| 00:00.01 | Kajas | The GUI is made in the XML the vaules are set to tokens that are assigned values in the LUA, 1 sec and I'll repaste the pastey link |
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| 00:02.57 | Kajas | XML: http://www.pastey.net/88466 | Code: http://www.pastey.net/88435 |
| 00:11.08 | Kirov | Kajas - all your OnLoad handlers for the check buttons include "if ..." statements. |
| 00:11.09 | Kirov | That's bad |
| 00:11.32 | Kirov | That means the only time they'll be set is "OnLoad" (ie: when they're first created, which is BEFORE the saved variables have been loaded) |
| 00:12.03 | Kajas | At the risk of sounding completely dense.. I don't fully follow ya on that one |
| 00:12.17 | Kajas | OnLoad --> Don't use 'if' statments.. got'cha |
| 00:12.48 | Kajas | Instead put that stuff in OnShow? |
| 00:12.51 | Kirov | Yes |
| 00:13.13 | Kirov | That way when the gui is shown it'll reconfigure itself. |
| 00:13.17 | Kajas | What would one typically put, if anything, in the OnLoad.. just event registering? |
| 00:13.31 | Kirov | Event registering, setting text is fine too |
| 00:13.41 | Kirov | Think of them as the "defaults" |
| 00:14.06 | Kirov | That code will only run once, and will run as soon as the .xml file is loaded. |
| 00:14.20 | Shirik | alternatively, you need to respond to VARIABLES_LOADED |
| 00:14.25 | Shirik | that's the more correct way of doing it tbh |
| 00:15.03 | Shirik | although OnShow will likely give you what you want |
| 00:15.32 | Kirov | Shirik - VARIABLES_LOADED, or ADDON_LOADED, but for a options gui it's usually better to just do it OnShow since you really don't care if the variables change while the options are closed. |
| 00:15.39 | Kajas | Vars Loaded -> set the default if nothing was loaded from the saved var (first use).. OnShow -> Change the IsChecked tag based on the info loaded..? |
| 00:16.07 | Shirik | "usually better to do it OnShow" I would disagree. But to each is own |
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| 00:16.49 | Kirov | Kajas - The defaults for the frame (ie: text to show, color, etc.). Ignore defaults for the addon. |
| 00:17.03 | Kajas | pardon? |
| 00:17.29 | Kirov | <OnLoad> |
| 00:17.30 | Kirov | getglobal(this:GetName().."Text"):SetText("Reveal Accumulated\nJackpot."); |
| 00:17.35 | Kirov | that part is fine |
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| 00:17.51 | Kirov | You're setting the "defaults" for that frame's visual components. |
| 00:18.50 | Kajas | "static" elements can be set OnLoad, dynamic elements need to be set at Vars Loaded or OnShow.. yes? |
| 00:19.12 | Kirov | basically, yes. |
| 00:19.38 | Kajas | *ding* the light switches to 'ON' .. okay.. and the diff between Vars Loaded and Addon Loaded? |
| 00:20.46 | Funkeh` | ex em el :( |
| 00:21.07 | Kirov | VARIABLES_LOADED is basically "everything has loaded" (not including load on demand, but that's later) |
| 00:21.21 | Kirov | ADDON_LOADED means everything pertaining to that specific addon is loaded |
| 00:21.32 | Shirik | OnLoad -> VARIABLES_LOADED -> ADDON_LOADED |
| 00:21.34 | Kirov | ADDON_LOADED has a single arg1 that is the name of the addon |
| 00:21.40 | Shirik | except in the case of LoD |
| 00:21.56 | Shirik | well yes in the case of LoD too, but... |
| 00:21.59 | Shirik | bleh, don't want to confuse you |
| 00:22.01 | Kirov | Shirik - I thought VARIABLES_LOADED was after all ADDON_LOADED? |
| 00:22.11 | Shirik | nop |
| 00:22.26 | Shirik | ADDON_LOADED always fires after the data is available; at least, according to everything I've read |
| 00:22.44 | Shirik | I haven't had a need to test it in a while; Conspiracy's load system works for me |
| 00:22.49 | Shirik | I use PreInit/PostInit |
| 00:23.37 | Kajas | wow.. suddenly I feel like I have a whole lot more to learn, lol |
| 00:24.10 | Shirik | trust me, there is a lot. But most of it you don't need to know |
| 00:24.14 | Shirik | you learn things as you need them |
| 00:24.25 | Shirik | no reason to know everything if (like most cases) you're only going to use 10% |
| 00:24.35 | Kirov | I generally ignore VARIABLES_LOADED now and just go with ADDON_LOADED with arg1 checking for my addon name. |
| 00:24.43 | Kajas | and I thank you guys for all the help you give.. been a tremendous source of information |
| 00:24.57 | Shirik | I still don't know the new combat log system. I write code for Auctioneer and a few other utilities. I don't need to know it, so for the time being, I don't care. |
| 00:25.12 | Kajas | Okay, so Addon_Loaded would be generally the way to go (to form the habit early) |
| 00:25.23 | Kirov | time for me to go |
| 00:25.41 | Shirik | yes |
| 00:25.46 | Shirik | most people follow ADDON_LOADED |
| 00:26.01 | Shirik | s/most/many/ |
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| 00:47.52 | cloudwolf | hi people |
| 00:48.44 | cloudwolf | no one here? |
| 00:50.08 | cloudwolf | im alone! |
| 00:52.31 | Kajas | not alone, we're just lurking |
| 00:52.56 | Lukian | cloudwolf, don't expect a reply in 2minutes on irc :p |
| 00:53.22 | NightHawkTheSane | everyone's alone, in the end. |
| 00:53.28 | cloudwolf | lol |
| 00:53.32 | cloudwolf | but i like over reacting |
| 00:53.56 | cloudwolf | can some one help me debug an issue? |
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| 00:58.57 | cloudwolf | please? |
| 00:59.27 | Lukian | ~asktoask |
| 00:59.28 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 00:59.53 | cloudwolf | Lukian i dind't ask to ask |
| 00:59.56 | cloudwolf | i asked if some one would help |
| 01:00.21 | cloudwolf | but hwat ever Wow wount register that ive created ac ustom slash command |
| 01:00.34 | cloudwolf | I don't see anything wrong with the code and i don't know why its having issues |
| 01:00.37 | Lukian | I'm sure the bot has a fact to that effect, but fucked if I can be bothered figuring it out :p |
| 01:02.02 | cloudwolf | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/88467 |
| 01:02.04 | cloudwolf | theres the code sofar |
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| 01:05.51 | cloudwolf | eather everyones buisy or not many people are on ^^ |
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| 01:11.44 | Kajas | Do you have any errors that shows up in-game? |
| 01:12.05 | Kajas | when you use the slash-command |
| 01:14.27 | cloudwolf | just the type '/help' for a list of chat commands |
| 01:14.37 | cloudwolf | in other words doesn't register that its a valid command |
| 01:14.56 | Kajas | It won't show up in the /help |
| 01:15.43 | Dashkal | Math_Command would have to be defined before the SlashCmdList["MATH"] = Math_Command line |
| 01:15.47 | Dashkal | erm, wait, it is |
| 01:15.48 | Dashkal | nevermind |
| 01:16.18 | cloudwolf | kajas |
| 01:16.24 | cloudwolf | i know it wount register if i type that |
| 01:16.47 | cloudwolf | for no reason at all it doesnt register that its a command that i made |
| 01:19.05 | Dashkal | cloudwolf: the code itself looks fine, so to check an edge case... is the file being loaded at all? (is it in the toc? Is your addon activated on the addons screen?) |
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| 01:20.44 | Kajas | and are there any errors in the FramesXML file |
| 01:22.44 | Kajas | The only thing different between your slash declaration and mine is that in yours the "SLASH_MATH1" preceeds "SlashCmdList" where as I have the "SlashCmdList" first.. dunno if that has anything to do with it or not, but that's how I have mine set |
| 01:24.58 | cloudwolf | ive treid both ways |
| 01:25.00 | cloudwolf | didnt fix |
| 01:25.07 | cloudwolf | i also tried out side of an onload function |
| 01:25.13 | cloudwolf | aka after a function |
| 01:25.15 | cloudwolf | still didn't work |
| 01:25.19 | cloudwolf | it used to work before i pust in |
| 01:25.26 | cloudwolf | local parameter = { strsplit(" ", cmd); |
| 01:25.26 | cloudwolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:25.26 | cloudwolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:25.26 | cloudwolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:25.38 | cloudwolf | ); |
| 01:25.58 | cloudwolf | I have no xml file |
| 01:26.13 | cloudwolf | because this is going to be a pure text based addon |
| 01:26.15 | Kajas | Did you check your FramesXML file? I've had lua errors show up in there |
| 01:26.25 | cloudwolf | I don't have any xml file at all |
| 01:26.41 | Dashkal | Kajas is referring to a file sitting in wow's log directory, not your addon code |
| 01:26.41 | MentalPower | check it |
| 01:26.49 | MentalPower | FrameXML.log |
| 01:27.03 | MentalPower | it does not matter if you have no XML files |
| 01:28.13 | cloudwolf | where do i find framxml.log? |
| 01:28.19 | cloudwolf | *framexml.log |
| 01:28.34 | cloudwolf | i see a framexml.toc |
| 01:28.45 | Kajas | World of Warcraft\Logs\FrameXML.log |
| 01:28.46 | MentalPower | logs folder |
| 01:29.11 | cloudwolf | ok hwat am il ooking for in it? |
| 01:29.38 | Dashkal | look near the bottom for anything related to your addon |
| 01:29.45 | Kajas | search for your addon's name |
| 01:30.19 | cloudwolf | Interface\AddOns\firstslashcmd\firstslashcmd.lua:7: unexpected symbol near 'local' |
| 01:30.25 | Kajas | There's your error |
| 01:30.32 | cloudwolf | rofl what local is local |
| 01:30.34 | cloudwolf | i have 3 locals XD |
| 01:30.40 | Dashkal | line 7 |
| 01:30.45 | Dashkal | file:line:error |
| 01:30.59 | Kajas | local parameter = { strsplit(" ", cmd); << Your error line |
| 01:31.03 | cloudwolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:31.18 | Kajas | err yeah, that one |
| 01:31.24 | Kajas | it should be #parameter; I believe |
| 01:31.30 | MentalPower | no |
| 01:31.31 | cloudwolf | ok lemmy try that |
| 01:31.37 | Kajas | I'm being corrected :) |
| 01:31.37 | MentalPower | Kajas: is right |
| 01:31.45 | MentalPower | check the line before |
| 01:31.53 | MentalPower | you have a missing } |
| 01:31.59 | cloudwolf | i just saw that mental lol |
| 01:32.27 | cloudwolf | btw what lua editors do you guys use im using notpad++ |
| 01:32.40 | MentalPower | me too |
| 01:33.20 | cloudwolf | uhm i just added the end bracket and removed the space |
| 01:33.27 | cloudwolf | still doesnt register that /math is a valid command |
| 01:33.30 | Kajas | I use notepad for the code |
| 01:33.41 | cloudwolf | kajas lol notpad? notpad++ has highlighting :D |
| 01:33.44 | Kajas | reloaded the ui? |
| 01:33.44 | Dashkal | check (reoload) your log file and look for new errors |
| 01:33.57 | MentalPower | cloudwolf: re-paste yer code |
| 01:34.06 | cloudwolf | Interface\AddOns\firstslashcmd\firstslashcmd.lua:11: 'end' expected (to close 'function' at line 5) near '<eof>' |
| 01:34.07 | cloudwolf | .... |
| 01:34.11 | cloudwolf | errr wtf? |
| 01:34.20 | Dashkal | you started a function or if block and forgot an end |
| 01:34.31 | Kajas | You didn't end the if statement |
| 01:34.35 | MentalPower | cloudwolf: you never closed the if |
| 01:34.38 | cloudwolf | ... |
| 01:34.42 | cloudwolf | how do i close the if |
| 01:34.45 | Dashkal | end |
| 01:34.45 | cloudwolf | do i put an else? |
| 01:34.45 | MentalPower | end |
| 01:34.46 | Kajas | you open the function on line 5 an dclose the func at line 11 |
| 01:34.52 | Kajas | if <this> then <that> end |
| 01:35.04 | Dashkal | if <condition> then <code> else <more code> end |
| 01:35.04 | cloudwolf | function Math_Command(cmd) |
| 01:35.04 | cloudwolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:35.04 | cloudwolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:35.04 | cloudwolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:35.04 | cloudwolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:35.04 | cloudwolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:35.05 | MentalPower | ~pil |
| 01:35.06 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 01:35.06 | cloudwolf | end |
| 01:35.14 | Kajas | you started if on line 8.. and you have the 'then' on line 8. you don't have an 'end' |
| 01:35.26 | MentalPower | cloudwolf: don't do that again, use pastey |
| 01:35.36 | cloudwolf | fine mental |
| 01:35.36 | Kajas | on your pastey post, line 8 |
| 01:35.43 | Kajas | you start an 'if' block |
| 01:35.48 | Kajas | you state 'then' on line 8 |
| 01:36.00 | Kajas | you need an 'end' statement to close off your if/else conditional |
| 01:36.10 | cloudwolf | i dont have an else could that be the problem? |
| 01:36.15 | Kajas | no |
| 01:36.18 | Kajas | if <this> then |
| 01:36.18 | cloudwolf | or do i need end end? |
| 01:36.19 | Kajas | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:36.20 | NightHawkTheSane | ... are you just not reading what's being written? |
| 01:36.20 | Kajas | end |
| 01:36.32 | Kajas | if you have 'if' you -must- have 'end' |
| 01:36.58 | cloudwolf | christ i have an end... |
| 01:37.04 | Kajas | 1 sec |
| 01:37.47 | NightHawkTheSane | you clearly don't have the correct number of them. |
| 01:37.53 | cloudwolf | mine goes if (condition) then then i have an end |
| 01:38.01 | cloudwolf | thats what i was asking earlier |
| 01:38.10 | cloudwolf | i aprantly need end end |
| 01:38.18 | Kajas | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/88469 |
| 01:38.19 | MentalPower | so the end that is there is for the if? |
| 01:38.30 | cloudwolf | i think i wasnt finishing the function |
| 01:38.30 | MentalPower | cloudwolf: you also need to close the function, with another end |
| 01:38.34 | Kajas | you -must- 'end' the 'if' block |
| 01:38.44 | Kajas | and .. what Mental just said |
| 01:38.53 | NightHawkTheSane | regardless of what's intended, the end is syntactically linked to the if block, so the error is for the function. |
| 01:39.04 | cloudwolf | ok |
| 01:39.06 | cloudwolf | time to try again |
| 01:39.28 | Kajas | function -> if -> then -> end [ends the 'if' conditional] -> end [ends the function call] |
| 01:39.36 | Kajas | or |
| 01:39.42 | Kajas | function -> if -> then -> end [ends the 'if' conditional] -> more stuff -> end [ends the function call] |
| 01:39.54 | cloudwolf | its amazing how simple an error is and how stupid it seems when you finnaly find it |
| 01:40.08 | Kajas | Amen to that |
| 01:40.10 | NightHawkTheSane | or, in your case, when you just dont understand what your doing. |
| 01:40.18 | cloudwolf | Night you don't have to be ajerk |
| 01:40.21 | cloudwolf | i know im anoob to lua |
| 01:40.35 | Kajas | That's when proper tabulation is crucial so you know when you're missing an 'end' statement |
| 01:41.21 | MentalPower | cloudwolf: read (or buy) PiL and wowprogramming books, they will help immensely |
| 01:41.23 | MentalPower | ~pil |
| 01:41.24 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 01:41.28 | MentalPower | ~wowprogramming |
| 01:41.29 | purl | i heard wowprogramming is World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons (http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob) a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 01:41.40 | Kajas | The WoWProgramming book I bought and I -highly- recommend it |
| 01:41.46 | MentalPower | ~literal wowprogramming |
| 01:41.46 | purl | "wowprogramming" is "World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons (http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob) a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com" |
| 01:41.54 | cloudwolf | >.> still doesn't fix my issue with not having it recognize the slash command |
| 01:42.06 | Kajas | check the framesXML again |
| 01:42.10 | MentalPower | purl no, wowprogramming is <reply>World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons (http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob) a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 01:42.11 | purl | MentalPower: okay |
| 01:42.14 | MentalPower | ~wowprogramming |
| 01:42.14 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons (http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob) a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 01:42.19 | cloudwolf | STOP IT GOD DAMN IT |
| 01:42.24 | cloudwolf | thats anoying me |
| 01:42.25 | cloudwolf | and doesn't help me |
| 01:42.35 | MentalPower | I was fixing the factoid |
| 01:42.37 | NightHawkTheSane | it would if you read them and stopped bothering us with your petty problems |
| 01:42.37 | MentalPower | chill |
| 01:42.41 | Kajas | Please watch the language, by my request. that was very offensive |
| 01:43.31 | Kajas | PM-FILTER: This User Requests Permission Be Given Before All PM's. |
| 01:43.39 | cloudwolf | sorry kajas.... |
| 01:43.45 | cloudwolf | sorry kajas again |
| 01:43.45 | Kajas | no worries |
| 01:43.56 | cloudwolf | can i pm you?... |
| 01:44.05 | MentalPower | check framexml again |
| 01:44.25 | Kajas | I'm no expert in this area, please post your questions in main chat.. these guys have helped me to no end on the addOn I'm working on |
| 01:44.26 | cloudwolf | i did and its not finding anything for my addon |
| 01:44.50 | MentalPower | cloudwolf: can you please update the pastey with the latest code? |
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| 01:46.14 | cloudwolf | do i use paste fallow up to update because im un familiar with pasty |
| 01:46.29 | MentalPower | you can do either really |
| 01:46.46 | MentalPower | just make sure you paste the new link in here |
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| 01:47.53 | cloudwolf | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/88470 |
| 01:48.48 | MentalPower | I believe that you need to have the function declaration after the slash command registration |
| 01:50.10 | cloudwolf | i have it set up slashcommand and then the slashcmdlist calling the function |
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| 01:50.38 | cloudwolf | so should i flip the order of the two lines of code in the onload function? |
| 01:51.14 | MentalPower | no |
| 01:51.37 | MentalPower | move the slash command registration, the entire onload, after the handler function |
| 01:51.54 | cloudwolf | ok |
| 01:52.02 | Kajas | also, swap SLASH_MATH1 and SlashCmdList |
| 01:52.17 | Kajas | So you're adding the "MATH" to the list, and then making the command for it |
| 01:52.32 | MentalPower | Kajas: that does not matter |
| 01:52.39 | Kajas | Really? Cool *learned something* |
| 01:53.05 | cloudwolf | mental im sorry for freaking out earlier |
| 01:53.13 | cloudwolf | and everyone else |
| 01:53.46 | MentalPower | happens :) |
| 01:53.58 | cloudwolf | Just reloaded ui and still doesn't find that i made a slash command |
| 01:54.08 | cloudwolf | could it be having issues with it being called /math? |
| 01:54.12 | Kajas | my thought.. reload the ui |
| 01:54.13 | MentalPower | nah |
| 01:54.14 | Kajas | err |
| 01:54.15 | Kajas | game |
| 01:54.25 | MentalPower | Kajas' idea is a good one tho |
| 01:54.42 | cloudwolf | ile try it |
| 01:54.42 | MentalPower | after you close the game delete the framexml.log file |
| 01:54.49 | MentalPower | and start teh game again |
| 01:55.11 | cloudwolf | is it important to delte the log file? |
| 01:55.52 | Kajas | kinda.. that way you start with a fresh log file |
| 01:56.07 | Kajas | and just for you to look at, here's my slash register for my addon: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/88471 |
| 01:57.05 | Legorol | Deleting the log file makes no difference. A fresh one is automatically created with each UI load. |
| 01:57.31 | MentalPower | Legorol: good to know :) |
| 01:57.52 | Legorol | It's been a pain in my behind too many times :D It overwrites the previous one. |
| 01:57.59 | cloudwolf | my addon isn't in hte log |
| 01:58.02 | cloudwolf | and it still doesn't register |
| 01:58.04 | MentalPower | cloudwolf: also, Lua is 1-based, not 0-based, so this will always be false "if(parameter[0] == "add") then" |
| 01:58.07 | cloudwolf | i honestly have no idea what i did wrong |
| 01:58.16 | cloudwolf | ok |
| 01:58.45 | Legorol | cloudwolf: There can be two reasons for your addon not showing up in the log. 1) Your addon completely fails to load in the first place (incorrect .toc file for example) 2) There is no syntax error in the Lua and XML files, and it's loading just fine. |
| 01:58.57 | Legorol | If there are no errors whatsoever with the syntax, the addon doesn't show up in the log. |
| 01:58.59 | MentalPower | I think its 2 |
| 01:59.16 | Legorol | I haven't been following the convo, have you requested a pastey of .toc, .lua and .xml already? |
| 01:59.24 | MentalPower | cloudwolf: can you add this to the bottom of your file "ChatFrame1:AddMessage("Loaded!")" |
| 01:59.42 | Kajas | <cloudwolf> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/88470 |
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| 01:59.56 | cloudwolf | Legoro i have no xml file |
| 02:00.05 | cloudwolf | because i have no visual effects to this besides text |
| 02:00.07 | MentalPower | Legorol: no xml, lua is http://wowuidev.pastey.net/88470 and no toc errors since the mod *was* in the framexml.log earlier due to syntax errors |
| 02:00.25 | cloudwolf | afk a min |
| 02:00.40 | Kajas | The order of the SLASH_MATH1 and SlashCmdList, doesn't matter? |
| 02:00.49 | MentalPower | nop |
| 02:01.04 | MentalPower | they're both table additions, nothing more |
| 02:01.20 | Kajas | ahh |
| 02:01.32 | MentalPower | (and neither has a metatable) |
| 02:01.38 | Legorol | Just to be safe, let's cover all bases, and let's have a pastey of the .toc file |
| 02:01.54 | Legorol | It most likely won't help anything, but good to have |
| 02:01.58 | Kajas | cloudwolf: when you type /math .. do it say that it's not a valid command.. or does it do absolutely nothing? |
| 02:02.08 | cloudwolf | it gives me in the chat log |
| 02:02.18 | cloudwolf | type '/help' for a list of commands |
| 02:02.21 | Kajas | k |
| 02:02.24 | Legorol | Kajas: it never says anything along the lines of "not a valid command" |
| 02:02.28 | cloudwolf | never |
| 02:02.33 | Kajas | that msg is what I was referring to |
| 02:02.39 | Legorol | yup, but be precise please :) |
| 02:02.42 | Legorol | it can cause confusion |
| 02:02.44 | Kajas | :) |
| 02:02.56 | Kajas | Will Do |
| 02:03.01 | cloudwolf | you want a pasty of my toc correct? |
| 02:03.10 | Legorol | yes please |
| 02:03.15 | Legorol | And I found your problem. |
| 02:03.20 | cloudwolf | you did? |
| 02:03.33 | Legorol | You have a Math_OnLoad() function in your Lua file. Are you expecting it to be somehow magically executed for you? |
| 02:03.43 | Legorol | Just because you name a function _OnLoad doesn't mean WoW will execute it. |
| 02:03.52 | Legorol | There is no special meaning associated with function names. |
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| 02:04.05 | cloudwolf | ok so inside the brackets do i put onload? |
| 02:04.16 | Legorol | Which brackets? |
| 02:04.19 | cloudwolf | () |
| 02:04.32 | Kajas | just take out the OnLoad function and leave the slash stuff in tact.. (my thoughts) |
| 02:04.33 | Legorol | You may have seen people name their functions AddOnName_OnLoad, but that's just a convention, nothing more |
| 02:04.57 | Legorol | cloudwolf: no, I think you havea fundamental misunderstanding here of how WoW handles a Lua file. |
| 02:05.20 | Legorol | WoW will read your Lua file, every function that's defined in it is added to the globally available set of functions, and that's it. |
| 02:05.28 | Legorol | WoW will not execute any of the functions for you. |
| 02:05.40 | cloudwolf | Then how do you make na onload? |
| 02:05.46 | cloudwolf | or is that in a different file? |
| 02:05.55 | Legorol | There are two solutions. One is to use an XML file, but there is a simpler solution. |
| 02:06.09 | Legorol | Anything you put in your Lua file *outside* a function definition is executed when the Lua file loads. |
| 02:06.20 | cloudwolf | ok |
| 02:06.34 | cloudwolf | what language do i set the pasty for a toc? |
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| 02:06.37 | cloudwolf | or leave it lua? |
| 02:06.38 | Legorol | To be more precise: WoW treats a Lua file as a single Lua chunk. A Lua chunk is an executable block of Lua code. |
| 02:06.40 | Kajas | "none" |
| 02:06.57 | Legorol | Technically speaking, a Lua file is just Lua code you want WoW to execute. |
| 02:07.10 | cloudwolf | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/88472 |
| 02:07.25 | Kajas | aka a 'script' |
| 02:07.30 | Legorol | In Lua, the keyword "function" is a statement, just like "if" or "while". When you execute the "function" statement, it results in a new function being created. |
| 02:07.56 | cloudwolf | and end deletes the function correct? |
| 02:07.57 | Legorol | (ok that's not 100% technically correct explanation, but is 99% accurate here) |
| 02:08.02 | Legorol | Deletes? |
| 02:08.05 | cloudwolf | nvm |
| 02:08.17 | Kajas | doesn't delete it, simply closes that block |
| 02:08.22 | cloudwolf | k |
| 02:09.13 | cloudwolf | ok |
| 02:09.19 | cloudwolf | it registers my slash cmd now |
| 02:09.20 | cloudwolf | ty |
| 02:09.38 | cloudwolf | how do i make a string relay a local? |
| 02:10.20 | MentalPower | cloudwolf: if you're referring to "DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("result");" just make it "DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(result);" |
| 02:10.21 | cloudwolf | instead of "result" what do i type? |
| 02:10.26 | cloudwolf | k ty |
| 02:10.30 | cloudwolf | i was thinking it might be that |
| 02:10.45 | Legorol | I have no idea what you mean by relaying a local. |
| 02:10.46 | MentalPower | there is no automatic variable expansion in Lua |
| 02:10.58 | MentalPower | Legorol: line 10 in his lua file |
| 02:11.00 | Legorol | I have no idea what variable expansion is. |
| 02:11.05 | cloudwolf | TY so much |
| 02:11.11 | MentalPower | Legorol: ever used Perl or PHP? |
| 02:11.15 | Legorol | cloudwolf: you need to learn Lua's syntax. |
| 02:11.23 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: presumably expanding a variable inside a literal string |
| 02:11.29 | MentalPower | aye |
| 02:11.35 | Legorol | MentalPower: can't say I have. I have used bash, csh and tcsh which have variable expansion, but Lua has no concept of it. |
| 02:11.40 | Legorol | So irrelevant here. |
| 02:11.43 | MentalPower | I know |
| 02:11.51 | MentalPower | he was basically asking how to do so in Lua |
| 02:11.52 | cloudwolf | ty guys its working |
| 02:12.25 | Legorol | MentalPower: no I don't think so, I think he just has no idea of Lua's syntax. Go read at least a basic Lua intro instead of us having to explain the difference between a variabl and a string literal. |
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| 02:13.03 | MentalPower | cloudwolf: I will echo Legorol suggestion, you should really read PiL (at least the online version) before you go any further |
| 02:15.37 | Legorol | So don't try that at home |
| 02:15.43 | Legorol | lol Lopeppeppy |
| 02:18.05 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy is a spy |
| 02:18.14 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, very much so. *laugh* |
| 02:18.23 | Legorol | I think Lopeppeppy is just an obsessive notetaker. |
| 02:18.28 | Legorol | Do you ever read those notes btw? :o) |
| 02:18.34 | Shirik | that's ok |
| 02:18.37 | Shirik | I never read my notes either |
| 02:18.45 | Legorol | You must have heaps of them by now |
| 02:18.52 | Shirik | by the time finals have come, I'll have lost them |
| 02:18.53 | Lopeppeppy | Legorol, once I write it down I remember it without having to consult. But I do use my notes for other projects. |
| 02:18.55 | Legorol | Oh I love taking notes too and not read them |
| 02:19.15 | Legorol | That's true, writing it down helps to remember |
| 02:19.29 | Legorol | I really should stop doing that |
| 02:19.42 | NightHawkTheSane | I figure, why go through the trouble of writing down something i'll eventually lose and forget anyway, so i never bother learning it in the first place. :P That doesnt work out quite as well as you'd imagine. >.> |
| 02:20.00 | Kemayo | Remembering things is what google is for. |
| 02:20.25 | Lopeppeppy | If Google were smarter than bird droppings, I might agree. |
| 02:21.06 | Kemayo | Okay, okay, so you do have to remember how to write good google searches. |
| 02:21.24 | Legorol | So shall I take notes on that? |
| 02:21.27 | NightHawkTheSane | thats the only really useful skill, though :P |
| 02:21.41 | Legorol | Although I had a major victory today. |
| 02:22.11 | Legorol | I was having trouble with the DVD burner on my laptop, it was awfully slow at writing. I did the standard update drivers etc. routines, no luck. |
| 02:22.45 | Legorol | Then I decided to ask Google. Somehow magically I managed to type the right search string, because the first hit contained a forum discussion where a solution was proposed, seconded, and acknowledged by the OP to work. I tried it and it worked. |
| 02:23.20 | NightHawkTheSane | nice. thats like google nirvana. |
| 02:23.27 | Lopeppeppy | It happens so very rarely though. |
| 02:23.31 | Legorol | Yup it is |
| 02:23.32 | Lopeppeppy | That's like trusting a wiki |
| 02:23.33 | NightHawkTheSane | just like real nirvana. |
| 02:24.03 | Legorol | It was awesome, especially because it was a really obscure solution as well. Finding it in the first hit of the first search string I tried was really lucky. |
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| 02:24.39 | Legorol | Icing on the cake: there was enough technical detail in the posts to explain why the solution is necessary/works. It wasn't just a "do this voodoo and it works" |
| 02:25.30 | Lopeppeppy | That's... gotta be an urban legend! |
| 02:26.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: now i'm idly curious what the problem/soloution was. :p |
| 02:26.26 | MentalPower | me too |
| 02:26.28 | cloudwolf | Thanks guys for the help |
| 02:26.41 | cloudwolf | ive book marked pil and the wow book site |
| 02:27.29 | Legorol | The symptom was what I described: very slow burn speed, around 0.7x on a DVD+R, consistently, on every disk, all teh time. |
| 02:27.38 | Legorol | It took 90 minutes to burn a DVD each time. |
| 02:28.21 | Legorol | The solution was: in Device Manager, delete the IDE channel that had the DVD drive connected to it, then let Windows autodetect it again. |
| 02:28.27 | Legorol | The reasoning: |
| 02:28.52 | Legorol | Windows XP has the habit of flagging an IDE drive of any type as "unreliable" if it encounters read/write errors. |
| 02:29.12 | Legorol | This flagging is done by disabling DMA on the associated IDE channel, and allowing only PIO access. |
| 02:29.38 | Legorol | (PIO is an ancient technology, uber-slow and causes your machine to be semi-responsive or non-responsive during strenuous IO activities like burning) |
| 02:29.41 | Corrodias | indeed, quite an annoying bug |
| 02:29.52 | Corrodias | no... feature |
| 02:30.04 | Legorol | This restriction persists across reboots, and there is no way to reset it so that Windows allows the use of DMA again. |
| 02:30.19 | Legorol | The only solution is the one I deescribed, which is to delete the IDE channel and make Windows think you acquired a new one. |
| 02:30.27 | NightHawkTheSane | huh, interesting |
| 02:30.55 | Legorol | This apparently can happen with CD/DVD burners, and is a common problem. It can be triggered by a single faulty medium, which caused a lot of write errors. |
| 02:31.16 | Legorol | The end result is: a single faulty disk that you binned permanently slows your burner. |
| 02:31.27 | Lukian | yet another reason to not use windows :p |
| 02:31.42 | Legorol | Nah, there is a solution, which I found (thanks Google), so why not ;-) |
| 02:31.54 | Legorol | I'm sure the various forms of Linuces also have various annoying bugs. |
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| 02:34.06 | Lukian | I haven't seen anything as stupid as that :D |
| 02:35.35 | cloudwolf | legorol what area of pil would have info on DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage? or would any |
| 02:35.44 | Legorol | None of it |
| 02:35.48 | cloudwolf | ok |
| 02:35.50 | cloudwolf | just asking |
| 02:36.00 | Legorol | Pil only talks about the Lua language. DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage is a WoW-specific feature. |
| 02:36.15 | cloudwolf | off to wow wiki... |
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| 02:39.03 | Kajas | well.. good news.. thanks to all of you, my addon now reads/writes/loads the Saved Variables properly and flawlessly. Can't thank you guys enough |
| 02:41.52 | cloudwolf | kajas whats your addon do? |
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| 02:42.15 | Kajas | Lottery Control.. does several things really |
| 02:42.34 | Kajas | just making it to gain knowledge of coding in WoW code |
| 02:42.45 | Kajas | don't plan on doing anythign with it when it's done (yet) |
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| 02:44.07 | cloudwolf | haha i realy need to figure out more about DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage |
| 02:45.52 | ScytheBlade1 | What about it? |
| 02:46.17 | Kajas | It's actually a straight forward call |
| 02:46.38 | Kajas | DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("text" <or token>) |
| 02:47.08 | cloudwolf | i know |
| 02:47.15 | cloudwolf | well i kind of know |
| 02:47.34 | cloudwolf | first i tried making 1 of them say two diff things (doesnt work for how im trying to make it) |
| 02:47.41 | cloudwolf | then i tried using 2 of them 1 right after the other |
| 02:47.49 | cloudwolf | and the 2nd one doesnt show |
| 02:48.12 | cloudwolf | kajas would you like a pastey? |
| 02:48.17 | Kajas | sure |
| 02:48.45 | cloudwolf | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/88475 |
| 02:49.04 | Cairenn | 3-0, we win! |
| 02:49.39 | cloudwolf | hi cairenn |
| 02:49.44 | Cairenn | hi hi |
| 02:49.45 | cloudwolf | 3to 0 in what? |
| 02:49.57 | ScytheBlade1 | cloudwolf: declare your variable result as a local on the first line |
| 02:49.59 | Cairenn | Game 2, Stanley Cup playoffs |
| 02:50.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, first line inside the function |
| 02:50.05 | cloudwolf | oh |
| 02:50.28 | cloudwolf | oh wait |
| 02:50.41 | cloudwolf | i have an idea why its not displaying how i want is it removing the local? |
| 02:50.45 | cloudwolf | before i tell it to display? |
| 02:50.53 | cloudwolf | so there for that local is a null? |
| 02:50.57 | cloudwolf | err nill or waht ever |
| 02:51.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Just "local result" is all that you need |
| 02:51.38 | Kajas | lol, was typing "you declare 'result' in each 'if' statement, but once that scope is done, that var is gone |
| 02:51.39 | Kajas | " |
| 02:51.48 | ScytheBlade1 | I win short answer ;) |
| 02:51.51 | Kajas | Yep |
| 02:51.58 | ScytheBlade1 | (Kajas wins detailed answer to the actual question) |
| 02:52.23 | cloudwolf | if i tell it to set the result in each if and that if ends will it keep the result? |
| 02:52.38 | cloudwolf | ignore that for amin |
| 02:52.41 | cloudwolf | ile see if i can do somethign else to fix |
| 02:52.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Every one of your 'if' statements is using a different variable |
| 02:52.51 | Kajas | right.. do "local result" before all your if statemnts. then in each if block instead of "local result =" use "result =" |
| 02:52.54 | ScytheBlade1 | If you want to share it correctly, you need to declare it first |
| 02:53.31 | ScytheBlade1 | And /then/ run your if statments |
| 02:54.06 | cloudwolf | time to try again :D |
| 02:54.41 | cloudwolf | yay! |
| 02:54.51 | Legorol | I don't think anyone here minds giving help and advice and help finding errors, but it would be great if you stopped trial-and-error coding when it comes to basic principles at least. |
| 02:55.15 | ScytheBlade1 | A nice way of saying what Legorol just said, is "learn the language first" :) |
| 02:55.17 | Legorol | You should read PiL as far as you can to understand variables, scoping, basic syntax, basic flow-control etc. |
| 02:55.42 | Legorol | ScytheBlade1 put it ever so shortly yet succinctly |
| 02:56.11 | Legorol | This channel is a great resource, but treat it like god: it helps you if you help yourself ;-) |
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| 02:57.35 | Legorol | lol, i so deserved that |
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| 02:58.11 | Kajas | WoWWiki and WoW Programming [the book] have answered almost every question I had, and the book details the Lua Language in the very first 3 chapters.. great resources |
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| 02:59.02 | Legorol | Although getting the book straight away may not be an option, and of course lots of people learn from trial and error. |
| 03:00.28 | Legorol | To anyone that is helping someone in a similar situation as cloudwolf (I've been there, done that many times), the best thing you can do is on top of just giving the solution, also give it a bit of explanation. |
| 03:00.32 | Legorol | Teach a man to fish etc. |
| 03:01.11 | cloudwolf | I also don't have a credit card (don't realy know how into lua and wow addons im going to get as to ask my father to buy it for me) |
| 03:01.30 | ScytheBlade1 | The PiL is online and is also a good resource |
| 03:01.34 | ScytheBlade1 | ~pil |
| 03:01.35 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 03:01.42 | cloudwolf | Scythe i ahve that bookmarked |
| 03:01.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Good :) |
| 03:03.03 | cloudwolf | Ok dont yell at me but is there a way to convert a local into a string if the string already determines text? |
| 03:03.05 | Kandoko | Quick Auction/mail behavior question Say I have a stack of X items I split the stack into singles and post those at AH. (record unique ID's in the itemlink) Will I get the same Unique ID itemlinks back if the auction fails? |
| 03:03.29 | cloudwolf | uhm i have a string split and i want it to display each part of the str split as the string it is |
| 03:04.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Kandoko: buy some level 5 food, throw it up on the AH, cancel the auction? |
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| 03:05.20 | Kandoko | Not a bad idea :) |
| 03:06.46 | kd3 | oh wow... fucking amazing... the MRO got a shot of phoenix descending to mars yesterday: http://www.badastronomy.com/bablog/2008/05/26/best-image-ever/ |
| 03:08.53 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: the linked picture is awfully slow to load |
| 03:09.26 | cloudwolf | scythe can i pm you? |
| 03:09.48 | kd3 | planetary's probably getting ddosed by diggers. hit ~2 hours ago |
| 03:10.20 | ScytheBlade1 | cloudwolf: no, I'm AoEing trash in Hyjal currently |
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| 03:11.26 | cloudwolf | ok... |
| 03:12.00 | kd3 | here's the shot on nasa's website: http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/230214main_PHX_Lander.jpg |
| 03:12.25 | kd3 | context: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/phoenix/news/phoenix-20080526.html |
| 03:12.26 | ScytheBlade1 | That the highest res? |
| 03:12.30 | kd3 | ya |
| 03:12.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Boo, I was hoping for something like a 50 megapixel image |
| 03:12.54 | kd3 | no kidding |
| 03:12.57 | ScytheBlade1 | (NASA being NASA) |
| 03:13.49 | Shirik | think about the time it would take to transmit that |
| 03:13.58 | Shirik | not only do you have the huge size |
| 03:14.01 | Kandoko | Thanks ScytheBlade1, found my error btw, unique ID's to persist through the Auction mail system. |
| 03:14.03 | Kajas | Looking for these: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/phoenix/images/ |
| 03:14.07 | kd3 | it's 15 minutes either way |
| 03:14.07 | Shirik | it becomes practically doubled because you ahve to use something like manchester encoding |
| 03:14.18 | Shirik | you can't go "oh I lost that packet, retransmit please" |
| 03:14.27 | Shirik | you will always lose data, you need forward correcting |
| 03:15.42 | Shirik | in any case, I'm sure we'll get better pictures |
| 03:15.49 | Shirik | time to head home |
| 03:15.53 | Lopeppeppy | *wave* |
| 03:15.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Here's to hoping |
| 03:15.56 | ScytheBlade1 | cya |
| 03:16.09 | Shirik | at least they didn't mix up inches and centimeters this time |
| 03:16.13 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 03:18.10 | cloudwolf | can any one answer this is there a way to put two variables into one addmessage? |
| 03:19.09 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.lua.org/pil/3.4.html |
| 03:19.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Read the PiL |
| 03:19.44 | cloudwolf | ty scythe |
| 03:19.56 | Fisker- | ~failrik |
| 03:19.56 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
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| 03:27.34 | Legorol | That lander pic is awesome |
| 03:27.52 | Legorol | cloudwolf: if you can explain a bit better what you mean by putting two variables into one addmessage, then i can give you the answer. |
| 03:28.00 | Legorol | Are you talking about concatenating two strings? |
| 03:30.04 | Fisker- | it fails |
| 03:30.12 | Fisker- | although it's cool that the chute looks like <3 |
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| 03:31.23 | Fisker- | bai Shirik :( |
| 03:31.26 | Fisker- | ~failrik |
| 03:31.27 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 03:31.30 | Shirik | ? |
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| 03:33.19 | cloudwolf | gnight people ty for all the help |
| 03:36.06 | Kajas | silly question.. in a functions declaration of variables.. what is the "_" used for? (i.e. function DoThis( myVar, yourVar, _, _, theirVar) ) |
| 03:36.16 | End | it's a dummy variable |
| 03:36.30 | End | it's just used to throw away an unused value..you could call it anything |
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| 03:36.37 | Kajas | cool, that's what I was thinking.. just wanted to make sure |
| 03:37.00 | Kajas | Reading some addons that deal with reading/scanning the mailbox now to learn how that's done |
| 03:37.08 | Kajas | i.e. BeanCounter |
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| 03:44.15 | Kandoko | Kajas: See BeanCounterMail.lua lines 67-82 That stores most of the info you can parse from the mail. Unfortunately Invoice data is async and only available for read messages so there's an onupdate function to retry until it times out or gets the data. |
| 03:45.00 | Kajas | Awesome, thank you so much! |
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| 03:48.44 | Mike-N-Go | I am trying to set up a Vista computer to work with an ethernet connection, to no avail. The connection works fine on my Mac, yet I do not grasp how to set it up on the PC. My question is, how do I get the Vista computer to work with the connection? |
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| 03:49.05 | Tekkub | install the driver |
| 03:49.08 | Tekkub | that's all |
| 03:49.10 | GhostfromTexas | is double clicking detectable in wow? |
| 03:50.09 | Iriel | in the sense you can detect 2 clicks, yes |
| 03:50.24 | GhostfromTexas | what API would I look up for that? |
| 03:51.11 | Iriel | Well, it depends what you're trying to DO with a double click... you can't unfortunately bind a double-click |
| 03:51.32 | GhostfromTexas | well meaning in lua |
| 03:51.38 | GhostfromTexas | more or less on the auction house |
| 03:51.45 | GhostfromTexas | double clicking an auction to buyout |
| 03:51.50 | GhostfromTexas | or bid |
| 03:51.52 | GhostfromTexas | etc |
| 03:52.01 | End | You'd have to modify the OnClick handler |
| 03:52.10 | Iriel | You'd use an OnClick handler, and see what GetTime() says on each click.. there is a problem though |
| 03:52.15 | Legorol | yes doubleclicking is detectable |
| 03:52.18 | Iriel | You dont know on the first click if there will BE a second click |
| 03:52.26 | Iriel | and that can be a problem for actions that require a hardware event |
| 03:52.39 | GhostfromTexas | hrm |
| 03:52.45 | Iriel | because if you wait for the second click you can end up sacrificing your chance to do something on a double click |
| 03:52.54 | Iriel | But I think for what you want, you'd be ok |
| 03:53.09 | Iriel | because your first click would simply be a selection |
| 03:53.20 | GhostfromTexas | no timer events in the wow api.. |
| 03:53.30 | Iriel | There's OnUpdate for timers, but you dont need that |
| 03:53.45 | Iriel | You just need to remember when each click happens, and compare the current time with the last time on a new one |
| 03:54.04 | GhostfromTexas | yeah |
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| 04:00.44 | Kyahx | test? this working now :( |
| 04:00.50 | Cairenn | nope |
| 04:00.54 | End | hell no |
| 04:01.00 | Kyahx | odd |
| 04:01.03 | End | lol |
| 04:01.12 | Tasky | is what working? |
| 04:01.13 | Tasky | XD |
| 04:01.21 | End | I have no idea. ;-p |
| 04:01.24 | Kyahx | Sending text :P before it looked like it was going through, but apparently it wasnt |
| 04:01.29 | Kyahx | restarted my client seemed to fix it thou |
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| 04:01.33 | Tasky | still isn't |
| 04:01.39 | Kyahx | >.< |
| 04:01.44 | End | indeed |
| 04:01.48 | Kyahx | im so confused |
| 04:01.48 | End | try sending text harder |
| 04:01.51 | End | then we might see it |
| 04:01.56 | Tasky | LOL |
| 04:02.08 | Tasky | put your gut into it man |
| 04:02.17 | End | I mean, you have to really want us to see it |
| 04:02.21 | Kyahx | Regaurdless, I was trying to comment that there is a OnDoubleClick widget handler. Or atleast I think there is |
| 04:02.34 | Kyahx | Which (assuming it works the way I think it does) is alot simpler than trying to rig a timer |
| 04:02.59 | kd3 | meh... I'm just annoyed at azureus... it's taken a few days to get a measly ~2.4GB of data |
| 04:02.59 | End | so there is |
| 04:03.22 | Kyahx | kd3: utorrent or transmission not work for you? |
| 04:03.32 | kd3 | maybe if I want to run them in wine |
| 04:03.38 | Tasky | well there's your problem, azureus |
| 04:03.38 | DARKGuy | uTorrent ftw. |
| 04:03.40 | End | transmission is linux |
| 04:03.43 | Kyahx | transmission has a native unix client |
| 04:03.50 | DARKGuy | it -is- native for linux |
| 04:03.58 | DARKGuy | best one if you don't want to run uTorrent with WINE :P |
| 04:04.15 | End | kd3 must be one of those linux noobs |
| 04:04.18 | End | ;-) |
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| 04:05.32 | End | Transmission claims to run on five operating systems |
| 04:05.38 | End | we can do better than that! |
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| 04:06.33 | End | interestingly enough, they list more than five |
| 04:07.41 | End | oh, nvm, they say more than five :) |
| 04:07.54 | Kyahx | I've been fairly pleased with it, they just added Blocklist support -- which was my main reason for using Azureus in the past. |
| 04:08.25 | NightHawkTheSane | have they made the display on osx easier to use with lots of torrents? last i tried it it was kinda poor for more than a few.. |
| 04:08.50 | Kyahx | NightHawkTheSane: yes and no -- I use groups alot which helps |
| 04:09.33 | Kyahx | it has filters, so you can sort / only show stuff from certain groups, active torrents, downloads / seeds, etc... |
| 04:09.47 | Kyahx | Its differant than say Azureus or uTorrent, but very usable IMO |
| 04:10.01 | NightHawkTheSane | i might have to give it a try again at some point. |
| 04:10.14 | NightHawkTheSane | that was my main problem, managing more than a few torrents was painful |
| 04:12.02 | Kyahx | I use a different program to sort the torrents themselves by tracker / public stuff before I open them, rather than having one downloads folder with a shit ton of everything |
| 04:13.06 | kd3 | meh, I should do that... my "new-unsorted" directory is about to hit 60 gigs |
| 04:13.10 | Kyahx | called Hazel -- really nice if you take the time to play with it / set it up |
| 04:14.54 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i've toyed with hazel |
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| 04:19.19 | Lukian | hmm Transmission is sexy ^_^ |
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| 04:37.59 | |Jelly| | !ap 1439 |
| 04:38.03 | |Jelly| | kek |
| 04:39.33 | Tem | bur |
| 04:39.44 | |Jelly| | <3 |
| 04:41.42 | Shirik | ~hug |Jelly| |
| 04:41.43 | purl | ACTION jumps into |Jelly|'s lap and huggles and *hugs* |Jelly| |
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| 04:43.20 | Arrowmaster | kd3: you got encryption enabled in azureus? |
| 04:44.18 | |Jelly| | ~hug Shirik |
| 04:44.19 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on Shirik and suddenly hugs Shirik tightly |
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| 04:56.54 | kd3 | ya, it's preferred, but the non-encrypted fallback is enabled |
| 05:02.34 | Arrowmaster | blame it on bad swarm then |
| 05:03.22 | kd3 | oh I am... ~78MB to go. |
| 05:05.02 | Arrowmaster | woot for macross |
| 05:05.44 | NightHawkTheSane | the original macross? woo! |
| 05:06.11 | kd3 | ya. it's amusing drawing comparisons to frontier |
| 05:06.22 | kd3 | good to see that they tied in some of the stuff they added in zero too |
| 05:06.48 | kd3 | s/too/in frontier too/ |
| 05:06.56 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i havnt seen frontier yet :\ |
| 05:07.21 | kd3 | ep 8 aired last week, got subbed a few days ago |
| 05:08.03 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i've been lazy |
| 05:09.16 | kd3 | cg <3. fight scenes are incredible... character designs, though... it's almost like they used a mech designer to fill in |
| 05:09.30 | Arrowmaster | few days ago? i watched it subed last week |
| 05:09.41 | Arrowmaster | i still need to see zero |
| 05:10.31 | NightHawkTheSane | zero was pretty good |
| 05:10.35 | kd3 | lunar got it the 25th... looks like some speedsubbers released a day earlier |
| 05:10.49 | Arrowmaster | yeah gg did |
| 05:11.12 | kd3 | meh, I'm watching lunar's, but archinve aone/menclave's ver |
| 05:11.25 | Arrowmaster | same |
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| 05:11.46 | Arrowmaster | well i was watching shs and archiving the other but shs got slow and lunar got ahead of them |
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| 06:23.17 | kd3 | gah! stupid wine bug preventing me from installing stuff |
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| 08:19.11 | Kajas | would anyone happen to be awake to help me with a slash command? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/88501 |
| 08:19.47 | Kajas | I type the slash command and I get the "type /help for..." message |
| 08:19.56 | nevcairiel | you have a syntax error in there |
| 08:20.04 | Kajas | .... |
| 08:20.26 | nevcairiel | when pastey applys a red background .. its a syntax error :P |
| 08:20.39 | Kajas | oh.. nice to know |
| 08:20.43 | Kyahx | if (blah blah) then |
| 08:21.01 | nevcairiel | besides that error, it should work |
| 08:21.03 | nevcairiel | i guess |
| 08:21.06 | Kajas | missing "Then" |
| 08:21.36 | Kajas | sometimes it just takes a fresh set of eyes |
| 08:21.40 | Kyahx | also, global variables FTL |
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| 08:21.58 | Kajas | ? |
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| 08:22.30 | nevcairiel | Kyahx: its probably only a small snippet :P |
| 08:22.37 | Kyahx | still! :P |
| 08:23.00 | Kajas | LS_NewUser is defined in a diff lua |
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| 08:23.52 | Kyahx | I avoid global anything and XML at all costs, both of which that small snipit lead me to believe are being used :P hehe |
| 08:24.10 | Kajas | You are correct.. on both accounts |
| 08:24.27 | Kajas | Haven't really gotten used to lua frame building |
| 08:24.36 | Kajas | but it is a goal |
| 08:25.12 | Kyahx | :) |
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| 08:28.54 | Kyahx | thats one thing that almost bugs me about wowwiki, most of the examples on there are very different from the style I use / consider best practice. |
| 08:29.23 | Kyahx | but meh :) |
| 08:40.04 | [dRaCo] | ~macroguide |
| 08:40.14 | [dRaCo] | :/ |
| 08:49.45 | Gnarfoz | ~cogwheel |
| 08:49.46 | purl | it has been said that cogwheel is actualy another advanced chat bot that automatically responds when you put anything that follows WoW macro syntax in chat. |
| 08:50.17 | Gnarfoz | /cast [nocombat] facepalm |
| 08:50.20 | Gnarfoz | ;> |
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| 09:04.46 | Drundia | i think the problem is that he isn't here right now |
| 09:11.12 | Kajas | hmm |
| 09:11.38 | Kajas | when having to different actions for a slash command, depending on whether or not args are supplied with the command.. what's the best method to do that? |
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| 09:21.45 | Arrowmaster | use string.trim on the args and see if it matches ""? |
| 09:23.33 | Kajas | tried that with a Chat Frame print of "-"..arg.."-" and it went through and printed "--" on the screen |
| 09:24.14 | Kajas | then again.. I've been working on this non-stop for 4 days now, most likely it's a typo or syntax issue. Closing it out for tonight and I'll pick it up tomorrow |
| 09:24.44 | Arrowmaster | so whats the issue? |
| 09:24.53 | Gngsk | you have a SlashCmdHandler function with string arg? |
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| 09:35.47 | Kajas | Could anyone clear something up for me.. why is it that in this slash list, |
| 09:35.47 | Kajas | SlashCmdList["QuestHelper"] = function (text) QuestHelper:SlashCommand(text) end |
| 09:36.00 | Kajas | Ther is "function (text)" -and- the SlashCommand(text) call |
| 09:37.57 | Quezacolt | "function(text)" declares the function, "SlashCommand(text)" passes it to the mod's slash command handler |
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| 09:38.15 | Kajas | .. admittedly I don't follow |
| 09:38.41 | Quezacolt | let's say you type in "/qh help" without the quotes into the chat box |
| 09:38.46 | Kajas | ok |
| 09:39.03 | Quezacolt | "help" gets passed into the "QuestHelper:SlashCommand" function |
| 09:39.22 | Quezacolt | in that function, the voodoo gets done |
| 09:39.35 | Quezacolt | in this case, help text is sent to your chat log |
| 09:40.14 | Kajas | ok.. so where does "function (text)" come in to play.. |
| 09:40.35 | Quezacolt | it creates the function |
| 09:40.41 | Kajas | why not just do ["QuestHelper] = QuestHelper:SlashCommand(text) |
| 09:40.49 | Quezacolt | that would run the function |
| 09:41.05 | Kajas | lol, now I'm even more confused |
| 09:41.10 | Quezacolt | :/ |
| 09:41.35 | Kajas | No worries bud, been reading the wiki, the book, and a lot of addons today to try to get a grasp on the slash commands |
| 09:42.05 | Quezacolt | Bah, http://www.wowwiki.com/Creating_a_slash_command doesn't have details on what I'm talking about... |
| 09:42.10 | Kajas | because my addon, even if no args are passed with it, still says that there is.. so I was trying to figure out if I was doing something wrong by lookin at other addOns... apparently that was a mistake |
| 09:42.21 | Kajas | ahhh.. okay, that clears that up |
| 09:42.42 | Kajas | The book isn't all that clear on advanced slash handling either |
| 09:42.55 | Kajas | other than /msg This will show in your chat box |
| 09:43.49 | Kajas | I'm just confused at the difference between "function (text) <functioncall>" such as the QH one I pasted and just doign ["bla"] = <function> |
| 09:44.13 | Quezacolt | I'm gonna go make an example on Pastey, gimme a sec |
| 09:44.18 | Kajas | Thanks |
| 09:45.02 | wereHamster | Kajas, functoins are first class objects in lua, 'function foo() .. end' is just syntactic sugar for 'foo = function() .. end' |
| 09:46.06 | Quezacolt | That's what makes Lua so brilliant, imo :D |
| 09:46.44 | wereHamster | how's that look? |
| 09:46.50 | Kajas | lol |
| 09:47.04 | Kajas | o.O something like that.. sorta.. maybe... |
| 09:47.28 | Quezacolt | A dead deer came into my mind. i.e. a deer run over by a truck. |
| 09:47.46 | Kajas | What's more frustrating is that I love programming.. VB, C, C++, C#, .. yet some of the simplest lua stuff is baffling me |
| 09:48.22 | Kajas | granted, most all of what I know has been self taught, so I can't really call myself a programmer.. just a hobbiest |
| 09:48.34 | Quezacolt | I'm self-taught too :) |
| 09:48.43 | Kajas | Long Live The Indies! |
| 09:49.28 | Quezacolt | :D |
| 09:49.51 | Quezacolt | almost done with that sample, gonna go test it in WoW... |
| 09:50.16 | Kajas | Thanks again :) |
| 09:51.01 | Kajas | What spawned this is the slash command I'm making, I want to act differently if there's no args passed than it does if there are args passed... but it alwasy behaves as if there are args passed even though it prints that nothing is there.. |
| 09:51.06 | Kajas | Pastey Code: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/88504 |
| 09:52.29 | Snago | Kajas: When it's empty it will be "" |
| 09:53.02 | Kajas | Checked for that with [~= ""] and it still passed through |
| 09:54.03 | Snago | tried args:strip() ~= ""? |
| 09:54.19 | Kajas | Yep. Still prints "--" |
| 09:54.22 | Quezacolt | ohhh, no input IS "" |
| 09:54.31 | Kajas | ? |
| 09:55.05 | Kajas | oh, yeah.. that I kinda guessed at |
| 09:55.07 | Quezacolt | I did "message(msg or "<No Msg>")" and I got a blank window |
| 09:56.21 | Kajas | basically if someone does "/myCommand" I want one thing to happen, if they do "/myCommand andThis orThat" I want something else to happen |
| 09:57.00 | Quezacolt | if msg == "" then doSomethingSpecial(); return; end ? |
| 09:57.32 | Quezacolt | bah, how do I save my pastey? XD |
| 09:57.53 | Kajas | at the bottom, click "Paste" |
| 09:58.26 | Quezacolt | I think my NoScript is messing it up... better turn that off for a sec... |
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| 09:59.56 | Quezacolt | http://ace.pastey.net/88505 - basic samples |
| 10:02.19 | Quezacolt | I just noticed - by the looks of the stuff at the top of your pastey, are you using AddOn Studio? |
| 10:04.05 | Kajas | Example 1: storing a function call in the Command List. Example 2: Storing the function in Command List. Example 3: Creating a local function that is generic and any slash command can use. |
| 10:04.08 | Kajas | Yes? |
| 10:04.33 | Quezacolt | I was just curious, heh. |
| 10:04.45 | Kajas | wait.. nvm.. noticed Exmple 3 and 1 look identical except 3 has no "/msg" declared |
| 10:04.59 | Kajas | I used AddOn Studio only for the GUI building |
| 10:05.23 | Kajas | and I fine tune it in notepad after the 'rough draft' is made |
| 10:06.13 | Quezacolt | I do everything on SciTE-WoWInterface - got used to it, never really liked AddOn Studio but I use it from time to time |
| 10:07.51 | Kajas | Haven't really found something I can use to design GUI's in other than that.. doing it in notepad would be fairly simple I suppose.. but I'd have to /rl every time I added a new frame or changed something's location to see where it put it |
| 10:08.11 | Kajas | as for the coding.. I used to use B:Lua.. but it's sorely outdated |
| 10:08.36 | Snago | Notepad++ ftw |
| 10:09.19 | Kajas | just wish there was an easier way to do this rather than having to be in the game (such as now when it's down for maint/restart) |
| 10:09.22 | Quezacolt | Try Blizzard Editing UI from http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ - it's a great GUI building assistant |
| 10:09.53 | Quezacolt | can generate the SetPoint() or the XML Anchors stuff too :D |
| 10:11.05 | Kajas | nice :) |
| 10:11.20 | Kajas | Got a program tucked away in there that'll let me work on AddOns when the server's down? lol |
| 10:11.59 | Quezacolt | WoWBench is horribly outdated, so no :( |
| 10:12.23 | Quezacolt | I'm playing Command and Conquer 3: Tiberium Wars now, would rather continue coding though |
| 10:12.27 | Kajas | oh.. EditingUI is an addon |
| 10:12.44 | Quezacolt | It's an in-house UI dev tool from Blizz |
| 10:14.16 | Drundia | i never knew there is one :O |
| 10:14.25 | Kajas | lol, all the files [xml, lua, toc] are all from mid 2007 |
| 10:14.36 | Kajas | guess that kind of stuff doesn't change often |
| 10:15.02 | Drundia | yes, i think most of stuff is still the same |
| 10:15.18 | Kajas | Quote: "The "Copy" buttons will copy the lua or xml directly to the clipboard" << going to like that |
| 10:15.49 | Mikk | If you use Lua to create your frames, it's fairly simple to do it in an in-game notepad |
| 10:15.51 | Quezacolt | To ITS clipboard, not your system's clipboard :( |
| 10:15.53 | Kajas | are they doing rolling restarts, or extended maint today? Never saw the logon notice at all today that they were taking it down |
| 10:16.05 | Quezacolt | it's extended maintenance |
| 10:16.10 | Kajas | damn |
| 10:16.12 | Mikk | That way, you can tweak as much as you like |
| 10:16.14 | Kajas | and double damn |
| 10:16.25 | Kajas | ahh, okay.. then I guess that's acceptable |
| 10:16.26 | Kajas | lol |
| 10:17.45 | Kajas | Well, in that case.. guess I'll take my que from Bliz and go to bed for a few hours |
| 10:17.57 | Drundia | (checks code) I believe GM WOW actually copies to system clipboard |
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| 10:59.54 | batrick | Every couple monthes I gotta relearn how to add a file to curese. /sigh |
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| 12:34.50 | Lunessa | ...station |
| 12:35.25 | Kalroth | nation... |
| 12:41.48 | Josh_Borke | ...ration |
| 12:44.31 | Lunessa | If you're a student taking MIS classes at a second year university, you really shouldn't send e-mail to the support team in all lowercase, and using "ur" for your. |
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| 12:45.45 | Josh_Borke | why not? that's how all the cool people talk |
| 12:45.59 | Lunessa | If I had my way, they would be expelled. |
| 12:46.38 | Josh_Borke | why? because it's a bad way to communicate in the real world? |
| 12:48.28 | Lunessa | because if you're a 30-year old MIS student looking to get a job in the most competitive, cut-throat business field, and you want technical help - you should be able to communicate effectively and clearly. I should not have to decipher your e-mail. |
| 12:48.37 | Kaso | Im stuck between to arguments on this, i can never decide. Part of me goes "language is descriptive, not prescriptive" and the other side says "TYPE CORRECTLY GODDAMNIT!" |
| 12:50.46 | krka | i can't parse your line Kaso |
| 12:51.03 | krka | unexpected token "to" after "im stuck between" |
| 12:51.09 | Kaso | hah |
| 12:51.11 | Kaso | Typo :< |
| 12:51.22 | Lunessa | "two" |
| 12:51.53 | Kaso | thats just me failing at typing |
| 12:52.09 | krka | i think you should be expelled |
| 12:53.41 | Kaso | i blame my english IDE, it has no syntax highlighting to help me spot errors like that |
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| 13:02.14 | wereHamster | < krka> unexpected token "to" after "im stuck between" - is kaso a bot? this and then the LUA thing, everything he says looks so automated |
| 13:02.14 | krka | wereHamster: Lua is not an acronym. It is a Portuguese word that means moon. |
| 13:02.34 | Kaso | krka, i assume you mean :p |
| 13:02.48 | wereHamster | yep, I'm sorry |
| 13:02.52 | Kaso | prob, its most likely |
| 13:03.14 | clad|sleep | krka isn't a bot |
| 13:03.21 | krka | yes i am! |
| 13:03.23 | clad|sleep | he's just participating in the Write Lua Right campaign |
| 13:03.27 | cladhaire | while being a bot :p |
| 13:08.41 | Lunessa | Unexpected EOF near "bot". |
| 13:17.20 | Lunessa | cladhaire: holy hell man... you were drinking beer straight from the pitcher? |
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| 13:17.32 | cladhaire | that was pimms, but whats wrong with that? |
| 13:17.58 | Lunessa | You're a wild man! (I'm not a beer fan, and that's a lot of beer. :P ) |
| 13:22.04 | cladhaire | lol |
| 13:24.07 | Lunessa | server maintenance has borked forums. /sigh |
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| 13:34.17 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, dear! *hug* |
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| 14:22.13 | zenzelezz | which feature? |
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| 14:22.49 | Lopeppeppy | Get/Put. I need a manual in a big way. |
| 14:23.28 | Lunessa | ... Dreamweaver is the bee's knees. |
| 14:24.27 | zenzelezz | get/put? |
| 14:25.11 | Lopeppeppy | Get files. Edit them to be what I wish them to be. Put them back so that everyone else sees them too. |
| 14:25.15 | Lopeppeppy | Get/Put |
| 14:25.22 | zenzelezz | aha |
| 14:25.47 | Lopeppeppy | Like I said, BASIC functions. I'm not intended to be using it at all, so there's no training offered me. |
| 14:26.27 | Lunessa | Because nothing in the world sucks as bad as doing HTML tables by hand... There's Dreamweaver. |
| 14:26.35 | zenzelezz | uh |
| 14:26.53 | zenzelezz | I'd rather do HTML by hand than by Dreamweaver |
| 14:26.57 | Lopeppeppy | Tables. Ugh. Speak not to me of tables nesting in tables with dropped tags and extraneous tags.... Ugh. |
| 14:27.07 | Lopeppeppy | I wind up editing so many Dreamweaver tables by hand, it makes my eyes spin. |
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| 14:27.56 | Lunessa | Still - would you prefer to do them entirely by hand? |
| 14:27.59 | zenzelezz | at work, we're redoing parts of a newspaper's website from an old to a new layout. Table based to proper... oh the pain |
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| 14:28.30 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: if I could trust a WYSIWYG editor to actually generate valid, readable, clean code, then maybe not. Until then, yes, I want to do it by hand |
| 14:28.44 | zenzelezz | I might actually want to anyway, I'm a bit masochistic in that way |
| 14:28.45 | Lopeppeppy | I'm honestly not sure, Lunessa..... broken code gives Peppy a headache, but so does hand coding long tables. |
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| 14:29.02 | Lopeppeppy | I have clean crisp WYSIWYG editor. All mine. |
| 14:30.19 | zenzelezz | put it this way - I suffer from the control freak syndrome. I want to understand what's going on, and that's easier by doing it all by hand |
| 14:30.52 | Lopeppeppy | I don't care if I control it, as long as it renders properly in the 5 browsers I check. Is that too much for a girl to ask? |
| 14:30.53 | Lunessa | Meh, I never let a WYSYG editor do all of my work - but I certainly user it to do crappy bits that suck to do by hand. |
| 14:31.38 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: what others do is no concern of mine; whatever works for you =) And I should also mention that I'm horrible at layout and design, so my HTML is usually simple |
| 14:31.44 | Lunessa | I mean, I still write code in TextEdit for pit's sake. I really need a better editor for my iMac. |
| 14:32.36 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: take my hand; together we can render beautiful websites ;-o |
| 14:33.02 | Lopeppeppy | ... |Jelly|, that porn will not help you get better. |
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| 14:33.26 | Lunessa | bolstering one's will to live /always/ helps make you get better. |
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| 14:33.39 | zenzelezz | well, getting off is one way to get things off your mind o_O |
| 14:34.11 | |Jelly| | Eh. I'm too snotty for that. |
| 14:50.09 | zenzelezz | well that's one more for the Conversation Killer list |
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| 14:51.42 | Lopeppeppy | Sex always kills conversations. |
| 14:52.07 | zenzelezz | maybe in action. Words usually don't seem to |
| 14:52.13 | mikma | sex please |
| 14:52.26 | zenzelezz | for some reason the main thing I've ended up with from MMOs are girls who like talking about sex o_O |
| 14:53.08 | Lopeppeppy | I don't mind it or look overly much for it. It's not any different than talking sports. |
| 14:53.23 | Seerah | is sex a sport? ;) |
| 14:53.41 | zenzelezz | well, the ones I'm talking about are the ones who start the conversations; I just go along with it |
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| 14:56.28 | krka | Seerah: only if you do it right |
| 14:56.38 | Lopeppeppy | Seerah, especially if you do it right!!!! |
| 14:56.44 | Seerah | lol |
| 14:57.52 | Kandoko | http://xkcd.com/414/ <<Its a sport |
| 14:58.21 | Lopeppeppy | Always use a helmet when skateboarding. *wise nod* |
| 14:59.12 | zenzelezz | you know, in the context of what was being spoken of, I was wondering what sort of sex you were doing that required helmets |
| 14:59.27 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr, zenzelezz. Just rawr. |
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| 15:01.53 | zenzelezz | can't say I agree; they'd rule out half of all the fun stuff |
| 15:05.09 | zenzelezz | (or more, depending on your preferences) |
| 15:08.07 | Lopeppeppy | It would allow for lots of fun stuff. |
| 15:08.35 | zenzelezz | O_o |
| 15:08.56 | Lopeppeppy | Silly bear. |
| 15:09.08 | durcyn | what a curious conversation to wake up to. |
| 15:09.09 | zenzelezz | well, in that case you might be right; though I stand by my opinion. I have peculiar tastes |
| 15:10.29 | Lopeppeppy | That's okay zenzelezz, I love you anyway. |
| 15:11.15 | zenzelezz | now there's something I don't think I've heard before |
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| 15:11.42 | Lopeppeppy | *hug* I'm very good at being loving and kind, it's kind of a Peppy ting. |
| 15:13.49 | zenzelezz | it's much appreciated, I just don't know how to respond to such a thing :-o |
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| 15:15.56 | Lopeppeppy | With hugs, those are always appropriate. And then bask, it's okay to have someone like you. |
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| 15:18.18 | Shirik|Work | this is pretty awesome |
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| 15:18.39 | zenzelezz | I always considered peppy awesome |
| 15:18.40 | Shirik|Work | Detected memory leaks! Dumping objects -> |
| 15:18.41 | Shirik|Work | ...\serial.cpp(28) : {97} normal block at 0x008A8648, 0 bytes long. |
| 15:18.48 | Shirik|Work | memory leak detected... 0 bytes long |
| 15:19.04 | wereHamster | malloc(0) |
| 15:19.11 | Shirik|Work | yeah I know |
| 15:19.16 | Shirik|Work | I just can't believe it's complaining about that |
| 15:19.35 | wereHamster | on some platforms malloc returns NULL in that case.. |
| 15:19.48 | Shirik|Work | really? It's not supposed to |
| 15:19.56 | wereHamster | read the manpage ;) |
| 15:20.04 | Shirik|Work | according to standard malloc has to return a pointer that's freeable when you say malloc(0) |
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| 15:20.29 | wereHamster | If size is 0, then malloc() returns either NULL, or a unique pointer value that can later be successfully passed to free(). |
| 15:20.34 | wereHamster | from the linux manpage |
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| 15:21.35 | Shirik|Work | huh. |
| 15:21.42 | Shirik|Work | I guess I shouldn't rely on QNX's manpages |
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| 15:21.48 | Shirik|Work | in any case, I'm actually using the C++ new[] operator anyway |
| 15:22.03 | wereHamster | I don't know about QNX, maybe it won't return NULL.. |
| 15:22.46 | Shirik|Work | "If size is zero, malloc() returns a valid non-NULL pointer which is valid only to a corresponding free() call. You shouldn't assume that a pointer returned by malloc(0) actually points to any valid memory. " |
| 15:22.51 | Shirik|Work | that's from QNX's manpage for malloc |
| 15:22.58 | zenzelezz | new or new[]? |
| 15:23.06 | Shirik|Work | new[] |
| 15:23.28 | Shirik|Work | the memory leak comes from this line: |
| 15:23.29 | Shirik|Work | CSerial::CSerial(const TCHAR* port):m_port(port),m_status(SERIAL_STATUS_INIT),m_handlerList(new CSerialHandler*[0]),m_handlerListLength(0) |
| 15:23.43 | Seerah | what's on the womanpage? |
| 15:23.54 | wereHamster | new handler*[0] ? |
| 15:24.05 | wereHamster | new zero length array? |
| 15:24.08 | Shirik|Work | yup |
| 15:24.36 | Shirik|Work | That way I can just delete[] it without bothering to check whether or not it exists |
| 15:25.38 | wereHamster | then there's one place where you don't free that pointer :) |
| 15:27.05 | Shirik|Work | Ah, the standard does say that malloc(0) is implementation defined, either returning NULL or something usable by free() |
| 15:27.10 | Shirik|Work | I thought the standard only said the latter |
| 15:27.29 | zenzelezz | the C or the C++ standard? |
| 15:27.40 | Shirik|Work | that's C |
| 15:27.45 | Shirik|Work | I'm trying to find the C++ standard |
| 15:27.54 | wereHamster | is malloc part of the C standard? not posix or such? |
| 15:27.56 | zenzelezz | don't rely on the C standard when you're using C++ |
| 15:28.04 | zenzelezz | malloc is C, new is C++ |
| 15:28.18 | Shirik|Work | I know, but I thought malloc worked that way too zenzelezz |
| 15:28.45 | zenzelezz | it might, I don't know :) But I still think you should be careful about assuming things for C++ based on C |
| 15:28.51 | Shirik|Work | well, wereHamster, it says "Memory management functions" |
| 15:28.52 | Josh_Borke | ~failrik |
| 15:28.53 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 15:28.59 | Josh_Borke | you know what assuming does, makes you an ass |
| 15:29.05 | Shirik|Work | it's the C standard though |
| 15:29.17 | batrick | anyone know how to fix this? http://wowi.pastey.net/88509 |
| 15:29.34 | Josh_Borke | batrick: i fail to see a problem |
| 15:29.36 | batrick | I tried messing with .subversion/config like http://www.wowace.com/wiki/SVN_AutoProps says |
| 15:29.51 | batrick | bah, pasted the wrong thing |
| 15:31.27 | End | 8 When the value of the expression in a direct-new-declarator is zero, the allocation function is called to allocate an array with no ele- ments. The pointer returned by the new-expression is non-null and distinct from the pointer to any other object. |
| 15:32.12 | End | That's from a working draft though |
| 15:32.19 | batrick | http://wowi.pastey.net/88510 |
| 15:34.10 | Josh_Borke | batrick: would you like to see my config? |
| 15:34.18 | batrick | sure |
| 15:35.03 | Josh_Borke | http://wowi.pastey.net/88511 |
| 15:35.13 | Josh_Borke | did you add the files before or after you set up your config file? |
| 15:35.27 | batrick | not sure |
| 15:35.31 | batrick | probably after |
| 15:35.36 | batrick | err, before |
| 15:35.54 | Josh_Borke | the properties are set at the time of adding to svn |
| 15:36.10 | batrick | so do I "readd" them then? |
| 15:36.10 | Josh_Borke | so if your config wasn't set before, you'll have to modify the properties by hand |
| 15:36.19 | batrick | ok |
| 15:36.27 | Josh_Borke | svn pe svn:eol-style=native *.lua |
| 15:36.30 | Josh_Borke | or something ilke that |
| 15:37.08 | End | I think you want svn ps svn:eol-style native *.lua |
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| 15:37.10 | frup | hello |
| 15:37.11 | End | pe opens an editor |
| 15:37.17 | End | ps will set on commandline |
| 15:37.21 | End | (I think) |
| 15:37.40 | durcyn | or just autoprop it like a smrt person |
| 15:38.09 | Josh_Borke | frup: hola |
| 15:38.17 | End | he already svn add'd it, so autoprop won't help (apparently) |
| 15:38.30 | frup | quick question...is bartender4 usable? configurable? |
| 15:38.45 | durcyn | frup: yes |
| 15:38.53 | frup | well, it's usable, but last time i didn't find configurator |
| 15:39.09 | durcyn | try /bar next time ;) |
| 15:39.32 | frup | also, i'm not able to bind keys to petbar with bt3...does it use default keybinds for it? |
| 15:39.47 | frup | default petbar's keybind? |
| 15:39.53 | batrick | ok got it working thanks everyone |
| 15:40.02 | frup | durcyn trying it now...tbh ^^ |
| 15:40.15 | Josh_Borke | batrick: glad to hear |
| 15:41.55 | Shirik|Work | so I learned something new |
| 15:42.11 | Shirik|Work | the folks in ##C++ suggested just using NULL instead of new[0] |
| 15:42.12 | frup | durcyn is there :) |
| 15:42.17 | Shirik|Work | because it's ok to delete[] NULL |
| 15:42.51 | wereHamster | Shirik|Work: is that in the standard? C doesn't specify what happens in free(NULL) |
| 15:42.58 | End | sometimes it's ok to free() NULL too, but C, as usual, is being implementation undefined :P |
| 15:43.09 | End | s/undefined/defined/ |
| 15:43.15 | Shirik|Work | wereHamster: According to them it is |
| 15:43.23 | Shirik|Work | also according to them, new[0] is as undefined as malloc(0) |
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| 15:45.52 | End | The 1996 working draft says new[0] returns a pointer, and delete NULL has no effect. |
| 15:46.04 | End | (That's all I could find for a standard) |
| 15:46.28 | Fisker- | moo: ram: 1763/4094.8MB (43.04%) [||||------] |
| 15:46.35 | Fisker- | moo: ram: 1654/4094.8MB (40.39%) [||||------] |
| 15:46.41 | Fisker- | moo: ram: 1741/4094.8MB (42.51%) [||||------] |
| 15:46.42 | Fisker- | weird |
| 15:46.51 | zenzelezz | ... |
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| 15:47.15 | wereHamster | anyone know solaris well? |
| 15:47.29 | Fisker- | Shirik|Work |
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| 15:49.19 | Fisker- | you are my world |
| 15:50.51 | wereHamster | it's quite different then gnu/linux. Different syntax/options all over the place :-/ |
| 15:51.22 | frup | mmmh, where're bt4 keybindings? |
| 15:51.48 | frup | wereHamster? |
| 15:52.01 | frup | most tools should be pretty similar |
| 15:52.10 | frup | and GNU stuff should run on solaris too |
| 15:52.12 | wereHamster | no 'tar -z', 'grep -q' etc |
| 15:52.31 | wereHamster | in the standard tools in /usr/bin anyway |
| 15:52.32 | frup | prolly they're sun's tools ^^ |
| 15:53.00 | frup | first time, was a pain to get ssh running on it |
| 15:53.23 | wereHamster | wasn't that bad here, they even support pubkey authentication :) |
| 15:53.40 | frup | lol aye |
| 15:53.48 | frup | best thing is the filesystem btw |
| 15:53.51 | frup | rocki ng stable |
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| 15:54.21 | cncfanatics | yo peeps |
| 15:54.23 | wereHamster | they don't use the local disks here, just SAN |
| 15:55.12 | frup | aye, but on SAN they use something i think |
| 15:55.53 | wereHamster | vsps, no idea what that is |
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| 15:57.27 | DARKGuy | mornin' :) |
| 15:57.35 | frup | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS |
| 15:58.11 | wereHamster | there will be a tech talk about that on my university on friday? |
| 15:58.19 | wereHamster | s/?// |
| 15:58.37 | cogwheel | anyone else unable to log into wow US website? |
| 15:58.40 | frup | it'll be interesting i guess :) |
| 15:58.48 | Shirik|Work | Fisker-: ? |
| 16:00.53 | Fisker- | o hai |
| 16:01.07 | Shirik|Work | anyway... food time |
| 16:01.09 | Fisker- | i suppose you know this! |
| 16:01.10 | Fisker- | Nooooo |
| 16:01.13 | Shirik|Work | eh, what |
| 16:01.23 | Fisker- | Why is it that i see #if in some code instead of just if? |
| 16:01.33 | Shirik|Work | that's a preprocessor directive |
| 16:01.49 | Shirik|Work | basically... it's an "if" for the compiler. It determines whether or not the compiler will use the code or not |
| 16:01.57 | Shirik|Work | "if" is ALWAYS put into code, it's tested at run time |
| 16:02.01 | Fisker- | ah |
| 16:02.13 | Shirik|Work | "#if" says to the compiler "if this is true, then put this code in the executable. Otherwise, leave it out" |
| 16:02.16 | Shirik|Work | it's done at compile time |
| 16:02.29 | Lunessa | cogwheel: I can't get logged in either. |
| 16:03.15 | Shirik|Work | For example, one thing I do is use "#ifdef _DEBUG <some code> #endif" (which is the same as #if defined(_DEBUG) ) |
| 16:03.34 | Fisker- | yarr |
| 16:03.38 | Fisker- | i get it now :o |
| 16:03.39 | Shirik|Work | that way, if I compile my code in debug mode, it'll run slower, but do some extra tests for me. When I'm ready to release the code, I compile with _DEBUG undefined, and it leaves that out, making it faster |
| 16:03.46 | Shirik|Work | ok :) Time for lunch |
| 16:03.49 | Fisker- | enjoy :P |
| 16:04.15 | cogwheel | Lunessa: "good" |
| 16:04.16 | cogwheel | :P |
| 16:04.42 | Lunessa | cogwheel: I see. It's a Gnomish conspiracy to prevent Night Elves from posting! |
| 16:04.58 | cogwheel | No, it's a misery loves company conspiracy :P |
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| 16:05.30 | Valaron|Work | heppy tuesday |
| 16:05.38 | cogwheel | u2 |
| 16:06.53 | Valaron|Work | This is the first week of summer break for the kids. |
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| 16:12.03 | cog|work | save us all imo |
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| 16:14.51 | Lunessa | ... I live by the beach. Traffic was so thick this weekend I just holed up in my apartment and played games. |
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| 16:25.16 | foxlit | Halting problem proof is evil :/ |
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| 16:35.22 | zenzelezz | my god, druid solos Onyxia |
| 16:36.29 | Wikwocket | I saw that, impressive |
| 16:36.43 | wereHamster | video? |
| 16:37.55 | zenzelezz | http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/05/26/druid-solos-onyxia/ |
| 16:38.26 | wereHamster | argh, flash. Will have to wait till I get home |
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| 16:44.59 | Lunessa | While I'm sure the event wasn't boring to /do/, it's certainly boring to /watch/. |
| 16:45.13 | Wikwocket | how long was the kill? |
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| 16:46.28 | Lunessa | I don't know. It's still playing, and he "fast forwarded" the event for us. He's doing Phase II at 33% through the video. |
| 16:49.20 | Lunessa | Ugh, kiting the whelps. |
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| 17:10.03 | Mikk | lal. i'm bloody gonna go do that with my resto druid. |
| 17:10.10 | Mikk | thorns damage up y0! |
| 17:10.23 | Mikk | oh right i specced insect swarm last respec too |
| 17:13.00 | frup | :P |
| 17:13.15 | frup | bt4 is resetting bars position after logout :P |
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| 17:22.41 | nevcairiel | its not! |
| 17:22.58 | frup | it's for me :P |
| 17:31.11 | Lunessa | ... I found my "How to" article on page 11. This needed a [nostealth] bump. :P |
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| 17:45.41 | kd3 | damn bug is preventing me from installing something rather important |
| 17:47.43 | Josh_Borke | vmware to the rescue! |
| 17:47.51 | kd3 | seriously considering it |
| 17:48.02 | Josh_Borke | fu you clad! |
| 17:48.24 | zenzelezz | I use VMWare at work... because I have to use a horrible VPN with one of our clients that blocks all sorts of ports and downloads x.x |
| 17:50.54 | wereHamster | kd3: which app? |
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| 18:00.57 | Shirik|Work | batrick: I have turned into you |
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| 18:01.36 | Shirik|Work | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/88518 |
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| 18:01.51 | Shirik|Work | everything evil about C/C++ is in that pastey |
| 18:02.35 | Wikwocket | goto! |
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| 18:02.59 | zenzelezz | that's not C++ evil Shirik, just bad code |
| 18:03.04 | Shirik|Work | I didn't want to throw an exception because it would just be ignored anyway and waste a lot of time |
| 18:03.20 | Shirik|Work | I wrote it better zenzelezz, then I deleted it |
| 18:03.23 | wereHamster | goto is better, read the linux kernel docs why |
| 18:03.26 | Shirik|Work | for two reasons: It was slower and it caused warnings |
| 18:03.44 | Shirik|Work | negligable warnings, but warnings nonetheless |
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| 18:04.52 | Shirik|Work | I also had a do while(false) for a while |
| 18:04.58 | Shirik|Work | I got rid of that though |
| 18:05.24 | nevcairiel | do while(false) ? that sounds terribly useless |
| 18:05.34 | wereHamster | while(;;) |
| 18:05.37 | Shirik|Work | it's actually used quite liberally throughout the Linux kernel |
| 18:05.44 | Shirik|Work | and that's where I picked up the trick |
| 18:05.53 | zenzelezz | wereHamster: that's for(;;), with while just do true |
| 18:05.57 | nevcairiel | but why? |
| 18:05.59 | wereHamster | err.. for(;;) |
| 18:06.27 | Shirik|Work | http://kernelnewbies.org/FAQ/DoWhile0 |
| 18:06.43 | nevcairiel | i usually prefer while(1) over for(;;) |
| 18:07.15 | nevcairiel | cant you create a basic block with {} without the do-while? |
| 18:07.26 | wereHamster | no |
| 18:07.43 | nevcairiel | i am sure you can |
| 18:07.58 | Shirik|Work | you can, but it wouldn't work quite right |
| 18:08.17 | Shirik|Work | take the if-else case |
| 18:08.24 | Fisker- | i destroy you nevcairiel |
| 18:08.25 | wereHamster | nevcairiel: the kernelnewbies site explains where that fails |
| 18:08.30 | frup | isn't for(;;) faster than while(1) ? |
| 18:08.59 | wereHamster | it should be the same, every sane compiler will see that it's a endless loop |
| 18:09.00 | Shirik|Work | if it is, that's a stupid compiler |
| 18:09.25 | frup | talking about gcc and such |
| 18:09.41 | wereHamster | gcc is pretty smart |
| 18:10.02 | nevcairiel | it should create the same code for both loops |
| 18:10.04 | nevcairiel | i guess |
| 18:10.11 | Shirik|Work | it should |
| 18:10.16 | Shirik|Work | just a jmp |
| 18:10.16 | frup | aye "should" |
| 18:10.24 | Shirik|Work | any intelligent compiler will |
| 18:10.38 | nevcairiel | good that gcc can save the asm out |
| 18:11.11 | nevcairiel | now if i would remember the parameter to enable it .. |
| 18:11.26 | wereHamster | -S out.asm |
| 18:11.36 | Drundia | i remember i tried some compiler and got a conclusion that logically the same fors and whiles are compiled into the same code |
| 18:11.54 | wereHamster | or gcc -S -o out.asm in.c |
| 18:13.43 | nevcairiel | i suppose it optimized my loops away |
| 18:13.51 | wereHamster | -O0 |
| 18:14.53 | nevcairiel | i have one of my loops |
| 18:14.56 | nevcairiel | but not the second |
| 18:15.10 | Shirik|Work | yeah... VS does something strange too |
| 18:15.16 | Shirik|Work | maybe I have optimization off though |
| 18:15.19 | wereHamster | pastey the c source :) |
| 18:15.47 | Shirik|Work | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/88519 |
| 18:16.38 | nevcairiel | http://wowi.pastey.net/88521 |
| 18:16.56 | nevcairiel | i see one loop in my code |
| 18:18.07 | Drundia | it actually compiled in unreachable code.... |
| 18:18.15 | nevcairiel | it actually didnt |
| 18:18.20 | Shirik|Work | because I have optimizations off Drundia |
| 18:18.22 | Shirik|Work | I'm in debug mode |
| 18:18.22 | Drundia | nevcairiel, i think it didn't compile unreachable code in your case |
| 18:18.25 | Drundia | but did for Shirik|Work |
| 18:18.30 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 18:18.37 | nevcairiel | i tested it with one of the loops commented out |
| 18:18.39 | nevcairiel | same code |
| 18:18.45 | wereHamster | nevcairiel: the compiler probably sees that the second loop is never reached |
| 18:18.50 | Shirik|Work | in VS's debug configuration it does nothing to optimize your code. It actually intentionally makes it slower |
| 18:19.04 | Shirik|Work | in release mode, it only did the for loop. However, I commented out all but one, and all cases were the same as the for loop, as expected |
| 18:19.06 | Drundia | i remember i once tested something like.... let me try to recall.... |
| 18:19.09 | nevcairiel | yeah but i created 2 files with botht ypes of loops |
| 18:19.10 | nevcairiel | same asm code |
| 18:19.28 | Mikk | yes but you have to actually tell the compiler to leave stuff like that out |
| 18:19.43 | Mikk | and yes it really does leave it out if configured properly |
| 18:19.58 | Mikk | MS' compiler rocks the socks off of gc |
| 18:19.59 | nevcairiel | gcc has configuration short of the command line switches? |
| 18:20.00 | Mikk | gcc* |
| 18:20.04 | Shirik|Work | it really does |
| 18:20.06 | Mikk | oh you're using gcc |
| 18:20.14 | Shirik|Work | but I intentionally run in debug mode |
| 18:20.25 | Shirik|Work | memory protection is <3 for finding bugs |
| 18:20.27 | Drundia | but it was almost like "for (stat; check; post) {code}" giving same results as "{stat; while(check) {code; post;}}" |
| 18:20.53 | nevcairiel | according to the C reference manual, it should |
| 18:20.54 | Drundia | test was pretty much abstracted to the point that compiler can't guess |
| 18:21.19 | Drundia | nevcairiel, and it did :) |
| 18:21.50 | nevcairiel | wonder if gcc removes a do-while(0) loop |
| 18:22.02 | Mikk | it should when enough optimizations are on |
| 18:22.38 | nevcairiel | it does without optimizations |
| 18:22.42 | nevcairiel | -O0 that is |
| 18:23.11 | nevcairiel | there is not one reason to keep it in |
| 18:23.12 | nevcairiel | ever |
| 18:24.15 | Mikk | there's plenty when you're debugging and modifying code yourself |
| 18:24.38 | nevcairiel | it probably stays if i turn on debug ifnormation |
| 18:25.17 | nevcairiel | man the asm is long |
| 18:25.28 | Drundia | i think it is only useful if you are modifying compiled code |
| 18:26.00 | wereHamster | or checking whether gcc optimizes loops using mmx/sse |
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| 18:56.10 | Kaso | is it possible to issue a ssh command with the password, something like "ssh user:pass@host killall fred" rather than have it ask me for the password |
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| 19:02.28 | testleK | Kaso: why not use an ssh key? |
| 19:02.36 | ZealotOnAStick | there should be a command line switch for it. something like -uUsername or maybe it's -lLoginname and then I -think- there's also one for password, but I'm not positive. |
| 19:02.53 | ZealotOnAStick | does ssh --help not give you a list? |
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| 19:03.12 | testleK | from what im being told you would have to write a small script to expect the password prompt then fill it |
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| 19:04.49 | Kaso | how do the ssh keys work testleK, forgive my noobism |
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| 19:06.36 | Esamynn | Kaso: magic! ;) |
| 19:07.14 | Kaso | most of linux stuff works by magic as far as i understand >.< |
| 19:07.19 | testleK | http://pkeck.myweb.uga.edu/ssh/ |
| 19:08.06 | testleK | or just google 'how to set up ssh keys' theres tons of how to's its pretty simple |
| 19:10.32 | testleK | http://www.astro.caltech.edu/~mbonati/WIRC/manual/DATARED/setting_up_no-password_ssh.html is a pretty straight forward how to as well |
| 19:10.34 | Mikk | there's no commandline args for passwords, on purpose |
| 19:10.39 | Mikk | you CAN however set an env var |
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| 19:48.27 | Lunessa | cog|away: You da man. |
| 19:48.40 | Lopeppeppy | Ya. |
| 19:52.31 | cog|away | NO U! |
| 19:53.42 | Lunessa | cog|away: NO U! PWNT! |
| 19:54.02 | cog|away | Lunessa: NO U! DOUBLE PWNT! NO PWNBACKS!!! |
| 19:54.18 | Fisker- | BO NOTH OF U |
| 19:54.20 | Fisker- | damnit |
| 19:57.44 | Fisker- | i'll hurt you both |
| 19:58.13 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. |
| 19:58.31 | Fisker- | make that three of you |
| 19:59.53 | Lopeppeppy | We're ascairt. Oh noes. |
| 20:00.09 | cog|away | Rawr à trois |
| 20:00.54 | Lopeppeppy | *shiver* |
| 20:00.55 | Lopeppeppy | Say that again |
| 20:01.26 | cog|away | I would but I don't know the legal ramifications... |
| 20:02.10 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, okay. |
| 20:02.11 | Fisker- | you may be hurt |
| 20:02.20 | Fisker- | btw hai |
| 20:02.25 | Lopeppeppy | No, I don't think so. Cogwheel is a gentleman and Lunessa likes me. |
| 20:02.51 | Fisker- | but i am a clone of remnants made out of hitler and stalin |
| 20:03.21 | Lunessa | I wouldn't hurt Lopeppeppy - unless she asked me reaaaaaaaaly nicely. |
| 20:03.35 | Fisker- | <-sleep tiems |
| 20:07.03 | Lopeppeppy | Thanks, Lunessa! *hug* |
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| 20:11.46 | cog|away | hi |
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| 20:15.52 | Olison | Mmm, I'm looking for such a mod: http://fireglow.de/img/u/bc24d.png (Adds statistics about healing and damage to the battleground window) - Does such a thing exist? |
| 20:17.44 | Drundia | you mean sum? |
| 20:17.45 | haste | write one |
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| 20:18.21 | Olison | No U! Name it oSomething |
| 20:19.05 | Drundia | just summing it all and displaying doesn't even look useful to me |
| 20:19.06 | alestane | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6762330773&sid=1 : Why do people persist in trying to create "The ULTIMATE Totem-Killing Macro: it targets, it downranks, it petattacks, it dices..."? |
| 20:19.06 | Mikk | oSomething strikes me as a bit fuzzy as far as names go |
| 20:19.20 | Mikk | oSumthing ? |
| 20:19.20 | dylanm | It's faction pride, man. |
| 20:19.34 | Olison | Sumthing, heh |
| 20:19.38 | foxlit | pfft |
| 20:19.40 | foxlit | unicode chars |
| 20:20.01 | foxlit | ÏSmething clearly > oSomething |
| 20:20.06 | Mikk | öSúmthïñg? |
| 20:20.19 | Drundia | oSmethjoing ftw |
| 20:20.32 | Drundia | who can make more typos! |
| 20:20.54 | foxlit | Ï << small sigma |
| 20:21.06 | Mikk | ö <<< ö |
| 20:21.10 | cog|away | lua> ÏSumthing > oSumthing |
| 20:21.11 | lua_bot | cog|away: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near 'Ï' |
| 20:21.23 | cog|away | lua_bot: l2utf-8 imo |
| 20:21.23 | lua_bot | cog|away: luabot:1: '=' expected near '-' |
| 20:21.41 | cog|away | lua> "ÏSumthing" > "oSumthing" |
| 20:21.41 | lua_bot | cog|away: true |
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| 20:21.48 | cog|away | <--- l2quote |
| 20:22.37 | Drundia | ~fail cog|away |
| 20:22.38 | purl | cog|away: FAIL! |
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| 20:27.14 | Esamynn | http://tech.slashdot.org/tech/08/05/27/1643258.shtml |
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| 20:31.45 | cog|away | . |
| 20:33.23 | Esamynn | cog|away: my brain hurts! |
| 20:37.45 | Nechckn | doesn't it always, Esamynn? |
| 20:38.32 | Esamynn | Nechckn: only when I'm presented with a new example of human stupidity that I haven't managed to repress yet |
| 20:39.50 | Nechckn | mmmm.... regression |
| 20:40.16 | Nechckn | I prefer to use my repressor for memories, thank you! |
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| 20:52.45 | bleeter | Cairenn|afk: that topic's been deleted, still haven't heard back from the GMs tho |
| 20:55.08 | Mike-N-Go | Is there a way to run WoW on two windows at once, not mirroring? |
| 20:57.25 | MentalPower | yeah, just run the exec twice |
| 20:57.42 | Mike-N-Go | MentalPower: Not exactly what I am trying to do. |
| 20:57.53 | MentalPower | explain then |
| 20:58.24 | Mike-N-Go | I have two screens on my setup. |
| 20:58.55 | cog|away | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12052602&sid=1 |
| 20:58.58 | cog|away | (probably) |
| 20:59.18 | Mike-N-Go | I ponder if it is possible, to extend the wow window across both screens. |
| 20:59.28 | cog|away | (not probably, then) |
| 20:59.35 | Mike-N-Go | I am on the Macintosh platform, if that means anything. |
| 20:59.51 | MentalPower | I don't think its possible on a mac |
| 21:00.01 | MentalPower | I *think* thats a windows-only feature |
| 21:00.22 | cog|away | yeah, you have to have both OS and driver support |
| 21:00.43 | cog|away | and even then, wow won't necessarily recognize the available resolution |
| 21:01.13 | cog|away | but if it's possible, that link is your best bet for figuring out how |
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| 21:08.19 | Mike-N-Go | Thanks for the link. |
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| 21:20.09 | Valaron|Work | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBIjWA8CHls |
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| 21:40.24 | p3lim | how can i set the framelevel on a texture |
| 21:41.24 | p3lim | wow will recognize dual monitors and use a resolution that is stretched over |
| 21:41.48 | p3lim | tried this with 3 monitors tilted over me (all 42" widescreen tvs), sick! |
| 21:42.10 | p3lim | FPS games become exercice to the head/neck/back |
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| 21:43.05 | cog|away | p3lim: SetDrawLayer |
| 21:43.13 | cog|away | textures don't have frame levels |
| 21:43.20 | cog|away | 'cause they're not frames |
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| 21:43.39 | p3lim | yeah know, was wondering what api i should use, thanks cog |
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| 22:11.52 | MentalPower | anyone know where this is from? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S88rkpPu8_g |
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| 23:07.11 | wereHamster | Shirik: this is something for you: Azul hardware (which is in production with 768 cores), supporting 700+ hardware threads in Java. |
| 23:07.26 | Shirik | java chip? |
| 23:07.53 | Shirik | seriously, 768 cores? |
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| 23:11.52 | Kaso | wtf that is fucking retarded |
| 23:11.59 | Kaso | The Azul Vega⢠3 7300 and 3300 Series compute appliances offer an unprecedented amount of highly scalable compute capacity for Java-based applications, with up to 864 processor cores and 768 GB of memory in a flat SMP configuration. |
| 23:12.12 | Kaso | what?! how?! |
| 23:13.07 | Lunessa | First, the captured Tinkerbell, then sprinkled Fairy Dust on the cores... |
| 23:13.23 | Kaso | heh |
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| 23:18.21 | Drundia | ~wowalert |
| 23:18.22 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US), http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) |
| 23:18.48 | Drundia | ~ty |
| 23:18.49 | purl | methinks ty is thank you, or cobb -- a baseball player |
| 23:18.59 | Drundia | ~botsnack |
| 23:18.59 | purl | Drundia: aw, gee |
| 23:19.22 | Drundia | desperation: i'm talking with purl... |
| 23:20.02 | Hjalte | Purl is a nice robot. |
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| 23:41.22 | Sixen | Heh, there's 2 more "alert websites" I know of. |
| 23:45.55 | MentalPower | Sixen: oh? |
| 23:46.20 | Sixen | One sec. |
| 23:49.34 | Sixen | http://status.wow-europe.com/es/alert (ES), http://status.wow-europe.com/fr/alert (FR), http://status.wow-europe.com/de/alert (German), http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.co.kr/alert (KR) |
| 23:49.46 | Sixen | Then the US and EU ones. |
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| 23:56.52 | Shirik | honestly, I can see the use |
| 23:57.00 | Shirik | (going back to a very old topic of 800 cores) |
| 23:57.18 | Shirik | well, purpose, not use. |
| 23:57.54 | Shirik | Being able to eliminate context switch time would be amazing for realtime systems |
| 23:58.11 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik! Ping! |
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| 23:58.53 | Seerah | http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2008/05/27/rock_band/ |
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