IRC log for #wowuidev on 20080524

`00:00.26`	`bleeter`	`ckknight: just sent an email off, requesting that access I discussed with you yesterday ;) :)`
`00:00.38`	`ckknight`	`access?`
`00:01.18`	`ckknight`	`ah`
`00:01.29`	`ckknight`	`bleeter: question: why you getting an svn account?`
`00:01.51`	`bleeter`	`ckknight: fix up the snafu externals, and other SVN snafus`
`00:01.58`	`ckknight`	`oh, right`
`00:01.59`	`ckknight`	`I remember`
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`00:02.48`	`bleeter`	`ckknight: you hav a bad memory? most of the time I have no memory, so if I were you I wouldn't feel too bad hehe ;)`
`00:04.15`	`Kaso`	`foxlit yes through cygwin at least`
`00:04.22`	`Kaso`	`but it isnt going to well >.<`
`00:04.27`	`Kaso`	`my hello world wont compile`
`00:04.56`	`Kaso`	`i'd love to be able to do it on a mac with the nice iphone sdk, but i lack exactly one mac for that`
`00:07.40`	`foxlit`	`I think the story was that gcc that ships with cygwin didn't support objective-c`
`00:09.10`	`Kaso`	`im compiling with arm-apple-darwin-gcc from the xcode package`
`00:11.53`	`MentalPower`	`Kaso: how are you transferring the compiled program over?`
`00:12.00`	`MentalPower`	`jailbroken iPhone?`
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`00:16.37`	`Xuerian`	`Awesome, wow just hard-locked me`
`00:17.25`	`foxlit`	`was my awesome update to blame?`
`00:18.07`	`Corrodias`	`last time i tried to login, after that last patch, it locked up on me. fortunately, i didn't want to play, so i just disabled my addons to login.`
`00:18.09`	`Xuerian`	`Shouldnt've been, I was flying to my netherwing dailies and it decided to lock. Just before that, I had to dismount to get it to stop maxing out the core`
`00:18.38`	`Xuerian`	`Remounted and it was fine, till the lock`
`00:20.44`	`Xuerian`	`Still have to get my soundcard dsp to work properly too, after this reformat the kX drivers won't align i/o properly`
`00:20.58`	`Kaso`	`indeed MentalPower`
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`00:36.23`	`kjoghpkpes`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`00:36.23`	`kjoghpkpes`	`~lart ckknight`
`00:36.23`	`purl`	`calls ckknight on the phone ... the lights are on but nobody's home`
`00:36.23`	`kjoghpkpes`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
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`00:36.24`	`gxlow`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`00:36.24`	`gxlow`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
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`00:36.25`	`nlarylbe`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`00:36.25`	`nlarylbe`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
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`00:36.31`	`eqmtv`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`00:36.32`	`eqmtv`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
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`00:36.34`	`ydldcuawk`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`00:36.34`	`ydldcuawk`	`~lart ckknight`
`00:36.34`	`purl`	`teaches ckknight the basics, including how to RTM`
`00:36.34`	`ydldcuawk`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
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`00:36.34`	`koer`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
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`00:36.34`	`xmdjszry`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
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`00:36.38`	`v`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`00:36.38`	`v`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
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`00:36.38`	`bxcm`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`00:36.38`	`bxcm`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`00:36.41`	`v`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
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`00:36.42`	`xywh`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`00:36.42`	`xywh`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`00:36.44`	`ydldcuawk`	`~lart ckknight`
`00:36.44`	`purl`	`slaps ckknight around with a large trout`
`00:36.46`	`v`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`00:36.46`	`ydldcuawk`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`00:36.46`	`bxcm`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`00:36.46`	`xmdjszry`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`00:36.46`	`xywh`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
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`00:36.46`	`vknza`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`00:36.46`	`vknza`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
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`00:36.46`	`cw`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`00:36.46`	`cw`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`00:36.49`	`ydldcuawk`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`00:36.49`	`vknza`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`00:36.49`	`cw`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
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`00:36.49`	`DARKGuy`	`what the hell`
`00:36.50`	`DARKGuy`	`die fuckers.`
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`00:36.51`	`khbk`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`00:36.51`	`khbk`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
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`00:36.52`	`d`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`00:36.53`	`d`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`00:36.53`	`vknza`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`00:36.55`	`vknza`	`~lart ckknight`
`00:36.55`	`purl`	`beats ckknight into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy`
`00:36.55`	`d`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
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`00:36.56`	`mxgouhdo`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`00:36.56`	`mxgouhdo`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`00:36.58`	`vknza`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`00:37.04`	`Arrowmaster`	`+rR`
`00:37.05`	`Zuirk`	`what the heck?`
`00:37.10`	`DARKGuy`	`die fuckers`
`00:37.11`	`DARKGuy`	`><`
`00:37.20`	`Corrodias`	`decent effort, but purl obviously won't fall for that`
`00:37.24`	`DARKGuy`	`haha`
`00:37.28`	`Zuirk`	`haha.`
`00:37.41`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Purl is a lady. She's going to get offended soon.`
`00:37.48`	`Zuirk`	`haha purl`
`00:37.51`	`Corrodias`	`unless it queued them all, which would be stupid`
`00:37.55`	`DARKGuy`	`sounds like Purr`
`00:37.55`	`DARKGuy`	`:P`
`00:38.08`	`DARKGuy`	`Ah, an angry woman. I wouldn't like to see that :P`
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`00:38.20`	`*** mode/#WoWUIDev [+b !.*@208.158.6.6] by Cairenn`
`00:38.21`	`DARKGuy`	`it would be -scary-`
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`00:41.55`	`Snago`	`I don't see what he think he'll gain by spamming in here -.-`
`00:42.21`	`Arrowmaster`	`well hes been doing it for like 2 weeks`
`00:42.42`	`Cairenn`	`only just started in here today though`
`00:43.02`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah hes been spaming wowace for like 2 weeks`
`00:43.09`	`Arrowmaster`	`which is why its +rR now`
`00:43.13`	`Cairenn`	`wish he'd fuck off and die, not like this is ckk's channel or anything`
`00:43.17`	`Arrowmaster`	`or +r`
`00:43.37`	`Kaso`	`He's a spammer doing what spammers do best`
`00:43.39`	`Arrowmaster`	`its mostly random spam`
`00:43.52`	`Cairenn`	`I had that on here before, but removed it so folks that are new to it irc don't have probs joining the channel`
`00:44.00`	`Cairenn`	`may put it back on though =/`
`00:44.28`	`Corrodias`	`it's easy to set up mirc to let you hit, say, F12 and turn on +m and +r (or whatever it is)`
`00:44.53`	`Kaso`	`surely with all the devs we have in here someone couldve written a script that auto-bans on first mention of his spam`
`00:45.08`	`Arrowmaster`	`the spam is always different`
`00:45.19`	`Cairenn`	`we've got freenode staff in here helping`
`00:45.19`	`Arrowmaster`	`would have to watch for repeated spam`
`00:45.36`	`Cairenn`	`since they can flat out Kline`
`00:46.06`	`bleeter`	`Cairenn: I don't think I've seen you swear like that before, at least not in public. Nice to know you are actually human and not a goddess after all ;) :P`
`00:46.08`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah most of the spam is coming from open proxies or compromised boxes`
`00:46.11`	`Corrodias`	`oh god, i have so many old aliases in mIRC from years ago`
`00:46.37`	`Cairenn`	`I have having to take the channel +r, because there are legit users/authors that join that may not know how irc works, until we educate them =/`
`00:46.53`	`Cairenn`	`bleeter: oh, I swear, trust me`
`00:47.00`	`bleeter`	`LIEZ!`
`00:47.16`	`Lopeppeppy`	`She's still a goddess, bleeter.`
`00:47.33`	`Cairenn`	`I worked with the military, with a live squadron - trust me, I swear`
`00:48.03`	`Cairenn`	`and before that I was working with a construction company`
`00:48.45`	`bleeter`	`omg`
`00:49.02`	`Xuerian`	`bleeter: So the thing to comment on would be "Self restraint" :P`
`00:49.03`	`bleeter`	`goddess in uniform`
`00:49.09`	`Xuerian`	`Ooor that.`
`00:49.19`	`Kaso`	`i always feel odd swaring in here, it seems such a civil channel its wrong to soil it too much :>`
`00:49.22`	`Cairenn`	`naw, I was a civvie contractor, not actually military myself`
`00:49.36`	`bleeter`	`though the idea of Cairenn wearing some clothes worn by the Village People.. does kinda turn me off`
`00:49.43`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I'm just a redneck girl geek, I cuss out of pure spite.`
`00:49.51`	`Cairenn`	`Lopeppeppy: grin`
`00:50.28`	`Xuerian`	`<3`
`00:50.55`	`Lopeppeppy`	`So there's this new Mountain Dew out, blue raspberry.`
`00:51.07`	`Cairenn`	`ooh, betcha that'd be yummy`
`00:51.27`	`Lopeppeppy`	`It's.... weird, but I got one anyway!`
`00:51.34`	`Lopeppeppy`	`It's called Voltage`
`00:51.51`	`Shirik`	`is that guy seriously still here?`
`00:52.13`	`Cairenn`	`he keeps showing up, yes`
`00:52.42`	`Shirik`	`<3 Dave2`
`00:52.47`	`Cairenn`	`indeed`
`00:57.42`	`Shirik`	`guys, btw, I'm here, just not paying entire attention to IRC`
`00:58.02`	`Shirik`	`you can always just ping me so my computer makes a noise :)`
`00:59.06`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Shirik: PING!`
`00:59.12`	`Shirik`	`<3 Lopeppeppy`
`01:04.08`	Funkeh`	`if you've got a basic table with a few entires x = {"one", "two", "three"} is for k in pairs(x) do x[k] = nil end the corrent way to remove them bearing in mind that's the numeral position`
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`01:08.00`	`Snago`	`I'd do: for i = 1, #x do x[i] = nil end`
`01:08.37`	`Kaso`	`Assuming your using array style indexing this ^ will be faster`
`01:08.42`	`Kaso`	`^^ that`
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`01:24.52`	`lagger`	`anyone know what that cooldownmod is called where it only shows the icon and timeleft and is filterable`
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`01:36.29`	`wereHamster`	`lagger: http://www.curse.com/downloads/details/1134/ ?`
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`02:00.50`	`Tekkub`	`http://blog.wired.com/cars/2008/05/honda-sells-its.html`
`02:00.54`	`Tekkub`	`I MUST HAVE ONE`
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`02:12.39`	`Shirik`	`lua> t = setmetatable({a = 4},{__call = function(self) return self.a end}); return 4 + t()`
`02:12.45`	`Shirik`	`--> t = setmetatable({a = 4},{__call = function(self) return self.a end}); return 4 + t()`
`02:12.46`	`batbot`	`Shirik: > 8`
`02:13.18`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Shirik! Ping!`
`02:13.24`	`Shirik`	`thank you Lopeppeppy!`
`02:16.48`	`Kaso`	`why are you doing that with metatables Shirik ?`
`02:17.01`	`Shirik`	`well it's a bit more complicated than that example`
`02:17.07`	`bleeter`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6757867616&sid=1`
`02:17.29`	`Shirik`	`I just thought maybe there was something strange I was doing wrong like operator precedence`
`02:18.10`	`Shirik`	`line 107:`
`02:18.10`	`Shirik`	`attempt to perform arithmetic on a table value`
`02:18.11`	`Shirik`	`:(`
`02:18.27`	`Shirik`	`and line 107 is total = total + pdfList[i](x);`
`02:20.17`	`wereHamster`	`maybe inside the __call function?`
`02:20.35`	`Kaso`	`yah unless the function returns a table i cant see how thatd error like that`
`02:20.42`	`bleeter`	`^^ THunderwulf gets trolled bigtime ;)`
`02:21.08`	`Shirik`	`oh wow I'm a fool`
`02:21.16`	`Shirik`	`it's supposed to be pdfList(...)[i](x)`
`02:21.17`	`Shirik`	`:(`
`02:21.35`	`Shirik`	`it's too late to be messing with this`
`02:22.52`	`Shirik`	`ok, fixed that`
`02:23.10`	`Shirik`	`but apparently integrating from -10G to 10KG at increments of 0.1 copper locks up your UI`
`02:23.21`	`Lopeppeppy`	`You think?`
`02:25.47`	`Kaso`	`hah`
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`02:29.38`	`bleeter`	`"Teabagging is in poor taste but not a policy violation. Bear druids may still, in fact, enjoy a slow groove on your recently-slain head." <GM Belfaire>`
`02:30.11`	`Lopeppeppy`	`EEew. sigh`
`02:34.59`	`Lukian`	`ROFL`
`02:35.02`	`Lukian`	`<3`
`02:37.16`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`haha`
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`02:58.33`	`Guest359`	`i have a question`
`02:58.55`	`Nechckn`	`Ask it, if someone knows the answer they'll pipe in`
`02:59.03`	`Guest359`	`it may be way off topic but im not sure where to go to find out`
`02:59.07`	`Nechckn`	`it could take a while, just be patient`
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`02:59.39`	`wereHamster`	`and I have an answer for you, but I won't tell it until you tell your question :)`
`02:59.40`	`Guest359`	`how do you seel items in the AH if it binds to you when picked up`
`02:59.52`	`Guest359`	`sell`
`02:59.56`	`Shirik`	`you don't`
`02:59.56`	`JoshBorke`	`Guest359: you cannot`
`03:00.03`	`Nechckn`	`no problem.. you cannot, unfortunately`
`03:00.10`	`Nechckn`	`the BOP items are never sellable`
`03:00.26`	`JoshBorke`	`BOP wouldn't mean very much if you could resell them :-D`
`03:00.27`	`Guest359`	`im reading all these guides on how to make gold and the items they say to get - say that they bind when picked up`
`03:00.30`	`Nechckn`	`Bind of Equip are sellable, as long as you do not wear or use 'em`
`03:00.42`	`JoshBorke`	`Guest359: you sell them back to a vendor`
`03:00.46`	`Arrowmaster`	`except if you get really luck and get one of the odd BoP items thats in a lockbox, but you cant sell those on the AH anyway`
`03:01.11`	`Nechckn`	`what are the guides telling you to find?`
`03:01.25`	`Guest359`	`so the ones that bind when picked up are not sellable in the AH but the ones that sayd bind when used - are - if you dont right click on them?`
`03:01.27`	`Nechckn`	`even one example may shed light on what they intend for you to do`
`03:01.38`	`Nechckn`	`Yes, that's right Guest359`
`03:01.48`	`Guest359`	`well it says to sell my parrot in a cross faction AH - but its bound`
`03:02.01`	`Nechckn`	`Ok.. that's because you used it`
`03:02.21`	`Guest359`	`and the piccolo of the flaming fire`
`03:02.22`	`Nechckn`	`If you bought it, but never used it, then you could sell it`
`03:02.36`	`Guest359`	`thottbot says it bibds on pick up`
`03:02.55`	`wereHamster`	`then you can't sell it`
`03:03.58`	`Guest359`	`last part of the question = do you have to be a certain class to dienchant items? or is that skill`
`03:04.18`	`wereHamster`	`that's a profession`
`03:04.26`	`Guest359`	`can hunters get that?`
`03:04.29`	`wereHamster`	`you can learn that`
`03:04.35`	`wereHamster`	`everybody can learn that`
`03:04.38`	`Lopeppeppy`	`It's a profession. You have to have X amount of skill to DE higher level items. All classes can learn it`
`03:04.58`	`Guest359`	`i am a level 50 hunter (but still retty green)`
`03:05.06`	`Guest359`	`thank you so much !!!!`
`03:05.35`	`Nechckn`	`Have fun- feed your pet a treat for us.`
`03:06.06`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Sounds like kind of an old guide, but it should still have some good hints`
`03:06.15`	`Guest359`	`maybe he would like the parrot LOL`
`03:06.32`	`Nechckn`	`mmm... parrot....`
`03:07.42`	`Seerah`	`rofl`
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`03:09.19`	`zespri`	`why AH 1 hour delay was introduced?`
`03:09.28`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Gold farmers?`
`03:09.48`	`zespri`	`how does this impede them?`
`03:10.02`	`Lopeppeppy`	`It adds another layer to prevent some of the abuse of cyclng things endlessly.`
`03:10.12`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Nothing "impedes" them.`
`03:10.14`	`Nechckn`	`gives Blizz time to track transactions, most likely as well`
`03:10.31`	`zespri`	`what do you mean by cycling?`
`03:10.47`	`Nechckn`	`selling an item over and over to move money around`
`03:10.55`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Buy it. Resell it, buy it, resell it, launder the gold a lot.`
`03:11.03`	`Nechckn`	`with a 1 hour wait.. that gets really difficult`
`03:12.34`	`Nechckn`	`A wants to give B money.. has B post a leather bag for 20 g.. A buys bag, sends the bag back to B... B relists and the cycle continues`
`03:12.51`	`zespri`	`wow, so there are really people out there who use AH repeatedly to prevent blizz finding out where the gold came from?`
`03:13.02`	`Lopeppeppy`	`They TRY to use it that way, yes.`
`03:13.02`	`Nechckn`	`it's so those A giving B 20Kg isn't such a huge, glaring item`
`03:13.16`	`Arrowmaster`	`blizz logs all player to player gold transactions though`
`03:13.31`	`Nechckn`	`yepper`
`03:13.52`	`Nechckn`	`laundering the cash makes it hard to say who is doing what though`
`03:14.01`	`Nechckn`	`which is the whole point, I guess`
`03:14.06`	`zespri`	`ok makes sense, thank you guys`
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`03:14.32`	`Nechckn`	`Be sure to buy my leather bag for 20g when you get back to the AH, thank you!`
`03:15.07`	`zespri`	`I haven't played since BC came out and just a week ago logged in to see how things go`
`03:15.19`	`Zuirk`	`here's a good question: ok.. i think it's good.. lol .. but if i have a function name(arg1,arg2)`
`03:15.25`	`zespri`	`there is a lot I forgot and there is a lot of new things as well`
`03:15.29`	`Zuirk`	`and i only pass arg1 .. will i get an error`
`03:15.34`	`Lopeppeppy`	`They have made changes, zespri, but most are entirely for the best`
`03:15.40`	`Zuirk`	`or will it ignore the second arg?`
`03:15.43`	`zespri`	`and some of them doesn't make sense unless someone expalins. Like in this case.`
`03:16.24`	`Lopeppeppy`	`To balance it, zespri, mail between your own characters is instant now, so you can swap items around alts much easier`
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`03:18.26`	`zespri`	`right. well thanks again. one more question, back then there were mods that could estimate mob health in absolute numbers not in percentages. is this something that still around, or did blizzard disable this?`
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`03:18.53`	`Zuirk`	`it's still around.`
`03:19.09`	`Zuirk`	`X-Perl uses absolute numbers.`
`03:19.56`	`Arrowmaster`	`ugg wtf is up with my halo se xbox, i never use it but now the dvd drive motor seems to be dying and i have to hold the power button to get it to turn on or off, not just tap it`
`03:20.07`	`Zuirk`	`however, i have noticed with X-Perl that the abs no. only starts to show once you get into combat.`
`03:20.13`	`Zuirk`	`don't know if that is relevant or not.`
`03:20.22`	`Seerah`	`rofl - Arrowmaster, I read that as halo SexBox`
`03:20.29`	`Arrowmaster`	`yet my v1.0 xbox is perfectly fine`
`03:20.47`	`Nechckn`	`woo! Halo Sex Box!!`
`03:20.56`	`Nechckn`	`where do we buy those?`
`03:21.06`	`Zuirk`	`Arrow: if I have a function name(arg1, arg2) and only pass name(arg1) do i get an error.. or does that just mean arg2 was optional?`
`03:21.08`	`Nechckn`	`mine, too Arrowmaster`
`03:21.27`	`zespri`	`Zuirk, the second arg will be nil if you omit it on the function call`
`03:21.44`	`Zuirk`	`ok.. that's good enough for me.`
`03:21.44`	`Zuirk`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:21.56`	`Arrowmaster`	`Nechckn: you have one too thats got a dying dvd drive motor?`
`03:23.03`	`Zuirk`	`also is there a way to test a variable to see if it's a number or a table (aka object)`
`03:23.04`	`Zuirk`	`?`
`03:23.11`	`Arrowmaster`	`type()`
`03:23.24`	`Zuirk`	`O.o sweet!`
`03:25.24`	`zespri`	`there is a good deal of inflation happened since these days. Greens never cost that much as they are now. This must make life for the newcomers more difficult I think. Although TBH I don't think there are many newcomers nowaday`
`03:25.50`	`Lopeppeppy`	`The twinking competition has grown fast and furious`
`03:26.56`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Best 40 DW shaman weapons. gogogogo`
`03:27.05`	`\|Jelly\|`	`lv40, that is`
`03:27.39`	`Xuerian`	`zespri: Newcomers can take it hard then - Only greens I bought on two characters while leveling was for one of them, the shadoweave set`
`03:27.46`	`Xuerian`	`Still wearing it 20 levels later`
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`03:28.17`	`Xuerian`	`Granted my other one is parked at 60, and aside from the warlord axes, is entirely in bc greens`
`03:30.03`	`Xuerian`	`zespri: Anyhow, I think it didn't hurt newbies as much as help them - You can make loads of gold you need for skills and mount by selling greens that drop`
`03:31.12`	`zespri`	`Mount money were a problem, skill money I think never were...`
`03:32.13`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Daily quests = no money problems now.`
`03:32.19`	`Lopeppeppy`	`\|Jelly\|, no idea. hug`
`03:32.19`	`\|Jelly\|`	`lol`
`03:32.27`	`\|Jelly\|`	`SEVENTY EIGHT GOLD ON REPAIRS FOR KARA LAST NIGHT!`
`03:32.45`	`Seerah`	`78?!? o.O`
`03:33.16`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Yeah.`
`03:33.29`	`Corrodias`	`impressive`
`03:33.39`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Note: 2046 unbuffed +heal. I don't need a damned thing from there. lol`
`03:34.15`	`Xuerian`	`Jelly: Sounds like eyou should be kicking someone in the tookus :P`
`03:34.16`	`zespri`	`daily quests?`
`03:34.54`	`Corrodias`	`i realized that i didn't have fun with daily quests`
`03:35.07`	`\|Jelly\|`	`I don't on a pvp server as a holy priest.`
`03:35.19`	`zespri`	`but yeeh, just sold level 7 sword for 2 gold on AH, I have now idea who posible need a 7 level sword for 2 golds. it won't last even a day, you'll be 15 by then =)`
`03:35.37`	`\|Jelly\|`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kxDxLAjkO8`
`03:36.48`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Unless you're twinking yourself at level 9 for fun.`
`03:37.32`	`Seerah`	`lol`
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`03:43.52`	`zespri`	`what professions would you guys recommend for a new char for money on a server where there is no other chars to get money from? back in my days the best were any two gathering professions or a gathering and enchanting to disenchant AH greens and seel the result.`
`03:44.05`	`zespri`	`by the look of it disenchanting is no longer profitable`
`03:44.16`	`zespri`	`although...`
`03:44.36`	`zespri`	`maybe the prove of dusts and essenses went up too accordingly`
`03:44.37`	`\|Jelly\|`	`mining and ?`
`03:44.45`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Herbalism and mining, if you must do two gathering. Use a /castsequence to swap back and forth.`
`03:45.04`	`\|Jelly\|`	`But. But. But. But. Isn't there a way to watch them both?!?`
`03:45.37`	`Corrodias`	`not without a /castsequence`
`03:45.54`	`Tem`	`write an addon to switch between them imo`
`03:46.02`	`\|Jelly\|`	`BUT BUT BUT! SAME TIME! OMG!`
`03:46.05`	`Tem`	`you can SetTracking from unsecure code without a hardware event`
`03:46.11`	`Corrodias`	`really? i didn't know that`
`03:46.20`	`Tem`	`I didn't know either until recently`
`03:46.30`	`\|Jelly\|`	`(I'm 100% joking, by the way)`
`03:46.43`	`Tem`	`I hate you, \|Jelly\|`
`03:47.23`	`\|Jelly\|`	`~hug Tem`
`03:47.24`	`purl`	`ACTION sneaks up on Tem and suddenly hugs Tem tightly`
`03:50.35`	`Xuerian`	`zespri: Herbalism at the very least, skinning or mining depending on prices on the server`
`03:51.10`	`Xuerian`	`Skinning is definitely faster`
`03:55.52`	`Shirik`	`~tackle \|Jelly\|`
`03:55.52`	`purl`	`ACTION tackles \|Jelly\| to the ground.`
`03:56.32`	`\|Jelly\|`	`http://www.dafont.com/jellyka-castles-queen.font would be a neat font to use in a UI ... too bad you wouldn't be able to read anything`
`03:57.05`	`Shirik`	`anyway.....`
`03:57.06`	`Shirik`	`night night`
`03:57.17`	`\|Jelly\|`	`night night`
`03:57.22`	`\|Jelly\|`	`~hug Shirik`
`03:57.23`	`purl`	`ACTION sneaks up on Shirik and suddenly hugs Shirik tightly`
`03:58.33`	`Yssaril`	`\|Jelly\|: thats a bad ass font`
`03:58.51`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Very pretty. sigh`
`03:59.06`	`\|Jelly\|`	`I just think it's too ... script ... to be used in a UI. Too bard to read.`
`03:59.15`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Imma install it anyway just to see.`
`03:59.17`	`\|Jelly\|`	`:P`
`04:04.56`	`Zuirk`	`how does the ... work in a function? example: function xyz(arg1,...)`
`04:05.15`	`Xuerian`	`It's a tuple`
`04:05.53`	`Xuerian`	`You can do the shortcut way and function xyz(...) local args = {...}, or you can use select('#', ...) to get the number (I think?) and then pick out args with select(n, ...)`
`04:06.04`	`Xuerian`	`tables = bad though, unless you cache it :P`
`04:06.37`	`Yssaril`	`yea tables = lazy and lots of garbage usually :P`
`04:09.20`	`Xuerian`	`ARGH`
`04:09.29`	`Xuerian`	`Why is sethekk such a hard instance to get a heroic group for >_>`
`04:09.49`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Because those birds are annoying??`
`04:10.06`	`Xuerian`	`But I wanna become one of the annoying birds :(`
`04:10.32`	`Xuerian`	`That and epic flight form would help on Skyshatter >.>`
`04:11.47`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Xuerian: hard to get a heroic sethekk group? o_0 thats crazy`
`04:12.10`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`if i even mentioned it in my guild there'd probably be a dozen lining up to help...`
`04:12.28`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`did you tell them they can get the neat raven lord mount?`
`04:12.35`	`Xuerian`	`Not guilded`
`04:12.45`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`...`
`04:12.49`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`well, there's your first problem. :p`
`04:15.16`	`Xuerian`	`Yeah, I figured...`
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`04:29.53`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Alright. Here goes nothing.`
`04:30.01`	`Lopeppeppy`	`cheer`
`04:31.28`	`\|Jelly\|`	`REALLY don't see that font working in a UF though. lol`
`04:31.57`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Yeah, it's too pretty to be readable for a healer, and that's me.`
`04:33.16`	`\|Jelly\|`	`http://i25.tinypic.com/dqgoyv.jpg`
`04:33.43`	`\|Jelly\|`	`I'd leave it for just the names, if I could.`
`04:34.00`	`Lopeppeppy`	`So pretty, but completely unreadable. cry`
`04:40.25`	`Tekkub`	`another build day done, yatta`
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`04:51.59`	`Tekkub`	`for i=1,columns`
`04:52.03`	`Tekkub`	`*do`
`04:53.11`	`Zuirk`	`yep.. thanks.. that was it.`
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`05:23.01`	`Xuerian`	`So a ravenguard killed us through the floor... But it's a run!`
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`05:36.05`	`Cairenn`	`this is getting very old very fast`
`05:36.25`	`Tekkub`	`that wasn't the first?`
`05:36.33`	`Cairenn`	`it's been going on all day`
`05:36.43`	`Tekkub`	`<--- doesn't pay attention unless he's pinged usually`
`05:36.45`	`Cairenn`	`and apparently has been going on in the ace channel for a couple weeks now`
`05:37.05`	`Tekkub`	`sounds like the bans need some wider wildcards :)`
`05:37.13`	`Cairenn`	`I've no idea what they did about it over there, but we got freenode staff in here, helping us by k-lining`
`05:38.44`	`batrick`	`poor cairenn is getting her exercise today`
`05:39.13`	`Arrowmaster`	`we have mode +r over on wowace`
`05:39.14`	`bleeter`	`probably someone who thinks listened to a botter forum post telling them to blame WoWAce for the ban and not the bot program`
`05:39.20`	`Arrowmaster`	`but thats not such a good idea in here`
`05:39.23`	`bleeter`	`d/thinks/`
`05:39.33`	`bleeter`	`... whatever, sure you get my point`
`05:39.45`	`bleeter`	`*ban from wow`
`05:39.50`	`bleeter`	`WTB: [Coffee]`
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`05:51.09`	`Cairenn`	`I really don't want to go +r in here, but if this keeps up I don't know that we're going to have any choice`
`05:54.23`	`batrick`	`I could educate batbot to auto ban them if u want`
`05:54.30`	`batrick`	`^_^`
`05:54.42`	`Tekkub`	`that might be a good idea actually`
`05:55.24`	`Tekkub`	`just watch for someone that joins and immediately calls lua> or ~ more than once`
`05:55.44`	`Tekkub`	`within an in-human time span`
`05:56.29`	`Cairenn`	`go for it`
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`05:57.15`	`bleeter`	`yeah, that sounds like a better idea to start off with, comapred to +r`
`05:57.29`	`bleeter`	`soz, was late to convo oops haha`
`05:57.30`	`Cairenn`	`I'd much prefer it`
`05:57.54`	`Cairenn`	`but none of us wants to keep putting up with that spam, if we can't devise another solution`
`05:58.07`	`bleeter`	`still trying to edumacate the 'omg addons/mods got me banned' claims the distinction between addons, mods, and why mods get one banned but addons don't`
`05:58.14`	`Cairenn`	`s/I'm sure none/none`
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`05:58.57`	`Tekkub`	`bleeter, frankly... just tell them addon can't do that, and if they're not willing to understand why, just uninstall their addons`
`05:59.50`	`bleeter`	`Tekkub: I'm working towards a nice clean generic post that the GMs can use for their forum work, and one that can be used in UI/Macro forum, and referenced by every man woman dog from any UI website`
`06:00.19`	`Tekkub`	`cair already has a FAQ sticky`
`06:00.35`	`bleeter`	`Tekkub: largely came about because of the number of botting sites telling their users to blame Recount/Auctioneer/Quest Helper etc. to get the accounts over turned.`
`06:00.36`	`Tekkub`	`use that, and just pull out the relevant paragraph`
`06:01.04`	`Tekkub`	`oh yea, I bet that approach worked wonderfully too`
`06:02.10`	`Tekkub`	`I know it sounds really stupid... but the kind of person that would think that an addon could do that without even looking at it's code.... doesn't seem like the kind of person capable of a bot attack`
`06:02.17`	`bleeter`	`got me wound up nough to write a few paras about how mods are bannable, addons are not`
`06:02.18`	`Tekkub`	`even if they weren't the ones that made the botnet`
`06:02.35`	`bleeter`	`well see, this is the problem. we, the community, use the words interchangably`
`06:02.49`	`Tekkub`	`the words are intercangable :P`
`06:03.10`	`Tekkub`	`addons modify the game, they are mods`
`06:03.16`	`bleeter`	`Blizzard, do not. Blizzard (insofar as ban waves go) see 'in game modifications' and people think 'modification - mod - it's the latest auctioneer download'`
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`06:03.58`	`Tekkub`	`give me the whole text, every time I've seen that it's said "... that enable illegal actions such as..."`
`06:04.00`	`bleeter`	`you also get the swathes of people who don't grok the genuine interchangability of those terms, so never go near any addons`
`06:04.18`	`Tekkub`	`exactly, those people are fine`
`06:04.21`	`Tekkub`	`their loss`
`06:04.43`	`Tekkub`	`it's simpler to convert the idiots to the fearful and never worry about them installing your addon again :)`
`06:05.10`	`Tekkub`	`"OMG I GOT KEYLOGGED BY MY ADDONS!" ... "Stop using addons"`
`06:05.17`	`Tekkub`	`three words, problem solved!`
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`06:06.30`	`bleeter`	`so, what you're saying.. is .. the past three days that I've been defending various AddOn authors, yourself included, has been a complete waste of my time and I shouldn't have bothered`
`06:06.38`	`bleeter`	`well thankyou for your appreciation of my efforts`
`06:06.57`	`Tekkub`	`in short... at least for me yes you're wasting your time`
`06:07.00`	`bleeter`	`I know you didn't ask me to, just figured it was the polite and right thing to do`
`06:07.12`	`Tekkub`	`well then you don't know me`
`06:07.25`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Tekkub's never been the polite sort..`
`06:07.30`	`Tekkub`	`polite ain't right, and I don't suffer idiots... which is why I ain't polite`
`06:07.35`	`bleeter`	`it's impossible for one person to know each and every addon authors reaction to these allegations`
`06:08.03`	`bleeter`	`what would you have someone do? go around and survey every author, or just try and do the right and honorable thing and stick up for everyone?`
`06:08.18`	`Tekkub`	`I told you what I would do`
`06:08.34`	`Tekkub`	`for the good of the community, I would encourage the idiots to go away :)`
`06:08.59`	`Tekkub`	`they got banned in the first place, they KNOW why`
`06:09.11`	`Tekkub`	`why defend yourself to them?`
`06:09.13`	`Arrowmaster`	`for the good of the community add a link to AoC while your at it`
`06:09.41`	`bleeter`	`ok, well sorry for being an idiot and trying to do what I thought was the right thing by the entire community`
`06:09.48`	`bleeter`	`as I'm an idiot, I guess I'll fuck off then`
`06:09.57`	`Cairenn`	`guys`
`06:10.00`	`Tekkub`	`eyeroll`
`06:10.01`	`bleeter`	`thankyou for your complete lack of appreciation of me even trying to give it a go`
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`06:10.45`	`Tekkub`	`bleeter, you notice thru all this I've just been telling you what I would do?`
`06:11.00`	`Tekkub`	`I never said you were an idiot or to fuck off`
`06:11.21`	`Tekkub`	`and ask the others I ain't afraid to tell people to fuck off... for the slightest reason`
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`06:12.10`	`Xuerian`	`Weeeeee anzu down`
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`06:12.19`	`Tekkub`	`Xuerian, fuck off`
`06:12.20`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`feh, anzu's easy`
`06:12.28`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`like Tekkub's mom.`
`06:12.29`	`Xuerian`	`Not the bird that is hard`
`06:12.33`	`Xuerian`	`Getting the damn group is`
`06:12.34`	`Xuerian`	`XD`
`06:12.48`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`grats on epic flight form though :)`
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`06:16.55`	`Tekkub`	`bleeter, http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=442927843&sid=1`
`06:16.59`	`Tekkub`	`post #5`
`06:17.05`	`Tekkub`	`you don't need to write anything up`
`06:17.20`	`Tekkub`	`which was the other thing I was trying to tell you :P`
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`06:19.40`	`Xuerian`	`NightHawkTheSane: Weeeee, thanks`
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`06:26.59`	`batrick`	`I thought this would be easier lol, everytime I try to kick i get d/c'd`
`06:27.16`	`Cairenn`	`batrick I probably need to op him`
`06:27.18`	`Tekkub`	`\|cffb048f8\|Hitem:1337\|h[Failure]\|h\|r`
`06:27.23`	`batrick`	`not in this channel`
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`06:35.22`	`batrick`	`so weird`
`06:35.32`	`batrick`	`connection dies each time I send a kick command`
`06:35.38`	`batrick`	`iono`
`06:37.35`	`Arrowmaster`	`what exactly are you sending?`
`06:38.17`	`batrick`	`KICK #batbot batrick_`
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`06:39.36`	`Arrowmaster`	`looks right`
`06:39.46`	`Arrowmaster`	`try adding a message`
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`06:44.28`	`Frolic`	`If I send a message to the default chat frame, the message containing a player's name, is there any way to make their name a link (like receiving a whisper) so I can click to whisper or shift+click to /who them?`
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`06:47.28`	`Arrowmaster`	`yes`
`06:48.43`	`Arrowmaster`	`\|Hplayer:Name\|hLinktext\|h`
`06:48.52`	`Arrowmaster`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/UI_Escape_Sequences`
`06:49.24`	`Frolic`	`Thanks a bucnh!`
`06:49.27`	`Frolic`	`bunch*`
`06:55.55`	`batrick`	`should work now Cairenn`
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`06:57.06`	`Cairenn`	`here's hoping`
`06:57.58`	`batrick`	`!ban lua>.*fuck.-you`
`06:57.58`	`batbot`	`batrick: ok.`
`06:58.36`	`batrick`	`I just have it ban based on patterns, I dunno if I should do something more advanced, but that should catch most of them`
`06:58.39`	`Cairenn`	`if it turns out we need to op it, just let me know and I'll do so`
`06:58.47`	`Cairenn`	`nod see that`
`06:59.14`	`batrick`	`you can do that command too Cairenn fyi`
`06:59.25`	`Cairenn`	`oh?`
`06:59.33`	`batrick`	`or you should be able to :)`
`06:59.47`	`Cairenn`	`I'll keep that in mind`
`06:59.54`	`Cairenn`	`thanks batrick`
`06:59.57`	`batrick`	`yw`
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`08:19.23`	`Xuerian`	`Now I remember two things...`
`08:19.27`	`Xuerian`	`Why I don't pug, and why I don't raid...`
`08:26.21`	`Corrodias`	`why's that?`
`08:26.25`	`Corrodias`	`those? them?`
`08:26.41`	`Xuerian`	`A kara pug.`
`08:26.58`	`Xuerian`	`"Shackle star, diamond. Kill skull, x. interrupt x. Tank triangle on the right."`
`08:27.02`	`Xuerian`	`What happens? Someoen random pulls`
`08:27.05`	`Xuerian`	`someone dots shackles`
`08:27.06`	`Xuerian`	`healer dies`
`08:27.10`	`Xuerian`	`Healer leaves`
`08:27.24`	`Corrodias`	`chuckle`
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`08:30.04`	`Xuerian`	`Argh screw netherwing, I have swift flight now >_o`
`08:30.14`	`Corrodias`	`good, good`
`08:30.44`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`the revered trinket is still pretty nice`
`08:30.49`	`Xuerian`	`Already got it`
`08:30.51`	`Xuerian`	`On the last race`
`08:30.59`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`ah, well, screw it. :P`
`08:31.02`	`Xuerian`	`Eh you mean the exalted trinket?`
`08:31.08`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`no, revered.`
`08:31.11`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`the +45 sta one`
`08:31.14`	`Xuerian`	`Revered is just a second summon`
`08:31.34`	`Xuerian`	`hey what`
`08:31.36`	`Xuerian`	`0_o`
`08:31.46`	`Xuerian`	`Meh it's late, I'm ALMOST revered.`
`08:31.48`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32864`
`08:31.59`	`Xuerian`	`I'll get revered then screw them :D`
`08:32.18`	`Corrodias`	`yiff yiff`
`08:32.42`	`Xuerian`	`In bear form, it is indeed yiff`
`08:34.25`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`at least until you pick up the commendation`
`08:35.05`	`Xuerian`	`That is indeed yiff.... Then again, I haven't even done normal mgt`
`08:35.19`	`Xuerian`	`Wasn't playing when sunwell hit and I haven't grouped much since I started playing again`
`08:36.45`	`Corrodias`	`i now understand what attracted me to the game and won't fall for it again`
`08:37.01`	`Corrodias`	`at least, that's what i'd like to think`
`08:38.44`	`Xuerian`	`Haha, what is that?`
`08:39.16`	`Corrodias`	`oh, the mmorpg draw: exploration, easy improvement, collecting items`
`08:40.08`	`Corrodias`	`but what it left out, at least most of the time, was fun, substituting instead, during group activities, frustration.`
`08:40.20`	`Corrodias`	`that was a poorly constructed sentence`
`08:40.29`	`Xuerian`	`Commas commas COMMAS`
`08:40.44`	`Corrodias`	`most of the time, it wasn't "fun", though. and during group activities, it was usually just frustrating.`
`08:41.03`	`Xuerian`	`Yeah, I'd say that describes wow pretty well`
`08:41.12`	`Xuerian`	`If only life was that damn addictive`
`08:41.14`	`Corrodias`	`beating a boss for the first time in a raid could be exciting, but it really, really wasn't worth the effort.`
`08:41.16`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`"fun" in an mmog is somewhat of a paradox, though.`
`08:41.36`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`you want it to be "fun" playing with other people, but nine times out of ten, other people are idiots, and make it not "fun" :P`
`08:42.24`	`Xuerian`	`Agreed. The only time I really remember having fun was when I was leveling my main and in my first real guild, we were all friends, weren't stupid, and had fun playing.. no drama, no idiocy.`
`08:42.46`	`Corrodias`	`i'd spend 2.5 hours in a night doing something i hate (clearing trash), 1.5 hours enjoying fighting a boss, and the rest of the time trying to catch up with grinding? no, thanks. i'll play any other game for 2 hours and get more out of it.`
`08:43.07`	`Xuerian`	`Corrodias: What have you found to play?`
`08:43.21`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`I think it'd be neat to market a small-scale private mmog, where you distributed both client and server to the consumer, who set up the server on their hardware as private for who they wanted to play with.`
`08:43.41`	`Xuerian`	`NightHawkTheSane: Welcome to six years ago`
`08:43.46`	`Corrodias`	`well, i've gone through quite a few since my last raid. psychonauts, replays of chrono trigger, chrono cross, and ico...`
`08:43.49`	`Xuerian`	`NightHawkTheSane: When NWN debuted`
`08:43.54`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Xuerian: indeed.`
`08:43.58`	`Corrodias`	`what the hell else have i played? hmm`
`08:44.20`	`Xuerian`	`NightHawkTheSane: It's a shame that NWN2 bit so much raw ass, because NWN is still going`
`08:44.30`	`Corrodias`	`spent a little time with Armageddon Empires and i intend to buy it and play more`
`08:44.49`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Xuerian: you know, now that you mention it, i ought to look into nwn.`
`08:44.54`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`might be fun to toy with`
`08:44.54`	`Corrodias`	`paper mario (n64)`
`08:46.01`	`Xuerian`	`NightHawkTheSane: If you can get past the akward controls, the old graphics, and the lack of a storyline in the original campaign.... You'll have a great time. You can pick up the Community Expansion Pack (2.0? 3.0? don't remember) and hit up a persistent online world. Anything from hack-n-slash, to adventure, to roleplay, to social, to "social"`
`08:46.27`	`Corrodias`	`i also recommend the PRC Pack for additional spells, classes, etc`
`08:46.30`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`hehe, yeah, i dinked around with it way back when, very shortly`
`08:46.46`	`Corrodias`	`but i don't remember how it all works together, so don't ask me how to set it up`
`08:46.47`	`Xuerian`	`Corrodias: PRC pack? Guh?`
`08:47.24`	`Corrodias`	`Player Resource Consortium, i think is what it was named for. anyway, tons of prestige classes (and a few base classes), spells, domains, etc`
`08:47.31`	`Xuerian`	`shrug`
`08:47.37`	`Arrowmaster`	`gameplay on main storyline in nwn was kinda broken if you knew how to powergame it`
`08:47.40`	`Xuerian`	`It all depends on what the server you're joining has`
`08:47.48`	`Xuerian`	`Arrowmaster: You didn't play nwn for the OC`
`08:47.51`	`Corrodias`	`for a PW, yeah, you have to have just whatever packages they use`
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`08:48.14`	`Corrodias`	`i enjoyed NWN's single-player mode, but i also played in a DM-run campaign once or twice weekly, for a year`
`08:48.28`	`Fisker-`	`>*`
`08:48.29`	`Fisker-`	`:(`
`08:48.37`	`Xuerian`	`Ahhh, paradoxical`
`08:48.59`	`Arrowmaster`	`when nwn came out i was playing p&p rpgs weekly with friends`
`08:49.07`	`Xuerian`	`Corrodias: I worked on a large RP PW world. Was lead scripter and worked a lot on detailing the maps`
`08:49.12`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Arrowmaster: .. i still do that. >.> well, try to.`
`08:49.25`	`Corrodias`	`Splinter Cell i played. i have a bunch more to get to, too: more sam & max games, a couple of hitman games, the rest of paper mario plus the second paper mario game`
`08:49.28`	`Arrowmaster`	`all my friends have since moved away though`
`08:49.36`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`havnt had a game going since last fall.. ill probably try and start one up once 4e hits`
`08:49.47`	`Xuerian`	`Corrodias: Oh, I'd play Assassin's Creed if I had a 360`
`08:50.03`	`Corrodias`	`hey, good, Xuerian! i designed a map or two myself (not that i didn't suck) and performed most of the technical advisory and implementation for our campaign`
`08:50.13`	`Corrodias`	`there's a PC version of that game`
`08:50.19`	`Xuerian`	`Corrodias: Heh, nice. Ours wasn't a campaign, but more like a sub-mmo`
`08:50.25`	`Xuerian`	`Corrodias: It also requires vista and a non-crap pc`
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`08:50.29`	`Arrowmaster`	`a few of the things ive seen about 4e make me kinda put off about it`
`08:50.29`	`cncfanatics`	`yo all`
`08:50.33`	`Xuerian`	`Hey, cncfanatics`
`08:50.35`	`Corrodias`	`oh? it won't run without Vista?`
`08:50.46`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Arrowmaster: like what, out of curiosity?`
`08:50.47`	`Xuerian`	`Corrodias: I could be wrong`
`08:50.51`	`Corrodias`	`i'll check.`
`08:51.07`	`Arrowmaster`	`NightHawkTheSane: trying to remember the exact ones`
`08:51.31`	`Corrodias`	`yep, requires directx 10. fuck it, then. i'm glad the reviews made me yawn.`
`08:51.35`	`Xuerian`	`Corrodias: Either way, I'm on a P4 3.06 with 1gb of 266 ddr and a 7800GS`
`08:51.46`	`Xuerian`	`Corrodias: Haha, screw the reviews. It is fun as hell`
`08:51.47`	`Fisker-`	`Xuerian i must destroy you`
`08:52.12`	`Arrowmaster`	`NightHawkTheSane: oh the per day stuff`
`08:52.22`	`Corrodias`	`oh, i may play it some day, many years in the future. i usually play games that are years old.`
`08:52.23`	`Xuerian`	`Corrodias: I played it at my cousins a whole bunch. There is just nothing like the freedom in it yet, even though there's a game coming out that will top it`
`08:52.28`	`Xuerian`	`Fisker-: What'd I ever do to you?`
`08:52.40`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`you mean the different types of power usage? daily/encounter/at-will? or something else?`
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`08:52.54`	`Xuerian`	`Corrodias: Oh, and you can't beat assasinating a guard, turning around, slowly walking up to his buddy... and just as he watches his friend fall to the ground, you kill him too`
`08:53.08`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah, and from what i saw there wasnt really much per encounter stuff`
`08:53.09`	`Tekkub`	`http://www.explosm.net/comics/1287/`
`08:53.42`	`Xuerian`	`Tekkub: You should get your diaper changed.`
`08:54.12`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`ah. yeah, I dunno. I really like the concept behind it, but it'll depend on what powers are available at each level, i guess.`
`08:54.18`	`Corrodias`	`i guess i'll probably play it when the time comes that i have a dx10-capable OS`
`08:54.28`	`Arrowmaster`	`per encounter i like, per day stuff i dont`
`08:54.30`	`Corrodias`	`might be the next windows after vista, who knows`
`08:55.13`	`Xuerian`	`Corrodias: /shrug. I'm probably just going to get a 360 for games like that. It's a platformer at heart anyway. Akward on the pc`
`08:55.14`	`Arrowmaster`	`which is also why i never liked any of the caster classes`
`08:55.15`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Well, per day, as a concept is good, I think. There's just some things you dont want to allow more than once a day`
`08:55.26`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`but yeah, I really hope per-encounter is the main thrust of a lot of classes abilities.`
`08:55.40`	`Arrowmaster`	`except it restricts your campaign`
`08:55.45`	`Xuerian`	`Arrowmaster: Which is why you either play a mage that knows how to use his staff, or you play a very sleepy person`
`08:56.07`	`Corrodias`	`the single-player campaign is combat-heavy, but they let you rest a LOT`
`08:56.10`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Arrowmaster: how so?`
`08:56.31`	`Corrodias`	`throw that much combat at any P&P party and it'd kill them flat.`
`08:57.03`	`Arrowmaster`	`NightHawkTheSane: you cant really have time sensitive objectives and throw in random combat and stuff like that`
`08:57.07`	`Corrodias`	`if the players didn't die of the boredom of rolling dice thousands of times ;)`
`08:57.10`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Corrodias: eh, depends entirely on the game, there's a number of things you can do to adjust a rulesest to allow for more combat with less rest.`
`08:57.27`	`Arrowmaster`	`ive played in very combat heavy campaigns`
`08:57.32`	`Corrodias`	`i guess, you can make up whatever rules you like, that's true`
`08:57.49`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Corrodias: rulebooks are merely guidelines. ;)`
`08:57.51`	`Corrodias`	`i favor mana and/or cooldown limited spellcasting, though`
`08:58.07`	`Arrowmaster`	`we had an epic level one where we went from level 1 to over 40`
`08:58.32`	`Arrowmaster`	`lots of silly shit happens in campaigns like that`
`09:00.02`	`Arrowmaster`	`like starting combat with a deity and while the sorc started unloading his timestop meteor chain combos as his first round i got up and went to the bathroom while he was rolling his 5000 some damage`
`09:00.11`	`Arrowmaster`	`come back and they tell me im dead`
`09:00.54`	`Corrodias`	`how'd that happen?`
`09:01.04`	`Arrowmaster`	`the deity had spell reflection`
`09:01.12`	`Corrodias`	`oops`
`09:01.24`	`Arrowmaster`	`then i made the dm roll my spell resistance`
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`09:01.28`	`Arrowmaster`	`i almost lived`
`09:01.32`	`Arrowmaster`	`just barely`
`09:03.04`	`Arrowmaster`	`lucky it was a heavy combat campaign with a special setting making death at that time not have any penalties`
`09:03.55`	`Corrodias`	`cool`
`09:06.03`	`Zuirk`	`just saw the new Indiana Jones movie.. totally awesome!`
`09:07.53`	`Corrodias`	`i should totally see one of those movies. i've only ever seen 'Last Crusade.`
`09:08.07`	`Zuirk`	`omg .. your missin out.`
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`09:14.59`	`Zuirk`	`is there a way to do a Dump of a variable?`
`09:15.06`	`clad\|rowing`	`~devtools`
`09:15.07`	`purl`	`Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet?`
`09:15.20`	`clad\|rowing`	`download that :P`
`09:15.36`	`Zuirk`	`is purl a bot?`
`09:15.41`	`wereHamster`	`yes`
`09:15.47`	`wereHamster`	`~botsnack`
`09:15.47`	`purl`	`:), wereHamster`
`09:15.52`	`Zuirk`	`heh.`
`09:16.11`	`Zuirk`	`~botsnack`
`09:16.11`	`purl`	`Zuirk: thanks`
`09:16.13`	`Xuerian`	`Purl is a good bot.`
`09:16.14`	`purl`	`Xuerian: :)`
`09:16.14`	`Zuirk`	`lol`
`09:16.26`	`Xuerian`	`Except when she takes credit for everything.`
`09:16.34`	`Zuirk`	`haha`
`09:18.32`	`Fisker-`	`purl is a bad bot`
`09:18.44`	`Fisker-`	`bad bot!`
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`09:19.45`	`Zuirk`	`ok, here is a tricky question.`
`09:20.13`	`Zuirk`	`hrm.. maybe a pastey.net better for this one.`
`09:20.15`	`Zuirk`	`one sec.`
`09:24.17`	`Zuirk`	`http://pastey.net/88318`
`09:24.29`	`Drundia`	`lua> "purl is good bot" and true`
`09:24.47`	`Drundia`	`:\`
`09:24.51`	`Zuirk`	`ok, the question is i'm trying to access a variable that is set inside a funtion that returns the created table / frame.`
`09:25.29`	`Zuirk`	`that variables is rows1 or is it rows.rows1.column1?`
`09:25.34`	`Zuirk`	`i can't seem to find .. it.`
`09:25.59`	`Zuirk`	`i can't tell because of this code.`
`09:26.06`	`Zuirk`	`<PROTECTED>`
`09:26.58`	`Zuirk`	`that should make it accessable via, myTable.rows1.column1 right?`
`09:27.07`	`Nargiddley`	`rows[1]`
`09:27.42`	`Zuirk`	`attempt to index field '?' (a nil value)`
`09:27.54`	`Nargiddley`	`this.rows[1] then`
`09:31.03`	`Zuirk`	`hrm.`
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`09:50.53`	`Zuirk`	`if i have a table rows = {} then i add a row`
`09:51.25`	`Zuirk`	`then i add cells to the row lik this.`
`09:51.36`	`Zuirk`	`row["column1"] = something`
`09:51.58`	`Zuirk`	`then i add the row to the table rows[1] = row`
`09:52.12`	`Arrowmaster`	`--> "test"`
`09:52.12`	`Zuirk`	`how would i access the cell?`
`09:52.12`	`batbot`	`Arrowmaster: > test`
`09:53.06`	`Zuirk`	`i don't understant what you mean Arrow?`
`09:53.13`	`Zuirk`	`i've been trying to test it.. i can't find the column.`
`09:53.15`	`Arrowmaster`	`huh?`
`09:53.25`	`Arrowmaster`	`where in this code is the error`
`09:53.50`	`Zuirk`	`well that was kinda psuedo.`
`09:53.58`	`Zuirk`	`the actual code is at http://pastey.net/88318`
`09:54.05`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah im looking at that`
`09:54.10`	`Arrowmaster`	`and i do see a lot of errors`
`09:54.11`	`Xuerian`	`zurk, why not use a nested table instead of row["column1"] etc.... rows[1][1], rows[1][2], etc.`
`09:54.11`	`Nargiddley`	`table.rows[1].column1`
`09:54.36`	`Arrowmaster`	`--> type(1) == "Number"`
`09:54.37`	`batbot`	`Arrowmaster: > false`
`09:54.45`	`Zuirk`	`yeah.. i fixed that one.`
`09:54.46`	`Arrowmaster`	`type({}) == "Table"`
`09:54.57`	`Zuirk`	`i fixed those already.`
`09:55.03`	`Zuirk`	`they now work properly.`
`09:55.14`	`Zuirk`	`cuz it had to be lowercase.`
`09:55.24`	`Arrowmaster`	`and its "nil" not nil`
`09:55.34`	`Arrowmaster`	`but which line of code gives you the error?`
`09:55.39`	`Zuirk`	`awh.. kk.. yeah i'll fix that too..`
`09:55.49`	`Zuirk`	`in the pastey.. 13`
`09:56.18`	`Arrowmaster`	`oh`
`09:56.21`	`Arrowmaster`	`this makes sense`
`09:56.23`	`Zuirk`	`i can't figure out how to get the column / row combo`
`09:56.31`	`Arrowmaster`	`your calling the functions before you define them`
`09:56.32`	`Zuirk`	`i've tried these.`
`09:56.47`	`Zuirk`	`no no.. i just pasted it like that in the pastey`
`09:56.59`	`Arrowmaster`	`oh`
`09:57.21`	`Zuirk`	`i have all this loaded and i've been running the "USAGE" part in wowlua`
`09:57.27`	`Zuirk`	`to try to get it all working right.`
`09:58.09`	`Zuirk`	`the ordeal is that #myTable.rows returns 1`
`09:58.13`	`Zuirk`	`because there is 1 row.`
`09:58.30`	`Zuirk`	`but i can't see the 4 columns that are created in that row equaling cells.`
`09:58.37`	`Zuirk`	`each cell is a frame.`
`09:58.47`	`Zuirk`	`in which i need to be able to put whatever i want in it.`
`09:59.25`	`Zuirk`	`and Xuerian: the answer is .. i don't know why.`
`10:00.08`	`Xuerian`	`you also don't have to use the whole add as current keys + one deal, table.insert(table, value) exists for a reason`
`10:00.34`	`Zuirk`	`awh.. heh.. yeah.. that might be useful. :)`
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`10:01.08`	`Xuerian`	`http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#5.5`
`10:01.09`	`Zuirk`	`so like this table.insert(this.rows, row)?`
`10:01.30`	`Xuerian`	`yes`
`10:02.05`	`Xuerian`	`I'd also suggest whenever you need to repeatedly access the same key in a table, so long as that key itself is a table (a frame is a table, technically), shunt it into a local reference`
`10:02.12`	`Nargiddley`	`what do you mean by can't see the 4 columns ?`
`10:02.44`	`Arrowmaster`	`zurik: your never setting myTable.rows1 from what i can see`
`10:03.18`	`Arrowmaster`	`maybe you meant myTable.rows[1]`
`10:03.41`	`Zuirk`	`sure i am. rows1 would be on line 92 of pastey wouldn't it?`
`10:03.49`	`Arrowmaster`	`no`
`10:03.50`	`Zuirk`	`i'm setting the row table into it.`
`10:03.51`	`Nargiddley`	`no`
`10:04.00`	`Xuerian`	`13 calls rows1`
`10:04.03`	`Nargiddley`	`myTables.rows[1] is what you set there`
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`10:04.09`	`Arrowmaster`	`you need to read the pil`
`10:04.18`	`Xuerian`	`^`
`10:04.25`	`frop`	`lo`
`10:04.41`	`Zuirk`	`lol.. i've tried that already Arrow.`
`10:04.58`	`frop`	`anyone using RBM know if it's possible filter "transfering" bars?`
`10:05.06`	`Zuirk`	`i've tried myTable.rows[1].column[1] etc..`
`10:05.22`	`Arrowmaster`	`myTable.rows[1].column1`
`10:05.35`	`Zuirk`	`i've tried that too.`
`10:05.39`	`Arrowmaster`	`that should work`
`10:05.45`	`Zuirk`	`yeah i thought so.`
`10:05.59`	`Zuirk`	`one sec.. i'll give you the error with myTable.rows[1].column1`
`10:06.16`	`Industrial`	`lol this guy`
`10:06.23`	`Industrial`	`"Stop fapping all my mobs!"`
`10:06.25`	`Industrial`	`hilarious.`
`10:07.11`	`Zuirk`	`one sec.. i have to /rl`
`10:09.03`	`Zuirk`	`ok.. i'm going to just wack myself over the head on this one.. because i know i tried that before.`
`10:09.15`	`Zuirk`	`and now it's working because your jedi mind tricks.`
`10:09.26`	`Xuerian`	`...`
`10:09.41`	`Zuirk`	`maybe it was the table.insert thing.`
`10:09.44`	`Xuerian`	`If you name a key "column"...idx, where idx=1, you access it with table.column1`
`10:09.48`	`Zuirk`	`that's the only thing i changed`
`10:10.12`	`Xuerian`	`it won't magically be in column[1], since that's pretending column is a subtable of the parent table and has keys`
`10:10.34`	`Zuirk`	`yeah, that's what i thought Xuerian.. but i initially tried that.. and it didn't work.. i only went to column[1] in desperation lol`
`10:10.34`	`Xuerian`	`http://pastey.net/88320`
`10:10.43`	`Xuerian`	`read the CreateTable function now`
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`10:11.29`	`Xuerian`	`egh 52 is missing a :, but you get the idea`
`10:11.36`	`Xuerian`	`is late here`
`10:11.37`	`Zuirk`	`k.. reading.`
`10:11.41`	`Xuerian`	`well early technically`
`10:11.53`	`Xuerian`	`Sunny outside...`
`10:12.09`	`Xuerian`	`Bed time. Stop using so many damn tables`
`10:12.12`	`Xuerian`	`and concatenations`
`10:12.37`	`Zuirk`	`hrm.. yeah, i like this.. much cleaner!`
`10:12.45`	`Zuirk`	`thanks & good night :)`
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`10:20.52`	`wereHamster`	`this.rows[#this.rows + 1]= row`
`10:20.57`	`wereHamster`	`why not table.insert() ?`
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`10:21.08`	`[sync]`	`elllo`
`10:21.24`	`foxlit`	`why table.insert()? :)`
`10:21.34`	`[sync]`	`yay smeone here :D`
`10:21.57`	`[sync]`	`any got any advice on an inspect mod? aside from -examiner-?`
`10:21.57`	`[sync]`	`thanks`
`10:21.58`	`wereHamster`	`why not?`
`10:22.10`	`Snago`	`this.rows[#this.rows + 1]= row is faster`
`10:22.14`	`foxlit`	`it's a function, ew!`
`10:22.28`	`wereHamster`	`so what's table.insert for then? it's essentially useless`
`10:22.52`	`Snago`	`it was usefull when we didn't have the #`
`10:23.02`	`foxlit`	`Snago: then you had t.n`
`10:23.11`	`foxlit`	`So no, not really`
`10:23.29`	`wereHamster`	`so it was useless back in the old days as well...`
`10:23.38`	`wereHamster`	`but everyone used it`
`10:24.03`	`Snago`	`but table.insert can also insert stuff in the middle iirc`
`10:24.26`	`foxlit`	`That's generally true; it shifts the portion of the array to the right if you need that`
`10:25.30`	`foxlit`	`strike the generally :)`
`10:34.38`	`[sync]`	`..`
`10:34.49`	`[sync]`	`anyone help me?`
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`10:36.54`	`wereHamster`	`did you ask google?`
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`10:40.30`	`Kaso`	`grr whats wrong with my DVD writer`
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`10:40.46`	`Kaso`	`~lart Kaso's DVD writer`
`10:40.46`	`purl`	`does a little 'renice 20 -u Kaso's DVD writer'`
`10:41.46`	`Kaso`	`Good job purl, that's just going to make it work worse!`
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`10:54.58`	`[sync]`	`>.<`
`10:59.18`	`[sync]`	`lol`
`10:59.19`	`[sync]`	`haha`
`10:59.31`	`[sync]`	`do you have any suggestions on inspect addons?`
`11:02.10`	`Snago`	`[sync]: what do you need an addon for?`
`11:08.09`	`[sync]`	`:D`
`11:08.18`	`[sync]`	`I need an addon for inspecting other players`
`11:08.34`	`[sync]`	`currently Examiner works, but it doesnt give the right amount of +spell dmg for instance`
`11:08.36`	`[sync]`	`or AP etc`
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`11:15.56`	`Lukian`	`[sync], wowequip?`
`11:16.07`	`Lukian`	`you might also want to consider itemvalue`
`11:16.22`	`Lukian`	`(but you'll have to write your own "formulas" for what you want to see)`
`11:16.28`	`Drundia`	`foxlit, Snago, wereHamster, t[#t+1]=x was actually slower than tinsert(t,x) last time we tested it here.`
`11:17.02`	`Kaso`	`Wait, no im sure thats wrong Drundia`
`11:17.16`	`Kaso`	`im sure i ran a speed test on that and it came out the other way`
`11:17.36`	`Drundia`	`i don't know`
`11:17.41`	`Drundia`	`maybe 10% difference or so`
`11:17.47`	`Kaso`	`lemme check my logs`
`11:18.41`	`Drundia`	`but for example a.b[#a.b+1]=x would get slower than tinsert(a.b,x) because of extra lookups in former unless i miss something`
`11:19.12`	`Xinhuan`	`if you keep a counter variable, then that's probably the fastest`
`11:20.28`	`Kaso`	`oh, actually i stand corrected, it was tinsert which was faster`
`11:27.08`	`foxlit`	`Drundia: was table.insert versus t[#t+1]; table.insert is about 30% slower.`
`11:29.04`	`foxlit`	`Making table.insert local saved a table lookup, which makes it somewhat bearable, but without going into nested tables, still slower.`
`11:30.44`	`foxlit`	`And Xin is of course right; if you can avoid #t, you save quite a bit of time`
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`11:34.24`	`Kaso`	`tinsert =3.281`
`11:34.24`	`Kaso`	`table.insert =3.594`
`11:34.24`	`Kaso`	`local table.insert =3.36`
`11:34.24`	`Kaso`	`t[#t+1] =3.312`
`11:34.24`	`Kaso`	`t[j] =2.078`
`11:34.37`	`Arrowmaster`	`wtf`
`11:34.38`	`Kaso`	`Thats what i just got adding 10million strings to a table`
`11:34.45`	`Arrowmaster`	`thats not possible`
`11:34.57`	`Arrowmaster`	`how can tinsert be faster than local table_insert`
`11:35.34`	`Kaso`	`due to experiment margins of error`
`11:35.52`	`Kaso`	`tinsert =3.5`
`11:35.52`	`Kaso`	`table.insert =3.719`
`11:35.52`	`Kaso`	`local table.insert =3.265`
`11:35.55`	`Kaso`	`on second run through`
`11:36.14`	`Arrowmaster`	`which is exactly as expected`
`11:36.22`	`Arrowmaster`	`local fastest, and global table lookup slowest`
`11:36.36`	`Xinhuan`	`you didn't mention if tinsert, or table.insert is localed`
`11:36.53`	`Kaso`	`http://pastey.net/88326`
`11:37.10`	`Kaso`	`tinsert is a global refernce, table_insert is a local`
`11:37.22`	`Kaso`	`but basically this shows that the margins arent that huge`
`11:37.48`	`Kaso`	`the only one thats significantly faster is keeping a local length variable as was said before`
`11:38.09`	`Xinhuan`	`add another test`
`11:38.24`	`Xinhuan`	`instead of keeping a separate variable counter, use t.count as the counter`
`11:38.31`	`Xinhuan`	`and increment t.count`
`11:38.46`	`Arrowmaster`	`it will be slower`
`11:38.58`	`Xinhuan`	`of course, but how much slower is the question`
`11:40.13`	`Kaso`	`http://pastey.net/88327 updated code and results`
`11:40.31`	`Kaso`	`faster than #t+1 slower than local value`
`11:41.27`	`Xinhuan`	`yep i kinda expected that, just wondering if the t.count method is closer to the local counter method or closer to the tinsert method`
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`11:44.08`	`[sync]`	`luk`
`11:44.13`	`[sync]`	`Thank you luk`
`11:44.19`	`Kaso`	`i wish lua had ++ >.<`
`11:44.54`	`[sync]`	`ldamit`
`11:45.06`	`[sync]`	`do you have any suggestions on inspect addons?`
`11:45.06`	`Xinhuan`	`what [sync]?`
`11:45.18`	`[sync]`	`luk suggested wowequip`
`11:45.21`	`[sync]`	`its not an addon =.`
`11:45.23`	`[sync]`	`=.=`
`11:45.28`	`Arrowmaster`	`yes it is`
`11:45.31`	`Xinhuan`	`i'm sure it is`
`11:45.41`	`Xinhuan`	`http://files.wowace.com/WoWEquip/`
`11:46.28`	`Xinhuan`	`if all you want is just an inspect addon, you can try umm... SpyGlass`
`11:46.37`	`Xinhuan`	`WoWEquip does, quite a bit more than SpyGlass`
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`11:47.20`	`Xinhuan`	`or try both and see what you like`
`11:47.30`	`[sync]`	`:o`
`11:47.32`	`[sync]`	`thanks`
`11:47.42`	`[sync]`	`sooo`
`11:47.48`	`[sync]`	`what features does it have`
`11:48.07`	`Xinhuan`	`http://www.wowace.com/wiki/WoWEquip`
`11:48.10`	`[sync]`	`lol`
`11:48.16`	`[sync]`	`i was just about to type that out`
`11:48.19`	`[sync]`	`i swear`
`11:48.39`	`Xinhuan`	`SpyGlass has no features, it is just a pure inspect addon that has the same summary of equipment stats`
`11:49.00`	`Xinhuan`	`both wowequip and spyglass uses the same backend, LibItemBonus-2.0`
`11:49.24`	`[sync]`	`ah..`
`11:49.33`	`[sync]`	`http://www.wowace.com/wiki/SpyGlass`
`11:49.34`	`[sync]`	`?`
`11:49.37`	`[sync]`	`no page`
`11:49.54`	`Xinhuan`	`few addons have a wiki page`
`11:49.57`	`[sync]`	`:O`
`11:50.04`	`[sync]`	`http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Spyglass`
`11:50.04`	`[sync]`	`works`
`11:50.05`	`[sync]`	`wtf?`
`11:50.08`	`[sync]`	`G = g?`
`11:50.17`	`Xinhuan`	`they only have one if the author, or a user cared to make one`
`11:50.48`	`Xinhuan`	`the spyglass wiki entry is made by the author bejitt`
`11:50.58`	`Xinhuan`	`the wowequip wiki entry, i think its made by Lukian`
`11:53.04`	`[sync]`	`thanks`
`11:53.05`	`[sync]`	`:O`
`11:53.12`	`[sync]`	`Luk made Wowequip?`
`11:53.19`	`Xinhuan`	`no, i did`
`11:55.34`	`[sync]`	`....`
`11:55.35`	`[sync]`	`PROOOO`
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`12:07.13`	`[sync]`	`mm`
`12:07.16`	`[sync]`	`whats CT_RaidAssist do?`
`12:10.05`	`Xinhuan`	`raid frame addon`
`12:10.41`	`Xinhuan`	`a raidframe is a clickable button that targets a person in your raid, usually displays health and mana bars`
`12:11.35`	`[sync]`	`thankjs`
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`12:31.43`	`mattes`	`hello, i'am trying to inspect the pressed key modifiers in an OnUpdated event but do not find the appropriated API, any hints plz ,`
`12:38.34`	`JoshBorke`	`mattes: as in Ctrl, Alt, Shift?`
`12:38.42`	`mattes`	`yep`
`12:39.34`	`mattes`	`GetModifiedClick applies only for clicks, but i want to inspect the modifiers during a drag action`
`12:39.45`	`JoshBorke`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API#Binding_Functions`
`12:45.58`	`mattes`	`ok, so IsModifiedClick("action") indicates if a modifier is pressed, but how to find out witch one ?`
`12:46.24`	`mattes`	`ist return 1 for CTRL, SHIFT and ALT`
`12:48.13`	`foxlit`	`IsShiftKeyDown, IsAltKeyDown, IsControlKeyDown... blah blah blah`
`12:49.32`	`mattes`	`thank you very much and sorry for this bad questions, just starting with addon dev and very new to all this stuff`
`12:49.50`	`mattes`	`that's what i was looking for, thx foxlit`
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`14:06.18`	`TempalShiran`	`Can anyone inform me on how to setup oPanel?`
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`14:12.15`	`Nechckn`	`jeeezzz I was looking up oPanel to help, darnit!`
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`14:14.59`	`TempalShiran`	`sorry, does anyone know a guide for it or anything?`
`14:16.02`	`haste`	`TempalShiran: there really isn't much setup to do`
`14:16.35`	`TempalShiran`	`i want to add other frames to it`
`14:16.43`	`TempalShiran`	`but it just takes my chat frames right now`
`14:17.33`	`haste`	`then you have to make a small add-on to do it for you`
`14:18.32`	`TempalShiran`	`are there any already made for stuff like that? I don't know LUA`
`14:18.56`	`haste`	`what frame do you want to anchor on the panel?`
`14:19.51`	`TempalShiran`	`I want to put swstats and omen in the top so i can look at them only when raiding`
`14:20.17`	`haste`	`in the top? as above the panel?`
`14:20.25`	`Industrial`	`you could just close the windows, and open them when you are going to raid :P`
`14:21.14`	`TempalShiran`	`in a panel on the top`
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`14:21.49`	`TempalShiran`	`omen never disables properly for me Industrial`
`14:21.51`	`Industrial`	`TempalShiran: oPanel was made for hiding the chatframes. It has no configuration and only makes 1 frame`
`14:22.05`	`Industrial`	`panel*`
`14:23.30`	`TempalShiran`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCk4BtoLnUA kind of like what he did only not so full`
`14:25.12`	`Industrial`	`well, he programmed it himself :P`
`14:26.19`	`TempalShiran`	`Okay thanks for your time`
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`14:44.19`	`Shirik`	`do we have access to debug.sethook (by another name) in WoW?`
`14:44.39`	`Industrial`	`theres a debug. :P?`
`14:44.55`	`Shirik`	`not in WoW`
`14:45.05`	`Shirik`	`but in vanilla Lua there is`
`14:45.10`	`Shirik`	`--> for k,v in pairs(debug) do print(k) end`
`14:45.11`	`batbot`	`Shirik: getupvalueshareupvaluesethookgetmetatablegethooksetmetatablesetlocaltracebacksetfenvgetinfosetupvaluegetlocalgetfenv`
`14:45.14`	`Shirik`	`eh`
`14:45.23`	`Shirik`	`--> for k,v in pairs(debug) do print(k..", ") end`
`14:45.24`	`batbot`	`Shirik: getupvalue, shareupvalue, sethook, getmetatable, gethook, setmetatable, setlocal, traceback, setfenv, getinfo, setupvalue, getlocal, getfenv,`
`14:45.25`	`Industrial`	`looking at it`
`14:45.27`	`Drundia`	`in wow it's nil`
`14:45.34`	`Drundia`	`so we are very poor`
`14:45.34`	`Shirik`	`yes but we have access to certain things`
`14:45.47`	`Shirik`	`such as debugstack`
`14:45.55`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Shirik! Ping!`
`14:45.56`	`Shirik`	`which (was) just debug.traceback`
`14:45.59`	`Shirik`	`<3 Lopeppeppy`
`14:46.14`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Morning, dear. You should never told me your computer makes noises for me. :)`
`14:46.21`	`Fisker-`	`~debug.failrik`
`14:46.22`	`Shirik`	`haha`
`14:47.21`	`Drundia`	`i believe debug.failrik() would be like error("FAIL Shirik FAIL");`
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`14:47.33`	`Fisker-`	`yeah`
`14:48.02`	`Fisker-`	`~failrik`
`14:48.03`	`purl`	`FAIL, Shirik, FAIL!`
`14:48.10`	`Fisker-`	`purl debug.failrik() is error("FAIL, Shirik, FAIL!");`
`14:48.10`	`purl`	`Fisker-: okay`
`14:48.15`	`Fisker-`	`~debug.failrik()`
`14:48.16`	`purl`	`rumour has it, debug.failrik() is error("FAIL, Shirik, FAIL!");`
`14:48.27`	`Fisker-`	`purl no debug.failrik() is <reply>error("FAIL, Shirik, FAIL!");`
`14:48.28`	`purl`	`okay, Fisker-`
`14:48.37`	`Fisker-`	`~debug.failrik()`
`14:48.40`	`purl`	`error("FAIL, Shirik, FAIL!");`
`14:48.44`	`Fisker-`	`i am having fun`
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`14:49.17`	`Fisker-`	`i am having madness`
`14:49.47`	`Fisker-`	`why does VS2008 require 157MB of space on a harddrive that has nothing to do with it? :(`
`14:49.55`	`Drundia`	`or it could be like !lua print() that thing`
`14:49.55`	`Shirik`	`yeah I don't get that either`
`14:50.00`	`Shirik`	`I think it's the debug DLLs that it's installing`
`14:50.08`	`Shirik`	`for the SDK`
`14:50.16`	`Fisker-`	`but why this drive that i'm not using for anything?`
`14:50.24`	`Shirik`	`windows isn't installed on it?`
`14:50.26`	`Fisker-`	`no`
`14:50.31`	`Fisker-`	`neither is VS`
`14:50.33`	`Shirik`	`eh, then I don't have a good answer for you`
`14:50.40`	`Fisker-`	`pretty odd :o`
`14:50.44`	`Shirik`	`For me it did install to two drives as well, but I wanted it in D and it put some in C`
`14:50.52`	`Shirik`	`and I assumed it was the DLLs going to the windows drive`
`14:51.44`	`Fisker-`	`i don't get c++ btw ;_;`
`14:51.52`	`Fisker-`	`just looks like C# with a different syntax`
`14:52.18`	`Shirik`	`uh`
`14:52.26`	`Shirik`	`C# is C++ with a different syntax fool`
`14:52.37`	`Fisker-`	`yeah yeah`
`14:52.47`	`Shirik`	`but C++ is better :P`
`14:52.54`	`Fisker-`	`19th century probably just copied the 20th century`
`14:52.55`	`Fisker-`	`etc.`
`15:00.03`	`Drundia`	`i don't get C#, never did anything with it really`
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`15:02.54`	`Shirik`	`ok I've been so pissed that Lua can't do this for loop quickly`
`15:03.10`	`Shirik`	`and I finally realized I have a DevTools_Dump that's being called somewhere on the order of 100000 times in it`
`15:03.11`	`Cide`	`which?`
`15:03.19`	`Cide`	`way to go`
`15:03.32`	`Cide`	`DT_Dump isn't exactly fast :P`
`15:03.32`	`Shirik`	`I was all like "it's just integration, it shouldn't be that hard"`
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`15:04.41`	`Shirik`	`that was odd`
`15:04.50`	`Drundia`	`which for loop?`
`15:04.54`	`Shirik`	`mine`
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`15:07.44`	`hjaca`	`~lart ckknight`
`15:07.44`	`purl`	`whips out his power stapler and staples ckknight's foot to the floor`
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`15:07.54`	`zeznluih`	`~lart ckknight`
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`15:08.02`	`wywzfqtqsax`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`15:08.04`	`cnoxfx`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`15:08.04`	`wywzfqtqsax`	`~lart ckknight`
`15:08.04`	`purl`	`flings poo at ckknight`
`15:08.05`	`zeznluih`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`15:08.06`	`wywzfqtqsax`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`15:08.06`	`*** join/#wowuidev batbot (n=batbot@c-68-35-67-18.hsd1.nm.comcast.net)`
`15:08.08`	`Drundia`	`omg again`
`15:08.09`	`zeznluih`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`15:08.37`	`*** join/#wowuidev kloeri (i=kloeri@freenode/staff/exherbo.kloeri)`
`15:08.52`	`Drundia`	`any idea what do they have against ckknight?`
`15:09.58`	`*** join/#wowuidev tomaw_ (i=tom@freenode/staff/tomaw)`
`15:13.22`	`Cide`	`no, but it's getting pretty old`
`15:13.31`	`Cide`	`hey kloeri, tomaw_`
`15:13.37`	`kloeri`	`hi Cide`
`15:16.06`	`tomaw_`	`hullo`
`15:21.01`	`MoonWolf`	`well ckknight can be a bit of an ass every now and then`
`15:21.11`	`MoonWolf`	`but i don' t think he ever did something deserving of this.`
`15:21.55`	`durcyn`	`some spammer got pissed off that Funkeh wrote BadBoy, ckknight banned him from #wowace once or twice iirc`
`15:22.16`	`Shirik`	`oh wow, they're doing it again today?`
`15:22.21`	`Shirik`	`Lopeppeppy you're supposed to ping me!`
`15:22.24`	`durcyn`	`it's been going on for weeks`
`15:22.32`	`Shirik`	`really? I hadn't noticed it until yesterday`
`15:22.39`	`Shirik`	`unless it's only been in #wowace, I don't watch that channel enough`
`15:22.56`	`durcyn`	`that's where it originated, yes`
`15:24.49`	`Industrial`	`rofl`
`15:25.04`	`Industrial`	`shows the maturity and intelligence of these people that spam ingame`
`15:25.26`	`Shirik`	`Drundia, the story goes like this (in theory)`
`15:25.54`	`Shirik`	Funkeh` pissed off spammers by writing BadBoy which deals with them. So they went to #wowace and started messing with him. ckknight told them to quit it, so now they're messing with him instead.
`15:26.22`	`Shirik`	`or so I have been told`
`15:27.32`	`Shirik`	`you know, Blizzard should just stick a bot in here to watch all of the IPs that get k-lined in this channel and #wowace, then pass them off to their team`
`15:27.50`	`*** join/#wowuidev idolby (n=idolby@MMOI/Administrator/Dolby)`
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`15:27.56`	`Shirik`	`that would be awesome :)`
`15:29.17`	`Shirik`	`oops. I thought I was only integrating from -10 gold to 10k gold.... instead I'm doing -1000 gold to 1M gold`
`15:29.18`	`Drundia`	`so how does BadBoy deal with spammers?`
`15:29.31`	`Shirik`	`that's half the reason it's slow >.>`
`15:29.35`	`Industrial`	`http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/BadBoy/`
`15:30.07`	`Drundia`	`looks pretty cool`
`15:30.30`	`Drundia`	`and why doesn't blizzard make a similar filter...`
`15:30.47`	`Snago`	`hehe, all his spam does is getting more ppl aware of the awesomeness of BadBoy :D`
`15:31.24`	`Industrial`	`yeah, just drop anyone instantly that spams and put them in a blacklist to deny their connections`
`15:31.43`	`Industrial`	`they will run out of ip's soon enough`
`15:31.43`	`zenzelezz`	`see Shirik, you hurt her feelings`
`15:31.43`	`Shirik`	`:(`
`15:32.46`	`Drundia`	`does it work better than similar addons?`
`15:32.58`	`Drundia`	`what do similar addons do anyway? like spammenot`
`15:33.07`	`Industrial`	`similar things`
`15:33.11`	`Industrial`	`badook tisch`
`15:33.17`	`Industrial`	`badoom, even`
`15:34.57`	`Drundia`	`on the other hand if you want to buy gold you can just look into that file. hahaha.`
`15:36.22`	`Drundia`	`so everyone should be happy :)`
`15:36.34`	`Intangir`	`hey`
`15:36.42`	`Intangir`	`how do i extract all the new blizzard addon scripts?`
`15:36.52`	`Drundia`	`~wdn`
`15:36.53`	`purl`	`World of Warcraft Developer Network, a website where you can see the changes made to WoW's interface files between versions and also where you can download said versions. http://wdn.wowinterface.com/`
`15:36.57`	`Snago`	`~framexml`
`15:36.58`	`purl`	`Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ or view it online at http://wowcompares.com/`
`15:41.02`	`Intangir`	`yep thats it, thx`
`15:42.08`	`Intangir`	`it seems like the battlefield minimap defaults to narrow with no addons, but yet capping keeps setting it wide..`
`15:42.14`	`Intangir`	`and i dont know how to set it back unless im in a BG`
`15:42.21`	`Intangir`	`capping assumes its only for BGs`
`15:42.27`	`Intangir`	`and sets it back to wide after BG is over..`
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`15:42.49`	`*** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Iriel] by ChanServ`
`15:43.32`	`Fisker-`	`tickle-me-Shirik`
`15:43.38`	`Shirik`	`no that's ok`
`15:48.13`	`*** join/#wowuidev sioraiocht (n=rtharper@sann177037.st-annes.ox.ac.uk)`
`15:48.41`	`Shirik`	`lua> t = {1}; table.insert(t, nil); table.insert(t, nil); table.insert(t, 4); pp(t)`
`15:48.52`	`Shirik`	`>>> t = {1}; table.insert(t, nil); table.insert(t, nil); table.insert(t, 4); return t;`
`15:48.53`	`Cide`	`Shirik: { 1, 4 } (#1)`
`15:50.11`	`Drundia`	`i believe #t definition was that t[#t] always has to be non-nil`
`15:50.34`	`Shirik`	`that wasn't really my worry`
`15:50.47`	`Shirik`	`I was more worried that table.insert(t, nil) would complain about parameter 2 being nil`
`15:51.01`	`Drundia`	`oh that`
`15:51.23`	`Iriel`	`t[#t] is non-nil (unless it's zero) and t[#t+1] is nil`
`15:52.38`	`Iriel`	`though #t can be any positive integer which satisfies that condition`
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`16:06.42`	`*** join/#wowuidev xw (n=guaaerg@200.153.93.186)`
`16:06.42`	`xw`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`16:06.42`	`xw`	`~lart ckknight`
`16:06.42`	`purl`	`slaps ckknight around with a large trout`
`16:06.42`	`xw`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`16:06.44`	`*** join/#wowuidev vmrqmfbxuhr (n=bjzmvcuq@210.187.20.46)`
`16:06.44`	`vmrqmfbxuhr`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`16:06.44`	`vmrqmfbxuhr`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`16:06.44`	`*** join/#wowuidev gau (n=zo@210.212.185.9)`
`16:06.44`	`gau`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`16:06.44`	`gau`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`16:06.45`	`xw`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`16:06.46`	`*** join/#wowuidev grjucxtcqgj (n=hbisfct@203.77.108.252)`
`16:06.46`	`grjucxtcqgj`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`16:06.46`	`grjucxtcqgj`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`16:06.48`	`gau`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`16:06.49`	`xw`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`16:06.51`	`gau`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`16:06.53`	`xw`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`16:06.53`	`gau`	`~lart ckknight`
`16:06.53`	`purl`	`whacks ckknight upside the head`
`16:06.56`	`gau`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`16:06.56`	`*** mode/#WoWUIDev [+b !@210.212.185.9] by dolby`
`16:06.56`	`*** kick/#WoWUIDev [gau!n=Dolby@MMOI/Administrator/Dolby] by dolby (dolby)`
`16:07.16`	`*** join/#wowuidev nqunbenuw (n=cff@mail.pcs1.net)`
`16:07.16`	`nqunbenuw`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`16:07.16`	`nqunbenuw`	`~lart ckknight`
`16:07.16`	`purl`	`does a little 'dpkg -P ckknight' action`
`16:07.16`	`nqunbenuw`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`16:07.19`	`nqunbenuw`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`16:07.20`	`*** mode/#WoWUIDev [+b !@mail.pcs1.net] by dolby`
`16:07.20`	`*** kick/#WoWUIDev [nqunbenuw!n=Dolby@MMOI/Administrator/Dolby] by dolby (dolby)`
`16:07.37`	`*** join/#wowuidev Shirik (i=nospam@151.sub-70-208-115.myvzw.com)`
`16:09.03`	`haste`	`ckknight is so populare these days`
`16:10.55`	`Drundia`	`just make some bot auto-ban them`
`16:10.57`	`*** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ`
`16:11.04`	`Shirik`	`I grow nervous around doing that`
`16:11.35`	`Drundia`	`what does "dpkg -P"?`
`16:12.26`	`Shirik`	`package purge`
`16:13.12`	Funkeh`	`is it just me or is he running out of bots`
`16:13.35`	`Shirik`	`well you see, the internet is a series of tubes`
`16:13.44`	Funkeh`	`:)`
`16:13.53`	`Shirik`	`and now that freenode is shoving emails in all of them, they get all clogged up so anything he sends won't get here until tuesday`
`16:14.18`	Funkeh`	`truck oic`
`16:14.21`	`*** mode/#WoWUIDev [+b !@203.77.108.252] by dolby`
`16:14.23`	Funkeh`	`pic`
`16:14.52`	`*** join/#wowuidev Legorol (n=legorol@83.219.117.144)`
`16:14.52`	`*** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Legorol] by ChanServ`
`16:15.34`	`*** mode/#WoWUIDev [+b !@200.153.93.186] by dolby`
`16:15.40`	`Shirik`	`I really should set up a ban script for that lua line he keeps executing though`
`16:16.11`	`*** mode/#WoWUIDev [+b !@210.187.20.46] by dolby`
`16:18.08`	`*** join/#wowuidev cncfanatics (i=50c97938@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c3fda213f9fe5237)`
`16:18.38`	`Matrix110`	`ye just set it on lua> "`
`16:18.43`	`Matrix110`	`everyone who does it fails:P`
`16:18.48`	`Drundia`	`haha`
`16:19.20`	`Drundia`	`he'll use [[]] strings then`
`16:19.30`	`wereHamster`	`no, he's not that smart :)`
`16:19.31`	`Drundia`	`or ''`
`16:20.49`	`*** join/#wowuidev Shirik (i=nospam@151.sub-70-208-115.myvzw.com)`
`16:20.55`	`*** join/#wowuidev Shirik\|Ghost (i=nospam@151.sub-70-208-115.myvzw.com)`
`16:21.09`	`*** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ`
`16:21.53`	`Shirik`	`hopefully freenode doesn't k-line me when I test this.... and sorry in advance ckknight!`
`16:22.19`	`Shirik\|Ghost`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`16:22.20`	`*** mode/#WoWUIDev [+b Shirik\|Ghost!@] by Shirik`
`16:22.31`	`Shirik`	`eh, that's not right :/`
`16:22.38`	`Shirik`	`close enough for now though`
`16:22.54`	`*** mode/#WoWUIDev [-b Shirik\|Ghost!@] by Shirik`
`16:23.06`	`dolby`	`need to kick too`
`16:25.40`	`Corey`	`you using mIRC for that Shirik?`
`16:25.52`	`Shirik`	`a modified mirc, but yes`
`16:26.26`	`Corey`	`Shirik try ban -k $nick 2 spam for the ban`
`16:26.39`	`*** join/#wowuidev Lopeppeppy (n=Lopeppep@cpe-72-230-38-163.nycap.res.rr.com)`
`16:26.39`	`*** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Lopeppeppy] by ChanServ`
`16:26.48`	`Shirik`	`I was going to do ban -k $site($nick)`
`16:27.06`	`Corey`	`2 does that`
`16:27.11`	`Shirik`	`ah`
`16:28.01`	`Shirik`	`actually I was using /mode`
`16:29.02`	`Corey`	`ban -k $chan $nick 2 spam should go fine`
`16:31.31`	`*** part/#wowuidev Lopeppeppy (n=Lopeppep@cpe-72-230-38-163.nycap.res.rr.com)`
`16:31.57`	`Dezzimal`	`Anyone here use stasiscl? I'm trying to figure out how to bandage my www-history directory. The only file created in there by running the history function is data.xml`
`16:32.11`	`Dezzimal`	`and I'm not sure what else needs to be there for it to work`
`16:32.25`	`Matrix110`	`test`
`16:32.32`	`Matrix110`	`lua> "`
`16:32.36`	`Matrix110`	`fail!`
`16:32.46`	`Cide`	`lua_bot isn't in here.`
`16:32.49`	`Cide`	`use >>> imo`
`16:33.00`	`Shirik`	`I wonder how long kick messages can be`
`16:33.04`	`Shirik`	`this should be amusing`
`16:33.30`	`*** join/#wowuidev Shirik (i=nospam@151.sub-70-208-115.myvzw.com)`
`16:33.55`	`Shirik`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`16:33.56`	`*** mode/#WoWUIDev [+b !@151.sub-70-208-115.myvzw.com] by Shirik\|Ghost`
`16:33.56`	`*** kick/#wowuidev [Shirik!i=nospam@151.sub-70-208-115.myvzw.com] by Shirik\|Ghost (Have a good day, and remember, BadBoy is available at wowinterface.com, wowace.com, and curse.com!)`
`16:34.08`	`dolby`	`hahahaha`
`16:34.09`	`*** mode/#WoWUIDev [-b !@151.sub-70-208-115.myvzw.com] by Shirik\|Ghost`
`16:34.11`	`Shirik\|Ghost`	`perfect`
`16:34.26`	`Cide`	`why ban if you immediately remove it? :P`
`16:34.33`	`Shirik`	`... I remove it from myself`
`16:34.39`	`Matrix110`	`is it only banning on that line?`
`16:34.44`	`Cide`	`ah, as long as you don't do that to the bots`
`16:34.47`	`Shirik`	`no :P`
`16:34.50`	`Matrix110`	`kk`
`16:34.55`	`Shirik`	`yes Matrix110 it does`
`16:34.58`	`Shirik`	`but for now that's all they've done`
`16:35.03`	`Shirik`	`I don't want to risk falsely banning people`
`16:35.11`	`Kaso`	`i said last night "i wonder why noone has written a bot to auto ban that spammer yet?"`
`16:35.13`	`Kaso`	`and now!`
`16:35.33`	`Drundia`	`i said it too just before a script was done`
`16:35.36`	`Matrix110`	`in #wowace the bots changed their line everytime they joined again`
`16:35.49`	`Shirik`	`welp, I'm not an op in #wowace :)`
`16:35.58`	`*** join/#wowuidev Lopeppeppy (n=Lopeppep@cpe-72-230-38-163.nycap.res.rr.com)`
`16:35.59`	`*** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Lopeppeppy] by ChanServ`
`16:36.03`	`Matrix110`	`well i ment that they will do the same here:P`
`16:36.10`	`Shirik`	`for the last 2 days that's all I've seen`
`16:36.26`	`Matrix110`	`ah`
`16:36.42`	`Matrix110`	`but assuming the bot owner is inside here he will change the line fast :P`
`16:36.58`	`Shirik`	`ah well, obviously it wouldn't last long`
`16:37.01`	`Shirik`	`but it would be something`
`16:37.08`	`Shirik`	`I'm not banning lua> "`
`16:37.35`	`Cide`	`I really hope nobody in here is that immatury`
`16:37.41`	`Cide`	`immature*`
`16:37.56`	`Cide`	`but who knows`
`16:37.57`	`Matrix110`	`its somebody in here for sure`
`16:38.03`	`Shirik`	`I used to have a really amazing script for something like that`
`16:38.12`	`Shirik`	`unfortunately it was years ago, I don't have it anymore`
`16:38.24`	`Drundia`	`haha`
`16:38.25`	`Drundia`	`well`
`16:38.26`	`Cide`	`to spam irc channels? :P`
`16:38.30`	`Drundia`	`people got ability to ban themselves`
`16:38.32`	`Shirik`	`no to block it`
`16:38.36`	`Drundia`	`if they feel tired of this channel`
`16:38.45`	`Matrix110`	`my script can autoban on repeation of >X letters messages automatically :=`
`16:39.00`	`Matrix110`	`spamn`
`16:39.12`	`Shirik`	`how many times I've seen that ban someone for saying "lol" too many times in a row`
`16:39.24`	`Drundia`	`lol`
`16:39.24`	`Matrix110`	`thats why you set it to >10 letters orso :P`
`16:39.33`	`durcyn`	`that should be banned on imo`
`16:39.34`	`Cide`	`that's why you don't spam "lol"`
`16:39.42`	`Cide`	`I hate people spamming "lol".`
`16:39.43`	`Shirik`	`oh look, my client can too`
`16:39.43`	`Drundia`	`lol`
`16:39.44`	`Drundia`	`:)`
`16:39.50`	`Drundia`	`oops`
`16:39.50`	`Shirik`	`not going to turn it on though, not yet at least`
`16:40.07`	`Shirik`	`it's in the same spot as my ban protection, heh`
`16:40.09`	`Kaso`	`i think we need to build a neural net to fuzzily analyse the syntax of the line, combined with the grammatical correctness of the name, combine them into a "spam rating" and ban if that spam rating gets too high`
`16:40.10`	`Cide`	`Shirik: that's because nbc-irc is worse than CTRA when it comes to bloat!`
`16:40.12`	`Kaso`	`get on it guys`
`16:40.19`	`Shirik`	`lol Kaso`
`16:40.27`	`Shirik`	`nbs-irc is awesome!`
`16:40.33`	`Cide`	`so is CTRA.`
`16:40.38`	`Shirik`	`It kicked zootfizzle!`
`16:40.43`	`Cide`	`oh wait, no it isn't`
`16:41.00`	`Lopeppeppy`	`If you kicked Zoot, I don't want to be you when he wakes up! :P`
`16:41.12`	`Shirik`	`no this was months ago :)`
`16:41.13`	`*** join/#wowuidev Nom (n=nom@standen.id.au)`
`16:42.54`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Oh, I'm sure he's over it by now then. Gnomes don't hold grudges. Much.`
`16:42.56`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Often.`
`16:43.23`	`Shirik`	`gnomes don't hold much at all`
`16:43.26`	`Shirik`	`hands are too small :)`
`16:44.27`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Shirik... wouldn't you just like to know? wink`
`16:44.34`	`Shirik`	`ha`
`16:44.36`	`*** join/#wowuidev iDolby (n=dolby@MMOI/Administrator/Dolby)`
`16:44.37`	`*** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o iDolby] by ChanServ`
`16:44.49`	`Drundia`	`it's small, but hits as hard as big`
`16:45.17`	`Lopeppeppy`	`That's what he said, Drundia.`
`16:45.27`	`Kalroth`	`:D`
`16:45.43`	`Drundia`	`he did?`
`16:46.20`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Yeah.... they always do.`
`16:46.43`	`Drundia`	`where? when? you confuse me :(`
`16:47.37`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Yeah. If you didn't get it, PM Kalroth to explain it to you.`
`16:47.50`	`Kalroth`	`I'll PM you any day, baby!`
`16:47.54`	`Kalroth`	`oh wait, was to Drundia`
`16:48.05`	`Kalroth`	`Well that's ok too, I guess`
`16:48.09`	`Drundia`	`:)`
`16:48.16`	`Lopeppeppy`	`You two work it out amongst yourselves.`
`16:50.01`	`Drundia`	`Kalroth can i have it explained or should i PM you first?`
`16:50.18`	`Kalroth`	`><`
`16:50.47`	`Kalroth`	`ok, simple rule on the internet; when in doubt, replace "it" with "penis".`
`16:50.59`	`Shirik`	`lol`
`16:51.05`	`Lopeppeppy`	`[12:44] Drundia: it's small, but hits as hard as big`
`16:51.05`	`Lopeppeppy`	`[12:44] Lopeppeppy: That's what he said, Drundia.`
`16:51.34`	`Dezzimal`	`anyone here use stasiscl that can do something simple for me?`
`16:51.37`	`zenzelezz`	`Kalroth: that brings new meaning to "suck it up"`
`16:51.37`	`*** join/#wowuidev dolbytest (n=chatzill@mobile-166-217-084-159.mycingular.net)`
`16:51.55`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Yes that does, zenzelezz.`
`16:51.55`	`Shirik`	`cingular`
`16:51.56`	`Shirik`	`eew`
`16:51.58`	`Dezzimal`	`I'd like to know what files are inside your wws-history folder on your webserver`
`16:52.33`	`*** join/#wowuidev nphpwop (n=yhowxznx@host114-78-static.191-82-b.business.telecomitalia.it)`
`16:52.33`	`nphpwop`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`16:52.33`	`nphpwop`	`~lart ckknight`
`16:52.33`	`purl`	`runs at ckknight with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut`
`16:52.33`	`nphpwop`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`16:52.36`	`nphpwop`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`16:52.37`	`dolbytest`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
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`16:52.39`	`oldqfbrewr`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`16:52.39`	`oldqfbrewr`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`16:52.41`	`Drundia`	`i erhm... meant that that small thing gnomes [warriors mostly] hold in their hands hits just as hard as big things taurens hold in their hands...`
`16:52.57`	`Shirik`	`wow`
`16:53.00`	`Kalroth`	`Anyone good with multiple monitors here? I've got my TV attached as secondary monitor (DVI->HDMI cable) and that works fine. But I want to disable XP extending desktop to it and when I do that, XP simply disables the TV, even for wieving a movie on it.`
`16:53.11`	`Drundia`	`Shirik, didn't seem to work`
`16:53.18`	`Kalroth`	`Basically I just want to disable extended desktop on my secondary monitor without disabling the monitor itself`
`16:53.36`	`dolbytest`	`testing script`
`16:53.36`	`Drundia`	`he was k-lined excess-flooded faster`
`16:53.38`	`dolbytest`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`16:53.39`	`zenzelezz`	`Drundia: proportionally speaking, I think gnome "things" are about the same size as tauren "things". I have not verified this though`
`16:53.51`	`Drundia`	`yes, proportionally`
`16:53.58`	`Drundia`	`but not proportionally to target`
`16:55.26`	`Drundia`	`i think it's other instance of Shirik that does those bans`
`16:55.36`	`Shirik`	`Drundia: that was intentional`
`16:55.42`	`Shirik`	`trying to help dolby get set up, I disabled`
`16:55.43`	`Shirik`	`crap!`
`16:55.50`	`Shirik`	`worst possible timing`
`16:55.57`	`Shirik`	`that's so not fair`
`16:56.03`	`dolbytest`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`16:56.18`	`Shirik`	`I'm trying to help dolby get it set up so I disabled mine temporarily :(`
`16:56.33`	`Shirik`	`they cheated`
`16:56.37`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Dolby will soon be a rockstar too, and we will have much fun with the Ban Stick!`
`16:56.40`	`Drundia`	`that seems to be understandable`
`16:57.18`	`dolbytest`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`16:57.18`	`*** mode/#WoWUIDev [+b !@mobile-166-217-084-159.mycingular.net] by iDolby`
`16:57.18`	`*** kick/#wowuidev [dolbytest!n=dolby@MMOI/Administrator/Dolby] by iDolby (Have a good day, and remember, BadBoy is available at wowinterface.com, wowace.com, and curse.com!)`
`16:57.23`	`Shirik`	`there we go`
`16:59.03`	`Shirik`	`lol Lopeppeppy`
`16:59.06`	`*** mode/#WoWUIDev [-b !@mobile-166-217-084-159.mycingular.net] by dolby`
`17:00.03`	`Shirik`	`they do seem to be decreasing in frequency though`
`17:00.05`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I'm soooo sorely tempted to test the script, but no. I will be good.`
`17:00.37`	`Drundia`	`you can test which one will be faster`
`17:00.39`	`Drundia`	`haha`
`17:00.56`	`Shirik`	`dolby's should, I'm on an EVDO card`
`17:02.53`	`Drundia`	`i'm wondering if spammers come again when someone else will be setting up script`
`17:03.07`	`Shirik`	`no more setting up of scripts ;`
`17:03.09`	`Shirik`	`:)`
`17:03.17`	`Shirik`	`dolby's here 24-7 so`
`17:03.27`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Dolby and Shirik have us covered.`
`17:05.33`	`Drundia`	`and both have several hanging copies around`
`17:05.48`	`Drundia`	`s/hanging copies/copies hanging/`
`17:05.55`	`Shirik`	`hm?`
`17:06.45`	`Drundia`	`oops, Shirik doesn't have copies here atm`
`17:06.46`	`Nom`	`lol Boston Legal is win`
`17:06.57`	`Nom`	`"There's never been a dam or damsel I couldn't plug" - Denny Crane`
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`17:08.58`	`konawcil`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`17:08.58`	`konawcil`	`~lart ckknight`
`17:08.58`	`purl`	`follow's ckknight with a gauntlet and ... scratch ... HUMILIATION`
`17:08.58`	`konawcil`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`17:08.59`	`*** mode/#WoWUIDev [+b !@203.115.6.230] by Shirik`
`17:08.59`	`*** kick/#wowuidev [konawcil!n=dolby@MMOI/Administrator/Dolby] by iDolby (Have a good day, and remember, BadBoy is available at wowinterface.com, wowace.com, and curse.com!)`
`17:09.03`	`Shirik`	`yay`
`17:09.18`	`Drundia`	`interesting`
`17:09.23`	`Drundia`	`i see shared efforts`
`17:11.00`	`Cide`	`haha`
`17:11.03`	`Cide`	`nice job`
`17:11.24`	`Cide`	`can I join in with a /me sipts on $1?`
`17:11.27`	`Cide`	`s/ip/pi/`
`17:12.17`	Funkeh`	`is it not a better idea to let them get klined? :)`
`17:13.07`	`cncfanatics`	`Shirik: do you automaticly ban any lua> "(.) nickname (.)" ?`
`17:13.14`	`Shirik`	`... no`
`17:13.24`	`cncfanatics`	`you should imho :p`
`17:13.30`	`cncfanatics`	`those bots are the only ones that do that anyway`
`17:13.52`	`Shirik`	and Funkeh`, as much as I'd like that to happen, and I know freenode staff is doing everything they can, there have been times where they go for a while
`17:14.34`	`Shirik`	`Drundia, what did you mean by "shared efforts"?`
`17:14.35`	`zenzelezz`	`not just that, the guy seems to have more than a few different hosts considering the number of K-lines he's already had`
`17:14.51`	`cncfanatics`	`its not like its difficult to get hold of an IP ...`
`17:14.55`	`cncfanatics`	`most people on the net are idiots`
`17:14.57`	`Drundia`	`"Shirik sets mode: +b" "was kicked by iDolby"`
`17:15.04`	`Shirik`	`heh`
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`17:18.46`	`zenzelezz`	`<Lopeppeppy> [...] but no. I will be good <-- don't worry, to us you'll always be considered naughty`
`17:19.17`	`Cide`	`'sok`
`17:19.24`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Yes, that I am, zenzelezz.`
`17:23.48`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`haha.. http://www.overheardinnewyork.com/archives/014783.html`
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`17:29.43`	`ersolbshges`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`17:29.43`	`ersolbshges`	`~lart ckknight`
`17:29.43`	`purl`	`beats ckknight into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy`
`17:29.43`	`ersolbshges`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`17:29.43`	`*** mode/#WoWUIDev [+b !@202.141.102.166] by iDolby`
`17:29.43`	`*** kick/#wowuidev [ersolbshges!n=dolby@MMOI/Administrator/Dolby] by iDolby (Have a good day, and remember, BadBoy is available at wowinterface.com, wowace.com, and curse.com!)`
`17:31.02`	`zenzelezz`	`lol`
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`17:42.31`	`Shirik`	`you know it's actually a bit scary`
`17:42.36`	`Shirik`	`you now see just how many hosts these guys have`
`17:42.55`	`Shirik`	`and thus how big of a business it is`
`17:44.35`	`Drundia`	`he contacted all other sellers`
`17:44.47`	`Drundia`	`the addon has quite a big list of them`
`17:46.06`	`Lopeppeppy`	`They have their protest campaign, we have our scripts. gentle shrug`
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`18:12.21`	`DARKGuy`	`mornin' :)`
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`18:27.37`	`Shirik`	`ok, 1.#QNAN is a QNAN obviously. Anyone have a good idea how I could get one when all I'm doing is adding up numbers?`
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`18:28.19`	`zenzelezz`	`what's the "Q" in QNAN?`
`18:28.30`	`Shirik`	`quiet`
`18:28.41`	`Shirik`	`as opposed to signaling`
`18:30.11`	`Cide`	`Shirik: hmm`
`18:30.13`	`Cide`	`>>> 0/0 + 0/0`
`18:30.13`	`Cide`	`Cide: -1.#IND`
`18:30.15`	`Shirik`	`a signaling nan should raise an exception, a quiet nan should simply propogate through`
`18:30.16`	`Kaso`	`if you're getting nan by adding up numbers then one of the values you're adding up must be a nan?`
`18:30.17`	`Cide`	`boo`
`18:30.40`	`Shirik`	`all of the numbers come from the same formula so`
`18:30.47`	`Shirik`	`I'm not denying that`
`18:30.53`	`Shirik`	`I'm just saying, I have no idea where it could come from ><`
`18:31.14`	`Shirik`	`I've honestly never even seen 1.#QNAN before`
`18:31.26`	`Kaso`	`what platform are you on?`
`18:31.32`	`Shirik`	`windows`
`18:31.56`	`Cide`	`in lua? I thought 0/0 was NaN in lua, but it's not represented as 1.#QNAN`
`18:32.00`	`Shirik`	`>>> 1/9999999999999999999999999999999`
`18:32.00`	`Cide`	`Shirik: 1e-031`
`18:32.03`	`Shirik`	`yeah it's in lua`
`18:32.13`	`Cide`	`0/0 is just 1.IND`
`18:32.16`	`Shirik`	`in wow, specifically`
`18:32.22`	`Cide`	`or -1.IND rather`
`18:32.24`	`Shirik`	`>>> .00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 + .00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001`
`18:32.24`	`Cide`	`Shirik: 2e-047`
`18:32.27`	`Cide`	`-1.#IND*`
`18:33.32`	`Shirik`	`I will say that the numbers are extremely small that I'm dealing with`
`18:33.38`	`Shirik`	`that may have something to do with`
`18:38.20`	`Shirik`	`>>> 1e-350`
`18:38.20`	`Cide`	`Shirik: 0`
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`18:38.27`	`Shirik`	`>>> 1e-350 + 1e-350`
`18:38.27`	`Cide`	`Shirik: 0`
`18:39.01`	`Guest956`	`does anyone know how to turn off the box that shows players information such as level and health and what not when you hold your mouse over them`
`18:39.09`	`Shirik`	`>>> 6e-324`
`18:39.09`	`Cide`	`Shirik: 4.9406564584125e-324`
`18:40.38`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Guest956, most tooltip mods will help you with that, although you can start with the "detailed tooltip" sorts of settings that Blizzard offers, to see if that does it enough for your tastes.`
`18:55.45`	`Fisker-`	`i won the game`
`18:57.13`	`Fisker-`	`I wanna make a game`
`18:57.23`	`Fisker-`	`"All hell breaks loose - False Alarm"`
`18:57.52`	`Fisker-`	`it's about a duke nukem'ish character that grabs all his guns after seeing a ufo crash into a building, only to discover it was a weatherballoon`
`18:57.54`	`Fisker-`	`game over`
`18:58.39`	`Shirik`	`you are so strange Fisker-`
`18:58.59`	`Fisker-`	`no u`
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`19:07.26`	`foxlit`	`http://idle.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/24/1335258`
`19:07.38`	`foxlit`	`especially the comments`
`19:18.04`	`zenzelezz`	`http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/05/24/funny-pictures-to-show-mah-deep-concern/`
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`19:25.15`	`Cairenn`	`Dave2: ping?`
`19:31.16`	`Shirik`	`>>> math.exp(1/0)`
`19:31.16`	`Cide`	`Shirik: 1.#INF`
`19:33.53`	`Shirik`	`>>> math.exp(0/0)`
`19:33.53`	`Cide`	`Shirik: -1.#IND`
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`19:38.37`	`Shirik`	`>>> math.abs(0/0), math.abs(1/0)`
`19:38.37`	`Cide`	`Shirik: 1.#QNAN, 1.#INF`
`19:38.40`	`Shirik`	`there you are!`
`19:39.50`	`Fisker-`	`o hey`
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`19:41.23`	`Kalroth`	`>>> print("Why yes, I'd love to send you all my money.")`
`19:41.24`	`Cide`	`Kalroth: "Why yes, I'd love to send you all my money."`
`19:41.27`	`Kalroth`	`damnit`
`19:41.43`	`Kalroth`	`>>> print(Why yes, I'd love to send you all my money.)`
`19:41.46`	`Kalroth`	`aw`
`19:42.24`	`Kalroth`	`He's thought this lua stuff through very thoroughly!`
`19:42.41`	`Shirik`	`that and I made him pay for what he didn't think through :)`
`19:43.35`	`Kalroth`	`haha`
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`20:08.44`	`*** topic/#wowuidev is http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ \| 2.4.x ToC: 20400 \| #WoWUIDev-commits : A place to watch active development of World of Warcraft addons. Multiple Sites' CIA & JIRA bots reporting \| WoW programming book http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob \| "well then stay here and rot, you stuck up bitch" - Tem`
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`20:24.45`	`ckknight`	`>>> 0/0, math.abs(0/0)`
`20:24.45`	`Cide`	`ckknight: -1.#IND, 1.#QNAN`
`20:24.50`	`ckknight`	`hrm`
`20:27.16`	`Iriel`	`?`
`20:31.22`	`Iriel`	`I seem to recall a thread on the lua mailing list not so long ago about how lua doesn't have a whole bunch of code in to trap a number of math exceptions`
`20:41.16`	`mikma`	`<1206> <Zuirk> just saw the new Indiana Jones movie.. totally awesome!`
`20:41.28`	`mikma`	`just saw the new indie movie, and here's my comment about it:`
`20:41.28`	`Cide`	`no spoilarz`
`20:41.32`	`mikma`	`<2340> <mikma> can the new indie suck more`
`20:41.47`	`End`	`I thought it was better than temple of doom`
`20:41.53`	`Cide`	`temple of doom was awesome`
`20:41.54`	`mikma`	`i'm not a spoiler-type`
`20:41.59`	`Cide`	`just no spoilarz`
`20:42.05`	`End`	`Cide sucks. at life.`
`20:42.15`	`mikma`	`indie 1-3 are awesome, the new is worthless shit`
`20:42.16`	`End`	`:P`
`20:42.55`	`Corrodias`	`that's odd. how can some people like it so much and others dislike it?`
`20:42.59`	`Corrodias`	`are you sure you all saw the same movie?`
`20:43.26`	`End`	`It was a little on the ridiculous side to me.`
`20:44.17`	`End`	`although`
`20:44.29`	`End`	`hm`
`20:44.39`	`mikma`	`End: well, to me it's still "worthless shit"`
`20:45.01`	`End`	`I don't think it was that bad`
`20:45.47`	`End`	`I just thought it was...okay...meh`
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`21:07.46`	`Industrial`	`vote FINLAND in the eurovision songfestival kthx`
`21:08.11`	`zenzelezz`	`nevar`
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`21:08.36`	`ysdod`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`21:08.36`	`ysdod`	`~lart ckknight`
`21:08.36`	`purl`	`send killer squirrels to attack ckknight`
`21:08.36`	`ysdod`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
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`21:08.36`	`phwz`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`21:08.36`	`phwz`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`21:08.38`	`ysdod`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`21:08.38`	`ysdod`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`21:08.38`	`*** mode/#WoWUIDev [+b !@202.155.88.230] by iDolby`
`21:08.38`	`*** kick/#wowuidev [ysdod!n=dolby@MMOI/Administrator/Dolby] by iDolby (Have a good day, and remember, BadBoy is available at wowinterface.com, wowace.com, and curse.com!)`
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`21:08.39`	`n`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`21:08.39`	`n`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
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`21:08.41`	`v`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`21:08.41`	`v`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`21:08.43`	`v`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
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`21:08.47`	`zgki`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`21:08.47`	`zgki`	`~lart ckknight`
`21:08.47`	`purl`	`gives ckknight a good seeing to`
`21:08.47`	`zgki`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`21:08.47`	`v`	`lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"`
`21:08.49`	`*** mode/#WoWUIDev [+b !@prov-S10-1-0-65-acc01.bva.embratel.net.br] by Shirik`
`21:08.51`	`*** mode/#WoWUIDev [+b !@213.42.65.46] by Shirik`
`21:09.09`	`*** mode/#WoWUIDev [+b !@200.109.101.2] by Shirik`
`21:09.25`	`Shirik`	`wow`
`21:09.33`	`Shirik`	`getting spammed with "no such nick/channel"`
`21:10.23`	`Shirik`	`I need to turn off flood protection of op commands`
`21:11.47`	`Corrodias`	`and`
`21:11.54`	`Corrodias`	`you need to buy me some ice cream`
`21:12.15`	`Shirik`	`ok`
`21:15.27`	`*** mode/#WoWUIDev [+R] by ChanServ`
`21:15.44`	`Cairenn`	`sorry guys, hate to do it =/`
`21:16.02`	`zenzelezz`	`no problem, makes us feel speshul`
`21:16.07`	`Fisker-`	`as long as you make pancakes`
`21:16.12`	`Fisker-`	`PANCAKES`
`21:16.16`	`Shirik`	`uh, Cairenn?`
`21:16.23`	`Cairenn`	`un, Shirik?`
`21:17.03`	`Shirik`	`ah, I didn't know the difference between +R and +r`
`21:17.09`	`Cairenn`	`:)`
`21:17.12`	`Cairenn`	`I did`
`21:18.42`	`*** topic/#WoWUIDev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ \| 2.4.x ToC: 20400 \| #WoWUIDev-commits : A place to watch active development of World of Warcraft addons. Multiple Sites' CIA & JIRA bots reporting \| Channel temporarily restricted to Registered nics only, until the spammer goes away`
`21:18.51`	`*** topic/#WoWUIDev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ \| 2.4.x ToC: 20400 \| #WoWUIDev-commits : A place to watch active development of World of Warcraft addons. Multiple Sites' CIA & JIRA bots reporting \| Channel temporarily restricted to Registered nicks only, until the spammer goes away`
`21:19.28`	`Fisker-`	`"Oh crap i can't join #wowuidev, oh well i think i'll go read the channel topic, oh wait..."`
`21:19.38`	`Shirik`	`Fisker-, that's the difference between +R and +r :)`
`21:19.43`	`dolby`	`its for the people already in here Fisker-`
`21:19.43`	`Cairenn`	`what would you have me do?`
`21:19.44`	`Shirik`	`+R you can still join, you're just silenced`
`21:19.50`	`dolby`	`jeeze`
`21:20.26`	`zenzelezz`	`Fisker-: yes, typing /topic #wowuidev is hard work`
`21:20.34`	`Fisker-`	`;_;`
`21:20.40`	`Fisker-`	`i hate you Shirik`
`21:20.45`	`Shirik`	`<3`
`21:20.53`	`Corrodias`	`you should do: a sexy dance`
`21:21.04`	`Fisker-`	`zenzelezz i'm just used to that networks usually delist channels so spambots can't randomly find channels and join them`
`21:21.19`	`Fisker-`	`which also prevents you from getting a channel topic`
`21:21.21`	`dolby`	`this isnt a random spambot`
`21:21.31`	`dolby`	`some one is targeting this channel and ck`
`21:21.34`	`Fisker-`	`o rly?`
`21:21.36`	`zenzelezz`	`Fisker-: well, that isn't the case on FreeNode. Just tested it and /topic works for channels you're not on`
`21:22.02`	`Shirik`	`I believe you have to be +p to block /topic'ing a channel you're not on`
`21:22.03`	`Shirik`	`or +s`
`21:22.04`	`Shirik`	`something`
`21:22.07`	`Fisker-`	`yeah`
`21:22.45`	`ckknight`	`dolby: they were targeting other people earlier, I honestly doubt he'll target me forever, but probably will target someone else in the addon community`
`21:23.10`	`dolby`	`but its a bot that is targeting the addon channels no?`
`21:23.16`	`Shirik`	`I was partially hoping they target dolby due to his new script`
`21:24.37`	`ckknight`	`dolby: yea`
`21:25.08`	`Fisker-`	`it's Cide`
`21:25.16`	`Fisker-`	`he still has a grudge over oRA!`
`21:25.29`	`MentalPower\|AFK`	`nah, its me! muahahahahaha :P`
`21:25.31`	`dolby`	`I think its Shirik`
`21:26.10`	`ckknight`	`I think it's dolby`
`21:26.15`	`dolby`	`!`
`21:26.16`	`Fisker-`	`i think it's ckknight`
`21:26.20`	`ckknight`	`no u`
`21:26.21`	`Fisker-`	`all publicity = good publicity`
`21:26.28`	`ckknight`	`publicity for what?`
`21:26.37`	`Fisker-`	`yourself`
`21:26.55`	`ckknight`	`it's not me, I'm far too annoyed by it`
`21:26.56`	`dolby`	`lol`
`21:31.13`	`Arrowmaster`	`i suggested carbonite was pissed about cartographer3 but ckknight disagreed`
`21:31.29`	`ckknight`	`I seriously doubt that, since this kinda started before I released cart3`
`21:31.48`	`Arrowmaster`	`before you released it on curse`
`21:31.58`	`ckknight`	`yea`
`21:32.10`	`Shirik`	`I thought this was the gold spammers?`
`21:32.20`	`ckknight`	`yea, that's what I think`
`21:33.35`	`Arrowmaster`	`well this is a good time to remind everybody to register their nicknames and to have the freenode staff mask their hostname`
`21:33.52`	`Hjalte`	`It would seem strange for gold spammers to target ckknight, and not funkeh :)`
`21:33.55`	`Gngsk`	`how do you get your host masked, ask an opper?`
`21:34.09`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah`
`21:34.15`	`Arrowmaster`	`theres info on freenodes website`
`21:34.20`	`Gngsk`	`k, thx`
`21:34.26`	`Shirik`	`you can also talk to Cairenn`
`21:34.38`	`ckknight`	Hjalte: I talked to the guy after he spammed a lot, he told me that funkeh was hurting him with badboy and that he needs to eat, so I said that Funkeh` wasn't a bad guy and BadBoy was good
`21:34.42`	`ckknight`	`then I got spammed.`
`21:35.07`	`Corrodias`	`oh well`
`21:35.10`	`Shirik`	`he needs to eat`
`21:35.14`	`Shirik`	`get a job that doesn't break the law imo`
`21:35.19`	`ckknight`	`agreed`
`21:35.24`	`ckknight`	`I told him to get a real job`
`21:35.33`	`Corrodias`	`i wonder why freenode doesn't suppose mode +x to mask your hostname`
`21:35.36`	`Shirik`	`I mean, I can't even begin to think about how much money we send off to hong kong every year`
`21:35.38`	`Corrodias`	`*sopport`
`21:35.40`	`Corrodias`	`oh jesus. support.`
`21:39.57`	`Industrial`	`is druid roots 1 just as effective as any other rank?`
`21:40.33`	`Industrial`	`I respecced my 36 drood to balance and im trying to get some mana efficiency (seriously, oomkin, lmao)`
`21:40.46`	`Industrial`	`im kinda emptying my full mana on every yellow mob...`
`21:44.19`	`Cide`	`and that is why you level feral`
`21:45.05`	`Corrodias`	`lemme think... no, lower ranked spells have a higher chance of being resisted than higher level ones`
`21:45.15`	`Corrodias`	`if i'm not mistaken`
`21:45.49`	`Industrial`	`ok`
`21:46.18`	`Corrodias`	`levelling balance before outland is probably difficult, but it isn't after 60`
`21:46.44`	`wereHamster`	`<@Shirik> get a job that doesn't break the law imo`
`21:46.57`	`wereHamster`	`are you sure what he does breaks the law where he lives?`
`21:47.43`	`Shirik`	`if that's not the case, is he allowed to even have that software without breaking national treaties?`
`21:47.43`	`Industrial`	`I'm not really liking the kittyform. I have all my stuff on one 12 button bar and I'm pressing like 1 5 8 2 7 4 3 :\| I'm used to 1 1 1 1 1 on ym shammy and 2 1 1 1 1 on my hunter ;D`
`21:47.50`	`Industrial`	`I _am_ pwning rogues though`
`21:47.59`	`Industrial`	`just lock em up and poof away :D`
`21:48.22`	`Corrodias`	`you're using too many abilities, if you are pressing that many keys`
`21:48.27`	`Corrodias`	`or, rather, you don't have enough macros`
`21:48.36`	`Industrial`	`Never tried macros for druid`
`21:49.15`	`Corrodias`	`for example, pounce can only be used while in stealth, and maim can only be used when you have combo points. i recommend putting them on the same key with a macro to use [stealth] Pounce; Maim`
`21:49.20`	`wereHamster`	`Shirik, it may be the same as with piratebay/sweden, where he doesn't have to care about what other countries try to enforce`
`21:49.25`	`Corrodias`	`or have an addon that gives you a stealth bar`
`21:49.46`	`Industrial`	`I have a stealth bar`
`21:50.38`	`Corrodias`	`that should handle most of it. let's see, what did i use a lot? prowl, pounce, mangle/claw, maim, shred, FB, and rip i think`
`21:51.03`	`Industrial`	`Tiger's Fury, Ravage, Faerie Fire (feral), Rake, Rip, Claw, Claw, Ferocious Bite`
`21:51.05`	`Corrodias`	`i guess that is still more complex than 2222222222222`
`21:51.07`	`Industrial`	`is what I do`
`21:51.30`	`Corrodias`	`i did some math on tiger's fury and it just wasn't worth the energy cost and inconvenience, for me`
`21:51.35`	`Corrodias`	`FF, that's right, forgot`
`21:54.51`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`rake seems pretty useless, tbh.`
`21:55.13`	`Fisker-`	`It's Fx`
`21:55.18`	`Fisker-`	`oh wait`
`21:55.18`	`Corrodias`	`the only time i've found a use for it was pvp against high-armor opponents`
`21:55.20`	`Industrial`	`lmao`
`21:55.20`	`Fisker-`	`you're talking wow :(`
`21:55.40`	`Corrodias`	`when a mangle might do less damage total`
`21:55.41`	`Industrial`	`im using it as a combopoint (its a bleed right?) for Rip`
`21:55.49`	`Corrodias`	`yeah`
`21:56.01`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`the damage/energy never seemed highly worth it (at least in pve)`
`21:56.12`	`Industrial`	`adds 50 damage to rip that way atm`
`21:57.07`	`Industrial`	`I guess I could try to castsequence that seeing as I use it on all mobs :P (well cept maybe earth elementals >_>)`
`21:57.18`	`Corrodias`	`you need to have a Mangle on them, i think, to make the bleed of Rake keep up with the damage of a Mangle, and exceed it on high-armor opponents (bleeds ignore armor, after all)`
`21:57.39`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`yeah`
`21:57.42`	`Industrial`	`I dont have mangle yet, 14 levels`
`21:57.55`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`although in pve, there's enough -armor going around that i dont think rake really keeps up with mangle/shred.`
`21:58.04`	`ckknight`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9dpTTpjymE`
`21:58.05`	`Corrodias`	`and getting the energy reduction for Shred is important, as it's a far better way to spend energy on damage than Mangle if you can manage to get behind the opponent`
`21:58.10`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`(i'm glad to be proven wrong, though)`
`21:58.21`	`Corrodias`	`i never used Rake in pve, no`
`21:58.34`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`yeah, and i dont pvp., so i wont even speak to that. :)`
`21:59.02`	`Industrial`	`im talking about leveling right now though, not raiding at all :P`
`21:59.14`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`even leveling, i never really used it much`
`21:59.23`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`especially once you get mangl`
`21:59.24`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`e`
`21:59.35`	`Industrial`	`hmm okay`
`22:00.06`	`Corrodias`	`and Claw goes right out the window at that point, of course`
`22:00.11`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`yeah`
`22:00.27`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`actually, once you get mangle, its pretty much just mangle/rip/fb for grinding >.>`
`22:00.59`	`Corrodias`	`i liked pounce, FF, shred, shred, mangle a few times, FB`
`22:01.25`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`heh, i was too lazy, i tended to just fff pull, mangle and then either rip or fb depending on the mobs health`
`22:02.01`	`Corrodias`	`i did that too, moreso after getting enough kara gear that it just wasn't worth my time on solo mobs to do it the fancy way`
`22:05.11`	`Corrodias`	`i think i just realized something. Microsoft may well be deliberately trying to ruin PC gaming with Vista and its friends in order to sell more consoles, while still selling Vista because "hey, it's windows".`
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`22:27.49`	`TotalClark`	`how long do you think it would take somebody totally new at programming to learn how to make a simple mod to move a blizzard frame?`
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`22:28.10`	`wereHamster`	`two minutes`
`22:28.45`	`TotalClark`	`where should i start`
`22:29.50`	`Corrodias`	`no idea`
`22:29.51`	`wereHamster`	`if you haven't created any addon before, it might take a bit longer though. But the actual code is just two lines of lua code`
`22:30.31`	`Corrodias`	`i'd recommend not making an entire addon for it, but either using an existing addon to move the frame or using an addon that runs your LUA script and add a couple of lines to that script`
`22:30.31`	`krka`	`Corrodias: Lua is not an acronym. It is a Portuguese word that means moon.`
`22:30.50`	`TotalClark`	`is there a simple guide or faq I can read`
`22:30.56`	`Corrodias`	`thanks, krka. i almost care. your response looks pretty automated, though. will it do it again if i say LUA again?`
`22:31.07`	`wereHamster`	`LUA`
`22:31.19`	`Corrodias`	`guess not. too bad. saw some spammer potential there ;P`
`22:31.30`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`I think he's got a delay, so you cant spam it :P`
`22:31.37`	`Corrodias`	`TotalClark: well, i believe wowwiki.com has some tutorials on starting an addon`
`22:31.42`	`Corrodias`	`hang on`
`22:31.46`	`wereHamster`	`TotalClark, if you really want to create an addon, start reading wowwiki.com`
`22:32.11`	`wereHamster`	`if you want to create larger addons later on, consider buying one of the wow programing books`
`22:32.29`	`TotalClark`	`what i hope to do is move the experience bar and then use another mod I already have to hide the rest of the action bars`
`22:32.38`	`Corrodias`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Portal:Interface_customization and look under "tutorials, etc" there`
`22:33.12`	`TotalClark`	`thanks`
`22:34.01`	`Corrodias`	`damn you, Steam, and your ability to make me spend money so quickly`
`22:34.25`	`Matrix110`	`login as netcafe and get everything for free:P`
`22:34.31`	`Matrix110`	`or did they fix that yet?`
`22:34.38`	`Corrodias`	`i imagine they would quickly`
`22:34.58`	`TotalClark`	`I have Steam too`
`22:39.00`	`TotalClark`	`this should be fun`
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`22:47.02`	`Snago`	`hehe, I just raped LibStub. Passing all the tests in less than 500 bytes...`
`22:47.11`	`Snago`	`http://ace.pastey.net/88351`
`22:48.40`	`Snago`	`I challange anyone to shorten it further :D`
`22:49.26`	`Corrodias`	`libstub is an Ace library?`
`22:49.30`	`MentalPower\|AFK`	`no`
`22:49.46`	`Cide`	`Snago: the question is why`
`22:49.48`	`MentalPower\|AFK`	`Snago: yes, and ruining readability in the process`
`22:50.01`	`Snago`	`Cide: I did it for the lulz ;)`
`22:50.17`	`Corrodias`	`if it's not an Ace library, then using Ace libraries in the "solution" seems to me like cheating`
`22:50.31`	`Snago`	`MentalPower\|AFK: Yes, but that wasn't the point :P`
`22:50.42`	`foxlit`	`It's possible to shorten it further`
`22:50.44`	`Corrodias`	`at least when claiming it's short. i mean, you could package the entire code into a single function called "F" beforehand and shorten your solution to "F()"`
`22:51.05`	`foxlit`	`I'll just leave you with that assertion, and the knowledge of your failure :)`
`22:51.23`	`Corrodias`	`unless it isn't using them. i thought i saw it using one. hang on.`
`22:51.56`	`Corrodias`	`guess not. never mind. what is LibStub?`
`22:52.19`	`Snago`	`Corrodias: It's not using any library. It's the "Library" where all other libraries are supposed to register themselves`
`22:52.36`	`foxlit`	`s/all/some/`
`22:52.37`	`Snago`	`so other addons can find and use them`
`22:53.02`	`Corrodias`	`aaah. it's just hosted at wowace. okay`
`22:53.08`	`Snago`	`foxlit: pasty or it didn't happen`
`22:53.26`	`foxlit`	`Ah, but that spoils the point, Snago.`
`22:53.56`	`Shirik`	`I made it shorter snago`
`22:54.07`	`foxlit`	`See, Shirik confirms my assertion :)`
`22:54.07`	`Shirik`	`http://ace.pastey.net/88352`
`22:54.36`	`Snago`	`ahhh, good find :)`
`22:54.45`	`foxlit`	`And yet that's still possible to shorten further`
`22:54.54`	`Shirik`	`aye`
`22:54.58`	`Shirik`	`I took like 1 minute looking ati t :P`
`22:56.09`	`Snago`	`not only shortening it by 5 bytes, also getting rid of a getglobal :)`
`22:56.19`	`Corrodias`	`is there some contest to do this as shortly as possible?`
`22:56.40`	`dylanm`	`There is now.`
`22:57.07`	`Xuerian`	`Let the headaches begin`
`22:57.33`	`[dRaCo]`	`imo, newline and spaces shouldn't count`
`22:57.41`	`Snago`	`Nope, that version don't work :\`
`22:58.24`	`Snago`	`minor version (b) can be a number, then b:match errors`
`22:58.37`	`Snago`	`s/can/can't/`
`22:59.42`	`MentalPower\|AFK`	`Shirik: it needs to pass the unit tests`
`22:59.57`	`Shirik`	`hm?`
`23:00.03`	`MentalPower\|AFK`	`LibStub`
`23:00.15`	`Shirik`	`doesn't it?`
`23:00.19`	`MentalPower\|AFK`	`the contest is to get it as short as possible, whilst still passing the unit tests`
`23:00.30`	`Shirik`	`All I did was change strmatch into s:match`
`23:00.53`	`foxlit`	`Which is what they whined at`
`23:01.04`	`Snago`	`Minor version can be number or string with a number in it`
`23:01.05`	`foxlit`	`strmatch casts the first argument to string, s:match only works if s is a string :/`
`23:01.16`	`Shirik`	`that's stupid :P`
`23:01.46`	`Cide`	`YOUR** stupid!`
`23:02.23`	`foxlit`	`tbh, people are missing the forest for the trees`
`23:02.40`	`Shirik`	`huh?`
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`23:03.18`	`Snago`	`foxlit: you had another change in mind?`
`23:03.22`	`dylanm`	`The forest is stupid too.`
`23:03.27`	`foxlit`	`No, not really`
`23:03.33`	`foxlit`	`I still assert that it can be shortened further.`
`23:03.53`	`Xuerian`	`foxlit: Is messing with slightly unrelated code done in your shortening theory? >_>`
`23:04.14`	`foxlit`	`no, just changing the linked code`
`23:04.22`	`Cide`	`what's the point of "if ... then else"?`
`23:04.22`	`Xuerian`	`Bah :P`
`23:04.33`	`Shirik`	`Cide: removes "not + parens" I assume`
`23:04.35`	`Xuerian`	`shorter than if not () then)`
`23:04.47`	`Cide`	`um`
`23:04.50`	`foxlit`	`But Cide is good, tbh`
`23:04.53`	`Snago`	`Cide: Instead of if not foo then return end`
`23:04.56`	`foxlit`	`local c=S.minors[a]if c and c>=b then else`
`23:04.56`	`foxlit`	`local c=S.minors[a]if not c or c<b then`
`23:05.03`	`foxlit`	`if (S.minors[a] or -math.huge) < b then`
`23:05.06`	`Cide`	`if not S or S.minor<2 then`
`23:05.08`	`Cide`	`why not that?`
`23:05.19`	`foxlit`	`if (S.minors[a] or 0) < b then -- assuming revisions > 0`
`23:05.36`	`Shirik`	`(c or b) < b`
`23:05.37`	`Shirik`	`what about that?`
`23:05.48`	`foxlit`	`Shirik: no`
`23:05.48`	`Cide`	`>>> #("if not S or S.minor<2 then"), #("if S and S.minor>=2 then else")`
`23:05.48`	`Cide`	`Cide: 26, 29`
`23:05.58`	`Shirik`	`no?`
`23:06.12`	`Cide`	`see above`
`23:06.22`	`Cide`	`do I win?`
`23:06.28`	`foxlit`	`Cide: twice.`
`23:06.33`	`Cide`	`how many internets?`
`23:06.39`	`foxlit`	`Half a tube!`
`23:06.44`	`Shirik`	`oh wow`
`23:06.49`	`Shirik`	`one more of those and you'll have a whole tube!`
`23:06.56`	`Cide`	`yay`
`23:06.58`	`Snago`	`edit the pasty and I'll run it through the unit tests`
`23:07.02`	`Cide`	`half a tube, that's like a halfpipe?`
`23:07.10`	`Shirik`	`well it depends on how it's cut`
`23:07.10`	`Snago`	`no wins until it pass`
`23:07.20`	`Shirik`	`I still like mine`
`23:07.28`	`Shirik`	`(c or b)<b`
`23:07.32`	`Cide`	`Snago: it's logically identical :P`
`23:08.39`	`foxlit`	`Shirik: (c or b)<b vs not (c and c >=b) ?`
`23:08.48`	`Shirik`	`yes`
`23:09.44`	`foxlit`	`c = nil`
`23:09.49`	`foxlit`	`(c or b) < b = false`
`23:09.54`	`foxlit`	`not (c and c >= b) = true`
`23:10.31`	`Shirik`	`whoops, I'm thinking backwards :(`
`23:10.50`	`Shirik`	`c or b-1 :P`
`23:10.52`	`Shirik`	`lol`
`23:11.08`	`foxlit`	`now, think twice!`
`23:11.15`	`foxlit`	`Is that c or b-1 or (c or b)-1 ?`
`23:11.22`	`foxlit`	`or c or (b-1)?`
`23:11.33`	`Shirik`	`(c or (b-1))<b`
`23:11.41`	`Shirik`	`hm`
`23:11.44`	`foxlit`	`[actually, -1 pushes you over the original character count, so it doesn't matter either way]`
`23:11.49`	`Shirik`	`boo`
`23:11.53`	`Shirik`	`but I get rid of the "else"`
`23:11.55`	`Shirik`	`that doesn't count?`
`23:12.08`	`Shirik`	`or did you include that`
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`23:12.47`	`foxlit`	`I was comparing to the slightly wrong string :)`
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`23:12.52`	`Shirik`	`......... the ckknight guy is in #lua?`
`23:13.08`	`ckknight`	`it's not me :-(`
`23:13.13`	`foxlit`	`(c or b-1) < b is one char shorter than the original :)`
`23:13.43`	`foxlit`	`>>> (4 or 3-1)`
`23:13.43`	`Cide`	`foxlit: 4`
`23:14.04`	`foxlit`	`seems it works, too`
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`23:16.24`	`Snago`	`ok, new record thanks to Shirik, 489 bytes http://ace.pastey.net/88353`
`23:16.45`	`foxlit`	`Except for it was Cide :)`
`23:17.41`	`Snago`	`>.< yes, sorry.. No glory for Shirik`
`23:17.46`	`Snago`	`All hail Cide! :D`
`23:17.46`	`Shirik`	`:(`
`23:17.53`	`foxlit`	`And it's still possible to shorten further.`
`23:18.04`	`Snago`	`foxlit: doit`
`23:18.51`	`Snago`	`(and if you're thinking about removing the error message, yes.. but that's kind of a grey area)`
`23:19.49`	`Snago`	`I already shortened it to the shortest still correct useful message`
`23:20.39`	`foxlit`	`Nah, I'm not suggesting changing the text of that.`
`23:22.18`	`Snago`	`making onechar variables global is also out of the question :P`
`23:22.32`	`Shirik`	`why, people do it all the time`
`23:22.49`	`Snago`	`Shirik: Exactly, they wouldn't last :P`
`23:23.58`	`foxlit`	`Just so we're clear, I'm asserting that there's a way to reduce the number of bytes in that chunk of code without affecting its functionality.`
`23:24.37`	`Snago`	`foxlit: I still think you're just talking until you prove it :P`
`23:25.13`	`Xuerian`	`"I'll show you mine if you'll show me yours"`
`23:25.16`	`foxlit`	`You're free to hold that opinion :)`
`23:26.17`	`Snago`	`(it's already using one char newlines, none of that \r\n windows crap, btw :P)`
`23:26.40`	`Shirik`	`I don't remember the last time I actually used \r\n in a program`
`23:26.51`	`Shirik`	`wait, I take that back. Hyperterminal doesn't like \n`
`23:27.00`	`Shirik`	`one of my serial devices had to use \r\n`
`23:29.05`	`Snago`	`now I need to think of a library to write so i can use this ;D`
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`23:31.32`	`Snago`	`and next week we can do CallbackHandler :)`
`23:32.07`	`Xuerian`	`Snago: Bored, are you?`
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`23:32.23`	`Snago`	`Xuerian: How'd you guess? :O`
`23:32.28`	`foxlit`	`It's about 16 bytes too long`
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`23:34.11`	`Snago`	`I found another space I could remove on line 8.. 488`
`23:35.25`	`foxlit`	`Then you're down to 20 bytes too long :)`
`23:35.35`	`Shirik`	`um... dolby, ping?`
`23:35.45`	`Shirik`	`ah he's at work`
`23:35.55`	`Shirik`	`how about...... ScytheBlade1?`
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`23:38.45`	`foxlit`	`http://ace.pastey.net/88355-2gvf:88353-1j8q -- there, have 17. There are 15 more to remove :)`
`23:38.50`	`foxlit`	`s/17/7/`
`23:46.05`	`Snago`	`ohh.. nice one foxlit :)`
`23:49.02`	`Lopeppeppy`	`So, who wound up with the... er... smallest epeen in this contest?`
`23:50.11`	`Snago`	`foxlit still claims he has an even smaller than what he has shown...`
`23:50.33`	`Lopeppeppy`	`hmmm ... foxlit, don't be modest or embarrased, show us!`
`23:50.42`	`Cide-`	`Snago: http://ace.pastey.net/88356`
`23:51.40`	`Snago`	`nice :)`
`23:52.03`	`Cide-`	`you could probably cut down a lot by just doing S.m,S.l=S.minors,S.libs`
`23:52.09`	`Cide-`	`and then using those instead`
`23:52.23`	`foxlit`	`I would imagine that'd break the unit tests`
`23:52.27`	`Cide-`	`why?`
`23:52.28`	`Snago`	`Cide-: no, then it wouldn't upgrade properly from an older version`
`23:52.33`	`Cide-`	`yes it would`
`23:52.40`	`Cide-`	`minors and libs are still there`
`23:52.53`	`Cide-`	`m and l are just references to the same tables`
`23:52.57`	`Cide-`	`with a shorter name`
`23:53.04`	`Snago`	`oh, yes.. that should work`
`23:53.26`	`foxlit`	`local both, really`
`23:53.38`	`foxlit`	`then you wouldn't be affecting the table at all`
`23:54.11`	`Cide-`	`that works too`
`23:54.14`	`Snago`	`but then a newer version couldn't get the already registered libs`
`23:54.27`	`foxlit`	`Nah, it's the same trick as what Cide did`
`23:54.36`	`Snago`	`oh, yes i see`
`23:54.46`	`foxlit`	`You simply create local references to both tables to use in your own code; both tables are actually kept at original locations`
`23:56.16`	`foxlit`	`And then you could still cut 15 more bytes for it :)`
`23:56.23`	`foxlit`	`s/for/from/`
`23:58.02`	`Cide-`	`if you alias S.libs as the local l`
`23:58.07`	`Cide-`	`you could do`
`23:58.19`	`foxlit`	`http://ace.pastey.net/88358-voqr`
`23:58.22`	`Cide-`	`function S:IterateLibraries() return next,l end`
`23:58.37`	`Cide-`	`"next,l" is shorter than "pairs(l)"`
`23:58.50`	`Cide-`	`same thing applies to next,S.libs I suppose.`

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