| 00:01.25 | art3mis | awww |
| 00:01.28 | art3mis | maul was here |
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| 00:04.52 | Lopeppeppy | AEIOU? |
| 00:04.58 | Shirik | Y |
| 00:05.07 | Shirik | haha, get it? Why? Y? |
| 00:05.07 | Lopeppeppy | Because I said so. :P |
| 00:05.37 | MentalPower | font/truetype |
| 00:05.45 | MentalPower | font/opentype |
| 00:05.50 | MentalPower | those would be so nice |
| 00:07.43 | MentalPower | but no, I have to use the fugly application/x-font-truetype |
| 00:07.49 | MentalPower | *sighs* |
| 00:08.25 | MentalPower | yay, I think I'll win purl's prize for the "talking to himself" category |
| 00:08.38 | MentalPower | at least for today |
| 00:09.09 | Gilial | @MentalPower: I'd contribute if I could help, sorry. |
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| 00:20.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Interesting |
| 00:21.05 | ScytheBlade1 | This Group Calendar addon has an MD5 implimentation |
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| 00:21.38 | Lopeppeppy | Is that contagious? |
| 00:21.55 | Gilial | What, checksums for each event, or wha? |
| 00:21.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik? He's highly contagious, and it isn't a good thing |
| 00:22.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Best you keep away from him |
| 00:22.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Gilial: no idea |
| 00:22.06 | Shirik | :( |
| 00:25.16 | bleeter | oO 2.4.2 PTR has just been extended |
| 00:25.32 | Keias | Lopeppeppy, you've had an effect on my real life. |
| 00:25.40 | Keias | I bought new socks today, and it reminded me of you. |
| 00:27.29 | MentalPower | ScytheBlade1: is it any good? (the MD5 implementation) |
| 00:27.33 | Lopeppeppy | Oh dear. I am contagious then. I'm not sure whether to jump up and down and be excited that I touched someone's life, or apologize for breaking the sock experience for you. |
| 00:27.55 | ScytheBlade1 | MentalPower: no clue... it looks pretty lengthy for MD5 |
| 00:28.08 | MentalPower | ok... |
| 00:28.15 | MentalPower | does it match regular MD5? |
| 00:28.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Supposedly |
| 00:28.28 | ScytheBlade1 | They have a few tests in there |
| 00:28.33 | ScytheBlade1 | But I haven't really played with it at all |
| 00:28.44 | Gilial | I'm...Suprised they'd go to such a length. |
| 00:29.14 | Adys | [02:25:17] <bleeter> oO 2.4.2 PTR has just been extended |
| 00:29.19 | Adys | has there been a build update? |
| 00:29.53 | bleeter | Adys: dunno, Hortus very recently posted to the forum, from what I read in his words, not as yet |
| 00:29.54 | Keias | I'm not sure what to think of it myself. |
| 00:30.06 | Adys | aight ill check later |
| 00:30.15 | ScytheBlade1 | It was a trick, to make all of the trolls and whiners go away |
| 00:30.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Here is to hoping that it worked ;) |
| 00:31.37 | bleeter | MentalPower: from what I understand, there's lots of 'issues' with data pollution in GC, people logging in creating an event then logging out before it's properly synced. Pre 4.0 GC didn't nearly have enough checks and balances, and could royally screw up the entire calendar for everyone. The author told me that he was attempting to go further than what needs be to stop this as issue as much as possible. |
| 00:32.12 | bleeter | (The GC/Outfitter author lives on my main's realm, we chatter occasionally) |
| 00:32.37 | MentalPower | interesting |
| 00:33.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, building a distributed database in WoW isn't easy ;D |
| 00:33.57 | bleeter | sounds to me like a right royal pain in the ass |
| 00:34.02 | bleeter | from what Baylord told me |
| 00:34.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm playing with it now |
| 00:34.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Luckily what I'm doing is far simpler |
| 00:34.23 | ScytheBlade1 | But it is still nothing short of a serious trick |
| 00:36.06 | Guillotine | w00t! Just finished my AddOn project. It is pure win |
| 00:36.14 | ScytheBlade1 | HighRoller2? |
| 00:36.20 | Guillotine | Almost as good |
| 00:36.40 | Guillotine | Just going to write a quick example addon with it |
| 00:38.32 | art3mis | bleeter means they cyber once in a while |
| 00:38.52 | Gilial | Who doesn't. Err.. |
| 00:39.00 | alestane | lua> print(#{[-2] = -2, [-1] = -1, [1]=1, [2]=2, [3]=3, [5]=5}) |
| 00:39.00 | lua_bot | alestane: 3 |
| 00:39.15 | alestane | lua> print(#{[-2] = -2, [-1] = -1,[0]=0, [1]=1, [2]=2, [3]=3, [5]=5}) |
| 00:39.16 | lua_bot | alestane: 3 |
| 00:39.28 | art3mis | all math questions put to the bot should always reuslt in 42 |
| 00:40.24 | Gilial | Hmm.. |
| 00:40.32 | Gilial | lua> print("Waffles!") |
| 00:40.33 | lua_bot | Gilial: Waffles! |
| 00:40.39 | Gilial | Hehe. |
| 00:44.54 | NightHawkTheSane | holy crap http://gpl.internetconnection.net/vi/? |
| 00:44.58 | NightHawkTheSane | vi in javascript |
| 00:47.25 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6286471817&sid=1#4 |
| 00:47.37 | ScytheBlade1 | I wonder if I can get banned for trolling threads about to be deleted |
| 00:47.43 | ScytheBlade1 | ... obsessively troll just them, that is |
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| 00:48.34 | Xuerian | Bored, ScytheBlade1? |
| 00:48.43 | Corrodias | of the many crimes on the blizzard boards, trolling is one that never seems to be stopped |
| 00:49.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Xuerian: with a migraine! |
| 00:49.42 | Xuerian | One would think the light from teh monitor would make you hiss, not troll :p |
| 00:49.44 | bleeter | Corrodias: it generally stops fairly soon on CSF ;) |
| 00:50.06 | Corrodias | hmm, not too familiar with how things go on that forum |
| 00:50.09 | bleeter | honestly, I'm surprised not as many of you are aware of CSF, it's where most policy changes come to light |
| 00:50.19 | Corrodias | the others appear to have a minimum of moderation |
| 00:50.38 | bleeter | like the accented chars in the names, very few people saw the policy change until the matter was raised in the forum |
| 00:50.58 | bleeter | was like, about 3 months after the fact hehe |
| 00:55.08 | bleeter | ah, they've enabled S4 on the PTR |
| 00:55.21 | bleeter | oh, that;s old news.. nm |
| 00:56.54 | Lopeppeppy | QUACK! I tell you quack! |
| 01:01.53 | Xuerian | Lopeppeppy: Quack takes on a whole new meaning with adolescents playing hide-and-seek around a duck pond.... A very scary meaning... |
| 01:02.26 | Gilial | @Xuerian: You've got my interest. |
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| 01:04.40 | Lopeppeppy | HAWNK! |
| 01:04.41 | art3mis | only if you're playig OBGYN and you have official Ducklips(tm) ;P |
| 01:04.43 | Lopeppeppy | Boston geese |
| 01:04.55 | mookid | the oo |
| 01:06.23 | Guillotine | Hmm, challenge for everyone. What would be the way to tell if an attack is against your character via COMBAT_LOG_EVENT with as FEW characters as possible (efficiency and readability don't matter) |
| 01:14.57 | Xuerian | A action or just a harmful action? |
| 01:17.09 | Guillotine | I think I figured it out |
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| 01:18.06 | Shirik | night all |
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| 01:18.21 | Gilial | Goodnight Shirik |
| 01:32.30 | MentalPower | so... my PC is screaming for a restart, brb... |
| 01:33.01 | Lopeppeppy | Aww, poor PC! |
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| 01:52.27 | Gilial | Hokay. I must just be missing it. I can't seem to figgure out how to texture model widgets, or playermodel or dressupmodel widgets, save by their SetUnit("UnitId") function -- But I'm looking to be able to choose a model that isn't tied to an ingame unit. SetModel("file") sets the model fine and it animates properly -- But I just can't seem to texture these, no matter what I try. |
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| 02:08.31 | Corrodias | i'm not sure how to help, Gilial, although that inspecting addon, what's it called now... |
| 02:08.59 | Corrodias | it can apparently remember models |
| 02:09.52 | Corrodias | the name is Examiner |
| 02:10.43 | Gilial | Mmm, I could sort of see how that could work. Call GetModel(), and save the returning value(s) to a table, and reload from there.. |
| 02:12.38 | Gilial | Though, I'm looking for a method to load models, (almost) any model, sort of like ModelViewer, and texture them appropriately. |
| 02:12.54 | Gilial | Thanks though, I'll look into that. See if I can't pull something out of it. |
| 02:20.04 | Corrodias | good luck |
| 02:20.15 | Gilial | Thank you. |
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| 02:38.33 | hi11ie | when using a chat filter with AddMessageEventFilter how do you grab the name of the person that sent the msg? |
| 02:40.06 | Arrowmaster | the global args |
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| 03:29.08 | Zootfizzle | I hear Zootfizzle hangs out in here, is it true? |
| 03:29.21 | Sixen_ | Zootfizzle does not exist. |
| 03:29.52 | Sixen_ | Zootfizzle is simply a figment of the entire Earth's imagination. |
| 03:30.02 | Zootfizzle | @_@ |
| 03:30.10 | Sixen_ | <3, :P. |
| 03:31.24 | Sixen_ | Don't everybody talk at once now... |
| 03:34.41 | Zootfizzle | OMG, Guillotine got an internship? Sheesh, Blizzard will let anyone in these days ;) |
| 03:35.21 | Sixen_ | What? Where'd you hear that? |
| 03:35.43 | ScytheBlade1 | I've heard of crazier things ;) |
| 03:35.44 | Zootfizzle | It was in the topic =O |
| 03:36.00 | Sixen_ | Oh, true that... |
| 03:36.12 | Sixen_ | Brb. |
| 03:36.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Ha, poor guy |
| 03:36.21 | Iriel | Craziness, I wonder if he can be bribed with cookies? |
| 03:36.30 | ScytheBlade1 | WELCOME TO THE LAND OF NDAs! |
| 03:36.34 | Iriel | Since slouken played the 'diet' card he's been cookie-untouchable |
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| 03:37.01 | Zootfizzle | Slouken played a diet card? That's funny, I haven't noticed any cookie run-off |
| 03:37.24 | Iriel | I secretly think it's an excuse to stop us from bribing him |
| 03:37.45 | Iriel | Or, as it really was, rewarding him |
| 03:39.07 | Iriel | heh |
| 03:42.58 | Fisker- | yay |
| 03:43.02 | Fisker- | patch today(tomorrow) |
| 03:43.13 | MentalPower | Fisker-: you sure? |
| 03:43.24 | Zootfizzle | What makes you say that? |
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| 03:43.26 | Fisker- | not at all! |
| 03:43.37 | MentalPower | cause we had someone tell us that the 2.4.2 PTR was extended |
| 03:43.37 | Zootfizzle | Are you just fishing? ;) |
| 03:43.42 | Fisker- | nah |
| 03:43.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Fisker-: they kinda brought the PTR back up |
| 03:43.49 | Fisker- | bah |
| 03:44.15 | Fisker- | just that with the extended maintanence and the last ptr client didn't include the feedback tool |
| 03:44.20 | Fisker- | usually means it's ready to go |
| 03:44.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Closing it usually means that they're ready to go |
| 03:44.39 | ScytheBlade1 | ... they brought it back up too, though |
| 03:44.48 | Fisker- | i just woke up! |
| 03:44.51 | Fisker- | I KNEW NOTHINGS |
| 03:44.53 | Zootfizzle | If I find whomever wrote that Feedback tool I'm going to beat him up in a dark alley, sheesh! |
| 03:45.00 | Zootfizzle | What a clunker |
| 03:45.32 | ScytheBlade1 | (Am I close? ;D) |
| 03:45.42 | Fisker- | yes! |
| 03:45.46 | Fisker- | i got 80000g worth of arcane dust |
| 03:46.21 | Fisker- | http://i28.tinypic.com/nnumiv.jpg |
| 03:46.22 | Fisker- | wee |
| 03:46.51 | ScytheBlade1 | ... you sure did |
| 03:46.53 | ScytheBlade1 | You epic failure |
| 03:47.29 | Fisker- | btw Zootfizzle make sure to give that guy who placed a repair vendor just next to the aldor inn a pad on the back |
| 03:47.38 | Fisker- | or girl of course |
| 03:48.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Ha, rock on |
| 03:48.14 | Iriel | go scryers! |
| 03:48.33 | Zootfizzle | Seriously, prudish Aldor weirdos :P |
| 03:48.41 | Fisker- | hmm |
| 03:48.44 | Fisker- | 4 keyslots left :o |
| 03:48.57 | Zootfizzle | Sure they were blood elves, but they had a good reason! |
| 03:49.27 | Fisker- | :( |
| 03:49.35 | Fisker- | i still see no epic gems from my consortium guy :( |
| 03:50.20 | Zootfizzle | You might as well complain that it's raining |
| 03:51.22 | Fisker- | it's not :( |
| 03:51.25 | Fisker- | i demand more rain |
| 03:51.46 | ScytheBlade1 | "Can I get a quick rundown of this fight?" "Don't noob it up" |
| 03:52.11 | ScytheBlade1 | "I see. Thanks." "Anytime." |
| 03:53.01 | bleeter | it's not raining, but it is bloody cold |
| 04:03.26 | Guillotine | Anybody want to help me debug my addon? Its only about half finished, but source here: http://guillotine.pastey.net/87306 |
| 04:04.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah sure |
| 04:04.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Line 1 |
| 04:04.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Unexpected symbol near '<' |
| 04:05.22 | Guillotine | fail :P |
| 04:05.27 | MentalPower | ~lart Guillotine |
| 04:05.27 | purl | lowers Guillotine's priority |
| 04:06.21 | MentalPower | ScytheBlade1: did you look at it? |
| 04:06.38 | ScytheBlade1 | MentalPower: yup |
| 04:06.44 | MentalPower | k |
| 04:06.51 | MentalPower | recognize the language? |
| 04:07.30 | ScytheBlade1 | It's vaugely familiar but now would be a bad time for me to really put effort into it |
| 04:07.41 | ScytheBlade1 | I just took the first line, and evaluated it with lua, and got back to you ;) |
| 04:08.14 | MentalPower | aww come on, how many languages do you know that only use 8 characters? |
| 04:08.30 | MentalPower | sorry 9 |
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| 04:08.38 | ScytheBlade1 | How many do I *KNOW* that use 8/9 characters? None, I don't *know* any of them |
| 04:08.41 | ScytheBlade1 | And I'm glad :P |
| 04:09.20 | MentalPower | ok, know as in know *of* |
| 04:09.32 | MentalPower | not know as in know how to program *in* |
| 04:09.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Pfft details |
| 04:29.42 | ScytheBlade1 | ~XML |
| 04:29.42 | purl | XML is like violence: if it's not working, you aren't using enough of it. |
| 04:32.34 | MentalPower | ok sanity check on the Lua stack (C-side). If the stack has only one thing indexes 1 and -1 will both point to it. If A and B are pushed to the stack in that order, 1 will be A and -1 will be B? |
| 04:36.45 | Nom- | anyone here run mac os on their desktop PC ? |
| 04:36.51 | Nom- | I'm thinking about converting :P |
| 04:37.36 | Iriel | MentalPower: If it was empty before they were pushed, yes |
| 04:37.43 | Iriel | Nom-: My desktop PC is a MacPro, so yes? |
| 04:38.02 | MentalPower | Iriel: thanks! (yes its empty) |
| 04:41.05 | Nom- | Nah I mean Hackintosh style |
| 04:43.21 | Iriel | Ah.. no idea then.. I value stability and predictability these days. |
| 04:43.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, time to ask: who uses what XML editors, and why? |
| 04:44.13 | ScytheBlade1 | What was the selling point for you to use said editor? |
| 04:44.29 | Iriel | I use emacs for XML |
| 04:44.31 | Iriel | because I know it |
| 04:44.35 | Iriel | and because it's good |
| 04:44.46 | Iriel | (I use XMLSpy for XSD work though, because it's great at that) |
| 04:44.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Does it have automatic "as you type" validation? |
| 04:45.07 | Iriel | If you configure it to, that's non-trivial but also not horrible |
| 04:45.18 | Iriel | I bet there are less 'impenetrable' editors out there tho |
| 04:45.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Ultimately I'm kinda looking for visual studio that isn't visual studio :( |
| 04:45.35 | Iriel | I've been using emacs for err.. 17ish years, so it's second nature |
| 04:45.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Want the "intellisense" from the XSD and validation, in a nutshell |
| 04:45.52 | ScytheBlade1 | And hen |
| 04:45.57 | ScytheBlade1 | *heh |
| 04:46.11 | ScytheBlade1 | If you had started three years earlier, you'd be matching my age in terms of your emacs usage ;) |
| 04:47.04 | Iriel | I'm getting used to that. |
| 04:48.42 | Nom- | meh i dun care about stability to a reasonable degree |
| 04:49.01 | Nom- | I just don't want to buy a $3500 mac that contains only $1000 worth of hardware |
| 04:49.06 | Nom- | It's a royal ripoff |
| 04:51.53 | ScytheBlade1 | This is really depressing, googling for linux based XML editors. I'm finding pages of XML editor reviews, and every single one of them are missing critical features |
| 04:52.24 | Nom- | My experience has been there is no #1 editor for XML |
| 04:52.35 | Nom- | I use a different tool depending on what I'm building |
| 04:52.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Then you need to use Visual Studio ;) |
| 04:53.01 | Nom- | For just plain documents, I use vim. I just have a knack for righting valid XML regardless of how complex it is :P |
| 04:53.11 | ScytheBlade1 | righting eh |
| 04:53.12 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 04:53.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Consider me a skeptic! |
| 04:53.40 | Nom- | For XML + XSLT i found this nifty little package for doing the conversion and displaying the result in a web browser |
| 04:53.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh? |
| 04:53.59 | Nom- | Or I just use Firefox / MSIE on their own... they can do XML / XLST conversions (as long as the target is XML or HTML) |
| 04:54.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, XSLT |
| 04:54.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah I'm looking for XSD validation |
| 04:54.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Not XSLT transformation |
| 04:54.20 | Nom- | Yeah, then you want a proper tool to do it |
| 04:54.31 | Nom- | Eclipse has some nifty features, checked it out? |
| 04:54.40 | Nom- | There tend to be addons to do a lot of XML stuff in it |
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| 04:54.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Not yet |
| 04:55.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Mostly because I'm guessing it'll take a year and a half for gentoo to compile |
| 04:55.43 | Nom- | This is why I will *never* buy Mac hardware: $1,599 for a 2.4GHz, 250GB HDD, 1GB RAM, Radeon 2400 XT |
| 04:55.49 | Nom- | That's not even $800 worth of hardware |
| 04:56.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm, debian laptop next to me |
| 04:56.26 | ScytheBlade1 | That just might win |
| 04:58.56 | Nom- | lol that video card is so old I can't even find a price for it any more |
| 04:59.14 | Nom- | And I can't find any stores that will sell me 512 sticks of DDR2 |
| 04:59.40 | Nom- | So I can't even give a precise price... the lowest I can get is 2 x 1GB and that's all of $129 |
| 05:00.20 | Nom- | It's nice that they put it all in a pretty box, but honestly, I couldn't care less |
| 05:00.32 | Nom- | I want grunty hardware and lots of storage, not a pretty box |
| 05:01.36 | Nom- | In fact, my PC is almost spot on the low end mac specs |
| 05:01.48 | Nom- | and I bought it when the Australian dollar was shite and it still only cost me $1100 |
| 05:02.08 | Nom- | Apple Hardware -- |
| 05:02.12 | Nom- | Apple Software ++ |
| 05:07.30 | Zootfizzle | Wait, Apple Hardware exists? |
| 05:07.57 | Zootfizzle | :P |
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| 05:08.35 | Nom- | IMO Apple needs to launch Mac OS for everyone |
| 05:08.43 | Sixen | "Apple Hardware"? That can be used together in a sentence? |
| 05:09.20 | Nom- | The day you can buy a Dell with Mac OS preinstalled is the day Microsoft's throne may well be toppled |
| 05:09.26 | Matrix110| | Nom- that will be enforced sooner or later anyway |
| 05:09.50 | Nom- | Especially with products like: http://www.vmware.com/products/fusion/ |
| 05:09.56 | Matrix110| | its ridiculous that they are still allowed to do it anyway |
| 05:10.23 | Matrix110| | and especially Quicktime is bundled with MacOSX!!!!! |
| 05:10.26 | sancus | the macbook pros are a reasonable price |
| 05:10.27 | sancus | for the hardware |
| 05:10.31 | sancus | at least for the mostpart |
| 05:10.38 | sancus | but yeah most of the desktop systems are really overpriced |
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| 05:10.56 | Matrix110| | well the deskop systems use partially Laptop Hardware |
| 05:11.02 | Nom- | And underpowered |
| 05:11.09 | Matrix110| | but still no reason for the insanely overprice :P |
| 05:11.14 | Nom- | With the exception of the Mac Pro's |
| 05:11.18 | Nom- | Which are stupidly overspecced |
| 05:11.30 | sancus | hey speak for yourself |
| 05:11.32 | sancus | I need 8 cores |
| 05:11.33 | sancus | :P |
| 05:11.43 | Matrix110| | Yeah buy a Dual Xeon System? |
| 05:11.46 | Matrix110| | prolly cheaper :P |
| 05:11.54 | sancus | actually I think that the main problem with apple hardware is that |
| 05:11.55 | Nom- | I just want something with something around the 3GHz dual core, 2GB RAM, decent video card, minimum 1TB HDD space in RAID 5 |
| 05:12.01 | Matrix110| | No 400 for a graphic card worth 40 |
| 05:12.03 | sancus | their product lineup is just wayyyy too inflexible |
| 05:12.10 | sancus | the selection sucks dick |
| 05:12.14 | sancus | and they make really weird hardware choices |
| 05:12.23 | sancus | that aren't really wise for most people |
| 05:12.26 | Nom- | If I could have Mac OS running on a system like that (dual booted with XP just in case), i'd be happy |
| 05:12.50 | sancus | if apple had a hardware lineup similar to Dell's or any of the major system retailers |
| 05:12.53 | sancus | they'd be a lot better off |
| 05:13.04 | sancus | but theyd need like 10x as many different configurations as they have now |
| 05:13.12 | Nom- | They don't need to do that... they just need to unlock Mac OS so it'll run on all Intel compatable hardware |
| 05:13.26 | Iriel | That opens up too many support issues, it's not compatible with their model |
| 05:13.35 | sancus | yeah |
| 05:13.37 | Nom- | I know, which is probably why they havne't done it |
| 05:13.39 | Iriel | a narrower set of possibillities, but they all work well |
| 05:14.08 | Nom- | imo, if they just released a Mac OS which could be installed on anything, but didn't tell anyone |
| 05:14.17 | Nom- | The tech geeks would work it out anyway |
| 05:14.31 | Nom- | And the community of people who can fix it themselves will help Apple iron out the bugs |
| 05:15.17 | Nom- | Seriously, if I could guy buy Mac OS with a 50/50 chance of it working flawlessly, I'd take that chance |
| 05:15.21 | Nom- | So would a lot of other people |
| 05:16.12 | Zootfizzle | NO! |
| 05:16.18 | Zootfizzle | You have to buy your ATI graphics card and Intel chipset from us! |
| 05:16.20 | Zootfizzle | Rawr! |
| 05:16.33 | Nom- | Apple sells nVidia cards too |
| 05:16.34 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 05:16.35 | Nom- | :P |
| 05:16.38 | Zootfizzle | :P |
| 05:16.50 | Nom- | The "top end" iMac has an 8800 |
| 05:17.23 | Nom- | # |
| 05:17.24 | Nom- | # NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GS with 512MB memory |
| 05:17.35 | ScytheBlade1 | iMac |
| 05:17.37 | ScytheBlade1 | There's your problem |
| 05:18.04 | Nom- | The Mac Pro's are insanely priced tho |
| 05:18.14 | Iriel | Have you seen the build quality of a mac pro? |
| 05:18.16 | ScytheBlade1 | And the iMacs are not targeted at power users |
| 05:18.17 | Nom- | $4,000 for a desktop that's far too overspecced for me to ever use |
| 05:18.25 | Iriel | They're "expensive" but I'm not sure "insanely priced" is valid |
| 05:18.27 | Nom- | They need something in the middle |
| 05:18.39 | Nom- | No, they're insanely overpriced |
| 05:18.47 | Iriel | I disagree strongly with that |
| 05:18.55 | Nom- | I can buy an IBM Blade with better speccs than that for less $3000 |
| 05:19.04 | Iriel | Would your IBM blade be near silent? |
| 05:19.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Because a blade belongs on a desktop. yup. |
| 05:19.52 | Nom- | lol no, but pull the hardware out of the blade, put it in a big case with some $20 low rpm high airflow fans |
| 05:19.54 | Iriel | My mac pro is better in every way from the windows PC it sits next to EXCEPT for hardware options. |
| 05:19.56 | Nom- | and they will be |
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| 05:20.26 | Iriel | and yes, it cost quite a bit more |
| 05:20.33 | Nom- | You'd have to throw out the HDD too... 15,000 RPM SAS drives are not known to be quiet |
| 05:20.44 | Iriel | but not insanely more |
| 05:21.09 | Iriel | (now, apple's memory prices are insane, but that's a different issue) |
| 05:21.13 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 05:21.26 | Nom- | Almost all of the mid-to-high range hardware you can buy for standard PC's now is fanless |
| 05:21.39 | Nom- | Which is exactly what they put int he Mac Pro's |
| 05:22.08 | Nom- | Hell, my "new" PC ($1100 like 6 months ago) has only fans on the video card and case |
| 05:22.17 | Nom- | and CPU of course |
| 05:22.31 | Nom- | no motherboard fans, which are usually dodgey anyway |
| 05:22.37 | Footrot | Sorry to intrude, but would someone have a minute or two to answer a couple of questions about committing a mod to WoWAce SVN please? |
| 05:22.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Footrot: sure - but a better place would probably be #wowace :) |
| 05:22.56 | Footrot | Thank you. |
| 05:22.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Footrot: you know, their channel :) |
| 05:23.03 | Footrot | :) |
| 05:23.13 | Footrot | Much appreciated - just new to getting around in here is all. Much appreciated. |
| 05:23.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Not a problem |
| 05:24.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Gonna have to agree with Iriel's earlier statment. Apple's build quality on the Mac Pros are absurdely nice. |
| 05:24.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Note: I run 100% hand built desktops |
| 05:25.16 | ScytheBlade1 | *is absurdely nice |
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| 05:26.40 | Nom- | Oh, there's no denying that |
| 05:26.52 | Nom- | But the fact is, I don't care about that when I'm buying a PC |
| 05:27.06 | Nom- | It sits under my desk out if sight 99% of the time, why should I care if it looks pretty ? |
| 05:27.24 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm not talking about looks, I'm talking about the internals |
| 05:27.48 | ScytheBlade1 | You know |
| 05:27.57 | ScytheBlade1 | What every geek at heart will judge a computer on :P |
| 05:28.06 | Nom- | Mercedes-Benz have a good build quality too |
| 05:28.11 | Nom- | But you don't see my jumping to buy one of them |
| 05:28.52 | Iriel | I think it boils down to what you want |
| 05:29.03 | Iriel | I play games on a hand built PC |
| 05:29.07 | Nom- | I want grunty hardware without paying the earth for it |
| 05:29.18 | Nom- | Which 99% of the time means I build it myself |
| 05:29.35 | Nom- | EVERYONE cuts corners... you buy from Dell, you might get a good CPU but you'll get shit CPU and Motherboard |
| 05:29.46 | Iriel | it's noisy, it can only take 4GB of ram, it's a power hog, but it works |
| 05:30.08 | Iriel | I develop, play different games, store my digital photographs, and work, on a mac pro |
| 05:30.17 | Fisker- | MAC |
| 05:30.18 | Iriel | which is quiet, fast, takes 16GB of ram |
| 05:30.43 | Nom- | Ok, but my point is you don't have to buy a Mac Pro to get all that |
| 05:30.43 | Iriel | FINALLY has a decent graphics card (No love for apple on how long that took) |
| 05:30.45 | Fisker- | having 16GB of ram is like having sex with your mother |
| 05:30.48 | Fisker- | TOTALLY UNNESSECARY |
| 05:30.53 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 05:30.54 | Fisker- | just like the analogy i just did |
| 05:30.55 | Fisker- | :D |
| 05:30.57 | Iriel | yeah, it's not fully loaded. |
| 05:30.58 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 05:31.00 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 05:31.19 | Iriel | >4Gb can be nice if say you want to run a 2GB VM |
| 05:31.21 | Fisker- | that's like me buying 2 1TB harddrives |
| 05:31.26 | ScytheBlade1 | And 16GB may be overkill |
| 05:31.39 | ScytheBlade1 | But that isn't what makes it nice, what makes is nice is breaking the 4GB barrier |
| 05:31.42 | Nom- | If you had the budget to buy a Mac Pro, you could get all that with change by NOT buying from Apple |
| 05:31.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is entirely realistic |
| 05:31.54 | Iriel | Nom- But I wouldn't get OSX |
| 05:31.59 | Iriel | Nom- which is also important |
| 05:31.59 | Nom- | Iriel: The worst part about buying a Mac Pro... it's Xeon which means you need ECC registerd memory most likely |
| 05:32.00 | Fisker- | sure you would |
| 05:32.14 | Fisker- | just hack the stuff |
| 05:32.25 | Iriel | Ah you see, I think this may be the issue |
| 05:32.26 | Iriel | in part |
| 05:32.30 | Nom- | Fisker-: That's how we got onto this whole religious debate lol |
| 05:32.43 | Iriel | The machine the Mac Pro replaced was a linux machine |
| 05:32.49 | Nom- | I've come to love Mac OS, but hate their hardware |
| 05:33.06 | Iriel | The 'apple premium' is worth not having to screw around anymore |
| 05:33.20 | Nom- | That's where you and I differ |
| 05:33.23 | Nom- | I'm a tinkerer |
| 05:33.26 | Fisker- | i hate their design |
| 05:33.26 | Iriel | So am I |
| 05:33.31 | Iriel | I tinker elsewhere |
| 05:33.36 | Fisker- | it's like having the SSO title and the Cenarion Expedition Mount |
| 05:33.40 | Iriel | I still have 2 linux servers in the room 8-) |
| 05:34.00 | Iriel | (one of which is even quieter than the mac pro) |
| 05:34.23 | Fisker- | i also hate stuff like you have to pay for your own ringtones and stuff to even get it |
| 05:34.38 | Iriel | Aperture and Light Room beat the crap out of anything i've found on linux |
| 05:35.30 | Iriel | not to bad mouth linux, but desktop linux isn't there yet for most professional apps |
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| 05:36.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup, sadly |
| 05:36.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Great desktop enviroment |
| 05:36.19 | Nom- | This is why I'll never buy a Xeon: |
| 05:36.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Great stuff with said desktop enviroments |
| 05:36.32 | Nom- | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:36.41 | ScytheBlade1 | But the app support... well there isn't any Visual Studio on it :) |
| 05:36.43 | Fisker- | cheap |
| 05:36.44 | Nom- | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:36.49 | Fisker- | not so cheap |
| 05:37.20 | Iriel | http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=Mac%20Pro%20%284-core%20Xeon%205400%20Series%29 |
| 05:37.22 | ScytheBlade1 | You get what you pay for |
| 05:37.23 | Nom- | You don't need ECC registered RAM for a desktop |
| 05:37.40 | Iriel | At least price the right memory |
| 05:38.09 | Nom- | Ah I was looking @ IBM Blade certified |
| 05:38.14 | Nom- | Coz we had to buy some the other day |
| 05:38.33 | Iriel | Yes well, you can't say apple is overpriced then quote IBM certified prices 8-) |
| 05:38.38 | Nom- | Kingston 4GB 667MHz DDR ECCReg $660.00 |
| 05:38.46 | Nom- | Kingston 4GB Kit DDR2 667MHz $179.00 |
| 05:38.46 | Fisker- | it's funny how the good->best curve follows the pricecurve :D |
| 05:38.48 | Nom- | There ya go |
| 05:39.16 | Matrix110| | 4gb for 179$ Oo |
| 05:39.23 | Matrix110| | you get 8GB DDR2-800 here for <100 |
| 05:39.30 | Matrix110| | which is ~160$ |
| 05:39.52 | Nom- | well that was from one place... |
| 05:39.57 | Nom- | which is not known for being cheap |
| 05:40.02 | Nom- | Here's the prices from the place I use |
| 05:40.27 | Nom- | MEM CORSAIR TWIN2X4096-PC6400C5 4GB 800MHZ# |
| 05:40.27 | Nom- | $129.00 |
| 05:40.46 | Matrix110| | talking about mac being expensive but buying Corsair memory :P |
| 05:41.01 | Nom- | Corsair is dirt cheap now |
| 05:41.21 | Nom- | $19 extra than buying two of the dirtiest cheapest |
| 05:41.38 | Nom- | That's $129 for 2 x 2GB... $110 for Kingston 2 x 2GB |
| 05:42.07 | Matrix110| | 2x2048MB kit 47 ~70$ |
| 05:43.02 | Nom- | Yep, that's probably about the same then |
| 05:43.40 | Nom- | By the time we import those, convert to Australian dollars, add GST and any other bullshit taxes |
| 05:43.42 | Matrix110| | Kingston 2x2GB = 55 = ~80$ |
| 05:43.43 | Matrix110| | ! |
| 05:43.45 | Iriel | Of course, if youre not putting ECC memory into your system you're also increasing risk |
| 05:43.57 | Iriel | and again, this depends on what the system is for |
| 05:43.57 | Nom- | It's not necessary for a desktop Iriel |
| 05:44.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Iriel: not that you're wrong, but seriously, there are very few cases where that is needed |
| 05:44.13 | Iriel | no big deal if your wow crashes |
| 05:44.35 | Nom- | Exactly... at work especially, our desktops are the dirtiest, cheapest things you can get |
| 05:44.36 | Matrix110| | IF your ECC has to jump in your memory fails anyway Oo |
| 05:44.38 | Iriel | more annoying if you're in the middle of processing gigabytes of digital assets |
| 05:44.39 | Nom- | We don't much about with servers |
| 05:44.49 | Nom- | *muck |
| 05:45.02 | Syzgyn | Dear Armory, please stop having the downs. Love, Syzgyn |
| 05:45.03 | Iriel | you'd want to know there was a problem before clearing off the originals |
| 05:45.03 | Nom- | Hell, our dev network.. i'll grab the specs of one of our dev servers |
| 05:45.32 | Iriel | at work it's the same, our dev boxes are very low spec |
| 05:45.35 | Matrix110| | ECC isnt even needed for Servers depending on what you are doing with them |
| 05:45.43 | Iriel | all the code is in SVN, no worries there |
| 05:45.59 | Iriel | ditto our web servers, no ECC there, there's several hundred servers, we can tolerate a failure |
| 05:46.05 | Iriel | Our oracle server, on the other hand... |
| 05:46.37 | Matrix110| | Yeah Database Servers with frequent writing should have it |
| 05:46.49 | Nom- | 2 x E5450 @ 3.00GHz, 32GB RAM |
| 05:46.50 | Teegtahn | hmm, is there a way to wrap text at a certain character/pixel limit? |
| 05:46.59 | Nom- | Those are development servers... we have like 5 of them or more |
| 05:47.03 | Nom- | Used for nothing but development work |
| 05:47.16 | Iriel | IMHO it's all about how much "critical non-recreatable state" a system deals with |
| 05:47.30 | Iriel | if you could just re-run the code, dont worry about ECC |
| 05:47.36 | Nom- | That's 32GB of ECC Registerd, IBM Blade Certified memory too :P |
| 05:48.11 | |Yssaril| | Teegtahn: http://www.wowwiki.com/UIOBJECT_FontString |
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| 05:48.56 | Teegtahn | thanks, I was going about it... differently |
| 05:49.13 | Nom- | Actually, if Apple was to release something in the middle of the iMac and the Mac Pro's |
| 05:49.17 | Nom- | I would probably consider it |
| 05:49.31 | Iriel | I think that's "a refurbished mac pro from last year" |
| 05:49.58 | Nom- | Nah, I don't want the Xeons |
| 05:50.07 | Yssaril | Teegtahn: lol where you creating new fontstrings per line? |
| 05:50.12 | Nom- | Something with P4 dual or quad core |
| 05:50.20 | Nom- | Xeons are just too much of a PITA for home use |
| 05:52.28 | Yssaril | Nom-: P4's are obsolete you want the Intel Core line :) |
| 05:52.53 | Nom- | They're still P4's to me :P |
| 05:52.56 | Nom- | I knew what I meant |
| 05:53.04 | Yssaril | hehe |
| 05:53.14 | Guillotine | night all |
| 05:53.25 | Nom- | CPU INTEL CORE 2 Q9300 2.5GHz 2x3MB 1333FSB # |
| 05:53.26 | Nom- | $349.00 |
| 05:53.32 | Nom- | See, something like that put into a Mac |
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| 05:53.46 | Nom- | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:53.46 | Nom- | |
| 05:53.47 | Nom- | $259.00 |
| 05:53.50 | Nom- | or that |
| 05:54.06 | Iriel | Maybe you need a MacBook pro ? 8-) |
| 05:54.30 | Nom- | No because they've got rediculous quad core xeons in them |
| 05:54.47 | Nom- | I don't need more than 2 cores |
| 05:54.50 | Nom- | 4 would be a nice to have |
| 05:54.54 | Nom- | 8 is just bonkers |
| 05:54.58 | Iriel | No, MacBOOK Pro |
| 05:55.07 | Iriel | A nice little Intel Core 2 Duo in there |
| 05:55.16 | Nom- | I'm not made of money |
| 05:55.20 | Yssaril | nom get Core 2 Extreme QX9775 :P only $1.5k :P |
| 05:55.37 | Iriel | the iMac is a core 2 duo too |
| 05:55.47 | Iriel | I guess your issue there is the lock-in and the monitor |
| 05:55.57 | Nom- | Yeah, but they've got no room for the required 1TB RAID 5 array |
| 05:56.10 | Iriel | which I have to say is a bit annoying, i'd like an iMac class machine in a somewhere-between-mac-mini-and-mac-pro case |
| 05:56.21 | Iriel | well, make the array external |
| 05:56.27 | Nom- | That's what I've just been saying Iriel |
| 05:56.27 | Nom- | lol |
| 05:56.36 | durcyn | seriously. apple needs a midrange workstation =( |
| 05:56.43 | Iriel | Nom-: I know 8-) |
| 05:57.22 | Nom- | One of my other gripes with the iMac range is the integrated monitor too |
| 05:57.29 | Nom- | I like my fukn widescreen monitor |
| 05:58.10 | Nom- | and there's a good chance that if I got a new video card, I'd get a new monitor to go with it and have dual 22" WS LCD |
| 05:58.49 | Iriel | dual monitors are nice |
| 05:58.52 | Nom- | can't do that on an iMac |
| 05:58.55 | Iriel | I've not tried dual WS |
| 05:58.59 | Iriel | Well, you sort of can |
| 05:59.04 | Iriel | you add an extra external monitor |
| 05:59.09 | Iriel | and use the built in one as the other |
| 05:59.13 | Iriel | lo - dual monitor |
| 05:59.35 | Nom- | The HDD sotrage is the problem |
| 05:59.43 | Iriel | again, external storage 8-) |
| 05:59.52 | Iriel | if it's good enough for the porn industry, it's good enough for you |
| 06:00.12 | Nom- | Yeah, find me an external Raid 5 chassis that I don't need to sell a kidney to get |
| 06:00.19 | Iriel | why raid5? |
| 06:00.25 | Nom- | Data security |
| 06:00.28 | Iriel | is that a price thing? |
| 06:00.32 | Iriel | yeah, but it's so much hassle |
| 06:00.35 | Nom- | Disk dies, swap it over rebuild the array |
| 06:00.44 | Iriel | mirroring is the same |
| 06:00.48 | Iriel | and less complicated |
| 06:00.55 | Nom- | Except requires you to have more disks |
| 06:01.01 | Iriel | so it's a cost thing? |
| 06:01.19 | durcyn | it's a capacity thing too, unless someone has ten terabyte disks that i can mirror |
| 06:01.21 | Nom- | No, not really |
| 06:01.29 | Nom- | Yeah |
| 06:01.38 | durcyn | i.e.: /dev/mapper/vg0-data 4.5T 1.2T 3.3T 27% /data |
| 06:01.55 | Nom- | I was looking at buying 3 x 750 GB drives the other day and making a 1.5TB array |
| 06:01.59 | Iriel | (hm, actually i'm not sure the iMac has a second video out, so maybe you couldn't do dual monitors on it, silly if that's the case) |
| 06:02.15 | Nom- | The way raid 5 works is you only lose the space of 1 disk no matter how many you have |
| 06:02.25 | Nom- | So if you have 5 x 1TB drives in the array, you have 4TB of space |
| 06:02.29 | Fisker- | 2104167 WD Caviar GP 10EACS, 1TB, SATAII 2 1.267,00 2.534,00 DKK |
| 06:02.33 | Fisker- | ^^ |
| 06:02.38 | Nom- | and it's striped too, which gives you the added benefit of speed |
| 06:02.44 | Fisker- | should stripe it for the lulz |
| 06:02.51 | Nom- | Oh, it's used heaps |
| 06:02.57 | Nom- | Just not hardware based versions generally |
| 06:03.04 | Nom- | Except in interprise |
| 06:03.06 | Iriel | I run into 0/1 much more than 5 |
| 06:03.08 | Nom- | *enterprise |
| 06:03.29 | Nom- | Yeah, that's because so many motherboards support it in fakeraid |
| 06:03.45 | Iriel | I dismantled my own (software) raid5 array some time ago and went back to mirroring. |
| 06:03.53 | durcyn | i don't know, coming from an enterprise environment, all we use are mirrored system disks and raid5 storage |
| 06:04.07 | durcyn | oh, god no, software raid5 is beyond awful |
| 06:04.17 | Nom- | I disagree |
| 06:04.37 | Nom- | Having had a raid controller fail and being unable to find a replacement because the vendor no longer exists |
| 06:04.40 | Nom- | It can be quite painful |
| 06:04.47 | Fisker- | anyone know why tortoisesvn is showing my checkout folder with a red warning thingy |
| 06:04.48 | Iriel | I guess for enterprises who produce HUGE amounts of data, raid5 still has a nice edge over mirroring |
| 06:04.53 | Fisker- | but everything inside it is green |
| 06:04.55 | Fisker- | and there's no changes |
| 06:04.58 | Fisker- | and there's no new revision |
| 06:04.59 | Fisker- | s |
| 06:05.08 | Iriel | Back in the old days we had more controller failures than disk failures on our raid5 devices |
| 06:05.10 | durcyn | fie. raid5 write speed already suffers. putting the parity in software sucks. |
| 06:05.30 | durcyn | and if you're going to rely on it, use a proper vendor such as adaptec or LSI |
| 06:05.37 | Nom- | It comes down to scaling basically |
| 06:05.46 | Iriel | Fisker-: Do an update and ask it why? Maybe you deleted something and didn't commit? |
| 06:05.51 | Nom- | Try building a 4.5TB array out of nothing but SAS drives without using RAID 5 |
| 06:05.55 | Nom- | :P |
| 06:06.03 | MentalPower | Fisker-: run cleanup |
| 06:06.05 | Nom- | And no, you can't cheat and use RAID 6 |
| 06:06.20 | Iriel | again tho, that's a cost consideration |
| 06:06.24 | MentalPower | Fisker-: it sometimes does that, cleanup clears the cache so the icons are re-built |
| 06:06.35 | Nom- | Nah, that's a hardware limitation in many cases :P |
| 06:06.47 | Iriel | then you need to think about changing your storage architecture 8-) |
| 06:07.06 | Nom- | Yes, cost too (since you could probably do it buy spending shitloads of dollars on custom hardware with enough scsi controllers) |
| 06:07.20 | Nom- | But then it's really a waste of time in the end |
| 06:07.25 | Fisker- | ah yeah MentalPower |
| 06:07.26 | Fisker- | there it was |
| 06:07.27 | Nom- | When you have an offsite mirror anyway |
| 06:08.15 | Nom- | That's the situation we have @ work... most of our data is put onto 4 x 4.5TB SAS NFS systems |
| 06:08.32 | Nom- | but we have a mirror of those offsite |
| 06:08.55 | durcyn | eh, there's still a market segment for large raid5 arrays, going straight from a bunch of desktop drives to SAN isn't exactly a winning cost proposition |
| 06:09.35 | Nom- | There's still a market for that too durcyn :P |
| 06:09.52 | Nom- | Our backup system is a huge promise disk array of SATA drives |
| 06:09.54 | durcyn | right- i just don't buy this " i never see raid5, so it must not exist" bit =P |
| 06:10.02 | Iriel | I guess if you can treat the enclosure+controller+drives as a semi-commodity device, where you replace drives on failure, and the whole thing if the controller goes out works reasonably well for moderate sized enclosures |
| 06:10.15 | Nom- | great for storing shitloads of data when you don't need access to it at high speed |
| 06:10.17 | Iriel | I just said *I* rarely see it anymore |
| 06:10.42 | Iriel | but volume isn't really the problem where i'm at |
| 06:10.47 | Nom- | Yeah, it comes down to where you need high availability and reliability |
| 06:10.59 | Nom- | Good luck replacing a drive without downtime on a Raid 10 array |
| 06:11.22 | Nom- | We've had disks fail @ $work... it's not hard... take out the broken drive, put in new drive, start rebuild |
| 06:11.29 | Nom- | everything is just slower than usual, but 0 downtime |
| 06:11.51 | durcyn | eh, disk failure is inevitable, regardless of layout |
| 06:15.39 | Iriel | There are RAID1/0 controllers with hot swap |
| 06:16.09 | Iriel | or with automatic failover onto spares |
| 06:16.32 | Iriel | I dont see how that's a special case over RAID5 |
| 06:17.11 | Iriel | unless it was an observation on the 'usual available features in the marketplace' |
| 06:17.21 | Iriel | in which case i'd have to defer to you, as I dont buy storage anymore |
| 06:17.39 | durcyn | more an ssumption that any capable enclosure/controller should do 0, 1, 0+1, 5, and 6 |
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| 06:19.23 | Nom- | Yeah, it depends on how much you care about your data :) |
| 06:19.38 | Nom- | I don't care a lot, but it's awful inconvenient if i lose it |
| 06:20.16 | Nom- | So I'm happy with RAID5 ... certainly a lot more than the current fakeraid 0 configurations i'm using |
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| 06:28.56 | ScytheBlade1 | http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/2.4/gnome-naked-dance.png <-- comments? critiques anyome? |
| 06:29.12 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 06:29.35 | ScytheBlade1 | A guildie asked for screenshots of your character "doing funny/random things" |
| 06:30.15 | MentalPower | thats... ...neither |
| 06:30.51 | ScytheBlade1 | So what is it? |
| 06:30.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Now I'm all curious |
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| 06:34.40 | Nom- | You're a sick and twisted individual. |
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| 06:46.12 | bleeter | Nom-: what? the WA liberal leader's here on IRC? |
| 06:46.24 | Nom- | ORLY? |
| 06:46.48 | bleeter | oh, nm.. you didn't say perverted as well |
| 06:47.06 | Nom- | No, that's you :P |
| 06:47.20 | Nom- | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:47.34 | Nom- | Hmm I just remembered I got promoted |
| 06:47.39 | Nom- | I could use my extra salary to buy something |
| 06:47.54 | bleeter | i'm not as sick and twisted and perverted as Buswell |
| 06:48.11 | Nom- | bah |
| 06:48.16 | bleeter | dunno whether to be stunned or lol that they couldn't find anyone to replace him |
| 06:48.19 | Nom- | the media is so blowing that shit out of proportion |
| 06:48.36 | Nom- | I'm sure he's not the first guy in history to sniff a chick's chair |
| 06:48.40 | bleeter | yeah, but if the best they can find is some chair sniffer .. really ;) |
| 06:48.58 | Nom- | lol |
| 06:50.10 | Nom- | hmmm if only i was prepared to play WoW on a laptop, i might just be tempted to buy a MacBook Pro |
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| 06:50.15 | Nom- | But I'm not prepared to do that :P |
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| 06:56.14 | bleeter | well... don't :P |
| 06:59.19 | Nom- | finally dual layer dvd's are coming out |
| 06:59.24 | Nom- | 10 x dual layer = $14 AUD |
| 06:59.52 | Nom- | Of course, 50 x single layer = $16 AUD |
| 06:59.55 | Nom- | *sigh* |
| 07:01.23 | d3MMoNuL | hehe |
| 07:02.10 | Fisker- | yay |
| 07:02.14 | Fisker- | my 2 1TB drives arrived |
| 07:02.18 | Fisker- | in a broken box no less |
| 07:02.34 | Fisker- | "The package was a little damaged" |
| 07:02.47 | Fisker- | HOW CAN YOU PLAY FOOTBALL WITH A 10 POUND PACKAGE >:( |
| 07:03.32 | d3MMoNuL | at least you try ^^ |
| 07:05.00 | Fisker- | but it's sick :( |
| 07:05.05 | Fisker- | a gigantic 10 pound package |
| 07:05.22 | Fisker- | And it looks like the package has been through a warzone :( |
| 07:05.41 | Lukian | <Nom-> Of course, 50 x single layer = $16 AUD, I'm scared as to what brand of DVD you buy.. |
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| 07:08.35 | d3MMoNuL | Fisker- do a chargeback then :P |
| 07:10.04 | Fisker- | no reason |
| 07:10.06 | Fisker- | if it works, yay |
| 07:10.10 | Fisker- | if not i get my stuff back |
| 07:10.15 | Fisker- | don't have to do a chargeback |
| 07:10.20 | Fisker- | infact it would probably be illegal to do so |
| 07:11.21 | Nom- | Lukian: Brand doesn't make any difference any more |
| 07:11.33 | Nom- | I've seen ones which cost $3 each die within 6 months |
| 07:11.52 | Fisker- | well |
| 07:11.53 | Lukian | Nom-, ouch :( |
| 07:11.56 | Fisker- | for Xbawks 360 burning |
| 07:12.03 | Lukian | Nom-, maybe they were just overpriced? :p |
| 07:12.04 | Nom- | But i've got some DVD's which were $30 for 50 about a year ago and they're still pristine and working flawlessly |
| 07:12.12 | Fisker- | you'll usually use some specific dvd's and burn at 1x |
| 07:12.19 | Lukian | $30 for 50 is about the right price :p |
| 07:12.39 | Fisker- | instead of phonebooths you should have dvd booths |
| 07:12.47 | Fisker- | where you get in and get a case of dvd's |
| 07:12.50 | Nom- | Yeah, these are the same media which used to be $30 for 50 |
| 07:13.05 | Nom- | they've come down in price over the last year |
| 07:13.10 | Lukian | I'm still curious what brand they are :) |
| 07:13.20 | Fisker- | so now it begins |
| 07:13.30 | Nom- | no name brand |
| 07:13.33 | Fisker- | i have to look through my 2 old drives for stuff i don't need anymore |
| 07:13.39 | Lukian | haha interesting :o |
| 07:13.45 | Lukian | Fisker-, fun! :D |
| 07:13.48 | Fisker- | so i can put the other stuff on my other hdd and connect my 1TB and transfar |
| 07:13.55 | Fisker- | SATA2 is hotplug btw right? |
| 07:13.58 | Fisker- | i feel a bit lazy |
| 07:14.02 | Nom- | the local computer store is selling them as their own |
| 07:14.04 | Fisker- | screw shutting down the computer |
| 07:14.43 | Nom- | I wouldn't do it Fisker- |
| 07:14.54 | Nom- | Plugging stuff into the power supply while the system is running can be bad |
| 07:15.12 | Fisker- | ;_; moar |
| 07:15.19 | Nom- | Those HDD's use a lot of power when they spin up |
| 07:15.33 | Fisker- | in b4 your mother |
| 07:16.03 | Nom- | That's actually one reason to get SAS drives... they're spun up independently by the controller card lol |
| 07:16.28 | Nom- | but since they run at 15,000 RPM for the good ones, that's not surprising |
| 07:17.33 | Fisker- | so |
| 07:17.35 | Fisker- | moo: hdd: C:\ 282.89GB/465.75GB D:\ 1.83GB/23.44GB E:\ 109.64GB/152.66GB F:\ 16.7GB/23.44GB G:\ 67.14GB/232.58GB |
| 07:17.56 | Fisker- | if you turn out to be right i'm killing you |
| 07:18.15 | Fisker- | 1-0 |
| 07:19.13 | Fisker- | :( |
| 07:19.16 | Fisker- | windows didn't detect it |
| 07:19.21 | Fisker- | CURSE YOU NOM |
| 07:20.45 | Nom- | "windows didn't detect it" |
| 07:20.46 | Nom- | lol |
| 07:20.49 | Nom- | just ... lol |
| 07:22.02 | End | wtf, someone visited my guilds website using BeOS? o_O |
| 07:22.06 | End | and RISC OS! |
| 07:23.17 | Nom- | BeOS ftmfw |
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| 07:23.53 | Lukian | End, someone could just be spoofing their string :D |
| 07:24.00 | End | could be |
| 07:24.06 | End | but even then it's odd! |
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| 07:26.42 | Nom- | BeOS was awesome |
| 07:26.48 | Nom- | I tried it out, it was just awesme |
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| 07:27.32 | Fisker- | moo: hdd: C:\ 282.95GB/465.75GB D:\ 1.83GB/23.44GB E:\ 109.64GB/152.66GB F:\ 16.7GB/23.44GB G:\ 67.14GB/232.58GB J:\ 931.42GB/931.51GB |
| 07:27.35 | Fisker- | that's more like it |
| 07:27.59 | Zootfizzle | BeOS is like a work of modern art |
| 07:28.06 | Zootfizzle | It looks amazing but isn't meant to do anything. |
| 07:28.08 | Zootfizzle | :P |
| 07:28.24 | Fisker- | Why make Sata2 when Windows or the motherboard doesn't even support hotswap ;_; |
| 07:28.45 | Nom- | lol |
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| 07:28.47 | Nom- | There's your problem. |
| 07:28.54 | Nom- | You're expecting Windows to do something. |
| 07:29.08 | Fisker- | windows should support hotswap though |
| 07:29.26 | Fisker- | my windows bias forces me to believe it's the motherboard! |
| 07:29.42 | Zootfizzle | I wish I could have a Windows bias |
| 07:29.47 | Nom- | You're thinking of eSata I suspect |
| 07:30.02 | Nom- | I've never seen any motherboard claim to support SATA hot swapping |
| 07:30.08 | Nom- | eSata, however... |
| 07:30.14 | Fisker- | nah |
| 07:30.16 | MentalPower | eSATA has hotswap |
| 07:30.20 | Fisker- | i'd just figure that would be standard |
| 07:30.35 | MentalPower | however so does SATA2 (from which eSATA is based) |
| 07:30.45 | MentalPower | but most motherboards don't support hotswap over SATA2 |
| 07:31.01 | Nom- | Ahah! |
| 07:31.04 | Nom- | Found the real problem... |
| 07:31.06 | Nom- | While the drivers included with Windows XP do not support AHCI, AHCI has been implemented by proprietary device drivers.[1] Windows Vista and the current versions of Mac OS X and Linux [1] have native support for AHCI. |
| 07:31.22 | Nom- | The standard interface for SATA controllers is Advanced Host Controller Interface (AHCI), which allows advanced features of SATA such as hot plug and Native Command Queuing (NCQ).The standard interface for SATA controllers is Advanced Host Controller Interface (AHCI), which allows advanced features of SATA such as hot plug and Native Command Queuing (NCQ). |
| 07:31.26 | Fisker- | bleh |
| 07:31.30 | Fisker- | i need to get vista |
| 07:31.32 | Fisker- | BUT I DON'T WANNA |
| 07:31.38 | Nom- | If AHCI is not enabled by the motherboard and chipset, SATA controllers typically operate in "IDE emulation" mode which does not allow features of devices to be accessed that are not supported by the ATA/IDE standard. |
| 07:31.56 | Nom- | Windows device drivers that are labeled as SATA are usually running in IDE emulation mode unless they explicitly state that they are AHCI. |
| 07:32.08 | End-sleep | I'm sleeping now kthx! |
| 07:32.18 | Zootfizzle | G'night End! |
| 07:32.22 | End-sleep | night night :) |
| 07:33.29 | Fisker- | ah |
| 07:33.37 | Fisker- | a 40GB steamfolder on one of my drives |
| 07:33.43 | Fisker- | no wonder i couldn't find any stuff to delete |
| 07:34.51 | Nom- | lol @ steam |
| 07:35.00 | Nom- | Steam redefines the term "bloatware" |
| 07:35.08 | Fisker- | no u :( |
| 07:35.11 | Cide | ... |
| 07:35.13 | Cide | no it doesn't |
| 07:35.20 | Fisker- | it's just that i got a lot of games :P |
| 07:35.23 | Cide | steam isn't bloated at all |
| 07:35.32 | Nom- | The Steam launcher is bloated |
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| 07:35.38 | Cide | no it isn't |
| 07:35.39 | Fisker- | i disagree |
| 07:35.48 | Cide | the steam launcher doesn't do much at all |
| 07:35.57 | Nom- | Well, let me see... every time I log in I get presented with stupid fukn advertisements |
| 07:36.00 | Nom- | That's bloat |
| 07:36.18 | Cide | no, that's you know.. handling bandwidth fees |
| 07:36.31 | Nom- | Hardly |
| 07:36.39 | Cide | better than nothing |
| 07:36.54 | Cide | have you paid bandwidth for anything more than a private webserver? it's not cheap |
| 07:37.11 | Nom- | Actually, I'd be happy to go back to the old standard interface before they brought out steam |
| 07:37.15 | Cide | the only superfluous thing about steam is the community deal, and that's largely separate and just consists of an integrated webbrowser |
| 07:37.25 | Nom- | I never use an interface anyway... i always used to use console commands |
| 07:37.27 | Cide | you're one in a million |
| 07:37.33 | Cide | steam is awesome |
| 07:37.49 | Zootfizzle | I feel like Steam could be better, but it could be so much worse |
| 07:37.58 | Cide | it used to be worse |
| 07:38.02 | Fisker- | you're paid to feel that way! |
| 07:38.15 | Zootfizzle | O_o |
| 07:38.28 | Zootfizzle | I wasn't aware anybody paid me enough to change my personal opinions! |
| 07:38.30 | Cide | now it's an awesome software deployment platform |
| 07:38.33 | Zootfizzle | I must have gotten a raise.. |
| 07:38.53 | Fisker- | ah Zootfizzle i'm just saying that because you're owned by vivendi |
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| 07:39.07 | Fisker- | You probably remember Vivendi and Valve didn't get that well along in the end |
| 07:39.41 | Cide | indirectly employed* by vivendi, maybe :P |
| 07:39.53 | Fisker- | of course |
| 07:40.07 | Zootfizzle | Heh, I can't really talk about that stuff, but I think if you examine the issue closer, you'll see that even as a para-Vivendi employee I have little reason to feel that way :P |
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| 07:41.14 | Fisker- | The Blizzard store is cool too |
| 07:41.26 | Fisker- | Was just hoping we'd get to the single sign on point sometime soon |
| 07:41.38 | Fisker- | it's frustrating to have a billion different accounts |
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| 07:42.29 | Zootfizzle | Root for Google? I dunno |
| 07:42.31 | Cide | 1 account - 15 games! |
| 07:42.45 | Zootfizzle | It's gonna be the future soon, someone will abstract accounts eventually. |
| 07:43.00 | Cide | eh |
| 07:43.07 | Cide | I dunno |
| 07:43.15 | Cide | it'd be nice though |
| 07:43.29 | Nom- | grr i hate outlook |
| 07:43.34 | Cide | get t-bird |
| 07:43.34 | Tem|afk | ... |
| 07:43.44 | Zootfizzle | Nom- hates a Microsoft product! |
| 07:43.45 | Zootfizzle | QUICK! |
| 07:43.46 | Cide | bloated? |
| 07:43.50 | Zootfizzle | ALERT THE PRESS! |
| 07:43.58 | Nom- | finally... third try and i finally got it to connect to the exchange server |
| 07:44.04 | Fisker- | i hate outlook too |
| 07:44.19 | Cide | you sure that's not your connection? :P |
| 07:44.39 | Nom- | Well, given that the connection is a Cisco VPN |
| 07:44.53 | Nom- | and ssh, web and remote desktop was working over the VPN connection just fine |
| 07:44.54 | Cide | did you know that Cisco is MS-owned? yeah... |
| 07:44.55 | Nom- | What do you think ? |
| 07:45.10 | Cide | definitely the MS VPN |
| 07:45.51 | Cide | honestly though, are you blaming outlook and not your connection solely because of the brand? that's fairly stupid |
| 07:46.13 | Nom- | I don't remember saying it was anything to do with the brand |
| 07:46.15 | Cide | but try T-bird or something |
| 07:46.37 | Cide | you hinted at it with "given that the connection is a Cisco VPN" as far as my interpretation goes |
| 07:46.38 | Nom- | I observed the connection was working fine with the exception of Outlook |
| 07:46.40 | Zootfizzle | You implied your hate for Outlook was related to your connection issues =P |
| 07:46.51 | Fisker- | i didn't know thunderbird supported exchange |
| 07:46.57 | Cide | Cisco is like the god of WWW |
| 07:47.00 | Cide | oh, I dunno |
| 07:47.05 | Cide | maybe it doesn't |
| 07:47.09 | Nom- | No it doesn't :P |
| 07:47.12 | Cide | weak |
| 07:47.16 | Nom- | Nothing except Outlook supports exchange |
| 07:47.16 | Zootfizzle | Thunderbird doesn't support LDAP =/ |
| 07:47.18 | Cide | it's open source, go add it |
| 07:47.34 | Nom- | With the exception of the REALLY dodgy OWA wrappers |
| 07:47.37 | Nom- | And they're REALLY dodgy |
| 07:47.56 | bleeter | Nom-: u r dodgy |
| 07:48.08 | Fisker- | you're both doggies |
| 07:48.12 | Nom- | Especially when some of your email folders have upwards of 5000 emails |
| 07:48.12 | Fisker- | and i'm having my way with you |
| 07:48.47 | Nom- | LOL love the tooltips |
| 07:49.06 | Nom- | "You must provide your password, click here to type it" ... *click* ... *window dissapears* ... *nothing happens* |
| 07:49.10 | Nom- | O...kay then |
| 07:49.22 | Fisker- | that's why i changed away from outlook |
| 07:49.30 | Fisker- | i have billions of emails |
| 07:49.33 | Fisker- | and it handles it like shit |
| 07:49.38 | Fisker- | but thunderbird does alright |
| 07:49.53 | Nom- | I did get thunderbird working ok |
| 07:50.05 | Nom- | But of course I sync my phone to my PC for calendar sync |
| 07:50.13 | Nom- | But that dun work with Thunderbird |
| 07:50.17 | Fisker- | get a new phone bawww |
| 07:50.27 | Fisker- | oh |
| 07:50.27 | Nom- | I has a new fone |
| 07:50.28 | Fisker- | calendar |
| 07:50.30 | Nom- | N95 8G |
| 07:50.32 | Fisker- | i thought you meant watch :D |
| 07:50.46 | Fisker- | thought that was kinda overkill for syncing with a pc |
| 07:50.57 | Nom- | lol |
| 07:51.21 | Nom- | who the hell would buy a watch that can sync to your PC |
| 07:51.29 | Nom- | You got some c-razy ideas |
| 07:51.33 | Fisker- | well i mean the inbuilt watch on your mobile |
| 07:51.39 | Nom- | lol |
| 07:51.40 | Fisker- | you can set it to sync with the PC when you connect |
| 07:51.47 | Nom- | sif |
| 07:51.50 | Fisker- | but mine can sync online |
| 07:51.52 | Nom- | i have a WATCH to do that |
| 07:51.53 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 07:52.01 | Nom- | You know... one of those things that goes on your wrist |
| 07:52.13 | Nom- | That if you examine it closely gives you an approximation of the current time |
| 07:52.14 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 07:52.25 | Fisker- | i use my laptop and mobile for that |
| 07:52.30 | Fisker- | i hate watches :( |
| 07:52.35 | MentalPower|ZzZz | night-n-stuff |
| 07:52.36 | Nom- | lol |
| 07:53.09 | Nom- | hmm trying to decide if i should go down the computer shop and buy the new HDD's i've been thinking about getting for a whiel |
| 07:53.51 | Nom- | I'm running so low on space, even after burning a stack of DVD's over the last night |
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| 07:54.49 | Nom- | didn't have much space to begin with tho... only about 480g |
| 07:58.03 | Fisker- | i heard those 1TB WD drivers are pretty good |
| 07:58.04 | Fisker- | :P |
| 07:58.56 | Nom- | Yeah, I don't have a box to RAID them yet tho |
| 07:59.17 | Nom- | I'm planning to buy a minimum of 3 drives |
| 07:59.21 | Nom- | Put them in a raid configuration |
| 07:59.55 | Fisker- | ah |
| 08:00.00 | Fisker- | my new headset is absolutely brilliant |
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| 08:00.58 | Nom- | wow i love apple's licensing |
| 08:01.04 | Nom- | $158 for single user |
| 08:01.08 | Nom- | $249 for 5 users |
| 08:01.33 | Nom- | Microsoft would make you fukn buy 5 copies |
| 08:01.35 | Nom- | :P |
| 08:03.57 | NightHawkTheSane | the best part of apple's licensing? |
| 08:04.00 | NightHawkTheSane | no fucking keys. |
| 08:04.35 | NightHawkTheSane | no "oh my god you switched some hardware, so we're going to invalidate your copy of windows, because we're paranoid and idiotic: |
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| 08:04.43 | Cide | how is that a problem at all? |
| 08:04.48 | Tem|afk | it's such a pain to burn/rip them afterwards |
| 08:04.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem|afk: thats not apple, thats the labels |
| 08:04.58 | Tem|afk | how is it a problem that they're drm'd? |
| 08:05.00 | Cide | NightHawkTheSane: ever had that happen? |
| 08:05.08 | Tem|afk | because I can't audio surf them if they're drm'd |
| 08:05.10 | Cide | Tem|afk: no, how are keys a problem |
| 08:05.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Cide: seen it happen, plus keys just complicate matters. no keys, no issues, ever. |
| 08:05.37 | Cide | except for the party that you know, sells the product |
| 08:06.08 | Cide | hey, let's allow people to create wow accounts without keys.. but you can only do it if you bought a copy |
| 08:06.38 | NightHawkTheSane | wow, that's totally taking what i said way out of proportion/context |
| 08:06.47 | Cide | maybe I misunderstood the context then? |
| 08:06.51 | Fisker- | NightHawkTheSane that's only OEM licenses |
| 08:06.53 | NightHawkTheSane | and i'm too tired to even care. so yeah, night. |
| 08:07.02 | Cide | haha, alright. night :) |
| 08:07.36 | Cide | but I'm curious... how can you limit access to a product without serial keys? |
| 08:08.00 | Fisker- | well noone wants a mac |
| 08:08.04 | Fisker- | so there's your answer |
| 08:08.08 | Cide | lol |
| 08:08.08 | Fisker- | :D |
| 08:08.32 | Fisker- | though i'd guess the only part they care about is that you're running Mac hardware |
| 08:08.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Cide: okay, one last answer before i go afk. Apple doesn't try to limit your access to its os. its a purely on-your-honor system. So the question there is moot. |
| 08:08.44 | Cide | ah |
| 08:08.47 | NightHawkTheSane | They're not making money on the OS, so they dont need to bother with licensing it |
| 08:08.50 | Cide | well, that doesn't work |
| 08:08.56 | Cide | if you want money |
| 08:09.18 | NightHawkTheSane | It works if your os only (legally) runs on their hardware, and they make money on the hardware ;) |
| 08:09.21 | Fisker- | to be honest i could see Mac OS X as a pretty successful OS |
| 08:09.35 | NightHawkTheSane | which has been the basis of apple's business model for a long time now |
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| 08:09.53 | Cide | NightHawkTheSane: that works, but then you restrict yourself to a limited set of hardware |
| 08:10.01 | Cide | which is unfortunate |
| 08:10.12 | NightHawkTheSane | But for apple, a hardware company, thats precisely what they want. |
| 08:10.21 | Cide | I'm sure, but it's unfortunate for the consumer |
| 08:10.55 | NightHawkTheSane | Eh, not terribly, as you can then buy a single license of osx and install it on your 2-3 home computers, as long as you have -slightly- loose ethics ;) |
| 08:11.19 | Cide | you can with windows too |
| 08:11.58 | NightHawkTheSane | use a single license key for multiple installations? whats the point of the key then? |
| 08:12.22 | Cide | you circumvent the purpose, obviously |
| 08:12.52 | Cide | which is always possible without a central key database (i.e. like wow, steam, what have you) |
| 08:13.17 | NightHawkTheSane | things like online services are, to me, entirely separate beasts, though |
| 08:13.51 | Cide | well, the purpose of keys is the same for both online and offline services |
| 08:14.14 | Cide | they just don't work as well for offline services (sadly -- piracy sucks for every software developer) |
| 08:14.33 | Zootfizzle | I pray for the day when computers are pervasive enough for all licenses to be assigned to people instead of hardware. |
| 08:14.44 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, and specifically regarding OSs, I dont honestly see the real value of keys or any kind of strict licensing |
| 08:14.57 | Fisker- | Zootfizzle but what if you get a new kidney or heart? |
| 08:15.05 | Fisker- | :D |
| 08:15.13 | Cide | NightHawkTheSane: /shrug. you could make the same argument for every offline service |
| 08:15.30 | Drundia | You can assign licenses to people by their brains :) |
| 08:15.47 | Drundia | That would solve new kidney or heart issue. |
| 08:16.04 | bleeter | lots of people don't have brains tho |
| 08:16.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Cide: and i would, too. Arguably, any software that can't be legally obtained online has no real need for a licensing scheme. It's useful for shareware or anything where you can download the full product online for ensuring purchases |
| 08:16.15 | Cide | yeah, what about the addon users? |
| 08:16.16 | Zootfizzle | Doesn't stop them from talking in IRC :P |
| 08:16.20 | Cide | discrimination, I tell ya. |
| 08:16.31 | NightHawkTheSane | but, anyway. i've gone on much longer than i ought. i need to go to sleep. later :) |
| 08:16.36 | Cide | later |
| 08:16.48 | bleeter | gn |
| 08:17.05 | Zootfizzle | G'NightHawkTheSane ;) |
| 08:17.54 | Fisker- | in the mean time i'll put my last harddrive in and curse upon the lack of hotswap |
| 08:17.58 | Fisker- | brb |
| 08:18.17 | Drundia | we can assign licenses by spinal cords if they don't have brains.... |
| 08:18.31 | Cide | ouch |
| 08:18.32 | Drundia | or by dna |
| 08:18.56 | Cide | what if you happened to sample a mutated cell? |
| 08:18.59 | Drundia | But right, new kidney or heart may have different DNA.... |
| 08:19.14 | bleeter | twins and the like |
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| 08:19.25 | Cide | anyway, I'm out |
| 08:19.27 | Cide | later folks |
| 08:19.32 | bleeter | cya cide |
| 08:19.53 | Drundia | luckily there isn't that many of twins |
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| 08:20.41 | Drundia | and seeing that many people can't differentiate them, why should software licenses do? :) |
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| 08:29.40 | Fisker- | moo: hdd: C:\ 290.61GB/465.75GB E:\ 931.42GB/931.51GB J:\ 870.98GB/931.51GB |
| 08:29.43 | Fisker- | that's more like it |
| 08:31.20 | Zootfizzle | Grats on your extremely large HDDs. NONE of us think you're overcompensating for anything =O |
| 08:31.32 | Fisker- | ;_; |
| 08:31.44 | Zootfizzle | Cogboy's not around, somebody has to do it ;) |
| 08:31.48 | Fisker- | but i would've striped them if i were overcompensating for something |
| 08:32.48 | Zootfizzle | Dude, they want stability too, having them seperate makes them think there's always a backup |
| 08:34.03 | Fisker- | i'm not happy that my new DVD burner says "DVD-RAM Drive" |
| 08:34.11 | Fisker- | who the hell thought of reimplementing DVD-RAM? |
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| 09:55.58 | Tentacled | Hello ladies, gentlemen, bots and hermaphrodites. Do you perhaps know of a way to detect a player's "change home location" event? I can tell the general zone binding, naturally, but seem unable to pinpoint it better... Thus, no way to tell Fairbreeze Village from Falconwing Square, they both being in Eversong Woods... And I need to detect a "User has moved their home to [precise location]" event... Any hints? |
| 09:57.21 | Tentacled | (I mean, I can detect the change of binding between far zones, but these two being in the same zone prove undetectable that way) |
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| 10:05.08 | bleeter | baaa |
| 10:08.01 | Tem | Tentacled, look for the event that says what your new home is |
| 10:08.17 | Tem | it's probably a CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM if I had to guess |
| 10:10.34 | Tem | and to avoid localization, there's probably a global string that you can mangle into a regex |
| 10:11.48 | Tem | ("error *something* success?" lol) |
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| 10:26.11 | Tentacled | Tem: thanks, I'll look into that I guess... Localization scares me, though, and I tend to avoid it if at all possible. |
| 10:26.32 | Tem | Tentacled, which is exactly why you should make use of the global strings when you can |
| 10:26.39 | Tem | automagic localization ftw |
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| 11:25.53 | art3mis | anyone use remote desktop in linux? |
| 11:25.58 | art3mis | i've got a question aboot it |
| 11:30.15 | Lukian | art3mis, mm? |
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| 11:32.34 | art3mis | does it behave like normal winders rpd(ie a vnc connection) |
| 11:33.04 | art3mis | and is there a vpn type connection like what small business server does for it's network? |
| 11:33.32 | art3mis | err rdp |
| 11:34.56 | art3mis | hrm work time, dont answer yet wait til saint-n logs ;P |
| 11:36.22 | mikma | damn, i forgot again how can i get the texturenames of mouseover :( |
| 11:41.32 | mikma | anyone here remembers how to get texture of mouseover? |
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| 11:50.24 | Gotai | mikma: GetMouseFocus():GetNormalTexture():GetName() ? |
| 11:50.55 | mikma | Gotai: hmm that might work perfectly |
| 11:51.23 | Footrot | Anyone here recommend a decent Mac OS X SVN client? |
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| 12:49.55 | cladhaire | anyone have a VPS host they'd recommend? |
| 12:51.13 | Dolby | http://www.webhostingtalk.com/ is a good place to find out about hosts |
| 12:51.21 | Dolby | see if they have a good or bad rep |
| 12:51.33 | cladhaire | yeah that's where i've been looking but its a catch-22 |
| 12:51.42 | cladhaire | the offers forums is loaded with people busting ass trying to get new clients |
| 12:52.00 | cladhaire | and i'd rather have good old word of mouth suggestions :P |
| 12:53.11 | Dolby | about 6 years ago I had a vps with site5.com and they were great, but no idea how they are now =/ so I cant recommend anything really. |
| 12:53.49 | cladhaire | i use site5 for my main hosting, and they're spectacular, actually |
| 12:53.53 | cladhaire | i'd totally recommend them |
| 12:53.59 | cladhaire | but i'd like to be able to run daemons as well |
| 12:54.08 | cladhaire | which isn't something they do :P |
| 12:56.36 | foxlit | 18.6 TB / m for 6$ sounds odd |
| 12:57.26 | cladhaire | lol |
| 12:57.37 | foxlit | 7 MB / s to saturate that, wonder if anyone ever managed to |
| 12:57.37 | cladhaire | i dont buy into those ridiculous claims |
| 12:57.44 | cladhaire | because of that very reason |
| 12:57.51 | cladhaire | but, they provide damn good hosting |
| 12:58.33 | foxlit | Problem with unreal banwidth / disk space limits is that they usually are backed by some AUP that says "but if you ever use more than a fraction of that ... " |
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| 12:59.07 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 13:02.15 | Gilial | So uh -- What is the catch with their deal, find it yet? |
| 13:02.23 | foxlit | http://www.site5.com/support/rup.php |
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| 13:03.10 | foxlit | Including fun stuff like |
| 13:03.14 | foxlit | "Database queries should not exceed 3,000 per hour. |
| 13:03.14 | foxlit | Database changes (insert/update/delete) should not exceed 1,000 queries per hour." |
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| 13:03.39 | cladhaire | aye |
| 13:03.51 | cladhaire | well, if you are hosting a serious site on a $5.00 a month plan |
| 13:03.56 | cladhaire | that's silly :P |
| 13:04.18 | Saint-N | or incredibly crafty! |
| 13:04.18 | cladhaire | of course, i blow the query limit away with wowprogramming.com |
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| 13:04.53 | foxlit | [oh, and 5$ applies if you buy a 10 yr hosting chunk] |
| 13:05.03 | Gilial | I'll uh, just stick to my "I dug this computer out of the trash + no-ip redirect" plan. |
| 13:05.11 | Saint-N | laugh |
| 13:05.12 | cladhaire | Gilial: i wish i could =( |
| 13:05.35 | Saint-N | just get pirate bay to host for ya ;P |
| 13:05.52 | Saint-N | im sure thier requirements destroy anything you can do ;) |
| 13:05.57 | foxlit | Personally, I use http://hostforweb.net/ , but their overuse policy is just as cryptic as the next guy |
| 13:06.09 | Kaso | Alot of home ISPs have small print in their TOS about hosting servers |
| 13:06.10 | Saint-N | i use a machine at my house |
| 13:06.22 | Gilial | Yeh -- It's just storage, MySQL and random server hosting (WoW private, ventrilo, random odds and ends), so it's nothing major. :/ |
| 13:06.22 | Saint-N | <-- has business cable at home |
| 13:06.31 | cladhaire | ooh just found one that looks really really good. |
| 13:06.46 | Saint-N | psst dont mention that first server in here, they get all itchy |
| 13:06.56 | Saint-N | clad whatcha need? |
| 13:07.03 | cladhaire | ? |
| 13:07.07 | Saint-N | requirements |
| 13:07.08 | cladhaire | i'm looking for a vps |
| 13:07.18 | Saint-N | why for? |
| 13:07.44 | Saint-N | or rather why a vps |
| 13:07.48 | Dolby | for his private collection of Cairenn|afk pictures |
| 13:07.55 | Saint-N | oh |
| 13:08.00 | cladhaire | Saint-N: daemons, primarily |
| 13:08.02 | Saint-N | i'll totally host that for ya ;P |
| 13:08.04 | Gilial | Bow-chica-bow-wow. |
| 13:08.09 | cladhaire | git daemon, etc. |
| 13:08.13 | Saint-N | ahh |
| 13:08.18 | cladhaire | wowprogramming.com could use a more permanent home |
| 13:08.22 | Saint-N | check gplhost |
| 13:08.33 | Saint-N | they arent too bad for vps |
| 13:08.46 | cladhaire | wow their shared is cheap too |
| 13:08.53 | Saint-N | i say arent too bad as i havent used them and have only talked to the owner a few times |
| 13:09.08 | Saint-N | but he's pretty acceissible |
| 13:09.13 | Saint-N | err acessible |
| 13:09.24 | Saint-N | he's on msn most nights if you have questions n stuff |
| 13:10.20 | cladhaire | why is it called GPL |
| 13:10.27 | cladhaire | im' sure there's an about page |
| 13:10.32 | cladhaire | just wondering i you'd looked. |
| 13:10.48 | Saint-N | i cant remember the reason |
| 13:10.56 | Saint-N | thier entire hosting package/xen setup is gpl |
| 13:11.01 | Saint-N | called dtc |
| 13:11.11 | Saint-N | it's like cpanel |
| 13:11.20 | cladhaire | oh cool |
| 13:11.25 | cladhaire | i like the giving back aspect :P |
| 13:11.33 | Saint-N | its actually pretty nice |
| 13:11.48 | Saint-N | dtcsupport.gplhost.com i think is thier wiki |
| 13:14.26 | Fisker- | hey Saint-N |
| 13:14.30 | Fisker- | i'm destroying you |
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| 13:22.22 | Industrial | Anyone know the CVAR for the little plants and decal shit thats being put on the ground in front of you/near you, and if I can turn that off entirely? |
| 13:23.09 | Kaso | i think if you have lower graphics settings those dont get rendered, but im not sure you can directly toggle it |
| 13:23.25 | Saint-N | yeah its ground detail or soemthing |
| 13:23.33 | Saint-N | just turn it down in the settings |
| 13:23.51 | alestane | Should be in the Video Options panel XML somewhere. |
| 13:26.17 | Industrial | alestane: hm right |
| 13:26.21 | Industrial | Saint-N: I want it off entirely |
| 13:26.26 | Industrial | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/1b3d5d0ab27c7c31ae39a0414eebe5ea.jpg |
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| 13:29.59 | Kaso | Anyone know good software for recording a m3u stream? |
| 13:30.59 | MoonWork | streamripper |
| 13:31.21 | Kaso | sweet |
| 13:33.56 | Gilial | I honestly use Virtual Audio Cable (http://software.muzychenko.net/eng/vac.html) and Audacity (http://audacity.sourceforge.net/) to record/screw with stuff. Works for pretty much everything. |
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| 13:41.36 | End | cladhaire: linode is pretty popular |
| 13:41.44 | cladhaire | thanks, i'll take a look |
| 13:41.59 | alestane | Industrial: Try /console groundEffectDist 0 |
| 13:42.28 | Industrial | yeah, doing that |
| 13:42.36 | Industrial | but that doesnt completely hide it, it makes it very close though |
| 13:42.38 | Industrial | big improvement |
| 13:42.58 | Gilial | Wonder what happens if you set it to -1...>> |
| 13:43.19 | alestane | I don't know if there's actually an on/off setting, just set it as low as you can. Are you trying to improve your GFX performance? |
| 13:43.50 | Industrial | alestane: yeah, and the little fluff just anoys me :P |
| 13:44.08 | Industrial | alestane: in any game I can mod (eg half life 1, tfc) i try to make it as bland as possible so it wont distract me |
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| 13:44.23 | Industrial | Gilial: nothing, nil too. |
| 13:44.50 | Industrial | alestane: and with the distance set at the lowest default (177) my fps is pretty nice hehe |
| 13:45.17 | alestane | Keep in mind that all CVars are actually strings. |
| 13:45.31 | alestane | So I guess you could try "". |
| 13:47.05 | alestane | But it probably has a floor value. |
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| 14:03.35 | Saint-N | http://www.nerve.com/dispatches/nerveeditors/50GreatestCommercialParodies/04/ |
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| 14:15.37 | Funkeh` | what do I do if someone posts an addon on wowi that has a complete rip of my code with no credit? :< |
| 14:17.20 | Kaso | Funkeh` i'd poke one of those @ at the top |
| 14:17.33 | Kaso | cladhaire, for instance |
| 14:17.54 | cladhaire | Funkeh`: you talk to one of us |
| 14:18.04 | cladhaire | and we deal with it, and figure out how it got approved in the first place |
| 14:18.22 | Funkeh` | cladhaire, would you like a link to the addon or? |
| 14:18.30 | cladhaire | yes, please. |
| 14:19.13 | MoonWork | well, im pretty sure aprovers don't have the code of every submitted addon in their heads. |
| 14:19.15 | schnoggo | Cairenn and Dolby are the site leads. I work for the company as well. Cladhaire and the blues have some pull :) |
| 14:19.32 | Funkeh` | cladhaire, http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8865-BangAntiSpam.html about 10 times bigger than my aaddon but has exact copy and pastes from various versions of my adon all over it |
| 14:20.00 | cladhaire | do you have a link to your addon as well? |
| 14:20.04 | Funkeh` | I wouldn't even care if he gave some credit |
| 14:20.08 | Funkeh` | yep, sec |
| 14:20.27 | Funkeh` | cladhaire, http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8736-BadBoyAutomaticSpamReporter.html#info there |
| 14:20.56 | Funkeh` | it has copy and pastes from old versions which Ive changed in my current version also |
| 14:21.03 | schnoggo | does yours have GUI options? |
| 14:21.04 | cladhaire | his is a rar |
| 14:21.08 | cladhaire | it should haev been rejected for that alone |
| 14:21.12 | cladhaire | :P |
| 14:21.38 | schnoggo | heh |
| 14:21.45 | Funkeh` | cladhaire, ohoh right at the bottom of the main lua file, is basically MY addon |
| 14:21.53 | cladhaire | Funkeh`: So its the triggers primarily that concern you? |
| 14:21.55 | cladhaire | ok |
| 14:22.05 | Funkeh` | nope |
| 14:22.27 | mikma | anyone has a small delay-timer code for wow? |
| 14:22.39 | cladhaire | well the file is currently unavailable, i'll have someone look into it |
| 14:23.06 | Funkeh` | cladhaire, want me to host you a version |
| 14:23.31 | Funkeh` | I managed to download it ok |
| 14:23.32 | cladhaire | no, i mean i've moved the file |
| 14:23.34 | cladhaire | lol |
| 14:23.37 | Funkeh` | oh right |
| 14:23.39 | Funkeh` | lol |
| 14:23.41 | Funkeh` | thank you |
| 14:24.05 | cladhaire | so we can sort things out |
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| 14:25.29 | Kaso | mikma, there are several lib out there for time delaying |
| 14:25.37 | mikma | Kaso: like? |
| 14:25.56 | Kaso | Chronos one off the top of my head, im sure others will shout more acey ones in a sec |
| 14:26.06 | mikma | didn't tek have one too |
| 14:26.39 | Kaso | prob, its a very common feature |
| 14:27.50 | Kaso | AceEvent has scedualing in it i think |
| 14:28.02 | Kaso | Im sure Dongle has some timing stuff in it too? |
| 14:28.09 | cladhaire | Dongle 1.1 has it yes |
| 14:28.34 | Kaso | so there you go, three choices to work with |
| 14:28.41 | Funkeh` | cladhaire, Im going to guess that hes other addon libram swapper is a rip of something also probably ;p |
| 14:29.29 | cladhaire | im' at work at the moment, but we'll make sure somenoe looks at it |
| 14:29.30 | cladhaire | thanks |
| 14:29.31 | Dolby | well we need some proof, can go on guesses |
| 14:29.40 | Dolby | err cant |
| 14:29.41 | Dolby | hehe |
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| 14:29.50 | cladhaire | I R DOLBY WE CAN GO ON GUESSES |
| 14:32.31 | Dolby | is there a peculiar part of his code your referring to Funkeh` ? Bela has done a compair and really hasnt found anything yet thats a direct copy. |
| 14:32.48 | Funkeh` | Dolby, which addon |
| 14:32.56 | Dolby | the first one |
| 14:33.06 | Beladona | fyi, we don't reject rars |
| 14:33.15 | Dolby | BangAntiSpam |
| 14:33.29 | cladhaire | Beladona: i know, i was kidding. |
| 14:33.29 | Funkeh` | if you download v1.2 orao of my addon you will ee how obvious it is |
| 14:33.31 | cladhaire | i hate rars |
| 14:33.35 | Funkeh` | arg |
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| 14:33.47 | Funkeh` | v1.2 or ao you will see * |
| 14:33.50 | Beladona | I know was just clarifying |
| 14:33.52 | Funkeh` | so* |
| 14:34.07 | Beladona | no what I hate are people who distribute rar extractors as rar files |
| 14:34.09 | SunTiger | cladhaire, whats so bad about rars |
| 14:34.12 | Kaso | .tar.gz for all! |
| 14:34.12 | Beladona | .... |
| 14:34.37 | cladhaire | SunTiger: they're horrible |
| 14:34.37 | Dolby | oh 1.2 of your addon? |
| 14:34.43 | Funkeh` | yeah |
| 14:34.51 | Beladona | so to download this freeware program that can open a rar, I ahve to download another freeware program that can open a rar, just to get this one... yeah thanks |
| 14:34.59 | cladhaire | indeed :P |
| 14:35.43 | Kaso | What? who rars their installer? |
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| 14:37.06 | Kaso | Anyway get 7zip and you're good for pretty much any format, it's all gravy |
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| 14:52.42 | wereHamster | do you need one? |
| 14:52.53 | Lopeppeppy | I don't. I just need 7zip, but that's me. |
| 14:54.10 | Lopeppeppy | ?Rawr? |
| 14:54.40 | zenzelezz | doesn't matter, I still enjoyed it |
| 14:54.53 | Lopeppeppy | You would, sicko! :P |
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| 14:55.43 | ralfWORK | wow yea that was fucking bad |
| 14:55.47 | ralfWORK | but good at the same time :( |
| 14:56.06 | Cide | I didn't get it |
| 14:56.06 | zenzelezz | let's be grateful that I didn't choose to say "7unzips" then |
| 14:56.20 | Lopeppeppy | Cide. RAR. Rawr. |
| 14:56.25 | Cide | oh |
| 14:56.26 | Cide | nice. |
| 14:56.28 | Lopeppeppy | Oh. |
| 14:56.32 | Cide | that's awesome |
| 14:56.53 | Valaron|Work | And to think, I missed it. |
| 14:57.21 | Lopeppeppy | Sorry guys. I don't do them often, when I do I have to advertise. |
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| 15:11.07 | Seerah | <3 peppy |
| 15:11.08 | cog|work | My latest license plate: http://www.cogwheel.info/upload/files/omwhome.jpg |
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| 15:11.49 | Seerah | funny, cog :) |
| 15:14.30 | cog|work | If I ever get both cars clean at the same time, i'll have to take a side by side shot ;) |
| 15:14.56 | cog|work | (the other being http://eternalblue.dnsalias.net/Mustang4GNMRGNsm.jpg ) |
| 15:15.11 | Legorol | gnmrgn? |
| 15:15.14 | Legorol | ooooh |
| 15:15.19 | cog|work | :) |
| 15:15.38 | Legorol | that one's awesome |
| 15:17.19 | cog|work | Legorol: awesome was when someone posted on my old guild's forums after seeing me :P http://casualknights.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=5250#5250 |
| 15:20.28 | tlund | cog|work: *love* |
| 15:22.11 | cog|work | tlund: http://home.comcast.net/~m_orlando/4GNMRGN.jpg |
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| 15:22.50 | tlund | yeah, saw :) |
| 15:23.43 | Cide | it's not the mustang pic fyi |
| 15:23.55 | Cide | nice one cog|work |
| 15:24.12 | cog|work | yeah... different pic :P |
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| 15:32.12 | alestane | Dolby: When the latest update of Goose gets approved, can you move it to http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/cat17.html or http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/cat27.html? |
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| 15:36.39 | alestane | For anyone who's interested, the latest greatest version of http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7160-Goose.html is now available to conditionally control your frames' visibility. |
| 15:37.18 | alestane | I'd also appreciate the help of anyone who can explain why the scrolling code in the config screen does properly scroll the frame to the bottom when a new condition is added. |
| 15:38.07 | alestane | er, does not* properly scroll. |
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| 15:41.54 | Lopeppeppy | Random question #456891 -- I have a friend who has a video file to send me that's too big to email. What's a good temp hosting site for file swapping like this? |
| 15:42.02 | Kaso | mediafire |
| 15:42.12 | Kaso | http://www.mediafire.com/ |
| 15:42.16 | Kaso | now with 100% more valid url |
| 15:43.28 | Saint-N | megaload.com rapidshare.com |
| 15:43.37 | Saint-N | and oodles of other places |
| 15:43.47 | Saint-N | filehost.wowdev.net |
| 15:43.54 | Lopeppeppy | *hugs* Thanks guys, that gives me some places to start. I was drawing a total blank for whatever blonde-moment reason. |
| 15:43.57 | Lopeppeppy | Must be Monday |
| 15:44.32 | Kaso | you know people who frequent chans if they can list upload sites from memory with ease :p |
| 15:45.44 | Saint-N | i use it for my collections of balloon animal porn |
| 15:46.04 | Kaso | hah |
| 15:46.04 | Saint-N | and mcdonalds stir stick porn |
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| 16:03.30 | Shot | Is there any way to only pass the value of a table? |
| 16:03.38 | Shot | instead of an object reference |
| 16:03.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Err? |
| 16:03.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, pass a copy of the object, not the object? |
| 16:03.52 | Shot | e.g. data1 = blankDataTable |
| 16:03.56 | Shot | yes, that's it |
| 16:03.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, pass the table and then copy it yourself :) |
| 16:04.43 | Shot | so I can't say data1 = %blankDataTable or anything similar? |
| 16:05.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Nope, there is no lua syntax for passing tables (or anything) like that |
| 16:05.08 | Shot | :( |
| 16:05.10 | Shot | ah well |
| 16:05.15 | Shot | at least it's a small blank table |
| 16:05.58 | Lopeppeppy | That sucks! What are you eating for breakfast, Cogwheel? |
| 16:06.13 | Gilial | Tastycakes, IMO. |
| 16:06.15 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work: cheap marketing ploy to make you think that you're "eating healthy" imo |
| 16:06.43 | Lopeppeppy | At least it's just 2 servings, not 4 or 6.... |
| 16:07.37 | cog|work | Lopeppeppy: 3-berry pie tart from http://www.kozlowskifarms.com/ |
| 16:07.56 | Lopeppeppy | Oh. Save half for tomorrow? |
| 16:08.30 | cog|work | s/tomorrow/the Mrs./ imo |
| 16:08.35 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
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| 16:26.39 | Saint-N | anyone have the bacon on a stick link? |
| 16:26.43 | Saint-N | from yesterday |
| 16:26.55 | Lopeppeppy | ~logs |
| 16:26.56 | purl | from memory, logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 16:27.04 | Lopeppeppy | Is it logged for ya? |
| 16:27.49 | zenzelezz | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:28.04 | Saint-N | thanks |
| 16:29.04 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz has much more logfu than I possess. *mournful sigh* |
| 16:29.17 | Kalroth | zenzelezz is senseless though |
| 16:29.20 | ScytheBlade1 | "Back: French fries attached to the bacon with thick corndog batter." |
| 16:29.22 | ScytheBlade1 | holy crap |
| 16:29.24 | ScytheBlade1 | DO WANT |
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| 16:29.44 | durcyn | sounds kind of like a scotch egg |
| 16:29.48 | Kalroth | :D~~~~~ |
| 16:30.20 | Lopeppeppy | Scary shit, people. *grin* |
| 16:33.52 | Saint-N | http://cgi.fark.com/cgi/fark/vidplayer.pl?IDLink=3584116 |
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| 16:40.07 | cncfanatics | does anyone know an app that can reason reiserfs partitions on an lvm for windows ? |
| 16:40.08 | wereHamster | zenzelezz, how do the french fries stick on the bacon? some kind of glue? |
| 16:40.23 | ScytheBlade1 | wereHamster: corn dog batter |
| 16:40.28 | Saint-N | http://cgi.fark.com/cgi/fark/vidplayer.pl?IDLink=3578958 |
| 16:42.46 | Saint-N | http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/video/2008/apr/30/dragons.den.gremlins.bt |
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| 16:47.10 | Saint-N | That bride looked so uptight, that when she farts, only dogs can hear it. |
| 16:47.27 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 16:55.48 | Saint-N | * MS Office suite: Excel, Word, PowerPoint, SharePoint |
| 16:55.48 | Saint-N | * Project planning |
| 16:55.48 | Saint-N | * High level understanding of web technology |
| 16:55.48 | Saint-N | * Understanding of financial concepts, products and services |
| 16:55.48 | Saint-N | * Strong communication and organizational skills |
| 16:55.49 | Saint-N | * Ability to work well within a team |
| 16:55.51 | Saint-N | * At least 4-6 years of relevant project experience |
| 16:55.53 | Saint-N | * Knowledge of HTML and SQL preferred |
| 16:56.00 | Saint-N | ^^ available in nyc for about 65-80/hr |
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| 17:31.37 | MentalPower | morning all |
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| 17:38.07 | Valaron|Work | Morn'. |
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| 18:13.01 | Adys | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_palettes |
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| 18:25.31 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/what_would_jesus_do |
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| 18:43.05 | MentalPower | anyone know how to add a build number into VS? |
| 18:50.46 | zenzelezz | MentalPower: version resource |
| 18:51.22 | MentalPower | meaning? |
| 18:51.40 | zenzelezz | you're talking Visual Studio, right? |
| 18:52.42 | MentalPower | yup |
| 18:53.05 | zenzelezz | if your project doesn't already have a resource script, add one. Then go to the resource window/tab, right click -> Add -> Resource, and there's one called "Version" |
| 18:53.07 | cog|work | MentalPower: project properties |
| 18:54.34 | cog|work | unless you created an empty project (or you're opening someone else's) it should've given you the resources you'd need (esp if it's a CLR project) |
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| 18:54.54 | zenzelezz | "Empty project" ;-o |
| 18:55.09 | zenzelezz | the auto-generated code never seemed to fit my style |
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| 18:55.59 | MentalPower | I started with an empty project |
| 18:56.08 | zenzelezz | then try what I said |
| 18:59.34 | cog|work | yep. add a resource file, then add a version resource to itto that resource |
| 18:59.43 | cog|work | s/itto that resource/it./ |
| 19:01.26 | MentalPower | ok, got that far, now how do I do an auto-incrementing one? |
| 19:01.37 | MentalPower | cause all I see is a way for me to manually specify one |
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| 19:01.45 | cog|work | I think the project type has to support it. |
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| 19:02.13 | cog|work | (could be wrong though) |
| 19:02.24 | cog|work | there might be some way to do it in the build configuration |
| 19:02.58 | cog|work | but a .net project for instance has that ability built into its publishing properties tab |
| 19:03.20 | cog|work | :P |
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| 19:07.24 | Saint-N | geezuz |
| 19:07.30 | Saint-N | oil is 121.20 per barrel |
| 19:08.22 | Polarina | People predict that it will go up to $200 per barrel. |
| 19:08.53 | Gilial | Solar looks more appealing by the day. |
| 19:09.18 | wereHamster | or small cars like colbert said yesterday |
| 19:09.57 | Gilial | But ahm 6 foot...something...I'm not a tetris piece, I can't squeeze into a small car. :( |
| 19:10.35 | wereHamster | it doesn't have to be a truck/suv though, there are normal-sized cars that you can fit into. |
| 19:13.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | my truck gets 8 mpg |
| 19:13.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | :( |
| 19:13.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | i like the high-up viewpoint it provides though |
| 19:13.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can't drive a car |
| 19:13.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | get me an SUV that gets 30 mpg and i'll be all over it in a heart beat |
| 19:14.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | as long as it's not a car that resembles an suv vaguely |
| 19:14.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | i gotta have that high up viewpoint :[ |
| 19:15.01 | durcyn | mowing down pedestrians isn't that much harder in a sedan |
| 19:15.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | on that note i'm gonna go play some gta4 |
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| 19:26.01 | wereHamster | has blizzard decided to be evil again? http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/06/1715213 |
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| 19:26.54 | Gilial | Euh. |
| 19:29.14 | ScytheBlade1 | For the curious: the only full featured XML editor for linux happens to be eclipse with XMLBuddy installed |
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| 19:35.20 | Saint-N | xml is for people with low expectations |
| 19:37.14 | alestane | ~XML |
| 19:37.15 | purl | XML is like violence: if it's not working, you aren't using enough of it. |
| 19:37.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | i went to some microsoft partners' convention thing recently |
| 19:37.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | and some guy pronounced "XML" like "Zamil" |
| 19:38.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | is that standard practice |
| 19:38.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | because if so that's stupid :( |
| 19:38.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | like |
| 19:38.30 | alestane | My opinion is that XML works very well at its original stated intentions. Terseness is not a concern, it's very interoperable, it allows for clear documentation of format...but it's not terribly efficient. |
| 19:38.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | at the keynote speech |
| 19:38.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | the guy on stage |
| 19:38.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | from microsoft |
| 19:38.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | pronounced it zamil |
| 19:38.48 | alestane | It's a respectable middleman. |
| 19:38.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | and i facepalmed so hard the earth moved |
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| 19:43.15 | nevcairiel | ex emm ell for me too |
| 19:46.09 | dylanm | Mr_Rabies: Are you sure he wasn't talking about XAML? |
| 19:46.26 | dylanm | Because that's certainly a Microsoft thing. |
| 19:46.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's a possibility |
| 19:46.47 | dylanm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XAML |
| 19:47.31 | dylanm | It's hard keeping up with the MS architecture-of-the-month. |
| 19:48.04 | wereHamster | Mr_Rabies2, XMAL, pronounced zammel, maybe the MS guy meant that and not XML |
| 19:53.52 | Gilial | Quick! Someone! Gimme somethin' to code! |
| 19:54.26 | Lopeppeppy | I need to know where my noncombat pet is in relation to myself, at all times. |
| 19:54.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Right next to you. |
| 19:54.45 | ScytheBlade1 | There, that was easy! |
| 19:54.59 | Gilial | Damn, ScytheBlade1 is good. |
| 19:55.25 | Lopeppeppy | Wow, you're wicked smart. *rolls eyes* |
| 19:55.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Wicked bored maybe |
| 19:56.34 | Lopeppeppy | Then help him code an XYZ addon to tell me about my prettypet! |
| 19:57.21 | ScytheBlade1 | See the thing is, when I'm bored, it means that I am procrastinating |
| 19:57.35 | ScytheBlade1 | While I'm procrastinating, doing anything other than what I should be doing, bugs me endlessly |
| 19:58.01 | Gilial | Oh hey -- Me too. Was supposed to write a speech for speech class. I chose not to. Due a week ago. |
| 19:58.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Smooth |
| 19:58.15 | Gilial | Mm, very. |
| 19:58.53 | Lopeppeppy | Males. Very. |
| 20:00.27 | Gilial | I'd take offense, but I'm way, way too lazy. |
| 20:00.31 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 20:00.45 | Lopeppeppy | *laugh* You guys are too much. |
| 20:05.27 | _Saint-N | what if the non combat pet is egbert |
| 20:05.52 | Lopeppeppy | You'll never know where that wacko birdbrain is! |
| 20:06.01 | Saint-N | thats why a tracking addon for him would be good |
| 20:06.13 | Saint-N | you can definitely say that HE didnt pull the mobs that time |
| 20:06.34 | Lopeppeppy | Because he was at 34, 45, and the mobs were at 32, 45, and his aggro radius is only one unit? |
| 20:06.44 | Saint-N | correct |
| 20:06.55 | Saint-N | "that time" being the operative phrase |
| 20:07.10 | Lopeppeppy | That time. :) |
| 20:07.33 | Gilial | The court accepts your finding of fact, but finds egbert guilty, 'cause we hate that soon-to-be-omlette. |
| 20:07.58 | Lopeppeppy | Lunch. Yummy. |
| 20:09.01 | Gilial | Holy crap -- When did it become lunchtime? Holy crap. I swear it was 10 AM an hour ago, but it's 4 PM now. Well I got alot of work done. |
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| 20:24.26 | Drundia | zomgs, wow gets too unstable and unreliable around 24h uptime mark... things just stop working :( |
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| 20:31.37 | Saint-N | zomg == Zombies! Oh My God! |
| 20:33.15 | Drundia | :D |
| 20:33.53 | Gilial | Anyone know how to get in touch with a loanshark? |
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| 20:40.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm, the XSD is out of date, or simply not maintained anymore :/ |
| 20:42.14 | cog|work | ScytheBlade1: yeah... it's missing some things... |
| 20:42.25 | cog|work | i've got a couple of them in my suggestions list |
| 20:42.53 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work: I'm finding that out now as I'm paging through the XML parts with this XSD assisted editor |
| 20:43.14 | ScytheBlade1 | According to the XSD, <Color> isn't allowed within <Layer> |
| 20:43.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Among other things |
| 20:44.37 | cog|work | i don't think it's supposed to be allowed... |
| 20:44.45 | cog|work | it has to be part of a <Texture> |
| 20:44.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Book bug then ;( |
| 20:45.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Page 143 at the top |
| 20:45.07 | ScytheBlade1 | * ;) |
| 20:46.09 | cog|work | Or if it is allowed, it may need to be in a different spot in relative to other elements |
| 20:46.23 | cog|work | s/relative/relation/ |
| 20:46.46 | cog|work | e.g. putting <Scripts> before <Anchors> might work in game but it won't validate |
| 20:47.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, if I do just the bit on page 143 there (do you have a copy nearby?) |
| 20:48.11 | ScytheBlade1 | The setAllPoints on the <Layer> and the <Color> within the <Layer> are both "no, bad" according to the XSD |
| 20:49.38 | cog|work | ScytheBlade1: what chapter? |
| 20:49.42 | ScytheBlade1 | 10 |
| 20:49.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Creating Textures --> Adding Colors |
| 20:50.12 | Polarina | [Brutal Gladiator's Greatsword] =D |
| 20:50.12 | cog|work | ~fail me |
| 20:50.13 | purl | cog|work, you Fail! |
| 20:50.29 | cog|work | ~unfail me |
| 20:50.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah that wasn't your chapter ;) |
| 20:50.50 | cog|work | no i thought i misinterpreted you |
| 20:50.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 20:50.57 | cog|work | and then i realized i hadn't |
| 20:51.36 | cog|work | tbh, i didn't know that was valid... i thought <Color> had to be part of a <Texture> within a layer |
| 20:51.56 | ScytheBlade1 | XSD says only Texture or FontString is valid there |
| 20:52.07 | cog|work | which is exactly what my understanding was |
| 20:52.08 | ScytheBlade1 | And missing <Texture> tags would make sense |
| 20:52.29 | cog|work | cladhaire: do you think that may have been a bug in the book? |
| 20:52.54 | ScytheBlade1 | You'll see how it also has setAllPoints="true" in the <Layer> tag... XSD says "stop that" too |
| 20:52.59 | cog|work | the paragraph makes mention of creating a texture, so it may just be a missing <Texture> tag |
| 20:53.04 | cog|work | scy |
| 20:53.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh order |
| 20:53.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Well there is only level="" defined there too |
| 20:53.28 | cladhaire | there is a missing texture |
| 20:53.29 | cladhaire | wtf |
| 20:54.12 | cog|work | it should be <Layer level="BACKGROUND"><Texture setAllPoints="true"><Color .../></Texture></Layer> |
| 20:54.26 | ScytheBlade1 | That fits |
| 20:54.41 | cladhaire | sorry about that =/ |
| 20:54.54 | Saint-N | ~fail proof readers |
| 20:54.55 | purl | You suck at everything in life, proof readers. I hate you because you fail. |
| 20:54.57 | ScytheBlade1 | And validates |
| 20:55.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Nah no worry, I've got the channel ;) |
| 20:55.11 | ScytheBlade1 | (And the website errata) |
| 20:55.20 | cog|work | ScytheBlade1: #wowprogramming <-- better channel :P |
| 20:55.25 | cog|work | (for book-related stuff anyway) |
| 20:55.32 | Saint-N | lies! |
| 20:55.38 | cladhaire | ikndeed |
| 20:55.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Eh sure why not |
| 20:55.51 | Saint-N | its full of spam bots that link you massive popup pages and sell your ip to gypsyes |
| 20:56.00 | MoonWolf | your book needs a patch |
| 20:56.02 | MoonWolf | brilliant! |
| 20:56.56 | Saint-N | laugh |
| 20:57.10 | MoonWolf | hahaahahaahahaahahaahaahaahaah |
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| 21:05.08 | Polarina | Why can't I send strings containing \000 through the Addon Channel? |
| 21:05.16 | cladhaire | becuse |
| 21:05.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Because that's how it was designed |
| 21:05.25 | cladhaire | you knew this two days ago, why are you still complaining about it? |
| 21:05.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Although clad's answer is pretty good too |
| 21:05.37 | foxlit | Why would you want to? |
| 21:05.39 | Polarina | cladhaire: I'm asking, not complaining. |
| 21:05.58 | cladhaire | Then the answer is "because" |
| 21:06.02 | cladhaire | its a reasonable limitation |
| 21:06.20 | Polarina | cladhaire: What's so reasonable with it? |
| 21:06.23 | cladhaire | well |
| 21:06.24 | Drundia | because communication protocols rely on good old standard C str* functions |
| 21:06.29 | cladhaire | the host application is written in C/C++ |
| 21:06.36 | cladhaire | \000 is a string termination in those languages |
| 21:06.39 | cladhaire | hence, therefore, ergo |
| 21:06.41 | cladhaire | not allowed. |
| 21:06.43 | Polarina | Lua has API to provide the strings length. |
| 21:06.47 | cladhaire | awesome |
| 21:06.51 | cladhaire | the comms aren't done in Lua |
| 21:06.54 | cladhaire | next? |
| 21:07.13 | Drundia | Well, the story is that in C there are also mem* functions in addition to str* functions |
| 21:07.19 | cladhaire | so? |
| 21:07.20 | cladhaire | they weren't used |
| 21:07.25 | Polarina | cladhaire: You're not making any sense here. Lua has API that it gives to the host application (The one in C/C++) to get the strings length. |
| 21:07.30 | cladhaire | oh jesus. |
| 21:07.39 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 21:07.41 | cladhaire | and you're being pigheaded again |
| 21:07.42 | Drundia | So in fact they may be allowed, if we ask nicely and they find time to implement it. It's far from most important thing however. |
| 21:07.43 | Saint-N | home time! |
| 21:07.55 | Polarina | Drundia: I know that. |
| 21:08.02 | cladhaire | Drundia: it was an intentional limitation, they're fully aware of what functions they have available to them |
| 21:08.08 | foxlit | It's trivial to work around |
| 21:08.22 | foxlit | It shouldn't even occur unless you're doing arcane stuff that you shouldn't really be doing |
| 21:08.34 | Drundia | I believe it's not that reasonable for SendAddonMessage() as for SendChatMessage() |
| 21:08.35 | foxlit | Why would anyone want to spend time on it? |
| 21:08.48 | foxlit | "I use null chars because..." |
| 21:09.01 | cladhaire | its completely reasonable |
| 21:09.05 | cladhaire | and we knew about it way beforehand |
| 21:09.48 | nevcairiel | Its always the same, devs complaining about a simple thing because they need to code two more lines of code, so the API is broken |
| 21:09.57 | nevcairiel | use what you have, or dont |
| 21:09.59 | cladhaire | GG BLIZZ |
| 21:10.04 | Drundia | No, we don't really complain. |
| 21:10.23 | Polarina | nevcairiel: No, actually, it slows down and uglies the code by a lot in my case. |
| 21:10.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Not being able to send embedded nulls is a rather common "limitation" that isn't specific to WoW |
| 21:10.31 | cladhaire | then you wrote your code wrong |
| 21:10.32 | cladhaire | sorry |
| 21:10.32 | nevcairiel | your design is flawed, then |
| 21:10.34 | Drundia | All WOW API "dies" at null chars. |
| 21:11.01 | nevcairiel | programming is not only about implementation |
| 21:11.05 | Polarina | cladhaire: You are writing out your facts too fast before even thinking about a possibility that this really is the case. |
| 21:11.07 | Drundia | even events that fire with messages from GlobalStrings.lua will terminate on nulls |
| 21:11.09 | nevcairiel | everyone can implement a given algorithm |
| 21:11.20 | cladhaire | Polarina: no, Im' writing my responses as someone who's had this same conversation with 10 people before you. |
| 21:11.21 | cladhaire | as usual |
| 21:11.31 | cog|work | only 10? ;) |
| 21:11.40 | cladhaire | EXACTLY 10 |
| 21:11.41 | Drundia | indeed, 10 is too few |
| 21:11.42 | cladhaire | he's the 11th |
| 21:11.45 | Drundia | we need more |
| 21:11.47 | Drundia | erhm |
| 21:11.51 | Drundia | am I 12th? |
| 21:11.54 | cog|work | though i suppose most people aren't quite as pig-headed about it... |
| 21:11.57 | Polarina | cladhaire: You're wrong there. |
| 21:12.02 | cog|work | so it's not quite "this" conversation :P |
| 21:12.03 | cladhaire | Polarina: ... no? |
| 21:12.12 | nevcairiel | you really notice who actually studied CS or anything similar, and who thinks he can code :P |
| 21:12.13 | Polarina | cladhaire: "She's the 11th"... |
| 21:12.31 | cladhaire | i don't know what you are, and frankly i don't give a shit |
| 21:12.40 | cladhaire | because you're a different person every time you walk into this room |
| 21:12.41 | cladhaire | hi Bob |
| 21:12.42 | cladhaire | hi Chuck |
| 21:12.55 | cladhaire | Is there any particular reason that simply escaping the \000 characters in your resulting string isn't sufficient? |
| 21:13.18 | Polarina | cladhaire: Who said I couldn't do that? |
| 21:13.20 | Drundia | and escaping escape character too then |
| 21:13.34 | cladhaire | no one, Im' asking if there's any reason that isn't sufficient |
| 21:13.45 | Polarina | cladhaire: There's no reason. |
| 21:13.55 | cladhaire | Polarina: nevcairiel: No, actually, it slows down and uglies the code by a lot in my case. |
| 21:13.57 | cladhaire | kthx. |
| 21:14.05 | Drundia | but may i say that it isn't precisely most performance-efficient solution, but... are null-terminated strings faster than explicit-long sctrings? |
| 21:14.09 | Polarina | cladhaire: You're making unnecessary questions out from another question. |
| 21:14.19 | cladhaire | Bwhat? |
| 21:14.28 | Polarina | cladhaire: I asked WHY!! |
| 21:14.35 | cladhaire | yes, and my answer was because |
| 21:14.40 | cladhaire | and then i further elaborated on possibly reasons why |
| 21:14.49 | Polarina | cladhaire: If you don't have a useful answer, don't answer it! |
| 21:14.52 | cncfanatics | whats happening ? |
| 21:14.59 | cladhaire | since 1.) this isn't the channel to ask a blizzard employee something like that, and 2.) any non-blizzard employees in the room wouldn't be able to ask it. |
| 21:15.00 | cncfanatics | I check the #wowuidev chan and the first word I see is pig-headed |
| 21:15.04 | Polarina | cncfanatics: cladhaire is dumb again, as usual. |
| 21:15.08 | cladhaire | Polarina: No, don't ask a question if you know you can't get an answer |
| 21:15.15 | cladhaire | I gave you potential answers |
| 21:15.29 | Polarina | cladhaire: Only dumb answers that don't make any sense at all. |
| 21:15.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Polarina: sadly, clad is also the one with the +o - in addition to actually giving you an answer here |
| 21:15.35 | cladhaire | ... |
| 21:15.37 | cladhaire | actually |
| 21:15.38 | Polarina | 21:14 /ignore cladhaire |
| 21:15.39 | cladhaire | my answers all made sense |
| 21:15.47 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+b Polarina!*@*] by cladhaire |
| 21:15.47 | *** kick/#WoWUIDev [Polarina!i=jnw@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/cladhaire] by cladhaire (enjoy your vacation) |
| 21:15.54 | cladhaire | ignore that bitch |
| 21:15.59 | MoonWolf | thats a ... nick ban |
| 21:16.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Well |
| 21:16.05 | ScytheBlade1 | See |
| 21:16.05 | cladhaire | yes |
| 21:16.08 | cladhaire | and i don't intend it to stick |
| 21:16.26 | cncfanatics | what happened ? |
| 21:16.39 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-b Polarina!*@*] by cladhaire |
| 21:16.40 | ScytheBlade1 | cncfanatics: whining, that's about it |
| 21:16.50 | Drundia | nothing really. she just ignored him and he kicked her... |
| 21:16.52 | cog|work | ScytheBlade1: +incessant |
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| 21:16.56 | cog|work | i.e. nothing new :P |
| 21:17.03 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 21:17.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 21:17.22 | Polarina | Who wants coffee? |
| 21:17.28 | Drundia | me please! |
| 21:17.37 | cncfanatics | meh :p |
| 21:17.41 | cladhaire | i have the most delicious dark coffee with chocolate in it |
| 21:17.42 | cladhaire | just a tiny bit |
| 21:17.48 | cladhaire | makes my tummy happy |
| 21:17.57 | MoonWolf | bastard |
| 21:18.05 | MoonWolf | all i have is orange juice |
| 21:18.21 | Drundia | cladhaire, can i get some of *your* coffie too? |
| 21:18.33 | cladhaire | it'll take a few minutes for the water to boil, but absoloutely |
| 21:18.41 | cladhaire | i won't be joining you for this cup, as I have to go to bed momentarily |
| 21:18.43 | cladhaire | i have practice in the morning=( |
| 21:19.06 | cladhaire | why on EARTH does ImageMagick on CentOS have 68 dependencies |
| 21:19.12 | Drundia | great, i'll be able to compare who of you makes better coffie! |
| 21:19.12 | cladhaire | pciutils? |
| 21:19.14 | cladhaire | seriously? |
| 21:19.42 | MoonWolf | cladhaire, its linux |
| 21:19.42 | ScytheBlade1 | cladhaire: guessing: ImageMagick XPM support --> XOrg --> pciutils |
| 21:19.48 | MoonWolf | dependencies are good! |
| 21:20.03 | cladhaire | =( |
| 21:20.40 | MoonWolf | at least they auto install |
| 21:20.45 | MoonWolf | i hope |
| 21:20.53 | cladhaire | yeah but i dont like installing a ton of crap |
| 21:21.05 | cncfanatics | its not really crap |
| 21:21.13 | cladhaire | this is what i imagine WAU does :P |
| 21:21.15 | cncfanatics | its 60 depencies of 1 meg each vs a 60 meg package |
| 21:21.18 | MoonWolf | its very usefull... crap |
| 21:21.30 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 21:21.49 | cladhaire | god this server is fast |
| 21:21.54 | MoonWolf | i'm sure every single one of those libs has a use, was designed for a good purpose and with a lot of love and tender cursin gby their creators |
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| 21:30.21 | cladhaire | lol |
| 21:30.24 | cladhaire | it hosed my system |
| 21:30.28 | Lopeppeppy | Ooopsie |
| 21:31.13 | cladhaire | weirdest problem i've seen |
| 21:31.15 | cladhaire | after installing the packages |
| 21:31.17 | cladhaire | all my shells lost their tty |
| 21:31.23 | cladhaire | and couldn't open any new ssh connections |
| 21:31.34 | ScytheBlade1 | o_0 |
| 21:31.52 | cladhaire | reminder: install ImageMagick from source next time :P |
| 21:32.08 | Polarina | Woth! I can pass zeros! |
| 21:32.15 | Polarina | lua> ("%q"):format("Oddi\0ty!"):match("\"(.*)\"") |
| 21:32.15 | lua_bot | Polarina: Oddi\000ty! |
| 21:33.00 | nevcairiel | lua works fine with \0 |
| 21:33.04 | nevcairiel | wow however does not |
| 21:33.08 | nevcairiel | and thats all that was about |
| 21:33.22 | pastamancer | cladhaire: did you upgrade libc? |
| 21:33.43 | cladhaire | thats _possible_ but it still was broken hardcore after a reboot |
| 21:33.50 | pastamancer | eww |
| 21:34.06 | pastamancer | I hope you know how to use ed! |
| 21:34.23 | cladhaire | i can't even get on the machine |
| 21:34.26 | cladhaire | so i rebuilt the cps |
| 21:34.28 | cladhaire | vps |
| 21:34.36 | pastamancer | ouch |
| 21:34.45 | cladhaire | indeed |
| 21:35.11 | pastamancer | I've managed to screw up /lib before... recovering from that is not fun |
| 21:35.34 | nevcairiel | i managed to do a chmod -R on / once ... that was ugly |
| 21:35.39 | ScytheBlade1 | I broke my system linker once! |
| 21:35.52 | ScytheBlade1 | *dynamic linker |
| 21:37.20 | alestane | ~seen lunessa |
| 21:37.22 | purl | lunessa <n=Lunessa@129.7.91.231> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 16d 23h 34m 44s ago, saying: 'Ok folks... I'm out for 2 weeks! See you all again on May 7th'. |
| 21:37.22 | Polarina | I managed to do 'rm -rf /' accidentally as root on a fresh Gentoo installation. |
| 21:37.34 | alestane | That xplains it then. |
| 21:38.19 | kamdis | aye |
| 21:38.28 | kamdis | Los Angeles vacation and guild meetup |
| 21:38.29 | cog|work | note to self: remember to say something about what you're doing in a logged channel before going away |
| 21:38.57 | nevcairiel | cog|work: you know, i always try to do that, but i always manage to do some stupid remark before i leave, so purl shows that =P |
| 21:39.57 | alestane | Mostly I was thinking that Lunessa always used to speak approvingly of Goose, and I just updated it today. |
| 21:40.12 | kamdis | Nice! |
| 21:40.46 | alestane | It now supports any frame on any macro condition. |
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| 21:40.55 | Lopeppeppy | He should be back soon, alestane, I've been expecting him all week. |
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| 21:41.35 | alestane | kamdis: I actually just had quite a bit of fun reading a book called "25 Doctrines of Law: Survival Tools for a Litigious Society." |
| 21:41.54 | enum | yo yo... trying to figure out patterns in lua. Using string.match, I have the pattern (%d+)? %a? (%d+)? %a? (%d+)? %a? I want to be able to match "2 Gold 4 Silver 3 Copper" or "4 Silver 3 Copper" or "3 Copper", etc... |
| 21:42.04 | alestane | Great law book for non-lawyers. |
| 21:42.21 | enum | problem I get is either it doesn't match at all or my first variable get's populated w/ the first number it finds |
| 21:42.53 | MentalPower | enum: you need to do it in three diff sections, lemme pastey my code for that |
| 21:43.12 | enum | yeah, I figured that would be the case... I was trying to one line it :) |
| 21:43.57 | MentalPower | enum: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/87352 |
| 21:44.22 | kamdis | alestane: interesting |
| 21:45.17 | alestane | Explained quite a bit about basic torts issues and trial/appeal procedure if you know how to read between the lines. |
| 21:45.27 | enum | MentalPower: thanks... I didn't even think about the localization aspect of using globals :) |
| 21:45.57 | MentalPower | np :) |
| 21:55.40 | Polarina | Hmm... What methods should I use to serialise a number? o.O |
| 21:57.26 | Drundia | for what? |
| 21:57.30 | Drundia | tostring() maybe? |
| 21:57.41 | Kaso | seconding the for what question. |
| 21:57.49 | Polarina | Drundia: :) |
| 21:57.53 | Kaso | what you planning to transmit a number over |
| 21:58.01 | kamdis | alestane: torts was one of my favorite classes, because the fact patterns were so easy to remember. ;-) |
| 21:58.45 | Kaso | tostring() on a number is exactly the same as just using the integer as a string value, lua automatically tostrings for you |
| 21:59.46 | Kaso | and doing tonumber(tostring( number )) doesnt work in all cases |
| 21:59.46 | alestane | And besides all the Latin phrases like Res Ipsa Loquitur, I actually really like some of the doctrine names in English...."The Fruit of the Poisonous Tree"..."The Attractive-Nuisance Doctrine"...and the doctrine of "Sovereign Immunity" which the author somes up as, "The king cannot be sued, long live the king!" |
| 21:59.49 | Kaso | for example |
| 22:00.09 | Kaso | lua> print ( tonumber(tostring(math.huge)) > 10 ) |
| 22:00.09 | lua_bot | Kaso: true |
| 22:00.15 | Kaso | wait what.. |
| 22:00.32 | Kaso | that doesnt work in my lua! |
| 22:01.13 | MentalPower | lua> tonumber(tostring(math.huge)) |
| 22:01.13 | lua_bot | MentalPower: inf |
| 22:01.21 | MentalPower | lua> tostring(math.huge) |
| 22:01.21 | lua_bot | MentalPower: inf |
| 22:01.26 | MentalPower | interesting... |
| 22:01.37 | Kaso | in stand alone lua its 1.#INF |
| 22:01.37 | MentalPower | lua> tonumber(tostring(0/0)) |
| 22:01.37 | lua_bot | MentalPower: nan |
| 22:01.47 | Kaso | has clad hacked some stuff in ? |
| 22:01.49 | MentalPower | Kaso: thats OS-dependent |
| 22:01.53 | Kaso | oooh |
| 22:01.55 | Kaso | aah |
| 22:01.58 | MentalPower | lua_bot runs on linux |
| 22:02.09 | Kaso | that could well be it them |
| 22:02.10 | MentalPower | 1.#INF is because its running on windows |
| 22:02.24 | Kaso | anyone in wow? |
| 22:02.25 | MentalPower | s/its/yours is/ |
| 22:02.35 | Kaso | does print ( tonumber(tostring(math.huge)) > 10 ) work in wow on windows? |
| 22:03.00 | Kaso | Anyway what i said was still valid, you cant rely on tonumber(tostring(num)) on working everywhere |
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| 22:11.12 | enum | hey, so I've been trying to test this, and I can't get a decent result because the spawn is cycling.. basically, if can UnitGUID('target') be used as a unique identifier between respawns of the same creature? |
| 22:11.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes |
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| 22:12.06 | alestane | I believe GUIDs are unique within a single operation of the server. |
| 22:12.22 | enum | ScytheBlade1: so if I kill x creature, and wait for the respawn in the same exact location the guid will differ? |
| 22:12.31 | enum | ah |
| 22:12.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes |
| 22:12.59 | enum | thanks alestane, ScytheBlade1. Just wanted to make sure I clarified :) |
| 22:14.19 | MentalPower | the GUID for players is always unique, the GUID for mobs and NPCs is unique per server restart |
| 22:14.58 | Kaso | ive not seen GUIDs havent been playing for awhile, how large are they? (what data type) |
| 22:15.40 | Drundia | int64 |
| 22:16.31 | ArrowmasterClass | theyre actually strings |
| 22:17.11 | ArrowmasterClass | since you cant store 64bit ints in lua |
| 22:17.11 | Drundia | well, yes, they are given to us as strings |
| 22:17.11 | Kaso | ofc, but yeh, represented internally |
| 22:22.05 | MentalPower | internally they're 64bit unsigned ints |
| 22:22.29 | MentalPower | they're given to us as hex strings with the leading 0x |
| 22:24.27 | Drundia | hmm, how can we know that they are actually unsigned? |
| 22:24.50 | Drundia | not like it makes any difference since there is no arithmetics done to them... |
| 22:24.55 | ArrowmasterClass | 0xF1300027C8000006 |
| 22:24.57 | ArrowmasterClass | easy |
| 22:25.35 | ArrowmasterClass | that couldnt start with F if it was signed |
| 22:25.36 | Drundia | how do you know it's not negative? |
| 22:26.18 | Drundia | lua> print(("%x"):format(-1)) |
| 22:26.18 | lua_bot | Drundia: ffffffffffffffff |
| 22:26.40 | Kaso | thats a point, there is negative IDs used in wow, the final argument of itemID strings can be negative for instance |
| 22:26.46 | hi11ie | MentalPower: is there any documentation on the | codes for the chat frames? |
| 22:26.58 | hi11ie | other than sparse blurbs |
| 22:27.10 | MentalPower | hi11ie: search for escape code sequences in wowwiki |
| 22:27.13 | [Liquidor] | Joke: What did Batman say to Robin just before they got in the car? |
| 22:27.21 | Drundia | I believe you can try http://www.wowwiki.com/UI_Escape_Sequences |
| 22:27.36 | [Liquidor] | Joke: "Get in the car." |
| 22:29.00 | hi11ie | i found it. guess there's not much besides colors |
| 22:29.18 | hi11ie | no way to do tab? |
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| 22:30.03 | Kaso | just outputting a tab char doesnt work? |
| 22:30.14 | Kaso | I never tried but if newline char works you'd assume tab would |
| 22:30.27 | zenzelezz | not to self, don't use a 230k line file when testing a parser |
| 22:30.39 | Drundia | outputting a "\t" displays "?" |
| 22:30.45 | hi11ie | i can't remember fully. i think it was \t i did and it inserted a weird char |
| 22:30.52 | zenzelezz | *note |
| 22:31.03 | zenzelezz | I swear my typing is getting worse every day |
| 22:31.05 | Drundia | it puts zero-width "?" |
| 22:31.13 | Drundia | so next character starts at same position |
| 22:31.19 | Kaso | wierd |
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| 22:46.53 | Kaso | The newspaper named and shamed Internet search engine giant Google, along with China's own Sohu and Baidu for illegal mapping. Perhaps China is hoping that Google will make its sneaky satellites swerve off to the left whenever China comes spinning into view, or cover its eyes and ears and shout la laa laa laaa. Talk about see no evil. µ |
| 22:47.10 | Kaso | I love the inquirer's writing sometimes |
| 22:48.07 | Drundia | what are they trying to hide? :O |
| 22:50.21 | Kaso | Its not about hiding |
| 22:50.22 | enum | is there some sort of way to get an identifier for a vein? |
| 22:50.36 | MoonWolf | Drundia, nothing |
| 22:50.47 | Kaso | China just gets touchy about maps that show tiwain as outside of chian |
| 22:50.48 | MoonWolf | china doesn't hide, but it likes to controll all information |
| 22:50.55 | Kaso | me speel gud |
| 22:51.04 | Kaso | enum, hover over it and check the tooltip? |
| 22:51.14 | MoonWolf | tiwain, sounds nice , i should go there on a holiday |
| 22:51.31 | Kaso | oh you said indtifer for a, not identify a |
| 22:51.34 | Kaso | not really |
| 22:51.39 | Drundia | ah, it's just about that "part of china" |
| 22:51.47 | enum | hmm |
| 22:51.49 | enum | thanks |
| 22:51.51 | Kaso | http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/05/06/google-trouble-china-online |
| 22:52.05 | Kaso | well not that i know off the top of my head, im sure someone will correct me if im wrong |
| 22:52.13 | Kaso | other than it's x/y coords |
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| 23:18.26 | Kaso | I think i have hit the dotted line in responce to randle's posting of this comic; http://xkcd.com/418/ |
| 23:18.47 | Kaso | couple times recently ive been hungry late at night and decided to make bacon just because i could |
| 23:21.09 | wereHamster | Kaso, just don't eat this: http://www.lastappetite.com/french-fry-coated-bacon-on-a-stick/ |
| 23:21.37 | Kaso | woah |
| 23:21.41 | Kalroth | holy shit |
| 23:21.50 | Kaso | thats good but havent you seen Meat Ship/Meat House? |
| 23:21.56 | art3mis | pure flavour goodness right there |
| 23:22.04 | Kaso | http://www.easyjo.com/?p=26 |
| 23:22.05 | Kaso | http://www.easyjo.com/?p=28 |
| 23:22.24 | enum | MentalPower: are you doing anything in particular to deal w/ possible lag when checking loots |
| 23:22.46 | MentalPower | enum: meaning? |
| 23:22.52 | enum | for example, you click a corpse to loot.. it doesn't pop.. just before it pops you click a mine, or another creatrue |
| 23:23.20 | MentalPower | I just wait for the LOOT_OPENED event (or whatever its called) and scan the loot then |
| 23:23.44 | enum | yeah, but the LOOT_OPENED doesn't specify what it's from |
| 23:23.50 | art3mis | those are awesome! |
| 23:23.54 | MentalPower | I track loot based on GUID (since I'm only interested in mob loot, not gatherables) |
| 23:24.29 | enum | ok, so then how can you be sure the loot_opened event actually tied to the correct guid? That's basically what I'm getting at |
| 23:25.00 | MentalPower | cause I check UnitGUID("target") in my loot_opened handler |
| 23:25.06 | MentalPower | and compare to what I've killed |
| 23:25.16 | enum | hmm |
| 23:25.53 | MentalPower | if UnitGUID doesn't return something I've killed I tack the loot to a generic mob |
| 23:26.06 | enum | gotcha |
| 23:26.17 | MentalPower | well, generic mob is not the correct term, more like I tack it to the zone rather than a specific mob |
| 23:26.53 | enum | I wish there was a way I could "emulate" lag |
| 23:27.01 | enum | would give me a more solid foundation to test on |
| 23:27.19 | Kalroth | What kind of lag? |
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| 23:27.35 | enum | network lag... the kind that would cause an event to be delayed |
| 23:27.41 | awesomeness | yo ppl |
| 23:28.00 | awesomeness | is cosmos legal? |
| 23:28.06 | wereHamster | yes |
| 23:28.09 | awesomeness | u sure? |
| 23:28.12 | KarlKFI | lol |
| 23:28.14 | enum | I guess I could click to loot, then unplug the network, then plug it back in |
| 23:28.15 | Drundia | should we be evil and say "no"? |
| 23:28.15 | Kalroth | Of course it is legal |
| 23:28.18 | wereHamster | no, I just want you get banned.. |
| 23:28.19 | enum | bleh... too much work though |
| 23:28.41 | Kaso | I though that question had stopped being asked like 3 years ago? |
| 23:28.46 | awesomeness | ohh wow what is cosmos exactly? |
| 23:28.58 | enum | cosmos is an installer |
| 23:28.59 | awesomeness | well im new to wow and my friend told me about it |
| 23:29.03 | Kalroth | awesomeness: http://www.wowwiki.com/Cosmos_FAQ |
| 23:29.04 | wereHamster | a collection of useful addons |
| 23:29.23 | awesomeness | like? |
| 23:29.38 | Kalroth | awesomeness: like http://www.wowwiki.com/Cosmos_AddOns |
| 23:29.42 | Drundia | oh yes, cosmos has executable |
| 23:30.34 | awesomeness | is ti like easy to use? |
| 23:30.44 | Lopeppeppy | I've found it easy, yes. YMMV. |
| 23:31.12 | awesomeness | is there a add on where it shows like ur dps |
| 23:31.21 | Kalroth | enum: checked http://www.akmalabs.com/downloads_netsim.php ? |
| 23:31.36 | Lopeppeppy | Combat Stats, I might assume, awesomeness |
| 23:31.38 | KarlKFI | no dps meter atm. |
| 23:31.44 | KarlKFI | CombatStats is dead |
| 23:31.54 | awesomeness | kk well off to install it |
| 23:31.55 | Lopeppeppy | Ah. KarlKFI is da man, I listen to him now! |
| 23:31.56 | KarlKFI | well, in Cosmos anyway |
| 23:32.22 | Drundia | MP, it does actually target mob when its loot is opened doesn't it? |
| 23:32.27 | KarlKFI | there are third party CombatStats and DamageMeters, but they're not maintained my Cosmos staff. |
| 23:32.28 | MentalPower | yup |
| 23:32.42 | MentalPower | and closes the loot window when you select something else |
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| 23:34.20 | enum | Kalroth: thanks, but I run OSX |
| 23:34.32 | Kalroth | enum: Aw, too bad |
| 23:34.40 | Kalroth | I'm sure there's a *nix tool out there |
| 23:34.40 | enum | actually, I quite prefer it :P |
| 23:35.39 | Kalroth | http://ask.slashdot.org/askslashdot/04/08/20/2035211.shtml?tid=222&tid=185&tid=95&tid=4&tid=218 might have some hints then |
| 23:36.27 | art3mis | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SgbWkeHxq0&feature=related |
| 23:36.33 | art3mis | ^^ ofensive language |
| 23:36.45 | art3mis | but by far the best arguement at what should replace the wtc |
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| 23:43.25 | enum | damn, still wish there was a way to get an indentifier for mines, etc... |
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| 23:50.18 | Gilial_ | If I have a table, like "myTable = { {30, "test1"}, {10, "test3"}, {20, "test2"} }", and I want to sort it based upon the first value in each table in myTable (30, 10, and 20), is there a better way than "sort(myTable,function(a,b) _,A = unpack(a); _,B = unpack(b); return A>B end)" ? |
| 23:51.37 | Kaso | function(a,b) return a[1] >b[1] end |
| 23:51.37 | Kaso | ? |
| 23:51.53 | Kaso | why would you use unpack there at all >.< |
| 23:53.49 | Kaso | and your code does not actually do what you say anyway |
| 23:53.51 | Legorol | not to mention that code is bugged |
| 23:54.17 | Kaso | hehe worked clocked it before you Legorol ! |
| 23:54.18 | Legorol | _,A = unpack(a) will fetch the string portion into A, not the number |
| 23:54.23 | Legorol | lol Kaelten |
| 23:54.25 | Legorol | >.< |
| 23:54.26 | Legorol | Kas |
| 23:54.31 | Legorol | +o |
| 23:54.35 | Kaso | haha |
| 23:54.38 | Legorol | tab-completion ftl |
| 23:54.39 | Kaso | double fail |
| 23:54.39 | Kaelten | :P |
| 23:54.51 | Legorol | sorry Kaelten, didn't mean to ping you |
| 23:55.08 | Kaelten | :P |
| 23:55.16 | Gilial_ | Whoopsie, I typed it in IRC backwards, was A,_ and B,_ respectively. |
| 23:55.39 | Kaso | but yeh, dont use unpack there |
| 23:55.52 | Gilial_ | Okay, thanks. |
| 23:56.08 | Gilial_ | I'm learning as I go :P |
| 23:56.29 | Kaso | i guess you havent programmed in another language before? |
| 23:56.52 | Kaso | array indexing like that is fairly universal in programming |
| 23:59.09 | Gilial_ | I've programmed a bit here and there. I just didn't think it'd do it like that. Now I know. |
