| 00:00.54 | bleeter | wonders will never cease.. I just fielded a user question on #norganna |
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| 00:06.53 | Guillotine | bleeter: leave what? |
| 00:07.36 | MentalPower|Work | #WoWCSF |
| 00:07.53 | Guillotine | pfft. I've been in there longer than you bleeter :P |
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| 00:13.58 | bleeter | Guillotine: I'm merely amused by the huge long argument I had with them to move them to freenode, then lack of disclosure on what the # rules are, lack of keeping public logs, and.. bunch of other stuff |
| 00:14.10 | bleeter | mind you, took a fair bit of me screaming at you guys here to move to freenode, too ;) :P |
| 00:14.17 | bleeter | iirc |
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| 00:21.15 | art3mis | heh |
| 00:21.27 | art3mis | made a lightscribe dvd for the Requiem Open Beta |
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| 00:32.21 | art3mis | mmm vicodin |
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| 00:49.33 | art3mis | #requiem to find out more about the game ;) |
| 00:56.41 | Xuerian | It's guildwars in stratholme |
| 00:58.04 | art3mis | heh mostly |
| 00:58.07 | art3mis | but you can jump! |
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| 01:04.07 | alestane | Who? |
| 01:04.13 | alestane | Oh, NVM |
| 01:04.42 | eddiedrizzt | what mod do i need to get to use the !enchant thingy |
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| 01:09.08 | jaeger | craftlist2 |
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| 01:11.20 | art3mis | ales you should come try it |
| 01:11.24 | art3mis | it is lots of fun |
| 01:12.35 | art3mis | but im gonna leave the channel so that the whiney emos dont get all pissy and cut themselves ;) |
| 01:12.44 | art3mis | come to #requiem if yer interested/wanna chat |
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| 03:31.45 | Shirik | when connecting to IRC, the main rotation server should have the sense to be able to not stick you on a server alone -_- |
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| 04:09.59 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: yay for DNS RR? ^^ it's not like there's any intelligence involved |
| 04:10.48 | Shirik | doesn't have to do with the dns, it should be the mrs taking care of redirecting me |
| 04:11.16 | Gnarfoz | err |
| 04:11.22 | Gnarfoz | just do 'host chat.freenode.net' |
| 04:11.28 | Shirik | yeah |
| 04:11.45 | Shirik | which then sends you to a server whose job is to direct you to one of the irc servers |
| 04:11.51 | Gnarfoz | no |
| 04:11.52 | Shirik | such as the one I'm on now, niven.freenode.net |
| 04:12.04 | Gnarfoz | the list of IPs that returns is the list of servers you can connect to |
| 04:12.07 | Nom | LOL |
| 04:12.10 | Gnarfoz | including niven. |
| 04:12.13 | Nom | To get a death knight you only need a level 55 ? |
| 04:12.17 | Nom | That's pretty damn simple |
| 04:12.27 | Gnarfoz | so you're rather randomly connecting directly to a leaf server |
| 04:12.30 | Shirik | well then a new system should be invented :P |
| 04:12.38 | Gnarfoz | probably |
| 04:12.42 | Nom | I suppose it's still subject to change ... I qualify 4 times over now lol |
| 04:13.12 | Fisker- | ~failrik |
| 04:13.12 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 04:13.42 | bleeter | edhmm someone's saying they're permabanning folks who are datamining the wrath leak, as well as the botters |
| 04:14.20 | bleeter | either way, 10/10 to blizz for effort :) |
| 04:14.26 | Nom | lol |
| 04:14.30 | Gnarfoz | well, datamining is not really traceable to you if you're not in the F&F alpha, and what botters? |
| 04:14.47 | Nom | It is... they can find out which IP's downloaded the patch |
| 04:14.53 | Nom | Then compare it to IP's of people who are in the alpha |
| 04:15.02 | bleeter | Gnarfoz: people grabbed the leaked client, then logged in to the beta site with their LIVE ACCOUNT DETAILS... lololololol |
| 04:15.16 | Gnarfoz | so? I'm not under the F&F NDA |
| 04:15.21 | bleeter | 'zomg i can create a DK but can't enter world' |
| 04:15.32 | bleeter | wonder how long those accounts stayed activ hehe |
| 04:16.02 | Fisker- | "In addition, the "WoW" prefix has been removed from all forums as everyone should already be aware they're looking through forums related to World of Warcraft." |
| 04:16.04 | Gnarfoz | I'd be amused if they killed my account over it |
| 04:16.07 | Nom | Well, given you were able to download the patcher without entering any kind of login details |
| 04:16.09 | Fisker- | ONLY TOOK THEM 3½ YEARS |
| 04:16.14 | Nom | It's a bit hard to punish people who just decided to get it |
| 04:16.23 | bleeter | Gnarfoz: the detection used in the recent banwave appears to be different to 'normal'. That is, it was buried in the game client instead of Warden. Haven't done that for a while. |
| 04:16.43 | Gnarfoz | hm, death to botters alright =] |
| 04:16.48 | bleeter | Gnarfoz: so, I'm *guessing* there's some special secret sauce in the leaked client. Who knows, it may have been allowed to leak to catch an internal mole? |
| 04:17.00 | Gnarfoz | err? |
| 04:17.06 | Gnarfoz | they posted the damn thing on their own website |
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| 04:17.24 | Gnarfoz | s/posted/had/ |
| 04:17.27 | bleeter | which apparently is no longer available |
| 04:17.36 | Gnarfoz | obviously, but the torrent still works |
| 04:17.46 | Nom | Hmm... I need to find a Harvey Norman store in Perth that sells Macs |
| 04:17.57 | bleeter | Nom: HARDLY NORMAL WTF? |
| 04:17.59 | Gnarfoz | www.apple.au ? |
| 04:18.00 | Nom | They have a 44 month interest free deal at the moment... decided I'm going to use that to get my new mac :) |
| 04:18.23 | Fisker- | you can't |
| 04:18.23 | Nom | 44 month interest free, bleeter... that's why :) |
| 04:18.25 | bleeter | Nom: oooh, that's with what's their name 'n co financing... wouldn't touch it personally |
| 04:18.26 | Fisker- | YOU ARE IN A POKEBALL |
| 04:18.40 | bleeter | given gerry harvey's attitude to credit |
| 04:18.54 | bleeter | 'let's screw the customer for as a much as possible, preferably on credit' |
| 04:19.06 | Nom | lol |
| 04:19.11 | Nom | well i know how much the macs are worth |
| 04:19.19 | Nom | and i'll read the terms on the financing |
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| 04:19.39 | Nom | But seriously, as long as there's no penalty for me to pay it out before the 44 months, why wouldn't you ? |
| 04:19.50 | bleeter | iirc they run one of those 'miss one payment and we'll have your firstborn for 6 generations' type of thing |
| 04:20.10 | Gnarfoz | yay for sensible trade laws :> |
| 04:21.15 | Nom | well they're claiming no interest, no repayments until the end of the 44 months |
| 04:21.21 | Nom | so yeah... we'll see |
| 04:21.38 | Nom | Always take a magnifying glass for the 1 pixel high font, kids! |
| 04:22.04 | Nom | Be sure that artwork line is actually a line :D |
| 04:23.32 | bleeter | Nom: yeah, I think the 1st born for 6 generations is if you miss a payment, you owe all the interest at some hideous rate calculated over that 44 month period, pay for the item, and pay for the priv of being ... well, you can imagine the rest ;) |
| 04:24.24 | bleeter | Nom: there was a Radio National discussion a few weeks ago about Credit, Mr Harvey was interviewed, such stuff was covered. If I could remember the name of the program, and the date, I'd look up the archive for you, but I don't so I shan't |
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| 04:29.01 | Nom | lol yeah just found some details on their web site |
| 04:29.11 | Nom | If you don't pay it out by the end of the 44 months, they hit you with all the interest |
| 04:29.28 | Nom | Then you have to pay back the principal + interest |
| 04:36.16 | bleeter | told ya, 6 generations |
| 04:40.14 | Nom | Yeah, it'll be 15% interest at least * 4 years compount interest = pain |
| 04:40.40 | Nom | That's fine though, coz I *could* buy it outright now, I just didn't want to have any funds available |
| 04:40.47 | Shirik | most places do that |
| 04:40.53 | Shirik | if they say 0% for 1 year or something |
| 04:41.01 | Shirik | if you don't pay in a year, you go to the next bracket and pay all the interest |
| 04:41.12 | Nom | Nah, there's a couple of places doing 4 years interest free atm |
| 04:41.26 | Nom | Looks like David Jones is doing the same deal, and they are Mac resellers |
| 04:41.27 | Shirik | well whatever number of years |
| 04:41.42 | Shirik | you still end up paying the interest if you don't make it in that amount of time |
| 04:41.58 | Nom | Yeah |
| 04:42.19 | Nom | If you don't realise that then you're in trouble... I do, and 4 years is plenty of time to pay off such an insignificant number of dollars |
| 04:42.34 | Shirik | yeah I used to sell computers at best buy |
| 04:42.41 | Nom | (Especially given my current big loan has less than 3 years left, and that's $500 a fortnight) |
| 04:42.43 | Shirik | and periodically there would be 4 years interest free |
| 04:42.55 | Shirik | and I'm like "seriously, how do you end up taking 4 years to pay $1000" |
| 04:43.05 | Shirik | lua> 10 * 12 * 4 |
| 04:43.06 | lua_bot | Shirik: 480 |
| 04:43.29 | Shirik | lua> 1000 / 12 / 4 |
| 04:43.29 | lua_bot | Shirik: 20.833333333333 |
| 04:43.35 | Shirik | $21/mo, heh |
| 04:43.42 | Nom | Yeah, it's nothing |
| 04:43.50 | Nom | I'm looking at like a Mac Pro tho |
| 04:44.00 | Shirik | I'm sorry for you |
| 04:44.03 | Nom | or MacBook Pro |
| 04:44.13 | Nom | They're both around the $4k mark |
| 04:44.21 | Nom | lua> 4000 / 12 / 4 |
| 04:44.21 | lua_bot | Nom: 83.333333333333 |
| 04:44.33 | Shirik | I only paid $1000 for this laptop and I am amazed by it |
| 04:44.38 | Nom | meh... fuk all... |
| 04:45.18 | Nom | I'll just add another auto transfer $50 a fortnight to the account |
| 04:45.40 | Nom | All gone easily within 4 years |
| 04:45.49 | Fisker- | nom nom nom |
| 04:47.00 | Nom | lol the absurd thing about Mac hardware |
| 04:47.11 | Nom | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:47.22 | Nom | MEM CORSAIR PC5300 2GB DDR2 667MHZ SO-DIMM# - $56.00 |
| 04:47.39 | Nom | Gee. I wonder which option I'm going to choose? |
| 04:48.11 | Shirik | see I don't get it |
| 04:48.22 | Shirik | why is the price so expensive? |
| 04:48.45 | Nom | Honestly... I don't think Apple Australia has adjusted their prices against the AUD exchange rate and falling hardware prices |
| 04:49.03 | Nom | Which is really silly not to do imo |
| 04:50.42 | Fisker- | i don't think you remember it's apple |
| 04:50.49 | Fisker- | it's bullshit, it's expensive, it's fail |
| 04:50.50 | Fisker- | :o |
| 04:51.56 | Nom | mmm 1920x1200 17" screen for an extra $150 |
| 04:51.57 | Nom | yummeh |
| 04:52.15 | bleeter | Nom: don't forget, that with many 'smaller' shops, you can negotiate a cash discount, so it might really work out a lot cheaper in the long run if you do pay up front rather than on credit |
| 04:52.45 | Nom | meh if i was going to buy it outright, i'd use my company's EPP program |
| 04:52.59 | Fisker- | Extra Price Package? |
| 04:53.01 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 04:53.02 | Nom | What was it... 9% i think off all the apple.com store prices |
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| 04:54.24 | bleeter | Shirik: apple prices are expensive here, iirc, because although the hardware is shipped direct from the plants in asia, it's priced as if shipped via the US |
| 04:54.34 | Nom | nah i think the main reason is because they've got a contract with the suppliers to do them at a certain price |
| 04:54.38 | bleeter | Shirik: and also there's a hideously long wait time on any of the medium to high end gear, because the demand in larger markets is greater... it's easier (I guess) to jack the prices up here to lessen demand to those who really want, and service the bigger markets |
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| 04:58.44 | Nom | hmm before i forget... i was going to try building a Mac OS VM |
| 04:59.26 | Shirik | anyway, nighty night time. Have fun building your computer |
| 05:01.50 | Nechckn_SomeZs | Nom... if you are looking at a really high end Mac... |
| 05:01.57 | Nechckn_SomeZs | join the Apple Developer Program |
| 05:02.39 | Nechckn_SomeZs | yes, it costs about $400 US *but* you also get a rather huge discount off of one system per year for "developmental" use |
| 05:03.00 | Nom | I have access to a rather large discount |
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| 05:03.27 | Nechckn_SomeZs | the ADC one is much bigger than the employee ones |
| 05:03.40 | Nechckn_SomeZs | unless your's has some really tight relationship |
| 05:04.24 | Nechckn_SomeZs | over my company's discount, even with paying the $400 bucks, I ended up saving about 450 dollars |
| 05:05.00 | Nechckn_SomeZs | so.. if you whip out your calculator, the discount off of a 2.5K machine was about 850 dollars |
| 05:05.57 | Nechckn_SomeZs | Just a suggestion, the ADC is different in each country, including the amount of the discount, et cetera |
| 05:06.28 | Nom | well it's $499 for a membership |
| 05:06.36 | Nom | and I'd save way less than that |
| 05:06.47 | Nom | It's ~ 20% discount for Australia by the looks |
| 05:06.54 | Nom | I get 9% from work |
| 05:07.17 | Nechckn_SomeZs | Okey dokey, figured it was at least worth checking out =) |
| 05:08.31 | Nom | It'd cost me $48 more basically :P |
| 05:08.37 | Nom | for a base model |
| 05:09.05 | Nom | $3698.80 for the dev membership, $3640 from work |
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| 05:46.08 | Nom | ooo yummeh |
| 05:46.13 | Nom | mac pro you can whack 4 video cards into it |
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| 05:46.25 | Nom | quad sli ftw |
| 05:54.06 | Nom | not talking about nvidia's crazy ideas of quad sli either lol |
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| 06:08.46 | Kajas | Does anyone know how many characters can be in a mail item's body? |
| 06:09.05 | Kajas | Didn't see a number on wowwiki or in the book... not quite sure where else to look |
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| 06:12.02 | Drundia | Kajas, SendMailBodyEditBox:GetMaxLetters() => 500 |
| 06:12.42 | Kajas | Okay, now I'm curious as to where you found that.. and how.. lol, maybe my searching methods needs improving |
| 06:13.25 | Drundia | experimentally |
| 06:13.49 | Drundia | first I looked GetMouseFocus(), then it just happened that its only child was mentioned editbox |
| 06:14.23 | Drundia | but i think you should experiment with SendMail() |
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| 06:20.01 | Kajas | heh, just opened the SendMail frame in-game and spammed .........$ all the way across.. there's 50 "$" symbols.. so you're right.. 500 is the limit |
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| 06:24.44 | Drundia | it's editbox limit |
| 06:24.56 | Drundia | SendMail() function may have different limit.. in theory |
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| 06:36.23 | Oaty | Hello |
| 06:37.36 | Oaty | i cnt find mobile frames in the addon list how do i download it individually? |
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| 06:39.19 | Oaty | Can anyone help? |
| 06:39.32 | Corrodias | i can help you GET FUNKY |
| 06:40.01 | Corrodias | alright, let's see, "mobile frames" you say |
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| 06:40.53 | Corrodias | http://www.curse.com/downloads/details/10021/ seems to be what you want |
| 06:41.53 | Oaty | do i have to have slidebar to use featureframe? |
| 06:44.54 | Oaty | thx 4 the link, it is what i wanted |
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| 06:47.01 | Oaty | are there any dependencies for mobileframes? |
| 06:53.02 | Oaty | i tried it (it showed up in the addon list) but none of the frames move |
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| 07:24.48 | Kajas | What's the best method of making GUI's.. trying out AddOn Studio.. but it only uses the chat frame border... can't seem to get it to design with any other kind of artwork :( |
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| 07:34.15 | soul | I have a quick question |
| 07:34.57 | soul | A lot lately, when i click my spell book button and then close it, it makes the action bars visible even though they are set to not be visible and i have to reload ui |
| 07:41.01 | Cairenn | obvious question is obvious: what mods do you have that have anything to do with either your spellbook &/or your action bars? |
| 07:42.59 | soul | not other than cosmos stuff |
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| 07:48.29 | Lukian | <soul> not other than cosmos stuff <- problem solved :p |
| 07:49.08 | Cairenn | Lukian: >< |
| 07:54.23 | soul | well this is a cosmos chat lol |
| 07:54.30 | soul | so i would assume its an cosmos issue |
| 07:54.32 | soul | but who knows |
| 07:54.44 | Cairenn | no, it's a multi site channel |
| 07:55.03 | Cairenn | the cosmos irc interface just automatically forwards to this channel |
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| 08:03.47 | soul | ahh I see |
| 08:04.43 | soul | Maybe ill make a post about it in the cosmos forums maybe someone knows something |
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| 08:13.33 | mattes | hello, sry for such a noob question, but i found nowhere how to destroy a frame, so that the memory is freed and the object no longer exists. any hints ? |
| 08:14.32 | Cairenn | iirc, not possible - soon as you create it, it stays created |
| 08:15.28 | haste | you can recycle it however |
| 08:15.38 | Cairenn | *nod* make it so you can reuse it |
| 08:16.22 | mattes | ah ok, seems i have to study again my disply structures ~ |
| 08:16.36 | mattes | thx |
| 08:18.57 | Cairenn | good luck |
| 08:19.03 | Cairenn | :) |
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| 08:51.08 | Kajas | What's the easiest way to make a UI.. using AddOn Studio atm.. but the only borders it has is the ChatFrame boarders... can't see/use any others :( |
| 08:51.13 | Kajas | *GUI |
| 08:53.05 | wereHamster | I prefer pure lua |
| 08:53.13 | batrick | If you're willing ot learn, Lua is superior imo |
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| 09:15.58 | foxlit | Okay, new plan. |
| 09:16.05 | foxlit | Kite http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=14503 somewhere nice |
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| 09:32.25 | batrick | The instruction at "0x0040E000" referenced memory at "0x00000000". |
| 09:32.26 | batrick | The memory could not be "read". |
| 09:32.31 | batrick | no shit? |
| 09:32.44 | batrick | WoW crashed =) |
| 09:32.50 | batrick | =( ** |
| 09:35.15 | Drundia | delete cache.md5 |
| 09:35.43 | batrick | I'm running this in wine btw |
| 09:35.47 | batrick | Drundia: seriously? |
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| 09:40.36 | Drundia | batrick, deleting that file is absolutely magic |
| 09:41.03 | Drundia | i fixed some crashes just yesterday by doing that |
| 09:43.43 | batrick | well that |
| 09:43.54 | batrick | 'd only help me if I were able to run it to begin with I think =) |
| 09:44.07 | batrick | anyone know where to get the full patch from 2.0 to 2.4? |
| 09:44.13 | batrick | I think that's what I need |
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| 09:44.54 | Drundia | let it patch itself? |
| 09:45.05 | batrick | as soon as wow opens it crashes. |
| 09:45.11 | Drundia | oh |
| 09:45.17 | Drundia | repair? |
| 09:45.22 | batrick | I just isntalled lol |
| 09:45.23 | Drundia | delete evil file? |
| 09:45.30 | batrick | remember this is wine =) |
| 09:45.49 | haste | reapir works under wine I believe |
| 09:47.02 | batrick | ya, i'm going to try that now I guess |
| 09:48.46 | batrick | wine is not an emulator |
| 09:49.33 | Drundia | is it same kind of not as in lame? |
| 09:49.56 | batrick | I dont' understand your question |
| 09:50.04 | batrick | wine is an acronym for "wine is not an emulator" |
| 09:50.11 | batrick | !g wine site:wikipedia.org |
| 09:50.12 | batbot | batrick: Wine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine> |
| 09:50.25 | batrick | err, not quite |
| 09:50.30 | batrick | !g wine program site:wikipedia.org |
| 09:50.31 | batbot | batrick: Wine (software) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_(software)> |
| 09:51.00 | Drundia | ok then it's pretty much same kind of not as in lame |
| 09:52.57 | Drundia | wow is probably just evil |
| 09:53.13 | batrick | unforunately repairing didn't help =( |
| 09:53.20 | batrick | hopefully this 2.4 patch will work |
| 09:54.09 | Drundia | they should make some linux-native wow |
| 09:54.25 | batrick | I really wish they would |
| 09:54.38 | batrick | and ventrilo has been working on a linux client for the last 5 years lol |
| 09:54.44 | batrick | : / |
| 09:55.40 | haste | "working" |
| 09:55.50 | Drundia | or so they said :) |
| 09:56.25 | Drundia | there is even IsLinuxClient() in wow api... |
| 09:56.31 | Drundia | what does it determine? |
| 09:56.33 | batrick | ya more likely is they're swimming in money and don't care to update it |
| 09:56.41 | haste | Drundia: nothing |
| 09:57.05 | batrick | I'm actually curious if that will return true when I got this installed |
| 09:57.11 | haste | it won't |
| 09:57.18 | batrick | o ok |
| 09:57.30 | Drundia | i think it's hardcoded constant result |
| 09:57.45 | Drundia | depending on target system of build |
| 09:58.00 | haste | most likely |
| 10:00.26 | wereHamster | batrick: I can give you a full-2.2.0 torrent |
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| 10:01.04 | wereHamster | or even the file itself on a fast mirror |
| 10:01.09 | batrick | I think I'll be ok but thanks |
| 10:01.25 | batrick | I'm almost done downloading the full 2.4 patch from filefront |
| 10:04.18 | wereHamster | Drundia: there was a native linux client back in the beta days |
| 10:05.22 | clad|sleep | !api linux |
| 10:05.23 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'IsLinuxClient' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/IsLinuxClient |
| 10:06.30 | batrick | does filefront suck at night or is it really comcast being shitty? |
| 10:06.46 | batrick | i keep going from 200 KB/s to 700 KB/s |
| 10:06.49 | batrick | getting annoying : / |
| 10:09.17 | batrick | it fucking linearly goes back and forth from 200 to 700, only comcast could be that gay |
| 10:14.10 | Drundia | wereHamster, any idea why it disappeared? |
| 10:14.17 | wereHamster | wow, the full 2.4 patch is over 1GB |
| 10:14.34 | batrick | only 924 for me |
| 10:14.34 | wereHamster | Drundia: no idea, ask slouken :) |
| 10:14.41 | batrick | does that include 2.4.2? |
| 10:14.43 | Drundia | 1.3 was 871 MB |
| 10:14.47 | Drundia | 2.3 even |
| 10:14.49 | wereHamster | maybe the US patch is smaller |
| 10:15.06 | wereHamster | WoW-2.4.0-enGB-patch.exe - 1126.8 MB |
| 10:15.11 | Drundia | unfortunately i have absolutely no way to contact him |
| 10:15.27 | Drundia | and am not particularly interested in finding the answer |
| 10:15.28 | wereHamster | you do, forums, irc or email |
| 10:15.41 | batrick | I doubt he'd respond via the forums |
| 10:15.47 | clad|sleep | i doubt he'd respond |
| 10:15.48 | batrick | and asking via IRC if he comes in wouldn't be very nice |
| 10:15.54 | clad|sleep | full stop |
| 10:16.16 | clad|sleep | i suspect they have enough issues supporting windows and mac |
| 10:16.18 | Drundia | well, i don't know anything of that where i could come as well, and clad|sleep is right too |
| 10:16.26 | clad|sleep | that adding another variable just would be bad |
| 10:18.34 | Drundia | i'm wondering what % of people use each operating system |
| 10:19.08 | batrick | probably more than 99% use windows |
| 10:19.21 | clad|rowing | i would doubt that |
| 10:19.34 | batrick | if you include europe and asia |
| 10:20.05 | batrick | i don't think mac has a good presence there but i couldbe very wrong |
| 10:20.21 | wereHamster | blizz must have some kind of abstraction layer for win32 and macosx. They just need to publish these interfaces, there are enough people who would implement the needed classes, and provide end-user support |
| 10:20.56 | Drundia | is linux so much different? |
| 10:21.04 | Drundia | in all apis and stuff |
| 10:21.16 | wereHamster | different to win32? yes, very much so |
| 10:21.23 | Drundia | to macosx |
| 10:21.32 | batrick | not that different to macosx i think though |
| 10:21.33 | wereHamster | yes |
| 10:21.51 | batrick | macosx uses openGL does it not? |
| 10:22.06 | wereHamster | even though macosx provides the posix api, the windowing system is completely different |
| 10:22.27 | Drundia | well, if 99% is on windows, i wonder how do macosx vs linux numbers relate |
| 10:22.53 | batrick | i made that number up but for the whole world it's likely accurate |
| 10:24.42 | Drundia | but if they managed to have linux client back in beta days i think quite a lot of work was done and i think differences between systems didn't come in in large amounts after |
| 10:25.45 | batrick | they may feel wine is good enough, but then again "good" 3rd party applications hasn't stopped them before from creating their own in WoW (see in game voice chat) |
| 10:26.42 | wereHamster | I bet it wouldn't be very difficult to port wow to linux, just a matter of a couple days or so.. |
| 10:27.02 | wereHamster | but porting warden would be much more difficult, if not impossible |
| 10:27.34 | Drundia | i need some cool stories about evil warden |
| 10:28.19 | wereHamster | warden would have suid, and I doubt people would want to run a closed-source binary like warden with suid |
| 10:29.23 | Drundia | why not? |
| 10:30.50 | Drundia | after all people run warden on windows and mac |
| 10:31.33 | wereHamster | linux users are more sensitive to such things |
| 10:31.44 | wereHamster | bbl |
| 10:33.09 | Drundia | doesn't absense of native client help people to cheat warden? |
| 10:33.17 | haste | not like writing a bot under linux is a lot of work as it is nwo |
| 10:41.10 | batrick | still crashes =( |
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| 10:53.30 | wereHamster | Drundia, I'd say bots under linux are more capable then under windows, and basically undetectible |
| 10:55.52 | wereHamster | but even if they released a native client, people wanting to cheat would just continue to play under wine, so there wouldn't be any advantage for blizzard in doing that |
| 11:07.50 | Drundia | they can put wine detection into windows client |
| 11:08.16 | Drundia | in theory it should be doable somehow |
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| 11:19.17 | batrick | this is great, so I reinstalled just wow 1.0 from CD, it runs |
| 11:19.26 | batrick | except it only displays on the bottom half of the screen |
| 11:19.29 | batrick | \o/ |
| 11:26.01 | batrick | !lua 3840/2 |
| 11:26.01 | batbot | batrick: > 1920 |
| 11:26.35 | wereHamster | Drundia, they can detect wine, but what do they want to do? refuse to run? do you remember what outcry it was when some players using cedega were mistakenly banned? |
| 11:31.54 | batrick | anyone know why this would happen: http://www.unm.edu/~batrick/files/QQ.png |
| 11:35.24 | wereHamster | dual screen? |
| 11:36.10 | batrick | yes |
| 11:36.52 | wereHamster | you have wine in a virtual desktop and yet WoW has no window decoratin ... |
| 11:37.26 | batrick | I dunno |
| 11:37.38 | batrick | I just made that change to see what would happen |
| 11:38.07 | wereHamster | which resolutin do you have configured in Config.wtf? |
| 11:38.39 | batrick | SET gxResolution "1024x768" |
| 11:38.49 | batrick | maybe that's it |
| 11:39.16 | batrick | nope didn't help : / |
| 11:39.32 | wereHamster | try setting the virtual desktop to a smaller size |
| 11:39.49 | wereHamster | is your vertical resolution 1080? |
| 11:39.54 | batrick | yes |
| 11:40.39 | wereHamster | yeah, metacity sometimes acts weird, it it sees a window the same size as the monitor size, it automatically makes it fullscreen, even if the app doesn't want to |
| 11:40.47 | wereHamster | seems that's what has happened to you |
| 11:40.56 | batrick | http://wowi.pastey.net/88207 |
| 11:41.01 | batrick | that's what it's at now |
| 11:41.41 | Drundia | wereHamster, if they put in native linux client wine won't really be needed and yes that way it can refuse to run |
| 11:42.28 | wereHamster | there will always be a workaround, as anyone can modify wine so to disable the check blizzard would be using |
| 11:42.48 | batrick | it seems to reset the Config.wtf everytime I start up too |
| 11:43.24 | wereHamster | oh yeah, I had that, too. Had to chmod -w the file |
| 11:49.14 | batrick | ya doesn't seem ne thing I do fixes it |
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| 11:52.32 | wereHamster | are you still trying to run wow version 1.0? |
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| 12:09.40 | Lunessa | ... station. |
| 12:15.30 | mikma | oh god damn this motherf* ... http://www.joelkalsi.com/ |
| 12:15.37 | mikma | i hope he burns in hell |
| 12:21.55 | batrick | wereHamster: just installed 2.0 via CD, still does it |
| 12:25.25 | wereHamster | you mean 2.4.2, right? |
| 12:25.51 | batrick | no |
| 12:26.31 | batrick | im gonna just let it patch itself |
| 12:26.44 | batrick | i think the 2.0 patch I downloaded via their torrent system was bad |
| 12:28.28 | Kalroth | mikma: damn, how could he ruin a good song like that :( |
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| 12:30.49 | Mikk | you clearly need to listen to the Tay Zontay rickroll |
| 12:31.50 | haste | zonday* |
| 12:32.33 | mikma | Kalroth: i have no idea, and i actually live like 10km from that idiot. i should go there and give him a black eye |
| 12:39.40 | Lunessa | Chocolate Rick Roll! |
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| 12:48.32 | Legorol | Ugh, there are very few remices that I don't like, but that Monkey Island one just plain made my ears bleed. |
| 12:49.00 | Legorol | Morning Cide |
| 12:49.05 | Cide | morning |
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| 12:54.42 | Lunessa | Syth/midi music makes me hurl anyway. |
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| 13:16.20 | Kaso | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v87/lntkaos/1211460383400.png |
| 13:16.23 | Kaso | i like this image |
| 13:17.10 | Snago | middlendian ftl |
| 13:18.43 | Cide | Kaso: haha, that's so true |
| 13:19.04 | Kaso | iso8601, everyone should do it imo! |
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| 13:26.52 | Lunessa | *headdesk* omg - http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6441212792&sid=1&pageNo=2 |
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| 13:29.39 | Kaso | its amusing how adding some simple logic to macros caused so much confustion and misunderstanding |
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| 13:53.07 | Kaso | Microsoft publishing a large file as a multipart rar file |
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| 13:53.35 | Kaso | that seems odd you'd think they'd have written there own compression format that supports splitting up files. |
| 13:55.08 | Kaso | their own |
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| 14:25.53 | TecnoBrat | Lunessa, hahahahaa |
| 14:33.04 | Industrial | blah, crappy druid oneshotting my lock all the time :< |
| 14:33.10 | Industrial | insane arcane dmg >_O |
| 14:33.18 | Industrial | 1k+ crit at L40 |
| 14:33.47 | Industrial | and he always gets the first shot cuz of stealth... |
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| 14:47.50 | Mikk | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:47.58 | Mikk | isn't that..... what tab does? |
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| 14:49.11 | DARKGuy | mornin' :) |
| 14:49.17 | Intangir | can you do tests on selecting..? |
| 14:49.25 | Intangir | and test if its a pet or totem |
| 14:50.27 | Lopeppeppy | If you're looking for a set of valid conditions for macros, Cogwheel covers that in his stickies on the UI/Macros forum. I don't remember them all off the top of my head, but I doubt those are valid conditions. |
| 14:53.18 | Intangir | im totally going to macro that shit |
| 14:54.21 | mikma | http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/5167/fail2aw2.jpg |
| 14:54.35 | Industrial | i select a target if I dont have one on my lock and hunter in my rotations |
| 14:54.45 | Industrial | and set the pet on the target if the pet doesnt have one |
| 14:57.03 | batrick | does anyone play wow on ubuntu 8.04? |
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| 15:04.36 | Intangir | i do |
| 15:05.16 | Intangir | batrick: are you? |
| 15:05.30 | Intangir | how do i make a macro to NOT target pets/snakes |
| 15:05.45 | Intangir | i want the macro to target the closest PLAYER |
| 15:08.08 | batrick | It keeps crashing when i start it : / |
| 15:08.13 | batrick | what version of wine are you using? |
| 15:08.39 | Intangir | lets see.. |
| 15:08.50 | Intangir | 9.59 |
| 15:08.57 | Intangir | are you using openGL or directX |
| 15:09.17 | batrick | i have no idea |
| 15:09.53 | Intangir | http://www.wowwiki.com/Linux/Wine |
| 15:10.25 | Intangir | that one FPS tweak it mentions, i used that, it helps a ton |
| 15:10.38 | Intangir | also the Config.wtf stuff, you need to set it to openGL (thats probably why its crashing right there) |
| 15:10.48 | Intangir | you dont need to set the sound stuff anymroe i dont think |
| 15:10.50 | batrick | i'm more worried about wow not crashing than FPS but thanks for the link |
| 15:11.01 | sacarasc | dx support in wine is lame at best |
| 15:11.16 | Intangir | opengl is perfect though so theres really no reason to bother with dx at all |
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| 15:11.54 | Intangir | also it runs faster for me ;) |
| 15:12.06 | Intangir | i get 10-15 fps faster on linux with opengl than i do with windows/dx |
| 15:13.05 | Intangir | batrick: are you checking the rest of it? |
| 15:13.10 | alestane | Intangir: We've had PvPers asking for months for a way to target only players. The target commands really don't support that; you can really only ask it to "target a friend", "target an enemy", "target a /party/raid member", or "target something named 'blah'". |
| 15:13.13 | Intangir | i can help you get your sound setup when your done |
| 15:13.23 | cog|work | Intangir: you can't choose what you target at all except by the commands themselves (/targetfriend, /targetparty, etc.) |
| 15:13.36 | Intangir | that really sucks |
| 15:13.39 | Intangir | wish blizz would fix it |
| 15:13.40 | Zyuu | http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/cartographer3/ |
| 15:13.42 | Intangir | or add it |
| 15:13.45 | cog|work | Intangir: it's not broken |
| 15:13.45 | Seerah | it doesn't need fixing |
| 15:13.49 | cog|work | lern2taarget yourself |
| 15:13.51 | Intangir | OR ADD IT |
| 15:13.54 | cog|work | OR NOT |
| 15:13.58 | Seerah | UI not AI |
| 15:14.04 | Seerah | that's Blizzard's official stance |
| 15:14.04 | Intangir | OR NOT NOT |
| 15:14.20 | Seerah | the game will not think for you |
| 15:14.20 | Intangir | well it should ahve flags it can check just like the rest of its macros |
| 15:14.31 | cog|work | huh? |
| 15:14.31 | Industrial | how do i make a macro to NOT target pets/snakes |
| 15:14.32 | Industrial | cant |
| 15:14.45 | Lopeppeppy | All of the flags that a macro can check are listed in the helpful sticky I mentioned. The rest are not possible. |
| 15:14.53 | ZealotOnAStick | best I'm aware you can do is Targetexact |
| 15:14.56 | Intangir | wonder if theres a way to do it thru there |
| 15:15.06 | ZealotOnAStick | but if there's a pet with that same exact name, it'll still lock on to it. |
| 15:15.08 | Seerah | That's only for names |
| 15:15.09 | cog|work | Intangir: even if they had checks, you still wouldn't be able to prevent them from being targeted |
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| 15:15.32 | cog|work | you would be able to choose whether to try to find a new target, but there's no guarantee it wouldn't just pick up the same or another pet/snake |
| 15:15.35 | Intangir | cog|work: well i dont care if it targets it temporarily, as long as it targets the next guy before its done |
| 15:15.50 | Intangir | im going to try to just havem ore than one targetenemy statement and keep running down thel ist until it tests nopet or something |
| 15:15.53 | Intangir | i dont know.. |
| 15:16.27 | Intangir | ya when i hit a snaketrap it will probably still not select past all the snakes before i run out of lines.. even if it allows me to have mroe than one targeenemy |
| 15:17.16 | Industrial | or you just select the hunter :P |
| 15:17.24 | Intangir | with mouse click? |
| 15:17.26 | Industrial | (with the mouse or unitframe) |
| 15:17.41 | Intangir | unitframe? what unitframe |
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| 15:17.55 | Intangir | hunters can really screw with mouse targetting |
| 15:18.00 | Intangir | they pop those snake traps and fake death |
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| 15:18.14 | Intangir | its damn near impossible to retarget them... more effective than vanish (which always fails) |
| 15:18.36 | Seerah | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:18.38 | Intangir | i setup aloft to not show healthbars for snakes/pets/totems |
| 15:18.49 | Intangir | it auto targets a snake as soon as one hits me while the hunter is dead |
| 15:18.56 | Intangir | even with sticky targetting on |
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| 15:19.42 | Intangir | oh so does that still work even if you have a new target? |
| 15:21.54 | Seerah | it's supposed to |
| 15:23.28 | Seerah | that's listed in the sticky peppy pointed you to, also |
| 15:24.46 | foxlit | Wonder what' sup with the lack of this week's daily show videos :( |
| 15:24.55 | foxlit | s/' s/'s / |
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| 15:28.05 | [Liquidor] | This guy is just scary... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4dUnAWC4fc |
| 15:34.29 | Industrial | armory |
| 15:34.31 | Industrial | suck LESS |
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| 15:34.54 | Industrial | o hi lets put 50mb of javascript on our website |
| 15:35.03 | Industrial | reel smart |
| 15:36.39 | haste | :D |
| 15:37.07 | Fisker- | haste |
| 15:37.09 | Fisker- | i'm killing you |
| 15:37.10 | Wikwocket | use armorylite.com |
| 15:37.18 | Kaso | i wonder what'd happen if i tried to use armory on my ipod touch |
| 15:37.22 | haste | Fisker-: can't be! |
| 15:37.25 | Wikwocket | it's fast, lightweight, and awesome |
| 15:37.27 | foxlit | Kaso: it'd work, probably |
| 15:37.38 | Kaso | after about half an hour of loading |
| 15:37.38 | Fisker- | but it is haste |
| 15:37.40 | Fisker- | mwuhahahah |
| 15:37.46 | foxlit | Kaso: unlikely |
| 15:37.54 | foxlit | touch = safari = pre-rendered HTML + JS |
| 15:37.58 | haste | Fisker-: know :( |
| 15:38.15 | haste | Fisker-: please corpse camp ! :D |
| 15:38.28 | Intangir | batrick: you get it working? |
| 15:38.31 | foxlit | It's actually pretty fast, though tooltip positions are a bit meh |
| 15:38.52 | foxlit | [safari, not touch] |
| 15:39.25 | Industrial | armorylite is broken it seems |
| 15:39.42 | Wikwocket | doh it is right now |
| 15:39.56 | Wikwocket | ok, well *normally* it is awesome ;) |
| 15:40.42 | Industrial | ;D |
| 15:41.00 | Industrial | I use warcrafter.net but yeah you have to sync with the armory and that fails aswell |
| 15:46.04 | Industrial | http://vashj-eu.warcrafter.net/xamth |
| 15:46.06 | Industrial | but its old :\ |
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| 15:46.29 | cncfanatics | yo all |
| 15:47.33 | Industrial | hai |
| 15:47.43 | Seerah | morning |
| 15:47.56 | Industrial | Whats the entrance level for doing MT(hc)? Could I go with the shammy I just linked? |
| 15:48.06 | Industrial | wtb epix ;x |
| 15:49.00 | Wikwocket | Are you refering to what kind of gear do you need? |
| 15:49.35 | Industrial | yes, cause groups arent letting me in, and theres no way to get gear without actually doing it first :P |
| 15:50.35 | Wikwocket | let's see, for elemental |
| 15:51.31 | Wikwocket | you do have a lot of greens, probably there are better options from quests and reps |
| 15:51.45 | Seerah | Indie has a 70!!!! |
| 15:52.13 | Industrial | 2 actually |
| 15:52.18 | Seerah | since when? :P |
| 15:52.24 | Wikwocket | I think for a heroic MgT most people would like to see mostly blues and a few epics, less if the other groupmates are veterans |
| 15:52.31 | Industrial | january my first (hunter) this one a month ago |
| 15:52.51 | Industrial | hmm okay |
| 15:52.52 | Seerah | yay :) perhaps that's why you were a little sparse on the forums ;) |
| 15:52.58 | Industrial | :D |
| 15:53.27 | Seerah | I'd do some regular instances and/or other heroics first, Indie |
| 15:53.56 | Seerah | do the daily ones, get some badges and some badge loot |
| 15:54.02 | Wikwocket | I could advise you some easy blues to get from quests if you like |
| 15:54.07 | Seerah | quests, too |
| 15:54.09 | Seerah | or crafted |
| 15:54.24 | Industrial | Wikwocket: well I'm trying to assemble both a pve and pvp set, because I like both; its still mixed now because the pvp blues are the best I've got for pve. I guess getting "of the Invoker" stuff off the ah and getting 25-30% spellcrit would be better |
| 15:55.47 | Seerah | do you have gems in your helm? Or is that old? |
| 15:55.55 | Industrial | its old |
| 15:56.06 | Industrial | I have the s1 helm now, ungemmed atm |
| 15:56.15 | Industrial | also got Skycall Totem yesterday |
| 15:56.29 | Seerah | wtf? you have the nightbane shield? :P |
| 15:56.42 | Industrial | yeah |
| 15:56.49 | Wikwocket | that's an odd choice for elemental |
| 15:56.53 | Seerah | looks good with your greens ;) |
| 15:57.13 | Seerah | nah, it's got int and spellpower on it |
| 15:57.18 | Seerah | and it's purplz |
| 15:57.21 | Industrial | hehe :P I'm running kara with http://vashj-eu.warcrafter.net/guilds/The+Aunans |
| 15:57.26 | cncfanatics | PURPLZ POWERZ |
| 15:57.29 | cncfanatics | GIEV YELLOWS |
| 15:57.40 | Industrial | they do everything for fun/badges so i get the lewtz T_T |
| 15:57.56 | cncfanatics | well, my guild actualy runs kara to farm voids :p |
| 15:57.57 | Seerah | woot |
| 15:58.13 | cncfanatics | we also sell TK & SSC loot :) |
| 15:58.19 | cncfanatics | and sometimes MH too |
| 15:58.53 | Industrial | but tips are always welcome Wikwocket :3 |
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| 15:59.21 | Fisker- | Anyone know if i can parse attributes using XSLT? |
| 16:00.19 | ckknight | you can if you believe you can |
| 16:00.55 | Fisker- | I BELIEVE |
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| 16:09.26 | Industrial | got 2 +8 resil gems, 134 resi now |
| 16:11.10 | Mikk | how can you be out of voids to the point where you need to farm it? |
| 16:11.27 | Mikk | we've got a whole guildbank column full, and we give out to anyone needing gear/enchants |
| 16:11.34 | Mikk | 2 columns i mean |
| 16:11.40 | Mikk | so er... 16? slots |
| 16:11.53 | foxlit | split them into prismatic shards, celebrate them disappearing like hotkeys! |
| 16:11.58 | foxlit | s/keys/cakes/ |
| 16:12.09 | Mikk | mmm for half the price they used to |
| 16:12.11 | Mikk | nothanks! |
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| 16:13.16 | foxlit | That may be the reason you're stuck with crystals no one wants :) |
| 16:14.06 | Mikk | Well, if a guildie requested crystal to split and sell I |
| 16:14.11 | Mikk | I'd kick his ass |
| 16:15.52 | foxlit | Split in enchant, silly. |
| 16:15.56 | foxlit | s/in/and/ |
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| 16:22.45 | Intangir | batrick: yo |
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| 16:25.09 | [dRaCo] | anyone got the url of that auction price tracking website? |
| 16:27.35 | schnoggo | wowecon? |
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| 16:33.07 | GFT | wasssup |
| 16:33.56 | Wikwocket | wowhead has very basic average item prices now |
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| 16:58.43 | Lunessa | Everybody have fun tonight. Everybody Wang-Chung tonight. |
| 17:01.02 | Lunessa | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6440924010&sid=1 - can this be filed under "you misunderstand the mechanics" please? |
| 17:01.48 | Mikk | http://www.wowgoons.com/ <- is that shit for real? |
| 17:02.03 | Mikk | + platinum members getting priority on healing? |
| 17:02.45 | Industrial | no its not |
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| 17:11.44 | Lunessa | wait, they charge cash for dues - @ $10/month per Bronze membership and claim 1200 members. $12,000/month in dues? $144,000/year? Someone is making a good living... |
| 17:12.32 | GFT | just think about how much WoW itself makes in subscriptions every month :D |
| 17:13.07 | Lunessa | WoW has significantly higher overhead. |
| 17:13.14 | GFT | yeah true |
| 17:13.22 | GFT | but still |
| 17:13.23 | GFT | hah |
| 17:13.34 | GFT | say average of $13 a month with 5 million accounts |
| 17:13.37 | Lunessa | And at no point (unless you multi-box) do you have to pay up to $50/month. |
| 17:13.57 | GFT | that's 65,000,000 a month |
| 17:15.15 | Lunessa | I'm not saying WoW isn't a huge profit center. I'm just saying $10-$50/month for guild membership is a good scam and I wish I'd thought of it. |
| 17:15.43 | GFT | yeah.. just have to come up with an idea |
| 17:15.44 | GFT | hah |
| 17:18.13 | Legorol | Revenue =/= Profit |
| 17:18.26 | Legorol | Blizzard's revenue is significant from subscriptions, but they also have huge costs I'm sure. |
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| 17:18.37 | Legorol | Not to mean they aren't making crazy profits too |
| 17:18.48 | Valaron|Work | ??? |
| 17:18.55 | Valaron|Work | Profit? |
| 17:18.58 | GFT | well yeah.. but 65 million a month! i mean geez |
| 17:18.59 | GFT | haha |
| 17:19.07 | Lunessa | Legorol: I wasn't arguing that revenue = profit. |
| 17:19.23 | Legorol | I know Lunessa, but you know what you are talking. Other people were confusing revenue with profit though. |
| 17:19.31 | Legorol | Very often |
| 17:19.49 | Lunessa | Yes, they do. Cash Flow !=profit. |
| 17:19.56 | Legorol | I'm tired of hearing "Blizzard makes so much profit from subscriptions <insert math of 10 million * subscription fee>!!" |
| 17:20.31 | Lunessa | Let those people start a business and fail in an epic fashion... |
| 17:20.32 | Drundia | obviously they are saving a lot because servers just keep crashing |
| 17:20.39 | Legorol | hehe the cynic |
| 17:20.42 | GFT | I own a business |
| 17:20.42 | Lopeppeppy | ^^ serious fallacy |
| 17:20.46 | GFT | and it's successful |
| 17:21.47 | Lunessa | GFT, excellent. My point was most people are innumerate and know nothing about business, so they see subscription numbers, and do one small calculation and decide that is the whole story. |
| 17:21.56 | Wikwocket | Stupid question time: is applying a mask in lua as simple as doing "and 0x0000FFFF" ? |
| 17:22.08 | alestane | Wikwocket: NOt quite. |
| 17:22.30 | alestane | It's "bit.band(val, 0x0000FFFF)" |
| 17:22.55 | Wikwocket | Ah |
| 17:23.29 | Wikwocket | So I could do "bit.band(srcGUID, 0x0000FFFF)" |
| 17:23.34 | foxlit | I wonder |
| 17:23.39 | foxlit | You'd probably be better off % ing that |
| 17:23.56 | Wikwocket | to get just the affiliation/reaction/ownership flags? |
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| 17:27.05 | foxlit | no, just generally. bitlib calls involve a bit of a run around in converting floats/ints, so if you want a band of something that simple, it's probably more efficient to implement it with a modulo division |
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| 17:28.02 | rnww | lua> "ckknight smells like feet of an onion" |
| 17:28.02 | rnww | ~lart ckknight |
| 17:28.02 | purl | slaps ckknight upside the head with a wet fish |
| 17:28.02 | rnww | lua> "ckknight smells like feet of an onion" |
| 17:28.05 | rnww | lua> "ckknight smells like feet of an onion" |
| 17:29.04 | ckknight | :-( my onion feet |
| 17:30.59 | Wikwocket | foxlit: ok, thanks for the advice |
| 17:31.09 | Wikwocket | foxlit: let me try the mod first then |
| 17:32.53 | foxlit | >>> right=true; for i=1,10000 do n = math.random(0, 99999999); right = right and (bit.band(, 0x0000FFFF) == (n % (0x0000FFFF+1)); end print(tostring(right)); |
| 17:33.37 | foxlit | true; |
| 17:33.43 | foxlit | with some typos fixed |
| 17:35.25 | Wikwocket | isn't 0x0000FFFF+1 just 0x00010000? Or am I missing something? :) |
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| 17:39.51 | foxlit | You're not missing anything; I just wanted to illustrate that +1 :) |
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| 17:40.27 | Wikwocket | Gotcha |
| 17:40.42 | Wikwocket | I just checked in game too and both worked; thank you, this fixes a bug in my mod! |
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| 17:59.30 | |Jelly| | WAIT WAIT WAIT! Shirik|Work ?!? WORK?!? |
| 17:59.42 | Seerah | rofl |
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| 17:59.59 | Seerah | iirc, it's an internship |
| 18:00.05 | Fisker- | ~failrik |
| 18:00.06 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 18:00.20 | Lunessa | So like, all the downsides and none of the upsides? |
| 18:00.23 | Seerah | see what you guys did? |
| 18:00.34 | |Jelly| | Aww. |
| 18:00.42 | ckknight | hehe |
| 18:01.09 | |Jelly| | ~hug ckknight |
| 18:01.09 | purl | ACTION hugs ckknight |
| 18:01.26 | |Jelly| | I keep finding more and more neat things to do with Dogtags. <3 |
| 18:01.56 | ckknight | hehe |
| 18:02.05 | ckknight | I do other cool stuff, too |
| 18:03.15 | |Jelly| | Don't lie to me. |
| 18:03.34 | |Jelly| | By the way, thank you so much for implementing the alpha for the pitbull bar backgrounds! <333 |
| 18:04.15 | Seerah | I just heard that you can make text all caps or lowercase with it! |
| 18:04.32 | |Jelly| | small caps imo :P |
| 18:05.11 | ckknight | |Jelly|: *thumbs up* |
| 18:05.35 | ckknight | I'm trying to hype up cartographer3 |
| 18:05.37 | ckknight | ~cartographer3 |
| 18:05.38 | purl | well, cartographer3 is the successor to WoW addon Cartographer, acts similarly to google maps. Download at http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/cartographer3/ - Provide feedback at http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/cartographer3/tickets/. Video: http://www.vimeo.com/917523 |
| 18:05.40 | ckknight | woo. |
| 18:06.08 | |Jelly| | orly. hmmmmmm |
| 18:06.15 | Seerah | oh, is it done/ready? |
| 18:07.35 | ckknight | Seerah: I'm considering it beta |
| 18:07.41 | Seerah | *nod* |
| 18:07.45 | ckknight | v0.1.1 :-P |
| 18:08.13 | ckknight | the full version should probably be like 3.0.1.1 or someting |
| 18:08.16 | ckknight | something* |
| 18:08.17 | ckknight | I dunno. |
| 18:09.01 | Seerah | I just pushed a beta version to my mod that's in the beta category at wowi and was joking that it was a beta-beta. (okay, maybe that was only funny to me......) |
| 18:09.23 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 18:09.25 | Wikwocket | does cartographer3 support the plugins like herbalism, instance loot, etc? |
| 18:09.29 | nevcairiel | kinda funny if you think about it, really |
| 18:09.41 | Seerah | <3 nev |
| 18:10.16 | Seerah | wb Cairenn |
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| 18:10.28 | Cairenn | morning :) |
| 18:10.41 | |Jelly| | Anyone have a link to a 2.4 version of DUF? |
| 18:10.47 | |Jelly| | GOOD MORNING CAIRENN! <3333 |
| 18:11.01 | |Jelly| | (Can you tell I'm about to need something approved? :P ) |
| 18:11.08 | nevcairiel | DUF is still alive? |
| 18:11.17 | Cairenn | |Jelly|: lol |
| 18:11.23 | Seerah | http://underworldexodus.com/forum/ |
| 18:11.30 | |Jelly| | Well, I want to use it along with Pitbull and really piss off my world. |
| 18:11.56 | nevcairiel | man people just cant give it up |
| 18:12.45 | |Jelly| | Well, while I *do* love Pitbull, there are still some things that it doesn't do such as independent movement of HP/Mana bars. |
| 18:13.53 | Industrial | hmm, who else thinks answering everyone who greets you with "the naru have not forgotten us" makes you look .. insane? |
| 18:14.08 | nevcairiel | i do |
| 18:14.26 | Lunessa | Industrial: The Naaru have /not/ forgotten us. |
| 18:14.26 | ckknight | Wikwocket: for those, I recommend using something like Gatherer or GatherMate |
| 18:14.32 | alestane | Ever keep left-clicking a draenei until he wants to know, "Do you require medication?" |
| 18:15.05 | Industrial | haha |
| 18:15.08 | Industrial | yes :p |
| 18:15.26 | nevcairiel | i tried that for like all npcs i could find %) |
| 18:16.32 | Lunessa | I like the goblin "This isn't funny anymore!" one. |
| 18:17.40 | |Jelly| | WTB uploading status bar. :( |
| 18:17.54 | ckknight | uploading where? |
| 18:18.01 | |Jelly| | WoWI |
| 18:19.03 | Wikwocket | ckknight: so Cartographer 3 is more about being a Google Maps-style map than a static map with info and notes? |
| 18:19.15 | ckknight | well, I want info and notes. |
| 18:19.34 | ckknight | but I want the interface to be google maps-esque |
| 18:19.50 | Wikwocket | Ah |
| 18:21.24 | Wikwocket | Industrial: it's the Scryer NPCs that strike me as the least balanced |
| 18:21.50 | Wikwocket | you click them and they say "We will be avenged!!" and you're like, okay, I just wanted to check my bank, I'll come by later... |
| 18:22.07 | Lunessa | Death to all who oppose us! |
| 18:23.11 | Wikwocket | yeah that's it :) |
| 18:23.43 | Seerah | |Jelly| it depends on your upload speed |
| 18:24.06 | |Jelly| | It's taking a million years! |
| 18:24.16 | |Jelly| | ZOMG! |
| 18:24.19 | Seerah | how big is the file? |
| 18:24.21 | |Jelly| | Mah pineapple bumblebee! |
| 18:24.23 | |Jelly| | 27mb |
| 18:24.42 | Seerah | then it's no surprise :P |
| 18:25.00 | |Jelly| | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:25.11 | Seerah | :) |
| 18:25.15 | Seerah | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:25.33 | Seerah | Patience, Jelly-san |
| 18:25.42 | |Jelly| | WTF is that? |
| 18:27.50 | Seerah | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patience_%28opera%29 (I was Saphir, though, not Patience :P) |
| 18:28.09 | Cairenn | approved |
| 18:28.37 | |Jelly| | muahaha! <3 |
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| 18:42.24 | Zurik44 | lol Zurik you kicked me off! |
| 18:43.00 | Tekkub | iDolby? someone just get a mac? |
| 18:43.31 | dolby | nah just my 2ndary nick if I go LD |
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| 18:44.10 | iZurik | hey how do i register my nick so i don't get kicked off? |
| 18:44.29 | iZurik | cuz I thought I registered it the other day.. and now i got z Boot from Zurik |
| 18:45.05 | dolby | http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup |
| 18:45.28 | iZurik | but i did that. |
| 18:46.13 | dolby | ok and when you change to your registered nick do you login to nickserv after? |
| 18:47.20 | iZurik | hrm.. i thought MIRC does that for you. |
| 18:47.48 | iZurik | but now i guess i have to wait until Zurik get's off of my name then i can register it no? |
| 18:49.17 | iZurik | there might not be anyone using Zurik.. cuz i got DC'd and it wouldn't let me back on. |
| 18:49.17 | Xuerian | If the Zurik in this channel now has the name registered, no, you cannot |
| 18:49.43 | iZurik | I registered the name Zurik 2 days ago |
| 18:49.54 | iZurik | that's why i don't know how i got kicked off |
| 18:50.03 | iZurik | i used /msg nickserve [password] |
| 18:50.12 | iZurik | that's suposed to protect it right? |
| 18:51.12 | Xuerian | ./nickserv release <name> <password> /nickserv recover <name> <password> |
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| 18:51.52 | iZurik | this is wierd. |
| 18:51.53 | iZurik | ickServ- The nickname [zurik] is not registered |
| 18:51.59 | Xuerian | If you're not sure, have a discussion with nickserv's help. /nickserv help (or /msg nickserv help, whichever) |
| 18:53.26 | Zurik | ok.. says it's registered now. |
| 18:54.53 | Xuerian | 0_o |
| 18:56.27 | Zuirk | omfg .. nickserv is going haywire on me. |
| 18:56.31 | Seerah | ? |
| 18:56.43 | Xuerian | ... |
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| 18:57.47 | Xuerian | ...0_o |
| 18:57.58 | Zurik | lol |
| 18:58.10 | Xuerian | You're auth'ing, right? |
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| 18:58.46 | Zurik | nm.. it's fixed now. |
| 18:59.06 | Zurik | it's cuz i had /nick 'd my name to Zuirk lol |
| 18:59.12 | Zurik | instead of Zurik |
| 18:59.42 | Zurik | i am now Xuerian |
| 18:59.55 | Xuerian | ah :P |
| 19:00.17 | Zurik | now back to good ole addon dev. |
| 19:00.18 | Zurik | :D |
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| 19:29.20 | Lunessa | Geek Cred @ Wired: http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2008/05/exclusive-dd--1.html |
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| 19:34.34 | zenzelezz | since no-one else has the courtesy... hi Lopeppeppy! |
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| 19:37.26 | foxlit | Xuerian: so, any experiences with 0.2? |
| 19:39.44 | Xuerian | foxlit: Haven't played wow much yet, but I did nab it and use it a little on my warlock. I'd suggest grouping the warlock rings differently; one for SS/HS/HS-Summon/Summon mount, and one for summons (imp/void/succy/felhunter/(/felguard)/infernal/eye |
| 19:39.46 | Xuerian | *) |
| 19:45.07 | Lunessa | http://blog.wired.com/games/2008/05/review-penny-ar.html |
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| 19:46.24 | Fisker- | shitty arcade is shiiiittyyyy |
| 19:49.18 | Lopeppeppy | Heyo, zenzelezz! *hug* |
| 19:50.15 | zenzelezz | now this is my kind of rogue: http://www.wowinsider.com/photos/blizzcon-costumes-1/338401/full/ |
| 19:53.27 | wereHamster | and what class are these two? http://www.wowinsider.com/photos/blizzcon-costumes-1/339904/full/ |
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| 19:54.44 | GFT | :D |
| 19:54.48 | GFT | rogue and druid :P |
| 19:54.56 | GFT | they need those skins in game |
| 19:55.13 | zenzelezz | the warlock guy was there too o_O |
| 19:55.29 | zenzelezz | http://www.wowinsider.com/photos/blizzcon-costumes-1/338399/full/ |
| 19:55.33 | Lunessa | wereHamster: Do you really care what class they are? I just want to know if they're available. |
| 19:55.39 | GFT | haha |
| 19:55.47 | NightHawkTheSan1 | (the answer is probably no) :P |
| 19:56.20 | Lunessa | Of /course/ that's the answer, but the point is - he's asking the wrong question! |
| 19:56.28 | NightHawkTheSan1 | hehe |
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| 19:58.06 | Wikwocket | the Starbucks logo in the background really makes that warlock costume |
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| 20:19.23 | Xuerian | Those this year? |
| 20:19.36 | Xuerian | (And is there a video of the stage part? >_>) |
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| 20:37.48 | Lunessa | The wheels of justice grind slowly... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/19/AR2008051902658.html?nav=rss_technology |
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| 20:44.31 | wereHamster | because in the US of A, if the prosecution does the tiniest error, the defence will rip them apart.. so they must prepare everything with much care |
| 20:45.32 | ckknight | woo, America! |
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| 20:58.25 | Lunessa | I worked at AOL from '94-'99 (last day Dec 31, 1999) and I still follow the news about the company. |
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| 21:54.57 | Olison | Any decisions made yet about the classcolor for deathknights? |
| 21:55.11 | Valaron|Work | Pink |
| 21:55.17 | foxlit | They're desperately out of hues |
| 21:55.21 | foxlit | Expect dark green |
| 21:55.21 | Lunessa | With bunnys and kittens |
| 21:55.58 | foxlit | Or maybe forget the whole class color idea and use icons for everything |
| 21:56.04 | Valaron|Work | Dark green is so... illegible. |
| 21:56.48 | foxlit | and pink is already occupied by paladins, and, in a different brightness, warlocks. |
| 21:56.56 | Valaron|Work | Oh yeah |
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| 22:02.23 | Wikwocket | Green might work, it is used for pets in Grid and it stands out |
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| 22:07.17 | Lunessa | Pastels are passe. They should go with Earth Tones. :P |
| 22:07.41 | ckknight | Lunessa: there's already brown and green |
| 22:07.53 | ckknight | gray could work, but *shrug* |
| 22:07.59 | Lunessa | I wasn't serious. |
| 22:09.00 | Zurik | are there more than one type of button template? |
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| 22:09.06 | Zurik | is there* |
| 22:09.12 | Zurik | lol i learn how spoke good. |
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| 22:15.19 | wereHamster | Zurik: there are |
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| 22:16.37 | wereHamster | Zurik: egrep -r 'Button.*Template' FrameXML/ | grep 'virtual="true"' |
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| 22:37.56 | enum | anyone know a way to "dump" a table from within my lua code? kind of like /dump from DevTools |
| 22:38.27 | Xuerian | DevTools_Dump() last I checked... check devtools' page/code |
| 22:38.32 | enum | thanks |
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| 23:19.54 | Lunessa | LOL - /gquit to go play Age of Conan - http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/4175/wowscrnshot052208181641jo3.jpg |
| 23:20.35 | Lopeppeppy | *hug* |
| 23:20.54 | Lunessa | That image makes me laugh. |
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| 23:21.10 | DARKGuy | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:22.05 | Zurik | yeah what's the deal with Age Of Conan? |
| 23:22.10 | Zurik | is that game anygood? |
| 23:22.26 | Lunessa | I'm hearing very good things about it. |
| 23:22.35 | DARKGuy | WoW is better than anything else I've played though. |
| 23:22.42 | Zurik | yeah, one of my good friends quit wow all together to go play that game. |
| 23:22.45 | DARKGuy | AoC isn't gonna persuade me >:O |
| 23:22.50 | Lunessa | WoW is better than anything that came before it. |
| 23:23.04 | DARKGuy | It has a better lore though, imho. |
| 23:23.09 | Zurik | yeah, me either.. i still haven't done so much in WoW.. it would be lame for me to go to another game and start all over. |
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| 23:24.23 | Lunessa | Actually, I like the "everything is new" stage of a game. I wouldn't like to move to a 4th server and start again in WoW, but a new game? Oh yeah. |
| 23:24.49 | Kaso | http://img.waffleimages.com/3b5c75d535796ad43979a2228e64bd7f497dbd95/shurikensandlightning.jpg |
| 23:24.52 | Kaso | Loving this ^ |
| 23:25.09 | DARKGuy | It depends on the game though. I don't think any other game can offer the kind of environment liberty you can get - well, except AC, but that isn't an MMORPG :P |
| 23:25.24 | DARKGuy | s/liberty/freedom/ |
| 23:25.40 | DARKGuy | Kaso, haha |
| 23:26.08 | Kaso | valve clearly big yahtzee fans |
| 23:26.43 | Lunessa | I'll probably give it a spin. I mean, I tried lots of games before. I just haven't played much since settling on WoW. |
| 23:27.06 | DARKGuy | be sure to tell if it's any good :P |
| 23:27.14 | DARKGuy | I'm just tired of all the asian Lineage II clones |
| 23:28.06 | DARKGuy | The kill-and-wait-an-hour or travel-10-pixels-in-a-week thing isn't for me |
| 23:30.32 | Nechckn_SomeZs | AOC is like taking LOTRO and adding *tons* of blood |
| 23:30.41 | Lunessa | The thing is, I'm not into PvP. I'm not good at "twitch" games - so if a game's experience is tied to twitch factor or PvP - it's not going to be that great for me. |
| 23:31.09 | Nechckn_SomeZs | it's much more true-to-life than WoW, amazing if you have the system capable of showing it, too |
| 23:31.21 | Industrial | ive never understood twitch |
| 23:31.23 | Industrial | what is twitch |
| 23:31.30 | DARKGuy | oO... |
| 23:31.34 | Industrial | apparently I always like to play twitch games. |
| 23:31.37 | DARKGuy | hard to explain :p |
| 23:32.13 | Nechckn_SomeZs | the only real addition is that it's not "auto-attack" you have to click or button each attack |
| 23:32.29 | Lunessa | Industrial: Twitch games are games which require high levels of hand-eye coordination/reaction time to play. most FPS games are "twitch" |
| 23:32.30 | Nechckn_SomeZs | so no start attack, then take a nap til the end of the raid boss |
| 23:32.31 | Industrial | can you click reel fast? |
| 23:32.33 | Industrial | :P |
| 23:33.07 | DARKGuy | oh yay, Diablo II system. |
| 23:33.09 | DARKGuy | I like that. |
| 23:33.10 | Industrial | Nechckn_SomeZs: third party macros, send key events to click automatically >_> There is always a way.. |
| 23:33.19 | Nechckn_SomeZs | It's interesting and all, but only time will tell... funcom is supposedly opening up the game to WoW style addons so that will be interesting |
| 23:33.23 | DARKGuy | haha |
| 23:33.40 | Industrial | im waiting for Warhammer Online |
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| 23:33.46 | Industrial | didnt get into beta |
| 23:34.13 | Nechckn_SomeZs | Industrial but you have to click a certain left, right or overhand if you want a good damage combo to go with your abilities |
| 23:34.17 | Lunessa | Industrial: I'm waiting for the WH40K MMO. |
| 23:34.40 | Industrial | Its going to be tough deciding if Ill skip WotLK and wait for WAR or not |
| 23:34.41 | Nechckn_SomeZs | so a macro that just mucks through L, R, and overhand would not be all that great |
| 23:34.56 | Industrial | Lunessa: ever pleayed anything warhammer, but I did play Mythic's previouse game, Dark age of Camelot |
| 23:35.06 | Industrial | never* |
| 23:35.15 | Industrial | -typos |
| 23:35.27 | Nechckn_SomeZs | I like the stylized WoW and FFXI content myself.. true-to-life is pretty but limited imnsho |
| 23:35.40 | Lunessa | Industrial: I played DAoC for a while. It wasn't for me. I went back to EQ 'cause I didn't want to be /forced/ to PvP to advance. |
| 23:35.57 | Industrial | it was all pvp for me heh xD |
| 23:35.58 | Lunessa | And I played all kinds of WH40K miniatures. :) |
| 23:36.00 | Industrial | best pvp game ever |
| 23:36.15 | Industrial | before the buffing bots that is |
| 23:36.22 | Lunessa | I'm just not into PvP. |
| 23:36.46 | Industrial | Nechckn_SomeZs: I like it when you can compare yourself to your character |
| 23:36.47 | Lunessa | If I want PvP, Unreal Tournament or Quake II or Quake III rapidly cures me of the itch. |
| 23:37.14 | Nechckn_SomeZs | Industrial as soon as I can turn into a bear, I'll be happy =) |
| 23:37.15 | Industrial | I catually like default grey bland etc looking full armor sets that look like a normal human being better then big bear heads on your shoulders |
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| 23:37.56 | Nechckn_SomeZs | both have their merits, you can expand the bounds a bit with the stylized games though |
| 23:38.22 | Industrial | Lunessa: meh thats hardly the same, theres loads and loads more tactics in MMORPG, but less refinement of skills. Most skills are timing and knowing what's going to happen (tactics) |
| 23:38.29 | Nechckn_SomeZs | AOC will have some wild seige content... where your guild builds a town/keep and others attack it.. that looks interesting |
| 23:38.53 | Industrial | DAOC had that, it was fun |
| 23:39.31 | Lunessa | Industrial: It's fine if /you/ like it. *I* don't. PvP doesn't make me have fun, it makes me feel like I laid my genitalia on the table next to a hammer and a sign that says, "I dare you!" |
| 23:39.35 | Industrial | in DAOC the battlegrounds were 1v1v1 (3 factions) with like a big castle, destructable in the middle of the bg. it had a king in it with guards, like av |
| 23:40.18 | Industrial | Lunessa: hmm I guess. Have you ever tried it in an organized group, where everyone plays a role like in pve? |
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| 23:40.42 | Lunessa | Yes. Mostly in WoW. I'm still not a fan. |
| 23:41.01 | Industrial | I still need to try pvp healing some day :P leveling a druid |
| 23:41.28 | Industrial | im usually the sneaky bastard - get you from a distance type |
| 23:41.29 | Industrial | :D |
| 23:41.31 | Lunessa | After an afternoon of hearing how much I suck and spending 8 months on a PvP server in WoW (launch -> right before honor system patch) I learned 1 thing. PvP is not for me. |
| 23:42.10 | Industrial | in DaoC you had the scout class, you could stealth and do big damage from big distances |
| 23:42.27 | Industrial | sort of like night elf shadowmeld + aimed shot (hunter) |
| 23:42.52 | Nechckn_SomeZs | Industrial I hope more games have that sort of character type |
| 23:43.20 | Industrial | daoc also had lots of classes, like 10-15 per realm (each realm had different) |
| 23:43.30 | Industrial | it brought its own balance issues but it sure was fun |
| 23:43.36 | Industrial | each had talent trees too |
| 23:43.44 | Nechckn_SomeZs | as long as there are "big" drawbacks so everyone doesn't become one. like the sniper guns in various FPSes, seems like they degenerate to sniper v sniper after a while |
| 23:44.57 | Industrial | Nechckn_SomeZs: well for example daoc made havey use of mezmerize, like druid hibernate but on any target |
| 23:44.57 | Industrial | also, AoE mezz |
| 23:44.57 | Nechckn_SomeZs | ah... interesting |
| 23:45.00 | Industrial | so the game in group vs group usually was who can mezz the other mezzer first, because some of those spells were instant |
| 23:46.08 | Industrial | each realm has a musician class that can give the whole group a walk speed buff (wielding an instrument and playing it) and then use a flute to mezmerize, or another song to regen mana/power/sta (another stat used for sprinting etc) |
| 23:46.26 | Industrial | man, memories xD |
| 23:46.32 | Shirik | what the hell |
| 23:46.48 | Shirik | ok, I just changed my email address at bankofamerica.com and they sent me an email as I expected |
| 23:47.07 | Industrial | but yeah it looks like utter crap now, and everyone started using 2 accounts with a bot on the other that buffs you automatically etc |
| 23:47.17 | Industrial | to the point where it was mandatory to have all buffs |
| 23:47.24 | Shirik | in it, it says it was changed by a "Bank of America customer using a laptop for Online Banking" |
| 23:47.25 | Industrial | pretty lame |
| 23:47.32 | Shirik | .... how do they know that |
| 23:47.59 | DARKGuy | the US govt. spies you |
| 23:48.02 | Industrial | Shirik: is this a question or? |
| 23:48.08 | Shirik | yes! |
| 23:48.12 | Shirik | how did they know that? |
| 23:48.16 | DARKGuy | The laptop itself said you were using it |
| 23:48.22 | DARKGuy | without you knowing |
| 23:48.25 | DARKGuy | or it was M$'s fault. |
| 23:48.26 | DARKGuy | :P |
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| 23:51.37 | Lunessa | Shirik: Umm... User Agent field from your browser includes machine name. |
| 23:51.48 | Shirik | how does that tell them it's a laptop though :/ |
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| 23:52.59 | dolby | guessing cause your on wifi/aircard ? |
| 23:53.07 | Lunessa | I'm guessing that they pulled the data from the browser. I'm assuming you're upset because they're right... |
| 23:53.37 | dolby | or they assume every one is on a laptop? hehe |
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| 23:55.25 | Lunessa | That would be my fall back position. |
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