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00:10.05Zyuuseason 4 http://news.curse.com/details/10641/
00:10.06LopeppeppyYou are sane, they are not!
00:14.09Corrodiaswow, i quit months ago and we were expecting s4 any day  THEN
00:16.14Zyuuupdated again
00:16.17Zyuudate is out
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00:35.51Lunessa... the Ashbringer.
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04:40.37KajasHow do I find out how much funds is included in a standard mail message?  I tried 'GetInboxItem(index, itemindex)' but it returns nil on a message that I sent myself from another toon with money attached.
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04:48.20IrielKajas:     local packageIcon, stationeryIcon, sender, subject, money, CODAmount, daysLeft, itemCount, wasRead, wasReturned, textCreated, canReply = GetInboxHeaderInfo(InboxFrame.openMailID
04:48.53KajasThank you very much
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04:56.02Kajasone more question.. when I had it print out the money, it game me the value in copper (21,005).  Is there a simple method to conver it to gold/silver/copper, or do I need to create one?
04:58.30MentalPowerI think there is one now in the FrameXML
04:59.37KajasI thought FrameXML was a loading dump file to check for problems.. am I mistaken?
05:01.00Drundia~framexml
05:01.00purlGet the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ or view it online at http://wowcompares.com/
05:01.11Drundiait's standard ui
05:05.48Drundiaapparently there is GetCoinText(money, "separator")
05:06.27Drundiaand an accompanying function GetDenominationsFromCopper(money) return GetCoinText(money, " "); end
05:06.47Tekkubhttp://xkcd.com/435/
05:07.58dylanmOh boy. I'll be seeing that one on some doors.
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05:15.54Corrodiasthere, just finished Chrono Cross again. i had been putting off the ending for a week due to poor playing opportunities, but there we go. i did it.
05:16.18Corrodiasso now i have, what, 5 hours of reading to do of people trying to explain the story
05:18.26Dashkalheh, that story is so twisted...
05:18.45Corrodiasit's complex, but it's a good story. it's... poorly presented, though, let's put it that way
05:19.25DashkalNo argument here.
05:19.34ScytheBlade1kd3: ping
05:19.35DashkalI'm still holding out for a third installment...
05:19.41Corrodiasthere's an article on chrono compendium of someone examining the good and bad points about the game (from the perspective of it being a good game), and the biggest problem with the story was that the pacing was all off
05:19.43kd3pong
05:20.05Corrodiaslong stretches of no plot development followed by too much exposition (or is it narrative?) all at once
05:20.07DashkalSo that wasn't just my impression.  I thoguht it was a little ... odd in the timing of events
05:20.16ScytheBlade1kd3: pm
05:20.18Corrodiasyeah, not just you
05:20.27Corrodiasespecially the ending, with the explanation of things
05:20.42Dashkalthat was just a wall of text, really
05:20.45Corrodiashalf of the main plot isn't even told to you until the last hour of the game
05:21.28Corrodiasheheh, i hate to say it, but it feels like they wanted to make the game twice as long, then suddenly realized that they've run up too many hours on the Played meter and have to end it
05:21.45Dashkal*ponders*
05:21.46Corrodiasbut yes, i did enjoy it
05:21.52Dashkalyeah, that makes sense
05:22.01Dashkaland agreed, it's still a really good game
05:22.21DashkalNow where are those discs...
05:24.20Corrodiasi can provide for you images to play on an emulator or burn for a psx, if you wish. of course, having discs is cool. i enjoy admiring my own.
05:27.40Corrodiasending analysis...
05:31.59DashkalI'm pretty sure I still have images floating around if I can't find the discs anyway
05:32.13DashkalI'd rather play on the emu regardless.  Better resolution :p
05:32.41Dashkaland my video card is a touch more beefy than what was in the old ps1
05:32.49Corrodiasyeah. too bad about the lack of sub-pixel accuracy in the rendering. that's what causes the polygons to jump around so much.
05:33.04Corrodiasat least in any psx emulator / video plugin i've seen
05:33.29DashkalI don't remember that, but it's been over a year since I last fired it up
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05:34.24Corrodiasi don't have the will to read all of this analysis tonight. i'll save it for another time.
05:35.08Corrodiasyou'd have to wonder what the gimmick of a third game would be. having done time travel and interdimensional travel, what's left? the Borg?
05:35.23Dashkallol
05:35.34DashkalI'd guess paradox
05:35.57DashkalThere they are
05:36.43Corrodiascongrats!
05:37.07Corrodiasi just recently finished a replay of Ico, too. sadly, that one doesn't get better as you play it more, because you can never recapture the virginal experience.
05:37.18Corrodiasi'm quite bummed about that
05:39.20kd3ya. I was rather depressed when I played through it again
05:40.02DashkalGot a suggestion on an emu?  I still have my old version of epsxe, but that's about it.
05:40.23Corrodiasplaying Ico is a good thing, but just slightly less so for knowing what's going on
05:40.40Corrodiasi use epsxe. they just released a new version, 1.7.0
05:41.10Corrodiasi don't have it yet. i finished up with 1.6.0 like i played the rest of the game with
05:41.20kd3meh, I was so upset that I remembered all of the puzzles (a few years later) that I haven't touched shadow of the colossus since I beat it
05:41.38Dashkalonly one minor since I got this?  They must be pretty happy with where they're at then
05:41.51Corrodiaskd3: ah, my poor memory serves a useful purpose there. at least i didn't remember all the solutions. :)
05:42.45Corrodiasas for plugins... audio: eternal 1.50 (you may need to look hard for this; it was a beta. specifically, 1.50beta2), video: pete's opengl2 2.8, drive/image plugin depends on what you intend to play with
05:44.07Dashkalheh, got pete's.  I was using spupeopsdsound109
05:44.10Corrodiassigh, now i have that song stuck in my head.
05:44.17Corrodias"like a virgin, hey! touched for the very first time"
05:44.37Dashkaloh god don't give it to me...
05:45.26Corrodiasi find Eternal is more CPU-intensive than the other plugins (if that's a concern), but produces far more accurate results
05:45.35Corrodiasthe trick is setting up the frame limiting and buffer right
05:45.45Dashkal*nods* cpu isn't an issue
05:46.25Corrodiasturn OFF the frame limiter in your video plugin, set audio out method in the audio plugin to spuasync, async mode Wait
05:47.16Corrodiasthe buffer size is tricky, and it's basically personal taste. a larger buffer delays sound more, but too small a buffer will cause stuttering at some points, when the playstation is "busy" or loading new data
05:47.31Corrodiasi was satisfied with the balance i struck at 32ms, but your mileage may vary
05:49.18Corrodiasi can provide that audio plugin, by the way, but i think it can be found with google
05:50.39Dashkal*nods*
05:50.51DashkalI'll give it a search, but first priority is getting things up at all
05:51.11Dashkaland I suppose the correct buffer would also depend somewhat on my hardware?
05:51.48hi11ieis CanViewOfficerNote() what I should use to see if the player is allowed to write in officer chat?
05:52.14Corrodiasi'm not sure. your hardware may or may not have an effect on how easily the game loads models and performs framebuffer effects.
05:52.32Corrodias64ms is the default i think, and comes recommended by most everyone
05:52.47Corrodiasi just figured i could put up with the occasional stutter to halve the delay, which i can
05:53.00Kajashmmm.. I was just asked if it was possible to put a timer of sorts on an addon so that every set ammount of time the addon announces an Ad in a set chat channel.. "such as, every 4 hours announce in guild chat a reminder of some event" .. is that possible?  Didn't see any timer API's in wowwiki, so my assumption is no.. but I'm no expert
05:53.25Corrodiasi want to say... yes.
05:53.41Thunder_ChildKajas, nothing is built into wow, but there some frameworks for that
05:53.48Corrodiascooldown timer addons and the like, which display bars, often have a "test" mode that shows test bars
05:53.53Kajascould you point me in the direction of one or two?
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05:53.58hi11ieKajas: yes.
05:53.58Corrodiasthey just start when you tell them, last about 5 seconds, then disappear
05:54.13Corrodiastherefore it must be possible; i've just never done it
05:54.19Thunder_Childeh, acetimer is the only one i have off the top of my head
05:54.28Kajasgood enough :)  thanks
05:54.29hi11ieKajas: I have a library that allows setting of timers and cron jobs if you wanna take a look
05:54.38Kajassure
05:54.45hi11iethough, it doesn't do every 4 hours..
05:54.55hi11ieworks like cron
05:55.01KajasShe wants something the she can set how often it repeats
05:55.03hi11ie(mins)
05:55.25hi11iewell still, may help. timers you basically will use the OnUpdate event
05:55.31Kajasahh
05:55.58hi11ieKajas: http://svn.alexquintana.com/AlexLib/trunk/AlexLib/
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05:56.32hi11ieacetimer may be easier, since it seems to do exactly what you want.
05:56.34Dashkalmind you, I'm not at all sure I'm sensitive enough to actually notice the difference of 30ms
05:56.43Dashkalguess I'll find out soon
05:57.53hi11ieDashkal: i've found it's not that noticable.. most audio cards max latency is around that and i could never tell the difference
05:58.22DashkalI'm running onboard DSP.  I haven't run a real sound card since the SB16
05:58.37DashkalThough I've been meaning to pickup that asus one
05:58.56hi11ieheh i wouldn't call anything SB a -real- soundcard, well at least in context of pro audio
05:59.14Dashkalheh, pro audio is far in excess of anything I'd want
05:59.15Corrodiasi'm no professional studio recorder
05:59.26DashkalI'd be happy just to offload some sound processing off of the CPU
05:59.34Dashkalfound eternal
06:00.33Dashkalstable 1.41 and 1.50-b2
06:00.39Dashkallooks like I has choices
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06:01.14hi11ieKajas: i just realized you can use my timer function.. set the timer to 4 hours (however you see fit, either 60000 * 60 * 4, or just change the param so it accepts seconds (remove the *1000) .. since the OnUpdate elapsed var is in seconds
06:01.27Corrodiasi recommend 1.50-b2
06:01.29hi11ieand then inside the timer's function tell it to create a new timer to run the same function
06:01.36Corrodiasit has an additional reverb mode that's more accurate to the psx
06:01.49Kajasthanks Hi
06:02.02Dashkalnice
06:02.44Corrodiasi never ran into any problems with it. i can only assume it was stuck at beta because the author(s) lost interest in coding it and didn't bother to declare a "new stable version"
06:03.26Dashkal*nods*
06:03.42DashkalThis plugin page looks almost exactly like I remember
06:04.22Corrodiasyep, not much psx emulation development in the last few years, i think
06:04.51DARKGuyePSXe and Eternal & P.E.Op.S drivers are the best ones you can get imho :3
06:05.34DARKGuythere's an emulator which emulates -everything-... the PSX way, but forget about AA, D3D and OpenGL: Emurayden (or Connectix Virtual Game Station)
06:05.34Corrodiaspeops makes the... software rendering video plugin, right?
06:05.39Dashkalmissing zlib.dll.... *sighs*
06:05.41DARKGuyand OpenGL too
06:05.52DARKGuyD3D or OpenGL if I can remember correctly o,o
06:05.55Dashkalthat is not exactly a common dll, why would it assume I have it?
06:06.05Corrodiaszlib.dll? it should be, hang on
06:06.21Dashkalzlib1.dll
06:06.26Corrodiaswhat exactly is complaining about not having it?
06:06.32Dashkalepsxe.exe
06:06.34Dashkalfrom 1.7.0
06:06.53DARKGuyIt could be a plugin instead
06:06.56DARKGuy?
06:06.59Corrodiasoh. hmm. well, i don't have experience with 1.7.0. it's possible that they added something...
06:07.10Dashkalit could be, I'm going to dig a bit and find out
06:07.42Dashkalit's 1.7
06:07.51Dashkalcopied the plugins to 1.6 and it fired up.  forum time!
06:10.53Dashkaland there's my old bios.  I may just be in business
06:14.34Dashkalwe has life!
06:14.53Dashkalkilling the FPS limit has the thing going spaztic... I must have missed something
06:15.06Corrodias(the audio out method in the audio plugin config)
06:15.19Corrodiasso what caused the zlib thing? i just tried it and didn't experience it
06:15.50DashkalI just didn't have that dll
06:15.57Dashkalone quick look in the forum had a link for me
06:16.27Corrodiashuh, apparently i DO have that file -somewhere- on my path
06:16.38Dashkalthere we go, framerate is correct
06:17.56DashkalAll that's left is tweaking video settings.  Thank you much for the advice
06:18.11Corrodiasnp
06:18.28Dashkalheh, this has one of the best intros I've seen on a game
06:18.35DARKGuywhich game ?
06:18.40DashkalChrono Cross
06:18.57DARKGuyDamn
06:18.59DARKGuyI love that game
06:19.05Corrodiasi don't do texture filtering, but otherwise i have most everything set to max
06:19.15Corrodiasexcept off-screen drawing is only on Standard
06:19.17DARKGuyI gotta agree with you, best game intro evah :P
06:19.23DashkalI'm gonna keep turning things up until the framerate actually takes a hit
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06:20.08DARKGuyThose were the times when Squaresoft was good
06:20.43DashkalChrono Trigger, Chrono Cross, Final Fantasy 5 and 6
06:20.48DARKGuyHell yeah
06:20.52DARKGuyFF8 & 9 rocked my socks
06:20.58DARKGuySaga frontier - wtf :P
06:21.02DashkalI disliked 8, never tried 9.
06:21.15DARKGuy9 is like 7 with 8's graphics
06:21.21DashkalI never really got a feel for the system, which is a shame because they did some cool stuff with the junctions
06:21.29Corrodias8 i enjoyed, but 9 ... 9 is my...
06:21.31DARKGuyI hated the BFs though
06:21.36DARKGuy*GFs
06:21.38Corrodiashow do you say... the opposite of what i like
06:21.46DashkalOh god I forgot how much I loved this soundtrack
06:21.56DARKGuyyou spent the whole game watching the same GFs animations
06:21.59DARKGuyBrink of Death! :D
06:22.09Corrodiasi think the problem with 9 was that i couldn't identify with any of the characters. i hated them all.
06:22.31Corrodiasas for 8, yes, i think half of the game was watching summons
06:22.43DARKGuyYeah :(
06:22.45Corrodiasof course, i eventually realized that you could power them up by tapping the square button when it told you to
06:22.52DARKGuyDolet city and the missile launch scenes were great tho
06:22.53Corrodiasat least that made them slightly fun
06:22.53DARKGuyYeah :D
06:22.55DashkalFunny, that's what annoyed me with the brief time I spent with 7...
06:23.08DARKGuyI hated 7
06:23.23Dashkallol, gotta love the intro demos...
06:23.26DARKGuycome on, Illidan is way better than Seph any day :P
06:23.31DashkalGlenn and Kid fighting the swamp boss...
06:23.36Corrodiaswell. i enjoyed 7, but i'm not as much a fan as a lot of people seem to be
06:23.38DARKGuy:O
06:24.08DARKGuyI only got to the part where you fall down the casino-like city thing
06:24.15DARKGuythen I grew bored of it :P
06:24.27DARKGuyfinding Vincent was fun though :D
06:24.39DashkalI'd love to hear Chrono Trigger's soundtrack if they had done it for modern hardware...
06:24.57Corrodiasby the way, my total time for this playthrough of chrono cross, following a guide and doing everything (except not bothering to get any prism gear), was 60 hours
06:24.59DARKGuyOCRemix? :P
06:25.06Dashkalheh, that's as close as I get
06:25.20DARKGuyniice
06:25.27DashkalBut I want things like Schala's theme as though square did it, not remixed (though ShalaAncients is a damn good track)
06:25.44DARKGuythat reminds me of another Squaresoft game... Persona 3 - my parents 99'd the timer when you saved the game
06:26.15DARKGuyHm, I can't remember Schala's theme :(
06:26.34DARKGuyRadical Dreamers when fighting dragons ftw!
06:26.37CorrodiasChrono Cross - Dreamwatch of Time is the preview music
06:26.50Corrodiasintro music is Chrono Cross - Chrono Cross  ~Time's Scar~
06:27.01Corrodiasschala's theme... kinda depends on which song you mean
06:27.03DARKGuybluelaguna.net :D
06:27.28Corrodiaswait, i should have it.
06:28.04CorrodiasDream Fragments is the "music box" tune...
06:29.02Corrodiasthe theme that plays during [SPOILER: important ending event] is Chrono Cross - Life  ~Faraway Promises~
06:31.21DashkalSchala's theme plays when you meet her in ethanasia[sp]
06:31.28Corrodiasoh, chrono trigger music
06:32.11Corrodiasi may have that in .it form
06:32.21DashkalI have the rsn for it (you can get it from ocremix)
06:32.33Corrodiasrsn?
06:33.03Corrodiasi don't know that term
06:33.16DashkalIt's basically extracted raw snes music
06:33.20bleeterCairenn: did I ever mention to you that the GMs don't like me referencing your Choreglider? lolz
06:33.22Dashkalwrapped in a rar archive
06:33.30bleeterCairenn: (with regards to customer support forum)
06:33.35Cairennbleeter: heh
06:33.41Corrodiasah
06:34.09Cairennyou hadn't, that's amusing
06:34.25bleetermore than amusing, it's fail
06:35.05MentalPowerchoreglider?
06:35.22bleetercair's pseudo addon from apr 1st
06:35.58MentalPowerah
06:36.15Cairennhttp://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15626
06:36.45DARKGuyhaha
06:36.52DARKGuyI fell for it
06:36.52DARKGuyxD
06:37.29bleeterhighroller's still the best addon i've ever seen ><
06:37.48Cairennhehehe
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06:39.14kd3waitasec... the forum gms are bitching about choreglider?
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06:40.23Corrodiasforum GM: because the WoW forums are just a game that nobody can win
06:42.37bleeterkd3: not today, it was an argument I had a couple of months ago with them. they just don't wanna see any glider reference, even in jest
06:43.11bleeterbut if you see my last post to the "HELP Does..." thread, you'll see where I'm trying to find a happy medium
06:43.37bleeteractually, there was a good bit of GM ownage today, as in, regulars owning GMs
06:43.58Corrodiasoh?
06:44.04DARKGuyEpic
06:44.06DARKGuycan we see :O?
06:44.12bleeterthat guy was complaining about lack of action, and the GM was all 'but you keep closing tickets' and we were all 'but it's not obvious if you logout that the ticket will be actioned by email d'oh'
06:44.27bleeterfollowing by a few suggestions for extending the 'ticket pending' string
06:44.31kd3huh. I didn't even look today. it's tuesday and the forums are always bitching about maint
06:44.44DARKGuylol bleeter
06:44.49bleeterand folks saying 'it's so obvious a thing todo, no one bothers suggesting obvious stuff doh'
06:44.50DARKGuygo tech support
06:44.53kd3and now they're 503ing
06:44.58bleeteryup
06:45.09DARKGuyI'm gonna 404 in your faces
06:45.10bleeterthere's still some probs with account admin interface
06:45.13DARKGuyAKA: sleep
06:45.24bleeterdespite blizz's claims all website work complete, or something
06:45.35DARKGuythey forgot to type "Make it so"
06:45.59DARKGuy(kudos to whoever gets that cheat reference :P)
06:46.26kd3gah, thank you for reminding me that I haven't watched HSR in a while
06:47.00DARKGuyNight guys :P
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06:49.05Dashkalalrighty, sleep time. Thank you again, Corrodias.
06:49.28Corrodiasnp
06:50.46Thunder_Childanyone know of a good RSS reader that isnt browser based?
06:51.33Corrodiasthe cow says: "no"
06:51.47Thunder_Childeh..cow?
06:52.22Corrodiaswell, "moo" certainly wouldn't help here
06:52.22Thunder_Childlike tucows?
06:52.29Thunder_Child-_-
06:59.53hi11ieanyone know the function to use to check to see if you can write to guild officer chat?
07:01.03MentalPowerI don't think there is one
07:01.25CorrodiasCanIWriteToGOChat()
07:01.33Corrodiasyou might have to pass "please"
07:02.57hi11ieMentalPower: yea i didn't see one in the API but there was a lot of other Can functions there
07:03.15hi11iewonder if one of those can be used (ie. if you can't do this you also can't do that type thing)
07:04.05Corrodiasacdsee 8 is decent. now if only it 1) supported unicode filenames like every windows program should, and 2) didn't freeze any time you tried to make a new folder or delete one
07:05.53hi11ienope. oh well. i guess /officer kind of falls in the same category as /yell that it's not to be used lightly
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07:21.33KajasIs anyone familiar with LibRockTimer ?
07:22.25KajasI installed it because it has the timer function closest to what I was looking (and I can't find acetimer in my half-asleep state).. AddOn list shows it installed, but I get an error that the ":AddRepeatingTimer" function call is a nil value..
07:22.37NightHawkTheSaneThunder_Child: netnewswire
07:23.09ArrowmasterKajas: acetimer is in ace3
07:23.32Kajasahh.. I only have Ace2
07:23.56Kajasshould I uninstall that in install Ace3?
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07:24.11Kajasor would that potentially mess up dependant mods
07:24.50Thunder_Childthanks NightHawkTheSane, but i dont swing that way
07:25.00NightHawkTheSaneThunder_Child: newsgator, then?
07:25.19NightHawkTheSanesorry, i dont do any rss reading on windows
07:25.31Thunder_Childshamefull
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07:26.10Arrowmasterno reason to remove it
07:26.17NightHawkTheSanenah, netnewswire is so good, i dont think i could use anythign else :P
07:26.20Thunder_Childthanks NightHawkTheSane, i'll take a look
07:31.59Kajashrm.. I installed Ace3.. but it doesn't show on the AddOns listing
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07:48.01Thunder_Childhttp://www.blizzard.com/us/inblizz/contests/ilovesc/index.html lol @ #33
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08:11.59SixenDrysc is in #9
08:15.57Thunder_ChildSixen, the bald dude?
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08:18.08SixenDrysc is the one with the goatee holding a Dr.Pepper
08:18.14SixenAnd has the sign taped to his shirt
08:18.42SixenAnd the asian guy is Karune
08:18.56SixenIf it's not Karune, it's an old Techie. I don't remember.
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08:21.47Thunder_ChildSixen, i dont see any pictures of someone holding a dosa
08:22.01Thunder_Childsoda*
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09:08.56SixenTC, it's the 3rd row, 3rd column
09:09.05Sixen3 guys in it, 2 white, 1 asian.
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09:35.58Arrowmasteron the employees page not the one linked
09:47.27SixenMmm
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12:27.05ShirikScheduled Delivery:   06/12/2008
12:27.12ShirikBETHLEHEM,
12:27.12ShirikPA,  US 06/11/2008 7:31 A.M. OUT FOR DELIVERY
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12:35.56zenziostop questioning every step they take
12:36.22Shirikthey aren't allowed to deliver it until tomorrow
12:36.26Shirikif they deliver earlier, I'll sue!
12:36.41foxlit"Deleting this mail [Blizzard Europe - Game Master Support] will also destroy Large Brilliant Shard"
12:36.54Shirikwtf?
12:36.54foxlitAnd yet there isn't anything attached to it :(
12:37.02zenzioI remember back when I played Anarchy Online, they had weekly server maintenance too, and they'd always post an ETA for when the servers would be back up
12:37.24foxlitIt appears there's a history bug there
12:37.43zenzioon maintenance days IRC would be filled with "how much longer??" people; but this once... the servers came up early, and a guy came on IRC shouting about how "THEY LIED TO US". He was so pissed the servers came up before the ETA
12:37.46foxlitSelect any mail with content; select a GM mail with no attachments, hit delete, and it'll warn you about deleting contents of the mail you selected in step 1
12:38.04Shirikinteresting foxlit
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13:02.36dylanmCairenn: Is wowi down for you?
13:03.19Shirikisn't Cairenn asleep?
13:04.15dylanmJust wanted to let someone know, or figure out if it's just my ISP.
13:04.50Shirikthere was something about a new DNS that I didn't pay enough attention to yesterday, but by now it should have propagated through
13:04.53ShirikI can get there
13:05.26Shirikif you do nslookup what IP are you getting for wowi?
13:13.05foxlitdig wowinterface.com @ns1.eqhosting.net
13:13.08foxlittimeout
13:13.19foxlitThe other two work, though
13:14.10foxlitIs there any good way to reverse ("%q"):format(str) ?
13:14.53nevcairielreverse?
13:15.07nevcairielstrip the quotes?
13:15.08foxlitinverse would also be a good term
13:15.26foxlitstr == inv(("%q"):format(str));
13:16.06wereHamsterloadstring()
13:16.36foxlitI was hoping to avoid that
13:16.54nevcairielcan write a custom parser to un-escape everything
13:17.15wereHamster>>> s="arst"; return s == loadstring(("return %q"):format(s))()
13:17.53wereHamsterlua> s="arst"; return s == loadstring(("return %q"):format(s))()
13:17.58nevcairiellua> hello!
13:17.58lua_botwereHamster: true
13:17.58lua_botnevcairiel: luabot:1: '=' expected near '!'
13:18.02nevcairielheh
13:18.17foxlitI realize you can do it that way; there are reasons why you wouldn't want to
13:18.54wereHamster.. like?
13:19.08nevcairielsomeone sneaking lua code in there
13:19.50wereHamsterthe string is quoted, so nothing can be executed
13:20.14foxlitYou're trusting the input there
13:20.33foxlitWhat if it actually wasn't?
13:21.18foxlitBut anyway, that's not the main objection - you're limited to having exactly one quoted string per string if you want to decode them that way
13:21.20wereHamsteryou mean something like: s="format('C:\')"; loadstring(("return %q"):format(s))() ?
13:22.36foxlitwhat you're suggesting is essentially
13:23.00foxlitquotedString = "blah\\\"blah"; pureString = loadstring("return " .. quotedString);
13:23.07foxlitwith an extra pair of () at the end
13:23.46wereHamsteryep
13:24.17foxlitnow suppose quotedString = "DisenchantAllYourEpix()";
13:25.04wereHamsternothing will happen, because the string is quoted
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13:25.26wereHamsteror are you taking quotedString from an untrusted source?
13:25.29foxlitDuh
13:25.41foxlitWell, not duh :)
13:25.42dylanmfoxlit: Running through doing /'(.-)'/$1/ is unsatisfactory?
13:26.02wereHamsterand you could always use pcall() and setfenv()
13:26.18foxlitwhich still have issues.
13:26.34wereHamsterin that case you'd be completely safe
13:27.20foxlitWe've been there before
13:27.25foxlit("pants"):rep(1000):rep(1000000);
13:28.10nevcairielone-million pants!
13:28.21dylanmNever misplace your pants again.
13:28.41wereHamsterif string:len() then ...
13:28.42foxlitBut even assuming it was the case, it's still inconvenient : you're limited to having one quoted string per string, which isn't very nice if you're transferring a lot of small strings.
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13:29.13wereHamsterI assume you're recieving the strings through the addon channel
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13:29.31foxlitfair assumption
13:29.41nevcairielcan you just do like s/\(.)/$1/ ?
13:29.47wereHamsterhow does the exact string you get look?
13:30.31nevcairiel(why do you quote it anyway?)
13:30.54dylanmnevcairiel: Yeah that's what I was wondering. The lack of lookbehinds sort of hurts you there but it doesn't sound impossible.
13:31.38nevcairieladdon chan can tramsit everything except \0 .. so you just encode \0 and transmit it :)
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13:32.23foxlitIt's user input; I want to concat things to minimize the number of messages required
13:32.31foxlitSo you'd get some sort of property string through
13:32.41foxlitfoo=5, bar=17, foobar="some string"
13:34.12nevcairielah
13:34.39foxlitproblem is getting that string out of there again, considering one message can contain multiple strings
13:34.57foxlitSomething like entity encoding would probably work
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13:35.35nevcairielgmatch it?
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13:36.05nevcairielmake sure that , is not part of your string
13:36.24nevcairielnor =
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13:37.29foxlitThat places requirements on user input :(
13:37.48nevcairielencode it before transmission
13:38.00nevcairielto remove those 3 entity chars
13:38.37foxlitYou only really need to remove ", and whichever entity metachar you use
13:40.17nevcairiellua> for key, value in ("foo=5, bar=17, foobar=some string"):gmatch("([^=]-)=([^,]-)") do print(key .. "->" .. value) end
13:40.17lua_botnevcairiel: foo->, 5, bar->, 17, foobar->
13:40.53nevcairielwell nearly =P
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14:02.34DARKGuylua> for key, value in ("foo=5, bar=17, foobar=some string"):gmatch("([^=]-)=([^,]-)") do print(key .. "->" .. "'".. value .. "'") end
14:02.34lua_botDARKGuy: foo->'', 5, bar->'', 17, foobar->''
14:02.36DARKGuy:)
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14:03.22DARKGuyd'oh.
14:03.22wereHamster:( I'd say, because of this: foobar->''
14:03.23DARKGuy:(
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14:04.07DARKGuyI always sucked at regexps anyways
14:04.24Shirikp.s., after foo and bar comes baz
14:04.26Shiriknot foobar :P
14:04.27Shirikrawr
14:04.38DARKGuy~failrik
14:04.39purlFAIL, Shirik, FAIL!
14:04.42wereHamsterlua> for key, value in ("foo=5, bar=17, foobar=some string"):gmatch("([^=]-)=([^,]+)") do print(key .. "->" .. "'".. value .. "'") end
14:04.42lua_botwereHamster: foo->'5', , bar->'17', , foobar->'some string'
14:04.49wereHamsterI win :)
14:04.54DARKGuy!!
14:04.55DARKGuysweet
14:05.25DARKGuylua> for key, value in ("foo=5, bar=17, foobar=some string says that google is a 'retard' or so Shirik thinks :O"):gmatch("([^=]-)=([^,]+)") do print(key .. "->" .. "'".. value .. "'") end
14:05.26lua_botDARKGuy: foo->'5', , bar->'17', , foobar->'some string says that google is a 'retard' or so Shirik thinks :O'
14:05.34DARKGuyhey, it works with 's too
14:05.36DARKGuy:D
14:05.48wereHamsterit will stop at the first ','
14:06.12DARKGuynot good, if you want to have comma in those values :(
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14:06.56wereHamsterwell, if you'd have to account for every possibility then the code would have to be huge
14:09.25Shiriksolver[6,i] *= (i<4?SCREEN_SIZE_X:SCREEN_SIZE_Y)[i]; <-- i is 0, SCREEN_SIZE_X[0] is 0. Anyone have a good idea as to why solver[6,i] would not be 0 after that line?
14:09.34ShirikI've got to be missing something stupid here
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14:10.32ShirikI can give a screenshot of my debugger right after that line if you want, but basically it says the information above (I think)
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14:19.09LopeppeppyAnyone have general advice for someone who hasn't had the new wowinterface DNS propagate out to where they can get to it?  Seems to be a hot topic on the forums this morning.
14:23.41sylvanaar_workedit your hosts file and put the right ip there
14:28.56LopeppeppyThat's not something I even know how to describe to the average user.  *laugh*
14:54.13sylvanaar_workthis isn't something the average user can handle fixing on their own
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14:54.54LopeppeppySadly true.  *frown*  I just hate to keep seeing them trash on the sites for being down, when it's a DNS error.  Oh well!
14:56.56foxlitUse OpenDNS and force a refresh on the domain?
14:57.08foxlitAssuming outgoing DNS isn't blocked.
14:57.21LopeppeppyThat assumes a lot of knowledge from the average user.
14:57.43foxlitIt's about 5 clicks and one copy&paste operation on windows?
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14:59.41LopeppeppyYou type it up so that the average user doesn't completely frell their system.  Oh, and does it work for Vista too?
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14:59.50Lopeppeppy*headache*   I'm just not goin' there, myself.
15:00.57foxlithttps://www.opendns.com/start?device=windows-vista
15:01.05foxlitIt has pictures, too.
15:03.32Fisker-the start orb :D
15:04.20Fisker-only suckers don't have dns updates every 5 minutes or so
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15:05.56Fisker-reboot tiems
15:06.04Fisker-and no jokes about linux not needing as many reboots
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15:08.51Kajaswhen using a function from another addon (such as 'ScheduleTimer' from Ace3), do I need anything special added?
15:09.09KajasThe API For Ace3 says to create a timer to use :ScheduleTimer(callback, delay, arg) [according to http://www.wowace.com/wiki/AceTimer]. However I get a nil value error for 'ScheduleTimer' when I use it as 'this:ScheduleTimer(callback,delay,args)' and 'MyAddon:ScheduleTimer(callback,delay,args).
15:09.48Josh_Borkeyou must pass it an object that has AceTimer3 embedded
15:09.50nevcairielDid you embed AceTimer in your addon before?
15:10.29nevcairielIf you use AceAddon too, just add AceTimer-3.0 to your embeds list
15:10.30nevcairielif you dont
15:10.39nevcairieljust call LibStub("AceTimer-3.0"):embed(MyAddon)
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15:12.00Kajasoh.. not familiar with embeds.. time to go read.  Do I need to embed anytime I use an outside addon (or portions thereof) that reside in folders outside my own?
15:12.17nevcairieldepends on the addon/library really
15:12.39nevcairielyou can also call it directly
15:12.53nevcairielAceTimer.ScheduleTimer(MyAddon, callback, delay, arg)
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15:13.01nevcairiel(notice . instead of :)
15:13.53Kasothat sentance didnt parse right in my head, "notice . instead of <smile>" wuh?
15:14.06Kajaslol, took me a minute as well
15:14.12nevcairiellol
15:14.17nevcairiel. instead of :
15:14.19nevcairielplus bracers
15:14.39KajasWhich is the preferred method?
15:14.57nevcairielembeding, usually
15:15.07nevcairieljust looks cleaner to call self:ScheduleTImer
15:15.12Kajasand my final question on this... where do I embed.. at the start of the addon's lua file?
15:15.42Kajasso, to do self:ScheduleTimer, I have to embed AceTimer into my addon, right
15:15.43nevcairielyeah that works
15:15.57Fisker-hai
15:16.02Fisker-you cannot stop me
15:18.00*** kick/#wowuidev [Fisker-!i=jnw@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/cladhaire] by cladhaire (stopped)
15:18.30cladhairei didn't expect that to be that easy, I was hoping for more of a fight!
15:18.46Shirik~hug cladhaire
15:18.47purlACTION sneaks up on cladhaire and suddenly hugs cladhaire tightly
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15:19.20Fisker-atleast you don't devoice me like ckknight
15:19.20cladhaire<3 Fisker-
15:19.23cladhairehaha
15:19.23Fisker-when i don't have any voice
15:19.44Josh_Borkelol
15:19.50*** mode/#WoWUIDev [-o Fisker-] by cladhaire
15:19.55*** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Fisker-] by cladhaire
15:19.56ckknightyou keep up your lip and I will devoice you
15:20.01*** mode/#WoWUIDev [-o Fisker-] by cladhaire
15:20.09Fisker-ooh
15:20.12Fisker-if i was a bit faster
15:20.15Fisker-i could've devoiced you
15:20.16Fisker-but nooo
15:20.18lua_botstop fucking with him.. seriously!
15:20.23lua_botjackass
15:20.34Josh_Borkelol
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15:20.56Josh_BorkeFisker-: it's true, you had 6 seconds to do your magic and you failed
15:20.58Josh_Borkemiserably
15:21.03Fisker-i'm working!
15:21.13Josh_Borkeuh huh, then why are you chatting here?
15:21.24*** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Josh_Borke] by cladhaire
15:21.26*** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Josh_Borke] by cladhaire
15:21.29*** mode/#WoWUIDev [-o Josh_Borke] by cladhaire
15:21.33*** kick/#wowuidev [Josh_Borke!i=jnw@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/cladhaire] by cladhaire (too slow!)
15:21.36Fisker-because i'm too 1337
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15:21.46Josh_Borketoo slow to do what claddy waddy?
15:21.55lua_botits cool when people talk shit but cant pony up.
15:22.02lua_bot/meh ponies up!
15:22.35Josh_Borkewhat shit did i speak?  i merely agreed with fisker's own statement and made no assertions that i would be successful
15:22.39Josh_Borke:-P
15:22.41Josh_Borkeso suck it :-P
15:22.50lua_botYOUR MOM!
15:22.58lua_bot~lart Josh_Borke
15:22.58purlbreaks out the Hoover and sucks up Josh_Borke
15:23.05cladhaire~roulette
15:23.05purlACTION watches cladhaire pull the trigger:  Click!
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15:23.15lua_bot~roulette
15:23.15purlACTION watches lua_bot pull the trigger:  Click!
15:23.26Josh_Borke~roulette
15:23.26purlACTION watches josh_borke pull the trigger:  Click!
15:23.29Kasoif you took all of irc, i wonder what proportion of kicks would actually be used seriously
15:23.30cladhaireooh
15:23.37cladhaireKaso: hehe
15:23.37Tekkubhrm.... I should get up early more often
15:24.07ANTRat~roulette
15:24.08purlACTION watches antrat pull the trigger:  Click!
15:24.30Josh_Borkelua> print("~lart cladhaire")
15:24.30lua_botJosh_Borke: ~lart cladhaire
15:24.41lua_bot~lart Josh_Borke
15:24.41purlgrabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats Josh_Borke until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with
15:24.42ckknight~roulette
15:24.42purlACTION watches ckknight pull the trigger:  BANG!
15:24.45ckknightaw :-(
15:24.46cladhaire=(
15:24.48nevcairiellol
15:24.50Josh_Borkelol
15:24.52ckknightI diededed
15:25.10Tekkubyou know... I used to hate purl...
15:25.20cladhaireanyone here play ikariam on epsilon?
15:25.24cladhairei need more cultural treaties
15:25.26ckknightcladhaire: delta here
15:25.43cladhairei have a delta empire as well, but i dont do much more than upgrade the saw mill over and over again
15:25.44cladhairelol
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15:25.45Josh_Borkecladhaire: wtf are you talking about
15:26.18Josh_Borkewtf is this game
15:26.24nevcairiela browsergame
15:26.31Josh_Borkebrowsergames are the best
15:26.37Josh_Borkeexcept the ones clad plays
15:26.50cladhaireTRYE
15:26.53cladhaireTRUE
15:26.54cladhaireso
15:26.57cladhairelets start a bbs
15:27.00cladhaireand play LORD again
15:27.01Josh_Borkek
15:27.03cladhairecuz.. i <3 lord
15:27.07Josh_Borkewtf is LORD?
15:27.16cladhaireLegend of the Red Dragon
15:27.17durcynlegend of the red dragon
15:27.24durcynone of the single best door games ever
15:27.27cladhaireonly the bestest door game eVAR!
15:27.46durcyni used to have a registered copy somewhere, hrm
15:27.46Josh_Borkewtf is a door game...
15:27.50Josh_Borkegd you people are old
15:27.59cladhaireflirting with violet was my favorite imo
15:28.07cladhaire~wiki Legend of the Red Dragon
15:28.11durcynviolet was pretty hot for text
15:28.14Josh_Borkeyea, yea, i'm reading
15:28.16TekkubI think they're just waking shit up
15:28.25Josh_Borkewaking or making?
15:28.37Josh_Borkeuse your index tek, not your middle finger :-P
15:28.38Tekkubeven took the time to make a wikipedia page so it look real
15:28.55Tekkubfuck you, it's early
15:28.56Josh_Borkesometimes i forget you use dvorak
15:29.01Tekkuband m is right next to w
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15:29.18cladhairelol
15:29.18Josh_Borkeno shit sherlock, that's what i said!
15:29.23Tekkubokey I hate purl again
15:29.53Josh_Borkesomething is wrong with wowi
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15:30.03Josh_Borkemy ads say: "Loading...... AdDynamix"
15:31.17nevcairielget a premium account for less ads imho
15:31.21nevcairielalso, refresh your DNS
15:31.26Josh_Borkeneva!
15:31.32Josh_Borkepoor college student getting mairred
15:31.35Josh_Borkei even quit wow!
15:31.44cladhairefreenode needs gameserv imo
15:31.57LopeppeppyHmm?
15:34.13Josh_Borkecladhaire: i can't come join you on epsilon :-(
15:37.19Shirikgameserv?
15:42.08cladhaireJosh_Borke: why not?
15:42.17Josh_Borkewon't let me register :-(
15:42.18cladhaireShirik: yeah, provides a bunch of different games?
15:42.21cladhaireboo
15:42.26Josh_Borkeoh wells, lunch time, i'll try from home
15:42.33DARKGuyWhat is gameserv? :(
15:42.38DARKGuydoes it let you play War3? :D
15:44.09cladhairehah
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15:56.07JoshBorkehuh, forgot to log out here
15:58.05JoshBorkeapparently my password was too short
15:59.18JoshBorkei have a town now clad :-D
16:00.56cladhairehuzzah
16:01.02JoshBorkebut i have no idea what to do
16:01.06JoshBorkeHALP MEH!
16:01.11cladhairehehe you can read the help, but its pretty self explanatory
16:01.20JoshBorkei'm building an academy atm
16:01.22cladhairelemme know when you have an embassy and you can join our alliance!
16:01.27cladhairebuidl warehouse next
16:01.30cladhaireand click "Show Island"
16:01.34cladhaireand make sure you get people working at the saw mill
16:01.36Ackisaoc?
16:01.36cladhaireto get you woods
16:02.20JoshBorkeoh, now i get it
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16:06.10cog|workcan someone in the eu post this http://cogwheel.pastey.net/89442 in reply to http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=4357487366 ?
16:06.38nevcairielsure
16:06.42cog|workty
16:06.48nevcairiellol moderator
16:06.50nevcairielheh
16:07.03cladhairedone
16:07.06cladhairehttp://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=4357487366&postId=43568075204&sid=1#16
16:07.10nevcairieldamn you clad
16:07.26cladhairewin!
16:07.28cog|worknevcairiel: won't do any good
16:07.34cog|workhe's already damned afaik...
16:07.36cog|work;)
16:08.03cladhairedepends on who you ask!
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16:08.50cladhaireyay!
16:08.54cladhairefunction calls in Tiabal work!
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16:09.46DARKGuyModerator, haha.
16:09.54DARKGuyI'll moderate your macros! /ban
16:12.37wereHamsterhm, I'm not sure how xdamage and opengl are supposed to interact with each other
16:12.43wereHamsteroops, sorry
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16:14.51dylanmcladhaire: Tiabal?
16:15.02cladhaire"This is another bullshit academic language
16:15.04cladhaire"
16:15.29dylanmOh are you writing one? How fun.
16:15.37cladhaireyeah i needed it for my research
16:15.44dylanmIt's fun!
16:16.06dylanmLet me say the word "fun" a couple more times.
16:16.09dylanmAnd then I'll be done.
16:23.31JoshBorkelol clad
16:23.53JoshBorkejust make sure it doesn't require copious amounts of parenthesis and it will be fine :_D
16:24.14cladhaire<3 scheme/lisp
16:24.50JoshBorke</3 scheme
16:24.56JoshBorke~diaf scheme
16:24.57purlACTION covers scheme in gas and drops a match.
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16:26.17cladhaire~fib 27
16:26.42cladhairelua> fib(x) if x == 0 or x == 1 then return 1 else return fib(x-2)+fib(x-1) end; print(fib(27))
16:26.43lua_botcladhaire: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'fib' (a nil value)
16:26.50cladhairelua> function fib(x) if x == 0 or x == 1 then return 1 else return fib(x-2)+fib(x-1) end; print(fib(27))
16:26.50lua_botcladhaire: luabot:1: 'end' expected near '<eof>'
16:26.52cladhairei hate you
16:26.55cladhairelua> function fib(x) if x == 0 or x == 1 then return 1 else return fib(x-2)+fib(x-1) end end; print(fib(27))
16:26.56lua_botcladhaire: 317811
16:26.57JoshBorkeyou fail
16:27.00JoshBorke~fail cladhaire
16:27.01purlcladhaire, you Fail!
16:27.01cladhairei do fail!
16:27.03cladhairei get the same answer
16:27.08cladhaireand it only takes 27 seconds to calculate it!
16:27.16JoshBorkelol
16:29.01ckknightlua> fib = setmetatable({[0]=0;[1]=1}, {__index=function(self, key) self[key] = self[key-2] + self[key-1] return self[key], __call=function(self, key) return self[key] end}); print(fib(27))
16:29.01lua_botckknight: luabot:1: 'end' expected near '='
16:29.08foxlitI keep on wanting to put () after #
16:29.23foxlit#t.subTable vs #(t.subTable)
16:29.23cladhaireheh
16:29.31ckknightfib = setmetatable({[0]=0;[1]=1}, {__index=function(self, key) self[key] = self[key-2] + self[key-1] return self[key] end, __call=function(self, key) return self[key] end}); print(fib(27))
16:29.43ckknightlua> fib = setmetatable({[0]=0;[1]=1}, {__index=function(self, key) self[key] = self[key-2] + self[key-1] return self[key] end, __call=function(self, key) return self[key] end}); print(fib(27))
16:29.43lua_botckknight: 196418
16:29.44cladhaireckknight: wanted to use the same method that i use in tiabal, but <3 the mt version
16:29.55ckknighthehe
16:29.59ckknightI like metatables
16:30.06ckknightbut wtf, why do we have such different answers?
16:30.10ckknightoh
16:30.15cladhairebecause my definition was wrong
16:30.18cladhaireintentionally :P
16:30.19ckknightah, yea
16:30.23ckknightfib(0) = 0, not 1
16:30.24cladhairei carried the mistake over
16:30.27cladhaire*nod*
16:30.30ckknightok then
16:30.43cladhairei was testing composite condition expressions
16:30.44ckknightlua> fib = setmetatable({[0]=0;[1]=1}, {__index=function(self, key) self[key] = self[key-2] + self[key-1] return self[key] end, __call=function(self, key) return self[key] end}); print(fib(28))
16:30.44lua_botckknight: 317811
16:30.50ckknightyea, that's the answer you got
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16:32.35ckknightlua> fib = setmetatable({[0]=0;[1]=1}, {__index=function(self, key) self[key] = self[key-2] + self[key-1] return self[key] end, __call=function(self, key) return self[key] end}); print(fib(394))
16:32.36lua_botckknight: luabot:1: C stack overflow
16:32.39ckknightaw
16:32.45ckknightlua> fib = setmetatable({[0]=0;[1]=1}, {__index=function(self, key) self[key] = self[key-2] + self[key-1] return self[key] end, __call=function(self, key) return self[key] end}); print(fib(300))
16:32.46lua_botckknight: 2.2223224462942e+62
16:32.50ckknight:-P
16:32.53cladhaireheh
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16:33.39cog|worki did that for a programming test in an interview
16:33.40schnoggoyup
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16:34.23cog|workthey didn't even specify that it was the fib sequence they just said write a program in any language to continue this sequence: 1, 1, 2, 3, 5...
16:34.39cladhaireheh bastages
16:34.52nevcairiellol
16:35.09cog|workwell i showed them :P
16:35.27JoshBorkedid you start at 5?
16:35.37cladhaireYOUR MOM STARTED AT 5
16:35.38JoshBorkefib[5] = 0; fib[6] = 1? :-D
16:35.38cladhairepwnt.
16:35.41schnoggoif they would have told you it was a Fibonacci, you could have looked up. :)
16:35.42JoshBorkewtf cladhaire
16:35.44cog|workJoshBorke: the question was paraphrased :P
16:35.46JoshBorkewhy do you have to be like that?
16:35.49cladhairecuz.
16:35.51cladhairekthx.
16:35.53JoshBorkewhy can't you be more civilized like cog|work
16:35.58cog|workschnoggo: comp had no internet :P
16:35.58JoshBorkeyou should really grow up cladhaire
16:36.06cladhaireno spanks!
16:36.29schnoggoi remember looking things up in books... or perhaps that was all a horrible dream
16:36.30cladhaireonly 23 seconds to calculate fib(30)
16:36.31cladhairelol
16:36.43ckknightfib = setmetatable({[0]=0;[1]=1}, {__index=function(self, key) if key > 50 then self(math.floor(key^0.5)); self(key - math.floor(key^0.5)) end self[key] = self[key-2] + self[key-1] return self[key] end, __call=function(self, key) return self[key] end}); print(fib(10000))
16:36.47ckknightlua> fib = setmetatable({[0]=0;[1]=1}, {__index=function(self, key) if key > 50 then self(math.floor(key^0.5)); self(key - math.floor(key^0.5)) end self[key] = self[key-2] + self[key-1] return self[key] end, __call=function(self, key) return self[key] end}); print(fib(10000))
16:36.47lua_botckknight: inf
16:36.54ckknight:-P
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16:37.10cladhairealthough apparently i haven't implemented enough in order to run quicksort yet
16:37.11cladhaireheh
16:37.16schnoggoyou scared the luabot!
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16:38.43cladhairei ned to go tot he library to pick up my book
16:38.49cladhairebut i'm gonna wait to see if the second one gets there too
16:39.15JoshBorke~lart cladhaire
16:39.15purlputs on a hockey mask and jumps out at cladhaire
16:41.01ckknightlua> fib = setmetatable({[0]=0;[1]=1}, {__call=function(self, key) return self[key] end, __index=function(self, key) local a, b = self[#self-1], self[#self]; for i = #self, key do a, b = b, a+b; self[i] = a; end; return self[key]; end}); print(fib(1476))
16:41.01lua_botckknight: 1.3069892237634e+308
16:41.28JoshBorkeyou can do it ckknight!
16:41.33ckknightlol
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16:42.05ckknightthat's the biggest non-inf number
16:42.25ckknightlua> fib = setmetatable({[0]=0;[1]=1}, {__call=function(self, key) return self[key] end, __index=function(self, key) local a, b = self[#self-1], self[#self]; for i = #self, key do a, b = b, a+b; self[i] = a; end; return self[key]; end}); print(fib(10000000))
16:42.25lua_botckknight: not enough memory
16:42.28ckknightaw.
16:42.31nevcairiellua> fib = setmetatable({[0]=0;[1]=1}, {__call=function(self, key) return self[key] end, __index=function(self, key) local a, b = self[#self-1], self[#self]; for i = #self, key do a, b = b, a+b; self[i] = a; end; return self[key]; end}); print(fib(1476)+1)
16:42.31lua_botnevcairiel: 1.3069892237634e+308
16:42.34nevcairielowned
16:42.35nevcairiel:P
16:42.49ckknightnevcairiel: I mean that you can get out of the fibonacci sequence.
16:42.58nevcairielyou should say that, then!
16:43.00Ackislua> reutrn 1.3069892237634e+308
16:43.01lua_botAckis: luabot:1: '=' expected near '1.3069892237634e+308'
16:43.07Ackisdamn I failed
16:43.12ckknightlua> fib = setmetatable({[0]=0;[1]=1}, {__call=function(self, key) return self[key] end, __index=function(self, key) local a, b = self[#self-1], self[#self]; for i = #self, key do a, b = b, a+b; self[i] = a; end; return self[key]; end}); print(fib(100000))
16:43.12lua_botckknight: inf
16:43.17nevcairielyeah you typo'ed return
16:43.24nevcairielno wonder that you get so many dry-code errors
16:43.34ckknightthat's what I was thinking
16:43.44Ackislmao
16:43.46Ackiswow
16:44.02Ackisnev, those errors or disappearing when I use luac :P
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16:49.49cladhairewow, the output of my run is really easy to read
16:49.49cladhairehttp://cladhaire.pastey.net/89444
16:50.09JoshBorkeclad
16:50.14LopeppeppyYou owe me new glasses, cladhaire!  :P
16:50.15JoshBorkewhat did i tell you about parenthiesis?
16:50.17JoshBorke~fail cladhaire
16:50.18purlcladhaire: FAIL!
16:50.21cladhaireJoshBorke: haha
16:50.25cladhairethose aren't mine
16:50.26cladhairei promise :P
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16:51.40cladhaireit worked tho, it quicksorted the list
16:51.40cladhaire[(1,Num 1),(2,Num 2),(3,Num 3),(4,Num 4),(5,Num 5),(6,Num 6),(7,Num 7),(8,Num 8),(9,Num 9)
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16:59.14cladhairefacebook chat in adium
16:59.15cladhaireis the devil
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17:06.37KasoWhy does windows want me to re activiate ><
17:06.44Josh_Borke~lart cladhaire
17:06.44purlmakes a balloon animal out of cladhaire
17:07.14cladhairedoes anyone think we can convince timriker to blacklist Josh_Borke from using lart?
17:07.34Josh_Borkei forgot my ikariam password already
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17:09.16clad|awayhaha
17:09.21clad|awaymake sure you have the right world selected
17:09.33Josh_Borkeno like, i actually forgot it
17:09.38Josh_Borkei was thinking about it on the way back to work
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17:09.59Josh_Borkebut, that's been fixed
17:10.09Josh_Borkenow give me some wood so i can upgrade my town :-(
17:10.27clad|awayhaha
17:10.36clad|awayyou'll have to send me a message so i know where you are
17:10.42Josh_Borkewho are you?
17:10.44clad|awaysearch for me on the high scores thingy
17:10.46clad|awaycladhaire
17:10.47clad|awayshockingly
17:10.55Josh_Borkeyou'll never guess me!
17:11.16Josh_Borkehm
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18:13.22DARKGuyWe blocked Facebook @ work
18:13.28DARKGuyit's fun, even the boss is asking WTF happened
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18:13.59wereHamsterwhat's facebok?
18:14.18|Jelly|think myspace
18:14.51LopeppeppyYuppers.
18:14.58wereHamstermyspace is one of the _worst_ things that happened to the internet
18:15.02LopeppeppyI'm required to use Facebook for work, how's that for a WTF
18:15.19DARKGuyWTF?
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18:15.26Lopeppeppy*nod*  Alumni networking
18:15.30DARKGuyDo you work at Facebook? :P
18:16.00LopeppeppyNope, although someone in this channel has said before that they're affiliated with Facebook, I don't remember who.
18:16.18DARKGuyo.O interesting
18:16.26Fisker-wereHamster correction, social networking is one of the _WORST_ things that happened to the internet
18:16.27DARKGuyWell we blocked it because they were chatting more than working :P
18:16.41Lunessa... skidoosh!
18:16.41DARKGuyFisker-: get the hell outta here, we're being social :(
18:16.55DARKGuyIRC is a social network :D
18:16.56sylvanaar_worki'm goofing off
18:16.58wereHamsterFisker-: that's why I still refuse to use any of such websites
18:17.08DARKGuythe websites are retarded
18:17.30Fisker-the bad thing is that these websites are even spreading in other fields
18:17.32Fisker-like movies
18:17.34DARKGuyI always get flooded with hi5, twitter, facebook, lookatmyface, clickhere, whatever, omgImhot, and stuff like that
18:17.48Fisker-can't go 5 minutes without seeing some movie referencing a HIP AND POPULAR WEBSERVICE OMG
18:17.56DARKGuyand people don't get that if you don't join is because you don't want to -.-"
18:18.03DARKGuyXD
18:18.05Fisker-LOLOL I SAID GOOGLE DO I GET 10/10 ON IMDB NOW?
18:18.09zenzelezzI've never been to Facebook, del.icio.us, Twitter; once or twice to MySpace... I shun these things
18:18.17sylvanaar_worki dont use any of those stupid sites
18:18.26DARKGuyman, MySpace is worse than the Acid3 test
18:18.30zenzelezzHAY GUYSE LOOK WUT IM DOING RIGHT NOW
18:18.38DARKGuyit's the bermuda triangle for web browsers
18:18.51Dashkalhmmm... I wonder if anybody has written a greasemonkey script to filter out all those annoying "digg this article" and related buttons...
18:19.04DARKGuylet's dig digg :D
18:19.12DARKGuydig digg to hell!
18:19.26Fisker-dig a greasemonkey script that filters out digg
18:19.56Fisker-the fact these sites can ruin lives is just mindboggling
18:20.19DARKGuymake a digg farm company
18:20.20Fisker-i lol'd at the guy whose girlfriend thought he was gay because 4chan "hacked" his account and put up gay pictures
18:20.27Fisker-though obviously it was probably an excuse for something else
18:20.28Fisker-hoho
18:20.37DARKGuyrofl
18:20.45DashkalYou'd think she might have a clue...
18:20.46DARKGuy4chan is like outlands
18:20.57Fisker-in b4 kd3
18:21.27Lunessa4chan is Barrens chat... with no EULA, no Mature Language Filter, and no /ignore feature.
18:22.05kd3say wha?
18:22.05Fisker-aren't you that jerk that goes "Yeeeeeeeeees"?
18:22.05Fisker-:P
18:22.08Fisker-i.e. aren't you the one who always correct "Outlands" to "Outland"?
18:22.17kd3nah
18:22.34kd3I'm the "What the hell is slabs?" guy
18:22.41Fisker-http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=4357308370&sid=1#4 <-btw :D
18:22.48Fisker-he must be pretty stupid
18:23.00Fisker-"Please blizzard i was banned unfairly, reduce my ban"
18:23.04Fisker-3 replies later
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18:23.08Fisker-"Fuck you finnish guy"!
18:23.43Fisker-so the GM gave him another ban to dispute :P
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20:01.50erikddoes anyone know what the first parameter of a SPELL_CAST_START means? the description on wowwiki (spelld) doesn't seem to make sense in that case but it's definitely a different number for different people
20:01.50erikd6/7 19:02:07.273  SPELL_CAST_START,0x000000000087FBDB,"Msdrood",0x511,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,26980,"Regrowth",0x8
20:01.50erikdlike that one for example, i don't know where 26980 comes from
20:03.00dylanmerikd: http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=26980
20:03.44erikdahhh, i see. thanks :)
20:04.15dylanmI don't know what you thought spellIds were.
20:04.44erikdi misread, i saw it as spelld and thought it was short for spelldamage or something
20:04.44erikdi missed the I in there :)
20:05.26ScytheBlade1You know, I never realized how big WoWI was until I clicked over to the forums and saw "Currently Active Users: 2653 (93 members and 2560 guests)"
20:05.26NightHawkTheSaneoh for the love of...
20:05.53NightHawkTheSanei was leveling up weapons on the unkillable mobs in the blasted lands, right?
20:05.53ShirikScytheBlade1: look at the record :)
20:05.53NightHawkTheSanewhen some alliance come along.. and click on the little thing to actually kill him. ><
20:06.15NightHawkTheSanefuckers. ><
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20:07.05ScytheBlade1Shirik: that's also a pretty big record
20:07.05EsamynnNightHawkTheSane: teach you for torturing the poor trapped spirits
20:07.15Thunder_Childis it just me, or is freenode doing a lot more spliting than a while back?
20:07.20ShirikI believe that was the day after 2.3
20:07.24Lunessajust you
20:07.34ShirikThunder_Child: Wouldn't be surprised if it's the new upgrades, really. Still working out all the kinks and such
20:07.43ScytheBlade1I believe it
20:07.53Shiriksorry, 2.4 not 2.3
20:08.14NightHawkTheSaneEsamynn: pfft. I was giving them something to DO other than stand around the blasted land ALL DAY LONG. they should be greatful!
20:08.18NightHawkTheSanegrateful*
20:08.20Esamynnlol
20:08.22NightHawkTheSanewow, dumb typo
20:08.28ScytheBlade1We'll see how much traffic 3.0 brings ;)
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20:14.24cog|workkd3: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7116271969&pageNo=1&sid=1#3
20:14.40NightHawkTheSaneDARKGuy: there are just some things that you shouldn't admit to.
20:14.47DARKGuyNightHawkTheSane: :(
20:14.54DARKGuyBut you're Sane, I'm not :D
20:15.10kd3http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/2892/findstickiesv5lu7.jpg
20:15.14NightHawkTheSanetouché, salesman.
20:15.15kd3my live account's not active atm
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20:17.05DARKGuykd3: who cares about stickies? I <3 the wallpaper!!
20:17.29kd3I've got a bunch of those, but some of his work is most definately not work/forum-safe
20:18.53DARKGuy:( can you share? my work is safe XD
20:19.19kd3google "Range murata". it'll be faster than me trying to upload
20:19.56DARKGuyAh, I thought it was kinda private :P
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20:20.45DARKGuySweet images :o
20:21.14DARKGuyI actually made a custom cover for my last exile DVDs with one of those images, didn't know it was from Murata o,o
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20:23.20Fisker-WINDMILLS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY GOOD NIGHT
20:23.32Thunder_Child~lart Fisker-
20:23.32purltakes a big bite out of Fisker-'s jugular vein
20:25.00DARKGuy~lart Thunder_Child
20:25.00purldoes a little 'dpkg -P Thunder_Child' action
20:25.06DARKGuyrofl
20:26.45ScytheBlade1And now for something 100% tedious
20:26.57ScytheBlade1Renaming, tagging, and labeling several hundred FLAC titles
20:27.30ScytheBlade1I don't move it into my music directory until I do that
20:27.56kd3du -hs new-unsorted/
20:27.56kd360G     new-unsorted/
20:28.04ScytheBlade1And I've got another... 22GB to tag and rename
20:28.22ScytheBlade1That's probably some video too though, right?
20:28.22Thunder_Child~bzfrag DARKGuy
20:28.22purlACTION destroys DARKGuy with a guided missile
20:28.41kd3ya, only ~2 gigs of music in there right now
20:28.51ScytheBlade1This is all audio, no video, no software
20:28.52ScytheBlade1Just audio
20:29.04DARKGuy:(
20:29.07ScytheBlade11146 files all told
20:29.08Kirovmostly porn .pngs
20:29.14ScytheBlade1lol
20:29.33ScytheBlade1Lunessa: 50DKP minus is like... three months of raiding over here =[
20:29.55LunessaMaybe next time you won't be d/ling pr0n while raiding!
20:29.56kd3loot council++
20:30.09Fisker-fuck you Lunessa
20:30.14Fisker-http://www.steamgames.com/v/index.php?area=app&AppId=18000
20:30.16Fisker-if i had waited
20:30.21LunessaNah, Youhave all the wrong plumbing.
20:30.22Fisker-this is all your fault
20:30.25ScytheBlade1I kinda wish we did loot council. But the guild is... fairly fluid
20:30.40LunessaPA is the shiz.
20:31.02ScytheBlade1I laughed more in the first 10 minutes of that game than I have in quite a while.
20:31.10ScytheBlade1"NEVER store this next to your armor collection."
20:31.20kd3oh wow... it's on steam? kinda surprised
20:31.26ScytheBlade1Oh wait
20:31.27ScytheBlade1Steam, wow
20:31.52ScytheBlade1I'm honestly not too surprised
20:32.02ScytheBlade1Considering that Steam kinda syndicates their comic ;P
20:32.06Thunder_Childi like the game, but $20 is to much for an ep type game
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20:32.21DARKGuy</3 Steam
20:32.21ScytheBlade1It was a lot shorter than I would have liked.
20:32.27DARKGuylong live boxed games
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20:33.36KasoJonathan Coultons coming to my city on my birthday in october! so awesome
20:33.38Lunessa$20 is a movie and a drink.
20:34.00Thunder_ChildLunessa, thats why i never buy anything at theaters
20:34.13Thunder_Childexcpet for tickets that is
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20:34.20LunessaI'm too damned lazy to smuggle in a drinks.
20:34.36Kirov$20 is like a ticket and a free cup of water >.<
20:34.54Thunder_Childaround here it's ~$12 for a movie
20:34.57Fisker-i was swindled
20:35.04NightHawkTheSaneKirov: $20 is like the gas to GET to the movie theatre. >.>
20:35.08LunessaI exaggerated only slightly.
20:35.10ScytheBlade1There we go!
20:35.20Fisker-i am going to spam them until they give in and make us authenticate the game over steam instead
20:35.37KirovA friend of mine's mom had this gigantic purse she took with her to the movies.  We'd stuff a 6 pack of coke, 2 pre-popped bags of popcorn, some twizzlers and some reeses peices in there.
20:35.44LunessaIf I want to see a real movie, and not some IMAX tourist thing at Moody Gardens, I have to drive 30 miles.
20:36.45Thunder_Childi can walk to 2 diff theaters in ~5 min or a much nicer/bigger one in ~15
20:37.59LunessaIt's the same theater I used to walk to before moving.  Sadly, it's still the closest theater.
20:38.13Thunder_Child30 miles? wow
20:39.07KirovI can walk 10 minutes to a crappy theatre that shows movies from 6 months ago or indy flics, or I can drive 5 to a 20 screen theatre next to a fuddruckers
20:39.10LunessaIn Texas, everything is 30 miles from everything else.
20:39.42Thunder_Childi havent been to a fuddruckers in years...
20:39.58KirovLunessa - not everything.  I bet you can find a bug large than an inch long, a shotgun, and a truck all by looking out your window.
20:40.18LunessaHell, I don't even have to look out my window.
20:40.19Thunder_Childand a dog
20:40.23ScytheBlade1lol
20:40.35KirovAnd quite possibly a cowboy hat.
20:40.44Thunder_Childattached to a cowboy
20:41.00KirovNot always
20:41.31LunessaNo, more likely to see a ball cap.
20:41.44KirovThere's one place I stopped at while driving through Texas that was a gas station, a subway sandwich place and 5 houses.  There was nothing else for an hour in either direction.
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20:42.36KirovAlso high on the list, something with a star on it, most likely NOT an american flag.
20:43.16LunessaUsually a Texaco station. :P
20:43.29clad|awayJosh_Borke: I DO I PROMISE!
20:43.49Thunder_Childsomeone take clad's drugs away from him
20:44.02clad|awayits just al-ki-hol tonight
20:44.08clad|awayJosh_Borke: are you on .org or .com?
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20:45.13Fisker-You forgot one thing
20:45.15clad|awaythis is not a trick question
20:45.23Fisker-It's not a crime to murder you Lunessa
20:45.36LunessaIt's a public service.  Bitches.
20:45.39ScytheBlade1Hmm
20:45.47ScytheBlade1I need to drop a gigabit NIC in this other box
20:46.05ScytheBlade1Moving 22GB over 100mbit sucks, mostly when the switch and current box are all gigabit
20:46.11Fisker-<-sleeptiems
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21:00.16hi11ieis there any reason why doing something like retOK, ret1 = pcall(loadstring([[lua code]])); would be bad?
21:02.20ScytheBlade1That was far too much effort just for another green light on the switch. I spent probably 10 minutes trying to get the screw into the stupid PCI slot.
21:02.21foxlitdefine bad
21:02.26ScytheBlade1hi11ie: 'depends'
21:04.04ScytheBlade1I take that back. 30MB/sec write vs. 8MB/sec write
21:04.31Josh_Borkecladhaire: org
21:04.41cladhaireoh
21:04.42cladhairei'm sorry
21:04.43cladhairewe're on .com
21:05.11Josh_Borkei hate you
21:06.54hi11ieScytheBlade1: i'm trying to create one function that I can use to wrap code in a pcall without much fuss, so that i can catch the error
21:07.16hi11iedoesn't seem to like functions that get called with :
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21:07.44hi11ieunless i pass 'itself' into the first arg, which seems like really hard to do programmatically?
21:07.56Josh_Borkecladhaire: ok, i go home now, log in there and see if my first building is done
21:08.09Josh_Borkebai bai
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21:08.22foxlitFoo:Bar("slash") == select(2, pcall(Foo.Bar, Foo, "slash"))
21:08.29nevcairielhi11ie: object:func() == object.func(object)
21:08.29ScytheBlade1hi11ie: why not just alias the function as another local and pass that?
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21:08.34ScytheBlade1That too.
21:08.37foxlits/(Foo.Bar/(Foo/
21:08.44foxlitgrr
21:08.50foxlitoriginal was fine
21:08.54ScytheBlade1I suppose the technically correct way of doing things would be better than a local hack, yes.
21:10.52hi11ieyea i thought the original made more sense
21:12.12hi11iei'd like to make a function where you just do f(function, ...) and it handles the pcall with the object as arg1 etc.
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22:05.56Kaso"Mandelbrot Set" by jonathan coulton is awesome
22:06.17Kasoany song that has "You’re one badass fucking fractal " as a lyric has to be good
22:06.30foxlitapply that xkcd comic
22:06.50DashkalKaso: hell yes
22:06.51foxlitcoincidentally, Kaso is spying on my itunes :(
22:06.58KasoNightHawkTheSane which word did i say yes that pinged?
22:07.30Kasoah Jonathan
22:07.37KasoIm jonathan too, yay!
22:07.41NightHawkTheSane:P
22:08.09NightHawkTheSaneyeah, i have that set up to ping me, as I'm in another channel with some friends
22:08.36NightHawkTheSanewhich gets obnoxious when people talk about famous individuals named 'jon' or 'jonathan'
22:09.24foxlit#dailyshow, clearly
22:09.29Kasohah
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22:09.52NightHawkTheSanehehe
22:13.33foxlitAQ war event on PBS
22:13.48foxlitthey must've spent ages producing content :/
22:14.18foxlithttp://www.wowinsider.com/2008/06/11/pbs-covers-the-governments-intrusion-into-online-worlds
22:14.55Shirikfunny thing about today's xkcd comic is that it's the basis for some theroies on AI
22:15.40Shirikthe theory is that since biology is based on chemistry which is based on physics which is based on mathematics implies that a human brain should be able to be simulated with just numbers and calculations
22:15.59Shirikthere's a name for that theory I just can't think of it right now
22:17.41foxlitIt ends up in simulating physics
22:18.44Thunder_Childsure, as long as we have everything correct along the way
22:19.39Thunder_Childhah "Physics is to sex as math is to masturbation"
22:19.51foxlityou messed that up
22:20.03foxlitPhysics is to math as sex is to masturbation
22:20.40Thunder_Childso i did...meh, i like mine better
22:21.33foxlitObjectively, it's worse at conveying the original meaning
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22:39.52LunessaPhysics without math is like sex without love, frustrating and somehow unfulfilling.
22:41.51NajwaSo, math without physics is...?
22:44.06Kasomasturbating if you believe xkcd
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22:44.19Kasowhich is what i Lunessa was referening i presume
22:44.39LunessaMore or less.
22:45.09NajwaI thought you might compare it to love without sex, or celibacy.
22:45.16LunessaBut then, I'm terrible at math, and only took basic physics in High School.
22:46.06LunessaMathematics without Physics is probably like love without sex, nice, but pointless.
22:47.00LunessaInapplicable math is just mental masturbation.
22:47.33KasoMathematics without Physics == love without sex ? Sounds promising at first, but in the end you'll just up frustrated
22:47.48KasoLunessa, thats a semi-quote is it not?
22:48.09LunessaIt's very vaguely paraphrased from somewhere.
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23:21.46bleeterwoots! amd have release r600 instruction set!
23:22.00LopeppeppyIs that contagious?
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23:22.29ScytheBlade1Within the open source community
23:22.31ScytheBlade1Very
23:22.37bleetergod hope so, nvidia need to pull their finger out ;)
23:22.39ScytheBlade1It turns people almost rabid.
23:22.54LopeppeppyAnd yes, my nvidia card is driving me rabid, how could you tell?
23:23.37bleetermight just add it's an aussie who's been the driving force in opening the ATI set up :)
23:23.37wereHamsterdidn't amd to that like a year ago?
23:23.48bleeterwereHamster: iirc, that was R500
23:24.24LunessaBah.. Aussies.  Pushy gits with nasty beer and a chip on their shoulders. :P
23:25.48bleeterand r300
23:26.18LopeppeppyNo, I don't need any dip, thank you though.
23:26.50Lunessammmm... dip.  French onion.
23:27.03LopeppeppyYeah, on ripply-chips.
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23:32.28Lunessa... now I'm hungry.
23:34.04LopeppeppyMe too.
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23:46.19ShadowedAnyone know of a mod that skips the confirmation on buying out, and lets you just SHIFT + Click to buyout auctions? I know it's on wowi but can't seem to find it
23:46.40Shadowederr
23:46.42Shadowedwrong window!
23:48.19Thunder_Childthis is the wrong window?
23:49.17Shadowedwell, channel
23:49.42Thunder_Childeh, i knew what you meant
23:50.25bleeteri believe there's a new submodule for AuctioneerAdvanced that might to something like that, the easybuyout thingie
23:51.55Shadowedah so it does, thanks
23:52.55Kyahxhow is Auctioneer these days?  More efficent?
23:53.09Guillotinetastes slightly more like pie than it used to
23:53.23Kyahxinteresting :0
23:53.25Kyahx:)*
23:53.53Guillotineit was never really super inefficient. Just has a hell of a lot of data it needs to store
23:54.02Kyahxtrue
23:54.19KyahxI havent used it in well over a year (maybe even two)
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23:55.36bleeterquite a bit more efficient these days
23:55.59bleeterstill working with blizz to make it moreso, as not a small amount of their processing is a direct result of auctioneer's scanning and stuf
23:56.04ScytheBlade1I started using it, now that it's *all* load on demand
23:56.28KyahxLoD you say, that may be the makings of win
23:56.32bleeterthe 'getall' stuff introduced a li'l while ago by blizz is still broken, just not as broken as it was on it's first release
23:56.33KyahxI'll give it another shot
23:56.40ScytheBlade1Well, with the exception of a ~1-2MB addon that is loaded to give you tooltip data
23:56.52ScytheBlade1But the massive "lol 30MB" is only there when it needs to be
23:57.01bleeterAAdv's still in alpha, some stuff's touch and go, but by and large for stuffs it's good
23:57.17ScytheBlade1Good point, I'm using the advanced version
23:58.08bleeterKyahx: 'classic' is largely desupported, there's an emulated classic interface for those who don't like the new AAdv stuff, but the 'old' auctioneer you knew is well dead
23:58.14bleeteriirc
23:59.41DARKGuyIsn't there another auction addon that's not auctioneer? I'm kinda annoyed by blizz's standard auction interface

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