IRC log for #wowuidev on 20080523

00:02.10LunessaOk, 13 hours of work is enough for one day.  Ciao tutti.
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03:51.56Xinhuan--> Kel'Thuzad = 0
03:51.56batbotXinhuan: @ [string " Kel'Thuzad = 0"]:1: unfinished string near '<eof>'
03:54.19NechcknFolks.. a person in WoWWiki gets some sort of  "Accented characters" output suddenly...  anyone have any ideas?
03:54.46Nechcknthey claim to not have changed anything, downloaded anything, etc
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03:56.48SeerahI had a funny looking chat frame the other day.  it went away after a reload, nechckn
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03:57.11Seerahmorning, funky
03:57.40Nechcknkk Seerah, I'll ask 'em.. that is some whackey stuff!  thank you
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04:02.47|Jelly|So I died 39 times in that Kara. lol
04:04.25Lukianmage?
04:04.36|Jelly|priest
04:04.48Lukianwut? :o
04:04.53|Jelly|Yup.
04:09.30NightHawkTheSan1shadow?
04:11.42|Jelly|no
04:11.48|Jelly|!c burning legion jelly
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04:22.11Lukianomg I love php
04:22.28NightHawkTheSan1my sympathies.
04:22.32NightHawkTheSan1we all go through such phases
04:23.21Lukianhaha
04:24.00LukianI like how you can feed it a date in *any* format and it'll happily make it a unix timestamp
04:25.39NightHawkTheSan1hehe
04:25.52NightHawkTheSan1yeah, it has its nice bits :)
04:27.37ckknight01/02/03, Lukian, what date is that?
04:30.18Lukianhmm yeah, us and british date system might be fun to deal with
04:34.03ckknightLukian: and ISO
04:34.14ckknightthere's 3 standard ways to interpret it
04:34.36ckknightdd/mm/yy, mm/dd/yy, yy/mm/dd
04:36.20pastamancerthere's one true date format, and that's YYYY-MM-DD... and I can't remember the iso
04:37.02NightHawkTheSan1ymd ftw.
04:37.54ckknightpastamancer: ISO 8601
04:38.04ckknightYYYY-MM-DDTHH:MM:SS
04:38.11pastamancerreturn strftime("%a, %d %b %Y %H:%M:%S +0000", time)
04:38.22pastamancerthat's 8601
04:40.58pastamancerah, it covers YYYY-
04:41.02pastamancerMM-DD too
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05:45.12bleetahNom: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/05/23/2253890.htm
06:11.54duaiwehttp://www.fuckedupjapan.com/2008/15million-for-a-fucked-up-sculpture/ (nsfw)
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06:40.09Nommeh bleetah
06:40.22NomHere's a tip:
06:40.34NomPay your debts on time, then finance companies don't harass you.
06:40.48kergothpfft, crazy talk
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07:19.41[sync]ello?
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07:21.57Elessdyyo!
07:22.43Cairennhi
07:23.24[sync]!
07:23.26[sync]uhh
07:23.32[sync]well im testing out StunWatch
07:23.37[sync]the one i got off wowinterface didnt work
07:23.40[sync]checking curse
07:23.57[sync]mm
07:24.08[sync]oh and also
07:24.14[sync]currently im running a eqdkp site
07:24.21[sync]theres an addon used to import raids
07:24.50Elessdykinda wish i knew anything about any of that
07:25.11[sync]>.<
07:25.13[sync]ok..
07:25.14[sync]uhh
07:25.19[sync]im mining/eng
07:25.22[sync]i plan to drop one for JC
07:25.34[sync]my engineering is currently at 359
07:25.36[sync]im a rogue
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07:27.58Eriswhat addon do you need for your eqdkp site?
07:29.13Fisker-watch out Cairenn
07:30.37CairennFisker-: ?
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07:31.38Fisker-you were all like "hi"
07:31.55Cairennyeah ....
07:32.12Adysnice one cladhaire :P
07:32.40CairennFisker-: and?
07:32.41Fisker-that's one nasty chatbuffer right there Adys
07:32.53Fisker-oh i had little sleep so i dunno
07:32.54Adysindeed Fisker-
07:33.01Cairennoh, I know what that's all about
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07:43.36[sync].
07:44.02[sync]sigh
07:44.06[sync]dced and died in-game
07:47.06MentalPower|Worknight all
07:47.17Cairennnight MentalPower|ZZzz, sweet dreams
07:47.40MentalPower|ZZzz:)
07:52.28Drundiafrom work to zzzz instantly. i think you work too much :)
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08:04.04SinusPiHmm. With 2.4 we have the clickable QuestLinks with a Quest ID sewn in there - is there some not-yet-documented API call or event that uses those IDs anywhere else?
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08:05.42cladhaireSinusPi: you can load the tooltip with a quest
08:05.45cladhaireusing a quest hyperlink
08:05.50cladhairethat's the only API that can use them right now.
08:06.21SinusPitoo bad :/  thanks.
08:06.26Zurikif i have a datatable like this http://pastebin.com/d605503b7  how do i loop though it using  pairs() ?
08:06.38cladhaireSinusPi: what were you hoping to use them for?
08:06.45cladhaireLightHeaded lets you query quest information via qid
08:07.06cladhaireZurik: for idx,entry in ipairs(CharacterData) do print(entry.Name) end
08:07.11cladhairewould print all the names in that table
08:07.12SinusPicladhaire: telling "Quest In Chain [1]" apart from "Quest In Chain [1]" that follows it.
08:07.26cladhairewell telling them apart how?
08:07.27Zurikcladhaire: thanks!
08:07.33cladhaireyou get the QID of the selected entry
08:07.38cladhaireand you can track anythign you want
08:07.45cladhaireLightHeaded will give you full series information
08:07.46cladhaireif you want it
08:07.54cladhaireZurik: you can also easily sort the list of characters
08:08.01cladhairebecause of how you have it organized
08:08.12cladhairealso note, that print won't work in wow unless you have one defined (like WowLua)
08:08.41Zurikkk.. yeah I am just using DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(entry.name)
08:08.55Zurikhowever, i do have wowlua installed
08:09.12cladhairehuzzah :P
08:09.16cladhairethen you have a print() function
08:09.19cladhairewhich prints to the wowlua window
08:09.42SinusPicladhaire: hmm. I'll have to pick Lightheaded apart, then :)  Basically I need to detect what quest was picked up right now, and what QID it had. I guess it's possible as you've described, I'll dig into someone's code :)
08:09.46Zuriki don't know .. do i?  i've never used wowlua for that purpose.
08:10.25cladhaireSinusPi: well its somewhat tricky
08:10.37cladhairehold on a sec
08:10.47cladhaire!api QuestLink
08:10.53cladhaire*sigh*
08:11.03SinusPiI know the entry on wowwiki.
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08:11.11cladhaire!api QuestLink
08:11.14cladhaireeff wowwiki
08:11.28lua_botDocumentation for 'GetQuestLink' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetQuestLink
08:11.31SinusPioh.
08:11.46cladhaireSinusPi: what you can do is loop through all of the entries in the quest log
08:11.51cladhaireand pull the qid from the quest link that's returned
08:12.02cladhaireyou can use that to distinguish between different steps of quests with names
08:12.04SinusPiThat does it, easy as pie. Thank you!
08:12.08cladhairewelcome :P
08:12.10Zurikhrm.. getting o 'ipairs' (table expected, got nil)
08:12.23cladhaireZurik: because your table is local
08:12.34cladhaireZurik: if its local, the ipairs call needs to be in the same scope, or the table needs to be global
08:12.47Zurikgotcha
08:13.20[sync]anyone suggest a raid mod
08:13.38cladhaireSinusPi: i fixed the markup on that page, the pattern you need to match with is shown there, if you refresh
08:15.29[sync]..?
08:15.50cladhaire[sync]: ?
08:15.56[sync]huh?!
08:16.05cladhaireoh, you're asking for someone to suggest a raid mod
08:16.09cladhairewhat kind of raid mod would you like?
08:16.55[sync]im not too sure
08:17.00[sync]compact
08:17.03[sync]shows all members
08:17.03cladhaireare you looking for unit frames?
08:17.07[sync]even though im not a healer
08:17.18Zurikare there case statements in lua?
08:17.23cladhaireperfectraid/grid/aguf/pitbull
08:17.26Zurikor do you just have to do lots of elseif's?
08:17.34[sync]mm
08:17.38cladhaireZurik: no, you can do quite a number of things to get around it tho
08:17.41[sync]i really got no clue what you guys are talking about
08:17.41[sync]haha
08:17.44cladhairewhat are you matching on, text?  numbers?
08:17.50[sync]actually
08:17.54[sync]since im
08:17.56[sync]mm
08:17.59[sync]advise rogue raid addons :D
08:18.09Zurikwell i have possible 10 characters.
08:18.26Zurikand for each one.. i am displaying another character graphic.
08:18.43cladhairewell you could make a switch table
08:18.47Zurikbut since the positioning is specific for each character.. i have to check to see if it exists.
08:18.52Zurikwhat's that?
08:19.08cladhairejust a lookup table basically
08:19.19cladhairefor example:
08:19.19Zurikyou got some pastey or a doc i can look at?
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08:19.45cladhairegimme a second
08:19.57Zuriksync: don't worry.. i have no clue what i'm talking about half the time :P
08:20.00cladhairewaiting for pastebin to load
08:20.04Zurikcladhaire: kk.
08:20.07Arrowmasterlocal var = tbl[input]; if var then ... end
08:20.10Zurikyeah, it's been slow lately huh.
08:20.19cladhaireArrowmaster: even easier,
08:20.44Arrowmasterits kinda like a case statement
08:21.06Zuriktbl[input]  where input is what?
08:21.16cladhairehttp://pastey.net/88248
08:21.16Zurikmy table name? or key?
08:21.18cladhairefor example
08:21.21cladhairethen you would do
08:21.29cladhaireswitchTbl["CharacterName"}()
08:21.33cladhairethat's one way to do it
08:21.59Zurikhrm.. that's nice..
08:22.06Zurikbut i won't know the character names.
08:22.13cladhairewhy not?
08:22.19Zuriki just know there could be 1 - 10.
08:22.26cladhairecould you paste your code on pastey.net/
08:22.29cladhairepastebin isn't loading for me.
08:22.32Zuriksure.
08:22.41Zuriksec.
08:23.16Arrowmasteri made cladhaire's better
08:23.24cladhaireTHERE IS NO BETTER
08:23.28cladhaireONLY ZUUL
08:23.40MoonWorkTHERE IS ONLY ZUUL
08:23.40Arrowmasterno its better now
08:23.42Zuriki'm going to sick the ghostbusters on you :P
08:24.07Zurikhttp://pastey.net/88250
08:24.24Zurikso this is my datatable.
08:24.33cladhaireokay
08:24.33MoonWorkit has data]
08:24.48cladhaireand what happens then
08:24.54Zuriki'm working on that part.. sec.
08:26.17Zurikhttp://pastey.net/88251
08:26.21Zurikthere ..
08:26.58cladhairewhat does this do? self:CreateCharacterItemFrame()
08:27.14ZurikCreates a button which contains the characterdata
08:27.26cladhaireand thats where you need different info based on which character?
08:27.39[sync]mm
08:27.40Zurikit's not done yet.. but self:CreateCharacterItemFrame(name, race, class ..etc.)
08:27.45Zurikyep.
08:27.55Zuriki want to pass the info to the function
08:27.59[sync]so
08:28.06[sync]no one got any suggestions for rogue raid addons?
08:28.10cladhaireyou can just pass it then Zurik
08:28.13cladhaireas arguments to that function
08:28.22cladhairebetter yet, you could store the specific information in the tables, and send those as well
08:28.43Zurikwell there is just a little more tricky than that.
08:28.59Zurikcuz.. like the SetPoint is different for each button
08:29.10Arrowmasteryou have the index for that though
08:29.10Zuriklike 1 - 10  all have different SetPoints
08:29.11cladhaireso store the arguments
08:29.19cladhaireyou can store all of this, and send it
08:29.22cladhaireor just send the entry table.
08:29.29Arrowmasterfor the 1-10 thats what the tables for
08:29.40Zurikyeah, but the info from the datatable comes from my website.
08:29.48Erishas anyone of you a alpha key of wotlk and know if bliz plan to change anything about addons  because every addon I try to load ends up with unsecure and could not be loaded
08:29.55Zurikso there is no way for my website to know the setpoints of the addon.
08:30.16cladhaireEris: 1.) if you have an alpha key, you should not be acknowledging or discussing it
08:30.21Arrowmasterthe setpoint is different depending on if its 1-10 right?
08:30.23cladhaire2.) you shoudl ask Blizzard if something isn't working
08:30.33cladhairevia the feedback UI, same as any PTR/Beta/Alpha
08:30.57Erisyeah but european people are fucked up because they can't login to the forum...
08:31.01Arrowmasterthe 1-10 thing is what you wanted a case statement for right?
08:31.10cladhaireuse the feedback ui
08:31.14ZurikArrow: yeah
08:31.28Arrowmasterhow often is this getting called?
08:31.44Zurikonce per time the user logs in
08:31.56Arrowmastermeh if/elseif/else it
08:31.57Zurikor reloadsui
08:32.07Zurikyeah, that's what i was thinking.
08:32.13[sync]>.<
08:32.15Zurikit's ugly.. but will work.
08:32.16Zuriklol
08:32.19Arrowmasteror if you want to reduce repeated code store the setpoint values in a table indexed 1-10
08:32.36Zuriki like that tbl lookup thing.. i'll be using that for some other stuff tho.
08:33.01Zurikif you want to see what i'm working on arrow .. visit http://wowcorefive.com
08:33.14Zurikand Clad you too :D
08:33.25[sync]...
08:33.37[sync]did anyone see my question? are you just cbf answering me?
08:33.54ZurikI don't have a rogue.. or i'd answer
08:34.00cladhairepeople HAVE answered you
08:34.04cladhairei gave you five different addons
08:34.09cladhaireso.. go look them up and stop being rude.
08:34.14Zurikgoogle it sync.. there is tuns of stuff out there.
08:34.32[sync]roger.
08:34.51[sync]Thought you guys will be experience in this thought of stuff, so i came here for my one-stop :S
08:34.59ZurikArrow: Cladhaire:  check out my project.. tell me what you guys think of it :)
08:35.08cladhaire[sync]: i gave you a bunch of answers
08:35.58[sync]sorry
08:36.28[sync]could you re-type them
08:36.29[sync]thanks
08:36.33[sync]one of them was grid
08:36.35[sync]ive tried that
08:36.38cladhaireperfectraid, grid, aguf, pitbull
08:38.10MoonWorkyou are a rogue
08:38.19MoonWorkthere is very little you need to know about the raid as a whole
08:38.51Arrowmasterrogues tend to be one of the easyer classes to create those uis with almost nothing on them
08:39.04MoonWorkget your bossmods, maybe a threat meter, a set of raid frames like perfectraid
08:39.05MoonWorkdone.
08:39.10[sync]yeah, thats what i was wondering
08:39.12[sync]thanks moon
08:39.13[sync]uhh
08:39.13[sync]also
08:39.17[sync]whats the in-game dkp mod thing
08:39.21[sync]its like an in-game database
08:39.26[sync]instead of website (eqdkp)
08:39.32MoonWorknot a clue
08:39.35MoonWorknever used such a thing
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08:39.55Arrowmasterand most of them are buggy (like eqdkp)
08:40.13matteshi all, how can i get mouse position when an Onclick Event is fired by a button ?
08:40.22Zurikquestion  can you do this?  self["CharacterItemFrame" .. 0] as the same thing as self.CharacterItemFrame0
08:40.35Arrowmasteryes
08:40.44Zurikomg really?
08:40.47cladhaireno, you'd need to getglobal()
08:40.51cladhaireoh
08:40.53cladhaireyes
08:40.54cladhairei lied
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08:41.10Zurikself["CharacterItemFrame" .. idx - 1] would that work too?
08:41.35Arrowmasteryeah
08:41.53Arrowmasteralthough maybe you should just start your indexing from 1 instead of 0
08:41.54Zurikok.. just found a way to simplify this entire process thx!
08:42.08Zurikyeah.. going to change that now.
08:42.09Zurik:D
08:42.12Zurikjust because of this.
08:42.24Arrowmastereverything in lua starts at 1 instead of 0
08:42.47mattesmouse position too ? hehe just a jike
08:42.48[sync]<@cladhaire> i lied - LOL
08:43.11Zurikheh
08:43.19Drundiawhat's funny in it?
08:43.24[sync]he lied.
08:43.29[sync]and its blunt.
08:43.42mattestrying to get the mouse pointer position when the Onclick event is fired by a button, how can i do that plz ?
08:43.44cladhairei was wrong
08:43.45Arrowmastermattes: sec ill answer your question
08:43.48cladhairebut i gave incorrect information
08:43.52cladhaireand yes, i'm blunt.
08:43.53mattesk thx
08:44.07[sync]oh thats right
08:44.12[sync]whats another mod for stunwatch
08:44.52Drundiamattes, GetCursorPosition()
08:44.54[sync]and also...
08:45.10[sync]when i make the screen smaller with the ui scale thing, how can i still make the chatbox big
08:45.10[sync]thanks
08:45.12Arrowmasteryeah that sounds like it
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08:45.20Arrowmasteri was searching the api for mouse
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08:46.18Arrowmasterhttp://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetCursorPosition
08:46.26cladhaire!api GetCursorPosition
08:46.27cladhaire:P
08:46.27lua_botDocumentation for 'GetCursorPosition' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetCursorPosition
08:46.48Arrowmasterwowwiki explains it better
08:46.53cladhaireindeed
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08:46.59cladhairewhich means we need to elaborate on wowprogramming
08:46.59cladhaire:P
08:47.02Arrowmasterand afaik we cant copy your site
08:47.08mattesthx a lot
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08:47.12cladhairewell, who is "we"
08:47.16cladhaireand why would you want to copy it?
08:47.19Arrowmastersuch as creating intellitext for editors
08:47.25Drundia"Sputnik ran but failed due to an unexpected error."
08:47.30cladhaire...
08:47.34cladhaireDrundia: what error
08:47.39cladhaireArrowmaster: Actually, I can give you anything you want
08:47.55Arrowmastercladhaire: well yeah you would have to give everybody permission to do that
08:48.00cladhairehuh?
08:48.04cladhairewhat are you talking about
08:48.05Arrowmasterbut its copyright by default
08:48.22Arrowmaster"The API Reference section of this website is copyright John Wiley & Sons."
08:48.22cladhaireHuh?
08:48.25Drundiacladhaire, i just saw that for  http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetCursorPosition :D
08:48.35cladhaireDrundia: yes, and what was the error
08:48.43cladhaireArrowmaster: You seem confused.
08:48.46cladhaireI can give you anything you want
08:48.49Drundiai don't remember any more...
08:48.56cladhaireDrundia: ... thanks?
08:49.03Drundiasomething about mysql
08:49.06cladhaireplease report errors when you encounter them?.
08:49.07KalrothSputnik ran but failed due to an unexpected error.
08:49.07KalrothError details: .../sputnik-auth-mysql/cvs-1/lua/sputnik/auth/mysql.lua:205: LuaSQL: Error executing query. MySQL: MySQL server has gone away
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08:49.25Drundiayes, could be something like that :)
08:49.30Zurikit's  two "."  for concat  right or is it three?
08:49.34Arrowmastercladhaire: yes but anybody wanting to use it would need to ask for permission right
08:49.45cladhaireno?
08:49.47ArrowmasterZurik: 2
08:49.51cladhaireif i release an intellisense file
08:49.56cladhairei have rights to release that
08:50.02Arrowmastertrue
08:50.02cladhaireunder any license i choose
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08:52.00wereHamstercladhaire, you have the right, but only you. If I wanted to integrate the api documentation into my own uber lua editor I'd have to ask you
08:52.07cladhaireyes?
08:52.07cladhaireso
08:52.35cladhairei would need to generate the file for you anyway
08:52.41cladhairewhich i can do, because ours isn't a wiki.. its a database
08:52.58Arrowmasterand you would yell at us for datamining the entire site wouldnt you
08:53.07cladhaire...
08:53.11cladhairewhy is it a problem to ask?
08:53.15[sync]mm
08:53.21cladhairelike.. what is the problem here?
08:53.47Arrowmasternot a problem for us, but maybe for other people that dont know you and dont know that you would do it
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08:54.00cladhaireso i post it and make it explicit
08:54.11wereHamster10:49 < Arrowmaster> cladhaire: yes but anybody wanting to use it would need to ask for permission right
08:54.14wereHamster10:49 <@cladhaire> no?
08:54.14[sync]clad, would you happen to know if there if an addon to increase chat/battle logs after the ui scale has been reduced (to create space for perfectraid)
08:54.21wereHamsterwhy the 'no' then?
08:54.28bleetahgod... I join and clad's being explicit.. i should /part
08:54.28cladhairewereHamster: I took that as using the autocompletion..
08:54.30cladhairei.e. the users
08:54.38bleetah:P
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08:56.07Arrowmasterbah i need more stuff in my playlist, nothing to listen to
08:56.15cladhairei would have liked to have more flexibility in the license, but wowwiki causes way too many problems
08:56.36[sync]>.<
08:57.12cladhaireIts FDL which means you can use it, but it also means that wikia can sell it to anyone they want\
08:57.13Arrowmasteri like wowwiki but i know exactly what the problem with it is
08:57.15cladhaireI happen to disagree with that
08:57.20cladhaireamong other things
08:57.29cladhaireplus, our documentation is more comprehensive, especially with the new stuff.
08:57.46Arrowmasterproblem being that programers dont make the best documenters
08:57.47wereHamsterhow about CC?
08:58.09cladhairei couldn't get the publisher to buy into CC
08:58.10cladhairebut i'm working on it
08:58.15Arrowmasterand i bet a lot of us dont like making stuff pretty for a wiki
08:58.24cladhairewell thats why wowprogramming is nice
08:58.27cladhaireyou just edit a lua table
08:58.29cladhaireplain and simple
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08:59.09[sync]clad, would you happen to know if there if an addon to increase chat/battle logs after the ui scale has been reduced (to create space for perfectraid)
08:59.18Zuirkerr.. i hate stupid D'cs
08:59.21cladhaireno, you'd need to resize it
08:59.28[sync]ah
08:59.32Arrowmaster[sync]: resize and change the font size
08:59.52[sync]thank you
08:59.55[sync]change font size
08:59.57[sync]seperate addon?
08:59.58[sync]or..
09:00.01Arrowmasterno
09:00.05Arrowmasterdefault ui
09:09.39Zuirkso i'm getting an error:  http://pastey.net/88255
09:09.47Zuirk'<name>' expected near '['
09:10.02Zuirkon line 10
09:10.23wereHamsterself["..."]
09:10.33Arrowmasterno .
09:10.47wereHamstereither self.foo or self["foo"]
09:11.02Zuirkyeah.. but i'm concating.
09:11.17Zuirkthe itorator into the name of the element.
09:11.19Arrowmasterdoesnt matter
09:11.24Zuirkitarator*
09:11.31Zuirkdamn.. i don't know how to spell that. lol
09:11.34wereHamsterself["CharacterItemFrame" .. idx]
09:11.53ZuirkOMG.. i see.
09:12.01Zuirkgotcha
09:12.18Arrowmasterwtf why did my router reboot 1 day ago
09:12.24Zuirklol
09:12.42Mr_Rabies2power flicker? :O
09:12.45Zuirkmy modem has been doing rolling restarts ever hour for like last day and 1/2.
09:12.48Arrowmasteroh well, now that it doesnt have 80+ days uptime i guess ill upgrade the firmware
09:12.48[sync]Another question: Im a rogue with mining375 and eng 359, which one should i drop for Jewelcrafting?
09:12.49Zuirki can't seem to figure it out.
09:12.53Zuirkit's irritating.
09:13.03Zuirkeng IMO
09:13.09[sync]uh huh
09:13.16[sync]and reasons? or just dont like eng?
09:13.24Mr_Rabies2jc requires mining
09:13.26Zuirkreason.. is you need mini
09:13.28Mr_Rabies2to do well
09:13.29Zuirkyep.
09:13.45Zuirkother wise you have to pay gold up the wazoo to get the mats just to lvl it.
09:14.30bleetahso true
09:15.41[sync]lol
09:15.44bleetahor, alternatively, just start levelling an alt as a miner and have yourself as a JC/Engi
09:15.49[sync]estimate 1-300?
09:15.56bleetahlots
09:16.00[sync]1000? 2000?
09:16.30bleetahfind a skillup guide, then look at the total mats required to skillup. then check your realm's AH prices.
09:16.41[sync]yeah ive found one off the wow forums
09:16.42[sync]>.<
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09:32.31Zurikok.. so i'm getting the same error
09:33.24Zurik'<name>' expected near '['
09:33.37Zuriknm.. i found it.
09:33.40Zurikmissed a spot :D
09:34.55Arrowmasteri love QoS, updated my router firmware and now i can prioritize ACK SYN FIN and RST packets
09:37.23bleetahK guys, you all know about the recent ban wave. Of course, people ahve been trying to blame AddOns when posting to Blizz's Customer Support Forum. I've been kinda working up a big form 'reply' to use against such allegations, and this is basically the 'best' very I've used so far. I'm eager to hear back any comments, good/bad, about what I've written.
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09:37.27bleetah<PROTECTED>
09:37.48Zurikhey wen doing a compare  like  entry.faction == "Horde"  but the datatable has it as "HORDE"  is it case sensitive?
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09:39.36MoonWorkbleetha while your tone is rather aggresive, it looks good to me.
09:39.44SnagoZurik: Yes, it's case sensetive..
09:39.51Zurikthx.
09:39.57Snagolua> "Horde" == "HORDE"
09:39.57lua_botSnago: false
09:40.44Zurikoh that's neat snago.
09:41.07bleetahMoonWork: thx for the reply.. if you wanted and excercise in brainpain, feel free to read the previous pages of that thread. I shall, however, re-edit to take the aggressive tone out, so that it can be used in any similar thread whether there's 2 pages of brainpain previous, or not :)
09:41.24[dRaCo]iirc, there's something like a case insensitive compare
09:41.46bleetahor, for that matter, half a dozen other threads kicking around with exactly the same allegation, which is what the Bot sites had been telling folks to claim to Accounts Admin... /sigh aargh lol
09:41.51MoonWorki think i'll pass on reading that thread.
09:42.05bleetahMoonWork: for the sake of your sanity, I'm glad you pass ;)
09:43.07wereHamster[dRaCo], only if you write such function yourself
09:43.53[dRaCo]oh... my bad
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09:50.53bleetahg'day zoot.. chili con carne's almost ready.. want some?
09:51.12bleetahor anyone else, for that matter
09:51.23ZootfizzleMmmh, that sounds pretty good actually, freezing over here
09:51.52bleetahkk, mm... will dcc it over soon as it's ready, k, just set yer autoaccpt on
09:53.18SnagoYou could do something like..
09:53.20Snagolua> ("Horde"):lower() == ("HoRdE"):lower()
09:53.20lua_botSnago: true
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10:01.22ArrowmasterZootfizzle: i bet you cant guess what im listening to right now
10:03.47Fisker-;_;
10:03.54Fisker-that penny arcade game is bad :(
10:04.11MoonWorkunsuprising.
10:04.12Arrowmasterhow bad?
10:04.31Fisker-I can't progress because the game is poorly developed-bad
10:05.03Arrowmasterfind a bug?
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10:05.45Fisker-LOL
10:05.54Fisker-the savegame is an object
10:06.01Fisker-new GameState(PAAGameState) {
10:06.02Fisker-<PROTECTED>
10:06.03Fisker-:DDD
10:06.29Arrowmasterwait
10:06.38Arrowmasterthe save game file is code?
10:07.08Fisker-yeah
10:07.17Arrowmastergee i wonder what could go wrong there
10:07.32Arrowmasterespecially with all those websites that you can download savegames from
10:08.02wereHamsterthere's little point in trying to obfuscate the savegame files. People will reverse-engineer it sooner or later...
10:08.25wereHamstersame with copy protections.. but developers don't seem to get it
10:08.28Arrowmasteryeah but theres a difference between obfuscating and making it directly loaded code
10:08.39Zuirkhow do i change font text size?
10:08.45Arrowmastersomebody could easyly upload a savegame thats actually a virus or something
10:08.57Zuirknm.. found it.
10:08.59Fisker-yeah
10:09.08Fisker-technically you could make one of the variables a method i guess
10:10.07Arrowmasterif you dont want to bother obfuscating then use something like xml, not direclty loading code
10:10.39Arrowmasterit kinda follows the rules of always sanitizing your inputs
10:11.36Arrowmasterhttp://xkcd.com/327/
10:16.48bleetahArrowmaster: an oldie, but a goodie thx for the smile :)
10:17.15Arrowmasteri should get my middle name changed to DROP DATABASE
10:17.21bleetahlol
10:18.49Arrowmasterand now im going to go watch Kara no Kyoukai
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10:24.03Fisker-haha
10:24.04Fisker-it worked
10:25.54Fisker-http://i32.tinypic.com/9pn8mh.jpg
10:28.44Snagolol
10:28.57SnagoWhat language is it?
10:30.49Fisker-C#
10:30.55Fisker-hmm
10:31.01Fisker-can't execute code though :(
10:32.04foxlitBased on the segment in your screenshot, it could be anything
10:32.20foxlitincluding something that is sanely parsed by some text operation
10:32.51Fisker-well they have a preferences class in a .cs file
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10:33.16Zuirkanyone have a ref where i can find a listing of fontString Types?
10:33.48foxlitFrameXML/Fonts.xml
10:34.04foxlitalthough that really depends on what you mean by "Types"
10:34.23Zuirk"GameFontHighlightSmallOutline"  etc...
10:34.34foxlittemplates, then
10:34.40foxlitFrameXML/Fonts.xml, go look
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10:35.49Zuirkis there a way to tell what they all look like?
10:37.24Drundia:SetFont to them and see
10:41.51ZyuuBy the way, yesterday I sent out an email about CurseForge and Curse and I made a very stupid mistake, if you were on that list and got the email, you noticed I forgot to use the bcc feature (I was in a rush and I've never manually mass emailed before)
10:41.59ZyuuI'm very sorry for not using BCC :/
10:42.09ZyuuSo if we ever email again, mass emailer will be used
10:42.42bleetahoO I never got a mail from you :(
10:42.48bleetahI wanna be on the CC list ;) lol
10:42.51ZyuuIt went out to authors
10:42.59bleetahoh, that's OK then
10:43.03bleetahI'm just average scum :D
10:43.08ZyuuIt's still stupid.
10:43.18ZyuuBut to be frank, I've never mass emailed before. The thought didnt even hit me
10:43.48bleetahmeh, it's the sort of thing a mass emailer (as in a human not a program) makes a mistake at once, and never really forgets
10:44.05bleetahusually due to the torrent of 'wtf you expose my address publicly for????' replies it generates ;)
10:44.29Zuirkthis all i need for a button OnClick?  charframe:SetScript("OnClick", function() character_OnClick(entry) end)
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11:03.04Zyuubleetah, yeah.
11:03.11bleetahgod damn people visiting CSF are lucky it's not interactive... I'd be punching holes in faces by now
11:03.14ZyuuIt should be okay, although I feel very bad about it
11:03.18Zyuulol, how so.
11:03.32bleetahZyuu: the crap from those caught in the ban wave
11:04.08bleetahZyuu: policy in customer support is to do your best to believe any story a customer tells you.. so you be all patient, and work through all the steps.. goes from the son's friend brought a computer around that might've had a bot on....
11:04.29bleetah.... three page later and the idiot shows his n52 macro with a freakin 'delay 5mins' in it
11:04.47bleetahI'm like all ready to get a forum suspension with a big stfu & gtfo
11:05.50ZyuuHahah
11:05.54ZyuuSigh
11:05.56ZyuuSome people
11:05.59bleetahand that's just this one specific case
11:06.06bleetahit's been like it since the banwave hit
11:06.06ZyuuBah I'm annoyed I didn't use bcc still ;x
11:06.09bleetahpoor forum GMs :(
11:06.15ZyuuIt's rough yeah
11:06.46bleetahus players, we just contemplate a forum suspension for telling these people 'where the hell do you think you get off'... poor employees can't say what they really think
11:08.02ZyuuOf course they can't :p
11:08.07Zyuuthere's always people posting without thinking
11:08.12Zyuubut you have to maintain a cool head at all times
11:09.16bleetahit's also a CSF GM newbie's first week solo.. bet she's loving it hahaha
11:09.52Zyuushe'll change her mind ;p
11:11.54bleetahbest one I've seen so far, though, was this multiboxer blaming their addons for one account being banned, and the other not... about 6 pages later she blurts out words similar to 'nah, the guy i got the banned account from said he never botted'
11:12.33Arrowmasterlol
11:12.56wereHamster"idiot shows his n52 macro with a freakin 'delay 5mins' in it" - link pls :)
11:14.56bleetahhttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6765857049&sid=1&pageNo=4 post #70
11:15.44ZyuuThe funny part with a g15 keyboard
11:15.49ZyuuI tried a free to play mmo called Lunia
11:15.55Zyuuthat game is all about combos in pvp
11:16.01Zyuui.e use ability 1 and 2 in a chain etc
11:16.11Zyuuso just for fun, I set up a macro with all abilities that I wanted to use
11:16.16Zyuuit destroyed everyone :(
11:16.19Zyuu(using G15)
11:16.39bleetahwish I knew who wrote that 'itsg15binder' on wowinterface
11:16.44Zyuuso some people really need to understand that using extensive macros really is cheating
11:16.47bleetahI'd buy the person a year's supply of drinks
11:16.55Zyuulol, what does it do?
11:17.07bleetahprovides key mapping in WOW for the g15
11:17.22ZyuuNice nice
11:17.24bleetahselect an action bar spell, press the g15 key you want it bound to
11:17.26bleetahdone
11:17.35bleetah*spell/macro
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11:19.51Zyuuwell
11:20.32ZyuuIt's very easy to tell the difference.. I hope =p
11:23.16bleetahZyuu: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=8393
11:24.10Zyuulooks pretty sweet
11:24.11Zyuuok
11:24.17Zyuugonna grab something to eat and stuff
11:24.27Zyuusorry again to anyone that is upset over bcc not being used for the email I sent out
11:24.28bleetahooh, reminds me...
11:24.40Zyuufeel free to spread the word and say it was a mistake by me =p
11:24.43ZyuuI'll take the heat.
11:24.46bleetah<PROTECTED>
11:24.48Zyuuit's no automatic email, etc
11:24.54Zyuummm
11:24.57Zyuuid like that
11:25.01bleetahZyuu: will do, if I see anyone complaining
11:25.08ZyuuThanks bleetah
11:25.19bleetahZyuu: I'll see if there's any left for you after I dish the first round out :)
11:26.33ZyuuThere will be
11:26.35ZyuuI sent 3800 emails.
11:26.40ZyuuI give it weeks.
11:27.09mikmahttp://kuvaton.com/bshit/argentina.jpg <- that freaking rules
11:27.42bleetahdamint, why the hell is it that every time recently I've sat down to a good night's game of WoW, the telly's got yet another quality BBC drama on???
11:27.56Zyuulol
11:27.59Zyuutheir way of saying
11:28.00ZyuuWATCH US
11:33.59Lunessa... quality drama, you're not getting that in guild chat?
11:34.45wereHamsterbleetah: omg he's stupid. "This is not botting by any definition, Maybe in your mind yes." - This is botting by Blizzard's definition. You don't play by your rules, you play by Blizzard's rules. If you have problems accepting that, sue them. That really is all you can do.
11:36.44bleetahwereHamster: and he's STILL going
11:37.03Lunessahttp://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/05/22/funny-pictures-dis-iz-not-a-good-time/
11:38.12bleetahLunessa: lol
11:38.55LunessaI can only imagine that the kid's parents are having trouble holding the camera still while they laugh.
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12:15.38Lunessahttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6757867106&postId=67571595394&sid=1#0
12:19.13bleetahLunessa: oh god, thankyou! I'll try and get that linked from the GM's Customer Support Forum. I'll also report it for sticky :)
12:19.43LunessaI'm just sick of answering it every day.  So I thought I'd write it once. :)
12:20.00bleetahI'm sick of trying to explain the state of Vista on CSF every day ;)
12:22.25bleetahLunessa: and here's the gratuitous crosspost for you http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6762837127&sid=1
12:23.01LunessaLOL
12:23.16bleetahI know CSF has been looking for good info like what you've written for quite some time
12:23.43bleetahinsofar as just the regulars providing help, and the more technically literate GMs who like to try to diagnose addon problems before passing the thing over to the UI/Macro forum
12:24.24LunessaYeah, I just loved that you quoted my IRC comment.
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12:28.10bleetahLunessa: about the only comment I'd have on your post, is that you don't mention that moving the install folder around will not break add/remove programs for you - afaik registry settings are checked/fixed at runtime.
12:28.28LunessaGood point.  I'll edit.
12:28.56bleetahsoz, should've mentioned earlier.. was too excited about having a nice doc covering it hehe
12:29.04bleetaher s/it/vista/
12:30.30Shirik|Work"If you are allergic to installers and GUIs or haven't sufficient bandwidth you can also download the binaries in a zip (2.2M)"
12:30.31Shirik|Worklol
12:30.45LunessaI just added that, and noted that it might also help with patching.
12:31.01bleetahoh yeah good touch
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12:51.56wereHamsterwhat for does wow need the registry anyway...
12:52.59LunessaJust silly junk like AppPath
12:53.32LunessaAnd I think it queries for video settings.
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12:57.01bleetahI thought it was just for the apppath, but am prepared to believe the video thing
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13:06.14Maldivia*yawn*
13:06.27Shirik|WorkThis is a nice warning http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/sa28fef8.aspx
13:06.39Shirik|Work"We decided not to implement this. Use our compiler-specific version instead"
13:08.30Maldiviaheh
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13:09.29LunessaHubris, we haz it.
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13:11.39wereHamsterto query video settings through the registry? why not use the win32 api (EnumDisplaySettings) ?
13:12.13LunessawereHamster: O
13:12.39LunessawereHamster: I'm not sure it does more than AppPath, honestly.  I'm not at a machine I can check either.
13:12.46MaldiviaI know the addonkit reads the install directory from the registry, to figure out where to find the mpq files to extract from
13:13.54LunessaMy point was just that WoW will update any registry settings at run-time.
13:17.13Maldiviait only updates the installPath - the path to launcher, unistall file etc are not updated
13:17.54LunessaGood thing I'm a lazy bastard then, and just copy my complete install from one machine to another...
13:18.06Lunessa100Mbit ethernet FTW
13:21.08sacarascso, when do people think we will be fighting Sargeras?
13:22.41LunessaExpac 3 - Sodomized by Sargeras.
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13:23.31MaldiviaI'm often fighting the Horde of Sargeras... does that count?
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13:47.00DARKGuymornin' :)
13:47.23LopeppeppyHeyo.
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13:57.18DARKGuy:D
14:00.37DARKGuyHuh, this might not be very UI-related, but I'd like your opinion about the subject... me and my friends started a guild about 4 months ago, we were a very closed group and slowly we've been adding friends, and those friends have requested to add more friends and such. We've been growing a lot recently, and we've been having some meetings about it. One of the points that make me twitch (lol) is the AddOn disorded. Everybody uses different versions and
14:00.37DARKGuyaddons and it makes it really hard sometimes when you go tanking (some don't have LibThreat :( ) or they ninja without even knowing (I think they need StatStain) or stuff like that, you know. My point is, now that we're thinking into making the guild more serious... should our guildmates use a small, generic addon pack, and those who don't get kicked, or what?
14:00.56DARKGuy*disorder
14:01.55foxlitRecommend, do not mandate.
14:02.41sacarascwe've had a rogue in SSC with no libthreat thing at all...
14:03.02sacarasconly noticed it when we were fighting lurker and the adds came up
14:03.22DARKGuyyeah, that isn't fair, but my opinion on the subject is that if they're willing to be active on the forum and raids and such, and willing to spend some thought on the needs of the guild, I don't think that downloading a .zip file and extracting it is too much brainwork for them.
14:03.24foxlitIt generally isn't needed; you're better off filtering on performance rather than addn usage
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14:05.04DARKGuyTrue, but some addons can improve guild performance and coordination, imho
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14:08.16LopeppeppyAddons will not make them more aware players, for the loot issues.  Threat meters are more useful and generally acceptable.
14:08.22foxlitIf that opinion is actually humble, go post a topic in guild forums on why you'd want them to run any particular addon - enforcing usage is silly.
14:09.20DARKGuyLopeppeppy: well the issue isn't reallt for loot or meters, it was just an example.... I'm aiming towards a more general topic, which is addons themselves, not just some specific ones
14:09.23DARKGuy*really
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14:10.51DARKGuyfoxlit: well not forcing it, but encouraging is more what I want - I'm tired of explaining addons and suggesting, already made three threads about different ones, nobody gives a shiz -.-
14:11.14LopeppeppyIf they dont' care and you do, there is an essential mismatch of playstyle.
14:11.37mikmawomen! don't you just love the way this man undresses the woman? - http://www.break.com/index/woman-stripped-by-mechanical-shovel.html
14:11.59LopeppeppyJust reading the link I say 'no'.
14:12.17mikmathat's a perfect way ro get woman naked
14:12.34LopeppeppyNo.
14:12.39DARKGuyrofl
14:12.43DARKGuythat's some skill
14:13.13LopeppeppyI don't deny that, DARKGuy.  I just deny that it's in any way nice.
14:13.38mikmai'm sure you would be hot for that guy if he did the same for you
14:13.49LopeppeppyNope.
14:13.51DARKGuylol
14:14.07LopeppeppyUm, Peppy points for like, using his hands and touching me instead of the long distance power tool approach.
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14:14.14frophello
14:14.35DARKGuyLopeppeppy: well that's more nice :P
14:14.50LopeppeppyLike I said.
14:14.58fropis there any mod to measure effective dps in a given session? like making test at DrBoom
14:15.14LopeppeppyTons of damage meters have that option, frop.
14:15.23froplike recount?
14:15.42fropusing it...but i miss the feeling
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14:16.34LopeppeppySee?
14:16.45ckknighthehe
14:16.49DARKGuyxD
14:17.11Lopeppeppyfrop, I use Violation. There's also SW Stats, maybe a few others.  Check them out.
14:17.29fropaye
14:17.49fropjust changed spec...and i'm still struggling with it
14:18.09fropmissing I.W.I.N. button rly
14:19.19LopeppeppyYou'll get the hang back.  It takes a week or so, with some time spent in raids/PvP/etc, to really get your groove.
14:19.25LunessaRecount, Violation, SW States, etc.
14:20.11fropLopeppeppy eheh, rotation will be the biggest problem i guess
14:20.25fropi'm just used to smash the 1:1 macro ^^
14:21.00LopeppeppyThen see if you can make a /castsequence macro that is effective.  Probably not, if you're using a tricky rotation, but still.
14:21.10fropnaah
14:21.27fropi guess i'll continue to smash the 1:1 macro, popping specials when needed
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14:23.19LunessaI just mash the keyboard with my forehead over and over.
14:23.20fropreading Elitist Jerks thread is a pain (85 pages) :)
14:23.30DARKGuywhat thread?
14:23.37fropmmmh
14:23.50frophttp://elitistjerks.com/f31/t12346-hunter_survival_raiding_2_1_a
14:24.15frophttp://elitistjerks.com/f31/t12346-hunter_survival_raiding_2_1_a/p1/ maybe
14:24.37LopeppeppySorren has some interesting hunter rotation addons to explore.
14:25.05fropthe visual shots thinghy?
14:25.24fropgraphing shots duration/history?
14:25.26LopeppeppyI think so.  My hunter is very young, so I'm only marginally aware of the good raiding tools that hunters in my raid use.
14:26.01fropwell, after you shoot for 100days...you get used to CDs :)
14:26.32fropalthought could be useful to see clipping
14:27.32LopeppeppyWhich I understand is a very important issue for hunters maximizing their DPS
14:27.41fropyup
14:27.52fropas BM is easy...
14:27.58frop...just Auto/steady
14:28.05frophard to clip shots
14:28.30bleetahshows how much I care aobut my hunter, he's MM lol
14:28.30fropbut as survival, it gets triky
14:28.52fropeheh, MM is deprecated for raiding end content...
14:29.12fropsomeone says it's viable at T6 lvl...but i personally doubt it
14:29.39bleetahguild's barely in SSC, so I guess it *really* don't matter ;)
14:29.53fropit does :)
14:30.06froprespecc BM and your DPS will be +1/3
14:30.14fropor 30% ^^
14:30.49fropohh...with a dps pet naturally
14:31.03bleetahmight give it a go this weekend, and not tell the guild... they're so clueless about hunters, I'm the class lead and well I've just shown how much I know haha
14:31.26bleetahain't really seriously played him since around 2.1 anyways, when I started my alt levelling
14:31.35fropeheh, most guilds don't count hunters as @good@ damage dealers
14:31.50Seerahlol bleetah
14:32.05fropbut in ssc/tk they outdamage mages/rogues/warlocks
14:32.24fropgive them sp/feral/shaman and they'll shine
14:32.47bleetahoh well, I'm in luck.. I already have a levelled DPS pet
14:33.04fropcat/ravager
14:33.15fropused a cat till last week...
14:33.22bleetahwill prolly need to keep my improved traps, coz generally guild's still abit touchy on CC
14:33.29frop...then respecced surv with an owl cause the ap reduction :)
14:33.43froplol, not is SSC/TK
14:33.52froptraps aren't so reliable :P
14:33.57fropsheeps FTW
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14:34.20bleetahI've got my original darkshore cat, kinda just stabled him when BC came out, played with some BC pets... then 'coz of the level difference had to leave him alone... just started relevelling him
14:34.30bleetahfrop: my traps are more reliable than my guild's sheep ;)
14:34.41fropoh lol...nice guild :D
14:34.41bleetahfor all but one of our mages
14:34.52bleetahwe're extreme casual
14:35.01fropaye that's fair
14:35.04bleetahso exreme, we're practically horizontal
14:35.45fropwe're not hardcore too
14:35.52bleetahfrop: thanks for the tip tho, wading through 80+ pages of EJ stuff doesn't do much for me... ;)
14:35.59frop4 raids a week, starting BT
14:36.16bleetahthat's hardcore compared to us =))
14:36.17fropwell, that's Survival only
14:36.37fropfor BM, stack AP :)
14:36.43fropAP and crit
14:37.13frop1:1 rotation + Kill Command and you'll top meters
14:37.52fropImproved Mark help alot, but not essential
14:38.32Fisker-Lunessa
14:38.37Fisker-the PA game sucks
14:38.45LunessaOh well.
14:39.25Fisker-they suck at making savegames
14:39.58foxlitAs far as the actual game is concerned, it's pretty good :)
14:40.55DARKGuyPA?
14:41.08|Jelly|penny arcade, i assume
14:41.17DARKGuyah
14:43.41LunessaI'll probably get it anyway for the humor value.  I mean, I liked Torin's Passage for pity's sake,
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14:53.33Shirik|WorkIs it possible to use a macro to put in a preprocessor directive? (I know that sounds odd)
14:53.39Shirik|Worklike #define foo() #pragma something
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15:16.58alestaneMorning 'Peppy et al.
15:24.26bleetahgnight all
15:26.38Cairennmorning alestane
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15:38.20Kasoive got a windows update that fails to install
15:38.33Kasothe annoying thing is it then reminds me again to install it
15:38.35Kasowhich then fails
15:38.43Kasoi want rid of the crappy thing!
15:39.04fropgive back OLD AV times :(
15:40.28DARKGuyKaso: the windows update option on  windows and the website have an option to don't remind you about that update again
15:40.45fropor turn off all the automatic crap
15:40.51fropand install updates on your own
15:41.03DARKGuythat too
15:41.24fropthere's another way
15:41.39fropdo no install updates...and reinstall every month :)
15:41.53DARKGuyEw!
15:42.17fropthere're packages full of updates, updated regularly
15:42.25Kasoim far too lazy to manually update
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15:45.05cncfanaticshello all
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16:27.58wereHamsterthe wow homepage has no links to contact the webmaster/website maintainer.. any advise?
16:28.34MentalPower|FoodwereHamster: watcha wanna tell them?
16:28.44wereHamstera secret :P
16:28.55MentalPower|Foodsecurity related?
16:29.07ZyuuI can forward it to you if you want
16:29.10Zyuu*for you
16:29.24Zyuuif you send the email to jmilburn@curse.com I can forward it to the lead web master
16:29.28wereHamsterno, design related (basically that their homepage looks like crap if viewed under certain conditions)
16:29.36DARKGuyhaha
16:29.49Zyuuok I dont want to forward that :p
16:29.55LopeppeppywereHamster - http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?articleId=21044&categoryId=2671&parentCategoryId=2316&reportBug=1
16:30.18LopeppeppyI surfed their support pages and found it for you.
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16:31.13Kasolol @ curse forgetting BCC on their mailing list
16:31.14Kasowoops
16:31.30MentalPower|Foodthey didn't forget :P
16:31.40wereHamsterit's not really a bug in their 'support page' only, it's the whole website
16:31.59KasoMP suggesting it was deliberate or?
16:32.15LopeppeppySuggestions forum then?  If it's not really a bug, but a suggestion.
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16:33.06ZyuuKaso, that was me forgetting ;)
16:33.13Kasoheh
16:33.17ZyuuI rushed it heh
16:33.21Zyuutotally my bad
16:33.25Zyuugot a real mass emailer now though
16:33.38Zyuuand I got to find out that gmail block your ability to send emails
16:33.41Zyuuif you email that many
16:33.45Zyuufor 24 hours.
16:34.00Kasohah, well i guess that makes sense though, spamming stopping
16:34.09ZyuuIndeed
16:34.13Zyuurushed it too much really
16:34.20Zyuujust wanted to get the word out and there was no mass emailer
16:34.26Zyuuso I just bought a software for 75$
16:34.30Zyuuonly to be able to apologize ;p
16:34.34ZyuuI felt really bad about it
16:34.50Zyuuonly authors emailed, but still a stupid mistake.
16:34.58wereHamsterwtf? 250 character limit to describe the error?
16:35.01Kasohehe, i just found it amusing mostly, im sure noone on the list are spammers
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16:44.58wereHamsterthis.is.too.much.
16:46.43Shirik|WorkwereHamster: don't use "this"
16:46.51Shirik|Workyou're better off using a local variable
16:48.27Wikwocketyou can turn off Javascript and type in more then 250 chars but not sure if the server would truncate it
16:48.27KasoHaha ^
16:48.40Kasooh Shirik|Work ^_^
16:49.54wereHamsterShirik|Work: and  blizzard would be better off hiring _actual_ programers and web designers
16:50.09MentalPower|FoodwereHamster: apply!
16:50.18MentalPower|FoodI think theres an opening in the webdev team
16:50.19wereHamsterthey won't take me
16:50.23MentalPower|Foody not?
16:50.25wereHamsterI already tried
16:51.23wereHamsterbasically they'd have too much troubles getting my work permit in france
16:51.30Shirik|Workeh, I think at the time "this" was created, wereHamster, Blizzard was new to Lua. As has already been shown, over time Lua has evolved and so has Blizzard's intimacy with it
16:52.55wereHamstermaybe I should apply again now that my country is in the EU
16:53.31MentalPower|Foodaye, they started with Lua4 too
16:53.52MentalPower|Foodwhich also explains some behaviors
16:54.13MentalPower|Foodand some legacy code (they use Lua4's format() function instead of Lua5's)
16:54.55Adystotally random question, what's the text selector in css? eg .foo[text]
16:55.17Kasoim watching an iPhone keynotes, for some reason they use an icon to reprsent the iphone that looks more like a blackberry ^_- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v87/lntkaos/361188734.jpg
16:55.45wereHamster'text' as opposed to what?
16:55.57AdyswereHamster, everything else
16:56.13MentalPower|FoodKaso: that *is* a blackberry
16:56.19wereHamsteryou mean <p>text here</p> ?
16:56.21MentalPower|FoodKaso: watch the video IMO
16:56.25AdyswereHamster, for example yes
16:56.27Kasooh, wait i get it now
16:56.33Kaso<PROTECTED>
16:56.36Kasohaha
16:56.36wereHamsterAdys, in that case p {...}
16:56.40MentalPower|Food~fail Kaso
16:56.41purlKaso, you Fail!
16:56.50AdyswereHamster, that affects other content too
16:56.54Kasoill go hide in the corner
16:56.59Mikkhttp://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=72275772wf4.jpg  <- s4 gnome rogue. thank god i dont have one.
16:57.20wereHamsterAdys, that affects everything that is in <p>
16:57.20Adys.foo { background-image: url(foo.png); opacity: 0; }
16:57.29Adys^ i dont want the background-image to go hidden
16:57.48wereHamsterthen remove opacity:0
16:58.10Adysno, thats the main point :P im 100% sure css3 has a text selector but dont remember its name
16:58.32Adysso i could do .foo { background-image: url(foo.png); } .foo[text] { opacity: 0 }
16:58.39Adysand color: transparent only works in gecko1.9
16:58.53wereHamstercss3 isn't supported widely either
16:59.16Adysim mainly curious at that point :)
16:59.34Adysbuuut dont worry about it =P
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17:18.49Shirik|WorkI have a question for you all. Assuming no try/catch... is there any reason you can think of in C++ where an exception will be thrown, but will keep continuing through the function?
17:19.03Shirik|Worki.e., my debugger warns me "unhandled exception blah blah" and shows me where it's thrown
17:19.08Shirik|Workthen it keeps going to the next line
17:19.23MoonWolfnot really
17:19.39MoonWolfin my understanding if in all the code nothing catches it, the program terminates.
17:19.56Shirik|Workthat's what it should do
17:21.35LunessaShirik|Work: Does the function complete and return a value?  Or... have you run into a bug in your debugger?
17:21.48Shirik|Workhttp://wowuidev.pastey.net/88292 the exception is thrown at line 24 for sure, then it continues to spawn the threads at 42 and 51
17:22.03Shirik|Workit's a constructor, so nothing to return
17:22.24Shirik|Workthe object does appear to be created and valid thouh
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17:23.11wereHamsterShirik|Work: maybe the debugger catches the exception
17:23.24LunessaAre you  supposed to crash when can't open the port?
17:24.05LunessaI'm guessing the debugger is catching the exception and processing the rest of the code.
17:24.47LunessaThough that seems like incorrect behavior.  Set a breakpoint and step through.
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17:27.06foxlitHaha
17:27.11Shirik|Workwell it won't crash later on; I expected it to for now
17:27.28foxlitFrom: Curse Network Subject: BCC mistake. <<< "Mail thinks this message is Junk Mail."
17:28.00foxlitDidn't complain about the original, though
17:28.12LunessaI'd set a break point before the if and step through so you can "watch" the process.
17:31.23Shirik|WorkI did that already Lunessa, that's how I know it's going past it :)
17:31.47LunessaOk. Then ... I got nothing. :P
17:32.11WikwocketShirik|Work: there's no way the function is being called multiple times, where one hits the esception but one keeps going and spawns the threads?
17:32.37ckknightfoxlit: hehe
17:33.44Shirik|Workright Wikwocket
17:33.55Shirik|Workonly one CSerial object is created, from the main function, once
17:35.10Wikwocketah gotcha, just checking as I am unfamiliar with the domain
17:35.28Shirik|Workit's ok I don't expect you to know my system inside and out :)
17:35.51Shirik|Workfunny thing is I wrapped it in a try/catch and it's caught just fine
17:35.56Wikwocketclearly you have invented a magic compiler that can continue working even after fatal exceptions are thrown, perhaps you should contact Microsoft
17:35.57Shirik|WorkI guess it really was the debugger just deciding to continue
17:36.03Shirik|Workwhy the hell it did that I don't know though
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17:37.14Shirik|Workapparently I didn't catch it very well though :(
17:37.15Shirik|WorkDetected memory leaks! {97} normal block at 0x00898528, 288 bytes long.  Data: <A n   e r r o r > 41 00 6E 00 20 00 65 00 72 00 72 00 6F 00 72 00
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17:45.36LunessaAch! mine memory, it leaks! Oy!
17:46.55Shirik|WorkI do love microsoft's CRT functions :)
17:46.59Shirik|Workmakes memory leak checking so easy
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17:48.00LunessaWhen I was programming for Mac OS 7 and 8 I had a mantra... MemAlloc / DeAlloc
17:48.22LunessaIt saved me a lot of trouble whne reviewing my own code before shipping it to QA.
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18:02.54Tem|WorkLunessa, what on EARTH were you doing programming for os 7 and 8?
18:03.07LopeppeppyBeing masochistic?
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18:05.31KasoIm going to have to learn Obj-C now for a uni project >.<
18:05.38zenzelezzew
18:06.02IndustrialBest place for grinding scryer rep?
18:06.09Industrial(Friendly -> Honored)
18:06.14deltronAH
18:06.14Kasoit looks strange, what are square brackets doing in my C code! (outside of arrays)
18:06.21LopeppeppyRings from the blood elves in Shadowmoon?
18:06.26IndustrialAh isnt grinding, I dont have money.
18:06.36IndustrialSMV, ok. is that in front of BT?
18:08.45WikwocketYou may get more mileage grinding aldor rep items from demons, and trading/selling them almost 1-for-2 for scyer items
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18:29.58foxlitKaso: Obj-C <3
18:30.21Kasoive never done anything with it before, its all strange
18:30.31foxlitIt's C.
18:30.44foxlitWith slightly different object method calling conventions
18:30.45Kasobut objective?
18:32.06foxlitWhat's the project, out of curiosity?
18:32.41Kasomobile phone (lol iphone) based gegsture recognition for large screen interaction
18:32.57foxlitSo why obj-c?
18:33.17Kasobecause thats what you program for iphones in
18:33.47foxlitI bet cognitive hurts as well!
18:33.58cog|workfoxlit: nah, i'd want that one
18:34.25KasoIt's we're all just a cog in the machine
18:34.35foxlitSo, gesture at an iphone, get results on a screen?
18:34.37cog|worki tried doing " cog"
18:34.42Kasomm indeed
18:35.14cog|workbut then cog can't be the first word
18:36.11foxlitlexicographer.
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18:36.31foxlitIt's interesting, there aren't really a lot of obscure yet meaningful words you could slip in to ping you :(
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18:41.05foxlit"I will NOT sacrifice the desires of the many, for the mis-placed needs of a few self-righteous lunatics who have this mistaken impression that complete freedom of information is both a good thing, and realistic in the modern age. "
18:41.10foxliterm, mt
18:41.20foxlitWrong discussion channel, really, I was going for #wowwiki
18:47.59wereHamsterfoxlit: who is that from?
18:48.11foxlitTB, wowradio
18:48.36wereHamsterTB?
18:49.35foxlithttp://wcradio.com/news_archive.php?news_id=665
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19:06.04LunessaTem|Work: Back in the day I was a programmer for a large internet company... I worked on code for Mac clients in the days when Mac OS 7 and 8 were what was the current generation.
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19:14.53alestaneYay for the Human Interface Toolbox and cooperative multitasking!
19:16.19kd3anyone got a disposable email address site off the top of their heads?
19:16.52Lunessaalestane: Extensions made me cry.  Often.
19:17.32Lopeppeppykd3, what about gmail, hotmail, yahoo mail?
19:17.47kd3don't need that much... just a one-time-use mail site
19:17.54alestaneif WaitNextEvent (mask, &event, sysTime) then...
19:17.58Lunessahotmail accounts are generally disposable.
19:18.10Lunessaalestane: SO EVIL
19:18.32alestaneI cut my programming teeth on that API.
19:18.56alestaneActually I learned about when System 6.0.2 was in vogue.
19:19.06wereHamsterfoxlit: what was the backgroung to that wcradio story?
19:19.22foxlitNot sure, really, check their front page
19:19.41foxlitI'm guessing TB was overly vocal, found someone equally vocal, and had a vocal disagreement.
19:20.16wereHamsterah, TB == TotalBiscuit
19:20.42Zuirkif i have 3 buttons,  how do i make one defualt selected?
19:20.54Zuirkor do buttons not really work that way?
19:21.47Lunessaalestane: I learned on an Apple ][ GS (WOZ!) doing AppleBasic and ProDOS.
19:21.51foxlitGenerally, buttons do not have a selection state
19:21.55foxlitUnless they're CheckButtons
19:22.12Zuirkso i have to give it that if i want it.
19:22.45alestaneWell, yes. My first programming ever was in logo and BASIC on Apple ][s and the Atari 1040 ST.
19:23.20Zuirki got you beat..  Oddessey :P
19:23.24Zuirklol
19:23.27Zuirkj/k.
19:23.35LunessaYeah, between those and the Heathkit and the TRS-80 I was in geek heaven.
19:26.02Shirik|WorkI learned to code using VC6
19:26.09Shirik|Worklol.
19:26.25LunessaHey Cide - does CT_RaidTracker still work?
19:26.33Shirik|Workthat's probably why my brain is so messed up
19:26.54LunessaShirik|Work: I'm like, 18 years older than you, punk!
19:27.11Shirik|Work:(
19:27.39LunessaAnd you're still working on more wickedly cool shit than I am.  You're the man now, dog!
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19:30.20Apocodigmouse: pong
19:39.49ckknightLunessa: I thought you were female
19:40.22Lunessackknight: Nope.  I'm 5'10" 280# of bald testosterone.
19:40.42ckknightokay, but why the a on the end of the name?
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19:41.03LunessaBecause the name is the same name as the toon I post on WoW forums with.  My NE Priestess.
19:41.51LunessaI mean, after cog put me in the guide, I couldn't very well go to using Unkle.
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19:42.07purlhurls dozens of incontinent, insomniac, hungry kittens with tiny little razor-sharp claws and a wide variety of contagious intestinal parasites at ckknight
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19:45.55*** topic/#wowuidev is http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 2.4.x ToC: 20400 | #WoWUIDev-commits : A place to watch active development of World of Warcraft addons. Multiple Sites' CIA & JIRA bots reporting | WoW programming book http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob | "well then stay here and rot, you stuck up bitch" - Tem
19:45.55Shirik|Workmode #wowuid ... bah
19:45.58Shirik|Workyou win this time dolby
19:46.37LopeppeppyThank you Dolby.  *hugs*
19:46.43foxlitddscgvnsy: lua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"
19:46.45foxlitis still around
19:46.57*** mode/#WoWUIDev [+b *!*@195.10.56.72] by dolby
19:46.57*** kick/#WoWUIDev [ddscgvnsy!n=Dolby@MMOI/Administrator/Dolby] by dolby (dolby)
19:47.00cladhaireits the same child who did it last week in #wowace and #lua
19:47.09Kaeltenjeez
19:47.09ckknightcladhaire: and #curseforge
19:47.15cladhairewith about 18,000 shell accounts
19:47.17LunessaI'm guessing he got his SVN access nuked?
19:47.31Kaeltenwhat did you do ckknight that pissed them off so bad?
19:47.41ckknightKaelten: told him to stop bothering Funkeh`
19:47.51Kaeltenwhat did funkeh do?
19:47.54Zyuulol what the hell
19:47.56ckknightwrote BadBoy
19:48.06wereHamsterwhat did BadBoy do?
19:48.13ckknightblocks spammers ingame
19:48.19LunessaSweet.
19:48.22Shirik|Worklol
19:48.22Wikwocketwow
19:48.23wereHamsterwhat did spammers do?
19:48.36Lunessaomg wereHamster has become a 5-year-old.
19:48.37ckknightthey spammed gold and powerleveling ads
19:48.59wereHamster'spammers bother funkeh' and we have a full circle :)
19:49.57foxlitwereHamster: I feel that there's something slightly wrong about that circle
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19:50.11foxlitIt looks more like an 8?
19:50.24wereHamsterfoxlit: I know your circles (rings) are much better ;)
19:50.25ckknightor a lowercase delta
19:50.27ckknight∂
19:50.35foxlitoh, ckk is good.
19:51.20WikwocketWhen learning Razorgore, my guild decided Figure 7's would be better than Figure 8's
19:51.51Fisker-moo: ram: 2044/4094.8MB (49.91%) [|||||-----]
19:52.39Fisker-moo: ram: 1434/4094.8MB (35.02%) [||||------]
19:52.40Fisker-:D
19:53.06wereHamsterge, you still had 50% free, what did you worry about?
19:53.17hasteFisker-: nub, I only use 110M atm
19:53.37Fisker-http://i28.tinypic.com/2dm5bh5.jpg <-i've opened a new tab
19:53.54hastethat's nice
19:54.03hastemy firefox used 1.4G memory earlier today
19:54.42wereHamstervirtual or resident?
19:54.58haste600 virtual
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19:55.25zenzelezzhaste: that's a lot of porn
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19:55.41wpqlua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"
19:55.42wpq~lart ckknight
19:55.42purltakes ckknight to the vet for a "special" visit
19:55.44hastezenzelezz: more like six tabs
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19:55.44zrvjwelua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"
19:55.45zrvjwelua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"
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19:55.51wereHamstermake this channel invitation only
19:55.54zenzelezzdoes he really think he'll hurt cakk's feelings?
19:56.01zenzelezz*ckk...
19:56.04ckknightmy feelings are hurt :-(
19:56.06hastebased on his actions, yes
19:56.13foxlitWith a message like that, I don't think that'd matter
19:56.27alestaneI think he's trying to demonstrate how l33t he is or something.
19:56.35Fisker-it's a shame they don't know how to print :o
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19:57.10Shirik|Workanyone here good with C++ and template classes?
19:57.25alestaneIt's been a while.
19:58.41Shirik|Worknm I found it
19:58.49Shirik|Workforgot I was in a static member function
20:00.21foxlithttp://www.spirit-dreams.net/ui/notepad/17/
20:00.34foxlitSimplified ability ring syntax = <3
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20:05.19NightHawkTheSane"if you're not able to resolve [the remaining bugs in your queue], please work tomorrow to resolve them.." bahahaha... thats not going to happen.
20:08.05wereHamsterhave you read about what hardware slashdot will run on? that is insane, 18 dual quad-core w/ 8GB RAM plus some more computers for the databases
20:09.27Guillotinemmm, is there any way in the default ui to get a localized name from "DRUID", ect.?
20:10.25wereHamsterUnless you're a druid yourself, I don't think so
20:10.25foxlitwithout finding a real druid?
20:13.06Lunessaimmo?
20:13.20Lunessanm, figured it out.
20:14.23WikwocketI think UnitClass returns both unlocalized names, and localized
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20:16.22Shirik|Workit does
20:16.38Shirik|Workthe second return is the unlocalized iirc
20:18.04wereHamsterWikwocket, true that, but that's not what Guillotine wants
20:19.06Wikwockethrm I suppose you could always have the mod target random people until you find a Druid :)
20:19.37Kasohmm, you'd have thought there was a globalstring for that
20:19.42Kasobut nothing >.<
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20:26.44Funkeh`dolby, multiple project authors inc soon? ^^
20:26.50cladhaireor already
20:26.53cladhaireread teh news
20:27.07Funkeh`not svn, the actual project
20:27.43Funkeh`so that it lists authors: ...
20:27.48cladhaireah okay
20:29.24dolbyaye Funkeh`
20:30.16Funkeh`sweet
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20:44.33foxlitDid they change something so that the interface options frame no longer blocks the spellbook window, or am I dreaming?
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20:46.40Shirik|Workif (foo(&n) || n != 2 || bar(&n) || n != 2)
20:46.54Shirik|Workdo you think the compiler would (incorrectly) optimize out the n != 2 to only one operation?
20:47.05wereHamsterit can't
20:47.11Shirik|Workright, I don't want it to
20:47.32Shirik|Workit will take the safe side and assume that n could change inside bar, so it will test n!=2 twice, right?
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20:49.37Wikwocketdepends on the optimizer implementation I guess, but it would make sense to not remove it
20:49.43Wikwocketyou may have to test it to find out
20:50.26Shirik|Workthis is one of the most evil things I've written in a while: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/88301
20:58.12wereHamsterWikwocket, the optimize can't remove it, because bar() could modify the variably, justlike in shiriks exampleu
20:58.19foxlit~pi/2
20:58.20purl1.570796325
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21:03.17iblua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"
21:03.17ib~lart ckknight
21:03.17purlpulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps ckknight
21:03.17iblua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"
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21:03.26fsobaczbewlua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"
21:03.26fsobaczbewlua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"
21:03.27fsobaczbew~lart ckknight
21:03.27purlputs on a hockey mask and jumps out at ckknight
21:03.29fsobaczbewlua> "ckknight fuck you ckknight"
21:03.38durcynoh look who's back.
21:04.09Shirik|Workdoes anyone have his hostmask?
21:04.18Shirik|Workapparently mibbit doesn't tell you it when they join/quit
21:04.22wereHamstern=lcbf@202.54.81.1
21:04.30Shirik|Workthank ya much
21:05.09*** mode/#WoWUIDev [+b *!*@202.54.81.*] by Shirik|Work
21:05.19Shirik|Worksadly that will ban a few more than necessary, but it'll only be for a little bit
21:05.48Kasowhat was that about
21:06.14Shirik|Workapparently this guy got pissed because Funkeh made an anti-spam addon
21:06.26Shirik|Workand when ckk told him to quit bugging Funkeh`, he started to bug him
21:06.30DARKGuyhahaha
21:06.38DARKGuyspammers should get shot
21:06.39Snagolol
21:06.39DARKGuytwice.
21:06.47DARKGuythen impaled
21:06.54DARKGuyand gave as food to a hungry ogre
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21:07.13DARKGuy:)
21:07.14Shirik|Workalso sorry about missing him earlier
21:07.18Kasowait, surely a goldspammer would be pissed enough to come on irc and moan? is he not like a dev of a competing addon?
21:07.20Shirik|WorkI'm kinda working, not monitoring the channel :)
21:07.38Shirik|Workkaso, I don't know the details. That's about all I know. Ask ckknight :)
21:08.07ckknightnah, I talked to the guy about what he was doing
21:08.09Shirik|WorkSorry, the mibbit client doesn't understand that yet, please email us and request it as a feature!
21:08.11Shirik|Workgrrrrr
21:08.24Shirik|Workcan someone do a "/stats p" for me and tell me if it returns anything?
21:08.34ckknightin broken english, he basically said that Funkeh` was a bad man for making BadBoy and that spammers have to eat too
21:08.43Kasooh wow
21:08.48Kasothats rediculous
21:09.05durcynShirik|Work: "0 staff members"
21:09.10Shirik|Workboo
21:09.31dolbythat makes no sense,  if some one is going to use badboy  they arent going to follow the spam anyways
21:09.44DARKGuywhat does badboy do?
21:09.51dolbyjust like trying to show ads to those that block them
21:09.52DARKGuyblock all those "OMG OMG GOLD HERE www.powerlevel.com" ?
21:09.52Kasoblock spam one presumes
21:10.02durcynit doesn't just block or filter, it automatically reports
21:10.08DARKGuybeautiful :D
21:10.20dolbyah
21:10.27Shirik|Workironically, all this retaliation makes me consider getting it
21:10.36DARKGuy>:D
21:10.39Shirik|Workhe has certainly raised awareness of it, not reduced it
21:10.57dolbyaye, will prolly install it my self now >:)
21:11.28Kasoeven though there were loads out there when i got pissed off i wrote an anti-spam addon just for myself
21:11.35Kasoit feels nice when its personal
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21:11.36Kasoheh
21:12.12KasoHow would i get the free space on a partition in unix command line
21:12.35Shirik|Workcrap, I know this
21:12.35foxlit~man du
21:12.36purlNo manual entry for du
21:12.45DARKGuyKaso: df -h
21:12.46Josh_Borkedf -h
21:12.53DARKGuyJosh_Borke: lol :D
21:12.56Kasothanks alot
21:12.57Josh_Borkedu stands for disk usage
21:13.04Josh_Borkedf stands for disk free
21:13.11Shirik|Workthat's it, df
21:13.13DARKGuy-h for human-readable values
21:13.14Kasothat makes sense
21:13.36Shirik|WorkI was googling "man fd" :(
21:13.42Shirik|WorkI was close!
21:13.43Josh_Borkefdiskc?
21:13.51DARKGuyhaha
21:14.07durcynjust cat /dev/zero > /dev/hda, then you'll have all of it free
21:14.08Josh_Borkeactually, file descriptor?
21:14.46Shirik|WorkI'm not really sure what I was thinking of
21:14.47DARKGuydurcyn: LOL you rat
21:14.48Kasodurcyn nice advice there :>
21:14.52Shirik|WorkI just knew the command aws something like that
21:15.02Shirik|WorkAnyway,  0 error(s), 5 warning(s) -- good enough for me. Time to head home
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21:15.47*** mode/#WoWUIDev [-b+b *!*@202.54.81.* %*!*@202.54.81.*] by Shirik|Work
21:15.57Kasobut my disks are /dev/disk0s1 /dev/disk0s2
21:16.12Funkeh`%?
21:16.23dolbyyeah whats the % fer?
21:16.25Shirik|Worksilence only
21:16.26foxlitOh how I hate configuration interfaces :(
21:16.36DARKGuywhy
21:16.39Funkeh`Shirik|Work, bad idea
21:16.40Shirik|Worksince it's a wide ban, I figured I'd make it so anyone I accidentally hit can still join and then ping an op
21:16.41DARKGuysome are pretty
21:16.45DARKGuylike TipTac's :D
21:16.47Shirik|Workhe still can't "do" anything
21:16.54Funkeh`they spam the chan with join/leave
21:17.03Funkeh`at least they did on wowace
21:17.06durcynShirik|Work: not that wide, one class C out of asia-pacific?
21:17.10Shirik|Workeh, fine
21:17.18*** mode/#WoWUIDev [+b-b *!*@202.54.81.* %*!*@202.54.81.*] by Shirik|Work
21:17.22Shirik|WorkI shall return!
21:17.23foxlitthey're a pain to code, mainly
21:17.42foxlitand then there's the UIOptionsFrame, which isn't movable :/
21:18.03DARKGuyyeah I hate that
21:18.09DARKGuyman I miss MoveAnything
21:18.10DARKGuy:(
21:18.28foxlitIt's not like it's difficult to make it movable
21:18.33durcynBetterBlizzOptions imo
21:18.33foxlitIt's just that it's not, by default
21:19.32DARKGuyBlizz sure hates movable default frames hehe
21:19.45foxlitThat would possibly solve the users' problems, but not my woes.
21:19.49DARKGuyI'd love to move the character, quest, talents and spellbook frames :(
21:20.30foxlitPrediction: you'd spend too much time moving them to be useful
21:20.49DARKGuyxD
21:20.56DARKGuybut sometimes they're on the way
21:20.56DARKGuy>.<
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21:33.18ShirikI have returned! I missed you all
21:34.00Kasothat 14min sure was long!
21:34.14Shiriksorry :( would have been faster but I got stuck behind a truck
21:34.41dolbythe internet isnt a dump truck you know
21:35.09Kasohehe
21:35.17DARKGuyhahaha
21:35.31ShirikI think I missed something
21:36.40Kasohttp://flickr.com/photos/nirak/512879347/
21:36.41Kasothe internet
21:36.57dolbyROFL Kaso
21:37.23batrickwell done sir
21:37.24Kasoor perhaps thats an overlay network
21:37.26Kasoits so confusing
21:38.09Shiriklol
21:38.20LunessaI don't know.  I think it needs more bandwidth.
21:40.21DARKGuylol
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21:51.50Shirikso that guy stopped, huh?
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21:55.51Lunessa*headesk* why does someone wait until 5pm to come to me with a problem that could take hours to solve?
21:57.00Shirikhow else are you supposed to get overtime?
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21:57.58foxlitHey
21:58.06foxlitIs the BORDER texture level actually above BACKGROUND?
21:58.19LunessaHah... I work for the state.  They HATE paying me overtime.
21:58.19XuerianIs there any way beyond tooltip scanning to figure out if a user has the proficiency or class to equip a item?
21:58.21foxlitSo it is.
21:58.33Xuerianfoxlit: It seems like it would... Seeing as how borders are done in wow
21:59.02Shirik~ping
21:59.03purlpong
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21:59.49foxlitI'd check IsEquippableItem(itemid or "name" or itemLink)
22:00.00Shirikthat's interesting, I'm still here
22:00.24Shiriksorry dolby, I expected to be flood kicked :D
22:00.32dolbylol
22:01.23Xuerianfoxlit: Yeah, going to check that. Assuming that it checks if it is a equippable item in general, though
22:01.40Shirikanyway, time for food
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22:22.19foxlitMouseIsOver(GetMouseFocus()) == nil
22:22.21foxlitwhy?
22:23.36CideGetMouseFocus() is nil? :)
22:23.47foxlitAnd if it's not?
22:23.57Cidethen that sounds strange
22:24.05foxlitwell
22:24.12foxlitperhaps not, but thank  you Blizzard
22:24.20foxlitif ( InterfaceOptionsFrame:IsShown() ) thenreturn nil; end
22:24.38Cidewhat's that code from?
22:24.55Xuerianfoxlit: It works for me
22:25.00foxlitUIParent.lua:2239-2241, function MouseIsOver
22:25.01Xuerianfoxlit: At least on my bag frames
22:25.08foxlitBut it won't if you open the interface options frame
22:25.15Cidefoxlit: ah
22:25.50foxlitI wonder why they felt the need to do that
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22:31.36Shiriko.o krka?
22:32.24Shirikthat was odd, I got this random message from irc
22:32.40Shirikclarke.freenode.net =krka c83-250-42-60.bredband.comhem.se irc.freenode.net krka H 0 Kristofer Karlsson
22:35.31Arrowmasterthats a who reply
22:35.46Arrowmasteri think
22:35.58Arrowmasteryeah it is, can tell from teh H
22:37.49Shirikbut why :/
22:38.09zenzelezzyou must have somehow done a /who I guess
22:38.14Shirikthat's odd
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22:46.54[Liquidor]Illidan down by Liquidor! Screenshot: http://usera.imagecave.com/Liquidor/illidandown.PNG
22:49.48KeiasHe's still alive in that screen, you liar!
22:51.11Shirik[Liquidor]: I agree with Keias, needs to have Xs for eyes
22:51.40KeiasAnd put a few #'s on his body to show the dmg!
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23:17.55Xuerian[Liquidor]: Teenage ninja mutant illidan
23:20.56foxlitmore plugging: http://spirit-dreams.net/or/getdevbeta updated again
23:23.25expiation[Liquidor] that looks like a teenage mutant ninja turtle with wings
23:23.34Cidefoxlit: can I download it, and then link the page to someone else? ;)
23:23.53Cidefoxlit: technically I don't redistribute the program
23:24.04Funkeh`foxlit, the name OneRing is already taken
23:24.29XuerianFunkeh`: We know
23:24.30foxlitI'm aware of the name issue.
23:24.42foxlitCide: good point. Do what you want. :)
23:24.42MentalPowerwhat else has OneRing?
23:24.54Cidefoxlit: I do, 'cuz a pirate is free.
23:24.57Funkeh`it's a part of OneBag
23:24.59Tekkubhttp://github.com/blog/67-got-a-sha
23:24.59foxlits/want/wish/
23:25.02Tekkubkick ass!
23:28.38foxlitI'm not very concerned about about people linking that page around; can still track stats server side
23:28.41expiationthat onering looks very crysis like
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23:34.55JoshBorkefoxlit: nifty
23:35.51foxlitJoshBorke: thanks
23:36.16JoshBorkefoxlit: single person production?
23:36.54foxlitMore or less; Iriel had some wonderful securepie example code that this started with :)
23:37.07JoshBorkeah, cool
23:37.12JoshBorkefinally, someone using secure pie!
23:38.45XuerianJoshBorke: We've been cheerleaders so far
23:39.02Xuerianfoxlit: Haha, that's a idea. Needs crysis skin XD
23:39.46foxlithttp://img228.imageshack.us/img228/9735/crysis2007110803345818lb8.jpg
23:39.52foxlitIt is, more or less, a crysis skin.
23:40.09foxlitIt's just that drawing the outer icons was a pain :)
23:40.15JoshBorkeDO IT!
23:40.16JoshBorke:-P
23:40.32foxlitAnd then it'd only work with abilities it was drawn with
23:40.59foxlitCould replace the rotating ring with a 64-frame animation, though
23:41.04XuerianJoshBorke: No no DO WANT =O
23:41.48JoshBorkefoxlit: why not the same way you do it for the center icon?
23:42.25foxlitIt's a bit nasty to stylize
23:43.31foxlitOr, rather, I didn't think it would look good when I was working on visualization
23:43.44XuerianOh, and foxlit, I am wary of grue, but am looking for the zip file >.>
23:44.14foxlitSilly me, the world has no +r on that
23:44.15foxlitFixed now
23:44.40XuerianAwesomeness.
23:44.48foxlitThough displaying some sort of ghost icons arranged at proper locations some distance away from the rings could work
23:46.26XuerianFade them in when they're selected, otherwise leave them pale. Or, implement a skinning system :D
23:48.35foxlitThat's going to result in more code running every frame :)
23:49.20foxlitBut anyway, want to fix http://spirit-dreams.net/or/api/RingKeeper to a state where that's actually end-user usable, find a different name and then go for a public release
23:49.58foxlitIt has a somewhat nasty configuration UI at the moment that lets you change highlight colors, but it's not quite where I want it to be :(
23:53.22KasoAnyone familar with cygwin
23:53.58Corrodiasi've used it before, long ago
23:54.03Corrodiasdon't really remember much of it, though
23:54.16Arrowmasteri cant remember if i used to have it installed or not
23:55.22KasoIm having trouble with compiling stuff, "can't locate file for: -lcrt1.o" googling tells me to install libc6-dev, but im not sure what to do in cygwin
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23:57.14Corrodiasah, that i cannot help you with
23:58.00Kasohmm apparently it has something to do with xcode
23:58.08Kasodamn those mac people grr
23:59.45foxlitmm
23:59.58foxlitObj-C on windows?

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