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| 00:14.02 | hi11ie | is there a way to unload an addon? |
| 00:14.21 | Lopeppeppy | As in, you're in game and you want it gone? |
| 00:14.49 | hi11ie | yea, because for ex. it can tell that a dependency is outdated (not the same as toc) |
| 00:15.27 | Lopeppeppy | Um... you're going to have to explain that a lot more. You want it to somehow scan your other addons and unload itself? Dunno about that one. |
| 00:15.29 | hi11ie | i was gonna do all my functions in a table and just clear the table but the addon doesn't seem to like the functions being in a table |
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| 00:15.53 | Kaso | what you said above is basically the way to unload yourself as an addon |
| 00:16.03 | Gngsk | you can disable it, but it won't be gone until you RL, afaik |
| 00:16.07 | Kaso | clear as much of your memory as you can |
| 00:16.36 | Legorol | there is no way to completely unload an addon as if it has never been loaded |
| 00:16.38 | Kaso | hi11ie, why doesnt it like functions being in a table, i bet you are calling them wrong in resepect to table.func and table:func |
| 00:16.42 | Legorol | but what Kaso said |
| 00:16.59 | hi11ie | i changed all functions to MyAddOn.fname instead of MyAddOn_ and did MyAddOn{}; at the beginning and now nothing works |
| 00:17.09 | hi11ie | i also changed the xml OnLoad and OnEvent too |
| 00:17.45 | Kaso | knew it ;P |
| 00:18.00 | hi11ie | ok? |
| 00:18.04 | Legorol | what do you mean by "did MyAddOn{}; at the beginning" |
| 00:18.09 | Legorol | at the beginning of what? |
| 00:18.13 | Legorol | first line of your code? |
| 00:18.14 | hi11ie | of the lua file |
| 00:18.30 | hi11ie | no but before MyAddOn.anything is defined :) |
| 00:18.31 | Legorol | first of all, MyAddOn{} will cause you an error message, |
| 00:18.36 | Kaso | ok basically function table.function(self, arguments) is the same as function table:function(arguments) |
| 00:18.43 | hi11ie | sorry i mean MyAddon = {}; |
| 00:18.44 | Kaso | oh, i just assuemd ^ was a typo |
| 00:18.46 | Kaso | ah yes |
| 00:18.50 | Legorol | Kaso: i don't think that's the problem |
| 00:18.55 | Kaso | you sure? |
| 00:18.59 | Legorol | hi11ie: yup, i thought that's what you meant, but it helps to be accurate |
| 00:19.02 | Kaso | i think it is |
| 00:19.02 | Legorol | avoids future problems |
| 00:19.06 | Legorol | could be |
| 00:19.07 | Marroc | is there a way to programmaticaly register a frame for an event (onclick, onevent, etc)? |
| 00:19.14 | Kaso | hi11ie, perhaps show us some code |
| 00:19.20 | Legorol | hi11ie: could you give an example of a line where you are calling one of your functions? |
| 00:19.27 | Legorol | Marroc: yes |
| 00:19.32 | Kaso | frame:SetScript("OnClick",function here) |
| 00:19.56 | Legorol | bah, Kaso is beating me on everything tonight |
| 00:19.56 | Marroc | thank you ^_^ Knew it was Set something, just couldn't nail the rest of the method name down... brain farts ftl |
| 00:20.05 | Kaso | hah |
| 00:20.06 | Legorol | wowwiki ftw |
| 00:20.34 | Legorol | that's what you get for typing so fast ;-) |
| 00:20.38 | hi11ie | ok. the weird thing is, when i go into wowlua and do print(MyAddOn); instead of saying Table: ##hash## it throws an error saying that MyAddOn is nil |
| 00:20.59 | Legorol | hi11ie: do you know how to use the pastey? |
| 00:21.12 | Legorol | if you do, please pastey the first 10-20 lines of your lua file |
| 00:21.29 | Kaso | seconding this ^ |
| 00:21.36 | Legorol | hah, beat Kaso |
| 00:21.51 | MentalPower | lol |
| 00:22.22 | hi11ie | ok |
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| 00:23.26 | hi11ie | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/87357 |
| 00:23.48 | hi11ie | there is an end at the end of that, but that's like the first 18 lines |
| 00:24.36 | Legorol | so far nothing seems out of the ordinary in that |
| 00:24.42 | hi11ie | i did my library the same as this, and when I tell it to print the lib table it prints. |
| 00:24.47 | Legorol | i take it you are trying to do print(LiCe) |
| 00:24.59 | Kaso | but the way he is defining functions Legorol any function which takes arguments will be incorrect |
| 00:25.00 | Legorol | and it's not working? |
| 00:25.11 | Legorol | Kaso: that's a secondary problem right now |
| 00:25.14 | Kaso | true |
| 00:25.23 | hi11ie | print(AlexLib) prints out Table: 0F516A70 |
| 00:25.43 | Legorol | hi11ie: it sounds like your LiCe AddOn is not getting loaded at all |
| 00:25.48 | hi11ie | print(LiCe) prints nil |
| 00:25.59 | Legorol | possibly because there is a mistake in your toc, one of the XML files or a syntax error in the lua file |
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| 00:26.28 | Legorol | to decide whether this is in fact the case or not, add this as the first line of your lua file: |
| 00:26.57 | Legorol | DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("Hurray, I'm loading") |
| 00:27.05 | Legorol | that will let you see if the Lua file is actually successfully loading or not |
| 00:27.06 | hi11ie | but basically.. what i'm trying to do with the whole LiCe.whatever functions SHOULD work? |
| 00:27.15 | Legorol | almost :) |
| 00:27.22 | Legorol | there's a mistake there as well, Kaso will elaborate on that |
| 00:27.27 | Legorol | (unfortunately i have to run now) |
| 00:27.44 | Kaso | wow ui problem tag teaming going on tonight |
| 00:27.46 | hi11ie | nope, not loading |
| 00:28.14 | Kaso | Pastey your toc as well as your FrameXML.log (which is in World of Warcraft/Logs/) |
| 00:28.15 | Drundia | by they way that "failed" variable from LiCe.OnLoad() isn't in scope of line 18 |
| 00:28.17 | Legorol | ok, then you need to fix that first |
| 00:28.52 | Kaso | wiat |
| 00:28.54 | hi11ie | k, well.. it could be a syntax error in the lua, or in the xml.. I changed LiCe_OnLoad to LiCe.OnLoad in the xml.. coult that whole . vs. : thing be causing it in the xml? |
| 00:29.01 | Kaso | that failed is in scope ...? |
| 00:29.11 | Legorol | it's not, Drundia is right |
| 00:29.35 | Legorol | L11: local failed |
| 00:29.42 | Legorol | L18 is outside that block |
| 00:29.52 | Kaso | no, line 11 is inside the block of the onload function |
| 00:29.59 | Kaso | line 18 is still in that function |
| 00:30.03 | MentalPower | no its not |
| 00:30.07 | MentalPower | Kaso: is right |
| 00:30.09 | Legorol | actually Kaso is right :D |
| 00:30.13 | hi11ie | yea, it's just hard to read with no tabs |
| 00:30.17 | Legorol | gief indentation :D |
| 00:30.21 | MentalPower | scroll down |
| 00:30.25 | Legorol | anyway, |
| 00:30.38 | MentalPower | scroll down to the editbox and you'll see it has tabs there |
| 00:30.55 | Drundia | indeed, i failed to count ends and blocks.... |
| 00:31.09 | Kaso | ok so where are we |
| 00:31.21 | Kaso | addon isnt loading propablly xml issue |
| 00:31.24 | hi11ie | Kaso: i'm wondering if Table.function isn't allowed in the xml file? |
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| 00:31.35 | Kaso | umm im trying to remeber |
| 00:31.36 | Drundia | why not? |
| 00:31.44 | hi11ie | no clue |
| 00:31.44 | Kaso | thats a rahter odd way of doing it anyway.. |
| 00:31.55 | hi11ie | all i know is it's broke |
| 00:32.01 | Kaso | Post FrameXML.log |
| 00:32.31 | Drundia | I believe code in XML is compiled and run in the same way as in Lua, except that first that code is parsed by XML parser so requires some extra escaping. |
| 00:33.17 | hi11ie | Kaso: ok. do i have to quit wow for that file to be updated? coz it's showing an old error |
| 00:33.33 | Kaso | i havent had lua inside my XML for so long i can barely remeber Drundia >.< |
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| 00:34.01 | Kaso | hi11ie, i think the xml log should refresh on each login |
| 00:34.06 | Drundia | Well, at least you still have XML! |
| 00:34.07 | Kaso | just log out then post it |
| 00:34.37 | hi11ie | it fdidn't |
| 00:34.40 | Drundia | wasn't FrameXML.log flushed to disk all the time? |
| 00:34.48 | Drundia | like taint.log |
| 00:35.27 | Kaso | xml errors can only happen on login so its only changed on startup |
| 00:35.52 | hi11ie | FrameXML.log isn't getting written. i'm guessing that means no errors there? |
| 00:36.24 | Kaso | umm, try closing wow just to be sure |
| 00:36.30 | hi11ie | i did |
| 00:36.33 | Kaso | ok then |
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| 00:36.43 | Kaso | if the printout isnt printing and there are no xml errors |
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| 00:36.48 | Kaso | then it must be a toc error |
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| 00:39.29 | Drundia | perhaps check if addon is in the list and enabled and IsAddOnLoaded(name) |
| 00:39.43 | Marroc | Does anyone have an example of a function being set dynamically to a frame's onclick handler (in regards to earlier question... for some reason my function starts throwing errors, even though if I call the function outside of the setscript it works fine...) |
| 00:40.05 | dylanm | Marroc: What errors? |
| 00:40.17 | Marroc | "attempt to index field 'db' (a nil value)" |
| 00:40.36 | Marroc | yet self.db most certainly exists :P cause I use it everywhere else just fine |
| 00:40.53 | dylanm | Pastey your code? |
| 00:41.22 | hi11ie | Kaso: the toc is unmodified from when it worked |
| 00:41.40 | hi11ie | i tried reverting the OnLoad and OnEvent functions to LiCe_ instead of . |
| 00:41.42 | hi11ie | still doesn't work |
| 00:41.43 | Marroc | dylanm: one sec :P |
| 00:41.45 | Drundia | enable showing lua errors |
| 00:41.58 | Drundia | maybe you'll see some |
| 00:42.17 | Kaso | Then something isnt right hi11ie. |
| 00:42.22 | dylanm | Marroc: Actually, I think I know what you're doing wrong. |
| 00:42.44 | Marroc | dylanm: which is? :P |
| 00:42.47 | hi11ie | ok. it works now.. that was weird |
| 00:43.01 | dylanm | You're setting the script to be something an element of a table, right? |
| 00:43.08 | Drundia | wow sometimes needs a good slap... erhm, i mean restart. |
| 00:43.09 | hi11ie | i noticed in the addon list.. it was checked, there was no text to the right (out of date, etc.) but the checkmark was gray instead of yellow |
| 00:43.27 | Marroc | dylanm: no, the script is being set to a function that uses information out of a table |
| 00:43.30 | hi11ie | i unchecked, checked again, it was yellow, then it worked |
| 00:43.53 | Kaso | hi11ie, you must have switched users or something? grey means it is enabled on one user for that realm but not all |
| 00:43.53 | Marroc | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/87358 relevent functions are the local version of ToggleBag and the frame code at the very end of the file |
| 00:43.56 | Drundia | OnClick passes first argument as trigerred frame... button even. |
| 00:44.09 | Marroc | (don't mind the mess... its like half documented atm >_<) |
| 00:44.26 | Kaso | Marroc, using setScript wrong there |
| 00:44.50 | hi11ie | Kaso: what about the DisableAddon fucntion? i used that before all this crazyness happened |
| 00:45.06 | Kaso | im not sure hi11ie |
| 00:45.17 | dylanm | Yeah that doesn't look right. You're setting the script to be a... boolean? |
| 00:45.20 | Kaso | Marroc, the second argument is supposed to be a function variable, not a function call like you're using it for |
| 00:46.09 | Marroc | so it functions differently than if I were to write the xml for it? Cause <script><onclick>ToggleBag(1)</onclick></script> functioned as expected |
| 00:46.18 | Drundia | DisableAddOn() disables addon starting from next ui load |
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| 00:46.36 | Drundia | Marroc, then you need to create a function right there |
| 00:46.42 | Marroc | ah okay |
| 00:46.50 | Kaso | Marroc you want to do SetScript("OnClick",function() ToggleBag(1) end) |
| 00:46.50 | Drundia | like f[1]:SetScript("OnClick", function() ToggleBag(1) end) |
| 00:46.51 | dylanm | Marroc: It's necessarily different. If you wrap it like :SetScript("OnClick", function () ToggleBag(1) end) |
| 00:46.58 | Kaso | haha |
| 00:47.02 | dylanm | Then it's pretty much equivalent. |
| 00:47.03 | Marroc | ya it makes sense now |
| 00:47.03 | Kaso | tri-answer |
| 00:47.05 | dylanm | Funnnn. |
| 00:47.22 | hi11ie | Kaso: so what were you saying about Table:Function and Table.function? |
| 00:47.23 | Marroc | ... i'm still shifting over to Lua from several other languages so everything in my head is kind of jumbled |
| 00:47.42 | Kaso | ok so |
| 00:47.49 | Drundia | or you should make a check inside ToggleBag(frame) that will check some data about frame to determine bag id instead of receiving it like that |
| 00:48.03 | Kaso | Short version: use : instead of . |
| 00:48.37 | Marroc | Drundia: ya, I'll clean it up at some point, I was just trying to get it to function |
| 00:49.08 | hi11ie | long version? |
| 00:49.32 | Kaso | Long version there are two ways to call functions within tables |
| 00:49.55 | Kaso | table:function(arguments) is the same as doing table.function(table,arguments) |
| 00:50.21 | hi11ie | oh. |
| 00:50.41 | Kaso | so if you define a function like table.function(argument) and call it using table:function(argument) then it wont work, argument inside the function code will not be the argument but it will be a reference to the table |
| 00:50.46 | bleeter | what's the name of the addon that tracks procs? |
| 00:51.35 | hi11ie | Kaso: i'm calling it as . tho |
| 00:52.07 | dylanm | bleeter: ProcWatch? |
| 00:52.41 | bleeter | dylanm: sounds right, thanks mate :) |
| 00:53.45 | hi11ie | Kaso: i'm kinda confused coz it seems like it should be broken but it works.. also Sea defines/calls them with Sea.util.etc |
| 00:54.28 | Kaso | if you're calling and defining both with . then it shouldnt cause any error |
| 00:54.36 | hi11ie | i read about using : in wow programming but i'm confused about why the . functions work, if the first argument is a reference to the table then my functions should all be broken |
| 00:55.08 | Kaso | wait, this is getting confusing |
| 00:55.13 | Kaso | does your code work right now? |
| 00:55.16 | hi11ie | yyes |
| 00:55.22 | Kaso | ok, then theres no problem |
| 00:55.35 | Kaso | it'd only become a problem if you were planning to call using : |
| 00:55.59 | hi11ie | Kaso: so why should I use : ? not tryin to be difficult just seems like maybe : might be better? |
| 00:56.18 | Kaso | its kinda confusing, in your case it matters not but basically .. |
| 00:56.34 | Kaso | s/it matters not/it doesnt matter/ |
| 00:57.41 | Kaso | the reason the two types exist is so you can have one function table.func(self,stuff) then using meta table magic assign many tables to point to that function, then by using table1:func() you are calling that general function but with a reference to the particular table you are dealing with |
| 00:57.46 | Kaso | umm for example |
| 00:58.21 | Kaso | Frame:Show() in wow, all frames point to the same Show() function, but because we are using : the first argument is a pointer to the particular frame we want to show |
| 00:58.44 | Kaso | I've probally made this about 10x more confusing than it should be |
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| 01:00.06 | Drundia | you don't really need metatable magic, you can put them inside all those countless tables for real if you want |
| 01:00.37 | Kaso | true, you could do it manually |
| 01:00.45 | Kaso | but 99% of the time in real world :p |
| 01:00.52 | hi11ie | Kaso: i think i get it |
| 01:00.56 | Drundia | you have to set metatables manually as well |
| 01:00.58 | hi11ie | it's an OO type thing? |
| 01:01.23 | hi11ie | so you can do ChatFrame:Show() without having to pass any references? |
| 01:01.34 | Kaso | yes, its one of the things lua gives us which makes us able to make lua OO |
| 01:01.43 | Kaso | well makes it easier |
| 01:03.07 | Drundia | ChatFrame.Show(ChatFrame) looks ugly also |
| 01:03.51 | Marroc | Thats because in actuality ChatFrame.Show(ChatFrame) is <Instance of Frame Class>.show(ChatFrame) |
| 01:04.22 | Marroc | Same reason you can do a="abc" a.len(a) and string.len(a) |
| 01:04.58 | hi11ie | Kaso: ok well i don't understand it 100% but.. i changed AlexLib.Print to :Print and AlexLib:Print("hello") and AlexLib.Print(AlexLib,"hello") do the same thing (only putting the string makes the function fail) |
| 01:05.21 | Drundia | Also : is faster than . because of special lua assembly command for : |
| 01:05.26 | Marroc | the function probably fails because you wrote it to only accept 1 arguement :P |
| 01:05.56 | hi11ie | i mean it fails if i call it with a . |
| 01:06.08 | hi11ie | if i give it the table as arg1 and the string as arg2 it works |
| 01:06.49 | Marroc | oh i see, misread your message :P |
| 01:06.51 | Drundia | Ace stuff mostly likes : |
| 01:08.30 | Kaso | how does it fail, which error? |
| 01:08.44 | hi11ie | this might be a silly question, but for normal variables do i still use : or .? (like strings, other tables, etc.) |
| 01:09.12 | hi11ie | Kaso: acts like you didn't run anything |
| 01:09.31 | Kaso | "normal variables" ? |
| 01:09.46 | Drundia | normal variables might as well not be indexable |
| 01:09.46 | hi11ie | AlexLib.VERSION = { 0, 2, 3 }; |
| 01:09.55 | Kaso | : is only for functions |
| 01:10.08 | Drundia | what Kaso said |
| 01:10.44 | hi11ie | Kaso: and if using pairs() to iterate through the table of functions? can you still do table.function = nil or ? |
| 01:11.17 | Kaso | only use : for calling or defining functions |
| 01:11.34 | Kaso | so in situations when there are brackets after the function name |
| 01:11.35 | hi11ie | so for undefining functions use . |
| 01:11.58 | hi11ie | ok |
| 01:12.23 | Kaso | "undefinng functions" isnt technically what you are doing there, but i know what you mean |
| 01:13.05 | hi11ie | Kaso: i'm setting that table key's value to nil, right? |
| 01:13.53 | Kaso | yah, you're removing the reference to the function basically, in this case the function has no other references and will be GC'd away but that is not always so |
| 01:13.57 | Kaso | for example |
| 01:14.16 | Kaso | local a = function () print"whatever" end |
| 01:14.26 | Kaso | local b = a; |
| 01:14.30 | Kaso | b = nil; |
| 01:14.37 | Kaso | function is still defined |
| 01:14.47 | hi11ie | until i set a to nil |
| 01:15.14 | Kaso | Indeed |
| 01:15.20 | Drundia | until block ends |
| 01:15.24 | Kaso | that too |
| 01:15.38 | Kaso | im being nitpicking, but its good to know whats technicall happening |
| 01:18.33 | Drundia | well technically yes, until all references die |
| 01:21.00 | Gilial_ | How do you define a function with optional parameters? And lua doesn't have any function overloading does it? |
| 01:21.59 | Kaso | no function oveloading |
| 01:22.25 | Drundia | if you call function with less arguments than you defined the remaining ones will be nil. you can also use "..." for vararg functions |
| 01:22.47 | Kirkburn|afk | Guillotine, congrats |
| 01:22.58 | Guillotine | thanks :) |
| 01:23.11 | Kirkburn|afk | No idea how late that was, but hey :) |
| 01:23.24 | Gilial_ | @Kaso, Drundia: Aha, thanks! |
| 01:23.29 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh, reminds me ... who's going to WWI? |
| 01:23.42 | Kirkburn|afk | And is there a meetup thread anywhere? |
| 01:23.55 | Kaso | i was going to have a second part to my response but drundia beat me :> |
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| 01:26.20 | hi11ie | Kaso: now i had the problem with SlashCmdList["whatever"] = LiCe.Function; it wants the () and args, but when I put it I get a nil error on the line inside said function where it uses the args |
| 01:27.20 | Kaso | how is the function defined? |
| 01:28.13 | hi11ie | one is LiCe:Friend(args) |
| 01:29.21 | hi11ie | when I used LiCe.Friend and before LiCe_Friend, i had SlashCmdList["LICEFRIEND"] = LiCe_Friend; |
| 01:29.30 | hi11ie | (or .Friend, depending on how it was defined) and it worked |
| 01:29.42 | hi11ie | that's how it said to do it on the howto in wowwiki |
| 01:29.52 | Drundia | slash comman handlers receive like 1 argument which is text after command iirc |
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| 01:30.10 | Kaso | basically the issue is here the code is calling it like LiCe.Function(message) |
| 01:30.29 | Kaso | and as you defined as : then that message is being passed to the "self" argument instead |
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| 01:30.47 | Kaso | the easiest way to fix is to wrap the function |
| 01:31.01 | Kaso | SlashCmdList["whatever"] = function(msg) LiCe:Function(msg) end |
| 01:31.15 | hi11ie | ok |
| 01:31.32 | hi11ie | then to dereference SlashCmdList["whatever"] = nil |
| 01:31.37 | hi11ie | ? |
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| 01:32.37 | cogwheel | in that case, it's usually more understandable to set a flag in your addon and check it in the function. |
| 01:32.50 | cogwheel | rather than clearing the function from the list completely |
| 01:32.55 | Drundia | and also each hash_SlashCmdList["/commandforwhatever"] = nil |
| 01:33.24 | hi11ie | cogwheel: well in this case, i would be wanting to remove all trace of my addon |
| 01:33.32 | hi11ie | without having to /reload |
| 01:33.43 | cogwheel | that works :) |
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| 01:34.18 | Drundia | why would you need to do it anyway? |
| 01:35.34 | Shirik | evening all |
| 01:35.49 | cogwheel | lua> local t = { } t.foo = function() t = nil end t() |
| 01:35.50 | lua_bot | cogwheel: luabot:1: attempt to call local 't' (a table value) |
| 01:35.51 | Drundia | morning Shirik |
| 01:35.56 | cogwheel | err |
| 01:35.59 | Legorol | Can you guys please stop confusing hi11ie :) You are mixing two things up |
| 01:36.01 | cogwheel | lua> local t = { } t.foo = function() t = nil end t.foo() |
| 01:36.01 | lua_bot | cogwheel: No output |
| 01:36.18 | Legorol | The Lice:Function syntax is only necessary for handlers, he can carry on using Lice.Function perfectly fine for other functios |
| 01:36.33 | Kaso | cogwheel mind:blown |
| 01:36.57 | Drundia | you can't confuse people if they don't confuse themselves |
| 01:36.57 | Kaso | that function... like... kills itself! |
| 01:37.14 | Shirik | wouldn't it be more.... mind:blow() ? |
| 01:37.18 | Legorol | which is awesome |
| 01:37.19 | Shirik | or mind.blown = true |
| 01:37.22 | Kaso | hah |
| 01:37.22 | Kaso | yes |
| 01:37.41 | Drundia | good function :) |
| 01:37.53 | cogwheel | mind.m_bisBlown |
| 01:37.59 | cogwheel | <.< |
| 01:38.01 | cogwheel | >.> |
| 01:38.03 | Shirik | microsoft notation! |
| 01:38.08 | Marroc | that reminds me of how my comp-sci professor would name all his variables... you'd always have aBook.fullOfPages.withText etc. >_< |
| 01:38.09 | Shirik | (aka hungarian) |
| 01:38.12 | Legorol | what's the m_bis thing? |
| 01:38.19 | cogwheel | m_ = member |
| 01:38.19 | Shirik | but I call it Microsoft because they're the only ones who use it anymore lol |
| 01:38.25 | Shirik | m_ = member variable |
| 01:38.25 | Shirik | b = boolean |
| 01:38.29 | Shirik | is = ... is |
| 01:38.43 | hi11ie | Legorol: what do you mean by handlers? |
| 01:39.03 | cogwheel | m_gold |
| 01:39.10 | Legorol | i call "handlers" those functions which are getting called from the XML side of things, such as the function that handles OnEvent, OnLoad etc. |
| 01:39.16 | Drundia | now, Legorol, unconfuse hi11ie :) |
| 01:39.33 | Legorol | for those, you should be using the Lice:Function syntax so they can properly handle their arguments |
| 01:39.38 | Shirik | I only use m_, I don't see much purpose in types in variable names anymore |
| 01:39.42 | Legorol | for any other function you use, you can do whatever you please |
| 01:39.45 | Shirik | (except in like BASIC where it's required) |
| 01:41.33 | cogwheel | not since it's been all caps |
| 01:41.46 | cogwheel | err since it stopped being... |
| 01:43.24 | cogwheel | l2dim imo :P |
| 01:43.26 | Legorol | All hail Basic! |
| 01:43.47 | Shirik | I% = 4 |
| 01:44.01 | Shirik | you know, BASIC has left one strange habit in me that still confuses people |
| 01:44.04 | Legorol | The best introductory materials for programming per se (and not "introduction to language X") somehow seem to be the ones written for basic |
| 01:44.07 | cogwheel | dim i as int\ni = 4 |
| 01:44.09 | Shirik | Whenever I see $, I call it "string" |
| 01:44.12 | Legorol | especially the ones aimed at children |
| 01:44.33 | Shirik | so like Java variables that go foo.bar$1 I'll call it "foo dot bar string 1" |
| 01:44.39 | cogwheel | Shirik: yeah, that's one i've never gotten over |
| 01:45.08 | Legorol | i would read that as "foo dot bar cha-ching! one" |
| 01:45.45 | Legorol | coming back to introductory materials: |
| 01:45.55 | cogwheel | i call it foo dot bar badinvestment 1 |
| 01:46.08 | Drundia | badinvestment :) |
| 01:46.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik, you're a java guy, right? |
| 01:46.13 | Legorol | if anyone can find online any material that is aimed specifically at introducing children to programming, AND is using a somewhat sensible language, i'd be eternally grateful |
| 01:46.18 | Shirik | I hate Java |
| 01:46.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Hate? :( |
| 01:46.25 | Shirik | but yes, I know it rather well (not to toot my own horn) |
| 01:46.28 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:46.31 | cogwheel | Legorol: so would i |
| 01:46.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Project suggestion for you! |
| 01:46.36 | Shirik | I teach it so I hope I know it well |
| 01:46.51 | Marroc | have you ever considered using something like scheme (with its syntax modified) |
| 01:46.54 | ScytheBlade1 | The WWS guy said that he would donate the parser to someone willing to take up the offline version of it, open sourced ;) |
| 01:46.56 | Legorol | there are tons of "introduction to language X" type things |
| 01:47.00 | cogwheel | Legorol: how to think like a programmer (or something like that) ? |
| 01:47.03 | Shirik | oh god not now |
| 01:47.04 | Legorol | there are also a decent amount of "introduction to programming" type of things |
| 01:47.09 | Legorol | but not much aimed at children |
| 01:47.09 | Shirik | I have way too much on my plate already |
| 01:47.13 | cogwheel | there's a couple versions in different programming languages |
| 01:47.17 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 01:47.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Well I had to try |
| 01:47.23 | cogwheel | Legorol: how old? |
| 01:47.23 | Shirik | The wowi updater still needs serious work |
| 01:47.29 | Shirik | But I would LOVE to because WWS is absolutely ugly |
| 01:47.36 | Shirik | it works, but it's ugly |
| 01:47.38 | Legorol | cogwheel: i'd be happy with decent intro to programming for adults as well |
| 01:47.44 | ScytheBlade1 | As far as I know, no one has taken him up on the offer |
| 01:47.50 | Legorol | there aren't many of those, and am always happy to learn of new ones |
| 01:47.55 | cogwheel | clad|sleep swears by how to think like a programmer |
| 01:48.02 | Legorol | is that an actual book? |
| 01:48.07 | Marroc | if you're looking for programming theory: http://www.htdp.org/ |
| 01:48.13 | cogwheel | Legorol: open source book |
| 01:48.35 | Drundia | keylogger! :) |
| 01:48.40 | cogwheel | http://www.greenteapress.com/thinkpython/ |
| 01:48.48 | Legorol | python >.< |
| 01:48.54 | Legorol | oh well, it had to be something i don't like :/ |
| 01:49.03 | Legorol | well if the material is good, i'll live |
| 01:49.04 | Marroc | Drundia: thats actually the intro to comp sci 1 book that NEU uses |
| 01:49.11 | cogwheel | [18:47] <cogwheel>there's a couple versions in different programming languages |
| 01:49.16 | cogwheel | Legorol: ^^ |
| 01:49.17 | Shirik | ~slap Lopeppeppy |
| 01:49.18 | purl | ACTION slaps Lopeppeppy, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 01:49.22 | Legorol | oooh |
| 01:49.33 | Lopeppeppy | Ouch. |
| 01:49.37 | Shirik | ~hug Lopeppeppy |
| 01:49.38 | purl | ACTION hugs Lopeppeppy tightly until Lopeppeppy turns slightly blue |
| 01:49.42 | cogwheel | not sure what the other one is |
| 01:49.44 | Legorol | You see, as the resident computer guru in my IRL environment (i suspect most of us are), I often get asked for "so how can i learn programming" |
| 01:49.50 | Legorol | i'd love to be able to hand a book to them in that case |
| 01:49.51 | Lopeppeppy | ~botsnack |
| 01:49.51 | purl | aw, gee, Lopeppeppy |
| 01:50.40 | Marroc | the issue with learning programming is you're actually learning 2 things... theory, and syntax :P |
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| 01:50.43 | Drundia | Marroc, well, that's what people say when they see links inside wow :) |
| 01:50.52 | cogwheel | would be the perfect thing to help people into addon programming |
| 01:51.00 | Drundia | theory is harder than syntax |
| 01:51.08 | hi11ie | how do you programmatically tell if something if a variable is a table? |
| 01:51.10 | Marroc | Drundia: true enough... probably should have prefaced the link with "not a trojan" |
| 01:51.16 | Shirik | hi11ie: type(var == 'table' |
| 01:51.17 | Shirik | er |
| 01:51.21 | cogwheel | Marroc: yeah, that's what this book claims to do differently |
| 01:51.21 | Shirik | type(var) == 'table' |
| 01:51.47 | Shirik | or you could do |
| 01:51.50 | cogwheel | (again, take my words as heresay) |
| 01:51.59 | Marroc | cogwheel: HTDP does it as well... It uses a modified version of scheme to limit/simplify syntax to the point where it becomes almost human readable, thus making the user focus on theory |
| 01:52.08 | Shirik | function isTable(var) return pcall(setmetatable, getmetatable(var)) end |
| 01:52.10 | Shirik | I think |
| 01:52.13 | Shirik | but please don't do that |
| 01:52.22 | hi11ie | if t1.t2 is another table, do i need to set all of t2's keys to nil, or will t1.t2 = nil do the trick ? |
| 01:52.33 | Shirik | hi11ie, depends on what you want to do |
| 01:52.33 | Marroc | cogwheel: ie. add is literally (+ 1 2 3 4 ...) which is read "add 1 2 3 4 etc" |
| 01:52.39 | Kaso | haha you're crazy Shirik |
| 01:52.46 | hi11ie | Shirik: release all the memory |
| 01:52.46 | Shirik | t1.t2 = nil will work, but if you're making another table there, it will churn memory |
| 01:52.55 | Shirik | then just nil it |
| 01:53.00 | Shirik | Kaso, would it work? :D |
| 01:53.07 | Drundia | well, Shirik, i believe that won't quite work... |
| 01:53.17 | hi11ie | there won't be a table lost without a refernece somewhere? |
| 01:53.20 | Shirik | --> isTable = function(var) return pcall(setmetatable, getmetatable(var)) end |
| 01:53.23 | Drundia | or will it? |
| 01:53.48 | Shirik | hi11ie: Memory is not freed up until all references are removed |
| 01:53.49 | Kaso | > print(isTable({})) |
| 01:53.49 | Kaso | false bad argument #1 to '?' (table expected, got nil) |
| 01:54.14 | Shirik | --> return isTable{} |
| 01:54.14 | batbot | Shirik: > false, bad argument #1 to '?' (table expected, got nil) |
| 01:54.16 | Shirik | hm |
| 01:54.21 | Shirik | whoopsie |
| 01:54.22 | Shirik | I meant |
| 01:54.32 | Shirik | --> isTable = function(var) return (pcall(setmetatable, var, getmetatable(var))) end |
| 01:54.38 | Shirik | --> return isTable{} |
| 01:54.38 | batbot | Shirik: > true |
| 01:54.44 | Shirik | --> return isTable(4) |
| 01:54.45 | batbot | Shirik: > false |
| 01:54.47 | Shirik | hehehe |
| 01:54.48 | Drundia | yes Shirik! now it's right! |
| 01:55.07 | Drundia | --> return isTable("q") |
| 01:55.08 | batbot | Drundia: > false |
| 01:55.11 | hi11ie | Shirik: so basically t1 = {}; t1.t2 = {} t1.t2.t3 = "wahh"; t1.t2 = nil; t1 = nil; |
| 01:55.22 | Shirik | you don't need to do t1.t2 = nil |
| 01:55.25 | Shirik | you could just do t1 = nil |
| 01:55.27 | MentalPower | --> return isTable(newproxy()) |
| 01:55.27 | batbot | MentalPower: > false |
| 01:55.27 | Drundia | hi11ie, no, you just need to do topmost table |
| 01:55.29 | Kaso | hi11ie, if you just want to clear memeory just t1=nil |
| 01:55.39 | Kaso | and Shirik beat |
| 01:55.40 | hi11ie | ok |
| 01:55.41 | Kaso | me |
| 01:55.41 | Drundia | the remaining ones will also be eaten by gc if they aren't referenced from anywhere |
| 01:55.41 | MentalPower | Shirik: why not just type()? |
| 01:55.49 | Kaso | MentalPower cos he's crazy |
| 01:55.54 | Shirik | (21:52:12) (@Shirik) but please don't do that |
| 01:55.57 | cogwheel | lua> return (function(s)return(('%s%q'):format(s,s))end)"lua> return (function(s)return(('%s%q'):format(s,s))end)" |
| 01:55.57 | lua_bot | cogwheel: lua> return (function(s)return(('%s%q'):format(s,s))end)"lua> return (function(s)return(('%s%q'):format(s,s))end)" |
| 01:56.14 | MentalPower | a quine! |
| 01:56.16 | hi11ie | Kaso: you sure? coulda swore i saw an example in wow programming where they did an iteration through the keys |
| 01:56.25 | hi11ie | the book is at work now tho. can't check |
| 01:56.27 | Shirik | it all depends on what you're trying to do hi11ie |
| 01:56.29 | Shirik | what he said is true |
| 01:56.33 | Shirik | and what the book said is true |
| 01:56.41 | Kaso | indeed |
| 01:56.53 | hi11ie | but it seems kaso's is way more efficient |
| 01:56.58 | Shirik | depends |
| 01:57.05 | Kaso | for your purpose it is what you want to do |
| 01:57.06 | Shirik | it is faster, consumes less CPU time |
| 01:57.22 | Shirik | it also churns memory if you're just replacing it with another table |
| 01:57.23 | hi11ie | :) |
| 01:57.38 | hi11ie | "churns memory" ? |
| 01:57.53 | Shirik | generates garbage |
| 01:58.22 | hi11ie | i'm not replacing it, just killing it. it's basically like.. "i discovered you don't have what i need to run, so i'm going to set myself to nil" |
| 01:58.55 | Shirik | then just set it to nil |
| 01:58.58 | Shirik | the GC will take care of it later |
| 01:59.32 | hi11ie | ok |
| 01:59.42 | hi11ie | can you invoke the GC? |
| 01:59.47 | Kaso | yes but dont |
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| 01:59.54 | Shirik | ^ |
| 01:59.57 | hi11ie | Kaso: how come? :) |
| 02:00.01 | Drundia | does it really mess it up? |
| 02:00.02 | Kaso | because there is no need |
| 02:00.12 | Shirik | unless you have a really, really good reason to, you'll likely make things worse |
| 02:00.14 | ScytheBlade1 | lua has an incremental garbage collection |
| 02:00.16 | Kaso | the incremental GC is really good, it does the job just fine |
| 02:00.20 | cogwheel | it defeats the purpose of a garbage collecter |
| 02:00.37 | Drundia | i heard that manually invoking it causes problems with standard background one running |
| 02:00.45 | cogwheel | O.o |
| 02:00.57 | Drundia | well, wow didn't use that cool incremental garbage collection until some patch |
| 02:01.06 | Kaso | well it'll cause it to wait a while before it reaches threashold again i think.. |
| 02:01.11 | Kaso | but not really a problem |
| 02:01.12 | cogwheel | that's because it didn't exist until lua 5.1 |
| 02:01.28 | cogwheel | which wow incorporated in 2.0 |
| 02:01.31 | Drundia | is it real one out there now? |
| 02:01.37 | Drundia | since it was there since like 2.1 |
| 02:02.15 | Drundia | hmmm, so until lua 5.1 you could only do full cycle of gc? |
| 02:02.21 | cogwheel | it always used it but they did some fine tuning early on |
| 02:02.35 | cogwheel | so it did go through changes in the early 2.x patches |
| 02:03.45 | Drundia | from what i remember until 2.1 it created garbage until reached addon memory cap and then collected it all. could cause some nasty lag if there were megabytes to collect. |
| 02:03.54 | Drundia | 10s megabytes even |
| 02:04.03 | Marroc | Drundia: yep |
| 02:04.13 | Marroc | was fun when auctioneer ran for a while |
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| 02:04.59 | Shirik | you can tweak the GC if you notice issues |
| 02:05.02 | Drundia | i even remember making some basic macros for partial garbage collection |
| 02:05.02 | Shirik | but again, that's a bad idea |
| 02:05.07 | Shirik | (in WoW |
| 02:05.12 | Drundia | so it doesn't collect it all at once causing lag |
| 02:05.12 | Shirik | in general usage it's a good idea) |
| 02:05.49 | Marroc | Well isn't it that also the reason fubar_perforamancefu has a "click to collect garbage" function (left over feature from pre-2.1) |
| 02:05.57 | Marroc | *performance |
| 02:06.20 | Shirik | I think that mostly just exists because it's possible |
| 02:06.27 | Shirik | but yes it did exist pre-2.1 |
| 02:06.30 | cogwheel | Drundia: oh that's sort of a separate issue to the gc thing. The memory limit was artifically imposed by wow and really had nothing to do with Lua itself |
| 02:07.05 | Drundia | so gc worked in background, but at memory limit it forced full cycle? |
| 02:07.26 | cogwheel | It's not that wow wasn't using the incremental collector, it just was increasing its threshhold so quickly that addons could reach the memory limit even though up to half was garbage |
| 02:08.17 | cogwheel | basically, it waits until total memory used hits a certain percentage increase from the previous cycle |
| 02:08.38 | cogwheel | it was set to double |
| 02:08.49 | Drundia | i see |
| 02:09.03 | Drundia | that means cap should have been well higher for incremental gc to actually work |
| 02:09.21 | Drundia | hehehe |
| 02:09.31 | cogwheel | so if mem limit was set to 32 and your addons used up 16, the threshhold would be beyond the limit and it would do a panic GC |
| 02:09.54 | Drundia | so the theory that it didn't really work pre-2.1 is quite correct :) |
| 02:10.00 | cogwheel | yep |
| 02:10.16 | cogwheel | but at no fault of the GC system |
| 02:10.27 | cogwheel | since the limit was artificial |
| 02:10.40 | Drundia | what are the current settings? |
| 02:10.50 | cogwheel | 10% increase |
| 02:10.59 | cogwheel | iirc |
| 02:11.34 | Shirik | I believe that's correct |
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| 02:13.49 | Drundia | and how comes i never had an addon pre-2.1 that would make GC more aggressive... |
| 02:14.01 | cogwheel | you didn't look hard enough? ;) |
| 02:14.16 | Drundia | most likely |
| 02:14.17 | cogwheel | clad|sleep made a post about it |
| 02:14.29 | Drundia | how comes i didn't make it more aggressive myself.... |
| 02:14.38 | Shirik | it was a nice little addon |
| 02:16.18 | Drundia | until 2.0 it wouldn't work either.... |
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| 02:18.58 | Shirik | I love this |
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| 02:19.15 | Shirik | from the system the SCHOOL PROVIDES AND MAINTAINS, I get an email, and at the top: " External content has been blocked to prevent the sender from identifying your personal information." |
| 02:19.26 | Shirik | The sender is FROM THE SCHOOL |
| 02:19.39 | Shirik | They have direct access to my transcript, everything |
| 02:19.41 | Shirik | what else do you want >< |
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| 02:20.22 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 02:23.13 | Gilial_ | Congratulations!! >>INSERT SCHOOL ADMINISTRATION HERE<< has enrolled in our MindProbe program! Your thoughts are now the property of >>INSERT SCHOOL ADMINISTRATION HERE<<. Compliance is compulsory, just like your attendance. Enjoy your newfound security! :) |
| 02:25.30 | Shirik | .... |
| 02:25.34 | Gilial_ | :) |
| 02:25.38 | Shirik | I also got an email from career services, marked "urgent" |
| 02:25.55 | Shirik | I assumed it had something to do with the paperwork associating my internship to school credits |
| 02:26.09 | Shirik | Instead it's |
| 02:26.24 | Shirik | In order to ensure that you are receiving excellent customer service from the Career Services Office, we need your help. |
| 02:26.25 | Shirik | Please take a moment to fill out our Satisfaction Survey regarding the assistance you received last week from the Career Services Office: |
| 02:26.32 | Lopeppeppy | Hilarious. |
| 02:27.34 | Marroc | The question that begs to be asked on the first one is whether or not the originating server is actually a school ip or not (return address could have been spoofed :P) |
| 02:27.54 | Shirik | true Marroc, but we would hope an internal system can determine that |
| 02:27.59 | Marroc | lol |
| 02:28.05 | Marroc | I would hope so too... |
| 02:28.10 | Shirik | but then again |
| 02:28.23 | Shirik | I'm the guy whom kicked IT out of one of our labs a year ago (and they're still not allowed to touch those computers) |
| 02:30.56 | Shirik | yay, my order has been shipped from verizon :D |
| 02:31.03 | Shirik | my days of dialup are nearly over |
| 02:31.17 | Shirik | now let's see how long it will take me to load the fedex tracking page |
| 02:32.51 | Shirik | oh crap |
| 02:32.54 | Shirik | they tried to deliver it today |
| 02:34.02 | hi11ie | k this is weird.. I have a chat filter using the function shown here: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/87361 |
| 02:35.31 | Marroc | ... and? |
| 02:35.35 | hi11ie | it looks for certain words in chat and makes them white.. then adds the word to the LastTellTarget and does the whisper ching sound. when I change it to LiCe:function and wrap it in the filter add function like I did for slashcmdlist everything works except it doesn't change the word to white. no errors.. |
| 02:35.43 | hi11ie | just doesn't change the color of the text |
| 02:37.17 | Marroc | shot in the dark... but try string.gsub instead of just gsub |
| 02:38.43 | Marroc | also indent your code... lord that's hard to follow :P |
| 02:39.23 | hi11ie | heh. if you look at the bottom in the editbox it's indented |
| 02:39.41 | Marroc | so it is :P |
| 02:40.27 | dylanm | Gotta pick a language. |
| 02:40.46 | hi11ie | Marroc: dunno why it doesn't indent it up at the top |
| 02:40.59 | Marroc | dylanm answered that :P |
| 02:41.07 | Marroc | you didn't select lua when you put it up initially ^_^ |
| 02:41.43 | hi11ie | Marroc: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/87364 |
| 02:41.44 | hi11ie | :) |
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| 02:41.53 | hi11ie | i see |
| 02:42.07 | cogwheel | Marroc: wow.exe: offset 0x004970D4 http://wowi.pastey.net/87363 |
| 02:42.23 | cogwheel | ;) |
| 02:42.29 | hi11ie | pastey's pretty cool |
| 02:42.40 | Marroc | hi11ie: yes yes it is :P |
| 02:43.15 | Marroc | cogwheel: this is what i get for coming from a background of always supplying namespaces/classes when calling things :P |
| 02:43.18 | Unregistered | just updated khaos and no longer have minimap button to acces khoas/cosmos options, anyclue how to get it back? |
| 02:43.34 | cogwheel | hehe |
| 02:44.01 | cogwheel | this is the whole section http://wowi.pastey.net/87365 |
| 02:44.38 | KarlKFI | Unregistered: it's ont he side of the screen in a yellow slide bar |
| 02:44.56 | Marroc | cogwheel: well that's handy. Thanks :P |
| 02:45.29 | Unregistered | ah, thx, |
| 02:45.38 | hi11ie | Marroc: the string.gsub doesn't fix the problem when I make it defined with : and called with : instead of . |
| 02:45.44 | Unregistered | had that hidden, didnt use enchanix |
| 02:46.21 | Marroc | hi11ie: what are you changing it to out of curiosity, cause the code looks fine. |
| 02:46.36 | Marroc | and not getting any error is weird |
| 02:47.00 | hi11ie | well i change the . to : in the function definition, then instead of calling it this way: |
| 02:47.16 | hi11ie | ChatFrame_AddMessageEventFilter("CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL", LiCe.AutoReplyFilter); |
| 02:47.22 | hi11ie | i call it like this: |
| 02:47.31 | hi11ie | ChatFrame_AddMessageEventFilter("CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL", function(msg) LiCe:AutoReplyFilter(msg); end); |
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| 02:48.23 | hi11ie | which is how kaso told me to get around the issue that table:function has with SlashCmdList and other things |
| 02:50.05 | Marroc | thats odd... simply changing how its called shouldn't cause one part of it to randomly stop working like that |
| 02:50.48 | Marroc | oh you know what it might be... your wrapper function isn't returning anything |
| 02:51.48 | Marroc | try ChatFrame_AddMessageEventFilter("CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL",function(msg) return LiCe:AutoReplyFilter(msg); end) |
| 02:57.32 | hi11ie | err: '=' expected near 'LiCe' |
| 02:59.01 | Shirik | I think you typed it wrong |
| 02:59.12 | Shirik | >>? ChatFrame_AddMessageEventFilter("CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL",function(msg) return LiCe:AutoReplyFilter(msg); end) |
| 02:59.17 | Shirik | damn it Cide's not here |
| 02:59.21 | Shirik | --> ChatFrame_AddMessageEventFilter("CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL",function(msg) return LiCe:AutoReplyFilter(msg); end) |
| 02:59.21 | batbot | Shirik: @ [string "return ChatFrame_AddMessageEventFilter("CH..."]:1: attempt to call global 'ChatFrame_AddMessageEventFilter' (a nil value) |
| 02:59.26 | Shirik | yeah, it compiles fine |
| 03:00.34 | Marroc | hi11ie: I'm almost positive your original error is because the wrapper function returns void rather than the expected bool, string. So as Shirik said, check your code and make sure you typed it right :P |
| 03:01.02 | Shirik | even if it returned "void" (doesn't exist in Lua, but whatever), it wouldn't matter because Lua does not declare return types |
| 03:01.12 | Shirik | as such, it would simply return whatever AutoReplyFilter returned, including nothing |
| 03:01.26 | Shirik | it can't produce that error |
| 03:02.06 | Marroc | right but AddMessageEventFilter expects a boolean as to whether to discard the line or not and then a string to replace it with. If his wrapper function didn't supply the string then the line would not be changed, thus causing his issue of the text not turning white (but only when calling it from a wrapper function) |
| 03:02.23 | Shirik | ah yes it would potentially cause his issue |
| 03:02.30 | Shirik | but it wouldn't cause that error he quoted :P |
| 03:02.37 | Shirik | (22:57:31) (hi11ie) err: '=' expected near 'LiCe' |
| 03:02.41 | Marroc | right |
| 03:02.46 | Marroc | i was talking about his original error |
| 03:02.50 | Marroc | which was the text not turning white |
| 03:03.04 | Marroc | the err: '=' expected near 'LiCe' is probably a mistype on his end :P |
| 03:04.48 | hi11ie | yea i had a typo on the last one |
| 03:04.53 | hi11ie | it works now |
| 03:04.59 | Marroc | there you go ^_^ |
| 03:06.01 | hi11ie | I also originally wanted to change the person's name in the msg display to white, but then i realized msg only contains the msg.. not the entire line. Is there any -good- way to do that? |
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| 03:10.43 | Marroc | not really sure, haven't really looked at the chat frame functions in depth, but you could take a look and try and see how something like Prat does it and work it out from there |
| 03:11.51 | hi11ie | i know the chat timestamp addons have to do it, but i only want certain types of chat to trigger it, not all text on the screen. |
| 03:13.56 | Marroc | dunno i don't have enough expertise to really point you in a better direction than that. Sorry >_< |
| 03:14.10 | Shirik | you would need to hook the event handler |
| 03:14.50 | Shirik | you need to search through ChatFrame.lua to find out where it calls AddMessage from a chat event, and override that function with whatever you want to do |
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| 03:17.29 | hi11ie | yea it may be too much trouble for such a small thing. |
| 03:18.34 | Marroc | all the actual chat commands are about half way through that file if memory serves... keep scrolling :P |
| 03:18.56 | hi11ie | Marroc: i've looked through most of that file |
| 03:19.38 | hi11ie | it's how i found out about LastTargetTell. |
| 03:20.17 | hi11ie | i'm just thinking the only way to do this specific thing might be a really bad hack |
| 03:20.50 | hi11ie | s/the/that maybe the/ |
| 03:22.51 | Shirik | it's not really a hack |
| 03:22.56 | Shirik | it's hooking, and fairly typical |
| 03:23.18 | Shirik | there are even functions designed to help you with it. hooksecurefunc(), frame:HookScript(), |
| 03:23.27 | hi11ie | Shirik: i don't mean hooking. just.. what i have now already does 90% of what i want. |
| 03:23.41 | Shirik | so only change the minor part that you need :) |
| 03:23.52 | Shirik | I mean hell, you can even hook ChatFrame1.AddMessage if you want |
| 03:23.53 | hi11ie | Shirik: like if i hook the AddMessage stuff, it prolly won't have the whole arg2 = the person who sent the msg, etc. |
| 03:24.17 | Shirik | you can do it in one of two places: Either in AddMessage or in the chat event |
| 03:24.22 | hi11ie | which I add to the lasttargettell, which is more important than making their name white. |
| 03:24.42 | Shirik | if you do the chat event, then just check your condition first, and if it fails then pass it off to the original one |
| 03:24.59 | Shirik | if you do it in AddMessage, use a Lua pattern to figure out whether or not you need to adjust |
| 03:25.03 | Gilial_ | Awh..It doesn't look like tinsert triggers the __newindex metamethod :( |
| 03:25.14 | Shirik | tinsert uses rawset I believe |
| 03:25.29 | hi11ie | Shirik: what do you mean? |
| 03:25.48 | Shirik | lua> t = setmetatable({}, {__newindex = print}); table.insert(t, 1); print("DONE"); pp(t) |
| 03:25.49 | lua_bot | Shirik: DONE, { 1 } (#1) |
| 03:26.05 | hi11ie | but yea so when i said hack i meant the process if somehow communicating between two different events or something. if i ended up having to do that, that is |
| 03:26.39 | Shirik | huh? |
| 03:26.50 | art3mis | kergoth can you kick shirik too? |
| 03:26.51 | hi11ie | kergoth: got rid of sometihng good? |
| 03:27.07 | *** kick/#wowuidev [art3mis!i=nospam@conspiracy/developer/Shirik] by Shirik (bye) |
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| 03:27.24 | art3mis | i meant in the shins assclown ;) |
| 03:27.40 | Shirik | :P |
| 03:27.57 | art3mis | oh and it was a toss up between assclown and fuckmook ;) |
| 03:28.05 | art3mis | both are grat ;) |
| 03:28.10 | art3mis | they're offensive yet funny |
| 03:28.35 | Shirik | seriously, hockey is like the only sport in which there's always a fight |
| 03:28.53 | hi11ie | Shirik: boxing? :) |
| 03:29.12 | Shirik | s/fight/fight that isn't legal/ |
| 03:29.15 | Marroc | art3mis: nothing beats cockpocket |
| 03:29.39 | hi11ie | cuntsniffer |
| 03:30.12 | Shirik | -_- |
| 03:30.17 | Shirik | ok enough children >< |
| 03:30.31 | Gilial_ | Toasterdick? ..Although I'm not 100% sure what it means.. |
| 03:31.33 | Shirik | Hm, I like this meeting someone scheduled with me at work |
| 03:31.38 | hi11ie | i've never been 100% sure what assclown means |
| 03:31.53 | Shirik | They came and told me about it, so I knew about it already, but I was wondering why it didn't appear on Lotus |
| 03:32.01 | Shirik | I just found it.... somehow they managed to send it to my school email |
| 03:32.05 | Shirik | wtf? |
| 03:32.45 | Gilial_ | It's always a little creepy when you get emails at an address that you didn't give out. |
| 03:33.15 | Shirik | like, the email isn't even an email |
| 03:33.27 | Shirik | it's a bunch of random attachments which I assume have the details but are completely unreadable because they're lotus data |
| 03:33.39 | Shirik | how is this even possible >< |
| 03:33.59 | Shirik | anyway, I must be off to sleep |
| 03:34.00 | Shirik | night! |
| 03:34.01 | Gilial_ | Monkies in the source code. |
| 03:34.41 | Gilial_ | s/the source code/your dreams |
| 03:35.24 | Gilial_ | Oh sure, it works for you guys. This is racism. |
| 03:36.57 | Marroc | LOL |
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| 03:59.24 | cogwheel | look what you did |
| 03:59.45 | Fisker- | i'm proud |
| 03:59.58 | cogwheel | srsly |
| 04:00.04 | cogwheel | ++ Fisker- |
| 04:00.06 | cogwheel | :P |
| 04:00.20 | Sixen | Anyone know what internship position Guillotine got? :/. |
| 04:00.29 | Guillotine | Sixen: UI |
| 04:00.40 | Sixen | Oh, hai2u. |
| 04:00.43 | Sixen | Congrats by the way. |
| 04:00.45 | Guillotine | hai ther |
| 04:00.47 | Guillotine | thanks :) |
| 04:00.58 | Sixen | So, you're like... intern Slouken? |
| 04:01.08 | Sixen | Just trying to understand the position, =P. |
| 04:02.14 | NightHawkTheSane | nah, he gets coffee for slouken. ;) |
| 04:02.20 | Iriel | slouken isn't 'UI', he just loves us 8-) |
| 04:02.38 | Sixen | Heh, I see.. |
| 04:02.45 | Sixen | So, what is Slou? A programmer? |
| 04:02.49 | Cairenn | aye |
| 04:02.56 | Sixen | So then what is a "UI Internship?" |
| 04:02.58 | Cairenn | guil is intern widger |
| 04:03.12 | Fisker- | Guillotine is my operative inside Blizzard |
| 04:03.14 | cogwheel | heh. glad to see they're willing to try someone fresh... |
| 04:03.39 | Guillotine | I'm mini Zoot |
| 04:03.55 | cogwheel | irl |
| 04:04.18 | Sixen | Lawl@Cog... |
| 04:04.20 | cogwheel | you're pretty much mini-everyone though :P |
| 04:04.22 | Sixen | And I see. What exactly is Zoot? |
| 04:04.24 | Guillotine | Hmm, a mini gnome |
| 04:04.53 | Guillotine | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/search.html?stationId=1&forumId=11114&searchText=&characterName=Zootfizzle&recentPosts=0&x=0&y=0 |
| 04:04.55 | cogwheel | Sixen: he's the one who got the first spot of http://www.blizzard.com/us/jobopp/software-engineer-user-interface.html |
| 04:05.31 | Sixen | Ah, I was unaware there was an actual UI Engineer position. |
| 04:06.00 | Sixen | That being said, is there a list of Interships available? Or is that just on the JobOpp page? |
| 04:06.36 | Guillotine | This is the first trying of it, the information was given to local Unis |
| 04:06.41 | Fisker- | you have to provide sexual favors |
| 04:06.42 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 04:06.48 | Fisker- | i disagree with Guillotine |
| 04:06.52 | Cairenn | to Guillotine's comment, not Fisker-'s |
| 04:06.57 | Guillotine | lol |
| 04:06.58 | Sixen | Yes, there's that College RElations program, is that what this is? |
| 04:07.16 | cogwheel | not that Cairenn has anything against sexual favors ;) |
| 04:07.27 | Sixen | Lol |
| 04:09.32 | Fisker- | ITS RAINING SIDEWAYS |
| 04:09.37 | Sixen | sexy |
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| 04:10.22 | ScytheBlade1 | So Guillotine, how many NDAs do you think you'll have to sign? ;) |
| 04:10.31 | Guillotine | OVER NINE THOUSAND |
| 04:10.54 | ScytheBlade1 | haha. I'd believe it |
| 04:11.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Either that or they'll just keep you entirely in the dark |
| 04:11.11 | cogwheel | he wouldn't be able to tell you |
| 04:11.12 | cogwheel | :P |
| 04:11.26 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:11.26 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah |
| 04:12.22 | Fisker- | well they also said that not many Blizzard employees actually knew about starcraft 2 |
| 04:12.38 | art3mis | rumor has it the world is flat too |
| 04:12.38 | Fisker- | because of teh SEKRITS |
| 04:12.40 | Sixen | There's an NDA about not talking about how many NDA's he's signed. |
| 04:12.43 | Sixen | And he has to sign that too. |
| 04:12.44 | Fisker- | your mother art3mis |
| 04:12.54 | art3mis | nah my mom has a rack |
| 04:12.59 | art3mis | you should know that |
| 04:13.05 | art3mis | unless yer lying about always banging her |
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| 04:13.47 | [Liq] | Hi everyone :-) |
| 04:14.47 | Fisker- | [06:13:28] * [Liq] (n=denras19@fw-tk-1.ruc.dk) has joined #WoWUIDev |
| 04:14.48 | Fisker- | [06:13:40] <[Liq]> Hi everyone :-) |
| 04:14.52 | Fisker- | i wouldn't count on it |
| 04:15.41 | Fisker- | i need to play world of warcraft :( |
| 04:19.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Know what is sad times? |
| 04:19.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Dragonhawk with zero AoE |
| 04:19.17 | ScytheBlade1 | And two groups of melee |
| 04:20.36 | Corrodias | know what i did today instead of raid? i had a nap. |
| 04:21.26 | ScytheBlade1 | That sounds... incredibly awesome |
| 04:22.48 | Corrodias | it was. i had two odd dreams. |
| 04:25.57 | art3mis | did you lose a dkp bid? |
| 04:26.04 | art3mis | or solo a raid boss? |
| 04:27.00 | Tem | ScytheBlade1, the last time I did dragonhawk we didn't have any aoe either |
| 04:27.05 | Tem | a hunter did all the work |
| 04:27.13 | Tem | I just stood in a corner and tanked them |
| 04:27.46 | Tem | just have to know when to kill the guy so he doesn't spawn so many that you can't handle it |
| 04:28.07 | ScytheBlade1 | The bigger problem was that we had a retarded healer who liked to stand on the grenades |
| 04:28.30 | Tem | *sigh* |
| 04:28.37 | Tem | it's not like they're hard to avoid |
| 04:28.41 | ScytheBlade1 | srs |
| 04:28.46 | Tem | stick your camera above you and BAM problem solved |
| 04:29.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Three healers, resto druid, resto druid, resto shaman |
| 04:29.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Mr. Problem was the shaman |
| 04:29.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Who was also ~15-20% below me |
| 04:29.41 | art3mis | you get bonus points for standig on the grenades though |
| 04:29.46 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:29.50 | ScytheBlade1 | That explains everything! |
| 04:29.55 | End | I'm really bad avoiding them if I stick my camera above me o_O |
| 04:29.56 | art3mis | oly us priests kow that |
| 04:30.07 | End | Fortunately, I'm good at avoiding them when my camera is in the normal position |
| 04:30.18 | End | (Yeah, I'm weird) |
| 04:31.00 | ScytheBlade1 | I have quite honestly never hit a grenade not once ever |
| 04:31.08 | ScytheBlade1 | As a mage and a resto druid |
| 04:31.25 | Tem | as a mage or feral drood, I've never hit one either |
| 04:31.27 | ScytheBlade1 | YOU HAVE TO STAND ON TOP OF THEM FOR THEM TO HURT YOU |
| 04:31.33 | ScytheBlade1 | HOW DO YOU TAKE DAMAGE FROM THAT? |
| 04:31.53 | ScytheBlade1 | 1) Don't stand on the fire |
| 04:31.55 | ScytheBlade1 | 2) Repeat |
| 04:32.02 | ScytheBlade1 | 3) Win |
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| 04:34.53 | Tem | also, :( no rings for you guys |
| 04:35.01 | Tem | unless it was a really fast wipe? |
| 04:35.38 | ScytheBlade1 | We lost the chest earlier |
| 04:35.43 | ScytheBlade1 | We only got one due to random stupid crap |
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| 04:38.22 | art3mis | see look fisker you made seerah leave |
| 04:38.26 | art3mis | way to go jerk |
| 04:38.47 | art3mis | now whos tits am i gonna use as a pillow to lean againxt while i listen to yur prattle\ |
| 04:38.58 | Zootfizzle | @_@ |
| 04:39.15 | art3mis | thanks zoot but yuor "tits" just arent as nice |
| 04:39.23 | Zootfizzle | ._. |
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| 04:39.35 | ScytheBlade1 | what |
| 04:39.38 | ScytheBlade1 | the |
| 04:39.40 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 04:40.18 | Fisker- | yay art3mis |
| 04:41.19 | art3mis | welp bedtime! |
| 04:44.29 | Tem | I just lost The Game |
| 04:48.11 | Sixen | Aw. |
| 04:48.14 | Sixen | That means I lost it too. |
| 04:48.25 | Tem | blame cog |
| 04:49.56 | Fisker- | cogwheel ! |
| 04:50.08 | Fisker- | i want you screwed onto me |
| 04:56.51 | Guillotine | damn you Tem, now I lost |
| 04:56.59 | Tem | blame cog |
| 05:09.49 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
| 05:09.49 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6286732941&sid=1 |
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| 05:14.35 | Mike-N-Go | ~seen Funkydude |
| 05:14.37 | purl | Mike-N-Go: i haven't seen 'funkydude' |
| 05:15.15 | Funkeh` | Mike-N-Go, hi |
| 05:15.29 | Mike-N-Go | Funkeh`: Yes? |
| 05:15.47 | Funkeh` | ... |
| 05:16.04 | Mike-N-Go | Are you the one who made BadBoy? |
| 05:16.09 | Funkeh` | yup |
| 05:16.24 | Mike-N-Go | Well, there is a spam that made it through the filter. |
| 05:16.45 | Mike-N-Go | What information may I give you to add it to your list? I have a screenshot of said spam. |
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| 05:17.06 | Funkeh` | Mike-N-Go, pm me the link |
| 05:17.14 | Funkeh` | irc pm |
| 05:19.05 | Mike-N-Go | Where may I post you said screen shot? |
| 05:19.49 | Funkeh` | Mike-N-Go, um, just use imageshack.tinypic or something |
| 05:28.12 | Guillotine | nooo, esolangs wiki is down :( |
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| 05:59.17 | Guillotine | You know something is up with the world when these are all four ads on ratemyprofessors.com : http://guill.appspot.com/WeirdAd.jpg |
| 06:00.22 | MentalPower | erm... wow... |
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| 06:18.29 | Wraanger | heyaz |
| 06:19.38 | Guillotine | Wraanger: hai |
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| 08:21.52 | Nom- | lol i worked out why the Mac Pro's are so expensive |
| 08:22.09 | Tem | and? |
| 08:22.13 | Nom- | They're using the Intel 5000X chipset... I can't find a board with that chipset below the $1000 price mark |
| 08:22.21 | Tem | aw |
| 08:22.28 | Tem | I was hoping for a good steve jobs joke |
| 08:22.37 | Nom- | Sorry to dissapoint |
| 08:22.41 | Nom- | It's a serious reason :P |
| 08:23.13 | Nom- | then there's the quad core xeons themselves which are pretty close to the $1000 mark each |
| 08:23.33 | Nom- | There's the $4000 price mark after you add in memory which you pay through the nose for to |
| 08:24.07 | Nom- | Now if only they would realise that the average person doesn't need an Intel Xeon server board with ECC registerd memory, and give us something in the middle *sigh* |
| 08:24.41 | Matrix110 | why fanbois buy it :P |
| 08:25.04 | durcyn | he's right though, i shouldn't have to buy a macbook pro to get a midrange mac |
| 08:25.12 | Matrix110 | and its not like Apple fainbois turn around every coin considering they always pay atleast 50% to much :P |
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| 08:25.39 | Nom- | I'd consider an iMac except there's zero upgrade path |
| 08:25.41 | Nom- | Which really sucks |
| 08:26.06 | durcyn | suppose they're just protecting their margins on the mac pros |
| 08:26.16 | durcyn | since most of their money is made on ridiculous hardware markup |
| 08:27.01 | Nom- | Well, actually I worekd that out too |
| 08:27.12 | Nom- | The hardware they use in the iMac's is basically laptop hardware |
| 08:27.20 | Nom- | So you're buying a laptop in the form of an LCD monitor |
| 08:27.46 | Nom- | When you consider the iMacs are really laptops, the prices aren't quite as insane |
| 08:28.09 | Matrix110 | not to mention they use shit TN Panels now instead of the the before great VA or IPS whatever it was PAnels :P |
| 08:28.59 | Matrix110 | (but advertise they got better hardware inside) |
| 08:30.18 | Nom- | my point is further confirmed by the video card they use |
| 08:30.28 | Nom- | ATI Radeon HD 2400 XT <-- mobility chiptset |
| 08:30.31 | Matrix110 | well you know its made out of gold! |
| 08:30.55 | Nom- | They left out the main word from ATI's product description |
| 08:30.55 | Nom- | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:30.56 | Nom- | ATI Mobility Radeon. HD 2400 XT |
| 08:31.26 | Nom- | Don't get me wrong, it's a nice card |
| 08:31.36 | Matrix110 | you can actually buy HD 2400 XTs |
| 08:31.36 | Nom- | But still |
| 08:31.36 | Matrix110 | http://www.hartware.de/media/reviews/720/intro.jpg |
| 08:31.38 | Matrix110 | :P |
| 08:31.48 | Nom- | Yeah, I know, but they were build for the portable market |
| 08:32.11 | Nom- | Unlike say a GeForce 9800 which was built to go in a machine with a lot of airflow so they don't abke |
| 08:32.14 | Nom- | *bake |
| 08:32.54 | Nom- | It's so painful tho... I actually *want* to run Mac OS, but I don't want the hardware |
| 08:32.57 | Matrix110 | they were built for office PCs and idiots buying them because they are sold with 512MB ram :P |
| 08:33.07 | Matrix110 | Nom- OpenPC! |
| 08:33.20 | durcyn | yeah, THAT's not a lawsuit right there |
| 08:33.36 | Nom- | lol true |
| 08:34.06 | durcyn | poor bastards are propbably papering their floors with all the cease and desist letters |
| 08:34.12 | Nom- | I've actually got a copy of leopard sitting next to my PC |
| 08:34.23 | Nom- | If I could find some way to modify the ISO so it would work on my PC i'd do it right now |
| 08:34.28 | Matrix110 | well its just a matter of time until Apple has to open their system anyway :P |
| 08:34.35 | Nom- | I've been trying with downloaded ISO's the last few days in VMware, but no luck so far |
| 08:34.49 | durcyn | Matrix110: their business model precludes it |
| 08:35.05 | durcyn | despite charging $130 for osx, that's not where the money comes from |
| 08:35.21 | Matrix110 | durcyn I know that Apple wants it but I think Microsoft WANTS to bundle their Media Player with their OS aswell :P |
| 08:35.47 | durcyn | what the hell nonsensical angle are you on |
| 08:35.48 | Nom- | I think Apple will eventually |
| 08:35.57 | Nom- | Otherwise there will be a whole black market of apples like there was a few years back |
| 08:35.58 | Matrix110 | Guess the lawsuit when MS says its running on AMD CPUs now |
| 08:36.02 | Matrix110 | *only |
| 08:36.08 | Nom- | The Mac clones which were subpar in every way to the real things |
| 08:36.45 | Nom- | MacOS has already been successfuly hacked to run on an AMD CPU |
| 08:36.48 | Matrix110 | And Apple seemed to realise that if they dont change their CPU again to a totally incompatible architecture they get problems soon :D |
| 08:37.15 | Nom- | I don't think customers will accept a move away from the standard intel architecture again |
| 08:37.32 | Matrix110 | Apple fanbois praise everything Apple does |
| 08:37.35 | durcyn | you're missing the point. apple will never license osx to run on non-apple hardware |
| 08:37.44 | Nom- | The fact they can open their box and replace components with bits from the local computer stores for the first time in years means the lifetime of the average mac has been extended significantly |
| 08:37.46 | durcyn | because non-apple hardware doesn't pay them as much |
| 08:38.20 | Matrix110 | durcyn the point is not what Apple wants, its about what they get enforced to sometime :P |
| 08:38.21 | durcyn | so fringe cases of people modifying it for use on commodity hardware is all well and good, but it doesn't shift stock on store shelves |
| 08:38.29 | durcyn | enforced? now you're talking bollocks |
| 08:39.21 | Nom- | We'll see ... |
| 08:39.22 | Matrix110 | Not really, its just a matter of time and how much popularity Macs gain |
| 08:39.38 | Nom- | You never know what's going to happen ... |
| 08:40.00 | Nom- | Take me for example... back before MacOS was ported to Intel hardware, I would never have considered buying a Mac |
| 08:40.16 | Nom- | Now with VMware Fusion, the only thing stopping me is the value for money thing |
| 08:40.34 | Nom- | I don't want an iMac because it's not good value for money... I realise why it's expensive, but it's not good value for money in my mind |
| 08:40.41 | Nom- | Same with the Mac Pro |
| 08:40.57 | Nom- | There's potentially a much bigger market if Apple does one of two things: |
| 08:41.03 | Nom- | 1. Opens MacOS to non-apple hardware |
| 08:41.12 | Matrix110 | The only thing difference between a normal Desktop Core 2 Duo and a Mac is the Bios used pretty much.... |
| 08:41.20 | nevcairiel | didnt they kinda do that with the x86-macs? |
| 08:41.33 | Nom- | 2. Releases a much wider range of hardware |
| 08:41.57 | Nom- | The Mac Pro hardware is amazing, but the average consumer doesn't need it |
| 08:42.15 | nevcairiel | they just want a high standard to go with the name Mac :) |
| 08:42.17 | Nom- | I don't consider myself an average consumer either though, so i'm suck in the middle... I need something > iMac but < Mac Pro |
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| 10:34.52 | Kaso | So mass effect, spore having securrom, this is great ! >.< |
| 10:41.35 | Elkano | better then having StarForce ;) |
| 10:46.02 | Kaso | Barely, the way what this developer is saying is the securrom is going to re-authenticate over the internet every 10 days, forever |
| 10:46.27 | Kaso | well until they stop supporting the servers one day and our games are unplayable! yay |
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| 10:49.21 | Kalroth | Kaso: Or until someone develops a local authentication server for the game |
| 10:49.29 | Kalroth | Or until the silly check is entirely removed |
| 10:49.49 | Kaso | well true this is the thing, the only people DRM doesnt hurt is those who pirate the games |
| 10:49.50 | Elkano | even WC3 lost his CD protection by patch by now :) |
| 10:53.22 | Zyuu | Nothing wrong with that |
| 10:53.31 | Zyuu | once every 10 days is no big deal, don't see the fuss about it :) |
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| 10:53.48 | Zyuu | Besides, if Spore will be as good as I think it will be.. |
| 10:53.54 | Zyuu | I will buy it simply to support the developers |
| 10:54.12 | Zyuu | Sadly there's so much pirating these days :( |
| 10:54.48 | Kaso | they are both games i want own, and would happily buy, but to be honest this DRM crazyness is making me want to get pirate copies. |
| 10:55.09 | Zyuu | should put all games on steam |
| 10:55.55 | Kaso | requiring you, the paying customer to jump through hoops every 10 days is not on in my opinion, if i purchess a product i should not be treated like a criminal for using it. I bought it, i want to use it how i want |
| 10:56.07 | Kaso | that includes places where i cant get internet connection |
| 10:57.28 | Zyuu | there's still such places? |
| 10:57.46 | Zyuu | I agree with the every 10 day |
| 10:57.52 | Zyuu | but internet is a necessity these days =P |
| 10:58.12 | Zyuu | besides, it's illegal to use the pirate copies, so that should be incentive enough.. but we all know it isn't |
| 10:58.27 | durcyn | it's not illegal to use the pirate copies |
| 10:58.36 | Kaso | well in US it prob is under the DCMA |
| 10:58.36 | durcyn | you're confusing civil law with criminal law |
| 10:58.39 | Kaso | but not here in UK |
| 10:58.53 | Kaso | DDMCA |
| 10:58.54 | Kaso | DMCA |
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| 11:00.37 | Kaso | "No person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under [the DMCA]" |
| 11:01.52 | Mikk | I buy games and get cracked copies that don't whinge at me when I don't have the CD in the tray. |
| 11:02.00 | Mikk | I hate having my CD spinning. |
| 11:02.28 | Mikk | I also hate having to go dig for CDs >.< |
| 11:04.07 | Drundia | they should buy us new drives that break for spinning CDs too much |
| 11:08.00 | Drundia | many couintries also allow you to make backup copies and that "technological measure" essentially prevents it |
| 11:08.47 | Kaso | the dmca is silly |
| 11:11.44 | art3mis | well that makes me sad |
| 11:11.53 | art3mis | apperantly my chalk board isnt magical |
| 11:11.57 | Drundia | and all that technological measure is getting cracked asap anyway |
| 11:12.06 | art3mis | i wrote clean house on it and it wasnt clean when i wok up |
| 11:12.10 | art3mis | woke |
| 11:13.15 | art3mis | but it did work on the weekend when i wrote laundry and my clothes were maically cleaned by some force |
| 11:14.43 | art3mis | and ts illegal to circumvent the protection, not use the program if it was already cracked ;) |
| 11:15.20 | art3mis | the main problem that piracy sees is that retards sell it and even bigger retards buy it |
| 11:15.27 | art3mis | sorta like drugs ;) |
| 11:17.06 | art3mis | if more companies offered full trials of thier software it would engage more people to actually purchase a product that was useful to them and di what they needed, as it stands you either get a cripple trial or no trial at all thus making you seek out warez versions of software before dropping the crazy prices associated with it to find out it doesnt work |
| 11:17.42 | art3mis | particularly with those softwares that make claims and then will only give you a copy if a sale person gets your info |
| 11:18.01 | art3mis | which again is rather intrusive sice you're just looking at the moment and dont need a sales call |
| 11:18.08 | art3mis | or to give them yuor information |
| 11:18.33 | art3mis | which im sure they'd realize if walmart and car dealerships and best buy and the like forced them to give up thier details everytime they entered the store |
| 11:19.16 | art3mis | wanna browse cost co, fill out this form please |
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| 11:23.41 | art3mis | what software tries to get away with is almost akin to going to a book store and finding every book wrapped in plastic and your only guide to what the book is would be the back of the book's summation of it and being expected to pay 35+ per book on all books to fid out if its what you wanted to read or not |
| 11:25.31 | art3mis | heh guess which side of the fence i am on piracy ;) |
| 11:25.40 | art3mis | for piracy |
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| 11:28.12 | art3mis | speaking of intrusive btw http://www.rlslog.net/mcafee-launches-yahoo-secure-search/ |
| 11:30.16 | Mikk | how's that intrusive |
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| 11:48.21 | cncfanatics | yo al |
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| 12:35.28 | krka | cladhaire nice post |
| 12:35.50 | cladhaire | I'm rather disappointed with the response on the mailing list =/ |
| 12:36.12 | cladhaire | especially considering one of the first responses was "lets be constructive" |
| 12:36.50 | Saint-N | you didnt supply enough construction paper in the book |
| 12:37.06 | Saint-N | you should have added a orgami section on how to make orgami boulders |
| 12:38.35 | cladhaire | lol |
| 12:39.07 | Saint-N | and put xkcd comics for every chapter ;P |
| 12:39.21 | Saint-N | comp[elte with "How to Draw Megan" |
| 12:39.33 | cladhaire | gah i need to reboot to windows =( |
| 12:39.39 | cladhaire | we'll be back in a bit |
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| 13:34.34 | Saint-N | http://www.vavasour.ca/jeff/level1/simulator.html |
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| 15:45.10 | zenzelezz | argh, I hate sites that have almost entirely javascript links... such a pain to open multiple tabs of various parts of the site |
| 15:47.47 | Lopeppeppy | I have Javascript disabled. If I go to their site and can't navigate, I just bloody leave. |
| 15:52.16 | zenzelezz | I use NoScript, but some sites require it (and others just have horrible non-JavaScript versions) |
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| 15:53.39 | Lopeppeppy | If my NoScript barfs on a site, the site loses me. *gentle shrug* Peppy no get'um keyhackloggervirus. |
| 15:54.26 | Cide | what's noscript do anyway? if it disables javascript completely... that's pretty bad |
| 15:54.56 | zenzelezz | it disables it by default, places an icon in the lower-right corner of Firefox where you can choose to allow a site temporarily or permanently |
| 15:54.58 | Lopeppeppy | You have the option to enable it again for a site, but it pops a query before running anything. Keeps me in control of my computer, for a larger part. |
| 15:55.05 | Gngsk | like the name would suggest it disables all scripts, though you can configure what it will allow |
| 15:55.18 | Cide | I'd never stand that |
| 15:55.45 | Gngsk | well lucky you don't gotta |
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| 15:55.53 | Cide | no shit |
| 15:56.00 | Lopeppeppy | It can get bulky, but I love my computer, it's like a condom. |
| 15:56.06 | Lopeppeppy | No glove, no surfing love. |
| 15:56.11 | Gngsk | heh |
| 15:56.20 | Cide | the condom gets in the way though |
| 15:56.28 | Gngsk | that's the idea |
| 15:56.34 | zenzelezz | I have no issues with NoScript, I like the features it offers. The only thing I hate is that every single time you update it it loads its homepage on the first launch |
| 15:56.35 | Cide | don't be stupid |
| 15:56.40 | Valaron|Work | I don't have NoScript, but something disables the Reply button on Hotmail.com's Windows Live Hotmail site. |
| 15:56.57 | Valaron|Work | which r dum |
| 15:57.09 | Lopeppeppy | Cide! *poke* |
| 15:57.15 | Matrix110| | NoScripts is insane especially because you can disallow all the fucking doubleclick.net falk.net ad*****.com/net crap that sites run without you even noticing normally |
| 15:57.19 | Lopeppeppy | Practice safe hax, dear. |
| 15:57.34 | Cide | I do :) |
| 15:57.52 | Lopeppeppy | Valaron, do you have Firebug? I've heard that one causes some odd conflicts. |
| 15:58.01 | Cide | I was just extending your analogy |
| 15:58.05 | Valaron|Work | Firebug? |
| 15:58.10 | Cide | firebug is awesome |
| 15:58.11 | zenzelezz | I use Firebug and have no problems with it at all |
| 15:58.14 | Matrix110| | Firebug is a page inspector |
| 15:58.21 | Matrix110| | or something like that |
| 15:58.21 | Matrix110| | :P |
| 15:58.38 | zenzelezz | consider it DevTools for the web |
| 15:58.39 | Cide | Lopeppeppy: I totally read 'sex' and not 'hax' |
| 15:58.49 | Lopeppeppy | That was the purpose of the pun, Cide. *bonk* |
| 15:58.57 | Cide | ya.. but I just now noticed it actually said hax |
| 15:59.10 | Valaron|Work | Something on the brain :P |
| 15:59.18 | Lopeppeppy | Silly male, learn to read actual text and not anticipate Peppy's agile mind! |
| 15:59.29 | Valaron|Work | Hmm.. I only use Adblock and Adblock FilterSet.G |
| 15:59.40 | Cide | haha |
| 15:59.40 | zenzelezz | for crying out loud, how can anyone stand kids? They can't go 10 minutes outside without starting to cry |
| 15:59.58 | Cide | I'm apparently pretty good at getting winks too |
| 16:00.09 | Cide | most males suck at it royally |
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| 16:03.18 | Cide | zenzelezz: qq |
| 16:03.40 | Cide | those are only the annoying ones though |
| 16:04.21 | Cide | I was a pretty good kid, once I got over my quick temper |
| 16:04.35 | Lopeppeppy | Okay. How does one get over having a temper? 30+ years, still trying. |
| 16:04.41 | zenzelezz | I simply can't stand kids |
| 16:04.42 | Cide | I dunno |
| 16:04.54 | Cide | I'm much calmer now than I was ~5 years ago :P |
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| 16:05.38 | Cide | that said, I'm still an asshole to stupid people |
| 16:08.11 | Lopeppeppy | I can agree I'm much more calm than I was 5 years ago, but I still have a sharp tongue and can go up and down someone like a blowtorch fueled with napalm. |
| 16:09.12 | Cide | I'm not that bad to be honest :P |
| 16:09.22 | ralfWORK | that sounded kinda hot at the begining |
| 16:10.17 | ralfWORK | I was just zeroing in on the "I can go ... down ... someone" and "blow" bits |
| 16:10.51 | Cide | nice one. |
| 16:10.52 | zenzelezz | and peppy thinks I'm bad o_O |
| 16:11.06 | ralfWORK | *shrug* |
| 16:12.22 | Lopeppeppy | ralfWORK, if I had an ignore button you'd be on my Hate List. Be nice to 1/3 of the females in channel, or the other 2/3 won't talk to you either. :| |
| 16:12.56 | ralfWORK | hahahaahahahaha |
| 16:12.58 | nevcairiel | we have 3 females? |
| 16:13.05 | Cide | yup |
| 16:13.09 | nevcairiel | who is the third? |
| 16:13.47 | ralfWORK | *cough* was a joke |
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| 16:13.56 | Saint-N | cide: "to stupid people" wasnt really needed ;P |
| 16:13.59 | zenzelezz | suuure it was ralf |
| 16:14.11 | Cide | Saint-N: it sure was. if you're smart, I'm nice |
| 16:14.18 | Cide | if I'm not nice.. well.. catch a hint |
| 16:14.46 | nevcairiel | if you are not nice, the other person has a opinion that collides with yours, no matter how smart =P |
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| 16:15.05 | nevcairiel | well or is simply stupid |
| 16:15.09 | Cide | well, given that I'm always right, it necessarily means that the person if stupid, should his or her opinion collide with mine |
| 16:15.15 | Cide | ^ not really |
| 16:15.54 | Cide | nevcairiel: but I disagree, I'm completely capable of arguing in a sensible manner if the subject isn't inheritly stupid :P |
| 16:16.03 | Cide | s/inheritly/inherently/ |
| 16:17.29 | Cide | examples of inherently stupid discussions: "OMG MICROSOFT ONLY WANTS YOUR MONEY", "VISTA SUX CUZ MY FRIEND SAID SO" |
| 16:18.00 | zenzelezz | those aren't discussions |
| 16:18.05 | Cide | those are opinions |
| 16:18.12 | zenzelezz | that they are |
| 16:18.23 | nevcairiel | vista sucks because i tested it and came to the conclusion it does /discuss |
| 16:18.24 | zenzelezz | but talking to them is like talking to a rock |
| 16:18.32 | zenzelezz | no fun, and it'll get you nowhere |
| 16:18.43 | Cide | zenzelezz: well, those are the kind of people I'm an asshole to |
| 16:18.45 | ralfWORK | I could give 2 shits about vista because I'm running OSX. /discuss ;) |
| 16:18.46 | Lopeppeppy | Sometimes fun. *mischievous wink* |
| 16:18.55 | Cide | nevcairiel: why? |
| 16:19.09 | Saint-N | but my friend said vista sucks |
| 16:19.10 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: I'm curious how you can make "talking to rocks" mischievous |
| 16:19.22 | Seerah | lol |
| 16:19.24 | Saint-N | osx is for puppykillers |
| 16:19.27 | Lopeppeppy | nevcariel - Peppy, Cairenn, |pez| were the three, although we may have lost |pez| |
| 16:19.37 | Seerah | <-- :( |
| 16:19.38 | Saint-N | zenzelezz: sometimes he loses the argument |
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| 16:19.45 | nevcairiel | eats my memorys and doesnt really improve my windows-usage-experience over XP, so only downsides for me, not that other people might not like it .. not arguing that :P |
| 16:19.50 | Cide | Seerah: well, you need to talk more! |
| 16:19.53 | zenzelezz | |pez| seems to have stopped coming here |
| 16:20.03 | Cide | you guys probably scared her away |
| 16:20.03 | Seerah | where did my peppy go?!? |
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| 16:20.13 | Seerah | there she is :) |
| 16:20.15 | Seerah | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:20.26 | Lopeppeppy | Crap! I forgotted you, Seerah, and got myself booted because of it. :) |
| 16:20.31 | Seerah | I didn't do it! |
| 16:20.36 | Fisker- | booh |
| 16:20.39 | Lopeppeppy | Cairenn, Seerah, Peppy. We rule. *nod* |
| 16:20.44 | Cide | nevcairiel: aye, it does eat more memory than XP, but I consider it worth it anyway |
| 16:21.01 | Seerah | Vista is on my laptop and I hateses it |
| 16:21.14 | Cide | nevcairiel: maybe the new user interface features don't affect you |
| 16:21.14 | nevcairiel | yeah i dunno, i didnt really find any features that i really like/use |
| 16:21.32 | Cide | I really love vista - maybe the performance sucks for some, but it doesn't for me |
| 16:21.40 | Cide | the updated start menu is the best example |
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| 16:22.05 | zenzelezz | I still use the Classic start menu... can't stand the new XP one |
| 16:22.06 | nevcairiel | overall its not too bad |
| 16:22.07 | Cide | snipping tool is great, new performance monitor rocks, the explorer's better with clickable file paths and favorite links etc |
| 16:22.15 | nevcairiel | but i guess i need more then 2gb of ram before i try it again |
| 16:22.28 | nevcairiel | zenzelezz: agreed |
| 16:22.34 | Cide | the simple fact that it's hardware accelerated is great |
| 16:22.36 | Seerah | I need to take the time to figure out how to make Vista more to my liking... I don't like the start menu either |
| 16:22.41 | Saint-N | or you could run some other OS that doesnt NEED more than 2gig ;P |
| 16:22.49 | Saint-N | and just vista skin it |
| 16:22.56 | Saint-N | and pretend |
| 16:22.59 | Cide | Seerah: why not? :P it's *searchable*!! |
| 16:23.06 | Cide | windows key -> type |
| 16:23.08 | Seerah | I know what I have installed :P |
| 16:23.10 | Cide | amazing |
| 16:23.15 | Cide | yeah, but it's so much faster |
| 16:23.16 | ralfWORK | ohhh you mean like spotlight? |
| 16:23.21 | Matrix110| | Vista+WoW is at 2,1GB |
| 16:23.23 | zenzelezz | I don't want to search, I have my start menu organized for successive one-key clicks |
| 16:23.23 | nevcairiel | the search feature is nice |
| 16:23.24 | Cide | to just do windows key -> word |
| 16:23.25 | Cide | enter |
| 16:23.35 | Cide | instead of windows key -> all programs -> browse with cursor for word -> click word |
| 16:23.36 | Seerah | I don't like it cause I'd rather see everything and have it organized by folders than have to look through the list |
| 16:23.36 | zenzelezz | Start->P->I->F, Start->P->U->D, etc |
| 16:24.01 | Cide | zenzelezz: hardly faster and requires a lot more organization |
| 16:24.06 | nevcairiel | Matrix110|: i tried running 2 copys of WoW with 2GB of ram, it died a horrible death .. on XP i can even smoothly play with 2 open .. so unless i get more ram .. i need 2 copys for PTRs and such |
| 16:24.17 | Matrix110| | well ok never running 2 |
| 16:24.19 | zenzelezz | Cide: I didn't claim it was faster :) I just like it that way |
| 16:24.22 | Matrix110| | but wouldnt have a problem:P |
| 16:24.28 | Matrix110| | got 1,9GB ram free atm :D |
| 16:24.30 | zenzelezz | but I have no problems with people who like the new menus, so long as I can still use the old one |
| 16:24.35 | Cide | Seerah: well, you can see everything too :P it just doesn't cover the whole screen anymore |
| 16:24.42 | Saint-N | Matrix110|: of 2gigs with the machine turned off? |
| 16:24.46 | Seerah | so... then... no you can't Cide :P |
| 16:24.53 | Cide | not at the same time, true. |
| 16:25.00 | Matrix110| | no Saint-N i got 4GB and 2,1GB used atm |
| 16:25.00 | Seerah | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:25.02 | Cide | but I usually know what I want when I launch it |
| 16:25.07 | Cide | I don't need to see wtf is in there |
| 16:25.07 | Matrix110| | zenzelezz such behaviour is one of the reason why Windows is so bloated :D |
| 16:25.16 | zenzelezz | no |
| 16:25.17 | Cide | if I do, right-click all programs and hit Explore |
| 16:25.24 | Seerah | If I have to go to the Start menu for something, it's not something that is a commonly used program |
| 16:25.36 | Cide | and it brings you to C:\Users\Andre\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs |
| 16:25.40 | Seerah | so, I want to be able to see things at a glance |
| 16:25.45 | Cide | s/Andre/<UserName> of course |
| 16:25.45 | Matrix110| | PLEASE NO 64BIT I CANT USE MY TOTALLY UNDERPOWERED CPU THEN!!!!!!! Thats why MS had to make Vista 32bit aswell... |
| 16:25.59 | Saint-N | Matrix110|: wow who would have thought porn would take that much mem |
| 16:26.16 | Cide | Seerah: well, you still know WHAT you want, right? :) |
| 16:26.22 | zenzelezz | porn took a lot less memory with the memory optimizations in Firefox 3 zomg |
| 16:26.27 | Cide | I rarely use word, but if I want to use word, I go to the start menu and type 'word' and hit enter |
| 16:26.38 | Cide | or Graph or uTorrent or what have you |
| 16:26.41 | Seerah | Cide: usually - sometimes I think "what's the name of that damn program again?" |
| 16:26.50 | Cide | ah :P well blame your bad memory then! :P |
| 16:27.12 | Cide | I also put shortcuts to common folders I browse into the start menu |
| 16:27.15 | Matrix110| | its just Windows+WoW+Vent+TrueCrypt+µtorrent+Trillian+mIRC+AntiVir+Deamon Tools+cfos+SetPoint here Saint-N ! |
| 16:27.19 | Seerah | and I bow down to your superior gray matter /sarcasm ;) |
| 16:27.33 | Cide | so windows key -> downloads -> enter brings me to my downloads folder |
| 16:27.53 | Cide | Seerah: oh, you must sacrifice 5 sheep as well |
| 16:28.02 | Seerah | let me go poly something |
| 16:29.09 | Cide | Matrix110|: what made previous windows versions bloated was the stupid stuff that had to be in there for backwards compatibility with stupid software vendors |
| 16:29.22 | Matrix110| | yes Cide that aswell |
| 16:29.23 | Cide | because they do stuff they shouldn't, but it worked in previous windows versions because of some oversight |
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| 16:29.42 | Cide | but now that vista removed that, everyone complained because their programs stopped working |
| 16:29.55 | Matrix110| | glad they do it:P |
| 16:30.08 | Matrix110| | people that whine can just use their old OS |
| 16:30.11 | Matrix110| | whats the deal |
| 16:30.31 | Cide | even so, the whine should be directed at the software companies |
| 16:30.36 | zenzelezz | <Cide> [...] stupid software vendors [...] do stuff they shouldn't -- like a lot of game developers forcing video card drivers to make game-specific hacks |
| 16:30.49 | Cide | yep |
| 16:31.31 | nevcairiel | directx gets an update like everymonth with new tweaks and extension for new games *shrug |
| 16:31.41 | Nom- | 38 degrees C on air intake... toasty |
| 16:33.28 | nevcairiel | thats just how the cheating game industry works, gfx developers wouldnt be nearly where they are today without games, so they optimize their drivers for games |
| 16:34.57 | Nom- | lol it's a rather sad fact that the 3D gaming market is much bigger than the 3D modelling market |
| 16:35.14 | Nom- | Been that way since they days of the good ole Voodoo :D |
| 16:36.32 | Nom- | Voodoo II actually i think was whe it started to take off |
| 16:36.38 | Nom- | I remember having one of those puppies |
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| 16:37.06 | Nom- | Playing QWTF on dialup on a Pentium 133 MMX with a Voodoo II |
| 16:37.09 | Nom- | Those were the days |
| 16:38.16 | Nom- | I remember being the envy of everyone with my little 386 sitting in the other room keeping my dialup connection open for weeks on end so I never paid more than $2 or $3 a month on dialup costs |
| 16:38.41 | Lukian | :D |
| 16:39.49 | Nom- | oh twas a 486 sorry |
| 16:39.53 | Nom- | never had a 386 |
| 16:40.27 | Nom- | Now, of course, my mobile phone is more powerful than my first gaming computer |
| 16:40.30 | Nom- | the distance we've come :D |
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| 16:48.16 | Lukian | yeah, Lemmings on my PDA rules |
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| 17:04.11 | Saint-N | http://youtube.com/watch?v=Sv5iEK-IEzw |
| 17:13.19 | Kaso | oh another awesome zero punctuation |
| 17:13.34 | Saint-N | gta4? |
| 17:13.44 | Saint-N | holy christ |
| 17:13.54 | Saint-N | crude oil is up to 123$/barrel |
| 17:14.06 | Kaso | no, he hasnt finished it yet, so instead he did one mocking the hate mail he got over the SSB review |
| 17:14.29 | Saint-N | hah |
| 17:14.32 | Saint-N | linkie |
| 17:14.35 | Kaso | http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/zeropunctuation/4878-Zero-Punctuation-Mailbag-Showdown |
| 17:15.02 | Kaso | there was some joke i cant remeber where it was from but: 20 million barrels of oil each day, make you think you should be in the barrel business doesnt it?! |
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| 17:19.23 | Saint-N | heh yeah |
| 17:19.43 | Saint-N | actually i remember thinking "what a sweet job that would be" when the abrrel maker showed up in There will be blood |
| 17:20.12 | Kaso | "Im not a fan boy (YES YOU ARE) but, you may have judged brawl a bit harashly" |
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| 17:24.09 | Saint-N | capcom used to releases a new game each year with different content not the same shit each year over and over like the EA stratgey |
| 17:26.19 | Lukian | ahhh, Yahtzee always leaves me laughing at the end :D |
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| 17:31.14 | [Liq] | Hi everyone :-) |
| 17:32.32 | Valaron|Work | yo |
| 17:32.33 | Lopeppeppy | Morning. |
| 17:33.32 | Saint-N | running back and forth like sheepdog with a piece of shrapnel in it's skull |
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| 17:35.10 | Unregistered | anyone know where i type coordinates for the alpha map to put a little marler on my map |
| 17:35.47 | Unregistered | ?? |
| 17:35.57 | Kaso | you mean the texture coordinates right? |
| 17:36.18 | Unregistered | dunno just type coordinates to put a marker on my map |
| 17:37.14 | Kaso | Are you talking about using an addon or programming an addon? |
| 17:37.22 | Unregistered | addon |
| 17:37.40 | Unregistered | using an addon |
| 17:37.49 | Kaso | which addon to start off with then? |
| 17:38.03 | Unregistered | alpha map |
| 17:38.17 | Kaso | oh i see |
| 17:38.44 | Kaso | sorry, i dont know. |
| 17:38.45 | Unregistered | i hear you can type coords somwhere to put a marker on my map but where? |
| 17:38.48 | Unregistered | k |
| 17:38.59 | Kaso | An alpha Map is techincal term, which is why i got confused |
| 17:39.14 | Kaso | Shit, just because i dont know doesnt mean non of the 140 other people do >.< |
| 17:39.26 | Lopeppeppy | YARG! Grammar question. "Please list a URL for more information" or "Please list an URL for more information". I lean toward "a" with an acronym.... ? |
| 17:40.00 | Saint-N | depends |
| 17:40.06 | Josh_Borke | i lean towards an because URL expands to uniform |
| 17:40.07 | Saint-N | if you say it as you are elle |
| 17:40.11 | Saint-N | then use a |
| 17:40.18 | Saint-N | if you say it as a word use an |
| 17:40.42 | Kaso | who says URL as a word? |
| 17:40.45 | Josh_Borke | huh? wat's an elle? |
| 17:40.50 | Saint-N | l |
| 17:41.04 | Saint-N | elle is a magazine ;P |
| 17:41.06 | Kaso | does url rhyme with earl? |
| 17:41.12 | Saint-N | yes |
| 17:41.16 | Lopeppeppy | I say, "Please enter a ewe are ell", so yeah, "a" would be correct. |
| 17:41.28 | Josh_Borke | i'm so confused |
| 17:42.09 | Lopeppeppy | That's okay. I settled on "a". |
| 17:42.10 | Saint-N | peppy understands |
| 17:42.15 | Saint-N | thats all that matters |
| 17:43.43 | Saint-N | heh i noticed today that there is a korean restaurnt on my way to work named EMo |
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| 17:43.59 | Lunessa | ... station. |
| 17:44.02 | Saint-N | and standing outsit it were 3 goths waiting for a bus |
| 17:44.12 | Saint-N | err outside |
| 17:44.31 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, I've been missing you terribly, I'm glad to see you again. |
| 17:44.49 | Lunessa | I'm glad to be home. Finally. Long trip. Too long. |
| 17:44.51 | Kaso | Josh_Borke, using A or AN depends on if it is a vowel sounds eh ih ah uh oh type things, "U" pronouced "You" is not a vowel sound so "a" |
| 17:44.57 | Kaso | does that make sense? |
| 17:45.15 | Josh_Borke | yes |
| 17:45.38 | Josh_Borke | did i mention i hated english? |
| 17:45.47 | Saint-N | i hate the english too |
| 17:46.26 | Kaso | (isVowelSound("URL") and "An" or "A") |
| 17:46.34 | Kaso | there, lets all talk in lua |
| 17:47.17 | Saint-N | do you say it as elle you eh or as a word? |
| 17:47.21 | Saint-N | ;) |
| 17:47.33 | Kaso | I refuse to believe anyone says URL as a word |
| 17:47.37 | Kaso | thats just rediculous |
| 17:47.50 | Saint-N | earl |
| 17:48.18 | Saint-N | its shorter than saying you are elle |
| 17:48.35 | Saint-N | yet in almost allc ases it ends up expanding into "the website address" |
| 17:48.42 | Kaso | www is longer than saying world wide web, i still say www so as not to sound like a fool |
| 17:49.36 | Drundia | vvv > www |
| 17:49.46 | Saint-N | www == wiki wiki wordpress |
| 17:49.48 | Saint-N | duh |
| 17:50.58 | Saint-N | or wow wiki wordpress |
| 17:51.47 | Matrix110| | "wewewe" ! |
| 17:52.01 | Saint-N | dubdubdubdot |
| 17:57.56 | ralfWORK | 3 W = 6 U |
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| 18:01.58 | Saint-N | perv |
| 18:02.16 | Saint-N | 3dub = sixU |
| 18:02.26 | ralfWORK | it's true |
| 18:02.26 | Saint-N | vdub = sexU |
| 18:02.32 | MoonWolf | english has the most annoying sound associated with W. |
| 18:02.39 | Saint-N | vw=sex you |
| 18:02.50 | ralfWORK | dubya dubya dubya |
| 18:02.53 | Saint-N | in french its double V |
| 18:03.04 | ralfWORK | that's because french is wrong |
| 18:03.06 | ralfWORK | oh so wrong |
| 18:03.06 | Saint-N | doob la vee |
| 18:03.07 | MoonWolf | in dutch is a single tone. |
| 18:03.22 | Saint-N | instead of dubble you |
| 18:03.24 | Fisker- | i burped |
| 18:03.39 | Saint-N | did it taste like your boyfriend? |
| 18:03.46 | MoonWolf | kinda like pronouncing "way" although, not exactly like that. |
| 18:03.47 | ralfWORK | o.O |
| 18:03.53 | Drundia | dub-dub-dub or we-we-we sounds like that |
| 18:05.00 | Fisker- | you're not my boyfriend Saint-N |
| 18:05.17 | Saint-N | not since you had that thing with the hussy |
| 18:05.27 | Saint-N | i like seafood just not those kinds of crabs |
| 18:06.01 | Lopeppeppy | .... |
| 18:06.22 | krka | double v makes more sense than double u imo |
| 18:06.32 | krka | (swedish does the same thing) |
| 18:06.54 | ralfWORK | I thought in swedish it was "bork bork bork" |
| 18:08.52 | Saint-N | bjork bjork bjork |
| 18:09.00 | ralfWORK | mmm... bjork |
| 18:09.58 | Lunessa | ... I might have to write some code just to restore my sanity... |
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| 18:11.32 | Saint-N | http://youtube.com/watch?v=RLMkV7VyPns&feature=related |
| 18:12.00 | ralfWORK | s/ontario/canada |
| 18:12.17 | Saint-N | like yer mom |
| 18:12.54 | Fisker- | i want do write your mother |
| 18:13.00 | Fisker- | to* |
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| 19:24.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Stupid slashdot, giving me 15 mod points |
| 19:24.54 | Saint-N | hows your rectum? |
| 19:25.13 | Saint-N | rectum? damn near killed'em |
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| 19:35.17 | foxlit | grumble grumble, what's so wrong with "use a healthstone if you have one, use a healing potion if you don't" conditional logic :( |
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| 19:36.21 | ScytheBlade1 | foxlit: /use Major Healthstone; /use Super Healing Potion ? |
| 19:36.47 | Fisker- | RAWR |
| 19:36.57 | foxlit | Would probably use them both? |
| 19:37.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Possibly, I only have mana gems in a macro like that and they share cooldowns |
| 19:38.07 | ScytheBlade1 | I actually have different buttons for healthstones and healing potions :P |
| 19:38.31 | foxlit | But it's all real estate, unfortunately |
| 19:38.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Numpad an option? What's what I have my stuff bound to |
| 19:38.51 | foxlit | while buttons essentially come down to the same "please don't let me die" purpose |
| 19:39.30 | ScytheBlade1 | 7 = healthstone 8 = healing pot 9 = mana pot |
| 19:39.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Works well enough for me |
| 19:44.14 | foxlit | I'm after "awesome" rather than "well enough", though :) |
| 19:46.25 | Industrial | AESOM |
| 19:47.23 | ScytheBlade1 | A warlock in my guild is saying he can out lifetap a resto druid healing him. I said "Fel Armor required" and now I'm curious as to what his response will be ;) |
| 19:48.02 | Saint-N | "shut up noob" might be |
| 19:48.13 | cncfanatics | or a similar variatio |
| 19:48.17 | cncfanatics | s/variatio/variation/ |
| 19:48.22 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 19:48.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Possibly, but we'll see |
| 19:50.07 | nevcairiel | even without fel armor a druid would win |
| 19:51.41 | Drundia | cancel hots and try to hide |
| 19:52.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, now I'm afraid that the lock will start playing the LoS game |
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| 19:56.47 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 19:56.56 | ScytheBlade1 | The GM posted a "Battle!" type thread |
| 19:56.56 | ScytheBlade1 | The defending champ, standing 2 feet 4 inches tall (or is that something else), with an epeen bigger than yours, Sentrosi. |
| 19:56.59 | ScytheBlade1 | The challenger, standing 6 feet 9 inches tall and full of latin gusto, Altessia. |
| 19:57.05 | ScytheBlade1 | lock/resto druid accordingly |
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| 19:59.31 | |pez | Waaah, long time no... being here! |
| 20:00.55 | alestane | Lunessa: The new version of Goose is finally on WoWInterface. |
| 20:01.06 | cog|work | Lunessa! |
| 20:01.32 | Lunessa | WOOT - Goose is great. |
| 20:01.37 | Lunessa | cog|work: ! |
| 20:01.42 | alestane | Any frame, any macro condition. |
| 20:01.47 | cncfanatics | whats goose ? |
| 20:02.10 | Lunessa | alestane: ... Oh, that's HOT. I'm going to grab it tonight. |
| 20:02.21 | alestane | cncfanatics: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7160-Goose.html |
| 20:02.21 | cncfanatics | :o, not bad |
| 20:02.32 | cncfanatics | not bad |
| 20:02.33 | Kaso | Oh wow, the Johnny Lee guy (wiimote whiteboard/headtracking guy) was at TED this year, i did not know that |
| 20:02.34 | |pez | ah... does wowi-lounge automagically redirect to #WoWUIDev? :o |
| 20:02.42 | Cide | yep |
| 20:02.43 | cncfanatics | yes it does |
| 20:02.47 | Cide | hey |pez, long time no see |
| 20:02.54 | Kaso | Woaaah |
| 20:02.59 | Kaso | site admins! |
| 20:03.01 | |pez | Ah, I didn't even know irc thingies could do that. :o |
| 20:03.10 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: :o Me like |
| 20:03.22 | Kaso | Poppy up virus scannery type spywear advert on wowi! |
| 20:03.28 | |pez | Kaso: they missed me so much they had to say something!.... </wishfull thinking> |
| 20:03.50 | alestane | I originally designed it to get the multi-action bars out of the way when stealthed, or in combat, and added mounted. From there it kind of snowballed. |
| 20:04.10 | cncfanatics | heh, its fancy |
| 20:04.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Is there a macro conditional for when you are mind controlling something? (Using the possession bar) |
| 20:04.20 | cncfanatics | not a lot of addons can hide their frames based on macro conditions |
| 20:04.23 | |pez | So, people, how is life? :D |
| 20:04.31 | alestane | ScytheBlade1: [bonusbar:5] |
| 20:04.37 | cncfanatics | I only know one other then yours alestane |
| 20:04.39 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: win, ty |
| 20:04.43 | cncfanatics | and thats my flexbar :p |
| 20:05.06 | Lunessa | alestane: That AddOn will become part of the minimalists tool kit for man y many designs. |
| 20:05.36 | Cide | |pez: not bad, how's yours? |
| 20:05.48 | alestane | The thing I like about the new version of Goose is that it can manage ANY frame with a Lua reference, even ones from other addons or (I believe) addons that load after it. |
| 20:05.50 | cncfanatics | ~copy/paste Cide |
| 20:06.12 | |pez | Cide: it's great, the upcoming summer is making me in a good mood! :D |
| 20:06.20 | |pez | I love summer. |
| 20:06.29 | Cide | me too! |
| 20:06.33 | |pez | I can go around scantily clad, and lick the sun. |
| 20:06.44 | |pez | Only, I'm a nerd and stick to the inside of buildings. |
| 20:08.10 | cog|work | Meh... sun's good for food & power... and vitamin d |
| 20:08.15 | cog|work | 'bout it |
| 20:08.23 | cncfanatics | sun is good to put people in a good mood |
| 20:08.27 | cncfanatics | which helps with a lot of things |
| 20:08.35 | Lopeppeppy | Sun is about to get a swelled head. |
| 20:08.51 | |pez | I missed you guys XD |
| 20:08.54 | Lunessa | cog|work: That's the big orange thingy in the sky that makes my eyes hurt when I get up before noon? |
| 20:08.59 | cog|work | yep |
| 20:09.05 | Lunessa | I hates it. |
| 20:09.06 | cog|work | i'd call it yellow though |
| 20:09.11 | cog|work | but you're in south texas :P |
| 20:09.21 | cncfanatics | Lunessa: sunglasses will conquer your country one day |
| 20:09.58 | Cide | blah |
| 20:10.18 | Cide | every program with tabs needs a "Close other tabs" option like firefox |
| 20:10.36 | Kaso | i hate the clsoe other tabs function on firefox |
| 20:10.42 | cncfanatics | then don't use it Kaso |
| 20:10.46 | Kaso | i always accidently hit it and loose all my crap :< |
| 20:10.58 | cncfanatics | there's a confirm box ... |
| 20:11.06 | cncfanatics | do you also accidently hit the yes button ? |
| 20:11.27 | |pez | I think that confirm box can be disabled. |
| 20:11.38 | cncfanatics | then don't :p |
| 20:12.01 | Kaso | there isnt a confirm box for me... |
| 20:12.18 | Kaso | where can i get this confirm box you speak of |
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| 20:12.40 | cncfanatics | edit -> preferences -> tabs -> warn me when closing multiple tabs |
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| 20:12.52 | cncfanatics | its full of win |
| 20:13.01 | Lunessa | ... station. (Stupid power outage!) |
| 20:13.08 | Lopeppeppy | Stupid power. |
| 20:13.13 | cncfanatics | Stupid power. |
| 20:13.23 | Lunessa | fight the power |
| 20:13.31 | cncfanatics | with bateries ! |
| 20:13.33 | nevcairiel | fight the outage |
| 20:14.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone know what it takes to spawn K'iru? http://www.wowwiki.com/K%27iru |
| 20:14.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Because my server has been done for a while now... and still no K'iru :( |
| 20:14.15 | Lunessa | Apparently the South Texas heat really whacked the new A/C units hard today. |
| 20:14.41 | |pez | I hate biting my tounge by accident. |
| 20:14.59 | cncfanatics | do you ever do it on purpose ? |
| 20:15.43 | |pez | that's... a rather good point. |
| 20:17.05 | nevcairiel | thats a stupid question, too |
| 20:17.08 | Lunessa | That's...That's a nice hat. |
| 20:17.08 | Lopeppeppy | GuildPortal has been horrible this week. Grrr. |
| 20:18.11 | |pez | I have this soar on the tip of my tounge, as a result as I've bitten it several times in my sleep. -__-' |
| 20:18.28 | cncfanatics | haha |
| 20:18.37 | zenzelezz | woot, the pez is back? |
| 20:18.54 | |pez | zenzelezz: maybe! |
| 20:19.14 | |pez | didya miss me? ;D |
| 20:19.19 | zenzelezz | of course I did |
| 20:19.24 | zenzelezz | what kind of question is that? |
| 20:19.58 | |pez | I dunnno.... maybe you all just were happy about me not being here? |
| 20:20.47 | cncfanatics | I'm going to bed, g'night people |
| 20:20.54 | |pez | ninight cncfanatics |
| 20:23.15 | Kaso | Theres seriously noone around who can deal with malicous ads ? |
| 20:23.58 | MentalPower | Kaso: huh? |
| 20:24.07 | Saint-N | now we know why the sun is always drawn witha smilie face |
| 20:24.34 | Kaso | <Kaso> Woaaah |
| 20:24.34 | Kaso | <Kaso> site admins!<Kaso> Poppy up virus scannery type spywear advert on wowi! |
| 20:25.03 | MentalPower | Cairenn|afk, Dolby: ^^^^ |
| 20:25.21 | Kaso | already poked a few but nothing happened :< |
| 20:25.26 | MentalPower | Beladona: too ^^^^ |
| 20:25.29 | Saint-N | i see no poppyuip thingy |
| 20:25.34 | Saint-N | you must be insane |
| 20:25.36 | Kaso | ChanServ, even! |
| 20:25.52 | Kaso | Saint-N, clearly the only explanation ;) |
| 20:25.52 | Saint-N | you seeing it and being insane arent related |
| 20:25.57 | MentalPower | Kaso: whats the link to the advert? |
| 20:26.06 | Saint-N | they just happened to fit together |
| 20:26.15 | |pez | ow |
| 20:26.31 | Polarina | Kaso: if dollars > advertisement_hate_between_0_and_1 * 100 + 5 then accept_advertisement() end |
| 20:26.32 | Beladona | Kaso: what page were you on when you got it? |
| 20:26.37 | Polarina | Kaso: That's the general rule. |
| 20:26.41 | |pez | Ohoh, I have a preorder thingie for age of conan |
| 20:26.55 | Saint-N | i duznt |
| 20:27.05 | |pez | or, I have a preorder key. :p |
| 20:27.09 | MentalPower | Polarina: not on wowi, wowi has a strict no-popups policy |
| 20:27.16 | Saint-N | i figure ill wait until they restock the CE kit ;P |
| 20:27.24 | Saint-N | and download linkie?! |
| 20:27.26 | Kaso | Beladona, i was on http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7160-Goose.html, got redirected to http://xponlinescanner.com/2008/3/en/freescan.php?aid=77011806 which then minimises browser, does some java script checking throws up an altert and redirects to you virus download place |
| 20:27.37 | |pez | Saint-N: whut? |
| 20:27.44 | Polarina | MentalPower: Yeah, that isn't tolerated. But if we are talking about a simple gold-seller banner, then... :P |
| 20:27.45 | Saint-N | for the client |
| 20:27.45 | |pez | I have a preorder key, I don't have the game yet XD |
| 20:27.54 | Saint-N | you can download the game and get in early |
| 20:28.00 | |pez | I don't think it's possible to download the client just yet. |
| 20:28.04 | Saint-N | like 3-4 days before official open |
| 20:28.08 | MentalPower | Polarina: they also have a strict no-gold no-exploit ad policy :) |
| 20:28.12 | |pez | Yeah, three days, if I pay like £5 |
| 20:28.20 | Saint-N | oh yeah there is that |
| 20:28.21 | Polarina | MentalPower: Sorry. Mixing up wowwiki and wowi. |
| 20:28.23 | |pez | which I will probably true. |
| 20:28.30 | Saint-N | OR you get someone to download it for you ;P |
| 20:28.32 | |pez | But hey, I can get a damned war mammoth XD |
| 20:28.37 | Saint-N | heh yup |
| 20:29.22 | Beladona | Kaso: it may be something in the advertisement cycle. I will bring it to Dolby's attention |
| 20:29.32 | |pez | So I'll probably atleast try the trial period I get, if see if I like it. |
| 20:29.37 | Beladona | doesn't appear to be anything loaded in the actual site, and I can't reproduce it |
| 20:29.47 | Beladona | which may just mean I haven't hit the same ad yet |
| 20:30.20 | Kaso | yah, im pretty sure it was an ad |
| 20:30.43 | |pez | This is why I plan on making my own ad system, and sell ads myself. |
| 20:31.17 | |pez | For my own site(s) if I ever get any sites that are large enough. |
| 20:31.38 | zenzelezz | you use that fancy URL you register yet? |
| 20:31.45 | zenzelezz | registered |
| 20:31.56 | |pez | cuddlebutt.com? |
| 20:31.58 | |pez | nope! |
| 20:32.03 | zenzelezz | aww |
| 20:32.07 | |pez | but I has plans |
| 20:32.12 | zenzelezz | do tell |
| 20:32.15 | |pez | I registered webmistress.no after this. |
| 20:32.17 | |pez | Naaah |
| 20:32.35 | zenzelezz | tease :( |
| 20:32.56 | |pez | I know |
| 20:34.04 | zenzelezz | O_o |
| 20:34.59 | batrick | O_O |
| 20:35.22 | |pez | :D |
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| 20:35.42 | batrick | screenshots or it didn't happen |
| 20:35.51 | zenzelezz | and she's off, just as I was about to ask what would cause the glare |
| 20:36.10 | cog|work | lack of sunlight i'd imagine ;) |
| 20:36.35 | cog|work | I'd glare pretty badly too if i lifted up my t-shirt :P |
| 20:36.38 | Kaso | Interesting, if you're on ie/sp2 this add tries to embedd a windows media player object, which it then attemps to use to launch a URl which points at the virus download exe, interesting attack vector |
| 20:37.48 | Beladona | Kaso: what browser did you get it from? |
| 20:38.03 | Beladona | I ask ebcause there is code on wowi that specifically prevents things like that |
| 20:38.09 | zenzelezz | I noticed my Windows Update wanted to download XP SP3 today |
| 20:38.18 | Kaso | i was using firefox at the time |
| 20:38.20 | Beladona | yeah the released it for update push |
| 20:39.52 | Kaso | the windows media object suff was on the page two redirects down from wowi though |
| 20:40.16 | Kaso | im just checking out the webpage code out of interest, with my noscript shield |
| 20:40.29 | Beladona | Kaso: please do a virus scan, and/or spyware scan. It is possible you have something else that is doing it. The advertisements in wowi live in an iframe, which specifically ahve code that prevent any type of redirection |
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| 20:41.00 | Kaso | ive already started a scan with now |
| 20:42.56 | Dolby | we have the following js in each iframe to prevent redirects or popups....http://wowi.pastey.net/87406 |
| 20:43.18 | Cide | http://wowi.pastey.net/87406 |
| 20:43.33 | Cide | (my client didn't want to right-click it) |
| 20:43.37 | Gnarfoz | wtf :( SpellBreaker and Afflicted both have this nice "redirect bars to another addon using this lib that no-one but these addons use" but it's not even working :( |
| 20:44.19 | Gnarfoz | also, one includes OptionHouse as a lib (?!) but OptionHouse has spaces for buttons like "OK", "Cancel" etc, but no buttons are there |
| 20:44.22 | Gnarfoz | I'm confused :D |
| 20:44.45 | Kaso | Dolby what about flash? |
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| 20:49.59 | Dolby | hmm everything i read about flash to redirect is to use js |
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| 20:50.30 | Kaso | i thought flash could redirect the page on its own accord, but im no real expect, it may well go though js |
| 20:51.23 | Kaso | Im scanning now with AVG8, but im not sure what'll turn up, i'll keep update |
| 20:51.36 | Beladona | flash execs js to do things like browser manipulation (such as redirects) |
| 20:51.38 | ScytheBlade1 | You really can't trust flash. It's... a pretty big box of magic tricks. |
| 20:51.41 | Beladona | it is part of the actionscript |
| 20:52.57 | Kaso | ScytheBlade1, thats how it seems to me :> a box of magic that does stuff |
| 20:53.11 | pastamancer | Dolby: what about window.navigate? |
| 20:53.16 | Kaso | but what Beladona says seems senisble so ill bow to superior knowledge |
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| 21:03.58 | Saint-N | home time! |
| 21:08.50 | Kaso | My own bot just told me to GTFO, im sure i didnt program it to do that >.< |
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| 21:20.16 | Drundia | your bot probably have mistaken you for some random noob |
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| 21:22.57 | Cide | that's not being mistaken |
| 21:23.10 | Kaso | :< |
| 21:23.36 | Kaso | <TriviaBot> Kaso has moved up in rank: 34th CONGRATS xx <3 |
| 21:23.36 | Kaso | <myDesignedToCheatBot> gtfo |
| 21:23.40 | Kaso | it didnt like me winning |
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| 21:27.26 | foxlit | omg it's sentient! |
| 21:27.31 | foxlit | NUKE IT FROM ORBIT! |
| 21:28.24 | Kaso | my only idea is somehow it thought one of the non-question lines before hand was a question and tried to answer with gtfo, but im not sure how that wouldve fitted through the regex |
| 21:29.12 | foxlit | I like my version better |
| 21:29.20 | foxlit | It has a sort of post-appocalyptic appeal to it |
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| 21:30.42 | Kaso | heh |
| 21:30.51 | Kaso | a lua scripted bot takes over the world |
| 21:31.09 | foxlit | Perhaps it already recoded itself in C |
| 21:31.20 | foxlit | You just can't be sure! |
| 21:33.58 | Drundia | unplug your internet before all computers in the world are infected |
| 21:41.34 | MentalPower | foxlit: C is too high level and slow, its recoding itself in x86 asm now, IA-64 asm, PowerPC asm and Alpha asm will follow next :P |
| 21:42.46 | Kaso | eww! IA64, who uses that! |
| 21:43.07 | Kaso | too much recoding for the 5 ititum servers there are out there if you ask me |
| 21:43.23 | Kaso | Itanium |
| 21:43.26 | zenzelezz | the "Immediately Abandoned" instruction set |
| 21:43.53 | Kaso | hah |
| 21:44.10 | MentalPower | oh I forgot the XScale/ARM/StrongARM asm |
| 21:45.16 | zenzelezz | and x64 |
| 21:46.54 | MentalPower | theres two of those tho |
| 21:47.04 | MentalPower | Intel64 and AMD64 |
| 21:47.26 | Drundia | are they much different? |
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| 21:47.31 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Guillotine] by ChanServ |
| 21:47.31 | Kaso | nope |
| 21:47.40 | nevcairiel | AMD invented it |
| 21:47.45 | nevcairiel | and intel bought it |
| 21:47.49 | Matrix110| | no |
| 21:47.51 | Matrix110| | they traded it |
| 21:47.54 | nevcairiel | thats why its referred to as amd64 |
| 21:47.59 | nevcairiel | yeah same thing |
| 21:48.02 | Matrix110| | SSE vs AMD64 :P |
| 21:48.18 | MentalPower | theres differnces between the two tho |
| 21:48.42 | nevcairiel | there is always small differences in every cpu :) |
| 21:48.56 | Polarina | nevcairiel: Errata? |
| 21:49.00 | Drundia | that's why stuff crashes |
| 21:49.01 | Kaso | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X64#Differences_between_AMD64_and_Intel_64 |
| 21:49.05 | MentalPower | subtle differences, but differences non the less |
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| 21:52.16 | Gngsk | so gello updated trinketmenu and itemrack2 for 2.4.2, wonder if that means itemrack 1.99 will break when 2.4.2 goes live |
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| 22:03.41 | Kaso | my ipod shuffle is so small i keep loosing it |
| 22:03.41 | Kaso | put it down it gets something put ontop of it >.< |
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| 22:04.21 | MentalPower | Kaso: give it to me, problem solved! :P |
| 22:05.14 | Kaso | if you can find it in my trash-heap of a room its yours! |
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| 22:05.57 | pez| | damn you internet, damned you. |
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| 22:17.51 | AnduinLothar | mmm, this irc client blows |
| 22:18.46 | AnduinLothar | Tip: don't leave Ikariam logged in in an open browser window at home. You can't log in from anywhere else at the same time. |
| 22:19.03 | Lopeppeppy | Ouch. |
| 22:19.04 | Lunessa | RDP! |
| 22:20.12 | AnduinLothar | and for some reason the cosmos irc doesn't like custom screen names.... maybe it just picks a dumb name for you if yours is taken. |
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| 22:21.00 | AnduinLothar | hmmm |
| 22:21.18 | AnduinLothar | yeah, it just picks one for you if it's already taken |
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| 22:22.23 | AnduinLothar | hmmm, wonder if there's a way to specify what names it picks. Then I could at least put 'cosmos-newb1337' as default. |
| 22:22.47 | AnduinLothar | instead of unregistered or Guest1234 |
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| 22:23.07 | AnduinLothar | bbl |
| 22:23.59 | Lopeppeppy | So, my cat is a computer tech. I've been cleaning and packing, and I had a box of misc. computer cabling spaghetti set aside for later. She got into it, unraveled a few and dragged them all over the house for me. |
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| 22:25.05 | pezzt | Yay for Peppy's cat! |
| 22:25.33 | Lunessa | Cabling Cat haz wired ur haus for internetz. |
| 22:26.02 | Lopeppeppy | Seriously. If I had a camera I'd lure her into the mess for a LolCat picture. |
| 22:30.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone else play a fire mage who enjoys theorycrafting? |
| 22:30.39 | Legorol | does level 30 count? |
| 22:30.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm not quite :) |
| 22:30.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Though if you know how it all works it would |
| 22:31.01 | Legorol | fire mage, enjoys theorycrafting... you didn't specify level requirement |
| 22:31.13 | Legorol | nor did you specify i need to know it already ;-) |
| 22:31.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Well you do ;) |
| 22:31.23 | dylanm | Fix[EJ] do you let manly do the numbers |
| 22:31.24 | Legorol | damn |
| 22:31.27 | Legorol | then i'm not your man |
| 22:33.38 | batrick | (SVN) Is there an easy way to extract all the commit messages with times/dates into some sort of log? |
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| 22:33.57 | ScytheBlade1 | `svn log` ? |
| 22:36.49 | ckknight | which addon? |
| 22:36.55 | SinPi | Cartographer core. |
| 22:37.08 | ckknight | Cartographer2? |
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| 22:37.39 | SinPi | Now you have me... I'm presuming non-2. |
| 22:38.32 | SinPi | (Meaning: if there is a 2, I'm not even aware of its existence) |
| 22:40.25 | Lunessa | mmm... I just recalled - ckknight - in Pitbull the aura's on the target frame appear to have the tooltips for the first two auras (usually buffs) reversed. |
| 22:41.11 | batrick | ScytheBlade1: thanks |
| 22:43.01 | art3mis | sinpi: there's two cartographers, ones rock ones ace |
| 22:43.38 | Tentacled | The one newest on Curse seems Rock-based. Does this signify -2 ? |
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| 22:46.11 | SinusPi | ckknight: anyway - the problem I found is that Cartographer:GetCurrentPlayerPosition() sometimes sets its x,y,zone variables to nils, after a misfiring call to Tourist:TransposeZoneCoordinate (this misfires as GetMapInfo returns the continent name at login, several times). I'd advise to check for x==nil at line 1382 and skip the "just return the last returned values" route, so as not to erroneously return nils if the previous call ... |
| 22:46.17 | SinusPi | ... did so. |
| 22:46.33 | ckknight | SinusPi: there's Cartographer2 and Cartographer3 (3 is in alpha) |
| 22:46.57 | SinusPi | This would mean the "newest public" is 2? |
| 22:47.00 | ckknight | yes |
| 22:47.04 | SinusPi | Then it is 2. |
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| 22:47.18 | ckknight | wanna see Cart3? it's shiny |
| 22:47.21 | ckknight | ~cartographer3 |
| 22:47.24 | purl | cartographer3 is, like, the successor to WoW addon Cartographer, acts similarly to google maps. Download at git://gitorious.org/cartographer3/mainline.git or http://gitorious.org/projects/cartographer3/repos/mainline/archive/master.tar.gz (rename the extracted folder Cartographer3) - Provide feedback at jira.wowace.com in the Cartographer3 component. Video: http://www.vimeo.com/917523 |
| 22:47.57 | SinusPi | Tempt me not! I'm on an alpha diet! :> |
| 22:48.14 | ckknight | look at the video |
| 22:48.15 | ScytheBlade1 | batrick: sure |
| 22:48.47 | SinusPi | ckknight: Very well, but what about the bug/problem? ;) |
| 22:48.51 | ckknight | um |
| 22:49.01 | ckknight | sure, seems good |
| 22:49.06 | ckknight | got an svn account on wowace? |
| 22:49.21 | SinusPi | Yes. I'd like to make sure this is indeed a bug here and not somewhere up the food chain. |
| 22:50.08 | SinusPi | I mean - I presume it's Cartographer that does some initializing at login, checking zones and such, resulting in several calls to GetMapInfo and getting it to return the continent instead of the local zone... Or is it the game itself? |
| 22:51.09 | ckknight | that's actually a blizz bug |
| 22:51.12 | ckknight | :-P |
| 22:51.21 | SinusPi | Because, when GMI returns the continent, Tourist gets confused and feeds nils to Cartographer:GetCurrentPlayerPosition - and it refeeds them to any callers, as the player still didn't move. |
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| 22:52.00 | SinusPi | So, one nil return and no player movement = continuous nil returns, even now that GetMapInfo's sanity is back. |
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| 22:54.24 | ckknight | hrm |
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| 23:02.28 | Kaso | hmm |
| 23:03.33 | Kaso | my virus scanner detects phpcli.exe in a xampp package i downloaded off sourceforge today ^_- |
| 23:04.12 | Lopeppeppy | That could be bad. |
| 23:05.01 | foxlit | "You are attempting to install PHP. PHP can lead to severe headaches and blah blah blah. Are you sure you wish to install PHP?" |
| 23:05.08 | Kaso | hah |
| 23:05.15 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:07.50 | SinusPi | ckknight: so, will you bother to check if my suggestion to check for x==nil is valid and SVNworthy, or shall I test it more and submit it myself with your permission? |
| 23:08.16 | Kaso | interestingly the installed version isnt detected |
| 23:09.01 | ckknight | SinusPi: get one other person to test |
| 23:10.27 | SinusPi | Will do. |
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| 23:12.56 | Lunessa | Ok, I'm out. See you all tomorrow. |
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| 23:30.02 | art3mis | http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/NewImages/images.php3?img_id=18019 |
| 23:30.10 | art3mis | ^^ before and after the burma cyclone |
| 23:30.14 | art3mis | from space |
| 23:30.51 | Kaso | holy crap |
| 23:32.57 | art3mis | no shit eh? |
| 23:33.08 | art3mis | good thing that global warming didnt raise the ocean ;P |
| 23:33.11 | Lopeppeppy | Yet. |
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| 23:39.01 | art3mis | a good portion of burma is underwater at present peppy ;) |
| 23:40.26 | Lopeppeppy | Ugh. |
| 23:40.32 | Lopeppeppy | This is why I live on mountains. A lot. |
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| 23:42.02 | art3mis | lies! |
| 23:42.06 | art3mis | you live in foothills |
| 23:42.12 | art3mis | all the mountains are on the west cost ;) |
| 23:42.14 | art3mis | coast |
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| 23:42.42 | pez| | ARGH! |
| 23:42.56 | Lopeppeppy | Bull. Adirondacks, baby. Love them. Live on them. Stay dry. But very cold. |
| 23:43.05 | pez| | art3mis, fix my internet! ;__; |
| 23:43.10 | art3mis | okay! |
| 23:43.14 | pez| | Yay! |
| 23:43.17 | art3mis | peppy.. how tall are they? |
| 23:43.32 | art3mis | if they arent taller than the elevation of calgary they're foothills ;P |
| 23:43.46 | Lopeppeppy | What-ev-uh! |
| 23:43.53 | art3mis | pez|: im gonna need yuo to send me naked pez pics to test of its working ;P |
| 23:44.23 | pez| | I still don't have any of those. |
| 23:44.46 | art3mis | you really need to correct that ;P |
| 23:45.19 | pez| | Nah, I quite like the fact they naked pictures of me just doesn't exist. |
| 23:45.23 | pez| | excist? |
| 23:45.26 | pez| | hm, no. |
| 23:45.36 | art3mis | exist |
| 23:46.00 | art3mis | mr.teeth mr.teeth mr.teeth |
| 23:46.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm, max fireball crit of 7762+3105/4s DoT |
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