| 00:00.38 | Lopeppeppy | Nah, he's choosing his words with great care and love. |
| 00:03.35 | Lopeppeppy | I do like his final statment, I will cherish it forever. |
| 00:15.51 | Drundia | ScytheBlade1, he actually says that /in is fine because everything that doesn't require hardware event can be botted anyway |
| 00:22.53 | Drundia | On top of that secure state headers can change their state after fixed amount of time after click |
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| 00:42.11 | bleeter | yeah, the CSF GMs have made a couple of slipups in the last couple of days, I suspect it's the 'pressure' from the moaning wintraders who got banned, those who got banned via sideswiping the innocent, and then the late night outage issues too |
| 00:42.52 | bleeter | though to be honest, the innocent wintraders who've posted have been very small in number, so I don't think that's really much of a prob... prolly mainly the first two |
| 00:43.24 | Lopeppeppy | Malkorix edited himself for great clarity, I'm pretty happy with his statement. |
| 00:43.55 | bleeter | oh, then there's the whole cockup on an RP Guild name being found against policy, the guild master believing Blizz id a proper review, gdisband, the original troll who reported the violation then forming the guild again Horde side, GMs discovering the wrong decision was reached... yeah, bit of a mess that one |
| 00:44.16 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: yeah, generally on the whole those guys aren't a bad bunch, happy to correct themselves where/when needed |
| 00:44.41 | bleeter | and generally have a very charming 'wtf stfu and gtfo' style of locking/suspending people :) |
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| 00:44.59 | kamdis | Uther has a release day guild forced to change their name a couple weeks back. :( |
| 00:45.07 | kamdis | <thirteen Inches> |
| 00:45.16 | Gnarfoz | somebody should post about AutoMacro on US UI forums :p they're going around silencing people about it >_> |
| 00:45.25 | bleeter | ah, I can understand that one... <Lemming Juice> was dumb |
| 00:45.27 | kamdis | which for the life of me I cannot find offensive, unless one has a dirty mind already. |
| 00:45.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | isn't that an ingame joke anyway? |
| 00:45.47 | kamdis | There have been 2 posts in UI & Macros today |
| 00:45.50 | kamdis | one was deleted |
| 00:45.57 | kamdis | yes it is |
| 00:46.06 | kamdis | "And the Tauren said, 13 inchise!" |
| 00:46.08 | bleeter | kamdis: it would appear from other rulings I've seen debated in CSF, that all the GMs (well, at least those taking a look at names) do in fact have an incredibly filthy mind |
| 00:46.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | "And then the tauren said, 'Thirteen Inches'" |
| 00:46.09 | kamdis | and NPC says that |
| 00:46.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | bleh |
| 00:46.27 | bleeter | kamdis: GMs seem to posess intimate knowledge of everything in urbandictionary.com |
| 00:46.33 | kamdis | yeah, that's where they got it from |
| 00:46.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | the ask-a-gm thread on somethingawful |
| 00:46.44 | kamdis | bleeter, haha |
| 00:46.52 | kamdis | well, I think they lost the appeal. |
| 00:46.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | basically said they have UD as a link on every GM pc |
| 00:47.00 | kamdis | because they are still TI |
| 00:47.12 | kamdis | exactly that, which sucks |
| 00:48.30 | Kaso | http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/8767/1210812305688fo6.png |
| 00:49.28 | MentalPower | Kaso: nice |
| 00:50.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | i almost want to buy one of those obama shirts |
| 00:50.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | just because of how ballsy it is to make them |
| 00:50.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://straightfromthea.com/2008/05/13/wtf-pic-of-the-day-racist-obama-t-shirts-sold-in-georgia-bar/ |
| 00:50.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | not that i support the idea, but i mean, come on :P |
| 00:52.21 | Kaso | Wear one then if someone asks you say "oh? this is because obama believes in evolution and keeping creationism out of schools, What did you think it was about?!" |
| 00:53.06 | Kaso | MentalPower, its a shame the space picture will be false coloured though :< |
| 00:53.33 | MentalPower | Kaso: yeah, but still |
| 00:58.54 | poit | when I login to warcraft now..I hear the sound of a worm (from the game Worms!) saying 'fatality' twice.. whats going on? lol |
| 00:59.13 | Lopeppeppy | That's Bugsack |
| 00:59.31 | Kaso | worms is awesome |
| 00:59.36 | Lopeppeppy | Or Bugrabber/Swatter, one of that set. Grabbing your errors for you. |
| 00:59.58 | kamdis | So, is it off limits to ask here what this AutoMacro chat exploit thing is? |
| 01:00.07 | poit | ahh yeah whew thanks.. |
| 01:00.14 | poit | I'm glad its not just me that hears those sounds lol |
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| 01:00.46 | poit | and worms IS awesome.. bunging roping some dynamite to the enemy and then ropping back before it explodes = fun |
| 01:01.13 | Kaso | worms is awesome makes my grammar center want to explode :< |
| 01:01.24 | Kaso | just sounds so wrong |
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| 01:17.20 | poit | too bad we dont have Worms: warcraft edition |
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| 01:26.05 | poit | hey, Kaso, I want to personally Thank you for being so helpful! |
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| 01:26.33 | Kaso | No worries, glad to help |
| 01:27.35 | Drundia | Hmm, is "Confirmation messages when looting BoP items that only you can loot are back." true? I didn't see those messages for badges. |
| 01:28.13 | Kaso | that makes no sense at all, it'd have to be a bug if true |
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| 01:48.56 | enum | q... I create a table, and the table is sorted alphabetically by default. Can I keep this from happening, or can I someone re-sort it back to the original order? |
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| 01:51.53 | Iriel | What do you mean 'the table is sorted alphabetically by default" ? |
| 01:52.03 | Iriel | Is this an array-style table? |
| 01:52.15 | Drundia | enum, tables aren't really sorted at all (they are sorted by key hashes but that is pretty chaotic) except for integer indices between 1 and #t |
| 01:52.53 | Iriel | the term 'sorted' is a bit vague when applied to tables without more specifics.. Array tables can be sorted (the values are in an order), but the hash tables are never sorted, they're just in the order they feel like, and that can change if you add entries |
| 01:53.08 | Iriel | Drundia: Actually it's not even 1 and #t 8-) |
| 01:53.21 | Iriel | Drundia: Unless there are no nils between those 2 |
| 01:53.34 | Iriel | (or at least, not enough nils to trigger it to re-allocate as a hash) |
| 01:54.55 | Drundia | Hash entries shouldn't be until #t in most cases |
| 01:56.26 | enum | this is what I am experiencing... |
| 01:57.06 | enum | table = { VARIABLES_LOADED = fVariablesLoaded, UNIT_HEALTH = fUnitHealth } |
| 01:57.55 | enum | when I run that through a for k,v in pairs do this:RegisterEvents(k) end |
| 01:58.13 | enum | The UNIT_HEALTH is done first, then VARIABLES_LOADED |
| 01:58.20 | Drundia | Is combat log retention time now honored? |
| 01:58.36 | enum | so, to me is looks like they are "sorted" and processed in alphabetical order |
| 01:58.42 | MentalPower | enum: you mean UNIT_HEALTH fires before VARIABLES_LOADED? |
| 01:58.46 | enum | yes |
| 01:58.52 | MentalPower | if so, thats to be expected |
| 01:58.56 | enum | well, in the for loop anyhow |
| 01:59.00 | enum | why so? |
| 01:59.05 | MentalPower | just ignore the UNIT_HEALTH |
| 01:59.27 | MentalPower | you can receive events in any order |
| 02:00.04 | enum | I assumed, that I needed to register variables_loaded before my other events... Would this be an incorrect assumption? |
| 02:00.17 | MentalPower | nop |
| 02:00.25 | Drundia | enum, yes it's incorrect |
| 02:00.28 | MentalPower | you can register in any order you want |
| 02:00.31 | enum | kk, thanks |
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| 02:55.52 | Shirik|Ghost | hi Cairenn! |
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| 02:58.42 | Lopeppeppy | I'm... mortal? AAAACCKK!!! |
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| 03:05.38 | Shirik | I wonder if my guild is the only guild whom uses deviate fish as part of a strategy for boss fights |
| 03:05.43 | Shirik | consistently |
| 03:06.17 | Lopeppeppy | What do you use it for? |
| 03:06.34 | Shirik | our MT is a tauren. He's too big to "stand on exactly" so he eats one to shrink himself |
| 03:06.48 | Lopeppeppy | Ah. *nod* Very good strat. |
| 03:07.03 | Lopeppeppy | I've seen Winterfall firewater used too, but deviate has advantages |
| 03:07.32 | Lopeppeppy | Do your members use a uberzoom macro to get more screen space? That helped my gnome rogue fight better with her Night Elf tanks. |
| 03:12.52 | bleeter | Shirik: we do that kinda stuff, either deviates or noggenfogger |
| 03:13.03 | Shirik | I don't Lopeppeppy |
| 03:13.08 | Shirik | and haven't heard anyone ask about it |
| 03:13.18 | Lopeppeppy | It's pretty useful, if you want me to go cut/paste what I use. |
| 03:13.26 | Shirik | useful if I want to look like a gnome? |
| 03:13.43 | Lopeppeppy | If you want to zoom further back, so Tauren size isn't as much an issue anymore. |
| 03:13.58 | Shirik | the issue isn't him though, it's the rest of the people |
| 03:14.02 | Shirik | that are trying to stand on top of him |
| 03:14.15 | Shirik | I guess |
| 03:14.22 | Shirik | bleh, I duno. I'm a healer I don't worry about this stuffs |
| 03:15.50 | Lopeppeppy | Well, if perspective might help, I'll get you the macro. |
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| 03:54.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Note to self: don't bother afking /far away/ from the raid on Nightbane |
| 03:54.29 | ScytheBlade1 | He'll just Fireball Barrage you to death |
| 03:54.31 | tlund | ScytheBlade1: dont /afk in instances :( |
| 03:54.38 | ScytheBlade1 | I told my raid I had to go :( |
| 03:56.05 | Seerah | Funkeh': you wanted a reason for the hug the other day? Your new forum avatar :) |
| 03:56.24 | Funkeh` | ;p |
| 03:56.35 | Funkeh` | That's Teegan |
| 03:56.55 | Seerah | and I'm sorry that's not saving settings. Perhaps it needs updated for some changes in ButtonFacade or something?.... /shrug |
| 03:56.58 | Seerah | who's Teegan? |
| 03:57.07 | Funkeh` | the puppy |
| 03:57.20 | Seerah | Yes, but who's Teegan? |
| 03:57.25 | Seerah | :P |
| 03:57.53 | Funkeh` | my families |
| 03:58.13 | Seerah | Teegan's your puppy? :) |
| 03:58.26 | Funkeh` | well, all of ours ;p |
| 03:58.50 | Seerah | ohh... gotcha :D |
| 03:59.09 | Funkeh` | Family dog :) |
| 03:59.35 | Seerah | "family's" |
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| 04:00.01 | Funkeh` | shes an attention whore |
| 04:00.06 | Seerah | so's mine |
| 04:00.09 | Seerah | and a belly whore |
| 04:00.14 | Saeris | Anyone know why the combat log refilters backwards in 2.4.2? |
| 04:00.18 | Funkeh` | haha, so true |
| 04:00.27 | Seerah | backwards? |
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| 04:01.55 | Saeris | The most recent events end up at the top. |
| 04:02.11 | Funkeh` | odd |
| 04:05.51 | Drundia | it wouldn't be a patch if pets didn't get a new bug |
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| 04:16.42 | AlexanderYoshi | Is this for real? |
| 04:16.44 | AlexanderYoshi | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6440896838&sid=1 |
| 04:19.38 | Seerah | that's what Saeris was just saying, AY |
| 04:19.51 | Seerah | (11:00:13 PM) Saeris: Anyone know why the combat log refilters backwards in 2.4.2? |
| 04:19.51 | Seerah | (11:00:17 PM) Funkeh`: haha, so true |
| 04:19.51 | Seerah | (11:00:25 PM) Seerah: backwards? |
| 04:19.51 | Seerah | (11:00:36 PM) Adys__ left the room (quit: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). |
| 04:19.51 | Seerah | (11:01:30 PM) Adys__ [n=adys@unaffiliated/adys] entered the room. |
| 04:19.51 | Seerah | (11:01:53 PM) Saeris: The most recent events end up at the top. |
| 04:19.57 | Seerah | ugh, sorry for spam >< |
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| 04:20.44 | Arrowmaster | i have a good idea |
| 04:21.17 | Arrowmaster | they changed a 1 to -1 or -1 to 1 in the combatlog.lua i noticed |
| 04:21.50 | Arrowmaster | i remember seeing it and going 'wtf?' |
| 04:21.54 | Saeris | Yes, their new code is supposed to add refiltered events to the top of the log so that new events which occur while refiltering don't have to be blocked. |
| 04:22.46 | Saeris | notice the call to :AddMessage() above it has true as the last parameter. I'm pretty sure that adds the message to the top of the log instead of the bottom. |
| 04:22.54 | Arrowmaster | ah |
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| 04:29.52 | Saeris | But yeah, somehow they've got it backwards. Hopefully they notice that thread. |
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| 04:34.31 | Tem | *sigh* my roommate and his friends are being loud |
| 04:34.43 | Tem | I wanted to be asleep 2 hours ago |
| 04:44.19 | Tem | ~x zhcn en ni de ma shi pi hua le |
| 04:44.27 | Tem | :( |
| 04:46.08 | digmouse | Tem: what's that |
| 04:46.19 | Tem | it's chinese |
| 04:46.20 | Tem | supposedly |
| 04:46.23 | Tem | no idea what it means |
| 04:46.33 | Tem | purl doesn't know either |
| 04:46.40 | digmouse | I know, but I dont know what's that either |
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| 04:46.57 | digmouse | where does in come? |
| 04:47.00 | digmouse | *it |
| 04:50.40 | fridgid | enum is a total newb |
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| 05:12.29 | Keias | Tem, it means something about your mom being a dog lol |
| 05:12.41 | Keias | zhcn en is like some sort of encoding or something. Doesn't really mean anything |
| 05:12.43 | Tem | lol |
| 05:12.59 | Tem | zhcn is the 4 character langage code |
| 05:13.26 | Tem | it's used to tell purl what langages she's dealing with |
| 05:13.29 | Tem | ~x fr en je ne sais pas |
| 05:13.38 | Tem | ~x frfr enen je ne sais pas |
| 05:13.45 | Tem | fuck off, purl |
| 05:13.51 | Tem | I know you know french |
| 05:14.51 | MentalPower | ~x es en hola |
| 05:14.57 | MentalPower | lol |
| 05:15.01 | MentalPower | ~literal x |
| 05:15.01 | purl | "x" is "<reply> see nodm" |
| 05:15.11 | Tem | ~literal nodm |
| 05:15.12 | purl | "nodm" is "<reply>Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console" |
| 05:15.27 | Tem | ker what? |
| 05:15.28 | Keias | lol, gotcha :P |
| 05:17.29 | MentalPower | ~x en es hi |
| 05:21.23 | Saeris | Anyone else experienced this? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6440896903&postId=64401983263&sid=1#0 |
| 05:21.30 | MentalPower | ~roll 100 |
| 05:21.31 | purl | ACTION stuffs 100 in a hamster ball and rolls it down a steep, snow-covered mountain |
| 05:21.37 | MentalPower | ~rand 100 |
| 05:21.54 | MentalPower | ~random 100 |
| 05:22.08 | MentalPower | ~random 100 |
| 05:22.49 | MentalPower | ~dice 100 |
| 05:30.18 | Drundia | Saeris, I experienced some other distortion in fontstrings with embedded textured starting from 2.4, it varies based on texture size and final font size (i.e. after all scaling) |
| 05:30.57 | Drundia | But that other seems to be fine now |
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| 05:32.26 | Saeris | I'd think at least the default settings would have full compatibility though. Default size, standard font, simple 12-point font size, using a built-in texture. |
| 05:33.59 | Tem | Saeris, that's a known bug |
| 05:34.12 | Tem | what kind of distortion you see is based on the font |
| 05:34.40 | Tem | and you will consistently get the same distortion in repetitions of the same glyph |
| 05:35.17 | Tem | also, it's not the fact that it's raid icons. It's any texture. |
| 05:35.35 | Saeris | I know, I just used those since they're the most familiar for an example. |
| 05:35.38 | Tem | So far, it's ony known to happen within the font strings of Chat Frames |
| 05:35.55 | Tem | (ie doesnt happen to plain FontStrings) |
| 05:36.03 | Tem | Haven't tested SimpleHTML |
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| 05:36.27 | Drundia | It can happen in GameTooltips |
| 05:36.52 | Saeris | On my personal configuration, though, I've never seen this distortion prior to 2.4.2. Did they change something that could've caused the problem to become more widespread? |
| 05:37.58 | Saeris | I had no idea it was an existing problem for others. |
| 05:39.32 | Drundia | It just changed. Some distortions disappeared, some new appeared |
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| 05:42.41 | Drundia | Normally final font size (FontSize * EffectiveScaling) is rounded to some nice integer and in plain fontstrings it looks fine, but embedded textures change something and it seems to cause problems |
| 05:43.26 | Saeris | It seems odd how only the text AFTER the embedded texture is affected though. |
| 05:43.59 | Saeris | If font size is calculated just once. |
| 05:44.02 | Drundia | I find it occuring before embedded textures too |
| 05:44.08 | Saeris | Ah. |
| 05:44.30 | Drundia | but only within same line |
| 05:44.56 | Drundia | I think it tries to position them on fractional positions on-screen |
| 05:45.47 | Drundia | but in the end it gets moved to integer ones, but rounding isn't consistent |
| 05:48.32 | Drundia | Actually, when y position distortion may appear before texture and depends on texture height, x position distortion (as in that thread) only appears after texture and i believe depends on texture width |
| 05:48.57 | Drundia | s/when y/y/ |
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| 06:03.05 | ScytheBlade1 | All hail the Zoot! |
| 06:03.10 | ScytheBlade1 | (Unless your name contains 'cog') |
| 06:03.44 | Zootfizzle | Heya :) |
| 06:03.48 | ScytheBlade1 | How goes? |
| 06:05.39 | Zootfizzle | It's been a more exciting Wednesday than usual :P |
| 06:05.41 | Zootfizzle | How about you? |
| 06:06.35 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
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| 06:06.40 | bleeter | Zootfizzle: iirc, you have a thing for sprockets... is this 'thing', positive, or negative? |
| 06:06.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Playing some EotS |
| 06:06.53 | ScytheBlade1 | With three friends |
| 06:06.54 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: don't! it'll corrupt your mind! mwhahahaa |
| 06:06.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Mage rogue rogue priest |
| 06:06.59 | bleeter | oO 4 vs 10? |
| 06:07.04 | Zootfizzle | bleeter: Sprockets rule! |
| 06:07.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Uh we probably could |
| 06:07.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Rogue and priest are 2300+ people |
| 06:07.29 | gluck_ | hey guys |
| 06:07.32 | bleeter | Zootfizzle: ah, rightio... wasn't quite sure how to approach the new spanish speaking Customer Support Forum GM Ananananananathes.. seems to have a 'sprocket' nick |
| 06:08.09 | bleeter | (no, that's not his actual avatar name, just no one can remember how many 'an's to use ;) |
| 06:08.33 | bleeter | he'd prolly end up with 'banananaman' if he hung on the EN forum hehe |
| 06:09.08 | bleeter | Zootfizzle: I believe he was trained with Reythur, whose avatar is a repair bot.. hence the sprocket thing. /shrug. that is all :D |
| 06:10.16 | gluck_ | Is there any place I can see what wow scripts are limited to? specifically if they can write their own files etc? |
| 06:10.55 | Tem | ~wowprogramming |
| 06:10.58 | purl | from memory, wowprogramming is World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons (http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob) a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 06:11.05 | Xuerian | Can't write their own files |
| 06:11.07 | dylanm | Oh yes, buy this one book. |
| 06:11.13 | Xuerian | But buy that |
| 06:11.15 | tlund | gluck_: no, they can not import or export data from the game other than via its saved variables file. |
| 06:11.16 | dylanm | IT IS THE ONLY WAY |
| 06:11.29 | Zootfizzle | wowwiki.com is a great source of information too, I'm told =O |
| 06:11.34 | dylanm | If you know about SavedVariables then yeah... that's it. |
| 06:11.35 | Zootfizzle | Not that I ever use it, or anything. |
| 06:11.40 | Xuerian | Shhh zoot |
| 06:12.05 | Tem | wowiki doesn't have a "so, you're an addon nub?" section, though |
| 06:12.10 | gluck_ | yeah I looked up wowwiki. Didn't really give me a clear cut answer. |
| 06:12.14 | gluck_ | thanks |
| 06:13.06 | gluck_ | so, all the thottbot,AK type sites use the saved variables files? |
| 06:13.44 | Sixen | Lawl, wowwiki? wutz dat? |
| 06:13.52 | dylanm | Their client addon dumps stuff out to an SV, yeah. |
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| 06:23.56 | bleeter | lolzors "Wow...I just ran into a hunter who had a forced name change...The GM changed his evil name to Ihadabadname" |
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| 06:24.41 | Xuerian | Haha |
| 06:25.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Nice |
| 06:30.50 | Tem | bleeter, that name is also against policy |
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| 06:30.51 | Tem | you should report him |
| 06:30.51 | Tem | he'll have to rename again |
| 06:30.59 | ScytheBlade1 | So. I herbed from Nightbane to Curator on my second account (druid) |
| 06:31.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Won three fel lotus and three full stacks of nightmare vine |
| 06:31.13 | ScytheBlade1 | + other random herbs |
| 06:32.02 | bleeter | Tem: yeah, that thought crossed my mind too... and caused more laughter for me |
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| 06:38.06 | Zootfizzle | G'night ScytheBlade1 ;) |
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| 09:16.33 | Nom- | I said yes XD |
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| 10:57.27 | wereHamster | does ct viewport still work? or is there another addont that can change the viewport? |
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| 11:03.59 | Maldivia | wereHamster: too lazy to write the two lines yourself? :) |
| 11:07.02 | wereHamster | yep I'm lazy. Found Aperture, the description sais 'A minimalistic viewport AddOn.' It depends on ace libraries and whatnot.. a view of what minimalistic is.. |
| 11:08.23 | [Ammo] | my GloryHole addon is 4 lines :) |
| 11:08.28 | [Ammo] | one for every corner of the worldframe |
| 11:08.46 | Maldivia | wereHamster: personally, I have a multi-purpose addon that has various different settings I use, in that I have a few lines to set a viewport |
| 11:08.57 | Maldivia | [Ammo]: and... nice name for that addon :) |
| 11:09.12 | [Ammo] | I even have a goatse.tga for it |
| 11:09.14 | [Ammo] | ;) |
| 11:09.16 | Maldivia | [Ammo]: why every corner? I just have topleft and bottomright :) |
| 11:09.36 | [Ammo] | hmm I could make it more minimal! |
| 11:10.54 | Maldivia | but is 2 lines large enough for a glory hole... |
| 11:11.39 | Maldivia | ... you'd probably have to rename it to PeakHoke then |
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| 11:48.03 | Kajas | If I wanted to give an interface 3 options to choose from, but only 1 of those can be selected at a time (such as a radio button), how is that accomplised with checkbuttons? Can't seem to find any 'radiobutton' options |
| 11:48.35 | Kajas | I tried calling 'checkbutton_name:SetChecked(false) from the lua, but I kept getting an error in-game until I removed that call |
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| 11:53.34 | wereHamster | Kajas, what error did you get? |
| 11:54.29 | Kajas | the complete message was: |
| 11:54.57 | Kajas | [string "GeneralOptionsMTHealer:OnCLick"] line 6: attempt to call global 'HealMe_Options_MTHealer' (a nil value) |
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| 11:55.55 | Kajas | and line 6 of the OnClick function simply reads: HealMe_Options_MTHealer() |
| 11:56.36 | Kajas | As soon as I disabled "GeneralOptionsPrtyHlr:SetChecked(false)" it worked fine |
| 11:57.10 | Kajas | the only other lines in that function is a call to the Default Chat Frame to print "Lua Code Fired" |
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| 11:57.50 | Kajas | hmm.. unless I have to use the 'getglobal()' command in order to work with the other check boxes in the ui |
| 11:57.53 | wereHamster | try mencoder -demux y4mHealMe_Options_MTHealer() does not exist |
| 11:58.11 | Kajas | huh? lol |
| 11:58.12 | wereHamster | wtf is that? |
| 11:58.28 | wereHamster | s/try mencoder -demux y4m/it means that the function/ |
| 11:58.30 | haste | mencoder is awesome |
| 11:59.12 | Kajas | is that a website or something? Never heard of it |
| 11:59.19 | haste | it's an application |
| 11:59.39 | wereHamster | mplayer/mencoder |
| 12:00.27 | kd3 | mplayer <3 |
| 12:00.39 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:00.56 | kd3 | anyway, off to deal with the /real world/... |
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| 12:22.17 | Guest826 | guys i have a question |
| 12:22.41 | Cide | ok, Guest826 |
| 12:22.43 | Guest826 | is it possible to import addons into cosmos? |
| 12:22.53 | Cide | ... |
| 12:22.54 | Cide | what? |
| 12:23.13 | [dRaCo] | ~asktoask |
| 12:23.15 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 12:23.16 | Cide | cosmos is a set of addons |
| 12:23.30 | Guest826 | yes but i want to add some into it which arent in the program already |
| 12:23.52 | [dRaCo] | just put 'em in your addons folder |
| 12:23.55 | Arrowmaster | you mean into the cosmos config? |
| 12:24.43 | Guest826 | well iv downloaded and extracted addons into my wow/interface/addon folder and they do not appear once i load the game and hit the addon tab. iv loaded cosmos and they say there not loaded |
| 12:26.19 | [dRaCo] | did you enable them in wow's addon screen? |
| 12:26.38 | Guest826 | well thats just it, wows addon screen doesnt see them |
| 12:27.30 | [dRaCo] | then, most likely, you unpacked the addons into the wrong folder |
| 12:28.22 | Guest826 | ok ill just double check |
| 12:36.50 | Kajas | Is it possible to change the size of a frame once it's been declared in the <Frame> tag? |
| 12:38.40 | Beladona | in lua |
| 12:38.57 | Beladona | frameName:SetHeight(123); |
| 12:39.05 | Beladona | frameName:SetWidth(123); |
| 12:39.50 | Kajas | thanks :) |
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| 12:55.51 | mikma | Cairenn|afk: http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/kissat30.jpg |
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| 13:03.13 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/sota-rauha.jpg |
| 13:05.13 | Kaso | thats an odd collection of images |
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| 13:08.32 | DARKGuy | mornin' ^^ |
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| 13:27.45 | Maldivia | ouch... that's bad then! |
| 13:28.19 | Lopeppeppy | Grrrrrr..... Sledgehammer meet computer! |
| 13:28.30 | Kaso | sprouts are nice, if prepared properlly, same with dreamweave perhaps? |
| 13:29.46 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, yes, a nice barbeque of Dreamweaver, with a light chianti... I can do that. |
| 13:30.07 | Maldivia | try deep frying dreamweaver... perhaps that helps |
| 13:30.37 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, today I'm not up for the grease though. Something lighter, with a viniagrette dressing.... |
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| 13:51.59 | Kaso | http://www.steampowered.com/status/survey.html |
| 13:52.07 | Kaso | The Operating systems field is amusing |
| 13:52.20 | Kaso | Windows XP : 80.92 % |
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| 14:10.21 | wereHamster | Kaso, why is that amusing? |
| 14:10.52 | Kaso | just showing how crap the takeup of vista is |
| 14:11.49 | wereHamster | somewhere between the 'Other' 0.15%, there are those who play under wine/cedega :) |
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| 14:12.39 | haste | I would be there! but last time I tried audiosurf it didn't work d: |
| 14:12.55 | wereHamster | What _I_ find amusing, is the 'Microphones' chart. Yes, No and then ~30 entries of 'Unknown' .. |
| 14:13.01 | Lunessa | ... entropy tends to maximize. |
| 14:13.09 | haste | working as intended |
| 14:13.16 | wereHamster | it's like enum bool { yes, no, maybe } |
| 14:13.43 | haste | same thing under driev type |
| 14:13.51 | haste | drive* |
| 14:13.55 | haste | ssh lag is evil :( |
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| 14:19.51 | Intangir | wereHamster: the wine/cedega installs probably reported a windows version |
| 14:20.36 | haste | the "weekly" wine issue had some numbers a while ago |
| 14:20.58 | Intangir | what wine issues, i have wine and have had very few issues with wow, or steam |
| 14:21.08 | Intangir | actualy i havent tried steam since changing to pulse audio.. |
| 14:21.13 | Intangir | wonder if it works |
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| 14:21.41 | haste | Intangir: I'm thinking of: http://winehq.org/?issue=back |
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| 14:25.48 | Lopeppeppy | I broked my work server again, do I get a cookie? |
| 14:28.30 | alestane | I'm thinking...no? |
| 14:28.46 | Lopeppeppy | Last time I had to pay cookies to get it back. *grumps* |
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| 14:30.47 | Kaso | PREF=f1=800020; |
| 14:30.49 | Kaso | there you go, a nice cookie |
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| 14:32.46 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Usually you want to delete cookies. |
| 14:33.45 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, the IT guys don't ever want to nibble on my deleted cookies though, they like the kind with chocolate chips still left in. |
| 14:34.05 | Lunessa | I want some of those too. Hungry already. |
| 14:34.56 | Lopeppeppy | I just had a banana. How not-satisfying can we get? |
| 14:36.19 | Maldivia | bananas can be satisfying!... and on that note, I'm heading home |
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| 14:41.38 | Seerah | peppy: you gotta slice the banana and put sugar on it ;) |
| 14:42.10 | Seerah | I, myself, have a chocolate Carnation Instant Breakfast atm |
| 14:43.10 | Lopeppeppy | Yesterday i made an Elvis Special, Seerah. Peanut butter on bread, little bit of fluff on that, banana on top, wrap it up like a hot dog. Nom. |
| 14:43.27 | Seerah | hehe |
| 14:43.57 | Lopeppeppy | Did not fry it though. My bad. Was for eating in the car. |
| 14:44.08 | Lopeppeppy | Also why the fluff and not honey -- less mess. |
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| 14:47.23 | Lunessa | ... all ur foodz r belong to me |
| 14:48.23 | Lopeppeppy | Noooo! |
| 14:50.21 | ckknight | share? |
| 14:50.47 | Lopeppeppy | You covet my last energy bar? |
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| 14:56.34 | cncfanatics | hello peeps |
| 14:56.56 | Seerah | morning :) |
| 14:58.48 | cncfanatics | damn, I really feel like shooting someone, having no mouse sucks |
| 15:00.18 | haste | buy one? |
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| 15:19.05 | poit | Lopeppeppy: if it wasnt fried it wasnt an Elvis Special.. what you made was an Elvis Jr. I'm afraid. |
| 15:19.55 | cncfanatics | haste: my parents felt like taking mine :s |
| 15:20.44 | haste | that's a odd action |
| 15:20.57 | haste | you can still solve it by buying a new one however :) |
| 15:26.30 | cncfanatics | haste: which they'll promptly take too :p my parents are that way |
| 15:26.37 | cncfanatics | they like, destroyed my old one and hid theirs |
| 15:28.33 | Seerah | why?... |
| 15:30.34 | [Liquidor] | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=4075017888&sid=1 |
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| 15:44.08 | Lunessa | [Liquidor]: naturally - all our lives we're told "bigger is better" and now someone complains... |
| 15:45.43 | [Liquidor] | I don't complain :) |
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| 17:00.11 | MentalPower | ~ugt |
| 17:00.11 | purl | [ugt] Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
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| 17:08.24 | frop | hello |
| 17:08.43 | Lunessa | good morning. |
| 17:08.53 | frop | RBM config windows doesn't comeup anymore |
| 17:09.57 | Lunessa | All kinds of reasons for that. Does it happen if you disable all AddOns? |
| 17:10.19 | frop | you mean "RBM's module"? |
| 17:10.42 | Lunessa | I read RBM as Right Mouse Button - sorry. |
| 17:13.32 | frop | AceConfigDialog-3.0 AceConfigRegistry:ValidateOptionsTable(): RBM.args.Plugins.args.Test_Suite.args.UnpauseTimedBars.passValue: unknown Parameter |
| 17:14.27 | dylanm | Bug Apoco. |
| 17:14.47 | Lunessa | Yeah, NMAD (Not My AddOn, Dear). |
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| 17:16.57 | frop | Auditor got problems too :) |
| 17:17.46 | Maldivia | Cairenn: thanks :) |
| 17:18.21 | Cairenn | Maldivia: you're welcome |
| 17:18.29 | Cairenn | (ummm, for what? lol) |
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| 17:18.41 | Maldivia | Cairenn: mail yesterday :) |
| 17:19.13 | Cairenn | ah, okay |
| 17:19.16 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 17:19.21 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 17:19.43 | Maldivia | and got a respons this morning, so it was well recieved :) |
| 17:19.52 | Cairenn | *nod* |
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| 17:23.44 | frop | i need to bug him? |
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| 17:28.00 | Lopeppeppy | Put comments into his comments section where you download the addon. Or if it's an Ace addon, check for a thread on the ace forums, which should be linked off the addon wiki page. |
| 17:28.05 | Lunessa | frop: First things first... go update the AddOns - those look to be available on http://files.wowace.com - chances are they're already fixed. If not, try the WoWAce Forums. |
| 17:28.26 | Lunessa | Peppy is Faster than Lunessa. |
| 17:29.24 | zenzelezz | prettier too |
| 17:29.46 | Lopeppeppy | I'm a redhead, of course I'm pretty. *preens* |
| 17:30.24 | Lunessa | Of course she's prettier. She's not wearing drag. |
| 17:30.56 | zenzelezz | I didn't think you were either... |
| 17:30.57 | Lopeppeppy | I'm wearing jeans, is that reverse-drag? |
| 17:32.02 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: That's not drag. That's normal. But then... since I'm a dude with a female avatar in-game that's more or less "drag". :P |
| 17:32.07 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: I don't think so. Especially not if they're tapered. For all that they were developed for Californian prospectors, women have very much made jeans their own. |
| 17:32.44 | Lunessa | And BLESS them for it too. MMMMM... good. |
| 17:33.10 | frop | just updated |
| 17:33.16 | frop | was fine this afternoon :) |
| 17:34.27 | Lopeppeppy | Then why is it not working now, frop? Perhaps another addon is interfering? |
| 17:35.15 | Lunessa | alestane: Levis used to have a rivet that fastened the material at the crotch - until cowboys complained that they were getting burned by it. |
| 17:35.23 | frop | i guess last update broken it |
| 17:35.34 | frop | ageconfig of RBM itself |
| 17:35.34 | frop | ace* |
| 17:35.44 | Lopeppeppy | So revert back. Or did you not save your previous version, just over-wrote? |
| 17:36.00 | frop | over-wrote i'd say |
| 17:36.10 | frop | not a big problem btw :) |
| 17:36.14 | alestane | Oddly enough, I learned about Levis while teaching in Japan. One of the English textbooks had the story of Levi Strauss heading west to sell prospectors tents. |
| 17:36.17 | frop | i'll just turn it off |
| 17:36.49 | Lunessa | alestane: Yeah, and poor Levi got burned too. :) |
| 17:37.15 | alestane | They didn't need tents as much as they needed sturdy pants, it turned out. |
| 17:37.54 | Lunessa | Denim is great for pants. Not so great for much else clothing-wise. |
| 17:38.53 | pastamancer | but denim jackets are so classy! |
| 17:38.59 | pastamancer | especially with fringe |
| 17:39.41 | Lunessa | Actually, I miss my "Denim Armor" and "Studded Denim Armor" from the early 80s. |
| 17:40.12 | pastamancer | is studded denim ac 17? |
| 17:41.07 | Lopeppeppy | I had it at ac15, honestly. |
| 17:41.50 | zenzelezz | I don't even know what "AC" is other than "armor class" or "alternating current" |
| 17:42.00 | Lunessa | Depends on the studding material. If it's studded with buttons and pins with humorous sayings, it AC15 and is +10 AC vs intelligent creatures. |
| 17:42.03 | alestane | air conditioning. |
| 17:42.20 | zenzelezz | you have air conditioning pants |
| 17:42.27 | Lopeppeppy | Parachute pants! |
| 17:42.57 | Lunessa | Parachute Pants were an abomination in the eyes of God. Even if I /did/ own a maroon pair. |
| 17:43.06 | Lopeppeppy | Mine were pink! |
| 17:43.36 | Lunessa | All I can say is there were drugs in the water and air during the 80s. |
| 17:52.33 | frop | yurrr |
| 17:52.37 | frop | gief back |
| 17:56.04 | zenzelezz | so when do you suppose we'll see the glorious return of the mullet? |
| 17:56.33 | Lopeppeppy | 2012. |
| 17:56.51 | Seerah | I still see kids with it every now and then |
| 17:57.01 | Seerah | little boys |
| 17:57.07 | pastamancer | the mullet never went away! |
| 17:57.12 | Seerah | they're parents grew up during the time when it was cool |
| 17:57.24 | Lunessa | The mullet... Business in the front, party in the rear... |
| 18:00.58 | Lunessa | ... this tainted love you've given... |
| 18:01.05 | zenzelezz | "Business in the front, party in the rear..." -- out of context, that sounds so dirty |
| 18:01.22 | Lunessa | Sorry... Caffeine and 80s music is getting to me. |
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| 18:05.06 | testlek | lol this may sound like a stupid question but whats the oppasite to frame:SetScript() is there some sort of 'undo a setscript' |
| 18:06.03 | Kaso | just set the script to nil |
| 18:06.12 | MentalPower | what Kaso said |
| 18:06.14 | Kaso | frame:SetScript("Whatever",nil); |
| 18:06.43 | testlek | ahh lol alright thanks |
| 18:13.37 | cladhaire | testlek: although, make sure you set it back to whatever it was BEFORE you set it |
| 18:13.41 | cladhaire | if its not your frame |
| 18:14.59 | testlek | rofl actually glad you mentioned that... |
| 18:15.22 | TecnoBrat | haha cladhaire to the rescue! |
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| 18:15.54 | Kaso | that presumes you kept a local copy to the previous script before you overwrote ;) |
| 18:16.08 | Kaso | s/copy/reference/ |
| 18:23.02 | dylanm | cladhaire: Wouldn't you have to go further than that to be really safe? What if someone hooks after you do? |
| 18:23.15 | cladhaire | you have to check to see if you currently own the toplevel hook |
| 18:23.20 | cladhaire | if not, you have to deactivate yourself |
| 18:23.22 | cladhaire | without unhooking |
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| 18:27.53 | dylanm | cladhaire: Reading AceHook that's what it does... that's good. |
| 18:27.58 | cladhaire | it should |
| 18:27.59 | cladhaire | i wrote it :p |
| 18:28.00 | dylanm | I thought it just passed it on no matter what. |
| 18:28.07 | dylanm | I thought that was Kaelten! |
| 18:28.10 | cladhaire | no |
| 18:28.19 | cladhaire | turan wrote acehook prior to 1.3 (Afaik) |
| 18:28.21 | cladhaire | i've done those since |
| 18:28.28 | dylanm | Even 3.0? |
| 18:28.30 | cladhaire | except the version ckknight did after 2.0 |
| 18:28.31 | MoonWolf | we loves him for it. |
| 18:28.44 | cladhaire | i'm not sure how much of 3.0 is my code, someone would have to analyze it |
| 18:29.13 | nevcairiel | I think kaelten basically just cleaned your design |
| 18:29.16 | dylanm | Ah. I was just going off of http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Ace3#Who_is_running_this_Dog_and_Pony_show.3F |
| 18:30.25 | dylanm | Anyway, just wanted to bring that point up. If it's something like .AddMessage that everyone is hooking you're going to get problems. |
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| 18:41.40 | ThiefMaster | hi, is it possible to retrieve the name of the party member who can loot a mob from an addon? |
| 18:43.04 | cladhaire | !loot lootrigh |
| 18:43.07 | cladhaire | !api lootrigh |
| 18:43.08 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'lootrigh'. |
| 18:43.10 | Lopeppeppy | It's in the tooltip |
| 18:44.48 | ThiefMaster | yeah, but i'm using mobinfo2 tooltips and it doesn't seem to include this information so i'd like to add it there |
| 18:45.03 | dylanm | Is it overwriting that information? |
| 18:45.52 | ThiefMaster | i think it creates a completely new tooltip |
| 18:47.24 | ThiefMaster | and then copies some information from the original tooltip |
| 18:47.32 | ThiefMaster | at least if i understoof this function http://tm.privatepaste.com/61nhe3MWzl correctly |
| 18:53.59 | ThiefMaster | ah, and is the information always in the tooltip or only when in a group? |
| 18:57.36 | Lopeppeppy | Probably only in group/raid, solo it would be redundant. |
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| 19:02.13 | dylanm | Ugh. |
| 19:11.43 | Kaelten | I'm not sure where all AceHook3 comes from to be honest, I blended it from multiple sources. But I'm sure clad's code still is in there a goodly chunk. |
| 19:14.21 | ckknight | Kaelten: hooray for forgetting copyright? |
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| 19:26.50 | Industrial | omg |
| 19:26.55 | Industrial | 10g for 150 shattered sun rep |
| 19:26.57 | Industrial | only 150!! |
| 19:27.46 | Industrial | that'd mean 590g just to revered for me right now :| |
| 19:28.00 | Industrial | oh, its not repeatable :P |
| 19:31.56 | Maldivia | it's daily :) |
| 19:32.27 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, only 59 days then! |
| 19:33.25 | Kajas | Hmm.. why would an addon show in the game if I removed that addon from the AddOns folder? |
| 19:33.45 | haste | and you restarted WoW? |
| 19:34.14 | Kajas | Yep |
| 19:34.22 | haste | then I have no idea |
| 19:34.29 | haste | you are doing something wrong (tm) |
| 19:34.40 | Maldivia | then you didn't remove the addon (perhaps removed it from the wrong folder?) |
| 19:34.55 | Kajas | Nope.. moved the entire addon's folder onto my desktop |
| 19:35.34 | Kajas | did a search for 'MyAddon.lua' and it only resides in the 'MyAddon' folder which is now on my desktop |
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| 19:37.12 | Lopeppeppy | Huh. Vista? |
| 19:37.49 | Kajas | Yep |
| 19:38.41 | Kajas | Okay.. what makes this stranger.. |
| 19:38.43 | Lopeppeppy | WoW in the Program Files folder? |
| 19:39.10 | Kajas | in the AddOns menu at loading screen, this particular addon doesn't show.. but when I click the button or use the slash command in game, the ui for that addon shows |
| 19:39.11 | nevcairiel | fully restarted the game, or only reload ui? |
| 19:39.31 | Kajas | WoW resides in the program files folder, yep |
| 19:39.47 | nevcairiel | anyway, you have a ghost addon, it'll haunt you forever now :) |
| 19:39.56 | Lopeppeppy | Kajas, I'm sure it's some peculiarity with how Vista manages things in the Program Files folder. Either that or you have multiple installs, etc. |
| 19:40.18 | Lopeppeppy | If you move it out to the regular C drive, or C:/games, or whatever... it will do less weirdness and behave more normally. |
| 19:41.04 | Kajas | Moved it to "C:\Users\<name>\Desktop" |
| 19:41.22 | Kajas | the addon's folder, that is |
| 19:41.31 | Lopeppeppy | I was talking about your entire WoW install. |
| 19:41.36 | Kajas | Oh |
| 19:42.22 | Kajas | Just deleted the addon I was working on, and emptied the recycling bin... the ui for that addon -still- shows.. dang thing just doesn't want to go away, lol |
| 19:45.37 | Lopeppeppy | I pretty much categorically refuse to analyze Vista issues. *gentle shrug* If it's in your Program Files directory, you will see strange behaviors as Vista helps you manage your system security. Since those settings vary from user to user... nope. Sorry Kajas. All I can say is I'm sure Vista is playing monkey-sticks with you. |
| 19:49.04 | Lopeppeppy | *blink* New word, please to define so I'm not ascairt? |
| 19:49.44 | zenzelezz | be kind, I've just been tossing out all my sharp-edged computer parts from years back, my fingers don't work |
| 19:50.09 | Snago | Kajas: You did at least reload UI, right? |
| 19:50.20 | Kajas | Reloaded the entire game |
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| 19:55.08 | stew_a | theres no safe/reliable way to get an itemlink/itemid&colour from an item name is there |
| 19:55.12 | Kajas | And to make this more confusing.. I changed the call in MyAddon that called 'MyAddon_Options:Show()' to MyAddonOptions:Show() ... and it still shows the ui from the deleted 'MyAddon_Options |
| 20:01.43 | Lunessa | Kajas: Google Virtual User Store for a complete explanation of why Vista virtualizes your settings for WoW. :P |
| 20:02.04 | MoonWolf | but how do you turn it off ? |
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| 20:03.34 | Kajas | Would it make a difference if the AddOn wasn't in the VirtualStore folder? [already checked, only the Bliz files are there] |
| 20:06.44 | MentalPower | MoonWolf: you don't |
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| 20:07.11 | MoonWolf | brilliant. |
| 20:07.25 | MoonWolf | security features getting in the way of operation |
| 20:07.32 | Lunessa | To prevent the problem, I installed WoW to D:\Games\ |
| 20:07.34 | MoonWolf | and you can't turn it off. |
| 20:07.54 | MoonWolf | Lunessa, while i personally have it there too, you shouldn't HAVE too. |
| 20:08.08 | Lunessa | Well, the other option is to let WoW run as Admin. |
| 20:08.22 | Lunessa | Then it has permission to write to Program Files. *shudder* |
| 20:08.39 | Kajas | hmm.. well.. removing the addon folder from the Interface folder removed the ui.. now to see if I put it back if it goes back to being a pain |
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| 20:09.51 | Beladona | anyone seeking to do development in wow on vista should be installing it to a nonstandard location anyway, to ease the development process |
| 20:10.00 | Beladona | especially if you ahve UAC turned on |
| 20:10.13 | Beladona | I goa step further and use symlinks |
| 20:10.43 | Lunessa | Basically, Applications are not allowed to write stuff back to Program Files after install. Because many old applications did this as a bad habit, the Virtual User Store intercepts and stores that data in your user profile. |
| 20:10.47 | MentalPower | MoonWolf: to be honest its blizzard's fault for not using best practices in windows |
| 20:10.55 | ScytheBlade1 | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 20:10.57 | ScytheBlade1 | What MentalPower said |
| 20:11.20 | kd3 | and a lot of us have been bitching at blizz a while to get them to /use/ best practices wrt user data |
| 20:12.57 | Industrial | shatar friendly, finally >_> |
| 20:13.08 | End | while WTF/Interface/etc obviously don't belong where they are, what do best practices say about patches? |
| 20:13.23 | End | (or is that even taken into account?) |
| 20:14.08 | ScytheBlade1 | End: that's more of a tricky subject. However, iirc, they already changed it with Vista (not XP), where the patch data is actually downloaded into the "All Users" area. |
| 20:14.17 | End | ah |
| 20:14.20 | alestane | I think the other issue is that Blizzard tries to refrain from moving to a style that will necessarily require different support for Windows and Macs, but that's happening whether they like it or not. |
| 20:14.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Which works with best practices |
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| 20:14.33 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: isn't it already that way? |
| 20:15.09 | alestane | Until Vista necessitated the whole VirtualStore issue, you could reasonably count on the directory structure being the same on either platform. |
| 20:15.31 | ScytheBlade1 | I really thought that addons and settings on OSX were kept outside of the app directory |
| 20:15.45 | alestane | ScytheBlade1: Nope! |
| 20:15.46 | ScytheBlade1 | (But I don't have a mac) |
| 20:15.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Wow, epic fail on Blizzard's part there. |
| 20:15.57 | alestane | (but maybe they should be) |
| 20:16.06 | ScytheBlade1 | They *should* be, yeah |
| 20:16.19 | ScytheBlade1 | And I think every technically inclined person in the channel agrees on that too |
| 20:16.30 | ScytheBlade1 | But none of us are employees who can make that change either; ) |
| 20:16.32 | ScytheBlade1 | * ;) |
| 20:16.41 | ScytheBlade1 | err, I spy one, but just one |
| 20:16.48 | alestane | But since there was no major issue on XP, I think they went with the approach that would mirror that. |
| 20:16.51 | ScytheBlade1 | But I don't think that's his area of expertiese either :P |
| 20:17.02 | End | yeah, I definitely like my "program files" to be immutable-ish, and my user stuff in my home directory or somewhere similar |
| 20:17.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Even on XP they're violating best practices |
| 20:17.20 | alestane | He's a content designer, so no. |
| 20:17.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Just because every other app and their friends, and their friend's dog stores data in program files doesn't mean that they should be! |
| 20:18.35 | alestane | Interface should be able to go in the WoW directory, but WTF should be considered user settings. |
| 20:19.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Then one user could influence another user's copy of WoW, and ideally that's what best practices is there to prevent. |
| 20:19.23 | End | I'm not sure I agree about Interface or not, but WTF is definitely user stuff |
| 20:19.24 | ScytheBlade1 | (The only exception being program updates) |
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| 20:21.06 | alestane | But it would also require that if WoW is run from two accounts on the same machine, and a given add-on is desired on each, than one copy has to be installed for each user. |
| 20:21.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup. |
| 20:21.40 | ScytheBlade1 | That's ideal. |
| 20:21.49 | ScytheBlade1 | One person is not the next. |
| 20:23.05 | alestane | The classic question: what's best - efficiency, security or maintainability? |
| 20:23.15 | ckknight | pick two. |
| 20:23.23 | ckknight | but maintainability, actually |
| 20:25.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Even in a world without trojans, malware and the works, I'd still have security. For one simple reason: never underestimate the power of stupid people, and certaintly don't underestimate the power of stupid application developers. |
| 20:25.07 | Lukian | so rock is maintainable, but not efficient? :D |
| 20:26.01 | alestane | And you could certainly argue that the purpose of addons is to customize the user's experience of WoW, and therefore they're user data. |
| 20:28.12 | ckknight | Lukian: ... |
| 20:28.23 | Lukian | ckknight, joking ;) |
| 20:29.50 | alestane | Well, last-minute work, gotta go. |
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| 20:48.19 | Lunessa | Good morning. |
| 20:48.31 | DARKGuy | good morning Lunessa ^^ |
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| 21:20.19 | cladhaire | Where would one find information about what needs to be escaped for the different database backends |
| 21:20.23 | cladhaire | in particular sqlite3 and mysql |
| 21:22.45 | kd3 | for mysql, php escapes \x00, \n, \r, \, ', ", and \x1a according to http://us2.php.net/manual/en/function.mysql-real-escape-string.php |
| 21:22.48 | Maldivia | not using prepared statements? |
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| 21:24.27 | cladhaire | Maldivia: i dont have an api for them, so i'm doign them manually |
| 21:24.51 | Maldivia | ahh, ok - then I would go with what kd3 mentioned |
| 21:24.53 | cladhaire | what does \x00 and \x1a mean in this case? |
| 21:25.09 | Maldivia | \x00 is NULL-byte |
| 21:25.28 | cladhaire | \000 |
| 21:25.31 | cladhaire | or anything ending in 00? |
| 21:25.38 | Maldivia | \000 |
| 21:25.39 | kd3 | \000 |
| 21:25.46 | cladhaire | then why the x? |
| 21:25.58 | Maldivia | hex numbers |
| 21:25.59 | kd3 | short for hex? that's just the way the doc put it |
| 21:26.11 | cladhaire | fair enough i guess |
| 21:26.12 | cladhaire | heh |
| 21:27.14 | Maldivia | \x1a is substitute, so that's a nice one to escape aswell |
| 21:27.19 | Lunessa | the x00 format denotes Hex |
| 21:27.30 | Lunessa | Sorry... catching up. |
| 21:27.35 | cladhaire | so \x1a is \01a? |
| 21:27.54 | Lunessa | Should be. |
| 21:28.03 | cladhaire | my storage of binary data in databases stopped working, hence why i'm asking |
| 21:28.07 | cladhaire | trying to figure some things out. |
| 21:28.08 | Maldivia | isn't \### in octets? |
| 21:28.12 | Maldivia | so it should be \032 |
| 21:28.31 | cladhaire | yes, i think you're right |
| 21:28.34 | cladhaire | thats why i'm asking :P |
| 21:29.08 | Maldivia | which language are you implementing this in ? |
| 21:29.13 | cladhaire | in lua |
| 21:29.24 | Maldivia | ahh, ok |
| 21:29.27 | cladhaire | and it was all working until a recent regression was introduced |
| 21:29.37 | Maldivia | then its not in octets, just normal 10-base :) |
| 21:29.54 | Maldivia | so \026 :) |
| 21:30.28 | cladhaire | escaping shit gets _really_ confusing |
| 21:30.36 | MoonWolf | yeah it does |
| 21:30.41 | Lunessa | I should have issued the caveat of platform/language implementations may vary. |
| 21:31.02 | Maldivia | the reason for \026 is probably because it's used on Windows as end-of-file marker |
| 21:31.42 | cladhaire | so mysql does \' instead of '' for escaping a single quote? |
| 21:31.48 | cladhaire | whereas sqlite3 uses '' |
| 21:34.01 | Maldivia | I would think lite supports \' aswell |
| 21:34.20 | cladhaire | i had issues with that last night |
| 21:34.25 | cladhaire | actually i can test that right now. |
| 21:34.43 | cladhaire | i'm gonna try this first tho |
| 21:35.40 | cladhaire | lua> for c in ("\n\r\\'\""):gmatch(".") do print(string.byte(c)) end |
| 21:35.41 | lua_bot | cladhaire: 10, 13, 92, 39, 34 |
| 21:36.38 | Maldivia | yeah, you got \n \r \ ' and " out :) |
| 21:36.52 | cladhaire | huh? |
| 21:36.58 | cladhaire | i was expecting to |
| 21:37.03 | cladhaire | unless i did something wrong? |
| 21:37.21 | Maldivia | yeah :) |
| 21:37.30 | cladhaire | what did i do wrong? |
| 21:37.47 | Maldivia | if you got what you expected, nothing? |
| 21:37.56 | cladhaire | O.o |
| 21:38.06 | Maldivia | me too... but that's nothing new :) |
| 21:38.24 | Lunessa | Confusion is the natural state of Man. |
| 21:38.42 | Maldivia | I hate writinge string with escapes, as you have to double-escape everything, making things even more unreadable |
| 21:38.59 | MoonWolf | one day a solution will be found |
| 21:39.00 | MoonWolf | i hope |
| 21:39.21 | Lunessa | Oh god yes. Oh god how I hate it. I invariably screw something up. |
| 21:40.09 | Maldivia | sqllite doesn't support \' - but if you wrap it in ", you don't need to escape it :) |
| 21:40.20 | cladhaire | does it support \" |
| 21:40.25 | cladhaire | or doe it require "" in those casea |
| 21:40.32 | cladhaire | if not, thats a circular argument :P |
| 21:40.43 | Maldivia | "" |
| 21:40.45 | Maldivia | grr |
| 21:40.47 | cladhaire | lol |
| 21:41.20 | Maldivia | hmm, can't get it to like my newlines though |
| 21:41.36 | Kaso | we should all just decide to never use reserved symbols in normal text, bang, no more problems with escaping! |
| 21:42.01 | cladhaire | this is binary data |
| 21:42.02 | cladhaire | :P |
| 21:42.47 | Kaso | well, uhh, we should ban those bytes too |
| 21:43.29 | Kaso | who needs 0xA anyway! |
| 21:43.45 | Maldivia | select "Hello\nWorld"; -- mysql outputs "Hello<newline>World", sqllite3 just writes "Hello\nWorld" |
| 21:43.55 | Maldivia | where <newline> is an actual newline |
| 21:46.51 | Maldivia | clad: you know of the quote core function on sqllite, right? |
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| 21:47.45 | cladhaire | i dont have access to the c api, and i doubt its sqllevel? |
| 21:48.04 | Maldivia | ohh, you have binary data for sqllite ? |
| 21:48.24 | Maldivia | select X'xxyyzz'; |
| 21:48.36 | Maldivia | where xx yy zz are the individual bytes in hex |
| 21:48.45 | Maldivia | there you go, no encoding needed :) |
| 21:48.57 | Maldivia | escaping* |
| 21:49.08 | cladhaire | well that is a type of encoding silly :P |
| 21:49.13 | Industrial | man, looping around tanaris edges 5 times is really boring |
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| 21:49.33 | Industrial | and i havent even advanced much in mining :< so i need to keep at it til i can do the next ore |
| 21:49.38 | cladhaire | i may just base-64 encode the files |
| 21:49.40 | Industrial | so i can do the same boring thing somewhere else :D |
| 21:49.42 | cladhaire | that definitely solves the issue :P |
| 21:51.05 | cladhaire | lemme see if that even works, lol |
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| 21:52.25 | Maldivia | well, it's easy to convert to hex to create a X'...' string ) |
| 21:52.37 | Duman | hmm |
| 21:52.41 | Duman | fooking hot outside |
| 21:53.13 | kd3 | hot would be nice... it's been wet and gray all damn day |
| 21:53.50 | Duman | I think it's 100 out |
| 21:54.05 | Duman | (California - bay area) |
| 21:54.16 | Duman | conditions are Mostly Cloudy at 100.8 deg F, wind 0.7 mph. Relative humidity is 19% |
| 21:54.17 | Duman | hah |
| 21:54.34 | Maldivia | cladhaire: and mysql supports the X'xxxx' format aswell |
| 21:54.42 | Duman | altho I dunno where the 'mostly cloudy' is coming from |
| 21:54.44 | cladhaire | but when do i decide to switch to that format? |
| 21:54.50 | cladhaire | i can't store all data like that |
| 21:54.54 | cladhaire | it would be unreadable |
| 21:56.11 | Maldivia | if you do a: UPDATE table SET name=X'414243'; |
| 21:56.16 | Maldivia | then name would read ABC |
| 21:56.51 | cladhaire | this just seems terribly messy |
| 21:57.27 | Maldivia | it's that, or handling different types of escaping :) |
| 21:57.36 | cladhaire | well i only have to handle two |
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| 21:57.44 | cladhaire | but i really need to do it |
| 21:57.58 | cladhaire | the binary data i think i'm just going to base64 encode |
| 21:58.05 | cladhaire | but i know i dont need to do that, but sqlite is hating me at the moment. |
| 21:58.50 | Maldivia | don't think you can escape \000 in any other way in sqllite |
| 22:00.23 | Duman | wtf do you have nulls? |
| 22:00.30 | cladhaire | binary files |
| 22:00.30 | cladhaire | kthx |
| 22:00.41 | Duman | oh you're saving binary data |
| 22:00.52 | Duman | I thought it was just for handling crazy text |
| 22:01.27 | Duman | there's no "blob" for sqllite? |
| 22:01.31 | cladhaire | there is, yes |
| 22:01.34 | cladhaire | the issue is constructing the query |
| 22:01.40 | cladhaire | Maldivia: http://sqlite.org/lang_expr.html agrees with you |
| 22:01.48 | cladhaire | but i think it sonly \000 i have to worry about, actuall |
| 22:01.58 | cladhaire | which means I could find that, and only convert if necessary |
| 22:02.50 | Maldivia | null is always a problem, most oftenly because of its end-of-string use |
| 22:03.03 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 22:03.31 | Duman | yep |
| 22:03.37 | cladhaire | anyone have code on hand to convert a lua string to hex ? :P |
| 22:05.13 | Maldivia | lua> for c in ("\n\r\\'\""):gmatch(".") do print(("%2x"):format(string.byte(c))) end |
| 22:05.13 | lua_bot | Maldivia: a, d, 5c, 27, 22 |
| 22:05.13 | Maldivia | lua> for c in ("\n\r\\'\""):gmatch(".") do print(("%02x"):format(string.byte(c))) end |
| 22:05.13 | lua_bot | Maldivia: 0a, 0d, 5c, 27, 22 |
| 22:05.13 | ckknight | local t = {}; for i = 1, #s do t[#t+1] = ("%02x"):format(s:byte(i)); end; return table.concat(t) |
| 22:05.44 | cladhaire | lua> = ("hello"):gsub(".", function(c) return ("%02x"):format(c:byte(1)) end) |
| 22:05.45 | lua_bot | cladhaire: 68656c6c6f, 5 |
| 22:06.00 | cladhaire | ckk wins tho |
| 22:06.03 | cladhaire | less intermediate strings |
| 22:06.08 | cladhaire | although |
| 22:06.12 | cladhaire | :P |
| 22:06.17 | ckknight | what? |
| 22:06.24 | ckknight | I could do it better if I believed in myself. |
| 22:06.28 | cladhaire | lol |
| 22:06.38 | ckknight | such as by instead getting the byte values and doing a string.char(...) |
| 22:07.02 | Maldivia | ohh, and doing it 4 bytes at a time an %08x... |
| 22:08.12 | cladhaire | lua> = ("hello\n\\\r\000"):gsub(".", function(c) return ("%02x"):format(c:byte(1)) end) |
| 22:08.12 | lua_bot | cladhaire: 68656c6c6f0a5c0d00, 9 |
| 22:08.22 | Maldivia | "%02x":format() is probably also a bit expensive, whne you can easily do the math yourself :) |
| 22:09.10 | Cide | although |
| 22:09.24 | Cide | who cares about how expensive it is, if it's not run in something like an onupdate? |
| 22:09.35 | Cide | even so, it's not a problem unless it's every frame |
| 22:09.53 | Maldivia | and considering it's interaction with mysql.. doubt it's even run in wow... |
| 22:09.54 | cladhaire | hrmph |
| 22:09.58 | cladhaire | it still doesn't save it properly |
| 22:10.51 | Maldivia | you probably have to retrieve it as a blob, because if the embedded null |
| 22:11.07 | cladhaire | it is a blob, so im' not sure what you mean |
| 22:11.48 | Maldivia | in sqllite, it might just try to return the string, which can cause problems with the null |
| 22:12.00 | cladhaire | and how am i supposed to get around this? |
| 22:12.10 | Maldivia | select hex(colName) from ... |
| 22:12.24 | Maldivia | then it's returned in the hex-code format |
| 22:12.26 | cladhaire | yeah i can't do that |
| 22:12.30 | cladhaire | so thats out |
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| 22:16.23 | Maldivia | ohh well, I'm out for tonight, good night - and good luck with what ever you're trying to do cladhaire :) |
| 22:16.28 | cladhaire | lol thanks. |
| 22:16.29 | cladhaire | :P |
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| 22:31.33 | pastamancer | cladhaire: http://lua-users.org/wiki/BaseSixtyFour ? I haven't been following the entire discussion though. |
| 22:31.48 | cladhaire | thats what i'm ending up doing, but its half assed |
| 22:32.35 | cladhaire | what i have is a sql based storage solution called versium |
| 22:32.35 | cladhaire | its an implementation of the versium api |
| 22:32.35 | cladhaire | versium.simple is nice, because its file based so it doesn't have to deal with these issues |
| 22:32.35 | cladhaire | mysql can handle embedded zeros |
| 22:32.35 | cladhaire | sqlite3 cannot |
| 22:32.35 | pastamancer | boo sqlite |
| 22:32.36 | cladhaire | so i'm just saying fuck it when i encounter one on sqlite3 |
| 22:32.36 | cladhaire | well |
| 22:32.37 | cladhaire | it CAN |
| 22:32.54 | cladhaire | but I have to convert every single string in a query to hex and back |
| 22:33.08 | cladhaire | and i couldn't get that to work immediately, so i said screw it. |
| 22:36.25 | Lunessa | Damn the MAN! Fight the conversion to hex! |
| 22:36.27 | Adys | "AOL Desktop 1.0 Comes to Mac" |
| 22:36.53 | Adys | Damn, how long did all the mac users like me await for this release! |
| 22:37.36 | Adys | " |
| 22:37.37 | Adys | Keep your favorite AOL sites right at your fingertips. You can select from more than 25 different AOL channels and features to add to your AOL toolbar. Want to add a "Write Mail" icon to your toolbar? No problem!" |
| 22:37.49 | Adys | i feel like Im in 1998 reading this. |
| 22:38.13 | Kaso | haha |
| 22:39.49 | Lunessa | *chuckle* in 1998 I was working there... as a developer. |
| 22:42.07 | Lunessa | hey, back in the day it was cool. :) |
| 22:42.38 | Lunessa | :D |
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| 23:00.06 | batrick | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:00.12 | batrick | oops |
| 23:00.24 | batrick | hi all |
| 23:01.25 | ckknight | hey |
| 23:02.23 | poit | whats shakin? |
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| 23:19.02 | ckknight | poit: my fragile belief in humanity |
| 23:19.33 | Tem | coming from you that means so little |
| 23:21.53 | ckknight | ? |
| 23:22.09 | ckknight | I'm being facetious ;-) |
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| 23:26.54 | Shirik | why helo thar! |
| 23:27.20 | Shirik | so, found out today, of all the microcontrollers I had choices of, I decided to choose the one for this project that doesn't have in-circuit debugging |
| 23:27.26 | Shirik | so I can't step through my code and find out what's wrong with it :( |
| 23:27.27 | Lopeppeppy | Nice. |
| 23:28.08 | Shirik | So they bought me this $1000 piece of equipment which is basically a chip simulator. It acts as the chip (has all the pins and everything) and acts as a debugger interface to the computer |
| 23:28.10 | Shirik | it's awesome :D |
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| 23:32.39 | ckknight | Shirik: shiny |
| 23:32.55 | Lunessa | ckknight: I didn't know you had faith in humanity. :P |
| 23:33.34 | ckknight | sure do, but it all ties into a strange personal philosophy I hold where we're all gods passing the time playing an MMO |
| 23:34.31 | Lunessa | ... pass me some of what you're smoking. Your world sounds better than mine. |
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| 23:37.26 | frop | Kael is gay |
| 23:37.42 | ckknight | which Kael? |
| 23:37.49 | ckknight | cause, I mean, I've met Kaelten's wife |
| 23:37.52 | frop | Kael'thas |
| 23:38.03 | ckknight | hrm, is he a top or bottom? |
| 23:38.05 | frop | Kaelten is my barman |
| 23:38.15 | frop | surely a bottom |
| 23:38.23 | Kaelten | hrm |
| 23:38.28 | frop | ...brokenass Kael'tas |
| 23:38.59 | frop | btw, waht was you doing with Kaelten's wife?? |
| 23:39.07 | frop | were* even |
| 23:39.21 | Kaelten | playing rock band, we're getting pretty far along now |
| 23:40.08 | ckknight | we have like 310 stars |
| 23:40.30 | Kaelten | Highway star fucking blows |
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| 23:44.45 | Lunessa | It's not rockstar until you're playing bombed out of your skull and you have groupies. |
| 23:45.35 | frop | groupies FTW! |
| 23:47.19 | Lopeppeppy | Grope hmmm what? |
| 23:49.39 | Lunessa | See... that's how you get Peppy's attention... groping. |
| 23:50.04 | Lopeppeppy | I think I need more sleep, Lunessa.... deprived and depraved are so close together! |
| 23:50.06 | frop | nn all |
| 23:50.12 | frop | :) |
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| 23:54.21 | Kaso | I sware whenever i see people wearing Jinx tshirts in real life i want to punch them |
| 23:54.32 | Kaso | http://www.jinx.com/men/shirts/video_games/more_dots.html?catid=81 (except this one) |
| 23:54.55 | Cairenn | why> |
| 23:54.59 | Cairenn | ? |
| 23:56.37 | Kaso | well, i should state that this doesnt just extend to jinx, but they whole "look at me, im nerdy"ness of them annoys me, but i kinda dislike anyone who feels they have to advertise how whatever they are, politics relgion baseball whatever |
| 23:57.06 | Kaso | Jinx products just seem more blatent than most nerdy tshirts |
| 23:57.11 | Xuerian | You must hate baseball games. |
| 23:57.12 | Kaso | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:57.54 | Kaso | well, i dont see many of them in the UK, but im not a huge fan of people who wear football shirts around the real world |
| 23:58.26 | Kaso | Now, its alright to wear the football shirt at a football game, or wear a jinx shirt at a lan party or something, just in public |
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| 23:58.38 | Kaso | Yes, small things irritate me |
| 23:58.58 | Xuerian | In public, discrete inside jokes... Otherwise I pretty much agree. |
