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| 00:05.39 | Shot | Do I need to do anything for my button to display a hilight texture, other than set one for it? |
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| 00:17.22 | GFT | do you have to close wow completely in order to load changes to an addon you are making? or do you just need to log out complete, and relogin with your username and password? |
| 00:17.53 | Arrowmaster | depends what you change |
| 00:18.05 | foxlit | >>> t, a = {}, {}; print(t == setmetatable(t, a)); |
| 00:18.05 | Cide | foxlit: true |
| 00:18.40 | _rane | Arrowmaster: does it? :p |
| 00:18.50 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 00:18.53 | Shirik | foxlit: Still the same object :) |
| 00:19.01 | foxlit | Wanted to make sure |
| 00:19.02 | Arrowmaster | adding files or changing the toc requires a restart |
| 00:19.06 | GFT | so if I change the .lua can I just reloadui?> |
| 00:19.14 | Arrowmaster | editing a lua or xml file just needs a reload |
| 00:19.15 | _rane | and what required relogging? |
| 00:19.18 | _rane | yes |
| 00:19.24 | foxlit | adding new files, modifying .toc |
| 00:19.26 | GFT | ok thanks |
| 00:19.26 | _rane | nothing requires relogging |
| 00:19.32 | _rane | so that was weird question |
| 00:19.38 | Arrowmaster | yes it does |
| 00:19.48 | GFT | adding new files or modifying .toc |
| 00:19.57 | foxlit | hm, I wonder |
| 00:20.01 | GFT | but changing code in the lua or xml i can reloadui from the game |
| 00:20.01 | _rane | it's either /reloadui or restart |
| 00:20.03 | GFT | gotcha |
| 00:20.03 | GFT | thanks |
| 00:20.17 | foxlit | local var = Storage[name] or CreateStorageEntry(name); |
| 00:20.22 | GFT | making for first addon >..< |
| 00:20.25 | GFT | lots to learn |
| 00:20.25 | GFT | heh |
| 00:20.31 | foxlit | vs setmetatable(Storage, {__index=CreateStorageEntry})) |
| 00:20.33 | Arrowmaster | ~wowprograming |
| 00:20.40 | Arrowmaster | ~wowprogramming |
| 00:20.41 | purl | somebody said wowprogramming was World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons (http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob) a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 00:23.33 | Shot | why is the direction of slashes in texture addresses important in lua but not in xml? |
| 00:23.41 | Shot | # |
| 00:23.43 | Shot | <HighlightTexture file="Interface\QuestFrame\UI-QuestTitleHighlight" alphaMode="ADD"> |
| 00:23.49 | Shot | this works fine in FriendsFrame.xml |
| 00:23.56 | foxlit | Well, no |
| 00:24.04 | Shot | but it doesn't work unless the slashes are / in lua |
| 00:24.18 | foxlit | >>> "Look, it's a \tab"; |
| 00:24.19 | Cide | foxlit: "Look, it's a \tab" |
| 00:24.46 | Cide | ha |
| 00:24.53 | foxlit | With no escaping, that's |
| 00:24.55 | foxlit | foxlit: "Look, it's a ab" |
| 00:25.06 | Shot | ah, didn't think about that |
| 00:25.15 | Shot | but i didn't expect it would try to escape Q or U |
| 00:25.19 | foxlit | XML uses different string quoting rules |
| 00:25.23 | Shot | and if it did, I didn't think it would really matter |
| 00:25.28 | foxlit | You need to escape \, always :) |
| 00:25.39 | Shot | ah, that's true |
| 00:25.46 | Shot | it's late, i need sleep, clearly |
| 00:25.57 | Shot | on the positive side, my button highlighting now works |
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| 00:32.02 | GFT | wow.. this stupid tutorial isn't making my addon work.. I think it's out of date.. |
| 00:32.13 | GFT | anyone have a beginner tutorial on making an addon? |
| 00:32.21 | Legorol | Anything AddOn related is likely to be out of date if it's more than a couple months old :) |
| 00:32.34 | GFT | hrm just getting errors.. >..< |
| 00:32.46 | Legorol | which tutorial? |
| 00:33.01 | GFT | using WoW UI Designer |
| 00:33.04 | GFT | and their tutorial |
| 00:33.46 | Legorol | link? |
| 00:33.58 | GFT | still willing ot pay someone to help me through this addon i want to make and teach me how to create an addon |
| 00:34.14 | Legorol | last time WoW UI Designer was updated is 31 aug 2006 if i'm not mistaken. |
| 00:34.16 | GFT | the tutorial is on the computer |
| 00:34.17 | Legorol | that'sa long time ago |
| 00:34.31 | Legorol | I recommend reading resources on wowwiki instead |
| 00:34.42 | Cairenn | ~wowprogramming |
| 00:34.43 | purl | it has been said that wowprogramming is World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons (http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob) a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 00:34.54 | Legorol | or that, but i think you already declined that option |
| 00:35.03 | GFT | i tried, but it never really got me anywhere.. just talked about what an addond consist of.. never how to make one |
| 00:35.06 | Legorol | http://www.wowwiki.com/Portal:Interface_customization |
| 00:35.25 | GFT | yeah been there.. they don't have any step by step things |
| 00:35.28 | GFT | which.. is what i need haha |
| 00:35.41 | GFT | or rather.. would like to have |
| 00:35.57 | Legorol | Have you tried the tutorial/example in the Blizzard UI kit? |
| 00:36.11 | GFT | oh yeah.. wow |
| 00:36.14 | GFT | wow ui designer is old :o |
| 00:36.16 | GFT | jeez |
| 00:36.21 | GFT | >..< |
| 00:36.23 | GFT | heh |
| 00:36.33 | bleeter | oh noes! it's Legorol! HAI2U! |
| 00:36.34 | Cairenn | yeah, it really is |
| 00:36.44 | bleeter | GFT: I'd recommend the book mneioned ^^ |
| 00:36.46 | Legorol | hai2u2 bleeter |
| 00:36.48 | bleeter | *mentioned |
| 00:36.52 | GFT | yeah I am sure you do :P |
| 00:37.02 | bleeter | damn I fail at typing this morning, should go back to bed |
| 00:37.08 | GFT | i might get it but I am wanting to work on an addon right now.. |
| 00:37.10 | Legorol | GFT: how about ordering the book anyway, and in the meantime you start poking |
| 00:37.14 | GFT | not wait 2-3 days for the book to get in |
| 00:37.17 | Legorol | by the time you find a tutorial, the book will have arrived |
| 00:37.30 | Legorol | you'll find the book to be a good reference once it arrives anyway |
| 00:37.33 | bleeter | and from what I can tell, there isn't a better tutorial than the book |
| 00:37.43 | Legorol | that's kind of the point of it |
| 00:37.47 | bleeter | indeed |
| 00:37.50 | Cairenn | for pity's sake, Blizz folks are using the book :p |
| 00:37.57 | Legorol | shh! |
| 00:38.04 | Cairenn | says how good it is |
| 00:38.06 | GFT | bleh ok send me the link again >..< |
| 00:38.09 | Legorol | :o) |
| 00:38.12 | bleeter | if I could work out a way to cheaply get the authors to sign it... I would ;) |
| 00:38.15 | foxlit | says how much there is to use :) |
| 00:38.16 | Cairenn | ~wowprogramming |
| 00:38.16 | purl | [wowprogramming] World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons (http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob) a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 00:38.25 | Arrowmaster | blizz folks are? |
| 00:38.38 | bleeter | could just be blizz staff lost their cluestick? >< /hide |
| 00:38.52 | Cairenn | not the UI team themselves, obviously, but others |
| 00:39.20 | Tem | they have leet haxxor docs they can't share |
| 00:39.48 | Tem | bleeter, going to blizzcon? I'm sure you'll see clad, cog and kael there |
| 00:39.49 | bleeter | Tem: duz tehy hav n irc dcc bot 2 serv dem wit? |
| 00:40.03 | bleeter | Tem: urgh, lotta money to get there.. lotta money |
| 00:40.06 | Cairenn | not clad :( |
| 00:40.08 | GFT | ok i placed the order |
| 00:40.26 | Guillotine | It really is an awesome book |
| 00:40.28 | Tem | Cairenn, oh bummer he can't make it? |
| 00:40.29 | bleeter | Tem: I'd prefer to organise an Oceanic BlizzCon, get the guys down here during the northern hemisphere winter |
| 00:40.38 | GFT | but yeah I looked at wowwiki and it gives some good info.. but not real good step by step thing to get my started |
| 00:40.50 | Guillotine | GFT: afaik, there is really no good comprehensive tutorial |
| 00:40.57 | Guillotine | the best you'll get is poking at other people's addons |
| 00:41.09 | bleeter | kinda like learning HTML... only 'so much' that a book will tell you |
| 00:41.15 | GFT | someone want to make $30 to give me a 2-3 hour lesson? :D |
| 00:41.20 | bleeter | looking at web pages and examining the HTML is a good way to learn |
| 00:41.26 | bleeter | in addition |
| 00:41.39 | bleeter | or any lang really |
| 00:42.04 | Legorol | GFT: I offer you a deal. |
| 00:42.05 | GFT | well I know scripting with a lot of languages |
| 00:42.17 | GFT | I do freelance actionscript development on the side |
| 00:42.18 | Legorol | I'll give you a 15 minute lesson for free, if you promise to listen carefully. |
| 00:42.38 | Legorol | That will be enough to get you started, and the rest you may be able to do from WoWWiki |
| 00:42.51 | GFT | sure |
| 00:42.54 | GFT | vent? |
| 00:43.00 | Legorol | nope, IRC, PM |
| 00:43.05 | GFT | k |
| 00:43.12 | Cairenn | Legorol: channel is quiet, go for it in here |
| 00:43.26 | Legorol | good idea |
| 00:43.32 | Legorol | Maybe other folks will learn from it too |
| 00:43.35 | Arrowmaster | your suppost to do it in netmeeting so you can draw penises on the whiteboard at the same time |
| 00:43.42 | Cairenn | lol |
| 00:43.53 | Legorol | I find that somewhat distracting, so no. |
| 00:43.53 | GFT | ok let me explain so far what I do understand with lua and wow addons |
| 00:44.04 | Legorol | I'd prefer if i get to talk :o) |
| 00:44.09 | GFT | hah k :P |
| 00:44.10 | Legorol | And you just fastforward me |
| 00:44.22 | Legorol | Step 0: familiar with how to install an addon and get it working? |
| 00:44.27 | GFT | yes |
| 00:44.30 | Legorol | ok, skipping |
| 00:44.43 | Legorol | Step 1: Let's create a HelloWorld addon. |
| 00:44.48 | GFT | ok |
| 00:44.59 | Legorol | Basic structure of addon: Interface\AddOns\<addonname>\<addonsfiles> |
| 00:45.10 | Legorol | You need a bare minimum of 2 files at least for a functioning addon |
| 00:45.21 | Legorol | Lets go with addon called HelloWorld |
| 00:45.31 | Legorol | so Interface\AddOns\HelloWorld folder, inside that create HelloWorld.toc |
| 00:45.46 | GFT | done |
| 00:45.49 | Legorol | The .toc file is the meta-data for the addon, contains info about all the other files the addon uses, and other stuff |
| 00:46.13 | Legorol | Basic .toc file starts with lines like these: |
| 00:46.14 | Legorol | ## Interface: 20400 |
| 00:46.14 | Legorol | ## Title: My Add On |
| 00:46.14 | Legorol | ## Notes: A short description of my AddOn |
| 00:46.25 | Legorol | The name of the .toc file must match the name of the AddOn |
| 00:46.32 | Legorol | Otherwise WoW refuses to load. |
| 00:46.50 | GFT | so the name of hte toc is the same as the folder? |
| 00:46.53 | Legorol | yes |
| 00:46.54 | GFT | or just the title |
| 00:46.55 | GFT | ok |
| 00:46.56 | Legorol | HelloWorld.toc |
| 00:47.06 | Legorol | the Title field doesn't have to be the same |
| 00:47.27 | GFT | k got it |
| 00:47.30 | Legorol | Any lines in the .toc starting with ## is treated either as a comment, or providing some actual useful info that WoW will use, if it has a recognizable keyword |
| 00:47.47 | Legorol | Interface keyword: must match the current UI version number, you can usually find out what it is from this channel :) |
| 00:47.55 | GFT | k |
| 00:48.11 | Legorol | Below the 3 lines with the ##, you need to list, one per line, every .xml and .lua file the addon will use |
| 00:48.12 | GFT | so I could do ## Email: my@email.com |
| 00:48.14 | GFT | as a comment |
| 00:48.16 | Legorol | yup |
| 00:48.17 | GFT | k |
| 00:48.35 | Legorol | the structure of .toc file is: any number of lines starting with ##, followed by a list of the xml/lua files used by the addon |
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| 00:48.49 | Legorol | So below your 3 lines of ##, add another line: |
| 00:48.51 | Legorol | HelloWorld.lua |
| 00:48.55 | GFT | k |
| 00:49.53 | Legorol | WoW uses the .toc file to get a list of any other files it needs to load |
| 00:50.07 | Legorol | Any xml or lua file not listed in the .toc will not be loaded |
| 00:50.16 | Legorol | toc = TAble of Contents |
| 00:50.18 | GFT | so if I had a .tiff file or w/e |
| 00:50.24 | GFT | that doesnt need to be listed |
| 00:50.29 | Legorol | that doesn't, that's right |
| 00:50.29 | GFT | since it's used in other things |
| 00:50.34 | Legorol | image/video/sound are data, not code |
| 00:50.38 | GFT | kk this is like C# a small tadd |
| 00:50.45 | GFT | sorta.. haha |
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| 00:51.06 | Legorol | [smallprint: every file your addon intends to do must be present in the addon's folder or a subfolder of it when you start WoW, adding them later won't make them accessible] |
| 00:51.12 | Legorol | s/do/use/ |
| 00:51.18 | Legorol | lol |
| 00:51.19 | Legorol | anyway, moving on |
| 00:51.44 | Legorol | Create a HelloWorld.lua file in any texteditor of your choice, and let's add a single line to it: |
| 00:52.07 | GFT | k |
| 00:52.18 | Legorol | DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("Hello World!") |
| 00:52.37 | GFT | no semi colon? |
| 00:52.38 | Legorol | So far we have an AddOn folder, 2 files in it, a .toc file with the most basic info, and a .lua file |
| 00:52.44 | Legorol | semicolon is optional in Lua |
| 00:52.51 | GFT | new line new command? |
| 00:52.57 | Shirik | no |
| 00:53.00 | Legorol | any whitespace, with one exception |
| 00:53.08 | Shirik | but the syntax is strict enough such that it can be determined |
| 00:53.14 | GFT | k |
| 00:53.19 | Legorol | it's good practice though to use semicolons, i just forgot |
| 00:53.21 | Shirik | (in most cases) |
| 00:53.22 | GFT | guess the benefits of a restricted language |
| 00:53.29 | GFT | i will use it out of habbit haha |
| 00:53.29 | Legorol | restricted? O.o |
| 00:53.40 | Legorol | It's a fully functional high-level language, equivalent to any other |
| 00:53.45 | GFT | limitations of what it's ran in |
| 00:53.50 | Legorol | Irrelevant |
| 00:54.04 | Legorol | We are talking language syntax |
| 00:54.12 | Legorol | anywya, moving on, we can debate this later |
| 00:54.15 | GFT | haha k |
| 00:54.16 | Legorol | Try your addon in WoW |
| 00:54.22 | GFT | k 2 sec |
| 00:54.29 | Legorol | it should now show up in the addon list, if it doesn't, we troubleshoot ;) |
| 00:55.40 | GFT | ok it loaded in my list |
| 00:55.44 | GFT | and i logged in but nothing happend |
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| 00:56.08 | Xuerian | El Pollo Grande =O |
| 00:56.43 | Legorol | GFT: i recommend that for the purposes of testing/coding addons, you disable all your other addons |
| 00:56.48 | GFT | they are |
| 00:56.54 | Legorol | this particular addon will print Hello World in your chat frame if it's working, when you log in |
| 00:56.55 | GFT | everything except reloadui and it's dependency sea |
| 00:57.12 | Legorol | i'd disable those too, you can do it by typing /console reloadui |
| 00:57.15 | Legorol | built into WoW :) |
| 00:57.43 | Legorol | btw, do make sure to turn on Lua error messages in the interface options |
| 00:57.50 | Legorol | (I don't remember where it's hiding nowadays) |
| 00:57.54 | Shirik | better yet |
| 00:57.57 | Shirik | get an error handling addon |
| 00:57.59 | Legorol | no Shirik, no addons |
| 00:58.01 | Legorol | not yet |
| 00:58.02 | Shirik | fine :( |
| 00:58.07 | Legorol | We can do that later :) |
| 00:58.15 | Shirik | I guess he can't do much with a stack trace yet |
| 00:58.16 | GFT | ok everything is disabled but hello world |
| 00:58.18 | Legorol | but to understand basic addons, i do beleive in going with stock ui |
| 00:58.25 | GFT | and nothing happend still |
| 00:58.44 | Shirik | I would agree with you Legorol, but the default error handler is crap |
| 00:58.46 | Legorol | GFT: to make things easier, can you set WoW to windowed mode? |
| 00:58.47 | GFT | wait |
| 00:58.48 | GFT | hold on |
| 00:58.49 | Legorol | Shirik: i agree |
| 00:58.55 | Shirik | but I'll shut up so I don't confuse him |
| 00:59.05 | Legorol | but i'm just about to demonstrate the in-game error message toggle etc. |
| 00:59.06 | GFT | ok got it working |
| 00:59.12 | Legorol | awesome |
| 00:59.28 | GFT | thought I had saved the up to date .toc file but i didn't |
| 00:59.41 | Legorol | GFT: as Shirik was saying, it's invaluable if you can see error messages generated in-game |
| 00:59.42 | Shirik | btw it's in "display" I believe |
| 00:59.44 | Shirik | I'm about to log in to check |
| 00:59.47 | Legorol | by default, the UI doesn't show them |
| 01:00.26 | Legorol | GFT: so i recommmend you go to Interface Options -> Help category -> make sure "Display Lua Errors" is turned on |
| 01:00.46 | GFT | it is |
| 01:00.48 | GFT | i do get errors |
| 01:00.48 | Legorol | ok |
| 01:00.57 | Legorol | let's make a deliberate error in the Lua file then: |
| 01:01.07 | Legorol | change AddMessage to addmessage (lowercase it) |
| 01:01.13 | Legorol | then do a reload UI |
| 01:01.25 | GFT | ok it showed up |
| 01:01.29 | GFT | error |
| 01:01.39 | Legorol | (for this, you don't need to restart WoW... as long as you don't add or remove a file, it's sufficient to reload) |
| 01:01.42 | Legorol | good |
| 01:01.48 | GFT | yeah i understand that part |
| 01:01.49 | Legorol | this demonstrated that case matters, |
| 01:01.52 | Legorol | etc. |
| 01:01.56 | Legorol | Ok moving on |
| 01:01.57 | GFT | as it does with most languages :P |
| 01:02.15 | Legorol | Step 2: Elementary AddOn concepts |
| 01:02.28 | Legorol | An AddOn generally has one or more XML files, and one or more Lua files. |
| 01:02.44 | GFT | k i understand the function of what the XML does, but not really how to do one |
| 01:02.51 | Legorol | The XML files describe the structure of any UI elements you are planning on using, and the Lua file describes behaviour. |
| 01:02.55 | Legorol | ok, cool |
| 01:03.01 | Xuerian | That's the classical structure >_> |
| 01:03.05 | Xuerian | You don't HAVE to have a xml file though |
| 01:03.10 | Legorol | Xuerian: please, don't go into that yet |
| 01:03.13 | Xuerian | dammit :( |
| 01:03.17 | GFT | but if I want a GUI, I would need an XML file |
| 01:03.18 | Legorol | that's advanced topic |
| 01:03.20 | Legorol | yup |
| 01:03.26 | Legorol | Important note about the Lua files: |
| 01:03.50 | Legorol | When you log in to WoW, and your addon loads, the lua files are executed (yes, loaded, interpreted and executed!) in the order listed in the toc file |
| 01:03.58 | Arrowmaster | Step 3: using SecurePieMenu |
| 01:04.00 | Legorol | lol |
| 01:04.14 | Legorol | so let's go with a slightly more complicated HelloWorld, ignore xml for now |
| 01:04.20 | GFT | k |
| 01:04.21 | Legorol | change your HelloWorld.lua file to look like this: |
| 01:04.48 | Legorol | function HelloGreeting() |
| 01:04.48 | Legorol | DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("Hello World!"); |
| 01:04.48 | Legorol | end |
| 01:04.53 | Legorol | bah, it ate my tab |
| 01:05.00 | GFT | that's fine I got it :P |
| 01:05.01 | Legorol | well, i like to intend, so i intended to indent it |
| 01:05.04 | Legorol | ok |
| 01:05.16 | Legorol | I'll speed up the pace |
| 01:05.24 | Kirov | Arrowmaster - shouldn't that be "step 3: making your own Flex Bar" |
| 01:05.40 | Legorol | if you reload ui, you now have a function you can use any time: |
| 01:05.46 | Legorol | /script HelloGreeting() |
| 01:05.52 | Legorol | either from chat box or from macro will work |
| 01:05.53 | Legorol | try it |
| 01:05.57 | GFT | k hold on |
| 01:06.34 | GFT | k |
| 01:06.35 | GFT | it's working |
| 01:06.50 | Legorol | ok, the point that i wanted to illustrate there was that WoW actually executes the Lua file when you log in |
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| 01:06.59 | Legorol | the 1st example therefore caused the message to be printed as soon as you logged in |
| 01:07.02 | GFT | understood |
| 01:07.04 | Legorol | ok |
| 01:07.08 | Kirov | I'm confused. Why aren't we shouting and throwing rocks at the person trying to learn? Isn't that our usual tactic? |
| 01:07.12 | Legorol | now i'll have to scramble for some files |
| 01:07.24 | Kirov | (that and pointing them at pil / wowwiki) |
| 01:07.26 | Shirik | because the person is willing to learn |
| 01:07.34 | Shirik | that's the difference |
| 01:07.35 | GFT | and I have programming background :P |
| 01:07.39 | GFT | just not with lua structure |
| 01:07.46 | Kirov | Shirik - Unpossible! |
| 01:07.49 | GFT | so i am easily able to understand everything |
| 01:07.49 | Legorol | I won't be talking much about Lua structure |
| 01:07.55 | Shirik | I have no issue with someone completely new if they're willing to help themselves |
| 01:07.55 | GFT | that's ok |
| 01:08.00 | GFT | just want the basics and I can sort of go from there |
| 01:08.01 | Legorol | I'll whip up a very simple example of GUI/related code |
| 01:08.03 | Legorol | yup |
| 01:08.24 | Guillotine | I hate new people. and old people. In fact, I hate everyone |
| 01:08.24 | Guillotine | except purl of course. |
| 01:08.32 | *** kick/#wowuidev [Guillotine!n=nospam@conspiracy/developer/Shirik] by Shirik (bye) |
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| 01:08.58 | Shirik | :) |
| 01:09.06 | Guillotine | NOH OPWAUR SHIRIK |
| 01:09.23 | Shirik | it's ok you wouldn't dare ban me |
| 01:09.38 | *** kick/#wowuidev [Shirik!n=Guilloti@cpe-76-167-203-65.socal.res.rr.com] by Guillotine (But I'll kick you :D) |
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| 01:09.46 | Shirik | <3 |
| 01:09.47 | Guillotine | stupid rejoin script |
| 01:09.57 | Legorol | GFT: you'll have to bear with me a few minutes here, i'll be back |
| 01:09.59 | Zurik | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:10.00 | GFT | np |
| 01:10.26 | GFT | the addon I am going to try and make is an auction addon to allow for easier buyouts |
| 01:10.35 | Legorol | afk for 10 min |
| 01:10.36 | bleeter | Guillotine: I hate you too |
| 01:10.41 | GFT | so you can, hopefully, select multiple items and hit one button to buy them all out |
| 01:10.52 | GFT | giving you a confirmation that displays how much total money you are going to spend |
| 01:11.03 | bleeter | doubt you can |
| 01:11.08 | GFT | or if that's not possible, then to change it up a different way |
| 01:11.16 | GFT | someone said it was possible, but i don't konw |
| 01:11.19 | bleeter | a purchase requires a hardware event to fire, I'm guessing it'd be impossible |
| 01:11.29 | GFT | well you would still hit a button |
| 01:11.39 | bleeter | you *might* get a better answer in #auctioneer ... dunno tho |
| 01:11.47 | GFT | yeah |
| 01:11.54 | GFT | well it's still good to learn though :P |
| 01:11.54 | Shirik | wait, there's an #auctioneer? |
| 01:11.57 | bleeter | GFT: yes, but from one perspective you're automating stuff |
| 01:12.13 | Shirik | you mean #norganna :P |
| 01:12.15 | bleeter | that, by apparent design, isn't meant to be |
| 01:12.18 | Shirik | don't scare me like that |
| 01:12.19 | bleeter | oh, i prolly do |
| 01:12.37 | foxlit | can I force a round up from within a format string? |
| 01:12.49 | GFT | so where is a good list of lua syntax for wow? WoW Wiki API? |
| 01:12.57 | Shirik | %3.0f? |
| 01:13.14 | Shirik | lua> string.format("%3.0f",5.123) |
| 01:13.17 | cog|nowhere | GFT: http://lua.org/pil |
| 01:13.20 | cog|nowhere | ~lua |
| 01:13.21 | purl | Lua is a powerful light-weight programming language designed for extending applications. It is often used as a configuration language. See http://www.lua.org/. Note: Lua is not an acronym. Its name is derived from the Latin word "Luna" which means "moon". |
| 01:13.29 | Shirik | --> return string.format("%3.0f",5.123) |
| 01:13.29 | batbot | Shirik: > 5 |
| 01:13.30 | GFT | thanks cog |
| 01:13.33 | bleeter | heya cog |
| 01:13.39 | Shirik | oh do you mean for sure round up? |
| 01:13.40 | cogwheel | np |
| 01:13.44 | foxlit | yes |
| 01:13.44 | Shirik | or just round |
| 01:13.50 | Shirik | eh |
| 01:13.50 | GFT | i bought your book btw.. i think you are one of the writers |
| 01:13.50 | GFT | :P |
| 01:13.52 | MentalPower | --> return string.format("%3.0f",5.623) |
| 01:13.52 | batbot | MentalPower: > 6 |
| 01:13.52 | Shirik | I don't think so |
| 01:13.55 | foxlit | If it has a decimal part, I want ceil rather than floor |
| 01:14.10 | Shirik | any particular reason not to use ceil? |
| 01:14.12 | MentalPower | foxlit: do a math.ceil on the arg |
| 01:14.22 | foxlit | Yes, I may not want to do a math.ceil on the arg |
| 01:14.25 | MentalPower | --> return string.format("%3.0f", math.ceil(5.123)) |
| 01:14.25 | batbot | MentalPower: > 6 |
| 01:14.36 | Shirik | I'm confused |
| 01:14.43 | MentalPower | so am I |
| 01:14.47 | GFT | foxlit: you could just typecast it to an int, and add +1 |
| 01:14.54 | Shirik | there is no int in Lua |
| 01:14.58 | foxlit | local f, n, unit = cd > 10 and "%d%s" or "%.1f", cd, ""; |
| 01:15.01 | GFT | oh lord.. |
| 01:15.02 | GFT | haha |
| 01:15.03 | Shirik | and on the same note, no you couldn't |
| 01:15.05 | foxlit | don't look at that :) |
| 01:15.13 | Shirik | try that with 6.0 |
| 01:15.16 | foxlit | enter slipped there; not quite what I wanted to say |
| 01:15.34 | Shirik | you get 7, which != ceil(6) |
| 01:15.58 | foxlit | Suppose you have some decimal number of seconds |
| 01:16.04 | Shirik | but yes, there's another bit of info for you: All numbers in Lua are IEEE-standard double precision floating point numbers |
| 01:16.15 | foxlit | You may want to present it as 0.5, 50, 3m, 18h, 7d |
| 01:16.28 | GFT | see! restricted! :D |
| 01:16.36 | Shirik | why's that restricted? |
| 01:16.46 | Shirik | every integer expressable in a standard 32-bit int can be expressed in a double |
| 01:16.47 | foxlit | I'm only really interested in the decimal part if the number is under 10 |
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| 01:16.55 | GFT | ok.. restricted compared to.. let's say other compiled scripts |
| 01:17.20 | Shirik | Lua stresses simplicity while still retaining all the power you expect (and a lot more than most languages) |
| 01:17.34 | foxlit | And if it isn't, I'd like to round up |
| 01:18.08 | MentalPower | foxlit: sounds like something you'd use an if clause for |
| 01:18.30 | Kirov | Lua gives you absolute power ... for k in pairs(_G) do _G[k]=nil end |
| 01:18.34 | foxlit | And I just realized I wrote http://wowuidev.pastey.net/88069 |
| 01:18.38 | GFT | ok so before Legorol gets back.. if I want to alter a blizzard frame, I actually load that in the XML file and whatnot correct? |
| 01:18.48 | GFT | like the auction frame |
| 01:18.52 | GFT | or the mail inbox frame |
| 01:19.03 | Shirik | nope, you can't directly touch the Blizzard code |
| 01:19.11 | GFT | well not the code.. but the frame |
| 01:19.12 | Shirik | the way to modify it is to hook it |
| 01:19.24 | GFT | like what auctioneer does |
| 01:19.26 | Shirik | eh, I'd do it from Lua, but that's mee |
| 01:19.28 | GFT | it adds tabs, and etc |
| 01:19.36 | Kirov | GFT - The game loads it automagically, but afterwards yes, you modify it. |
| 01:19.43 | GFT | yeah that's what I mean |
| 01:20.02 | Shirik | I don't believe Auctioneer uses XML |
| 01:20.05 | Shirik | AucAdvanced at least |
| 01:20.20 | GFT | they do, but it's basic |
| 01:20.28 | GFT | i think it's for like external config on their part |
| 01:20.37 | GFT | not on the auction frame itself |
| 01:20.37 | Shirik | uh |
| 01:20.44 | Shirik | I'm looking at it right now, all it is is revision info |
| 01:20.45 | Zurik | Guill: you around? |
| 01:20.57 | GFT | the one I have has frame info on it |
| 01:21.09 | Kirov | Certain frames (Mail, Auction, Minimap, sometimes main Map) have to modify the original frames in some way due to some hardcoded stuff that happens in the background (those frames have to be visible in some form for the player to use any of the related functions and get meaningful data from them) |
| 01:21.26 | Shirik | is that auctioneer advanced GFT? |
| 01:21.32 | GFT | prolly not |
| 01:21.37 | GFT | think I just have the normal one |
| 01:21.38 | Shirik | that would be why |
| 01:21.39 | MentalPower | auctioneer advanced does not use XML |
| 01:21.42 | GFT | ah |
| 01:21.49 | MentalPower | classic does still use XML |
| 01:21.58 | Kirov | Most frames most addon authors just disable the original blizzard frames (usually by UnregisterEvent calls) and create new ones from scratch. |
| 01:22.19 | MentalPower | Kirov: that would cause havoc in the AH's case |
| 01:22.21 | Shirik | there's only a few cases where you can't do that really |
| 01:22.30 | Kirov | MentalPower - see my previous comment |
| 01:22.33 | Shirik | the AH is indeed one :) |
| 01:22.41 | GFT | so it's possible to listen for an event on another frame.. for instance if the user hits the standard blizzard UI Buyout button on the AH, your addon can make an event handler for it |
| 01:22.53 | Shirik | sure |
| 01:22.59 | Shirik | because you can touch them in code all you want |
| 01:23.07 | Shirik | you just can't actually modify that code; but you can inject yours |
| 01:23.11 | GFT | so can I ignore part of the blizzard function? |
| 01:23.17 | Shirik | sure, or get rid of it entirely |
| 01:23.31 | GFT | ok so let's say, if I hit the buyout button, I want the confirmation box to go away |
| 01:23.39 | GFT | and just buy it |
| 01:23.42 | GFT | without asking me i am sure |
| 01:23.45 | Shirik | for k,v in pairs(_G) if k:match("Blizzard.*") then _G[k] = nil; end |
| 01:23.51 | Kirov | heh |
| 01:24.00 | Shirik | except they aren't named like that |
| 01:24.05 | Kirov | GFT - yes, you could just replace the code with something similar. |
| 01:24.06 | Shirik | but if they were, I just removed every blizzard frame |
| 01:24.19 | Kirov | Shirik - well, sorta |
| 01:24.21 | GFT | interesting |
| 01:24.27 | Shirik | Kirov: details |
| 01:24.30 | Shirik | don't confuse him |
| 01:24.39 | Kirov | Shirik - you would of removed all of the global references to the frames, but the frames would still be there. |
| 01:24.43 | Shirik | yes yes |
| 01:24.45 | Shirik | don't confuse him! |
| 01:24.48 | Zurik | Ok, this is going to be fun to try to explain.. i have this function http://pastebin.com/d636d09f5 |
| 01:24.55 | Legorol | I'm back, woot |
| 01:25.04 | Zurik | and it's used for alignment of elements and stacking them inside other elements. |
| 01:25.08 | Shirik | we missed you Legorol |
| 01:25.13 | Legorol | lol |
| 01:25.15 | Zurik | but i can't figure out exactly the method to the madness. |
| 01:25.44 | Zurik | can anyone take a look and explain to me how i'm suposed to get 2 elements to align right next to each other inside of a frame? |
| 01:25.47 | Legorol | GFT: i'll conclude the lesson now with a small example |
| 01:25.52 | Legorol | It's very primitive but it will serve the purpose |
| 01:26.04 | Kirov | GFT - In the example you gave, the easiest method would be to copy the function that button uses from the blizzard code, paste it in to your own file and rewrite it to just call the "Buy" function instead of go to the popup. |
| 01:26.25 | Shirik | you could also call the "OnClick" script for the button |
| 01:26.25 | Guillotine | Zurik: I'm here. Just practicing Lucas in SSBB |
| 01:26.26 | GFT | so how would I ignore the blizzard function at that point? |
| 01:26.35 | Shirik | I think calling the OnClick script is actually more future-proof |
| 01:26.36 | Legorol | that's called "hooking" |
| 01:26.49 | Legorol | overwriting/replacing/extending an existing function is called hooking |
| 01:26.51 | Kirov | GFT - Though, for any auction house related functions, you'll have to be careful to only load after the auction house "addon" itself has loaded. |
| 01:26.54 | Legorol | there are standard ways of doing that |
| 01:27.05 | Kirov | We're getting a little ahead of the point here I think though. |
| 01:27.12 | Legorol | i think so too |
| 01:27.13 | Shirik | hooking also can get you into a lot of trouble with breaking the UI, and I don't think now is the best time to learn it :) |
| 01:27.14 | GFT | well that would be what I would look up |
| 01:27.15 | Zurik | Guill: hey there.. i'm pulling my hair out trying to align things. |
| 01:27.19 | GFT | later on |
| 01:27.23 | Legorol | GFT, if you let me finish the example, here it is |
| 01:27.24 | Shirik | taint brings up a whole new issue that is a discussion of its own |
| 01:27.25 | Kirov | Auction House anything is getting in to the advanced realm |
| 01:27.26 | GFT | k |
| 01:27.31 | Legorol | change your HelloWorld.lua file to look like this: |
| 01:27.31 | Legorol | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/88070 |
| 01:27.37 | Legorol | (welcome to the world of pasteys) |
| 01:27.47 | Legorol | aaaah, frigging tabs |
| 01:27.49 | GFT | k |
| 01:27.53 | GFT | i got it |
| 01:27.53 | GFT | haha |
| 01:28.04 | Zurik | Shirik: was that hooking thing talking about what i pastey'd? |
| 01:28.04 | Shirik | damn Legorol |
| 01:28.07 | Shirik | that took you 10 minutes? |
| 01:29.03 | Legorol | no, i had to afk a bit |
| 01:29.03 | Shirik | no you haven't hooked anything Zurik |
| 01:29.09 | Legorol | but the next bit took some time: |
| 01:29.09 | Shirik | it was a joke Legorol :) |
| 01:29.11 | Legorol | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/88071 |
| 01:29.19 | Legorol | GFT: create a file named HelloWorld.xml |
| 01:29.28 | Legorol | put all that junk in it, i will explain the details in a bit |
| 01:29.41 | Shirik | aah! xml! *hides* |
| 01:29.42 | Legorol | (yes you need the ugly first line) |
| 01:29.46 | GFT | done, and I added it in my .toc file |
| 01:29.49 | Legorol | excellent |
| 01:29.51 | Legorol | now try the addon |
| 01:30.00 | GFT | k closing out wow |
| 01:30.22 | Legorol | for the rest of the channel: |
| 01:30.38 | Legorol | reason why i like using XML to introduce basic GUI concepts is because XML is descriptive in nature and emphasises structure/relationship |
| 01:30.40 | GFT | k got it Legorol |
| 01:30.42 | Legorol | yes i know you can do the same in code |
| 01:30.44 | GFT | nice green box |
| 01:30.51 | Legorol | yup, you should notice two things: |
| 01:30.51 | Shirik | I agree, don't take me so seriously :P |
| 01:30.58 | Legorol | 1) when you logged in, you got a Hello Load message |
| 01:31.05 | Legorol | 2) when you click the ugly green box, you get a message ;-) |
| 01:31.15 | GFT | hmm ok |
| 01:31.30 | GFT | so i see in the XML you can do onload scripts |
| 01:31.32 | GFT | just like in the lua file |
| 01:31.42 | Legorol | they are slightly different |
| 01:31.44 | GFT | by having the script in the lua in the general body |
| 01:31.55 | Legorol | yup, but they work slightly differently |
| 01:31.58 | GFT | k |
| 01:32.19 | Legorol | a Lua file gets executed as it's loaded |
| 01:32.26 | Zyuu | CurseForge is live btw :) http://news.curse.com/details/9914/ and http://news.curse.com/details/9935/ |
| 01:32.37 | Legorol | the OnLoad bit in the XML gets executed after the XML file finished loading |
| 01:32.42 | Legorol | well, it's more or less the same thing |
| 01:32.48 | Legorol | Let me walk you through a few things in the XML file: |
| 01:32.56 | GFT | k |
| 01:33.09 | Legorol | If you are familiar with event-driven programming concepts, this will be easy |
| 01:33.15 | GFT | yeah |
| 01:33.20 | Legorol | The UI tag is mandatory, i never look at it, just copy/paste |
| 01:33.22 | GFT | flash uses it constantly |
| 01:33.35 | foxlit | <Ui> |
| 01:33.39 | Legorol | You can then list one or more GUI elements, all of which will be defined |
| 01:33.40 | foxlit | What's to look at? |
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| 01:33.50 | Legorol | you can create actual elements, templates (to derive other elements from) etc. |
| 01:33.57 | Legorol | this example just describes a simple Button |
| 01:34.14 | Legorol | you might be used to a Button having a specific look and feel from other GUI development environments, but in WoW, it doesn't |
| 01:34.28 | Legorol | a button is just a clickable "thing" |
| 01:34.34 | GFT | mmk |
| 01:34.50 | Shirik | most unit frames are buttons :) |
| 01:34.51 | Legorol | some properties of the button are then described in the XML: Size, location (the Anchors part) etc. |
| 01:35.10 | Legorol | by unit frames, Shirik means the things that display player/target portraits, hp, mana etc. |
| 01:35.26 | GFT | ok |
| 01:35.28 | Shirik | actually I should take that back, that's not really true anymore.... |
| 01:35.31 | Shirik | before 2.0 it was |
| 01:35.31 | Legorol | the Layers part of the XML is necessary to add some look and feel to the button: |
| 01:35.46 | Legorol | Shirik: if you mention SecureActionButtons, i'll gag you |
| 01:35.53 | Shirik | I'm not saying anything! |
| 01:35.55 | Legorol | hehe |
| 01:35.58 | Legorol | back to Layers |
| 01:36.08 | Kirov | Technically you just mentioned it, should you gag yourself? |
| 01:36.09 | GFT | haha k |
| 01:36.09 | Legorol | because a button by default has no looks, i make a very simple look for it here |
| 01:36.16 | Legorol | Kirov: lol, true |
| 01:36.36 | Legorol | this particular example just adds a texture to the button, and makes it a homogeneous ugly green |
| 01:36.40 | Legorol | no image file is used or anything |
| 01:36.47 | GFT | k |
| 01:36.54 | Legorol | I won't detail XML structure further, there is enough reference for that out there, and what tags are possible |
| 01:37.02 | GFT | and obviously it works on levels |
| 01:37.03 | Legorol | the important part is that the XML structure is pretty strict |
| 01:37.12 | GFT | so if I wanted a transparent green over an image, i would put that at a higher lair |
| 01:37.21 | Legorol | yup |
| 01:37.27 | Legorol | you can set alpha values on textures and stuff |
| 01:37.49 | Legorol | and finally, like in any good event-driven GUI development, the Scripts section describes what code should be executed on certain events |
| 01:38.07 | GFT | k makes sense |
| 01:38.08 | Legorol | as this example illustrates, you can either have a small Lua snippet directly in there (ex. OnLoad), or just call a function |
| 01:38.21 | Legorol | in theory you can have arbitrary Lua code in there, but it's not recommended |
| 01:38.27 | GFT | i see |
| 01:38.30 | GFT | makes sense |
| 01:38.32 | Legorol | Common misconception 1.: |
| 01:38.47 | Legorol | The OnClick handler just has a single line: HelloWorld_OnClick(); |
| 01:39.07 | Legorol | this doesn't mean that the HelloWorld_OnClick function has any magical properties |
| 01:39.10 | Legorol | WoW couldn't care less |
| 01:39.25 | Legorol | all WoW does is, when you click the button, it executes the code between <OnClick> and </OnClick> |
| 01:39.40 | Legorol | but AddOn development best practices suggest that all you do there is call a single, welldefined function |
| 01:40.04 | Shirik | with a good name |
| 01:40.06 | GFT | so I see you have the onclick inside the button.. are the internal commands like that available with all components? or just simply spefic one |
| 01:40.07 | Legorol | ok, what else do i need to explain.. |
| 01:40.08 | Kirov | Is it scope time? |
| 01:40.14 | Shirik | please don't have your <OnLoad> name call a function named Load() |
| 01:40.24 | Legorol | GFT: that's exactly what i was going to come to |
| 01:40.31 | foxlit | (ps. the proper name is LoadMe()) |
| 01:40.33 | Legorol | yup, shirik has an excellent point |
| 01:40.45 | Legorol | all Lua code in WoW shares a single namespace |
| 01:40.51 | GFT | yeah, since addons can conflict |
| 01:40.54 | Kirov | XML handlers all run in global space, they will not be aware of locals. |
| 01:41.00 | Legorol | so any function (unless declared local) you define is seen by eveyr addon |
| 01:41.05 | Legorol | yup |
| 01:41.05 | GFT | right |
| 01:41.09 | GFT | makes perfect sense |
| 01:41.18 | Legorol | I have one final wisdom to impart on you: |
| 01:41.22 | GFT | haha k |
| 01:41.25 | Legorol | because this will save you a LOT of headache if you understand it now |
| 01:41.35 | Legorol | there are TWO types of events in the WoW world |
| 01:41.55 | Legorol | 1) UI events (such as showing/hiding an object, clicking it etc.) |
| 01:42.06 | Legorol | 2) Game events (you receive a whisper, your Hp changes etc.) |
| 01:42.11 | GFT | ok |
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| 01:42.28 | Legorol | It's possible to react to both types in an AddOn |
| 01:42.36 | Legorol | the example I gave you shows how to respond to UI events |
| 01:43.27 | Legorol | I mention this because many beginners confuse it, especially because a lot of the references on the wowwiki don't make it particularly clear if they are talking about a UI event or a Game event |
| 01:43.35 | Legorol | so terms like "event handler" become ambiguous |
| 01:43.44 | GFT | k makes sense |
| 01:43.52 | Legorol | Right, i think i am done teaching for now.. |
| 01:43.58 | Legorol | it was more than 15 min, lol |
| 01:44.00 | GFT | I thank you incredibly much in helping me.. learned a lot |
| 01:44.01 | Legorol | but i like to hear my own typing |
| 01:44.01 | GFT | :P |
| 01:44.19 | Legorol | From now on, you'll have to ask specific questions, and the folks here will help i'm sure |
| 01:44.20 | GFT | so i finally understand the basic structure of how the files work with eachother |
| 01:44.35 | Legorol | and Shirik can try and confuse you with dynamic frame creation :o) |
| 01:44.36 | GFT | which was the hard part to figure out with wowwiki andwhatnot |
| 01:44.50 | Shirik | trust me, you have only touched the tip of the iceberg ;) |
| 01:44.55 | Kirov | "UI event" / "frame handler" etc usually have their own <On___> chunk of XML. All game events run through <OnEvent> but frames (generally) have to be registered for that event. |
| 01:45.11 | Legorol | Typical AddOn structure scenarios, to mention a few: |
| 01:45.26 | Shirik | For the record, I did code before CreateFrame existed |
| 01:45.31 | Legorol | - you create a new GUI object, you describe it in XML, you associate some handler functions with it, you describe them in a Lua file |
| 01:45.33 | Shirik | it was not fun |
| 01:45.34 | Shirik | :P |
| 01:45.43 | Legorol | I agree and disagree ;-) |
| 01:45.47 | Shirik | RDX still has an XML file with 200 frames in it |
| 01:45.49 | GFT | real quick.. what do you think would be the next best step to teach myself a bit more of an advanced addon? like.. give me a simple addon that I can make by researching a bit |
| 01:45.52 | foxlit | Damn you, enforced separation of presentation model, Shirik? |
| 01:45.53 | Shirik | 200 empty frames |
| 01:46.07 | GFT | i usually learn better by just diving into an app that I can lookup |
| 01:46.07 | Legorol | - another typical scenario: your addon has no GUI, but wants to respond to game events, so it has a bare minimum XML (or not even that) |
| 01:46.26 | Legorol | - other scenarios: your addon just modifies existing behaviour, so just has Lua code to modify existing functions |
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| 01:46.58 | Legorol | I think everyone best learns from tutorials at the start |
| 01:47.12 | Legorol | Only I'm mad enough to start learning Lua by reading the language reference first |
| 01:47.37 | GFT | well i usually do better, now with the background in scripting that I have, by getting a simple app to make.. and try to make it |
| 01:47.41 | jaeger | GFT: the book has a great one that's pretty simple, CombatTracker |
| 01:47.46 | GFT | reading references gets thing out of order for me |
| 01:47.56 | jaeger | which I realize doesn't help you RIGHT NOW, but it's worth checking out later |
| 01:47.59 | Legorol | yup, i don't recommend reading references as a way to learn |
| 01:48.51 | GFT | ok quick question.. what does wow wiki mean when it says localizations |
| 01:49.01 | GFT | like. localizing an addon |
| 01:49.04 | Legorol | translating an addon to different language |
| 01:49.10 | GFT | oh |
| 01:49.21 | GFT | gotcha |
| 01:49.21 | Legorol | there are some accepted best practices in the addon community for creating your addon so that it's easily localizable |
| 01:49.47 | foxlit | Rule Two: don't put text in your code |
| 01:49.49 | Legorol | GFT, for the next steps i'd recommend these: |
| 01:49.52 | foxlit | That's more or less it. |
| 01:50.06 | Legorol | - get a couple of developer tool type addons that can help debug/run simple code snippets etc. |
| 01:50.12 | Shirik | did Legorol touch CreateFrame at all? Something as simple as http://wowi.pastey.net/88072 |
| 01:50.14 | Legorol | - familiarise yourself with the idea of hooking |
| 01:50.19 | Legorol | Shirik: i didn't |
| 01:50.24 | jaeger | it's a trap! hehe |
| 01:50.31 | Legorol | Shirik: wowi is obsolete, use wowuidev |
| 01:50.40 | GFT | yeah that's something iw as going to ask.. was a good lua editor.. i saw some mentioned before.. but more or less good for me as a beginner with this |
| 01:50.40 | Shirik | too hard to type :P |
| 01:51.06 | jaeger | if you're already very familiar with an editor that has a lua syntaxer, use that |
| 01:51.14 | Legorol | Shirik: that "simple" example uses the concept of in-line function declaration, which is a tricky Lua syntax |
| 01:51.18 | GFT | yeah I dont |
| 01:51.21 | Shirik | :( |
| 01:51.23 | Shirik | it's a habit |
| 01:51.36 | Legorol | I use SciTe, others will suggest other things |
| 01:51.50 | Legorol | There's a version of SciTe somewhere customised slightly for WoW |
| 01:52.06 | jaeger | I use vim because it's what I'm most used to, not because it was a fantastic choice for lua :) |
| 01:52.11 | GFT | yeah I am looking at it.. but it's an old release date.. |
| 01:52.11 | Shirik | oh |
| 01:52.15 | Shirik | get this through your head right now GFT |
| 01:52.19 | Shirik | some people have trouble accepting it |
| 01:52.22 | Legorol | here it is: |
| 01:52.22 | Legorol | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4989-SciTE-WOWInterface.html |
| 01:52.24 | Shirik | functions are values |
| 01:52.26 | Legorol | works perfectly fine |
| 01:52.33 | Shirik | strictly speaking, closures are values |
| 01:52.39 | Legorol | Shirik speaketh the truth |
| 01:52.46 | Shirik | so you can do something like this |
| 01:53.02 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/88073 |
| 01:53.43 | Shirik | And that is why hooking (not what's above, but a related note) is possible. Because you can take a variable and assign some function to it (replacing an old function with a newer one) |
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| 01:54.06 | Shirik | but don't get yourself concerned with that for now |
| 01:54.11 | Shirik | know the basics first |
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| 01:54.35 | GFT | hehe k |
| 01:54.36 | GFT | :P |
| 01:55.19 | Shirik | ok, time to switch networks again, brb |
| 01:56.33 | Legorol | I actually think that hooking is one of the most important things to understand early on |
| 01:56.34 | GFT | i think I am going to start with trying to add a nonfunctional button on a blizzard frame |
| 01:56.37 | GFT | like.. the mailbox |
| 01:56.42 | GFT | or the auctionhouse |
| 01:56.44 | Legorol | yup it's a good idea |
| 01:56.57 | GFT | kk off to research :D |
| 01:57.00 | GFT | thanks again Legorol <3 |
| 01:57.02 | Legorol | for that, you'll need to know about Anchors: how to place an object relative to another |
| 01:57.07 | GFT | if you ever want flash as3 help let me know haha |
| 01:57.12 | Legorol | hehe ok |
| 01:57.27 | GFT | and I do very simple irc script junk |
| 01:57.31 | jaeger | The first addon I wrote was pretty lame, it would say something like "I claim this <subzone< for Spain!" when I discovered a new area. |
| 01:57.37 | jaeger | Decent way to learn, though :) |
| 01:57.42 | GFT | :D |
| 01:57.42 | jaeger | er, <subzone> |
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| 01:58.06 | GFT | so where can I get a list of parent frames? |
| 01:58.09 | GFT | used in wow? |
| 01:58.25 | GFT | does wowwiki have that stuff? |
| 01:59.27 | alestane | wowcompares.com is a better place for actual documentation of the stock UI elements. |
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| 02:00.21 | GFT | haha so many websites >..< |
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| 02:04.49 | GFT | actually downloaded it and it doesnt tell me much |
| 02:05.24 | GFT | man it's hard to find good documentation on this stuff |
| 02:05.38 | Arrowmaster | thats just the default ui |
| 02:05.45 | Arrowmaster | its useful if your trying to modifiy it |
| 02:06.26 | GFT | ah... |
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| 02:07.35 | Legorol | GFT: are you looking for a reference of the base types, such as Frame, Button, etc. |
| 02:07.42 | GFT | yes |
| 02:08.01 | GFT | like opening up an addon, a very simple addon |
| 02:08.07 | GFT | where a button is on the mail inbox frame |
| 02:08.23 | GFT | <Button name="InboxFrameMailLoot" inherits="UIPanelButtonTemplate" parent="InboxFrame" |
| 02:08.23 | GFT | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:08.34 | GFT | i understand the inherit part |
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| 02:08.42 | GFT | but like parent="InboxFrame" |
| 02:08.50 | GFT | i would like a list of that stuff |
| 02:08.54 | Legorol | for that, you need a reference on the attributes usable in XML |
| 02:08.56 | Legorol | yup, i got it |
| 02:09.00 | Legorol | http://www.wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets_hierarchy |
| 02:09.04 | Legorol | try that first see if it helps |
| 02:09.21 | Kaso | ~~faraframes |
| 02:09.25 | Kaso | ~faraframes |
| 02:09.26 | purl | faraframes is a rather good tutorial of basic wow frames creation using XML, it can be found at http://fara.webeddie.com/frames/ |
| 02:09.30 | Legorol | actually, i don't think there's good documentation anywhere on XML attributes |
| 02:09.32 | Kaso | ^ its a bit old now |
| 02:09.42 | Kaso | but shows basic xml frames quiet well |
| 02:09.48 | GFT | heh yeah... |
| 02:09.52 | GFT | documentation helps >..< |
| 02:09.54 | GFT | :P oh well haha |
| 02:09.55 | Legorol | GFT: the thing is, attributes like name/parent/text declared in the XML are modifiable later from code |
| 02:09.58 | jaeger | you could always dig through the blizzard code but it's not a clean reference like you're looking for |
| 02:10.00 | alestane | And it sounds like he's looking for info on the actual frames created for the stock UI. |
| 02:10.12 | Legorol | nono, he is looking for the definition of XML tag attributes |
| 02:10.19 | Legorol | GFT: there are two sources of info on that |
| 02:10.36 | Legorol | you can either look at UI.xsd, the compelte and exact schema file for the XML files used by WoW |
| 02:10.47 | Legorol | or you can look at the available functions for each widget and try to work it out from there |
| 02:11.00 | Legorol | for example, if you visit http://www.wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/LayeredRegion |
| 02:11.12 | Legorol | you will see: LayeredRegion:SetParent(region or "regionName") - Sets the parent of this region to the given region |
| 02:11.25 | Legorol | this corresponds to the parent="..." attribute in the XML |
| 02:11.36 | Legorol | btw, someone remind me to bonk clad|sleep at some point |
| 02:11.40 | Legorol | oops that came out wrong |
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| 02:12.29 | Legorol | GFT: do you have any good XML editing tools that can visualize schemas? |
| 02:12.46 | GFT | i use XML Marker |
| 02:12.47 | Legorol | the Blizzard UI kit will extract (among other things) a file named FrameXML\UI.xsd |
| 02:13.02 | Shirik | ah, that useless stuff in <Ui> becoming useful now |
| 02:13.10 | Legorol | if you can open that and visualize it, it's a complete list of all possible XML tags and attributes, although it doesn't explain what they do |
| 02:13.20 | GFT | hrm ok will look hold on |
| 02:13.25 | Legorol | i will hold :) |
| 02:13.47 | Legorol | Shirik: funnily enough, in my addons i tend to drop the schema reference :) |
| 02:14.09 | Legorol | It's a bad habit i acquired when FrameXML got protected |
| 02:14.26 | Legorol | I used to have ..\..\FrameXML\UI.xsd in there |
| 02:15.20 | GFT | whre is the blizzard UI kit? |
| 02:15.35 | GFT | the thing i downloaded it? |
| 02:15.51 | Shirik | ~framexml |
| 02:15.52 | purl | Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ or view it online at http://wowcompares.com/ |
| 02:16.02 | GFT | lawls.. |
| 02:16.03 | GFT | haha |
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| 02:18.04 | Legorol | Shirik: i think that definition should be fixed. wowcompares' version doesn't have the demos, does it? |
| 02:18.51 | Shirik | I wasn't even aware the name changed |
| 02:18.52 | Shirik | lol |
| 02:20.15 | Kaso | didnt i have another name between wdn.wowinterface.com and wowcompares.com ? |
| 02:20.54 | MentalPower | those are oth the same |
| 02:21.00 | MentalPower | both* |
| 02:21.03 | Legorol | GFT: i think i found what you are looking for |
| 02:21.11 | GFT | haha ok |
| 02:21.55 | Kaso | MentalPower, yah, but as the "offical" name of the site |
| 02:22.19 | MentalPower | wdnaddons |
| 02:22.22 | Legorol | http://www.wowwiki.com/XML_basics and http://www.wowwiki.com/XML_Properties#Attributies and http://www.wowwiki.com/XML_Elements |
| 02:22.26 | Legorol | these are incomplete at best |
| 02:22.33 | Legorol | the first one is a tutorial type thing |
| 02:22.37 | Legorol | the other two are reference |
| 02:23.38 | GFT | actually not what I am looking for but those are useful legorol :P |
| 02:24.00 | GFT | thanks |
| 02:26.52 | Mikk | Most of us just ignore XML these days |
| 02:26.57 | Mikk | Easier to just CreateFrame() stuff |
| 02:27.22 | GFT | well I would still need to know what different frames are called with teh blizzard UI :P |
| 02:27.38 | GFT | whether it's XML or lua |
| 02:27.41 | Mikk | frame types you mean? |
| 02:27.47 | GFT | names |
| 02:27.49 | GFT | like.. |
| 02:27.53 | GFT | InboxFrame for your mailbox |
| 02:27.57 | Mikk | yeah ok |
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| 02:28.11 | GFT | so I can attach things like buttons to it |
| 02:31.04 | Legorol | GFT: that sort of stuff is not documented anywhere, you really have to trawl through the default UI's code for that |
| 02:31.17 | GFT | figures |
| 02:31.18 | GFT | haha |
| 02:31.25 | ScytheBlade1 | This is why WoW will never have a good reputation: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6441121580&sid=1 |
| 02:31.29 | Legorol | there are some addons that can help, for example Iriel's devtools allows you to mose over UI elements in-game and get a variety of debug info about them |
| 02:31.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Too many morons play the game. |
| 02:31.52 | ScytheBlade1 | "I filed a BBB complaint over arena balance." |
| 02:32.39 | jaeger | blizzard will not fix the scorpions in your nether regions |
| 02:33.31 | Corrodias | that's a troll post |
| 02:33.57 | jaeger | I hold the fond hope that one day people will learn not to feed trolls. My regret is that I'm sure it won't be in my lifetime :P |
| 02:34.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Entirely likely. But the topic isn't new to the CSF. |
| 02:34.56 | Legorol | ScytheBlade1: wow, just wow. |
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| 02:40.52 | GFT | isnt there a script command I can run to find out what frame my mouse is on? |
| 02:41.15 | ScytheBlade1 | GFT: do you have devtools installed? |
| 02:41.26 | GFT | umm dont think so.. |
| 02:41.42 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:42.20 | ScytheBlade1 | and haha @ R&D forums. Some genius posted links to a MMO 'sploiter/early leakage site |
| 02:42.35 | ScytheBlade1 | ... and one of the screenshots show a death knight, the realm, and the name of the character |
| 02:42.39 | ScytheBlade1 | SOMEONE IS ABOUT TO GET BANNED |
| 02:42.50 | kd3 | oh yeah, I saw that... fell out of my chair laughing |
| 02:43.03 | GFT | that's perfect ScytheBlade1 thanks |
| 02:43.07 | ScytheBlade1 | GFT: sure |
| 02:43.07 | GFT | exactly what I want.. |
| 02:43.16 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: yeah, for real. Stupid people are stupid. |
| 02:44.25 | GFT | wow.. that's amazing :D i have an account on wow now that has nothing but macros to help develop addons |
| 02:44.25 | GFT | haha |
| 02:44.32 | GFT | that's definitely one of them now |
| 02:45.00 | ScytheBlade1 | You should probably install DevTols |
| 02:45.02 | ScytheBlade1 | *Tools |
| 02:45.06 | ScytheBlade1 | ~devtools |
| 02:45.06 | purl | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? |
| 02:48.57 | cogwheel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6441211670&sid=1 |
| 02:48.59 | cogwheel | ^^^^ |
| 02:49.12 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel: deleted |
| 02:49.17 | cogwheel | awwww... |
| 02:50.12 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel: what was it? |
| 02:50.23 | cogwheel | screenie inc |
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| 02:51.54 | cogwheel | http://www.cogwheel.info/upload/files/post.jpg |
| 02:52.17 | ScytheBlade1 | :) |
| 02:52.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Gogo Zot |
| 02:52.24 | bleeter | wtb: Captcha for forum posts |
| 02:52.27 | kd3 | lmao |
| 02:52.31 | ScytheBlade1 | *Zoot |
| 02:52.42 | bleeter | someone just got keylogged and spammed most of the forums with a certain mmo exploit site |
| 02:53.26 | kd3 | which currently has a 69-page thread full of nothing but BS about people "getting the actual wrath client". it's amusing reading |
| 02:54.25 | bleeter | poor guy merely came to CSF to ask a simple question, and this is what he got :( |
| 02:54.34 | bleeter | mind you, i'm curious as to how he got logged ;) |
| 02:54.55 | ScytheBlade1 | LOL |
| 02:55.00 | ScytheBlade1 | LINKED ON THE CUSTOMER SERVICE FORUMS |
| 02:55.01 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6441211682&sid=1 |
| 02:55.20 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha that won't be up more than I minute I won't imagine |
| 02:55.24 | bleeter | ugh |
| 02:55.25 | kd3 | lmfao |
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| 02:55.30 | bleeter | that's a different toon to the original we saw |
| 02:55.31 | Corrodias | woot *raises the roof* |
| 02:55.40 | ScytheBlade1 | It is |
| 02:55.46 | bleeter | I suspect some attack's underway |
| 02:55.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Same |
| 02:56.01 | Cairenn | yeah, someone got hacked |
| 02:56.04 | ScytheBlade1 | And I really enjoyed reading the thread linked in the post. |
| 02:56.17 | ScytheBlade1 | It's 80 something pages of "I just made a death knight but it says the character is locked" |
| 02:56.34 | ScytheBlade1 | (read: USING MY REAL ACCOUNT ON THE REAL BLIZZARD SERVER) |
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| 02:56.51 | ScytheBlade1 | What a glorius day. |
| 02:57.42 | bleeter | holy hell, there's some hunter on my server with a 100 foot tall Goreclaw pet |
| 02:57.50 | bleeter | scared the crap outta me when I came round the corner |
| 02:57.59 | bleeter | well, maybe 30 ft |
| 02:58.13 | GFT | wow this is a pain.. still can't figure out that damn frame name.. |
| 02:58.47 | jaeger | did you look in MailFrame.xml? |
| 02:59.08 | Iriel | GFT: Did you install DevTools and use /dtframestack? |
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| 02:59.15 | jaeger | or that |
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| 02:59.46 | GFT | looking at auction frame right now.. but hold on let me download devtools |
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| 03:01.01 | kd3 | oof |
| 03:01.49 | GFT | so if i have multiple layers |
| 03:01.51 | GFT | like |
| 03:01.55 | GFT | on the auction house |
| 03:02.10 | GFT | i have the UI parent, then AuctionFrame on 6, then AuctionFrameBrowse on 5 |
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| 03:02.15 | GFT | do I have to go thorugh 6 to get to 5 ? |
| 03:02.20 | GFT | or can I just call 5 |
| 03:03.28 | Iriel | What do you mean by 'Call' ? |
| 03:05.08 | Iriel | Do you want to pretend to click abutton? |
| 03:05.15 | Iriel | Or are you trying to anchor? |
| 03:05.59 | GFT | trying to attach a button to the auction frame |
| 03:06.06 | GFT | to the left of the bid button |
| 03:06.17 | GFT | i know the frame name and whatnot |
| 03:06.41 | GFT | and the button name, just don't know why it's not showing up |
| 03:06.57 | Iriel | Did you anchor it right? |
| 03:07.11 | Iriel | If you've installed DevTools then try /dump YourFrameName:GetRect() |
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| 03:12.18 | GFT | i dont have a frame name |
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| 03:12.29 | GFT | it's just a button |
| 03:12.34 | GFT | doesn't do anything yet |
| 03:12.38 | GFT | i can attach the button to the mailbox |
| 03:12.49 | GFT | and it shows up fine.. but for some reason it wont show up on the auctions frame |
| 03:12.58 | Iriel | Did yu set the right parent and right anchor? |
| 03:13.07 | GFT | i believe so.. let me check |
| 03:13.08 | Iriel | And why not give your button a name, for now, so you can query it |
| 03:13.16 | GFT | it has a name |
| 03:13.22 | GFT | EasyBuyoutButton |
| 03:13.27 | Iriel | Ok then |
| 03:13.50 | Iriel | Do /dump EasyBuyoutButton:GetRect() |
| 03:14.07 | GFT | empty result |
| 03:14.22 | Iriel | Then your frame likely isn't shown, or isn't anchored, or both |
| 03:14.33 | GFT | hrm |
| 03:14.41 | Iriel | Try /script EasyBuyoutButton:SetPoint("CENTER", "UIParent", "CENTER") |
| 03:14.59 | GFT | hmm i see it |
| 03:15.07 | Iriel | So you've got an anchoring issue |
| 03:15.16 | Legorol | I wasn't following the conversation until now, but in the case of attaching to the AH UI, LoD might be an issue |
| 03:15.21 | Iriel | I suspect you tried anchoring to the auction house window before it loaded |
| 03:15.28 | Legorol | gmta |
| 03:15.41 | GFT | don't even know at this point.. haha |
| 03:15.47 | GFT | before the AH loaded? |
| 03:15.49 | GFT | oh.. |
| 03:15.55 | MentalPower | the AH is an AddOn |
| 03:15.57 | GFT | yeah i remember them saying that before.. |
| 03:16.03 | MentalPower | a load on demand addon |
| 03:16.14 | MentalPower | kd3: whatcha trying to get? |
| 03:16.14 | GFT | ok so i have to load my addon after the AH is loaded... |
| 03:16.15 | Legorol | i think it all starts with explaining what a LoD AddOn is |
| 03:16.20 | Legorol | yup |
| 03:16.28 | GFT | hrm ok that makes sense |
| 03:16.30 | kd3 | the alpha |
| 03:16.40 | Legorol | Alpha? where? how? gief! |
| 03:17.29 | Legorol | Mind you folks, my question wasn't serious. |
| 03:17.36 | Xuerian | Uh-huh |
| 03:17.37 | Legorol | I don't think that peddling in the Alpha client is a good idea |
| 03:17.42 | Xuerian | Uh-huh |
| 03:17.43 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 03:17.57 | GFT | how do I set what layer it's on? |
| 03:18.00 | GFT | right now it's behind the addon |
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| 03:18.10 | Legorol | What woudl you do with it anyway? It's not like you'd be able to log into it |
| 03:18.20 | Legorol | So 3 terrabytes of bandwidth wasted for... pretty login screen? |
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| 03:18.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Legorol: actually, you can login to the servers with your stock account, and make characters |
| 03:19.05 | Legorol | And you found this out by.... |
| 03:19.06 | Iriel | GFT: Youd do EasyBuyoutButton:SetFrameLevel(EasyBuyoutButton:GetParent():GetFrameLevel() + 1) |
| 03:19.10 | Legorol | nvm, i don't want to know |
| 03:19.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Google |
| 03:19.13 | Iriel | Assuming you go thte framelevel right? |
| 03:19.18 | bleeter | [tinfoil hat] Blizz leaked it so they could ban idiots who try to connect with their real account details |
| 03:19.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Nothing I've tried personally (really) |
| 03:19.24 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: I so hope. |
| 03:19.27 | Iriel | sorry, got the PARENT right |
| 03:19.37 | GFT | wow.. my head hurts |
| 03:20.24 | Xuerian | bleeter: Haha |
| 03:20.48 | Legorol | bleeter: good guess, but that's not how alphas/betas work |
| 03:21.06 | bleeter | Legorol: no [tinfoil hat]s? :'( |
| 03:21.20 | Legorol | uhm, i never really understood the tinfoil hat thing |
| 03:21.24 | Legorol | i know it's an ongoing joke |
| 03:21.31 | Iriel | Legorol: They block the radio waves that are controlling your mind |
| 03:21.35 | Legorol | aha |
| 03:21.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Legorol: synomymous with paranoia |
| 03:21.39 | Legorol | aha |
| 03:21.41 | bleeter | *radio waves from the aliens |
| 03:21.47 | Xuerian | nub. |
| 03:21.54 | Xuerian | lrn2tinfoil |
| 03:21.57 | Iriel | bleeter: s/aliens/government/ |
| 03:22.07 | bleeter | Iriel: one and the same |
| 03:22.23 | Legorol | what i was trying to say about the logins is: |
| 03:22.31 | Xuerian | Legorol: I think we all get the idea |
| 03:22.34 | Xuerian | >_> |
| 03:22.39 | Legorol | I know how it worked for EU beta, you upgraded your actual live account |
| 03:23.16 | Legorol | So I don't think it would raise any flags if someone tries to log in with their live account details |
| 03:23.24 | bleeter | meh, I'm just jealous 'coz clearly I have no F or F that deem me worthy :( |
| 03:23.30 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:23.31 | ScytheBlade1 | here here |
| 03:23.32 | Legorol | hehe |
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| 03:24.48 | bleeter | laugh up my misery guys, i dun mind |
| 03:24.50 | bleeter | ;) :P |
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| 03:28.27 | GFT | this is about 100x harder than I thought it was going to be haha |
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| 03:31.26 | Kajas | Ran into something that has completely baffled me.. I'm making an addon (obviously) and the toon i'm using to login and test it can use it just fine.. but my other toons can't even get it to load. I tried to use the /run <frame>:Show() command and I get a nil refrence error.. what could cause this? |
| 03:31.53 | ScytheBlade1 | The addon is disabled for that character. |
| 03:32.10 | Kajas | Nope, double checked that.. even used the UIParentLoadAddOn command |
| 03:32.46 | MentalPower | Kajas: thou shant never use UIParentLoadAddOn again! |
| 03:33.08 | Kajas | *gulp* I swear! .. just don't hit me with the ugly stick! |
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| 03:33.28 | Kajas | Double checked the addons loaded, and both toons have the exact same addons listed |
| 03:33.33 | MentalPower | LoadAddOn("name") will do just fine |
| 03:33.34 | Kajas | so.. yeah, I'm utterly lost |
| 03:33.53 | Kajas | Not to sound newbish but.. well, yeah I do.. What's the diff in the two? |
| 03:33.54 | MentalPower | Kajas: /dump IsAddOnLoaded("name") |
| 03:34.03 | Kajas | k, 1 sec |
| 03:34.17 | MentalPower | Kajas: the UIParent one is specific to blizz addons, and should not be used by us mortals |
| 03:35.30 | Kajas | okay so.. /dump IsAddOnLoaded("name") << Result: 1 >> |
| 03:35.41 | MentalPower | ok, so its loaded |
| 03:36.06 | MentalPower | any errors pop up? |
| 03:36.14 | Kajas | reloading ui now |
| 03:36.21 | Kajas | btw, thanks for taking the time to help me |
| 03:36.22 | MentalPower | do you have the show Lua errors setting enabled? |
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| 03:36.34 | Kajas | Yeah, and got Stubby |
| 03:36.40 | Kajas | heard it was a decent tracer |
| 03:37.09 | GFT | i asked this before but asking it again.. if someone would be interested in sitting down with me to make the addon I want step by step so I can learn as well, would be willing to pay |
| 03:37.28 | MentalPower | Kajas: stubby? no. Swatter? yes |
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| 03:37.45 | Kajas | GFT: My Advice -> Get the book on this rooms intro. I did and it's a tremendous refrence |
| 03:37.53 | Kajas | MentalPower: sry.. got 'em confused, lol |
| 03:38.00 | Fisker- | UNIT_SKINNABLE_BOLTS = "Requires Engineering"; -- The unit is a dead creature which can be skinned for its engineering parts |
| 03:38.03 | GFT | it's ordered.. but I would like to still work on it |
| 03:38.04 | GFT | :P |
| 03:38.13 | MentalPower | GFT: at the risk of sounding like RTFM, I suggest you read WoW Programming |
| 03:38.14 | GFT | it will be like thursday or so til it will get here most likely |
| 03:38.56 | GFT | that's teh thing MentalPower, the stuff I am looking to do.. as Legorol and others also agreed is that there is no documentation for it |
| 03:39.04 | Kajas | So I /rl and no errors were shown. I used the addon's slash command and nothing happened.. no error. I tried "/run MyAddon_Frame:Show()" and again.. not a thing. |
| 03:39.29 | MentalPower | GFT: theres *always* documentation, even if its in the minds of those of us that frequent this channel |
| 03:39.38 | GFT | which is what I am looking ot access :P |
| 03:39.40 | Mikk | you're being silly now MP :P |
| 03:39.52 | MentalPower | Mikk: you know its true tho :P |
| 03:40.03 | Mikk | but yeah a lot of the time we have to go digging in framexml and whatnot to grok what we're doing |
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| 03:40.10 | MentalPower | Kajas: /swat clear /rl /swat show |
| 03:40.11 | Mikk | there's a looot of stuff that has no real documentation |
| 03:40.32 | Mikk | sometimes we do the responsible thing and document it on wowwiki |
| 03:40.33 | Mikk | sometimes... not :o) |
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| 03:41.07 | Kajas | as soon as I used 'swat clear' I got a Cartographer Error about Waypoints (normal thing at this point) doing 'rl' now |
| 03:41.09 | Mikk | hola zoot |
| 03:41.16 | Zootfizzle | Heya =) |
| 03:41.16 | MentalPower | zoot! |
| 03:41.59 | Mikk | Is it you I need to visit with a foambat to scream over the name resolver changes? oO |
| 03:42.38 | GFT | :D |
| 03:42.44 | Zootfizzle | I assume not, because I don't know what you're talking about =) |
| 03:42.48 | Zootfizzle | So please don't hit me with anything! |
| 03:42.56 | Mikk | Damn! I need a target for my frustrations! |
| 03:43.03 | Kajas | MentalPower: okay the 'rl' is done. The only errors that are showing are for Cartographer and a few of the AceLibs, none of which my addon depends on |
| 03:43.17 | MentalPower | Mikk: OW! down boy!! |
| 03:43.30 | bleeter | good afternoon zoot :) |
| 03:43.34 | MentalPower | Kajas: check the FrameXML log |
| 03:43.44 | Kajas | D'OH!... checking |
| 03:44.12 | Mikk | 128 names resolved... every 30 seconds... for an average of 4 names per second ... when scanning an AH of 15000+ items ... |
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| 03:44.49 | MentalPower | :) |
| 03:44.52 | Guest977 | I'm new to cosmos, but is there a way that I can download all the add ons at once? |
| 03:45.12 | AnduinLothar | grab the complete distro fromt eh download page |
| 03:45.20 | AnduinLothar | or use the patcher |
| 03:45.24 | Arrowmaster | oh thats new, the spamers are using .c{circle}m now |
| 03:45.41 | bleeter | Arrowmaster: yeah, seen that and variants over the past few weeks |
| 03:45.51 | bleeter | .(0m as an eg |
| 03:45.54 | Arrowmaster | oddly i dont see much spam |
| 03:46.00 | Arrowmaster | only in trade |
| 03:46.12 | Kajas | The only entries in FrameXML are dated for 12/16 of last year, lol |
| 03:46.13 | Mikk | Otoh it looks damn humorous if you do a getall query, loop all items immediately, and hearth to Shatt |
| 03:46.13 | Mikk | Everyone is "Unknown" for 10 minutes :o) |
| 03:46.13 | Mikk | Master Sergeant Unknown! |
| 03:46.13 | Mikk | Unknown Hand of A'Dal! |
| 03:46.13 | Mikk | Kajas: that sounds unlikely |
| 03:46.26 | bleeter | unkwn hand.. sounds kinky |
| 03:47.10 | Mikk | Aye... like the Ghost Hand ... sit on your hand for ten minutes first |
| 03:47.14 | Mikk | Then it feels like someone else doing it! |
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| 03:48.10 | Gnarfoz | TMI right there |
| 03:48.47 | Guest894 | This is also a noob question, but just to clarify, Cosmos_Complete Package covers every add on correct? |
| 03:49.12 | bleeter | very addon from Cosmos, ys |
| 03:49.13 | bleeter | yes |
| 03:49.23 | Guest894 | thank you |
| 03:49.47 | Zootfizzle | Mikk: Oh, I know what you're talking about now! It's definitely still something we're working on, so sit tight on your ghost hand :P |
| 03:50.54 | bleeter | Zootfizzle: glad to hear you guys are still working on it, would hate to think that was the 'final' solution ;) |
| 03:51.04 | Mikk | I wonder... if I were to sit on my hand for ten minutes... and then thwap zoot with a foambat... if it would seem like i'm watching a third person hit zoot, and, if so, if it would be more enjoyable than experiencing it first-hand (pardon the pun) |
| 03:51.07 | Kajas | Anyone have any other thoughts as to what could be the cause of this issue? Half-tempted to pull the AddOn folder out and create a new one with only my AddOn in it |
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| 03:51.26 | MentalPower | Kajas: disable all other addons |
| 03:51.36 | bleeter | oops :( |
| 03:51.37 | bleeter | soz |
| 03:51.56 | Mikk | Hmm... the deep secrets of the cosmos... require much pondering |
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| 03:58.50 | GFT | bleh fixing to just freelance someone out to make this >..< |
| 03:58.51 | GFT | haha |
| 04:02.57 | GFT | so still no one is willing to take me up on the offer of helping me make this addon or at the very least get started on it for some $ |
| 04:03.43 | Gngsk | what do you want the addon to do? |
| 04:03.57 | GFT | easier way to buyout auctions on the AH.. multiple auctions |
| 04:04.00 | GFT | and.. i realize |
| 04:04.07 | GFT | that there are some things that might not be possible |
| 04:04.13 | GFT | so I have different ideas for the addon |
| 04:04.21 | jaeger | sorry, I'm too much of a beginner to be of use to you |
| 04:04.53 | GFT | you prolly know way more than me.. |
| 04:05.04 | GFT | I do have the book ordered.. but i dont want to sit around nad wait for it to come in |
| 04:05.15 | GFT | and I don't even know if the book will help me do what i want to do |
| 04:06.02 | GFT | i'm a complainer i know |
| 04:06.03 | Gngsk | so wait, what's not easy about the current functionality of buying out items? |
| 04:06.05 | GFT | but heh |
| 04:06.14 | Kajas | ... |
| 04:06.47 | GFT | Gngsk: let's say I want to buy 20 stacks of ore on the AH so I can prospect.. what I would have to do is select the auction, hit the buyout button, confirm the buyout and rinse and repeat |
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| 04:07.17 | GFT | the ideal addon i would like would be to select multiple auctions, hit one button and buy it... which i understand it might not be possible |
| 04:07.19 | Gngsk | GFT, so like you select multiple stacks and press buyout and it buys them all? |
| 04:07.26 | GFT | that would be nice |
| 04:07.28 | GFT | or at the very least |
| 04:07.33 | Mikk | i've got a small addon that cancels my own auctions with a single right click |
| 04:07.45 | Mikk | it'd be equally simple to buyout stuff with a single right click |
| 04:07.50 | GFT | have a buyout button next to each auction that I can hit and select to buyout with no confirmation |
| 04:07.57 | Mikk | or that |
| 04:08.01 | Gngsk | is it even possible to select more than one auction listing? you'd likely have to do a ctmailmod/postal checkbutton type thing |
| 04:08.12 | GFT | Gngsk could you do a checkbox next to each auction on a page? |
| 04:08.21 | GFT | yeah |
| 04:08.27 | Gngsk | i think so |
| 04:08.27 | GFT | this is the addon I want to create |
| 04:08.34 | Mikk | checkboxes are a bad idea.. you'd still have to click once per buyout |
| 04:08.41 | Mikk | better to just instabuy |
| 04:08.46 | GFT | well that depends mikk |
| 04:08.51 | GFT | let me explain |
| 04:08.57 | Gngsk | mikk, you could click the top, hold shift, click the bottom, click buyout and that saves clicks! |
| 04:09.14 | GFT | if we had checkboxes you could hit a buyout button that would give you a confirmation with a total amount of money you would spend |
| 04:09.27 | GFT | with all the auctions |
| 04:09.47 | Mikk | true, but it's twice the amount of clicks |
| 04:10.02 | GFT | i dont care if it sets itself in a loop and buys it out through hitting a single button |
| 04:10.08 | GFT | yeah but it would still be faster |
| 04:10.10 | Gngsk | yah, express mail type buyout is prolly the easiest solution |
| 04:10.37 | GFT | so i am looking for osmoene to help me make it.. sit down and teach me how to make it.. and I would be willing to pay for that time spent |
| 04:11.06 | Gngsk | what I'd like to see is enter validation for UIPopups |
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| 04:11.16 | MentalPower | lua> 2^32-1 |
| 04:11.20 | MentalPower | --> 2^32-1 |
| 04:11.20 | batbot | MentalPower: > 4294967295 |
| 04:12.25 | GFT | so Gngsk do you know if this would be possible? |
| 04:12.39 | Gngsk | GFT, shift-click to buyout? |
| 04:12.47 | GFT | well anything I said |
| 04:13.33 | GFT | hell shift+click to buyout would be nice.. |
| 04:13.34 | GFT | heh |
| 04:13.43 | Gngsk | that'd prolly be fairly easy to add |
| 04:14.06 | GFT | would the other option of having a single buyout button for multiple selected options work? |
| 04:14.34 | Gngsk | probably but what'd be the point if you could just shift-click to buyout? |
| 04:15.22 | GFT | so you could get a total before buying out |
| 04:15.54 | Gngsk | i personally don't know what the best way to handle a batch buyout would be |
| 04:16.41 | Gngsk | as far as adding shift-click buyouts, i think it might be as easy as adding an OnClick handler for the button that calls PlaceAuctionBid() with the correct args |
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| 04:20.48 | GFT | so for the shift click thing I wouldn't even need an XML file |
| 04:20.58 | GFT | unless I created like an options menu or something |
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| 04:21.27 | Gngsk | afaik you don't need an xml file ever, unless it makes something you're doing easier, usually via templates |
| 04:25.50 | GFT | hrm wowwiki doesn't have an API for auction buyout |
| 04:26.21 | Gngsk | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_PlaceAuctionBid |
| 04:26.49 | GFT | so i guess buyout uses that cuz if you bid the full amount it buys it automatically.. |
| 04:26.57 | Gngsk | yar |
| 04:28.42 | GFT | hmm ok yeah just tested it, doesn't even confirm.. so |
| 04:29.30 | Gngsk | yah, you have to call the staticpopup if you want it to confirm |
| 04:30.15 | GFT | ok so I can also use GetAuctionItemInfo to get the buyout price.. |
| 04:30.36 | GFT | along with other information I don't want |
| 04:33.10 | GFT | so whats the thing i use to listen for a shift+click |
| 04:33.11 | GFT | ? |
| 04:33.21 | Gngsk | SetScript |
| 04:33.49 | Gngsk | Frame:SetScript("OnClick", function() if IsShiftDown() then Stuff() end end) |
| 04:33.52 | Gngsk | off the top of my head |
| 04:35.43 | Gngsk | IsShiftKeyDown() |
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| 04:38.45 | GFT | wow my head hurts.. |
| 04:40.44 | GFT | oh my jesus... |
| 04:43.38 | Kajas | Getting rid of all my addons and cleaning it up a bit... had amassed over 180 Megs worth of mess in the AddOns folder.. where is the saved data for those addons stored? Want to delete some, but keep others (Such as Auctioneer) |
| 04:44.16 | Mikk | Under the WTF folder |
| 04:44.27 | Kajas | Found it, cool.. Thanks :) |
| 04:44.42 | GFT | hey mikk you said you had the right click thing to cancel addons? |
| 04:44.49 | Mikk | auctions |
| 04:44.49 | Mikk | yes |
| 04:44.51 | GFT | yeah that |
| 04:44.58 | GFT | don't suppose I could look at that could I? |
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| 04:46.28 | Mikk | http://mikk.cjb.net/temp/OneClickAuctionCancel20080227041129.zip |
| 04:46.40 | GFT | aweosme thank you! |
| 04:47.00 | Arrowmaster | Kajas: only 180 MB in the addon folder? |
| 04:47.22 | Kajas | Yep, to me.. that's a lot, lol |
| 04:47.59 | Arrowmaster | sec its still counting |
| 04:48.34 | Arrowmaster | hmm i think its done |
| 04:48.56 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got a whopping... 38MB |
| 04:49.12 | ScytheBlade1 | (Most of it being auctioneer ;D) |
| 04:49.38 | Arrowmaster | bah only Size: 126MB Size on disk: 165MB Contains: 12,748 Files, 7,159 Folders |
| 04:49.43 | Arrowmaster | i must have cleaned it up some |
| 04:50.06 | GFT | works nice Mikk |
| 04:50.07 | GFT | heh |
| 04:50.16 | GFT | looking at the code.. still confused.. but it gives me a starting place |
| 04:52.32 | Kajas | Is it possible to send money to a player via an addon using the secured functions if the data and variables are made/held from a tainted line? |
| 04:52.47 | GFT | hrm ia m getting an assertion error when i just changed the file name and .toc info |
| 04:53.36 | Kajas | Granted, it would only happen when they opened the mailbox, and would get the confirm box.. but just curioud if an addon could have a 'cost' associated with a function and next time a player visited a mailbox, would attempt to send said monies to player |
| 04:53.42 | Kajas | Simply curious is all |
| 04:54.20 | Kajas | ...good grif that sounds soo evil and crooked reading that back.. |
| 04:54.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Kajas: the function that adds gold to mails is protected |
| 04:54.45 | Arrowmaster | theres nothing secure about those functions |
| 04:55.03 | Arrowmaster | protected as in hardware event required right |
| 04:55.17 | ScytheBlade1 | As in "addon authors can't touch it period" I thought |
| 04:55.23 | Kajas | right.. the SendMoneyMail.. or something like that is protected |
| 04:55.25 | Arrowmaster | impossible |
| 04:55.25 | GFT | Mikk: when i changed the names of the files to my addon name.. no code changes.. i am getting an assertion error.. |
| 04:55.33 | GFT | with this assert(AuctionsButton_OnClick) |
| 04:55.54 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd have to look into it more, it's been a while since I poked with it |
| 04:56.08 | Arrowmaster | i swore it wasnt 100% protected |
| 04:56.17 | Arrowmaster | but i havent messed with the mailbox |
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| 04:56.20 | ScytheBlade1 | What I DO know is that the idea of sneaking six lines of code into a multi-thousand line addon that mailed someone gold was an idea that was... |
| 04:56.23 | Kajas | With the secure templates you can access it.. but it can't contain any taint.. at least according to that book |
| 04:56.31 | ScytheBlade1 | ... frowned upon by blizzard |
| 04:56.40 | Kajas | as it should be |
| 04:56.51 | Arrowmaster | you wouldnt be able to do it with secure templates |
| 04:56.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Kajas: secure templates can't be used to play with the mailbox |
| 04:56.57 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 04:56.58 | Arrowmaster | since theres no secure template to do it |
| 04:57.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Exactly |
| 04:57.09 | ScytheBlade1 | The templates are just that: templates |
| 04:57.12 | widgertick | I haven't messed with it in some time myself, but I'm pretty sure that it's one of those functions that you can run as long as there was a hardware event. |
| 04:57.19 | Kajas | 1 sec |
| 04:57.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Each template lets you do one special thing |
| 04:57.24 | Arrowmaster | GFT: its because the toc makes his addon only load when the auctionhouse is opened |
| 04:57.27 | ScytheBlade1 | It doesn't give you access to the protected functions |
| 04:57.53 | ScytheBlade1 | widgertick: I seem to remember differently, but alas, I never poked with it much in the first place |
| 04:58.04 | widgertick | It'd be pretty easy to test =) |
| 04:58.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah. But I'm pretty lazy. =] |
| 04:58.17 | Arrowmaster | we all are |
| 04:58.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Ding ding ding |
| 04:58.23 | GFT | oi.. thanks Arrowmaster |
| 04:58.32 | widgertick | I was going to disagree with you, but typing it sounded like it would require too much effort. |
| 05:05.10 | GFT | hrm |
| 05:05.16 | GFT | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:05.19 | GFT | isnt' registering |
| 05:05.25 | GFT | works if it's just right click |
| 05:05.36 | GFT | i even did true without quotes.. |
| 05:05.44 | ScytheBlade1 | pastey the code |
| 05:05.55 | ScytheBlade1 | (all relevant code, anyway) |
| 05:06.01 | GFT | http://pastebin.com/m1b567564 |
| 05:06.40 | MentalPower | GFT: if (arg1 == "RightButton") and IsShiftKeyDown() then |
| 05:07.25 | GFT | still not working |
| 05:08.09 | Tekkub | http://disgraphtdwarf.blogspot.com/2008/05/episode-16-indiana-dwarf-and-temple-of.html |
| 05:08.29 | ScytheBlade1 | How are you assigning the AuctionsButton_OnClick() to fire when the button is clicked? |
| 05:08.31 | widgertick | You should get the variables out of the vararg anyway :P |
| 05:08.45 | ScytheBlade1 | I see you registering for the clicks, but I don't see you telling the frames to use that function |
| 05:09.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Err |
| 05:09.08 | ScytheBlade1 | I shouldn't comment this late while on lortab |
| 05:09.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Bad thigns happen |
| 05:09.23 | ScytheBlade1 | *things |
| 05:09.24 | GFT | so if you just right click it works fine |
| 05:10.27 | Kajas | What do you guys think is 'the' pannel mod? I've used TitanPannel and FuBar, of which I prefer FuBar to.. what else do you folks like? |
| 05:10.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Real quick, something widgertick mentioned. Before your initial "if", you should add: "local arg1 = ..." |
| 05:10.40 | Tekkub | Kajas, neither |
| 05:10.52 | Kajas | heh, hence the question :) |
| 05:11.12 | ScytheBlade1 | The "..." is called the vararg, and it contains all of the arguments passed to it. As it stands now, your "arg1" is a global, and accessing them in that manner is deprecitated |
| 05:11.13 | Kajas | replaced PitBull with X-Perl last week.. must say.. I like X-Perl much better |
| 05:11.34 | Gngsk | GFT, try this out, alt-click to buyout, shift is used to itemlink and ctrl is used to dressup, afaik alt isn't used. http://wowi.pastey.net/88089 |
| 05:11.47 | Tekkub | I call the "..." an "elipsis"... |
| 05:11.53 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:11.58 | MentalPower | ellipsis imo :) |
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| 05:12.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Also perfectly valid ;) |
| 05:12.12 | Tekkub | others call it a "tupple" |
| 05:12.24 | Kajas | Tekkaub: What do you suggest for a pannel mod? |
| 05:12.27 | widgertick | I call that "silly" |
| 05:12.36 | Tekkub | but that's for people that call "&" an "and sign" and @ an "at" |
| 05:12.46 | Tekkub | Kajas, I don't |
| 05:13.22 | Tekkub | look at all the crap you have on that bar and ask yourself, how often do I look at this"... you'll whittle it down to probably 3-4 |
| 05:15.19 | Mikk | alt-click to buyout..... no |
| 05:15.21 | Mikk | i don't recommend it |
| 05:15.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Ohh, I totally just found something else to harass Zoot to add to WoW, *instead* of LuaSocket. Check this: LuaSQL + sqlite. |
| 05:15.57 | Gngsk | mikk, any specific reason? |
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| 05:16.07 | Mikk | because plenty of addons use it already |
| 05:16.20 | Mikk | especially auctioneer uses it to load items into e.g. appraiser |
| 05:16.36 | GFT | lajesus... |
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| 05:17.07 | Gngsk | sounds like a good enough reason to me |
| 05:17.54 | GFT | i can't get it to work.. |
| 05:17.57 | GFT | alt.. shift.. anything |
| 05:18.02 | GFT | pos scripting >..< |
| 05:18.03 | GFT | haha |
| 05:19.24 | widgertick | IsShiftKeyDown() returns either 1 or nil, so comparing against "true" will never work |
| 05:19.38 | GFT | wowwiki said true or nil... |
| 05:19.42 | GFT | those punks |
| 05:19.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Well |
| 05:19.49 | GFT | oh.. |
| 05:19.50 | GFT | wait |
| 05:19.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Wowwiki didn't 100% lie |
| 05:19.52 | GFT | they did say 1 |
| 05:20.00 | ScytheBlade1 | In lua, everything is either nil OR "true" |
| 05:20.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Not the literal string "true" mind you |
| 05:20.10 | Mikk | http://www.wowwiki.com/bool |
| 05:20.16 | Mikk | or hm |
| 05:20.29 | Mikk | http://www.wowwiki.com/Boolean |
| 05:20.44 | Mikk | ScytheBlade1: not true |
| 05:20.50 | Iriel | ScytheBlade1: you forgot false |
| 05:20.54 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 05:20.55 | ScytheBlade1 | So I did |
| 05:21.04 | Mikk | used to be nil vs everything else before 5.0 |
| 05:21.12 | ScytheBlade1 | I should really get to sleep, but the medicine takes a bit to kick in |
| 05:21.22 | ScytheBlade1 | So I'll continue piping in here and being wrong for a bit longer |
| 05:21.24 | ScytheBlade1 | =] |
| 05:22.11 | GFT | wow.. shift right clicking is a pain.. |
| 05:22.40 | GFT | i dont think you can use shift in teh AH actually |
| 05:23.37 | Mikk | you can but you'd have to rewrite blizzard's onclick handler |
| 05:24.12 | Mikk | or at least write a wrapper for it that checks for shift+rightclick before handing off to the original |
| 05:25.30 | GFT | i should just write a check for someone to make this damn thing |
| 05:25.31 | GFT | haha |
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| 05:26.05 | DARKGuy | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:31.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Penny-Arcade game on Wednesday |
| 05:31.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone picking it up? |
| 05:32.08 | Fisker- | no |
| 05:32.11 | ScytheBlade1 | No?! |
| 05:32.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Blasphemer! |
| 05:32.31 | Fisker- | it's not steam so they can suck it |
| 05:32.41 | Fisker- | not wasting my time on that bs |
| 05:32.45 | ScytheBlade1 | It's also "push a button and it'll download" and not a third party app |
| 05:32.50 | MentalPower | ... |
| 05:33.06 | Fisker- | not steam = GTFO |
| 05:33.39 | ScytheBlade1 | I see |
| 05:33.39 | GFT | ok real quick |
| 05:34.00 | GFT | how do I specifically grab the buyout price from this function |
| 05:34.00 | GFT | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetAuctionItemInfo |
| 05:34.05 | GFT | since it returns a bunch of stuff |
| 05:34.18 | ScytheBlade1 | See that box up top? |
| 05:34.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Yellow dotted border? |
| 05:34.27 | Fisker- | infact ScytheBlade1 |
| 05:34.33 | Fisker- | I'm going to warez it |
| 05:34.35 | ScytheBlade1 | That's valid lua (once you pass the proper arguments) |
| 05:34.36 | GFT | just have to get all of them? |
| 05:34.40 | Fisker- | just because you mentioned it |
| 05:34.51 | ScytheBlade1 | GFT: most people assign _ to the values that they don't want |
| 05:34.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Or, if you just want one SINGLE value, you can use select() |
| 05:36.34 | Fisker- | and you know what ScytheBlade1? |
| 05:36.36 | DARKGuy | ScytheBlade1, what game? :P |
| 05:36.44 | Fisker- | I'll be throwing cans out the window as well |
| 05:36.54 | ScytheBlade1 | DARKGuy: On the Rain-Slick Precipice of Darkness: Episode One |
| 05:36.56 | DARKGuy | As long as they hit little kids. |
| 05:37.03 | ScytheBlade1 | DARKGuy: playgreenhouse.com |
| 05:37.13 | GFT | http://pastebin.com/m3bb860a4 |
| 05:37.18 | GFT | i am doing that right now.. |
| 05:37.29 | GFT | but doesnt seem to be working |
| 05:37.56 | GFT | nvm |
| 05:37.57 | GFT | yes it does.. |
| 05:38.22 | GFT | ok so that works.. |
| 05:38.28 | Gngsk | local buyoutPrice = select(9, GetAuctionItemInfo("list", GetSelectedAuctionItem("list"))) |
| 05:38.30 | DARKGuy | ScytheBlade1, oh wow, that's gonna be so frickin' cool. |
| 05:38.33 | DARKGuy | I'll wait for it :P |
| 05:38.35 | Gngsk | GFT, that's how you'd use uselect |
| 05:38.37 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:38.45 | Gngsk | select() rather |
| 05:39.00 | GFT | oooh.. ok |
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| 05:39.01 | ScytheBlade1 | DARKGuy: they've got 3/4 preview comic strips up on the home page. Worth a read, imo |
| 05:39.04 | DARKGuy | the graphics look cool. WTF, FF mockup. |
| 05:39.31 | ScytheBlade1 | They've also got a high-def preview trailer on the site. It'll be quite the game |
| 05:39.46 | widgertick | OF DEATH |
| 05:39.55 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 05:40.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Quite possibly! Who knows! |
| 05:40.11 | widgertick | ONLY DEATH |
| 05:40.17 | ScytheBlade1 | I think they said it'll clock in around 9 to 11 hours of gameplay, for $20 |
| 05:40.23 | Fisker- | infact ScytheBlade1 i'll set my server to DoS them |
| 05:40.29 | Fisker- | so they get massive internet bills as well |
| 05:40.33 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:40.45 | widgertick | Heh |
| 05:40.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Something tells me that widger noticed my earlier comment concerning LuaSQL |
| 05:41.08 | ScytheBlade1 | With his obsession with death and all |
| 05:41.11 | widgertick | How egotistical would you have to be to assume that the reason Penny Arcade has high intarweb billz is your DoS attack? ;) |
| 05:41.29 | DARKGuy | haha |
| 05:41.33 | ScytheBlade1 | lol, that's a very good point |
| 05:41.39 | Fisker- | infact ScytheBlade1 i might just commit fraud in their name |
| 05:41.57 | widgertick | It's a good thing none of us know any of Fisker's plans... |
| 05:42.00 | DARKGuy | Fisker-, you could make me a new UI instead |
| 05:42.04 | Fisker- | never |
| 05:42.08 | DARKGuy | :) |
| 05:42.08 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm... pretty sure that they likely won't even care |
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| 05:42.27 | ScytheBlade1 | See: http://www.zug.com/pranks/credit/mj-credit-card/ |
| 05:42.29 | DARKGuy | it's more entertaining that casting DDOS: Penny Arcade on them with a miss rate of 101% |
| 05:42.30 | Fisker- | they won't care taking it up the ass from some serialkiller in prison? |
| 05:43.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Considering the charity that they run, and how widely publcized their names are as-is |
| 05:43.47 | ScytheBlade1 | I think you could do better than simple fraud |
| 05:45.06 | Fisker- | i'll make the charity look like an al-qaeda fund |
| 05:45.12 | Fisker- | good idea ScytheBlade1 |
| 05:45.22 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:45.30 | ScytheBlade1 | And to that end, I wish you good luck |
| 05:45.38 | ScytheBlade1 | (In prison where you'll wind up quite quickly) |
| 05:45.49 | GFT | http://pastebin.com/m5f7bb41e <<-- ok almost got it working now.. but for some reason it's only registering right clicks when I am in the auctions frame |
| 05:45.51 | Fisker- | i am some kind of supergod actually |
| 05:45.56 | GFT | not the browse frame |
| 05:46.01 | GFT | even though I changed it to the list |
| 05:46.08 | GFT | just the right click part |
| 05:46.39 | ScytheBlade1 | GFT: does the AH reuse AuctionsButtonX, or do they have a new frame name? |
| 05:47.32 | GFT | oh it's browseButtons in the main frame |
| 05:47.34 | GFT | not auctionsbuttons |
| 05:47.36 | GFT | thanks |
| 05:47.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 05:48.00 | Fisker- | also |
| 05:48.19 | Fisker- | not even will i make it look like an al-qaeda fund, i'll also make it look like they visit the hospitals to molest children |
| 05:48.33 | Fisker- | that is of course if they don't put that game up on steam |
| 05:48.53 | DARKGuy | it would be cool if you do that if they put it on steam |
| 05:48.55 | DARKGuy | ... who cares |
| 05:49.02 | DARKGuy | everyone is gonna end up sharing it -.- |
| 05:49.10 | End | hmm, vista's "Windows Experience Index" appears to be retarded |
| 05:49.17 | DARKGuy | it -is- retarded, End :P |
| 05:49.33 | End | well, that'd explain it |
| 05:49.33 | Fisker- | you only say that to look cool |
| 05:49.47 | DARKGuy | Fisker-, I -am- cool |
| 05:50.08 | End | It says it needs to be refreshed, but refreshing doesn't solve it's need to refresh problem :P |
| 05:50.09 | DARKGuy | End, it is based on your lowest score, that's why it's retarded |
| 05:50.18 | DARKGuy | you can cheat it to make it be 9,9 though :) |
| 05:50.32 | End | well, I permamently have new hardware detected :P |
| 05:50.37 | End | and it won |
| 05:50.43 | DARKGuy | lol |
| 05:50.43 | End | and it won't actually refresh |
| 05:50.53 | DARKGuy | try running winsat or something |
| 05:50.57 | DARKGuy | that usually fixes it |
| 05:51.22 | End | what is winsat exactly? |
| 05:51.36 | MentalPower | what is actually run when you do the system assesment |
| 05:51.41 | End | ah |
| 05:51.45 | MentalPower | the commandline version of it |
| 05:51.58 | MentalPower | Fisker-: what do you have against non-steam stuff? |
| 05:51.59 | End | well, it appears to run it fine even through the control panel doohickey |
| 05:52.10 | MentalPower | right, but it won't update |
| 05:52.12 | End | yea |
| 05:52.17 | MentalPower | run winsat |
| 05:52.23 | End | I am/did |
| 05:52.46 | Fisker- | MentalPower it's not steam |
| 05:53.04 | End | hmm |
| 05:53.07 | End | didn't help any |
| 05:53.14 | DARKGuy | :/ |
| 05:53.36 | GFT | WOO |
| 05:53.37 | GFT | it works |
| 05:53.38 | GFT | :D |
| 05:53.43 | GFT | finally.. |
| 05:53.44 | GFT | hah |
| 05:53.55 | End | although, I think winsat wants a command line argument, but the window goes away so fast I can't tell |
| 05:54.36 | End | ah well, I don't care that much what the number actually is (I was mostly just curious) |
| 05:54.36 | DARKGuy | winsat /? will tell you more |
| 05:54.41 | Nechckn | so open the command prompt in run type cmd |
| 05:54.42 | DARKGuy | but there isn't much info about it :P |
| 05:54.48 | End | it opens a new window |
| 05:54.52 | MentalPower | End: run cmd, *then* run winsat |
| 05:54.53 | End | outside of the command prompt |
| 05:54.59 | End | which is really weird |
| 05:55.37 | DARKGuy | Well this program is said to change (AND) reset the score - it might help, but I've never used it: http://www.mydigitallife.info/2007/08/29/modify-and-cheat-windows-vista-experience-index-rating-with-systempoint/ |
| 05:56.06 | DARKGuy | I imagine that if you reset it to zero and then refresh the score, it will stay as it should be |
| 05:56.48 | End | oh |
| 05:57.03 | End | I know why winsat spawns a NEW window instead of using my command prompt :P |
| 05:57.06 | End | I still have UAC on |
| 05:57.10 | End | (lawl!) |
| 05:57.37 | MentalPower | End: start, type cmd and use Ctrl+shift+enter to run it elevated |
| 05:57.47 | MentalPower | then do "winsat formal" |
| 05:57.51 | DARKGuy | DUH |
| 05:57.51 | DARKGuy | xD |
| 05:57.56 | End | yup |
| 05:57.57 | GFT | how do I comment in lua? |
| 05:57.58 | End | that works |
| 05:58.07 | Arrowmaster | GFT: -- |
| 05:58.08 | MentalPower | GFT: --this is a oneline comment |
| 05:58.11 | GFT | thanks |
| 05:58.21 | MentalPower | GFT: --[[this comment can span multiple lines]] |
| 05:58.29 | GFT | ok cool |
| 05:58.34 | End | so far, vista is silly |
| 05:58.45 | MentalPower | I tend to disagree |
| 05:58.47 | MentalPower | but meh |
| 05:59.05 | End | I've been getting hit with a lot of silly little things today |
| 05:59.17 | ScytheBlade1 | heh, random bits of wrath are spilling across the internet already |
| 05:59.18 | End | not all together bad |
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| 06:02.14 | End | hmm, no change in the numbers, but I'm not going to worry about it at this point |
| 06:02.33 | Fisker- | Anyone know how i can parse ?something=something in an url using asp.net? |
| 06:02.35 | End | (although, it did give some -real- numbers from command line, but the made up numbers don't update) |
| 06:02.36 | MentalPower | did it at least stick? |
| 06:02.53 | End | no change |
| 06:03.23 | MentalPower | does it still say hardware changed? |
| 06:03.27 | DARKGuy | meh, I'd say it's just screwed up in its own config files. |
| 06:03.41 | End | yeah it does |
| 06:04.01 | GFT | ok thanks agian guys for all your help.. i am wanting to add some newer features to this thing later.. |
| 06:04.02 | End | I didn't try rebooting though ;-p |
| 06:04.08 | GFT | but at least rightclick auto buyout works |
| 06:04.12 | GFT | so thanks again :P |
| 06:04.17 | GFT | especially Mikk <3 |
| 06:04.43 | End | I -am- rebooting, but only because the updater just finished installing stuff |
| 06:05.26 | GFT | wait.. shit now it's not working o..O |
| 06:10.13 | GFT | GetSelectAuctionItem returns 1-8 |
| 06:10.18 | GFT | not 1-50 like it should |
| 06:10.21 | GFT | and wowwiki said.. |
| 06:10.22 | GFT | >..< |
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| 06:11.52 | MentalPower | GFT: actually its 1-GetNumAuctionItems() |
| 06:12.12 | MentalPower | so it could be >50 for a GetAll request |
| 06:12.30 | GFT | well yeah but it does me no good if I scroll down the page and it says the auction I am on is 6 when it's index is really like 20 |
| 06:12.37 | GFT | and it's buying out auctions that I am not selecting |
| 06:12.42 | GFT | it works fine til I scroll down the page |
| 06:14.08 | GFT | wowwiki's thing must be old.. |
| 06:14.10 | MentalPower | oh, hmm... |
| 06:14.21 | MentalPower | nah, just incorrect |
| 06:14.23 | GFT | PlaceAuctionBid uses 1-50 to place your bid.. |
| 06:14.40 | GFT | yet GetSelectedAuction returns the index of what you see |
| 06:14.44 | GFT | so.. |
| 06:14.48 | GFT | that really screws shit up |
| 06:15.17 | MentalPower | you need to get the offset |
| 06:16.02 | GFT | yeah.. but how? |
| 06:16.43 | Fisker- | I remember being able to check a value for nulls in .net |
| 06:16.46 | Fisker- | without exception handling |
| 06:16.51 | Fisker- | anyone else remember? :P |
| 06:17.46 | MentalPower | GFT: check how the default UI does it |
| 06:18.36 | MentalPower | should be on the buyout button's OnClick handler |
| 06:18.37 | DARKGuy | Is there any website where to get custom border images for WoW? |
| 06:18.41 | MentalPower | bif/buyout |
| 06:18.49 | MentalPower | bid* |
| 06:19.25 | Nechckn | DARKGuy the Duece compilation had/has quite a few if I recall correctly |
| 06:20.10 | Nechckn | google that... I know there were at least a few different options, with different sizes, et cetera |
| 06:20.42 | DARKGuy | Nechckn, you mean All Deuce UI (Ace2) ? |
| 06:21.00 | Nechckn | yep- do a google search for the main message board |
| 06:21.22 | DARKGuy | Nechckn, thanks :D |
| 06:21.25 | Nechckn | that may at least get you some links, etc |
| 06:21.33 | DARKGuy | Oki :) |
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| 06:24.16 | GFT | heh got it MentalPower |
| 06:24.17 | GFT | thanks |
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| 06:41.02 | GFT | wow MentalPower this is wierd |
| 06:41.10 | GFT | now all of a sudden it's returning 1-50 |
| 06:41.15 | GFT | and I didn't do anything |
| 06:41.21 | GFT | my offset was all screwed up |
| 06:41.46 | MentalPower | ok... |
| 06:41.55 | GFT | it wasnt doing it before |
| 06:42.15 | MentalPower | I don't have WoW turned on ATM so I can't check |
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| 06:45.32 | GFT | i might of changed something by accident |
| 06:45.33 | GFT | who knows |
| 06:45.35 | GFT | ok i am off |
| 06:45.36 | GFT | heh |
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| 08:44.03 | Nom- | holy crap |
| 08:44.11 | Nom- | They're moving the rolling restart time for Oceanic realms! |
| 08:44.18 | Nom- | 5:00am AEST |
| 08:44.21 | Nom- | When i'll be fast asleep! |
| 08:44.40 | Kalroth | zomg |
| 08:45.00 | Nom- | It's about bloody time! |
| 08:50.22 | MentalPower | Nom-: some have been saying it will cause people to shift to the oceanic realms when the other realms go down for maint |
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| 09:01.46 | Mikk | Does this mean that you 'merkin bastards can dev 24/7 ? |
| 09:03.36 | Mikk | Feck, I hope it's restart week here.... I'll be waking up around midnight >.< |
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| 09:06.38 | [Ammo] | hmm, seems wowi doubles images I upload |
| 09:06.50 | [Ammo] | I uploaded only one image and it shows 2 |
| 09:06.54 | [Ammo] | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8954-MoneyTrail.html |
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| 09:11.29 | MoonWork | [Ammo], Officialy requestion arkinventory support if it does not already work. |
| 09:15.04 | Mikk | erf... what are the wowi svn paths like? trying to check out a copy of WowLua and svn://svn.wowinterface.com/WowLua won't give me any loving =( |
| 09:16.02 | [Ammo] | Mikk: they're obfuscated |
| 09:16.09 | [Ammo] | MoonWork: I'll see if I can do that |
| 09:16.18 | [Ammo] | arkinventory code is a mess |
| 09:16.54 | Kalroth | Make AmmoInventory! |
| 09:17.04 | MoonWork | i know, the code is not the best, but i simply like the interface best out of all managed invetory things. |
| 09:17.15 | Mikk | yay obfuscated :S |
| 09:18.07 | foxlit | Can outline color be changed? |
| 09:18.27 | [Ammo] | Kalroth: Combuctor is the best there is for me |
| 09:18.53 | Nom- | MentalPower: I don't think so... they've only moved the rolling restart so far |
| 09:19.05 | Nom- | MentalPower: If they move the actual downtime too, then yes, I'd agree |
| 09:19.32 | Nom- | If they did do that however, it would be interesting... we could actually raid on Tuesday nights |
| 09:19.48 | Nom- | No more Tuesday night write-off ! |
| 09:20.57 | [Ammo] | damn |
| 09:20.58 | [Ammo] | I knew arkinventory was shit |
| 09:21.04 | [Ammo] | but this code just blows monkey balls |
| 09:21.07 | [Ammo] | its like herpes on speed |
| 09:21.37 | MoonWork | if it can't be done it can't be done. |
| 09:21.56 | [Ammo] | it can be done |
| 09:22.02 | [Ammo] | it's just digging through poo |
| 09:22.12 | [Ammo] | that guy can't code his way out of a wet paper bag |
| 09:22.15 | Nom- | Funnily enough, Blizzard turned that into a quest, [Ammo]! |
| 09:22.32 | MoonWork | [Ammo], yet for some reason arkinvetory works |
| 09:22.47 | MoonWork | i guess that if you aply enough bad code it will eventually work, somehow. |
| 09:23.34 | Nom- | Oh, my day job is proof that bad code can work |
| 09:23.44 | Nom- | I have to try and keep it running ... not an easy job |
| 09:24.04 | MoonWork | don't change anything, and it shouldn't break... any further. |
| 09:24.12 | Nom- | You'd be surprised :P |
| 09:24.21 | [Ammo] | MoonWork: could you do me a favor |
| 09:24.22 | Nom- | lern2racecondition |
| 09:24.28 | [Ammo] | and hover the money frame in arkinventory |
| 09:24.29 | MoonWork | [Ammo], i can always try |
| 09:24.38 | [Ammo] | and do: /dump GetMouseFocus():GetName() |
| 09:24.47 | [Ammo] | also hover inbetween the numbers and the gold / silver icons |
| 09:24.48 | [Ammo] | and do it |
| 09:24.51 | [Ammo] | and give me the frame names |
| 09:24.57 | [Ammo] | the code is so shit I can't figure it out myself |
| 09:25.02 | MoonWork | [Ammo], i'd love too, but i'm at work. |
| 09:25.17 | MoonWork | so you i will ping you later today |
| 09:25.20 | [Ammo] | hmmok |
| 09:25.28 | [Ammo] | I guess I could install it myself |
| 09:25.29 | [Ammo] | and pray |
| 09:25.35 | MoonWork | it won't break anything |
| 09:25.46 | MoonWork | from the outside it looks decent enough |
| 09:25.47 | [Ammo] | installed, testing :p |
| 09:25.52 | MoonWork | aside from the mem thing. |
| 09:26.11 | [Ammo] | the mem thing is probably due to the insane amount of code it uses for simple things |
| 09:27.19 | Mikk | Have good ideas instead! |
| 09:27.46 | Nom- | I wish Blizzard would make market data available for items on the AH like is available in Eve Online :( |
| 09:28.09 | Diskmaster | I mean, it's dumb since it's basically another bag manager type mod, but in a different style of presentation |
| 09:30.19 | MentalPower | Nom-: it would put auctioneer (in its current incarnation) out of business :) |
| 09:30.23 | MentalPower | anyways, gnight all |
| 09:30.50 | MoonWork | Diskmaster, presenation styles are the essence of bag addons |
| 09:30.54 | MoonWork | what did you think off ? |
| 09:31.22 | _rane | is it possible to create a macro that eats conjured manna biscuits outside arena and drinks star's tears if in arena? |
| 09:31.27 | Diskmaster | Basically a tabbed bag display that's "docked" to one side of the screen. |
| 09:32.01 | foxlit | _rane: aren't biscuits edible inside arena? |
| 09:32.21 | _rane | i don't play with a mage |
| 09:32.59 | foxlit | There's no "in arena" condition, iirc. |
| 09:33.13 | _rane | i just want to have same button for drinking in arena and in battlegtrunds |
| 09:33.22 | foxlit | So what you're looking for is "if I don't have any biscuits, eat something else" |
| 09:33.35 | foxlit | which is apparently intentionally blocked in macros |
| 09:33.39 | foxlit | You basically need an addon :) |
| 09:34.56 | MoonWork | Diskmaster, i'm not following, explain more. |
| 09:35.50 | Diskmaster | Uhhh... I'd basically use Firefox's tabs as an example, only apply it to the bag interface. |
| 09:36.41 | MoonWork | isn't that what baggins does ? |
| 09:36.49 | Diskmaster | ... I've never used Baggins |
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| 09:37.31 | [Ammo] | MoonWork: support added on svn |
| 09:37.37 | MoonWork | many thanks |
| 09:38.00 | MoonWork | i look forward to using. |
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| 10:27.22 | mikma | http://www.break.com/index/sex-toy-helicopter-interrupts-speech.html |
| 10:27.30 | mikma | apparently it was real |
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| 10:27.46 | Fisker- | OLD mikma |
| 10:28.36 | mikma | yes, i am. how about you? hit the 16 yet? |
| 10:28.51 | Fisker- | you wish |
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| 10:49.49 | mikma | http://www.break.com/index/little-kid-vs-tuba-player_1.html |
| 11:06.25 | Nom- | wow new site |
| 11:06.27 | Nom- | perdy |
| 11:07.27 | Nevins | Does anyone know of a API command that will return details about a spell if you put in the ID? |
| 11:07.41 | Nevins | I.E. Somefunction(5) |
| 11:08.03 | Nevins | Output: deaths touch; level requirement; ect |
| 11:11.01 | Cide | no, because there isn't one |
| 11:11.11 | Cide | best you can get is what the combat log does |
| 11:12.52 | Nevins | GetSpellInfo(spellID) by itself won't work then? |
| 11:13.16 | Nevins | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetSpellInfo |
| 11:13.30 | Drundia | it can get some details |
| 11:14.05 | Nevins | I guess my question is: |
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| 11:14.37 | Nevins | If I put in an random spell id between 1 - 30,000 |
| 11:14.43 | Nevins | It should return some data. |
| 11:15.02 | Cide | that's not a question |
| 11:15.08 | Drundia | You can use spell names, spell book ids or absolute ids |
| 11:15.13 | Nevins | Your right :P I'm tired. |
| 11:15.16 | Cide | you're* |
| 11:15.19 | Drundia | as arguments to GetSpellInfo |
| 11:15.25 | Cide | regardless, try it out? |
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| 11:16.19 | Nevins | So what would the proper syntax for usage be drundia? |
| 11:17.07 | Drundia | i think ("SpellName") or (spellbookid, "BOOKTYPE_SPELL"|"BOOKTYPE_PET") or (absoluteid) |
| 11:18.20 | clad|away | !api GetSpellInfo |
| 11:18.29 | clad|away | where is luabot |
| 11:18.31 | Nevins | Your bots not working. |
| 11:18.49 | clad|away | oh |
| 11:18.52 | Cide | bot's |
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| 11:18.55 | clad|away | the asshole in #wowace was spamming agaion |
| 11:18.58 | clad|away | !api GetSpellInfo |
| 11:19.13 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'GetSpellInfo' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetSpellInfo |
| 11:19.17 | Nevins | G-AM-M-er nazsi! |
| 11:19.44 | Cide | yep |
| 11:20.25 | Nevins | I is nao goin' to speaz lik diz! |
| 11:20.34 | Cide | no you aren't |
| 11:20.37 | Nevins | RARAR! |
| 11:21.01 | Nevins | I arer'ent? |
| 11:21.10 | Nevins | Okay I'll stop lol. |
| 11:21.25 | Nevins | I'm just really tired. It's 6:19 am for me. |
| 11:21.33 | Nevins | I have not been to sleep yet. |
| 11:22.55 | Drundia | by the way on that page add -2 for health power type |
| 11:23.31 | clad|away | Drundia: ? |
| 11:24.21 | cladhaire | Drundia: what do you mean? |
| 11:25.08 | Drundia | powerType - The type of power used to cast the spell (number) |
| 11:25.15 | Drundia | there is 0-3 for stuff |
| 11:25.24 | Drundia | -2 exists for health |
| 11:25.31 | cladhaire | oh, thanks |
| 11:25.38 | cladhaire | you can edit these pages yourself, but i'll do it |
| 11:25.41 | cladhaire | that's how we keep em up to date |
| 11:25.41 | Drundia | like Health Funnel and Bloodrage (or whatever it was called) |
| 11:25.46 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 11:25.47 | cladhaire | i understand now |
| 11:25.49 | Drundia | yes, i probably should register |
| 11:25.50 | cladhaire | you had me confused for a bit |
| 11:26.10 | cladhaire | done :P |
| 11:27.56 | Drundia | also there is a negative feature "The API Reference section of this website is copyright John Wiley & Sons" |
| 11:28.09 | cladhaire | please read the entire thing |
| 11:28.15 | cladhaire | not just an excerpt |
| 11:29.53 | Drundia | "All other content © 2008 wowprogramming.com."? |
| 11:30.41 | cladhaire | http://wowprogramming.com/about/terms_of_service |
| 11:31.05 | cladhaire | first off, something like argument order can't be copyright# |
| 11:31.10 | cladhaire | or basic argument information |
| 11:31.26 | cladhaire | second, the ToS clearly states why that is the case |
| 11:31.39 | cladhaire | and you don't give up any rights by posting information on the website |
| 11:31.45 | cladhaire | in the least |
| 11:32.40 | cladhaire | I'm more than willing to discuss any concerns you have |
| 11:35.14 | Nevins | Is it even possible to copyright blizzards already copywritten code? |
| 11:35.23 | Cide | no? |
| 11:35.30 | cladhaire | no, but why is that relevant? |
| 11:35.33 | cladhaire | we're not discussing that at all |
| 11:36.03 | Nevins | I thought that is what the copywrite was on the information in your webpage. |
| 11:36.14 | cladhaire | my webpage has no blizzard code? |
| 11:36.22 | cladhaire | so I don't understand |
| 11:36.39 | Nevins | The API is blizzards code. |
| 11:36.42 | cladhaire | no |
| 11:36.48 | Nevins | It's not? |
| 11:36.49 | cladhaire | that's not true |
| 11:36.49 | cladhaire | no |
| 11:36.53 | cladhaire | the implementation of teh API is Blizzard's Code |
| 11:37.16 | cladhaire | You can't copyright the list of arguments and returns to a set of functions |
| 11:37.46 | cladhaire | and that's all that the "API" is in this case |
| 11:38.04 | cladhaire | Drundia: I'd love a response when you get a chance :P |
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| 11:38.19 | Drundia | Let me try to understand it again. So we explicitly grant permission to publish added content in future editions of book and other than that it's under some unknown non-copyleft license |
| 11:38.43 | cladhaire | you are the copyright holder |
| 11:38.47 | cladhaire | you decide what "license" its under |
| 11:39.04 | cladhaire | by posting, you grant us the ability to use the material in an updated version of the book |
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| 11:39.19 | cladhaire | other than that, you hold and decide everything |
| 11:39.22 | cladhaire | its pretty straightforward |
| 11:39.30 | Nevins | Thats pretty standard stuff anyways, if you post to a fourms it pretty much has the same call. |
| 11:41.06 | Fisker- | cladhaire you're not the boss of me! |
| 11:41.06 | cladhaire | :P |
| 11:41.21 | cladhaire | i'd love to see the case law that comes and ar esult of it, honestly |
| 11:41.24 | cladhaire | but its not been tested. |
| 11:43.37 | cladhaire | Drundia: here's the most telling line of the ToS "warrant and represent that you own or otherwise control all of the rights to your additions and modifications" |
| 11:44.07 | cladhaire | other than letting us use it, you have full control over it. |
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| 11:52.09 | MoonWork | if a case over api copyright ever made it to the courts there would be a lot of politics and very little justice. |
| 11:52.50 | cladhaire | i think fair use pretty much destroys any hope of copyrighting an API.. if we consider the API to be the name of functions and the interface they provide. |
| 11:53.48 | MoonWork | i agree, but i find that the people who write and interpret laws often don't agree with me. |
| 11:54.13 | Drundia | Suggest me some nice Windows IRC client that unlike latest mIRC won't crash WOW in AV. |
| 11:54.19 | MoonWork | xchat |
| 11:54.25 | cladhaire | Drundia: xchat, irssi |
| 11:54.28 | cladhaire | mibbit :P |
| 11:54.32 | Cide | xchat ftw |
| 11:54.50 | Gnarfoz | irssi + irssi/proxy + xchat <3 |
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| 11:55.38 | Snago | KVIrc |
| 11:56.06 | batrick | man |
| 11:56.13 | batrick | I get so much fucking msn messenger spam now |
| 11:57.56 | Shirik | oh yay, we moved up to #3 all (#1 horde, but we've been that for a while) for our realm on wowjutsu |
| 11:58.21 | batrick | grats |
| 11:59.17 | batrick | cleaning up unfamiliar code is so taxing |
| 11:59.36 | Shirik | and wowjutsu is finally willing to agree that I've done BT/MH also :P |
| 11:59.37 | Shirik | lol |
| 11:59.45 | MoonWork | its like a very frustrating puzzle |
| 11:59.55 | batrick | ^ |
| 12:00.00 | Shirik | it still says I haven't done gruul's, SSC, or TK though -_- |
| 12:00.11 | Shirik | batrick, at least it's not assembly! |
| 12:00.25 | batrick | dude, I'm turning C++ code to Lua C code |
| 12:00.29 | batrick | Im rdy to die |
| 12:00.37 | Shirik | We changed MCUs on a project that I'm working on, and I have to convert over all the code to the new chip. Same instruction set is ok, but the memory map all changed |
| 12:00.43 | Shirik | so bank selection is wrong all over the place |
| 12:00.57 | Shirik | oh, haha C++ |
| 12:01.03 | batrick | ya... that's why the first thing you do is make it so you can compile C |
| 12:01.03 | Shirik | don't convert it to C! |
| 12:01.06 | Shirik | You're making it evil |
| 12:01.08 | batrick | and use asm() |
| 12:01.11 | Shirik | hell no |
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| 12:01.38 | batrick | Shirik: when I'm done nmap's scripting engine will be fucking amazing |
| 12:01.48 | Shirik | If I used C |
| 12:01.53 | Shirik | I'm scared of what the compiler would produce |
| 12:01.59 | batrick | o come now |
| 12:02.06 | Shirik | it's RISC, there's 32 instructions and a lot of stuff a compiler can't assume |
| 12:02.06 | batrick | man up! |
| 12:02.21 | batrick | eww |
| 12:03.00 | Shirik | ok gotta run |
| 12:03.02 | Shirik | pz |
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| 12:03.30 | Fisker- | oooh |
| 12:03.32 | Fisker- | bah |
| 12:03.35 | Fisker- | shirik quitted again |
| 12:03.38 | batrick | srsly |
| 12:07.33 | dezzi | MoonWork: did they change xchat to work on windows without a mandatory donation now? |
| 12:07.48 | MoonWork | there is the silverex build |
| 12:08.01 | foxlit | Could I get someone to verify something? |
| 12:08.03 | MoonWork | http://www.silverex.org/news/ |
| 12:08.04 | foxlit | I think 2.4.2 broke /gmotd |
| 12:08.16 | dezzi | I remember using it back around 2002 when it was free on windows |
| 12:08.18 | MoonWork | though its a bit out dated. |
| 12:08.20 | foxlit | In the sense that in prior matches, /gmotd without a string used to display the current MOTD |
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| 12:08.24 | foxlit | Now it doesn't. |
| 12:08.33 | foxlit | Also, the guild UI doesn't display the guild MOTD after a reload. |
| 12:08.37 | MoonWork | foxlit, weird. |
| 12:08.41 | dezzi | and I have to use windows again now so I went to get xchat because nagware is annoying |
| 12:08.51 | Kalroth | foxlit: what did you break now?! |
| 12:09.08 | foxlit | I'm not sure if I'm doing anything |
| 12:09.11 | foxlit | While in a guild, type /gmotd |
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| 12:09.32 | foxlit | If you don't get a "Guild Message of the Day: blah blah blah" message in chat, it's probably broken |
| 12:11.51 | Gnarfoz | doing /gmotd when you don't have privs to change it gives you either an error that you don't have the privileges or just does nothing |
| 12:12.17 | foxlit | That behavior was changed in 2.4.2, then |
| 12:12.36 | foxlit | [and, frankly, I want the old one back!] :) |
| 12:12.50 | Gnarfoz | obviously, I see that as a bug, too ^^ |
| 12:13.01 | foxlit | Well, it's two parts |
| 12:13.05 | foxlit | 1. FriendsFrame sucks |
| 12:13.10 | foxlit | 2. slash handler changed |
| 12:14.39 | foxlit | or not |
| 12:15.44 | foxlit | probably GuildSetMOTD(nil) not firing the related events any more |
| 12:16.07 | MoonWork | bleh the friends interface is one of those things that really needs changing, friends inteface, guild interface and merchant interface. |
| 12:16.10 | MoonWork | in no specific order |
| 12:16.13 | MoonWork | need to be redone. |
| 12:16.20 | foxlit | Why? It generally works :) |
| 12:16.37 | MoonWork | but they could be so much better |
| 12:16.44 | foxlit | In this case, they need to move |
| 12:16.44 | foxlit | CURRENT_GUILD_MOTD = GetGuildRosterMOTD(); |
| 12:16.54 | foxlit | to PLAYER_LOGIN, since it's not available at OnLoad |
| 12:16.58 | Drundia | there is also evil raid ui |
| 12:17.06 | foxlit | Which also works! |
| 12:17.15 | Drundia | not always |
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| 12:17.30 | foxlit | really? |
| 12:17.40 | Drundia | some chat filter subpages also often look blank, like global channel list |
| 12:18.05 | Drundia | raid tab often has something missing after reloads |
| 12:18.28 | foxlit | I haven't experienced any issues with the raid tab :( |
| 12:18.29 | Drundia | i'm not even talking about raid pullouts that have unclickable buttons so often |
| 12:19.26 | Drundia | you are lucky :) |
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| 12:19.42 | foxlit | I probably just don't use whatever taint-inducing addon you use :) |
| 12:21.04 | Drundia | it's not really tainted, it's just that background is above individual unit buttons and captures all clicks |
| 12:22.19 | Drundia | as for taint some of it was fixed by adding some securecall()s, but apparently more of them is needed or entire new taint model to have blizzard code less vulnerable to it |
| 12:23.12 | batrick | anyone know if in C++ if you set a function's local variable to some other global variable of the same type, if a copy of the object is made? |
| 12:24.04 | Drundia | batrick, it should make copy |
| 12:24.37 | alestane | if the global variable is of type struct or object, and you just make a straight assignment of the form objectType localVar = globalVar, it should copy. |
| 12:26.31 | batrick | it's a class |
| 12:26.51 | batrick | specifically: "std::vector<std::string> a = someobjectofsametype" |
| 12:27.50 | alestane | I think it's going to be a bitwise copy, at least of the first element...but it also depends on whether or not the std::vector class overrides operator=. |
| 12:28.03 | Drundia | it should call copy constructor |
| 12:30.38 | foxlit | Okay, evil question time |
| 12:30.43 | foxlit | What actually handles calling commands form SlashCmdList? |
| 12:31.10 | Drundia | ChatEdit_ParseText or something like that |
| 12:31.56 | batrick | thanks everyone, I'll just avoid doing that (was trying to avoid using a really long var name) |
| 12:33.03 | Drundia | batrick, i think there was something like "objectType localVar& = globalVar" to create a reference to other variable, i think it worked as good as #define |
| 12:33.19 | batrick | eh, it's too much trouble |
| 12:33.21 | Drundia | or was that & before localVar |
| 12:33.39 | Drundia | yes, i think it was before |
| 12:33.42 | foxlit | SlashCmdList["GUILD_MOTD"] = function(msg) GuildSetMOTD(msg) end |
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| 12:33.56 | foxlit | I think that gets called with a nil argument when you type "/gmotd" |
| 12:34.08 | cladhaire | msg is "" in that case |
| 12:34.10 | cladhaire | afaik |
| 12:34.49 | foxlit | growl, hasing |
| 12:34.51 | [Ammo] | I thought /gmotd used to show the gmotd in the chatframe if you didn't pass arguments |
| 12:34.55 | [Ammo] | but that might have been some time ago |
| 12:35.25 | foxlit | Last patch |
| 12:35.29 | foxlit | I'm writing up a small bug report |
| 12:37.07 | foxlit | Unfortunately, that makes little sense :( |
| 12:37.24 | foxlit | Suppose you type /gmotd |
| 12:37.41 | [Ammo] | it currently clears the gmotd |
| 12:38.16 | foxlit | Which is oh so awesome :( |
| 12:38.19 | Cide | what |
| 12:38.21 | Cide | that's retarded |
| 12:38.24 | [Ammo] | yeah |
| 12:38.27 | [Ammo] | it was changed |
| 12:38.30 | [Ammo] | I noticed a couple of times |
| 12:38.34 | foxlit | When, though |
| 12:38.39 | [Ammo] | I think 2.1 |
| 12:38.44 | foxlit | I can't see anything through wowcompares.com - the handler is in ChatFrame.lua |
| 12:39.16 | foxlit | I think I've used /gmotd to view it as recently as 2.3.x |
| 12:39.39 | foxlit | For what it's worth, 2.1 has the same GuildSetMOTD(msg) handler |
| 12:40.22 | [Ammo] | hmm |
| 12:40.30 | [Ammo] | it used to work |
| 12:40.37 | [Ammo] | I just can't remember when it was changed |
| 12:41.11 | Cide | GuildSetMOTD was changed then? |
| 12:41.19 | foxlit | Cide: unlikely |
| 12:41.25 | foxlit | You still have to be able to clear the thing |
| 12:41.33 | foxlit | so GuildSetMOTD("") is a valid use of the function |
| 12:41.47 | foxlit | And since the slash handler always gets "" as an empty message string :/ |
| 12:42.01 | Cide | ya, but maybe GuildSetMOTD(nil) printed it previously |
| 12:42.11 | foxlit | There is no way it could get nil, though |
| 12:42.16 | Cide | you sure? |
| 12:42.24 | foxlit | yes |
| 12:42.34 | foxlit | Well, relatively |
| 12:42.39 | foxlit | ChatFrame.lua is obscenely long |
| 12:42.54 | foxlit | But the relevant bit is |
| 12:43.01 | foxlit | local command = strmatch(text, "^(/[^%s]+)") or ""; local msg = ""; |
| 12:43.05 | Drundia | GuildSetMOTD(nil) results in an error |
| 12:43.12 | foxlit | if ( command ~= text ) then msg = strsub(text, strlen(command) + 2); end |
| 12:43.59 | foxlit | So I don't think msg could be nil to a slash command handler, and there seem to be no changes to the handler itself through 2.x releases. |
| 12:46.25 | foxlit | mysterious |
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| 12:50.35 | Lunessa | ... station |
| 12:51.49 | foxlit | train ... |
| 12:51.55 | Drundia | Lunessa, is it your "hi"? |
| 12:52.59 | Lunessa | ... Yes. It is a movie reference too. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0101452/ |
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| 13:13.50 | Maldivia | *smirk* |
| 13:14.47 | Maldivia | hehe... got bored last night, so I made a barber pole progress bar - can't help to smirk when I see it now :) |
| 13:15.30 | Lunessa | That's like saying, I got bored last night, so I painted the left half of my face red before driving to work... |
| 13:16.21 | Lunessa | I'm kidding of course about the paint thing... |
| 13:16.27 | Maldivia | Lunessa: if it had been blue, you would have to change your name to Braveheart |
| 13:17.16 | Lunessa | They may take my AddOns... but they will never take my FREEDOM! |
| 13:17.47 | Maldivia | it's annoying mesmerizing to look at such a spinning barber pole |
| 13:18.09 | Lopeppeppy | Crazy, crazy person. |
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| 13:19.13 | Lunessa | So, we should send someone to check on you from time to time to make sure you haven't fallen into a hypnotic trance? |
| 13:19.27 | Maldivia | hypnotoad..... |
| 13:19.42 | Lunessa | Don't lick it. |
| 13:19.46 | Lopeppeppy | Do not lick the toads. |
| 13:20.04 | Diskmaster | ALL HAIL THE HYPNOTOAD |
| 13:20.20 | Lopeppeppy | No licking the toads! I'm going to call PITA! |
| 13:21.11 | Lunessa | Beware the Rip-Toad. |
| 13:22.03 | Maldivia | ok... this is bad... looking at it, somehow got me thinking of (and singing) Justin Timberlake's what goes around |
| 13:22.59 | Lopeppeppy | Maldivia, we TOLD you not to lick the toad. Hello! :P |
| 13:24.36 | Lunessa | Justin Timberlake is convincing proof that Satan is hard at work... |
| 13:24.36 | Maldivia | since when have I done what people told me to do? |
| 13:25.24 | Lopeppeppy | This was for your own good! I mean... Justin Timberlake?? |
| 13:26.14 | Lunessa | I told you he scares me. |
| 13:28.10 | Lunessa | So, I finally broke up the Primal Mooncloth set on my priest last night. 100 Badges of Justice = NICE new robe. Add that to getting the healing mace of the Maiden of Virtue = happy healer. |
| 13:28.52 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet, Lunessa! |
| 13:29.12 | Lopeppeppy | I could not get that mace to drop for.... 7 months of running. It maded me cry |
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| 13:32.08 | Lopeppeppy | Ouch, but so true. http://xkcd.com/425/ |
| 13:32.25 | Lunessa | I managed to finally drag some people kicking and screaming to Kara. Including three people who have never been. It was a nice bonus to have the healing mace drop. |
| 13:32.40 | Lopeppeppy | New blood is always good. *hug* |
| 13:34.31 | Lunessa | Heh, like the rogue who came in dead last on DPS - behind the paladin tank and one of the healers? *cry* |
| 13:36.27 | MoonWork | last ? |
| 13:36.31 | MoonWork | what did he do? NOTHING ? |
| 13:36.40 | MoonWork | its a rogue, he can get more dps then a tank with WHITE HITS. |
| 13:36.45 | Lopeppeppy | Paladin tanks in Kara can really crank it out if they try. |
| 13:36.55 | Lopeppeppy | Undead + aoe = heaven. :) |
| 13:36.58 | MoonWork | doing nothing else, no rotations, no cooldowns, no trinkets no slice and dice |
| 13:37.20 | Lunessa | He's the only pre-kara rogue I know with nearly 10K health... tell you something about how he geared? |
| 13:37.27 | Lopeppeppy | But behind the healer... yeah, bad. |
| 13:37.30 | Elkano | I happend to outrun a hunter and a mage in kara, although I was MT :/ |
| 13:37.43 | Elkano | or was it a wl? :/ |
| 13:37.55 | MoonWork | rogues are not allowed to be last |
| 13:38.02 | Lunessa | The healer in question being me, and I was doing damage only in long boss fights. |
| 13:38.08 | Lunessa | It made me cry. |
| 13:38.26 | Lopeppeppy | ~comfort Lunessa |
| 13:38.27 | purl | There, there, Lunessa. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 13:38.43 | Lunessa | So I have to pull him aside and tell him... "you suck, a lot. Here's why." I hate those conversations. |
| 13:38.59 | Lopeppeppy | *hug* |
| 13:39.25 | Lopeppeppy | "I'm not having any issue healing you in a PvE situation, so I think you should build your PvE set a bit more toward sustained DPS." |
| 13:39.55 | Lunessa | I think he spends too much time soloing and worrying about how much damage he takes. |
| 13:42.03 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, he sounds like survivability is his focus, and if he's got you, he can relax and do some actual damages! |
| 13:43.23 | Lunessa | *chuckle* The healer is so NOT my focus any more. |
| 13:43.40 | Lopeppeppy | I know, but if you're a good healer once, you're a good healer alla times. |
| 13:43.51 | Kalroth | uh oh |
| 13:44.04 | Kalroth | All healers suck! |
| 13:44.16 | Lopeppeppy | Must be why you die so much, huh? I'm sure. |
| 13:44.29 | Kalroth | Indeed, it's really weird |
| 13:44.40 | Kalroth | I keep telling them that they suck, but I still die all the time |
| 13:45.10 | Lunessa | Kalroth: I bet once you started pointing out how much they suck, the evidence of their sucking mounted? |
| 13:45.51 | Kalroth | Yes, exactly! |
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| 13:46.03 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, yes, I'm sure it did. |
| 13:46.46 | Lunessa | Be sure to keep pointing out then, louder, and with more cursing if needed. Keep up that campaign, you'll see improvements in those fuckers yet. |
| 13:47.33 | Lopeppeppy | Lazy bastiches. *giggle* |
| 13:50.26 | foxlit | You're a balance druid who pulled aggro on Illidan. Your options are: |
| 13:50.42 | foxlit | (a) Blame the tanks. Wth, you're a support class and they can't match your threat? |
| 13:50.57 | foxlit | (b) Blame the healers. You've got plate-like armor and they can't keep you up for more than 2 seconds?! |
| 13:51.19 | Lopeppeppy | B) Blame the healers. If they were healing harder, they would have pulled healing aggro and died instead of you. |
| 13:51.28 | foxlit | (c) Blame the paladins. They all rolled the wrong class. Also, why does the tank have BoS and not you? |
| 13:51.46 | foxlit | (d) Blame the shamans. WHO POPS HEROISM 2s AFTER DEMON PHASE? |
| 13:51.57 | Lopeppeppy | Meep on the chicken not having salv, and the tank having it. |
| 13:52.15 | Kalroth | d for sure |
| 13:52.46 | foxlit | (e) Blame blizzard. Why is Subtlety so far down the wrong tree? |
| 13:52.57 | Lopeppeppy | I BoP'd my tank the other night, he was wicked peeved at me. |
| 13:53.04 | Kalroth | You meanie |
| 13:53.09 | foxlit | (f) Blame Blizzard. Why is it I can't make a viable spec without Intensity? |
| 13:53.36 | Kalroth | (g) Blame the raid leader for actually giving me a raid spot. |
| 13:53.49 | foxlit | (g) is disqualified, can't blame yourself. |
| 13:54.27 | Elkano | I remember that paladin back in the 5man instance, that sacrificed himself for safing me as feral tank the moment the mage had died... not that we would have beaten the boss without that mage... not that I was still standing right in front of the boss... :/ |
| 13:54.54 | foxlit | DI on those sunwell packs-of-five |
| 13:55.10 | alestane | Okay, as a rogue I find mana wraiths annoying. Are they looking toward you or away from you? |
| 13:55.14 | foxlit | It's death, 3 minutes later :( |
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| 13:55.36 | foxlit | they have hands |
| 13:55.41 | foxlit | Are they swinging at you or away from you? |
| 13:55.43 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, slice and dice. *nod* |
| 13:56.52 | alestane | foxlit: when they haven't seen you yet because you're still in stealth, and you're trying to ambush them, it becomes a more significant question. |
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| 13:58.14 | Lopeppeppy | Their hands are very hard to make out, alestane. I hate ghosties. |
| 14:02.43 | alestane | Where did my rogue get all these super mana potions? |
| 14:02.55 | Lopeppeppy | Ring of Blood? |
| 14:03.01 | alestane | No... |
| 14:03.09 | Lopeppeppy | Lootski? |
| 14:03.17 | alestane | I guess... |
| 14:04.28 | Kalroth | hot |
| 14:04.44 | Lopeppeppy | Some healer will love you when you fork them over. |
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| 14:06.33 | alestane | I will probably ship them off to my healer, once I get one more and make a stack. |
| 14:07.26 | Lunessa | mmmm.. Super Mana Potions. I'm afraid of what they'll have to call them in WotLK - Mega Mana Potions? |
| 14:07.27 | Lopeppeppy | pick pocketing always got me a lot of them as a rogue |
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| 14:11.31 | alestane | I get plenty of healing potions picking pockets...but since that's treasure that only rogues can get, I think they avoid having mana potions on the list. |
| 14:11.38 | Maldivia | Lunessa: I could tell you, but then I would have to shoot you! |
| 14:12.20 | Lunessa | Oooo! Classified information = Getting Shot! Mmmm... |
| 14:18.24 | Drundia | Lopeppeppy, imo Super Mana Potion XL |
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| 14:18.52 | Lopeppeppy | *snark* |
| 14:18.55 | Lopeppeppy | Did not need that image. |
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| 14:19.36 | alestane | Jumbo Gulp Mana Potion, only 79 cents? |
| 14:19.54 | Lopeppeppy | 13 custom flavors? |
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| 14:21.19 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Seerah |
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| 14:26.44 | Kazie | How do i join #wowace? .. it's got +r mode .. :o |
| 14:27.27 | p3lim | register |
| 14:27.53 | Lunessa | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6440791719&sid=1 - zoot is a hoot! |
| 14:28.05 | Lopeppeppy | Zoot is awesomesauce, yup. |
| 14:29.55 | Drundia | that ui ftw. best i saw. is it some ace + everything else? |
| 14:30.48 | Lopeppeppy | Looks highly custom to me, Zoot's an awesome programmer |
| 14:32.05 | Lunessa | Totally custom. It's tight. |
| 14:32.13 | Intangir | lol |
| 14:32.15 | Intangir | what are you talking about |
| 14:32.17 | Intangir | you newbs |
| 14:32.21 | Intangir | i went and pulled it up |
| 14:33.32 | Intangir | oh sweet that diablo2 one is totally neat |
| 14:34.00 | Intangir | do yall know of an addon the group/hide the minimap ring icons? i found one called buttonhole which is sorta neat but it misses half of them for some reason |
| 14:34.09 | Intangir | i also used to use minibuttonbag but its broke now .. |
| 14:34.19 | Lopeppeppy | It works fine from files.wowace.com. |
| 14:34.41 | Intangir | which one? |
| 14:35.03 | Lopeppeppy | MBB |
| 14:35.07 | Kazie | p3lim: How do i register with the channel? |
| 14:35.23 | wereHamster | not the channel, your nick |
| 14:35.30 | Lopeppeppy | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:35.46 | p3lim | yup |
| 14:36.19 | Kazie | Okay thx. |
| 14:36.32 | digmouse | uh, how can I register/identify myself automatically on login? I dont know how to write those IRC scripts |
| 14:37.13 | Seerah | morning, peppy :) |
| 14:37.14 | Gnarfoz | that's the purpose of identifying, you have to do it each time |
| 14:37.17 | Lunessa | alestane: Did you release your new version of Goose? |
| 14:37.25 | Seerah | digmouse: I use Pidgin and it does it for me |
| 14:37.30 | Gnarfoz | if you want to automate it, you'll have to make your irc client do it for you |
| 14:37.52 | alestane | Not yet Lunessa. I was taking a look at the architecture while I was in there and thinking some of it is very messy. |
| 14:37.53 | digmouse | Seerah: currently using mIRC, sometimes Chatzilla for Firefox |
| 14:38.06 | alestane | I could send you a copy though, if you'd like to try it out. |
| 14:38.15 | Lunessa | *chuckle* You're as bad as I am. Yes. I'd love it. |
| 14:38.42 | Seerah | I never figured out how to do it with ChatZilla |
| 14:39.25 | Lunessa | I really should get a better IRC client than ChatZilla. |
| 14:39.58 | wereHamster | get a cheap server and install irssi or an irc bouncer :) |
| 14:41.13 | mikma | http://www.foxnews.com/images/371175/0_21_051908_boat.jpg |
| 14:41.49 | Lopeppeppy | I use Trillian, the directions for how to write the scripts are right on the script page. |
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| 14:42.16 | Hirsute | What is it you don't like about it, Lunessa |
| 14:43.15 | Seerah | ChatZilla has a scripts section, I just never figured it out >< |
| 14:43.29 | Lunessa | I like it, it's just missing a single feature I want badly - auto-login. |
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| 14:43.54 | Hirsute | I auto login with it... unless you're talking about something else. |
| 14:43.59 | [Ammo] | any wowi person here that can fix bugs? |
| 14:44.07 | Hirsute | Do you mean automatically logging in with the NickServe? |
| 14:44.52 | [Ammo] | if you make a new project (using firefox at least), click manage images, upload 1 image, click close window, and continue the whole process, the same image is twice in the project |
| 14:45.32 | Seerah | normally, or with the svn, [Ammo]? |
| 14:45.35 | [Ammo] | normally |
| 14:45.37 | [Ammo] | I don't use the svn |
| 14:45.57 | Seerah | huh... It wasn't doing that a while ago... Would be an issue for Dolby, though |
| 14:46.07 | [Ammo] | it's doing it since a week or 2 |
| 14:46.08 | [Ammo] | I think |
| 14:46.16 | [Ammo] | noticed it on last 2 addons I added at least |
| 14:46.30 | Lunessa | Hirsute: Yes, that's what I mean. :) |
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| 14:46.53 | Seerah | thanks, ammo, I'll make sure he sees it |
| 14:47.02 | [Ammo] | okiedokie :) |
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| 14:47.07 | [Ammo] | I had to manually remove a double image |
| 14:47.07 | [Ammo] | :) |
| 14:47.10 | GFT | ok question.. trying to use http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetNumAuctionItems |
| 14:47.11 | [Ammo] | which works fine |
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| 14:47.20 | GFT | but i am getting 0 |
| 14:47.31 | GFT | DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(select(2, GetNumAuctionItems("owner"))); |
| 14:47.33 | Hirsute | Lunessa: Go to ChatZilla->Preferences->Network Name->Lists tab->Autoperform, add a command along the lines of "ns identify <password>" |
| 14:47.34 | GFT | and I have 10 auctions up |
| 14:47.55 | Lunessa | Ahhh... thanks! |
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| 14:48.52 | Hirsute | np |
| 14:48.58 | Hirsute | Took me a while to figure it out too. |
| 14:49.08 | Kaso | GFT are you at the auction house window? |
| 14:49.14 | GFT | yes |
| 14:49.22 | GFT | it's an onload when AH opens |
| 14:49.54 | Seerah | morning Kaelten |
| 14:50.04 | Kaso | Im not sure then |
| 14:50.12 | GFT | could be a bad API? |
| 14:50.27 | Kaso | i doubt it |
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| 14:50.48 | Kaso | check the framexml for the auction house addon, see how that function is used in their code |
| 14:51.25 | GFT | wierd.. |
| 14:51.39 | GFT | if I do the script after the auction window opens |
| 14:51.51 | GFT | it returns fine.. |
| 14:52.02 | GFT | so it must be a lag time for it displaying auctions |
| 14:52.17 | Hirsute | GFT: I've had a number of issues working with the AH using it's OnLoad. I've had to make a child frame of the AH window, and run things on it's OnUpdate |
| 14:52.56 | Hirsute | Gives enough of a delay to get past whatever lag was going on. |
| 14:53.25 | Hirsute | My function runs on the child frame's OnUpdate, then hides the child frame so it will only run once |
| 14:53.25 | GFT | wish there was a way to lag it ever so slightly in the code haha |
| 14:54.11 | Nechckn | not to mention, with Blizz's recent changes the posters' names take even longer to download to the local client |
| 14:54.23 | Hirsute | Well, I say "my" but I had a lot of help writing it, the problem had me really nuts for a while. |
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| 15:03.44 | GFT | anyone use SciTE ? |
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| 15:07.53 | Kaso | GFT yes i do |
| 15:08.00 | GFT | is there an auto-indent feature? |
| 15:11.28 | Kaso | im not sure, theres the "fix indentation" on alt-shift-i |
| 15:16.16 | cog|work | GFT: it will keep whatever indent you do |
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| 15:16.26 | cog|work | it doesn't automatically indent when you make a new line though |
| 15:19.25 | Fisker- | shh cog|work |
| 15:19.27 | Fisker- | i skinned you |
| 15:19.27 | GFT | ok another question about the API.. |
| 15:20.17 | GFT | i am getting a lot of values with money returned to me in copper, so 5g1s5c is like 50105 |
| 15:20.32 | GFT | is there a way to convert that built in? or am I going to have to write a function for it? |
| 15:21.10 | Snago | it's basic math, not really any need for a funciton imho |
| 15:21.36 | _rane | any competent programmer would write a function for that |
| 15:23.17 | GFT | well i know I could write a function for it.. just didn't know if they already had a way to save loading times :P |
| 15:23.29 | GFT | more you can minimize the code, the faster it loads |
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| 15:23.43 | GFT | just a habbit of mine working with other scripts |
| 15:24.11 | Kaso | that function will be so small that any time saved by having a centeralised function would be undetectabel |
| 15:24.37 | Josh_Borke | Kaso: you just gotta use a better microscope to find it! |
| 15:30.08 | p3lim | wtb proper DruidMana plugin for oUF :/ |
| 15:31.32 | Hirsute | DruidLlama ftw |
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| 15:34.07 | alestane | "Bigmoo's Gooey Spit crits you for 395 nature damage." |
| 15:36.54 | Hirsute | Shifting to camel form increases your mana pool by 20x, but you can only cast insect swarm and Gooey Spit. |
| 15:37.46 | Hirsute | or, rather, llama form |
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| 15:49.51 | GFT | woo.. got a mod now that adds up the total amount of money of auctions on my seller screen |
| 15:49.52 | GFT | heh |
| 15:50.13 | Hirsute | Nice |
| 15:50.52 | GFT | just need to figure out how to do slash commands *goes to look up* |
| 15:52.47 | Seerah | iirc, there's a how-to on wowwiki, GFT |
| 15:52.56 | GFT | yeah looking at it now |
| 15:53.11 | GFT | ok so question.. by having a thing like _OnLoad after my function, that's a preset thing in lua.. |
| 15:53.29 | GFT | so myAddon_OnLoad isn't something I have to call |
| 15:53.41 | Seerah | anything in that function, will be run when your addon loads into the game |
| 15:53.49 | GFT | ok thanks |
| 15:53.52 | Hirsute | Correct, that event fires when your addon loads |
| 15:55.29 | GFT | SLASH_ADDONNAME1 = "/easyauction"; <<-- the "/easyauction" isn't case sensative is it? |
| 15:56.00 | Snago | Wait, what? Just by naming a function Foo_OnLoad() it will get run on startup? :S |
| 15:56.04 | zenzelezz | unless I missed a change at some point, your function won't be called automatically, you need to call it from the <OnLoad> event |
| 15:56.21 | Kaso | off the top of my head no, but try it an see, try using /SaY whatever in game |
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| 15:57.24 | Seerah | I think sometimes they're case-sensitive.... perhaps it's when the slash command is localized |
| 15:57.42 | Seerah | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:58.17 | Kaso | dont you mean /SHRUG ? |
| 15:58.21 | Kaso | har har |
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| 15:59.16 | GFT | hrm |
| 15:59.17 | GFT | not working |
| 15:59.23 | GFT | the command I mean |
| 15:59.37 | Kaso | show us how you use it |
| 15:59.44 | Kaso | oh wait what? |
| 15:59.56 | Kaso | or do you mean case-senstivity of slash commands? |
| 16:00.56 | GFT | http://pastebin.com/m5ee4aaa1 |
| 16:01.06 | GFT | no i mean.. it's saying there isn't a command |
| 16:01.47 | Kaso | is the function EasyAuctionSum defined before that code is ? |
| 16:02.05 | GFT | no it's defined after that onLoad function |
| 16:02.12 | GFT | do i need to put the slashes at the end of the lua? |
| 16:02.55 | Kaso | for that code to work you need to swap the order of the code around |
| 16:03.03 | GFT | i just tried it |
| 16:03.03 | Kaso | so EasyAuctionSum is defined first |
| 16:03.10 | GFT | now EasyAuctionSum is first |
| 16:03.12 | GFT | but still nothing |
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| 16:04.12 | Snago | Is the EasyAuctionBuyout_OnLoad() running at all? |
| 16:04.24 | GFT | yes |
| 16:04.32 | GFT | ok here is the thing that might be messing up |
| 16:04.39 | GFT | EasyAuctionBuyout is the main addon name |
| 16:04.51 | GFT | i have 2 lua files in here that do two different things |
| 16:05.01 | GFT | one is EasyBuyout |
| 16:05.04 | GFT | the other is EasyAuctionSum |
| 16:05.15 | Snago | Filenames don't matter |
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| 16:05.17 | GFT | EasyBuyout is the main addon overall |
| 16:05.18 | cog|work | the names of the files are menaningless |
| 16:05.26 | GFT | k |
| 16:05.27 | cog|work | so is spelling |
| 16:05.29 | cog|work | apparently |
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| 16:05.40 | Snago | As long as your toc is named as your folder and reference the other files properly |
| 16:05.45 | GFT | yeah it is.. |
| 16:05.46 | GFT | hrm |
| 16:05.52 | cog|work | as long as you put them in your ToC |
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| 16:06.42 | Seerah | do you get any errors? |
| 16:06.46 | Snago | You have an xml with a frame with an OnLoad-tag? |
| 16:07.00 | Seerah | (do you have errors turned off in Interface Options?) |
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| 16:07.06 | GFT | no errors, it's just saying the "Type "/help" for a listing of commands" |
| 16:07.12 | GFT | they are on |
| 16:07.17 | Seerah | post your whole code |
| 16:07.28 | Snago | My guess is still that EasyAuctionBuyout_OnLoad() isn't running at all |
| 16:07.45 | GFT | http://pastebin.com/m5991d1e4 |
| 16:07.49 | Seerah | you don't need xml for it to run, though |
| 16:08.03 | Seerah | unless I'm wrong, that is ;) |
| 16:08.14 | GFT | does it have to be in an onload function? or can I just put it in the general body to have it load? |
| 16:08.41 | cog|work | no it doesn't need OnLoad |
| 16:08.42 | Kaso | it does not need to be in an onload |
| 16:08.50 | GFT | kk let me check |
| 16:09.04 | Seerah | just a hunch, but put your OnLoad at the top, and move your chat frame message into that block as well |
| 16:09.07 | GFT | wait hold on |
| 16:09.15 | Snago | I've never seen anything about Foo_OnLoad() getting called automaticly without an xml frame without a OnLoad-tag |
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| 16:09.30 | Kaso | there is nothing like this ^ its completely wrong |
| 16:09.40 | GFT | someone told me there was >..< |
| 16:09.41 | GFT | haha |
| 16:09.44 | Hirsute | Snago: You can creat a frame via lua and register it for hte OnLoad event and have it work. |
| 16:10.11 | GFT | but simply having _OnLoad on the end of it does not make it automatically load by itself |
| 16:10.13 | Seerah | yeah, do you have your frame and global (EasyAuctionSum)defined in the other file? |
| 16:10.14 | GFT | iw as beginning to say.. |
| 16:10.18 | Kaso | lua created frames dont have an onload script either, well they do, but it executes before you can assign anything to it |
| 16:10.39 | Snago | Hirsute: what kaso said :P |
| 16:10.55 | Hirsute | Ah, interesting |
| 16:11.03 | GFT | bleh still doesn't work |
| 16:11.06 | GFT | will have to mess with it later |
| 16:11.09 | GFT | have real work to go do |
| 16:11.13 | GFT | thanks anyways |
| 16:11.29 | Seerah | I always had problems getting slash commands to work without using a framework.... |
| 16:11.45 | Kaso | it really is quite simple. i dont understand why |
| 16:12.44 | Seerah | I don't understand why either :P |
| 16:13.02 | Kaso | f = CreateFrame("frame") function f:OnCommand(msg) if msg="whatever" doStuff() end end SlashCmdList["MY_ADDON"] = function(msg) f:OnCommand(msg) end; SLASH_MY_ADDON1 = "/myaddon"; |
| 16:13.12 | Kaso | there just did a working slash command for an addon |
| 16:15.30 | Seerah | great! now if I could have gotten it to work when I needed it (with tons of other people looking at it and telling me to try this, try that).... |
| 16:15.42 | Seerah | :) |
| 16:16.16 | Hirsute | That info about the OnLoad with lua frames explains so much.... |
| 16:16.29 | Kaso | heh |
| 16:16.51 | Kaso | basically just physically executing the code after the CreateFrame line is equlivilent to an onload |
| 16:17.22 | cog|work | if you CreateFrame with a template, it'll run the template's OnLoad |
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| 16:17.31 | cog|work | so it's not exactly equivalent |
| 16:17.32 | cog|work | :P |
| 16:17.37 | Kaso | true |
| 16:18.04 | Hirsute | Aye, I was trying to execute some code when the Blizz Auction ui was loading, and I just couldn't get it to work. |
| 16:18.42 | Hirsute | Ended up creating a child frame of the Blizz AH frame, and running my code OnUpdate for that frame, the code that ran then hides the child frame. |
| 16:18.45 | Fisker- | cog|work ! |
| 16:18.47 | Fisker- | i skinned you :( |
| 16:19.40 | Snago | Hirsute: Why not just register for ADDON_LOADED and check if arg1 == "Blizzard_AuctionUI"? |
| 16:20.08 | Hirsute | Snago: Tried that too, the code executed too early, and didn't have any effect. |
| 16:21.18 | Snago | Hirsute: Ah... Yes, if it's like Blizzard_MacroUI the ADDON_LOADED will fire twice. So you also need to check if the frame exists yet, otherwise just wait for the next event :) |
| 16:21.42 | Hirsute | Ah, that makes sense. Interesting. |
| 16:22.25 | Hirsute | Well, it ended up working, and actually will work better the way I've set it up with some changes I want to make to the function in a couple of weeks anyway. |
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| 17:21.55 | Zurik | good morning everyone |
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| 17:24.09 | Dashkal | Mwrarf |
| 17:26.11 | wereHamster | wowbreak.com - whose website is it? |
| 17:28.37 | Malgayne | http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/wowbreak.com |
| 17:28.48 | kd3 | yah, what the hell... got spammed with that email too |
| 17:29.25 | _rane | i'm looking for ideas for possibly wow related site |
| 17:29.31 | _rane | i want to code something :( |
| 17:30.02 | wereHamster | kd3, yeah, I was wondering where from they had my email address... |
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| 17:57.28 | foxlit | wereHamster: I'm guessing curse or wowinsider |
| 17:57.53 | foxlit | or possibly wowinterface - it's the only three wow-related sites I used that email for :( |
| 17:58.25 | wereHamster | so which of these three sites sold my email to them? |
| 17:58.38 | haste | not wowinterface, I use a different mail there at least |
| 17:58.46 | cladhaire | i didn't get the email |
| 17:58.48 | haste | and I don't have a wowinsider account |
| 17:58.50 | cladhaire | but i'm at both curse or wowinsider |
| 17:58.52 | wereHamster | so it's curse |
| 17:58.58 | cladhaire | but i think curse is allowed to |
| 17:58.59 | cladhaire | not sure |
| 17:59.01 | Matrix110| | iam not at wowinsider and didnt get thet email |
| 17:59.10 | Matrix110| | regged @curse/wowi though |
| 17:59.20 | haste | so it's none of them :p ? |
| 17:59.40 | Hirsute | Perhaps someone farmed forums or the sites themselves looking for displayed addresses? |
| 17:59.43 | wereHamster | there used to be a third addon site.. |
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| 17:59.59 | haste | I don't have a account on the incgamers one at least |
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| 18:00.32 | Dolby | you have a wowhead account? |
| 18:00.50 | Matrix110| | got ont here aswell no email! |
| 18:01.07 | haste | I'll check what mail I use on wowhead soon |
| 18:01.13 | haste | curse is currently locking up my firefox :p |
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| 18:02.37 | haste | the mail I got the wowbreak mail on is used on both curse and wowhead |
| 18:03.03 | wereHamster | I only have accounts at incgamers, curse, wowi and allakhazam |
| 18:03.36 | haste | I don't think I have an account on zam |
| 18:04.14 | haste | I don't D: |
| 18:04.33 | Matrix110| | Got a account everywhere and no Email! |
| 18:04.47 | Matrix110| | (not at Inc gamers crap though) |
| 18:05.40 | haste | I don't have at incgamers either |
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| 18:07.54 | ralfWORK | so, should I go aldor or scryer on my warrior? |
| 18:07.58 | ralfWORK | (who will likely stay prot) |
| 18:09.45 | Zurik | question: how would i find information that would lead to me finding a solution for using a slash command to open my addon? |
| 18:09.55 | Zurik | or where rather than how? |
| 18:10.48 | Zurik | ralfwork: i went Aldor for that same reason. |
| 18:11.28 | Zurik | ralfwork: however, if you go scryer and don't like it.. it's easier to go from scryer to aldor then vise versa. |
| 18:12.09 | foxlit | The hardcore solution would be to look at ChatFrame.lua to figure out how slash commands are handled. |
| 18:12.17 | wereHamster | Zurik: wowwiki.com |
| 18:12.35 | Zurik | i know, but where .. what would it be under? |
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| 18:13.48 | wereHamster | google.com, search 'site:wowwiki.com create slash command' |
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| 18:14.33 | Zurik | 1. your a damn genious! |
| 18:14.38 | AlexanderYoshi2 | hai |
| 18:14.39 | Zurik | 2. google is godly. |
| 18:14.58 | Zurik | 3. tyvm |
| 18:15.28 | wereHamster | do you know JFGI? if you don't know what that is, use google to find out ;) |
| 18:15.53 | Zurik | ROFL! |
| 18:15.57 | Zurik | now that is funny! |
| 18:16.01 | Zurik | there is a term for it. |
| 18:16.03 | Zurik | haha |
| 18:16.12 | Zurik | that's awesome.. i do google everythign usually. |
| 18:16.35 | cog|work | Zurik: also |
| 18:16.38 | cog|work | ~wowprogramming |
| 18:16.38 | purl | hmm... wowprogramming is World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons (http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob) a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
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| 18:18.09 | foxlit | Hrm, sqlite_unbuffered_query puzzles me :( |
| 18:18.10 | Zurik | purl, it's already in transit to my home. :D |
| 18:18.20 | Zurik | i bought that one and the hackers one. |
| 18:18.24 | cog|work | heh purl's a bot :P |
| 18:18.38 | cog|work | i triggered him with ~wowprogramming |
| 18:18.39 | Zurik | oo.. lol i thought purl said that.. haha |
| 18:18.42 | cog|work | s/him/her/ |
| 18:18.51 | Zurik | so i ment that message for you cog. |
| 18:18.52 | cog|work | ~botsnack |
| 18:18.52 | purl | cog|work: :) |
| 18:19.02 | Zurik | that's awesome |
| 18:19.07 | Zurik | i like this on. LUA |
| 18:19.07 | krka | Zurik: Lua is not an acronym. It is a Portuguese word that means moon. |
| 18:19.09 | wereHamster | ~purl |
| 18:19.09 | purl | ACTION purrs. |
| 18:19.50 | Zurik | bots can be fun :) |
| 18:20.15 | Zurik | Cog: Anyways, yeah I bought both books. |
| 18:20.22 | ralfWORK | Zurik: interesting. I've been thinking SCryer because of SSO neck |
| 18:20.22 | cog|work | Zurik: cool :) |
| 18:20.26 | ralfWORK | but every tank I see is aldor :P |
| 18:21.06 | Zurik | yeah, IMO.. aldor is the way to go.. more def gear items.. and glyphs.. |
| 18:21.56 | Zurik | plus, i don't remember.. but i think Aldor has the fireresist gear for Blacksmithing. |
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| 18:23.23 | Zurik | ralfWORK: what lvl is your warrior atm? |
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| 18:32.22 | ralfWORK | Zurik: 63 |
| 18:32.46 | ralfWORK | also contemplating dropping BS and going Eng, but idk :( |
| 18:35.21 | foxlit | $#%# you, Eurovision |
| 18:35.28 | foxlit | Sending macs .exe installers for Octoshape :( |
| 18:36.52 | wereHamster | eurovision? do you watch that? |
| 18:37.59 | Kaso | does anyone watch that? |
| 18:38.13 | wereHamster | apparently some people do.. |
| 18:38.27 | foxlit | It's a comedy of pure fail! |
| 18:38.34 | foxlit | Why wouldn't you watch it? |
| 18:39.08 | wereHamster | if I want to watch comedy, I go download an episode of thedailyshow.. |
| 18:39.32 | foxlit | No, see, that's semi-serious comedy |
| 18:39.37 | foxlit | And they were late with uploading last night's show |
| 18:39.56 | foxlit | I wonder if I can find the BBC stream somewhere |
| 18:52.13 | Zurik | is there something special i need to do to get myaddonname_OnLoad() to run? |
| 18:53.02 | Snago | Zurik: Write myaddonname_OnLoad() in the lua? |
| 18:53.21 | Zurik | yeah i did |
| 18:53.27 | Zurik | it's not kicking off. |
| 18:53.29 | Kaso | or put it in the onload handler of your xml? |
| 18:53.35 | Zurik | now is my addon name what i put in the TOC file? |
| 18:53.36 | Lopeppeppy | Pastey up your code for others to see? |
| 18:53.58 | Snago | Zurik: yeah, I meant not only the function declaration.. Actually call it too.. |
| 18:54.10 | Zurik | well first.. is my addonname_Onload what i have in the TOC file or.. my base table? |
| 18:54.22 | wereHamster | <OnLoad> usually is a function that is called from the <Scripts><OnLoad> section of a frame defined in a xml file |
| 18:54.45 | Zurik | were: thanks i forgot about the scripts .. lol |
| 18:54.50 | Snago | Zurik: If you want to delay it though you will need a frame to respond to an event. |
| 18:55.25 | wereHamster | if you are using xml files, please do yourself a favour and validate the xml files with the xsd schema |
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| 18:55.46 | wereHamster | that will catch any obvious mistakes |
| 18:56.37 | Snago | local f = CreateFrame("Frame"); f:SetScript("OnEvent", function(self, event, arg1) if event == "ADDON_LOADED" and arg1 == "myaddonname" then myaddonname_OnLoad() end end); f:RegisterEvent("ADDON_LOADED") |
| 18:57.25 | wereHamster | Snago: if you register only ADDON_LOADED then there's no point in checking event == ... |
| 18:57.56 | Snago | wereHamster: Yeah, I know.. I was just being extra clear for educational purposes |
| 18:57.59 | Kaso | It's good practice though imo. |
| 18:58.25 | Zurik | i c |
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| 18:58.58 | Kaso | i came accross issues when trying to fake events because of addons assuming stuff in their onevent handlers |
| 18:58.58 | Snago | Zurik: Save yourself the pain of xml and use lua created frames, imho :) |
| 18:59.11 | Zurik | I'm not using xml. |
| 18:59.17 | wereHamster | Kaso: why would you want to fake events? |
| 18:59.27 | Snago | Kaso: That's your problem for wanting to fake events :P |
| 18:59.29 | Kaso | Why wouldnt you! |
| 18:59.55 | dylanm | Women do it all the time. |
| 19:00.00 | wereHamster | for debugging reasons, or just for fun? |
| 19:00.03 | Kaso | I know its my problem, but it'd does seem to me that in a multi-programmer enviroment you shouldnt assume too much |
| 19:00.05 | Snago | dylanm: lol! |
| 19:01.03 | Kaso | It was a bit experimental, but also a bit practical, i wanted to make an addon that could simulate the thaddius fight well enough for raid-addons to be fooled, so we could practice the rotations without costing hundreds of gold a night. |
| 19:01.05 | Snago | Kaso: Normally when I write event handlers I assume I won't recive events I didn't register for. And if I do it's not my problem |
| 19:01.59 | wereHamster | Kaso: interesting. Did you manage to get it to work? |
| 19:02.58 | Kaso | i mostly got it working, but it was so hacky, and tainty i never really used it outside my experimentation, by the time i got it working we'd pretty much sorted the rotation anyway |
| 19:03.06 | Kaso | it was just one of those "i wonder if.." ideas |
| 19:03.46 | wereHamster | your work could be also useful for future encounters :) |
| 19:04.00 | foxlit | Unless you really need to fire things across the entire UI |
| 19:04.11 | foxlit | Fake them at library level :) |
| 19:04.32 | Kaso | assuming everyone uses the same libraries? |
| 19:05.03 | Zurik | where would this code go? CoreFiveGUI:SetScript("OnLoad",CoreFiveGUI_OnLoad); |
| 19:05.08 | wereHamster | isn't it enough to fake it just for the raid addons? |
| 19:05.22 | wereHamster | Zurik: nowhere |
| 19:05.41 | Zurik | lol |
| 19:05.51 | wereHamster | if the frame was created in a xml file, then you have to put the OnLoad into the xml file |
| 19:06.02 | Zurik | it's not.. were.. i'm not using xml |
| 19:06.03 | Snago | Zurik: If you already have a frame in lua it's too late for "OnLoad" |
| 19:06.20 | foxlit | Kaso: rig the libraries to use each other! |
| 19:06.21 | wereHamster | if you created the frame in lua using CreateFrame, then there's no point in having a OnLoad function |
| 19:06.21 | Zurik | hrm.. ok. |
| 19:06.42 | Snago | Zurik: You need to make it respond to an event like the one I wrote ^^ |
| 19:06.51 | Kaso | wereHamster, well i wanted Buffframes to react to it too, but yeh, you could've done it more targetted, i wanted to see if i could do a generic "will work for everything, even the guy just staring at his buff frames" one |
| 19:06.58 | wereHamster | you just CreateFrame() and then do whatever you had in OnLoad right after that |
| 19:07.48 | Zurik | yeah, but it's my main code block and i'm trying to follow the example from http://www.wowwiki.com/Creating_a_slash_command |
| 19:07.51 | Kaso | All i can find is a very old snippit of event faking code, you can tell its old from the style of the metatable hook ive done; http://pastey.net/959 |
| 19:07.56 | wereHamster | Zurik: OnLoad is executed only once, right after wow parses the xml files and creates the frame. |
| 19:08.06 | Kaso | i think i must have written that before thaddius came out with that metatable stuff |
| 19:08.13 | Zurik | ffs where, i'm not using xml .. lol |
| 19:08.15 | Kaso | and the low pastey id |
| 19:08.33 | Zurik | i can't type your name right either.. i keep wanting to put the "h" |
| 19:08.44 | Zurik | heh. |
| 19:09.30 | wereHamster | Zurik: add this to any of your .lua files: http://pastey.net/88117 |
| 19:11.11 | wereHamster | btw, the wiki page explains what to do if you don't have any xml files.. |
| 19:11.28 | Kaso | Does any one know when the "new" setmettable type metatable hooks became available? |
| 19:11.46 | Kaso | i seem to remeber that being before wow 2.0 ? |
| 19:11.56 | Kaso | or perhaps not |
| 19:12.10 | Zurik | yeah, i just couldn't get it to work the way that i have things setup.. or just wasn't too clear on how. |
| 19:12.11 | foxlit | :HookScript, hooksecurefunc? |
| 19:12.50 | Kaso | foxlit as in not like its done at the bottom of this; http://pastey.net/959 |
| 19:13.37 | Kaso | crap thats old, 2006 >.< |
| 19:13.59 | wereHamster | -- the actual method hook ( ITS MAGIC ) |
| 19:14.51 | Kaso | Yah, i borrowed that code from iriel, i cant say i knew the actualy mechanics behind how it worked back then |
| 19:14.53 | Zurik | were: thanks, I didn't realize that would run all on it's own like that.. i thought i had to tie it all into my MainFrame |
| 19:15.10 | Zurik | but that slash command works independent. |
| 19:15.28 | wereHamster | independent of any frames, yes |
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| 19:20.10 | Zurik | why is my slash command not working? |
| 19:20.10 | Zurik | http://pastebin.com/d25767b93 |
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| 19:21.01 | wereHamster | Zurik: lua is case sensitive! |
| 19:21.15 | wereHamster | SLASH_COREFIVELFG1 vs SlashCmdList["CoreFiveLFG"] |
| 19:21.32 | Zurik | awh.. gotcha. |
| 19:22.12 | wereHamster | local SLASH_COREFIVELFG1 = "/WC5"; <- this is also wrong, the variable must not be local |
| 19:22.38 | Zurik | no, it worked. |
| 19:22.45 | Zurik | or is it just bad practice? |
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| 19:23.06 | wereHamster | I was refering to line 47, which you commented out. |
| 19:23.32 | Zurik | oh.. :) |
| 19:24.14 | Zurik | now.. if i call my CreaateGUI function again when i run my /slash command |
| 19:24.24 | Zurik | i'm creating a whole new version of my addon .. |
| 19:24.31 | Zurik | what happend to the one i closed? |
| 19:24.36 | Zurik | is it stillt here just hidden? |
| 19:24.40 | wereHamster | yes |
| 19:24.51 | wereHamster | you can't destroy frames, only hide them |
| 19:24.52 | Zurik | so really, i just want to show it then? |
| 19:24.58 | Slakah1 | jup |
| 19:25.01 | Zurik | not recreate . |
| 19:25.03 | Zurik | kk. |
| 19:25.12 | wereHamster | yes, create the frames once, and show/hide as the user wants |
| 19:25.46 | wereHamster | you can create the frames either when the addon loads, or when the user opens the UI the first time |
| 19:26.17 | Zurik | so wierd! |
| 19:26.21 | wereHamster | why? |
| 19:26.34 | Zurik | no .. when i do a /wc5 it won't let me hit enter |
| 19:26.35 | Zurik | lol |
| 19:26.47 | Zurik | when i changed it to just :Show() |
| 19:26.51 | wereHamster | so you hit an error in your lua code |
| 19:26.51 | Zurik | instead of my function. |
| 19:27.08 | wereHamster | I don't remember how to enable the error console.. |
| 19:27.10 | Zurik | oh ya.. it was in my bugsack |
| 19:27.22 | Slakah1 | This is me nitpicking, but instead of doing a table lookup for creating and setting properties for self.MainFrame , why not just do local MainFrame = CreateFrame("Frame",nil,AnchorFrame) the set self.MainFrame later using self.MainFrame = MainFrame |
| 19:27.45 | Slakah1 | and use MainFrame for :SetWidth() etc. |
| 19:28.13 | Zurik | cuz i'm just learing... |
| 19:28.16 | Zurik | :P |
| 19:28.20 | Zurik | and one sec.. phone. |
| 19:28.22 | Slakah1 | fair enough |
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| 19:44.08 | joejigglez | hey would anyone be able to send my account a scroll of resurection? |
| 19:47.31 | wereHamster | what is that? |
| 19:47.55 | Snago | joejigglez: me!meme! |
| 19:48.50 | kd3 | wheee... bot banwaves are fun to watch |
| 19:48.57 | Snago | joejigglez: US or Europe? |
| 19:49.09 | joejigglez | us |
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| 19:49.30 | Snago | oh :( |
| 19:49.49 | joejigglez | doh |
| 19:49.58 | frop | Apoco? |
| 19:50.00 | joejigglez | is this an EU site? |
| 19:50.04 | Apoco | ? |
| 19:50.09 | joejigglez | *chat* sorry |
| 19:50.12 | frop | found a buggy :) |
| 19:50.36 | frop | on BigWigs mod and Transfer |
| 19:50.42 | Apoco | ? |
| 19:50.54 | frop | i got two frame |
| 19:50.57 | frop | long and short |
| 19:51.08 | frop | and bigwigs appear on both |
| 19:51.15 | Snago | joejigglez: nah, it's mixed.. |
| 19:51.27 | frop | plus when counter is at 15s, it get transfered too |
| 19:51.35 | Apoco | make sure that you have it filtered by time |
| 19:51.43 | Snago | but I don't think I can resurect an us acc with an eu one :\ |
| 19:51.50 | Apoco | in the filtering settings |
| 19:51.58 | frop | mmmh |
| 19:51.59 | frop | checking |
| 19:52.09 | ralfWORK | what is this scroll? |
| 19:52.36 | frop | ouch...sorry....missed the time filter :D |
| 19:52.55 | joejigglez | scroll of resurection allows someone who hasnt loged on in at least 6 mos to get free 10 days and if i activate my account u get a free 30 |
| 19:52.59 | Apoco | hehe |
| 19:53.18 | ralfWORK | oh |
| 19:53.22 | ralfWORK | the referral program |
| 19:53.24 | frop | so Filter By Max Lenght |
| 19:53.27 | Apoco | yeah |
| 19:53.30 | joejigglez | pretty much |
| 19:53.37 | ralfWORK | ya, k |
| 19:53.43 | Apoco | filter by max length on short bars |
| 19:53.48 | Apoco | and by min length on long bars |
| 19:53.58 | joejigglez | i havent been on in a while and am kinda broke lol |
| 19:54.05 | joejigglez | till thurs |
| 19:54.55 | joejigglez | so any US players wana send me a scroll =) |
| 19:55.06 | Apoco | sure |
| 19:55.09 | Apoco | whats your email addy |
| 19:55.33 | joejigglez | joeinsv@msn.com |
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| 19:55.44 | kd3 | hail zoot |
| 19:56.06 | Zootfizzle | Heya |
| 19:56.07 | Apoco | inc |
| 19:57.13 | joejigglez | hey man thx |
| 19:57.14 | Apoco | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:57.28 | ralfWORK | hahahahaha |
| 19:57.41 | kergoth | ckknight: was it you that was playing with the Boo language? or am i thinking of a different one? |
| 19:57.46 | joejigglez | thx laterz |
| 19:57.50 | ckknight | kergoth: that's right. |
| 19:58.04 | ckknight | kergoth: I worked on Boo for a good 6 months or so, before I got into WoW programming |
| 19:58.18 | kergoth | starting to play around with c#/.NET, and noticed a boo based makefile replacemetn in the mono svn |
| 19:58.20 | kergoth | cute little language |
| 19:58.24 | kergoth | will have to play with it some more |
| 19:58.53 | ckknight | I think it's a wash |
| 19:59.16 | ckknight | pretty pointless if you ask me, it'll never get any widespread support and the language itself isn't all that great compared to alternatives |
| 19:59.23 | ckknight | shrugs* |
| 20:00.11 | ckknight | if you want to code scripts with .Net, I'd go with IronPython, if you want to code programs, I'd go with something like C# or VB. Boo's kind of a black sheep where it doesn't do either of those things all that well |
| 20:00.13 | kergoth | its true, if you want .net support in a scripting language, there's ironpython or others. theres even a DLR based lua implementation somenoe's working on, which i find quite amusing |
| 20:00.15 | kergoth | heh :) |
| 20:00.37 | ckknight | :-P |
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| 20:01.10 | pastamancer | DLR or CLR? |
| 20:01.11 | ckknight | it's handy being able to read MSIL, to know what's going on and the like now |
| 20:01.17 | Saint-N | so any of you get hit with the ban? |
| 20:01.18 | ckknight | pastamancer: DLR is built on top of the CLR |
| 20:01.24 | ckknight | Saint-N: ban? |
| 20:01.25 | pastamancer | ah, what's the D for? |
| 20:01.29 | ckknight | dynamic |
| 20:01.29 | Saint-N | yeah 365K accounts |
| 20:01.39 | Saint-N | a good majority im guessing are bots and spammers |
| 20:01.48 | Saint-N | but there seems to be a nice collection of "innocents" |
| 20:01.52 | ckknight | pastamancer: made by the guy who wrote IronPython. it's basically a set of libraries to make dynamicism easier |
| 20:01.59 | ckknight | Saint-N: no one is innocent. |
| 20:02.03 | Saint-N | hence the quotes |
| 20:02.08 | pastamancer | we'll know if fisker and sag_ich_nicht disappear! |
| 20:02.14 | ckknight | hehe |
| 20:02.48 | Snago | If they didn't I demand MOAR BANS! |
| 20:02.50 | Saint-N | i didnt play for like 2 months put a GC on the account couple days ago played last night and poof banend for "economy manipulation" |
| 20:03.05 | Saint-N | i havent been near an ah since i renewed my idle account ;P |
| 20:03.07 | kd3 | oh, I wish my wow account was active... I want to partake in the schadenfreude |
| 20:03.10 | Saint-N | <-- amazing |
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| 20:06.46 | frop | Apoco it works :) |
| 20:06.50 | frop | imba mod...rly |
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| 20:07.27 | frop | just need YEARS to get it configured as it should ^^ |
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| 20:08.55 | ckknight | Saint-N: a GC? |
| 20:08.59 | Saint-N | game card |
| 20:09.09 | ckknight | hrm |
| 20:09.46 | Saint-N | im not upset by any stretch sure seems to be the linux thing again though |
| 20:10.02 | ckknight | too bad, man |
| 20:10.16 | Saint-N | ill make a half hearted "i didnt do anything" email and if get it back groovy, if not oh well |
| 20:10.25 | Saint-N | AoC looks spiffy |
| 20:10.29 | Saint-N | and WAR is coming |
| 20:10.34 | pastamancer | quit manipulating the economy with your leenooks! |
| 20:10.46 | Saint-N | pastamancer: i manipulated it with my mind! |
| 20:10.57 | Saint-N | areas and continents away from ah's |
| 20:10.59 | Saint-N | take that! |
| 20:11.29 | pastamancer | I blame free software... as a communist you clearly wish to destroy the auction house! |
| 20:11.35 | Saint-N | yesh |
| 20:15.24 | ckknight | woo, capitalism! |
| 20:15.33 | ckknight | except that WoW's system is far from capitalistic |
| 20:15.48 | ckknight | much more mercantilistic, if you ask me |
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| 20:24.08 | foxlit | It's more like silly |
| 20:24.26 | foxlit | Our economic models are based on limited resources |
| 20:24.53 | ralfWORK | yea, I was gonna say |
| 20:25.00 | ralfWORK | more like the economy of non-economy |
| 20:25.15 | ralfWORK | the economy of mouth breathers who sell for less than they bought it fore |
| 20:25.17 | ralfWORK | *for |
| 20:27.03 | Snago | I love to buy cloth on AH, click a few buttons to make it into bandages and vendor it for profit :D |
| 20:27.09 | ralfWORK | rofl |
| 20:27.11 | ralfWORK | yep |
| 20:27.21 | ralfWORK | I've done that before |
| 20:27.24 | ralfWORK | not worth the time |
| 20:27.33 | ralfWORK | if I could have an addon do it for me, that would rock me hard |
| 20:27.59 | ralfWORK | regardless, it's funny as crap |
| 20:28.01 | Snago | I don't do it anymore.. I get more gold than I know how to spend :S |
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| 20:33.45 | jaeger | Hey again, all. What's the proper way to deal with FontString objects that get updated constantly as far as refreshing goes? I've noticed in my playerframe addon test that the hp/mana text gets garbled after a while as the updated fontstring is written over the old one. Do I need to manually clear the area each update or is there a better way? |
| 20:36.18 | Zootfizzle | It sounds like you're probably not doing what you actually want to be doing =) |
| 20:36.31 | jaeger | That's entirely possible |
| 20:37.02 | kd3 | 13 pages and counting... whee |
| 20:39.06 | jaeger | In this case I'm just doing a new SetText() call after a UNIT_HEALTH or UNIT_MAXHEALTH event |
| 20:39.46 | GFT | ok now to try and again figure out how to add a damn butt on the AH frame >..< |
| 20:39.49 | Zootfizzle | Are you using the default unit frames? |
| 20:40.01 | GFT | button on* |
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| 20:40.12 | jaeger | no, I'm using my own as a learning project. very simple frame with health/power statusbars and text |
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| 20:43.45 | jaeger | Is it possibly caused by the text ending up outside the frame? |
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| 20:59.10 | GFT | who who'd a thunk that adding a button to the AH would be so damn difficult |
| 21:00.09 | GFT | anyone help me out? |
| 21:04.16 | Zurik | is there a doc that tells you how to change the broder of a frame? |
| 21:05.11 | wereHamster | how do you want to change the border? |
| 21:06.00 | jaeger | Zootfizzle: any ideas what's going wrong with the FontString? |
| 21:06.14 | Zurik | well i have a sub section of a frame .. and i want that sectoin to have a border around it. |
| 21:06.27 | Zurik | but i think i'm going to scrap this for now.. and work on a tabs menu. |
| 21:06.28 | Zurik | lol |
| 21:06.54 | wereHamster | Best way to make that is to make a new frame, anchor it to the right position and SetBackdrop() on it |
| 21:07.30 | Zurik | oh there is not :SetBorder() of a frame.. that just controls the color of the broder? |
| 21:08.42 | wereHamster | SetBackdropColor() |
| 21:09.01 | Zurik | gotcha |
| 21:09.04 | wereHamster | SetBackdropBorderColor |
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| 21:09.45 | zenzelezz | "But that's not as bad as your auto-update policy: slipping us stealth copies of Safari under the cover of important version updates to iTunes and Quicktime — what is this, Make Microsoft Look Good day?" heh |
| 21:10.41 | ckknight | I'll make you look good. *shake fist* |
| 21:11.24 | zenzelezz | guessing you didn't see the "Annoying software: a rogues' gallery" article on ZDNet UK :) |
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| 21:13.14 | ckknight | zenzelezz: I did, actually |
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| 21:13.21 | DARKGuy | mornin' ^^ |
| 21:13.33 | Zurik | another question: is there a UI Widget that will let you do Tabs? |
| 21:13.44 | Zurik | or do i have to build it manually? |
| 21:13.45 | zenzelezz | ckknight: =) That article had me laughing all the way through |
| 21:13.54 | Zurik | i looked on wowcompares and didn't see anything offhand. |
| 21:14.20 | ckknight | Zurik: basically, the way tabs work now is that they're just buttons that show/hide frames. Blizz provides some functionality to support such constructs |
| 21:15.11 | Zurik | google is god.. i just found this http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Create_Tabbed_Windows |
| 21:15.33 | ScytheBlade1 | s/google/wowwiki/ |
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| 21:15.49 | wereHamster | google, too |
| 21:16.17 | DARKGuy | I always light a candle for Saint Google :) |
| 21:17.00 | Zurik | haha |
| 21:17.29 | ckknight | google knows all |
| 21:17.35 | ckknight | it helps you find things in even the most troubling times |
| 21:17.42 | DARKGuy | hell yeah |
| 21:17.43 | ckknight | well, unless your internet's down |
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| 21:25.08 | Duman | bah |
| 21:25.32 | Duman | I need to write a script or something to merge my cross-account saved variables (for stuff like altoholic) when I exit the game |
| 21:25.36 | GFT | bleh this pisses me off |
| 21:25.39 | Duman | that, or they need to be un-sandboxed :) |
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| 21:26.07 | Duman | (I'm assuming there's no way to access cross-account saved variable, yeah?) |
| 21:26.07 | GFT | i am having a hard time adding a damn butotn on the AH frame.. |
| 21:27.05 | Hirsute | Dunman: You could use symlinked directories in one of the accounts that point to the SV directories in the other account. |
| 21:27.30 | Duman | oh, that will work? hmmmm |
| 21:27.34 | bleetah | (and hope to god blizz don't break it again) |
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| 21:27.58 | Hirsute | Dunman: Yes, I'm doing it to share my auc data across accounts |
| 21:28.02 | bleetah | Duman: yeah, they broke it in 4.0 or 4.1 when they redid the filesystem handling, works again now |
| 21:28.03 | Duman | rad |
| 21:28.16 | DARKGuy | Well that's 1337 |
| 21:28.17 | bleetah | at least, OSX/*nix symlinks |
| 21:28.23 | Duman | wait |
| 21:28.24 | Duman | ahh yeah |
| 21:28.26 | Duman | I was about to ask |
| 21:28.28 | bleetah | dunno 'bout the hacky Win32 style symlinks |
| 21:28.31 | Duman | if it would work in windoze :-/ |
| 21:28.32 | bleetah | shortcuts won't |
| 21:28.32 | Duman | hmm |
| 21:28.35 | DARKGuy | windows has symlinks in NTFS |
| 21:28.38 | DARKGuy | I use them :P |
| 21:28.44 | Duman | yeah I can use ln |
| 21:28.46 | GFT | anyone? |
| 21:28.49 | Duman | in cygwin |
| 21:28.54 | DARKGuy | wtf |
| 21:28.56 | DARKGuy | no |
| 21:28.58 | DARKGuy | ntfslink |
| 21:29.24 | DARKGuy | I use that to keep 2+ WoW copies without copying the whole Data folder, I just symlink it |
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| 21:29.39 | bleetah | ntfslink isn't something Win does by default, thogh |
| 21:29.49 | DARKGuy | it does, it's just a frontend |
| 21:29.54 | DARKGuy | NTFS has been having symlinks since 2k |
| 21:30.13 | bleetah | oh, I knew the API was there |
| 21:30.14 | MentalPower | someone should port ln over to windows |
| 21:30.19 | Hirsute | Aye, symlinks have been implemented, just no easy tools to work with them until Vista, but NTFS link is available. |
| 21:30.23 | Duman | yeah 'ln' under cygwin should be calling the same syscall |
| 21:30.35 | DARKGuy | Hirsute: NTFS Link works in Vista and XP :) |
| 21:30.45 | MentalPower | and win2k |
| 21:30.49 | DARKGuy | cool. |
| 21:31.00 | MentalPower | basically anywhere NTFS > v2 is |
| 21:31.18 | Hirsute | DARKGuy: I know, but it is unnecessary in Vista |
| 21:31.27 | DARKGuy | Hirsute: why? I use it :$ |
| 21:31.31 | Hirsute | in Vista you can use the built-in command mklink |
| 21:31.34 | MentalPower | I use it in vista too |
| 21:31.40 | DARKGuy | ah, but it's a command |
| 21:31.44 | DARKGuy | I <3 GUI programs :p |
| 21:31.45 | MentalPower | erm... eww :) |
| 21:31.47 | GFT | MentalPower: do you have any idea how to add a button to the AH frame? |
| 21:32.12 | DARKGuy | if I wanted to use commands to use my OS I'd be using Linux :P |
| 21:32.35 | bleetah | UI's are for the weak |
| 21:32.41 | bleetah | commands are for weaker still |
| 21:32.52 | bleetah | real folks poke bits directly into their kernel |
| 21:33.14 | DARKGuy | and spend 4 weeks patching it while others are already playing :P |
| 21:33.22 | bleetah | sshhhh ;):P |
| 21:33.23 | GFT | all i need is a button on the AH |
| 21:33.26 | DARKGuy | xD |
| 21:33.27 | MentalPower | GFT: local f = CreateFrame("Button", AuctionFrame, "MyFrameName", "UIButtonTemplate") f:SetPoint("CENTER", AuctionFrame, "CENTER") f:Show() |
| 21:33.37 | MentalPower | violá |
| 21:33.52 | GFT | just put that in my lua? |
| 21:34.04 | MentalPower | not sure on the template name or the AH's frame name |
| 21:34.27 | Snago | MentalPower: It needs to wait for Blizzard_AuctionUI to load first though |
| 21:34.40 | GFT | k let me check real quick |
| 21:34.50 | MentalPower | Snago: yup I know, I think GFT knows that already |
| 21:35.10 | Snago | GFT: Either put LoadsWith: Blizzard_AuctionUI in your ToC or check how I detect Blizzard_MacroUI loading in IHML |
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| 21:35.12 | GFT | yeah i got that |
| 21:35.20 | GFT | it loads with it in the .otc |
| 21:35.22 | GFT | err .toc |
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| 21:37.26 | GFT | getting an error mental |
| 21:37.31 | GFT | and the names I have are correct |
| 21:37.44 | MentalPower | pastey the error? |
| 21:37.56 | zenzelezz | don't say things like "an error", describe the errors |
| 21:38.34 | DARKGuy | it could be an error between the keyboard and the chair |
| 21:38.35 | DARKGuy | :P |
| 21:39.24 | GFT | Error: Usage: CreateFrame("frameType"" [,"name"] [, parent] [, "template"]) |
| 21:39.28 | GFT | let me paste the code |
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| 21:39.46 | GFT | http://pastebin.com/m2bff4ae6 |
| 21:39.49 | GFT | that part is at the top |
| 21:40.13 | MentalPower | GFT: switch the auctionframe and "myframename" parts |
| 21:40.49 | GFT | k reloading |
| 21:41.10 | MentalPower | ~lart DARKGuy |
| 21:41.10 | purl | raises middle finger to DARKGuy |
| 21:41.25 | MentalPower | thats... harsh |
| 21:41.32 | GFT | CreateFrame: Unknown frame Type 'EasyAuctionSumButton' |
| 21:41.33 | MentalPower | where are the funny larts |
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| 21:41.55 | MentalPower | GFT: the first one *needs* to be "Button" |
| 21:42.00 | zenzelezz | any Linux user familiar with having Firefox jumping to whichever workspace (or whatever your window manager calls it) that requested it to open a link? It didn't use to do that, and I seem too noob to find out why it does now |
| 21:42.06 | GFT | oh ok hold on |
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| 21:42.43 | kd3 | zen; fx2 or 3? |
| 21:42.48 | zenzelezz | 3 |
| 21:42.53 | GFT | ok well it didn't error MentalPower, but I don't see the button |
| 21:42.53 | wereHamster | zenzelezz: I hate that, but there's an option to turn it off |
| 21:43.00 | kd3 | ah, dunno. still using 2. there should be an option somewhere, though |
| 21:43.08 | wereHamster | just a couple days ago I read a blog entry about it |
| 21:43.10 | kd3 | if not in the UI in about:config |
| 21:43.17 | zenzelezz | I'll poke around, thanks =) |
| 21:43.53 | wereHamster | https://bugs.launchpad.net/firefox/+bug/175904 |
| 21:44.22 | zenzelezz | wereHamster: thanks :-) |
| 21:44.25 | wereHamster | if you don't want to read all that, just set browser.tabs.loadDivertedInBackground to false |
| 21:44.32 | wereHamster | err true |
| 21:44.53 | GFT | ou get that MP? |
| 21:45.18 | GFT | err you* |
| 21:45.21 | MentalPower | GFT: /dump MyFrameName:GetRect() |
| 21:45.34 | zenzelezz | wereHamster: awesome =D |
| 21:45.49 | GFT | empty result |
| 21:47.03 | wereHamster | you're welcome :) |
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| 21:49.02 | Keias | hello Lopeppeppy |
| 21:49.13 | DARKGuy | Hi Lopeppeppy |
| 21:49.14 | Lopeppeppy | Heyo. |
| 21:49.17 | GFT | stupid buttons are retarded |
| 21:49.18 | GFT | haha |
| 21:49.56 | Lopeppeppy | Redundant cat is cat is redundant? |
| 21:50.25 | zenzelezz | how could you say that to emo cat? |
| 21:51.47 | GFT | have any idea MentalPower? |
| 21:53.56 | GFT | or anyone else? |
| 21:54.42 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz, who do you think is responsible for the "emo" in emocat? *grin* |
| 21:55.09 | ScytheBlade1 | haha. More glider users got banned. Good times were had by all. |
| 21:55.31 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: :-o |
| 21:55.54 | bleetah | ScytheBlade1: apparently innerspace/openbot, too |
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| 21:56.26 | ScytheBlade1 | bleetah: nice, good to hear |
| 21:56.28 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Cide] by ChanServ |
| 21:56.52 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 21:57.00 | ScytheBlade1 | And the glider forums are "too busy at the moment. Please try again later." |
| 21:57.05 | ScytheBlade1 | This ban wave must have been HUGE |
| 21:57.09 | bleetah | though it does read to some of the CSF regulars that blizz are banning by association somewhere along the line |
| 21:57.09 | kd3 | indeed |
| 21:57.28 | bleetah | accounts getting kicked for being paid for with a CC that's known to pay for a botting account previously, or similar... |
| 21:57.37 | bleetah | ... kinda hard to read the thread still early here |
| 21:57.41 | kd3 | ^ concerns me a little |
| 21:57.43 | ScytheBlade1 | That's a pretty common practice and nothing new |
| 21:57.54 | ScytheBlade1 | They have done that in the past |
| 21:57.56 | bleetah | the wording is 'new' |
| 21:58.04 | bleetah | from what the regs say |
| 21:58.25 | ScytheBlade1 | No. People on the glider forums have stated they have had clean accounts banned by proxy billing/owner info |
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| 21:59.06 | ScytheBlade1 | (In the past) |
| 21:59.15 | GFT | so can someone help me out to get this working? i am at a complete loss |
| 21:59.20 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 22:00.04 | Lopeppeppy | ScytheBlade1, we trust the *GLIDER* people to be honest and above board in all of their dealings? Irony sensors are wildly fluctuating. |
| 22:00.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Point well taken. But likewise, when someone during a ban wave says "they banned all of my accounts, even the clean ones" |
| 22:00.48 | Shirik | oh did I come in during a glider discussion? |
| 22:00.57 | ScytheBlade1 | I tend to give them the benfit of the doubt due to excessive stupidity |
| 22:01.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: new ban wave! |
| 22:01.06 | kd3 | huge |
| 22:01.06 | Shirik | good |
| 22:01.17 | Lopeppeppy | Excessive stupidity = both using a bot and believing they are in any way "clean". |
| 22:01.21 | ScytheBlade1 | The glider forums are overloaded, won't respond to traffic |
| 22:01.23 | Shirik | and honestly ScytheBlade1, I could care less if their "clean ones" get banned |
| 22:01.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: even better point! |
| 22:01.28 | Lopeppeppy | The more the merrier |
| 22:01.35 | Shirik | couldn't? |
| 22:01.41 | Shirik | I mean I'm happy |
| 22:01.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: 13+ page on general, 22+ page on CSF |
| 22:02.05 | bleetah | some figure being thrown around earlier was 365,000 banned accounts |
| 22:02.06 | Shirik | good |
| 22:02.11 | bleetah | no idea of the source though |
| 22:02.12 | Shirik | let me see if anyone from my guild was banned |
| 22:02.16 | Lopeppeppy | They are posting on the WoW boards... to complain that they were banned for using a bot program..... |
| 22:02.29 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, the irony sensors must be taken offline at this point, the screaming is giving me a headache. |
| 22:02.31 | Xuerian | Kids these days are retarded. |
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| 22:02.38 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy, after I GMed for another company, nothing ceases to amaze me anymore |
| 22:02.59 | Hirsute | Shirik: You've been a GM? |
| 22:03.02 | bleetah | Lopeppeppy: it's like the gold buyer who turned up in CSF asking for fraud resolution |
| 22:03.03 | Shirik | not for WoW |
| 22:03.06 | Shirik | but yes |
| 22:03.20 | Hirsute | Ever read http://bannable-offenses.blogspot.com? |
| 22:03.28 | Shirik | that looks familiar |
| 22:03.42 | kd3 | heh... haven't read anything out of him in a while |
| 22:04.03 | Hirsute | Guy claims to be a GM for FFXI, he's funny, even if what he says isn't true. |
| 22:04.04 | Shirik | Ha, that brings up one of the most amusing things I had to deal with |
| 22:04.42 | Shirik | The game I worked on had a ton of vulnerabilities. One of them early on was that you could modify packets such that you could change who was saying it |
| 22:05.11 | Hirsute | Oh my.... |
| 22:05.12 | Shirik | The top 5 people in the race also had access to send chat to everyone in the race in a special color. The GMs also used this during events because we didn't have our own chat. |
| 22:05.31 | Hirsute | The mischievous fun that could be had there.... |
| 22:05.33 | Shirik | So one time someone decided to write into race chat [GM]Dave : something about 3 free months or something |
| 22:06.06 | Shirik | I'm not sure if that's where they got the idea of [GM]Dave or not |
| 22:06.08 | Shirik | but that was definitely the name |
| 22:06.48 | wereHamster | Hirsute: BO, I used to read that blog a long time ago, thanks for bringing that blog up again. One more blog for my entertainment :) |
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| 22:07.14 | Shirik | The game has gotten a bit more secure since then, but really the game doesn't make it fun, the community does |
| 22:07.20 | Shirik | I loved that game for the community |
| 22:08.07 | bleetah | fairly easy to love a playerbase where you're a GM, Shirik ;) :P |
| 22:08.18 | Shirik | I would say it's fairly easy to hate the playerbase |
| 22:08.18 | Hirsute | Heh. |
| 22:08.18 | Shirik | lol |
| 22:08.44 | bleetah | nah, that's just common across all customer faced industries |
| 22:08.50 | Shirik | eh, this is true |
| 22:09.07 | Shirik | but I loved it before I was a GM as well |
| 22:09.08 | GFT | wow this is incredibly annoying.. |
| 22:09.20 | Shirik | it was one of those games where you had to know people, you can't do anything on your own |
| 22:12.10 | Zurik | why is it that all the tutorials always use XML? |
| 22:12.25 | TecnoBrat | OMG Hirsute |
| 22:12.29 | TecnoBrat | GM Dave is back!?!? |
| 22:12.46 | Keias | omg I hate you guys |
| 22:12.46 | GFT | ok getting this error... attempt to index global 'EasyAuctionSumButton' (a nil value) |
| 22:12.52 | Keias | Dave always beeps me :( |
| 22:12.54 | GFT | trying to create a button on the AH frame >..< |
| 22:12.58 | Shirik | GFT then EasyAuctionSumButton doesn't exist |
| 22:13.07 | Shirik | hi Dave |
| 22:13.08 | ScytheBlade1 | GFT: does the AH frame exist? |
| 22:13.22 | foxlit | Zurik: Because people advocating lua frames are not productive :) |
| 22:13.24 | GFT | yes, it loads the addon on load with the AH frame |
| 22:13.30 | Duman | jeez |
| 22:13.37 | Duman | wotlk infoz already |
| 22:13.41 | Duman | http://wotlk.wikidot.com/ |
| 22:13.43 | GFT | i've tried like 40 different ways in order to get this damn button to work, looking at other addons and whatnot and it's not working.. |
| 22:13.48 | Shirik | GFT: Pastey your TOC |
| 22:13.50 | GFT | pissing me off >..< |
| 22:13.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Then your frame is defined wrong |
| 22:13.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Duman: zzz old news ;) |
| 22:14.10 | foxlit | Duman: clearly fake, Blizzard could never design something that makes so much sense. |
| 22:14.13 | Zurik | Shirik, you are too smart for me.. cuz i have no idea what that ment. |
| 22:14.17 | GFT | http://pastebin.com/m38b36726 |
| 22:14.20 | Zurik | lol |
| 22:14.22 | Duman | heh |
| 22:14.22 | GFT | there is my TOC |
| 22:14.41 | Shirik | hm, looks ok |
| 22:15.06 | Xuerian | Hirsute: Haha, I like this guy |
| 22:15.07 | GFT | ive tried everything from using the XML to load a button, to strictly lua to load a butotn... to using both to do it |
| 22:15.19 | GFT | and nothing works.. though there are other addons that can add buttons to it easily |
| 22:15.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Something tells me that your XML is defined incorrectly. Check Logs\FrameXML.log. |
| 22:15.23 | Shirik | I have to go eat but if you're still having trouble when I get back |
| 22:15.29 | Shirik | I agree with what ScytheBlade1 said |
| 22:15.39 | GFT | yet when I try to mimick it, nothing works |
| 22:15.43 | GFT | kk let me go check |
| 22:16.04 | GFT | 5/20 17:12:20.380 Couldn't parse XML in Interface\AddOns\EasyBuyout\EasyAuctionSum.xml |
| 22:16.07 | GFT | ok so.. |
| 22:16.07 | GFT | hrm |
| 22:16.09 | GFT | let me post my XML |
| 22:16.18 | ScytheBlade1 | So your XML is wrong. Validate it agains the XSD if you can. |
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| 22:17.08 | foxlit | Don't even validate it against the XSD |
| 22:17.11 | GFT | hrm I think i might of found it.. |
| 22:17.12 | GFT | hold on |
| 22:17.14 | foxlit | Open it in some browser |
| 22:17.18 | foxlit | It'll tell you the tags that mismatched |
| 22:17.26 | ScytheBlade1 | That too |
| 22:17.28 | GFT | nope nvm |
| 22:17.32 | GFT | ok hold on |
| 22:18.17 | GFT | opens in my browser fine |
| 22:18.19 | GFT | no errors |
| 22:18.20 | wereHamster | foxlit: probably not when using IE, which will immediately go into WoW-xml-quirks mode and ignore all mismatched tags and whatnot |
| 22:18.37 | GFT | let me jsut post it.. it's not that big of a file |
| 22:18.54 | foxlit | wereHamster: it will work in IE |
| 22:19.03 | foxlit | You'll have to scroll a bit to find the error, but it will print it |
| 22:19.04 | GFT | http://pastebin.com/m51ab6be2 |
| 22:19.08 | GFT | there is my code |
| 22:19.17 | GFT | the rest of the code to attach it to the frames is in the lua |
| 22:19.22 | wereHamster | .. unless you add <meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="WoW=2.4" /> to the top of the xml :P |
| 22:19.37 | cog|work | GFT: save yourself TONS of trouble working with wow xml: http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Set_up_Visual_Studio_for_WoW_XML |
| 22:20.12 | GFT | i just dont understand why it's so difficult to add a button to the AH frame.. |
| 22:20.14 | GFT | srsly |
| 22:20.16 | GFT | hah |
| 22:20.24 | wereHamster | foxlit: btw, how does OneRing come along? |
| 22:20.25 | ScytheBlade1 | GFT: because you typo'd something |
| 22:20.36 | GFT | cog|work the download link is not found |
| 22:20.38 | GFT | on that site |
| 22:20.46 | cog|work | GFT: yeah just realized that |
| 22:20.47 | cog|work | http://www.microsoft.com/express/ |
| 22:20.50 | foxlit | wereHamster: http://www.spirit-dreams.net/or/release/dev2 |
| 22:21.25 | GFT | what is it? |
| 22:21.29 | GFT | i have an XML editor |
| 22:21.30 | GFT | that I use |
| 22:21.41 | cog|work | GFT: and i'm telling you to stop :P |
| 22:21.46 | GFT | and I've designed XML a few dozen times |
| 22:22.14 | wereHamster | foxlit: can I download the new version at the /getdevbeta link? |
| 22:22.27 | GFT | ok cog|work can we try to figure out how to add it via the LUA? |
| 22:22.27 | krka | GFT: Lua is not an acronym. It is a Portuguese word that means moon. |
| 22:22.35 | foxlit | No yet |
| 22:22.45 | cog|work | GFT: unless you paid hundreds of dollars for your XML editor, it can't do half the things Visual Studio can. The autocomplete based on the schema is pure secks |
| 22:23.00 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work: xmlbuddy for eclipse ;) |
| 22:23.06 | wereHamster | foxlit: this is a really cool addon :) |
| 22:23.16 | cog|work | ScytheBlade1: that must be new then :P |
| 22:23.19 | GFT | god this whole language is screwed up haha |
| 22:23.21 | GFT | grr |
| 22:23.52 | cog|work | 'cause no one ever brought it up when i mentioned it before |
| 22:23.55 | cog|work | :P |
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| 22:24.12 | GFT | doing it the lua file wont work.. doing it in xml wont work.. |
| 22:24.41 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work: it took me quite some digging to find |
| 22:24.42 | foxlit | wereHamster: any luck with getting the current beta version to work? |
| 22:24.50 | foxlit | I is trolling for feedback |
| 22:25.05 | cog|work | GFT: it will work, you're just doing something wrong :P |
| 22:25.21 | cog|work | unfortunately i don't have the resources to devote to looking at your code to figure out why atm. |
| 22:25.31 | GFT | well i've tried ot mimick 2-3 different addons that are very simple and easy to follow.. then when I add it to mine it never works |
| 22:25.59 | ScytheBlade1 | GFT: link me your XML again? |
| 22:26.13 | GFT | http://pastebin.com/m51ab6be2 |
| 22:26.19 | foxlit | psst clad|sleep cog|work: online WoW XML validator, go. |
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| 22:26.24 | GFT | that's it currently.. i dont care how I get a button up there. i just want a button |
| 22:26.47 | GFT | there is other code in that lua file that it uses to attach it to the frame |
| 22:26.51 | GFT | found that with another mod |
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| 22:27.43 | GFT | wait. i got the error to go away.. |
| 22:27.44 | bleetah | oO beta.worldofwarcraft.com doesn't 403 anymore |
| 22:27.45 | GFT | :o |
| 22:27.49 | wereHamster | foxlit: version 0.1? |
| 22:27.53 | foxlit | Yes |
| 22:27.53 | GFT | but sitll no button.. |
| 22:28.09 | cog|work | bleetah: welcome to yesterday :P |
| 22:28.22 | foxlit | I did something fun to the website |
| 22:28.30 | bleetah | cog|work: you're in yesterday, I'm in today.. that you get me the news two whole days late, isn't my fault :P |
| 22:28.33 | wereHamster | foxlit: I tested it with a lvl21 warrior, because I only have lvl70 priest and warlock, and in my brief tests it worked |
| 22:29.06 | foxlit | It now stores parsed versions of URL contents in a sqlite database, works out to about 10-200 times faster than accessing them directly. |
| 22:29.26 | foxlit | Unfortunately, that also means I've locked myself out of updating it :( |
| 22:29.26 | ScytheBlade1 | GFT: it validates fine.. but that doesn't mean it has everything that it needs. What does your framexml.log say? |
| 22:29.52 | GFT | zomg :o... think I got it working |
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| 22:30.29 | foxlit | I should stop being lazy and write something universal already :( |
| 22:30.32 | cog|work | foxlit: someone should add a feature to a bot to validate xml in a pastey |
| 22:30.44 | cog|work | imo |
| 22:30.46 | wereHamster | foxlit: like a wiki :) |
| 22:31.06 | GFT | thank god... |
| 22:31.08 | GFT | hah |
| 22:31.40 | cog|work | GFT: you didn't anchor it to anything |
| 22:31.47 | foxlit | Dunno, working it into a website would give you banner revenue |
| 22:31.53 | foxlit | But np, something to look at :0 |
| 22:31.56 | GFT | no, the part I had in my lua file needed, for some reason to be in a function, not in the general body of the file |
| 22:32.06 | GFT | so I had to have the XML onload teh load function for the button attributes |
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| 22:32.25 | wereHamster | foxlit: is there a guide how to write custom rings? |
| 22:33.04 | foxlit | http://spirit-dreams.net/or/api/plug-ins |
| 22:33.13 | foxlit | and http://spirit-dreams.net/or/api/props |
| 22:35.54 | bleetah | foxlit: saw that the other day, thought it was intriguing. my immediate thought was a ring for tracking stuff |
| 22:36.22 | foxlit | Mm, that's certainly an option |
| 22:36.32 | foxlit | There's quite a few of those, though, so finding things might be easier in a list |
| 22:37.02 | bleetah | my hunter's tracking dropdown in the default UI is disgustingly long ;) |
| 22:38.07 | Nechckn | bleetah what would you track, the rancher so that you can avoid the shears and keep you soft, fuzzy coat for the year? |
| 22:38.29 | bleetah | foxes near the chookhouse |
| 22:38.53 | Nechckn | =) |
| 22:39.06 | Xuerian | foxlit: When I was messing with making a target marking ring, I obviously ended up with a workable ring. Very sensible plugin api, grats on that =) |
| 22:39.19 | Xuerian | (even if it doesn't mark the target, yet >_>) |
| 22:39.34 | GFT | finally got it working.. hah |
| 22:39.36 | foxlit | Oh, I suppose you caught me there |
| 22:39.52 | foxlit | There's no proper way to say "get stuffed with your secure actions, I want you to call this function" |
| 22:40.08 | Xuerian | Yeah, that'd make things easier =| |
| 22:40.18 | GFT | thanks ScytheBlade1, cog|work and Shirik |
| 22:40.36 | foxlit | You could abuse preClick, I suppose, but that's slightly suboptimal |
| 22:41.03 | Xuerian | I had been comparing it to GnomeCharmer, but I still don't grasp how it caches the target (Probably because I barely read it) |
| 22:42.09 | Xuerian | foxlit: What would be great, would be for the parent securepie to have its own "target" attribute so you could use it over unitframes or units in the game world. It wouldn't automate anything, but it'd give context |
| 22:42.12 | Zurik | can anyone tell me what's wrong with this line of code? |
| 22:42.13 | Zurik | http://pastebin.com/d4548e897 |
| 22:42.41 | Xuerian | Can't secure dropdown menus do that? (Do they even exist, I seem to recall discussion on them) |
| 22:42.43 | foxlit | It's missing an end bracket |
| 22:43.01 | Xuerian | SetScript( isn't closed, like foxlit says :p |
| 22:43.16 | Zurik | awh.. thanks! |
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| 22:48.40 | aestil | foxlit: i was sent to ask you about onering [new name pending] |
| 22:48.50 | Xuerian | foxlit: You think blizz would object to that? Though I guess the pie menu could be left open for a extended amount of time, leaving the user with actionbar that they shouldn't be able to use... |
| 22:49.17 | foxlit | aestil: Ask away :) |
| 22:50.00 | aestil | will it do aspects and traps like autobar does? |
| 22:50.00 | foxlit | Xuerian: I think the issue is that the current unit API would not allow you to implement what you want even if you could write secure code |
| 22:50.10 | foxlit | Traps! |
| 22:50.15 | foxlit | Missed those |
| 22:50.16 | aestil | similar to a totem bar mod like numen? |
| 22:50.21 | Xuerian | aestil: Sprocket |
| 22:50.23 | foxlit | Aspects are there already |
| 22:50.25 | aestil | but customizeable for hunters? |
| 22:50.27 | Xuerian | foxlit: Yeah :( |
| 22:50.29 | foxlit | well, "already" already |
| 22:50.50 | aestil | sprocket? |
| 22:50.53 | Xuerian | nevermind |
| 22:50.54 | Xuerian | >_> |
| 22:50.57 | Xuerian | Listen to foxlit. |
| 22:51.06 | foxlit | So the problem isn't so much the protection API as allowing you to lock units arbitrarely at some point. |
| 22:51.16 | foxlit | Having said that, write up a proposal, post it somewhere |
| 22:51.44 | Xuerian | foxlit: Good idea. Will do, if I can't figure something out. |
| 22:52.10 | wereHamster | foxlit: where from did you get the spell names (such as Ability_Warrior_OffensiveStance etc)? |
| 22:52.11 | foxlit | Unit GUIDs could be allowed to specify action targets |
| 22:52.33 | foxlit | wereHamster: They're not spell names as such - it's the file name of the icon texture in the spell book |
| 22:53.15 | foxlit | You can generally look those up on any DB site / wowwiki; also, GetSpellTexture("Spell Name" or [possibly?] other identifiers) |
| 22:53.50 | GFT | what do I lookup to do colored text? |
| 22:53.51 | foxlit | If GUIDs could be used to specify targets, one could then add a "set (this button)'s target to the GUID of (unit)" |
| 22:53.53 | GFT | in the chatframe |
| 22:53.56 | Xuerian | foxlit: That's probably in the same vein as what vharr pointed out in #wowace a few minutes ago; blizz won't allow retrieving unit status via guid because they want us restricted to existing units (and focus) for actions - Or, more succinctly, so we can't constantly monitor units that no one is interacting with |
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| 22:54.23 | foxlit | There's a slight difference between allowing you to target by GUID and allowing you to fetch data by GUID |
| 22:55.09 | foxlit | I don't see a game-breaking issue in being able to click on someone in the world, having a menu pop up, and you selecting an action from that menu |
| 22:56.02 | Xuerian | foxlit: Neither do I, it makes sense, really... But the immediate exploitable action I can think of is not immediately using the menu, but leaving it to be used at a later point (Anywhere from say 30 seconds to who knows how long). Again, though, worth posting about |
| 22:56.49 | alestane | You can build a menu like that using mouseover, but triggering it by clicking on the mob raised some issues with bindings. |
| 22:57.23 | alestane | I believe it should be possible now with a little state work. |
| 22:57.23 | Xuerian | alestane: Elaborate? |
| 22:57.42 | Xuerian | alestane: I'll admit I'm a utter noob at secure frames/states, so I could well be missing something blindingly simple |
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| 22:58.49 | alestane | Well, if you make a frame that has several secure buttons with "useparent-unit" set, and the frame has a unit of "mouseover", then you can set it up to appear by the cursor when triggered. |
| 22:59.46 | Xuerian | alestane: That sounds like what I want to do about unitframes, is there anything like that for simply mousing over units in the gameworld that you know of? |
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| 23:00.06 | alestane | The main headache comes into play when the mouse is over that frame, since the frame refers to the mouseover unit, which is defined as whichever avatar or secure unit frame the cursor is positioned over, and I don't recall whether the resulting fedback loop rips the universe apart or not. |
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| 23:00.19 | Xuerian | (If you've played NWN, I loved the Radial menu and miss its functionality) |
| 23:00.42 | alestane | But you have to activate it from something the game considers a key press. |
| 23:01.42 | alestane | I'm pushing for an action button to be able to act as an anchor to show other frames on certain clicks, but thus far it hasn't happened. |
| 23:01.50 | cog|work | Xuerian: chapter 26 of the book implements a simple radial popup. doesn't work on the world frame though, as alestane has suggested would be difficult |
| 23:02.08 | wereHamster | foxlit: One issue so far: it doesn't seem to find my mounts |
| 23:02.25 | foxlit | wereHamster: /dump OneRing.xls:FindMount(true); |
| 23:02.49 | wereHamster | foxlit: swift gray ram |
| 23:03.14 | foxlit | Aha, and which ring are we talking about? |
| 23:03.51 | wereHamster | I took the warrior stance ring as a template and modified it to my priest. basically only changed the spell names (i="...") |
| 23:03.59 | Xuerian | alestane, cog|work: Thanks for the info. alestane: Is there ongoing discussion or just been ignored? cog|work: arg books, my mortal enemies |
| 23:04.11 | wereHamster | mr.lmount and mr.fmount are both nil |
| 23:04.30 | foxlit | You might be better off with copying for example the shaman weapons template |
| 23:04.42 | foxlit | Stances was relatively early |
| 23:05.01 | wereHamster | it doesn't have mount though |
| 23:05.02 | cog|work | Xuerian: http://wowprogramming.com/chapters/26 |
| 23:05.09 | cog|work | download UnitActionPopup.zip |
| 23:05.18 | alestane | The anchor question? Was brought up a while ago, been lying by the wayside since then. But I've been discussing secure frames stuff with other MVPs recently so it might be time to bring it up again...once we get the state header thing out of the way anyway. |
| 23:05.21 | GFT | where are there good color codes for wow text? |
| 23:05.31 | GFT | i am using |cffee2222 for red |
| 23:05.36 | GFT | but that's from another mod |
| 23:05.38 | Corrodias | yellow is the only good color. |
| 23:05.44 | Xuerian | cog|work: Awesome. :D |
| 23:05.50 | wereHamster | foxlit: UnitLevel(40) returns 0 here |
| 23:05.57 | Xuerian | alestane: Hope it goes through |
| 23:06.11 | Shirik | GFT: "Good" is a subjective term |
| 23:06.16 | foxlit | wereHamster: good point! |
| 23:06.26 | Xuerian | GFT: Learn to make them in your head |
| 23:06.30 | GFT | heh |
| 23:06.36 | GFT | ok a "good list of" |
| 23:06.40 | wereHamster | foxlit: works now :) |
| 23:06.43 | GFT | or way to find the colors |
| 23:06.48 | Xuerian | seriously, once you can think in hex you just mix them up easy :P |
| 23:06.49 | cog|work | if you can't follow it then get the book :P |
| 23:07.00 | Xuerian | cog|work: Example is great :P |
| 23:07.07 | GFT | ok well normal color codes are 6 characters |
| 23:07.09 | GFT | and I know those |
| 23:07.15 | GFT | but these are more than 6 |
| 23:07.20 | Xuerian | GFT: Separate it, |c ff (alpha) xx (red) xx (green) xx (blue) |
| 23:07.40 | Xuerian | from 00 to ff, which is 0-9 continuing with a-f |
| 23:07.51 | GFT | i know general hex color codes |
| 23:07.56 | Xuerian | Well that's all they are |
| 23:07.57 | Xuerian | :p |
| 23:08.06 | GFT | but |cffee2222 has more than the set amount |
| 23:08.10 | GFT | unless the mod I got it from is useless |
| 23:08.18 | GFT | so I get |c ff ee 22 22 |
| 23:08.22 | Xuerian | ff is the alpha |
| 23:08.28 | Xuerian | it's a eight digit code not six :p |
| 23:08.30 | GFT | ok.. |
| 23:08.35 | Xuerian | as in transparency? |
| 23:08.35 | GFT | thats what was confusing |
| 23:08.46 | Xuerian | 00 would be invisible, ff is fully visible |
| 23:09.01 | foxlit | It's completely ignored in |c, though |
| 23:09.07 | Xuerian | So just put ff >_> |
| 23:09.56 | Zurik | I am Epic Fail: I can't get tabs to work.. am i just doing it all wrong? |
| 23:09.57 | Zurik | http://pastebin.com/d20fa2a8c |
| 23:10.11 | Zurik | 1: the button width doesn't even set properly. |
| 23:10.44 | Zurik | 2: i get this error: Interface\FrameXML\UIPanelTemplates.lua:18: 'for' limit must be a number: |
| 23:11.28 | aestil | so, there isn't currently any sort of totem bar mod made for hunters? |
| 23:12.21 | Xuerian | aestil: I think Fizzwidget (gah what's his name) has some on WoWi |
| 23:12.31 | Lopeppeppy | Gazmik Fizzwidget |
| 23:12.37 | foxlit | aestil: I'm done with those plug ins, but they're not up anywhere yet |
| 23:12.38 | Xuerian | Yeah that :P |
| 23:12.54 | Xuerian | aestil: Patience, young one. The grand illumination of the Ring shall be upon you shortly |
| 23:12.56 | Lopeppeppy | He's a gnome. I know my gnomes. |
| 23:13.26 | Hirsute | Isn't he a goblin? |
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| 23:19.27 | Xuerian | Hirsute: He is, but he's short and green. They look a lot alike |
| 23:19.32 | Xuerian | :p |
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| 23:27.48 | Harrigan | Does Cosmos work with Vista without having to do all that stuff in the old Vista thread yet because that's a lot of steps and I don't quite know if I wouldn't screw that up somehow... |
| 23:28.22 | wereHamster | I believe you need Service Pack 1 :-/ |
| 23:28.25 | Lopeppeppy | A goblin couldn't do such useful things. *snobbery* |
| 23:29.10 | Harrigan | where do I get SP1? |
| 23:29.33 | Lopeppeppy | Windows website? |
| 23:29.48 | wereHamster | btw, I was just kidding |
| 23:30.13 | wereHamster | I don't know nothing about Vista, I don't even want to know |
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| 23:33.56 | Guillotin1 | ~staple me |
| 23:33.56 | purl | ACTION attaches a staple gun to a pneumatic nail gun via duct tape, staples guillotin1 quite well, and hands guillotin1 to guillotin1 |
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| 23:34.24 | Xuerian | o_0 |
| 23:34.40 | wereHamster | hm.. purl actually translates 'me' to your own nick? |
| 23:35.20 | Guillotine | wereHamster: yup |
| 23:35.38 | wereHamster | how about if someone has 'Me' as his nick? |
| 23:35.42 | Harrigan | Does Cosmos work with Vista without having to do all that stuff in the old Vista thread yet because that's a lot of steps and I don't quite know if I wouldn't screw that up somehow... |
| 23:36.22 | Xuerian | ... |
| 23:36.25 | Xuerian | protip: |
| 23:36.39 | Xuerian | Don't ask a question again if people obviously don't know the answer |
| 23:36.56 | Xuerian | protip+: Don't copy-pasta it if you are forced to ignore protip1 |
| 23:37.47 | kd3|hate`net | whee, tornado warning |
| 23:39.02 | MentalPower | O.O |
| 23:39.06 | Xuerian | 0_o |
| 23:39.13 | Xuerian | Well I was going to mention panties but he left |
| 23:39.30 | foxlit | Hah, fun |
| 23:39.39 | foxlit | php's user abort may kill sqlite in the middle of a write operation |
| 23:40.08 | Harrigan | Xurian Guillotine was not in the channel when I asked so I thought he might know and you have the right to ignore me as I do you |
| 23:41.38 | wereHamster | do you really want to repeat your question after each join because the new person might possibly know the answer? |
| 23:41.46 | Xuerian | Harrigan: Then you might've been wise to ping Guillotine, otherwise, it looks like you're addressing the whole channel :) |
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| 23:44.46 | Harrigan | excuse me xuerian i have a call atm, be with you in one moment |
| 23:45.44 | bleeter | Guillotine: btw, I just /part'ed, if they're not prepared to be held publically open and accountable, I don't want anything to do with the channel ;) |
| 23:45.59 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: o_0 |
| 23:46.11 | Xuerian | 0_o |
| 23:46.20 | wereHamster | flamewar? in which channel? |
| 23:46.22 | Xuerian | Harrigan: Don't worry about it... |
| 23:46.41 | bleeter | #wowcsf, we asked for purl for logs and factoid usage... no to the logs, no to the factoids |
| 23:46.50 | bleeter | so say the # ops |
| 23:46.53 | bleeter | so... screwem |
| 23:47.04 | wereHamster | what's csf? |
| 23:47.21 | bleeter | and attempt by the US Customer Service Forum regulars to have an IRC channel |
| 23:47.34 | ScytheBlade1 | That'll go places! |
| 23:47.36 | ScytheBlade1 | (Not really) |
| 23:47.41 | wereHamster | wtf? since how long does that channel exist? |
| 23:47.44 | bleeter | took me over a year to get them to move from quakenet to freenode |
| 23:47.55 | bleeter | wereHamster: on freenode, about a week... been on quacknet for ages |
| 23:48.12 | bleeter | had been telling them to move here for 'integration' like stuff with other wow related #'s |
| 23:48.46 | bleeter | I guess I shoulda just started it up here myself ;) |
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| 23:48.56 | wereHamster | and the ops there are real cms? |
| 23:49.07 | bleeter | nah, just regulars from the forum |
| 23:49.09 | bleeter | no blues |
| 23:49.14 | Vindi | ohai |
| 23:49.28 | bleeter | I doubt they'd visit unlogged, too |
| 23:50.57 | wereHamster | so is the channel useful at all? |
| 23:51.25 | bleeter | wereHamster: insofar as being able to discuss topics from the forum that'd be moderated to hell and back if we discussed them there, yes |
| 23:51.56 | ScytheBlade1 | I should suddenly idle there... |
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| 23:52.56 | bleeter | oh damn, now I feel left out |
| 23:53.06 | bleeter | didn't even get a warning email from blizz for stuff I didn't do >< |
| 23:53.15 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 23:53.15 | foxlit | "Certain types of vehicles and mounts can now carry passengers, making it possible for players to, for example, break a prisoner out of a tightly guarded compound by attempting a daring escape on horseback. " |
| 23:53.40 | wereHamster | wlotk? |
| 23:53.43 | bleeter | foxlit: read something like that, sounded interesting |
| 23:53.47 | Xuerian | foxlit: "Vehicle" and "Horseback" are not promising to my "Only engineers can make vehicles (boe, of course)" theory |
| 23:54.05 | foxlit | Which'll promptly fail as the a nearby Skettis Monsterous Kalibri appears out of nowhere and dazes your mount to shreds |
| 23:54.11 | Xuerian | We need a marketable good >:( |
| 23:54.15 | Xuerian | Hahah |
| 23:54.18 | bleeter | Xuerian: is it just my main's realm, or is every 2nd bastard you pass these days an engi? |
| 23:54.29 | Xuerian | foxlit: NOW the druid mount point makes sense! |
| 23:54.34 | Harrigan | ok let me try a different approach, does someone with Vista on their system also have Cosmos installed? Please PM |
| 23:54.51 | Xuerian | bleeter: I've been a engineer since I started leveling my main. He's got 3k hours now >_> |
| 23:55.25 | bleeter | Xuerian: my 2nd was created as an engi to supply arrows to my main, combined time's over 200days |
| 23:55.42 | foxlit | That new epic headgear is pretty sweet |
| 23:55.44 | Xuerian | bleeter: Engineering seems to be a popular option for alts though, seeing as you can get the goggles, formerly best-in-slot, at 62 |
| 23:56.04 | foxlit | Pity about set bonuses, although probably still not bad considering 4/8 T6 is required to get those |
| 23:56.05 | Xuerian | As well as all the bombs and such, which I suppose are useful leveling as anything non-druid |
| 23:56.30 | Xuerian | foxlit: Endgame instance drop patterns can DIAF |
| 23:56.33 | foxlit | I play as an enchanter/leatherworker druid |
| 23:56.58 | foxlit | Leatherworking is more or less useless (unless we're talking leg enchants, of which I can make nothing of benefit to myself) |
| 23:57.24 | foxlit | Drums have LW requirements, so it's not really a tradable item |
| 23:57.24 | Xuerian | miner/engineer. Probably one of the worst combinations for a druid - We get our own special mount anyway, we can't use bombs in forms, etc, though the helm is awesome. |
| 23:57.45 | foxlit | Enchanting... well, enchanting is +24 damage, which is what I wanted because skinning was bloody useless past 70 |
| 23:58.10 | Xuerian | Harrigan: Most mods are os-agnostic |
| 23:58.32 | foxlit | I'd probably swap to miner/jewelcrafter |
| 23:58.37 | Xuerian | Harrigan: Browse WoWI or Curse for addons that do what you want |
| 23:58.40 | foxlit | And eventually jewelcrafter/another crafting profession |
| 23:58.53 | Harrigan | explain? |
| 23:58.54 | Xuerian | foxlit: Only problem with that is, for some retarded reason, I *like* being a engineer |
| 23:58.57 | foxlit | keeping gathering skills at 70 seems silly |
| 23:59.09 | foxlit | Xuerian: than someone at blizzard won, at some level. |
| 23:59.13 | bleeter | Harrigan: what's the precise problem? |
| 23:59.21 | foxlit | If you like being an engineer, that's justification enough to be an engineer :) |
| 23:59.27 | Xuerian | I think he wants to replace cosmos, but I'm not sure... |
| 23:59.40 | foxlit | I think he doesn't know how to install mods on Vista |
| 23:59.49 | bleeter | it's vista, so (a) I'm scared (b) largely unknown, but willing to give it a shot |
| 23:59.56 | Xuerian | Oh yeah, there is some retarded folder on vista isn't there |
