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| 00:41.29 | Kaso | What the hell, doctor who is missing off iPlayer tonight |
| 00:41.33 | Kaso | this is not good |
| 00:43.03 | MentalPower | bbl |
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| 03:28.26 | Shirik|Ghost | who is anthony ray stark? |
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| 03:30.50 | Xuerian | Iroooon maaaan |
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| 03:31.24 | Shirik | he died? |
| 03:31.33 | Xuerian | Apparently not iron man >_> |
| 03:32.11 | Cairenn | wait, what? |
| 03:33.22 | Shirik | I found a memorial in wow for someone who died in 2005 named "Anthony Ray Stark" |
| 03:34.02 | Cairenn | ah |
| 03:34.12 | |Jelly| | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jsessionid=2C6E24FC77117498B81B24BCE9E3431C?topicId=60777388&sid=1 |
| 03:36.21 | |Jelly| | So I just realized that was a .cz (No, I didn't click on it myself) so yeah ... |
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| 03:52.16 | Dezzimal | looks fine to me |Jelly| |
| 03:55.05 | Dezzimal | yeah its just a czech fansite |
| 03:56.05 | |Jelly| | Rock on. I still didn't click on it (no real need) but I also didn't want to like ... be the one jackass that posts a keylogger without saying it's potentially a keylogger. :P |
| 03:56.21 | |Jelly| | Then again, I didn't look at the dates either. |
| 03:56.24 | |Jelly| | I'll go back to my cave now. |
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| 04:34.49 | Seerah | If I have a table of strings, and I want them to be localized, can I localize each string and then do something like L[myTable[randomentry]]? |
| 04:35.26 | Seerah | (using Ace3, btw) |
| 04:49.57 | Yssaril | Seerah: i am assuming that myTable[randomentry] is a string that is found as a key in your localization table then it should be all good |
| 04:50.54 | Seerah | it would be PolyMsgs[random] but I would like messages to be localized, if possible |
| 04:52.48 | Seerah | so then if I did PolyMsgs = { L["message one"], L["message two"]} then it would work to do L[PolyMsgs[random]]? |
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| 04:55.49 | Yssaril | PolyMsgs = { L["message one"], L["message two"]} should already localize each message so you shoulnd need to L[PolyMsgs[random]] but you should simply polyMsgs[random] |
| 04:59.03 | Seerah | Thanks, Yssaril. :) I guess I was over thinking it >< |
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| 05:03.24 | Amanda18 | i need help connecting to starcraft via SSH tunneling vpn |
| 05:06.02 | DARKGuy | this isn't a starcraft channel :P |
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| 05:08.53 | Amanda18 | its the same thing! |
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| 05:24.06 | AlexanderYoshi | er |
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| 05:26.44 | ScytheBlade1 | I totally /wish/ it was the starcraft channel. But it isn't. :( |
| 05:27.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Amanda18: Starcraft UDP uses broadcast packets to find and publish games. SSH might be able to do it, but it'd be nothing short of a serious trick. |
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| 06:01.58 | Snago | Are there a list of supported image formats anywhere? |
| 06:03.14 | Cairenn | supported for what? |
| 06:03.57 | Snago | WoW |
| 06:04.04 | Snago | textures |
| 06:04.07 | Cairenn | in-game? on a website? |
| 06:04.09 | Cairenn | ah, thank you |
| 06:04.45 | Cairenn | .blp2, .tga and (I think) .png (although I hate png, the quality isn't as good, although likely doesn't matter for what you need) |
| 06:05.28 | Snago | Cairenn: thanks :) |
| 06:05.48 | Cairenn | you're welcome |
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| 06:08.01 | Tem | I'm pretty sure png images aren't supported |
| 06:08.06 | Tem | only blp and tga |
| 06:08.48 | Cairenn | I couldn't remember for certain, I see enough people yapping about .png that I couldn't recall any more |
| 06:10.23 | Cairenn | I know some games support .dds now |
| 06:10.38 | Cairenn | but haven't heard word one of that being supported in WoW yet |
| 06:14.18 | Kyahx | Cairenn: what is .dds? |
| 06:14.45 | Snago | Kyahx: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DirectDraw_Surface |
| 06:14.52 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 06:14.59 | Snago | Just looked it up myself :) |
| 06:15.09 | Kyahx | "file format, from Microsoft" -- I stopped there |
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| 06:18.55 | Snago | sweet, tga with compression makes my texture a whooping 300 bytes :) |
| 06:19.32 | Cairenn | did you remember alpha channel? that's your transparency in-game |
| 06:20.26 | Tem | tga transparency is a giant pile of "wtf" |
| 06:20.42 | Snago | I did not. But this is a solid full bar texture, so it's not needed. |
| 06:20.45 | Cairenn | and did you keep it a power of 2? 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256, 512 |
| 06:21.26 | Cairenn | Snago: so you aren't worrying about opacity at all? it'll be a full solid colour? |
| 06:21.34 | Snago | yepp, 256x32 |
| 06:21.41 | Cairenn | should be all set then |
| 06:22.13 | Cairenn | (sorry, basic stuff, I know, but lots of people forget about both of those) |
| 06:22.40 | Snago | I can still make it semi-transparent by SetAlpha on the texture-object, right? |
| 06:23.22 | Cairenn | aye, believe so |
| 06:23.23 | Snago | Cairenn: np, would've saved me finding out the hard way myself :P |
| 06:25.37 | Snago | I've got to log in and see if it works now :) |
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| 07:59.00 | Guest300 | what is the name of the cosmos mod that shows the loot to bosses |
| 07:59.16 | Guest300 | i seem to have lost it w/ the last patch |
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| 09:51.21 | batrick | who be awake in here |
| 09:53.05 | Tem | yo |
| 09:53.11 | Tem | holy shit |
| 09:53.11 | Snago | <-- |
| 09:53.12 | Tem | it's 5am |
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| 09:59.00 | Maldivia | it's noon in Europe, so :) |
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| 10:44.27 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/3_2_1_ilmeella.jpg |
| 10:50.12 | Nom | heh vmware server is so impressive |
| 10:50.49 | Nom | If you don't accidentally press control-alt on the computer behind me, you'd never know that the Windows it's running is actually a VMware Guest OS |
| 10:52.11 | Nom | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 10:52.36 | Nom | dev/md0 1.9T 42G 1.7T 3% /mnt/storage |
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| 11:11.58 | nornagon | nice |
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| 11:20.03 | cncfanatics | yo peeps |
| 11:22.48 | cncfanatics | bit quiet today ? :o |
| 11:23.09 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 11:23.11 | Fisker- | also your mother |
| 11:23.36 | cncfanatics | my mother > yours |
| 11:23.50 | Fisker- | yeah your mother is a lot bigger than mine |
| 11:24.08 | cncfanatics | heh, nice one |
| 11:35.04 | Fisker- | we should be playing wotlk |
| 11:35.41 | cncfanatics | I wish it was released :p |
| 11:35.45 | Fisker- | man |
| 11:35.49 | Fisker- | gold sellers are getting desperate |
| 11:36.10 | cncfanatics | ofc they are, gold gets easyer and easyer to get every day, except for them |
| 11:36.17 | foxlit | "free gnome with every purchase?]" |
| 11:36.29 | cncfanatics | well, gold is easy to get for humans now |
| 11:36.33 | cncfanatics | but not quite for bots |
| 11:36.36 | cncfanatics | (dailies ftw) |
| 11:36.38 | cncfanatics | so they're screwed :) |
| 11:36.44 | foxlit | what about bots running dailies? |
| 11:36.54 | foxlit | My patience is limited, theirs is not |
| 11:36.57 | cncfanatics | way harder to do then just a grinding bot |
| 11:37.16 | Fisker- | it's just a couple of weeks ago it was 1$ per 40 gold |
| 11:37.20 | cncfanatics | more effort = less proffit |
| 11:37.22 | Fisker- | now it's 1$ per 100 gold :P |
| 11:37.38 | cncfanatics | you can get 300 gold for 0.03 euro |
| 11:37.38 | foxlit | cncfanatics: if those were actually humans, yes |
| 11:37.41 | cncfanatics | from ssegames |
| 11:37.49 | cncfanatics | once per IP adress |
| 11:37.54 | cncfanatics | so, if you have a dynamic IP like me |
| 11:37.56 | cncfanatics | go get tons of free gold |
| 11:37.58 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 11:38.15 | foxlit | But if they're bots, it's a one-time investment for some rather hefty payouts |
| 11:38.22 | Fisker- | like i'd buy gold |
| 11:38.38 | nevcairiel | Fisker-: you're already on that page, arent you? |
| 11:38.40 | cncfanatics | nothing beats ripping off ssegames though |
| 11:38.45 | foxlit | I suspect what actually hurts them at the moment is that the gold sinks are gone :( |
| 11:39.06 | foxlit | There's only so many epic flight training lessons you need to buy. |
| 11:39.18 | Fisker- | only to check the other prices nevcairiel :P |
| 11:39.42 | nevcairiel | didnt blizzy say that they want to add some more cool gold sinks so people can get rid of their gold before wotlk? |
| 11:39.43 | foxlit | Fisker- is compiling data for cheap-wow-gold-search.com, ebay of the gold selling business :) |
| 11:39.52 | foxlit | Said yes, did, no. |
| 11:40.03 | nevcairiel | s/no/not yet/ |
| 11:40.12 | foxlit | which is the same thing |
| 11:40.20 | nevcairiel | but with a positive attitude! |
| 11:40.30 | Fisker- | they haven't had time to put it in yet |
| 11:40.52 | Fisker- | and nah |
| 11:41.05 | Fisker- | i'm just compiling data for retards who say that Blizzard is doing nothing against spam |
| 11:41.22 | Fisker- | and that SOE developers are more competent because it's not a problem in EQ2 |
| 11:41.26 | foxlit | Last I heard, there's MPQ regex patterns that should be taking care of it |
| 11:41.30 | Fisker- | which it obviously isn't because noone gives a shit about EQ2 |
| 11:41.32 | foxlit | I wonder why they aren't updating those live |
| 11:41.40 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 11:41.56 | foxlit | doesn't Sony actually sell gold/items? |
| 11:42.02 | nevcairiel | i think so, yes |
| 11:42.09 | cncfanatics | ~whalecrit Sonny |
| 11:42.10 | purl | ACTION crits Sonny with a mathematically skilled whale named Isaac for #NaN. Sonny dies |
| 11:42.23 | Fisker- | it's only items i think |
| 11:42.30 | cncfanatics | still, its sad |
| 11:42.41 | cncfanatics | I'd stop playing if Blizz ever started selling epics on live servers |
| 11:42.57 | nevcairiel | they already give epics out for free, why sell those? =P |
| 11:43.08 | nevcairiel | cncfanatics: and they would hide it in their puny card-game :D |
| 11:43.08 | cncfanatics | immagine, twin blades of azzinoth for 100 ISD :p |
| 11:43.23 | Fisker- | i don't think the welfare epics are that big of a deal |
| 11:43.24 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel: those aren't gear though, so I don't really care :p |
| 11:43.27 | cncfanatics | I mean actual gear |
| 11:43.31 | Fisker- | they just need to improve raid drops a bit |
| 11:43.44 | nevcairiel | they said they will with wotlk |
| 11:43.51 | nevcairiel | wonder how that ends up |
| 11:43.57 | Fisker- | also |
| 11:43.58 | foxlit | They're all out of time for BC |
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| 11:44.03 | cncfanatics | we'll see (hopefully soon) I guess |
| 11:44.06 | Fisker- | they seriously have to lay off the drugs when making set bonuses |
| 11:44.13 | cncfanatics | haha, true |
| 11:44.14 | foxlit | You buff raid epics now, and you'll have me critting unsuspecting warriors for OVER NINE THOUSAND! |
| 11:44.17 | cncfanatics | WTB old netherwind setbonus back |
| 11:44.31 | mrJones2k | hi everyone |
| 11:44.34 | cncfanatics | hello |
| 11:44.35 | purl | hola, cncfanatics |
| 11:44.47 | cncfanatics | ~shoot purl |
| 11:44.47 | purl | ACTION shoots purl in the ear with a cork gun! |
| 11:46.01 | mrJones2k | 1 simple question: is it possible load addons into a running wow, that were nt in die addons folder when wow war started? im tired of restarting wow all the time -.- |
| 11:46.12 | cncfanatics | nope |
| 11:46.23 | cncfanatics | its a protection blizz put in place |
| 11:46.54 | Fisker- | so that cncfanatics can't molest children |
| 11:47.08 | mrJones2k | mh, is it possible to aktivate an inaktiv addon via console input? and then /reloadui ? |
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| 11:47.24 | cncfanatics | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:47.24 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:47.33 | cncfanatics | oh, its EnableAddon,; sorry |
| 11:47.39 | mrJones2k | perfect |
| 11:47.53 | mrJones2k | at least that helps a bit^^ |
| 11:47.54 | mrJones2k | thx |
| 11:49.41 | mrJones2k | 1 more: do i have to /reloadui to actually get it running or does /run EnableAddOn("MehBar") do the whole job? |
| 11:50.21 | nevcairiel | you have to reloadui |
| 11:50.26 | cncfanatics | it does the whole job if the addon is LoadOnDemand (most aren't) |
| 11:50.32 | mrJones2k | alright, thanks alot |
| 11:50.48 | Snago | mrJones2k: If it's LoadOnDemand you can /run EnableAddOn("Foo"); LoadAddon("Foo") |
| 12:04.34 | mrJones2k | has anyone made some experiance w/ bartender 4? |
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| 14:14.25 | YammYgirlcoding | morning everyone |
| 14:15.12 | YammYgirlcoding | my new CT_MailMod is not working, does anyone have a fix? |
| 14:15.26 | YammYgirlcoding | the mail selection logics is inverted |
| 14:18.43 | [dRaCo] | uncheck "Invert mail selection logic"... sorry. |
| 14:18.51 | Cairenn | I don't imagine I need to ask the most obvious question, do I? |
| 14:20.24 | YammYgirlcoding | awn ? |
| 14:20.41 | YammYgirlcoding | sorry? what? |
| 14:20.41 | Cairenn | "do you have the most recent version: |
| 14:20.50 | YammYgirlcoding | of course i have |
| 14:21.01 | Cairenn | as I said, don't imagine I need to ask that one :p |
| 14:21.06 | Cairenn | Cide: ping? ^^ |
| 14:21.08 | YammYgirlcoding | =) |
| 14:21.21 | YammYgirlcoding | cide honey. dont leave us =) |
| 14:21.55 | Cide | pong? |
| 14:22.07 | Cide | I'm not a honey, nor have I left anyone |
| 14:22.11 | Cide | try pinging if you want to talk to me |
| 14:22.20 | YammYgirlcoding | hehe |
| 14:22.47 | Cairenn | YammYgirlcoding is having a problem with CT_MailMod, scroll up :) |
| 14:22.49 | YammYgirlcoding | I'm a girl. you are honey, sweetheart and so, fo me =) |
| 14:22.54 | YammYgirlcoding | unless u are a girl ;) |
| 14:23.39 | nevcairiel | cide and a girl? that would be so confusing |
| 14:23.44 | YammYgirlcoding | cide ct_mailmod is working oddly after patch, the 'select all' is deselecting everything |
| 14:23.49 | Cide | nevcairiel: what? |
| 14:23.53 | YammYgirlcoding | =^^= |
| 14:24.08 | nevcairiel | Cide: nothing :) |
| 14:24.20 | YammYgirlcoding | oh dont say it, nerds do date too =) |
| 14:24.53 | durcyn | yeah, but by now everyone has whois'd your netblock and realized they're nowhere near brazil |
| 14:25.09 | YammYgirlcoding | yes, im in brasil =) |
| 14:26.13 | YammYgirlcoding | more exactly, in rio de janeiro =^^= |
| 14:27.11 | YammYgirlcoding | well bak to ctmailmod =) |
| 14:28.21 | YammYgirlcoding | I know Cide is not very much in the mood for coding anymore, I'd say he could give up on all of them, but mailmod =) |
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| 14:30.57 | YammYgirlcoding | Cide file _mailstructure_incoming.lua line 99 (attempt to index local 'link' a nil value) |
| 14:35.00 | YammYgirlcoding | Cide local link = GetInboxItemLink(self.id, id); |
| 14:35.09 | Cide | I'm not looking into it now |
| 14:35.19 | YammYgirlcoding | i will. tell me what to do |
| 14:36.16 | Cide | that's equivalent to me looking into it |
| 14:36.22 | Cide | if I have to tell you what to do |
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| 14:39.56 | YammYgirlcoding | hmm I don't find this function anywhere in mailmod files, where can I search for this function in wow API ? |
| 14:40.35 | Cairenn | http://wowprogramming.com/ |
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| 14:45.29 | YammYgirlcoding | hmm how can I see if the function GetInboxItemLink has changed after patch? |
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| 14:47.07 | Kaso | Its not defined in lua, so basically you'd need to check out the frame xml code code, see if its used differently in the code |
| 14:48.35 | Kaso | or, just testing it see if it reacts did differently |
| 14:50.04 | YammYgirlcoding | searching aroung the api sites, the GetInboxItemLink function looks the same as in the code. So, hmm now what can I do? |
| 14:50.38 | YammYgirlcoding | where is the original mailbox code that blizz have? |
| 14:50.45 | YammYgirlcoding | there might have one, right? |
| 14:52.37 | Kaso | hmm? MailFrame.xml/lua in FrameXML is where the default mail interface is defined |
| 14:53.27 | YammYgirlcoding | these files in framexml folder are not changed since April |
| 14:53.36 | YammYgirlcoding | so I guess it's something in mailmod cod |
| 14:53.37 | YammYgirlcoding | code |
| 14:53.56 | kd3 | did you re-extract after the patch? |
| 14:53.59 | YammYgirlcoding | my guess is the function has changed |
| 14:54.12 | YammYgirlcoding | re-extract what? |
| 14:54.52 | YammYgirlcoding | yours framexml are newer than April there? |
| 14:54.56 | kd3 | the UI. you'll have to rerun the blizz addon kit tool to see the changes made to the UI if the game got patched after you last extracted it |
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| 14:55.30 | YammYgirlcoding | oh and how do I do so ? |
| 14:55.51 | kd3 | just rerun the "AddOn Kit.exe" program |
| 14:55.59 | kd3 | or check online at wdnaddons.com |
| 14:56.14 | Snago | They have moved |
| 14:56.19 | Snago | ~framexml |
| 14:56.20 | purl | Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ or view it online at http://wowcompares.com/ |
| 14:56.23 | YammYgirlcoding | I don't have this program |
| 14:56.34 | kd3 | then get it at the first link |
| 14:56.48 | Kaso | mailframe changed between 2.4.1 and 2.4.2 |
| 14:56.51 | Kaso | http://wowcompares.com/2428278?diff=2418124 |
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| 14:57.54 | nevcairiel | Kaso: only a minor text change, though |
| 14:58.05 | Kaso | true i notice now i clicked the link |
| 14:58.25 | nevcairiel | wowcompares could use some lua syntax highlighting in the diff views |
| 14:58.49 | Kaso | wdn also needs a wiki-style radio buttons you can use to select versions to compare between |
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| 14:59.06 | nevcairiel | yup |
| 15:00.37 | YammYgirlcoding | hmmm i see that mailframe changed just with few lines that has nothing to do with the getinbox function |
| 15:00.59 | YammYgirlcoding | hmm i'm clueless |
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| 15:02.13 | Shirik | ~nickometer DoLbY |
| 15:02.19 | Shirik | only 8%? |
| 15:02.21 | Cide | ~nickometer DdDdDdDdDdDolby |
| 15:02.28 | Cairenn | lol |
| 15:02.32 | DoLbY | lol |
| 15:03.00 | YammYgirlcoding | back to the error: local link = GetInboxItemLink(self.id, id) // link has a nil value |
| 15:03.26 | Fisker- | man |
| 15:03.28 | Cide | regarding apache 2... can I match a location such as /foo, but pass it to the handler as /? that is, consume the matched location before passing it on to the software? |
| 15:03.31 | Fisker- | i wanted the white snow |
| 15:05.54 | Vilkku | ~nickometer Vilkku |
| 15:06.06 | Shirik | yes Cide |
| 15:06.15 | Shirik | you mean with mod_rewrite? |
| 15:06.27 | Cide | I was thinking that was the solution, but I'm not well versed with apache |
| 15:06.47 | Fisker- | ~nickmeter Vilkku |
| 15:06.48 | purl | Vilkku is 100% lame with a cherry on top! |
| 15:06.53 | Cide | owned |
| 15:06.58 | Vilkku | :< |
| 15:07.49 | Cide | Shirik: ah, RewriteEngine On ... RewriteBase /? |
| 15:09.18 | Shirik | uh |
| 15:09.30 | Cide | didn't work |
| 15:09.46 | Shirik | yeah |
| 15:10.21 | Shirik | give me an example URL and what you want it to become |
| 15:10.52 | Cide | http://www.foo.com/bar/ -- should be processed as http://www.foo.com/ |
| 15:11.41 | Shirik | just get rid of the bar/? |
| 15:11.45 | Cide | yes |
| 15:11.58 | Cide | oh, maybe this should go in a .htaccess file |
| 15:12.46 | Cide | grr |
| 15:12.57 | Cide | that doesn't really work since it's not a physical path |
| 15:13.04 | Cide | so I can't really have a .htaccess file |
| 15:13.32 | Shirik | RewriteRule ^([a-zA-Z0-9]*)/?$ / [L] |
| 15:13.33 | Shirik | try that |
| 15:13.58 | Cide | it's /bar/ specifically |
| 15:14.04 | Shirik | oh |
| 15:14.13 | Shirik | then just replace that mess with bar/ :) |
| 15:14.21 | Cide | well, where can I put that? |
| 15:14.22 | Shirik | or bar/? maybe |
| 15:14.24 | Cide | in the Location directive? |
| 15:14.31 | Cide | or VirtualHost? |
| 15:14.42 | nevcairiel | inside virtualhost should work |
| 15:16.29 | Cide | so "RewriteRule ^bar/ / [L]"? |
| 15:16.42 | Cide | since /bar/baz should be rewritten to /baz |
| 15:17.17 | Shirik | oooh |
| 15:17.19 | Shirik | now I understand |
| 15:17.22 | Shirik | whatabout |
| 15:17.56 | Shirik | RewriteRule ^bar/(.+?)/?$ /$1 [L] |
| 15:18.11 | Shirik | er |
| 15:18.14 | Shirik | make that .*? |
| 15:18.17 | Cide | yeah :P |
| 15:18.26 | Shirik | and, hm |
| 15:18.37 | nevcairiel | i would skip the last / too |
| 15:18.45 | Shirik | ^bar/?+(.*?)/?$ /$1 [L] |
| 15:19.03 | Cide | it's still passed to the processing software as /bar/baz |
| 15:19.23 | frop | Apoco: /cheer |
| 15:19.25 | Shirik | there may be an extra flag you need; I don't understand them that well |
| 15:19.29 | frop | fast Capping module! |
| 15:19.31 | Apoco | ? |
| 15:19.35 | Apoco | :) |
| 15:19.44 | Shirik | you did do RewriteEngine on right? |
| 15:19.53 | frop | it works like a charm |
| 15:19.56 | Apoco | kk |
| 15:20.06 | Apoco | I didnt test it in bg's just with the test bar functions in capping |
| 15:20.27 | frop | aye, "almost" the same...got evil DCs now :( |
| 15:20.30 | frop | my ISP sucks |
| 15:20.31 | Cide | Shirik: yes |
| 15:21.18 | frop | Apoco btw, PVP_Watch and Abilities...are the same module? |
| 15:21.25 | Apoco | kinda |
| 15:21.30 | Apoco | PvPWatch will be nuked soon. |
| 15:21.30 | frop | old_one and new_one? |
| 15:21.33 | Shirik | maybe [N,PT] |
| 15:21.35 | frop | aye :) |
| 15:21.40 | Apoco | AbilitiesWatch will be able to track friendly and hostile cooldowns |
| 15:21.42 | Apoco | not one/other |
| 15:22.05 | Apoco | When I started writing raidwatch for the friendly cooldown tracking, I realized it was 90% of the same code and it was pointless to run two plugins with 90% of the same base code |
| 15:22.08 | frop | not arenaing too much for now :) |
| 15:22.36 | _rane | PartyAbilityBars track friendly cooldowns |
| 15:22.37 | frop | will try it in tonight raid...althought as DPSer not so usefull |
| 15:22.47 | Apoco | But it is working as far as I can tell. |
| 15:23.04 | Apoco | I am not sure if Innervate is working or if the druids I were with just failed and never used it. |
| 15:23.14 | Apoco | I wrote it inbetween Muru attempts |
| 15:23.24 | frop | lol |
| 15:23.29 | frop | which server? |
| 15:23.33 | Apoco | Andorlawl |
| 15:23.40 | frop | hunter? |
| 15:23.48 | frop | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:23.51 | Apoco | ya |
| 15:24.18 | frop | in AV now...seems working as intended |
| 15:24.21 | Apoco | kk ty |
| 15:25.20 | Shirik | how much SR is needed for illidari council? |
| 15:25.28 | frop | 0? |
| 15:25.31 | Shirik | is that true? |
| 15:25.43 | frop | SR is needed for Mother only, rly |
| 15:25.49 | Shirik | good good |
| 15:25.54 | Shirik | and I can survive mother so I guess I'm ok |
| 15:25.54 | Apoco | 0? |
| 15:26.00 | frop | can be used in MH too, but not necessary |
| 15:26.06 | Apoco | I didnt know anything in council did shadow dmg |
| 15:26.09 | Apoco | its all holy/frost |
| 15:26.11 | Apoco | afaik |
| 15:26.12 | Shirik | I don't know the fight at all |
| 15:26.14 | Shirik | that's why I'm asking :P |
| 15:26.20 | foxlit | fire, nature/physical |
| 15:26.42 | foxlit | It's one grand round of "zomg, don't stand in that!" |
| 15:26.56 | Apoco | theres holy in council too |
| 15:27.03 | kd3 | I </3 those fights |
| 15:27.03 | Apoco | Holy Fire or whatever that shits called and consecration |
| 15:27.15 | Apoco | imo illidan should be ragnaros 5.0 |
| 15:27.17 | kd3 | wtb another c'thun-like encounter |
| 15:27.50 | foxlit | you said holy previously, so I don't see the need to mention it again :) |
| 15:27.55 | YammYgirlcoding | guys |
| 15:28.10 | YammYgirlcoding | when the error is on line 2, that's because the issue is on line 1 or 2 ? |
| 15:28.26 | Apoco | 2? |
| 15:28.27 | Cide | line 2 caused the error... |
| 15:28.40 | Apoco | if line 420 causes an error, the error is really on line 540 |
| 15:28.42 | Apoco | lol |
| 15:28.44 | Cide | but of course, it may be because line 1 did something it wasn't supposed to do |
| 15:29.00 | Apoco | true |
| 15:29.02 | YammYgirlcoding | hmmm now I don't know which caused the issue |
| 15:29.14 | YammYgirlcoding | local link = GetInboxItemLink(self.id, id); or |
| 15:29.20 | YammYgirlcoding | return link:match("|H(item:[^|]+)|h"), (select(3, GetInboxItem(self.id, id))); |
| 15:29.30 | Cide | >>> number = 1; number = nil; sum = 5 + number |
| 15:29.35 | YammYgirlcoding | it says link is nil |
| 15:29.35 | Cide | as you can see |
| 15:29.45 | Cide | sum = 5 + number caused the error |
| 15:29.52 | Cide | but that's because "number = nil" did something bad |
| 15:30.04 | Apoco | WTB localized RBM |
| 15:30.05 | Apoco | pst |
| 15:30.05 | Apoco | :( |
| 15:30.15 | Shirik | Cide, you remember that's a notice now instead of a message in channel |
| 15:30.20 | Shirik | she couldn't see that :) |
| 15:30.25 | Cide | /shrug |
| 15:30.34 | Cide | YammYgirlcoding: because GetInboxItemLink(self.id, id) returned nil |
| 15:30.46 | YammYgirlcoding | the error is on the second line |
| 15:30.57 | YammYgirlcoding | that one is 98, and error says it's on 99 |
| 15:30.58 | Cide | because nil:match is invalid |
| 15:31.05 | Cide | b |
| 15:31.10 | Cide | but local link = nil; is valid |
| 15:31.14 | Cide | but not what the code expects |
| 15:31.21 | YammYgirlcoding | < confused |
| 15:31.29 | Cide | then don't bother trying to fix it |
| 15:31.50 | YammYgirlcoding | but i want it fixed =( i have too many mails to open |
| 15:32.16 | YammYgirlcoding | so. the link = getinbox is correct ? |
| 15:32.22 | YammYgirlcoding | but the link:match is not? |
| 15:32.58 | durcyn | the function whose return is being assigned to link is returning nil |
| 15:33.06 | Cide | no... |
| 15:33.24 | Cide | I don't have time to fix it right now |
| 15:33.41 | YammYgirlcoding | tell how to =( |
| 15:34.25 | YammYgirlcoding | durcyn the match is returning null, or link was null in first place? |
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| 15:34.50 | durcyn | the return of GetInboxItemLink would seem to be nil on the particular id it's being fed |
| 15:35.20 | YammYgirlcoding | ok. I want to see what's in the link var. how can i see that ingame? |
| 15:35.33 | Cide | telling you how to fix it requires more energy than fixing it myself |
| 15:35.54 | durcyn | add a DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(tostring(id)) before the block, then DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(tostring(link)) after the first line |
| 15:36.00 | durcyn | then have fun |
| 15:37.34 | Shirik | or a DevTools_Dump( |
| 15:37.38 | Shirik | because you have devtools installed |
| 15:37.56 | YammYgirlcoding | devtools? who me? i guess i havent |
| 15:38.11 | Shirik | ~devtools |
| 15:38.12 | purl | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? |
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| 15:39.30 | YammYgirlcoding | OH THANKS |
| 15:40.35 | YammYgirlcoding | ok. I printed the link and as it's not printing anything, I guess it's really a nil value. |
| 15:40.58 | YammYgirlcoding | the two function params do have value, indeed |
| 15:41.08 | YammYgirlcoding | both are '1' |
| 15:41.39 | YammYgirlcoding | so. why would it return nil? GetInboxItemLink( 1, 1 ); |
| 15:42.09 | Cide | probably because the first item of the first mail isn't there |
| 15:43.50 | YammYgirlcoding | oh that's odd. I selected the second mail, and it was picked from mailbox with no errors |
| 15:44.48 | Shirik | there doesn't seem to be anything special I need to know about illidari council. Is that correct? |
| 15:44.49 | YammYgirlcoding | now I selected all but the first and it's working |
| 15:45.08 | YammYgirlcoding | so it's just something bad with the first mail id |
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| 15:48.33 | YammYgirlcoding | Cide, okey, I can live without the first mail item, but are you going to take a look at this sometime? =) |
| 15:49.41 | Cide | I already told you yes |
| 15:51.32 | YammYgirlcoding | Cide okey then. thank you all for attention. back to wow =) /kiss |
| 16:05.13 | Kalroth | What movie did you end up watching, Cide? |
| 16:05.48 | Cide | none actually :) |
| 16:05.58 | Cide | we're saving it for next week, but probably Little Miss Sunshine |
| 16:06.57 | Kalroth | wtf |
| 16:08.01 | Kalroth | that sounds lame :( |
| 16:10.33 | Kalroth | You need to watch something manly |
| 16:10.39 | Cide | why? |
| 16:10.59 | Shirik | hey, I like movies like howl's moving castle |
| 16:11.38 | kd3 | last movie I remember watching was 'toki wo kakeru shoujo' |
| 16:12.19 | Fisker- | fail |
| 16:12.53 | Shirik | ~kill Fisker- |
| 16:12.54 | purl | ACTION shoots a charged pseudograviton gun at Fisker- |
| 16:13.01 | Fisker- | hey Shirik |
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| 16:13.15 | Cide | ~failrik |
| 16:13.15 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 16:13.17 | Cide | sorry, I had to |
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| 16:13.25 | Fisker- | awesome |
| 16:14.16 | Fisker- | ~failrik |
| 16:14.17 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 16:14.22 | Fisker- | ~failrik Cide |
| 16:14.25 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 16:14.26 | Cide | it's addicting, isn't it? |
| 16:14.29 | Fisker- | yes |
| 16:14.31 | Cide | ~factinfo failrik |
| 16:14.31 | purl | failrik -- created by Cide <n=Cide@hus110a.bobbnet.com> at Mon Mar 17 17:36:58 2008 (61 days); it has been requested 40 times, last by Fisker-, 14s ago. |
| 16:15.59 | Fisker- | i want the white snow |
| 16:19.11 | kd3 | you get stuck with the yellow snow? |
| 16:19.26 | Kalroth | mmm, beer snow |
| 16:20.02 | Xuerian | foxlit: We wants it :( |
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| 16:23.55 | foxlit | Xuerian: they're taking the hobbits to Isengard :( |
| 16:24.26 | Xuerian | foxlit: To the wonderful wizard of ozz we go... |
| 16:26.15 | Fisker- | kd3 no snow at all :( |
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| 16:27.13 | Cide | no snow is in all ways superior to any snow |
| 16:27.28 | Fisker- | i disagree |
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| 16:36.51 | durcyn | urk, why the hell is auctioneer spamming SendAddonMessage |
| 16:37.57 | Shirik | could be due to the askprice module |
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| 16:56.52 | Fisker- | Anyone know if i can send a message with a response.redirect in asp.net_ |
| 16:56.53 | Fisker- | ? |
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| 17:53.50 | Mike-N-Go | So.. I wake up, only to find my keyboard and my power adapter missing from my laptop.. my sister stole it =| |
| 17:54.02 | Sixen | Pwnt. |
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| 18:32.56 | Mike-N-Go | Didn't sap not used to flag a rogue for PvP when used on a PvP target? |
| 18:33.28 | Iriel | Correct |
| 18:33.33 | Iriel | HORRIBLY broken |
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| 18:35.12 | Mike-N-Go | Makes me sad now that I am leveling my rogue =[ |
| 18:35.26 | Shirik | ... |
| 18:35.30 | Shirik | ~kill Mike-N-Go |
| 18:35.31 | purl | ACTION shoots a charged anti-meson gun at Mike-N-Go |
| 18:36.23 | Mike-N-Go | ~lart Shirik |
| 18:36.23 | purl | accelerates a free AOL cd to 50,000 rpm and lets Shirik feel it |
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| 18:36.31 | Shirik | uh |
| 18:36.37 | Shirik | that took a while |
| 18:42.59 | Lukian | he broke several CD's in the process |
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| 19:45.38 | Fisker- | i wanted the white snow |
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| 20:29.51 | Cide | do any of these sound like a decent name for a race of reptilian humanoids? |
| 20:29.51 | Cide | odlar, scinor, oedlor, eideor, eidsche, venjak, dvenjak, serper, suren, suuren, podlar, podlac, kraldur, gekkota, leios, leiosa, priscar, agamid, agimar, tegus, tegur, teiidar, varanidar, varanar |
| 20:29.52 | Cide | ^ vote! |
| 20:30.16 | Fisker- | tegur |
| 20:30.40 | Cide | any others? it's multiple choice |
| 20:31.03 | Fisker- | varanar or scinor perhaps |
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| 20:31.07 | Fisker- | but my favorite is tegur |
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| 20:32.19 | Fisker- | ~failrik |
| 20:32.20 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 20:33.10 | Cide | anyone else? |
| 20:33.20 | Snago | I vote kraldur |
| 20:33.54 | Snago | only because it's so close to the swedish "kräldjur" for reptiles ;) |
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| 20:34.42 | Snago | What is it for, anyway? |
| 20:34.45 | Cide | if you go by what sounds best then? |
| 20:34.47 | cogwheel | varanidar |
| 20:34.49 | Cide | unrelated |
| 20:35.03 | cogwheel | agamid |
| 20:35.38 | Fisker- | always a cock in the wheel cogwheel |
| 20:38.28 | Cide | anyone else? |
| 20:38.32 | Cide | Snago: secritz |
| 20:41.01 | Fisker- | if it's for some intellectual property you'll earn money on i demand 90% of the cut |
| 20:41.10 | Fisker- | seems fair to me |
| 20:41.41 | Cide | works for me |
| 20:41.47 | Cide | if you come up with the name we decide on |
| 20:41.56 | Cide | I shall grant you eternal fame |
| 20:42.14 | nevcairiel | varanar or tegur |
| 20:42.24 | kd3 | anyone running the betting pool for how long it'll take until a certain news site gets DMCA'd/C&D'd? |
| 20:42.40 | Fisker- | i want to know what certain news site :i |
| 20:47.08 | foxlit | Vote A for MMO; B for WoWI; C for WoR; and D for google.com |
| 20:48.02 | wereHamster | Cide: suren, agamid, eideor |
| 20:48.12 | bleeter | e: all of the above |
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| 21:30.39 | foxlit | So is the WoW dev community dead on sunday evenings? |
| 21:30.56 | nevcairiel | mostly |
| 21:30.59 | Cairenn | seems so, doesn't it? :) |
| 21:31.16 | Fisker- | everyone's looking for wotlk :( |
| 21:31.22 | bleeter | Cairenn: pidgin 2.4.2 is out, some nice IRC changes I see in the changelog |
| 21:31.23 | *** topic/#WoWUIDev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 2.4.x ToC: 20400 | #WoWUIDev-commits : A place to watch active development of World of Warcraft addons. Multiple Sites' CIA & JIRA bots reporting | WoW programming book http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob |
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| 21:31.53 | foxlit | There's one feature of my IRC client I sorely miss |
| 21:32.01 | foxlit | It doesn't let you see what exactly has changed in the topic |
| 21:32.15 | nevcairiel | i dont think any client i know tells you that |
| 21:32.15 | Cairenn | Just took out the stuff about the channel change |
| 21:32.23 | nevcairiel | should run a diff on topics! |
| 21:32.28 | foxlit | nev: I think mIRC keeps a history |
| 21:32.33 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 21:32.34 | Cairenn | pidgin can tell you too |
| 21:32.36 | nevcairiel | its still not automated |
| 21:32.37 | Cairenn | :p |
| 21:32.42 | Shirik | yeah, it's also impossible to read |
| 21:32.45 | foxlit | So you can sort of tell you if yo ulook it up |
| 21:32.45 | Shirik | let me show you my history |
| 21:32.58 | Fisker- | "well I don't have a soul so it crashed" - Shirik |
| 21:32.59 | Fisker- | :O |
| 21:33.10 | foxlit | Adium on this platform, and they don't have a reasonable IRC UI |
| 21:33.25 | nevcairiel | i have topics dating back to april 4th from this chan |
| 21:33.35 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/0ccc7f594ad7023f2757462c0f207686.jpg |
| 21:33.39 | nevcairiel | its still un-readable P |
| 21:33.41 | Shirik | incredibly useful |
| 21:33.43 | Fisker- | nevcairiel did any of them get together? |
| 21:33.56 | bleeter | foxlit: probably gets back to the 'story' that both Pidgin and Adium developers believe libpurple is crap for IRC and peeps should be using irssi anyways ;) |
| 21:34.13 | nevcairiel | Shirik: it shows the topic in a box under that drop-down in full length for me, its still kinda sucky |
| 21:34.19 | foxlit | bleeter: I thought the story was that libpurple supports IRC properly and they're crap at designing multi-user UIs |
| 21:34.21 | nevcairiel | Shirik: if you select it, that is |
| 21:34.51 | Shirik | for me, that would also set it |
| 21:35.03 | nevcairiel | probably because i am not op'ed :D |
| 21:35.05 | foxlit | anyway, Colloquy is decent for most purposes |
| 21:35.28 | bleeter | foxlit: what libpurple implements on IRC protocol, should work 100%... it doesn't do 'everything' that fully fledged IRC clients do, because there are better IRC clients out there. Oh, and the IRC protocol plugin guy is a lazy ass |
| 21:35.39 | nevcairiel | Shirik: actually, tried it in another chan, doesnt set it for me :) |
| 21:35.45 | Fisker- | ~failrik |
| 21:35.45 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 21:35.58 | Shirik | mirc? |
| 21:36.06 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 21:36.09 | Shirik | hm |
| 21:36.19 | Shirik | oh I have to hit ok |
| 21:36.26 | Shirik | oh cool and when I select it, it shows a little popup at the top |
| 21:36.26 | bleeter | foxlit: yeah, i've heard that about colloquy |
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| 21:44.48 | Shirik | cladhaire: ping |
| 21:45.01 | Shirik | ~ping |
| 21:45.02 | purl | pong |
| 21:45.07 | cladhaire | Shirik: pong? |
| 21:45.17 | Shirik | nm, it might be my fault |
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| 21:45.47 | Fisker- | ~failrik |
| 21:45.48 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 21:45.50 | Shirik | yeah, I thought gammatester was down but firefox just went crazy |
| 21:45.51 | Shirik | sory :) |
| 21:46.06 | Fisker- | i am amused |
| 21:46.54 | cladhaire | okay |
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| 21:53.39 | Mike-N-Go_ | I have a question: Does anyone know how the auto-logout process works? In regards to how it knows you are AFK for 30 minutes. |
| 21:54.13 | Shirik | it appears to be client-side if that's what you're asking |
| 21:54.18 | Shirik | well, no I shouldn't say that |
| 21:54.42 | Shirik | I think Xinhuan is the one to ask if I remember correctly. |
| 21:54.52 | Xinhuan | what? |
| 21:54.58 | Shirik | not too long ago someone wrote an addon to keep you logged in |
| 21:55.02 | Mike-N-Go_ | Xinhuan: I have a question: Does anyone know how the auto-logout process works? In regards to how it knows you are AFK for 30 minutes. |
| 21:55.09 | Shirik | I thought it was Xinhuan |
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| 21:55.34 | Xinhuan | if you wow.exe hasn't received a hardware event for 30 min, it starts the auto-logout process |
| 21:55.46 | Matrix110 | damn just wanted to type that |
| 21:56.01 | Xinhuan | what happens is that wow will popup a dialog box saying "you will be logged out automatically in 20 seconds, click cancel to stop" |
| 21:56.11 | Matrix110 | the problem is |
| 21:56.12 | Xinhuan | if you don't do anything, you get logged out |
| 21:56.17 | Xinhuan | if you click cancel, it stops |
| 21:56.20 | Matrix110 | an addon could click that:P |
| 21:56.23 | Matrix110 | not sure if that still works |
| 21:56.38 | Mike-N-Go_ | Matrix110: Is that a hardware event =P? |
| 21:56.45 | Matrix110 | no |
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| 21:56.53 | Xinhuan | if you use an addon to click that button to cancel logout, wow.exe still knows you did not have a hardware event within last 30 min, so it repops that dialog box again |
| 21:56.59 | Matrix110 | hardware event = keypress from your mouse/keyboard |
| 21:56.59 | Xinhuan | so your addon ends up clicking it about 4 times per second |
| 21:57.05 | Xinhuan | and your chat gets spammed |
| 21:57.14 | Xinhuan | unless the addon hides the spam |
| 21:57.26 | Matrix110 | Xinhuan there was a few month ago a Addons that managed to let you ingame for several hours |
| 21:57.32 | Matrix110 | but as I said iam not sure if it still works |
| 21:57.37 | Stanzilla | ForeverAFK? |
| 21:57.40 | Matrix110 | yeah |
| 21:57.50 | Xinhuan | someone wrote the 10 line addon using ace2 |
| 21:57.57 | Xinhuan | i told him "what the fuck" why use ace2 |
| 21:58.01 | Shirik | lol |
| 21:58.03 | Shirik | I remember this |
| 21:58.03 | Xinhuan | and rewrote the thing in 15 lines without ace2 |
| 21:58.23 | Tem | I'm pertty sure they broke that in 2.4.2 |
| 21:58.27 | Shirik | they did |
| 21:58.34 | Shirik | or earlier |
| 21:58.36 | Mike-N-Go_ | What broke? |
| 21:58.37 | Shirik | I know they broke it though |
| 21:58.39 | Xinhuan | anyway, CancelLogout() must now be called by a hardware event i think |
| 21:58.41 | bleeter | meh, btmscan on an AH, afk for as long as you like it won't log you out |
| 21:58.45 | zenzelezz | heh, explorer.exe just crashed and offered me to debug it with VC++ |
| 21:58.45 | Xinhuan | so addons can't do it anymore |
| 21:58.48 | bleeter | iirc |
| 21:59.01 | Xinhuan | also, ForeverAFK only works outside of cities and inns |
| 21:59.13 | Xinhuan | because if you are inside an inn, autologout by wow |
| 21:59.13 | Shirik | aye, it looks for the 20 second timer I think? |
| 21:59.16 | Xinhuan | logs you out right away |
| 21:59.19 | Xinhuan | rather than 20 sec timer |
| 21:59.31 | Matrix110 | ForeverAFK wouldve been THE GOD addon on my old realm at release with 1,5k queues :D |
| 21:59.34 | zenzelezz | Zoot said something about fixing the ability for ForeverAFK and toher addons to stop this |
| 22:00.10 | Xinhuan | he said it'll get fixed but i'm not about to go check if it is |
| 22:00.59 | Mike-N-Go_ | Matrix110: That would only make the queue longer for everyone.. |
| 22:01.13 | Matrix110 | well if everyone knows about it yes |
| 22:01.57 | Xinhuan | the purpose of the addon is actually to skip queues |
| 22:02.00 | Xinhuan | in the first place |
| 22:02.01 | Xinhuan | ;p |
| 22:02.07 | zenzelezz | Well they would know - I'd tell them. Just like I'd tell them you were responsible for the lives of four hudnred and... |
| 22:02.31 | zenzelezz | I wish I could remember the line word by word |
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| 22:05.51 | Mike-N-Go_ | The problem is, that said addon is an addon, and anything that can be done by an addon is allowable.. so if BLizz does not want an addon to do something, they break it. |
| 22:06.10 | zenzelezz | just as I said |
| 22:06.35 | Matrix110 | even if it takes a while :D |
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| 22:09.39 | zenzelezz | takes time to be accepted by your peers |
| 22:10.52 | zenzelezz | you only disconnected right before you came back though |
| 22:11.09 | kd3 | yah, which is what confuses me |
| 22:11.20 | kd3 | and the last message I saw in here was [18:06:35] <Matrix110> even if it takes a while :D |
| 22:11.42 | Matrix110 | (00:06:12) (Matrix110) even if it takes a while :D |
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| 22:11.51 | Matrix110 | (00:08:41) kd3 ponders at the ~20-minute-delay on the peering after the router reset itself... |
| 22:11.55 | Matrix110 | looked like this for me:P |
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| 22:20.33 | Furl | You guys are smart right? |
| 22:20.43 | bleeter | nah |
| 22:20.48 | Furl | Can you help me with something I'm toying with? |
| 22:20.53 | Furl | http://aoc-dev.pastey.net/88022 , http://aoc-dev.pastey.net/88023 |
| 22:20.56 | bleeter | ~asktoask |
| 22:20.57 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 22:21.31 | Furl | [I asked two questins that weren't related, bastard.] |
| 22:21.34 | Furl | ~nuke bleeter |
| 22:21.35 | purl | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at bleeter ... Bâ¢â¢M! |
| 22:21.57 | Furl | Okay... problem is, |
| 22:22.35 | Furl | 6c5f52efd4da9bf1ea1df8979f992e59359a895cbd58ae4832ebf3e6f2ec8 with operand "n" returns on the javascript side: c5f52efa1df89759a895c2ebf3e6, but on the php side: c4d00af18a1928183518884032e88 |
| 22:23.28 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Zyuu] by ChanServ |
| 22:23.47 | Furl | suggestions? |
| 22:23.57 | Furl | [I'm toying with a concept, mind you] |
| 22:27.20 | Corrodias | i'm afraid i don't understand it. i'm too dense! |
| 22:29.03 | Furl | Ooh, |
| 22:29.09 | Furl | a useful debug info. |
| 22:29.26 | Furl | 79dfbf797677cfdf779e7fbf7fcf5e26 versus 9dfbf79677cfdf79e7fbffcf5e26 |
| 22:29.29 | Furl | in xo |
| 22:29.31 | Furl | xor* |
| 22:30.00 | Mike-N-Go_ | Where has Blizzard said that all addons are allowable, and you cannnot be banned for using any true addon? |
| 22:30.10 | Furl | ua> 64-57 |
| 22:30.12 | Furl | lua> 64-57 |
| 22:30.12 | Mike-N-Go_ | I need something to cite. |
| 22:30.13 | lua_bot | Furl: 7 |
| 22:30.35 | Furl | lua> 16-9 |
| 22:30.35 | lua_bot | Furl: 7 |
| 22:31.40 | Corrodias | it was probably a forum post, if they've ever actually said that |
| 22:31.51 | Corrodias | the TOU contradicts that, of course |
| 22:32.07 | Mike-N-Go_ | Oh? I thought I heard that. |
| 22:32.31 | Corrodias | well, it's true, but i just don't know where (and if) it has been stated |
| 22:35.02 | bleeter | Mike-N-Go_: don't quote me, but I think the reasoning goes like this. Blizz expose an API, AddOns are all fre to use it. The API is meant to be locked down, and unable to do certain stuff. Occasionally Blizz screw up, and don't lock it down enough, or someone finds create ways around the intent of the API. ... As Blizz released the API, one cannot really get blamed for implementing code using it... BUT |
| 22:35.45 | Corrodias | you can use history: they didn't like people using Decursive and such, but they allowed it until they could change the game to prevent it |
| 22:35.47 | bleeter | Mike-N-Go_: ... I'd hazard a guess the intent in USING said broken API, is what gets people into trouble, not the actual code using said broken API. Implementation and usage intent can be two very different things |
| 22:36.32 | bleeter | yeah, and what Corrodias said too |
| 22:36.43 | Mike-N-Go_ | As far as I have found, http://www.wowwiki.com/UI_FAQ/AddOns#Legal.3F is what I have.. yet they did not cite the reference of where the GMs said this.. |
| 22:37.26 | Corrodias | "However I would like to refer you to this thread in our Interface Customization forum, which touches the subject of illegal addons: |
| 22:37.26 | Corrodias | http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-en&t=31425&p=1&tmp=1#post31425" |
| 22:37.31 | Corrodias | unfortunately, the thread does not exist :P |
| 22:37.42 | bleeter | I'd suspect you'd be hard pressed to find a cite that's not a broad unofficial generalisation. I doubt they want to 'lock' themselves into any particular point of view, so they can be fluid in what they do |
| 22:39.48 | Iriel | The abilities of the API, however, never trump the TOS/EULA |
| 22:40.12 | Iriel | and those have some fairly general statements about doing stuff that blizzard doesn't want you to do |
| 22:40.16 | bleeter | yes, that's what my early morning brain was trying to say when I mentioned intent |
| 22:40.20 | Shirik | i.e., using the API to gold spam = bad :P |
| 22:40.24 | Shirik | despite the fact that it's possible |
| 22:40.29 | bleeter | thx for clarifying Iriel, appreciate it hehe |
| 22:40.30 | Iriel | using API to circumvent AFK logout == bad |
| 22:40.43 | Iriel | using API to communicate cross-faction == bad |
| 22:40.44 | Iriel | etc |
| 22:40.45 | Shirik | wasn't that fixed though? |
| 22:40.48 | Shirik | the AFK logout thing |
| 22:40.54 | Iriel | the one they just found was |
| 22:41.00 | Mike-N-Go_ | I ponder why they do not just remove the ability for addons all together :p |
| 22:41.03 | Iriel | but the point is, it was bad BEFORE they fixed it. |
| 22:41.09 | Shirik | oh come now Mike-N-Go_ |
| 22:41.16 | Corrodias | because, for a lot of people, half of the fun of WoW is addons. i know it was for me. |
| 22:41.24 | Mike-N-Go_ | The lesser of two evils.. |
| 22:41.31 | Iriel | The common sense goes like this: |
| 22:41.53 | Iriel | You'll never be banned for using an addon, but using an addon to violate the rules might get you banned. You're banned because you broke the rules, not because you used an addon. |
| 22:41.58 | Shirik | Mike-N-Go_, if addons were removed with the justification that it would, say, take away gold spam, the gold spammers would just start using 3rd party applications. |
| 22:42.09 | Shirik | (that's not to say they don't already) |
| 22:42.27 | bleeter | Shirik: I'd be highly surprised if the 'advanced' ones don't |
| 22:42.45 | Shirik | aye, but my point is that making something harder won't stop it :) |
| 22:42.53 | Corrodias | oh indeed. you know the famous "corpse graffiti in ironforge" incident? |
| 22:42.59 | Corrodias | teleporting would require one |
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| 22:46.31 | Matrix110 | I dont think they actually use AddOns 3rd Party Apps automate the whole process anyway already |
| 22:47.14 | bleeter | the one I admire atm is the 'send 1c to random people on the realm' trick |
| 22:47.24 | Shirik | the what? |
| 22:47.24 | Mike-N-Go_ | Yah |
| 22:47.28 | Mike-N-Go_ | bleeter: I got one of those. |
| 22:47.36 | bleeter | if the mail's NOT returned in 30 days, you know that the toon is active |
| 22:47.52 | Corrodias | i should halt payments on my account. i haven't logged in in a month or so. |
| 22:47.52 | Matrix110 | use of that? |
| 22:47.56 | bleeter | like those call centres randomly dialling numbers to see what time people are home for telemarketing |
| 22:47.58 | Shirik | eh, gotta run |
| 22:48.22 | bleeter | Matrix110: use is you know there's a name there you can spam |
| 22:48.25 | Matrix110 | bleeter they get quite accurate data of warcraftrealms.com already :P |
| 22:48.46 | Corrodias | i should log in and inform my guild that i don't plan to be showing up for nonexistant raids any more |
| 22:49.25 | bleeter | then again, it might be a test of whatever heuristics blizz are running in that 1 hour wait ... /shrug |
| 22:49.36 | bleeter | *testing by the spammers of... |
| 22:50.11 | Matrix110 | could be |
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| 22:58.43 | Corrodias | huh, my WoW freezes on login |
| 22:59.22 | Iriel | Give it a blanket and a hot drink? |
| 22:59.42 | bleeter | cup of tea and a good lie down? |
| 23:01.13 | Corrodias | works if i login without any addons. whatever. why is my portrait flashing yellow? |
| 23:02.00 | Xuerian | Rest XP? |
| 23:02.04 | Xuerian | REsted? |
| 23:02.05 | Xuerian | Resting? |
| 23:03.38 | Corrodias | resting, i guess |
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| 23:22.06 | Xinhuan | seerah, what happened to the last months worth of Pick of the Week ;p |
| 23:22.29 | Seerah | They're there. Cairenn just hasn't done news posts for them :P |
| 23:22.45 | Seerah | speaking of which, I need to do today's - got sidetracked with a different project >< |
| 23:22.58 | Xinhuan | haha |
| 23:23.02 | Xinhuan | i see |
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| 23:29.36 | Shirik | ~hug Cairenn |
| 23:29.37 | purl | ACTION hugs Cairenn tightly until Cairenn turns slightly blue |
| 23:29.49 | Shirik | no offense to Seerah, I don't think there should be a news post every week |
| 23:29.54 | Shirik | since it's a regular thing |
| 23:30.13 | foxlit | Time for a more regular fixture, like a sidebar banner, then |
| 23:30.16 | Shirik | the first few made sense because it was a new thing |
| 23:30.20 | Shirik | there is one foxlit :) |
| 23:30.21 | Seerah | not necessary, no. There's the feed page linked on the right, and it has a forum of its own |
| 23:30.25 | Cairenn | aye - did it for the first few weeks, just to get people into the hang of it, and will add it to other news posts as a reminder every now and then |
| 23:30.29 | Seerah | there is a sidebar banner, foxlit |
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| 23:30.40 | foxlit | does it update based on the latest review? |
| 23:30.42 | Cairenn | like the post that is going up today |
| 23:30.47 | Cairenn | foxlit: yes |
| 23:30.53 | Cairenn | click the link :p |
| 23:30.53 | Seerah | go look ;) |
| 23:30.53 | foxlit | What more could one want |
| 23:31.04 | foxlit | "click the link" doesn't count, though |
| 23:31.27 | foxlit | Would've been nice to see some visual indication that it had updated (and if so, featuring what) |
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| 23:34.08 | Cairenn | foxlit: add it to our suggestion forum, please? so we don't forget about it? |
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| 23:39.41 | foxlit | Cairenn: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16358 |
| 23:40.31 | Cairenn | foxlit: thanks :) |
| 23:44.32 | Xinhuan | yeah, i often just read the front page of wowi and nothing else |
| 23:44.41 | Xinhuan | would be nice to have weekly updates on the front page ;p |
| 23:45.13 | Xinhuan | it happens when people are busy and only just read the front pages of many sites |
| 23:46.05 | Cairenn | which is the one reason why the news posts was a good idea |
| 23:46.28 | Cairenn | you can RSS it though :) |
| 23:46.49 | Cairenn | there's a feed set up for it |
| 23:47.19 | Xinhuan | not sure if subscribing to that many RSS feeds is a good idea hehe |
| 23:47.24 | Cairenn | hehehhee |
| 23:47.42 | Xinhuan | you have like 6 or 7 feeds or something |
| 23:47.54 | Cairenn | we've got a bazillion! |
| 23:47.54 | Xinhuan | can't there be just one that includes everything? :) |
| 23:48.12 | Xinhuan | ok guess that would be too much |
| 23:48.20 | Cairenn | heh, would be rather a lot |
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| 23:56.45 | foxlit | http://spirit-dreams.net/or/getdevbeta |
| 23:58.06 | MentalPower | foxlit: YAY!!! |
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