| 00:04.16 | Legorol | foxlit: that looks cool |
| 00:05.24 | foxlit | It should, hopefully |
| 00:08.12 | Shirik | so I'm in BT and I get this tell |
| 00:08.15 | Shirik | "LF heals MgT" |
| 00:08.17 | Shirik | that's it |
| 00:08.24 | Shirik | has the community gotten that rude? |
| 00:09.09 | [dRaCo] | foxlit, that's totally hot. |
| 00:10.04 | [dRaCo] | will you release a stable version sometimes soon? |
| 00:10.37 | foxlit | at some point :) |
| 00:11.36 | Xuerian | foxlit: GIEV |
| 00:11.37 | [dRaCo] | anyway, guess I'll give that baby a spin... do you want feedback? |
| 00:11.52 | foxlit | Yes; that page lists ways to reach me |
| 00:12.12 | [dRaCo] | guess I already found you |
| 00:12.17 | [dRaCo] | *dls and installs |
| 00:12.50 | Aita | foxlit: Amazing, I love it. I'll be watching this closely! =) |
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| 00:16.45 | Seerah | foxlit: in FF3, the popups for the screenshots appear on a level below the video frame in the gallery |
| 00:18.05 | foxlit | That probably depends on the flash add on :( |
| 00:18.25 | kergoth | Cairenn: you'll want to kickban BilitronZoram from #wowuidev-commits |
| 00:19.04 | Seerah | but it looks awesome, foxlit :D |
| 00:19.15 | foxlit | I think you can still alt/ctrl click on them to download/open in a tab, not much I can do about flash |
| 00:19.51 | Xuerian | foxlit: You should be able to set a higher z-index o.o.. |
| 00:19.57 | Cairenn | thanks kergoth |
| 00:19.57 | purl | no worries, Cairenn |
| 00:20.02 | [dRaCo] | foxlit: awesome |
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| 00:21.11 | Jimdinventor | Is "/focus none" a synonym for "/clearfocus", or does it fail to do anything? (I cannot check this myself.) |
| 00:22.25 | Seerah | ahh, you can, foxlit. :) thanks :) |
| 00:22.29 | [dRaCo] | "/focus" clears your focus |
| 00:22.52 | Corrodias | /focus is the same as /focus target |
| 00:23.04 | Corrodias | it'll clear it only if you have no target |
| 00:23.04 | Seerah | no clue, Jimdinventor... I always just use /clearfocus or /focus when I have no target selected |
| 00:23.06 | [dRaCo] | yeah |
| 00:23.21 | Jimdinventor | Okay. Thank you (all). :-) |
| 00:24.23 | Xuerian | foxlit: I stand corrected. That's weird |
| 00:24.53 | foxlit | Has to do with the rendering process, and Adobe's support for anything other than IE is... optimistic at best |
| 00:26.05 | Xuerian | =X |
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| 00:28.10 | Iriel | No, it cant |
| 00:28.15 | Iriel | look where Foolish shows up |
| 00:28.40 | Iriel | Hm, wrong channel entirely! |
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| 00:35.28 | Xuerian | foxlit: Guess I'll have to get off my warlock and onto my druid at some point :P |
| 00:35.44 | foxlit | You could try writing something for the warlock? :) |
| 00:36.04 | foxlit | I'm not sure what; could probably make a menu of various summons |
| 00:36.43 | Xuerian | Hmm... |
| 00:38.00 | foxlit | Some of the plug in rings are relatively simple - I'd go for copying shaman weapon buffs as a template :) |
| 00:39.27 | Xuerian | foxlit: Ahh, I see. After food :p |
| 00:42.07 | [dRaCo] | foxlit: any place I could check from time to time to see further development? |
| 00:42.50 | foxlit | That general URL (just /or/) will probably redirect to any potential future url |
| 00:43.01 | [dRaCo] | cool, thanks |
| 00:43.14 | foxlit | There isn't anything formal like a blog at this point, and no RSS in sight - so you're stuck checking that page |
| 00:43.41 | [dRaCo] | and, I guess, you're already on it, but some kind of graphical config for the spells would make this even more awesome |
| 00:44.04 | foxlit | Something I haven't started on, really |
| 00:44.26 | foxlit | I know it'll be nice, but the first release is probably going to happen with the lib in a healthy state and with a number of self-configuring plug ins |
| 00:44.47 | foxlit | Can patch in user configuration later - it opens a minor can of worms with its UI design |
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| 00:45.17 | foxlit | Namely that the UIOptionsFrame UI blocks any other default UI frame from being show, so no logical things like dragging your macros / spells into the config is doable |
| 00:45.28 | foxlit | And I really, really, don't want to put people in front of a textbox. |
| 00:45.42 | ScytheBlade1 | What's the syntax to iterate over all entries in ... again? |
| 00:45.44 | [dRaCo] | figured. checked the druid plugin, it's... huge |
| 00:46.04 | foxlit | 100 lines is small :) |
| 00:46.15 | Xuerian | [dRaCo]: Look over the other plugins - mage, shammy weps - He did things differently in most of them. It makes sense :p |
| 00:46.25 | [dRaCo] | I'm sure it does |
| 00:46.41 | foxlit | ScytheBlade1: select("#", ...) |
| 00:46.48 | [dRaCo] | it's just not as easy as: slot1: spell1; slot2: spell2; ... |
| 00:47.07 | foxlit | Oh, it's as easy as slot1: spell1 |
| 00:47.09 | Xuerian | [dRaCo]: It almost is |
| 00:47.14 | foxlit | It's just that you can't keep it up without localization |
| 00:47.15 | Xuerian | [dRaCo]: Seriously check the shammy wep plugin |
| 00:48.14 | [dRaCo] | well, yeah |
| 00:48.16 | ScytheBlade1 | foxlit: use that in a loop for me? :) |
| 00:48.22 | ScytheBlade1 | foxlit: (sorry, my head is... not right tonight) |
| 00:48.42 | foxlit | ScytheBlade1: for i=1,select("#", ...) do local element = select(i, ...); -- do stuff to element; end |
| 00:48.47 | [dRaCo] | a config like that would be enough, wouldn't it? |
| 00:48.51 | ScytheBlade1 | That's it |
| 00:48.57 | [dRaCo] | enter spell 1, enter color |
| 00:49.23 | ScytheBlade1 | foxlit: thanks |
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| 00:49.42 | foxlit | Generally, it's so simple that |
| 00:50.00 | ScytheBlade1 | foxlit: yeah, I'm just having fun putting 2 and 2 together currently :) |
| 00:50.13 | foxlit | /run OneRing:CreateRing({{"spell", "Mark of the Wild"}, {"spell", "Thorns"}, hotkey="§"}) |
| 00:50.14 | foxlit | will work |
| 00:50.42 | foxlit | er, s/({{/("ringName", {{/ |
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| 00:51.21 | [dRaCo] | will that command save the ring somewhere? |
| 00:51.25 | foxlit | No. |
| 00:51.54 | [dRaCo] | so it'll be gone after a reload? |
| 00:52.46 | foxlit | Yes; ring plug ins may store SVs, but that /run doesn't make for a proper ring plug-in |
| 00:53.04 | foxlit | The run around in ring plug-ins is mostly to make that behave sensibly everywhere: localize the spell name, remove spells that you do not have, provide colors, make sure it updates when you learn new spells, etc |
| 00:53.47 | foxlit | The inevitable conclusion is that someone at some point will write a meta-ring plug in that simply takes the spells and handles things from there - in a way, that's already hapened, as only the top part of the simple plug ins should change |
| 00:54.29 | Xuerian | foxlit: For single-depth rings, a meta-ring plugin seems shockingly simple |
| 00:54.45 | [dRaCo] | wait... multi-tier rings? |
| 00:55.01 | Xuerian | (Don't mind me, draco) |
| 00:55.03 | Xuerian | >_> |
| 00:55.11 | foxlit | It's an entertaining, and probably possible, idea. |
| 00:55.16 | [dRaCo] | ^^ |
| 00:55.30 | Xuerian | The SecurePie template was made for it, iirc |
| 00:55.32 | [dRaCo] | anyway, it's a great addon. |
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| 00:55.49 | foxlit | You'd have to coerce it a bit to actually nest the rings |
| 00:55.55 | foxlit | But Iriel should know how to do that :) |
| 00:55.58 | Furl | I got that crazy stuff working, by the way. |
| 00:56.07 | Xuerian | Haha, make Iriel write it XD |
| 00:56.23 | foxlit | Iriel already wrote it, in some fashion - code is based largely on his demo :) |
| 00:56.28 | Xuerian | :P |
| 00:56.43 | foxlit | (it's really likely that it'll just be setting one of the pie child buttons to be a pie button itself) |
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| 00:57.14 | foxlit | But that replaces press-select-release with press-select-release-select-click |
| 00:57.20 | Iriel | foxlit: I've got some ideas to try and make crazy combinations easier in the future, but nothing on the near horizon. |
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| 00:57.29 | Xuerian | Iriel: We love you |
| 00:57.33 | Xuerian | foxlit: And you |
| 00:57.44 | Xuerian | Cairenn: And you |
| 00:57.50 | Xuerian | (Anyone I'm forgetting? >_>) |
| 00:58.07 | foxlit | Iriel: different action based on distance from center could be interesting |
| 01:00.28 | Xuerian | =D |
| 01:01.25 | foxlit | Something along the lines of :SetAttribute("pieunitdistance", 30); :SetAttribute("pie1child", "0-10:c1d1;11-20:c1d2"); :SetAttribue("piechild-c1d1", button); |
| 01:01.41 | foxlit | I'm happy with what's already there, though, so it's all great :) |
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| 01:03.17 | foxlit | Time to sleep. |
| 01:03.21 | Xuerian | 'night foxlit |
| 01:03.24 | foxlit | perchance to dream... |
| 01:03.29 | [Liquidor] | win: http://www.wowbash.com//images/1185248424.jpg |
| 01:03.33 | Xuerian | (Of more features) |
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| 01:03.40 | Cairenn | night foxlit |
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| 01:03.58 | Cairenn | evening peppy |
| 01:04.07 | Lopeppeppy | Heyo! |
| 01:04.15 | Xuerian | rofl, [Liquidor] |
| 01:05.10 | Cairenn | hahah |
| 01:06.39 | Xuerian | Yay for happy CSRs :P |
| 01:06.55 | Xuerian | or captive... |
| 01:06.57 | Xuerian | Either way :) |
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| 01:23.29 | [Liquidor] | http://www.wowbash.com//images/1183806734.jpg |
| 01:31.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Hahaha. Wow do I fail. |
| 01:32.03 | Kaso | heh |
| 01:32.32 | ScytheBlade1 | So like, first off, I'm sitting in EotS before it begins |
| 01:32.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Go to PM someone, type /afk to make sure I'm not flagged before doing so |
| 01:33.03 | ScytheBlade1 | ... and /afk ouy |
| 01:33.10 | ScytheBlade1 | *out |
| 01:34.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Second, there's a resto druid in a high end guild in my server standing by the BT meeting stone. (Server third, huge server) |
| 01:34.45 | ScytheBlade1 | A resto druid in my guild looks at his spec, can't make heads or tails of it, and asks the guy |
| 01:34.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Then proceeds to talk it up in /g |
| 01:35.19 | ScytheBlade1 | I go to whisper my guildie, "It's fine, I had a friend in Sing who was a resto druid. He /gquit because he said that they sucked so incredibly hard." |
| 01:35.34 | ScytheBlade1 | I totally whispered the wrong druid. Right to the guy whose guild I was talking about. |
| 01:35.44 | Seerah | lol |
| 01:35.48 | Seerah | ~failrik |
| 01:35.49 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 01:43.11 | MentalPower | he's not shirik tho |
| 01:43.15 | MentalPower | ~fail ScytheBlade1 |
| 01:43.16 | purl | ScytheBlade1: FAIL! |
| 01:43.19 | Shirik | wha? |
| 01:43.25 | Shirik | wtf |
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| 01:43.58 | Seerah | I know, MP :P |
| 01:44.21 | Seerah | it's just that failrik is easier to type, and I think he deserved it ;) |
| 01:46.34 | ScytheBlade1 | ~win Seerah |
| 01:46.35 | purl | Congratulations, Seerah! You have won the US presidency! |
| 01:52.28 | Fisker- | ~failrik |
| 01:52.29 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 01:52.48 | Shirik | ... |
| 01:52.50 | Shirik | trying to raid! |
| 01:53.06 | Fisker- | :) |
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| 01:54.09 | Furl | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:58.27 | Guest089 | hi there! i have a quick question...i am a level 48 hunter - how do you increase your mana? |
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| 02:00.09 | Seerah | with items that have Intellect |
| 02:01.04 | Seerah | bah - I missed that he left |
| 02:01.48 | Fisker- | ~failrik |
| 02:01.49 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
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| 02:04.42 | Guest575 | anyone here? |
| 02:04.50 | Shirik | nobody here but us chickens |
| 02:05.07 | Guest575 | can i ask a quick question? |
| 02:05.27 | Guest575 | as a level 48 hunter - how do i increase my mana? |
| 02:05.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Int |
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| 02:06.06 | Guest575 | so armor with better intellect? |
| 02:06.12 | dylanm | Anything with intellect on it, yeah. |
| 02:06.19 | Xuerian | Guest575: Easy |
| 02:06.21 | Xuerian | Wear a dres |
| 02:06.24 | Xuerian | dress, even |
| 02:06.45 | dylanm | There are some talents that will improve your usage... the second-tier one in marksmanship, for example. |
| 02:07.05 | Guest575 | cool |
| 02:07.27 | Guest575 | thank you dont know if this is the right forum to ask that kind of question or not |
| 02:07.27 | purl | Guest575: gern geschehen |
| 02:08.03 | Xuerian | purl: Shut up |
| 02:08.04 | purl | yes, master xuerian |
| 02:08.12 | Xuerian | Purl: Good bot. |
| 02:08.12 | purl | thanks, Xuerian |
| 02:08.58 | Xuerian | Guest575: Probably not for regular off-topic questions, but if we're not actively talking about anything it doesn't hurt :p |
| 02:09.21 | Guest575 | thank you - is there one for that? |
| 02:09.21 | purl | pas de quoi, Guest575 |
| 02:09.26 | Seerah | Guest575: and I had answered you, but you had already left :P |
| 02:09.38 | Guest575 | oh thank you = i got stuck |
| 02:09.43 | Seerah | there's #wowwiki, too |
| 02:09.59 | Seerah | and purl's been a little more vocal lately - has she been tweaked? |
| 02:10.02 | Xuerian | Dammit |
| 02:10.06 | Xuerian | purl: SHut up, really |
| 02:11.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Entirely offtopic: Anyone know of a *nix utility which will send "data" from point A to point B? ie, streams of null characters, just to benchmark line quality and speed |
| 02:11.55 | MentalPower | Seerah, Xuerian: the infobot maintainers know, they're waiting for purl's owner to reload her I think |
| 02:12.18 | MentalPower | commandline? |
| 02:12.23 | Xuerian | MentalPower: It's fun to abuse her anyway :P |
| 02:12.28 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 02:12.49 | MentalPower | ScytheBlade1: could try netcat (nc) if you have access to both points |
| 02:13.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Looks like this is clearing up now, actually |
| 02:32.47 | ScytheBlade1 | MentalPower: I take that back. Can I limit netcat to 5kB/sec? |
| 02:33.04 | MentalPower | I have no clue |
| 02:33.09 | ScytheBlade1 | heh, k |
| 02:33.13 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll poke around, thanks |
| 02:34.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Actually, I know who I should ask! |
| 02:35.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Duman: ping! Looking to establish a 5kB/sec connection from one IP to another. The actual data is irrelevant. Any suggestions? :) |
| 02:35.32 | Cairenn | just FYI, WoWI's SVNs are now live: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16361 |
| 02:36.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: you're no hardcore techie, so I have to forgive you, but your grammar is horrendous there. :) |
| 02:36.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: ie, "WoWI now offers SVN" (not SVNs) |
| 02:37.11 | ScytheBlade1 | "What is svn?" instead of "an svn" |
| 02:37.20 | Shirik | yeah he's kinda right, sorry I didn't check it / |
| 02:38.00 | ScytheBlade1 | It's really just nitpicking, and again I have to forgive you for it, but yeah :) |
| 02:38.06 | Cairenn | fixed, thanks |
| 02:38.09 | Apoco | Cairenn wtf is with everyone having their own svns now |
| 02:38.15 | Apoco | CurseForge, WoWAce, WoWI |
| 02:38.17 | Apoco | -_- |
| 02:38.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Apoco: it's the new hip thing to do! |
| 02:38.41 | dylanm | Cairenn: Look at you just mentioning it like it's a little thing. |
| 02:40.05 | Seerah | that was my fault, scytheblade1 >< |
| 02:40.25 | ScytheBlade1 | No worries |
| 02:40.31 | Seerah | and, actually, we have had this in the works for quite some time now |
| 02:40.38 | Seerah | it's just hard to do much with only one programmer ;) |
| 02:40.43 | ScytheBlade1 | hehe, yeah |
| 02:40.59 | Cairenn | we've had this in the works for months now |
| 02:41.18 | ScytheBlade1 | brb, beating my router/modem into submission (OR ELSE) |
| 02:44.57 | durcyn | Cairenn: public checkout URIs? :/ |
| 02:45.21 | Cairenn | durcyn: you're asking entirely the wrong person, I don't know from SVN |
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| 03:02.14 | ScytheBlade1 | It's that time again! |
| 03:02.17 | ScytheBlade1 | TIME TO HATE ON COMCAST! |
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| 03:04.00 | MentalPower | ScytheBlade1: seen Vuze's analysis on RST packet use by ISPs? |
| 03:04.12 | MentalPower | s/use/injection/ |
| 03:05.36 | ScytheBlade1 | MentalPower: I connected my modem right to my desktop... and I have about four connections outbound now |
| 03:05.39 | ScytheBlade1 | New IP |
| 03:06.40 | batrick | anyone know if it's worth upgrading 7.10 (ubuntu) server to 8.04 |
| 03:06.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Getting packetloss, not nuked connections |
| 03:07.52 | Shadowed | Seerah: Just a little note but "It also taps into SharedMedia if you have that installed.", since LSM is a library it's always installed if they use the nameplates addon :p |
| 03:09.24 | durcyn | LibSharedMedia != SharedMedia |
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| 03:10.07 | Shadowed | whats the difference? |
| 03:10.11 | Seerah | thank you, durcyn |
| 03:10.11 | purl | no worries, Seerah |
| 03:10.26 | Seerah | LSM is the library, SharedMedia is storage |
| 03:10.30 | Shadowed | eh? |
| 03:10.43 | Shadowed | Well thats something I haven't heard before |
| 03:10.51 | Seerah | technically, Nameplates taps into LSM, which in turn, taps into SharedMedia |
| 03:11.21 | Xinhuan | one is the lib that handles the media |
| 03:11.29 | Xinhuan | the other is the actual media, that it registers to the lib |
| 03:11.35 | Xinhuan | so that all other addons can use it |
| 03:11.49 | Seerah | SharedMedia (along with all of the SharedMedia derivatives, like my SharedMedia-Blizzard) is storage for media like extra bar textures, sounds, fonts, etc |
| 03:11.55 | durcyn | SharedMedia is a LibSharedMedia client, it provides a bunch of default media and registers it with all installed versions of LibSharedMedia |
| 03:12.29 | Seerah | MyMedia is inside SharedMedia, which allows you to add your own custom media to it as well |
| 03:12.29 | durcyn | the naming is, at best, dumb. |
| 03:13.19 | Shadowed | I see, I stand corrected then |
| 03:13.46 | Seerah | :) |
| 03:14.01 | Shadowed | and yes, the naming is aweful it sounds like |
| 03:14.57 | Xinhuan | doesn't help there's like 3 libs and 2 media versions either |
| 03:15.06 | Shadowed | yes! |
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| 03:31.04 | Kemayo | The wowi svn seems to generate zips awkwardly -- no addon folder inside the zip. |
| 03:33.56 | Cairenn | any problems you find, please post 'em: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16362 :) |
| 03:34.04 | Shirik | are you sure about that? |
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| 03:34.39 | Kemayo | Shirik: Yup. |
| 03:34.46 | Kemayo | Shirik: I just tried it with OpenAll. |
| 03:34.50 | Shirik | hm |
| 03:34.54 | Dolby | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/faq.php?faq=svn#faq_release (read the bottom of Creating a release) |
| 03:35.11 | Dolby | This will package everything in your /trunk and push it out as a release. If you want to put your files directly in /trunk (/trunk/AddonName.toc instead of /trunk/AddonName/AddonName.toc), you can set the "wowi:dirname" svn property on the trunk directory. This will force the packager to put all the files in /trunk into a folder with the name you specified. |
| 03:35.12 | Dolby | 1. svn propset wowi:dirname "AddonName" trunk/ |
| 03:35.12 | Dolby | 2. svn commit |
| 03:35.45 | Kemayo | Ah, right at the bottom of the faq! |
| 03:35.52 | Dolby | hehe |
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| 03:41.26 | Kemayo | Does the zipper handle svn:externals, if you wanted to use them for libs from another repo? |
| 03:41.46 | MentalPower | I believe it does |
| 03:42.16 | Iriel | That sounds incredibly dangerous |
| 03:42.49 | Dolby | i dont know, cl ad would know that |
| 03:45.12 | MentalPower | So I did some research and out of the most popular AddOn projects the progression on SVN usage is the following: Cosmos (non-public still), Auctioneer (04-2005), WoWAce (04-2006), WoWI (05-2008), CurseForge (TBR) |
| 03:47.49 | Cairenn | we've had it on our plate forever, just with only Dolby to do all our coding, took time for it to happen |
| 03:47.54 | Cairenn | glad we've finally got it out :) |
| 03:48.49 | Kemayo | I think curseforge is supposed to go live tomorrow. |
| 04:10.45 | batrick | Anyone know what's the best way to avoid legality issues involved with having other developers work on your project? |
| 04:14.55 | MentalPower | batrick: either use an OSS license, or make them sign a (c) release form |
| 04:16.18 | batrick | Ya I thought about the latter, I'll try to find a form online that's good |
| 04:17.01 | MentalPower | the two can be used at the same time, the FSF does that |
| 04:26.31 | Mikk | ~cookie Cairenn |
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| 04:32.02 | Cairenn | purl, welcome back |
| 04:32.03 | purl | Good to see you, back! |
| 04:32.09 | Cairenn | :p |
| 04:32.20 | Mikk | ~cookie Cairenn |
| 04:32.23 | MentalPower | thanks |
| 04:32.28 | MentalPower | yay! |
| 04:32.31 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 04:32.43 | Mikk | ~cookie Cairenn |
| 04:32.44 | Cairenn | thank you TimRiker! |
| 04:32.48 | Mikk | Meh |
| 04:32.51 | MentalPower | hi |
| 04:32.58 | Cairenn | purl, give mikk a cookie |
| 04:32.59 | purl | ACTION gives mikk a home-baked sugar cookie to cheer him up. |
| 04:33.03 | MentalPower | thank you indeed TimRiker! |
| 04:33.22 | Cairenn | (He isn't actually here, but he will hopefully see the thanks in purl's logs ;) ) |
| 04:33.36 | Cairenn | so very glad purl is fixed |
| 04:34.10 | Mikk | oohhh monosaccharides |
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| 05:07.55 | Seerah | oooh, I just used the svn to push my latest version of Broadcaster :) |
| 05:08.06 | Seerah | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:08.16 | Cairenn | :) |
| 05:08.32 | Lopeppeppy | Yay! |
| 05:10.53 | Seerah | night all :) |
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| 06:36.19 | Tem | "Aren't you a little fat to be a storm trooper? " |
| 06:36.29 | Tem | "well then stay here and rot, you stuck up bitch" |
| 06:37.18 | Corrodias | hahah. |
| 06:37.29 | MentalPower | congratulations Tem, you win the random award |
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| 06:49.08 | *** topic/#WoWUIDev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 2.4.x ToC: 20400 | #WoWUIDev-commits : A place to watch active development of World of Warcraft addons. Multiple Sites' CIA & JIRA bots reporting | WoW programming book http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob | "well then stay here and rot, you stuck up bitch" - Tem |
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| 06:58.58 | MentalPower | ~fortune |
| 06:58.59 | purl | i heard fortune is a kickass app available for Linux. Packages are in OZ and http://frob.us/modules.php?name=Fortune lets you use fortune over the web. |
| 06:59.27 | Diskmaster | s/OZ/portage/ or s/OZ/every package manager ever/ |
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| 07:00.09 | MentalPower | ~factinfo fortune |
| 07:00.09 | purl | fortune -- created by sheenmaster <~sheenmast@Morristown-68-118-103-87.chartertn.net> at Thu Feb 13 01:27:21 2003 (1922 days); it has been requested 34 times, last by MentalPower, 1m 10s ago. |
| 07:00.19 | MentalPower | Diskmaster: ^^^^ |
| 07:00.28 | MentalPower | note the creation date |
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| 07:00.46 | Diskmaster | hahaha |
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| 07:01.25 | MentalPower | also note that the URL for web-based fortune doesn't work anymore |
| 07:22.06 | Fisker- | http://i28.tinypic.com/30rogaq.jpg <-i do not get ;_; |
| 07:24.39 | Corrodias | what's mats.Count? |
| 07:25.00 | Fisker- | it's the count of objects in my list |
| 07:26.49 | Corrodias | well, i don't see anything wrong with your code, but i'm not familiar with the collections you're using |
| 07:26.57 | Corrodias | or classes, i should say |
| 07:29.22 | Fisker- | seems to be the label array it's whining about |
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| 07:43.21 | Fisker- | ah there it was |
| 07:58.56 | Fisker- | i forgot that i had to instantiate each individual array position btw |
| 07:58.59 | Fisker- | if you were wondering :P |
| 08:00.54 | Corrodias | you do? balls. |
| 08:13.22 | Tekkub | http://www.explosm.net/comics/1282/ |
| 08:19.55 | Kalroth | :D |
| 08:20.00 | Kalroth | it's you, Tek |
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| 08:24.04 | mattes | hi all, i'am looking for an texture, or better icon lib for my addon. something like that exists out there ? else i have a lot of trouble saving correct TGA files usable within wow |
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| 08:40.38 | bleeter | i discovered something new about the High King today... if you stand at his feet, zoom pretty much all the way in, his loincloth looks a lot like Dr Zoidburg |
| 08:42.56 | Maldivia | and why would you want a closeup of his loincloth.... |
| 08:43.38 | bleeter | boredom? |
| 08:43.46 | Fisker- | because you prefer the company of men |
| 08:43.48 | nevcairiel | boredom while tanking? =P |
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| 09:31.33 | mattes | hi all, i'am looking for an texture, or better icon lib for my addon. something like that exists out there ? else i have a lot of trouble saving correct TGA files usable within wow |
| 09:32.06 | mattes | somebody knows a god tutorial for editing / creating textures for wow ? |
| 09:37.12 | Corrodias | i wish |
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| 10:55.24 | mikma | http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSN1538938220080516 |
| 10:57.25 | SinusPi | I'm trying to do an update of a bug in Cartographer2, as allowed by ckknight himself - but I get a 403 error, and I don't know whether it's for lack of some permissions or a general error... |
| 11:00.22 | Maldivia | SinusPi: having problems with the wowace svn, or? |
| 11:00.39 | SinusPi | Uh, yup. Forgot the crucial detail. |
| 11:00.58 | Maldivia | try in #wowace instead, probably people in there that can help you with that |
| 11:01.13 | SinusPi | Oh, there is one? Moving, thanks. |
| 11:01.49 | Maldivia | well, while a lot of people from there are in here and vice verse, it's probably a question better asked there : |
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| 11:57.36 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/05/18/funny-pictures-but-not-over-here/ |
| 12:04.39 | mikma | WOOHOO! ASSES! http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn250/paawkx/ass-young-cute-0611.jpg |
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| 12:09.30 | Fisker- | you've made a powerful enemy Mike-N-Go |
| 12:09.31 | Fisker- | damnit |
| 12:09.33 | Fisker- | mikma |
| 12:14.53 | Kalroth | mikma: You're such a tease |
| 12:15.06 | mikma | i am, am i? |
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| 12:49.22 | Kalroth | mikma: yes you are |
| 12:49.44 | mikma | good good :) |
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| 13:36.13 | Dark_Elf | how do i get identified to join a channel? |
| 13:36.29 | Mikk | say hello to nickserve |
| 13:36.32 | Mikk | in /msg |
| 13:37.11 | Dark_Elf | problem is im not registered on freenode |
| 13:37.40 | Fisker- | you have to register |
| 13:37.55 | Fisker- | /msg nickserv help register |
| 13:38.05 | Dark_Elf | thanks |
| 13:38.05 | purl | sure thing, Dark_Elf |
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| 13:40.03 | Dark_Elf | cool that worked |
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| 13:51.37 | Lunessa | ... station |
| 13:52.03 | Lopeppeppy | Indeed. *hug* Good morning, Lunessa dear. |
| 13:52.39 | ckknight | I don't get hugs? :-( |
| 13:53.05 | Lunessa | I'd hug you ckknight but I'm not your type. |
| 13:53.11 | Lopeppeppy | You asked for none, and didn't show you were awake. I never hug sleeping bears! |
| 13:53.18 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa I knew was totally awake. *nod* |
| 13:53.20 | ckknight | I'm not a bear |
| 13:53.33 | ckknight | I'm not really all that hairy |
| 13:53.35 | Lopeppeppy | All unknown sleeping objects are bears unless proven otherwise. |
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| 13:54.54 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Seerah |
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| 14:01.37 | Josh_Borke | holy shitballs! |
| 14:01.46 | Josh_Borke | my addon made the pick of the week? |
| 14:01.50 | Josh_Borke | how the fuck did that happen |
| 14:01.53 | Lopeppeppy | *cheer* |
| 14:01.54 | Josh_Borke | i demand to speak to the person in charge |
| 14:02.10 | Josh_Borke | what's sad is it happened almost a month ago and i just saw ;-) |
| 14:02.11 | nevcairiel | Josh_Borke: you have addons? o.O |
| 14:02.33 | Josh_Borke | nevcairiel: i kno right? |
| 14:03.12 | nevcairiel | which was yours? |
| 14:03.25 | Josh_Borke | nevcairiel: 4/20: BindingsReminder |
| 14:03.32 | Snago | Josh_Borke: hehe, we could start a "Got a Pick-of-the-week addon"-club :D |
| 14:03.38 | nevcairiel | man you are slow |
| 14:03.44 | Lunessa | wait, which one? |
| 14:04.02 | Josh_Borke | nevcairiel: see: (10:02:10 AM) Josh_Borke: what's sad is it happened almost a month ago and i just saw ;-) |
| 14:04.54 | Lunessa | Josh_Borke: ... nicely done. |
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| 14:08.17 | bleeter | http://uk.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUKL1967155420080519 |
| 14:11.46 | mikma | bleeter: http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSN1538938220080516 |
| 14:12.02 | Lunessa | I can't really imagine calling my friends on the phone and telling them to login so we can play "Place to Pee". |
| 14:12.23 | Kalroth | Lunessa: http://www.thehavok.scene.org/scene/makke/mp3/music/i_cant_go_wee-wee.mp3 |
| 14:12.48 | bleeter | Lunessa: wanna come pee with me? |
| 14:12.54 | Lopeppeppy | ... |
| 14:13.01 | Lunessa | ... No. |
| 14:13.08 | bleeter | good |
| 14:13.12 | bleeter | would be worried if you did |
| 14:13.27 | Lunessa | Kalroth: You're a twisted individual. |
| 14:13.28 | Kalroth | bleeter: wanna wee wee with me me? |
| 14:13.43 | Kalroth | Lunessa: Very! |
| 14:14.29 | Seerah | sorry, was walking the dog. Morning peppy, and yay josh_borke! |
| 14:14.45 | Lopeppeppy | Walking the dog, is that what they call it these days! :P |
| 14:14.49 | Kalroth | 3 short and 1 long for Josh_Borke! |
| 14:15.09 | Kalroth | Lopeppeppy: the monkey and chicken got too obvious |
| 14:15.19 | Seerah | :P |
| 14:15.39 | Seerah | I get out of bed, I turn on computer, I walk dog, get my breakfast, and go back to the computer :P |
| 14:15.51 | Kalroth | Good girl! |
| 14:16.04 | Lopeppeppy | I do the same except walking the dog = feed/play with cat and clean catbox. |
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| 14:21.02 | Lunessa | ... she turns on the computer before doing anything else. She's a Digital Girl! |
| 14:21.20 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. *giggle* |
| 14:22.12 | Lunessa | Living in a Digital World. She is a Digital Girl. (apologies for the 80s Madonna reference). |
| 14:23.33 | digmouse | we call it "otaku" in Japanese |
| 14:25.19 | Fisker- | mikma you will be destroyed |
| 14:25.29 | mikma | Fisker-: and you will be fisted |
| 14:25.36 | Fisker- | do want |
| 14:26.32 | Fisker- | wanna have SEX mikma? |
| 14:27.15 | Lunessa | ... |
| 14:27.29 | Lopeppeppy | .... |
| 14:27.34 | Lunessa | This has become WoWUIHookUp? |
| 14:27.38 | mikma | not with you, but with haste i could |
| 14:28.12 | Lopeppeppy | You guys are baaaad animals. |
| 14:28.15 | Fisker- | THREESOME |
| 14:28.29 | MoonWork | Fisker-, WTF |
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| 14:30.13 | Fisker- | wtf what MoonWork? :o |
| 14:30.21 | MoonWork | <Fisker-> wanna have SEX mikma? |
| 14:30.37 | Fisker- | hey :( |
| 14:31.10 | Kalroth | he's offended you didn't ask him first |
| 14:31.24 | mikma | ya |
| 14:31.27 | mikma | bastard |
| 14:31.39 | Seerah | look, you scared Elkano away |
| 14:31.51 | Cide | I'm pretty scared as well |
| 14:31.57 | Kalroth | Don't lie, Cide |
| 14:32.09 | Kalroth | You're usually wearing your wizard hat and cape |
| 14:32.10 | Cide | I never lie |
| 14:32.15 | Cide | only when I get dirty |
| 14:32.34 | Cide | which I don't with other men in public irc channels, sadly |
| 14:33.20 | Cide | uh |
| 14:33.29 | Cide | "/me hello" doesn't make much sense |
| 14:33.47 | Cide | "/me says hello" maybe |
| 14:33.58 | Lunessa | Cide: They're scaring me too . Srsly. |
| 14:34.04 | Cide | yep |
| 14:34.42 | mikma | hmm |
| 14:34.49 | Cide | how is this possible?! |
| 14:34.55 | mikma | now you made an unstoppable object |
| 14:34.59 | Kalroth | choo choo |
| 14:35.01 | Lunessa | circle-strafe for the win! |
| 14:35.05 | Seerah | now... where's the peppy? |
| 14:35.09 | Cide | behind me |
| 14:35.11 | mikma | "perpetual motion machine" |
| 14:35.16 | Cide | and in front of kalroth, who is in front of me |
| 14:35.23 | Seerah | it's like which cup is the pebble under |
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| 14:35.29 | mikma | Cide: kiss and make up |
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| 14:35.46 | Cide | ? |
| 14:35.53 | Seerah | mikma wants a kiss |
| 14:36.00 | mikma | <1735> <+Cide> and in front of kalroth, who is in front of me |
| 14:36.01 | Cide | no thanks, I swing the other way |
| 14:36.07 | mikma | basicly, you two are facing each other |
| 14:36.08 | Lopeppeppy | Meep. |
| 14:36.11 | Lopeppeppy | Just damn meep. |
| 14:36.36 | Cide | mikma: no.. Lopeppeppy is in front of kalroth, who is in front of me -- that implies nothing about how we are faced |
| 14:36.49 | zenzelezz | I bet no-one even understood that :-( |
| 14:36.49 | Kalroth | no, Lopeppeppy is next to me |
| 14:37.05 | Cide | ah. |
| 14:37.09 | Kalroth | we were a triangle, but then mikma got involved too |
| 14:37.30 | Lunessa | The device has been modified. |
| 14:37.41 | mikma | oh i see |
| 14:37.49 | mikma | i thought there was only 2 hiding |
| 14:37.50 | Kalroth | wait, I just moved mikma behind you, so we're a christmas tree now |
| 14:38.09 | Kalroth | No, you're behind Cide and I'm behind you. I'm not sure about Lopeppeppy. |
| 14:38.11 | Seerah | rofl |
| 14:38.21 | Cide | gay bounce? :P |
| 14:38.23 | Lopeppeppy | I'm with Seerah, leave me out of the daisy chain if you please! |
| 14:38.29 | Kalroth | Okay |
| 14:38.32 | Cide | hey, leave me out of it as well |
| 14:38.33 | Lopeppeppy | Line from one of the Heinlein books, Cide. :) |
| 14:38.42 | Kalroth | damnit, now it's just me and mikma :( |
| 14:38.44 | Cide | you started it peppy! |
| 14:38.46 | Lunessa | vote: Change Channel Name to WoWUIHookUp? |
| 14:38.54 | Cide | Lopeppeppy: ah |
| 14:38.56 | mikma | Kalroth: well get Fisker- to join, he's obviously in need of some |
| 14:38.59 | Lopeppeppy | That was just you and me, Cide, I can handle those odds and that swing direction! |
| 14:39.12 | Cide | Lopeppeppy: I see, I guess you're right |
| 14:39.34 | mikma | Lunessa: no, you have your back against me |
| 14:39.43 | Cide | conclusion: mikma is a wall |
| 14:39.46 | Lopeppeppy | However, now I feel very dirty and I need to go shower it off. m'scuse. |
| 14:40.13 | Kalroth | There's a swedish word for it, Cide |
| 14:40.19 | Kalroth | I think it's böghög |
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| 14:40.36 | Seerah | morning Kaelten |
| 14:40.39 | Cide | yeah, but you started that one |
| 14:40.51 | Cide | I was a non-participant from the start! |
| 14:40.59 | Kalroth | oh |
| 14:41.07 | nevcairiel | you got dragged into it, and now you cant step back! |
| 14:41.13 | Kalroth | Well passive is ok too, I guess |
| 14:41.27 | Kaelten | morning :) |
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| 14:41.30 | mikma | passive = trout |
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| 14:48.01 | alestane | ~seen iriel |
| 14:48.03 | purl | iriel <n=Iriel@adsl-71-158-244-138.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 13h 50m 43s ago, saying: 'foxlit: I've got some ideas to try and make crazy combinations easier in the future, but nothing on the near horizon.'. |
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| 14:53.01 | DARKGuy | mornin' :) |
| 14:55.38 | cog|work | ~ugt |
| 14:55.38 | purl | i heard ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 14:55.41 | cog|work | alestane: ^ |
| 14:55.47 | cog|work | ;) |
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| 15:06.25 | Intangir | so whats new |
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| 15:09.30 | Cide | latest news: vista sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111 |
| 15:09.48 | Fisker- | no u |
| 15:09.50 | Lunessa | alestane: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6440988802&sid=1 - promised error |
| 15:10.28 | Cide | what? no! HATE IT |
| 15:10.33 | alestane | Lunessa: That's easy enough to fix. |
| 15:11.02 | Lunessa | Like I said Friday, it's not a big deal, but I thought you should know. |
| 15:11.29 | DARKGuy | I <3 Vista |
| 15:11.30 | alestane | Lunessa: It's already fixed in my copy. Let me check the uploads. |
| 15:11.37 | DARKGuy | ... you just need an überpowerful computer tho |
| 15:11.42 | DARKGuy | like mine, of course. |
| 15:11.49 | DARKGuy | because I use vista. |
| 15:12.06 | Cide | I thought you hated it last time |
| 15:12.34 | DARKGuy | I used to, when I had 512Mb RAM |
| 15:12.41 | Cide | and by "überpowerful", you mean anything with >1gb ram |
| 15:12.49 | DARKGuy | it was slower than a car without tires |
| 15:12.52 | Lunessa | Cide: It was driving me crazy before. My install was bad, so key services wouldn't load/stay loaded. I wiped the machine and reinstalled. All is well. |
| 15:12.52 | nevcairiel | 1gb? I have 2 and its not enough for vista :P |
| 15:12.58 | DARKGuy | I have 1,5Gb :P |
| 15:13.03 | Cide | sure it is |
| 15:13.06 | DARKGuy | 667 and 533 xD |
| 15:13.20 | nevcairiel | not for running 2 copys of wow in the background! |
| 15:13.25 | DARKGuy | I've ran 3 |
| 15:13.25 | DARKGuy | :P |
| 15:13.27 | Cide | >>> assert(667 + 533 == 1500) |
| 15:13.32 | Cide | [string "assert(667 + 533 == 1500)"]:1: assertion failed! |
| 15:13.37 | DARKGuy | and notepad++ and 2 explorer windows at the same time :o |
| 15:13.38 | nevcairiel | Cide: i think he meant the speed |
| 15:13.40 | Seerah | my laptop has 2Gb and Vista's slow |
| 15:13.45 | DARKGuy | plus aero |
| 15:13.47 | DARKGuy | so it isn't too bad :P |
| 15:14.15 | Slakah | Never tried it. |
| 15:14.17 | alestane | Lunessa: You're right, the fix is not in the uploaded version. I have a couple other tweaks to throw in so the fix will get committed then. |
| 15:14.30 | Lunessa | alestane: Sweet. |
| 15:14.48 | DARKGuy | Cide: those were the speeds. 1Gb = 667, and 512Mb = 533 |
| 15:15.06 | Cide | ah |
| 15:15.26 | Cide | I was wondering how the hell he didn't have a power of two |
| 15:15.30 | Lunessa | I wouldn't run Vista on anything that slow. |
| 15:15.31 | DARKGuy | haha |
| 15:15.41 | DARKGuy | well I'm running it :P |
| 15:15.46 | DARKGuy | it isn't by any means slow |
| 15:16.06 | nevcairiel | maybe you never ran anything fast to compare with? :D |
| 15:16.15 | DARKGuy | running 3 WoW copies at the same time and doing /rl on all of them while doing some addon development isn't what I call slow :P |
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| 15:16.45 | nevcairiel | my system starts to page itself to hell with 2 copys of wow running on vista |
| 15:16.58 | nevcairiel | but then again i run wow at max settings and on a high resolution |
| 15:17.18 | DARKGuy | and the "Aero makes games slow" is a myth. I tried running WoW with the same settings, with and without Aero, and I had the same FPS. |
| 15:17.26 | DARKGuy | Aero disables itself when a game goes fullscreen :P |
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| 15:17.36 | DARKGuy | same framerate when I run WoW windowed with Aero though |
| 15:17.36 | DARKGuy | so... wtf. |
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| 15:19.02 | Cide | yeah, god forbid an operating system uses processing power! |
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| 15:19.45 | nevcairiel | maybe, maybe not, but it definately uses a good chunk of ram |
| 15:20.23 | DARKGuy | well yeah |
| 15:20.24 | DARKGuy | Vista sucks ram |
| 15:20.26 | DARKGuy | :( |
| 15:20.38 | Cide | no, it simply uses it |
| 15:21.03 | Cide | but if a process needs more it usually plays nicely anyway so /shrug |
| 15:21.07 | nevcairiel | sure, but doesnt use it for anything that i really want/need/use/whatever :) |
| 15:21.18 | Cide | better to use it than for it to remain unused |
| 15:22.07 | DARKGuy | Unused ram isn't doing nothing anyways. |
| 15:22.17 | Cide | what? |
| 15:22.30 | DARKGuy | That. It's better to be used than to be left unused. |
| 15:22.37 | Cide | exactly |
| 15:22.44 | DARKGuy | Yay. |
| 15:23.10 | nevcairiel | not if my system needs to swap hard if i run 2 copys of wow (what doesnt happen on xp) |
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| 15:23.52 | nevcairiel | both games locked themself, because both tried to access the data, and windows was swapping it back and forth |
| 15:23.53 | Cide | well yeah, it DOES use more ram than xp |
| 15:24.04 | DARKGuy | nevcairiel: haha, ew. |
| 15:24.04 | nevcairiel | Lunessa: PTR and Live comparison is kinda useful :/ |
| 15:24.07 | DARKGuy | true. |
| 15:24.13 | Cide | but in the what? 10 years of time between xp and vista |
| 15:24.15 | Lunessa | ture dat |
| 15:24.24 | DARKGuy | RAM is pretty cheap nowadays |
| 15:24.24 | Lunessa | More like 8 cide |
| 15:24.36 | Cide | performance has increased 2^(8/1.5)-fold according to moore's law |
| 15:24.44 | DARKGuy | o.O |
| 15:24.53 | DARKGuy | get it while it's hot, it is said that RAM will increase in price soon :/ |
| 15:24.54 | Cide | oh, it's every 2, not 1.5 |
| 15:24.59 | Cide | >>> 2^(8/2) |
| 15:24.59 | Cide | Cide: 16 |
| 15:25.01 | nevcairiel | i dont think moore's law applys anymore |
| 15:25.15 | Cide | "The trend has continued for more than half a century and is not expected to stop for another decade at least and perhaps much longer" |
| 15:25.19 | Cide | (wikipedia) |
| 15:25.50 | Lunessa | Heh, law. More like, general guideline. |
| 15:26.12 | Cide | it's been pretty accurate |
| 15:26.48 | Cide | so yeah, the fact that vista uses more memory isn't really surprising, nor is it problematic |
| 15:26.58 | nevcairiel | it was for me =P |
| 15:27.04 | DARKGuy | that "law" is more what you'd call "guidelines" |
| 15:27.10 | nevcairiel | problematic that is, not surprising |
| 15:27.10 | Cide | people never complain when never games require better graphics cards |
| 15:27.13 | DARKGuy | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:27.18 | Cide | newer* |
| 15:27.35 | nevcairiel | I would complain if a game starts to require DX10 |
| 15:27.36 | Cide | or cpu power or ram, for that matter |
| 15:27.44 | nevcairiel | or no, i would laugh at the developers |
| 15:27.49 | DARKGuy | as long as they make a DX9 version (like, AC) I'd be happy :P |
| 15:28.08 | Cide | nevcairiel: unrelated to the discussion |
| 15:28.36 | Cide | maybe pc users forgot what it's like to upgrade their OS in the 8 years between XP and vista |
| 15:28.48 | nevcairiel | Your argument is flawed anyway, people want better graphics and physics in games |
| 15:28.52 | nevcairiel | i dont want puny 3d desktops |
| 15:28.56 | nevcairiel | i like the xp style |
| 15:28.57 | Cide | then don't upgrade :) |
| 15:29.20 | DARKGuy | XP isn't too bad but it gets boring after a while, then you start running like crazy on the net looking for visual styles |
| 15:29.39 | DARKGuy | then you stumble upon WindowBlinds and say "I'll go radical and use it because Aero is omgwtfbloat" |
| 15:29.42 | Cide | it's not a faulty game because it decides to go with better graphics and physics |
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| 15:29.52 | DARKGuy | and end up using more RAM than Aero does on Vista :P |
| 15:30.00 | Cide | a similar argument may be made for vista and its new user interface |
| 15:30.03 | nevcairiel | I got myself to finally use the new XP theme, before i still had the 2k look :p |
| 15:30.09 | Seerah | WindowBlinds works fine on my computer |
| 15:30.12 | DARKGuy | nevcairiel: retr0! |
| 15:30.17 | DARKGuy | same here |
| 15:30.26 | DARKGuy | but it isn't the real thing >:D |
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| 15:43.38 | *** topic/#wowuidev is http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 2.4.x ToC: 20400 | #WoWUIDev-commits : A place to watch active development of World of Warcraft addons. Multiple Sites' CIA & JIRA bots reporting | WoW programming book http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob | "well then stay here and rot, you stuck up bitch" - Tem |
| 15:46.26 | Lunessa | Apples are also good with cheddar cheese. |
| 15:46.36 | DARKGuy | dat true |
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| 16:08.52 | wereHamster | apparenty DX has gotten so good that john carmack wants to use it instead of opengl in his next games. Say bye-bye to ID games on linux... |
| 16:10.56 | nevcairiel | wereHamster: actually, id Tech 5 is still OpenGL |
| 16:11.07 | nevcairiel | (the Doom 4 Engine ) |
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| 16:11.52 | Gnarfoz | that's why he said 'next games' |
| 16:12.33 | nevcairiel | id tech 5 is not in use in any released game |
| 16:12.52 | nevcairiel | so i consider that "next games" |
| 16:13.23 | Gnarfoz | it's not like carmack makes any games anymore, really, anyway |
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| 16:13.43 | nevcairiel | he wants to get his hands in the next id games again |
| 16:14.25 | Gnarfoz | hmm great, so he'll be doing games again, but they'll use DX |
| 16:14.26 | Gnarfoz | xD |
| 16:14.41 | nevcairiel | i read some article about the future of the engines ("id tech 6"), he talks about features that no graphics card right now couldnt run |
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| 16:15.05 | wereHamster | ray tracing? |
| 16:15.09 | nevcairiel | could* |
| 16:15.34 | Gnarfoz | ray tracing is still insanely expensive, so... who knows :> |
| 16:15.35 | nevcairiel | "new type of sparse voxel octree based technology" |
| 16:15.50 | Gnarfoz | gtfo, what does that even mean |
| 16:15.51 | Gnarfoz | xD |
| 16:16.06 | ckknight | wereHamster: id is very against ray tracing |
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| 16:17.07 | Intangir | wereHamster: hey |
| 16:17.19 | nevcairiel | he talks about voxels, i'm not even sure what those are |
| 16:17.51 | Intangir | voxels are gone hehe |
| 16:18.06 | Intangir | was an attempt at a new type of 3d, with hardware acceloration |
| 16:18.06 | wereHamster | Intangir, yes? |
| 16:18.22 | Intangir | wereHamster: hey man, can i setup yukon to live stream video? |
| 16:18.33 | nevcairiel | "attempt" .. id still trys ;) |
| 16:18.34 | Intangir | i want to somehow set it up so i can play wow from work ;) hahaha |
| 16:18.54 | Intangir | any ideas/ |
| 16:19.16 | Valaron|Work | Install Wow. |
| 16:19.36 | Intangir | im behing firewalls here |
| 16:19.38 | Intangir | and proxies |
| 16:19.40 | Intangir | and all this shit |
| 16:19.48 | wereHamster | Intangir, the video part yes, but you'd need to write the the live input feedback yourself |
| 16:20.06 | Intangir | i think vnc might let me do the input |
| 16:20.09 | Intangir | i hope.. |
| 16:20.19 | wereHamster | WoW uses a single port, a ssh tunnel might be enough for you |
| 16:20.33 | Intangir | doesnt it connect to multiple servers? |
| 16:20.58 | wereHamster | still could use a single port.. |
| 16:21.05 | nevcairiel | anyway, i skimmed over the article again, i didnt see any point where Carmack says that he will use DX now, he kinda dislikes DX because MS had to try 9 times before getting it right :P |
| 16:21.19 | Intangir | i can only tunnel a port to a single server |
| 16:21.47 | Intangir | i dont want to locally install it really either anyway |
| 16:21.49 | Intangir | too huuge |
| 16:22.37 | wereHamster | nevcairiel, I'm sorry, I don't remember where I read that. But it was something along the lines that opengl adopts new features/extensions slowly then DX blablabla... |
| 16:22.52 | wereHamster | s/slowly/slower/ |
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| 16:23.16 | nevcairiel | id Tech 5 still looks awesome using OpenGL :) |
| 16:26.11 | Fisker- | it looks like shit |
| 16:26.18 | Fisker- | bumpmapping, get the fuck out |
| 16:27.03 | wereHamster | nevcairiel, http://techreport.com/discussions.x/13237 |
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| 16:30.46 | Fisker- | moar like http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=302231&cid=20671657 |
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| 16:33.46 | Cairenn | just a reminder FYI, WoWI's SVNs are now live: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16361 |
| 16:34.50 | Apoco | lol |
| 16:34.51 | zenzelezz | :-o |
| 16:34.53 | ckknight | Cairenn: hey, curse is releasing free repo stuff today, too |
| 16:35.09 | ckknight | not just svn, though, git and hg are provided as well |
| 16:35.12 | Fisker- | SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 16:35.12 | Cairenn | ckknight: cool |
| 16:35.17 | Fisker- | also |
| 16:35.18 | Fisker- | sausages |
| 16:35.43 | Apoco | and let the ui hosting wars begin? |
| 16:35.48 | ckknight | lol. |
| 16:36.10 | Apoco | WoWAce vs CurseForge vs WoWI vs Googlecode! |
| 16:36.12 | Apoco | WHO WILL WIN!? |
| 16:36.18 | Matrix110 | googlecode is not really competing:P |
| 16:36.24 | Apoco | well...kinda |
| 16:36.25 | Apoco | lots use it |
| 16:36.27 | zenzelezz | who will succeed, who will fail, and who will be The Repository? |
| 16:36.30 | Cairenn | lol, no different than it's been before this |
| 16:36.38 | Beladona | technically neither is wowace, since it caters only to ace addons |
| 16:36.41 | Matrix110 | well but googlecode is like taking sourceforge aswell :P |
| 16:36.49 | Matrix110 | no Beladona Oo |
| 16:36.51 | Fisker- | nah Beladona |
| 16:36.55 | Apoco | you can put non-ace addons on wowace |
| 16:36.56 | Matrix110 | everyone is free to use it |
| 16:37.02 | Beladona | ahh that must have changed |
| 16:37.07 | Gryphen | long ago |
| 16:37.09 | Apoco | there are a lot on there I'm sure, I have a few myself |
| 16:37.11 | Matrix110 | ckknight hosts all his evil non ace addons there! |
| 16:37.16 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 16:37.18 | Slakah | Isn't WoWAce part of Curse anyway? |
| 16:37.20 | Fisker- | i hate evil ckknight |
| 16:37.23 | Matrix110 | no |
| 16:37.23 | Lunessa | Do we get to vote people off the island? |
| 16:37.26 | ckknight | Fisker-: me too |
| 16:37.35 | Matrix110 | but WoWace gets server BW from curse afaik |
| 16:38.03 | Apoco | can we vote mods off of the repo? |
| 16:38.06 | Apoco | that would be a good idea imo |
| 16:38.09 | Cairenn | We're not trying to compete with anyone, any more than we have in the past. We're just providing yet another tool for authors to use or not as they wish. |
| 16:38.13 | Beladona | doesn't matter all that much. people who prefer to develop at curse can use that one. people that perfer to develop at wowi can use that one. same for wowace. |
| 16:38.22 | Beladona | all that matters is that now it is easier |
| 16:38.43 | Apoco | Cairenn: Nice politically correct statement. |
| 16:39.00 | Beladona | its only smart too |
| 16:39.08 | Cairenn | Apoco: more like truth, but okay, if you want to see it that way, go for it |
| 16:39.12 | Beladona | people want easy project management and development |
| 16:39.20 | Apoco | I agree with you, its nice to have options |
| 16:39.23 | Lunessa | Or you can be like me. Develop for yourself, and don't do source control externally. Just zip and copy ... and cry. |
| 16:39.25 | Matrix110 | *authors |
| 16:39.27 | wereHamster | <@Beladona> technically neither is wowace, since it caters only to ace addons <- since when? I have my non-ace addons there.. |
| 16:39.32 | Apoco | I just forsee it bringing more problems to the users than not |
| 16:39.34 | Matrix110 | users want just a central download station :P |
| 16:39.37 | Beladona | wereHamster: scroll past that |
| 16:39.38 | foxlit | Lunessa: you clearly stole my method! :) |
| 16:39.41 | Beladona | and read |
| 16:39.48 | Gryphen | <wereHamster> covered that |
| 16:39.50 | Gryphen | heh |
| 16:39.56 | Lunessa | foxlit: LIES! You stole MY method! |
| 16:40.27 | Lunessa | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6440790999&sid=1 - LOL |
| 16:40.35 | Valaron|Work | Why are there tears involved? |
| 16:40.42 | ckknight | lol, Lunessa |
| 16:40.44 | foxlit | Because you can't hit revert |
| 16:41.41 | foxlit | I wonder if forum software can just silently drop any posts containing "plz", "thx" and "u" |
| 16:41.44 | Lunessa | Valaron|Work: The crying part is a joke. |
| 16:41.55 | nevcairiel | foxlit: shouldnt be too hard to code ;) |
| 16:41.58 | Snago | lol Lunessa |
| 16:42.16 | Valaron|Work | lawls. I was being facetious. |
| 16:42.18 | Valaron|Work | alas |
| 16:42.23 | Lunessa | Oh man, the laughter - "your parents met." |
| 16:42.34 | Apoco | ckknight: whens that client going to be coming out for curseforge? |
| 16:43.46 | ckknight | Apoco: talk to Kolie |
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| 16:44.16 | Apoco | bleh |
| 16:44.43 | ckknight | well, once CurseForge has psyn files up, the current client will work with it |
| 16:44.56 | ckknight | also, since it just syncs with Curse, you can use the current client |
| 16:44.57 | ckknight | :-P |
| 16:45.02 | ckknight | it only syncs beta + release files, though |
| 16:45.41 | Apoco | the curse client sucks tbh |
| 16:46.03 | Valaron|Work | For those that like that Portal game: http://www.circuitcity.com/sem/rpsm/oid/207963/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do?linkid=j13459594k15308&affiliateid=k15308&mid= |
| 16:46.23 | Apoco | if I wanted to goto a website to update all of my mods one by one, I'd goto the website |
| 16:46.29 | Apoco | I dont need a program to link me to a website |
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| 16:48.27 | Kaso | "That portal game" ? |
| 16:48.42 | ckknight | Apoco: well, bandwidth and employees are expensive, going to the website ups their ad impressions |
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| 16:48.43 | Kaso | You offend the honor of the best game ever! |
| 16:48.44 | foxlit | surely The Portal game |
| 16:48.57 | Kaso | Just "Portal" is all that is required in my mind |
| 16:49.24 | foxlit | It's a curious question, really |
| 16:49.27 | Apoco | I'm aware ckknight |
| 16:49.38 | Apoco | it still doesnt make it user friendly. |
| 16:49.48 | foxlit | Arguably, if that website wasn't as dynamic as it is now, it wouldn't incur such costs :) |
| 16:50.36 | ckknight | foxlit: I agree. The new one will be better |
| 16:50.52 | ckknight | we are actually working on a new codebase |
| 16:51.04 | foxlit | [Any self-updating solution should really rely on addon authors denoting an update mechanism under their control through .toc; there's no real need for any site-specific client applications] |
| 16:51.20 | [dRaCo] | ok, foxlit, I got something. OneRing is already taken as a name... it's OneBag's keyring plugin |
| 16:51.35 | foxlit | I'm aware of that and stumped for a proper name |
| 16:51.40 | [dRaCo] | kk |
| 16:51.52 | Apoco | OneRingBag* |
| 16:52.42 | foxlit | Don't really want to ask Kaelten to change the name of an existing addon; chances are I'll change the package name, and the library can stay as OneRingLib |
| 16:52.55 | Kaelten | hrm? |
| 16:53.05 | wereHamster | why not TwoRing or ZeroRing ? |
| 16:53.14 | wereHamster | UberRing |
| 16:53.27 | Kaelten | OnePie |
| 16:53.36 | foxlit | OneCake? |
| 16:53.38 | Seerah|afk | DirectionallyChallenged |
| 16:53.51 | Kaelten | MightBeRings |
| 16:54.06 | Seerah|afk | ooh.... |
| 16:54.07 | Seerah|afk | Compass |
| 16:54.11 | foxlit | addon |
| 16:54.16 | foxlit | old, but awesome |
| 16:54.19 | Seerah|afk | oh wait, there might be another one by that name |
| 16:54.20 | Seerah|afk | yeah |
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| 16:54.36 | Seerah|afk | okay, I'm still supposed to be afk :P |
| 16:54.37 | Kaelten | Monocale (Sp) |
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| 16:54.59 | Kaelten | monocle |
| 16:55.13 | Intangir | isnt season4 starting when WOLTK comes out? which raises the level cap. but all the gear is level 70? |
| 16:55.26 | foxlit | They haven't announced when season 4 is starting. |
| 16:55.28 | MoonWolf | Intangir, what makes you think that ? |
| 16:55.48 | Lunessa | foxlit: EventHorizon |
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| 16:56.20 | foxlit | Lunessa: I'd imagine that'd be better off with an addon that forecasts your doom. :) |
| 16:56.20 | Kaelten | foxlit: I think I honestly like Monocle |
| 16:57.11 | Seerah|afk | foxlit: Ringer |
| 16:58.07 | alestane | StringTheory |
| 16:58.22 | alestane | EventLoop |
| 16:58.37 | alestane | (Yes, I am a geek.) |
| 16:59.40 | Slakah | being on irc generally implies geekdom |
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| 17:00.05 | durcyn | can't be sure of that in Eternal September, Slakah |
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| 17:01.39 | Intangir | MoonWolf: well wotlk is supposed to come out this year |
| 17:01.55 | Intangir | so no more than 6 months away |
| 17:02.08 | Intangir | unless they start season4 REALLY damn soon.. |
| 17:02.41 | foxlit | In three months isn't a bad time, really |
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| 17:04.26 | Lunessa | alestane: EventLoop is pretty good, it's even a pun on more than one level. |
| 17:05.25 | alestane | Or if you wanted to stick closer to the original idea, RingOfPower wouldn't be too bad. |
| 17:06.03 | Lunessa | Circlet |
| 17:06.56 | foxlit | At the moment, the O at the start makes for a nice graphical element :) |
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| 17:08.50 | alestane | Or if you used "...Loop", you could turn the two Os in the loop into a mobius strip or something. |
| 17:10.45 | foxlit | We'll see, we'll see. There's functionality to fix meanwhile |
| 17:10.47 | foxlit | And food to eat |
| 17:12.46 | mikma | if nightbane does a 7k crushing blow to warrior, what's wrong? (warrior is tank) |
| 17:13.38 | Hjalte | mikma: Chrushing blows should be rare with shield block up, but if a crushing blow gets in, I don't suppose 7k is that much. |
| 17:17.15 | mikma | Hjalte: well, warrior has 495 defense, shouldn't he be uncrushable? |
| 17:17.44 | Hjalte | mikma: No, only when he has shield wall up, if his total avoidance is then 102,something% :) |
| 17:17.47 | Hjalte | eh |
| 17:17.49 | Hjalte | shield bnlock* |
| 17:18.08 | Hjalte | 490, or 495 whatever, makes you immune to crits |
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| 17:20.05 | Lunessa | foxlit: Take a page from Apple - OneInfiniteLoop |
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| 17:20.45 | Fisker- | i'm killing you kd3 |
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| 17:21.49 | mikma | oh, i thought defense meant he would be uncrushable :P |
| 17:24.42 | Lunessa | Man, a guild named <Fun Bags> would either be totally awesome, or full of complete douches. But it makes me laugh to see it. |
| 17:26.51 | Seerah | mikma: http://www.wowwiki.com/Crushing_blow#Am_I_uncrushable.3F |
| 17:27.18 | Xuerian | foxlit: Suggestion! =O. Make the indication arrow start out invisible when a ring is brought up (If centered at the mouse), or, just make it start pointing towards the mouse. I'll often show the ring for under a second, and during that time it's still trying to rotate from the last action |
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| 17:50.42 | durcyn | wait wait wait, ring, as in SecurePieMenu? |
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| 17:54.37 | Xuerian | shh ..>.> |
| 17:55.26 | Xuerian | http://spirit-dreams.net/or/ |
| 17:55.44 | Lunessa | Be amazed, see the Wonders. |
| 17:56.47 | Xuerian | Man, I want to play Metroid Prime again. Why did I sell it -_-; |
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| 17:57.46 | Lunessa | Because at the time you thought $$ was better than that #*(@&%^! game you never wanted to see again. |
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| 17:58.09 | Xuerian | Well that'd be the logical view of things |
| 17:58.24 | Lunessa | I've never been accused of being logical. |
| 17:58.30 | Xuerian | Now you have :D |
| 17:58.42 | Lunessa | Damn it! A Pox on my house! |
| 17:58.50 | Lunessa | Er, wait a second... |
| 17:58.59 | Xuerian | >.> |
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| 18:02.08 | wereHamster | someone should write a OneRing compiz plugin |
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| 18:04.35 | Lunessa | Fellowship of the OneBag |
| 18:05.50 | zenzelezz | so... getting my Slackware box to use two monitors has brought to my attention the fact that my many years old 15" LCD now looks like it has incredibly washed-out colors |
| 18:08.04 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: First gen flat-panel? |
| 18:09.04 | zenzelezz | not quite, I think... let me see if I can find the details |
| 18:10.01 | klip | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAE8qO3BJSg Roll a Horde - "Elf Hunters", haha, this is so great |
| 18:10.15 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: If it's more than 4-5 years old, it's not surprising. We log lots of hours on them, they tend to wear out under that much use. |
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| 18:14.40 | Shot | has something changed in the way DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME is initialised? I'm noticing a lot of my addons are no longer reporting "... loaded successfully." any more, including my own |
| 18:14.43 | Seerah | hubby's LCD has his action bars burnt into it :P |
| 18:14.52 | Shot | DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME still seems to be ChatFrame1 |
| 18:15.14 | Lunessa | Seerah: LOL. I think I'd rather have that than just have it mysteriously quit working. |
| 18:15.16 | Seerah | Should just be DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("blah") |
| 18:15.31 | Seerah | Lunessa: you can see the icons and everything :P |
| 18:15.39 | foxlit | Shot: I ran into some issues where some messages may mysteriously disappear for a while |
| 18:15.40 | Shot | Yes, that's what it is - but I'm not seeing anything from my addon at startup, and a lot less from other addons at startup too |
| 18:15.51 | Lunessa | Mmmm... I think he spends more time playing wow than even I do. |
| 18:16.00 | foxlit | It's rather sketchy, but text on PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD seems to be halted somewhere |
| 18:16.25 | Seerah | He's not one to change his UI layout, and he's been a hardcore raider for 2 years now -.- |
| 18:16.28 | foxlit | [personal experience, take that with a grain of salt] |
| 18:17.03 | Shot | I have lots of addons running, and used to see at least 6-7, probably more startup messages after a ui reload, now all I see is one - ArkInventory |
| 18:17.11 | foxlit | self.restoreAttributeValue:gsub(" [nocombat] "..ShiftInfo[4].mount .. ";", ""); |
| 18:17.16 | foxlit | what could possibly go wrong :( |
| 18:20.10 | Gotai | [nocombat] might be interpreted as a charset. Try escaping the brackets. |
| 18:20.30 | zenzelezz | "Year Released: 2002" |
| 18:20.42 | zenzelezz | looks old. Think I got the monitor in 2003 sometime |
| 18:20.54 | zenzelezz | let's just say it hasn't seen much rest either |
| 18:24.49 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: then it is no shock it's starting to show some fading. |
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| 18:30.08 | zenzelezz | hehe |
| 18:30.53 | zenzelezz | well, it's a quality monitor nonetheless... been using it pretty much since I got it, and it still lives... can't say the same for the Acer AL1715s I've had (two died, one displayed ghosting tendencies) |
| 18:31.11 | zenzelezz | either way, now I have an excuse to buy a new 17" |
| 18:33.48 | zenzelezz | except... now I'm eyeing the 19" ones x.x So cheap these days |
| 18:35.26 | Lopeppeppy | 19? Why not 22" widescreen glory!!!?? |
| 18:35.46 | Lopeppeppy | I have an Acer AL1916 from newegg.com, love the baby. |
| 18:35.52 | zenzelezz | price jumps a bit more there, and it's not like I'll be doing anything that requires such a big monitor for the linux box |
| 18:36.12 | zenzelezz | got a 24" + HDMI-out to a 37" LCD TV on the Windows box already |
| 18:36.27 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, this is your second monitor! No worries then, carry on!! |
| 18:37.00 | zenzelezz | third, so to speak |
| 18:42.34 | Lunessa | I lust for a 30+" monitor... but the budget tells me lust is a sin. |
| 18:42.46 | Fisker- | i got it! |
| 18:43.00 | Fisker- | If we get this mod author signup thingy again for wotlk |
| 18:43.06 | Fisker- | i should write a hello world addon |
| 18:43.07 | Fisker- | :D |
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| 18:44.35 | cog|work | Lunessa: sit closer |
| 18:44.41 | cog|work | imo :P |
| 18:45.08 | Lunessa | cog|work: You know I can't do that! My stomach gets in the way. silly gnome. |
| 18:45.47 | cog|work | >< |
| 18:46.24 | Lunessa | Actually cog|work, aside from the attempts to act like MY mother, she was a real hoot. |
| 18:47.19 | Lopeppeppy | Mothers do that, adopt random strangers for giggles. |
| 18:47.27 | Lopeppeppy | Better than being all standoffish and snooty! |
| 18:48.15 | Lunessa | Hah... she was a hoot. I'm wondering how she would have been if we'd had more liquor. I mean, she was very entertaining on just ONE drink. |
| 18:48.52 | klip | :) |
| 18:49.16 | cog|work | If we'd had more liquor i'm sure she would've seemed more entertaining to the rest of us... |
| 18:49.26 | cog|work | but only because we'd've druk her share :P |
| 18:49.50 | Fisker- | repeat after me cog|work |
| 18:49.55 | cog|work | NO U |
| 18:50.19 | Lunessa | cog|work: There's no crime like a wasted drink, and the best drink is one someone else paid for! |
| 18:50.19 | Fisker- | alright |
| 18:50.29 | enum | is it possible to compare to tables? for example t1 = { a = 1, b = 2 }; t2 = t1; if ( t1 == t2 ) then <do something> end |
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| 18:50.46 | klip | i dont think so |
| 18:50.51 | mikma | (i remember someone saying you can't compare tables in lua) |
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| 18:50.58 | Kaso | you can set the __equals field in the metatables |
| 18:51.19 | Kaso | sorry |
| 18:51.20 | Kaso | __eq |
| 18:51.34 | Kaso | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#2.8 |
| 18:51.39 | cog|work | enum: you have to go through each element and compare them manually |
| 18:51.41 | Tem|Work | enum, if you directly set t2 to be equal to t1, then (t1 == t2) will be true |
| 18:51.52 | [Liquidor] | Good evening everyone :-) How are you all today? Im eating strawberries.. hmm yummy :-} |
| 18:51.52 | Tem|Work | (that is, you did t2 = t1)] |
| 18:51.53 | kergoth | {} ~= {} |
| 18:52.21 | enum | yeah, I'm setting them as t2 = t1 |
| 18:52.21 | cog|work | enum: t2 = t1 doesn't do what i think you think it does |
| 18:52.26 | enum | ah |
| 18:52.34 | mikma | is there a way to cast weaponbuffs into weapons directly? |
| 18:52.35 | enum | well, they look exact when I dump them |
| 18:52.39 | alestane | t2 = t1 is not a copy operation. |
| 18:52.39 | enum | ;p |
| 18:52.41 | cog|work | of course they are |
| 18:52.44 | cog|work | it's the same table |
| 18:52.52 | mikma | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:52.53 | enum | so it creates a reference to t1 then? |
| 18:52.56 | Kaso | mikma cast the spell then pickup the weapon |
| 18:53.04 | Cide | enum: it creates a reference to what t1 is referencing |
| 18:53.07 | Cide | slight difference |
| 18:53.11 | enum | ah |
| 18:53.20 | cog|work | >>> t1 = {} t2=t1 print(t1,t2) |
| 18:53.21 | Cide | cog|work: { } (#1), <table: #1> |
| 18:53.29 | cog|work | lua> t1 = {} t2=t1 print(t1,t2) |
| 18:53.31 | alestane | lua> t1 = {3, 4, 5}; t2.a = 'z'; print(t1.a) |
| 18:53.35 | zenzelezz | mikma: think I heard something like /cast Windfury Weapon 7; /use 11 (or whatever the weapon slot is) before... but never actually tried it |
| 18:53.40 | cog|work | --> t1 = {} t2=t1 print(t1,t2) |
| 18:53.41 | batbot | cog|work: table: 0xb7b01608 table: 0xb7b01608 |
| 18:53.45 | cog|work | ^ |
| 18:53.57 | Cide | could just do |
| 18:54.09 | Cide | >>> t1 = { }; t2 = t1; return str(t1), str(t2) |
| 18:54.14 | Cide | of course, I fail |
| 18:54.15 | Lunessa | Meh, on my shaman I dual-wield and use Windfury on both. I just double-cast. |
| 18:54.21 | Cide | >>> t1 = { }; t2 = t1; return tostring(t1), tostring(t2) |
| 18:54.21 | Cide | Cide: "table: 001C8738", "table: 001C8738" |
| 18:55.00 | alestane | >>> t1 = {}; t2 = t1; return t1 == t2 |
| 18:55.00 | Cide | alestane: true |
| 18:55.04 | enum | I;m trying to populate a global "last" variable.. so for example, if I target something I gather data and put it in "t1", then I want to create a "copy" ( or some way to keep the data ) so that next time that event fires, I have the data from the previous time it fired |
| 18:55.08 | enum | hoep that makes sense |
| 18:55.12 | alestane | >>> t1 = {}; t2 = {}; return t1 == t2 |
| 18:55.13 | Cide | alestane: false |
| 18:56.08 | enum | would it be valid to compare the tostring(t1) to the tostring(t2) ? |
| 18:56.20 | alestane | Well, there's the basic copy function: function (t) local new = {} for k, v in pairs(t) do new[k] = v end return new end |
| 18:56.21 | enum | or do I still run into the same issue? |
| 18:56.40 | cog|work | enum: you have to create a new table and copy everything in to make a copy |
| 18:56.45 | enum | kk |
| 18:56.47 | enum | thanks everyone |
| 18:56.50 | cog|work | and to compare, you have to compare each element |
| 18:58.25 | alestane | if you have two separate tables, and you want to compare them, you need to go through each one and check it against the other (since pairs will iterate in no particular order) |
| 18:59.46 | wereHamster | foxlit, when are you going to release OneRing? |
| 18:59.48 | kergoth | enum: tostring is the memory address, if they're different tables, they have different addresses. |
| 19:00.29 | foxlit | wereHamster: when it works reasonably well :) |
| 19:00.31 | mikma | Lunessa: usually the problem is: i have ran out of WF on both hands in combat. then i try to cast it but totem overwrites it |
| 19:00.53 | [Liquidor] | lol... you know when you eat a strawberry you pull off the leaves ontop of it first aight? well I keep doing that and then eat the leaves and throw the strawberry out of the window -.- gotta focus a bit more meh |
| 19:00.57 | alestane | function (t1, t2) for k in pairs (t1) do if t1[k] ~= t2[k] then return false; end for k in pairs(t2) do if t1[k] ~= t2[k] then return false; end return true end |
| 19:01.36 | wereHamster | foxlit, is there an alpha/beta testers pool that I could join? |
| 19:01.36 | Lunessa | mikma: Heh, I click the totem buff off. |
| 19:02.04 | foxlit | http://www.spirit-dreams.net/or/getdevbeta |
| 19:02.35 | Fisker- | i hunger for frostmourne |
| 19:02.44 | wereHamster | foxlit, thanks |
| 19:03.09 | alestane | >>> (function (t1, t2) for k in pairs (t1) do if t1[k] ~= t2[k] then return false; end for k in pairs(t2) do if t1[k] ~= t2[k] then return false; end return true end)({3,4,5}, {3,4,5}) |
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| 19:04.56 | mikma | Lunessa: me too, but, it usually gets refreshed again = i need to remove the totem, then remove the buff/wait for it to go away, and buff |
| 19:05.18 | alestane | >>>(function (t1, t2) for k in pairs (t1) do if t1[k] ~= t2[k] then return false; end end for k in pairs(t2) do if t1[k] ~= t2[k] then return false; end end return true end)({3,4,5}, {3,4,5}) |
| 19:05.19 | Cide | alestane: true |
| 19:05.29 | alestane | >>>(function (t1, t2) for k in pairs (t1) do if t1[k] ~= t2[k] then return false; end end for k in pairs(t2) do if t1[k] ~= t2[k] then return false; end end return true end)({3,4,5}, {3,5}) |
| 19:05.29 | Cide | alestane: false |
| 19:05.35 | Lunessa | Yeah, sadly the spell doesn't over-write the totem. |
| 19:05.57 | Fisker- | http://ljplus.ru/img4/s/w/swonder85/E78E832C-FB47-42D4-9156-2E0ECCA7734.jpg |
| 19:05.59 | Fisker- | that's win |
| 19:06.58 | mikma | Lunessa: targeted weaponbuff spell does |
| 19:07.00 | alestane | Dare I ask WHY? |
| 19:07.13 | Fisker- | it's a flying dick |
| 19:07.23 | alestane | I can see that. |
| 19:07.37 | alestane | That doesn't address the question of "WHY?" |
| 19:07.44 | Lunessa | that is lawl, but not win |
| 19:07.51 | Fisker- | i believe it does :o |
| 19:09.55 | klip | today's win for me is LOTR pics w/ WoW quotes - animated gif http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/3/3c/0002k1cc.gif it made me rotfl |
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| 19:11.31 | Xuerian | klip: Old gif is old. And funn |
| 19:11.34 | Xuerian | funny even |
| 19:12.31 | Lunessa | When the first movie came out, someone did a script for Gandalf trying to get a rez in Moria. |
| 19:12.58 | Lunessa | It was EQ-centric since that was "The Game" at the time. |
| 19:15.09 | mikma | Fisker-: flying penis is fake |
| 19:16.16 | ckknight | I have an important question: should the slug of a project (the url you see) be lowercase or mixed-case? Having it lowercase makes it consistent with everything else and is typically the "right way" to do it. Accessing it will be case-insensitive, technically, but the links provided will be properly lowercase. |
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| 19:17.16 | Fisker- | your mother is fake mikma |
| 19:17.41 | Xuerian | ckknight: Your explanation seems to answer your question, when written like that |
| 19:17.52 | mikma | Fisker-: you'd like that |
| 19:18.05 | Fisker- | nah |
| 19:18.05 | ckknight | Xuerian: I mostly want someone to agree with me so that I can just roll with it |
| 19:18.21 | mikma | Fisker-: http://kuvaton.com/bshit/cow.jpg |
| 19:20.36 | Xuerian | ckknight: lowercase is tasty: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=w03rz7&s=3 |
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| 19:23.48 | mib_jw13azyk | this is rly cool but it takes a lil while to load, you need IE7 for it http://78.86.227.254/ |
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| 19:24.31 | Lunessa | keylogger is logging ur keys. |
| 19:24.43 | wereHamster | IE7 because of it's exploitable bugs? |
| 19:24.47 | Lunessa | ya |
| 19:25.04 | Kaso | nice obfusicated source code too |
| 19:25.12 | Fisker- | i disagree wereHamster |
| 19:25.13 | Kaso | obfuscated |
| 19:25.45 | wereHamster | just counts from 0 to 100.. lame |
| 19:29.37 | zenzelezz | besides, everyone knows that people who join a channel, give a link and then leaves is totally trustworthy |
| 19:30.25 | mikma | heh, some days ago there was this "lady" telling us 'here's my nekkid pics' |
| 19:32.10 | alestane | "Now see, up north you've got a word, 'naked', en-ay-kay-ee-dee. Means you got no clothes on. Now we have that word down south, but we got another word too; "nekkid", en-ee-kay-kay-eye-dee. Means you got no clothes on, and you're up to something." |
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| 19:33.56 | Lunessa | that's true. |
| 19:35.45 | Xuerian | Aarg, dangit. Anyone have the download link foxit gave again? WAU decided to "Update" it ofr me |
| 19:36.26 | Xuerian | nevermind >.> |
| 19:43.32 | wereHamster | foxlit: I use a viewport addon to make my WorldFrame smaller. If I bind a ring to a mouse button and click outside of the WorldFrame, the ring doesn't come up |
| 19:43.44 | wereHamster | I have to click inside of the WorldFrame to make it work |
| 19:44.20 | foxlit | It's a global binding, really |
| 19:44.31 | foxlit | perhaps what you're clicking on handles the click already? |
| 19:45.57 | wereHamster | I don't think, I'm clicking into a black blackground, I think there's only UIParent beneath it |
| 19:47.14 | foxlit | Check GetMouseFocus() anyway :) |
| 19:47.52 | wereHamster | nil |
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| 19:52.38 | wereHamster | then global 'mouse'-bindings only work if you have your mouse over the WorldFrame :( |
| 19:57.19 | wereHamster | now if I only had a character that is currently supported by the ring profiles. All I have is a lvl70 pries and warlock, both don't have their profiles in OneRing yet :( |
| 20:00.02 | foxlit | I'm not really sure what to do for priests, really |
| 20:00.58 | dylanm | "Blizz, shadow priests need an AoE THIS WILL NOT STAND" |
| 20:01.10 | dylanm | Woops, wrong channel/topic. |
| 20:01.15 | foxlit | so? |
| 20:01.15 | dylanm | I do love those threads though. |
| 20:01.19 | foxlit | I need an AoE Moonfire aura |
| 20:01.25 | foxlit | You know, BT robot style |
| 20:01.31 | dylanm | Yessss. |
| 20:02.41 | Lukian | dylanm, well it's a bit unfair when shadow priests were one of the previous "evil" magic users |
| 20:02.50 | Lukian | and now DK's toddle along with "death and decay" |
| 20:03.30 | dylanm | I have been keeping myself away from the coverage -- can DKs restore party mana? |
| 20:03.50 | Lukian | doubt it :) |
| 20:04.24 | Lukian | I laugh at my friend when her 1k+ spelldmg spriest tries to outdps my level 70 hunter that's been max level for 2 days |
| 20:04.30 | dylanm | I love spriesting. I really can't complain a lot about it. |
| 20:04.48 | Lukian | I'm like "I'm doing this dps.. because you are giving me mana! Your purpose is of great utility!" |
| 20:05.05 | *** part/#wowuidev Slakah (n=James@5acd4396.bb.sky.com) |
| 20:05.09 | Kaso | http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Google-Street-View,news-1378.html (Woman Exposing Her Breasts Highlights Privacy Concerns Of Google Street View) (not as nsfw as it sounds) |
| 20:05.17 | dylanm | Wowinsider soap opera brought to life. |
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| 20:09.45 | foxlit | grumble grumble, shared hosting and SFTP |
| 20:10.08 | Lukian | mmm? |
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| 20:13.20 | MentalPower | wereHamster, Kaso, Fisker-, mikma, alestane: in case you were wondering, I slightly de-obfuscated that page's code http://wowuidev.pastey.net/88053-36pn |
| 20:13.50 | dylanm | MentalPower: What's that? |
| 20:14.06 | foxlit | Basically, SFTP at my host requires a real shell account |
| 20:14.10 | MentalPower | dylanm: some driveby spam someone sent |
| 20:14.15 | MentalPower | to the channel |
| 20:14.23 | dylanm | It doesn't look, uh, legit. |
| 20:14.26 | dylanm | Like, at all. |
| 20:14.44 | foxlit | Which maps more or less directly to one account; meaning you can't specify finer grained accounts if you want to connect securely :( |
| 20:14.50 | durcyn | foxlit: scponly or rssh |
| 20:15.11 | foxlit | neither word rings a bell |
| 20:15.12 | Kaso | MP, thats interesting, the variable names are different from the version i looked at. I guess the obfuscation happens on request from a clear version. |
| 20:15.18 | Lopeppeppy | MP, what wsa the original link for? |
| 20:15.27 | durcyn | foxlit: restricted shells that only allow scp/sftp through |
| 20:15.34 | MentalPower | [15:22:32]<mib_jw13azyk>this is rly cool but it takes a lil while to load, you need IE7 for it <removed> |
| 20:15.55 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, now I see it. *nod* |
| 20:16.29 | MentalPower | Kaso: didn't try multiple reloads |
| 20:16.55 | MentalPower | Kaso: I did try unescaping the unicode junk, but to me its just that, junk |
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| 20:21.14 | Kaso | that code doesnt seem to be that exploititive.. |
| 20:38.08 | ScytheBlade1 | "Contrary to many fanboy and armchair security expert flames Blizzard does indeed know about your surfing habits while you are playing WoW and a whole lot more." |
| 20:38.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Makes me want to cut whoever wrote that article for WoW Insider :/ |
| 20:38.37 | durcyn | eh, Warden is pretty abusive. |
| 20:39.07 | Fisker- | blargh i'm ded kd3 |
| 20:39.10 | foxlit | wowinsider . factual accuracy = 0 |
| 20:39.17 | Lukian | I'd like to see it read the titles of my linux windows, durcyn :) |
| 20:39.18 | ScytheBlade1 | But it doesn't send your browsing history off to blizz HQ, like that line would lead you to believe ;) |
| 20:40.14 | foxlit | By the same logic, google reads your email! |
| 20:40.16 | Fisker- | wowinsider be the best site out there yo |
| 20:40.58 | foxlit | your antivirus also knows you're viewing porn |
| 20:41.04 | foxlit | Hah, that'd be fun. |
| 20:41.15 | foxlit | Norton could get into the advertising business. |
| 20:41.32 | Snago | hehe, I knew it was a good idea to copy/paste the WotLK FFA patch notes for future reference, just in case ;) |
| 20:42.43 | foxlit | http://cache.search.yahoo-ht2.akadns.net/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=mmo-champion.com&fr=yfp-t-501&fp_ip=DK&u=www.mmo-champion.com/&d=cpycMjWxQ0LD&icp=1&.intl=us |
| 20:42.45 | foxlit | do I win? |
| 20:43.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Not like the notes even told us much of anything |
| 20:43.39 | Fisker- | wowinsider fails again |
| 20:43.50 | Fisker- | I encountered the ill-placed wrath of the Peacekeepers myself when I rezzed my wife's toon in front of the Staging Area. |
| 20:43.55 | Fisker- | learn2notresspvpvictims |
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| 20:44.24 | foxlit | Why would anyone want to res anyone there? |
| 20:44.35 | foxlit | it's practically release - respawn. |
| 20:44.39 | Fisker- | because the 11 seconds it takes to walk is more than 10 seconds |
| 20:46.25 | foxlit | "if you think spam is bad now, imagine if it had your name and the product/service you were looking at mere moments ago. Scary." |
| 20:46.32 | foxlit | What, it might actually become relevant?! |
| 20:46.55 | Diskmaster | ... ahahaha |
| 20:47.16 | Diskmaster | <Warden> Ok, so I see ... one window. Wait what? |
| 20:47.41 | ag` | Spells and talents will be available for testing past 70 for the following classes: Druid, Mage, Priest, Shaman, Warlock, Warrior |
| 20:47.45 | ag` | where can we see them? :P |
| 20:47.45 | foxlit | It's Warhammer Online |
| 20:47.47 | foxlit | KEEEL IT! |
| 20:48.05 | Kirov | "We see you were looking at Lusty Ladies but decided not to subscribe. Perhaps you'd like to look at Skanks R Us?" |
| 20:48.54 | Fisker- | when we get a client macfag`_ |
| 20:49.21 | Fisker- | SITE UP |
| 20:49.27 | Fisker- | beta.worldowarcraft.com :O |
| 20:49.38 | Diskmaster | in b4 keylogger |
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| 20:52.34 | ag` | the new priest talents better not suck |
| 20:52.42 | ag` | or I'll quit the game and delete everything on the SVN |
| 20:52.46 | ag` | including yours |
| 20:53.24 | Fisker- | hmm |
| 20:53.27 | Fisker- | client not up yet ;( |
| 20:53.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Interesting clause in the agreement |
| 20:53.40 | ScytheBlade1 | "you may not be a member of the press; and (v) you may not maintain a gaming fan or guild website." |
| 20:54.31 | Lukian | that last one is a bit harsh : |
| 20:54.31 | foxlit | Is there a listing of shared media fonts somewhere? |
| 20:54.37 | foxlit | preferably with screenshots? |
| 20:54.48 | Fisker- | wtf ScytheBlade1 :D |
| 20:55.00 | Fisker- | doesn't make sense |
| 20:55.34 | foxlit | nevermind; apparently does not share any of its own fonts |
| 20:56.10 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
| 20:56.10 | ScytheBlade1 | "# |
| 20:56.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Boo that copied as 10 lines for some reason |
| 20:56.37 | ScytheBlade1 | "For purposes of example and not limitation, you agree that you will not disclose the following:" |
| 20:56.44 | ScytheBlade1 | "The existence of the Alpha Test." |
| 20:56.49 | ScytheBlade1 | "Your role as an Alpha Tester." |
| 20:56.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Whoops! |
| 20:57.34 | ScytheBlade1 | I really have to wonder just who will never be invited back to be a tester due to those clauses |
| 20:57.44 | Duman | o.O |
| 20:57.58 | Diskmaster | <Ackbar> IT'S A TRAP. |
| 20:58.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Wait, wtf |
| 20:58.04 | Duman | TARP |
| 20:58.05 | ScytheBlade1 | "This Agreement shall be deemed to have been made and executed in the State of Delaware, and any dispute arising hereunder shall be resolved in accordance with the law of Delaware." |
| 20:58.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Delaware? |
| 20:58.17 | Duman | incorporated in delaware |
| 20:58.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Must be |
| 20:58.39 | Duman | wtf are you reading, btw? |
| 20:58.50 | ScytheBlade1 | The Wrath F&F EULA |
| 20:58.57 | Duman | url? |
| 20:59.02 | ScytheBlade1 | beta. |
| 21:00.09 | Duman | oh |
| 21:00.40 | Duman | sends me to access denied |
| 21:00.49 | Fisker- | i don't get access denied? :D |
| 21:00.55 | Duman | :-( |
| 21:00.57 | Duman | n o love |
| 21:01.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Links at the top |
| 21:01.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Hit upgrade |
| 21:01.21 | ScytheBlade1 | I would recommend against clicking agree at the bottom, however |
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| 21:01.49 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Zootfizzle] by ChanServ |
| 21:01.55 | Lukian | I can't even load the website :p |
| 21:01.58 | Lukian | (or mmo-champion) |
| 21:02.29 | Fisker- | why ScytheBlade1? |
| 21:02.35 | *** part/#wowuidev Zootfizzle (i=c64a263b@WoWUIDev/Blizz/Zooty-Zoot-Zoot) |
| 21:02.51 | Tenchworks | I kept getting acces denied and then all a sudden the page reloaded and i got "Enter Your Wrath of the Lich King Authentication Key" for upgrading my account to wotlk status |
| 21:03.14 | Tenchworks | too bad I don't have a key |
| 21:03.41 | Fisker- | i can guess one! |
| 21:03.44 | Intangir | are they going to let people play wotlk at blizzcon? |
| 21:03.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Just a thought |
| 21:03.56 | ScytheBlade1 | They probably log that site pretty heavily :P |
| 21:03.58 | Intangir | also are they going to get to copy their own characters to blizzcon servers again? |
| 21:04.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Considering you'd be passing your account name over to them, doing stupid things would be exceptionally stupid in this case |
| 21:05.36 | Fisker- | ah |
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| 21:05.41 | Fisker- | but that's not the i agree part though |
| 21:05.44 | Intangir | lets hack it! |
| 21:05.44 | Fisker- | and i doubt they care :P |
| 21:05.58 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 21:06.08 | Intangir | blizz has banned people for alot less |
| 21:06.12 | Intangir | without warning |
| 21:06.15 | Intangir | or violation |
| 21:10.17 | SinusPi | or reason |
| 21:10.20 | SinusPi | or common sense. |
| 21:10.33 | Intangir | probably |
| 21:11.33 | enum | is it possible to get a count / size of a table? for example: t1 = { a = 1, b = 2 } count for this table would be "2" because there are 2 elements |
| 21:12.09 | Xinhuan | pairs over it and count |
| 21:12.17 | enum | I figured, thanks |
| 21:12.18 | Xinhuan | (is the only way) |
| 21:13.08 | Snago | If you had t = {a, b} (so t[1] would be == a) you could get the count with #t |
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| 21:21.44 | GFT | hi.. can anyone help me by answering some questiosn in a PM about developing wow addons? |
| 21:21.58 | GFT | never done it before, but I do have scripting knowledge |
| 21:22.14 | _rane | ~asktoask |
| 21:22.14 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 21:22.26 | MentalPower | oh, and PMs here are discouraged |
| 21:22.54 | GFT | ok well are there any dev tools for developing addons? or is most things just done in notepad and whatnot |
| 21:23.27 | jaeger | Greetings, all. I'm working on a replacement player frame as a learning project and it works quite well except for one thing: clicks don't pass through the statusbar frames I've put on top of the main frame. How do I change that? |
| 21:23.52 | _rane | your stardard editor with lua syntax highlighting works just fine |
| 21:23.52 | Josh_Borke | jaeger: EnableMouse(0) on the StatusBar frames |
| 21:24.02 | jaeger | Or am I going about it the wrong way? There's a container frame that holds statusbar frames (for health, xp, mana, etc.) and the statusbar frames are the ones eating mouse clicks |
| 21:24.09 | jaeger | Josh_Borke: that simple? I'm gonna feel dumb now :) |
| 21:24.21 | jaeger | I assumed EnableMouse was false, guess that's a bad assumption |
| 21:24.24 | GFT | any brands of lua editors to grab? |
| 21:24.42 | Josh_Borke | GFT: i use vim myself |
| 21:24.47 | alestane | GFT: If you want to look into it, there is a Visual Studio derivative called WoW Addon Studio which is free, but feedback about it has been mixed. |
| 21:24.57 | MentalPower | GFT: I use Notepad++ others use SciTe and pretty much every other text editor under the sun |
| 21:25.28 | _rane | TextMate <3 |
| 21:25.41 | jaeger | Josh_Borke: yep, that's all it was, thanks a bunch :) |
| 21:25.53 | GFT | ok.. the addon I am looking to make is an easier way to buyout auctions... I know that everything is event based, so an action has to happen before the addon will work... |
| 21:26.15 | GFT | and I have looked into it enough to realize that you can't buy multiple auctions at the same time |
| 21:26.39 | GFT | was sort of looking at a way to have an easy button to lcick next to each auction that would not use a confirmation and just buy it out |
| 21:26.41 | GFT | so you could hit them faster |
| 21:26.44 | GFT | is this possible? |
| 21:27.57 | MentalPower | yes it is |
| 21:28.15 | MentalPower | also you can buyout more than one auction with a single click |
| 21:28.25 | MentalPower | so long as they are all in the same page |
| 21:28.33 | GFT | ok that would be awesome |
| 21:28.38 | GFT | I will look into doing it |
| 21:28.45 | Fisker- | man |
| 21:28.50 | Fisker- | can't find the english client yet :( |
| 21:28.57 | MentalPower | Fisker-: huh? |
| 21:29.58 | kd3 | F&F alpha's begun... there's stuff to be had |
| 21:32.01 | Fisker- | oh yeah |
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| 21:40.50 | GFT | wow this is a little difficult |
| 21:40.51 | GFT | hah |
| 21:41.37 | Intangir | damn im tired |
| 21:42.02 | GFT | i might be willing to paypal someone about $20-$30 to help me in creating this addon :P I want to learn |
| 21:42.03 | GFT | haha |
| 21:43.35 | cog|work | GFT: if you want to learn then... |
| 21:43.38 | cog|work | ~wowprogramming |
| 21:43.38 | purl | rumour has it, wowprogramming is World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons (http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob) a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 21:43.48 | cog|work | paypal $20-30 to amazon :P |
| 21:43.57 | jaeger | I just recently bought it, learned a lot so far |
| 21:44.01 | GFT | yeah but then I have to wait for them to send it me haha |
| 21:44.04 | jaeger | so good work on that :) |
| 21:44.07 | Duman | got my book the other day |
| 21:44.07 | GFT | but I would defnitely consider buying it |
| 21:44.10 | Duman | or rather, it arrived |
| 21:44.22 | Duman | I still need to get you to sign it, cog ;) |
| 21:44.31 | cog|work | Duman: http://blizzcon.com |
| 21:44.32 | cog|work | ;) |
| 21:44.37 | Duman | yeah |
| 21:45.00 | Duman | I just meant I think you're the only one that is relatively close to me... but going to blizzcon would be rad, too |
| 21:45.34 | cog|work | Kaelten *used* to be relatively close :P |
| 21:45.42 | Duman | ahh |
| 21:45.56 | Kaelten | I just moved away from san fran |
| 21:46.04 | Duman | why would you do that |
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| 21:46.10 | Duman | (then again, I live in teh south bay...) |
| 21:46.11 | Duman | heh |
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| 21:46.16 | Kaelten | oops |
| 21:46.25 | Duman | [02:46PM] > why would you do that |
| 21:46.26 | Duman | [02:46PM] > (then again, I live in teh south bay...) |
| 21:46.29 | cog|work | ctrl-W ftl? |
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| 21:46.35 | Duman | haha |
| 21:46.39 | Shirik | what's ctrl-w? |
| 21:46.46 | Duman | close window |
| 21:46.52 | cog|work | Shirik: close window in many windows apps |
| 21:46.56 | Shirik | hm, not mirc :P |
| 21:46.59 | cog|work | (usually multi-document) |
| 21:47.17 | Duman | altho thats' why I stopped using a GUI IRC client... I would hit ESC way too often (vi habit) |
| 21:47.23 | durcyn | you're thinking mac cmd-w, windows is ctrl-f4 |
| 21:47.24 | Shirik | I thought it was ctrl+f4 |
| 21:47.35 | Duman | control-w works in most windows stuff, too |
| 21:47.41 | clad|sleep | control-w is windows |
| 21:47.44 | clad|sleep | for almost everything important |
| 21:47.46 | clad|sleep | any MDI application |
| 21:47.49 | Duman | browswers, email clients, etc |
| 21:47.56 | Duman | holy typing |
| 21:48.05 | Shirik | ctrl+f4 works too |
| 21:48.12 | Shirik | if visual studio is to be considered "anything important" |
| 21:48.12 | clad|sleep | yes |
| 21:48.13 | cog|work | none of us said otherwise :P |
| 21:48.16 | clad|sleep | but w is an easier key |
| 21:48.17 | Duman | heh |
| 21:48.18 | clad|sleep | :P |
| 21:48.27 | Duman | much closer for the fingers |
| 21:48.28 | Shirik | nah, w is in an ugly spot |
| 21:48.41 | Shirik | f4 I can reach easily without using my ring finger |
| 21:48.55 | cog|work | but can you ctrl-f4 easier than ctrl-w? |
| 21:49.01 | clad|sleep | i find that hard to believe |
| 21:49.14 | Duman | your keyboard must have your fn keys close to your top row |
| 21:49.17 | clad|sleep | cog|work's question that is. |
| 21:49.18 | Shirik | hm, ctrl+w doesn't work in visual studio either |
| 21:49.56 | clad|sleep | even if you have multiple files open? |
| 21:50.02 | Shirik | nope |
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| 21:50.06 | clad|sleep | *shrug* |
| 21:50.06 | Duman | gah |
| 21:50.09 | clad|sleep | clearly not a real application |
| 21:50.09 | clad|sleep | :P |
| 21:50.11 | clad|sleep | night all |
| 21:50.18 | Duman | stupid FF3rc1 broke our chat javascript |
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| 21:50.37 | Shirik | mac lover >.> |
| 21:50.37 | Lukian | clearly your js was broken in the first place :o |
| 21:50.38 | Intangir | ctl-w is close tab |
| 21:50.45 | Intangir | on most linux stuff |
| 21:50.45 | Duman | luk: probably :) |
| 21:50.56 | Intangir | and firefox |
| 21:51.30 | Duman | they had to fix it once for the ff3 betas, I'm wondering if FF changed something else, or if they (ourside) reverted something by accident |
| 21:52.53 | Fisker- | it's Fx |
| 21:52.54 | Duman | man |
| 21:53.29 | Lukian | just call it GRE :p |
| 21:53.34 | Lukian | or Gecko |
| 21:58.39 | Zurik | I have a question: what would cause a button to expand to the full size of a frame when i use SetHeight()? |
| 21:58.44 | Zurik | on the frame? |
| 21:58.51 | JoshBorke | Zurik: SetPoint |
| 22:01.09 | Zurik | ok, what does SetPoint do again? |
| 22:01.18 | JoshBorke | Zurik: it sets the anchors for the frame |
| 22:01.26 | Zurik | awh.. kk. |
| 22:02.03 | Zurik | so like this? viewGroupBtn:SetPoint("RIGHT",this:GetParent()) |
| 22:02.26 | JoshBorke | yes, that would set the right side to stick to the right side of the parent |
| 22:02.53 | Zurik | hrm.. kk.. |
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| 22:08.31 | foxlit | Hm, someone was right about SetOverrideBindingClick |
| 22:08.38 | foxlit | It only works on top of the world frame :( |
| 22:09.47 | alestane | foxlit: what are you trying to do? |
| 22:10.06 | foxlit | Bind a mouse click to a button |
| 22:10.37 | nevcairiel | what do you mean with on top of the world frame? |
| 22:10.59 | foxlit | WorldFrame:SetHeight(WorldFame:GetHeight()/2); |
| 22:11.00 | cog|work | no, it doesn't have to be on the world frame, it just has to be not on any mouse enabled frames |
| 22:11.09 | foxlit | Hit the binding over the world frame region: it works |
| 22:11.18 | foxlit | Hit the binding over the black region: it doesn't work |
| 22:11.20 | cog|work | oh nm |
| 22:11.26 | nevcairiel | really? |
| 22:11.27 | nevcairiel | thats crazy |
| 22:11.29 | cog|work | odd |
| 22:11.36 | nevcairiel | good that i dont shrink my WF |
| 22:11.42 | foxlit | Yet makes sense, in a way |
| 22:12.05 | foxlit | It's probably WorldFrame that ends up handling any clicks on it and translating them to trappable bindings. |
| 22:12.07 | nevcairiel | wonder if the worldframe has a OnKeyDown handler :P |
| 22:12.20 | nevcairiel | or OnClick for that matter |
| 22:12.43 | foxlit | no |
| 22:12.59 | foxlit | Rather, no OnClick |
| 22:13.05 | foxlit | You can hook OnKeyDown |
| 22:13.13 | foxlit | And break everything |
| 22:13.22 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 22:13.33 | foxlit | Game stops handling key bindings at that point :) |
| 22:13.50 | nevcairiel | the lua has nothing defined, possibly hard-coded in the WorldFrame widget |
| 22:14.22 | foxlit | It's probably easier than that |
| 22:14.34 | foxlit | Only keys that aren't handled by anything are passed on to be treated as bindings |
| 22:14.53 | foxlit | Catching them with ANY OnKeyDown, including WorldFrame's simply marks them as handled. |
| 22:15.05 | nevcairiel | probably |
| 22:15.11 | nevcairiel | thats why hooking OnKeyDown breaks you |
| 22:15.47 | foxlit | But SetBinding() API really shouldn't break when it's done over dead space |
| 22:15.53 | foxlit | Could someone post that somewhere? :) |
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| 22:17.01 | Fisker- | ~failrik |
| 22:17.01 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 22:17.12 | Shirik | I hate you so much |
| 22:17.30 | batrick | hello friends |
| 22:18.34 | Shirik | So I was working on this microcontroller today, programming it, and I spent 30 minutes trying to figure out why it kept resetting (every time I did a single step in the debugger, it went back to the reset vector) |
| 22:18.56 | Shirik | after 30 minutes I finally realized the power was off on the board :( |
| 22:19.03 | MentalPower | lol |
| 22:19.10 | MentalPower | ~failrik |
| 22:19.11 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 22:19.16 | Shirik | you would think the debugger would tell you that there's no power |
| 22:19.28 | Shirik | but I guess because it's a chip emulator, it just provided its own power |
| 22:19.28 | batrick | what kind of board is it shirik |
| 22:19.39 | Shirik | the board is custom, put together by me |
| 22:19.48 | Shirik | the chip was a PIC16F873A |
| 22:19.55 | batrick | u ever work on a xilinx vertex 4 power pc? |
| 22:20.00 | Shirik | can't say I have |
| 22:20.04 | batrick | ah : / |
| 22:20.12 | batrick | well if you do, don't _ever_ use register 0 |
| 22:20.15 | Shirik | we use an in-circuit emulator though, I've never used it before and that's why I didn't expect it to keep going without power |
| 22:20.20 | Shirik | register 0? |
| 22:20.33 | batrick | one of the registers in power pc |
| 22:20.35 | batrick | it's evil |
| 22:20.46 | batrick | it will corrupt all your work in the most insidious ways |
| 22:21.18 | Shirik | mplab in-circuit emulator: http://www.microchip.com/stellent/idcplg?IdcService=SS_GET_PAGE&nodeId=1406&dDocName=en010017 |
| 22:21.31 | Shirik | it's pretty cool, it has the exact same footprint as the actual chip |
| 22:21.44 | Shirik | so you can stick it in in its place, and then it connects to your computer and you can single step or whatever |
| 22:21.51 | Shirik | everything functions as if it were the actual thing |
| 22:23.12 | Shirik | batrick, I don't get it. If it's horrible, why does it exist? |
| 22:23.40 | batrick | cuz the chip designers have a sense of humour? |
| 22:23.43 | batrick | iono |
| 22:23.47 | Shirik | lol |
| 22:24.46 | foxlit | ~logs |
| 22:24.47 | purl | [logs] apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 22:24.50 | Shirik | PICs are fun though. You have to really know what you're doing. Only one working register and you only have access to 1/4 of the memory at a time (with a few exceptions) |
| 22:25.12 | foxlit | wonder when that updates |
| 22:25.15 | Shirik | you have to choose what bank of memory you want to use, etc. |
| 22:25.40 | MentalPower | foxlit: ask #infobot |
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| 22:26.21 | foxlit | at the end of the day |
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| 22:30.20 | Shirik | so last night we tried council for the first time |
| 22:30.34 | Shirik | it didn't go poorly but people kept dying to stupid stuff like aoes |
| 22:30.44 | Shirik | so I check the guild forums and everyone is suggesting that we bring more healers |
| 22:30.50 | foxlit | It's an HP check as well as a heal check |
| 22:30.55 | Shirik | ffs it's not hard, get the hell out of the fire |
| 22:31.00 | Shirik | everyone just stands in it |
| 22:31.24 | foxlit | really? |
| 22:31.27 | Shirik | the only "real" problem we had I think was the rogue |
| 22:31.29 | Shirik | yes! |
| 22:31.34 | Shirik | especially the melee |
| 22:32.03 | foxlit | That's mainly up to your tank |
| 22:32.17 | Shirik | still, let's see |
| 22:32.21 | Shirik | aoe on the main tank |
| 22:32.23 | foxlit | Who should move him agressively and not stand in things |
| 22:32.30 | Shirik | and main tank decides not to move |
| 22:32.36 | Shirik | my choices as a melee dps consist of |
| 22:32.48 | Shirik | 1. Keep DPSing because that's where the mob is and die |
| 22:33.00 | foxlit | 2. Get a better tank |
| 22:33.06 | Shirik | 2. Get out of the fire, wait a bit until the MT realizes to GTFO, then go back in |
| 22:33.17 | Shirik | I can't see why you'd choose #1 |
| 22:33.27 | Shirik | oh I forgot, sorry |
| 22:33.29 | Shirik | 2222222222222 |
| 22:33.41 | Shirik | shift-2 |
| 22:33.41 | Shirik | 222 |
| 22:33.59 | Shirik | maybe rogues don't do that as much |
| 22:34.07 | Shirik | I don't know much about rogues |
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| 22:37.22 | Zurik | Another q for yall, is there a way to set padding of a frame? so that the border of a frame isn't touching other elements inside it? |
| 22:37.36 | JoshBork1 | Zurik: space it out |
| 22:37.44 | JoshBork1 | Zurik: anchors support offsets |
| 22:37.47 | Shirik | uh, when you do SetPoint, don't SetPoint to it exactly? |
| 22:38.36 | Shirik | Region:SetPoint("point","relativeFrame" or relativeObject,"relativePoint"[, xOfs, yOfs]) - Set an attachment point of this object - Updated in 1.10. Since 2.2 cooordinates are now relative to the closest anchor point |
| 22:39.01 | Zurik | awh.. ic.. thanks' |
| 22:39.22 | Zurik | I should have looked at the api before asking.. cuz i would have seen the xOfs & yOfs. |
| 22:39.30 | Zurik | thankx tho. |
| 22:39.33 | Shirik | np |
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| 22:59.45 | Zurik | does anyone know what would make a frame shrink to an element? I have a dropdown that i'm placing in a frame and it for some strange reason makes my frame shrink to the size of the dropdown box. |
| 23:00.03 | Zurik | only height wise. |
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| 23:01.04 | Kirov | Zurik - sounds like you have an ownership issue, like some of the dropdown code you have you've pointed at your main frame rather than the dropdown frame |
| 23:01.30 | Zurik | thanks, i'll have to check that. |
| 23:04.17 | Zurik | this is in my dropdown _Construct self:SetPoint("CENTER",this:GetParent()) |
| 23:04.24 | Zurik | would that be causing the issue? |
| 23:06.05 | Xuerian | foxlit: Is there a way to use the unit that *was* mouseover when the ring was popped, with regard to abilities/spells? |
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| 23:07.35 | foxlit | I don't think there is |
| 23:07.41 | Shirik | that is an odd quote from Tem o.o |
| 23:08.10 | Zurik | Shirik: Do you have any Idea where i could go for hired help on wow Addon Development? |
| 23:08.46 | Tem | Shirik, it's actually a quote from the star wars family guy |
| 23:08.54 | Shirik | I have seen people asking on the wow forums about it, but really it's not a very frequently asked thing, thus there isn't really a "good place" to go for it |
| 23:09.01 | Shirik | ah Tem, I missed that one unfortunately :( |
| 23:09.03 | Tem | "Aren't you a little fat to be a Storm Trooper?" |
| 23:09.11 | Tem | "Well the stay here and rot, you suck up bitch" |
| 23:09.16 | Tem | s/the/then/ |
| 23:09.52 | Zurik | :( |
| 23:10.57 | Guillotine | Zurik: Really, here and #wowace are the places you're going to find most of the best people. You have a better chance of finding someone if you state the monetary range first and its reasonable (especially for such an extensive addon as the one you want written) |
| 23:11.51 | Zurik | oh, like how much i'm willing to pay? |
| 23:12.04 | Guillotine | yes |
| 23:12.11 | Guillotine | Hell, just the UI you had concept art of is quite extensive. Not to mention all the problems with distributed databases and preventing people from changing their own score |
| 23:12.33 | Zurik | oh.. i got all those details worked out already :) |
| 23:12.46 | Zurik | I have everything down to a T. |
| 23:13.00 | Zurik | I just can't seem to build it on my own. |
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| 23:13.39 | foxlit | score, which score?! |
| 23:13.43 | Zurik | well Guill: what is resonable? i have no clue? I was paying 65 per hour for the other guy. |
| 23:13.55 | Zurik | Foxlit: player rating score. |
| 23:14.15 | Guillotine | That is pretty reasonable. Though I'm not sure how you'd track how much time people are actually spending on it |
| 23:14.52 | foxlit | So what is a player rating? |
| 23:14.52 | Guillotine | Zurik: also, it really depends. Do you plan on selling the addon? Or starting a website based around it and making money via ads? Usually people are going to want more if their work is going to be directly sold |
| 23:14.57 | Guillotine | foxlit: e.g. karma score |
| 23:15.56 | Zurik | I have the website built to about 75 - 80%.. and it's a membership based website. $3 a month. |
| 23:16.21 | Riffage | what do you get for the membership? |
| 23:16.59 | Zurik | Offline, group scheduleing, guild tools, player rating system.. distributed looting system.. check out http://wowcorefive.com for the detials. |
| 23:17.21 | Zurik | err.. details* |
| 23:17.32 | Guillotine | Zurik: Make sure you have a watered-down version available free that at least lets you rate and enough features to encourage people to use it. A lot of people don't like paying any membership just because of the hastle, and the player rating is useless unless you have a LOT of people using it |
| 23:18.23 | Zurik | correct.. and we do have that in the plan. |
| 23:19.12 | Guillotine | Really, if the addon functions as you specify on the website, I can see it being very popular |
| 23:19.32 | Riffage | just looking at the shots, obviously they are mockups, but thats seriously a lot of information |
| 23:19.47 | Riffage | you should work out whats really needed, as thats just overloading me with info |
| 23:20.08 | Zurik | yeah, they are mockups... but the addon that i'm working on.. the profile screen is mostly working.. and looks pretty damn close to the mockup |
| 23:20.28 | Guillotine | Zurik: Also, one last thing you need to think about is that WotLK is coming out, and there are bound to be UI changes. So parts (possibly large parts) may need to be rewritten for LK. |
| 23:20.48 | Riffage | if anything, id probably wait for that to come out |
| 23:20.51 | Riffage | then you release this |
| 23:20.57 | Zurik | yarp, it's an ongoing project.. this isn't a fly by night deal. |
| 23:21.08 | Riffage | so that all the people that return for LK can pick it up |
| 23:21.30 | Zurik | I can't unfortunately.. I can't last that long financially. |
| 23:21.53 | Guillotine | It really looks like a great project and I wish I could help. I look forward to seeing it released :) |
| 23:21.53 | Zurik | I am doing this full time. |
| 23:22.23 | Zurik | yeah, well if you know of anyone that might be instrested in hoping on this project.. have them contact me. |
| 23:22.31 | Guillotine | Zurik: again, it would be WELL worth buying the wowprogramming book, whether you're the one doing the primary programming or not |
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| 23:22.48 | Guillotine | especially if you are |
| 23:23.02 | Zurik | I had it in my shopping cart already.. i just hadn't clicked the purchase button lol. |
| 23:23.20 | Zurik | that was the other night. |
| 23:23.31 | Zurik | and then my stupid browser crashed and i lost the site you had linked. |
| 23:23.47 | Zurik | can you give me the link to it again? |
| 23:23.53 | Zurik | cuz i wanted to get it. |
| 23:24.03 | Riffage | just out of interest (as I dont know if you are a programmer for something else or not) are you using source control? |
| 23:24.23 | Shirik | no offense to Zurik |
| 23:24.29 | Shirik | I don't think he knows what that is |
| 23:24.38 | Shirik | or are you talking to someone else? |
| 23:24.40 | Zurik | Yeah, thanks Shirik.. haha. |
| 23:25.01 | Zurik | Yes, i know what source control is.. and no were not using any svc atm. |
| 23:25.13 | Zurik | but i'd like to if i get a developer working on this.. |
| 23:25.26 | Zurik | right now it's just me.. and i'm struggling big time. |
| 23:25.44 | Zurik | I do program, mostly web stuff tho. |
| 23:25.51 | Riffage | as the others have said, I would like to help, but i dont have the time |
| 23:25.54 | Zurik | coldfusion, javascript, etc.. |
| 23:25.55 | Guillotine | He really is a programmer iirc (just not used to Lua), which is what makes me think he could really do this himself with some instruction |
| 23:26.01 | Riffage | too busy coding my own hobby projects ;) |
| 23:26.13 | Shirik | I didn't know that actually |
| 23:26.37 | Guillotine | Zurik: http://www.wowprogramming.com/store and its World of Warcraft Programming |
| 23:26.41 | Guillotine | that is also the website for the book |
| 23:26.41 | Riffage | but good luck to you :) |
| 23:26.41 | Zurik | yep.. i sure could.. I just don't know if it would be better to just hire someone.. or to learn it. :/ |
| 23:26.44 | Shirik | I was about to recommend that as well |
| 23:26.49 | Zurik | or if i have enough time to learn it. |
| 23:27.14 | Zurik | Guill: thanks! |
| 23:27.21 | Guillotine | Zurik: Lua is like pseudo-code. If you've done just about any programming language, you will pick it up VERY quickly |
| 23:27.51 | Xuerian | (In fact, I don't see why lua isn't picked up as a functional psuedo-code by learning institutions) |
| 23:27.57 | Zurik | yeah i'm already .. catching on.. like i finally got the drop down working.. and i've gotten some frames working and stuff like that. |
| 23:28.13 | Adys | dumb question |
| 23:28.16 | Zurik | i know how to make functions.. and that drop down is dynamic now.. and resusable code. |
| 23:28.17 | Guillotine | Some of WoW's more specific features (like secure frames) are not as easy, but I don't think you'll need any of the complicated stuff like that |
| 23:28.21 | foxlit | Xuerrian: too nice! :) |
| 23:28.22 | Arrowmaster | Xuerian: because theres nobody willing to pay them to teach lua |
| 23:28.22 | Shirik | Xuerian: The answer to that is simple |
| 23:28.25 | Shirik | people don't like to change |
| 23:28.25 | Guillotine | Adys: dumb answer |
| 23:28.27 | Adys | how is dps calculated ingame, aka is there any specific stuff to it? |
| 23:28.32 | Adys | Guillotine, too late! |
| 23:28.43 | Guillotine | Adys: you mean for items? |
| 23:28.46 | Adys | yea |
| 23:28.51 | Xuerian | Well, three different answers, all probably true >_> |
| 23:28.52 | Adys | weapons, both ranged and melee |
| 23:29.04 | Guillotine | (maxdmg+mindmg)/weaponspeed |
| 23:29.09 | Guillotine | err |
| 23:29.17 | Guillotine | theres a 2 in the denominator there |
| 23:29.19 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:29.37 | foxlit | SetAttributes(RB, "*statedownbutton1","D1", "*newstate1","1:0", "*newstate-D1","0:1;1:0"); |
| 23:30.25 | foxlit | RB is an ordinary SecureActionButton... wonder where those attributes are handled |
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| 23:33.56 | Zurik | books purchased :) |
| 23:34.05 | Zurik | hope they help. |
| 23:34.11 | Shirik | they will :) |
| 23:34.20 | Zurik | ok, so i need an opinion now... |
| 23:34.43 | Shirik | wow > eq |
| 23:34.46 | Zurik | would it be better for me to start from scratch on this thing? or keep trying to stack onto what they other developer already did. |
| 23:34.57 | Zurik | shirik: lol |
| 23:35.25 | foxlit | correct answer: SecureStateChild_OnClick |
| 23:35.48 | Zurik | the only reason, i've been continueing off of his development is because, what he did.. looks really really good. |
| 23:35.55 | Shirik | that's really a personal opinion |
| 23:36.21 | Shirik | if you like the code take it |
| 23:36.23 | Zurik | well he wrote everything all LUA, and i'm not sure if it's easier to use XML? |
| 23:36.24 | krka | Zurik: Lua is not an acronym. It is a Portuguese word that means moon. |
| 23:36.27 | Shirik | if you think you can do better, don't |
| 23:36.44 | Shirik | that's also a personal opinion |
| 23:36.47 | Shirik | Personally, I hate XML |
| 23:36.51 | Shirik | Others swear by it |
| 23:37.04 | Shirik | Almost everything can be done with both |
| 23:37.15 | Guillotine | I hate XML as well, but in some ways its better |
| 23:37.16 | Zurik | hrm.. k. |
| 23:37.36 | Shirik | and in some ways Lua's better :) |
| 23:37.48 | Zurik | well i'm using the WOW UI Designer.. and since everything is all lua, it's pretty much worthless. |
| 23:37.57 | Guillotine | And it really depends on what you're comfortable with. If you like the previous developer's code and can read it, go ahead and continue it |
| 23:38.10 | Guillotine | don't use that for something like this |
| 23:38.17 | Guillotine | it creates a lot of extraneous frames/data |
| 23:38.37 | Zurik | yeah, i'm just using it as an editor for syntax highlighting now. |
| 23:38.49 | Zurik | unless you have something better that I should be using. |
| 23:38.55 | Guillotine | Nope, thats great :) |
| 23:39.09 | Guillotine | I personally use SciTe, but thats just because I use it for everything else and didn't want to download another editor |
| 23:39.47 | Zurik | yeah, if they had lua for dreamweaver, i'd probably use that.. lol |
| 23:39.50 | Zurik | but, this works pretty well. |
| 23:40.28 | Zurik | well i'm going to keep truckin away on this.. hope you guys don't mind me popping in whith questions all z time. |
| 23:40.41 | Xuerian | That's pretty much what this channel is for |
| 23:40.42 | Guillotine | Well, that book explains both XML and Lua created frames, so you can see which you like more. As a web developer, you may find XML more comfortable, but I really don't know |
| 23:40.43 | Shirik | that's what we're here for |
| 23:40.57 | Guillotine | Wait, really? I'm just here for purl |
| 23:41.01 | Guillotine | hi purl! |
| 23:41.04 | Guillotine | purl, hi! |
| 23:41.05 | purl | hi |
| 23:42.21 | Shirik | hi |
| 23:42.25 | Shirik | hello |
| 23:42.25 | Zurik | lol |
| 23:42.30 | Shirik | hm, they fixed purl |
| 23:42.31 | Zurik | hi purl.. |
| 23:42.42 | foxlit | interface isn't physically reloaded if you change resolutions, right? |
| 23:42.57 | Shirik | I don't believe so |
| 23:43.00 | Shirik | just gxRestar |
| 23:43.08 | foxlit | Nasty :( |
| 23:43.09 | Xuerian | XML is fail >:O |
| 23:43.36 | foxlit | Doing SetDimensions(button, GetScreenWidth()*2, GetScreenHeight()*2); |
| 23:43.45 | foxlit | That'll eventually need updating if resolution changes |
| 23:44.10 | foxlit | and since there's really no way to detect that (much less update dimensions in combat), it's a bit evil |
| 23:44.13 | Guillotine | http://news.aol.com/story/_a/yearbook-arrives-with-altered-photos/20080519100909990001 <-- win. Some high school made a rule that everybody's yearbook photos had to have the heads the same size and the eyes at the same eye level. A yearbook employee dealt with it by cutting off arms, moving eyes below people's mouths, and making heads much larger than the body |
| 23:44.39 | Seerah|away | and stretching necks |
| 23:44.44 | Seerah|away | yeah, fail |
| 23:45.38 | Shot | Is it possible to inherit from a nested button in a template? |
| 23:46.09 | Shot | I want to create a note button, inheriting from FriendsFrameButtonTemplateButtonTextNote |
| 23:46.11 | foxlit | you can't inherit from concrete buttons |
| 23:46.18 | foxlit | virtual buttons may not be children |
| 23:46.32 | Shot | i see |
| 23:46.36 | Shot | fair enough |
| 23:46.53 | Shot | time to duplicate the properties of it manually then |
| 23:49.53 | Guillotine | wtf, iTunes just tried to install Safari on my computer -_- I only had the option to disable it b/c I clicked 'customize' |
| 23:49.59 | Legorol | You can inherit a dummy object though from the original template, and just use the nested button from it. Inelegant, but should work. |
| 23:50.36 | Xuerian | Guillotine: Yeah, been a big uproar over that |
| 23:50.54 | Guillotine | Yah, but I thought Apple had changed it |
| 23:51.16 | Xuerian | Haha, apple just weathers these things |
| 23:52.12 | Xuerian | Anyone here on windows use FARR/launchy? |
| 23:55.42 | Zurik | question: do dropdowns by default have some sort of padding on the left and right? |
| 23:56.09 | Zurik | my dropdown always seems to be indented by default.. |
