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| 00:35.31 | NightHawkTheSane | argghhh... "If CBool(spotsRemaining) Then ' we have spots remaining in this program" |
| 00:35.37 | NightHawkTheSane | who can point out the MASSIVE logic flaw here? |
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| 00:36.17 | Thunder_Child | missing a '? |
| 00:37.39 | NightHawkTheSane | i was thinking more along the lines of a negative value in spotsRemaining returns true. >.> |
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| 00:38.45 | Thunder_Child | assuming you can ever get the result to insert a negative |
| 00:39.14 | NightHawkTheSane | well i wouldn't have even known about that line if we hadn't :P |
| 00:39.28 | foxlit | fs |
| 00:39.30 | foxlit | CBool? |
| 00:39.45 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, that was cute, too. |
| 00:40.05 | foxlit | If spotsRemaining is a number, it should've just compared it to 0 |
| 00:40.27 | NightHawkTheSane | it's an int, and the proper solution was yes, to do spotsRemaining > 0 |
| 00:40.43 | NightHawkTheSane | because gasp, we managed to return a negative value for that.. |
| 00:41.21 | Thunder_Child | cant you just format the return to display the - as well? |
| 00:42.30 | NightHawkTheSane | well that number comes from a stored procedure, which returns it as an int, which it turns out, can be negative. :P it SHOULD have been doing a numeric comparison on it, but for some reason was just doing a boolean comparison. |
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| 01:07.39 | MentalPower | random question: anyone here work in the medical industry? I'm looking for an EMR (Electronic Medical Records) product for my sister. |
| 01:07.47 | Thunder_Child | what AV program has an "ignore" button then totaly ignores it |
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| 01:15.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: it ignores the ignore button? hehe. thats killer irony |
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| 01:18.51 | Thunder_Child | anyone know an alternitive to sandboxie that works on vista 64? |
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| 01:32.45 | Thunder_Child | wow...PvE to PvP realm xfer |
| 01:33.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Just for alliance |
| 01:33.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Oceanic alliance |
| 01:33.45 | Thunder_Child | "To address faction imbalance issues on Oceanic PvP realm Thaurissan, we will be offering free character moves for Alliance players only from Oceanic PvE realms Nagrand, AmanThul, and Khazgoroth to this realm." |
| 01:34.14 | Najwa | Thaurissan's big, itchy, pizza-scented *beard*. |
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| 01:38.07 | Tekkub | okey... Kung Fu Panda is the funniest movie I've seen in a long time |
| 01:39.02 | bleetah | Horde 16,111 (95%) Alliance 874 (5%) , not that imba at all haha |
| 01:44.51 | Thunder_Child | eh, Kung fu Panda was decent, hell of a cast lineup though |
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| 01:58.02 | Lunessa | skidoosh |
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| 02:00.32 | alestane | Have fun storming the castle! |
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| 02:04.12 | CroX | Would it at all be possible to draw a circle, displaying melee range and dead zone for hunters, around yourself and your target? |
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| 02:04.45 | alestane | Like on the ground? No. |
| 02:05.13 | CroX | alestane: Yeah, ground was what I was thinking. |
| 02:05.19 | dylanm | There isn't much of a dead zone these days. |
| 02:05.33 | alestane | The user interface can't interact with the 3D contents of the world display in any way. |
| 02:06.56 | CroX | Disappointing. :/ Oh well, it could be achieved anyway. |
| 02:06.57 | alestane | The only thing it can affect is the size, aspect ration and placement of the 'window' onto that world relative to the rest of your UI. |
| 02:07.46 | alestane | The client puts circles around everyone to give you a sense of effective range and hitbox size anyway. |
| 02:09.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone here played with the COMBAT_LOG_EVENT and API based filters? |
| 02:09.24 | kd3 | o_O; [Sad] Q: What to do with 237 tons of cannabis? A: Put it in a ditch and have the RAF bomb it with Harrier jets |
| 02:09.24 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm curious how hard it would be to set a macro that switched my combat log to just report everything involving either a specific GUID or my focus |
| 02:10.04 | alestane | Ship it to California? |
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| 02:10.19 | dylanm | ScytheBlade1: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/CombatLogAddFilter |
| 02:13.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Gonna have to go digging in the flags |
| 02:13.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Thanks |
| 02:15.35 | dylanm | ScytheBlade1: http://www.wowwiki.com/UnitFlag :p |
| 02:16.02 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2968233433&sid=1&pageNo=9#179 |
| 02:16.12 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got "page nine" memorized ;) |
| 02:16.13 | ScytheBlade1 | But thanks |
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| 02:48.13 | bleeter | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7116403243&postId=71157438284&sid=1#5 |
| 02:48.30 | bleeter | haha (from the PvE->PvP target realm forum) |
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| 03:05.33 | Corrodias | what? i thought they said they had absolutely no plans to allow such transfers |
| 03:06.12 | ScytheBlade1 | This is a very specific case |
| 03:06.21 | ScytheBlade1 | It's alliance only to one specific server |
| 03:06.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Where there are commonly under 20 level 70 alliance on at any one time |
| 03:06.39 | Arrowmaster | theyve doen pve to pvp transfers in the past |
| 03:06.47 | Fisker- | Corrodias they're full of shit |
| 03:06.52 | Fisker- | after all, it's blizzard |
| 03:07.05 | Corrodias | i see |
| 03:07.10 | Arrowmaster | they only do it in special cases and never for general transfers |
| 03:07.14 | MentalPower | they've done selective pve -> pvp transfers, just no paid transfers of that kind |
| 03:07.58 | bleeter | it's gunna get abused, tho |
| 03:08.05 | Arrowmaster | no it wont |
| 03:08.06 | Lopeppeppy | They advertise it carefully so everyone knows what they're doing and what they're getting, keep it limited for server balance purposes, etc. Just because they won't let *players* do it willy nilly, doesn't mean they can't do it in a controlled fashion. |
| 03:08.26 | bleeter | folks will take the char conversion, hang the 30 days, then move on |
| 03:08.29 | Corrodias | of course it doesn't mean they -can't- |
| 03:08.35 | Corrodias | they can do whatever they want |
| 03:08.42 | Arrowmaster | unless you can powerlevel a character before the transfers open it cant be abused |
| 03:08.50 | Lopeppeppy | I believe that a longer freeze gets enforced, bleeter, to prevent that. |
| 03:09.06 | Arrowmaster | its oceanic |
| 03:09.13 | Arrowmaster | where else are they going to go |
| 03:09.27 | Arrowmaster | theres like 10 servers |
| 03:10.02 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont think there's any significant difference between oceanic and us servers, other than the "tag"? |
| 03:10.12 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: I see no comment re: longer freeze by bornakk |
| 03:10.32 | Lopeppeppy | Doesn't mean they won't. *gentle shrug* Or that they will. But they certainly *can*, if they choose. |
| 03:10.33 | bleeter | NightHawkTheSane: the network's *meant* to be optimised, also ingame events happen 'earlier' |
| 03:10.44 | bleeter | eg, winterveil spawns on our correct date, not the day after |
| 03:10.49 | NightHawkTheSane | bleeter: er, i meant in terms of transferring among them |
| 03:10.54 | NightHawkTheSane | not like eu/us |
| 03:11.35 | NightHawkTheSane | more appropriately phrased: i dont know of any restriction saying you can't transfer between us and oceanic realms? |
| 03:11.46 | Lopeppeppy | No NightHawkTheSane, I believe that Oceanic realms run on the US game verison, just a time zone difference, basically. |
| 03:12.03 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe they have some EU Oceanic time zone realms, I wouldn't know. |
| 03:12.04 | bleeter | anyways, let's say your PvE in BT, you decide you wanna go PvP, you do the free tx, Alliance barely in Gruul's... you mess around for a little while, then wanna get back to BT or even SWP. Instead of getting ganked by 200 horde every attempt at zone in, tx to US PvP or another Oc PvP |
| 03:12.32 | bleeter | it's already being discussed by folks in the threads and realm forums |
| 03:13.51 | Lopeppeppy | And Bliz knows the potential for abuse. However, to get a viable realm, it sounds like they have decided to risk it. |
| 03:14.39 | bleeter | we'll see... hopefully next step will be Oceanic *account* transfers, not realms. I quit Oceanic realms 'coz of the stability issues. I'm prepared to put up with stability issues to progress the entire faction. |
| 03:14.59 | NightHawkTheSane | it'll be interesting to see how that pans out. seeing how there's a lot working against it |
| 03:15.23 | bleeter | yeah, I can see the realm gettin' shut down by the end of the year... I s'pose this is an experiment for them to some degree |
| 03:15.49 | Arrowmaster | you cant really abuse it if you cant inticapate the transfers being available imho, especially since you dont even know how long they will be open |
| 03:16.22 | bleeter | tx's avail for 'no longer than one week' |
| 03:16.23 | Arrowmaster | now are they opening all transfers or just one faction? |
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| 03:16.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: well, i think the prime case for abuse is like bleeter noted, you're an established chracter on a pve realm, you take a free transfer to the pvp realm, fuck around for a month, and have the freedom to go anywhere after that |
| 03:16.37 | bleeter | just oceanic alliance -> one oceanic realm |
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| 03:16.56 | bleeter | *just oceanic PvE alliance -> one oceanic PvP realm |
| 03:17.07 | Arrowmaster | i thought it was the horde on that realm that was low? |
| 03:17.22 | bleeter | nah, warcraft realms is indicating around 20:1 ratio horde:alliance |
| 03:17.48 | NightHawkTheSane | thats the kind of pvp realm i could tolerate playing on. ;) |
| 03:18.18 | bleeter | apparently horde help the alliance economy by listing stuff on neutral AH... but seeing an alliance toon 'in the wild' is like an ultra rarespawn |
| 03:18.25 | Gnarfoz | btw, free transfers don't start the PCT cooldown |
| 03:18.26 | bleeter | one guy said he went 3 weeks without seeing one |
| 03:18.29 | Gnarfoz | you could transfer right off |
| 03:19.10 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 03:19.12 | Arrowmaster | i wonder how the ganking is on that realm? |
| 03:19.16 | NightHawkTheSane | Gnarfoz: good point. |
| 03:19.33 | Lunessa | At launch, on Illidan, Horde out-numbered Alliance 3:1 - not now, but then. Oy was leveling a pain. |
| 03:19.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: based on the comments i perused, its probably about as bad as on any realm, with the exception that you can't really expect help. |
| 03:19.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: asshole pricks are asshole pricks everywhere, really. |
| 03:23.50 | Fisker- | blizzard is filled with madness |
| 03:24.16 | kd3 | but are they the mad ones or are we if we're paying them $15/month? |
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| 03:24.40 | Fisker- | the spellpower change is just spellpower = spell damage and healing |
| 03:24.46 | Lunessa | new .sig " The scripting interface has no access to the internet, by design. WoW runs inside of a closed box, internets don't get in and internets don't leak out. This is intentional game design, and not likely to change. " |
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| 03:25.01 | Fisker- | so we healers will probably see a 300-400% increase in spell damage |
| 03:25.04 | Fisker- | sounds fun right? |
| 03:25.04 | Arrowmaster | is that a real quote? |
| 03:25.09 | kd3 | that's from a magazine article, isn't it? how much do you think's changed in the month-or-so lead time since then? |
| 03:25.25 | Fisker- | actually it's from the alpha |
| 03:25.35 | Fisker- | which doesn't exist btw |
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| 03:27.07 | bleeter | I suspect that's kalgan throwing the idea out there to see how it floats |
| 03:27.15 | bleeter | hopefully it'll sink like the lead baloon it is |
| 03:27.25 | ScytheBlade1 | I question how that'll work |
| 03:27.40 | Fisker- | Spellpower = spelldamage and healing |
| 03:27.40 | bleeter | i'm a raiding druid, screw respeccing to go out and do some questing for a day or two, for example |
| 03:27.50 | ScytheBlade1 | I know that. I'm questioning the talents |
| 03:27.51 | Fisker- | Healers gain a percentage increase of spellpowr to healing |
| 03:27.58 | Fisker- | and they can gain more through talents |
| 03:28.01 | bleeter | warriors will ask for AP/Def conversion for gear, etc. etc. |
| 03:28.02 | Lunessa | internets don't get in... |
| 03:28.29 | Lopeppeppy | Roaches check in, but they don't check out! |
| 03:28.30 | Lunessa | I should have realized I was talking to someone who would refer to it as internets. :P |
| 03:29.18 | Lunessa | Ok... Time for me to go home. I'll catch you all tomorrow. |
| 03:29.36 | Seerah | would you prefer interwebz? ;) |
| 03:29.46 | Lopeppeppy | Night, Lunessa. And the plural internets was all me! |
| 03:30.11 | Seerah | <3 peppy |
| 03:30.20 | Drundia | idea of one general "spell power" stat was floating for ages really, because among other things as of 2.0 "up to" found in tooltips has nothing to do with real "up to" meaning. |
| 03:31.14 | Seerah | I always hated that "up to" wording |
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| 03:32.19 | Drundia | and that evil ZA healing neck is arguably better for DPS than ZA spell damage neck |
| 03:32.39 | Drundia | thanks to healing adding damage |
| 03:32.42 | Fisker- | Anyways Frostfire is even worse than spellpower |
| 03:32.43 | Fisker- | work tiems |
| 03:33.12 | Drundia | spell auto-choosing school sounds pretty cool too |
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| 03:38.37 | Seerah | yay! |
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| 03:41.07 | Lopeppeppy | Whee, I'm crashing from the earlier sugar high, oh my word. I have to go find some work clothes before I pass out entire. |
| 03:42.44 | bleeter | hah, well, I just told my friend who plays horde on an oceanic pvp about the transfer, for his alliance toon. I didn't even have to mention the thing about possibly moving elsewhere, and he mentioned it to me... |
| 03:42.50 | bleeter | he's not the brightest spark, either |
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| 04:09.12 | Atriace | I haven't thought this out fully yet, but I'm thinking I should build a series of necessary cloned frames against a table, iterating throught that table until I run out of entires and using those entries to create the frame pointers. |
| 04:09.44 | Atriace | But... I could also do this by using if/then statements. Not sure which would be cleaner |
| 04:10.00 | Iriel | I'm not sure I follow. |
| 04:10.31 | dylanm | Atriace: What are you trying to do? Sorry, just got here. |
| 04:10.32 | Atriace | In my case, I building frames for buffs. I'm naming them with a prefix based on a series of units |
| 04:11.14 | Atriace | So, I could just run the code multiple times through if/then statements saying, "when you finish with X's frames, move on to Y's and name them prefixed with Y" |
| 04:11.32 | Atriace | or I could use a table, I think. iterating through the table to create the frames. |
| 04:11.46 | Atriace | Just looking at it from a succinctness of code. |
| 04:12.03 | Drundia | table indexed by unused frames, next(t) to get first unused frame |
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| 04:17.59 | Atriace | By the way, I've been building my tables with nested rows to get column-like data. Is there a way to do multiple columns for a single row entry with Lua? |
| 04:21.39 | Atriace | in other words: t = { [1] = "a" "b" "c", [2] = ... } |
| 04:21.41 | Arrowmaster | other than nesting no |
| 04:23.25 | Arrowmaster | are you having a particual problem with nesting? |
| 04:23.34 | Drundia | why don't you just nest tables? |
| 04:23.56 | Atriace | I'm nesting. I just don't like nesting. It feels messy. |
| 04:24.11 | Atriace | I end up with some rediculously long variable names that way. |
| 04:24.49 | Atriace | like.... table.category.variabletable.itemA |
| 04:26.49 | Atriace | I'm not a BIRD! =) |
| 04:26.56 | Lopeppeppy | I am. |
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| 04:28.06 | Atriace | wait.... wait... I've got it. I could store the val-.... no that wouldn't work... >_< |
| 04:28.31 | Atriace | Just thinking how much I like the way you get a series of values from a function call and can select an individual one. |
| 04:28.44 | Atriace | It'd be nice if tables had a select function. |
| 04:31.46 | Yssaril | Atriace: tables do we call them keys :P |
| 04:32.01 | Drundia | and they also have metatables |
| 04:32.29 | Iriel | Atriace: You know you can do vars = table.category.variabletable; then use vars.itemA vars.itemB vars.itemC, right? |
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| 04:33.17 | Atriace | Iriel, Drundia: yeah I know. |
| 04:33.18 | Iriel | If you're dealing with arrays there's always select(i, unpack(table)) |
| 04:33.30 | Atriace | That I did not know. |
| 04:33.44 | Atriace | Though I'm not sure what it does (must read more PIL) |
| 04:34.06 | Yssaril | Iriel: but wouldnt table[i] be way more efficient than select(i, unpack(table))? |
| 04:34.07 | Iriel | unpack {1,2,3,4} ==> 1,2,3,4 |
| 04:34.16 | Iriel | Yssaril: Yes 8-) |
| 04:34.29 | Atriace | OooOooo :D |
| 04:34.31 | Iriel | Yssaril: though if you wanted say, 10 consecutive entries, i'm not sure |
| 04:35.22 | Iriel | function getTen(T,i) return T[i], T[i+1]. T[i+2]......., T[i+9] end |
| 04:35.24 | Iriel | may be best |
| 04:35.34 | Iriel | someone more bored than I could test 8-) |
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| 04:35.56 | Atriace | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:36.31 | Thunder_Child | but Iriel, you have nothing BUT free time |
| 04:36.31 | Drundia | you'll be most bored person here in a few minutes (hopefully) |
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| 04:47.29 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: Hardly, my warlock needs an epic flying mount |
| 04:47.55 | Atriace | wow... I didn't think the search would come back with any results: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/judgedanny/dead-cupid.jpg |
| 04:48.08 | Atriace | Apparently you can find anything on google. |
| 04:48.17 | Thunder_Child | Iriel, and here i actually thought you were busy with something important |
| 04:49.40 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: You implying my warlock isn't important? |
| 04:49.59 | Drundia | hmm, he's bored of grinding dailies if he still needs epic flying mount |
| 04:50.01 | bleeter | no, that you are unimportant ;) :P |
| 04:50.30 | Thunder_Child | oooo bleeter, nasty....actually i was going to say your epic mount Iriel |
| 04:50.45 | Iriel | Drundia: She's only been L70 for a week, not bored of them /yet/ |
| 04:51.16 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: what can I say, it's one of those 'collapsed server rebuild boredom causing me to take agression out elsewhere' kinda days ;) |
| 04:51.17 | Drundia | but there must be more characters, surely all bored |
| 04:51.44 | Thunder_Child | well i would think you would at least take out your anger on someone who diserves it bleeter |
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| 04:52.23 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: it's been ages since I've directed anything at Iriel, good or bad, would hate him to think I was ignoring him |
| 04:52.46 | Thunder_Child | bleeter: yes, i'm sure it kept him up at night with worry.... |
| 04:53.22 | bleeter | make sense, 'coz I know I keep myself up all night with self abuse |
| 04:53.30 | bleeter | *makes |
| 04:53.35 | bleeter | ~fail bleeter |
| 04:53.36 | purl | bleeter, you Fail! |
| 04:53.45 | bleeter | eye no |
| 04:54.36 | Atriace | woah.... there's a huge chat log of everything said here @ http://purl.rikers.org/%23wowuidev/ |
| 04:55.12 | Thunder_Child | ~logs |
| 04:55.12 | purl | rumour has it, logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
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| 04:55.42 | Atriace | isn't that amaaaaazazing. |
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| 04:56.18 | Atriace | not really, but kinda spooky... |
| 04:56.18 | Corrodias | purl, dance! |
| 04:56.19 | Corrodias | ON COMMAND |
| 04:56.37 | Thunder_Child | ~dance |
| 04:56.44 | Corrodias | sadly, i do not seem to have the superpower to force software to dance |
| 04:56.46 | Thunder_Child | ... |
| 04:56.55 | Corrodias | i must get to work on that |
| 04:57.01 | Thunder_Child | i thought there used to be |
| 04:57.32 | Yssaril | Iriel: using these two methods http://ace.pastey.net/89492 getTenKey is about 3 times faster :P |
| 04:58.08 | Iriel | Yssaril: Your getTenSelect is unnecessarily complex |
| 04:58.16 | Iriel | Yssaril: Just do seelect(alpha, ...) |
| 04:58.24 | Iriel | or if you want exactly 10 |
| 04:58.38 | Iriel | local a1, a2, a3, .... , a10 = select(alpha, ...); return a1, a2, ......, a10 |
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| 04:58.55 | Yssaril | damnit let me try again :P |
| 04:59.23 | Iriel | Also, that's not quite what I was suggesting for getTenKey |
| 04:59.30 | Iriel | you wouldn't create a NEW table from ... |
| 04:59.35 | Iriel | the point was you had a table to start with |
| 04:59.41 | Iriel | so for getTenKey you reference t directly |
| 04:59.53 | Iriel | for getTenSelect you unpack(t) |
| 05:01.46 | Yssaril | alright http://ace.pastey.net/89493 then :) |
| 05:02.13 | Iriel | that's more like it |
| 05:02.19 | Yssaril | getTenSelect is 2.6 times slower |
| 05:02.38 | Iriel | add local unpack = unpack |
| 05:03.47 | Yssaril | same results (within error that is) |
| 05:04.00 | Iriel | Makes sense |
| 05:04.08 | Iriel | function calls are more expensive by far than array indices |
| 05:04.13 | Iriel | or addition |
| 05:05.05 | Yssaril | so if you know what you want pack it into a table and use keys instead of select :) |
| 05:05.29 | Iriel | Well, I suspect if you start witha list, not a table, it is the other way around |
| 05:05.51 | Iriel | You'd end up haemmorhaging memory otherwise creating all manaer of temp tables |
| 05:05.56 | Drundia | i think unpack() isn't fast for big tables |
| 05:10.49 | Atriace | How do you pick the next table entry iteratively when the keys are strings? |
| 05:11.02 | Drundia | in that code as alpha comes closer to end of table it getTenSelect becomes faster |
| 05:11.17 | Drundia | for k,v in pairs(t) do ... end |
| 05:11.26 | Atriace | ah... duh |
| 05:11.28 | Iriel | Atriace: or you use next(table, previousKey) |
| 05:11.28 | Drundia | or for k,v in next,t do ... end |
| 05:13.14 | Atriace | Iriel... |
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| 05:13.34 | Atriace | Does your name come from something? |
| 05:13.49 | Thunder_Child | it comes from him |
| 05:14.01 | Iriel | No, I made it up (sadly other people have also come up with same one, it's hard to be unique with a name so short) for my Diablo II character |
| 05:14.13 | Atriace | lol |
| 05:14.30 | Atriace | How ironic. My screenname is a DII name too. |
| 05:15.16 | Atriace | Although, I've recently spotted it in german texts. Not sure if it means something. |
| 05:15.53 | Drundia | 2 more letters and i'm almost unique... |
| 05:18.15 | Atriace | Apparently Iriel is a lastname. Dates as far back as 1854 South Carolina |
| 05:18.55 | Iriel | that's not very far back, really 8-) |
| 05:19.34 | Atriace | oh wow... hehe |
| 05:19.41 | Atriace | Iriel is from Hebrew actually. |
| 05:19.54 | Atriace | http://www.babynamescountry.com/meanings/Iriel.html |
| 05:21.56 | Iriel | Pity I didn't call my Warlock Iriel |
| 05:22.49 | Drundia | but god isn't your light as warlock |
| 05:23.03 | Atriace | Yeah, it seems oxymoronish |
| 05:23.07 | MentalPower | I think thats the point |
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| 05:23.52 | Atriace | Or maybe he's a healing warlock, sort. |
| 05:24.13 | Drundia | but the question comes: how do you pronounce our Iriel and how do you prononce hebrew Iriel? |
| 05:24.13 | Atriace | You know, the type who carries around a pet-rock in his pocket. |
| 05:26.00 | Thunder_Child | ear-e-el is how i would pronounce it |
| 05:26.34 | Atriace | maybe it's i-r-eel. MmmmmMmm .... eel. |
| 05:27.00 | Iriel | I pronounce it the TC way (though it's a 'shorter' ear sound) |
| 05:33.24 | Thunder_Child | "Today, American parents often give their children brand names, such as Loreal, Chevrolet and Armani. Two boys - one in Michigan, another in Texas were given the name ESPN in honor of the sport TV channel. " *sigh* |
| 05:33.45 | MentalPower | ... |
| 05:33.58 | Cairenn | O.O |
| 05:34.04 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 05:34.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Poor ESPN |
| 05:34.15 | ScytheBlade1 | His life shall be horrific |
| 05:34.20 | Atriace | Not as bad as those 70s children with names like "Moon Lander" |
| 05:34.26 | Cairenn | I hope like hell you got that from The Onion or similar |
| 05:34.39 | Thunder_Child | no Cairenn, from the baby naming site |
| 05:34.44 | Cairenn | ugh |
| 05:34.50 | Thunder_Child | also |
| 05:34.56 | Thunder_Child | "Professor Ewans has been studying the baby names of Americans for 25 years. According to his opinion, one of the main sources of inspiration for parents choosing names for their babies is car brand names. For example, girls are given names like Infiniti, Civic, Kia, Lexus and boys like Chevy, Dodge, Chrysler etc." |
| 05:35.13 | Atriace | lol |
| 05:35.31 | Thunder_Child | Kia is the only one i could see as a persons name |
| 05:35.49 | Dolby | all babies should be named soda! |
| 05:36.10 | Thunder_Child | lovely Dolby, you have one comment a year and you say that.... |
| 05:36.16 | Cairenn | lol |
| 05:36.20 | dylanm | Hah. |
| 05:36.30 | MentalPower | Dolby: silly you, there's no soda in the midwest, only pop :P |
| 05:36.40 | Dolby | soda in wisconsin |
| 05:36.56 | Dolby | no pop in wisconsin |
| 05:37.08 | Thunder_Child | not even dad's? |
| 05:37.12 | Atriace | Pop is what you call your dad. |
| 05:37.12 | Dolby | but thats not where the reference is from |
| 05:37.26 | Dolby | nope my pop is in chicago |
| 05:38.27 | Dolby | was a topic of discussion on Seinfeld |
| 05:38.29 | MentalPower | I'll name my kid Pepsi :P |
| 05:38.32 | MentalPower | (not) |
| 05:38.59 | Atriace | ... so who's Dolby named after? |
| 05:39.20 | Dolby | I leave that up to people to guess |
| 05:39.29 | MentalPower | I don't think its HP |
| 05:39.38 | Atriace | A mystery for all time. |
| 05:41.43 | Dolby | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IlHgbOWj4o |
| 05:41.56 | bleeter | if Dolbyhas nay sense, it'd be for Tom Robertson |
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| 05:42.47 | Dolby | Science! |
| 05:42.55 | Thunder_Child | thats you in the vid isnt it |
| 05:42.56 | bleeter | Hot Sauce! |
| 05:43.18 | Atriace | well I'll be jiggered. I was wrong about your name, Dolby. |
| 05:43.51 | Dolby | thats one theory ppl have on my name |
| 05:44.08 | Seerah | lies, Dolby - it's always pop! |
| 05:44.17 | Dolby | SODA |
| 05:44.24 | Seerah | POP! |
| 05:44.30 | Cairenn | pop |
| 05:44.33 | Seerah | Wisconsin is still midwest |
| 05:44.44 | Seerah | see??? Cairenn even knows, and that's Canada :P |
| 05:44.45 | Dolby | Wisconsin, every one says Soda |
| 05:45.09 | Seerah | one measly great lake does not separate you from pop :P |
| 05:45.11 | Thunder_Child | http://popvssoda.com:2998/ |
| 05:45.16 | Thunder_Child | thats your answer |
| 05:45.16 | Cairenn | (truthfully, they're both right - since the root word was "soda pop" :p ) |
| 05:45.38 | Dolby | http://popvssoda.com:2998/countystats/total-county.html |
| 05:45.39 | Seerah | here in TN, everything is Coke |
| 05:45.42 | Seerah | stupid |
| 05:45.44 | Dolby | I'm in milwaukee |
| 05:46.36 | Cairenn | someone was telling me once that everything was coke - so you'd say "I want a coke, make it a sprite" |
| 05:46.52 | Cairenn | that's just flat out weird :p |
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| 05:46.57 | Dolby | i think the uepers up nort still call it pop, ya know? |
| 05:47.02 | Seerah | I wonder what the "other" is..... |
| 05:47.17 | Atriace | So... who which term has the highest usage? |
| 05:47.22 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, not really, sprite is owned by coke |
| 05:47.54 | Seerah | but it's so not coke |
| 05:47.55 | Thunder_Child | Atriace, http://popvssoda.com:2998/stats/ALL.html |
| 05:47.55 | Seerah | :) |
| 05:48.18 | Dolby | soda wins! |
| 05:48.22 | Dolby | in yo face! |
| 05:48.26 | Atriace | Haha! I say it in the most popular way. |
| 05:48.26 | Thunder_Child | soda beats pop, and coke creams them all |
| 05:49.03 | Atriace | Thunder_Child: it's true, but Coke is seen as Coca Cola (at least where I'm from). |
| 05:49.18 | Seerah | I see Coke as having 46k |
| 05:49.27 | Thunder_Child | i dunno, i dont like coke or pepsi |
| 05:49.33 | Dolby | have a coke and a smile |
| 05:49.51 | Thunder_Child | crap...seerah, your correct |
| 05:49.53 | bleeter | meh, 'sall 'soft drink' here |
| 05:50.02 | bleeter | real drinks are alcoholic to an aussie, you see |
| 05:50.11 | Dolby | carbonated beverage |
| 05:50.22 | Atriace | Is it strange that I don't like beer and prefer juice instead? |
| 05:50.28 | Seerah | oh yeah... I forgot about "softdrink" |
| 05:50.37 | Thunder_Child | no, not at all Atriace |
| 05:50.39 | Seerah | beer is "blech" |
| 05:50.43 | bleeter | Atriace: yes, because you skipped straight over coffee :P |
| 05:50.51 | Seerah | coffee is also "blech" ;) |
| 05:50.53 | Atriace | hehe |
| 05:51.00 | Seerah | hot chocolate == win |
| 05:51.06 | Atriace | hear hear |
| 05:51.14 | Dolby | mmm hot chocolate |
| 05:51.27 | bleeter | cocoa + drop of vanilla + little bit of crushed cinnamon = win |
| 05:51.56 | bleeter | add marshmallow for sexual relief |
| 05:52.09 | Dolby | uhhh |
| 05:52.11 | Thunder_Child | thank you for that meantal image bleeter |
| 05:52.13 | Dolby | what? |
| 05:52.14 | Thunder_Child | i now hate you |
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| 05:52.55 | Seerah | rofl |
| 05:54.15 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: now I'm upset, after years of trying you only now start to hate me? :( |
| 05:54.49 | Seerah | why does that make you upset? |
| 05:54.55 | Thunder_Child | sorry, my bad, "hate you more" |
| 05:55.00 | bleeter | had hoped to achieve hatage earlier |
| 05:55.11 | bleeter | Thah, thanks for the clarification. i can relax now |
| 05:56.05 | Thunder_Child | good... |
| 05:56.12 | Dolby | you must need more marshmallows bleeter |
| 05:56.28 | bleeter | doesn't everyone? |
| 05:59.10 | Thunder_Child | ~lart bleeter |
| 05:59.10 | purl | slaps bleeter around with a large trout |
| 05:59.46 | bleeter | ooh, if you wanna do that again, I got a real good reason for it... |
| 05:59.51 | Thunder_Child | ~lart bleeter |
| 05:59.51 | purl | beats the living hamstercrap out of bleeter |
| 06:00.02 | Atriace | I don't think he needs a reason. |
| 06:00.03 | bleeter | it helps when reinstalling the mail server... to actually ... install .. the mail server software.. yes? |
| 06:00.40 | bleeter | been selecting and watching so many install packages, totally forgot the critical part... /sigh |
| 06:00.44 | MentalPower | bleeter: prolly :P |
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| 06:01.05 | bleeter | MentalPower: what would you care, BigEars? :P |
| 06:01.50 | Dolby | do you really want to read more email though? |
| 06:02.16 | Dolby | I've turned off our mail server and been so much happier |
| 06:02.46 | MentalPower | lol |
| 06:02.59 | bleeter | I wondered why 'while true; do echo 'waaaa'|mail -s "HAY" dolby@wowinterface.com;done' wasn't working.. thx for the heads up |
| 06:02.59 | MentalPower | well, I want *my* email :) |
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| 06:04.30 | bleeter | no you don't |
| 06:04.53 | bleeter | see above psuedo shell loop as to why ;) |
| 06:05.18 | Atriace | programmatic spam |
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| 06:37.39 | Nom- | Wow... Blizz is doing a alliance only server transfer |
| 06:37.41 | Nom- | I'm surprised |
| 06:40.32 | zenzio | US, EU? |
| 06:41.04 | zenzio | I saw that they will allow PvE -> PvP transfer for a short period on an Oceanic realm to help imbalance |
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| 06:45.46 | Nom- | Yeah, they're doing alliance only transfers to my realm |
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| 06:46.00 | Nom- | Which is probably a good thing.. it's like 6:1 ratio of Horde to Alliance |
| 06:46.04 | Nom- | Probably even worst than that |
| 06:46.14 | zenzio | let me ask again then, EU or US?? :) And realm? |
| 06:46.15 | Kajas | What does it mean when FramesXML has an entry for an addon and (null) directly after it? |
| 06:47.03 | Kajas | such as "** Loading table of contents" and then directly under it: "(null)" and "++Loading file" and directly under "(null)" |
| 06:47.20 | Corrodias | Nom- lives on Mars {Citation Needed} |
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| 06:49.28 | zenzio | A:H ratio on my realm is "only" around 4:1. The top 30 raid guilds were 27 alliance, 3 horde, and the top two horde guilds transferred off |
| 06:50.01 | Guillotine | maybe horde just suck |
| 06:50.05 | Corrodias | i hope it was during a free transfer |
| 06:51.00 | zenzio | nope, they both paid to transfer |
| 06:51.10 | Corrodias | if not, the multiple of $25 would be better spent on WoW rehabilitation therapy |
| 06:51.21 | Corrodias | but that's just my opinion |
| 06:51.24 | zenzio | there simply were no horde resources left to tap when they needed people |
| 06:52.06 | bleeter | Nom-: It's estimated somewhere between 15:1 to 20:1 H:A on Thau |
| 06:52.40 | zenzio | O_O |
| 06:52.52 | Atriace | What drives people to become Horde, I wonder. |
| 06:52.56 | bleeter | warcraftrealms says something like 17,00 horde, 850 alliance |
| 06:53.04 | bleeter | 17,000 |
| 06:53.20 | Atriace | They are the bad guys in lore, after all. |
| 06:53.27 | bleeter | meh they're all bad |
| 06:53.34 | Atriace | pessimist |
| 06:53.41 | zenzio | I prefer horde. My first char was horde; then when I rerolled on an EU realm I went alliance for a change, but somehow I just never liked them as much |
| 06:53.43 | Kajas | anyone know what causes (null) to show in the FramesXML file? |
| 06:53.44 | Corrodias | the orcs used to be bad guys, but that was like 2 games ago, dude |
| 06:53.57 | Kajas | or where I could look to find out |
| 06:54.10 | bleeter | corruption of power is underlying theme across all races and factions |
| 06:54.38 | Atriace | Corruption is a hard find in the Draenei |
| 06:54.47 | Corrodias | what i don't understand is what possesses anyone to play a human. with all the options, they choose a nordic runway model |
| 06:55.04 | Corrodias | -please-. how boring. |
| 06:55.18 | Kajas | I finally rolled one purely for the bonus rep |
| 06:55.25 | Atriace | Kajas, you're speaking about the log file, right? |
| 06:55.45 | Corrodias | actually, i'm joking. i'm just opposing Atriace's earlier point. |
| 06:55.55 | Kajas | Atriace: Yes. FramesXML.lua has the toc and xml of my addon listed, and right under it, it reads "(null)" |
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| 06:56.15 | zenzio | human racials suck. The rep isn't worth it in most cases |
| 06:56.27 | bleeter | Atriace: I've only played one Draenei to 20, too busy 'not' playing that toon and checking out the zone to pay attention to lore and stuff, yet |
| 06:56.52 | Corrodias | i'm glad i don't have to CARE about this stuff any more, at least |
| 06:56.56 | Atriace | Aw, pity. The earlier Warcrafts had a lot of lore if that interests you. |
| 06:57.29 | Nom- | bleeter: I go off the data from wow censis, which said about 4:1 before the new oceanic realm, and was over 6:1 last i checked |
| 06:57.29 | bleeter | only got my earlier Warcraft CD's back off a friend last week, he's had them for.. 5 years or more haha |
| 06:57.31 | Atriace | But yeah, I wouldn't play a human either. I had a friend who lorded his rep racial over me... hehe |
| 06:57.44 | Atriace | bleeter: ... wow |
| 06:57.49 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, it's only sad if your friend didnt finish |
| 06:58.38 | bleeter | he got married, had kids, moved house three or four times, lost the disks a couple of times, etc. I was in no real hurry to get them back. bit hard to 'disappear' in Tasmania. |
| 06:58.52 | Corrodias | unless the devils get you |
| 06:58.55 | Atriace | Kajas: there's no file called FramesXML.lua, one that I know of. |
| 06:59.01 | Atriace | none* |
| 06:59.06 | Kajas | *FrameXML |
| 06:59.13 | Corrodias | *pudding |
| 06:59.14 | Atriace | .log? |
| 06:59.15 | Kajas | sry.. typo's getting the best of me |
| 06:59.17 | zenzio | it's funny how when you're low level, you like the insane prices of items (80g from copper ore at level 20 is nice), but when you reach the high levels you start to hate your realm's economy |
| 06:59.17 | Kajas | yes |
| 07:00.00 | Atriace | Kajas: I take it your mod isn't loading then? |
| 07:00.12 | Corrodias | i finally finished my second playthrough of Chrono Cross, at least. woot! now i have lots of reading of plot analyses. |
| 07:00.13 | Atriace | Or is the null entry literally under it... as in the next line? |
| 07:00.15 | Kajas | Nope :( |
| 07:00.23 | Kajas | next line, yep |
| 07:00.35 | Kajas | I can pastey those 4 lines if you want |
| 07:00.40 | Atriace | um... sure |
| 07:00.54 | Kajas | ok |
| 07:02.09 | Kajas | Pastey: http://www.pastey.net/89499 |
| 07:03.17 | Kajas | okay.. so.. the addon works, but the slash command doesn't.. lol.. typed '/run Lotto_Main:Show()' and it showed up and worked fine.. for what little has been put into it |
| 07:03.43 | Atriace | ah |
| 07:03.46 | Kajas | just not sure what the '(null)' is all about in the FrameXML.log file.. it's in there a few times actually |
| 07:04.55 | Kajas | Cartographer's toc file for Cartographer_Stats and Cartographer_Import both have '(null)' directly after the "**Loading" line |
| 07:04.55 | Atriace | My guess is you're calling on a variable with nil value. |
| 07:05.27 | bleeter | Kajas: just a heads up, if that's a gambling addon of any type (I'm thinking 'coz of the word 'Lotto'), be very careful how you use it. Gambling is banned in WoW. |
| 07:05.57 | Kajas | actually.. it's a spoof for me to learn-by-messing-up WoW API |
| 07:06.04 | bleeter | cool :) |
| 07:06.23 | Atriace | so... the "get lucky" with programming methodology, eh? :) |
| 07:06.25 | bleeter | just wanted to let you know, fore-warned is fore-armed etc., hope you didn't take offence :) |
| 07:07.01 | Kajas | well.. not entirely Atriace.. I'm very fluent in C#, and I learn best by doing it and seeing how/why things do what they do.. I can read a book until the pages rot and still not know what it's talking about until I put it to work |
| 07:07.18 | Kajas | nope, not at all bleeter, appreciate the heads-up though |
| 07:08.02 | Kajas | such is the case for the uneducated, self-taught programmer, lol |
| 07:08.47 | bleeter | fyi, there are ways to award prized ingame for achievement that don't involve gambling, though, but it can be a bit of a tightrope to walk. but it basically the reward shouldn't be based on chance. |
| 07:09.03 | Kajas | Atriace: If it'll help I can pastey the toc/xml refrenced in the .log file... but I don't see how the .toc would create a (null) remark... all the files exist |
| 07:09.10 | bleeter | eg, placing bets on who can run the fastest nude from Northshire to BB, not on. Giving gold to the winner of the race, is ok. |
| 07:09.27 | bleeter | can't charge entry fees, either, tho.. bah, some other silly rules too |
| 07:09.42 | Atriace | seriously? Blizzard made rules about that? |
| 07:10.11 | bleeter | yeah, there used to be lots of casinos, got outta control with complaints of scams, as well as spam in /trade. so they stopped it (so the story goes, didn't see it myself) |
| 07:10.12 | Atriace | Kajas: it'd be worth a read. the TOC file alone should hilite the reason. |
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| 07:10.59 | Atriace | It reminded me of that in-game poker mod someone made. |
| 07:11.57 | zenzio | the talk about lotto/gambling reminded me of this: http://www.gucomics.com/comic/?cdate=20050221 |
| 07:12.13 | bleeter | mind you, having said the above, there does seem to be a gaping hole in current policies that you can drive several jupiter sized planets through that bypasses those rules... I shan't elaborate 'coz I'm still waiting clarification back on it... but I'm still boggling. |
| 07:13.01 | Kajas | Atriace: .toc -> http://www.pastey.net/89500 |
| 07:13.08 | Kajas | Let me know if you want to see any of those files listed |
| 07:13.36 | Atriace | Well... I'm sure any noble-minded individual can catch Blizzard's drift by an anti-gambling rule. Obviously not to the extent of that comic. |
| 07:14.54 | Atriace | I don't see anything wrong with your code. Again, might it be a bad file encoding? |
| 07:15.04 | Atriace | You are using UTF-8 right? |
| 07:17.26 | Kajas | yeah.. written in notepad |
| 07:17.41 | Kajas | not that the software used has a major effect on the end file, lol |
| 07:18.00 | Atriace | :) |
| 07:18.57 | Kajas | the XML file that was refrenced in that error is at http://www.pastey.net/89501 |
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| 07:21.45 | Atriace | ah. |
| 07:21.57 | Atriace | give me a second... |
| 07:22.35 | Atriace | Alright, you said you weren't getting your slash command to work, right? |
| 07:23.56 | Atriace | You have a number of files loaded in your toc. Lotto.xml simply happens to be in the middle of the list. After referencing some online logs, a (null) report seems to indicate it couldn't find an object (either in-game or file). I'd say that your other Lua files are suspect. |
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| 07:24.34 | Atriace | In other words, you might have mispelled 2 filesnames or some such thing. The error is in the files from the load order. |
| 07:26.54 | Atriace | e.g., embeds.xml --> loaded |
| 07:26.54 | Atriace | Lotto_Events.lua --> (null) |
| 07:26.54 | Atriace | Lotto.lua --> loaded |
| 07:26.54 | Atriace | Lotto.xml --> loaded |
| 07:26.54 | Atriace | Lotto_Setup.xml --> (null) |
| 07:26.54 | Atriace | Lotto_Setup.lua --> loaded |
| 07:26.56 | Atriace | etc... |
| 07:27.42 | Kajas | they were all working until I put in the embeds.xml file.. so going to take that out and try again |
| 07:27.51 | Atriace | If this is the reason, just put a message("hey") in each of the files to verify their registration. |
| 07:28.08 | Atriace | I hope you find it. :) |
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| 08:01.05 | Atriace | why am I awake? |
| 08:01.16 | Atriace | I should've been in bed 4 hours ago. |
| 08:01.30 | Atriace | Goodnight. :) |
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| 08:07.19 | Hapnintwo | Good hangover morning :) |
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| 08:18.20 | Arrowmaster | Kajas: i think the toc format is picky about extra spaces |
| 08:18.53 | Arrowmaster | as in actual spaces, newlines shouldnt effect anything |
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| 08:59.57 | Guillotine | hahaha, http://www.zoitz.com/ |
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| 10:28.17 | bleeter | lol.. reports from the PvE->PvP transfer 'WoW, everyone's so nice.. even the Horde apologise to me before I get 10 on 1 ganked' |
| 10:37.48 | Kalroth | haha |
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| 10:50.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | <bleeter> lol.. reports from the PvE->PvP transfer 'WoW, everyone's so nice.. even the Horde apologise to me before I get 10 on 1 ganked' |
| 10:50.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | wait what |
| 10:56.27 | zenzio | "what" what? |
| 10:59.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | in the butt |
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| 11:18.14 | zenzio | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/06/12/funny-pictures-i-haz-a-happee/ |
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| 11:41.03 | cncfanatics | yo all |
| 11:46.24 | foxlit | What's the story with the MacroUI addon? |
| 11:46.49 | foxlit | In particular, how and when (where?) is it loaded. |
| 11:50.00 | Legorol | probably when you type /macro |
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| 12:22.48 | Snago | foxlit: It's loaded on demand. (when you type /macro, /m or open it through the menu) |
| 12:24.17 | Snago | It's sends two ADDON_LOADED events where the first argument is "Blizzard_MacroUI". It's only properly loaded after the second |
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| 12:29.59 | cncfanatics | first one is before it loads & second one is after it loads if I'm not mistaking Snago ? |
| 12:43.09 | cncfanatics | why does coding on windows piss me off so much ? :( |
| 12:44.15 | zenzio | no idea, I like it |
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| 12:51.47 | Snago | cncfanatics: yeah, probably.. normal addons only fire one ADDON_LOADED event though |
| 12:52.34 | cncfanatics | weird, why does it get a special treatment ? |
| 12:52.53 | Snago | my guess is that one event fires for the stub addons in the normal AddOns dir.. then another when the real one loads |
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| 13:13.09 | foxlit | "This build of PressPieTest expects to run against WoW interface version 30200, and was created at 2008-01-12 11:45 PM UTC." |
| 13:13.18 | foxlit | Iriel is in possession of a time machine. |
| 13:18.44 | cladhaire | foxlit: ? |
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| 13:21.21 | foxlit | interface version vs date |
| 13:21.45 | cladhaire | i caugth what you were saying, but where did you see this? |
| 13:21.57 | cladhaire | i'm so out of touch i like to keep up when iriel does something :P |
| 13:23.04 | foxlit | PressPieTest readme |
| 13:23.11 | cladhaire | what is presspietest? |
| 13:23.15 | cladhaire | that's what i'm asking nublet :p |
| 13:23.25 | foxlit | google! http://www.vigilance-committee.org/wow/downloads/PressPieTest-0.2-20300.zip |
| 13:23.29 | cladhaire | lol k |
| 13:23.52 | foxlit | appears to be fixed by now :) |
| 13:24.03 | foxlit | perhaps my local copy was odd |
| 13:24.17 | cladhaire | does an absurdly future toc show out of date? |
| 13:24.32 | foxlit | Mismatches are binary, I think |
| 13:24.42 | foxlit | Not sure if it would trigger Incompatible |
| 13:24.45 | cladhaire | well, pre 20000 are incompat |
| 13:24.48 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 13:24.48 | cladhaire | dunno |
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| 13:27.45 | wereHamster | what's this? if (offset >= _ _pa(high_memory) || (filp->f_flags & O_SYNC)) |
| 13:27.55 | wereHamster | the semicolon in there.. |
| 13:28.10 | cladhaire | i've never seen that! |
| 13:28.12 | cladhaire | dunno |
| 13:28.31 | wereHamster | it's valid C IIRC, but I have no idea what it does |
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| 14:22.19 | cncfanatics | anyone has something to do for a bored person ? |
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| 14:28.18 | Hapnintwo | cncfan: self blowjob? |
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| 14:34.47 | Seerah | cnc: is fb3 done yet? ;) |
| 14:36.28 | cncfanatics | Seerah: I'm currently in exams :p |
| 14:36.32 | Seerah | oh yeah |
| 14:36.37 | Seerah | >< |
| 14:36.41 | cncfanatics | they end in 1.5 weeks |
| 14:36.46 | Seerah | why so long? |
| 14:37.23 | cncfanatics | ask my school :p |
| 14:37.32 | Seerah | fair enough :P |
| 14:37.39 | cncfanatics | anyway, its weekend, so I'll probably work a bit on it |
| 14:38.20 | Seerah | you don't have to - you just baited me with it and now I keep finding myself wanting to fiddle with it ;) |
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| 14:41.00 | cncfanatics | well, its ready, but I doubt you can be bothered figuring out all functions |
| 14:44.54 | Seerah | lol |
| 14:45.01 | cncfanatics | if you can, go on :p |
| 14:45.05 | cncfanatics | its fully functional |
| 14:45.26 | Seerah | yeah, I know - you remember my reservations from before though ;) |
| 14:45.32 | Seerah | <- == n00b |
| 14:46.08 | Seerah | I could try it anyway if I'm bored |
| 14:46.22 | cncfanatics | I should put autodoc tags in there tbh |
| 14:46.25 | cncfanatics | would make things so much easyer |
| 14:46.31 | Seerah | there ya go |
| 14:47.25 | cncfanatics | are there any lua autodocs except the one for the wowace wiki ? |
| 14:47.34 | cncfanatics | or heck, does it even matter ? |
| 14:47.38 | Seerah | dunno |
| 14:47.53 | dylanm | cncfanatics: http://luadoc.luaforge.net/manual.html? |
| 14:48.03 | cncfanatics | <3 |
| 14:48.32 | cncfanatics | I'll do that first |
| 14:48.35 | cncfanatics | should make the life of everyone easyer |
| 14:48.53 | nevcairiel | looks like javadoc syntax |
| 14:51.53 | cncfanatics | mmm, can't find lua in cygwin |
| 14:51.55 | cncfanatics | am I blind ? |
| 14:53.35 | Josh_Borke | clad|away: gief gold!@ |
| 14:55.01 | Shirik | :( |
| 14:55.06 | Shirik | spent 30 minutes debugging code |
| 14:55.09 | Shirik | I found the problem |
| 14:55.12 | Shirik | dead batteries |
| 14:55.17 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 14:55.25 | Seerah | rofl |
| 14:55.30 | cncfanatics | haha |
| 14:55.43 | Seerah | sounds like last week or so when you forgot to turn it on |
| 14:55.44 | AckisWork | dead batteries? |
| 14:56.02 | Shirik | yes, my code is doing vision processing and the device it's trying to find was dead :P |
| 14:56.08 | AckisWork | lol |
| 14:56.37 | cncfanatics | god damnit, lua ain't in cygwin :'( |
| 14:57.30 | Shirik | portage has it! |
| 14:57.59 | cncfanatics | ~portage |
| 14:58.00 | purl | rumour has it, portage is the gentoo's bsd style ports system written in python, *way* more reliable than apt |
| 14:58.10 | cncfanatics | thought so |
| 14:58.12 | cncfanatics | ~fail portage |
| 14:58.13 | purl | portage: FAIL! |
| 14:58.14 | cncfanatics | ~hail apt |
| 14:58.15 | purl | ACTION bows down to apt and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 14:58.17 | cncfanatics | ~fail Shirik |
| 14:58.18 | purl | Shirik: FAIL! |
| 14:58.36 | Shirik | apt sucks |
| 14:58.43 | cncfanatics | <3 apt |
| 14:58.47 | cncfanatics | it has super cow powers |
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| 14:59.01 | Shirik | well that's what it is |
| 14:59.09 | Shirik | a big cow. Huge, bloated, and sits around doing nothing all day |
| 14:59.21 | cncfanatics | haha |
| 14:59.27 | cncfanatics | thats not totaly untrue I admit |
| 14:59.46 | cncfanatics | it does its stuff well though |
| 15:00.29 | Shirik | portage is nice because you get a package customized to you |
| 15:00.43 | cncfanatics | depends if you have the time to do it |
| 15:00.43 | Shirik | compiled by you, configured by you, for you |
| 15:00.47 | Josh_Borke | s/customized to you/that can't be used anywhere else/ |
| 15:00.54 | cncfanatics | though, when I buy my laptop, I might try gentoo :p |
| 15:05.26 | Seerah | for future reference, cnc, it's ~failrik ;) |
| 15:05.57 | cncfanatics | roger |
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| 15:09.54 | cncfanatics | damn, I don't even manage to install luadoc in cygwin :s |
| 15:14.45 | Fisker- | end yourself |
| 15:24.18 | Nom- | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEA9U4lJhSs |
| 15:26.34 | Seerah | ~lart Fisker- |
| 15:26.34 | purl | explains, ever so gently, that if Fisker- doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help |
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| 15:35.37 | foxlit | Weight: 0.005 kg |
| 15:35.55 | foxlit | WoW, a 5 gram package! |
| 15:36.06 | foxlit | s/oW/ow/ |
| 15:36.42 | Nom- | That's a pretty small package. |
| 15:37.08 | Nom- | Birth defect ? |
| 15:39.11 | cncfanatics | thanks Seerah :D |
| 15:39.17 | cncfanatics | ~whalecrit Fisker- |
| 15:39.18 | purl | ACTION crits Fisker- with a mathematically skilled whale named Isaac for #NaN. Fisker- dies |
| 15:39.30 | Seerah | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:46.33 | Fisker- | :( |
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| 15:50.40 | Seerah | you tried to destroy me :( |
| 15:51.14 | Seerah | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:51.24 | AckisWork | :D |
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| 16:02.40 | Elkano | Seerah, no potw this week? |
| 16:02.52 | Seerah | I was at my brother's wedding |
| 16:02.56 | Elkano | oh ^^ |
| 16:03.40 | Seerah | the next one will encompass both weeks :) |
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| 16:46.44 | cncfanatics | Shirik: what linux distro would you recommend to install on the laptop I'm going to buy shortly :p |
| 16:48.38 | Lukian | debian, or ubuntu if you are a newbie to linux :) |
| 16:48.46 | cncfanatics | I'm not |
| 16:48.50 | cncfanatics | been using debian for ages |
| 16:48.56 | Lukian | keep using it then :D |
| 16:49.00 | Lukian | it's fantastic ^_^ |
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| 17:01.17 | cncfanatics | fucking eclipse |
| 17:01.23 | cncfanatics | why does it build workspace every time I save a fucking file |
| 17:01.56 | nevcairiel | to directly show you syntax errors |
| 17:02.59 | cncfanatics | well, it takes about 15 sec to do that |
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| 17:03.01 | cncfanatics | pretty anoying |
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| 17:07.23 | cncfanatics | yay, with more files open its now 30 sec every time I modify something |
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| 17:34.08 | Zurik | have an armory query question. |
| 17:34.28 | Zurik | if i query the armory multiple times i can get banned right? |
| 17:34.37 | Zurik | but what if i'm not querying the same url? |
| 17:34.45 | Zurik | do those all count on the same transaction? |
| 17:35.39 | Atriace | If it's owned by Blizzard, it's probably all pointing to the same server, regardless of URL. Your IP would have to be logged and you would be banned (if that's what they do). |
| 17:36.21 | Zurik | so if i query character-sheet.xml , team-info.xml,guild-info.xml and search.xml it's all on going to be logged under the same ip so it would still count for # of requests at the same time then? |
| 17:36.35 | Kaso | Wait blizzard wont ban you for overy querying it |
| 17:36.49 | Atriace | Kaso: I was wondering the about that. |
| 17:36.59 | Kaso | ive partiucally downloaded the entire armory item db |
| 17:37.03 | Zurik | yeah they do.. they put that in.. you get banned if x amount of queries in x amount of time. |
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| 17:37.10 | Zurik | it's temporary.. but you do get banned. |
| 17:37.23 | Atriace | Sounds like flood control more than "banning" |
| 17:37.34 | Zurik | right.. |
| 17:37.43 | Kaso | That must be a recent thing, back when it came out i downloaded 10k items in a single night with wget |
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| 17:37.47 | Zurik | do you know how many queries per second you can do? |
| 17:37.56 | ANTRat | i know item-tooltip.xml doesnt count towards getting blocked |
| 17:38.09 | Zurik | or per 30secs or what the interval is before it's counted as a DOS attack? |
| 17:39.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Zurik: I pulled down a complete copy of the item database (http://files.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/wow-items.tar.bz2) overnight. I broke the download up into 5 parts and put each part on a 0.5 second sleep timer in between requests. |
| 17:39.18 | ScytheBlade1 | No issues with being banned. |
| 17:39.56 | Atriace | Of course, ScytheBlade is ScytheBlade, so your mileage may vary. |
| 17:40.44 | ScytheBlade1 | That said, I highly doubt that if you fire off request after request with no delay inbetween, you'll be banned. I was firing off 2.5/sec and was fine, and you're looking at more than that just due to server response time and latency |
| 17:40.49 | Zurik | wow.. that's pretty dang good. |
| 17:40.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Atriace: yeah, I'm just *that* awesome |
| 17:40.54 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 17:41.04 | Zurik | ok, i'm going to up the amount of requests. |
| 17:41.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Also worth mentioning |
| 17:41.36 | ScytheBlade1 | The items are a lot more static than the character information |
| 17:41.50 | ScytheBlade1 | That may be handled in an entirely different manner |
| 17:42.00 | Zurik | i was doing like 24 queries a min. |
| 17:42.21 | cncfanatics | lol |
| 17:42.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Probably the only people who could give you a really good idea of the limit are the wowjutsu and the be.imba people |
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| 17:45.08 | Zurik | yeah, i'm just going to push the limit until i get banned.. then i'll know i gotta lower it .. lol |
| 17:45.23 | Zurik | it's only temporary anyways.. so no harm |
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| 17:47.30 | Drundia | they can suspend your wow account for that too (according to tos) |
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| 17:48.36 | Atriace | Yeeeeeaaah. Riiiigght. Zurik, they suspend your account based on your IP, did you know that? :) |
| 17:49.04 | Zurik | eww.. maybe i won't push that hard lol :D |
| 17:50.21 | foxlit | There's a ToS? |
| 17:50.47 | foxlit | Drundia: they can suspend your wow account for that too (according to tos) |
| 17:50.49 | foxlit | [citation needed] |
| 17:50.53 | ScytheBlade1 | That's also a good point. My item database copy came from a server sitting on a gigabit link to the internet, from an IP not related to my WoW account ;) |
| 17:51.06 | foxlit | Question: |
| 17:51.13 | foxlit | aren't you better off mining it directly from wow? |
| 17:51.39 | foxlit | You'd imagine latency would be better |
| 17:51.52 | Atriace | Probably not if he's looking for up-to-date info on his guildies and their gear for his guild website. |
| 17:51.53 | ScytheBlade1 | The items? Usually. But I was bored and it was 3:00 AM, plus I didn't want to have to convert from 93847 DBC tables into XML |
| 17:52.03 | ScytheBlade1 | The character data? Eh it depends |
| 17:52.29 | Zurik | i think character data is a lot harder to mine from wow than the armory. |
| 17:52.46 | Atriace | Considering the inspect range limitation too. |
| 17:52.50 | Zurik | since i'm gathering stats you just can't get from ingame unless others have the same addon. |
| 17:52.55 | Zurik | yeah |
| 17:53.10 | Drundia | wow tos has something against website mining |
| 17:53.13 | Zurik | that would take forever if i had to run around wow gathering haha |
| 17:53.27 | Zurik | yeah, but it's leinient. |
| 17:53.38 | foxlit | Drundia: is this "I heard someone who has a friend who has a friend who has heard something..." level of certainty? |
| 17:53.45 | Drundia | "Use bots or other automated techniques to collect information from World of Warcraft or any forum or website owned or administered by Blizzard Entertainment;" |
| 17:53.54 | foxlit | For what it's worth, there isn't a wow ToS |
| 17:53.59 | kd3 | but they also know people are doing it because one of the armory change notes said 'data miners, watch out! we're changing the data format' |
| 17:54.13 | nevcairiel | of course they know it |
| 17:54.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Indeed |
| 17:54.25 | nevcairiel | would be kinda naive if they didnt |
| 17:54.29 | cncfanatics | whats the link to that nice WoW API reference again ? (not wowwiki) |
| 17:54.36 | nevcairiel | ~wowprogramming |
| 17:54.37 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons (http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob) a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 17:54.37 | ScytheBlade1 | wowprogramming.com |
| 17:54.50 | cncfanatics | <3 |
| 17:54.53 | Shirik | cncfanatics: gentoo |
| 17:54.56 | kd3 | "As a result, third-party sites that mine Armory data may need to make adjustments to account for the new file configurations." |
| 17:55.16 | Lunessa | ... station. |
| 17:55.29 | Zurik | well for me this is a one time deal.. once i have it.. it's all i need. |
| 17:55.30 | Shirik | and if you go with gentoo, use a stage 1 tarball since you're doing it on a laptop |
| 17:55.49 | Shirik | what? |
| 17:56.01 | ScytheBlade1 | stage 1 :P |
| 17:56.05 | Shirik | why not? |
| 17:56.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Waste of time, almost entirely |
| 17:56.16 | Shirik | if it's a laptop, you want to be sure it's configured right for his system |
| 17:56.41 | Shirik | custom compile ftw |
| 17:56.52 | ScytheBlade1 | You'll wind up rebuilding every piece of software usually within a month or less, regardless of the stage you use |
| 17:57.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Might as well just drop the stuff they built for you, set the options, and forget about it |
| 17:57.20 | nevcairiel | its recommended to use stage3 and just do a full recompile if you need to change the compile flags |
| 17:57.36 | Shirik | what's the point of using stage 3 and doing a full recompile.... |
| 17:57.54 | nevcairiel | read their docs |
| 17:57.57 | nevcairiel | its different :P |
| 17:58.03 | Shirik | who reads docs these days |
| 17:58.13 | nevcairiel | you obviously dont, and for that you |
| 17:58.14 | Atriace | Women? |
| 17:58.19 | cncfanatics | enlighten me plx :p never used anything except redhat & debian |
| 17:58.20 | nevcairiel | fail! |
| 17:58.42 | Shirik | cncfanatics: stage 1 basically amounts to you compiling the kernel and everything; stage 3.... doesn't |
| 17:58.58 | ScytheBlade1 | cncfanatics: gentoo is a source based distro. Instead of downloading an RPM, you download a .tar.gz (or whatever) and the build system compiles it for you |
| 17:59.00 | nevcairiel | kernel is in stage3 too |
| 17:59.07 | nevcairiel | only thing in stage1 you get is glibc and gcc |
| 17:59.10 | Shirik | I thought it was already built in stage3 |
| 17:59.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: stage3 is userland only |
| 17:59.22 | nevcairiel | stage1 is gcc and glibc |
| 17:59.27 | nevcairiel | stage2 is coreutils etc |
| 17:59.36 | nevcairiel | stage3 is kernel/cron etc |
| 17:59.42 | ScytheBlade1 | What? |
| 18:00.00 | nevcairiel | gentoo does not provide pre-built kernels |
| 18:00.05 | cncfanatics | so basicly, stage1 gentoo gives you gcc, glibc and a way to connect to the internet to download packages, downloads source and gets compiling optimized for your system |
| 18:00.13 | Shirik | yup |
| 18:00.17 | Shirik | well |
| 18:00.25 | Shirik | the internet |
| 18:00.27 | Shirik | not so much iirc |
| 18:00.35 | nevcairiel | you run of a live cd |
| 18:00.38 | Shirik | ya |
| 18:00.39 | nevcairiel | that has internet access |
| 18:00.41 | nevcairiel | the system doesnt |
| 18:00.50 | nevcairiel | however, its like the first thing you setup =P |
| 18:00.59 | nevcairiel | emerge needs internetz! |
| 18:01.03 | Shirik | yes yes |
| 18:01.10 | Shirik | once you get portage running, you're home free |
| 18:01.27 | ScytheBlade1 | (portage = the build system) |
| 18:01.41 | Lunessa | Internets don't get in, and internets don't leak out. |
| 18:02.49 | cncfanatics | ah well, still two weeks before I buy my laptop |
| 18:03.29 | Shirik | stage1 is more fun |
| 18:04.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Wow, we just got a mage app who put 49 points into arcane, then geared out in +fire damage gear casts fire. |
| 18:04.25 | cncfanatics | ScytheBlade1: is your guild past the first karazhan boss ? |
| 18:05.01 | ScytheBlade1 | cncfanatics: we're 4/5 and 5/9... would be 7/9 if we didn't spend two weeks farming hearts of darkness (read: wiping on trash due to crappy attendance) |
| 18:05.23 | nevcairiel | If you never used gentoo before, i wouldnt recommend it, if you expect your system to work within two weeks :p |
| 18:05.34 | Lunessa | ... this rocks: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/ |
| 18:05.51 | Dashkal | gentoo... Does it still choke on itself and die when you change use flags and try to recompile world? |
| 18:05.59 | nevcairiel | works fine for me |
| 18:06.13 | cncfanatics | I'll give it a try :p |
| 18:06.25 | cncfanatics | just for fizzles, nothing to lose except time anyway |
| 18:06.40 | nevcairiel | gentoo is alot DIY work |
| 18:06.43 | nevcairiel | config wise |
| 18:06.44 | Dashkal | I gave up on the thing when for the third time I got into a "cannot recompile" pit |
| 18:06.50 | Fisker- | just like your mother |
| 18:06.50 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 18:07.04 | Shirik | gentoo is win |
| 18:07.17 | Shirik | but yeah, if nevcairiel's right (and probably is) about stage 3, then go with the stage 3 tarball |
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| 18:07.41 | nevcairiel | stage1 is really nothign to start setting up gentoo with |
| 18:07.51 | nevcairiel | you can do it if you have experience using gentoo |
| 18:07.55 | nevcairiel | and want it for the kicks :p |
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| 18:08.39 | nevcairiel | anyway, anyone seen cloverfield? is it any good? |
| 18:09.01 | Dashkal | nevcairiel: I want my two hours back |
| 18:09.08 | nevcairiel | that bad? |
| 18:09.15 | Dashkal | I disliked the style |
| 18:09.21 | Dashkal | It would have made a better action movie |
| 18:09.51 | Dashkal | The monster was cool, the special effects pretty damn cool, the point of view sucked (blair witch style some guy with a camera) |
| 18:10.06 | nevcairiel | hm guess i'll still give it a try |
| 18:10.19 | Dashkal | You may like it. Lots of people did :p |
| 18:13.41 | Lunessa | It's a style movie. Like the re-make of "Get Carter" with Stallone. |
| 18:14.28 | Lunessa | Oh Hai! |
| 18:14.41 | Lopeppeppy | Hai to you, boyo! |
| 18:17.41 | ScytheBlade1 | lol. The Elitist Jerks forum has class-specific Wrath threads up |
| 18:17.51 | ScytheBlade1 | The mage one? 118k views, 45 pages. |
| 18:17.55 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 18:19.51 | ScytheBlade1 | According to one of the (respected) people there, the new fire mage talents can push em' well over 3000DPS. |
| 18:20.15 | nevcairiel | in 2.4 gear on lvl 70? |
| 18:20.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes |
| 18:20.28 | ScytheBlade1 | (I think) |
| 18:20.39 | Josh_Borke | claddy waddy! |
| 18:20.39 | nevcairiel | i fail to find those threads on the forum |
| 18:20.40 | nevcairiel | hrm |
| 18:20.46 | ScytheBlade1 | http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t25976-mage_wotlk_talent_preview_discussion/p2/ |
| 18:20.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Top of that page, actually |
| 18:21.51 | nevcairiel | yeah i was more looking for a resto druid version, but they only have moonkin and feral |
| 18:22.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah. Well give them time, I'm sure ;) |
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| 18:24.26 | Lunessa | There is no beta, only Zuul! |
| 18:28.41 | Zurik | better watch it Lunessa I'll sap you with my proton beam |
| 18:29.01 | cncfanatics | does select(1, ...) do anything ? |
| 18:29.11 | Lunessa | Hey this Lunessa's not so bad. He's a sailor, he's in New York... |
| 18:29.14 | nevcairiel | cncfanatics: no |
| 18:29.24 | nevcairiel | same as ... directly |
| 18:30.41 | Zurik | haha |
| 18:31.17 | cncfanatics | they gave talent previews ?? |
| 18:31.28 | cncfanatics | wherez ? |
| 18:37.45 | cncfanatics | oooh |
| 18:37.49 | cncfanatics | mages are looking tasty for wotlk again |
| 18:37.51 | cncfanatics | giev a mage again |
| 18:37.56 | cncfanatics | crit based damage, as the good old times |
| 18:39.24 | Mikk | the good old times when everyone stacked int+spi? =) |
| 18:39.47 | nevcairiel | haha i remember that one ring from ragnaros |
| 18:39.47 | ScytheBlade1 | The simple fact that crit /may/ out-DPS spell damage is... still getting to me |
| 18:39.52 | nevcairiel | with a insane amount if int |
| 18:39.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Not sure if I've fully grasped that yet |
| 18:40.24 | cncfanatics | ScytheBlade1: remember rolling ignites ? |
| 18:40.27 | nevcairiel | and everyone was like "need", then they added BWL with new items, with real +healing/+damage .. and suddenly that ring sucked :P |
| 18:40.27 | cncfanatics | that time crit owned too :p |
| 18:40.31 | cncfanatics | and damn I abused those so much |
| 18:40.41 | nevcairiel | rolling ignites caused wipes |
| 18:40.43 | ScytheBlade1 | cncfanatics: however nice they were, they were broken, and everyone knew it |
| 18:40.48 | cncfanatics | yea they were |
| 18:40.53 | cncfanatics | but they were god damn so fucking much fun |
| 18:40.55 | nevcairiel | you cant put all that aggro on one mage |
| 18:41.00 | nevcairiel | was a wrong design =P |
| 18:41.04 | cncfanatics | yea, they should have fixed it |
| 18:41.05 | ScytheBlade1 | In theory rolling ignites are still possible |
| 18:41.06 | cncfanatics | instead of removing them |
| 18:41.17 | cncfanatics | hmmm, how ? |
| 18:41.22 | nevcairiel | doesnt each mage get his own ignite now? |
| 18:41.23 | cncfanatics | haven't played my mage since they released TBC |
| 18:41.24 | ScytheBlade1 | It depends on you having a fireball cast time of 2.1 to 2.2 or so |
| 18:41.33 | ScytheBlade1 | It's only due to a bug in the game code |
| 18:41.48 | ScytheBlade1 | If you can hit the right spell cast timer window you can solo roll ignites |
| 18:42.06 | Matrix110 | Ignite doesnt roll anymore |
| 18:42.11 | ScytheBlade1 | (It's only possible with the new S4 haste weapon and a lot of haste gear) |
| 18:42.11 | cncfanatics | still a bug |
| 18:42.22 | cncfanatics | I wish ignites rolled by design |
| 18:42.29 | cncfanatics | in a nice, non bugged way |
| 18:42.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup, but oh well |
| 18:42.47 | cncfanatics | on a side note |
| 18:42.53 | Matrix110 | @Patchwerk it was so much fun |
| 18:42.56 | cncfanatics | commenting code correctly with autodoc code takes ages |
| 18:43.15 | AckisWork | people comment code? |
| 18:43.26 | cncfanatics | I'm commenting my code atm yes :) |
| 18:43.27 | nevcairiel | cncfanatics: thats why you use a environment that actually does the hard work for you (addint @param and @return templates :P) |
| 18:43.34 | nevcairiel | and, you do it while you code |
| 18:43.43 | cncfanatics | well, I had the bad habit to not do it |
| 18:43.46 | cncfanatics | only started doing it recently |
| 18:43.54 | cncfanatics | in lua its very hard to let your env do it for you btw :p |
| 18:44.34 | nevcairiel | lua is kinda hard to get into a proper syntax anyway, because you have no type safety |
| 18:45.06 | Drundia | last time i checked mage ignites indeed still roll from the same mage, and i believe all the way to infinity if you can crit that much |
| 18:45.07 | cncfanatics | yep |
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| 18:45.43 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel: most of the time functions always return a fixed type though |
| 18:45.48 | cncfanatics | with some exceptions |
| 18:46.04 | nevcairiel | anyone worked with JSP? |
| 18:46.22 | cncfanatics | nop |
| 18:47.17 | nevcairiel | I'm exploring alternatives for a web page design |
| 18:47.20 | nevcairiel | dont want php anymore |
| 18:47.47 | cncfanatics | php fails indeed :) |
| 18:48.39 | Shirik | .... |
| 18:48.41 | Shirik | php is awesome |
| 18:49.02 | cncfanatics | ~failrik |
| 18:49.04 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 18:49.05 | nevcairiel | I want a more strict language |
| 18:49.15 | nevcairiel | give me php with type safety |
| 18:49.16 | Shirik | that is one thing I dislike about php |
| 18:49.24 | Drundia | lua> "php" > "cncfanatics" |
| 18:49.24 | lua_bot | Drundia: true |
| 18:49.47 | cncfanatics | mmmm |
| 18:49.52 | duaiwe | woooo... tax return finally went through. >.> |
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| 18:50.14 | Drundia | those bots always prove some random inequality.... |
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| 18:51.25 | cncfanatics | lua> "cncfanatics" > "php" |
| 18:51.26 | lua_bot | cncfanatics: false |
| 18:51.29 | cncfanatics | booo |
| 18:52.47 | Lunessa | cncfanatics: did you just get pwnt by php? |
| 18:52.59 | cncfanatics | Lunessa: more by Drundia then php |
| 18:53.09 | cncfanatics | which makes it ok because php is also > then Drundia |
| 18:53.53 | Drundia | sadly :( |
| 18:55.36 | Shirik | unfortunately, grammar > cncfanatics too |
| 18:55.50 | cncfanatics | ofc |
| 18:55.56 | cncfanatics | I'm half french, half portuguese |
| 18:55.58 | cncfanatics | what do you expect ? |
| 18:56.02 | Shirik | oh really? |
| 18:56.37 | nevcairiel | half french kills all grammar |
| 18:56.50 | cncfanatics | haha |
| 18:57.08 | nevcairiel | also kills all sympathy |
| 18:57.20 | cncfanatics | nah |
| 18:57.25 | cncfanatics | ~whalecrit nevcairiel |
| 18:57.25 | purl | ACTION crits nevcairiel with a mathematically skilled whale named Isaac for #NaN. nevcairiel dies |
| 18:57.50 | cncfanatics | lua> "lua crits nevcairiel for " . Math.huge |
| 18:57.50 | lua_bot | cncfanatics: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '"lua crits nevcairiel for "' |
| 18:57.55 | cncfanatics | ups |
| 18:57.58 | cncfanatics | damn :'( |
| 18:58.02 | nevcairiel | you fail |
| 18:58.10 | cncfanatics | yep |
| 18:58.19 | nevcairiel | in lua its .. |
| 18:58.20 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 18:58.24 | nevcairiel | . is php |
| 18:58.48 | Drundia | and m in math should be lowercase too |
| 18:58.50 | nevcairiel | speaking of php, half an hour of googling and reading didnt find me a suitable alternative to php |
| 18:58.58 | nevcairiel | i wish i could turn on strict typing :P |
| 18:59.14 | foxlit | jee |
| 18:59.15 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: ruby? *flees* |
| 18:59.29 | Drundia | just compile some c program for that purpose... |
| 18:59.31 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: ooh, perl! ;) |
| 18:59.42 | nevcairiel | ruby on rails is too big, i dont want a kitche sink without using it |
| 18:59.48 | nevcairiel | i want to write my own small framework |
| 18:59.57 | nevcairiel | and perl is just ... perl |
| 19:00.10 | NightHawkTheSane | python? |
| 19:01.44 | Dashkal | aww, IO thought perl was foo ~= s/(.*)/$1$bar/; :p |
| 19:02.33 | nevcairiel | java would be fine, actually |
| 19:03.31 | Dashkal | nevcairiel: if you're going to go with java, do yourself a big favour and skip raw JSP and use something like wicket or GWT. |
| 19:03.40 | Shirik | >>> tonumber("c08f", 16) |
| 19:03.49 | Shirik | lua> tonumber("c08f", 16) |
| 19:03.49 | lua_bot | Shirik: 49295 |
| 19:04.03 | nevcairiel | you should get used to trying lua> first .. its generally always here, while cide isnt :P |
| 19:04.15 | Drundia | or !lua |
| 19:04.26 | nevcairiel | Dashkal: thanks for the hints |
| 19:04.28 | Drundia | that one seems to be almost always here too |
| 19:04.57 | Dashkal | It's fair warning. raw JSP has you embedding java code in the html files. *shudder* |
| 19:05.27 | Dashkal | wicket and family have you take the approach of leaving markers in the HTML and you refer to that in proper code |
| 19:07.52 | ScytheBlade1 | lol - I'm writing my own little stat parser in lua, and for the life of me could not figure out why my crit was .4 off from the in-game value |
| 19:08.09 | cncfanatics | anyone here that can run LuaDoc easely ? |
| 19:08.16 | cncfanatics | I can't manage to get its depencies working under cygwin |
| 19:08.16 | ScytheBlade1 | I even went to respec to make sure that wasn't it - dropped all of my talents - and then I realized it was because I had an old int value plugged in. ;) |
| 19:08.23 | cncfanatics | and I'd like to see if my file returns decent docs |
| 19:08.23 | nevcairiel | lol |
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| 19:38.30 | Shirik | Specifies the exposure setting, in log base 2 seconds. In other words, for values less than zero, the exposure time is 1/2^n seconds, and for values zero or above, the exposure time is 2^n seconds. |
| 19:38.36 | Shirik | let me make sure I'm understanding this right |
| 19:38.53 | Shirik | if n == -7, that should be something like 1/128 sec, ya? |
| 19:40.15 | Thunder_Child | sounds correct |
| 19:40.32 | Shirik | I'm using -7 and it keeps setting it to 1/25 :/ |
| 19:40.38 | Shirik | so strange |
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| 19:42.56 | Thunder_Child | wait.. -7? |
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| 19:44.03 | Shirik | ya -7 |
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| 19:44.25 | Thunder_Child | isnt it usually +-2? |
| 19:45.03 | Shirik | this is a Windows API, not camera exposure variance :P |
| 19:45.10 | Shirik | http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms779747(VS.85).aspx |
| 19:45.22 | Shirik | sorry for confusion :) |
| 19:45.28 | Shirik | I'm trying to control a camera from windows |
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| 19:47.42 | Thunder_Child | ah, you're using the number to create the desired exposure on the camera |
| 19:47.46 | Thunder_Child | got it |
| 19:48.16 | Shirik | I have a feeling Logitech just screwed up their drivers |
| 19:48.27 | Shirik | I found an old post that was saying 0 is less bright than -2 (Which is also wrong) |
| 19:48.36 | Shirik | 0 is now more bright (as it should be) but I'm still not getting the right numbers |
| 20:01.45 | Kirov | logitech screwing their drivers?! UNPOSSIBLE! |
| 20:02.28 | Kirov | I'm not sure there's been a comericial software driver for any product ever made that wasn't buggy in some way. |
| 20:03.34 | Kirov | I've known programmers who've quit their jobs as driver makers just because windows' code is so fucked up when it comes to driver support. |
| 20:03.52 | cncfanatics | Kirov: its their fault for supporting windows |
| 20:04.43 | Kirov | cncfanatics - well, technically it's the last two decades of people using windows over other platforms because microsoft was smart about marketing. |
| 20:05.03 | Kirov | they targetted the people who actually had the money rather than the people who knew wtf they were talking about. |
| 20:05.04 | cncfanatics | unfortunatly |
| 20:05.13 | cncfanatics | unfortunatly again :) |
| 20:05.23 | Kirov | It's why intel is where they are now too. |
| 20:05.37 | cncfanatics | well, intel doesn't fail half as much as microsoft |
| 20:06.01 | Fisker- | hey fu |
| 20:06.11 | Fisker- | Intel and Microsoft = cruise control for awesome |
| 20:06.19 | Kirov | cncfanatics - intel has some amazingly good engineers that'll pulled off some impressive feats in the name of marketting skews. |
| 20:06.33 | Kirov | Pentium 4 |
| 20:06.37 | Kirov | holy fuck |
| 20:06.37 | cncfanatics | yep, microsoft doesn't unfortunatly though |
| 20:06.41 | Kyahx|Work | atleast the have some good engineers! |
| 20:06.43 | Kyahx|Work | :P |
| 20:06.50 | Kyahx|Work | (Intel, slow typing FTL) |
| 20:07.07 | Fisker- | haha Kirov |
| 20:07.10 | cncfanatics | windows is just a memory and cpu eating canibal now |
| 20:07.10 | Fisker- | fucking yeah |
| 20:07.19 | Fisker- | How people could still use the P4 is beyond me |
| 20:07.29 | Fisker- | but Intel pulled it off |
| 20:07.50 | Kirov | And what came out of the P4 basically made the Core 2 possible. |
| 20:08.10 | Kirov | Though, really the Core cpus are Pentium Ms |
| 20:08.17 | Kirov | (which are Celerons) |
| 20:08.20 | Fisker- | nah |
| 20:08.21 | Fisker- | P3's |
| 20:08.31 | Kirov | First gen Celerons were P3s |
| 20:09.03 | Kirov | Third gen Celerons and later are P4 |
| 20:09.21 | Fisker- | The new Core 2 cpu's with HT back is awesome as well it appears |
| 20:09.58 | cncfanatics | meh, while you're at it |
| 20:10.04 | Kirov | Oddly the main hardware behind the Core 2 is based on the Pentium M, but the low level programing is P4 |
| 20:10.08 | cncfanatics | what proc would you recommend for the laptop I'm going to buy in 2 weeks ? |
| 20:10.14 | Fisker- | Core 2 obviously :P |
| 20:10.18 | Kirov | Yeah |
| 20:10.30 | cncfanatics | let me find the model I had in mind again |
| 20:10.34 | Kirov | Core 2s are really impressive. |
| 20:10.42 | Fisker- | I want octo-core Core2 with Hyper Threading |
| 20:10.47 | Fisker- | so i can /moo cpu all day long |
| 20:10.55 | nevcairiel | didnt they rename the new cores? |
| 20:11.05 | cncfanatics | can you peeps link me to some nice SMALL sized laptops ? |
| 20:11.15 | cncfanatics | I have 2000⬠(about 2300-2400$) to spend |
| 20:11.15 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Fisker- |
| 20:11.15 | purl | beats Fisker- over the head with a microkernel |
| 20:11.19 | Fisker- | no u Thunder_Child |
| 20:11.19 | Kirov | The LOWEST END Core 2 when they came out were FASTER than the highest end AMD CPU sold |
| 20:11.43 | Fisker- | moo: cpu: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz at 2400MHz (5% Load) |
| 20:11.53 | Kirov | The only thing AMD has really been able to do is sell their CPUs for less. |
| 20:11.57 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 20:12.08 | Fisker- | And their phenoms pretty much flopped as well |
| 20:12.15 | Fisker- | especially the tri-core ones |
| 20:12.27 | Kirov | Another cost cutting measure. |
| 20:12.41 | nevcairiel | tri-core are just quadcores with one broken core turned off |
| 20:12.42 | Kirov | Tri cores are really just an indication of how bad AMD is hurting now. |
| 20:12.42 | nevcairiel | recycling! |
| 20:12.55 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/5016250/intel-launching-cheap-quad-core-processors-to-battle-budget-amd-triple-cores |
| 20:12.59 | Kirov | They're doing anything they can to sell more. |
| 20:13.04 | Fisker- | Seems like ATi is back in action though |
| 20:13.20 | nevcairiel | only until nvidia releases their new card |
| 20:13.22 | cncfanatics | is the Asus F9S-2P062C any good ? |
| 20:13.43 | Fisker- | nevcairiel according to sources we might be looking at a new leafblower |
| 20:13.47 | Fisker- | which sucks horribly |
| 20:13.54 | Kirov | Fisker - yes and no. ATi has managed to catch up to NVidia, 6 months late. NVidia generally runs on a 6 month cycle and are running late. |
| 20:14.13 | nevcairiel | Fisker-: ati your source, eh? |
| 20:14.16 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 20:14.19 | Fisker- | they said so themselves! |
| 20:14.33 | Kirov | I should poke my source at NVidia. |
| 20:15.13 | Lopeppeppy | If you do, ask them for new drivers for the 7600-8800 series! |
| 20:15.25 | Fisker- | I can't entirely remember it, saw it some of the compilation sites that the new nvidia gpu would be a monster |
| 20:15.49 | nevcairiel | Lopeppeppy: do you have issues with the drivers? seem to work fine here |
| 20:16.38 | cncfanatics | anyone here running a linux box and with a few minutes to spare ? |
| 20:16.48 | Kirov | From what I've been able to see, both NVidia and ATi are holding back. NVidia is pushing it's 45nm process, CUDA and ATi is trying to push the CPU-GPU hybrid. They're basically the same thing only CUDA isn't x86 |
| 20:17.36 | ScytheBlade1 | cncfanatics: ? |
| 20:17.37 | nevcairiel | i dont believe in CPU/GPU hybrids |
| 20:17.40 | Kirov | I'm pretty sure NVidia is trying to get CUDA to be adopted by more middleware before they really push it. |
| 20:17.41 | ScytheBlade1 | cncfanatics: depends on what you need :/ |
| 20:18.08 | ScytheBlade1 | NV grabbing Aegis Physics was an interesting move, but with any luck, a very good one |
| 20:18.12 | Kirov | nevcairiel - I think it's a good direction for low power solutions. It's working for ARM so far. |
| 20:18.18 | cncfanatics | I need someone to install luadoc (its on apt if you're using debian) and see if my file parses correctly |
| 20:18.27 | cncfanatics | luadoc's deps don't like cygwin so I can't get it working here |
| 20:18.52 | cncfanatics | ScytheBlade1: could you do that for me ? :) |
| 20:19.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Not running debian here, and looks like it isn't in gentoo's portage either |
| 20:19.42 | nevcairiel | its only a lua script |
| 20:19.47 | nevcairiel | shouldnt be too hard to install its deps |
| 20:19.50 | cncfanatics | its a lua script with two depencies |
| 20:20.09 | cncfanatics | the depencies fuck up on cygwin though |
| 20:20.23 | nevcairiel | run it on windows directly? =P |
| 20:20.48 | cncfanatics | mmm, lets see |
| 20:21.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, why not just use the windows binaries of lua and friends? |
| 20:21.26 | cncfanatics | I'm gonna try :p |
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| 20:34.30 | foxlit | "Since MacOS X is a BSD derivative, a Linux port shouldn't be too hard..." |
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| 20:50.19 | cncfanatics | foxlit: didn't macOS get completely changed ? :p |
| 20:50.31 | foxlit | quoted for silly, really |
| 20:51.46 | cncfanatics | ah |
| 20:52.12 | foxlit | It's not so much that the premise isn't true - it's just that the conclusion is based on ignorance |
| 20:54.06 | cncfanatics | damn, why is the module function in WoW lua nil |
| 20:54.10 | cncfanatics | it should just be an empty func :p |
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| 21:07.19 | cncfanatics | shiny luadoc :D |
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| 21:16.29 | bleetah | hmm, would seem the trojan that does the wzcsvbc.dll thingie is kicking around again |
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| 21:29.19 | bleetah | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7116403798&sid=1&pageNo=2 |
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| 21:34.00 | bleetah | oh well, posted it to the UI forum, please folks check the tarballs you're distributing, and the websites your using, for possible infection with that dang trojan again. The OP in that thread was long gone by the time I got my ass outta bed. |
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| 21:41.58 | Fisker- | owned |
| 21:43.02 | NightHawkTheSane | haha http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=30858 |
| 21:45.23 | Atriace | wow... that's so sad. Is that what Democrats believe about Republicans? |
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| 21:53.28 | ZealotOnAStick | Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam. |
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| 21:56.03 | Kirov | Atriace - It's part of the problem with the "two party" system america pretends it has. |
| 21:57.15 | Kirov | Who ever shouts the loudest from either party are the ones noticed, even if they're only a minority. |
| 21:57.37 | Kirov | And the most rediculous ideals are the ones remembered most often. |
| 22:01.55 | cncfanatics | g'night peeps |
| 22:02.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Atriace: reducing 300 million people to little more than "democrats" and "republicans" with a supposed single point of view is as sad as the broad generalizations that ad makes. :P |
| 22:02.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Atriace: also, it's funny. laugh. move on. :P |
| 22:02.49 | Sheepofdumb | hello |
| 22:03.43 | Sheepofdumb | can someone help me with a macro that yells something when my rogue uses distract? |
| 22:04.12 | Kirov | Sheepofdumb - do you want it to happen only when distract actually happens? |
| 22:04.21 | Sheepofdumb | yeah |
| 22:04.59 | Sheepofdumb | brb real quick |
| 22:05.11 | Kirov | Not really a macro-able thing. |
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| 22:05.48 | Sheepofdumb | kk back |
| 22:07.12 | Kirov | macros generally deal with "right now" kind of things. Spells cast to the cursor (like distract) aren't "right now" as it requires that second click in the world to actually, really cast. |
| 22:08.09 | Kirov | Anyone know if Aftercast will catch a spell like that? |
| 22:09.16 | Sheepofdumb | i was thinking about using /in but that wouldn't be as cool as yelling as the mobs were being distracted |
| 22:10.28 | Kirov | Sheepofdumb - You'll probably need an addon, or possibly something that could be crammed in to the 255 char limit of a macro. |
| 22:10.38 | Kirov | You can try AfterCast to see if that works |
| 22:11.04 | Sheepofdumb | kk thx |
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| 22:34.40 | foxlit | What's the hard limit on macro length, again? |
| 22:34.59 | Kirov | 1023 chars |
| 22:35.09 | Kirov | 1024 maybe |
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| 23:29.15 | AnduinLothar | anyone need a ret pally? |
| 23:36.00 | Sixen_ | Hmph.... Should I make a Pally or a Druid ?:/ |
| 23:36.15 | AnduinLothar | druid. no one likes pallies |
| 23:36.24 | AnduinLothar | resto druids are op |
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| 23:38.08 | Sixen_ | =o |
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| 23:43.13 | Sixen_ | What if I went Feral instead of Resto? |
| 23:43.47 | NightHawkTheSane | I like pallies. |
| 23:44.00 | AnduinLothar | feral's get the shaft |
| 23:44.01 | NightHawkTheSane | well. I like pallies that know how to freaking buff. |
| 23:44.20 | Sixen_ | Lol, how so? |
| 23:44.43 | AnduinLothar | ferals blow at pvp and there's too many of them to let everyone dps or tank |
| 23:45.05 | AnduinLothar | same as ret pallies, every guild only needs 1 |
| 23:46.41 | Sixen_ | Hmhp. So, you say I should go Resto Druid? |
| 23:46.51 | AnduinLothar | yes, everyone loves resto druids |
| 23:47.17 | AnduinLothar | unless of course you LIKE being the underdog.... in which case I sympathize |
| 23:47.24 | NightHawkTheSane | tbh,we have too many resto druids |
| 23:47.27 | NightHawkTheSane | and too many shaman |
| 23:47.37 | NightHawkTheSane | we desperately need pallies |
| 23:48.09 | AnduinLothar | everyone needs holy pallies. because it's borring as fuck and they've been nurfed constantly since TBC |
| 23:48.12 | Sixen_ | IF that were the case, who would I go? :P. |
| 23:48.20 | Sixen_ | I would want to tank. |
| 23:48.25 | Sixen_ | Either way, I want to tank. |
| 23:48.27 | NightHawkTheSane | (On a good night, we could have upwards of 3-4 resto druids and 4-5 resto shaman online. >< |
| 23:48.58 | AnduinLothar | if you want to tank roll a warrior. not because the other ones CAN'T but because you'll get to play more. |
| 23:49.27 | NightHawkTheSane | i'd agree absolutely, but obviously, realm/guilds have specific needs.. |
| 23:49.37 | Sixen_ | Yeah, but I wanted to be able to heal whenever I need to. Which is why I said either Druid or Pally, :(. |
| 23:49.46 | Sixen_ | I mean ,Icould go Shaman, but I don't want to roll a shammy. |
| 23:49.52 | AnduinLothar | healing is overrated |
| 23:50.01 | NightHawkTheSane | everything is overrated once you've done it enough. |
| 23:50.04 | AnduinLothar | as ret or prot i dont heal myself in raids |
| 23:50.21 | AnduinLothar | waste of mana |
| 23:50.25 | NightHawkTheSane | AnduinLothar: well, as prot.. you're kind of busy, and ret usually just sucks chain heal jumps |
| 23:54.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Holy crap |
| 23:55.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Not only did they merge spell damage and healing |
| 23:55.17 | ScytheBlade1 | They merged spell and melee hit, crit, and haste |
| 23:55.36 | NightHawkTheSane | where are you reading this? |
| 23:55.42 | ScytheBlade1 | wowinsider |
| 23:55.43 | ScytheBlade1 | I know I know |
| 23:55.47 | ScytheBlade1 | But it's plausible |
| 23:56.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Links to the "wrath wiki" |
| 23:56.10 | Dashkal | well, they have been talking about making gear spread out more |
| 23:56.11 | NightHawkTheSane | I was just curious so i could look myself. I wasn't going to criticize. I assumed you were smart enough. :P |
| 23:56.34 | ScytheBlade1 | wowinsider isn't the most... accurate source in the world ;) |
| 23:57.01 | ScytheBlade1 | See: them suggesting that you go into AV and "/me has reported you as AFK. Type /afk to dispute this." as a great way to kick out stupid people |
| 23:57.08 | ScytheBlade1 | (It's an actionable offense) |
| 23:57.41 | Kaso | http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1213401296146.jpg (its fine) |
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| 23:58.01 | ScytheBlade1 | I've never not once clicked a 4chan link, let alone a /b/ link |
| 23:58.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Not sure if I'm about to now :( |
| 23:58.33 | Kaso | trust me, im a doctor! |
| 23:58.38 | Dashkal | rofl, nice |
| 23:58.56 | Dashkal | but how did he get that in _there_? (kidding) |
| 23:59.37 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: if you had to chose only one rule to ever absolutely follow in your life "never click on a 4chan link" is a solid candidate. |
| 23:59.46 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: agreed! |
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