( I don't remember the last time that happened
12:32.55Fisker-ah
12:32.59Fisker-good old incgamers
12:33.10Fisker-it's a shame though
12:33.26Fisker-mmo-champion apparently almost got them booted from the fsp because of copyright issues
12:33.47Shirikoh? I didn't hear about that
12:34.25Fisker-well they had the same "neatly filtered" patch notes as Bibi makes himself
12:34.41Fisker-so he started making some small changes as opposed to the real patch notes
12:34.51Fisker-like a punctuation or comma
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12:34.59Shiriklol
12:35.10Fisker-and oddly enough incgamer's patchnotes with same filtering had the same "additions"
12:35.41cladhairelol
12:35.43bleetahOP's got hit again, after installing 5 addons from curse, check his latest post... someone else please post and follow that thread if possible, seems the guy knows at least a little
12:35.56cladhairehow is he installi
12:36.00cladhaireusing the curse client?
12:36.02cladhairedownloading?
12:37.41Fisker-anyone know if you can get microsoft word to do some neat source code indention/coloring without manually doing it?
12:37.53nevcairieli wouldnt expect it
12:37.55cladhaireuse vim to convert the source to html with colors
12:37.59cladhaireand copt/paste the html into word
12:38.23Fisker-does vim support C#?
12:38.41bleetahcladhaire: he mentions 'extracting', so don't think so
12:38.48cladhairewell we shoudl clarify
12:38.58cladhairebecause curse package manager would be the first suspect
12:39.02bleetahI've really gotta go to bed, I'm passing out in my chair
12:39.06cladhaireok
12:39.07cladhairegoodnight
12:39.16cladhaireFisker-: yes
12:39.21bleetahI tried coffee about 30 mins ago, no effect :(
12:39.24bleetahgnight all!
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12:39.43Fisker-so what command would i use? :P
12:39.52cladhairefigure it out
12:40.11Fisker-;_;
12:40.47cladhairenorgs: 'vim -f +"syn on" +"let html_use_css = 1" +"set ts='.$ts.'"
12:40.47cladhaire+"colo '.$colo.'" +"run! syntax/'.$lang.'.vim" +"run!
12:40.47cladhairesyntax/2html.vim" +"wq" +"q" '.escapeshellarg($tmp)
12:40.49cladhairenorgs: where $ts = tab-stop width
12:40.51cladhaire$color = my colour scheme file
12:40.53cladhaire$lang = the syntax file i want to use
12:41.04Fisker-O_o
12:41.06Fisker-thanks
12:42.10foxlitmore importantly, what are you doing putting source code into ms word?
12:42.23Fisker-a little thing called style
12:42.25Fisker-:P
12:42.30Fisker-nah just a report
12:42.43cladhairelatex
12:42.44foxlitYou should hear about a little something called LaTeX
12:42.48cladhairelive it, breathe it.
12:43.06Fisker-well you just wrote 3 lines of code instead of latex then!1
12:43.18foxlitIt's 1 in latex
12:44.13batrickDoes wowmatrix store local copies of Addons?
12:44.32cladhaireas in do they serve from their servers
12:44.32cladhaireyes
12:45.02Arrowmasterwhich is why we all say to avoid them
12:45.28batrickseems what they do is illegal
12:45.32batrickat least in my case
12:45.34cladhaireyes
12:45.49cladhairethey dont touch mine, so i dont take action
12:45.52cladhaireif they did, i would
12:46.20foxlitgoogle cache?
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12:56.19Mikkgoogle cache is something entirely different
12:56.26Mikkas is your local browser cache
12:56.36Mikkas is caching proxies
12:57.39foxlitthan storing copies of publicly available zips and indexing them?
12:58.22Arrowmasterif the license doesnt allow redistrubution then its illegal
12:58.23nevcairiela cache doesnt create a index page that you can use to access them
12:58.23foxlit(I presume that's what we're talking about - no actual knowledge of how wowmatrix operates)
12:58.38foxlitgoogle's does :/
12:59.10nevcairielnot exactly, it'll always show the original link too
12:59.23nevcairielwith s smaller "show using cache" button
12:59.25nevcairielthats different
13:00.26foxlitI'm sure it makes you feel slightly better
13:01.57nevcairielAnd i bet google would stop caching your page if you ask them to
13:02.04Arrowmasterthey do
13:02.09nevcairieli even bet there are some html meta keywords that make google stop
13:02.27Arrowmasteri think googlecache uses a different useragent than normal google, so you can just add it to robots.txt
13:03.33Arrowmasterany html meta keywords would be the generic ones that would prevent anything that obays them from indexing your page
13:04.13Arrowmasterhell google code search even uses a different useragent than normal google for robots.txt
13:04.19foxlitBy the same generic property, following them is entirely optional :)
13:04.35Arrowmasterbut google isnt evil
13:04.38Arrowmasterso it follows them
13:04.45nevcairiel<META NAME="ROBOTS" CONTENT="NOARCHIVE">
13:04.48nevcairielmeta tag :)
13:04.49Arrowmasterand publishs exactly how they follow them
13:05.18Corrodiasyou can also ban the google bot from your server
13:05.33nevcairielyeah
13:05.33Corrodiasbut that would only cover google.
13:05.38Arrowmastermuch easyer to just use robots.txt than to try and ban google bot
13:05.51nevcairieleven image-search uses its own useragent
13:06.14foxlitMoral here is that google lets you do that; I doubt they're required to :)
13:06.16Arrowmasteryou can wildcard all of google in robots.txt
13:06.47Arrowmasterits the internet, not much is actually 'required'
13:07.05Shirikevil bots don't pay attention to robots.txt :)
13:07.16Shirikrobots.txt is just a standard way of saying "here's what I'd prefer"
13:07.19nevcairielalthough any public search engine uses robots.txt, or they end up in the media too fast
13:07.26Arrowmasterthe only way to handle evil bots is actually baning them
13:08.50nevcairielthe point is, if its a legal proxy/cache, there are ways to change its behaviour
13:09.19nevcairielcaching html proxys read the pragma settings from the html, for example
13:09.52foxlit"legal"
13:10.06nevcairielthat was where the discussion started =P
13:10.09Corrodiasnothing annoys me more than a google cached page that loads the page from the site anyway
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13:10.12Arrowmastercaching html proxies usually read the html headers for the exact details of how long to cache it
13:11.25Arrowmasterits ment to be a recent cache for if the server is down, not a copy of what it used to be
13:11.44nevcairielyeah or just for speed up
13:11.51Corrodiaswhich doesn't help if it loads data from the server. so when the server is down, it still doesn't work.
13:12.02nevcairiela caching proxy will generally do a HEAD on the real webserver and compare time stamps/cache settings
13:12.11nevcairielto decide if to serve from cache or forward
13:12.39Arrowmasteroh you mean how googlecache doesnt cache any of the images or change the links to point to cached links?
13:12.53Corrodiasbut if i were to continue talking, i'd probably start steering toward my old peeve about ownership of information and i just don't have the energy for it right now. i have to get to bed.
13:12.56Corrodiasno, Arrowmaster
13:13.35Corrodiasi mean you open the page, and it actually loads the current page from the server, not a cache of anything... either that, or it updated the cache more recently than it recompiled the search cache
13:13.59Corrodiasno, never mind. i mean really. the target site is down, and the "cached" version won't load.
13:14.48Corrodiasi run across that once in a while on google and it makes me wonder why they even have the cache link in cases like that. it doesn't seem to do anything except put a google header at the top.
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15:38.37Kasohttp://maps.google.com/maps?q=35.027222,-111.0225&ie=UTF8&ll=35.023179,-111.005259&spn=0.0511,0.075188&t=h&z=14&iwloc=addr
15:39.19KasoThats rediculous, your doing a high-res imaging flyover of the area, but you miss the most interesting part for miles around by a few hundred meters ><
15:40.20foxlit/use Tinfoil Hat
15:40.48Kasohah
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16:00.13Mikki feel i'm missing something here
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16:02.49purlseerah <n=Ryan_L@adsl-21-214-34.mem.bellsouth.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 1d 23h 59m 9s ago, saying: 'the next one will encompass both weeks :)'.
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16:12.48Shirik~ping
16:12.49purlpong
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16:50.20Kasohttp://skulk.mirror.waffleimages.com/files/3e/3e7b90855113e12190cd0dc0c30a2536322c1adf.jpg
16:50.23KasoI love this image
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17:06.57wereHamsterKaso: I don't get it
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17:07.47Kasoits the mounting point on a Space Shuttle Carrier Aircraft
17:07.59Kasowhere the space shuttle is attached
17:08.09Kaso(note black side down) is so awesome
17:08.24Kasohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shuttle_Carrier_Aircraft
17:09.15wereHamsterhow could you put it not with the black side down?
17:09.51SnagoIt's called humor
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17:10.53Kasorocket scientists have a sense of humor!
17:11.15wereHamsteryou never know, in america there's always the chance that you'll get sued for stupid things you didn't mention (eg. warning: coffee is hot)
17:11.45wereHamsterso I wouldn't be surprised if the text was put there intentionally and not because of humor
17:12.21Fisker-http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AKDL1-Dedicated-Link-Cable/dp/B000I1X6PM <-that's one quality cable
17:13.59Cide>>> 3/4 * 2
17:13.59CideCide: 1.5
17:14.59Kasoneed lua for that Cide? :p
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17:15.43foxlitability to do basic arithmetic is inversely proportional with level of education
17:21.17Mikkindeed
17:21.53Mikki'd often end 4 pages of simplifying an equation downto something like x=15-13 and only catching myself after i'd have punched in the answer on the calculator
17:22.43Mikknote however that it's not necessarily proportional to whatever your school grades say
17:22.54Mikkforgetting stuff means improving basic arithmetic too
17:23.37Mikki mean, today, i barely remember basic trig, and now i can even do factors in my head!
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17:29.13ckknightCairenn: I have an issue
17:29.19Cairennckknight: what's up?
17:29.40ckknightCairenn: can you remove cartographer's most recent file?
17:29.50ckknightor something
17:29.55ckknightI can't figure out your interface
17:30.05Cairennwhat's wrong with it?
17:30.06ckknightI left in some debug stuff and the wowace zip hasn't been recreated yet
17:30.13ckknightI know people are going to bitch.
17:30.16Cairennahhhh
17:30.17ckknightit's an inevitability
17:30.37Cairennany idea how long until the new zip is ready?
17:31.05ckknight9 minutes
17:31.07ckknight:-P
17:31.08ckknightprobably
17:31.15ckknightprobably not a big deal
17:31.35ckknightbut still, annoying and I know I'm gonna get emails saying "o hai i get spammed with stuffs fix it fix it fix it fix it"
17:31.50Cairennonly way that *I* can do it is to re-up one of the archived versions, forcing the new version to thus become an archive and then delete it
17:32.23ckknightick.
17:32.24Cairennif dolby were here he might be able to do it some other way but he's on vacation for the week
17:32.41Cairennand I don't have the direct access to the server that he does
17:33.32CairennI can do it that way if you want me to
17:33.51ckknightnah, I'll just wait till the new zip
17:33.56Cairennokay
17:33.58Cairennsorry
17:35.26Cairennckknight, Zyuu, Dotted - has bleeter been able to get in touch with any of you yet re trojan?
17:35.28Shirikcould unapprove it temporarily
17:35.32Shirikjust so nobody downloads it
17:35.35Cairennhttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7116275636&sid=1
17:35.40CairennShirik: aye, can do that
17:36.06ckknightZyuu: you handle that one
17:36.35Cairennckknight: I un-approved it
17:36.43ckknightthanks
17:36.51Mikkckknight: you can just make a zip of your own yaknow... no need to wait for files.wowace to do it for you?
17:37.06ckknightMikk: but I have a few libraries
17:37.21ckknightand it generates the changelog et al
17:37.25Mikktrue
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17:45.29Adys_~seen guillotine
17:45.30purlguillotine <n=Guilloti@cpe-76-167-203-65.socal.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 2d 8h 45m 33s ago, saying: 'hahaha, http://www.zoitz.com/'.
17:45.35Adys_bleh
18:02.24ckknightokay, Cairenn, all fixed now
18:02.31Cairenn*nod* saw that
18:02.47Cairennall approved
18:02.52ckknightyou saw it?
18:03.01ckknightyou're a witch!
18:03.03ckknightI knew it!
18:03.04Cairennsaw that you had updated it
18:03.06Cairennlol
18:03.07ckknightprecognition!
18:03.20ckknightno, wait, just fast cognition
18:03.22ckknightthat's it.
18:03.23Cairennwas in the queue approving another one and saw the time stamp change on yours
18:03.38Cairenn:)
18:04.01ckknight:-P
18:04.14Fisker-i disagree
18:04.15ckknightCairenn: do you even play WoW?
18:04.15ckknightjw
18:04.23Cairennyeah, I do
18:04.26ckknightalright
18:04.28Fisker-she's level 2 now
18:04.31ckknightI kinda started up again
18:04.34ckknightsorta
18:04.45Cairennyeah?
18:04.49ckknightyea
18:04.57ckknightand I coded on Cartographer3 yesterday and today
18:05.02ckknightmissed it
18:05.02Cairenncool :)
18:05.07ckknightlousy grown-up people work
18:05.09ckknightgetting in the way
18:05.14Cairennhehehe
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18:06.22Fisker-so you soon reaching level 3?
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18:14.23Fisker-wtb visio fix for the diagram crash :(
18:14.37Fisker-been there for like a year now ;_;
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18:32.58Mikkthat's what you get for running too new versions tbfh
18:33.01Mikkthey only get worse
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18:40.24Thunder_Childhttp://entertainment.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/06/15/1529235&from=rss
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19:35.24ScytheBlade1Zyuu: ping!
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19:54.12ScytheBlade1And why not, Shirik! Ping!
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20:04.27Thunder_ChildFisker-, that trout is destryed already....you have slapped everone and their mothers
20:07.11Fisker-oh yeah
20:07.23Fisker-but little did you know that i actually have a steady supply of trouts
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20:13.13Thunder_Childtry anoyther fish then....the same diet gets old
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21:15.22bleetahgah who let that lot back in :(
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21:21.49bleetahsounds like some folks may have some probs atm due to identification issues :(
21:22.07bleetahyou might wanna check which server you're connected to, and force a connection to a diff one
21:22.33bleetahif you wanna speak urgently hehe, appears at least shirik can't identify
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21:22.50ShirikI'm identified
21:23.22bleetahoh, wb
21:23.22bleetahniven just went boom again hehe
21:23.22nevcairielheh
21:23.23nevcairielsplit seem to have ended
21:23.23Shirikare people having trouble identifing?
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21:23.27nevcairielor maybe not
21:24.17bleetahnevcairiel: it's watching what you type ;)
21:24.18kd3eesh at people's play at the open today
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21:31.15Tekkubstupid fucking scifi channel with their stupid fucking half-seasons
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21:31.35nevcairielwhich one for you?
21:31.41TekkubBSG
21:31.48nevcairieloh yeah
21:31.49nevcairielsad thing
21:31.55nevcairielneed moar!
21:31.59Thunder_Childat least pick a good show to watch Tekkub
21:32.07nevcairielBSG owns
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21:32.17Tekkubthey do it with all their "premier" shows... stargate...
21:32.25Tekkubdon't do it to Eureka though I think
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21:32.44nevcairielEureka is one of those summer series anyway
21:32.49nevcairielto fill the time until the big ones come back
21:32.56Thunder_Childi dunno, i usually wait till all the shows in a season are done then watch em all at once
21:32.58TekkubThunder_Child, SciFi channel is about the only shitty american TV I watch... mostly because it's not american
21:33.05Tekkubnearly all their shit is canadien :)
21:33.15Thunder_Childfilmed there...but thats about it
21:33.20nevcairielDoes Eureka start again this year?
21:33.30Tekkubwell, it wasn't MADE in the US :P
21:33.33JoshBorke~lart nevcairiel
21:33.33purlcats /dev/urandom into nevcairiel's ear
21:33.46Tekkubeureka was renewed last I checked
21:33.49nevcairielJoshBorke: what? :(
21:34.05JoshBorkeit was the cat, i swear
21:34.46TekkubI should name a cat Con
21:35.07nevcairielTekkub: whats even worse, no second half-season until 2009 of BSG =(
21:35.08Thunder_Childnevcairiel, according ti imdb season 3 starts july 28 08
21:35.09Tekkubor maybe Concat would make more sense
21:35.16Thunder_Childs/28/29/
21:35.26Thunder_Childdamit...to*
21:35.34Tekkubnev, exactly why they need to just call them "real" seasons
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21:35.47Tekkubone a year is a fucking season even if it's half as many eps
21:35.54nevcairielTekkub: i would prefer real 22 ep seasons though =P
21:35.58kd3whee at heinlein going splat
21:36.17nevcairielthey used to air half a season in the spring and the other half in autumn
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21:36.20nevcairielbut not this year
21:36.23Tekkubso don't call them seasons?  11 eps is a brittish Series!
21:36.30Tekkubfuck with people's minds
21:36.59nevcairielwhatever you call it, i want more eps!
21:37.02nevcairielnow!
21:37.03nevcairiel:)
21:37.52nevcairielThunder_Child: tv.com agrees with you
21:37.57TekkubI can wait, I'm mostly just pissed off at the half-season crap
21:38.16Tekkubit's like an excuse to cop out and not make a "full" finale at the end of a run
21:38.19Thunder_ChildTekkub, then watch em at the end
21:38.23nevcairielthey should schedule the series ebtter, in the last month like all series i watched went into mid-season break
21:38.25nevcairieli mean wtf
21:38.29nevcairielgive me something to watch
21:38.52nevcairiel(or even the season ended)
21:39.01TekkubThunder_Child, well when the only things I got on my box are anime filler (fuck you Bleach) and BSG, and I want to watch something with dinner...
21:39.04nevcairielbut there is not one left now that BSG is gone too
21:39.19Tekkubnev, that's something I don't get at all
21:39.31Tekkubthe networks fight with each other for ratings at the same time..
21:39.39Tekkubthen all go out of season at the same time...
21:39.40Thunder_ChildTekkub, a movie
21:39.41nevcairielyeah and summer has nothing
21:39.51TekkubSTAGGER YOUR SEASONS and everyone gets views!
21:39.52Thunder_Childor a book
21:39.53nevcairielalso, there havent been any half-decent movies lately
21:40.16TekkubThunder_Child, movies are shit these days... I've seen like 3 in the last 2 years
21:40.36Tekkuband one can't read a book with his husband as you eat lunch :P
21:40.37Thunder_Childi have simpsons ep's 1-18 and i am going through watching stuff i havent seen yet
21:40.42nevcairielI've seen alot of movies, i can count the good ones on one hand
21:40.56nevcairieli watched simpsons 1-18 at least twice
21:40.58Thunder_Childer..seasons*
21:40.58TekkubKung Fu Panda was good...
21:41.00nevcairielits getting boring :P
21:41.05Tekkubbefore that Narnia, okeyish...
21:41.17Tekkubbefore that Simpsons... just another episode...
21:41.19Thunder_Childolder series
21:41.31Tekkubbefore that... I can't remember any movies when we were in AR
21:41.36nevcairielI'm jumping on anything good that someone points out to me
21:41.45Thunder_Childwar, inc.
21:41.48Thunder_Childdamn good movie
21:42.58Tekkubaside from anime, there really aren't any old series out there we'd watch that we havn't already seen
21:43.12Thunder_ChildTekWar...the thing that shatner wrote?
21:43.16Tekkubyes
21:43.23Thunder_Childi only ever read the books
21:43.24Tekkubit just got DVD'd like last week
21:43.27Thunder_Childbooks were good
21:43.36TekkubI was reading netfilx's new releases
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21:44.10Tekkubyou know what we really need...
21:44.12Thunder_Childwell when i said old things i picked up andromeda/sliders/jack of all trades
21:44.25Tekkubanother "discovered Roddenberry" series
21:44.43TekkubEFC was okey, then Andromeda was good until the weird ass last season
21:44.44Thunder_Childi cant find earth final conflict
21:44.54Thunder_Childya, that last season was odd
21:44.57Tekkub<-- has a cat named Rommie
21:45.23Thunder_Childya, to bad the real rommie is taken...
21:46.11TekkubI liked when they had Daniel Jackson on there... I didn't even realize it was him until near the end of the ep
21:46.20Thunder_Childthey had teal'c as well
21:46.28Thunder_Childor however you spell his name
21:46.30Tekkubyea he was a lot more obvious
21:47.08TekkubTeal'c grew hair!
21:47.20Thunder_Childi know, i liked him better bald
21:47.34Tekkubbald and mad looking or hairy and happy....
21:48.02Thunder_Childi kinda iffy on the mix-n-match they are doing with diff actors of the shows
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21:48.31TekkubI found it funny actually... SG1 became their "fallback"
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21:48.42Tekkubcancel Farscape... oh look they're on SG!
21:48.50Thunder_Childand atlantis
21:48.55Thunder_Childnvm
21:48.56Tekkubno more Andromeda... hey Rommie's the doc now!
21:49.06nevcairielI liked Andromeda
21:49.10nevcairielthe last season sucked, though
21:49.21Thunder_Childthat was firefly
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21:49.28TekkubI liked Andromeda mostly because Sorbo made fun of stupid Herc in it
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21:49.33nevcairielheh
21:49.37nevcairielfirefly was cool too
21:49.50TekkubFF was... I don't know, just badly timed I think
21:50.01TekkubI was a good show, but noone noticed it till it was over
21:50.09Thunder_Childi really liked it, it had my brand of sarcasicness
21:50.10nevcairielthats true
21:50.15Tekkubbut then, it was a Fox scifi wasn't it? they kill everything they create
21:50.56nevcairieli watched firefly after i saw serenity
21:50.56Tekkub*coughsliderscough*
21:50.56nevcairieldidnt notice it before
21:50.56Thunder_Childnevcairiel, same here
21:51.10Tekkubsomeone pointed me to it shortly before SciFi reaired it
21:51.11Thunder_ChildTekkub, what about sliders?
21:51.18Tekkubwe'd seen em all by the time they started
21:51.26TekkubSliders == Fox sciFi
21:51.35Tekkubso, got killed off just as it got good
21:51.37Thunder_Childoh, well it did longer than firefly
21:51.37nevcairielwas sliders any good?
21:51.47Thunder_Childi enjoyed it
21:51.59Thunder_Childesp when whats her face came on
21:52.04TekkubSliders started good, then they killed the prof off to bring in Boobs and it went to crap
21:52.08Tekkubthen the cancelled it
21:52.09TullerI got a friend who's really obsessive over battlestar now, to the point he wanted complete silence when an episode came on
21:52.21Tekkubthen SciFi channel got it, but never really saved the show
21:52.22nevcairielhm 4 seasons
21:52.29nevcairielat least soem time i could kill with it =P
21:52.44Thunder_Child5 seasons ven
21:52.55Thunder_Childerr..nev
21:52.58Tekkubin the end the only one that survives was that stupid Rembrant that never really even belonged
21:53.11nevcairielah yeah
21:53.13nevcairielmissed one
21:53.17Tekkubhe was like the tagalong "hey guys... guys?" redshit that just NEVER DIED
21:53.55Thunder_Childalso tripping the rift...though thats slightly different
21:54.13Tekkubheh, that's like SciFi's attemt at South Park
21:54.25Tekkubbut they're not willing to push the limits of the censors
21:54.26Thunder_Childsicne i hate south pack i would have to say it;s better
21:54.45TekkubI love South Park... because I grew up in the CO mountains too
21:54.51TullerShirik: approve my addon :P
21:54.53Tekkubyou have no idea how accurate that show is
21:57.27Thunder_Childnot at all
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21:57.49zenzelezzwe won
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22:03.38bleetahgrats
22:03.47bleetahi think.. that's to say, I'm assuming you wanted to win
22:04.02ScytheBlade1bleetah: sorry to disappoint, I enjoy sleeping ;)
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22:05.25bleetahScytheBlade1: :P I as only doing what you asked... wll, 'cept for the bit about the goat, that may have been a li'l OTT ;)
22:05.31bleetah*i was
22:06.10LopeppeppyHeya, zenzelezz.  *hugs*  Been moving all weekend, I'm a tired un-Peppy person!
22:06.28zenzelezzun-peppy?
22:07.01LopeppeppySoooo tired, no pep left to the Peppy!  Thanks bleetah, I need those.
22:07.14zenzelezzthen this is for joo: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/06/12/funny-pictures-i-haz-a-happee/
22:08.00ShirikTuller: Sorry I was afk
22:08.00Shiriklua> return 0x1234;
22:08.00lua_botShirik: 4660
22:08.05ShirikI didn't realize Lua allowed that syntax....
22:08.18nevcairielits smart!
22:08.34bleetahno u
22:08.34LopeppeppyI love that one, zenzelezz!
22:09.01ShirikTuller: all set
22:09.05Tullerhurray
22:09.28Shirikhey cool
22:09.36Shiriksomeone uploaded an addon and they obviously use my updater
22:09.41Shirikit still has my updater's data files in it
22:10.06DARKGuyhaha
22:10.10DARKGuywhat's your updater? o,o
22:10.11zenzelezzgive it up freenode-connect, you're getting paranoid
22:10.21Dark_Elfwonders what this Mangos is
22:10.29DARKGuysome private server emulator
22:10.31DARKGuyit sucks .P
22:10.48DARKGuybah, all of them suck ><
22:10.52DARKGuyretail ftw.
22:11.15DARKGuy.. who brought that up anyways
22:11.28nevcairieltuller has a addon names Mangos
22:11.29nevcairiel:P
22:11.31DARKGuylol
22:11.32DARKGuyreally
22:11.40TullerI have an addon named _dominos_
22:11.41Tuller:P
22:11.55nevcairielthats the new mangos name?
22:12.00Tullertruth
22:12.07bleetahwish people wouldn't mention mangos
22:12.11bleetahmakes me think of melons
22:12.15nevcairiellol
22:12.16bleetahthem I'm all ... :-S
22:12.29DARKGuyhahahaha
22:12.35nevcairielthats kind of a stretch
22:12.38DARKGuyMangos is actually the spanish name for a fruit we have here
22:12.43DARKGuyMango ^^
22:12.51DARKGuyit's tasty :3
22:13.01TullerI thought about calling mangos melons, but decided that would give bad search results for an entirely different reason :P
22:13.08nevcairiel1. Mangos, 2. Melons, 3. ..., 4. Profit!
22:13.14DARKGuyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mango
22:13.23DARKGuyhaha
22:13.38TekkubSuch is the Mango!
22:13.44bleetahnot really a spanish word
22:14.04bleetahentered EU languages via portuguese, who got it from trading in the far east
22:14.05TekkubTuller, ManGoo
22:14.13nevcairielIsnt Mango like the word in english too ? :P
22:14.21Tullerit is
22:14.21bleetahnevcairiel: yes
22:14.29bleetahthe genus has 'mang' at the base
22:14.34nevcairielIts the same word in german, at least
22:14.39TekkubMongoose?
22:15.06Tullernevcairiel: http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw14234.jpg look at all of the options! :)
22:15.28bleetah"The name mango is ultimately either from the Kodagu mange, the Malayalam manga, or the Tamil mangai, and was loaned into Portuguese in the early 16th century, and from Portuguese passed into English. The ending in -o appears in English and is of unclear origin"
22:15.32bleetahfrom the wikipedia article
22:15.36bleetahok, coffee time
22:15.44nevcairielTuller: there is a + button, i bet you hide all the fancyness there!
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22:15.53Tullerjust the profile junk
22:15.58DARKGuyMango ftw though.
22:16.11nevcairielTuller: but where do i point people now if they want variable length bars? :(
22:16.30nevcairieltrinity-bloat-bars?
22:16.32Tullerwell bongos technically still works, and so does infinibar, and trinity :P
22:16.56Tullerand you can technically do variable numbers of bars with dominos
22:16.57DARKGuyBT4 > Infinibar > Bongos > Trinity
22:17.01TekkubI still liked Bongwater...
22:17.15Tullergf suggested jointos
22:17.21nevcairiellol
22:17.24bleetahhaha
22:17.31bleetah'spliffos''
22:17.41nevcairielhmm
22:18.41Tullerbut yeah in order of features it will be something like dominos -> bartender4 -> bongos3 -> trinity -> flexbar2/infinibar or something
22:18.46nevcairielHow much did you have to hook to use the blizzard action bar API anyway?
22:19.05Tekkubhook? you don't really
22:19.10nevcairielreplace
22:19.12nevcairielwhatever :P
22:19.16Tekkubyou just make some secure frames and give em attrs
22:19.18TullerActionButton_UpdateHotkeys = function(abType) ActionButton.UpdateHotkey(this, abType) end
22:19.24DARKGuyhow come Dominos > BT4? :O
22:19.32DARKGuyis it as easy to configure like BT4? :O
22:19.39nevcairielheh you just replace it for all bars eh?
22:19.50Tullerwhy not? I'm reusing all of the buttons :P
22:19.58nevcairielI was at least nice and call the orig function if it wasnt my button :P
22:20.04dylanmDARKGuy: I think he meant to imply that BT4 has more features.
22:20.08nevcairielyeah someone else could be using the template :P
22:20.30DARKGuydylanm, I thought the contrary o,o
22:20.56dylanmDARKGuy: The chain is leading to Infinibar.
22:21.19Tullerthat was basically all of the code I needed
22:21.23DARKGuyAh, I se it now
22:21.25DARKGuy*see
22:21.34dylanmThat was the hint for me :p
22:21.48Tullerand that was really because of the whole, "blizzard decides to update hotkey visibility when bindings update"
22:21.51Tullerthing
22:22.06Tullerbuff highlighting uses hooks
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22:22.32nevcairielyeah hotkeys obviously. i think i need to do UpdateUsable too, to inject my range stuff
22:22.54Tullerright
22:22.56nevcairieland replace the OnUpdate
22:22.59nevcairielbut thats about it
22:23.03TullerI took the lazy way on that and used redrange
22:23.08nevcairielheh
22:23.46TullerI wonder if I can actually adapt the buff highlighting code to be generic enough...
22:24.04Tullerif I hook the onupdate script, yes
22:24.15nevcairielredrange just securehooks UpdateUsable and OnUpdate anyway
22:24.19Tullerbut that might get pretty nasty
22:24.25Tullerand yeah
22:25.24Tulleractually, if I hook action button on load
22:25.29TullerI can do it, I think
22:25.45nevcairielthe showgrid -> attribute change was nice too
22:25.54nevcairielno more evil taintzors
22:26.20Tullertrue
22:27.06nevcairielneed to rewrite my button module to use the template some time
22:27.09nevcairielwhen i have time
22:27.13nevcairielbut sleep time now!
22:29.48Tullerhrm yeah, native support for everybutton that's not blizzard
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22:34.54JoshBorkenevcairiel: night night nevvy
22:37.58JoshBorkecan't anyone write a truly original mod anymore?  *sigh*
22:38.23TekkubUh, how exactly?  Everything's been done
22:38.29JoshBorkeTekkub: rofl
22:38.54JoshBorkei know of at least one idea that would be popular but hasn't been done
22:39.06Tekkuband is possible?
22:39.11JoshBorkeand is possible
22:39.14Tekkubgush
22:39.25JoshBorkeit's just too complicated for my little brain
22:39.40JoshBorkemy mod GuildBook, an in game wiki
22:40.07Tekkubeeew, overcomplicated in-game comm shit FTFL
22:40.19JoshBorkelol
22:40.24JoshBorkeit still hasn't been done
22:40.39JoshBorkewhat about a good in game event manager?
22:40.53Tekkubit has been done, "good" is all relative
22:40.54foxlit"good" doesn't make it new :)
22:41.00Tekkubbesides... *cough* Wrath
22:41.17Tekkubthere's some goodies hidden in the UI code
22:41.25JoshBorkeany comm shit?
22:41.32Tekkubthat WoWInsider hasn't yet reported
22:41.46Tekkubit uses internal comm shit :)
22:41.47ScytheBlade1wowinsider... meh
22:41.55ScytheBlade1UI diffs ftw
22:42.14ScytheBlade1Sadly I have to lurk around "bad" sites to get them =[
22:42.17Tekkubwell, hell it's in the current code so I can hint a bit
22:42.25Tekkubthere are GlobalStrings for months
22:42.30JoshBorke*sigh*  too lazy to read
22:42.38JoshBorkeyou give details
22:42.55ScytheBlade1Tekkub: what exactly are you talking about?
22:42.56Tekkubthose are the non-alpha details... there are some global strings for months
22:43.07JoshBorkeyes, what strings
22:43.13Tekkubalpha details is... there's more glodal strings that relate to them :)
22:43.31foxlitpsst, priests making anyone their champion yet?
22:43.51TekkubCALENDAR_MONTH_APRIL = "April";
22:43.51TekkubCALENDAR_MONTH_AUGUST = "August";
22:43.51TekkubCALENDAR_MONTH_DECEMBER = "December";
22:43.53Tekkub....
22:43.53JoshBorkewhat should i take to 80 first?
22:43.56Tekkubin 2.4.2
22:43.57ScytheBlade1Oh yeah, that
22:44.05JoshBorkemy lvl 64 warlock or my lvl 70 priest with epic mount?
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22:44.25foxlityour 55 deaf knight!
22:44.41JoshBorkei'll wait a month before lvling that
22:44.41Tekkub"What?"
22:44.44Corrodiasyou should... play other games
22:45.15JoshBorkewhy?  i'm getting my wow break now
22:45.16TekkubI will name my DK... FallenAngle
22:45.18Gnarfozhm
22:45.20Tekkub(no typo)
22:45.33Gnarfozdoes the addon kit extractor work for wotlk?>
22:45.38JoshBorkei'll name mine ObtuseAngle
22:45.46Tekkubno, you have to muck about in the mpqs
22:45.59DARKGuywotlk is out?
22:46.01Tekkubhrm... Acute could work, make it a gnome
22:46.03ScytheBlade1no
22:46.07ScytheBlade1But the client is "available"
22:46.27DARKGuyinteresting :p
22:47.18Shirikwtf is this
22:47.24Shirik"You have been chosen to fill out a GM survey"
22:47.35DARKGuyyay
22:47.35bleetahrandom pop
22:47.45Gnarfozhm
22:47.50Gnarfozhttp://rafb.net/p/qQ6pAV95.html ^^
22:47.51Corrodiasyou haven't gotten that before?
22:47.57Corrodiasi've had a few
22:48.00bleetahShirik: just random from the GM system, GMs have no control whether you get it or not
22:48.08ShirikI didn't realize that even existed
22:48.21Gnarfozingame calendar fo' sho'
22:48.39Gnarfozit's good they're doing it for us, all previous solutions sucked. :P
22:48.48DARKGuyhey, GC was awesome
22:49.03Gnarfozno it wasn't
22:50.19bleetahhere's a question for you hardcore folks... why, on win32, does enabling a second monitor crash/hang the client? (or, alternatively, does enabling a second monitor on your win32 crash/hang the game?)
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22:51.38DARKGuyWeird. I have 2 monitors and can enable/disable and drag WoW to the 2nd display (my TV :3) and it doesn't hang... but eh, it's Vista Ultimate SP1 x32
22:51.50DARKGuymaybe you're using ATI o,o?
22:52.01DARKGuyOr try another driver
22:52.08Guillotinebleetah: its failsafe BIAN
22:52.13Tekkubdepends on your setup bleetah
22:52.15bleetahhmm, XP SP3 here... yeah, ATI based lappy (limited driver), but I seem to recall it happened on my nVidia w/s too
22:52.36DARKGuyI've never had it happen on NVIDIA here, not on my 4200 and 7200 at least
22:52.47TekkubI wouldn't try to run dual on a laptop and play WoW, no
22:52.54DARKGuyNot with ATI
22:53.00bleetahnot playing, just AH foo ;) :P
22:53.04DARKGuylol
22:53.09Tekkubnot at all, but then I'm biased to gaming on laptops
22:53.20Tekkubit's not worth the cost for the portability, IMCO
22:53.40wereHamsterCALENDAR_MONTH_APRIL = "April"; -- why don't they use a table? would be friendlier to scripts and lua code
22:53.44Tekkubdump that money into a good desktop
22:53.59Gnarfozthey're using globals
22:54.00Gnarfozand XML
22:54.00DARKGuyAGreed
22:54.01GuillotinewereHamster: they do! Its called the _G table
22:54.02TekkubwereHamster, because global strings have never been tables?
22:54.03Gnarfozwhat does that tell you ^^
22:54.19bleetahTekkub: someone else bought it for me, they weren't gunna pay to replace my existing gaming machine ;)
22:54.47bleetahand I'm cool with free computers :D
22:55.00Tekkub:P  I'm not one for laptops generally
22:55.23Tekkubcan do so much more with a desktop for so much cheaper
22:55.29wereHamsterI mean, if you want to create a dropdown list with all the months, you can't just iterate over a table and fill the dropdown list, you'll have to write 12+ lines of code to just extract the localized month names
22:55.53Tekkubwere, make your own local table with the globals and stop bitching
22:55.55kd3meh, I've got a good gaming/desktop machine... but a cheapo laptop so I've got something with me on the road would be good
22:56.16wereHamsterge, calm down Tekkub, I was just asking
22:56.44Tekkubit's how globalstrings have always been, why you realizing this now? :P
22:56.53bleetahkd3: also helps with dual-boxing ;)
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23:04.28hi11ieis there any way to get/set clipboard contents programmatically?
23:04.50ScytheBlade1Not in WoW, no
23:06.57durcynthe best you can do is highlight text and convince the user to copy it
23:07.20DARKGuyTell the user if it doesn't copy the text, a kitty will die.
23:07.25DARKGuyor a happy orc.
23:07.30hi11iehehe
23:07.52DARKGuyor that there will be more orphan kids in stormwind
23:07.57DARKGuythat'll make it copy the text for sure
23:09.20Tekkub"Teacher says every time a tire iron is returned, an angel gets it's wings"
23:09.27hi11iei just got confused because Cryolysis uses /use to eat/drink.. and i wrote a /tel command that checks to see if you're in a party or not, and then teleports/portals to wheree you told it to. and got a big fat taint error. (cryo uses a macro on the button)
23:09.27Tekkub"Your teacher is full of crap"
23:09.46hi11iei'm trying to salvage what i can of the time i spent. heh
23:10.44Tekkubyou can't cast without use input
23:11.17hi11ieusing input?
23:11.23Tekkubuser
23:12.39hi11ieyea, i know.. that's where i got confused.. i did it the way i -thought- cryo did. but it wasn't the way they did it at all
23:23.28hi11iei made it so it highlights the text, but even with ctrl-ins, shift-ins it's still easier to just click on the cryo button to teleport/portal. pretty much defeats the purpose of the comand
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23:41.49Tullerokay Tekkub, if you made buff highlighting that worked on stock action buttons
23:42.14Tullerwould you call it BuffLight
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23:50.48MikktekFlashyThingy more like it
23:51.04Mikkor tekDeuce
23:52.15TekkubI'd call it FleshLight
23:52.43TekkubMC 900 ft Green Laser Tekkub
23:53.47Tekkubhowever, I don't see the need for buff highlighting so..
23:54.20Tullerwell its just one of those, "it took three lines to make it work for all stock action buttons instead of just dominos"
23:54.22Tullerthings
23:54.42Tullerand i like it on my hunter, but that's about it
23:55.19TekkubI still don't understand the need
23:55.31Tullerbutton == purple, thing on target
23:55.52Tullerdepends on if you want to look at the target frame or not
23:55.58Tulleror have a buff addon
23:56.01Tekkubah, so it's a DoT helper more than anything
23:56.08Tullerright
23:56.25Tekkubyea I have a buffer addon already, though I really need to finish rewriting the bitch
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23:57.07Tekkuband for DoTs, I want a ControlFreak-esque display... but I'd never write such an addon unless I leveled a lock
23:57.23Tekkuband I gotta finish pally and druid before I even consider a lock

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