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| 00:07.59 | sag_ich_nicht | ~XML |
| 00:08.00 | purl | Some people, when confronted with a problem, think 'I know, I'll use XML.' Now they have two problems. |
| 00:08.08 | sag_ich_nicht | gah |
| 00:08.10 | sag_ich_nicht | i stab you purl |
| 00:08.44 | sag_ich_nicht | purl i stab you |
| 00:08.45 | purl | You stab you? |
| 00:08.47 | sag_ich_nicht | no |
| 00:08.48 | sag_ich_nicht | D: |
| 00:09.48 | ckknight | ~literal XML |
| 00:09.48 | purl | "xml" is "<reply>(Some people, when confronted with a problem, think 'I know, I'll use XML.' Now they have two problems.|XML is like violence: if it's not working, you aren't using enough of it.)" |
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| 00:14.28 | Guest279 | Hi i have a cosmos question as usual |
| 00:14.47 | AnduinLothar | you have no name. how would we know what's usual |
| 00:15.00 | Guest279 | Well it wouldnt let me log in |
| 00:15.32 | Guest279 | Alright well ill try to explain this as best as I can |
| 00:16.17 | Guest279 | When i go to sell something from a vendor the price is more justified to the left and is obscuring the text of the item |
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| 00:17.17 | AnduinLothar | you mean buy somehting from a vendor? |
| 00:17.24 | Guest279 | well buy or sell |
| 00:18.29 | bleeter | wow... apparently locks can summon non-attuned folks straight into MC/BWL/Ony |
| 00:18.45 | NightHawkTheSane | orly? |
| 00:18.46 | AnduinLothar | where's the $ you're talkign about? |
| 00:18.48 | bleeter | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6248646192&postId=62478949595&sid=1#70 |
| 00:19.48 | Guest279 | Where it shows the price the item sells for in my inventory the price is left aligned and is obscuring the tex |
| 00:21.42 | AnduinLothar | screenshot it |
| 00:21.47 | Guest279 | ok |
| 00:21.55 | Guest279 | let me get to the refuge point in arathi |
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| 00:27.53 | Guest141 | hope my name works |
| 00:27.55 | Guest141 | damn |
| 00:28.01 | Guest141 | ok where should i put the ss up at |
| 00:28.03 | Guest141 | on the forum>? |
| 00:34.53 | Crysli | Noo don't stab Adobe |
| 00:37.02 | MentalPower | y not? |
| 00:37.47 | Crysli | Because it takes a while to stab everyone working there |
| 00:37.58 | Crysli | Just stab the boss. |
| 00:38.11 | MentalPower | ok... |
| 00:38.22 | MentalPower | better? |
| 00:38.25 | Crysli | Good boy. |
| 00:38.38 | MentalPower | thanks, I try :) |
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| 00:39.07 | Lopeppeppy | Takes less time. |
| 00:39.20 | Guest919 | Anduin i posted a screen shot in the forum |
| 00:39.25 | Guest919 | maybe you have some idea what im talking about |
| 00:43.47 | Ohcelous | Odd |
| 00:46.50 | Ohcelous | But yeah when i go to sell something if its more than a single amount like 50s or 5g the first amount obscures the text when selling |
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| 00:58.27 | WobWork | ahahaha@OSC's response to the Rowling Debacle |
| 00:59.45 | WobWork | http://www.linearpublishing.com/RhinoStory.html for those of you who don't troll /. |
| 01:01.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Troll troll troll your boat |
| 01:04.53 | Xinhuan | isn't that news a bit old ;p |
| 01:05.00 | Xinhuan | like a week or so |
| 01:05.40 | Xinhuan | oh its a blog |
| 01:05.41 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 01:05.57 | Cide | anyone here played zelda: oot? |
| 01:06.21 | alestane | A while ago. |
| 01:06.28 | bleeter | Xinhuan: and one written by a reasonbly well respected author |
| 01:06.37 | Cide | if I say Kakariko Guru, what do you think of? |
| 01:06.41 | bleeter | WobWork: nice find. |
| 01:07.22 | alestane | Oona or whatever the bodyguard's name was |
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| 01:08.07 | alestane | Who donated her house for public display, or something like that. Been quite a while. |
| 01:08.58 | alestane | Why? |
| 01:09.25 | Cide | well, I need to figure out of it's too subtle a reference to zelda: oot :P |
| 01:09.34 | Cide | I'm thinking yes |
| 01:12.32 | Xinhuan | that's a pretty well written article |
| 01:12.34 | Xinhuan | i just finished it |
| 01:12.43 | Xinhuan | will link to others lol |
| 01:15.03 | Crysli | Yeah, pretty interesting. |
| 01:15.32 | WobWork | hm |
| 01:15.43 | WobWork | ff3b5 seems to have issues rendering pages occasionally |
| 01:15.51 | WobWork | and stops downloading stuff |
| 01:15.55 | WobWork | which is really irritating |
| 01:16.14 | WobWork | It could be some weird interaction with NoScript |
| 01:16.16 | WobWork | but I'm not sure |
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| 01:20.06 | Yssaril | did the PTR just go down? |
| 01:23.46 | bleeter | oO blizz updated their online store. wonder if it works on non OSX/Win32 now. |
| 01:23.52 | bleeter | http://www.blizzard.com/store/ |
| 01:26.16 | Sixen_ | Yar. |
| 01:26.27 | Sixen_ | They finally setup accounts for it. |
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| 01:48.00 | Cide | http://shiki-rynn.deviantart.com/art/Original-Character-Page-2-74062950 |
| 01:48.07 | Cide | what's a good name for the cat/animal in the background? |
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| 01:49.49 | Iriel | Cide: proper name - like Cide, or gender name, like dragon? |
| 01:50.00 | Cide | gender name |
| 01:50.04 | Iriel | I meant 'race' and typed gender, sorry |
| 01:50.05 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 01:50.10 | Iriel | Ok.. hm.. |
| 01:50.10 | Cide | well, species name or what have you |
| 01:50.11 | Iriel | tricky |
| 01:50.15 | Cide | what "is" it? :P |
| 01:51.08 | Cide | aye, tricky |
| 01:52.13 | alestane | It's not quite a ryuu/lung. |
| 01:53.07 | Cide | got any picture of that? |
| 01:53.43 | alestane | An oriental dragon. |
| 01:53.57 | Cide | ah |
| 01:55.13 | alestane | It's almost a Leucrotta. |
| 01:56.28 | Iriel | On a totally unrelated note, i've been finding Ikariam (www.ikariam.com) curiously entertaining since stumbling across it earlier this week -- does anyone else here play it? |
| 01:57.40 | alestane | Hadn't previously heard of it. |
| 01:58.21 | alestane | "The leucrocota is the size of an ass, and has the neck, tail and breast of a lion, the haunches of a stag, cloven hooves, a badger's head, and a mouth that opens from ear to ear, with ridges of bone instead of teeth. It is the swiftest of wild animals, and is said to be able to imitate the human voice." |
| 02:01.05 | alestane | I suspect that oriental mythology contains better words to describe that creature, although the artist's comment imply that he's a fairly original beast. |
| 02:02.17 | Cide | aye, I'm not necessarily looking for the proper mythological name, but one that sounds the best (since it most likely isn't a properly defined mythological beast) |
| 02:03.05 | alestane | I would go with the Leucrocota if it weren't pretty explicitly malevolent. |
| 02:10.52 | alestane | You might be able to call it a manticore without being too far off. |
| 02:12.02 | art3mis | http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s185/moondoggy_pics/mutatedduck.jpg |
| 02:12.54 | alestane | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:13.03 | Cide | alestane: manticore is nice, I think |
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| 02:13.19 | alestane | Or I just found this: "Haetae: This exists in Korean mythology. It is similar to a lion, but is a fire-eating dog. It has the body of a lion and sometimes a unicorn-like horn. It is claimed that it guards against disaster." |
| 02:13.19 | art3mis | what were those things called in elfquest? |
| 02:13.33 | alestane | Which things in ElfQuest? |
| 02:13.36 | art3mis | the sorta lion tiger thingies |
| 02:13.46 | Zootfizzle | Ligers |
| 02:13.49 | art3mis | thats what it reminds me of |
| 02:13.50 | Zootfizzle | ... |
| 02:14.04 | alestane | I don't really remember lion/tiger thingies from ElfQuest, but.... |
| 02:14.23 | art3mis | most of the drawings for elfquest i saw hat them as tiny pets |
| 02:14.32 | Zootfizzle | They're pretty much my favorite animal. |
| 02:14.33 | art3mis | well not tiny |
| 02:14.41 | Zootfizzle | They've been bred for their skills in magic. |
| 02:16.07 | Elessdy | i thought it was bred for its conflicting instincts of pack and solo behavior and cumbersome size |
| 02:16.59 | Antiarc | Zootfizzle: You said what I was thinking. |
| 02:17.09 | Antiarc | Curses at my slow responses to pop culture quotes! |
| 02:17.22 | Antiarc | Wheeee iron man |
| 02:17.23 | art3mis | http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/7979/cycloop11fw.jpg |
| 02:17.29 | WobWork | http://www.cualquiera.com.ar/notas/arte.html |
| 02:17.36 | Zootfizzle | sag_ich_nicht's addon list crits you for 21000 damage (crushing). You die. |
| 02:17.55 | art3mis | http://www.gotpetsonline.com/pictures-gallery/cat-pictures-breeders-kittens-rescue/savannah-pictures-breeders-kittens-rescue/pictures/savannah-0003.jpg |
| 02:17.57 | art3mis | ^^ i want |
| 02:18.12 | Corrodias | ah, a savannah. fabulous-sounding stuff. |
| 02:18.24 | art3mis | laugh wob |
| 02:18.29 | art3mis | it's a herd of sheeple! |
| 02:19.33 | art3mis | http://www.idiocentrism.com/FishingCat%20XX.jpg |
| 02:20.08 | art3mis | http://www.the-cats-meow.com/images/PeaceLooks/CatMouseBunnyDog.jpg <-- cute overload! |
| 02:20.10 | alestane | Cide: From oriental mythology, I'd say it's like the "shishi" (Japanese rendering of Chinese word for a Chinese mythical creature), a sort of supernatural lion guardian. That's the closest description I know of: http://www.onmarkproductions.com/html/shishi.shtml |
| 02:20.25 | Corrodias | my harnesses/leashes for my cats arrived today! |
| 02:20.36 | art3mis | Corrodias: good luck with those! |
| 02:20.46 | Corrodias | of course they're displeased with the idea at the moment, but they'll get used to them within a week or two |
| 02:20.53 | art3mis | no they wont |
| 02:20.56 | art3mis | you think that |
| 02:20.59 | art3mis | but they wont |
| 02:21.09 | Corrodias | from all i've read, they should (3 different sources about leash training for cats, that is) |
| 02:21.18 | Cide | alestane: many thanks |
| 02:22.15 | art3mis | Corrodias: ive had many cats |
| 02:22.28 | art3mis | the only one that liked/got used to it was the one i had it on from kitten stage |
| 02:22.41 | art3mis | no cat ovr a year unless they're normally VERY sedate likes them |
| 02:22.57 | art3mis | you'll notice it when they walk all slouched over like they're trying to get under it |
| 02:23.24 | Cairenn | art3mis: mine got used to it |
| 02:23.53 | art3mis | yours is either a kitten or 14yos |
| 02:23.55 | art3mis | ;) |
| 02:24.27 | Cairenn | actually, he was about 3 when we moved from NS to Ont |
| 02:24.46 | sag_ich_nicht | [04:17] <@Zootfizzle> sag_ich_nicht's addon list crits you for 21000 damage (crushing). You die. <-- what? it's not that much if you substract the libraries >.> |
| 02:25.19 | art3mis | wow |
| 02:25.23 | Cairenn | and we trained him to the harness for during the trip, since we drove up and needed a way for him to be able to do his business during stops on the trip |
| 02:25.23 | art3mis | i searched for mythical cat |
| 02:25.30 | art3mis | and it took 12 pages for porn to show up |
| 02:25.54 | art3mis | caienn: heh i just trained mine to come when i called |
| 02:25.59 | art3mis | its much easier that way ;P |
| 02:26.15 | art3mis | click my tongue once or twice and kitty comes a running |
| 02:26.29 | art3mis | even if shes like 8 houses away |
| 02:26.36 | art3mis | wifey thinks its wierd |
| 02:28.15 | art3mis | http://www.innocentenglish.com/funny-pics/lolcats/spoon-bending-cat.jpg |
| 02:28.16 | Cairenn | well, ours are always indoor cats, we don't let them roam |
| 02:28.41 | art3mis | i got m,ine from a shelter so i felt sort of obligated to let her outside |
| 02:29.28 | Cairenn | the one we trained to harness was from a litter of barn cats, adjusted to indoor life just fine, next two are both from shelter, ditto |
| 02:29.28 | Corrodias | mine need some outdoor stimulation, since this apartment is boring as hell i'm sure |
| 02:29.59 | art3mis | kind of harness did yuo get em? |
| 02:30.19 | art3mis | the short collar and just behind front legs one? |
| 02:30.30 | art3mis | or the around the front two legs and body one? |
| 02:30.38 | Corrodias | collar and front legs |
| 02:30.52 | art3mis | thats not as bad |
| 02:31.05 | art3mis | as longa s yuo make sure it doesnt trail far on thier spine |
| 02:31.08 | WobWork | It's when the ball-gag gets introduced that you start to worry |
| 02:31.09 | Corrodias | it has a bungee cord! mostly the choice was because it was a lot cheaper than the other one available, haha |
| 02:31.13 | art3mis | they still arent gonna like it ;P |
| 02:31.24 | art3mis | quick snap release? |
| 02:31.24 | Corrodias | i'm sure it'll never be their favorite, but at least i can take them out for a while |
| 02:31.42 | art3mis | the conenctor you tug on hard to "break" |
| 02:31.46 | Corrodias | yeah, 2 snaps (one under each leg) and then the front slides off |
| 02:31.56 | art3mis | heh |
| 02:32.01 | Corrodias | "quick" release, no. they will not be unsupervised. |
| 02:32.08 | art3mis | my cats lost about 15 collars in our neighbors backyard because of those |
| 02:32.24 | Corrodias | i have seen breakaway collars for sale, apparently for when cats get them stuck on something |
| 02:32.28 | art3mis | Corrodias: think about them getting hooked on something at home inside while you're gone |
| 02:32.50 | art3mis | always think about that ;P |
| 02:32.51 | Corrodias | yeah. they don't wear collars, though, and i have no intention of letting them out without the harness. :) |
| 02:33.03 | Corrodias | might have to -get- collars eventually, for ID tags |
| 02:33.16 | Corrodias | once they're not afraid to jump out the door :P |
| 02:33.20 | art3mis | you're gonna only put the harness on for walks? |
| 02:33.34 | Lopeppeppy | I need to get miss kitty to wear one for when I move too. |
| 02:33.48 | Cairenn | leave it on 24/7, only way they'll get used to it |
| 02:33.54 | Corrodias | yeah, or when i'm home just so they get used to it |
| 02:34.08 | Corrodias | it wouldn't be safe when i'm not home |
| 02:34.20 | art3mis | http://www.vet.utk.edu/funrun/images/evil_cat.jpg <-- <3 American McGee |
| 02:34.26 | Cairenn | a properly fitted harness won't be dangerous at all |
| 02:34.36 | art3mis | thats why you get break away ;P |
| 02:34.39 | art3mis | duh |
| 02:34.44 | Cairenn | don't need break away |
| 02:34.50 | Cairenn | just need to make sure it fits right |
| 02:34.52 | Corrodias | they didn't sell breakaway harnesses, just collars |
| 02:34.53 | art3mis | depends how retarded the cat is ;) |
| 02:35.14 | art3mis | i think my orange cat could get stuck on ANYTING if i had him in a harness |
| 02:35.24 | bleeter | bit of a weird arse non-issue that I'd kinda like a couple of thoughts on, so I'm just gunna spit it out and see what you folks think. gunna take a li'l while to type it in.... |
| 02:35.36 | art3mis | of course he's also capable of getting into our neighbors yard and being unable to get back because it's too confusing ;) |
| 02:35.45 | Corrodias | lol |
| 02:35.58 | art3mis | they've got dogs next door so they have that snow fencing |
| 02:36.01 | art3mis | the plastic stuff |
| 02:36.12 | Corrodias | maybe i will leave them on all the time once they're a little less afraid |
| 02:36.13 | art3mis | at one part on our side you can bend it down into thie yard and move over |
| 02:36.25 | art3mis | it spring back up after hes gone past |
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| 02:36.35 | art3mis | and hasnt figured out that he can pull it down to come back over |
| 02:36.36 | Corrodias | the one doesn't mind so much, but the other is terrified for now. she used to be feral, though. |
| 02:36.49 | art3mis | infact even if i hold it down he's unable to come back over ;P |
| 02:36.59 | Corrodias | oh dear, what a cat |
| 02:37.06 | art3mis | hes abuot 12lbs |
| 02:37.10 | art3mis | and 14 years old |
| 02:37.22 | art3mis | someone abandoned him when they moved and he ended up stuck in our back ayrd |
| 02:37.25 | art3mis | yard |
| 02:37.29 | art3mis | so we adopted him |
| 02:37.41 | art3mis | hes the biggest suck on the planet |
| 02:37.57 | bleeter | in CSF recently, there's been a discussion about some file hosted on Curse, that when dropped into the Data folder results in the game playing Gun sounds a lot quieter than what they usually are. the original 'discussion' was to the 'legality' of procedure. What's piqued my interest is that I can see the point of view of people complaining that hunter gun sounds are too loud for them. If they turn up volume so they can hear what's happen |
| 02:38.10 | Corrodias | my little guy loves to sit on my lap :D |
| 02:38.12 | art3mis | so now we've got 4 house casts(2 indoor 2 outdoor) and 3 outside kitties we feed |
| 02:38.18 | art3mis | cats |
| 02:38.51 | art3mis | http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/9146/catsss9.jpg |
| 02:38.53 | sag_ich_nicht | also Zootfizzle crushing blows can't be crits and vice versa :P |
| 02:39.09 | Corrodias | interesting face shape! |
| 02:39.31 | art3mis | evillllllllllll |
| 02:39.32 | bleeter | this 'range' issue with volume levels doesn't effect other classes, as they're all casters and thus no loud 'crack' upon a cast. I'm curious if anyone has any suggestions as to how to alleviate the issue. my only thought is modifying ammo's FishermansFriend so if you're a hunter, in combat, with a gun, which is firing, some volume levels are adjusted. anyone got any thoughts? |
| 02:40.11 | Corrodias | maybe everyone should just replace the sound if they don't like it |
| 02:40.20 | art3mis | i see nothing wrong with replacing the audio in the data folder |
| 02:40.34 | art3mis | then again i dont play with speakers on |
| 02:40.44 | Legorol | afaik there's nothing illegal about replacing stuff by dropping files in the Data folder |
| 02:40.57 | Legorol | those files that shouldn't be replaced can't be replaced anymore via that method |
| 02:41.03 | Legorol | (if i remember correctly) |
| 02:41.06 | Corrodias | this is true |
| 02:41.24 | Corrodias | there are other ways for other files, and blizzard appears to have no interest in banning anybody for it unless they use it to cheat |
| 02:41.28 | Legorol | so, going with Occam's Razor's and the usual practice that Blizzard tends to apply: |
| 02:41.32 | Corrodias | much less so will they care about changing a hunter's gun sound. |
| 02:41.33 | bleeter | Legorol: there was a partial debate about whether it was still messing with Blizz's intellectual property. |
| 02:41.34 | Legorol | if you can do it, it's allowed |
| 02:42.13 | Corrodias | no, "messing" with their IP would be if you used their gun sound in another context without their permission |
| 02:42.19 | Legorol | bleeter: that is an interesting theoretical debate, however has nothing to do with the practicality of whether a) is not allowed b) blizz would ban you for it |
| 02:42.27 | Corrodias | using your own sound in their context is not |
| 02:42.29 | art3mis | http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d00_1209560772 <--zomg |
| 02:42.56 | Legorol | with one exception, Blizzard stance in similar cases has always been that if you can do it, it's allowed, unless told otherwise |
| 02:43.02 | Legorol | Blizzard tends to speak up once something is not allowed |
| 02:43.05 | Legorol | or disables it |
| 02:43.07 | Legorol | or both |
| 02:43.18 | Legorol | Also, use common sense: is it giving you unfair advantage? |
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| 02:43.34 | Corrodias | (and note, not going deaf isn't unfair) |
| 02:43.42 | Legorol | Same with Addons: strictly speaking, it's not true that you are allowed to do anything that you can achieve in Lua/XML only. |
| 02:43.51 | bleeter | fair enough hehe, thanks for the thoughts and input. really appreciate it :) |
| 02:43.57 | Corrodias | np |
| 02:44.02 | Legorol | Blizzard has stated that it's not so clearcut: it's what you do with it that matters. |
| 02:44.36 | Legorol | however, historically they haven't gotten out the banstick if you achieved something with just Lua/XML |
| 02:44.41 | Legorol | but they left the option open ;-) |
| 02:44.45 | bleeter | do you guys mind if I quote your thoughts back into CSF? |
| 02:45.05 | bleeter | we've been searching for a few days for a reasonable bunch of responses, to be honest this is the first we've got :) |
| 02:45.17 | Legorol | bleeter: i hereby give you permission (as the copyright holder of the gibberish i just typed) for you to copy, reproduce, duplicate, distribute or otherwise disseminate part or all of the nonsense i have typed above |
| 02:45.30 | bleeter | haha |
| 02:45.41 | Corrodias | sure |
| 02:46.07 | Legorol | oh, i forgot to add: this is a non-exclusive licence which is valid until terminated by me at my sole discretion |
| 02:48.40 | Seerah | hehe |
| 02:49.13 | art3mis | heh i was reading your ame as lopepppepeppepeppy |
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| 02:49.35 | art3mis | and thought sole discretion might be a touch fickle what with the boobies and lack of penis thing |
| 02:49.46 | art3mis | then i realized you werent her |
| 02:50.38 | art3mis | bleeter: keep in mind that music like skinning is legal to a degree, as long as it doesnt exploit the game mechanics and handicap everyone else it's fine ;P |
| 02:51.02 | art3mis | ie. changing the colour of your robe for you and only you vs making the gates in BGs blades of grasee ;P |
| 02:51.05 | art3mis | grass |
| 02:52.51 | art3mis | http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/04/scientists-prov.html |
| 02:53.12 | art3mis | whats csf btw? |
| 02:53.23 | Pranda | Is there a way to pass multiple arguments returned from something? e.g. SomeFunc(select(1-3,string.match("Testing 123 24 36 47 59 621 4347","(%w+) (%d+) (%d+) (%d+)")))? |
| 02:53.29 | Guillotine | customer service forum |
| 02:53.32 | art3mis | oh |
| 02:53.52 | art3mis | Pranda: use the luabot and find out ;P |
| 02:53.55 | Legorol | Pranda: yes and no |
| 02:54.24 | Legorol | You can pass multiple return values if you are passing them as the last set of things in the list of arguments |
| 02:54.44 | Pranda | You mean with ...? |
| 02:55.35 | Pranda | But how would I do it with something passed from a function? |
| 02:55.38 | Legorol | lua> function doesReturn() return 100, 200, 300; end; function callMe(a, b, c, d, e) print(a,b,c,d,e); end; callMe(1,2,3,4,5); callMe(1,doesReturn(),3,4,5); callMe(1,2,doesReturn()); |
| 02:55.38 | lua_bot | Legorol: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 1, 100, 3, 4, 5, 1, 2, 100, 200, 300 |
| 02:55.40 | Tekkub | http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/alb/621862265.html |
| 02:55.41 | Legorol | oops |
| 02:55.56 | Legorol | well you get the idea |
| 02:55.57 | bleeter | art3mis: the forum run by the GMs |
| 02:56.05 | Legorol | notice the two examples that use doesReturn |
| 02:56.26 | Legorol | when doesReturn() is not the last one in the list, only the first return value is passed, otherwise all the return values are passed |
| 02:56.44 | Legorol | Pranda: feel free to ask for clarification, i'm happy to explain further |
| 02:56.59 | Pranda | Legorol: i think I get it. thanks |
| 02:57.36 | Legorol | lua> function doesReturn() return 100, 200, 300; end; function callMe(a, b, c, d, e) print(a,b,c,d,e); end; callMe(1,2,3,4,5); callMe(1,doesReturn(),3,4,5); callMe(1,2,doesReturn()); callMe(1,doesReturn()); callMe(1,2,3,doesReturn()); callMe(doesReturn()); callMe(doesReturn(),4,5); |
| 02:57.36 | lua_bot | Legorol: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 1, 100, 3, 4, 5, 1, 2, 100, 200, 300, 1, 100, 200, 300, nil, 1, 2, 3, 100, 200, 100, 200, 300, nil, nil, 100, 4, 5, nil, nil |
| 02:57.42 | Legorol | there you go, couple more examples |
| 02:58.15 | Legorol | hm, should separate them really |
| 02:58.32 | Legorol | lua> function doesReturn() return 100, 200, 300; end; function callMe(a, b, c, d, e) print(a,b,c,d,e,"/"); end; callMe(1,2,3,4,5); callMe(1,doesReturn(),3,4,5); callMe(1,2,doesReturn()); callMe(1,doesReturn()); callMe(1,2,3,doesReturn()); callMe(doesReturn()); callMe(doesReturn(),4,5); |
| 02:58.32 | lua_bot | Legorol: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, /, 1, 100, 3, 4, 5, /, 1, 2, 100, 200, 300, /, 1, 100, 200, 300, nil, /, 1, 2, 3, 100, 200, /, 100, 200, 300, nil, nil, /, 100, 4, 5, nil, nil, / |
| 02:58.43 | Legorol | ok enough spammage |
| 02:59.04 | Pranda | Thanks a ton :) |
| 02:59.21 | art3mis | i wish WHO open beta would start |
| 02:59.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh haha gg |
| 02:59.32 | Legorol | World Health Organisation? O.o |
| 02:59.34 | art3mis | oh and you can get in the AOC beta by signing up with fileplanet |
| 02:59.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Someone got "NICE RATINGS LOL"'d by a CM |
| 02:59.39 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6248806525&pageNo=1&sid=1#18 |
| 02:59.48 | art3mis | WarHammer Online |
| 02:59.54 | art3mis | i call it who ;P |
| 03:00.03 | art3mis | who/war ;) |
| 03:00.45 | art3mis | signup for fileplanet for 1 month for 6.95 download and verify age of conan beta key |
| 03:00.49 | art3mis | then cancel fileplanet |
| 03:00.51 | art3mis | poof |
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| 03:01.28 | Legorol | so you are paying 6.95 for a beta key |
| 03:01.29 | Legorol | grats |
| 03:01.58 | art3mis | heh yeah |
| 03:02.03 | art3mis | and the game ;P |
| 03:02.22 | art3mis | and a few months of fun |
| 03:02.47 | art3mis | kinna like the war/who beta |
| 03:02.58 | art3mis | pre order the game(which doesnt bill or ship til october |
| 03:03.03 | art3mis | they give you a cdkey |
| 03:03.06 | *** join/#wowuidev Matrix110 (n=bla@pD957ED5A.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 03:03.18 | art3mis | you log in when openbeta starts download client and play |
| 03:03.23 | art3mis | then cancel pre order |
| 03:05.03 | Legorol | but that one was free |
| 03:05.08 | Legorol | this one is costing you 6.95 |
| 03:05.56 | art3mis | not if you cancel after you've logged in and validated the key ;) |
| 03:06.30 | art3mis | takes a day for bank to clear then if you cancel within the 24 hours the charge doesnt show ;P |
| 03:06.50 | art3mis | fileplanet is silly that way ;) |
| 03:07.31 | Legorol | i beleive that's technically fraud |
| 03:07.40 | Legorol | unlike the preorder thing |
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| 03:09.02 | art3mis | heh |
| 03:09.12 | art3mis | i have no urge to play conan |
| 03:09.17 | art3mis | so i havent done it ;) |
| 03:09.32 | art3mis | but technically yuo are correct in the legal 6.95 charge for a beta key ;P |
| 03:13.40 | Tekkub | question for you 25-man raid buff classes... |
| 03:14.20 | Tekkub | do people even bother with group assignments anymore, or do they just expect that the priests will keep everyone in fort, druids can handle MoTW... etc without defining who buffs who? |
| 03:14.57 | Yssaril | anyone have a diff for the new ptr patch? |
| 03:14.59 | Tekkub | I'm sure the pallies still have to work out who's casting what, but for the sigle-buff classes... |
| 03:15.08 | Gotai | We don't. People generally get their own group and then whoever hasn't got one. |
| 03:15.31 | NightHawkTheSane | I think we usually assign groups, but we let each class work it out however they want. |
| 03:16.00 | Guillotine | Tekkub: we just ask people to watch buffs and buff if it isn't up |
| 03:16.06 | Tekkub | working on Cork... thinking I'll simplify out the filters... right now it lets you turn on/off things by class, group, specific players.... it's all really robust and I think I don't need it |
| 03:16.31 | Tekkub | Guillotine, that's exactly what Cork's meant to do, show who doesn't have buff and one-click to cast it |
| 03:16.51 | Tekkub | just when I wrote it was in the days of 40-mans and group assignments.. .and I've not done 25'mans |
| 03:16.56 | Guillotine | right |
| 03:18.24 | Tekkub | what about pallies... do people get picky and want specific blessings, or do they just blanket cast a greater blessing onto a specific class? |
| 03:19.16 | sag_ich_nicht | picky as hell. |
| 03:19.17 | Lopeppeppy | Oh sweet stars. I hate buffing. |
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| 03:19.34 | Lopeppeppy | Picky as hell. In my group the officer chooses for their class, and the members have to whine to them, NOT me. |
| 03:19.44 | Lopeppeppy | They get what their officer chooses and can bite me otherwise. :P |
| 03:19.51 | sag_ich_nicht | i do the blessing assignment |
| 03:19.55 | sag_ich_nicht | and i minmax a LOT |
| 03:20.00 | sag_ich_nicht | liker completely |
| 03:20.03 | sag_ich_nicht | *like |
| 03:20.10 | sag_ich_nicht | so the paladins cry at me a lot |
| 03:20.17 | sag_ich_nicht | especially if we're less than 4 |
| 03:20.36 | sag_ich_nicht | and i'm like STFU N BUFF |
| 03:20.55 | sag_ich_nicht | then i alt+tab and flame zeksie because zomgbuffs failed again |
| 03:20.55 | Tekkub | so for pallies I should give a blanket class greater blessing option that casts first... and then per-unit override that would cast after? |
| 03:21.10 | sag_ich_nicht | yes |
| 03:21.24 | sag_ich_nicht | Tekkub might want to take a look at what pallypower and zomgbuffs ddo |
| 03:21.27 | Tekkub | give hunters salv, then give one hunter wisdom |
| 03:21.45 | Tekkub | pallypower from all I can tell is about coodinating the buffs |
| 03:21.48 | Legorol | oh, pali blessing! awesome topic |
| 03:21.57 | Tekkub | and then the click cast is like an afterthought |
| 03:22.09 | sag_ich_nicht | yes |
| 03:22.13 | Legorol | I agree, there are two disparate issues with blessings: coordination and fulfiling all individual requests |
| 03:22.20 | dylanm | Tekkub: Are you working on Cork? |
| 03:22.22 | Legorol | If you can solve both, you'll make some very happy people |
| 03:22.35 | Tekkub | yes dyl |
| 03:22.35 | sag_ich_nicht | zomg buffs is pretty close to that |
| 03:22.38 | Tekkub | slowly prying it from the jaws of Fu |
| 03:22.43 | dylanm | Tekkub: <3 <3 <3 |
| 03:22.54 | sag_ich_nicht | zeksie just needs to rewrite the blessing priority code and it's perfect >.> |
| 03:22.59 | Tekkub | and the biggest issue is the config, hence why I'm trying to redesign it and simplify it |
| 03:23.15 | Tekkub | lego, I don't intend to coordinate |
| 03:23.19 | Lopeppeppy | PallyPower saves my sanity. Somewhat. |
| 03:23.21 | dylanm | That would be so balling to have. |
| 03:23.25 | sag_ich_nicht | Lopeppeppy: get zomgbuffs |
| 03:23.33 | sag_ich_nicht | it beats the living crap out of pallypower |
| 03:23.37 | sag_ich_nicht | and is compatible with it |
| 03:23.37 | Zootfizzle | Hey, sag_ich_nicht |
| 03:23.38 | Legorol | Tekkub: if you can throw optimizitaion on top of all that, it'd be immense |
| 03:23.42 | sag_ich_nicht | hey Zootfizzle |
| 03:23.49 | Legorol | for example, the pali with imp. might gets to do the might on the people that want it |
| 03:23.51 | Zootfizzle | I looked into that crash you showed me |
| 03:23.52 | Tekkub | I throw optomization at everything |
| 03:23.58 | Tekkub | but I don't plan on any comms |
| 03:24.00 | sag_ich_nicht | Legorol: pallypower already does that |
| 03:24.01 | Lopeppeppy | sag_ich_nicht, it was hard enough coordinating all my pallies to get one mod, I'm not swapping it now. |
| 03:24.01 | sag_ich_nicht | erm |
| 03:24.09 | Legorol | pallypower? i should check |
| 03:24.11 | sag_ich_nicht | ZOMGBuffs does that already Legorol |
| 03:24.20 | Lopeppeppy | And yes, PP shows who has the Imp so that I can dial them appropriately. |
| 03:24.25 | Legorol | does it have a half-decent optimization code? |
| 03:24.26 | dylanm | Doesn't ZOMG interface well with PallyPower? |
| 03:24.26 | sag_ich_nicht | not pallypower, i mean zomgbuffs, but zomgbuffs interacts with pallypower |
| 03:24.28 | Zootfizzle | And the long and the short of it is that you're using too much memory, and the only ways we have to fix that would likely have negative consequences, so if you want it to stop happening, stop using so much memory. |
| 03:24.29 | sag_ich_nicht | Zootfizzle: and? :) |
| 03:24.41 | sag_ich_nicht | Zootfizzle well that's weird |
| 03:24.49 | Zootfizzle | No it's not |
| 03:24.50 | sag_ich_nicht | because that even happens with lower memory usage than what i have there |
| 03:24.57 | sag_ich_nicht | well o_O |
| 03:24.58 | Zootfizzle | Imagine World of Warcraft as a giant bowl of soup. |
| 03:25.10 | dylanm | Oh no the soup thing again. |
| 03:25.11 | Yssaril | sag_ich_nicht: damn how much memory where u using? |
| 03:25.24 | Zootfizzle | If you dump a semi-truck's worth of crackers into the soup, you won't be able to use your dining room. |
| 03:25.31 | sag_ich_nicht | Zootfizzle my memory was only at like 60% load when it crashed |
| 03:25.59 | sag_ich_nicht | well, it only crashed on /reloadui, before that it's just lua completely breaking |
| 03:26.08 | Zootfizzle | It's not just Lua that's breaking |
| 03:26.39 | sag_ich_nicht | i mean i have 4GB(3.3 actually because lol win xp but meh) of RAM, why does it go OOM if there is still a ton of physical memory available for use? |
| 03:26.56 | Legorol | out of mana? it's not a caster... |
| 03:27.09 | sag_ich_nicht | no, out of memory :P |
| 03:27.29 | Zootfizzle | I'm not going to go into the technical details of why you're running out of memory available to WoW's UI |
| 03:27.57 | Zootfizzle | If you want the problem to go away, you need to use less memory. |
| 03:28.38 | sag_ich_nicht | if you can't get WoW to actually make use of the available physical memory, you should consider making it go down gracefully then at least >.> |
| 03:28.46 | Zootfizzle | Why? |
| 03:28.48 | Seerah | sin: haven't been watching the convo, but it also depends on what you have running in the background and how much work your addons are doing and if they're efficient or not |
| 03:29.56 | Zootfizzle | If we made the exception more graceful, would you stop using so much memory? |
| 03:30.02 | Legorol | Zootfizzle: just to clarify here, is it the absolute amount that is the problem, or the rate at which it's being allocated (ie rate of growth) |
| 03:31.24 | sag_ich_nicht | Seerah: 3.3 GB of physical memory, only 60% used, the pagefile wasn't fully loaded either, I don't see a reason why it should run out of memory, unless there is a limitation due to the way the programming is done, in which case it would be kind of useful to tell users "hey, your addons are using way too much memory, i'll shut down WoW now". You can tell _me_ the memory usage is the problem because I showed you the crash etc., but joe average will ju |
| 03:31.34 | sag_ich_nicht | (tell me if i got cut off, then i'll pastey the rest) |
| 03:31.45 | Cairenn | "but joe average will ju" |
| 03:31.47 | Zootfizzle | You got cut off, you don't need to pastey the rest, because it's irrelevant |
| 03:31.55 | Legorol | sag_ich_nicht: i beleive it's sufficient for addon authors to be aware of the problem, so they can code around it. |
| 03:32.00 | Legorol | joe average doesn't need to knkow |
| 03:32.01 | sag_ich_nicht | "but joe average will just go "god damn it WoW crashed again" and curse, sending an empty crash report :P |
| 03:32.02 | sag_ich_nicht | [05:31] <sag_ich_nicht> (tell me if i got cut off, then i'll pastey the rest) |
| 03:32.09 | Zootfizzle | If you care about Joe Average, stop using so much memory. |
| 03:32.12 | sag_ich_nicht | argh |
| 03:32.50 | Zootfizzle | That's the long and the short of it, again =) |
| 03:32.58 | Legorol | a long time ago there was a #132 crash caused by requesting the list of users in a chat channel with too many users |
| 03:33.00 | sag_ich_nicht | [05:31] <+Legorol> sag_ich_nicht: i beleive it's sufficient for addon authors to be aware of the problem, so they can code around it. <--you can't "code around" using memory except of programming more efficiently |
| 03:33.02 | Legorol | wasn't very graceful |
| 03:33.13 | Legorol | was enough for addon authors to understand the issue though and fix/code around it |
| 03:33.24 | Legorol | well then program more efficiently |
| 03:33.51 | Seerah | hehe |
| 03:34.15 | Seerah | I would say that that would be a way to "code around it" ;) |
| 03:35.04 | sag_ich_nicht | Zootfizzle: okay since you can or will not explain what the exact cause is for whatever arcane reasons, just one question, is there any chance this behaviour will change any time in the (quite possibly very distant) future? |
| 03:35.20 | Seerah | Soon (tm) |
| 03:35.27 | sag_ich_nicht | (and would this happen on macs too? :P) |
| 03:35.40 | Legorol | from Zootfizzle's answer, I don't think Blizz intends to care, unless it starts breaking the default UI |
| 03:35.45 | Legorol | AddOns are unsupported and whatnot |
| 03:36.12 | Zootfizzle | It's not that we don't care. We would very much like this to stop being a problem. |
| 03:36.39 | durcyn | ~whalecrit sag_ich_nicht |
| 03:36.40 | purl | ACTION crits sag_ich_nicht with a mathematically skilled whale named Isaac for #NaN. sag_ich_nicht dies |
| 03:36.49 | Legorol | rofl |
| 03:36.50 | Zootfizzle | The people who are in control of the existence of the problem are the people who write and distribute addons which consume more resources than they need to complete the tasks they're trying to accomplish. |
| 03:37.05 | sag_ich_nicht | Legorol: there's always the bottom of the to-do list for when a programmer is really bored out of his mind while a new build is compiling... i know that fixed bugs before :P |
| 03:37.38 | Zootfizzle | Letting the WoW UI use extra gigabytes of RAM would not be helping users. |
| 03:37.50 | sag_ich_nicht | it would help me. |
| 03:37.56 | Zootfizzle | That's nice! |
| 03:38.03 | sag_ich_nicht | i'm a user. |
| 03:38.12 | Lopeppeppy | Minority does not rule all, sag_ich_nicht. Come out here and play nice with everyone in mind? |
| 03:38.21 | Tekkub | Addons only need assloads of memory if they are loading big DBs of data |
| 03:38.28 | Tekkub | and that CAN be optomized A LOT |
| 03:38.29 | Zootfizzle | You're an extremely vocal member of a particular subset of users, sag_ich_nicht. |
| 03:38.30 | Drundia | sag, notice "a user", not "majority of users" |
| 03:38.51 | Zootfizzle | Anyways, I've answered your question. I hope that helps in resolving the issue. |
| 03:39.01 | Tekkub | I'm curious what addon's the one causing issues here |
| 03:39.03 | Yssaril | sag_ich_nicht: waht exactly did you have in your memory that was that big? like an entire db of everything found on wohead and then some? |
| 03:39.16 | sag_ich_nicht | Zootfizzle: one question left, would this happen on macs too? |
| 03:39.24 | Tekkub | it's been a few days since I looked at someone's nasty ass code and triggered an OCD rewrite |
| 03:39.48 | Zootfizzle | sag_ich_nicht: It probably would happen in a completely different way with completely different symptoms. |
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| 03:40.04 | sag_ich_nicht | Tekkub: just take a look at the pastey: http://pastey.net/87000 |
| 03:40.16 | sag_ich_nicht | but still happen, okay, that's all. thanks for the help. |
| 03:40.26 | Tekkub | CowTip... okey seen enough |
| 03:40.38 | sag_ich_nicht | ~lart ckknight |
| 03:40.38 | purl | stabs ckknight |
| 03:40.47 | sag_ich_nicht | that's the lart i wanted. |
| 03:40.51 | sag_ich_nicht | ~botsnack purl |
| 03:40.51 | purl | sag_ich_nicht: aw, gee |
| 03:40.55 | Tekkub | wait a second.. lib-itemDB |
| 03:41.07 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah. it happened before i used that too. |
| 03:41.10 | Tekkub | you aren't that one that keeps posting all those libs to WoWI are you |
| 03:41.25 | sag_ich_nicht | no, i'm not. |
| 03:41.26 | Zootfizzle | It's important to remember that things that are represented as UserData are likely to have costs associated with them that aren't being tracked by what is represented to you as your addon memory usage. |
| 03:41.36 | Tekkub | just a poor sap that installed it? |
| 03:42.21 | ckknight | sag_ich_nicht: don't lart me |
| 03:42.27 | Zootfizzle | Anyways, just popped in here to address that for ya, I'm outta here for the night. |
| 03:42.32 | Zootfizzle | See ya folks |
| 03:42.36 | sag_ich_nicht | thanks, night |
| 03:42.47 | Tekkub | Hey Zooty... |
| 03:42.52 | Tekkub | fix sorting yet? :) |
| 03:43.02 | sag_ich_nicht | Tekkub: give me a replacement for linkbot, linkslist & quickchatlink and i'll dump it gladly :P |
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| 03:43.26 | sag_ich_nicht | i wonder why he was being so tightlipped about that one. |
| 03:43.34 | Tekkub | ludwig? I don't know I'm not exactly obsessed with having links in game |
| 03:43.57 | Tekkub | ludwig handles everything I've ever needed |
| 03:44.10 | sag_ich_nicht | there's something weird going on. i have a feeling this exact same thing will come back and bite us majorly in the as in the distant future. |
| 03:44.21 | Tekkub | I don't |
| 03:44.23 | sag_ich_nicht | s/in the as/in the ass/ |
| 03:44.48 | sag_ich_nicht | Tekkub well that's good for you, I guess. |
| 03:45.19 | Tekkub | oh god |
| 03:45.23 | Tekkub | that is just |
| 03:45.29 | Tekkub | sag, remove that shit now |
| 03:45.35 | sag_ich_nicht | what |
| 03:45.38 | sag_ich_nicht | why |
| 03:45.40 | Tekkub | I can see exactly why Zoot reacted as he did |
| 03:45.55 | sag_ich_nicht | well then explain it to me, because he sure as hell wouldn't |
| 03:45.59 | Tekkub | ItemDB_FullText is that nastiest thing I've opened in a long ass time |
| 03:46.26 | Tekkub | ignoring the non-need for having the full text of every item tooltip... |
| 03:46.36 | dylanm | Tekkub: Oh shit is that that Saeris addon |
| 03:46.50 | sag_ich_nicht | Tekkub spit it out already :P |
| 03:46.51 | Tekkub | it could be written... well damn near any other way you wrote it would make it take less memory |
| 03:46.56 | Tekkub | yes dyl |
| 03:47.07 | Tekkub | sag, every single item tooltip... |
| 03:47.09 | Tekkub | in a table... |
| 03:47.18 | Tekkub | a new lua table for each item... |
| 03:47.25 | dylanm | I could pretty much tell from the name. |
| 03:47.28 | sag_ich_nicht | wait are you telling me what i think you're telling me. |
| 03:47.30 | Tekkub | with a new string for every line... |
| 03:47.37 | sag_ich_nicht | oh god |
| 03:47.38 | Seerah | that what Zoot said was correct? |
| 03:48.08 | dylanm | Oh man he has a quest one too. |
| 03:48.11 | Tekkub | I'm telling you... 129514 lines of code, a new string or a new table on each line |
| 03:48.12 | dylanm | I hope you don't have that loaded. |
| 03:48.17 | Tekkub | you see the memory issue? |
| 03:48.38 | sag_ich_nicht | well... i have 4 GB :P |
| 03:48.39 | Tekkub | okey, not *each* line one line to CLOSE the table... but still |
| 03:48.47 | Tekkub | so the fuck what? |
| 03:48.49 | Seerah | that doesn't matter, sag. and you know it |
| 03:48.54 | sag_ich_nicht | pffff |
| 03:48.58 | Tekkub | you're a retard to load and initialize all those tables |
| 03:49.01 | Guillotine | sag: theres a quick hack to fix your problem |
| 03:49.03 | Guillotine | make a new addon |
| 03:49.06 | Tekkub | more specifically, someone that wrote the lib... |
| 03:49.07 | Guillotine | add _G to the SV |
| 03:49.14 | Seerah | queue Rolling Stones clip... "You can't always get what you wa-a-ant" |
| 03:49.19 | Guillotine | then in-game, type _G={} |
| 03:49.30 | Guillotine | in /script of course |
| 03:49.47 | Tekkub | 129516 lines of code... that hasn't even sunk in yet... let alone the table/string per line... |
| 03:49.49 | Tekkub | my god |
| 03:50.19 | Tekkub | I have to close this shit... cair... can you blacklist me from ever downloading Saeris's libs? |
| 03:50.37 | sag_ich_nicht | Guillotine what would that do? :P |
| 03:50.45 | Tekkub | also, I need a drink... someone please something strong? |
| 03:50.52 | sag_ich_nicht | you know |
| 03:50.56 | sag_ich_nicht | you could tell him |
| 03:50.57 | Guillotine | sag: Increase the maximum memory usage by about 20% |
| 03:50.57 | sag_ich_nicht | to change that |
| 03:51.00 | dylanm | Man there's no attempt to compress this at all is there |
| 03:51.22 | Tekkub | sag.... considering the mass of libs I've seen and now the code I've seen inside them.... |
| 03:51.34 | sag_ich_nicht | Guillotine why do i kind of doubt that |
| 03:51.38 | Tekkub | sometimes the dog is just too far gone and it's better to put it down... |
| 03:51.53 | sag_ich_nicht | he's quite responsive to feedback about his addons >.> |
| 03:52.04 | Tekkub | "If someone had caught it sooner..." |
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| 03:52.40 | Tekkub | I couldn't give him feedback... my feedback could only come across as a concrete bat to the balls... even if I tried to be nice... |
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| 03:53.00 | sag_ich_nicht | Tekkub: he even responded to that kind of feedback and implemented changes |
| 03:53.07 | sag_ich_nicht | unlike |
| 03:53.08 | Tekkub | there's just no good way to sugarcoat "are you out of your fucking mind?" |
| 03:53.10 | sag_ich_nicht | a certain author |
| 03:53.15 | Yssaril | Tekkub: sometimes a concrete bat to the balls is the only way |
| 03:53.19 | sag_ich_nicht | of a certain addon |
| 03:53.24 | sag_ich_nicht | that track aggro values |
| 03:53.37 | Tekkub | sag, that one you aim the bat higher |
| 03:53.38 | sag_ich_nicht | if you know what i mean *HINT HINT**WINK WINK**NUDGE NUDGE* |
| 03:53.44 | Tekkub | preventing procreation isn't enough |
| 03:54.15 | Tekkub | if you want to try sag, you can point him our way and we can help him see how bad his code is |
| 03:54.24 | Tekkub | but I for one fear he's too far gone |
| 03:54.57 | Tekkub | but he's got to realize that we'll be like a Mack truck at 70MPH here... his code is that scary |
| 03:55.33 | sag_ich_nicht | look just TRY it. i can't formulate the proper feedback as i understand programming but not lua _per_ se, as in i hack my way around in it completely ignoring PIL because i'm too lazy to read it, then commit my POS to the wowace SVN and wait for people like durcyn to flame me for coding shit, then i troll them into telling me how to make it not shitty |
| 03:55.55 | durcyn | yeah, you dumb german |
| 03:55.57 | durcyn | nm |
| 03:56.32 | sag_ich_nicht | i'm lazy, and it's faster that way and gets me what i want, the urge to flame when they see bad code is irresistable to some people |
| 03:56.59 | Lopeppeppy | Um..... |
| 03:57.01 | sag_ich_nicht | not like i'm writing anything big anyway >.> |
| 03:57.14 | Tekkub | sag, we're not the ones using his nasty code or being mean to Zooty about it :P |
| 03:57.38 | Tekkub | if you want to get the guy here we'll have our say, and if he doesn't just /quit we can help him see how bad his shit is |
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| 03:57.50 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o widgertick] by ChanServ |
| 03:57.52 | Tekkub | but, YOU need to get him here |
| 03:58.26 | Cairenn | Tekkub, sag_ich_nicht - do I need to point out a reminder of the rules of the channel? |
| 03:58.28 | Tekkub | and I'm not trying to flame at all, that code makes me want to kick my cat |
| 03:58.45 | Tekkub | Cair, yes? I'm not being mean am I? |
| 03:58.47 | Cairenn | I'm not going to put up with that crap in here and you guys know it - if you want to rip into the guy, do it somewhere else |
| 03:58.57 | Tekkub | there was a reason I never went in WoWI's channel remember... |
| 03:59.00 | Cairenn | I know |
| 03:59.21 | sag_ich_nicht | Cairenn: i'm not ripping into him, Tekkub is, i'm actually trying to make him turn his hate into something constructive :P |
| 03:59.28 | Tekkub | rip in? I've offered to help the poor soul... |
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| 03:59.53 | Tekkub | sag, you don't understand me at all then :P |
| 03:59.53 | Cairenn | all I''m saying is don't invite him in here if your sole intention is to be nasty |
| 04:00.21 | Tekkub | if my intent was to be nasty, I would have never offered to set him str8 |
| 04:00.24 | sag_ich_nicht | and i wasn't mean to zooty, imho he was being mean by acting all tightlipped/"i want to tell you but i can't because i caaaaaaan't". either tell me or don't, don't annoy me with pseudostatements >.> |
| 04:00.44 | Tekkub | I'd just say "fuck that guy, his code is crap, use my shit it's better because I wrote it and you know that" |
| 04:00.47 | Seerah | tek: I'm reminded of that thread of wowace when you said "str8" :P |
| 04:00.48 | Tekkub | but then I'd be Rowne |
| 04:01.05 | Seerah | *on |
| 04:01.22 | Tekkub | Zooty was trying not to say "don't run that thing it's MASSIVE" |
| 04:01.36 | Lopeppeppy | sag_ich_nicht, you need to respect the limits that our reps have. If they can't tell us, stop asking and pestering. |
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| 04:01.55 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+b sag_ich_nicht!*@*] by widgertick |
| 04:02.03 | *** kick/#wowuidev [sag_ich_nicht!i=c64a263b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-7c41c60a8f44abe9] by widgertick (Seeya.) |
| 04:02.21 | Tekkub | interesting... |
| 04:02.29 | dylanm | It might be against company policy to call out user-created addons for being piss. |
| 04:02.30 | Tekkub | wut is a widgettick? :) |
| 04:02.44 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Legorol] by ChanServ |
| 04:02.59 | Tekkub | I'm sure it is dyl... the usual response would be "We don't provide support..." |
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| 04:03.14 | Tekkub | he's lucky they even looked into the issue |
| 04:03.32 | Seerah | *nod* |
| 04:03.36 | Seerah | and /wave widgertick |
| 04:03.44 | Seerah | welcome to the party ;) |
| 04:03.47 | Tekkub | my response would have been "129k lines of code, there's your problem" |
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| 04:04.22 | widgertick | Heh, thanks Seerah, sounds like I missed some fireworks. |
| 04:04.35 | Seerah | hehe |
| 04:04.44 | Tekkub | I have some fireworks for you if you like |
| 04:04.46 | Lopeppeppy | Meh. Popcorns are more healthy. |
| 04:04.48 | Seerah | I think zoot was restraining himself a bit with sag |
| 04:04.55 | Tekkub | a bit? |
| 04:05.00 | Seerah | well... :) |
| 04:05.02 | Cairenn | zoot was restraining himself a lot |
| 04:05.18 | Cairenn | and widger only just barely beat me to the +b /kick |
| 04:05.23 | Tekkub | I don't know how he didn't say "DUDE.... WTF?.... look at it!" |
| 04:05.30 | Seerah | I usually use the words "a bit" meaning a lot but in a way where I'm trying to be.... I don't know.... nice? |
| 04:05.42 | Cairenn | and that's why we love you Seerah |
| 04:05.47 | Seerah | lol |
| 04:05.48 | WobWork | a 'bit' of an understatement? =) |
| 04:05.57 | Seerah | lol |
| 04:06.03 | Seerah | :P wobin |
| 04:06.08 | Tekkub | Seerah, I'd like a bit of buttsex :P |
| 04:06.19 | Seerah | nty |
| 04:06.34 | WobWork | (that's short for Naughty) |
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| 04:06.45 | Seerah | I'm not as witty as you to come up with a better response... |
| 04:06.52 | Tekkub | nice tight... uh... damn y words |
| 04:06.53 | Seerah | haha |
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| 04:07.14 | Seerah | umm..... yowza? |
| 04:07.16 | WobWork | yawningchasm? |
| 04:07.32 | Tekkub | new to yiffing... that works |
| 04:07.44 | Lopeppeppy | .... *giggle* |
| 04:07.50 | WobWork | hm, LINQ is... interesting |
| 04:07.55 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Legorol] by ChanServ |
| 04:08.09 | WobWork | ~staple Legorol |
| 04:08.10 | purl | ACTION attaches a staple gun to a pneumatic nail gun via duct tape, staples Legorol quite well, and hands Legorol to wobwork |
| 04:08.10 | Seerah | hmm.... do I care enough to code in support for Presence of Mind into my poly announce mod? |
| 04:08.16 | dylanm | WobWork: It is, isn't it? |
| 04:08.29 | Legorol | mm can someone knowledgable about nickserv help me a bit here? |
| 04:08.32 | WobWork | dylanm: it certainly allows for a different approach |
| 04:08.41 | dylanm | I don't find C# all that revolting. |
| 04:08.42 | Tekkub | Seerah, I've found caring leads to fear, fear leads to bloated addons |
| 04:08.44 | Legorol | I don't understand the distinction between "set secure on" and "set secure off" |
| 04:08.52 | Legorol | they seem to act identically |
| 04:09.18 | WobWork | /msg nickserv help set secure |
| 04:09.20 | WobWork | ? |
| 04:09.21 | Legorol | either way i don't get kicked if i don't identify, and i need to identify to join channels requiring identification |
| 04:09.41 | Legorol | WobWork: i did that, but i was non the wiser |
| 04:09.41 | Seerah | yeah... was just wondering if I cared enough to add it for myself.... looking at the hoops I may have to jump around to get it in, though.... (using the combat log events to check for poly instead of spell_cast_succeeded) |
| 04:09.45 | WobWork | maybe it's more about hostmark access than password access |
| 04:09.45 | Legorol | that's why i was wondering if anyone has more experience/knowledge about that switch |
| 04:10.04 | Legorol | WobWork: i'm not really looking for educated guesses, but definite info |
| 04:10.35 | Seerah | you know what happens when you "assume" |
| 04:10.47 | Tekkub | you get fat? |
| 04:10.47 | WobWork | I know about assumptions |
| 04:10.51 | Tekkub | wait that "consume" |
| 04:10.56 | WobWork | They make an ass out of u and mptions |
| 04:11.05 | Seerah | lol |
| 04:11.09 | Tekkub | darn asses |
| 04:11.23 | Legorol | the help for "set secure on" says: "If SECURE is ON, clients that use your nickname will be required to IDENTIFY regardless ofwhether they match a hostmask on your ACCESSlist." |
| 04:11.40 | Legorol | doesn't say what happens though if you don't identify |
| 04:11.44 | Legorol | and apparently nothing happens, i tried |
| 04:12.17 | Tekkub | uh.. if you don't ident the person that owns the nick can take it back witha GHOST? |
| 04:12.28 | Legorol | you can always use a ghost anyway |
| 04:12.28 | WobWork | I would interpret that... but that would be interpreting =P |
| 04:12.42 | WobWork | isn't that technically a nickserv command? |
| 04:12.43 | Legorol | even if you DO ident, it can be taken away with a GHOST |
| 04:12.44 | Tekkub | oh, then I don't know? |
| 04:12.46 | Legorol | that's the point of GHOST |
| 04:13.00 | Tekkub | the ycan't PM with your nick? |
| 04:13.03 | WobWork | well using /identify -requires- you use the password |
| 04:13.12 | WobWork | of course, so does ghost... |
| 04:13.27 | WobWork | although I've yet to try ghost while id'd |
| 04:13.50 | Lopeppeppy | I fail at IRC, so this is all greek to me. |
| 04:13.53 | Legorol | i have gone linkdead many times, come back on an alt nick, and ghost my linkdead id-d main |
| 04:14.02 | WobWork | It appears to be a requirement to use your password regardless of whether you're on a computer with an Id'd hostmark as your access list |
| 04:14.22 | widgertick | Sometimes it's good to be a lame nerd |
| 04:14.23 | Legorol | WobWork: use your password for what exactly? |
| 04:14.29 | widgertick | You can be our ambassador to the non-nerds |
| 04:14.32 | WobWork | any nickserv command |
| 04:14.33 | Legorol | i don't seem to be able to do more when "set secure off" |
| 04:14.38 | Legorol | no, i tried that |
| 04:14.42 | WobWork | well it's not 'more' per se |
| 04:14.45 | Legorol | i can't do nickserv commands regardless |
| 04:14.56 | WobWork | it's 'less' if you're on a host that's on your identified host list |
| 04:14.59 | Legorol | if i don't ident, i can't a) execute nickserv commands b) join ident-requiring channels |
| 04:15.24 | Legorol | that's regardless of whether set secure is off or on |
| 04:15.55 | Legorol | WobWork: *boggle* why would i have *less* rights if i'm actually on a host that's on my access list? |
| 04:16.15 | Seerah | can I be an ambassador, too, widger? I don't make a very good nerd... I try, but, I'm kinda a n00b |
| 04:16.17 | WobWork | "Also, if someone tries to RECOVER/RELEASE your nickname, they will need to supply the correct password regardless of matching a hostmask on your ACCESS list. " implies that you can release/recover if you're on an unsecured ident, but on the 'approved' host list |
| 04:16.56 | WobWork | securing the ident merely ensures that someone can't log into your home computer when you're at work and boot you |
| 04:17.06 | WobWork | That's my interpretation of it, anyway |
| 04:17.34 | WobWork | (unless thye know your password) |
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| 04:19.05 | Lopeppeppy | Seerah, I'll cuddle you as two ambassadors to the Nerdship! |
| 04:20.19 | WobWork | You became a nerd |
| 04:20.20 | WobWork | =\ |
| 04:20.31 | WobWork | . o O ("one of ussss..... one of usssssss") |
| 04:23.19 | Lopeppeppy | Cairenn, lady.... you're the original and best, Seerah and I are but shadows of your magnificence. |
| 04:23.23 | Lopeppeppy | Please, teach us? |
| 04:23.25 | Lopeppeppy | Please? |
| 04:23.28 | Cairenn | bah |
| 04:23.31 | Seerah | hehe |
| 04:24.05 | Lopeppeppy | My cat is now high on catnip, my work is complete. |
| 04:24.45 | Seerah | lol |
| 04:25.20 | Seerah | we made the mistake once of wrapping up a new box of catnip and putting it under the Christmas tree with the rest of the presents |
| 04:25.21 | WobWork | speaking of cats |
| 04:25.23 | WobWork | http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/alb/621862265.html |
| 04:25.43 | Tekkub | yea I posted that earlier |
| 04:25.53 | Tekkub | IT'S IN REALLY GOOD SHAPE AND ALL THE FUR IS STILL ALL THERE |
| 04:26.03 | Seerah | ITS REALLY FURRY AND SOMETIMES PEOPLE GET SICK ON IT. |
| 04:26.14 | Lopeppeppy | I love my kitty. She had a rough weekend, not liking my houseguests and just hating me. So I'm making nice now. <.< |
| 04:26.29 | Saeris | Hello there, folks. I've been told my code is a cataclysmic mess and is wreaking havoc, but I can't see the problem, and I haven't gotten any PMs or emails on the subject. Someone care to tell me what I'm doing wrong so I can fix it? |
| 04:26.59 | Cairenn | evening Saeris |
| 04:26.59 | Tekkub | I don't take shit from my cat... piss me off and into the toilet you go... couple of flushes... then find high ground before you let him out |
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| 04:27.26 | Tekkub | Saeris, well uh... how to put it gently... |
| 04:27.56 | Tekkub | 129k lines of code, the mass amajority of which allocate a table or string.... doesn't feel a little dirty to you? |
| 04:28.05 | Saeris | No, no, if I'm doing something wrong, by all means let me know directly. I just want to fix the problems. |
| 04:28.16 | Cairenn | channel rules, same as the site - courtesy & respect - disagreements are fine, just be civil about it |
| 04:28.46 | Cairenn | differing opinions can lead to good code - just don't let them lead to all out war |
| 04:29.02 | Tekkub | You code needs some serious optomizations.... storing mass quantities of data in lua and not going apeshit on resources takes some tricks |
| 04:29.39 | Tekkub | here, simple change that'll reduce your big table there quite a bit.... |
| 04:29.41 | Saeris | I'm certainly willing to learn. |
| 04:30.31 | Tekkub | [1234] = {"Item name", "Weapon Type", "stat1", "stat2"} --> [1234] = "Item name\nWeapon Type\nstat1\nstat2" |
| 04:30.34 | Cairenn | (not trying to scare anyone with my pronouncements, just reminding :) ) |
| 04:30.56 | Tekkub | when you actually USE that string, break it out into the substrings on the '\n' using string.split |
| 04:31.06 | Tekkub | not scared of you cair :P |
| 04:31.29 | Seerah | I think she meant Saeris ;) |
| 04:31.31 | Cairenn | that's because you could just sit on me and squish me to death :p |
| 04:31.42 | Tekkub | Saeris, second thing that stands out when I look at your libs.... Use LibStub |
| 04:31.46 | Drundia | This is pretty much good old memory vs CPU fight. |
| 04:31.49 | Tekkub | it's tiny and does everything you'd ever need |
| 04:31.56 | Drundia | using one string or table |
| 04:32.00 | widgertick | Can I make a recommendation? |
| 04:32.17 | widgertick | Sometimes things like this are better handled in PMs, since they spare embarassment. |
| 04:32.27 | Tekkub | for that matter, go look at wowace's libs, you might find that they cover things you're already doing in your own libs |
| 04:32.38 | widgertick | That's all =P |
| 04:32.42 | Yssaril | Drundia: the problem happened when sag_ich_nicht crashed wow due to too mucm emory use :) |
| 04:32.49 | Tekkub | widgertick, but we already embearassed him when he wasn't here |
| 04:33.09 | Drundia | Yssaril, I had such problem once too after not exiting it for several days or so |
| 04:33.13 | Saeris | Oh, not at all. I'm not embarassed. I'm just here to do better. |
| 04:33.13 | End | I crashed wow from too much memory, so I removed the offending addon :P |
| 04:33.14 | Tekkub | Saeris, can I pose you a question? |
| 04:33.22 | Saeris | Sure. |
| 04:33.23 | End | I was like oh, this addon isn't helpful at all! |
| 04:33.34 | Tekkub | WHY do you need the full text of every item tooltip? |
| 04:33.50 | Tekkub | the game has it, if the tip isn't cached you can force it down |
| 04:34.03 | Tekkub | if the server's not seen the item... then why do you need it? |
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| 04:36.25 | Saeris | One might want to look up an item and its statistics without wanting to link it. That's pretty much the entire point of that library. It's a limited use, granted, but I though it'd be useful enough to write. |
| 04:36.37 | WobWork | hehe http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/sdo/590709564.html |
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| 04:37.02 | Tekkub | well if you want to look up... why not just query the game for the tooltip? |
| 04:37.04 | WobWork | Saeris: Couldn't you scrape the tooltip? |
| 04:37.04 | Lopeppeppy | The "Best" that I like the best is... um..... wildly inappropriate in mixed company. |
| 04:37.12 | Cairenn | widgertick: I would respectfully disagree with you, to a point - when it is intended to be helpful, not malicious, and is done with the civility that I previously requested, conversations like this can be good to be held publicly, since I've yet to meet a coder that can't learn something new - exchange of ideas and processes are a good thing when done nicely |
| 04:37.52 | Tekkub | as I said before, if it was purely malicious I'd have never offered to help... and I got plenty of "What the fuck are you thinking"s in with sag |
| 04:38.00 | WobWork | It reiterates the point that there is no such thing as a stupid question. An ignorant one, sure, but ignorance can be easily fixed. |
| 04:38.18 | Tekkub | there are no stupid question, only stupid people asking questions |
| 04:38.23 | Saeris | Well, like you said, some items might not be available from the server, so you couldn't query them for the tooltip. |
| 04:38.48 | Tekkub | but the mass majority of them are available |
| 04:39.01 | Drundia | And I believe you can't also query entire server item DB. |
| 04:39.04 | WobWork | http://images.despair.com/products/demotivators/cluelessness.jpg |
| 04:39.12 | Tekkub | why not only provide full text for the ones not likely to be... the newest epic gear to be added to the game |
| 04:39.52 | Cairenn | WobWork: http://funtasticus.com/20080425/cute-little-kittens/ |
| 04:39.59 | Tekkub | are you querying to search by stat? or just to show the item's tip? |
| 04:40.16 | Cairenn | WobWork: warning, cute overload |
| 04:40.35 | Tekkub | I need furry porn to counteract Cair |
| 04:40.42 | Tekkub | *searches* |
| 04:40.43 | WobWork | Cairenn: oh god |
| 04:40.55 | Cairenn | tell me you love me :) |
| 04:41.05 | Cairenn | :) |
| 04:41.14 | Lopeppeppy | http://www.dropline.net/cats/kitty/dead_of_cute |
| 04:41.15 | WobWork | tiny floppy ears |
| 04:41.17 | WobWork | eeee |
| 04:41.39 | Cairenn | (sorry for the distraction from the more serious conversation, just HAD to link) |
| 04:41.43 | End | hmm |
| 04:41.48 | Tekkub | putting them in big glasses... yea... |
| 04:41.49 | End | we can't have holy cows |
| 04:41.49 | Saeris | That's a good idea, storing only the latest items's fulltext. If I could, though, I'd like to ask just how in the world I was managing to crash the game due to memory use. From what the game reports, my item text library was only using about 5MB. A lot, yes, but game-crashing? That confuses me. |
| 04:42.00 | End | but with tauren deathknights, we can have unholy cows |
| 04:42.04 | Tekkub | I put my cats in a hamper and spun it around real fast |
| 04:42.27 | Tekkub | until that one time one pissed and it flug around in a circle... 360deg splatter |
| 04:42.57 | Tekkub | 5MB? I don't know |
| 04:43.15 | WobWork | Cairenn: They were Russian blue's right? |
| 04:43.16 | Tekkub | all I know what you were allocating a metric assload of tables and strings |
| 04:43.22 | End | 5MB shouldn't crash it |
| 04:43.24 | Tekkub | all of which takes a lot of time to do |
| 04:43.35 | Cairenn | look like it to me, WobWork |
| 04:44.01 | Drundia | I've made once conclusion that too long functions can crash WOW, but noy due to memory use, there was some other error... |
| 04:44.05 | WobWork | hm, why is it Americans use metric when measuring esoteric volumes like that? And imperial for other stuff... |
| 04:44.12 | Drundia | and they crash wow from time to time |
| 04:44.14 | Seerah | the way I understand it (and I'm not an expert) but memory and cpu are two different things |
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| 04:44.27 | Tekkub | Wob... I avoid imperial at all costs |
| 04:44.34 | WobWork | I <3 Russian blues. They're so fuzzy |
| 04:44.44 | Tekkub | yes, and allocating a table or stirng takes CPU to do |
| 04:44.47 | Lopeppeppy | You know Two Lumps, WobWork? |
| 04:44.49 | WobWork | and they don't look demented, like Persians can |
| 04:44.50 | Yssaril | Saeris: i don't think it was your addon but alot of different things going wrong and your addon just happend to catch our attention in the error log :) |
| 04:45.00 | Drundia | what russian blues? (confused) |
| 04:45.03 | Tekkub | allocate 8 small strings and a table to hold them vs. allocate one string |
| 04:45.28 | WobWork | Drundia: http://funtasticus.com/20080425/cute-little-kittens/ |
| 04:45.36 | Tekkub | Saeris' stuff caught my attention before... but I just didn't have the ambition to offer my help before :P |
| 04:45.45 | Drundia | ah, kittens :) |
| 04:45.46 | Tekkub | I'm still in denial of the 129k lines |
| 04:45.47 | WobWork | Lopeppeppy: I'm reading it right now =) |
| 04:46.32 | Saeris | The vast majority of the tables were re-used, and they were all in array format, and the point of using arrays instead of concatenated strings was so that there would be fewer entries in Lua's string hash table (intended to reduce memory usage). I just don't understand how that could be crashing it. |
| 04:47.09 | Tekkub | but if you make one big massive string... it takes a lot of memory yes but it loads up super fast |
| 04:47.15 | Saeris | 129k lines, though, I honestly didn't even know I've written that many. :P |
| 04:47.21 | Tekkub | and then you can break out only the chunk you need later, when you need it |
| 04:47.39 | Tekkub | delay that processing and allocation off to execution time instead of load time |
| 04:48.15 | Tekkub | 129k is your item tooltip fulltext file, all datamined or dumped in a savedvar probably |
| 04:48.18 | Tekkub | not handwritten |
| 04:48.27 | WobWork | You know, that's a technique that's become more popular nowadays. Instead of complex database table joins and cross connections, we're storing all information in single xml blobs that are accessed through indexes... |
| 04:48.44 | WobWork | not sure how mssql does it though |
| 04:48.51 | Tekkub | Wob, that something not-wow realted? |
| 04:48.56 | WobWork | yeah |
| 04:49.01 | Tekkub | interesting that other people use big text DBs :) |
| 04:49.10 | Tekkub | thought that was just a "fuck lua" trick |
| 04:49.12 | WobWork | with the proliferation of all the social networking apps |
| 04:49.21 | Tekkub | social networking... blarf |
| 04:49.27 | WobWork | true, but it's there =) |
| 04:49.31 | Tekkub | nerds are meant to be antisocial |
| 04:49.41 | Tekkub | even in a chatroom with 126 other nerds |
| 04:49.57 | Drundia | i imagine putting that 129k lines of database in one string making functions similar to php serialize() and unserialize() |
| 04:50.00 | WobWork | didn't we establish that some here weren't nerds =) |
| 04:50.14 | Tekkub | non-nerds aren't supposed to be allowed online except to get their free porn, music and videos |
| 04:50.21 | Lopeppeppy | I am a nerd, I'm highly socialized, and this might be why I'm single. <.< |
| 04:50.27 | WobWork | Drundia: well the majority of those lines aren't necessary as they can be queried from the server at runtime |
| 04:50.43 | WobWork | as I understand it, anyway |
| 04:50.46 | Tekkub | Dru... deserialize is essentially what I'm proposing, except only the chunk you need not the whole DB |
| 04:50.59 | WobWork | on an item by item level |
| 04:51.10 | Drundia | i remember some time ago logging in after patch took 2 minutes of i don't know what and then disconnected me |
| 04:51.26 | WobWork | [itemid] = "insertserialisediteminfohere" |
| 04:51.31 | Tekkub | probably a bunch of forced item queries |
| 04:51.39 | Drundia | yes, most likely |
| 04:51.54 | Tekkub | Wob, or even further... "itemid:data;itemid:data" :) |
| 04:51.57 | Tekkub | like PT does |
| 04:52.15 | Yssaril | rofle i just had a critter parry an attack (granted i am on a lvl1 character but still) |
| 04:52.17 | Saeris | That's honestly more efficient? Interesting. |
| 04:52.27 | WobWork | true, depends on how much info you're intending to store in each item though |
| 04:52.30 | Tekkub | it loads faster |
| 04:52.52 | Tekkub | queries are slower, but you can cache the data from the query |
| 04:52.52 | WobWork | Saeris: it's more in the table creation or lack thereof. Perhaps more about the tradeoff in string storage and table creation |
| 04:53.33 | Tekkub | basically, store the data encoded into a single big string... then when you query pull out the chunk, deserialize it, store that in a table |
| 04:53.47 | Tekkub | the cache table is only created on demand, instead of on load |
| 04:54.07 | Saeris | I had no idea Lua tables were rather slow. |
| 04:54.17 | WobWork | depends on how many you make =) |
| 04:54.26 | Tekkub | allocating them on login is usually |
| 04:55.03 | Tekkub | you're making a table and some strings for every item in your DB... that's pushing memory up more and more, forcing GCs... |
| 04:55.14 | Tekkub | it's all a really nasty thing to do to the user :) |
| 04:56.00 | Tekkub | A certain old mod *coughdiscordcough* stored all it's defaults inot it's savedvars... it had tables upon tables in it's SV... |
| 04:56.11 | Tekkub | that alone took tons of time to load... for DEFAULTS |
| 04:56.12 | WobWork | It's like the difference between having a database filled iwth item info, then loading it into memory on login |
| 04:56.22 | WobWork | and accessing the database on the fly for every request |
| 04:57.51 | Tekkub | (Allocate a table and 8-15 strings) * every item... onload... or (allocate one big string onload) + (string.find + string.split + allocate table + allocate string) * each item that was requested, when it was requested |
| 04:58.38 | Yssaril | Tekkub: any idea if logging out takes longer the more table entries you have vs one long string(saved to yoru SV that is)? |
| 04:59.07 | WobWork | Yssaril: It shouldn't be SV'd, though, right? |
| 04:59.10 | Tekkub | saving out? I'd think a string is faster... the game actually has to serialize the table to save out |
| 04:59.23 | Tekkub | but the idea is to cache, you don't save the cache |
| 04:59.24 | Drundia | speaking of logging out, why does it usually take longer than logging in? |
| 04:59.30 | Yssaril | WobWork: talking in general terms |
| 04:59.34 | WobWork | ah |
| 04:59.43 | WobWork | string would be faster indeed |
| 04:59.45 | Saeris | But what about when you need to check every entry in the DB, for searches? Is it still a better idea to load it as one big string and build the table version during the first search? |
| 04:59.48 | Tekkub | Drundia, you have addons writing out lots of data (An auction scanner)? |
| 05:00.03 | Drundia | but still |
| 05:00.09 | Drundia | why does it all load faster than saves? |
| 05:00.17 | Tekkub | Saeris, searches... well use a trick databases use... generate indexes |
| 05:00.25 | WobWork | aye |
| 05:00.30 | Yssaril | Drundia: read is generally faster than write maybe idk |
| 05:00.31 | Tekkub | because loading runs thru lua? |
| 05:00.33 | WobWork | create index tables to index references you wish to search on |
| 05:00.55 | Tekkub | say you want an index for searcing on a stat... you could do... |
| 05:01.27 | Tekkub | Intellect = "1:itemid,itemid,itemid;2:itemid,itemid..." |
| 05:01.42 | Tekkub | so you can quickly pull out every id that has 1 int, or 2 int... |
| 05:02.07 | WobWork | or tack on the end if it's not already in there |
| 05:02.10 | Drundia | looking up for it is O(n) |
| 05:02.14 | Tekkub | as above, you would deserial those itemids into a table when you first query |
| 05:03.03 | Tekkub | then you'd end up with {[1] = {1234, 1235, 1236}, [2] = {2345,5678,8901}} |
| 05:03.58 | Drundia | Even seeing that reading is faster than writing. Parsing and then running entire Lua code versus some supposedly efficient C code saving stuff..... |
| 05:04.33 | Drundia | Should I blame slow HDD? |
| 05:04.36 | Tekkub | but writing out requires pulling the data out of lua and then serializing it |
| 05:04.42 | Tekkub | and of course, writing it to disc |
| 05:05.04 | Tekkub | loading... it just reads the file into lua and lua executes it as code |
| 05:05.19 | Tekkub | I'd think lua's parser is highly optomized? |
| 05:05.45 | Drundia | And the thing saving variables is highly not? :O |
| 05:05.50 | Tekkub | do you run auctioneer dru? |
| 05:06.03 | Drundia | no, wowecon instead |
| 05:06.04 | Tekkub | no, the saving out is not something lua does |
| 05:06.09 | Drundia | it's about as evil |
| 05:06.27 | Iriel | the output code is in C/C++ on top of lua |
| 05:06.34 | Tekkub | saving out is blue's code, and I don't know if they've heavily optomized it |
| 05:06.39 | Drundia | uhm, so the interaction between c and lua is slow? |
| 05:06.39 | Iriel | that much we've been able to discern |
| 05:06.45 | Iriel | No.. it's fast |
| 05:06.57 | Iriel | but you've still got a table traversal plus formatting plus I/O |
| 05:07.01 | Tekkub | yea listen to Iriel, he knows more than me |
| 05:07.13 | Tekkub | hey, something noones ever heard me say |
| 05:07.22 | Tekkub | enjoy this moment people |
| 05:07.24 | Yssaril | screenshotted |
| 05:07.26 | Tekkub | it won't happen again |
| 05:07.26 | Drundia | Of course that, but isn't formatting supposed to be faster than parsing? |
| 05:07.42 | Saeris | So even for a DB whose values aren't tables, it'd be a good idea to have, say, DB="itemID:data;itemID:data" instead of DB={[itemID]=data, [itemID]=data}? |
| 05:08.02 | WobWork | for saving? |
| 05:08.03 | Tekkub | yes Saeris |
| 05:08.23 | Iriel | I'm not even sure what the 'greater discussion' was about here.. was there complaint that saving variables is 'too slow' or something? |
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| 05:08.38 | WobWork | Well, the more complex the structure being saved, the more processing required to serialise it |
| 05:08.46 | Tekkub | then to query you'd do like... string.find(datastring, "12345:([^;]+)") |
| 05:09.04 | Yssaril | Iriel: drundia's wow starts faster than it exits and where are balming saving to the SV files for it :) |
| 05:09.22 | Tekkub | then do whatever you want with the return, and stash that in your cache... cache[id] = processed_result |
| 05:09.58 | Tekkub | Iriel, my theory was he uses Auc, but he broke dat |
| 05:10.14 | Drundia | WoWEcon has 10 MB SV file... |
| 05:10.22 | Tekkub | I'm sure there's a dozen other addons that could be writing out big SV's tho... |
| 05:10.30 | Tekkub | fuck, there you go right there |
| 05:10.40 | Tekkub | nevermind :) |
| 05:10.56 | Saeris | How about new or changed entries to the DB during runtime? You store them in the cache and only change the string DB at logout? |
| 05:11.10 | Yssaril | Tekkub: ever done SVfile = _G ? |
| 05:11.16 | Tekkub | small warning: my virus scanner recently got a keylogger hit on a wowecon exe I had stashed in an old rar file... |
| 05:11.30 | Tekkub | it was months old... but... dunno just thoguht I'd toss that out there |
| 05:11.43 | Drundia | They said they fixed it and it was a bug... |
| 05:11.58 | Tekkub | Yssaril, back in the Ace1 days, I recursively wrote my addon's object out to SV |
| 05:12.04 | Tekkub | well, I tried, it crashed |
| 05:12.12 | Yssaril | rofl :) |
| 05:12.36 | Tekkub | Drundia, ah okey, just thought I'd mention it |
| 05:13.00 | Tekkub | I stopped useing wowecon long ago... I only used them to mine data from their lua files anyway |
| 05:13.28 | Drundia | That actually sounds good... why don't I just remove most of its SV from saving.... |
| 05:13.36 | WobWork | Saeris: You could, depending on how your string is layed out, string replace or append to your SV string |
| 05:13.42 | Tekkub | Yssaril, that was before I had the "dot vs colon self epifiny" (sp?) |
| 05:14.04 | WobWork | epiphany? |
| 05:14.09 | Tekkub | yea those things |
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| 05:14.49 | Tekkub | Saeris, seriously, research LibStub and the ace libs... I bet you can weed down those libraries of yours quite a bit |
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| 05:15.04 | Tekkub | and of course, optimize your big DBs |
| 05:15.12 | Yssaril | so while we are at auction stuff what is the best auctionhause addon in your opinions? |
| 05:15.34 | Tekkub | I use AucAdv, and I hate how much memory it uses :) |
| 05:15.43 | Drundia | and how much is it? |
| 05:15.45 | Tekkub | but I love it's stat algys |
| 05:16.39 | Saeris | WobWork: If it's a really massive string, though, wouldn't you be using that much memory and probably triggering a GC cycle every time you needed to update its contents? |
| 05:16.40 | Tekkub | lesse... in game... AucAdv, 1.18MiB, filter basic 20KiB, stat simple 2.765 MiB, Stat StdDev 3.598Mib |
| 05:16.57 | Tekkub | I'm in Assenvale, never opened tho AH this login |
| 05:17.00 | Yssaril | Tekkub: anyway to reduce its mem usage though? it alot of data it needs to churn thru (i think) |
| 05:17.36 | Tekkub | static memory, not really... but depending on how you store it you can cut down load time a lot (see last hour of discussion) |
| 05:17.53 | WobWork | Saeris: I guess it depends on your implementation, question could be better changed to "why is it so big?" or "is there a better way to get the information" |
| 05:18.07 | Tekkub | it's a trick all the big DB addons/libs use... PeriodicTable, Babble... |
| 05:18.12 | Drundia | oh right.... scanning newly saved SV files by anti-virus could be slowdown... |
| 05:18.18 | Tekkub | well, all the ones that have taken the time to optimize :) |
| 05:18.29 | Drundia | though it shouldn't really touch them anyway.... |
| 05:18.33 | Tekkub | Dru, make your AV ignore lua? |
| 05:18.36 | Iriel | We also have no idea how heavily blizzard optimizes its I/O code for large streamed writes |
| 05:18.37 | Yssaril | Drundia: lol that could really slow things down :) |
| 05:18.48 | WobWork | Then again, we don't really have any warning to save to SV |
| 05:18.52 | Iriel | They may be tuned for small random writes and so have small buffers etc |
| 05:18.56 | Tekkub | what Iriel said, we know nothing about blue's code |
| 05:18.57 | Iriel | WobWork: Sure we do |
| 05:19.00 | Iriel | WobWork: PLAYER_LOGOUT |
| 05:19.06 | WobWork | hm, true |
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| 05:19.11 | Iriel | WobWork: That's essentially the only reason it's there |
| 05:19.19 | WobWork | Well you could cache the changes to the end, then =) |
| 05:19.19 | Tekkub | except Zoot says it can't handle whatever amount of memory Saeris' thing was causing :) |
| 05:19.19 | Drundia | hmm |
| 05:20.09 | WobWork | Of course, you might want to look into different methods of getting the information you want from the API on demand if possible rather than directly from the SV |
| 05:20.19 | WobWork | thus reducing the need for such a large SV |
| 05:20.25 | Tekkub | exactly |
| 05:20.31 | Tekkub | save as little info as you can |
| 05:20.52 | Iriel | What I've been doing for DB style addons is a number of packed strings and on demand decoding on access, and encode-on-write..My packed strings are still relatively small, if I was to use larger chunks i'd go with encode-on-cache-flush-or-logout |
| 05:21.15 | Iriel | One big string is bad for an entirely different set of reasons than a zillion tiny datapoints are bad |
| 05:21.47 | Tekkub | Iriel, hrm... what about a timer that repacks one entry every second after you've been "idle (out of combat) a certain period of time? |
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| 05:22.18 | Teegtahn | if you use CreateFrame() to create a frame, what happens if you have conflicting frame names, or is that something you have to compensate for? |
| 05:22.19 | Iriel | Tekkub: One 'backing store entry' would work nicely there, yeah... (that may be multiple unpacked entries) |
| 05:22.36 | Tekkub | Teegtahn, you frame is named, but doesn't get the global var |
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| 05:23.05 | Tekkub | at least I think it gets the name.. I never ever use frame:GetName |
| 05:23.15 | Tekkub | cause I don't name frames! HA TAKE THAT! |
| 05:23.30 | Iriel | You need to name them if you want to /click them |
| 05:23.46 | Tekkub | okey, I never name them unless I'm downright forced to |
| 05:24.05 | Tekkub | pbbt |
| 05:24.34 | Drundia | I was actually wondering why /click checks for name, while binding clicks doesn't |
| 05:24.46 | Iriel | Both get the name via :GetName() |
| 05:24.53 | Iriel | the global is set for the first |
| 05:24.54 | Tekkub | cause click has to look up the frame? |
| 05:25.16 | Iriel | I'd hope binding clicks are using the 'first frame defined as X' code in the C++ |
| 05:25.22 | Drundia | no, binding clicks work on unnamed/wrong named frames it seems |
| 05:25.27 | Iriel | whereas /click is written in lua, so has to use the global binding |
| 05:25.30 | Drundia | but they both cache it on first click |
| 05:25.35 | Tekkub | binding clicks probably store a ref |
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| 05:26.20 | Tekkub | okey, enough of this, I need to actually work on Cork if my duo partner isn't logging on again tonight |
| 05:26.21 | Drundia | but if you hack userdata to different frame it just gives you ADDON_ACTION_FORBIDDEN or whatever it was |
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| 05:26.28 | Tekkub | you assholes have wasted enough of my time |
| 05:26.36 | Drundia | binding clicks allow it however before first click, after that userdata is cached |
| 05:27.04 | WobWorking | grr |
| 05:27.05 | Saeris | I'm still baffled how my DB could've been using so much memory as to cause a crash. It happens during auction parsing, I'm told, but the majority of those tables and strings, for each item in the scan, already existed in memory prior to the auction scan. But it doesn't really matter. |
| 05:27.08 | WobWorking | missed that response Iriel |
| 05:27.27 | Saeris | Thanks for the tips, Tekkub; I hope you've found me less dense than you expected. :P |
| 05:27.28 | Tekkub | Saeris, it might not have been solely your lib |
| 05:27.41 | Tekkub | you might have just been the one to push the client too far |
| 05:28.02 | Tekkub | it sounded like sag was the "I have plenty of memory ADD MORE ADDONS" type |
| 05:28.13 | ScytheBlade1 | hahahahaha @ xkcd |
| 05:28.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh man |
| 05:28.25 | Tekkub | Saeris, I expected... well I expected more of a reaction like we got from sag |
| 05:28.35 | Tekkub | but then, we also did most our venting on him |
| 05:29.43 | Tekkub | ah screw it, one last one.... 129k LINE WHAT THE FUCK CHUCK? |
| 05:29.46 | Tekkub | okey I'm done |
| 05:29.50 | Saeris | haha |
| 05:30.08 | Tekkub | seriously, that's the most lua I've ever seen |
| 05:31.32 | WobWorking | It was the best of times |
| 05:31.37 | WobWorking | It was the blurst of times =( |
| 05:33.07 | Iriel | Now I come to think of it, the name check only makes the exploit less convenient, you can always create 20 frames with the same name and switch the global to be the appropriate one. |
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| 05:33.18 | Yssaril | Saeris: http://pastey.net/87000 was the whole error dump |
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| 05:33.53 | Yssaril | Saeris: do you use the getall function for the auctionhouse that gives you a dump of the entire AH in one big swoop? |
| 05:34.10 | Drundia | Iriel, hacking userdata gives ADDON_ACTION_FORBIDDEN |
| 05:34.15 | Drundia | that's for /click |
| 05:34.24 | Drundia | same for real clicking on it with mouse |
| 05:34.30 | Iriel | Of course it does |
| 05:34.32 | Iriel | you taint it |
| 05:34.50 | Drundia | only binding clicks allow changing it before first click |
| 05:34.59 | Iriel | You dont have to hack userdata |
| 05:35.10 | Iriel | X = CreateFrame("Button", "BOB", .........) |
| 05:35.18 | Iriel | Y = CreateFrame("Button", "BOB", .........) |
| 05:35.20 | Iriel | enter combat |
| 05:35.22 | Iriel | make decision |
| 05:35.24 | Saeris | I'll certainly be using your suggestions and optimizing all of my DB libraries. My only question is how exactly I should be storing the [key]=non-table-value DBs. |
| 05:35.28 | Iriel | BOB = which and X or Y |
| 05:35.33 | Iriel | then /click BOB |
| 05:35.41 | Saeris | Yssaril: No, I thought that never went live due to client lockup issues. |
| 05:35.43 | Drundia | yes and then it's cached |
| 05:35.55 | Iriel | Yes, in both cases each name can be used at most once |
| 05:36.06 | Iriel | It's exploitable but it's a pain in the ass to use effectively |
| 05:36.10 | Yssaril | Saeris: its live but will spratically DC you so was jsut wondering :) |
| 05:36.32 | Drundia | then you can only create new buttons for next combat and update /click macros |
| 05:36.47 | Iriel | You could create 200 sets of say 5 buttons |
| 05:36.51 | Iriel | then you have too 'magic uses' |
| 05:36.53 | Iriel | 200 even |
| 05:37.30 | Iriel | Of course, if anyone's stupid enough to do that and make an addon out of it, then i'm sure they'll just lock it down so only the first frame created with a given name can be used. |
| 05:37.55 | Drundia | binding clicks probably don't check for name because you can't really modify it right before click :) |
| 05:38.17 | Iriel | I suspect it's because they figured out that it's only "more annoying" and is no less secure |
| 05:38.24 | Iriel | more or less, anyway |
| 05:38.36 | Iriel | You can get away with far FEWER frames 8-) |
| 05:39.30 | Drundia | one smart decision per combat is probably not a big problem either |
| 05:39.46 | WobWorking | oh god |
| 05:40.00 | WobWorking | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX_K1wb-S9s |
| 05:40.04 | WobWorking | I -love- Tim Minchin |
| 05:40.20 | WobWorking | PS, anyone who doesn't understand music, may not get this =P |
| 05:42.15 | Yssaril | WobWorking: thats awsome |
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| 05:47.11 | WobWorking | Yssaril: All of Tim Minchin's songs are fantastic |
| 05:51.01 | Drundia | Hmmm, I actually imagine that /click checks for :GetName() because otherwise you could use secure state header to change name of button to click on every click and at some big memory cost get some really smart stuff done. In the current way you need (number of actions) times more buttons... |
| 05:51.04 | Iriel | Yssaril: To your earlier question about whether one long string or a nested table takes longer to write out, a nested structure almost certainly will take longer because you have to do structure traversals AND emit the extra spaces and newlines and delimiters during output. The question is whether it's MEASURABLY different.. |
| 05:51.15 | Iriel | Drundia: You can't change frame names |
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| 05:51.40 | Drundia | no wait a second.... in the current way you need (number of clicks) time more buttons |
| 05:51.45 | Iriel | yes |
| 05:51.51 | Iriel | it's there to make the exploit HARDER |
| 05:51.56 | Drundia | way harder |
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| 05:52.16 | Iriel | the proper fix is to have the C++ know which the first frame with a given name is, I'm fairly sure there was a reason why slouken didn't do it that way |
| 05:52.32 | Iriel | I suspect it's "because this is already annoying enough, hopefully people wont be stupid": |
| 05:52.41 | Iriel | or something along those lines. |
| 05:52.43 | Drundia | it wouldn't be very effiecient really |
| 05:52.55 | Drundia | either store all first time frames created by name |
| 05:53.01 | Drundia | ok that's relatively efficient |
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| 05:53.37 | Iriel | or you keep a flag on each frame to say if it's the first created with that name |
| 05:53.48 | Iriel | there's an tradeoff between work-on-creation versus work-on-resolution |
| 05:53.59 | WobWorking | Yssaril: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuvyywwDqBw |
| 05:54.24 | Yssaril | WobWorking: hehe jsut finished whatching that one good stuff :) |
| 05:54.33 | Drundia | you would just run out of memory after 2 minutes if you try to make it :) |
| 05:54.46 | Drundia | i mean that exploit |
| 05:54.59 | Iriel | Depends how many critical actions have to happen during combat |
| 05:55.07 | Iriel | I suspect it's impractical for long fights |
| 05:55.30 | Iriel | but say, 1000 choices between 5 actions might be enough for a short one |
| 05:55.37 | Iriel | then of course, yu have to /reload |
| 05:55.38 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 05:57.32 | Drundia | you would need a header with sufficient number of states and then strsplit returning 1000 string with a lot of garbage around all that stuff |
| 05:58.27 | Drundia | (press button) (1 sec client lockup) (taking action) |
| 06:02.08 | Iriel | you could use more than one header to spread it out, but that makes it even more annoying to use |
| 06:02.55 | WobWorking | ahah |
| 06:02.59 | WobWorking | Two Lumps is great |
| 06:03.16 | Drundia | it's not as much annoying to use as to implement |
| 06:03.25 | Iriel | yes |
| 06:03.35 | Iriel | though the reload at the end is annoying to to the user |
| 06:03.47 | Drundia | and have it not fail all of a sudden in the middle of fight when tank receives some super-annoying-dispel-me-asap curse |
| 06:04.06 | Drundia | reload isn't that needed, we can renew db after combat |
| 06:04.21 | Drundia | only 10 MB memory use increase per combat |
| 06:04.23 | Drundia | haha |
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| 06:20.23 | Fisker- | wtf drysc is a n00b |
| 06:20.55 | Fisker- | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6248806525&sid=1&pageNo=1#18 <-too bad AQ40 sets weren't just recolors of each other |
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| 06:23.43 | durcyn | Fisker-: except...they were |
| 06:29.58 | Drundia | as for that issue, they could as well keep up S3 art for S4 to have it look actually good... |
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| 06:38.23 | Gnarfoz | durcyn: just that the clothie crap, and shaman/hunter, paladin/warrior, rogue(/druid? didn't ever see druid t2.5) each had their own sets of models |
| 06:49.03 | Fisker- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:00.42 | Drundia | rogue/druid are recolors |
| 07:01.09 | Drundia | shaman/hunter are too |
| 07:01.29 | Drundia | so are paladin/warrior |
| 07:01.53 | Drundia | and so are priest/mage/warlock |
| 07:02.11 | Drundia | so yes, tier 2.5 sets (AQ40) had 4 different sets of models for 9 classes |
| 07:05.08 | ramoz | i feel thats better since it's the same item (plate/mail/cloth) with different stats |
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| 07:15.20 | Kaso | So ive got a message from some chick asking to hang out some time |
| 07:15.27 | Kaso | The issue is i dont know who the hell the person is.. |
| 07:15.43 | Guillotine | Need a suggestion for my WoW Purl clone: Should I bother having it say things like "Last I heard, <blank> is <blank>" or should I just assume it is always <reply>? |
| 07:15.52 | wereHamster | does it matter? it's a chick... |
| 07:15.53 | Guillotine | Kaso: Has she won the nigerian lottery? |
| 07:15.58 | Kaso | lol Guillotine |
| 07:16.14 | Kaso | wereHamster, i dont know, jumping blindly in seems a little risky. |
| 07:16.40 | Kaso | Guillotine i think sticking true to proper purl you should have the intros unless <reply> is specified |
| 07:16.44 | wereHamster | are you afraid you'll get robbed? |
| 07:17.02 | Kaso | That's a possibility |
| 07:17.39 | wereHamster | well, ask her where from she knows you, maybe then you'll remeber |
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| 07:22.27 | Zyuu | kinda annoying that we had to disable it several times though :( |
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| 07:29.21 | Cairenn | [Ammo]: when you can, someone is being ... aggressive ... about their concerns about Omen: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6248696594&sid=1 |
| 07:29.55 | [Ammo] | hmm? |
| 07:30.19 | Cairenn | just figured you'd like to know |
| 07:30.28 | [Ammo] | Antiarc wrote omen |
| 07:30.29 | [Ammo] | not me :) |
| 07:30.45 | Cairenn | aw shit, wrong A-tab-complete |
| 07:30.46 | Cairenn | sorry |
| 07:30.51 | [Ammo] | no problem :) |
| 07:30.56 | Cairenn | Antiarc: ^^ |
| 07:32.06 | Kalroth | Service Temporarily Unavailable |
| 07:32.06 | Kalroth | The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later. |
| 07:32.26 | Kaso | what'd it say im curious |
| 07:32.43 | Cairenn | can't get at it now |
| 07:32.47 | Cairenn | same reason |
| 07:40.26 | Kalroth | It's basically a whine over Omen not being updated on varios sites and that files.wowace.com isn't userfriendly and that it's hard to roll back to an earlier version and the poster is out of lube for his night with a bunch of rough sailors |
| 07:40.45 | Cairenn | in short |
| 07:40.46 | Cairenn | lol |
| 07:41.22 | Cairenn | I gave him the answer to his question, he just doesn't care to hear it, it seems |
| 07:42.24 | Tekkub | GetSubZoneText() ==> "Talonbranch Glade " |
| 07:42.29 | Tekkub | fail |
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| 07:43.35 | Kaso | Tekkub, trailing space? sucky |
| 07:43.40 | Tekkub | yup |
| 07:44.07 | [Ammo] | ugh |
| 07:46.38 | Drundia | he's right that it isn't super-user-friendly, though latest version is always available under the same URL |
| 07:48.39 | Guillotine | Alright, I have the greatest request ever |
| 07:48.54 | Guillotine | everybody, start ~larting each other. I need a bunch of ideas for my ~lart module |
| 07:49.01 | Guillotine | ~lart pie |
| 07:49.01 | purl | accelerates a free AOL cd to 50,000 rpm and lets pie feel it |
| 07:49.22 | MentalPower | isn't it easier to look at purl's source? |
| 07:49.25 | MentalPower | ~lart Guillotine |
| 07:49.25 | purl | puts Guillotine through a wood chipper |
| 07:49.34 | wereHamster | ~lart cake |
| 07:49.34 | purl | follow's cake with a gauntlet and ... scratch ... HUMILIATION |
| 07:49.36 | Guillotine | MentalPower: the source is available? |
| 07:49.42 | MentalPower | yup |
| 07:49.46 | Guillotine | o.O |
| 07:49.47 | MentalPower | ~blootbot |
| 07:49.48 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, blootbot is an IRC bot written in perl descended from infobot. Hosted on SF. This project is now merged back into the main infobot project. See [infobot] |
| 07:49.57 | MentalPower | ~infobot |
| 07:49.58 | purl | mentalpower, I love abuse, feed me! |
| 07:50.06 | MentalPower | the fuck... |
| 07:50.10 | Guillotine | lol |
| 07:50.23 | MentalPower | ~purl |
| 07:50.24 | purl | ACTION purrs. |
| 07:50.32 | MentalPower | ~timriker |
| 07:50.33 | purl | [timriker] my owner http://rikers.org/ mailto:Tim@Rikers.org mailto:TimR@Debian.org maintainer of BZFlag, member of a ton of open source projects http://www.advogato.com/person/timriker/ http://sourceforge.net/users/timriker/ the guy who GPL'd SCO's ABI files, giving every Linux user the right to use them ;-), or a very cool guy. |
| 07:51.29 | Tekkub | so my duo partner bitches about his low mana... |
| 07:51.29 | MentalPower | Guillotine: http://sourceforge.net/projects/infobot/ |
| 07:51.39 | Antiarc | I'll start devoting all my time to addressing Omen posts and tickets and documentation and PR when people start paying my salary to do so |
| 07:51.47 | Tekkub | I tell him fine, I'll switch you back to bless of wisdom if you won't pull aggro |
| 07:51.51 | Antiarc | Until then, they get what I can produce in my free time and are free to contribute to the project otherwise! |
| 07:51.53 | Tekkub | next fight... pulls aggro |
| 07:51.57 | Tekkub | back to salv |
| 07:52.21 | Cairenn | Antiarc: not likely to find anyone in here who disagrees with you on that count :) |
| 07:52.28 | Antiarc | I don't expect to :) |
| 07:53.02 | Cairenn | and yeah, he annoyed me too, but figured you'd want to know |
| 07:53.02 | Guillotine | MP: Now bonus cookies if you find where in there larts are stored |
| 07:53.07 | Drundia | set up zillion of donation pages and promise people cars, houses or at least wow "lagandarixes" |
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| 07:55.37 | wereHamster | Guillotine, isn't lart a built-in command? |
| 07:55.46 | Guillotine | wereHamster: yes |
| 07:55.52 | Guillotine | which is why we're looking through the source code |
| 07:56.50 | Kalroth | I disagree with Antiarc! |
| 07:57.05 | Kalroth | Addon developers -owes- their userbase at least 80% of there free time. |
| 07:57.10 | MentalPower | Guillotine: ./join #infobot |
| 07:57.23 | Kalroth | There should be 1-2 days a week where the addon developers sit with users and take requests. |
| 07:57.32 | Kalroth | And those requests should always be added! |
| 07:57.48 | wereHamster | Guillotine, http://pastey.net/87057 |
| 07:58.06 | Kalroth | We got a saying at work; the anonymous wow player on the forums is always right. |
| 07:58.12 | Guillotine | wereHamster: where did you get that from? |
| 07:58.16 | wereHamster | it's from a file, the bot reads a random line from it |
| 07:58.19 | wereHamster | blootbot source |
| 07:58.22 | Guillotine | which file? |
| 07:58.23 | Fisker- | there's no lart in the source |
| 07:58.31 | wereHamster | files/blootbot.lart |
| 07:58.53 | Guillotine | oh |
| 07:59.01 | Guillotine | MP, we're using the infobot files, not blootbot |
| 07:59.12 | MentalPower | http://infobot.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/infobot/trunk/files/infobot.lart |
| 07:59.16 | MentalPower | same diff |
| 07:59.24 | Fisker- | ~lart MentalPower |
| 07:59.24 | purl | takes out MentalPower with the trash |
| 07:59.26 | MentalPower | blootbot == infobot |
| 07:59.37 | MentalPower | (at this point anyways) |
| 07:59.42 | Guillotine | MP: different source files I thought |
| 07:59.47 | Cairenn | Guillotine: nope |
| 08:00.03 | MentalPower | "The original infobot is no more, it has been replaced by the latest version of blootbot, accompanied by a rename back to infobot" |
| 08:00.13 | Guillotine | hmm, well, don't see the file in the source. Guess I'll just keep looking |
| 08:00.22 | wereHamster | which source do you have? |
| 08:00.26 | MentalPower | Guillotine: I just linked it to you |
| 08:00.38 | MentalPower | http://infobot.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/infobot/trunk/files/infobot.lart |
| 08:00.43 | Guillotine | MP: yah, saw that :) |
| 08:00.50 | Guillotine | were: latest from sourceforge |
| 08:01.09 | wereHamster | I downloaded mine from blootbot.sf.net, and it was there. |
| 08:01.22 | MentalPower | then whats "hmm, well, don't see the file in the source. Guess I'll just keep looking" |
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| 08:05.56 | Guillotine | MP: wasn't in the .tar.gz I downloaded |
| 08:06.18 | MentalPower | ah, k |
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| 09:05.58 | Guest421 | hey all, does any1 here use a flight map enhancement? |
| 09:06.29 | widgertick | ~8ball |
| 09:06.29 | purl | ACTION rolls the eight ball and gets: Outlook good |
| 09:07.24 | widgertick | Hehehe |
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| 09:14.30 | Cairenn | if they're showing up in channel as Guest[numbers] - they're connecting via the Cosmos client |
| 09:15.10 | [dRaCo] | cosmos' got an irc client? o0 |
| 09:15.11 | AnduinLothar | and they're just too nub at irc to use a name |
| 09:15.25 | AnduinLothar | lol, cosmos had an irc client before this channel existed |
| 09:15.35 | Cairenn | AnduinLothar shut down the Cosmos support channel because there's like never anyone in there and has it forwarding to here now instead |
| 09:15.38 | Cairenn | yup, it did |
| 09:15.49 | Fisker- | LOL |
| 09:15.55 | Fisker- | Sony claimed copyright on my rickroll |
| 09:15.57 | Fisker- | awesome |
| 09:16.05 | Cairenn | ? |
| 09:16.27 | widgertick | How very Sony of them |
| 09:16.34 | Fisker- | i'll delete it :D |
| 09:16.39 | Fisker- | they won't get any ad money from me |
| 09:16.49 | Cairenn | Fisker-: what are you talking about? |
| 09:17.10 | widgertick | Did they send you a DCMA letter? |
| 09:17.11 | Fisker- | [11:15:51] <Fisker-> Sony claimed copyright on my rickroll |
| 09:17.29 | widgertick | s/DCMA/DMCA/ |
| 09:17.38 | Fisker- | nah |
| 09:17.43 | widgertick | Aww =( |
| 09:17.50 | foxlit | experts-exchange should so be blacklisted from google :/ |
| 09:18.06 | Fisker- | why? |
| 09:18.13 | foxlit | It's the classic bait-and-switch: googlebot sees a different version of the page |
| 09:18.19 | foxlit | compare |
| 09:18.35 | foxlit | http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:mcLeX9AjtpYJ:www.experts-exchange.com/Programming/Languages/Java/Q_20523237.html&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=8 |
| 09:18.40 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:18.44 | foxlit | http://www.experts-exchange.com/Programming/Languages/Java/Q_20523237.html |
| 09:19.31 | Fisker- | layout just looks a bit different |
| 09:19.59 | foxlit | Googlebot sees the answers; you see the "only premium members see the answers" text |
| 09:20.08 | Fisker- | scroll down |
| 09:21.03 | widgertick | It's really a pity, because if they reengineered their website to be non-douche like, they'd get way more business and ad money |
| 09:25.40 | wereHamster | foxlit, can't you set the useragent of your browser to googlebot or something to see the answers? |
| 09:25.58 | foxlit | You can also browse the googlebot cache anyway |
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| 09:26.40 | Wobin | http://community.livejournal.com/food_porn/4568739.html |
| 09:26.49 | Cairenn | hey Wob |
| 09:26.59 | Wobin | hi2u Cair =) |
| 09:29.35 | Fisker- | i hate those forums that converts it's to a text-only format though |
| 09:29.43 | Fisker- | And then when you visit, for some reason it keeps the design |
| 09:29.49 | Fisker- | because you visited the link through google |
| 09:29.54 | Wobin | It installed in under 2 minutes |
| 09:30.02 | Wobin | Why don't we have moer games like this? |
| 09:31.04 | Industrial | Wobin: cuz its 11 years old.. |
| 09:31.18 | Wobin | Still one of the best games around |
| 09:31.31 | Fisker- | your mother Wobin |
| 09:31.49 | Drundia | What User-Agent does googlebot send? |
| 09:32.00 | MentalPower | are the SVN tags $Id$ or $Id:$ (ie with or without the : ) |
| 09:34.47 | wereHamster | I think without |
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| 10:27.45 | Guillotine | G'night everyone |
| 10:27.51 | sioraiocht | haha |
| 10:27.52 | sioraiocht | good morning |
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| 10:27.58 | Guillotine | well, technically I guess |
| 10:28.05 | Guillotine | but I still haven't gone to sleep >< |
| 10:28.15 | sioraiocht | lol |
| 10:28.19 | sioraiocht | EDT? |
| 10:28.30 | Guillotine | nah, PST. So not quite as late |
| 10:28.38 | sioraiocht | still |
| 10:28.43 | sioraiocht | 3:30am, dude |
| 10:28.48 | Guillotine | yup |
| 10:29.20 | Guillotine | Time flies when you're making cool stuff :P |
| 10:29.29 | Guillotine | anyway, night/morning :P |
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| 11:23.57 | art3mis | what ever happened to pez? |
| 11:33.43 | Kirkburn | WoWWiki's got a new main page, but you'll be interested in http://www.wowwiki.com/Portal:Interface_customization |
| 11:34.12 | Kirkburn | It's got a WoWI RSS feed :P (unless that kills the wiki like the main page RSS feeds did) |
| 11:34.14 | wereHamster | looks weird.. |
| 11:34.33 | wereHamster | I guess you didn't test it on a 145dpi display :-/ |
| 11:35.25 | Kirkburn | No, surprisingly |
| 11:35.40 | wereHamster | do you want a screenshot? |
| 11:35.46 | Kirkburn | Sure |
| 11:42.25 | wereHamster | Kirkburn: http://dbservice.com/ftpdir/tom/wowwiki.png |
| 11:43.19 | Kirkburn | Ah, doa full refresh btw |
| 11:43.30 | Kirkburn | Should fix the top right notice |
| 11:43.57 | Kirkburn | Width-wise, I find linux's font to be ridiculously wide |
| 11:44.01 | Kirkburn | *fonts |
| 11:44.09 | wereHamster | the 'patch 2.4 is live - ..' ? |
| 11:44.13 | Kirkburn | yeah |
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| 11:45.11 | wereHamster | the default font is bitstream vera sans |
| 11:46.39 | Kirkburn | It's still ridiculously wide :) |
| 11:47.30 | Kirkburn | e.g. sidebar toolbox "what links here" is normally (for me) one line :P |
| 11:47.49 | Kirkburn | Anyhoo, problem noted |
| 11:48.00 | Kirkburn | All three screenshots of feedback I've had were on Linux >_< |
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| 11:50.38 | wereHamster | even if I set the font to 9 (pt or whatever that means), 'what links here' is on two lines |
| 11:51.32 | wereHamster | I uploaded a new screenshot to the same URL |
| 11:51.59 | wereHamster | but now the fonts are so small, barely readable on my display |
| 11:56.39 | Kirkburn | Yeah, the font I use, Segoe UI, has more compressed lettering |
| 11:56.59 | Kirkburn | Sidebar link text is about the same size, but less wide |
| 11:57.09 | Kirkburn | The text in the boxes is smaller on yours though |
| 11:57.17 | Kirkburn | Gotta love browsers |
| 11:57.49 | foxlit | ew, vista! |
| 11:57.50 | wereHamster | I think it's also an issue with FF, maybe it doesn't recognize the display dpi |
| 11:57.57 | Kirkburn | also, rawr at the ad in the screenshot, need to poke them about that again |
| 11:59.13 | Drundia | steal some fonts from windows? |
| 11:59.33 | Kirkburn | (segoe is a beautiful font) |
| 12:00.07 | Kirkburn | Every time I see ads or documents written in Arial or Times New Roman, I die a little inside |
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| 12:02.44 | [Liquidor] | Hi everyone :-) |
| 12:02.51 | Drundia | they aren't that bad really... |
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| 12:12.36 | wereHamster | Kirkburn, do you explicitely set the font size in css? do you use pt, em or % ? |
| 12:12.48 | Kirkburn | % |
| 12:13.08 | Kirkburn | I don't know what the skin css does though |
| 12:13.19 | Kirkburn | But my main page is based on % of that |
| 12:13.54 | wereHamster | Kirkburn, see http://dbservice.com/ftpdir/tom/wowwiki.png again. Now I have FF autodetect the dpi, no minimal font size, and default to sans size 10 |
| 12:14.20 | Kirkburn | cripes |
| 12:14.40 | wereHamster | FF3 btw, haven't tested 2 |
| 12:17.33 | Fisker- | It's Fx |
| 12:17.34 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 12:18.35 | haste | haha |
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| 12:28.55 | Fisker- | sup haste btw |
| 12:29.24 | haste | not much, eating breakfast |
| 12:30.15 | wereHamster | how does font size and pt and px relate to each other? |
| 12:32.35 | Wobin | hehe best game ever |
| 12:33.57 | wereHamster | whoever designed the FF font settings dialog should be shot. The values there are pixels and not points! So stupid.. |
| 12:47.28 | wereHamster | Kirkburn, I know why the menu on the left has such big font. in root.css there is font-size:10pt, and 10pt is 20px on my display. gnome uses 7pt (see the gnome-panel font size or the fonts in the FF menubar) |
| 12:47.41 | Kirkburn | eek |
| 12:48.16 | Kirkburn | The ex-owner of WoWWiki is an Fx dev :P |
| 12:48.42 | wereHamster | what's Fx? |
| 12:48.57 | Kirkburn | Firefox's actual acronym :) |
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| 12:53.21 | Drundia | I think "fox" is easiest to recognize... |
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| 12:57.16 | ramoz | ff? |
| 12:57.40 | Saint-N | final fantasy |
| 12:57.45 | Saint-N | ford fusion |
| 12:57.49 | Saint-N | fuckity fuck |
| 12:57.53 | krka | föräldrafritt |
| 12:58.04 | Saint-N | SoD krka! |
| 12:58.07 | Saint-N | SoD |
| 12:58.23 | krka | ? |
| 12:58.28 | Saint-N | speak english or die ;P |
| 12:58.39 | Saint-N | old 80s band with most of the members of anthrax ;) |
| 12:58.45 | krka | wouldn't that be seod? |
| 12:59.07 | krka | half of the people in here are swedish anyway :P |
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| 13:00.12 | Saint-N | http://youtube.com/watch?v=WvxgM3lr-mg |
| 13:00.37 | Saint-N | krka: it should be but SoD was the name of the band so they "coined the phrase/acronym" as it were |
| 13:00.45 | wereHamster | Kirkburn, http://dbservice.com/ftpdir/tom/wowwiki.png this is with body { font-size: 100% !important; } in my userContent.css |
| 13:01.19 | Kirkburn | eek |
| 13:01.36 | Kirkburn | I'll pass on points about font size problems |
| 13:01.50 | Saint-N | sod also stands for stormtroppers of death |
| 13:01.53 | Saint-N | troopers |
| 13:01.58 | Saint-N | depending on who you talk to |
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| 13:05.14 | carebear | hey chaps, is it possible for an addon to make you say something (pretty sure it is) and if so, how do you do it? ive tried using DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("/say hi"); but it justs echo's that text into the chat window |
| 13:05.22 | carebear | doesnt actually use the command /say |
| 13:05.45 | Saint-N | addmessage merely ads the line of text it doesnt inact a command |
| 13:06.02 | Saint-N | enact |
| 13:06.03 | carebear | is there another function or anything that will ? |
| 13:06.34 | Saint-N | yup |
| 13:07.17 | carebear | lol, any chance you could point me in the right direction? |
| 13:07.49 | Saint-N | wowiki |
| 13:08.09 | Saint-N | or get one of those addons that tells everyone you've got low mana |
| 13:08.14 | Saint-N | and mimic what it does ;) |
| 13:09.01 | carebear | i appreciate your help and all, but i came on here after looking through wowwiki, with no avail. can you not tell me the function or gimme an idea where i might find it?> |
| 13:09.14 | Saint-N | nope i cant ;) |
| 13:09.15 | carebear | just telling me to go wowwiki doesnt help me at all :( |
| 13:09.30 | Saint-N | im just a troll |
| 13:09.42 | Saint-N | normally about this point in the convo someone who does know says something |
| 13:09.49 | Saint-N | but they're all just being jerks this morning |
| 13:10.00 | Saint-N | or sleeping |
| 13:10.15 | Saint-N | but im serious about the find an addon that does it thing |
| 13:10.24 | Saint-N | thats the simplest way |
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| 13:11.10 | carebear | well thanks anyway :) ill have a quick look for one now |
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| 13:16.49 | Saint-N | whats the command to make your addon auto /say stuff? |
| 13:18.42 | Saint-N | and sio |
| 13:19.34 | Lopeppeppy | Go look at AfterCast if no one is awake yet? |
| 13:20.41 | Saint-N | thats what i said ;) |
| 13:21.01 | Drundia | the function is named SendChatMessage |
| 13:21.14 | Saint-N | i go on the assumption that if i dont see a pingout and thers a join that people ARE awake ;P |
| 13:22.04 | Drundia | we are all bots that can't be awake at all... |
| 13:22.33 | Lopeppeppy | Being logged on is not a function of being awake, but a function of the climb to awareness. |
| 13:24.59 | carebear | thanks Drundia, worked a treat. now next question, i highly doubt this, but is it possible for addons to use your skills? |
| 13:25.05 | carebear | just want to check |
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| 13:25.45 | Drundia | when triggered by hardware event and defined out of combat |
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| 13:26.38 | Saint-N | Lopeppeppy: yup, whats they you ask questions of people at that point |
| 13:26.45 | Saint-N | it helps jumpstart the brain ;) |
| 13:26.55 | Lopeppeppy | no jumpstart johnny 5. |
| 13:27.05 | Saint-N | number 5 IS alive! |
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| 14:21.56 | zenzelezz | "This flies directly in the face of what SCO found in extensive investigations in 2002 and contradicts what SCO Senior Vice President Chris Sontag had just finished testifying earlier that day (testimony that McBride did not hear)." -- that last bit is just too funny |
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| 14:25.44 | Drundia | during this time we mostly see here only joins and leaves... |
| 14:26.22 | Lopeppeppy | red text makes me happy |
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| 14:41.05 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Seerah! *big hugs* Happy Friday. |
| 14:41.28 | Seerah | TGIF |
| 14:41.38 | Seerah | (meh, still have to work again tomorrow :P ) |
| 14:42.08 | Lopeppeppy | I have to clean the garage, want to trade? |
| 14:42.46 | Seerah | you want to teach kids how to sing and play the piano? |
| 14:42.47 | Saint-N | its a trick dont do it! |
| 14:43.26 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. I can do both. I'm better with voice, I'd be a crappy piano teacher... but I can "two finger type" as it were. |
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| 14:43.50 | Saint-N | heh two finger concertos |
| 14:43.55 | Seerah | lol |
| 14:44.20 | Saint-N | you'd have to have REALLY fast figners |
| 14:44.22 | Saint-N | fingers |
| 14:44.31 | Seerah | no, really fast arms ;) |
| 14:44.37 | Saint-N | that too |
| 14:44.50 | Saint-N | making a chord sound right with two fingers heh |
| 14:45.00 | Lopeppeppy | I can play a single line, mostly to teach myself songs. I never took lessons so I don't use the pedals or get complex. :) |
| 14:45.24 | Lopeppeppy | I consider only playing the melody line the equivalent of "two finger typing" for piano playing. |
| 14:45.32 | Seerah | ahhh |
| 14:47.22 | Saint-N | well thats good... |
| 14:48.39 | Lopeppeppy | Music is fun times. So yes... want to clean my garage for me? |
| 14:49.09 | Saint-N | can i keep anything neat i find? |
| 14:50.03 | Lopeppeppy | Yes. Except the Asian tea set and my books. The rest you are welcome to, so I don't have to move it. (This is a storage garage, not a tools-and-car garage) |
| 14:50.13 | Saint-N | awww |
| 14:50.37 | Saint-N | just remove the tea set and books and accidently light it on fire |
| 14:50.38 | Saint-N | ;) |
| 14:51.03 | Lopeppeppy | Do. Not. Tempt. Happy Fun Ball. |
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| 14:51.16 | Lopeppeppy | It's mostly TKFT's stuff, I would do it in a heartbeat. |
| 14:51.58 | zenzelezz | in that case, why are you the one cleaning up? |
| 14:52.52 | Seerah | she's a nice lady? |
| 14:53.05 | Lopeppeppy | Oiy, the complications of that statement.... So I know what to throw away and what to keep, pretty much. |
| 14:53.12 | zenzelezz | there are limits to being nice |
| 14:53.30 | Lopeppeppy | I'm moving soon, it's all gotta be sorted and either kept or tossed. *shrug* It's just a chore. |
| 14:53.54 | Lopeppeppy | [10:49] Saint-N: can i keep anything neat i find? < -- this too |
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| 15:03.38 | cncfanatics | hello everyone |
| 15:03.44 | Lopeppeppy | Morning. |
| 15:05.25 | cncfanatics | I'm finaly back on linux, yay :p |
| 15:06.28 | Lopeppeppy | If you find this to be good, I am deliriously happy for you! |
| 15:07.00 | cncfanatics | you're still as weird as usual aren't you ? :p |
| 15:07.00 | zenzelezz | sometimes you seem perplexingly cheerful peppy |
| 15:07.49 | Lopeppeppy | cncfanatics, exactly. But zenzelezz... I don't know what to say. *gentle shrug* Life is for the living, and I'm not a raincloud? |
| 15:08.22 | Lopeppeppy | I could, however, be a wee bit too energetic at this time of the morning, and bruising your brain. :) |
| 15:08.36 | zenzelezz | I have no idea what that means; but I wasn't saying there's anything wrong about it |
| 15:08.52 | Lopeppeppy | I apologize a lot. *hug* |
| 15:09.17 | Lopeppeppy | And you're not the first person to be befuddled by my cheery disposition. |
| 15:09.39 | zenzelezz | it's not so much beffudlement; rather envy |
| 15:09.40 | Lukian | ^_^ |
| 15:09.57 | Lopeppeppy | Why envy, zenzelezz? |
| 15:10.15 | cncfanatics | the dead envy the living :p |
| 15:10.23 | Cide | well said :P |
| 15:10.36 | zenzelezz | I'm very much alive; I just don't live |
| 15:11.59 | zenzelezz | you can ask my former guildies or anyone who's known me over time; if you look past my shabby exterior there's a nucleus of pessimism |
| 15:12.18 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz... you can change that any microsecond you choose to. Maybe that's what you're envying... I *will* live. |
| 15:12.34 | cncfanatics | pessimism is something you choose for |
| 15:12.55 | cncfanatics | why would you want to expect the worst when you can expect the best ? :p |
| 15:13.03 | cncfanatics | the only thing you risk is being disapointed, which ain't a big deal really |
| 15:13.05 | Lopeppeppy | I'm still a bloody pessimist, but I'm out there beating on things with my No Stick. |
| 15:13.22 | Lopeppeppy | cncfanatics, that's very brave to say. That last statement of yours scares me silly. |
| 15:13.36 | nevcairiel | some people just choose to be surprised by the good events rather then being disappointed by the bad ones |
| 15:13.47 | zenzelezz | I'm aware of this, but I have a phobia for change. I may not enjoy my state of mind, but at least I'm familiar with it |
| 15:13.53 | cncfanatics | being optimist doesn't stop you from being surprised by good events |
| 15:14.11 | nevcairiel | but you get disappointed on a hourly basis :P |
| 15:14.21 | zenzelezz | this reminds me of a certain quote |
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| 15:14.33 | Seerah | reminds me of Thomas the Trian |
| 15:14.34 | cncfanatics | I don't, but well, thats me |
| 15:14.35 | Seerah | *Train |
| 15:14.35 | zenzelezz | - YEAR, n. A period of three hundred and sixty-five disappointments. (Devil's Dictionary) |
| 15:14.59 | cncfanatics | heh, nice quote |
| 15:15.10 | zenzelezz | Devil's Dictionary is full of win |
| 15:15.16 | nevcairiel | i'm not trying to be overly pessimistic nor optimistic, i just try to take everything with reason and logic |
| 15:15.48 | Cide | me too |
| 15:15.49 | cncfanatics | I don't think reason and logic have much to do with being either optimist or pessimist |
| 15:15.54 | Cide | sure it does |
| 15:16.13 | Cide | expect what's more reasonable and logical |
| 15:16.14 | nevcairiel | its called being realistic :P |
| 15:16.15 | Seerah | I take more of the Taoist approach. Good things will happen, bad things will happen. They both balance eachother out. You can't *really* change what *will* happen, so you just go with it. |
| 15:16.27 | cncfanatics | well, you can be optimistic and remain realistic too |
| 15:16.31 | zenzelezz | and this is why I envy most people. Even when people are complimenting me or supporting me, I try to convince them they're mistaken. It's as if I'm allergic to believing in myself |
| 15:16.47 | cncfanatics | its silly to expect things that won't happen ofc :p |
| 15:16.49 | Cide | go to your mirror and tell yourself otherwise |
| 15:16.52 | Cide | every day |
| 15:17.22 | Seerah | "I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and gosh darnit- people like me!" |
| 15:17.55 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz, you don't have to believe in yourself. I can do that for you, until it's no longer a "change" for you to do it. Then you take over. That's what friends are for. :) |
| 15:18.06 | cncfanatics | agree with Lopeppeppy |
| 15:18.13 | cncfanatics | (damn weird name, hail tab completetion) |
| 15:18.18 | Seerah | haha |
| 15:18.29 | Lopeppeppy | Thank the Bliz name generator! :) Pep or Peppy work well too. |
| 15:18.31 | Cide | I still don't know how to pronounce it |
| 15:18.42 | Lopeppeppy | Low-p-PEP-y |
| 15:18.45 | cncfanatics | Lop<tab> works wonders |
| 15:18.47 | Seerah | (I always have to think over the 'p's - like Mississippi) |
| 15:19.06 | Cide | that's great |
| 15:19.12 | Lopeppeppy | Me too, Seerah, and it's been my name for years. |
| 15:19.17 | Cide | hail, Lowptab |
| 15:19.28 | Lopeppeppy | *grin* |
| 15:19.55 | Seerah | :( Pidgin doesn't do tab completion |
| 15:19.59 | Cide | noooooo |
| 15:20.05 | Seerah | that's 2 fails in 2 days |
| 15:20.06 | Cide | trying to run total annihilation on vista fails :( |
| 15:20.40 | cncfanatics | it does |
| 15:20.42 | cncfanatics | I'm using pidgin :p |
| 15:20.50 | cncfanatics | and See<tab> works for your nick Seerah |
| 15:21.04 | Seerah | hrmmmm |
| 15:21.13 | cncfanatics | Cide: you can run it on linux though |
| 15:21.24 | Cide | ya, I use vista |
| 15:21.40 | Lopeppeppy | In Soviet IRC, Vista uses you. |
| 15:22.06 | Cide | oh crap |
| 15:22.13 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/04/30/funny-pictures-statue-gives-pigeon-crap/ |
| 15:22.43 | Seerah | cnc: do you recall if you are using a plugin for that? |
| 15:22.45 | Cide | wohoo! |
| 15:22.49 | Cide | all hail compatibility settings |
| 15:23.33 | zenzelezz | all of a sudden I'm tempted to make a clone of it and call it Partial Annihilation |
| 15:24.07 | cncfanatics | Seerah: I didn't ever install any plugin |
| 15:24.11 | cncfanatics | but its possible its shipped with it |
| 15:24.12 | cncfanatics | let me check |
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| 15:24.20 | Industrial | Is there ny way to totally turn off that the camera zooms in when theres an object between the char and the camera/ |
| 15:24.26 | Industrial | one of the MSOT anoying things in the game |
| 15:24.32 | cncfanatics | there are 0 plugins enabled in my pidgin |
| 15:24.40 | Seerah | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:24.45 | nevcairiel | Industrial: no you cannot do that |
| 15:24.46 | Seerah | my pidgin sucks |
| 15:24.48 | zenzelezz | Industrial: don't believe so |
| 15:24.58 | zenzelezz | which is why it SUCKS to tank anything against a wall |
| 15:25.01 | zenzelezz | like Prince |
| 15:25.16 | nevcairiel | it'll always show you your char, and it cannot make walls invisble |
| 15:25.21 | nevcairiel | so it zooms in front of the wall |
| 15:25.34 | zenzelezz | the bad thing is that it happens for invisible walls too |
| 15:25.45 | Lukian | zenzelezz, easy, move your camera around to the other side :D |
| 15:25.50 | Seerah | I find that if the camera doesn't zoom in, it goes *behind* the wall - you don't want that either :P |
| 15:25.51 | amro | the cameraman isn't a ghost, and collides with walls |
| 15:25.56 | Drundia | camera should make stuff behind character invisible |
| 15:26.01 | nevcairiel | i used to turn the camera around so i looked at myself from the front on prince, but sometimes it happend that my char turned after some time, which sucks :P |
| 15:26.12 | cncfanatics | can someone give me a "change your svn repos to a git repos while keeping your history" for idiots ? |
| 15:26.15 | Lukian | nevcairiel, only if you move :) |
| 15:26.19 | zenzelezz | Lukian: that doesn't work well. Your character's movement is harder then, and your view is obstructed by the boss |
| 15:26.20 | Lukian | l2notmove! :D |
| 15:26.25 | Drundia | nevcariel, avoid pressing right button |
| 15:26.38 | Seerah | hmm... not move on Prince.... |
| 15:26.39 | Industrial | nevcairiel, zenzelezz: damn :| its so anoying. if I want to look at a tree let me do so! >:| |
| 15:26.42 | Lukian | zenzelezz, your view of what? :p |
| 15:26.47 | nevcairiel | Seerah: as a tank, possible ;) |
| 15:26.48 | Lukian | the boss? :p |
| 15:26.59 | zenzelezz | Lukian: of your character obviously |
| 15:27.00 | Seerah | nev: if you get lucky with infernals, sure |
| 15:27.09 | Industrial | its like getting a hand shoved in your face all the time |
| 15:27.09 | Lukian | zenzelezz, why would you want to see your character? :D |
| 15:27.13 | Industrial | the zoming in.. |
| 15:27.27 | nevcairiel | not that it really matters if i see that much on prince |
| 15:27.35 | nevcairiel | i notice when he runs away |
| 15:27.36 | zenzelezz | Lukian: because I pick up many of my clues while tanking from looking at my position relative to mobs |
| 15:27.58 | Lukian | such as? |
| 15:28.05 | Lopeppeppy | I zoom my camera soooo far out, so that I can see a whole fight as a healer and not get surprised |
| 15:28.58 | zenzelezz | Lukian: I can't name them offhand, I just notice in-game that I do worse when I can't view my character mostly from behind |
| 15:29.16 | Lukian | zenzelezz, hmm interesting :o |
| 15:29.27 | Seerah | peppy: yeah... I can never get how people can play zoomed way in with things cluttering their screen... |
| 15:29.38 | zenzelezz | Lukian: to each their own. I also rely a lot on sounds |
| 15:30.08 | Drundia | actually the camera issue is being amplified by size of most stuff in wow |
| 15:30.19 | Drundia | it's like all 10 times bigger than characters |
| 15:30.28 | Drundia | can't even play with fully zoomed in |
| 15:31.52 | zenzelezz | I always find it... odd when I can see an entire boss on my screen |
| 15:32.04 | Lopeppeppy | The further out I am zoomed, the happier I am in raiding. I need to zoom more when questing though, it's weird to be so far out when I'm alone and teeny on my screen. |
| 15:34.08 | zenzelezz | by now I would expect many bosses to just get massive foot- and leg armor since we can't reach their knees |
| 15:34.35 | Lopeppeppy | Imagine being a GNOME rogue. I stab toes for a living when I raid as Pep. Molten Core was a nightmare. |
| 15:35.02 | zenzelezz | I actually do have a gnome rogue |
| 15:35.17 | zenzelezz | never raided with him though |
| 15:37.38 | Lopeppeppy | Ugh. Raiding with Pep was what sent me scrambling for my uberzoom macro. |
| 15:37.53 | Lopeppeppy | I couldn't see a thing in a melee, and that wasn't helpful at all. |
| 15:38.06 | zenzelezz | now picture being a gnome tank |
| 15:38.33 | nevcairiel | see, thats why my tank is a nightelf |
| 15:38.44 | Lopeppeppy | I had a gnome tank, loved him to death, can never target him except from his bars. |
| 15:39.14 | nevcairiel | remember gnome or even dwarf tanks in BWL, firemaw tanking spot? :P |
| 15:39.31 | zenzelezz | I don't find the difference between night elf and human height to be that interesting. Maybe tauren or troll |
| 15:39.45 | nevcairiel | i didnt want to roll a human though |
| 15:39.52 | cncfanatics | can anyone explain me what "HTTP Path Not Found: PROPFIND request failed on '/svn/!svn/bc/49/trunk/trunk': '/svn/!svn/bc/49/trunk/trunk' path not found at /usr/bin/git-svn line 1685" means in english ? :o |
| 15:39.57 | zenzelezz | I always roll the most human-like race |
| 15:40.14 | nevcairiel | At first, i wanted to play a druid |
| 15:40.17 | nevcairiel | and be alliance |
| 15:40.21 | nevcairiel | so not much of a choice |
| 15:40.24 | cncfanatics | female nightelf druid ? :o |
| 15:40.36 | nevcairiel | and because i liked being a nelf, my warrior is one too |
| 15:40.37 | zenzelezz | cncfanatics: is the path really .../trunk/trunk (double-trunk)? |
| 15:40.51 | cncfanatics | dunno, my command was git svn fetch --all |
| 15:40.52 | nevcairiel | cncfanatics: of course, with white hair! |
| 15:40.56 | cncfanatics | I'm wondering why its giving me that error |
| 15:41.00 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel: shame on you |
| 15:41.20 | nevcairiel | nah i'm really fond of her |
| 15:41.20 | zenzelezz | cncfanatics: sounds like a regular "can't find this file" error; but I'm not familiar with git |
| 15:41.22 | cncfanatics | btw, my commands: |
| 15:41.25 | cncfanatics | git svn init -t tags -b branches -T trunk --use-svm-props https://flexbar3.googlecode.com/svn/trunk |
| 15:41.29 | cncfanatics | git svn fetch --all |
| 15:41.30 | Antiarc | All I'm gonna say is that I don't regret rolling human as my rogue. |
| 15:41.32 | cncfanatics | those 2 |
| 15:41.34 | nevcairiel | my warr has purple hair, though |
| 15:41.42 | Antiarc | Expertise capped with one item, what. |
| 15:41.43 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel: gnome female N |
| 15:41.55 | Lopeppeppy | My tanks all have aqua hair, I can't tell them apart, drives me crazy. |
| 15:42.00 | nevcairiel | my lock is a gnome, male though |
| 15:42.02 | cncfanatics | hehe |
| 15:42.09 | cncfanatics | gnomes were made to be ganked |
| 15:42.17 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: three of our four tanks had names starting with T, that alone was a mess |
| 15:42.37 | zenzelezz | and then a hunter named his pet the same as one of the tanks... "... has died" "WTF?" |
| 15:42.46 | cncfanatics | haha |
| 15:42.52 | cncfanatics | nice one |
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| 15:45.30 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel: you use git right ? |
| 15:45.36 | nevcairiel | nah |
| 15:45.48 | nevcairiel | i tried once, but curseforge failed to let me authenticate |
| 15:45.50 | nevcairiel | so i gave up |
| 15:45.51 | nevcairiel | :P |
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| 15:46.11 | cncfanatics | heh |
| 15:46.13 | Lopeppeppy | We have tanks Waro and Wargallow, say that fast on Vent and see who you get. |
| 15:46.18 | cncfanatics | got a clue how to get an existing svn repos under git ? |
| 15:46.20 | Lopeppeppy | W-o. |
| 15:46.22 | cncfanatics | I'm struggling :p |
| 15:46.32 | nevcairiel | ~google git svn for dummies |
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| 15:47.57 | cncfanatics | the tuto I'm following kinda doesn't work :p |
| 15:48.38 | nevcairiel | git-svn is sooooo damn slow if you try to import something from like the wowace svn, thats why i didnt let it finish when i tried |
| 15:49.43 | cncfanatics | its from googlecode here |
| 15:49.46 | cncfanatics | only 24 revs to get |
| 15:49.54 | cncfanatics | just managed to get it work |
| 15:50.01 | cncfanatics | its done |
| 15:50.06 | cncfanatics | I ment 42 revs btw |
| 15:50.28 | Yssaril | is git better than svn and whats the difference anyways? |
| 15:51.06 | cncfanatics | the two I care about: its faster, when branch something and merge it back to trunk at some point you don't lose the change history of the branch |
| 15:55.09 | Industrial | peanut, willy or egbert |
| 15:55.13 | Industrial | i cant decide >_< |
| 15:55.32 | Matrix110 | if its the first egbert |
| 15:55.36 | Matrix110 | if its the second willy |
| 15:55.44 | Industrial | the first what? |
| 15:55.50 | Industrial | my first minipet from that quest yes |
| 15:55.52 | Matrix110 | you can do that quest each year |
| 15:55.57 | Industrial | but why egbert :P he seems dumb |
| 15:56.01 | Industrial | peanut is so cute :o |
| 15:56.06 | Matrix110 | Egbert is insane:P |
| 15:56.30 | Lopeppeppy | I have a peanut. But you're right, I need to do orphan week on my toons tonight. *smile* |
| 15:56.45 | Matrix110 | Peanut might be cute but hes boring |
| 15:56.54 | Matrix110 | Egbert looks cute and runs around all the time :D |
| 15:57.30 | Saint-N | egbert is the best |
| 15:57.38 | Saint-N | my happy little crack addled bird |
| 15:57.42 | Saint-N | that pulls aggro |
| 15:58.50 | cncfanatics | IT WORKED |
| 15:58.51 | cncfanatics | <3 http://gitorious.org/projects/flexbar/repos/mainline/logs/master |
| 15:59.54 | Industrial | Saint-N: he pulls aggro? lmao. |
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| 16:10.43 | Saint-N | Industrial: he doesnt really but it sure seems that way |
| 16:11.14 | Saint-N | him and tranquil yeti seem to pull aggro when they run around like spazzes |
| 16:11.23 | Lopeppeppy | I swear that Eggbert has pulled in instances. :) |
| 16:11.29 | Saint-N | heh yup |
| 16:11.34 | Lopeppeppy | That's why I like the dog whistle from SM. I KNOW it does, no questions. |
| 16:11.35 | Saint-N | and outdoor mobs |
| 16:11.38 | Saint-N | and outdoor raids |
| 16:11.49 | Saint-N | and guards in town |
| 16:11.59 | Saint-N | he's just the most awesome pet |
| 16:14.43 | Lopeppeppy | He's level 30, dies in a heartbeat, but so 'in your face' all the time. :) |
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| 16:32.10 | End | hmm, wow, glad I got rid of my crt finally |
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| 16:34.24 | cog|work | grats, End |
| 16:34.32 | zenzelezz | there's only one thing I still miss about LCDs versus CRTs; CRTs had great range of resolutions where they all looked good |
| 16:34.38 | End | yeah |
| 16:34.43 | End | that's true |
| 16:34.52 | cog|work | zenzelezz: well, they all looked as good as the display was capable of looking |
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| 16:35.05 | Lopeppeppy | I shipped out all of the crts, I only have one lonely lcd now. *sad* |
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| 16:35.13 | zenzelezz | cog|work: unlike LCDs they didn't look like shit |
| 16:35.18 | zenzelezz | LCDs are all "zomg native plz" |
| 16:35.36 | zenzelezz | other than that I do love LCDs |
| 16:35.51 | cog|work | well, for LCDs with a decent pitch and good signal processors you can get similar results... |
| 16:36.07 | cog|work | but that's really rare |
| 16:37.48 | Lopeppeppy | I just like having a relatively large monitor that I can move by myself. The size and weight of my toys has become important to me. |
| 16:38.10 | zenzelezz | that sounded so dirty |
| 16:38.11 | cog|work | 24 inch widescreen CRT would be hell to deal with physically :P |
| 16:39.36 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz! |
| 16:40.00 | Legorol | zenzelezz: would it have been the same had you not known that Lopeppeppy is female? |
| 16:40.01 | Lopeppeppy | cog|work has it right. When chica is moving, whether she can carry her own computer equipment is important! |
| 16:40.11 | zenzelezz | Legorol: of course not |
| 16:40.17 | Legorol | besides, there are no girlz on da intarwebz |
| 16:40.32 | End | there are robots though! |
| 16:40.37 | cog|work | Legorol: that's just an excuse those who can't find them use :P |
| 16:40.38 | Legorol | zenzelezz: so in essence you made a poor sexist joke ;-) |
| 16:40.41 | End | Lopeppeppy must be a robot! |
| 16:40.53 | zenzelezz | I'm always making sexist jokes |
| 16:41.02 | Legorol | but not poor ones |
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| 16:41.37 | Lopeppeppy | I'm not always a robot either. What's the point? :P |
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| 16:42.11 | Legorol | My guild decided to try and peek inside Naxx tonight. Any pointers/suggestions? |
| 16:42.25 | Legorol | Most importantly, how many T4-geared L70-s do you think we'll need? |
| 16:42.27 | End | :o |
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| 16:42.53 | End | that probably depends on the fight a lot, but I never did much naxx |
| 16:43.12 | End | I have no answers! |
| 16:43.15 | Legorol | i heard Naxx is hard even at 70 |
| 16:43.20 | Legorol | i guess not many people know the answer |
| 16:43.26 | End | yeah, I've heard that too |
| 16:43.30 | zenzelezz | it's more about tactics than level |
| 16:43.30 | [dRaCo] | that's because naxx isn't about dps |
| 16:43.46 | zenzelezz | of course it's easier with level 70 and >T3 stats, but you will still fail if you don't do it right |
| 16:44.02 | End | errors are fatal? |
| 16:44.08 | zenzelezz | can be |
| 16:44.10 | Legorol | cool, then we have no chance |
| 16:44.16 | Legorol | i doubt i can get these people to do more than zerg |
| 16:44.25 | Legorol | ok, a more useful quesiton then: |
| 16:44.29 | zenzelezz | wish the guild I was in at Naxx-time had gotten further |
| 16:44.31 | Legorol | which wing should we try then as a first experience? |
| 16:44.46 | Legorol | and zenzelezz, what are you doing tonight.. want to join? :) |
| 16:45.17 | zenzelezz | nah, busy coding (finally) |
| 16:45.18 | End | I only ever killed one boss :-/ |
| 16:45.27 | End | we only raided two nights a week though |
| 16:45.41 | Legorol | zenzelezz: cool! coding is fun |
| 16:45.58 | zenzelezz | my guild cleared spider wing and took the first boss in the other wings; then 2.0 hit and raiding died |
| 16:46.02 | cladhaire | bah |
| 16:46.02 | Lopeppeppy | I've not yet seen the inside of Naxx. |
| 16:46.37 | cladhaire | me neither |
| 16:49.21 | Lopeppeppy | A few friends keep proposing it on offnights, but it never happens. |
| 16:50.53 | End | yeah, we started right before 2.0 hit |
| 16:50.59 | End | got one boss |
| 16:51.03 | End | and then pretty much stopped raiding |
| 16:51.10 | Legorol | that's where i have the advantage, muhahah |
| 16:51.19 | Legorol | i just nuked this week's maggy/gruul and replaced it with Naxx, in our regular spot |
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| 16:55.15 | cncfanatics | heh, intresting |
| 16:56.04 | wereHamster | like.. the horsemen in the raid instance in plaguelands? |
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| 17:09.27 | Antiarc | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6286658858&sid=1 |
| 17:09.30 | Antiarc | I'm a bad person >_> |
| 17:10.29 | ScytheBlade1 | hahahahahahahahahaha |
| 17:10.34 | Lopeppeppy | tsk tsk. *grin* |
| 17:10.37 | ScytheBlade1 | You sir are a GENIUS |
| 17:10.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: try it in game? |
| 17:10.56 | Lopeppeppy | Meep. Okay.... if I don't die. |
| 17:11.11 | ScytheBlade1 | It'll require a raid group, but you can change that easily enough |
| 17:11.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Sub out the last four bits there with "SAY" |
| 17:12.15 | batrick | four bytes ^ |
| 17:13.43 | wereHamster | lua> print("\108\111\108\111\108\111\108 \73 \97\109 \115\111 \99\108\101\118\101\114 \112\111\115\116\105\110\103 \97\115\99\105\105 \97\114\116 \109\97\99\114\111\115 \108\111\108\111\108\111\108\111\108") |
| 17:13.43 | lua_bot | wereHamster: lololol I am so clever posting ascii art macros lolololol |
| 17:15.04 | ScytheBlade1 | cheater |
| 17:15.20 | wereHamster | I don't have wow on my laptop.. no 32bit allowed here |
| 17:15.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Ha, I have the same policy |
| 17:16.12 | Antiarc | I just hope he runs it |
| 17:16.33 | Antiarc | I was considering something like "free cybers, whisper me for a good time" but thought that too mean |
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| 17:17.26 | Industrial | http://wowcompares.com/0428268/FrameXML/ActionButtonTemplate.xml |
| 17:17.29 | Industrial | line 89 |
| 17:17.32 | Industrial | how do I hide it? |
| 17:17.37 | Industrial | it has no name :\ |
| 17:17.54 | Antiarc | Err, that's </CheckButton>? |
| 17:18.05 | Industrial | the last 3 textures above that* |
| 17:18.30 | Antiarc | something like button:GetHighlightTexture():Hide() or similar? |
| 17:18.51 | Antiarc | Oh, wait |
| 17:18.54 | Antiarc | That returns a string |
| 17:19.23 | Antiarc | You could just SetHighlightTexture(nil) or something |
| 17:19.24 | dylanm | You could just set the textures to nothing. |
| 17:19.30 | dylanm | Too slow. |
| 17:20.55 | Fisker- | Antiarc i r expert at macros |
| 17:21.55 | Antiarc | Do you think Blizzard will ever increase the chat input buffer size, so we can have macros >255 bytes? |
| 17:22.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Well |
| 17:22.13 | ScytheBlade1 | We've got a hint concerning wrath changes |
| 17:22.19 | Antiarc | oh? |
| 17:22.20 | ScytheBlade1 | They just might store them on the server |
| 17:22.39 | Antiarc | Ehh. |
| 17:22.41 | Antiarc | Also, curses |
| 17:22.50 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 17:22.52 | Antiarc | I spilled coffee on my keyboard and my "A" is all sticky now |
| 17:22.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Makes me happy |
| 17:22.55 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 17:22.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Smooth |
| 17:24.02 | Antiarc | aaaazSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSaaaaassssssssaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 17:24.04 | Antiarc | oops |
| 17:24.08 | Antiarc | anyhow, key's unstuck |
| 17:24.11 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 17:24.26 | ScytheBlade1 | So yeah, they are likely stored on the server as of wrath |
| 17:24.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Which means either they're keeping the size the same, or they're bumping it to the 1023 char limit |
| 17:24.50 | Antiarc | That makes sense, really |
| 17:25.09 | Fisker- | what's that hint about ScytheBlade1? :o |
| 17:25.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Something zoot mentioned in channel |
| 17:25.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Likewise it's not definitive, in the patch notes, or anything I can verify :P |
| 17:25.45 | ScytheBlade1 | So take it at face value and nothing more |
| 17:26.01 | Fisker- | just wondered if it was anymore specific than that :P |
| 17:26.20 | ScytheBlade1 | I mentioned something like "I'd rather just have the macros stored on the server" and he responded with "Be careful what you wish for." |
| 17:26.41 | Fisker- | meh |
| 17:26.46 | Fisker- | i'd rather want more space :P |
| 17:26.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Well that wasn't the other option :P |
| 17:27.30 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5784275032&sid=1&pageNo=2#34 |
| 17:27.41 | Fisker- | only time i hated having macros was when i pretty much had a macro for any important spell with a /stopcasting infront |
| 17:27.57 | Fisker- | so when i logged in from another machine my bars would be all empty :P |
| 17:28.01 | ScytheBlade1 | The great thing of course, is that he said that the quoted text in the post I linked is also entirely doable |
| 17:28.47 | Fisker- | it's a great idea |
| 17:28.49 | Fisker- | FOR AN ADDON |
| 17:28.50 | Fisker- | HOHOOHJ |
| 17:28.55 | Fisker- | unless Sbo is you |
| 17:29.11 | ScytheBlade1 | I am indeed Sbo |
| 17:29.46 | Fisker- | :( |
| 17:31.10 | Fisker- | hmm |
| 17:31.20 | Fisker- | could you trap the lua bot in an infinite loop? |
| 17:31.53 | ScytheBlade1 | They all have max CPU and time limits attached |
| 17:31.55 | ScytheBlade1 | So probably not |
| 17:31.57 | Fisker- | :( |
| 17:32.49 | wereHamster | why would you want to do that? |
| 17:33.01 | Fisker- | i love destroying stuff |
| 17:35.22 | Fisker- | akward silence = win |
| 17:42.24 | wereHamster | why this violence all of the sudden? |
| 17:43.09 | Cide | dunno |
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| 17:48.56 | Yssaril | lua> while true do end; print('die') |
| 17:49.01 | lua_bot | Yssaril: Your code exceeded set CPU limits |
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| 18:01.08 | Industrial | Does alliance duel in front of IF like horde does with ORG? |
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| 18:01.57 | Saint-N | stormwind |
| 18:02.16 | Gnarfoz | nobody goes to stormwind, ever |
| 18:02.18 | Gnarfoz | IF |
| 18:02.19 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 18:02.47 | Industrial | just ported :s |
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| 18:04.30 | cncfanatics | lua> while true do print("die"); end |
| 18:04.35 | lua_bot | cncfanatics: die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, ... (result truncated) |
| 18:04.38 | cncfanatics | lol |
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| 18:09.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Gnarfoz: our Stormwind is filled more often than not |
| 18:09.42 | Gnarfoz | our server doesn't even have enough players to 'fill' any of the cities, let alone Goldshire |
| 18:09.48 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
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| 18:13.32 | Saint-N | lua> print("dooo");x=1;x=x+1;while x > 75 do print("ooooo") else print("oomed");end |
| 18:13.33 | lua_bot | Saint-N: luabot:1: 'end' expected near 'else' |
| 18:13.38 | Saint-N | lua> print("dooo");x=1;x=x+1;while x > 75 do print("ooooo") else print("oomed"); end |
| 18:13.38 | lua_bot | Saint-N: luabot:1: 'end' expected near 'else' |
| 18:13.43 | Saint-N | oops |
| 18:14.13 | Saint-N | lua> print("dooo");x=1;x=x+1;while x > 75 do print("ooooo"); print("oomed"); end |
| 18:14.13 | lua_bot | Saint-N: dooo |
| 18:14.20 | Saint-N | de do |
| 18:14.28 | Saint-N | ~fail |
| 18:14.29 | purl | i heard fail is Sorry, $1, you have failed. |
| 18:15.32 | nevcairiel | someone broke fail? |
| 18:15.34 | nevcairiel | ~fail purl |
| 18:15.35 | purl | purl: FAIL! |
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| 18:19.38 | MentalPower | nevcairiel: nop, theres a diff between ~fail and ~fail <target> |
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| 18:20.02 | nevcairiel | i thought it had you fail yourself if you did it without target |
| 18:21.07 | Dhraga | Anyone here that plays on the US Dragomaw server ? |
| 18:21.08 | MentalPower | maybe |
| 18:21.17 | MentalPower | in that case someone changed that factoid |
| 18:21.29 | MentalPower | Dhraga: not me, sorry |
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| 18:22.58 | Dhraga | I'm serching for the creator of the background in the Felmyst down screenshot on TNT's guild on Dragonmaw US |
| 18:23.03 | Dhraga | http://tnt.mind2k.com/ |
| 18:25.19 | MentalPower | email them? |
| 18:27.23 | Lopeppeppy | I'd start with the one who posted the screenshot. |
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| 18:28.14 | MentalPower | you could also try their forums |
| 18:28.19 | MentalPower | they have open forums it seems |
| 18:28.47 | Dhraga | Yes they have, but after registration it requires a manual activation from their part, wich does not come =/ |
| 18:30.11 | sylvanaar | age of conan is taking ages to download and install, anyone playing it? |
| 18:30.57 | MentalPower | isin't that under NDA still? |
| 18:31.01 | sylvanaar | no |
| 18:31.06 | MentalPower | ka, they can't tell you if they're playing |
| 18:31.08 | MentalPower | aka* |
| 18:31.09 | sylvanaar | it was lifted for the open beta |
| 18:31.13 | MentalPower | ah |
| 18:31.20 | sylvanaar | which started yesterday |
| 18:31.27 | MentalPower | I didn't know it had transitioned into open beta :) |
| 18:31.44 | Lopeppeppy | Neat. I look forward to it when it comes out, to relieve my WoW addiction somewhat. |
| 18:32.22 | MentalPower | one question, does it have modding possibilities like WoW? |
| 18:32.40 | zenzelezz | don't actually know, but wouldn't count on it |
| 18:33.09 | zenzelezz | they might have learned something from/since Anarchy Online, but I doubt it'd be anything huge |
| 18:34.56 | sylvanaar | thats why i was asking, it has skinning at least from what I can tell, dont know about modding beyond that |
| 18:35.33 | sylvanaar | the ui is xml based, but there isnt any script that i can see yet |
| 18:36.30 | sylvanaar | except for the pixel shader stuff |
| 18:37.02 | zenzelezz | I wonder if they still store the entire item+spell database on the client side |
| 18:38.52 | sylvanaar | i dont know there is a massive amount of data though, well 14GB |
| 18:41.17 | sylvanaar | it took 3 days to download |
| 18:52.59 | Saint-N | appearantly most of the data and exe are almost fully in plaintext |
| 18:53.10 | Saint-N | and its xml ish |
| 18:53.35 | sylvanaar | really, i hadnt looked at it, i'm still patching |
| 18:55.27 | zenzelezz | I wonder what will be the opifex male shoulderpad equivalent in AoC |
| 18:55.30 | sylvanaar | yeah it references alot of scripts in a directory i dont have |
| 19:00.40 | TecnoBrat | I heard it was pretty bad |
| 19:03.02 | batrick | cladhaire: ping |
| 19:03.11 | cladhaire | pong |
| 19:03.26 | batrick | were you going to fix that unpack bug on your site? |
| 19:03.28 | batrick | it's still there |
| 19:03.39 | cladhaire | we _had_ fixed it |
| 19:03.42 | cladhaire | i did what you told me to |
| 19:03.42 | batrick | (btw the site looks really good) |
| 19:03.43 | cladhaire | oh |
| 19:03.45 | cladhaire | i need to patch |
| 19:03.47 | cladhaire | motherfucker. |
| 19:03.47 | cladhaire | ok |
| 19:04.48 | Saint-N | sylv: where did you get yer beta key? |
| 19:04.52 | Saint-N | fileplanet sub? |
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| 19:07.45 | cladhaire | batrick: would you mind checking for me now |
| 19:07.53 | batrick | ok |
| 19:08.22 | cladhaire | i'd appreciate it |
| 19:08.24 | batrick | > return unpack({}, 2^31-1, 2^31+17) |
| 19:08.26 | batrick | Your request exceeded set cpu/memory limits |
| 19:08.28 | batrick | O.o |
| 19:08.37 | batrick | is that intended? |
| 19:08.42 | cladhaire | thats just the "i couldn't read anything from stdin" error |
| 19:08.49 | batrick | ic |
| 19:08.56 | cladhaire | very odd tho |
| 19:09.06 | cladhaire | that doesn't crash the interpreter |
| 19:09.09 | cladhaire | =/ |
| 19:09.19 | cladhaire | i get No output when i type that into Weblua |
| 19:09.40 | batrick | i dunno |
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| 19:09.50 | cladhaire | can you reload the page |
| 19:09.53 | cladhaire | and see if it does it again? |
| 19:09.56 | batrick | ok |
| 19:11.18 | batrick | a change I would recommend is, instead of having them edit the history directly, copy the string from the history into the current buffer |
| 19:11.36 | batrick | because if you make a change, it saves it in the history, rather than what is being done currently |
| 19:11.40 | batrick | if that makes sense |
| 19:13.46 | cladhaire | they don't edit the history directly |
| 19:14.00 | cladhaire | but i think i understand what you mean |
| 19:14.50 | Tekkub | question for you raiding mages (mogi) |
| 19:15.07 | Tekkub | do you ever apply amp/dampen magic en-masse to everyone |
| 19:15.16 | Tekkub | or is it just specific people (a tank)? |
| 19:15.19 | Tekkub | or just never |
| 19:15.27 | batrick | when i raided it was usually never |
| 19:16.03 | batrick | occasionally there is a boss is who purely melee (e.g. Patchwerk), where amplify magic was pretty useful |
| 19:16.06 | batrick | that's about it tho |
| 19:16.17 | zenzelezz | I recall everyone being buffed for Fankriss |
| 19:16.26 | batrick | dampen magic is rarely good because it hurts heals way too much |
| 19:16.31 | Tekkub | so there may be times when you want to keep the buff up on a sigle person? |
| 19:16.37 | batrick | yes |
| 19:16.44 | zenzelezz | Tekkub: Morogrim tank for example |
| 19:16.53 | zenzelezz | (if he lives 10 minutes) |
| 19:17.17 | Tekkub | okey... trying to simplify Cork's filters down... |
| 19:17.33 | dylanm | Why was it called Cork, out of curiosity? |
| 19:17.44 | Tekkub | so, Amp/Damp would need to be toggleable on when you want it, and either be "everyone" mode, or "one person" |
| 19:17.55 | Tekkub | put a cork in it |
| 19:18.19 | Tekkub | shut up all the people that want shit from you |
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| 19:18.22 | dylanm | Aha. |
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| 19:22.36 | SpiderBK | if i have a table which gets saved like table={["something"]="test"} and i always get a "attempt to index global 'table' (a nil value)" msg on uireload, what could be the problem? |
| 19:22.55 | batrick | you are indexing it with nil |
| 19:23.08 | batrick | e.g. |
| 19:23.16 | batrick | !lua t = {} return t[nil] |
| 19:23.16 | batbot | batrick: > nil |
| 19:23.20 | batrick | uh |
| 19:24.21 | dylanm | SpiderBK: What do you mean by "saved"? |
| 19:24.32 | Legorol | Need emergency Naxx tip: |
| 19:24.34 | batrick | btw, don't make a global called "table", it replaces the library called table |
| 19:24.40 | zenzelezz | are you waiting for VARIABLES_LOADED before accessing the table? |
| 19:24.40 | Legorol | how do you get through the room full of slimes on the way to patchwerk? |
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| 19:24.47 | Legorol | we seem to aggro the whole room |
| 19:24.55 | batrick | Legorol: you're supposed to |
| 19:25.03 | batrick | you have to kite them in a big circle |
| 19:25.05 | zenzelezz | Legorol: AoE and keep moving IIRC |
| 19:25.09 | batrick | and mages do blizzard/flamestrike |
| 19:25.15 | Legorol | i see |
| 19:25.18 | batrick | hunters multishot, etc. |
| 19:25.19 | Legorol | that'll be tough ^^ |
| 19:25.22 | Legorol | 2 mages in the raid |
| 19:25.23 | Legorol | got it |
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| 19:25.58 | zenzelezz | Legorol: let's just say that my guild's strategy when we came there was Soulstone a resser, everyone make a run for it |
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| 19:26.46 | batrick | it's really not that hard |
| 19:26.55 | batrick | especially if you're all 70... |
| 19:27.34 | SpiderBK | dylanm: the table is saved in the wtf folder |
| 19:27.54 | dylanm | SpiderBK: You're not actually calling it "table" right |
| 19:28.01 | SpiderBK | no |
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| 19:28.27 | dylanm | pastey where you're accessing it? You're sure it's saving something/ |
| 19:28.57 | SpiderBK | dylanm: it is saved, at least its written in the file |
| 19:29.06 | NightHawkTheSane | The only thing more annoying than coders who think that writing idiotic wrapper classes on top of .NET data tables is a good idea is having to code obnoxious end-runs around their buggy code a year later. >< |
| 19:29.06 | dylanm | Okay. What's your line that's failing? |
| 19:29.18 | zenzelezz | SpiderBK: this is happening during the loading screen? |
| 19:29.57 | dylanm | And you're waiting until at least the ADDON_LOADED event for your addon? |
| 19:30.10 | dylanm | VARIABLES_LOADED works, PLAYER_LOGIN, ... |
| 19:30.11 | zenzelezz | or VARIABLES_LOADED, as I already asked |
| 19:30.27 | dylanm | Yeah I was hoping he'd answer this time :p |
| 19:30.36 | SpiderBK | dylanm: i use ADDON_LOADED |
| 19:31.06 | dylanm | pastey pastey |
| 19:31.41 | zenzelezz | SpiderBK: and you're checking that the ADDON_LOADED is for your paritcular addon, not some other? |
| 19:32.08 | SpiderBK | if (event=="ADDON_LOADED") and (arg1=="Distance3") then.... |
| 19:32.46 | zenzelezz | then you're most likely accessing the table incorrectly |
| 19:33.14 | SpiderBK | i get the error when i try to do something like print(table.something) |
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| 19:34.15 | dylanm | Hrm. |
| 19:34.18 | SpiderBK | if i have a function in OnUpdate which uses these table entrys, how do i make sure that the update only starts after the table is loaded? |
| 19:35.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Only do it after VARIABLES_LOADED |
| 19:35.38 | dylanm | I don't expect it'll get shown until after that happens... but you could set the OnUpdate script in your variable load function. |
| 19:40.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Steampunk'd nerf gun.. |
| 19:40.35 | NightHawkTheSane | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=160230667443&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=006#ebayphotohosting |
| 19:46.32 | dylanm | That's pretty neat. |
| 19:47.45 | SpiderBK | ah damn forgot something in the default table:/ |
| 19:48.13 | cncfanatics | register your OnUpdate script at the VARIABLES_LOADED event |
| 19:48.37 | SpiderBK | how exactly does that work? |
| 19:49.03 | SpiderBK | with setscript? |
| 19:49.53 | cncfanatics | function EventHandler(this, Event) if(Event == "VARIABLES_LOADED") then this:RegisterScript("OnUpdate", FUNCTION_I_WANT_TO_RUN_ONUPDATE); end; Frame:SetScript("OnEvent", EventHandler); |
| 19:49.54 | dylanm | Bingo. |
| 19:49.56 | cncfanatics | something like that |
| 19:50.16 | cncfanatics | with added tabulations and newlines ofc :p |
| 19:50.42 | SpiderBK | i will do that:D, thx |
| 19:50.58 | cncfanatics | I might also have made a typo or two, as I so often do :p |
| 19:51.05 | cncfanatics | but the logic shld be good |
| 19:51.56 | SpiderBK | should i use VARIABLES_LOADED or ADDON_LOADED? |
| 19:54.06 | SpiderBK | is it set or register script? o_O |
| 19:56.14 | cncfanatics | SetScript |
| 19:56.37 | nevcairiel | why would you write a wrapper around :SetScript o.O |
| 19:57.58 | Polarina | cncfanatics: Use frame:HookScript |
| 19:58.39 | cncfanatics | HookScript fails if there is no old script set |
| 19:58.45 | Polarina | Ok. |
| 19:59.39 | nevcairiel | And :HookScript is a rather expensive secure-hook |
| 19:59.44 | nevcairiel | for scripts that dont need to be secure, use your own hooking |
| 19:59.45 | cncfanatics | + when I wrote that wrapper code HookScript didn't exist |
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| 19:59.55 | cncfanatics | so I wrote my RegisterScript func :p |
| 20:00.08 | nevcairiel | i suppose it hooks when something is set? :p |
| 20:00.34 | cncfanatics | its on frames I'm sure nothing is set |
| 20:00.41 | cncfanatics | so it sets its own script if nothing is set |
| 20:00.49 | cncfanatics | and that function loops through a table of functions |
| 20:01.29 | cncfanatics | its just so I can have multiple script / event functions defined |
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| 20:11.07 | Gnarfoz | wtf |
| 20:11.18 | Gnarfoz | my email client has learned magic now |
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| 20:12.04 | Gnarfoz | I moved the actual files to another location (via one of the built-in functions to do that)... and now I can open attachments to emails although they are not there |
| 20:12.08 | Gnarfoz | wtf? |
| 20:12.41 | batrick | cncfanatics: putting the global in the header file was correct |
| 20:12.54 | batrick | although odd :) |
| 20:13.10 | cncfanatics | see ! |
| 20:13.31 | batrick | usually i've seen it declared in the .c file |
| 20:13.47 | batrick | but after preproccessing, it ends up there anyway =) |
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| 20:14.33 | Syzgyn | ~hate Internet Explorer |
| 20:14.33 | purl | Hey syzgyn, ,,|, |
| 20:14.49 | Gnarfoz | ;D |
| 20:14.52 | Syzgyn | ouch |
| 20:15.38 | Syzgyn | my webapp works fine in every other browser, but IE decided it doesn't want to recognize one of my xml objects. |
| 20:19.27 | cncfanatics | Syzgyn: its cool IE respects all standards eh ? |
| 20:20.07 | Syzgyn | I know! |
| 20:20.27 | Syzgyn | feel like looking through my shoddy code for a solution? |
| 20:21.42 | cncfanatics | well, I'm currently debugging my addon |
| 20:21.46 | cncfanatics | after that, maybe |
| 20:22.27 | Syzgyn | http://pastey.net/87077 whenever you get around to it, thanks :) |
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| 20:24.17 | VonHellmann | I was in here yesterday and someone answered me but I was unfortunately afk. |
| 20:24.33 | VonHellmann | My Khaos config screen is closing a second after I open it from the escape menu. |
| 20:24.37 | VonHellmann | How do I fix this? |
| 20:25.26 | cncfanatics | Syzgyn: might take a while :p |
| 20:25.50 | cncfanatics | VonHellmann: I suggest you search in the IRC logs for the answer |
| 20:26.16 | VonHellmann | Sucks that I'm using the Web java-based irc. |
| 20:26.18 | VonHellmann | or I would. |
| 20:26.18 | VonHellmann | :/ |
| 20:26.36 | Syzgyn | cncfanatics: I'm in no particuar rush |
| 20:26.37 | pastamancer | actually, I don't see an answer.. at least not a useful one |
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| 20:27.03 | VonHellmann | bummer. |
| 20:27.44 | pastamancer | http://ibot.rikers.org/%23wowuidev/20080501.html.gz |
| 20:27.51 | pastamancer | feel free to check yourself |
| 20:29.05 | VonHellmann | yes I see nothing pastamancer. |
| 20:30.56 | Saint-N | because branches solve everything ;P |
| 20:31.18 | Saint-N | if you branch enough even crap code will work |
| 20:31.21 | Saint-N | it's neat ;) |
| 20:31.23 | cncfanatics | lol |
| 20:31.29 | cncfanatics | branches are nice to sort code tbh |
| 20:31.38 | cncfanatics | but its not like it'll make your crap code better Saint-N :p |
| 20:33.34 | Saint-N | no but itll work |
| 20:33.42 | Saint-N | and as MS has proved, thats all that matters ;) |
| 20:33.53 | Saint-N | err "work" |
| 20:35.58 | Saint-N | lies! |
| 20:36.19 | alestane | Will :GetText() ever return nil, or just ""? |
| 20:36.26 | Saint-N | you own an xbox360, xbox, zune, windows mobile 6.0 phone, and have a windows ME cluster |
| 20:36.30 | Saint-N | you can't fool me! |
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| 20:39.20 | cncfanatics | I don't have an xbox, zune, or a windows mobile phone |
| 20:39.30 | cncfanatics | Idon't have any clusters either :p |
| 20:40.00 | foxlit | or so you say! |
| 20:42.02 | Saint-N | i know eh foxlit?! |
| 20:42.08 | Saint-N | he's just mebarassed he purchased ME |
| 20:42.23 | Saint-N | and uses it and tells all his friends that it was microsofts last GREAT OS |
| 20:43.19 | cncfanatics | lol |
| 20:43.56 | Saint-N | okay im stretching it with the "friends" part but you get the idea ;) |
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| 20:44.40 | cncfanatics | I supose so :p |
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| 20:47.37 | amro | only the main page however |
| 20:47.40 | amro | I suspect the poll |
| 20:47.47 | amro | since it started after I clicked on it |
| 20:48.53 | amro | er wrong window |
| 20:48.54 | amro | >< |
| 20:50.42 | Saint-N | never lick the pole amro |
| 20:50.46 | Saint-N | you should know better |
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| 20:53.48 | Saint-N | i thought you said 3 days? |
| 20:54.04 | Saint-N | or have i REALLY lost track of time |
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| 20:54.35 | Shirik | eh, it was 2 |
| 20:54.44 | Shirik | I changed the trip slightly |
| 20:55.11 | Saint-N | not freeway restroom stops for trucker gratification? |
| 20:55.17 | Saint-N | err no |
| 20:55.41 | Saint-N | ya know i always forget that dc is south of nyc |
| 20:56.09 | Shirik | I still have another day |
| 20:56.13 | Shirik | I need to go up to PA |
| 20:56.17 | Shirik | but won't do that for another few days |
| 20:56.24 | Tem|afk | Penny Arcade? |
| 20:56.30 | Saint-N | prince albert |
| 20:56.30 | cncfanatics | with lua patterns, how would I match everything except () and spaces ? |
| 20:56.52 | Shirik | [^%(%) ] |
| 20:57.04 | Shirik | the escapes for ( and ) might not be necessary |
| 20:57.18 | Shirik | I tend to over-escape things |
| 20:57.19 | Guillotine | they are I believe |
| 20:57.29 | Guillotine | it doesn't matter, over escaping doesn't hurt |
| 20:57.32 | Shirik | yeah |
| 20:57.36 | Shirik | that's my philosophy :) |
| 20:58.38 | cncfanatics | thanks Shirik |
| 20:58.39 | cncfanatics | <3 |
| 20:58.43 | Shirik | :) |
| 20:58.54 | batrick | you don't need to escape special characters in classes |
| 20:59.03 | batrick | I don't think you can anyway |
| 20:59.12 | nevcairiel | batrick: and if i want to use ] ? :P |
| 20:59.23 | batrick | !lua string.match("%", "[%(]") |
| 20:59.25 | batbot | batrick: > nil |
| 20:59.33 | batrick | guess you can |
| 20:59.47 | batrick | but you don't have to |
| 20:59.47 | cladhaire | REALLY? |
| 20:59.51 | cladhaire | i'm being vetted for sunken temple |
| 20:59.58 | cladhaire | i can't go unless i tell them how much mana and +healing i have |
| 20:59.59 | Shirik | ~dict vetted |
| 21:00.04 | Shirik | rofl |
| 21:00.17 | Shirik | ST is srs bsns |
| 21:00.18 | Yssaril | hmm anyone else confused by his post? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6248586112&pageNo=1&sid=1#0 arent the rewards the same as last years? |
| 21:00.19 | pastamancer | cladhaire: they're lucky they can find someone willing to even go! |
| 21:00.29 | cladhaire | for _sunkenthats what i said. |
| 21:00.34 | pastamancer | everyone I know wouldn't go to ST even if you paid them |
| 21:00.38 | Shirik | Hey cool, I got an "A" in my EE lab |
| 21:00.42 | Shirik | and I skipped 2 of the labs |
| 21:00.47 | Guillotine | haha, grats |
| 21:00.53 | cncfanatics | nice :p |
| 21:00.58 | Saint-N | woot home time! |
| 21:01.02 | batrick | !lua string.match("(", "[(]") |
| 21:01.02 | batbot | batrick: > ( |
| 21:01.05 | Shirik | Yssaril: I wouldn't be surprised. It's not unheard of |
| 21:01.05 | batrick | you can do that ho ^ |
| 21:01.09 | batrick | though* |
| 21:01.12 | Shirik | and not the first time it's happened |
| 21:01.15 | Shirik | damn it art3mis! |
| 21:01.26 | Shirik | art3mis always confuses the hell out of my IRC client |
| 21:01.29 | Shirik | (16:59:05) - Netsplit ("D.M.S.R. - .gz.") 1 quits: Saint-N |
| 21:01.45 | batrick | cuz ur irc client is baddd |
| 21:01.53 | batrick | mirc lul |
| 21:01.58 | Shirik | not mirc |
| 21:02.04 | Shirik | nbs-irc |
| 21:02.07 | Shirik | over mirc |
| 21:02.10 | batrick | same difference |
| 21:02.12 | Shirik | but it's practically not mirc anymore |
| 21:02.17 | ScytheBlade1 | It's mIRC |
| 21:02.20 | ScytheBlade1 | And you're dirty |
| 21:02.24 | ScytheBlade1 | </conversation> |
| 21:02.35 | Shirik | it's like, ok |
| 21:02.42 | ScytheBlade1 | 17:02 < ScytheBlade1> </conversation> |
| 21:02.43 | ScytheBlade1 | ! |
| 21:02.47 | Shirik | :( |
| 21:02.49 | batrick | i think shirik loves loving bad software |
| 21:02.51 | ScytheBlade1 | :) |
| 21:02.54 | batrick | kinda like VS lol! |
| 21:02.55 | Shirik | No it's like this |
| 21:03.22 | Shirik | mirc is like a filter, it has some impedance (let's say 75%) that stops us from doing what we want because it sucks |
| 21:03.23 | batrick | inc wall of text |
| 21:03.29 | batrick | WOW |
| 21:03.34 | batrick | shirik go outside |
| 21:03.35 | Shirik | nbs-irc is like an open-loop gain op amp |
| 21:03.35 | ScytheBlade1 | No matter what you say, think, or do in your defense |
| 21:03.37 | Shirik | it's awesome |
| 21:03.38 | ScytheBlade1 | It's still mIRC |
| 21:03.43 | ScytheBlade1 | And it's still horrible |
| 21:03.48 | batrick | 15:03:34 < batrick> shirik go outside |
| 21:03.50 | Shirik | so in the end, we still get infinite voltage (limited by how much we want) |
| 21:03.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Or |
| 21:04.01 | ScytheBlade1 | You could use an actual client |
| 21:04.06 | cncfanatics | omg, all die :p |
| 21:04.07 | Shirik | <3 batbot |
| 21:04.08 | ScytheBlade1 | And script stuff in either C or python |
| 21:04.09 | Shirik | <3 batrick |
| 21:04.17 | batrick | !g irssi |
| 21:04.17 | Yssaril | ScytheBlade1: what do you use? |
| 21:04.17 | batbot | batrick: Irssi - The client of the future <http://www.irssi.org/> |
| 21:04.20 | batrick | go get it shirik |
| 21:04.27 | Shirik | Yssaril: CTCP/VERSION |
| 21:04.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Yssaril: irssi right now, xchat-2 on my desktop |
| 21:04.41 | Shirik | Wheee Term 3.182 11.00 11.00 35.00 |
| 21:04.48 | Shirik | And that's with my crappy C in signals & systems |
| 21:04.50 | Shirik | I'll take that |
| 21:05.20 | batrick | f signals |
| 21:05.21 | batrick | imo |
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| 21:05.49 | Shirik | I get to take DSP next semester! |
| 21:05.58 | batrick | have fun |
| 21:06.04 | batrick | im glad i don't have to take that shit |
| 21:06.14 | Shirik | it was an elective |
| 21:06.20 | batrick | i have nine credit hours to take in my spring semester lol |
| 21:06.22 | Shirik | it sounded fun |
| 21:07.00 | Shirik | I still have nightmares of sinc functions though |
| 21:07.09 | cncfanatics | weee, my code works :) |
| 21:08.09 | Shirik | .... |
| 21:08.21 | Shirik | I can't believe someone on the mailing list asked how to load something produced by string.dump |
| 21:08.55 | Shirik | like seriously, the manual: "Returns a string containing a binary representation of the given function, so that a later loadstring on this string returns a copy of the function." |
| 21:09.05 | Shirik | How else did you find out about string.dump |
| 21:09.16 | Tem|afk | Shirik, reply with RTFM |
| 21:09.25 | Shirik | thought about it, but I'm a day late |
| 21:09.40 | Tem|afk | ah |
| 21:10.00 | durcyn | ooh, i know, bitch about it in irc instead ;) |
| 21:10.01 | Shirik | oh hey, batrick, you still there? |
| 21:10.12 | Shirik | durcyn: That's more fun :) |
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| 21:13.18 | cncfanatics | so, to copy a function you could do loadstring(string.dump(function)); ? :o |
| 21:13.33 | cncfanatics | no cleaner way to really *copy* a func heh ? (just being curious) |
| 21:14.04 | nevcairiel | why would you need a copy of a func, ever? |
| 21:15.40 | cncfanatics | dunno |
| 21:15.57 | Shirik | functions are immutable so it does raise an interesting question |
| 21:16.32 | Shirik | obviously the use of string.dump is to allow you to serialize a function. But I do have to admit loadstring(string.dump(function)) seems kinda pointless :P |
| 21:16.40 | Shirik | unless you want to test GC |
| 21:18.02 | Guillotine | though note that in WoW at least, you can't loadstring a string.dump |
| 21:18.10 | cncfanatics | why is that ? :o |
| 21:18.30 | Shirik | to block loading compiled code |
| 21:18.34 | Guillotine | yup |
| 21:18.42 | Shirik | they had issues back in Beta with something... thottbot? |
| 21:18.58 | cncfanatics | ah, understandable |
| 21:19.05 | cncfanatics | you could compile code with string.dump indeed |
| 21:19.11 | Shirik | so now the best you can do is obfuscate |
| 21:19.20 | cncfanatics | why do they absolutely want to block that though ? |
| 21:19.23 | Shirik | which is always reversable obviously |
| 21:19.33 | Shirik | because it's an open community and they don't want "bad code" to go undetectable |
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| 21:19.48 | Shirik | at least that's my take on it |
| 21:19.50 | cncfanatics | that would be a valid reason if they fixed their own bad code ? :p |
| 21:19.51 | Shirik | I agree with the stance |
| 21:20.13 | Shirik | the way to "fix" it would be to block some critical function calls |
| 21:20.16 | Shirik | like being able to send mail |
| 21:20.27 | Shirik | it would severely restrict everyone |
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| 21:22.46 | Tem|afk | Shirik, well, it just depends on how the taint system is implemented |
| 21:23.14 | Tem|afk | if it's an extra int on each lua structure, then you could have different kinds of taint |
| 21:23.21 | Tem|afk | (mindfuck, I know) |
| 21:23.38 | cncfanatics | even if its just a char you could have different kind of tains |
| 21:23.43 | Shirik | mm, I'm confused what you mean |
| 21:23.45 | cncfanatics | and it can't really be less then a byte can it ? |
| 21:23.58 | Tem|afk | but it would allow compiled code to have an extra level of restriction |
| 21:24.03 | cncfanatics | you could have taint from compiled files that is more restricted then uncompiled files |
| 21:24.05 | Shirik | oh I see what you're saying |
| 21:24.09 | Shirik | to let compiled code be "safe" |
| 21:24.15 | Tem|afk | cncfanatics, well, it could theoretically be a boolean |
| 21:24.22 | Shirik | that would be interesting actually |
| 21:24.36 | Tem|afk | which doesn't need to be more than a single bit |
| 21:24.43 | cncfanatics | true |
| 21:24.48 | Shirik | yeah but in today's world, memory is cheap. It's more efficient to make it a 32 bit int |
| 21:24.51 | Tem|afk | I don't remember what the standard is for that, though |
| 21:25.04 | cncfanatics | Tem|afk: that would mean though they they'd need an extra var for blizz code too ? |
| 21:25.16 | cncfanatics | wait, no, nvm that |
| 21:25.22 | cncfanatics | all nonblizz code is tainted |
| 21:25.22 | foxlit | I think promoting taint/protected functions as a fix-all against bad code is missing the point somewhat. |
| 21:25.35 | cncfanatics | unsafe code ~= bad code |
| 21:25.57 | cncfanatics | it would be more a measure to protect against unsafe compiled code |
| 21:26.01 | foxlit | Even if you can't do evil things yourself, you can misguide the user enough to make him do evil things. |
| 21:26.13 | cncfanatics | still harder |
| 21:26.19 | Shirik | Yeah I think Blizzard made the right choice in blocking compiled code all-out |
| 21:26.28 | Shirik | despite the fact that it would be nice in some cases to serialize functions |
| 21:26.30 | cncfanatics | agree, but its a nice conversatio nsubject :p |
| 21:28.56 | Cide | they didn't at first :P |
| 21:29.08 | Cide | which is a funny story |
| 21:29.36 | Guillotine | I mean, really, where would the advantage be in being able to load compiled code? |
| 21:30.08 | cncfanatics | the first reason would be speed |
| 21:30.18 | Cide | meh |
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| 21:30.38 | cncfanatics | and some tards not wanting to code opensource ofc, you always have some of those (they're usualy the same people that want to charge for their bad code) |
| 21:30.41 | Cide | I'd use it for libraries |
| 21:30.52 | Cide | cncfanatics: don't generalize :) |
| 21:31.02 | cncfanatics | I said usualy |
| 21:31.07 | cncfanatics | not always :p |
| 21:31.24 | Shirik | speed? |
| 21:31.29 | Cide | ya, but there are reasons for closed source code too |
| 21:31.30 | Shirik | You'd gain practically nothing imo |
| 21:31.38 | Shirik | the only time you gain is at load |
| 21:31.58 | cncfanatics | yea, libraries totaly don't need load time improvements do they ? |
| 21:32.08 | cncfanatics | <3 ace2 |
| 21:32.51 | Guillotine | Sure, the load speed might be increased a VERY small bit. But then think about the extra load from tracking of a NEW type of taint |
| 21:33.08 | Tem|afk | Guillotine, that's what we were just discussing |
| 21:33.15 | Guillotine | I know :P |
| 21:33.16 | Tem|afk | if it's already an int there'd be no load increase at all |
| 21:33.22 | Guillotine | right |
| 21:33.35 | foxlit | http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/05/02/wow-china-gets-all-access-pass-in-queldanas/#comments |
| 21:33.50 | cncfanatics | if its not an int, changing it to a bool wouldn't even slow it down I think |
| 21:34.11 | cncfanatics | s/to a bool/to an int or char/ |
| 21:34.17 | Guillotine | I mean, blizzard specifically went out of their way to disable compiled code. It used to be usable. Theres no way it will be enabled. |
| 21:34.35 | foxlit | write own interpreter |
| 21:34.40 | foxlit | compile for own interpreter |
| 21:34.42 | foxlit | ??? |
| 21:34.43 | foxlit | profit! |
| 21:34.52 | Shirik | metalua? |
| 21:35.39 | Drundia | make encryption library then do loadstring(decrypt(encryptedCode)) |
| 21:35.53 | Drundia | semi-hidden code |
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| 21:35.56 | foxlit | foiled by print(decrypt(encryptedCode)); |
| 21:36.05 | cncfanatics | indeed :p |
| 21:36.29 | Drundia | local encrypt |
| 21:36.34 | Drundia | nil after |
| 21:36.35 | foxlit | source edit |
| 21:36.39 | cncfanatics | wouldn't help really |
| 21:36.49 | cncfanatics | there's always a way with everything opensource |
| 21:36.52 | wereHamster | and what is the encryption algorithm? double rot13? |
| 21:36.56 | cncfanatics | if someone wants to read your code really bad, he will |
| 21:36.58 | foxlit | Point is, you can't stop anyone from reading your code, because the lua interpreter has to read it anyway |
| 21:37.02 | Drundia | any you can implement in lua |
| 21:37.15 | cncfanatics | you can implement SHA1 in lua if you wanted to |
| 21:37.19 | Drundia | compiled lua code isn't all that hard to read decompile either |
| 21:37.25 | cncfanatics | or heck, even public-private key encryption |
| 21:37.28 | foxlit | (why would you want hashing?) |
| 21:37.40 | cncfanatics | Drundia: true, but that ain't the original code anymore |
| 21:37.42 | foxlit | (and if you want to decrypt, you're shipping your private key. Awesome!) |
| 21:37.48 | cncfanatics | its been optimized and modified by the compiler |
| 21:38.11 | Drundia | compiled code will load faster |
| 21:38.21 | cncfanatics | scroll up, already been said :p |
| 21:39.39 | Drundia | they could cache all code source and flag string.dump'ed code somehow so it can be read back |
| 21:39.54 | Polarina | I implemented SHA-256 in Lua if anyone wants. :) |
| 21:39.57 | Drundia | in some hidden way like code security |
| 21:40.05 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha @ the Penny Arcade live stream |
| 21:40.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Gabe pauses it, writes "brb" on the screen |
| 21:40.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Moment passes |
| 21:40.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Erases "brb", adds |
| 21:40.30 | ScytheBlade1 | "back" "had to get some fruit by the foot" "mmmmmmmm" |
| 21:40.43 | cncfanatics | Polarina: WTB public-private key encryption for crypted chatting |
| 21:40.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Chatroom explodes, hahahahaha |
| 21:41.01 | Polarina | cncfanatics: Working on it. :) |
| 21:41.19 | cncfanatics | crypted chat would be very funny :p |
| 21:41.27 | cncfanatics | immagine the gold sellers :p |
| 21:41.28 | foxlit | http://downloads.curse.com/details/8018/ |
| 21:41.32 | foxlit | Knock yourself out. |
| 21:41.43 | durcyn | feh, the problem with PKI is still getting people to use it |
| 21:42.23 | cncfanatics | :o, funny |
| 21:42.49 | Polarina | cncfanatics: So you want encrypted chat through the World of Warcraft servers? |
| 21:43.14 | cncfanatics | no, but I could immagine gold sellers wanting that |
| 21:43.36 | Polarina | I don't see how they would want that. |
| 21:44.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Private communication from gold seller to gold seller |
| 21:44.45 | ScytheBlade1 | That's worthwhile. |
| 21:44.53 | ScytheBlade1 | (For the gold sellers) |
| 21:45.00 | foxlit | But why bother going through wow? |
| 21:45.08 | foxlit | You're likely to be in the same room/building/company |
| 21:45.19 | foxlit | May as well use another communication channel that isn't logged |
| 21:46.37 | cncfanatics | communication between gold seller & client ? |
| 21:46.40 | cncfanatics | less proof |
| 21:46.56 | foxlit | than something like MSN? |
| 21:47.09 | cncfanatics | mmm, true |
| 21:48.36 | foxlit | wrong agency |
| 21:48.51 | cncfanatics | s/CIA/NSA/ |
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| 21:50.00 | cncfanatics | you get the idea |
| 21:50.11 | cncfanatics | its feasible to compute prime numbers with a quantum computer |
| 21:50.48 | wereHamster | so you want to write a quantum computer emulator in lua and use that.. ? |
| 21:50.57 | Shirik | great idea |
| 21:51.00 | cncfanatics | lol |
| 21:51.00 | Shirik | let's do it |
| 21:52.11 | Shirik | it's kinda like when I overclocked my 68HCS12 simulator to 100 THz the other day |
| 21:52.12 | Shirik | that was fun |
| 21:52.44 | Shirik | Program stopped: BGND executed. Total time: 0.00ns |
| 21:53.42 | cncfanatics | what the ? |
| 21:54.05 | Shirik | I have a simulator for a microcontroller I work with. I set it to run at 100 THz. |
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| 21:54.46 | cncfanatics | 100 THz ? :o |
| 21:55.00 | Shirik | obviously the simulator can't run that fast :P |
| 21:55.12 | Shirik | It just goes as fast as it can and then adjusts the time reported accordingly |
| 21:55.24 | Shirik | but yeah |
| 21:55.34 | cncfanatics | anyway, i'm going to bed |
| 21:55.37 | cncfanatics | g'night everyone |
| 21:55.38 | Shirik | night night |
| 21:55.39 | cncfanatics | <3 Shirik |
| 21:56.48 | batrick | cncfanatics: if you want to copy a function |
| 21:56.58 | batrick | you make a wrapper for it |
| 21:57.21 | batrick | e.g. function(...) return realfunc(...) end |
| 21:57.38 | batrick | Shirik: what'd u want? |
| 21:57.49 | Shirik | check this out |
| 21:58.27 | Shirik | http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=207403521 |
| 21:59.14 | wereHamster | old news, was on slashdot a couple days ago |
| 21:59.16 | wereHamster | :P |
| 21:59.43 | kergoth | anyone seen SPELL_* oddities with COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED? |
| 21:59.53 | Shirik | Yeah well I only got a hold of batrick today :P |
| 22:00.05 | Shirik | read it on april 30 when it came out :P |
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| 22:02.12 | dylanm | kergoth: Be more specific? |
| 22:03.57 | batrick | Shirik: pretty cool =) |
| 22:04.06 | kergoth | nevermind, i see what i was doing wrong |
| 22:04.25 | kergoth | er, maybe |
| 22:04.27 | Shirik | batrick: Convinced me enough to buy some stock in HP :) |
| 22:05.18 | SpiderBK | kergoth: i have some strange behavior with it but im not sure ive done something wrong... |
| 22:05.21 | nevcairiel | we've all seen that article two days ago =P |
| 22:06.36 | Shirik | batrick obviously didn't! |
| 22:06.54 | kergoth | dylanm: heh, was calling UnitGUID("player") too early... it makes sense that it wouldnt be valid until PEW :P |
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| 23:11.00 | End | everytime I try to look up cleartype, I type clearfont |
| 23:12.09 | DuTempete | Bah, it isn't Kirkburn's fault you can't type and think at the same time. :P |
| 23:13.42 | wereHamster | it's the natures fault. women can do multi-tasking, men can't. |
| 23:13.48 | Lopeppeppy | Try chewing gum and sorting socks, whew. |
| 23:14.51 | DuTempete | That's a recipe for having to throw out some socks, Lopeppeppy |
| 23:15.22 | End | Just because I stick socks in my mouth... |
| 23:15.27 | Lopeppeppy | Who needs socks? |
| 23:19.56 | Shirik | socks are cute though |
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| 23:22.02 | Lopeppeppy | Socks... get in the way |
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| 23:31.13 | Shirik | in the way of? |
| 23:33.39 | Tem|Food | Shirik, |
| 23:33.40 | Tem|Food | no |
| 23:33.42 | Tem|Food | bad Shirik |
| 23:33.43 | Tem|Food | don't ask |
| 23:34.10 | Shirik | :( |
| 23:35.36 | Lopeppeppy | Toes. I will say they get in the way of toes. That's fair to say, without feeding anyone's kink. |
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| 23:36.50 | ScytheBlade1 | k |
| 23:36.54 | Shirik | k |
| 23:36.54 | ScytheBlade1 | And what you really meant to say = ? |
| 23:37.41 | Lopeppeppy | Do not wear socks when relaxing. |
| 23:37.45 | Lopeppeppy | They make your toes cry. |
| 23:37.54 | Tem | Shoes are prisons for your feet |
| 23:37.59 | Lopeppeppy | Toes should be free to roam in the jungle while you watch television. |
| 23:38.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Eww, TV |
| 23:38.31 | Lopeppeppy | I like movies to quilt by. Soon I shall be doing exactly that. |
| 23:39.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm pretty sure by now that I'll never own an actual television in my life |
| 23:39.31 | ScytheBlade1 | There's a reason I have widescreen monitors with wall mounts |
| 23:39.48 | Shirik | YES! Found my 100 foot ethernet cable. Now I can use my computer instead of my parents' |
| 23:40.00 | Lopeppeppy | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:40.10 | Shirik | why envy? |
| 23:40.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: could have just asked me, I've got a 1000' spool + 500 RJ45 headers in my trunk |
| 23:40.14 | Shirik | I still have both socks and shoes on |
| 23:40.26 | Lopeppeppy | Something mysterious happened to my longline, I can't use my laptop in the living room except the unreliable wireless. |
| 23:40.31 | Lopeppeppy | Take them off, Shirik. |
| 23:41.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: that sounded vaugely like an order |
| 23:41.35 | ScytheBlade1 | (It's probably best that you comply) |
| 23:42.00 | Lopeppeppy | No, just a suggestion. HIs feets are in prison, did they do something wrong? |
| 23:42.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Speaking of, I need to wash some socks |
| 23:42.26 | ScytheBlade1 | brb washer! |
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| 23:44.25 | enum | is there an event that fires when a target dies? |
| 23:44.55 | Shirik | yes |
| 23:45.04 | Shirik | I forget what it is though |
| 23:45.09 | enum | hehe |
| 23:45.22 | enum | ok, well at least I know my searching isn't in vain |
| 23:45.43 | ScytheBlade1 | UNIT_DIED iirc |
| 23:46.07 | enum | hmm, not in the events list |
| 23:46.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm, I see PLAYER_DEAD |
| 23:46.52 | enum | ah, there is a UNIT_DIED in the 2.4 combat api |
| 23:46.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh that's right |
| 23:46.59 | Tem | PLAYER_DEAD is for self death imo |
| 23:47.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem: yeah |
| 23:47.18 | ScytheBlade1 | enum: so COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED for you |
| 23:47.21 | enum | thanks everyone |
| 23:50.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh hey, whoo |
| 23:50.06 | ScytheBlade1 | My Zaurus still boots up |
| 23:50.08 | enum | blah, that fires when anything nearby dies |
| 23:50.24 | ScytheBlade1 | enum: yeah, filter the src (dst?) flags |
| 23:50.29 | enum | guess it's time for flaghs |
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| 23:50.34 | enum | ScytheBlade1: yeah |
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| 23:55.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm, can't find my stylus though |
| 23:55.23 | Lopeppeppy | In the washer? |
| 23:55.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh |
| 23:55.33 | ScytheBlade1 | I haven't touched my Z in about a year, sadly |
| 23:55.38 | ScytheBlade1 | So probably not :) |
| 23:56.05 | Lopeppeppy | New stylus required. *nod* |
| 23:56.14 | Lopeppeppy | BRB, swapping computers for comfort zone. |
| 23:56.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Finger ftw right now |
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