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| 00:03.41 | Drundia | digmouse, try to scan tooltips for some spells that are known to have it in description |
| 00:08.45 | Kirov | digmouse - as a note, you'll never be perfect because in many cases that text is entered by hand, and is sometimes wrong or in a different format. |
| 00:09.53 | Drundia | i believe all of them use the same string "Increases damage and healing done by magical spells and effects by up to $s1." or something similar |
| 00:10.09 | Kirov | ie: |
| 00:10.09 | Kirov | 25 spell + 15 spell crit |
| 00:10.10 | Kirov | vs |
| 00:10.10 | Kirov | +25 Spell Damage |
| 00:10.10 | Kirov | +15 Spell Crit Rating |
| 00:10.10 | Kirov | vs |
| 00:10.12 | Kirov | 25 Spell Damage and 15 Spell Crit Rating |
| 00:10.30 | Kirov | There's also a few like this |
| 00:10.41 | Kirov | (25 spell / 15 crit) |
| 00:10.51 | Drundia | mostly green stats with similar effects have the same text |
| 00:11.20 | Drundia | of course there are random-suffixed greens and enchants |
| 00:11.51 | Kirov | enchants are a big evil, but the random suffixed greens are actually generated (the only ones that are) |
| 00:12.32 | Drundia | i don't into what spells i have to look to find out the text from random-suffixed greens |
| 00:12.41 | Drundia | but there is alternative way to determine their effects |
| 00:12.52 | Drundia | extracting suffix id and multiplier :) |
| 00:13.04 | Kirov | http://www.wowwiki.com/EnchantId |
| 00:13.12 | Drundia | yes that one |
| 00:13.18 | Kirov | http://www.wowwiki.com/ItemRandomSuffix |
| 00:14.03 | Kirov | Drundia - is the multiplier based off of ilevel, or is it encoded some how in to the uniqueid? |
| 00:14.15 | Kirov | I haven't dug in to the itemids much since 2.0 |
| 00:14.25 | Tekkub | textile is fun! |
| 00:14.26 | Tekkub | http://github.com/tekkub/addontemplate/tree/master |
| 00:14.27 | Kirov | (I wrote the original enchantid page though) |
| 00:14.33 | Drundia | i think wowwiki says somewhere that it's in uniqueid |
| 00:14.39 | Tekkub | now to get that autmatically uploading to WoWI when I tag... |
| 00:14.44 | Drundia | you and it with 0xFFFF |
| 00:15.24 | Drundia | http://www.wowwiki.com/ItemString#Scaled_Random_Suffixes |
| 00:16.12 | Kirov | Another page I originally wrote. heh |
| 00:16.32 | Kirov | shows how much I've kept up with it |
| 00:17.16 | digmouse | I hate those stats with several different description |
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| 00:53.31 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha @ flash vulerability |
| 00:53.41 | kd3 | indeed |
| 00:53.46 | ScytheBlade1 | That makes me all sorts of happy |
| 00:54.11 | Lopeppeppy | NoScript is my friend. |
| 00:54.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Not running flash is mine! |
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| 01:13.09 | kd3 | oh wow... they disabled the ability to post links in the forums |
| 01:14.49 | Lopeppeppy | Was waiting for them to get damn sick and tired of keyloggers and do that. |
| 01:16.51 | Cairenn | wait, what? |
| 01:17.16 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6864486401&sid=1 |
| 01:18.44 | Cairenn | ahhh, okay, they haven't gotten rid of the ability to post web addies, they just have to be copy & pasted |
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| 03:12.20 | Seerah | okay, I have a question for the smart people here... I get this error ( http://wowuidev.pastey.net/88587-2ddj ) with my addon, but only on my Druid - not on my mage. Any thoughts on why? Commenting out that event means that I do not get the error on my druid, but that is the only way I can look for portal casts on my mage... I could do if class = "MAGE" then registerevent.... I suppose, but why is it erroring in the first place? |
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| 03:20.10 | Tekkub | YATTA! Walmart has Kanka again! |
| 03:20.22 | Tekkub | yes... Im' that sad to celebrate cancer sore medicine |
| 03:20.48 | Tekkub | but... I've been using the same bottle for like 2 years now because the fuckers stopped carrying it and nothing else works as good |
| 03:22.52 | Tekkub | Seerah, you have some conditional that's making Broadcaster:UNIT_SPELLCAST_START not be defined on a druid, or does the registration only happen if you are a druid and the function's never defined |
| 03:24.19 | Seerah | I don't use that event on my druid. is that why it's erroring? |
| 03:24.21 | batrick | Friends don't let friends use Ace |
| 03:25.00 | Seerah | I have my events registered in the core file, and all other work done in modules |
| 03:25.07 | Seerah | (class modules) |
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| 03:41.16 | Tekkub | â« <--- "Dong sign" |
| 03:41.17 | Tekkub | I love it |
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| 03:42.36 | Olison | This means "Dong"? |
| 03:42.45 | Olison | â«le? -.- |
| 03:43.32 | Tekkub | â«â« Doubleended dong |
| 03:43.50 | Lopeppeppy | Tekkub, you are a bad monkey. |
| 03:43.58 | Tekkub | â«~ vibrating dong |
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| 03:44.51 | Tekkub | Iriel is a total â« |
| 03:45.17 | Iriel | loss? |
| 03:45.58 | Tekkub | you're â«-less? I'm sorry |
| 03:47.24 | ZenDarva | I've got a strange problem with SetPoint, even though i've specified "TOPLEFT", UI objects still seem to adjust their coordinates from "BOTTOMLEFT", I'm pretty sure I'm doing things right, judging from wowwiki, but i guess not. |
| 03:48.01 | Tekkub | "adjust their coordinates" ? |
| 03:49.06 | Seerah | tekkub, would it work best, then if I moved registering events into the class modules instead of having them in the core? if class ~= "MAGE" then return end function Broadcaster:OnEnable() Broadcaster:RegisterEvent("UNIT_SPELLCAST_START") end |
| 03:49.23 | ZenDarva | Right, it moves like it's attached to bottom left. If i do texture:SetPoint("TOPLEFT", "frame". "TOPLEFT" 10, 10), i'll wind up 10 points to the right of the left side of the frame, and 10 points above the bottom of it |
| 03:49.36 | Tekkub | you should register events where they are being used |
| 03:50.30 | Iriel | You may want to check the frame is where you think it is |
| 03:50.53 | Iriel | but that isn't necessarily an unexpected result |
| 03:51.08 | Iriel | you've asked for the top left corner of your texture to be 10 pixels to the right, and 10 pixels above, the top right corner of frame |
| 03:51.25 | Tekkub | you mean top left |
| 03:51.35 | Iriel | yes I do |
| 03:51.39 | Iriel | I thought left, typed right |
| 03:51.42 | ZenDarva | Oh lord, you're right. Bah. I feel dumb now. |
| 03:51.50 | Iriel | I've always had a problem with left and right, ever since i was young |
| 03:52.03 | ZenDarva | Guess i'll just have to multiply by *1 to get the numbers i actually want. |
| 03:52.04 | Tekkub | remember, the computer only does exactly what you tell it to |
| 03:52.11 | ZenDarva | err.. positions i actually want. |
| 03:52.32 | Iriel | Well, you can always pick different corners |
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| 03:52.40 | Iriel | you dont have to anchor the same point on both objects |
| 03:52.43 | Tekkub | Iriel, hold your hands out and make an 'L' with your thumb and pointer finger |
| 03:52.51 | Tekkub | that's the hand you should be picking your nose with |
| 03:53.46 | Seerah | thanks, tek :) |
| 03:54.31 | ZenDarva | Ehh, *-1 seems the simplest solution, since it puts the coordinates in the style i'm used to thinking of. |
| 03:55.09 | Iriel | ZenDarva: Oh, I see what you mean, yes -- if you had your origin in the wrong corner you'll want to compensate |
| 03:58.13 | ZenDarva | Thank you for the help. :D Works the way i wanted it to now. |
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| 04:01.29 | Shirik | wtf, why does ChanServ hate me |
| 04:01.43 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 04:01.57 | Shirik | like, I didn't get identified on any channels |
| 04:02.07 | Shirik | and there's no way to mass-rejoin |
| 04:02.49 | End | uh oh, my gold plated fruit fucker just escaped! |
| 04:02.50 | End | I think |
| 04:03.01 | End | or it burst into a wisp of smoke |
| 04:05.02 | Seerah | o.O |
| 04:05.20 | Lopeppeppy | Um. |
| 04:06.13 | End | it's the penny arcade game |
| 04:06.21 | Iriel | rolled a 20? |
| 04:06.30 | End | ah |
| 04:06.32 | End | is that it |
| 04:06.33 | Cairenn | heh |
| 04:06.39 | End | I guess I never rolled a 20 before! :( |
| 04:06.44 | Iriel | the fucker-in-a-jar explodes on a 20 |
| 04:06.55 | Lopeppeppy | *snark* |
| 04:06.58 | Lopeppeppy | Can I get one of those? |
| 04:07.05 | End | I had just beaten it, and I was looking at my "completed" game |
| 04:07.12 | End | and I started rolling the die |
| 04:07.34 | End | (I roll ones!) |
| 04:07.37 | End | (always) |
| 04:08.32 | End | or not, I just rolled a d20 IRL and got a 20 right off the bat |
| 04:08.56 | kd3 | the random number gods must be toying with you |
| 04:09.03 | End | must be |
| 04:09.08 | End | these are new dice though |
| 04:09.19 | End | I think I threw out my old ones when I was cleaning my apartment |
| 04:09.35 | End | (my old dice hated me) |
| 04:10.14 | bleeter | someone tried telling me the other day that the chances of getting blade's edge arena 50 times in a row was 33%... they wouldn't take me on at dice :'( |
| 04:11.02 | End | that seems very unlikely |
| 04:11.34 | End | now, if you had already managed 49 times in a row, once more isn't too bad |
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| 04:41.11 | Arrowmaster | End: i just rolled my d20 and got a 2 =( |
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| 04:53.05 | Muggles | Hey can someone help me with a macro prob |
| 04:54.16 | Muggles | Anyone here |
| 04:56.02 | Muggles | i was told to come here |
| 04:58.07 | Seerah | ~asktoask |
| 04:58.10 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 04:58.11 | Seerah | :) |
| 04:59.04 | Seerah | nighty night all |
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| 05:00.24 | Muggles | #showtooltip Shadowstep |
| 05:00.24 | Muggles | /console targetNearestDistance 41.000000 |
| 05:00.24 | Muggles | /targetenemy [noharm][dead] |
| 05:00.24 | Muggles | /console targetNearestDistance 10.000000 |
| 05:00.24 | Muggles | /cast [stealth] Shadowstep |
| 05:00.25 | Muggles | /cast [harm,nodead] Sap |
| 05:00.28 | Muggles | This is my macro |
| 05:00.40 | Muggles | Im trying to cast shadowstep b4 sap |
| 05:00.51 | Muggles | But it will only cast shadowstep |
| 05:01.00 | Muggles | I have to click it again to sap |
| 05:01.11 | Corrodias | does shadowstep start a global cooldown? i've never played a rogue past 19 |
| 05:01.13 | Muggles | How to i make it 1 button |
| 05:01.15 | Muggles | .-. |
| 05:01.20 | Muggles | NO |
| 05:01.23 | Muggles | No* |
| 05:02.00 | Muggles | i want to make shadowstep b4 sap but at the same time |
| 05:02.10 | Corrodias | alright, we can assume the target part works, or at least it gets past that. does it work if you take fof the [harm,nodead] condition temporarily? |
| 05:02.13 | Muggles | It just wont sap after the shadowstep |
| 05:02.16 | Muggles | Yes |
| 05:02.51 | Corrodias | it's probably because it's trying to cast Sap immediately, but the server hasn't responded to the shadowstep yet. that would be my guess, anyway. if possible, i'd test it by hitting it when you're already in position for a sap. |
| 05:02.51 | Muggles | I have a bunch |
| 05:03.03 | Muggles | I can take the no harm no dead off |
| 05:03.09 | Muggles | And it still does the same thing |
| 05:03.14 | Muggles | Only shadowsteps |
| 05:03.21 | Muggles | I have to spam the clicker to sap |
| 05:03.37 | Muggles | I come /castsequence |
| 05:03.44 | Corrodias | alright, give my last suggestion there a try and see if it saps |
| 05:03.45 | Muggles | Sorry can't spell |
| 05:04.05 | Corrodias | assuming you can shadowstep when you're next to the target already |
| 05:04.12 | Muggles | Yes |
| 05:04.16 | Muggles | I can |
| 05:04.37 | Corrodias | alright, give it a try when you're right behind an enemy and see whether it casts both |
| 05:04.48 | Muggles | okay |
| 05:06.07 | Muggles | Okay it works |
| 05:06.49 | Muggles | I ss then sapd |
| 05:06.53 | Muggles | With 1 clicker |
| 05:06.59 | Corrodias | then i'm going to say i'm probably right about it being an issue of timing. in that case, there will be no way to immediately cast Sap, because you're not actually in position by the time it tries to cast it. you'll have to keep it as two presses, or use different buttons or whatever. |
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| 05:07.32 | Corrodias | if anyone else has a suggestion, feel free to pipe in! but i think we're alone. |
| 05:07.37 | Muggles | Their is no way to delay |
| 05:07.50 | Muggles | The time after ss |
| 05:08.10 | Muggles | Like a few .2 sec or something |
| 05:08.14 | Muggles | For it to have time to register |
| 05:08.25 | Corrodias | yeah, there's no way to delay |
| 05:08.35 | Muggles | Well thats a bummer and a half |
| 05:08.46 | Corrodias | i believe you can technically lock up your UI for a while, making it do meaningless processing work. but i don't know whether that would make this situation work anyway. |
| 05:08.54 | Corrodias | and it would be pretty jarring |
| 05:09.58 | Corrodias | you can try it, if you want, with a /run of a function that wastes about 300ms of time between the /casts |
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| 05:10.20 | TecnoBrat | Adobe Flash exploit found today, already running wild on the net, specifically "password stealers", recommend everyone update their flash player |
| 05:10.37 | pastamancer | last I heard there wasnt' a fix yet |
| 05:11.15 | pastamancer | disabling flash or installing noscript helps though |
| 05:11.24 | Arrowmaster | and it wasnt today |
| 05:11.28 | Arrowmaster | it was yesterday |
| 05:12.29 | Corrodias | http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2008/05/adobe_flash_pla.html seems to think that it has been fixed for a month |
| 05:13.27 | TecnoBrat | its ... spotty news it looks like |
| 05:13.29 | Arrowmaster | different one |
| 05:13.29 | TecnoBrat | no one really knows |
| 05:13.32 | Arrowmaster | probably |
| 05:13.59 | Corrodias | i'm a little confused about how flashblock works. it seems to have a short delay before disabling the file. |
| 05:14.39 | pastamancer | http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/29386 |
| 05:14.42 | pastamancer | there's the info |
| 05:15.08 | Corrodias | why does it say "Retired:"? |
| 05:15.12 | TecnoBrat | its more complicated |
| 05:15.26 | pastamancer | maybe I got the wrong one |
| 05:15.38 | TecnoBrat | "It looks like they just jumped the gun and put it out a little bit too early without doing all the homework," he said of Symantec. "When we did our testing in the lab, the latest version completely fixes the issue: No crashes, no exploits, no nothing." |
| 05:16.20 | Muggles | Typing /run don't work either |
| 05:16.28 | pastamancer | oh damnit |
| 05:16.33 | Muggles | In the middle of /casts |
| 05:16.39 | pastamancer | that search wasn't for just bugtraq |
| 05:16.41 | TecnoBrat | http://www.symantec.com/security_response/threatcon/index.jsp |
| 05:17.02 | TecnoBrat | The malicious SWF file found in-the-wild has been found to affect Adobe Flash Player 9.0.115.0 and earlier, not the latest version 9.0.124.0. |
| 05:17.05 | Muggles | I wonder if i can use something like another action to delay it |
| 05:17.33 | TecnoBrat | again ... who knows the real story |
| 05:17.39 | TecnoBrat | sounds pretty mixed at the moment |
| 05:17.48 | TecnoBrat | updating is never a bad thing though, lol |
| 05:18.14 | Lukian | It's long been known that 115 (and earlier versions) have a severe security bug |
| 05:20.51 | Muggles | #showtooltip Shadowstep |
| 05:20.51 | Muggles | /console targetNearestDistance 41.000000 |
| 05:20.51 | Muggles | /targetenemy [noharm][dead] |
| 05:20.51 | Muggles | /console targetNearestDistance 10.000000 |
| 05:20.51 | Muggles | /cast [stealth] Shadowstep |
| 05:20.52 | Muggles | /cast sprint |
| 05:20.54 | Muggles | /cast [stealth] Sap |
| 05:20.59 | Muggles | Is my macro now |
| 05:21.10 | Muggles | It dors shadostep and spring at the same time |
| 05:21.20 | Muggles | Why is sap diff |
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| 05:21.49 | Corrodias | sprint doesn't require the shadowstep to finish first, is why |
| 05:21.54 | Corrodias | see, it's about lag: |
| 05:22.03 | Muggles | Sap dosn't either |
| 05:22.06 | pastamancer | ah, the register has an updated article on the whole flash ting http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/27/new_adobe_flash_vuln/ |
| 05:22.12 | Muggles | Sap isn't apart of shadowstep |
| 05:22.12 | Corrodias | it does, when you're not already behind the enemy |
| 05:22.29 | Corrodias | you tell it to cast shadowstep, the client sends the shadowstep command. the message is on its way, but the server hasn't yet responded. |
| 05:22.38 | Corrodias | you tell it to sap, but you can't, because your client doesn't think you're behind the enemy yet. |
| 05:22.50 | Muggles | o |
| 05:23.01 | Corrodias | for sprint, it doesn't care where you are |
| 05:23.07 | Muggles | But dosn't that work the say spring it |
| 05:23.11 | Muggles | sprint* |
| 05:23.15 | Lukian | "doesn't" |
| 05:23.25 | Muggles | i know |
| 05:23.51 | Muggles | Cuz you have to be behind the enemy to spring also |
| 05:24.13 | Corrodias | you keep saying Spring, but your macro says Sprint |
| 05:24.23 | Muggles | It shouldn't recognize that either |
| 05:24.24 | TecnoBrat | pastamancer, yea, so its a matter of Symantec testing in a stand-alone linux environment |
| 05:24.29 | TecnoBrat | and it workin |
| 05:24.31 | Corrodias | Sprint can be performed at any time, in any position |
| 05:24.35 | TecnoBrat | and they immediately yelled |
| 05:24.45 | Muggles | It will shadowstep and sprint at the same time |
| 05:24.45 | pastamancer | that's what it looks like |
| 05:24.53 | Muggles | But not sap |
| 05:25.00 | Muggles | Wouldent sap be the same thing |
| 05:25.13 | Muggles | Cuz it iisn't apart of shadowstep |
| 05:25.13 | Corrodias | indeed; because when the command to sprint comes, there's no reason it can't cast it. Sprint doesn't require you to be near an enemy. |
| 05:25.22 | Corrodias | ignore that 'indeed'; it was for a previous statement |
| 05:25.28 | Muggles | O |
| 05:25.30 | Muggles | I get it |
| 05:25.38 | Muggles | Thank you |
| 05:25.47 | Muggles | It will still work |
| 05:25.54 | Corrodias | np. unfortunately, that means i can't do anything to help you turn it into a single keypress. :( |
| 05:25.58 | Muggles | But i have to click it twice |
| 05:26.12 | Muggles | I like to use it with rogues |
| 05:26.30 | Muggles | Cuz shadowstep is faster cuz yourbehind the enemy b4 they sap you |
| 05:26.41 | Muggles | And you sap them withg another clicky |
| 05:27.29 | Corrodias | sounds convenient |
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| 05:31.33 | Muggles | Yes it is |
| 05:31.49 | Muggles | So funny |
| 05:31.53 | Muggles | Each time they say WTF |
| 05:32.03 | Muggles | Howcome you sap me first |
| 05:32.05 | Muggles | Alll the time |
| 05:41.31 | ZenDarva | Urgh. Why on earth is the texture for an empty slot in your bags a different size than the texture of an item that goes in your bag. *mutter* |
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| 07:02.26 | bleetah | oO http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7423184.stm |
| 07:02.40 | bleetah | wonder if that'd be 'automation' or allowed |
| 07:05.57 | Corrodias | nice |
| 07:06.29 | bleetah | i'm thinking a '3rd party' ban |
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| 07:21.57 | ZenDarva | Anyone here know anything about Ace? I can't seem to get AceComm-2.0 to load no matter what i try. |
| 07:22.22 | ZenDarva | And wow's error messages aren't being real helpful. |
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| 07:28.22 | ZenDarva | When i look in FrameXML.log i see: 5/29 02:27:02.750 Error loading Interface\AddOns\MultiBag\AceComm-2.0.lua |
| 07:28.22 | ZenDarva | 5/29 02:27:02.750 Interface\AddOns\MultiBag\MultiBag.lua:1: AceAddon: AceOO-2.0: Library "AceComm-2.0" does not exist. |
| 07:28.22 | ZenDarva | . But it doesn't explain WHAT error it's having loading, and the file is where i told it it is. |
| 07:28.32 | ZenDarva | Agg, that was longer than i thought it was, sorry. |
| 07:29.15 | Tem|sleep | don't use AceComm |
| 07:29.18 | Tem|sleep | it's evil |
| 07:29.25 | Tem|sleep | also, take a look at Ace3 |
| 07:29.32 | Tem|sleep | as most of Ace2 is also evil |
| 07:29.52 | Tem|sleep | not quite as soul-suckingly evil as AceComm, but evil none-the-less |
| 07:30.10 | Tem|sleep | puppy-kickingly evil, is about the level I'd put it |
| 07:30.27 | ZenDarva | Fun fun. |
| 07:31.08 | NightHawkTheSane | ... see, normally i wouldn't classify puppy kicking as evil |
| 07:31.20 | ZenDarva | Makes me glad i didn't use any Ace until i got to the point of needing some kind of communication. |
| 07:31.43 | Tem|sleep | do your comms yourself unless you need global channel communication |
| 07:32.13 | ZenDarva | Nope, just interparty communication. |
| 07:32.16 | Tem|sleep | the api is simple enough that there really isn't any reason to justify using a lib unless you're doing global channel stuff |
| 07:33.15 | ZenDarva | The serialization stuff is what grabbed me, i'm lookin at sending a fair chunk of data from time to time. I guess i can simplify though. |
| 07:33.22 | Tem|sleep | no |
| 07:33.34 | Tem|sleep | the serializationg crap is 60% of what makes it evil |
| 07:33.38 | Tem|sleep | ugh |
| 07:33.40 | ZenDarva | LoL |
| 07:33.44 | Tem|sleep | it's 2:30 am and I can't type |
| 07:34.08 | Tem|sleep | do it yourself |
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| 09:16.39 | Mikk | ZenDarva: If serialization is all you need, use AceSerializer from Ace3. It's standalone. |
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| 09:17.29 | Mikk | But like Tem said, unless you're serializing fairly complex data, it's more efficient to put together a format of your own |
| 09:18.11 | Mikk | string = AceSerializer:Serialize("hi",123,{key=val}) <- works fine |
| 09:19.02 | ZenDarva | Ehh, I'm already rolling my own simple serializer. I realized the data i need to send is a lot simpler than i thought it was. And i can reprocess it on the other side. |
| 09:19.03 | Mikk | then: status,mystring,mynumber,mytable = AceSerializer:Deserialize(string) |
| 09:19.09 | Mikk | Coolio |
| 09:20.07 | Mikk | But yeah you don't want to use AceComm2 either way. It _still_ fails to transmit lots of data >.< |
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| 09:22.21 | ZenDarva | Doesn't gatherer use acecomm2? |
| 09:24.08 | ZenDarva | I thought it did, and it seemed reasonably reliable while dual-boxing, that's why i was looking into it. |
| 09:24.16 | ZenDarva | Doesn't really matter now tho. |
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| 09:35.07 | Mikk | I doubt gatherer uses anything ace at all |
| 09:35.21 | Mikk | Norgs' addons tend to not use any external dependencies whatsoever |
| 09:35.57 | Mikk | (Unsurprisingly -- the dev force is quite sizeable) |
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| 09:37.10 | Mikk | But yeah, the AceComm2 transfer failures are data dependent. It'll work great. Until you get something that refuses to transfer. That something will keep refusing to transfer. It kicks total ass if you have something that tries two e.g. sync two databases. It'll keep failing, failing, failing ...... |
| 09:39.49 | Mikk | Oh.. cool... blizzard are putting out software vulnerability alerts now |
| 09:39.56 | Mikk | Good initiative. |
| 09:40.10 | Xinhuan | i thought i fixed all possible acecomm2 data trasnfer issues 6 months ago |
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| 09:40.38 | Xinhuan | around last november |
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| 09:41.18 | Mikk | nope |
| 09:41.24 | Mikk | it's still exploding |
| 09:41.32 | Mikk | length>255 problems |
| 09:42.05 | Mikk | (but yeah you cured SOME of them alright) |
| 09:43.15 | ZenDarva | Well, no single bit of data that i want to send is ever going to be longer than about 15 chars. |
| 09:47.57 | Mikk | Yeah you can take all kinds of shortcuts when you know what the data you'll send is going to look like |
| 09:48.17 | Mikk | A library needs to be able to send _everything_ |
| 09:48.21 | Mikk | And that carries a cost |
| 09:48.40 | batrick | cladhaire: you awake? |
| 09:48.46 | cladhaire | yes |
| 09:49.02 | batrick | Could you look at something please? I think I found a bug in Lua but want to run it by someone first |
| 09:49.32 | cladhaire | ok |
| 10:05.11 | Kemayo | (Not because it's impossible, but because it's generally unlikely, and the suggestion tends to make people look scornfully upon you.) |
| 10:07.21 | Kemayo | t |
| 10:07.23 | Kemayo | damnit |
| 10:07.28 | wereHamster | words or letters |
| 10:07.42 | Kemayo | sometimes both |
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| 10:12.33 | ZenDarva | Ok, i don't use varargs very often in lua, but i thought when you had a function that goes function blah(...), you got a local variable named args, that was a table containing all the passed in arguments? |
| 10:12.43 | wereHamster | no |
| 10:13.25 | wereHamster | you only get that if lua is built with special flags (backwards compatibility), WoW's lua isn't |
| 10:13.34 | ZenDarva | argh. |
| 10:13.50 | wereHamster | you can always do local args = {...} |
| 10:14.12 | wereHamster | but I don't think there's ever reason to do that |
| 10:14.20 | cladhaire | !api 7.1 |
| 10:14.21 | lua_bot | Lua Reference Manual: 'Changes in the Language' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#7.1 |
| 10:14.40 | cladhaire | also |
| 10:14.42 | cladhaire | !api 2.5.9 |
| 10:14.42 | lua_bot | Lua Reference Manual: 'Function Definitions' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#2.5.9 |
| 10:15.57 | ZenDarva | well hmm. That's how i'd always looped through arguments when i needed to do something to them, but didn't know, or care what they were, or how many of them there were. Can you point me at finding out how to do that properly now? |
| 10:16.14 | cladhaire | ZenDarva: I just did? |
| 10:17.05 | cladhaire | lua> function foo(...) for i=1,select("#", ...) do local item = select(i, ...) print |
| 10:17.05 | lua_bot | cladhaire: luabot:1: '=' expected near '<eof>' |
| 10:17.15 | cladhaire | lua> function foo(...) for i=1,select("#", ...) do local item = select(i, ...) print(item) end end; foo(1,2,3,4,5) |
| 10:17.15 | lua_bot | cladhaire: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 |
| 10:17.21 | cladhaire | that's how you do it. |
| 10:17.46 | ZenDarva | Ok. I read over that in the documentation, but it's rather late at night and i must have glazed over as i passed it. Thank you. |
| 10:19.49 | batrick | Kemayo: ? I _was_ asking clad about it? BTW, the problem is fairly obvious... it's a nasty memory leak |
| 10:20.31 | batrick | obvious meaning, there's little escaping that it's not a bug in Lua |
| 10:23.46 | Drundia | isn't select(i, ...) kinda slow? |
| 10:24.37 | wereHamster | of course it's slower then if you define the arguments in the function parameter list |
| 10:25.00 | wereHamster | but IMO varargs are well worth the overhead |
| 10:25.24 | Drundia | well, it like pushes all varargs into stack and calls function |
| 10:25.32 | Drundia | retrieving all args has O(n^2) |
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| 10:28.19 | ZenDarva | Apparently my attempts to limit line length didn't work, judging from just getting booted. |
| 10:28.30 | wereHamster | Drundia: why O(2^n)? |
| 10:30.07 | Drundia | if you need to iterate through them you call select() n times, each time it takes n+1 args and unless there is some special optimization pushing all those args again and again isn't particularly fast |
| 10:30.25 | wereHamster | local arg = select(1, ...) translates to four assembler instructinos |
| 10:30.36 | wereHamster | no matter how long the vararg list is |
| 10:33.35 | Drundia | lua> function foo(...) for i=1,1e7 do for j=1,select('#',...) do local item=select(j,...); end; end; end; local a=os.clock(); foo(1); print(os.clock()-a) |
| 10:33.38 | lua_bot | Drundia: 3.41 |
| 10:33.45 | Drundia | lua> function foo(...) for i=1,1e7 do for j=1,select('#',...) do local item=select(j,...); end; end; end; local a=os.clock(); foo(1,2); print(os.clock()-a) |
| 10:33.51 | lua_bot | Drundia: Your code exceeded set CPU limits |
| 10:34.00 | Drundia | lua> function foo(...) for i=1,1e6 do for j=1,select('#',...) do local item=select(j,...); end; end; end; local a=os.clock(); foo(1); print(os.clock()-a) |
| 10:34.02 | lua_bot | Drundia: 0.83 |
| 10:34.06 | Drundia | lua> function foo(...) for i=1,1e6 do for j=1,select('#',...) do local item=select(j,...); end; end; end; local a=os.clock(); foo(1,2); print(os.clock()-a) |
| 10:34.08 | lua_bot | Drundia: 1.18 |
| 10:34.12 | Drundia | lua> function foo(...) for i=1,1e6 do for j=1,select('#',...) do local item=select(j,...); end; end; end; local a=os.clock(); foo(1,2,3); print(os.clock()-a) |
| 10:34.14 | lua_bot | Drundia: 1.58 |
| 10:34.23 | Drundia | lua> function foo(...) for i=1,1e6 do for j=1,select('#',...) do local item=select(j,...); end; end; end; local a=os.clock(); foo(1,2,3,4); print(os.clock()-a) |
| 10:34.25 | lua_bot | Drundia: 1.64 |
| 10:34.29 | Drundia | mkay |
| 10:34.36 | Drundia | lua_bot convinced me |
| 10:35.06 | cladhaire | one more command and you would ahve been ignored :P |
| 10:35.30 | Drundia | omg evil bot |
| 10:36.10 | Kalroth | clad is the meanie |
| 10:36.21 | cladhaire | NOT JUST A MEANIE |
| 10:36.23 | cladhaire | THE MEANIE |
| 10:36.47 | Drundia | i should stick to old practice of testing stuff in wow since this is #WOWuidev |
| 10:36.49 | Kalroth | The Meanie. (tm) |
| 10:37.07 | SunTiger | Drundia, http://codepad.org/ |
| 10:37.21 | cladhaire | you're fine to test things in here |
| 10:37.27 | cladhaire | lua_bot just has ignore thresholds now :P |
| 10:37.30 | Drundia | what are limits? |
| 10:37.39 | cladhaire | 5 commands in 45 seconds, afaik |
| 10:37.41 | cladhaire | tho i can tune them |
| 10:38.00 | SunTiger | who would think people would resort to abusing people with irc bots. |
| 10:38.13 | Drundia | oh noes i sent 6 |
| 10:38.54 | cladhaire | lol |
| 10:46.11 | Drundia | i think these bots need debugprofilestart() and debugprofilestop() for portability of timing code between wow and them |
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| 10:48.59 | batrick | cladhaire: it's actually the sum of the differences for the times of the last 5 answers from now < 45 seconds |
| 10:50.01 | batrick | don't ask me to explain that in better english =) |
| 10:51.26 | Drundia | explain it in code or pseudocode |
| 10:53.05 | batrick | if t is the table containing the last 5 answers' time(): local sum = 0; for _,c in pairs(t) do sum = sum + (c - time()) end if sum < 45 return true else return false end |
| 10:53.14 | batrick | err |
| 10:53.30 | batrick | if t is the table containing the last 5 answers' time(): local sum = 0; for i =1,5 do sum = sum + (t[i] - time()) end if sum < 45 return true else return false end |
| 10:56.52 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 10:56.57 | cladhaire | i know how it works |
| 10:57.00 | cladhaire | just didn't how how to describe it |
| 10:57.06 | Drundia | so if i spam every 3 seconds it's 3+6+9+12+15=45 |
| 10:57.12 | cladhaire | well |
| 10:57.14 | Drundia | not quite limiting really |
| 10:57.18 | Drundia | does it help with bots? |
| 10:57.25 | cladhaire | ? |
| 10:57.26 | Drundia | that fuck someone |
| 10:57.28 | cladhaire | what are you talking about |
| 10:57.32 | cladhaire | there are two levels |
| 10:57.46 | cladhaire | one is the bot responding.. there are limits on that to prevent flooding |
| 10:57.51 | cladhaire | one is the bot ignoring |
| 10:57.58 | cladhaire | and sure, if you time it right you can get more in |
| 10:58.05 | cladhaire | but i can also change the timings trivially |
| 10:58.10 | cladhaire | plus |
| 10:58.19 | cladhaire | don't fuck with the opped bot :P |
| 10:58.24 | Drundia | oh yes :) |
| 10:58.42 | cladhaire | they always win, those bastages |
| 10:59.24 | batrick | they attacked batbot through pings I think, my logs weren't set up to record them so I'm not sure |
| 10:59.36 | batrick | I got excess flooded twice |
| 11:00.42 | cladhaire | my bot ignores those as well |
| 11:00.43 | batrick | night |
| 11:00.45 | cladhaire | night |
| 11:00.54 | cladhaire | bastard |
| 11:05.29 | Nechckn | reeeeooooowww mean ole lua_bot! |
| 11:05.50 | Nechckn | cladhaire we can take him out back and teach him a lesson! |
| 11:06.17 | cladhaire | lol |
| 11:08.14 | Drundia | lua> "lua_bot is mean" and true |
| 11:08.15 | lua_bot | Drundia: true |
| 11:08.25 | clad|away | lua> "cladhaire" > "Shirik" |
| 11:08.26 | lua_bot | clad|away: true |
| 11:08.45 | clad|away | lua> Iriel == Slouken |
| 11:08.45 | lua_bot | clad|away: true |
| 11:10.12 | Kalroth | hrm |
| 11:10.20 | Kalroth | lua> "cladhaire" < "a random VB programmer" |
| 11:10.20 | lua_bot | Kalroth: false |
| 11:10.24 | Kalroth | aha |
| 11:10.42 | Kalroth | lua> "cladhaire" < "VB.NET" |
| 11:10.42 | lua_bot | Kalroth: false |
| 11:10.47 | Kalroth | wtf |
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| 11:13.39 | Drundia | lua> "cladhaire" > "Kalroth" |
| 11:13.39 | lua_bot | Drundia: true |
| 11:13.55 | Kalroth | lua> "cladhaire" < "Drundia" |
| 11:13.55 | lua_bot | Kalroth: false |
| 11:14.00 | Drundia | :( |
| 11:14.13 | Drundia | lua> "cladhaire" > "all" |
| 11:14.14 | lua_bot | Drundia: true |
| 11:14.18 | Kalroth | lua> Drundia == nil |
| 11:14.19 | lua_bot | Kalroth: true |
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| 11:21.45 | norgs | lua> "me" > "Entire universe" |
| 11:21.45 | lua_bot | norgs: true |
| 11:21.51 | norgs | ahh, i see |
| 11:24.24 | Drundia | lua> lua_bot == liar |
| 11:24.24 | lua_bot | Drundia: true |
| 11:25.26 | Cide | ironically, that leads to a paradox |
| 11:25.30 | Kalroth | lua> "average VB programmer" > "norgs" |
| 11:25.30 | lua_bot | Kalroth: false |
| 11:25.33 | Kalroth | sonofa |
| 11:25.42 | Cide | what'd you think? a > n? :P |
| 11:25.47 | Mikk | lua> "Average VB programmer" > "norgs" |
| 11:25.47 | lua_bot | Mikk: false |
| 11:25.50 | Mikk | damn |
| 11:25.51 | norgs | no, no... just fiduciarily motivated |
| 11:25.52 | Cide | you guys fail |
| 11:25.57 | Mikk | lua> "average VB programmer" > "Norgs" |
| 11:25.58 | lua_bot | Mikk: true |
| 11:26.00 | Kalroth | wtf, it matches on first char only? |
| 11:26.00 | Mikk | \o/ |
| 11:26.08 | Cide | Kalroth: no |
| 11:26.15 | Drundia | lua> Mikk = imba |
| 11:26.15 | lua_bot | Drundia: No output |
| 11:26.16 | Mikk | no, i just have to remember if caps are before lowercase or not :P |
| 11:26.17 | Cide | Kalroth: but it compares char-by-char |
| 11:26.20 | Drundia | lua> Mikk == imba |
| 11:26.20 | lua_bot | Drundia: true |
| 11:26.27 | Cide | like most string comparisons :P |
| 11:26.27 | norgs | capital leters as ASCIIally less than lowercase ones |
| 11:26.38 | Kalroth | yeah |
| 11:26.40 | Mikk | mm 0x41==A, 0x61==a |
| 11:26.50 | Mikk | but I keep getting that turned around because of the damn c64 |
| 11:26.52 | Mikk | it still haunts me! |
| 11:26.59 | Kalroth | I'm not used to string comparisons :P |
| 11:27.25 | Drundia | lua> IHaveGoodMemory=true |
| 11:27.25 | lua_bot | Drundia: No output |
| 11:27.32 | Drundia | lua> print(IHaveGoodMemory) |
| 11:27.33 | lua_bot | Drundia: nil |
| 11:27.36 | norgs | or rather one could say that case comarisons in lua are performed in the "C locale" |
| 11:27.38 | Drundia | !lua IHaveGoodMemory=true |
| 11:27.39 | Cide | don't spam the bot with useless crap |
| 11:27.42 | Cide | thanks |
| 11:27.55 | Drundia | last one |
| 11:27.56 | Drundia | !lua print(IHaveGoodMemory) |
| 11:27.57 | batbot | Drundia: true |
| 11:28.04 | Kalroth | clad started it, Cide! |
| 11:28.25 | Cide | yeah, but I invented this so I get to decide |
| 11:28.39 | Drundia | btw, Cide, does your bot save stuff? |
| 11:28.42 | Kalroth | aw |
| 11:28.47 | Cide | only in _G.SV |
| 11:28.50 | Kalroth | Cide is the meanest swede ever. |
| 11:29.07 | Drundia | so only batbot saves everything then |
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| 12:54.10 | Shirik|Work | I really love Intel's use of technical lingo |
| 12:54.30 | Shirik|Work | "The x87 FPU detects a floating-point numeric underflow condition whenever the rounded result of an arithmetic instruction is tiny;" |
| 12:54.32 | Shirik|Work | "tiny" |
| 12:54.47 | Shirik|Work | this is from the IA32 processor manual |
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| 13:24.15 | Lunessa | ... STATION! |
| 13:24.38 | Kalroth | Nation? |
| 13:24.40 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, dear. *hug* |
| 13:24.57 | Lopeppeppy | My PeppyScope for the day includes the phrase, "patience wont be your greatest strength today". Who knew? *sigh* |
| 13:25.03 | Kalroth | It's Lun-atic-essa! |
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| 13:25.26 | Kalroth | Speaking of which, hi Shirikikik |
| 13:25.34 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik! *huggle* |
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| 13:26.31 | foxlit | growl |
| 13:26.51 | foxlit | Thumbnailing Trade_Alchemy.blp ... Content type UTI: dyn.ah62d4rv4ge80e5du. |
| 13:27.04 | dylanm | Urinary Tract Infection??? |
| 13:27.31 | foxlit | o.O |
| 13:27.36 | dylanm | Sorry. The missus is a doctor. |
| 13:27.43 | foxlit | uniform type identifier |
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| 13:28.25 | Lunessa | Luna-tic-essa SMSAH! |
| 13:28.29 | dylanm | I see horrible diseases in all abbreviations. |
| 13:28.37 | Kaso | wow pastey's Obj-C highlighting sucks >.< |
| 13:31.36 | Shirik|Work | Kalroth: ? |
| 13:31.59 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa: Rawr. |
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| 13:35.25 | Lunessa | Today's comic at Applegeeks is pretty touching: http://www.applegeeks.com/ |
| 13:37.33 | alestane | Anyone have any advice for getting a Radeon 9200 to work with Vista? ATI seems to have cut it loose and buying a new card is not an option at this time. |
| 13:38.36 | Shirik|Work | break it in two |
| 13:38.38 | Shirik|Work | it might work better |
| 13:38.55 | Lunessa | alestane: You can use the generic driver and it'll be fine for most things. |
| 13:39.01 | Lunessa | Including WoW. |
| 13:39.38 | alestane | Lunessa: Somewhat, but WoW seems to go incredibly slow when I try to run it on that machine, and several other, less demanding games, also have graphical issues. |
| 13:39.59 | alestane | I get the feeling DirectX is ignoring the 3D hardware and rendering things itself. |
| 13:40.07 | Lunessa | Gah. And you can't use any of the later Catalyst driver packages? |
| 13:40.31 | alestane | I think I tried one and it doesn't recognize the card. |
| 13:41.10 | alestane | If you look for Vista drivers on ATI's website (now AMD's website), they don't list the 9200. |
| 13:41.11 | Industrial | Lopeppeppy: just get a nvidia card and you are fine? |
| 13:41.28 | Industrial | alestane too lol :p |
| 13:41.33 | Industrial | ati-- |
| 13:42.00 | alestane | I refer you to the part where I said "buying a new card is not an option at this time." |
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| 13:42.41 | alestane | Having enough trouble saving for BlizzCon as it is. |
| 13:42.48 | Lunessa | alestane: I might have a spare, but won't know until I get home after 8pm Central. |
| 13:43.19 | Lunessa | Something left from an upgrade binge from last year. |
| 13:43.51 | foxlit | http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/9775/finder002vj0.png |
| 13:44.06 | foxlit | Though I wouldn't be surprised if my laptop now decided not to restart |
| 13:44.09 | alestane | It's not a huge deal. That machine gets very little use and basically only has until the processor manages to cook itself (which will happen in a year or so given the case's miserable thermal design). |
| 13:44.32 | Lunessa | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/05/28/funny-pictures-teknikcal-support-this-iz-snuggles/ |
| 13:44.57 | Lunessa | foxlit: Nice. Good job. |
| 13:44.59 | alestane | foxlit: You turned iTunes into an icon texture browser? |
| 13:45.16 | foxlit | It's Finder, in this case |
| 13:46.15 | alestane | Is that something they added in Leopard? |
| 13:46.24 | foxlit | Yes |
| 13:46.39 | Industrial | onc ei had a cpu get 80 degrees celcius |
| 13:46.48 | Industrial | it was an old AMD |
| 13:46.55 | mikma | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/funny-pictures-muscle-brains-kitten-dog.jpg |
| 13:47.00 | Industrial | I was playing games and doing all sorts of stuff with a bad cooler |
| 13:47.08 | Industrial | fizzleburndead :D |
| 13:48.00 | alestane | This case is basically designed so that all the heat rising from the video card pools under the power supply, right next to the microprocessor. |
| 13:48.20 | foxlit | Or as thumbnails: http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/6229/finder003lo4.png |
| 13:48.59 | mikma | HAHAHAHAHA http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/funny-pictures-christina-ricci-cat-pink-thing.jpg |
| 13:49.06 | mikma | dear lord that's good |
| 13:49.27 | alestane | Foxlit: Is that a .blp Quicktime component? |
| 13:49.41 | foxlit | That is is .blp QuickLook component |
| 13:49.50 | alestane | Does it handle alpha? |
| 13:49.59 | foxlit | Yes, presumably |
| 13:50.13 | alestane | But QuickLook is another Leopard thing. |
| 13:50.33 | foxlit | Yes because it should; presumably because I'm not sure if my implementation behaves as I expected |
| 13:51.44 | Lunessa | alestane: Leopard is .. the hawtness. |
| 13:52.09 | alestane | And whenever I am able to afford a new laptop, I'm sure I will appreciate it. |
| 13:52.54 | Lunessa | I run it on my iMac at work, but my G4 Powerbook and my older iMac at home aren't powerful enough. |
| 13:54.33 | alestane | I might be able to run it, but I'm not going to buy it standalone given my current financial situation and lack of dissatisfaction with Tiger. |
| 13:58.21 | Lunessa | Wise and fiscally prudent. |
| 13:58.46 | alestane | See above about saving for BlizzCon. |
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| 14:02.59 | Lunessa | I'm trying to save for that, and a new car. Gas prices for driving the truck are.. insane. |
| 14:05.06 | Lunessa | at 15mpg highway, and 70 mile round-trips, I'm spend a car-payment a month on gas. *sigh* |
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| 14:09.19 | Lunessa | There is no cure for stupid: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6869206903&sid=1 |
| 14:09.21 | DARKGuy | mornin' =) |
| 14:09.35 | DARKGuy | gas is cheap here :D |
| 14:09.52 | DARKGuy | ... rofl Lunessa |
| 14:10.10 | Lunessa | Cheap is relative. |
| 14:10.53 | Lunessa | Cheap is what at least one ex-g/f accused me of being. Seems she wanted a $1500 piece of jewelry and I wouldn't buy it for her... |
| 14:11.08 | sacarasc | cheap bastard |
| 14:11.18 | DARKGuy | uhm, screw her |
| 14:11.22 | DARKGuy | ¬¬; |
| 14:11.29 | DARKGuy | money isn't earned for free >< |
| 14:11.44 | Lunessa | DARKGuy: That was more or less my position on the topic. |
| 14:11.47 | DARKGuy | still, gas is cheap here, I can fill up my car's tank for 1.5$ |
| 14:12.09 | DARKGuy | Lunessa: good :P |
| 14:12.11 | Shirik|Work | :( visual studio failed me |
| 14:12.21 | Shirik|Work | first time in a while |
| 14:12.26 | Lunessa | ~comfort Shirik|Work |
| 14:12.27 | purl | There, there, Shirik|Work. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 14:16.11 | Kalroth | aww |
| 14:16.15 | Kalroth | ~failrik |
| 14:16.16 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 14:16.53 | Lunessa | Shirik takes a lot of abuse from us. Poor guy. |
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| 14:24.08 | Lukian | how do I do a /target macro which won't target if the mob is dead |
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| 14:26.20 | alestane | You don't. |
| 14:30.53 | Lukian | darn :/ |
| 14:31.24 | foxlit | assuming there are living targets in tab range, you can |
| 14:31.44 | Lukian | there are |
| 14:31.52 | Lukian | it's for illhoof |
| 14:32.11 | Lukian | I was trying to make a "spammable" macro to priority demon chains, then kil'rek then illhoof |
| 14:32.14 | Shirik|Work | since when does tab target dead mobs? |
| 14:32.36 | foxlit | /target may, if name matches |
| 14:32.38 | Lukian | (spamming such a macro seemed to give me huge UI lag though) |
| 14:32.46 | Shirik|Work | ah I see foxlit |
| 14:33.38 | foxlit | you can always do /stopmacro [nodead] |
| 14:33.45 | foxlit | Or something along those lines |
| 14:34.08 | Lukian | hmm what does that do again? |
| 14:34.17 | foxlit | But meh, spamming a target macro on that encounter is just lazy |
| 14:34.22 | Lukian | haha |
| 14:34.24 | Lukian | yeah I know |
| 14:34.27 | Lukian | but I love being lazy |
| 14:36.28 | alestane | Your best bet for something like that would be |
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| 14:36.45 | alestane | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:36.59 | alestane | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.13 | alestane | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:44.48 | Lunessa | Meh... I just use /targetexact Demon Chains which will fail if there are no Demon Chains. |
| 14:45.16 | Shirik|Work | I use /cast Heal |
| 14:46.25 | haste | I use /run ReloadUI() |
| 14:47.00 | Lukian | alestane, that's that's opposite |
| 14:47.06 | Lukian | AH |
| 14:47.09 | Lukian | noharm might work! |
| 14:48.24 | Shirik|Work | Lukian: What alestane said is exactly right |
| 14:48.43 | Shirik|Work | you are the one that's opposite |
| 14:49.06 | Lukian | ah, cause of noharm |
| 14:49.28 | Shirik|Work | no, that's just an added check |
| 14:49.40 | Lukian | that'll target terestian "first" |
| 14:49.43 | Shirik|Work | so it doesn't stop working when you target a raid member |
| 14:49.50 | Shirik|Work | no it won't |
| 14:49.53 | Lukian | it'll target demon chains, then switch to kilrek, then switch to terestian? |
| 14:49.58 | Shirik|Work | yes |
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| 14:50.08 | Shirik|Work | it will only proceed if the target is dead |
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| 14:50.53 | alestane | First it targets the chains; then if it has a dead target, or does not have a harmful target, it proceeds to target Kilrek. |
| 14:51.23 | alestane | If it has either a dead target, or no harmful target at that point, it'll target Illhoof. |
| 14:51.43 | Lukian | got it :) |
| 14:51.55 | Lukian | I wonder how spammable it is XD |
| 14:51.57 | alestane | But for it to get to Illhoof, both the chains and Kil'rek have to be dead or nonexistent. |
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| 14:54.04 | Drundia | i think they quite recently changed /target as well |
| 14:54.20 | Drundia | the only difference in /targetexact is that it anchors at end |
| 14:54.41 | Drundia | good old /target tries to match everything instead of just first letter |
| 14:55.10 | Drundia | and does nothing if no valid unit is found |
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| 14:56.16 | Dark_Elf | i got this enemycastbar but it seems to be showing enemy cast bars for other players when im soloing |
| 14:59.28 | Lukian | Drundia, ah targetexact might have less overhead then? |
| 15:00.17 | Beladona | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:00.30 | Beladona | whereas /targetexact is not, it matches what you give it, or nothing |
| 15:01.43 | Lukian | which is fine in this case, because I know the full mob names :) |
| 15:08.22 | Shirik|Work | hm? |
| 15:08.31 | Shirik|Work | !g 25 degrees C to F |
| 15:08.31 | batbot | Shirik|Work: If its 25 degrees C what is it in F? - Yahoo! Answers <http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071125093930AAoN6Cl> |
| 15:08.37 | Shirik|Work | boo |
| 15:08.42 | Shirik|Work | wanted google calculator |
| 15:08.55 | Fisker- | !g 25 degrees celcius in fahrenheit |
| 15:08.56 | batbot | Fisker-: NCDC: Celsius to Fahrenheit Conversion ChartT OF SNOW <http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/conversion/tempconvert.html> |
| 15:08.59 | Fisker- | damn |
| 15:09.02 | Lunessa | Be sure to upgrade your Adobe Flash and Acrobat readers. |
| 15:09.13 | Fisker- | it's 77 |
| 15:09.42 | Fisker- | !g 25 celcius in fahrenheit |
| 15:09.42 | batbot | Fisker-: Cooks.com - Celcius to Fahrenheit Conversion Table <http://www.cooks.com/rec/dnd_nc2f.html> |
| 15:09.45 | Fisker- | damn |
| 15:09.47 | Fisker- | it ignores the calc |
| 15:11.10 | Fisker- | life ain't worth living without google calc |
| 15:11.12 | Fisker- | blargh im ded |
| 15:12.53 | Seerah | !g 25C to F |
| 15:12.54 | batbot | Seerah: F-25C <http://www.f-boat.com/pages/trimarans/F-25C.html> |
| 15:12.58 | Seerah | bah |
| 15:13.38 | Seerah | technically, it's not the first return in the search. It's separate |
| 15:13.58 | sacarasc | Seerah: 77 |
| 15:14.07 | Seerah | Shirik: ^^^ |
| 15:14.56 | DARKGuy | hey guys, what's the issue with Adobe Flash and WoW Accounts? I'm intrigued :P |
| 15:14.57 | Seerah | oh, Fisker- already gave the answer :P thanks, though, sacarasc |
| 15:15.17 | Seerah | there is a security flaw in one version of Flash |
| 15:15.26 | sacarasc | so he did, not paying attention |
| 15:15.28 | DARKGuy | yeah, but how that can be related to wow o.O |
| 15:15.36 | Seerah | Trojans? |
| 15:15.51 | DARKGuy | what, Flash as keylogger? that's a new one :P |
| 15:15.56 | Seerah | no |
| 15:16.11 | DARKGuy | I don't see how that can affect wow then o.O... |
| 15:16.15 | Seerah | a security hole in Flash which lets a keylogger or anything be passed through while it executes |
| 15:19.14 | DARKGuy | Huh, fun. |
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| 15:19.39 | DARKGuy | Linux ftw! it can't infect Linux through Flash :D |
| 15:21.11 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/05/29/funny-pictures-shock-awwww/ |
| 15:21.21 | Lunessa | DARKGuy: Yeah. It's actually a bigger problem than just WoW. |
| 15:22.07 | DARKGuy | Lunessa: yeah seriously :/ |
| 15:22.24 | Seerah | DARKGuy: http://www.adobe.com/support/security/bulletins/apsb08-11.html |
| 15:23.28 | Shirik|Work | none of our computers actually have flash lol |
| 15:23.55 | Shirik|Work | dunno why |
| 15:24.40 | Lopeppeppy | That's a fine thing, Shirik. |
| 15:24.48 | Lopeppeppy | Seerah, thanks for the link, I updated my player. |
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| 15:25.21 | Seerah | note, that it says you'll need to do it for each browser you have if you have multiple browsers installed |
| 15:25.31 | Seerah | ie, once for FF and once for IE |
| 15:25.54 | Lunessa | Or Safari, etc. |
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| 15:28.29 | DARKGuy | heh, thanks |
| 15:29.22 | Lopeppeppy | Or Flock. |
| 15:30.39 | Fisker- | It's Fx |
| 15:30.42 | Fisker- | BAAAAAAAAAAAAW |
| 15:30.59 | Seerah | what the beep?... I went to install it on IE and it installed an old version |
| 15:31.15 | Fisker- | nah |
| 15:31.29 | Fisker- | the control itself should be 9.0.124 |
| 15:31.40 | Fisker- | try checking it manually .P |
| 15:32.07 | Seerah | yeah. it installed 8.0.24. Then I went back to the download page and it said "This requires Adobe Flash 9 Install Now?" |
| 15:32.22 | foxlit | restart the browser |
| 15:32.23 | Seerah | clicked yes and it installed the correct version |
| 15:32.38 | Fisker- | O_o |
| 15:33.12 | Seerah | I had an older version of 9 before. It's just stupid. |
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| 15:37.09 | End | I had an annoying time too |
| 15:37.22 | End | it took about 4 times before it actually installed |
| 15:37.45 | End | (it deinstalled itself fine though) |
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| 15:50.30 | [Liquidor] | This is simply amazing. IF you use your headphones and close your eyes you will start to feel like actually being in the barber shop. It gets better and better woot http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUDTlvagjJA |
| 15:51.47 | [Liquidor] | See this wikipedia entry for information about binaural recordings: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binaural_recording |
| 15:55.14 | ckknight | I used to do that kinda stuff, [Liquidor] |
| 15:55.25 | [Liquidor] | do what? |
| 15:55.31 | [Liquidor] | playing guitar? cutting hair? |
| 15:55.36 | ckknight | listen to binaural beats |
| 15:55.50 | ckknight | it causes the mind to fall into an alpha state pretty easily if done properly |
| 15:57.14 | [Liquidor] | christel tells me that you should give me Op! |
| 15:57.59 | ckknight | I'm not an op here |
| 16:00.26 | dylanm | ckknight: Do you still use Textmate? I'm thinking of taking up development of the Lua bundle and was wondering if you had any thoughts. |
| 16:00.56 | ckknight | dylanm: I still use it. It works for me for what I need, honestly can't think of anything I need for it... |
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| 16:18.19 | DARKGuy | ckknight: alpha state o_o? |
| 16:18.30 | ckknight | ...excuse me? |
| 16:19.25 | DARKGuy | ckknight: <ckknight> it causes the mind to fall into an alpha state pretty easily if done properly |
| 16:19.44 | ckknight | DARKGuy: oh, yea, the mind has multiple states |
| 16:19.46 | ckknight | beta = awake |
| 16:20.07 | ckknight | alpha = half-asleep (it's what you get when you see a movie you're really into, you go into a trance) |
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| 16:20.18 | DARKGuy | oO yeah I've felt that |
| 16:20.21 | ckknight | theta = asleep, not deeply |
| 16:20.25 | ckknight | delta = deep sleep |
| 16:20.32 | ckknight | some people have different names for the states |
| 16:20.36 | ckknight | but that's roughly how it goes |
| 16:21.01 | DARKGuy | hey cool, I didn't know the mind could have states - well I had a slight idea... oO |
| 16:21.04 | DARKGuy | interesting |
| 16:21.04 | DARKGuy | :D |
| 16:22.03 | Lunessa | More correctly speaking, those are the names for "brain wave patterns" |
| 16:22.58 | haste | electroencephalography! |
| 16:24.17 | DARKGuy | o.o |
| 16:24.24 | DARKGuy | I <3 mind stuff |
| 16:24.25 | Lopeppeppy | Not on my cephalopods, you don't! |
| 16:24.52 | Lunessa | Peppy... every day you use, 999 words for boobs? |
| 16:25.10 | Kaso | Anyone see about that news article a while back where researchers could identify which picture a person was looking at with 90% accuracy using fmri and computer modeling |
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| 16:25.59 | Lunessa | Kaso, it was such an exciting idea that it made it into an episode of the show "Numbers" |
| 16:26.16 | Kaso | Oh really? heh, numbers is pretty cool |
| 16:26.19 | Kaso | http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/mar/06/medicalresearch |
| 16:26.27 | Kaso | Theres the article i was refering to |
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| 16:30.30 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, wouldn't you like to know? :P |
| 16:30.39 | Lunessa | :D |
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| 16:46.46 | Shirik|Work | Someone in the food industry found my weakness |
| 16:47.09 | Shirik|Work | they put hershey chocolate bars in the vending machine with "LARGE SIZE" written in big red lettters on it, then priced it at $1.25 |
| 16:47.41 | Shirik|Work | and it's already gone :( |
| 16:48.11 | DARKGuy | Aww |
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| 16:50.05 | alestane | Um, Peppy? Cephalopods is things like octopi (or, if you're a greek purist, oktopodes). |
| 16:50.40 | Lopeppeppy | I know, alestane. I'm in a wigety weird mood, love, don't mind me. |
| 16:52.54 | Shirik|Work | hm, my debugger just locked up |
| 16:52.55 | Shirik|Work | awesome |
| 16:53.29 | Shirik|Work | and hitting "reset" causes an error message "Emulator/target is running. Request ignored." >.> |
| 16:57.29 | Shirik|Work | poor christel is having a bad day :( |
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| 17:00.54 | Kaso | Yay! |
| 17:01.02 | Shirik|Work | sorry, at work :) |
| 17:01.03 | Kaso | Damn services being down >.< |
| 17:02.07 | Shirik|Work | .... I can't even join the wowi staff channel because I'm not identified |
| 17:02.53 | Kaso | heh |
| 17:08.08 | Shirik|Work | good non-graphical linux irc client? irssi? any other choice? |
| 17:08.22 | Kaso | bitchx |
| 17:08.48 | kergoth | i think all the decent console clients have their roots in ircii |
| 17:08.51 | kergoth | classic |
| 17:08.53 | Dave2 | I've heard things about weechat. /me uses irssi for irssi-proxy, though. |
| 17:09.25 | kergoth | the thing about bitchx is it shows multiple channels in a single "window". irssi seperates by default, but can be configured that way |
| 17:09.29 | kergoth | thats why i ditched bitchx years ago |
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| 17:12.53 | Shirik | ok then |
| 17:13.00 | Shirik | much better :) |
| 17:14.04 | Lopeppeppy | Yay, Shirik! |
| 17:16.52 | haste | Shirik: weechat is suppose to e good, it has lua support also |
| 17:17.08 | Shirik | weechat? |
| 17:17.16 | Shirik | sounds odd :P |
| 17:17.18 | |Jelly| | ~seen Wobin |
| 17:17.21 | purl | wobin <n=Wobin@124-168-153-189.dyn.iinet.net.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 4d 2h 35m 1s ago, saying: 'so that's chr;'. |
| 17:17.25 | haste | Shirik: http://weechat.flashtux.org/ |
| 17:17.54 | kergoth | lua support? nice |
| 17:18.06 | Industrial | skeebeedeebeedoobodobop bop |
| 17:18.15 | haste | there was something that made me not use it the las time I looked at it |
| 17:18.35 | haste | (and typos are awesome, but I have ~40 sec input lag over ssh irhgt now..) |
| 17:19.33 | Shirik | grrr, this is why I HATE assembly optimizers |
| 17:19.51 | Shirik | it decided to convert my "call ConvertBCD, return" into "goto ConvertBCD" |
| 17:20.02 | Shirik | typical tailcall optimization, but it's wrong... |
| 17:21.23 | Shirik | haste: looks interesting, but a bit complicated |
| 17:21.38 | haste | I use irssi myself |
| 17:21.53 | Mikk | Shirik: why is that wrong? |
| 17:22.10 | haste | I think weechat was missing the ability for theme it |
| 17:22.19 | Shirik | Mikk: Because it ignores the opcode before it, btfsc (bit test file, skip if clear) |
| 17:22.28 | kergoth | haste: ... |
| 17:22.31 | kergoth | that would be really, really stupid |
| 17:22.36 | kergoth | how could you make an irc client without theming? |
| 17:22.37 | Shirik | if btfsc is true, the return gets completely skipped and we go off into no-mands land executing random code |
| 17:22.39 | Mikk | ah |
| 17:22.55 | Mikk | that's a stupid optimizer then :o) |
| 17:23.05 | Shirik | I would have no problem with "goto ConvertBCD, return" (which is what I turned it into) but still, I think if someone's writing assembly they should be trusted |
| 17:23.08 | haste | kergoth: my thought too, seems like it has a system for it tho' |
| 17:24.01 | haste | just that their site sucks at mentioning anything about formatting stuff |
| 17:24.20 | Shirik | weechat sounds like something that should be on the wii |
| 17:24.38 | Mikk | yeah because theming is so important! |
| 17:25.21 | Shirik | haste: I completely forgot how to use irssi :( How to change windows? |
| 17:25.52 | Industrial | I love how people cant control their speech when stretching |
| 17:25.59 | Industrial | you hear the weirdest things |
| 17:28.26 | Shirik | oop, got it. alt-left/right. I knew it was something like that |
| 17:28.29 | Shirik | yey I'm remembering |
| 17:28.45 | |Jelly| | xparky doesn't wanna work. :( |
| 17:28.56 | Shirik | no? works for me |
| 17:30.05 | |Jelly| | BugGrabber: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/88640 |
| 17:31.08 | Shirik | huh. Using the one from wowinterface? |
| 17:31.17 | |Jelly| | yup |
| 17:31.18 | Shirik | I literally just reinstalled it 2 nights ago |
| 17:31.31 | |Jelly| | Funny thing is ... it works on my other UIs. |
| 17:31.35 | Shirik | maybe ace is doing something strange with it; I don't think I have any ace3 addons |
| 17:31.58 | Shirik | I have been told by others that when ace breaks, it has a tendency to take things down with it (I refuse to confirm or deny this statement, for the record) |
| 17:32.09 | |Jelly| | lol |
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| 17:34.27 | Shirik | and now that that's fixed |
| 17:34.31 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+R] by Shirik |
| 17:34.37 | Valaron|Work | Meh. I'd rather be sleeping. |
| 17:34.40 | Shirik | go auth with nickserv again |
| 17:36.47 | Kaso | ooh new stuff! |
| 17:36.53 | Kaso | -NickServ- You are now identified for Kaso. |
| 17:36.53 | Kaso | -NickServ- 1 failed login since May 29 12:08:43 2008. |
| 17:36.53 | Kaso | -NickServ- Last failed attempt from: Kaso!n=Kaso@resnet02.nat.lancs.ac.uk on May 29 17:36:30 2008. |
| 17:37.05 | Shirik | oh neato |
| 17:37.13 | Shirik | I thought that was just irssi being strange |
| 17:37.19 | Shirik | I noticed something odd from nickserv too :) |
| 17:37.44 | Shirik | 13:33 -!- Shirik n=mpdelbuo conspiracy/developer/Shirik You are now logged in. (id Shirik, username n=mpdelbuo, hostname conspiracy/developer/Shirik) |
| 17:38.07 | Shirik | unless that really was irssi |
| 17:38.10 | Shirik | it could have been, lol |
| 17:39.10 | Kaso | no thats freenode again |
| 17:39.13 | Kaso | i got it too |
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| 17:49.52 | alestane | Someone remind me what the 'static' keyword means at the file level in c? |
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| 17:51.54 | kergoth | due to what section it ends up in, it also gets zeroed by default, if you leave it uninitialized |
| 17:52.01 | kergoth | well, for ELF at least |
| 17:52.05 | kergoth | not sure about coff or others |
| 17:52.12 | _rane | is it possible to leave arena queue through addon? |
| 17:53.42 | Shirik | alestane: static is default for global variables anyway |
| 17:54.27 | alestane | But what does it mean in this context? I'm trying to recontextualize some template code and I want to make sure I'm not missing something. |
| 17:54.28 | kergoth | hm? |
| 17:54.39 | Shirik | it simply means the variable is initialized at compilation time and it doesn't move |
| 17:54.58 | alestane | What would be the alternative then? |
| 17:55.08 | Shirik | well like I said, globals are default static so it's a poor example |
| 17:55.21 | Shirik | but function local static variables make a bit more sense. I used one just recently, let me find an example |
| 17:55.30 | alestane | I more or less know what it means used inside a funciton or a class. |
| 17:55.47 | Shirik | in a class it means something completely different :) |
| 17:55.51 | kergoth | eh? |
| 17:56.02 | alestane | Inside a function it makes the variable persistent across calls to the function, right? |
| 17:56.10 | kergoth | globals aren't static by default in the C standard, last i checked. an unqualified global is global, not static |
| 17:56.17 | kergoth | alestane: yes |
| 17:56.38 | Shirik | kergoth: according to what I'm reading, it is, but I could be wrong |
| 17:56.43 | Shirik | anyway, http://wowuidev.pastey.net/88642 |
| 17:56.44 | alestane | And in a class it means the member function is a member of the class as a whole, rather than an operation on a given instance of the class. |
| 17:56.49 | Shirik | note the static bool at the top |
| 17:57.16 | Shirik | it gets initialized once to false. Each time paintWindow() is called, it does NOT get reset to false |
| 17:57.38 | Shirik | it also exists throughout the execution of the program, and is the same variable every time that function is called |
| 17:57.47 | kergoth | marking a global static makes it only accessible from that translation unit, other object files can't get to it. not qualifying the global as static means it is accessible elsewhere. |
| 17:57.57 | Shirik | thus, once I've set it to true once, every subsequent call sees it as true (unless I were to change it after, but I don't) |
| 17:58.14 | alestane | So on a global it makes the definition internal to the file? |
| 17:58.24 | kergoth | yep |
| 17:58.38 | alestane | Rather like using the local keyword at the file level in Lua? |
| 17:59.03 | Shirik | I dislike that analogy because it's missing what static is actually doing |
| 17:59.11 | Mikk | a file in lua is actually a function |
| 17:59.19 | alestane | I understand that. |
| 17:59.24 | Shirik | the biggest thing about static is that it's initialized at compile time, the memory is already allocated, etc. |
| 17:59.32 | Shirik | a non-static variable is allocated when it's needed |
| 17:59.42 | Shirik | (well, at some point before it's needed) |
| 18:00.04 | Shirik | For this reason, some people use static as "unique identifiers" including Lua |
| 18:00.17 | Shirik | because you can guarantee the memory address will stay the same |
| 18:01.07 | alestane | This is the one issue I have with C++...similar grammatical structures are reused in several different contexts with different implications. |
| 18:02.13 | alestane | Stroustrup's opinion is that 'static' at the file level is a deprecated anachronism. |
| 18:03.27 | Shirik | that would correspond with the fact that I said earlier that what I'm reading says that static is default for global variables |
| 18:03.35 | Shirik | which I'm still trying to verify :P |
| 18:04.00 | alestane | He says that the behavior obtained through the use of that keyword should instead be obtained through including the global in an unnamed namespace. |
| 18:04.25 | Shirik | well C doesn't have namespaces |
| 18:05.06 | Shirik | but I dislike global variables anyway :P Even in C++ |
| 18:05.16 | alestane | "The use of static to indicate 'local to translation unit' is deprecated in C++." |
| 18:05.29 | kergoth | statics in functions are pretty bad also, unless you're using a mutual exclusion mechanism |
| 18:06.04 | Shirik | here we go |
| 18:06.07 | Shirik | "By default, an object or variable that is defined outside all blocks has static duration and external linkage. Static duration means that the object or variable is allocated when the program starts and is deallocated when the program ends." |
| 18:06.32 | nevcairiel | who wouldve guessed |
| 18:06.43 | nevcairiel | wait no, thats how it works and everyone knows it |
| 18:06.58 | Shirik | which implies it's not static by default, it just "lasts as well as static would" |
| 18:07.19 | alestane | But apparently in C the static keyword means "static duration but internal linkage." |
| 18:07.33 | Shirik | right |
| 18:07.40 | Shirik | "When you declare a variable or function at file scope (global and/or namespace scope), the static keyword specifies that the variable or function has internal linkage. When you declare a variable, the variable has static duration and the compiler initializes it to 0 unless you specify another value." |
| 18:08.21 | nevcairiel | the compiler initializes the variable? |
| 18:08.29 | Shirik | well it has to initialize it to something |
| 18:08.36 | Shirik | might as well standardize it |
| 18:08.47 | nevcairiel | usually it just points it to some memory without clearing the memory |
| 18:08.53 | Shirik | well see that's just it |
| 18:09.06 | Shirik | you can't point to the memory without doing something to it for that case |
| 18:09.12 | Shirik | because it's allocated at compile time, not run time |
| 18:09.27 | Shirik | so "something" has to be written there. Should it be random or defined? Either way, you have to put something there |
| 18:09.34 | Shirik | Might as well make it zero |
| 18:10.23 | nevcairiel | asm supports un-initialized variables as well, not sure how that affects the execution |
| 18:10.30 | alestane | My assumption in C was always that if you had some memory allocated, say on the stack, you should assume it was undefined until you initialized it. |
| 18:11.04 | Shirik | nevcairiel: it does, sorta. You can use the "RMB" directive (or whatever it is for IA32), but the assembler still has to put something there when it creates the code |
| 18:11.13 | Shirik | you can't have "emptyness" in a file |
| 18:11.16 | kergoth | "If the declaration of an identifier for a function has no storage-class specifier, its linkage |
| 18:11.16 | kergoth | is determined exactly as if it were declared with the storage-class specifier extern. If |
| 18:11.16 | kergoth | the declaration of an identifier for an object has file scope and no storage-class specifier, |
| 18:11.16 | kergoth | its linkage is external." |
| 18:11.40 | Shirik | alestane: See but there's nothing being allocated, that's the thing |
| 18:11.52 | Shirik | it's already been allocated when you finished compiling it |
| 18:11.53 | cladhaire | For those who were wondering about my perspective on SelectQuestLogEntry() and the people who call it OnUpdate |
| 18:11.55 | cladhaire | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=7017#comment |
| 18:12.06 | Shirik | it's literally a "part of your program" |
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| 18:12.28 | cladhaire | For those who dont' like their addon being hosted on another site with no linkbacks and the guy actually changing your addon descriptions to link to his site: http://www.wowkon.com/project/Addons |
| 18:12.49 | Shirik | cladhaire: can you email that link to me? I can't get to it atm |
| 18:13.25 | kergoth | i don't see anything under storage duration of objects about globals being treated any differently. "An object whose identifier is declared with no linkage and without the storage-class specifier static has automatic storage duration." |
| 18:13.25 | Shirik | alestane: in general, that's true. Memory isn't initialized |
| 18:13.34 | cladhaire | done Shirik |
| 18:13.38 | Shirik | kergoth: I already pasted something that proved your point :) |
| 18:13.44 | kergoth | oh, i was reading :) |
| 18:13.51 | kergoth | never read the standard itself before |
| 18:13.54 | kergoth | interesting stuff |
| 18:14.35 | kergoth | for the curious, http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/n1124.pdf |
| 18:14.45 | Shirik | thanks cladhaire |
| 18:14.46 | Lunessa | "Addon authors not using events is not a good enough answer for me, since that's just those authors being lazy." Good one cladhaire |
| 18:14.46 | kergoth | "This is a WG14 working paper, but it reflects the consolidated standard [C99 + TC1 + TC2] at the time of issue." |
| 18:15.23 | Shirik | alestane: There are only a few cases where memory is initialized for you. Visual studio does it in debug mode to assist you |
| 18:15.28 | alestane | cladhaire: None of those are mine but that looks rather like a gross affront, yes. |
| 18:15.34 | cladhaire | its drupal |
| 18:15.36 | cladhaire | with no credit to them |
| 18:15.37 | cladhaire | fucker. |
| 18:15.39 | Shirik | The other main case is when it has to be initialized because nothing else makes sense |
| 18:16.23 | nevcairiel | "assist you" could be kinda weird |
| 18:16.30 | nevcairiel | in debug mode everythign is fine because VS inits it for you |
| 18:16.36 | nevcairiel | in release builds it crashes |
| 18:16.39 | nevcairiel | and you wonder wtf :D |
| 18:16.48 | Shirik | well not quite nevcairiel |
| 18:16.57 | Shirik | it has a very good reason |
| 18:17.17 | kergoth | i really wish there was an alternative to eclipse, for a portable multi-language IDE |
| 18:17.31 | kergoth | tempted to try starting a project to write one, but itd be a huge project :( |
| 18:17.33 | nevcairiel | IDE's should focus on one main language |
| 18:17.44 | Shirik | see, visual studio checks the memory when you access it |
| 18:17.44 | nevcairiel | otherwise they suck |
| 18:17.48 | nevcairiel | Eclipse is only good for java |
| 18:18.03 | nevcairiel | all other DT's suck |
| 18:18.03 | Shirik | if it hasn't seen a write to it, and it's still 0xCD, then it triggers a breakpoint with the message "uninitialized memory being used" |
| 18:18.30 | Shirik | If you're writing to it, and the block is marked bad with code 0xDD, it triggers a breakpoint with "freed memory being written to" |
| 18:18.33 | kergoth | i disagree, having to use multiple ides for multiple languages just means not having a consistent interface to your tools |
| 18:18.34 | Shirik | etc. |
| 18:18.37 | nevcairiel | didnt it use to init pointers to 0xdeadbeef ? |
| 18:18.53 | Shirik | 0xbaadf00d was one, but that's Microsoft's LocalAlloc(), not Visual Studio |
| 18:18.59 | Shirik | that's a very old function anyway |
| 18:19.26 | Shirik | nowadays it just inits memory in debug mode to 0xCDCDCDCD |
| 18:19.43 | nevcairiel | where is all the fun |
| 18:19.43 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 18:19.46 | nevcairiel | brb reboot |
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| 18:21.05 | alestane | I think I know the answer to this but I thought I'd throw it out there real quick...other that using an access function, is there a way to make a member variable appear const to public access but still be mutable to private or protected access? |
| 18:21.29 | Shirik | but it's really nice nevcairiel http://images.gammatester.com/pics/ca7daabe0aa8ef01414df00436233d49.jpg |
| 18:21.55 | Shirik | alestane: In C++, you can return a const reference |
| 18:22.09 | kergoth | heh, i'm used to having to use valgrind to catch problems like that |
| 18:22.13 | kergoth | VS could spoil a guy |
| 18:22.14 | Shirik | that is, make a public member be a const reference to a private/protected member |
| 18:22.25 | Shirik | kergoth: it's amazing :D |
| 18:22.33 | alestane | Interesting. They have to have different names, though, right? |
| 18:22.50 | kergoth | can you hack vs to build with a mingw or cygwin gcc toolchain? |
| 18:23.02 | Shirik | watch this kergoth |
| 18:23.23 | kergoth | i'd be tempted to start using it for my code if so, i'm sick of using vim, i want better ide type functionality |
| 18:23.41 | nevcairiel | you probably can instruct VS to use other compilers |
| 18:23.43 | nevcairiel | but why? |
| 18:23.59 | nevcairiel | If you dont like the MS compiler, get the Intel version. but other then that, it doesnt get better for Windows |
| 18:25.09 | kergoth | and who says i'll only build for windows? |
| 18:25.12 | kergoth | crosscompilers are our friends |
| 18:25.25 | Shirik | kergoth: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/49e840e3f1e9d684fe3dd24cf974035f.JPG |
| 18:25.35 | Shirik | look at the "output" window at the bottom |
| 18:25.42 | kergoth | nice |
| 18:25.49 | nevcairiel | setup a makefile and build on a *nix shell imho |
| 18:25.54 | Shirik | (for the highlighted lines) |
| 18:26.41 | nevcairiel | does sourceforge still host its compile-farm? |
| 18:26.42 | Shirik | the mem leak from 38 is just due to a static global pointer I didn't kill |
| 18:26.56 | Shirik | because it gets killed at the end of the program. But the one from 80 is obvious |
| 18:27.55 | Shirik | btw kergoth, most compiler settings are configurable |
| 18:28.03 | Shirik | and you can manually enter the command line arguments |
| 18:28.10 | Shirik | so you should be able to stick your own compiler in |
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| 18:30.46 | kergoth | hmm, maybe i'll do my development all in VS then, at least the non-kernel work |
| 18:31.56 | Shirik | I don't, however, know how well attempts to use its debugging features will work when cross-compiling |
| 18:32.26 | Shirik | they do rely on some non-standard calls (like there's this function _check_esi(), and I think it #defines malloc into something for itself) |
| 18:32.44 | Shirik | can't hurt to try though |
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| 18:37.30 | Shirik | kergoth: sometime in the future, I intend to make a good platform-independent IDE |
| 18:37.36 | Shirik | so that my ties to VS are finally severed |
| 18:37.48 | Shirik | it's one big thing that's holding me back |
| 18:38.09 | Shirik | and no, I will not use eclipse |
| 18:38.13 | Shirik | eclipse is evil |
| 18:38.39 | Dashkal | Starting from scratch and building an actual IDE? Should only take you a few years on your own |
| 18:38.53 | Shirik | hey |
| 18:39.00 | Shirik | it will give me something to do |
| 18:39.12 | Shirik | it's just one of those pet projects that I'll probably never finish but lets me do something |
| 18:39.17 | Dashkal | Heh |
| 18:39.19 | Shirik | everyone has those |
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| 18:40.18 | kergoth | what i dislike about eclipse, among other things, is the way it handles editors. i mean, i'm glad its flexible about it, but you shouldnt need more than one text like editor plugin, you just need one really capable one, like vim or emacs in power |
| 18:40.45 | kergoth | and for the love of god, a single place to theme it |
| 18:40.54 | Dashkal | heh, someone did write a vim eclipse editor plugin |
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| 18:41.40 | Dashkal | I've been tempted to hack in the gnome console more than once |
| 18:43.54 | kergoth | yeah, its pretty weak though |
| 18:44.26 | Dashkal | Heh, I'll let you know if I ever do get annoyed enough to do that console thing... Then you really could have vim as your editor. Or emacs, or whatever editor you prefer |
| 18:45.31 | Dashkal | I just want it so I can embed an ssh console in the workbench and have proper pty support |
| 18:52.22 | Kaso | Wait, so they're reverting the changes now? |
| 18:53.18 | Shirik | changes? |
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| 18:54.49 | Shirik | hm, someone just called me from nashville |
| 18:54.55 | Shirik | I don't know this number :/ |
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| 18:56.17 | Lopeppeppy | It's not me! |
| 18:56.45 | Lunessa | They want you to listen to this new country single they're going to release. |
| 18:57.45 | Lopeppeppy | " I done shot my server, and my software's got bugs. But I know that I have my southern lady, and her sweet honky tonk love!" |
| 18:58.06 | Kaso | Shirik the wallaps message about one more services restart, and " Note that this will cause changes made since the migration to disappear." |
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| 19:02.25 | cladhaire | how do you set a fontstring to truncate instead of wrap? |
| 19:02.32 | cladhaire | anyone happen to know off the top of their heads? |
| 19:02.44 | Lunessa | negative, sorry. |
| 19:02.47 | Shirik | I got it Kaso :) |
| 19:02.51 | Shirik | but I haven't made any changes |
| 19:03.20 | Kaso | i presumed it means changes they made to the services, like the things we mentioned earlier |
| 19:03.39 | Shirik | oh I thought they just meant settings |
| 19:03.51 | Kaso | im not sure they could mean that, its abiguous |
| 19:05.34 | Lunessa | So is it just me, or do the WoW Forums no longer automatically makes links of URLs? |
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| 19:06.14 | Lunessa | No, just me. |
| 19:06.53 | Lunessa | Mmm... .sigs still have links, but body text does not. |
| 19:07.15 | Seerah | Lunessa: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6864486401&sid=1 |
| 19:07.15 | Dashkal | Lunessa: they did that intentionally to keep people from linking to pages with the flash exploit |
| 19:07.23 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, it's not just you. There was a notice somewhere about the whole flash keylogger crap... Seerah sees it! |
| 19:07.35 | Seerah | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:07.53 | Dashkal | Seerah wins :p |
| 19:07.56 | Lunessa | Rawr! |
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| 19:09.25 | Lunessa | OMG... the radio is playing Night Ranger's "Sister Christian" I'm totally having a flashback... |
| 19:16.11 | foxlit | (j & 2^j) |
| 19:16.16 | foxlit | fail on multiple levels :( |
| 19:16.23 | Lopeppeppy | Nice, Lunessa. |
| 19:20.52 | Shirik | foxlit: isn't that 0? |
| 19:21.40 | foxlit | possibly, but what I actually meant was ((alphaBlock[i] >> j) & 0x1) |
| 19:21.48 | Shirik | er, wow |
| 19:22.07 | Shirik | and actually it's not even close to zero :) |
| 19:23.38 | foxlit | The BT MC trash sucks :/ |
| 19:23.47 | foxlit | mind control -> hurricane -> breaks -> cancelled |
| 19:23.59 | foxlit | That 60s cooldown? Don't even think about it! |
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| 19:35.26 | Shirik | ok, so on our vending machine there's a little note |
| 19:35.32 | Shirik | "This machine will receive coupon" |
| 19:35.36 | Shirik | any idea what that means? |
| 19:36.10 | foxlit | The machines are having a lottery to determine who will be our new overlords |
| 19:37.42 | alestane | One more "I haven't used C++ in way too log" question: is there a way to distinguish in type definitions between an immutable pointer to a mutable referent, and a mutable pointer to an immutable referent? |
| 19:38.27 | foxlit | http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/8604/finder004vw3.png |
| 19:39.03 | foxlit | So it actually works! |
| 19:40.51 | alestane | NVM, I got it. |
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| 19:41.19 | Fisker- | oh u freenode |
| 19:41.19 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: blp quicklook plugin? |
| 19:41.22 | Fisker- | couldn't speak ;_; |
| 19:41.34 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: yes. |
| 19:41.59 | NightHawkTheSane | neat |
| 19:42.01 | Shirik | yes alestane |
| 19:42.18 | alestane | Page 96: const * vs. * const. |
| 19:42.21 | Shirik | it's just like the difference between "char const*" and "char (const *)" |
| 19:42.45 | Shirik | (note that char const* is the same as const char*) |
| 19:43.08 | Shirik | personally I write them as const char* and char * const so there's zero ambiguity, but meh |
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| 19:44.03 | Shirik | ah sorry, I missed you saying you got it :) |
| 19:45.12 | alestane | Stroustrup's book is very complete but hell to actually look things up int. |
| 19:45.16 | alestane | up in* |
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| 19:49.53 | Arrowmaster | somebody might want to -R due to the services upgrades |
| 19:54.16 | Shirik | is it still down? |
| 19:54.28 | Shirik | I had it -R for a while but services came back up |
| 19:54.47 | Arrowmaster | oh |
| 19:55.03 | Arrowmaster | well it just restarted again |
| 19:55.55 | Arrowmaster | but i think the spammers gone for a while anyway, wowace and curseforge have been ok recently afaik |
| 19:57.24 | Shirik | I agree, but it's not my place to make that decision :) |
| 19:57.36 | Shirik | besides, going off wallops, services should be OK I think |
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| 19:59.33 | Cairenn | yeah, let's try leaving it off now, see what happens |
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| 20:00.25 | Zyuu | <@Kaelten> Please chime in if you don't like your projects posted without your permission: http://forums.wowkon.com/ui-macros/324-why-my-addons-posted-here.html |
| 20:00.30 | Cairenn | if he comes back we'll slap it back on |
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| 20:03.52 | Fisker- | fail foxlit |
| 20:04.03 | Fisker- | it's a mac omgnos |
| 20:04.12 | Zyuu | wowkon even steal the news I post |
| 20:04.16 | Zyuu | by some kind of rss feed thing |
| 20:04.20 | Zyuu | steals world of raids too |
| 20:04.20 | Fisker- | :D |
| 20:04.25 | Fisker- | DMCA GOGOGO |
| 20:04.26 | Zyuu | and NO sources |
| 20:04.50 | *** topic/#WoWUIDev by Shirik -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 2.4.x ToC: 20400 | #WoWUIDev-commits : A place to watch active development of World of Warcraft addons. Multiple Sites' CIA & JIRA bots reporting |
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| 20:07.08 | *** topic/#WoWUIDev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 2.4.x ToC: 20400 | #WoWUIDev-commits : A place to watch active development of World of Warcraft addons. Multiple Sites' CIA & JIRA bots reporting | It's so much easier to suggest solutions when you don't know too much about the problem. - Malcolm Forbes |
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| 20:21.45 | alestane | cladhaire, ckknight : Just wanted to let you know I joined in on that thread you started. |
| 20:21.52 | ckknight | okay |
| 20:22.31 | Fisker- | i donated a lot of money to them |
| 20:22.33 | alestane | None of the stuff they posted is mine, but their M.O. is serious bull$|-|!7. |
| 20:22.33 | Kyahx | nevcairiel: any way I could persuade you to add a "Player Arrow scale" option to Mapster? Should be relatively simple in theory. |
| 20:29.14 | Snago | Kyahx: Could I persuade you to try Embiggen? :) |
| 20:29.43 | Snago | It does exactly that |
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| 20:34.38 | Kyahx | yea, but using Ace2 and a shit-ton of libraries |
| 20:34.41 | Kyahx | for two lines of code |
| 20:34.59 | Kyahx | and I think it's a feature that should be part of mapster proper (no offense :P) |
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| 20:36.05 | DARKGuy | the overhead isn't much anyways |
| 20:36.40 | Kyahx | it is when it's the *only* ace2 mod I would have |
| 20:37.11 | durcyn | except embiggen is ace3 |
| 20:37.53 | durcyn | and doesn't use any hooks or events, so it's pretty light anyway |
| 20:38.00 | Shirik | batrick: ping |
| 20:38.07 | Kyahx | odd, I swear I saw Ace2 things |
| 20:38.14 | Kyahx | im going crazy I guess |
| 20:40.11 | Cairenn | I've posted on that thread as well |
| 20:40.37 | Shirik | I intend to when I'm not at work |
| 20:40.56 | Shirik | if we're talking about that new site, that is |
| 20:41.58 | Cairenn | I was |
| 20:44.44 | batrick | Shirik: pong |
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| 20:48.24 | Shirik | batrick: I have a question for you about transistors |
| 20:48.28 | Wikwocket | Hmm, I think that thread may be the hottest thread in their "forum"... |
| 20:48.32 | batrick | ok |
| 20:49.43 | Shirik | what is the purpose of this? http://images.gammatester.com/pics/176d72b75ad43731b04ee046fdecf965.JPG |
| 20:49.58 | Shirik | doesn't input = output? |
| 20:50.44 | batrick | that's an inverter |
| 20:51.19 | Shirik | oh yeah I'm thinking backwards |
| 20:51.33 | Shirik | thanks :) |
| 20:51.37 | batrick | np |
| 20:51.58 | Shirik | I like BJTs :( |
| 20:52.12 | Shirik | easier to understand |
| 20:52.57 | batrick | *MOS aren't that bad |
| 20:53.02 | batrick | although i've never used BJTs |
| 20:53.47 | Shirik | hey hey, I got through signals and systems with a C! |
| 20:53.49 | Shirik | did I tell you? |
| 20:53.58 | batrick | That class sucks |
| 20:54.00 | Shirik | I should have gotten a D at least, lol |
| 20:54.07 | Shirik | you know, I missed honor roll by .02 |
| 20:54.11 | Shirik | all because of that damn class :P |
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| 20:55.00 | batrick | engineers always get low GPAs :( |
| 20:55.13 | batrick | teachers are evil or something |
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| 20:55.53 | Shirik | that's ok, we make the world go round |
| 20:56.46 | Shirik | wtf, I'm listening to one of my coworkers on the phone and he says |
| 20:56.54 | Shirik | "Yeah, back when I used to work for Lockheed..." |
| 20:57.03 | Shirik | That's one of the companies I'm shooting for next year >.> |
| 20:57.06 | Shirik | I should talk to him |
| 20:58.32 | Lunessa | there is /still/ no cure for stupid. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6869206903&postId=68839890760&sid=1#4 |
| 20:58.34 | DARKGuy | sweet, you'll make programs that will go kamikaze as missiles! |
| 20:59.28 | Fisker- | i like that thread Lunessa |
| 20:59.41 | DARKGuy | hah, the whole thread -and- rule are silly |
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| 21:02.51 | DARKGuy | The thread isn't stupid anyways |
| 21:03.07 | DARKGuy | the guy is the owner of his account, no? he should have the right to share it to whoever he wants |
| 21:03.32 | Fisker- | no |
| 21:03.34 | Lunessa | ... So you haven't bothered to read the EULA either? |
| 21:03.37 | Fisker- | Blizzard is the owner of his account |
| 21:03.40 | Lunessa | Blizzard owns it. |
| 21:03.43 | DARKGuy | Lunessa: too long :P |
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| 21:03.54 | DARKGuy | Yeah I know, it's just silly imho. |
| 21:03.55 | Lunessa | Yeah, well, I suggest you /do/ read it. |
| 21:04.02 | Fisker- | nah |
| 21:04.10 | Thunder_Child | silly or not, it *is* the rules |
| 21:04.16 | Fisker- | because friends do stupid shit on your account |
| 21:04.27 | DARKGuy | Your fault for having stupid friends |
| 21:04.44 | Fisker- | i don't share my account |
| 21:05.11 | Lunessa | ... the mind-bogglingly arrogant stance of that statement almost leaves me speechless. |
| 21:05.16 | DARKGuy | I just find the whole idea silly, he could have shared his account with somebody of trust and not have said anything, yet Blizz can't know ^^ |
| 21:05.16 | Fisker- | But obviously supporting account sharing only opens up a whole new dimension of bullshit that the GM staff has to endure |
| 21:05.33 | DARKGuy | yeah, account selling |
| 21:05.35 | DARKGuy | >< |
| 21:05.39 | DARKGuy | kill those bastards |
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| 21:21.00 | Zurik | hola, howz everyone today? |
| 21:21.06 | zenzelezz | "THEINTERNETS (Reuters)- Following the DOS attack which brought Revision3 to its knees, the site was once against the target of a DOS attack by the popular news site "Slashdot" as thousands of nerds flooded the site at once hoping to find fodder to use against their arch-nemeses the MPAA and the RIAA." |
| 21:21.09 | zenzelezz | heh |
| 21:21.24 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 21:22.45 | zenzelezz | also fun when Slashdot links a site, you follow the link, and are presented with the error "Maximum concurrency limit of 10 exceeded." |
| 21:23.29 | nevcairiel | even with a value of 1000 that would still happen when you get slashdoted |
| 21:23.46 | Lunessa | Someone obviously doesn't understand what a D.O.S. is. |
| 21:24.33 | nevcairiel | slashdot could be a brilliant scam to create a totally anonymous DDoS |
| 21:24.47 | nevcairiel | i mean, just post a link on there with some fancy cover story |
| 21:24.49 | nevcairiel | and you are done |
| 21:25.03 | Lunessa | This message brought to you by The Internets⢠"It's a series of tubes!" |
| 21:25.55 | Shirik | nevcairiel: Link to a very complex search page? |
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| 21:26.14 | nevcairiel | Shirik: wut? |
| 21:26.23 | Shirik | for a DDoS |
| 21:26.33 | Shirik | processing intensive page linked |
| 21:26.38 | nevcairiel | ah |
| 21:26.41 | nevcairiel | doesnt even need that |
| 21:26.59 | Tuller | fruity |
| 21:27.13 | nevcairiel | being slashdoted is worse then having a patch release :P |
| 21:27.33 | Shirik | Anyway, it's time for me to go home |
| 21:27.38 | Shirik | you all have fun slashdotting random pages |
| 21:27.41 | nevcairiel | its time for me to go to sleep |
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| 21:42.57 | [Liquidor] | /script local i = math.random(40); local SRT = SetRaidTargetIcon; SRT("Raid"..i,1); SRT("Raid"..i+1,2); SRT("Raid"..i+2,3); SRT("Raid"..i+3,4); SRT("Raid"..i+4,5); SRT("Raid"..i+5,6); SRT("Raid"..i+6,7); SRT("Raid"..i+7,8); |
| 21:43.11 | [Liquidor] | Spam that in AV = win |
| 21:43.56 | _rane | i think it's a big fail |
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| 21:48.56 | Shirik | huh. |
| 21:48.58 | Shirik | my client auto-identified me |
| 21:49.00 | Shirik | it hasn't done that in years |
| 21:49.04 | Shirik | yey for new services |
| 21:50.17 | Fisker- | :( |
| 21:50.19 | ArrowmasterClass | you know you can auto identify if you specify your password as the server password |
| 21:50.27 | ArrowmasterClass | or you could with the old ones |
| 21:50.46 | Shirik | yeah but that's annoying because it doesn't resolve the other features nbs provides (auto-ghost, etc) |
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| 21:53.42 | Esamynn | ok, I can generally figure out how/where a screenshot was taken, but this one has me stumped: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/ssotd/#1357 |
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| 21:54.12 | Fisker- | lies and slander Shirik |
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| 21:54.42 | Thunder_Child | Esamynn, which one? |
| 21:54.57 | Esamynn | the one I linked |
| 21:54.58 | Drundia | Esamynn, somewhere in zangarmarsh perhaps |
| 21:55.04 | alestane | The coral says STV to me. |
| 21:55.14 | Thunder_Child | what you linked to me is a page of 12 pics |
| 21:55.16 | Weye1 | Esamynn: zangarmarsh world pvp with fishing reward buff |
| 21:55.33 | Esamynn | fishing reward buff? |
| 21:55.33 | [Liquidor] | Thunder_Child, there's Lightbox on the page |
| 21:55.35 | Esamynn | what is this? |
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| 21:55.42 | Weye1 | some trinket that turns you to a fish |
| 21:55.44 | Drundia | from stv fishing |
| 21:55.45 | Weye1 | from stv |
| 21:55.47 | Esamynn | oh |
| 21:55.54 | Drundia | you can get fishing pole or trinket that turns you into a fish |
| 21:55.59 | Esamynn | I didn't know it turned you INTO a fish |
| 21:56.00 | Drundia | when you win |
| 21:56.04 | Thunder_Child | [Liquidor], huh? |
| 21:56.17 | Drundia | it says it does |
| 21:56.38 | nevcairiel | Thunder_Child: there is some java-script goodness to open one of the images |
| 21:56.46 | [Liquidor] | Thunder_Child, JS lib for Image Showcases |
| 21:56.58 | Esamynn | Drundia: so it does |
| 21:57.19 | Thunder_Child | ok, then how are you supped to link just one pic |
| 21:57.26 | Thunder_Child | supposed* |
| 21:57.48 | Esamynn | Thunder_Child: the #1357 is supposed to cause it to bring up a specific pic |
| 21:57.50 | nevcairiel | well the link he gave us opened one specific iamge :P |
| 21:58.12 | nevcairiel | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/ssotd/images/screens/ss1357.jpg |
| 21:58.15 | Thunder_Child | huh...didnt work for me |
| 21:58.15 | nevcairiel | you could use that one |
| 21:58.52 | Thunder_Child | ya, that works, i was just curious |
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| 22:25.14 | Lunessa | http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/05/review-custom-b.html |
| 22:30.18 | Wikwocket | ... wow |
| 22:30.43 | Lunessa | For that kind of cash... I'll buy other things, thank you very much. |
| 22:32.18 | NightHawkTheSane | like.. a car... |
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| 22:53.09 | Nechckn | And here, too |
| 22:53.30 | zenzelezz | lies |
| 22:53.37 | Nechckn | Double aha Esamynn |
| 22:53.47 | Nechckn | zenzelezz it's true I tell ya, true!! |
| 22:54.26 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+b %Nechckn!*@*] by Shirik |
| 22:54.39 | Shirik | hi Nechckn |
| 22:55.26 | Esamynn | ~cheer Shirik |
| 22:55.26 | purl | ACTION cheers Shirik on |
| 22:55.52 | Esamynn | technically, he can still talk ;) |
| 22:56.03 | Shirik | can he? |
| 22:56.07 | Esamynn | yes, he has Voice |
| 22:56.20 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-b %Nechckn!*@*] by Shirik |
| 22:56.22 | Nechckn | Oh ys... he can |
| 22:56.31 | Shirik | yeah but does that override +b? |
| 22:56.38 | Shirik | ah well, not impotant, he learned his lesson |
| 22:56.42 | Nechckn | do it and see |
| 22:56.45 | zenzelezz | voice evades ban? I thought it was only moderated |
| 22:56.46 | Esamynn | Shirik: it does override a mute, yes |
| 22:56.48 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+b %Nechckn!*@*] by Shirik |
| 22:56.52 | Nechckn | BOOO |
| 22:56.54 | Shirik | :( |
| 22:56.57 | Nechckn | Anything |
| 22:56.57 | zenzelezz | interesting |
| 22:57.05 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-v Nechckn] by Shirik |
| 22:57.06 | Shirik | WHAT NOW |
| 22:57.10 | Esamynn | LOL |
| 22:57.13 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-b %Nechckn!*@*] by Shirik |
| 22:58.08 | Thunder_Child | zenzelezz ofc ignoring the fact that if he had the power he would be worse than Shirik |
| 22:58.26 | zenzelezz | I never denied that |
| 22:58.29 | Shirik | haha |
| 22:58.59 | zenzelezz | "I either want less corruption, or more chance to participate in it" |
| 22:59.29 | Esamynn | lol |
| 22:59.30 | Nechckn | good world view... I like it |
| 22:59.41 | Thunder_Child | nope, just make you a hypacrite |
| 23:00.09 | zenzelezz | I've always been a hypocrite, anyone who's paid attention to me in here knows that |
| 23:00.24 | Thunder_Child | wait...we are supposed to pay attention to you? |
| 23:00.35 | zenzelezz | no, but if you did you would have known |
| 23:00.36 | alestane | Actually, one of the defining characteristics of homo sapiens is the ability to get upset that other people are getting things you aren't. |
| 23:00.48 | Thunder_Child | thats envy alestane |
| 23:01.32 | alestane | It was actually described as the sense of unfairness...and the impulse to deny other people things that they won't share with you. |
| 23:02.02 | Nechckn | Oh.. I saw some Nova-type thing about that recently |
| 23:02.12 | zenzelezz | Frost Nova? |
| 23:02.16 | alestane | No other animal has that "well screw you then" impulse. |
| 23:02.39 | Nechckn | not Frost Nova... unfortunately |
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| 23:04.08 | Lunessa | Screw you guys, I'm going home! |
| 23:04.22 | Nechckn | will you take me with you? |
| 23:04.53 | zenzelezz | South Park reference? |
| 23:05.22 | Nechckn | I would guess so.... I want to play with Clyde Frog |
| 23:05.27 | Nechckn | or whatever his name is |
| 23:05.39 | Nechckn | Clive? meh, whatever |
| 23:05.40 | Lunessa | Nechckn: Only if you're about 5'2", blonde or red haired, and have a nice rack. |
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| 23:06.01 | Nechckn | I could get a nice rack... does that count? |
| 23:06.16 | zenzelezz | you need at least a 3U |
| 23:06.37 | Nechckn | fine... give me a few weeks then. |
| 23:06.53 | Lunessa | 3U? |
| 23:07.29 | zenzelezz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rack_unit |
| 23:08.30 | Lunessa | Oy. I meant boobs, but if Nechckn wants to supply me with racks of servers I suppose sleeping in the living room would be ok... |
| 23:12.05 | norgs | Nechckn: First it's a rack, now Lunessa wants multiple racks, prepopulated with servers as well? |
| 23:12.24 | Nechckn | Figures... |
| 23:12.24 | Lunessa | Mostly, I want boobs. And liquor. |
| 23:13.05 | Nechckn | So the list goes Racks, Booze, Racks, Racks with servers.. right? |
| 23:13.07 | Nechckn | =) |
| 23:13.13 | norgs | Boobs come with women, I'venoticed... sometimes not, but they're usually not the ones you want... usually anyhow. |
| 23:13.37 | Nechckn | ahhahah true dat! |
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| 23:14.29 | norgs | Women actually populate about 50% of the planet too..., you just need to know where to look for them |
| 23:14.37 | Nechckn | Shirik "Return what you have stollen." |
| 23:14.54 | Nechckn | norgs under rocks? |
| 23:15.01 | norgs | basements / computer rooms are not where they're at... they're at other places |
| 23:15.11 | Nechckn | ohh... damn |
| 23:15.21 | Nechckn | so that's why! |
| 23:15.35 | Lunessa | The whole point being that unless Nechckn was a woman, I wasn't inclined to take them home with me. But I'd settle for servers. Then he could sleep in the living room. |
| 23:16.04 | Nechckn | well.. when I said "a couple of weeks" that was for the surgery |
| 23:16.24 | Shirik | Nechckn? |
| 23:16.42 | zenzelezz | now Shirik wants some too |
| 23:16.55 | Nechckn | Everyone wants some chicken |
| 23:17.19 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Nechckn] by Shirik |
| 23:17.27 | Shirik | you know you could just /cs voice, right? |
| 23:17.29 | norgs | i like mine cooked |
| 23:17.29 | Nechckn | ty |
| 23:17.49 | norgs | nummy hot roast ckickens... |
| 23:17.50 | Nechckn | I could... but that's not the point ;-) |
| 23:18.49 | norgs | Not that I'd ever cook Nikky a'course! |
| 23:19.07 | Nechckn | that would be one tough bird |
| 23:19.13 | norgs | lol |
| 23:19.27 | Nechckn | all grissle and tendon... no fun there |
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| 23:36.01 | DARKGuy | Hi :() |
| 23:36.02 | DARKGuy | :) |
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| 23:55.45 | Duman | hmm, should I just go buy an nvidia 9800gtx? |
| 23:55.57 | Duman | this 7950 has issues sometimes |
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