IRC log for #wowuidev on 20080501

00:00.54RockSlicelootable meaning you can loot items from it.  eg a lockbox
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00:04.28AerobahnHello Friends.
00:04.45Lopeppeppy<PROTECTED>
00:05.20AerobahnMorning? Are you Aussie? :)
00:06.45LopeppeppySomeone help Peppy by getting purl to explain?  I forget the right words.
00:07.36sag_ich_nicht~logs
00:07.37purlit has been said that logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz
00:07.57CrysliI don't think that was the one :D
00:08.08sag_ich_nichtno
00:08.11sag_ich_nichtbut i needed logs
00:08.27LopeppeppyIt's always morning on the internet, just live with it.  :)
00:08.39zenzelezz~ugt
00:08.40purl[ugt] Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html
00:08.46CrysliThat's the one.
00:09.10zenzelezz\o/
00:09.38LopeppeppyLearn to like it.  *sniff*
00:09.56LegorolI think \o/ is a sign of jubilation
00:10.02art3misi woudlnt do the sniff part peppy
00:10.04sag_ich_nicht~woot
00:10.14art3miszen is funky but not in a good way
00:10.32sag_ich_nicht~literal woot
00:10.43sag_ich_nichtmhm
00:10.43sag_ich_nicht~purl
00:10.44purlACTION purrs.
00:10.44art3mishe's funky not funkaaaaaaayyyyyy
00:10.47sag_ich_nichtk
00:10.54sag_ich_nicht~w00t
00:10.54purlw00t!!!
00:11.00sag_ich_nichtmeh
00:11.09sag_ich_nichtpurl, woot is \o/
00:11.10purlsag_ich_nicht: okay
00:12.14art3misboobies!
00:12.17art3mis~woot
00:12.18purlmethinks woot is o/
00:12.28art3mis~fail sag
00:12.29purlsag, you Fail!
00:13.01zenzelezz<Lopeppeppy> Learn to like it.  *sniff* <-- do you not know what \o/ means?
00:13.19art3misboobies yay \o/
00:13.27art3missee its a good thing ;)
00:13.48Lopeppeppyzenzelezz, tell me what it means for you, because now I'm all suspicious...
00:13.59RockSlicedo people actually discuss UI developement for WoW on this channel?
00:14.01art3missame as the boobies peppy ;P
00:14.08art3missometimes rock
00:14.15sag_ich_nichtmeh
00:14.19art3mismost of the time we hit on zen though
00:14.24zenzelezzit's like they say, arms raised above your head like when cheering
00:14.24sag_ich_nichtpurl no, woot is \\o/
00:14.25purlsag_ich_nicht: okay
00:14.27sag_ich_nicht~woot
00:14.27purlit has been said that woot is \o/
00:14.50sag_ich_nichtpurl no, woot <reply> \\o/
00:15.00sag_ich_nichtpurl no, woot is <reply> \\o/
00:15.00purlokay, sag_ich_nicht
00:15.01sag_ich_nichtfixed
00:15.03sag_ich_nicht~woot
00:15.04purl\o/
00:15.07sag_ich_nicht:P
00:15.13art3mis<PROTECTED>
00:15.40art3mis>\
00:15.48CrysliIt's like watching someone teaching their dog a new trick, only sadder.
00:17.32art3mishttp://brasil.indymedia.org/images/2004/07/287718.gif
00:17.44CrysliOh dear god
00:18.11CrysliWell, I'm going to sleep a bit, so I'm off. That means it is now late, Arobahn ;)
00:18.24art3mishave fun!
00:18.46art3misim gonna sit here and finish off my 1lb of gummy bears
00:19.05art3misand then twitch from sugar for a few hours
00:19.10Aerobahn:P
00:19.12CrysliYour teeth will be numb when you've eaten them all.
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00:22.50Aerobahnarghhh, I can't seem to figure out what's wrong with my mod. It loads fine, the code seems perfect, but it won't detect innervate when it's cast :x
00:23.07AerobahnIm  obviously missing something, does anyone mind taking a look? ;x
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00:23.30sag_ich_nichti sreep now, night.
00:23.37kergothAntiarc: boo
00:23.48SyzgynAerobahn: put it on a pastey and I'll see if I see anything
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00:26.18AerobahnThanks Syzgyn! http://pastebin.ca/1003487
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00:26.57SyzgynWhere is dstFlags defined?
00:28.09Syzgynyou make event and dstName, but not dstFlags
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00:29.13Aerobahnhrmmm, okay one sec
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00:31.41Aerobahnok, try http://pastebin.ca/1003489 :)
00:34.28Syzgyndoes it still not work?
00:40.18Shirikis the login server down?
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00:40.42Shiriknm
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00:41.34art3misshirik
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00:41.46art3misdid you read that thingy sag linked about memristors?
00:41.54WobWorkhttp://www.wikileaks.org/wiki/Church_of_Scientology_collected_Operating_Thetan_documents
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00:42.12WobWorkif anyone feels they need reading material
00:42.30GuillotineAnybody in the LA area interested in having an unofficial UI meet-up on May 18th for a Jonathan Coulton concert? (At House of Blues. More info at http://eventful.com/events/west-hollywood/music-jonathan-coulton-tickets-/E0-001-011388386-1 )
00:44.28Cairenn<3 house of blues
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00:47.19LopeppeppyI've been a music hound all week, just odd stuff.
00:47.25art3miswobin: heh 24th posted 27th legal letter 30th still there ;)
00:47.42Guillotinehuh? o.O
00:47.47Guillotineoh
00:47.49art3misread wobs linkie
00:48.54LopeppeppyIf I had to choose, Cairenn, I'd go with Big Bad World One.
00:48.58art3misfound them trashing about 10-15 years ago at a telco
00:49.19GuillotineOoo, <3 Big Bad World One
00:49.29LopeppeppyDeadly favorite of mine.
00:49.44GuillotineReally, I like just about all of his stuff
00:50.32art3misand Rev Horton Heat ;)
00:52.21Lopeppeppyhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWRvCdE8obg
00:57.45Keiasukuleles are awesome
00:57.53KeiasI had one when I was a kid, but never learned to really play it :(
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01:16.23VonHellmannmy Khaos interface is closing a half second after I open it from the escape menu. Why? And how do I fix it?
01:22.00VonHellmannanyone?
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01:27.23Industrialso i started by youtubing for ukelele
01:27.26Industrialand I end with http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbNlqXHVyoM&feature=related
01:30.13Kasomust be some hemidemisemiquavers in there.
01:30.43Lopeppeppy*snark*
01:31.51enum*blorch*
01:37.27KasoSnark?
01:37.31Kasolike from half life?
01:38.35enumanyone know of a function to count the number of elements in a table, or nested table?
01:38.54enumfor example if t[1] has 3 sub elements, I want to count that
01:39.15LopeppeppyOrigin: Snark="snide remark".
01:40.07Kasoenum,
01:40.12Kaso#table
01:40.28Kasowill be the number of number -indexed elements of the table
01:41.06Kasoso t={[1]="a",[2]="b",[3]="c",[4]="d"} #t == 4
01:42.24Kasobut t={["test"]=fred, ["blah"]=1}  #t == 0
01:43.13enumodd.. I have this structure: t = { [1] = { [a]="arg1", [b]="arg2" } [2] = { [a] = "arg1", [b] = "arg2" } }
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01:43.22MaelstromScriptiworks?
01:43.51enumso, based on what you just said. The keys need to be numeric?
01:44.33Kasodepends, given on what you said, a and b are variables i dont know yet
01:44.39KasoMaelstromScripti, we can hear you
01:44.49enumso I guess #t[1] wouldn't work :)
01:45.06Kasowhat are a and b ?
01:45.30enumoops, a and b should be encased in quotes ["a"] and ["b"]
01:45.30MaelstromScriptisorry, wrong chat
01:45.32enumstring keys
01:45.57Kasoin that case you'd have to use pairs() to itterate over the table and count them up yourself
01:46.03enumdamn
01:46.43enumwhat about this...
01:46.44enumt = { ["string"] = { [1]="arg1", [1]="arg2" } ["string2"] = { [1] = "arg1", [1] = "arg2" } }
01:47.00enumuse a string for my top level, then call #t["string"]
01:47.20Kasothat'd return 2 then
01:49.20enumvery nice... exactly what I needed. thanks Kaso
01:49.55enumI'm used to working w/ arrays in PHP. a simple count($arr) gives me what I need no matter the key type
01:50.39Kasoyah lua tables are somewhat odd, depending on key-type their either arrays or hash tables
01:52.09Kasoand can be both at once in cases like t={"a","b",["a"]=1,["b"]=2}
01:52.28enumright right
01:55.57MentalPowerenum: in your example table you have duplicate keys
01:56.05MentalPowerlua> t = { ["string"] = { [1]="arg1", [1]="arg2" } ["string2"] = { [1] = "arg1", [1] = "arg2" } } pp(t)
01:56.06lua_botMentalPower: luabot:1: '}' expected near '['
01:56.20MentalPowerlua> t = { ["string"] = { [1]="arg1", [1]="arg2" }, ["string2"] = { [1] = "arg1", [1] = "arg2" } } pp(t)
01:56.20lua_botMentalPower: { ["string2"] = { "arg2" } (#2), ["string"] = { "arg2" } (#3) } (#1)
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01:56.44Kasoi assume that was a typeo
01:56.54MentalPowerme too, just making sure
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01:59.38Shirikok
01:59.53ShirikTest 1: 96/100. Test 2: 56/100. Test 3: Skipped. Test 4: 76/100. Final grade: B
01:59.55Shirik... huh?
02:00.04Kaso... huh?
02:00.26Shirikno complaints
02:00.26Shirikbut still
02:01.17DolbyI'm disappointed in you
02:01.23Shirik:(
02:01.23Kasoi have no idea what you're on about
02:01.32Shirikthose are my grades from a class
02:01.36ShirikI'm trying to figure out how I managed a B
02:01.43WobWorkMaaagic
02:01.49Shirikor do you not have letter grades in UK?
02:02.02WobWorkbottom of B is what... 60?
02:02.06WobWork75?
02:02.07Shirik80
02:02.09WobWork...
02:02.11WobWorkhm
02:02.11Shirik80-90
02:02.15DolbyI think they use Metric letters
02:02.19WobWorkMaybe there's either weighting
02:02.22Shiriklol
02:02.24Shirikmetric letters
02:02.27WobWorkor your marker can''t add
02:02.39WobWorkyeah, we rounded up to 30 letters in the alphabet
02:02.56Shirikthat's ok though
02:03.05Shirikthat means I hit 3.1 for this semester and hit honor roll, 2 semesters in a row
02:03.14WobWorkcongrats =)
02:03.56Dolbyare you dating your teacher?
02:03.56Dolbythat might have something to do with it
02:05.08Shirik...
02:05.52WobWorkWell that's a valid explanation...
02:08.48Cairennlol
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02:17.03enumis it possible to use [] to indicate an interation in keys for a table? for example for local i=1, 10 do t[] = i end just as an example
02:18.12cogwheel[ ] is a table indexing operator. it's as simple as that.
02:18.27cogwheelit takes one argument
02:18.28enumthe end result would be something like t{ [1]=1, [2]=2. [3]=3, [4]=4, [5]=5, [6]=6, [7]=7, [8]=8, [9]=9, [10]=10 }
02:18.32cogwheelwell 2
02:18.36cogwheelthe table and the index
02:18.48cogwheelyou would do t[i]=i
02:18.59cogwheelor table.insert(t,i)
02:19.54enumright, well in my actual code I'm not looping, I'll provide a more specific example. one sec
02:20.34cogwheelmy point is that [ ] can only be used the way you see it used
02:20.47cogwheeltable[index]
02:20.47dylanmlua> t={1} t[#t+1]=2 pp(t)
02:20.47lua_botdylanm: { 1, 2 } (#1)
02:21.14enumhmm. ok, thanks
02:21.34cogwheelquestion was too specific imo :P
02:22.05enumheh, I didn't know that was possible
02:22.44Kaso<lua_bot> dylanm: { 1, 2 } (#1)
02:22.51Kasowait.. why is that #1 ?
02:22.55cogwheelwhen you ask for a specific solution to a general problem, it's harder for people to help ;) I got stuck on the specifics of the specific technique you had in mind :P
02:23.13cogwheeli am redundant i am (redunant)
02:24.03dylanmKaso: pp() does some weird stuff to keep track of tables I think.
02:25.30enumcogwheel: that solution worked perfectly, thanks again
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02:33.47cogwheelnp. for the record, dylanm's method is probably faster
02:34.12cogwheelbut table.insert wins on readablitiy
02:36.16ShirikYes!
02:36.18ShirikI broke 1k mp5!
02:42.31Syzgyncongrats Shirik
02:42.58cogwheelthat like mach 1 for casters?
02:43.09ScytheBlade1Shirik: you're a freak
02:43.11ScytheBlade1Shirik:  :)
02:43.15Shirikhttp://images.gammatester.com/pics/3eaaa41ffdb8dad889eac6dc07907f6b.jpg
02:43.54Nechckn=)
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02:45.55cogwheel(in that screenie)
02:49.33SyzgynI never understood why people kept their bag bar and panel bar on screen
02:49.40Syzgyndont most people hotkey that stuff?
02:49.49Shirikhabit
02:50.00Syzgynheh
02:52.54Shirikhey cool
02:53.06ShirikI finally got an email from IEEE on how well we did in that 24 hour programming competition
02:53.09ShirikThere were 130 teams from 31 countries in this year's competition. We
02:53.10Shirikcongratulate all that participated.
02:53.10ShirikYour team placed 36th with a total of 268.50 points.
02:53.20ShirikI'd call that pretty good considering most teams had graduate students and we didn't
02:54.13cogwheel~golfclap
02:54.25Shirik:(
02:54.28cogwheel(j/k)
02:55.25Syzgynnice job
02:55.49cogwheel-golfclap
02:56.04cogwheelor would it be 1/golfclap?
02:57.32LopeppeppyCongratulations, Shirik.  *hug*
02:57.53ShirikI think it's 1/golfclap
02:58.00Shirikbecause golfclap is like 0.001 claps
02:58.07Shirikso it becomes 1000 claps
02:58.15Lopeppeppy*snark*
02:58.20cogwheelaye
02:58.26cogwheelthat's where i was coming from
02:58.56LopeppeppyThat's sooo where I'm not going.
02:59.08KasoShirik, what was the competition?
02:59.19Shirikit was a couple weeks ago
02:59.22Shirike
02:59.24Shiriker months
02:59.36Shirik24 hour overnight programming, you get 15ish problems to code solutions to
02:59.41Shirikteam of 3
03:00.01ShirikI showed a few of the questions a while ago, after the competition
03:00.24Shirikit was on march 8 2008
03:00.27Shiriklet's see if I have logs
03:00.35Kasosounds like i'd be fairly unplesent
03:00.45Shirikoh wow
03:00.48Shirikthey released the booklets
03:00.49Shirikcool
03:01.00Shirikhere this was booklet 1: http://www.ieee.org/portal/cms_docs_iportals/iportals/membership/students/scholarshipsawardscontests/IEEEXtreme2008_Competition_Booklet.pdf
03:01.45Shirikproblem #3 was fun
03:02.02ShirikHere's booklet 2, released at hour 12: http://www.ieee.org/portal/cms_docs_iportals/iportals/membership/students/scholarshipsawardscontests/IEEEXtreme2008_Competitition_book_2.pdf
03:02.16Shirikbooklet 3, released at hour 18: http://www.ieee.org/portal/cms_docs_iportals/iportals/membership/students/scholarshipsawardscontests/IEEEXtreme2008_Competition_Book_3.pdf
03:03.51KasoShirik, what was the ultimate aim of this then? what prize?
03:04.01ShirikI dunno really :P
03:04.04Shirikwe just did it for fun
03:04.46Kasodoesnt seem much fun to me :< Seems like an exam/coursework, which are usually things i dont look foward to
03:04.52ShirikI loved it
03:05.41LopeppeppyFor some people, the fun is in the challenge.  :)
03:06.16KasoFor me, projects i invent myself are fun, projects imposed upon me are not
03:07.52Shirikoff to go watch family guy
03:13.02cogwheelwtb wdn
03:13.15Lopeppeppywts krn
03:13.43Kasohttp://wdnaddons.com/ 10g k thanks
03:14.01cogwheeldoesn't load
03:14.17Lopeppeppytry again?  Seemed to have fun for me.
03:14.22Kasooh really? what sorta failure you getting it works ok for me
03:14.25cogwheelwon't load at all for me
03:14.31cogwheel:|
03:14.35Kasodns problem? 404? what ?
03:14.36cogwheelprobably cumcast's fault
03:15.13Kasothe IP is http://24.129.136.26/ if you want to try that
03:15.23Kasooh,
03:15.37Kasothough that doesnt work directly do it, guess it needs a host header.
03:15.58Kaso<PROTECTED>
03:15.59Kasohehe
03:16.23cogwheelnslookup wdnaddons.com is timing out :|
03:16.36cogwheelthink it's time to cycle the router
03:16.53cogwheelbrb
03:17.41cogwheelor not... works now...
03:17.59LopeppeppyThe internet is a teenager.
03:18.17Kasoyour dns server sucks!
03:18.32cogwheelKaso: no
03:18.39cogwheelwhen i went to that ip address
03:18.48cogwheelit did the same thing... can't connect to server
03:18.54Kasohmm, how odd
03:24.58MentalPowercogwheel: what router?
03:25.15cogwheelboy some of the ancient ui code really makes me want to cry... http://wtf.pastey.net/86975
03:25.46cogwheeli mean hell... even before 5.1 there was still table.getn (and before that, getn)
03:26.18MentalPowerthey had to learn Lua same as we
03:26.19Legorolcogwheel: getn wouldn't have been reliable in that case
03:26.36Legorolthe piece of code you posted counts the first non-nil entries in the table
03:26.40Legorolgetn doesn't necessarily return that
03:26.53MentalPowergetn has the same limitation as #
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03:27.37cogwheelLegorol: semantics are the same for this code
03:28.10cogwheeli think
03:28.14Legoroli'm not 100% on what semantics means here
03:28.17MentalPowerhaven't we discussed this ad nauseum?
03:28.29Legorolbut getn pre-5.1 had the ability to return a value other than the first nil index - 1
03:28.38Legorolespecially if you did funky stuff with setn, insert and remove
03:28.57Legoroli'm not saying it wouldn't have worked here
03:28.59Legorolit probably would've
03:29.07MentalPowergetn post 5.1 does too
03:29.26cogwheelexactly... that if is irrelevant... i wasn't saying "#table == the result of that code" . It would've done the same thing regardless because embedded nils would be a bug elsewhere
03:29.31LegorolMentalPower: there is no getn in 5.1
03:29.37MentalPowerLegorol: #
03:29.46Legorol# is different
03:30.07cogwheelLegorol: it's deprecated but not removed
03:30.25MentalPowerlua> getn{}
03:30.26lua_botMentalPower: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'getn' (a nil value)
03:30.29cogwheel(table.getn)
03:30.32MentalPowerlua> table.getn{}
03:30.32lua_botMentalPower: 0
03:30.35MentalPower:)
03:30.44MentalPowerthanks cogwheel :)
03:30.54MentalPoweranyways, ad nauseum
03:31.02MentalPowerwe've been down this road many a time
03:31.02Legorolok, here is the thing:
03:31.08Legorolthe definition of getn is not the same as #
03:31.15Legoroleven if deprecated
03:31.17cogwheelwho said it was?
03:31.22cogwheelthat's where i'm coming from...
03:31.25LegorolMentalPower implied it
03:31.26cogwheelthe discussion is pointless
03:31.30MentalPowerad nauseum!!!!!!!
03:31.54cogwheelLegorol: wrong... you were being pedantic about it before mentalpower said a thing :P
03:31.57Legorolok ok i'll stop
03:32.05Legorolcogwheel: you are right about that
03:32.14MentalPowernauseam* not nauseum but meh
03:32.32cogwheelenough of this LUA talk
03:32.32krkacogwheel: Lua is not an acronym. It is a Portuguese word that means moon.
03:32.40Legorollol
03:32.55MentalPower~lart cogwheel
03:32.55purlbrandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, cogwheel!" and lops off cogwheel's head
03:32.57Legorolno more LUA talk allowed here?
03:33.00Legoroldamn
03:33.04MentalPowerit has a cooldown
03:33.09MentalPower30mins I think
03:33.09Legorolhehe
03:33.19Kaso30min? thats a bit hardcore
03:33.38Legoroli witnessed an amusing incident the other day
03:33.52Legorolsomeone happened to mention LUA, krka-bot corrected him, and the guy started talking to krka
03:34.09Legorolhe didn't get what krkabot was on about, for one ting, and for another, it took him a while to realise krka is not talking back
03:34.38cogwheelin a logged channel? ;)
03:37.24ScytheBlade1Ohh new PTR build
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03:40.41WobWorkwe need to change krka's trigger
03:40.48WobWorkwith s/oo/oro/
03:44.30Taskyso how would i resort a table based on a key's value?
03:44.45Kaso!api table.sort
03:44.45lua_botDocumentation for 'table.sort' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-table.sort
03:44.54Taskythx
03:45.11Mike-N-GoWhy do the files at wowinterface.com have a MD5 hash?
03:45.28Taskynot index based table though
03:45.52Kasoas opposed to a SHA1 you mean? i bitched about this before Mike-N-Go apparently there is SHA1 checked internally or somethng
03:45.55ScytheBlade1Mike-N-Go: so you can verify it as you please
03:46.06bleeterWobWork: did you hear (There'll Never Be An) Ol' Man Tokin'? (TISM guitarist/composer died Monday)
03:46.20Mike-N-GoScytheBlade1: How would one verify what?
03:46.24bleeterWobWork: as in, Tokin' Blackman
03:46.35KasoTasky, table.sort can take a function(a,b) which returns true/false depending on whether a should be before b or not
03:46.36bleeterwhich I think is the greatest name ever for a guy in a band
03:46.54ScytheBlade1Mike-N-Go: so you can check the hash yourself
03:47.26Mike-N-GoScytheBlade1: Where?
03:47.56ScytheBlade1Mike-N-Go: um. By hashing it yourself and comparing it to the website?
03:47.57Kasoyou download the file, then run a md5sum program on the file, assuming the hashes match then you have the same file that was uploaded to the server
03:48.09Kasowell probally
03:48.45Mike-N-GoWhat good is a hash? May someone explain why it would be helpful to check hashes?
03:50.00Shirikwtf is "dioxide oxygen" ?
03:50.09cogwheelarg... brb rebooting router
03:50.12ShirikMike-N-Go: For a file?
03:50.15Kasooxygen on O2 molecules?
03:50.30Shirikit allows you to ensure that the file is what you expect to be downloading. A "fingerprint" if you will
03:50.44ShirikKaso: That's my point. Isn't O2 oxygen?
03:50.57Shirikohhhh I missed a word
03:51.02Shirikit's titanium dioxide oxygen
03:51.11Kasohmm
03:51.22Kasoi'd make sense without the final word
03:51.53Shirik"For instance, electrical engineers have known that titanium dioxide changes its resistance in the presence of oxygen--this is the principle behind titanium dioxide oxygen sensors--but they could not explain why. "
03:52.25Kasothat's way out of my field of knowledge, it seems odd to say the least
03:52.27Mike-N-GoShirik: I dunno why one would use hashes. Is it to check for authentication?
03:52.47ShirikMike-N-Go: For example, it allows you to ensure the file hasn't been manipulated behind-the-scenes trying to get you to download a malicious file instead
03:53.08Shirikit can also be used to check for authenticity
03:53.11KasoOr simply to ensure the file you downloaded has not been corrupted in the file transfer
03:53.49Mike-N-GoSo, the hash is created depending on what is in said file, a fingerprint to said file, if you will?
03:54.03Kasoyes
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03:57.33ScytheBlade1S4 in the PTR
03:57.53ScytheBlade1*on
03:59.04Mike-N-GoOkay, thank you for informing me on this.
04:02.46ScytheBlade1Stupid people on the PTR
04:02.50ScytheBlade1DND time!
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04:40.45WobWorkPS Shirik. Titanium dioxide oxygen detectors
04:40.57WobWorkAre Oxygen detectors that use Titanium dioxide
04:41.02Shirikah
04:42.37Endpew pew
04:42.41Endpew pew le pew?
04:42.42Endpew pew!
04:43.12Endpew pew !?!!?
04:43.47MentalPowerQQ?
04:43.52EndMEW MEW
04:44.04Guillotineboo hoo?
04:44.28Endfew few?
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04:54.36ShirikMentalPower: ping
04:54.54MentalPowerShirik: pong!
05:02.39bleeterwtb: [10 yard range increase to Zapthrottle]
05:03.09bleeterno engi would give a shit about the nagrand bugs, thus nullifying the need for a fix
05:06.43Nom-lolhaxx
05:06.57Nom-hmm
05:07.09Nom-i wonder if that would actually work... get a stormstrike + ele shaman team happening
05:07.43Nom-Just watched a vid where a shaman managed to store 25k crits
05:07.49Nom-Using that
05:08.51SyzgynWhats the best way to go about deleting a frame?
05:10.47MentalPowerSyzgyn: you don't
05:10.58GuillotineHas anybody ever tried Litestep?
05:11.15MentalPowerUI widgets (frames, textures, fontstrings) cannot be destroyed
05:11.24MentalPoweryou see, theres this bowl of soup...
05:11.25SyzgynHm
05:11.32MentalPowersoup
05:11.35MentalPower~soup
05:11.36purlmethinks soup is a kind of liquid
05:11.39Syzgynso just remove all its points and ignore it?
05:11.41MentalPower~bowl of soup
05:11.42purlACTION ties up and puts of soup in the spot of the front pin, and then rolls the biggest bowling ball anyone has ever seen for a perfect split
05:11.48MentalPowerbah...
05:12.05MentalPowerSyzgyn: basically, yes
05:12.12MentalPowertry to reuse them as much as possible
05:12.35MentalPowerGuillotine: the only place I've heard of litestep is in winamp
05:12.50Guillotinehmm. Wondering what the CPU hit is like
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05:17.53Tem|afkMentalPower,
05:17.58Tem|afkhttp://www.blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-interface-customization/231117.htm
05:18.52MentalPowerthanks Tem|afk
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05:24.15Nom-Guillotine: If you run Windows Vista, LiteStep uses a lot less CPU :P
05:24.23GuillotineI do :)
05:24.24Nom-Heck, if you use *Windows*, LiteStep uses a lot less CPU
05:24.35Nom-~bloatware
05:24.49Nom-bloatware is windows
05:24.53Nom-windows is bloatware
05:24.54Nom-~bloatware
05:25.02Nom-bah
05:25.11MentalPoweryou need to direct it at purl
05:25.29Nom-cbf
05:26.37MentalPowercan't be <something>
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05:35.24Zootfizzlepurl, bloatware is a word that people without an appreciation for what poor software development practices can lead to use to arbitrarily label the Windows family of operating systems because they're bitter, can't figure out Linux, can't afford a Mac, or any of those three things in combination.
05:35.24purlokay, Zootfizzle
05:35.35Sixen_ILAwl.
05:35.37Sixen_Lawl.*
05:35.47MentalPower~bloatware
05:35.47purlhmm... bloatware is a word that people without an appreciation for what poor software development practices can lead to use to arbitrarily label the Windows family of operating systems because they're bitter, can't figure out Linux, can't afford a Mac, or any of those three things in combination.
05:35.59Endhehe
05:36.01Zootfizzle;)
05:36.03Guillotinewin
05:36.10End<3 Zootfizzle
05:36.22Shirik<3 Zootfizzle
05:39.11Guillotine<3 Zootfizzle
05:39.20SomeOtherGuy<3 Zootfizzle
05:42.42ScytheBlade1<3 Zootfizzle
05:42.50cogwheel</3 Zootfizzle
05:43.06Iriel>1 Zootfizzle
05:43.13Syzgyn<4 Zootfizzle
05:43.17EndIriel is just straight out!
05:43.49EndAnd that's not sideways out in any sense either.
05:44.02EndOk, I should stop drinking and go to bed.
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05:47.50ScytheBlade1Why are we loving/hating on Zoot again?
05:48.18MentalPower~bloatware
05:48.19purlfrom memory, bloatware is a word that people without an appreciation for what poor software development practices can lead to use to arbitrarily label the Windows family of operating systems because they're bitter, can't figure out Linux, can't afford a Mac, or any of those three things in combination.
05:48.27ScytheBlade1hahaha, win
05:48.41bleeterAnyone named after (assumption) a B5 character is cool in my books, ScytheBlade1
05:48.56MentalPowerZooty-Zoot-Zoot!
05:49.06bleeterMentalPower: bwhahahahahah! roflz
05:49.09MentalPowerbleeter: yes, check his histmask :)
05:49.12MentalPowerhostmask*
05:49.27bleeterrawr
05:50.02bleeterZootfizzle: you may, or may not be, mildly amused that all my pets (except one, my original) are called Zathras
05:50.11bleeterthough I've prolly told you that before.. hopefully I'll remember this time
05:50.39bleeterBFW!!!!
05:51.16bleeterThe Internet: More crap at your fingertips, than on it.
05:53.21MentalPowerZáthras, Zàthras, Zathras, Zathrás, Zathràs, Zathras, Zâthras, Zathrâs, etc
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05:56.21bleeternah, just Zathras, Zathras, Zathras and Zathras.
05:56.32bleeteroh, and Boring, my original Darkshore cat
05:57.26Syzgynhttp://lfgcomic.com/page/latest <-- hahaha
06:02.33Endok, yes Zootfizzle's hostmask is pretty awesome
06:03.15Shirikzooty-zoot-zoot?
06:03.16Shiriklol
06:03.21Endhehe
06:03.31MentalPoweryou guys seriously just noticed?
06:03.36Endyeah
06:03.57Endtotally serial
06:03.57EndI generally don't look at people
06:03.57Ender
06:04.01EndI generally don't look at people's hostmasks
06:04.06Cairennlol
06:04.15EndI don't look at people either
06:04.23EndI look at the ceiling or the floor
06:04.32Endmust avoid eye contact!
06:04.51Endwell, it amuses me :)
06:04.52Cairennwasn't sure freenode'd go for it, but they did
06:05.45Endso, did you ask him what he wanted or something? :P
06:05.48durcynwicked, bad, nasty, naughty Zoot.
06:06.15bleeterCairenn: lilo's not about anymore :'( but the current admins do still ahve a good sense of humour and pop culture ;)
06:06.59Cairennhe asked me about a group cloak, asked for suggestions, it was the obvious one to suggest
06:06.59Endhehe
06:07.17Cairennhe is SO stuck with that
06:07.24Endyeah
06:08.00Cairennever since he first showed up on the forum
06:08.14MentalPowerCairenn: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8456995878011926927
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06:08.37MentalPowerPossibly NSFW
06:12.48Cairennhttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3389609103&sid=1&pageNo=2 # 22
06:14.54SyzgynMentalPower: Is that the same guy that did Code Monkey?
06:15.00MentalPoweryup
06:15.24Syzgyncool :)_
06:18.07Syzgynthat song is awesome
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06:35.49CairennMentalPower: thank you for the link, but not for the reason you think :p
06:35.53bleeterwoots, another CSF post about the daily rollover bug.
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06:36.09Cairenndidn't have a link to the wow code monkey version
06:36.17MentalPowerlol
06:37.11cogwheelanyone know what GetGuildBankText does?
06:37.45cogwheeli can't seem to get it to return anything but ""
06:38.03cogwheeland nothing
06:39.30Fisker-your mother cogwheel btw
06:39.43cogwheelso THAT's his name...
06:40.32Seerahcog: does it have to do with the new Info tab on the gbanks?
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06:41.24cogwheelnew as in 2.4.2?
06:41.39Seerah2.4
06:41.41Fisker-what new info tab?
06:41.42Fisker-:o
06:41.59cogwheelah! thank you
06:42.25SeerahThere's a tab along the bottom of the gbank frame called "Info" where you can type out information - contents of which are different per tab
06:42.40Seerahit's like the info box for the guild roster frame
06:42.46Shirikwtf
06:42.51ShirikUSPS has become like an advertising store
06:42.52Seerahin ours I put stuff like what belongs on each tab
06:43.19Fisker-i'm doing dailies
06:43.22Fisker-cause i need the money
06:43.24ShirikI filled out this change of address form online, and every step of the way through it's doing things like "Do you want to forward your catalogues? You can even order new catalogues now, for free!"
06:43.33Seerahlol
06:43.40Shirik"Thanks. Here, try these special offers, available this visit only!"
06:43.40bleeterI DRIVE A TRUCK
06:43.44bleeterbah mt
06:43.47Seerahdon't you want more catalogues?  what's wrong with catalogues?
06:43.55Fisker-I DRIVE A TRUCK TOO
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06:44.00Fisker-but mine says candy on the side
06:44.04Fisker-i'm a bad man :(
06:44.09enumShirik: you around?
06:44.15SeerahI snorted out my nose from laughing, and it hurt guys - thanks :)
06:44.23Shirikno I was just typing 30 seconds ago in my sleep
06:44.25Shirik:P
06:44.30Shirikwhat's up?
06:44.36enumI got bumped :)
06:44.47CairennSeerah: do your ribs hurt as bad as mine from laughing so hard?
06:44.52Shirikuh.... what?
06:44.57enumShirik: the other day we were talking about hp esimates
06:45.08SeerahCairenn: almost :)
06:45.15enumI've ran some stuff, and was wondering if you might be willing to check out my results based on some notes I made
06:45.20Shirikwe were?
06:45.34enumyeah, creature hit point estimation
06:45.37Shirikoh right
06:45.49Shirikok what's up?
06:46.03enumI feel my method is pretty accurate, and I remember you said you took some advanced math. So I thought I ask you http://wowi.pastey.net/86979
06:46.51enumit's a theoretical case based off a known number, but the final formula get's pretty close
06:48.10Shirik1235, etc. those numbers are?
06:48.19enumoops, damage dealth
06:48.22enumdealt
06:48.26Fisker-<PROTECTED>
06:48.26Fisker-:o
06:48.37enumthought I threw that label in, sorry
06:48.51Shirikto bring to the listed %?
06:49.20enumI don't think I understand your ?
06:49.35enumthe first forumla is just just generate some test data percentages
06:49.53enumbasically "imitating" the actual combat process
06:49.59enumand the data it returns
06:50.20ShirikThe only thing I dislike is that you're doing a raw average
06:50.25Seerahnighty nite
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06:50.29Fisker-anyone know if blizzard has given into my demands yet?
06:50.41Shirikit isn't entirely correct because you are missing a degree of freedom: Each value is based off of the one before it
06:50.50Shirikth5 is based off data from th4, etc.
06:51.33Shirikthe "correct" value to use would actually be that from th5
06:51.44Shiriknot just because we know that's the closest
06:51.56enumright, the average is something I was only playing with to see what the result would be
06:52.01Shirikbut because using an average of the 5 values is actually averaging twice
06:52.14enumthe average actually returns far less accurate then th5
06:52.58enumso, forget the average... my actual plan is to use the result from th5
06:53.05Shirikthat seems fine
06:53.27enumall ( totaldmg * 100 ) / ( 100 - totalpercent )
06:53.51Shirikyup
06:54.01Shirikthere's no reason to go much further than that
06:54.11enumI did this because I couldn't tell if my code was even near accurate in game, so I created a case with 'controls'
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06:54.37enumrun a few controls, get consistent results and then I feel my code is more accurate in game
06:54.50enumthanks for the input Shirik. I really appreciate it
06:54.56Shiriknot a problem
06:55.12enumbeen a good decade since I've actually had to do math on my own :P
06:55.19enumeven in development
06:55.45TeegtahnGood evening, is there a specific format if I have a question, or should I just blert it out and see if anyone can help me?
06:56.49Cairennblurting works
06:56.55Cairenn;)
06:58.25Teegtahnis there someone(or somewhere) that can briefly cover creating movable frames? I've looked over the WoWWiki stuff and it makes some brief mentions to the movable="true" argument, but it seems to have no effect on my frame when I apply it.
06:58.39Teegtahnand by argument I mean attribute.
06:59.20enumyou have to create a couple of simple functions... it's on wowwiki, one sec
07:00.05TeegtahnI have to use <onclick> to set the x&y values of the frame's position to the cursor's position?
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07:00.44Shirikow
07:00.47Shirikplease don't do that :)
07:00.51ShirikJust do a few simple things
07:00.53Teegtahnyeah, I would not *like* to do that
07:01.38ShirikYou want two use two functions: frame:StartMoving() and frame:StopMovingOrSizing()
07:01.40enumI forget exactly, and I can't seem to find it...
07:01.41enumaha
07:02.08TeegtahnI found the article. my searching included "movable" frames, where "Draggable frames" seems to be what I wanted
07:02.27ZootfizzleYou should add a redirect page!
07:02.33Shirikproblem is you'll probably want OnMouseDown/OnMouseUp
07:02.47Shirikif that's the case, then you need it to be a button, not a frame (don't let the name fool you, most frames are actually buttons)
07:03.02Shiriks/most/many/
07:03.33ShirikI... take that back
07:03.34TeegtahnI believe I might just register for an account and make a redirect page
07:03.38Shirikit's OnClick that only works for buttons
07:03.44ShirikOnMouseDown/OnMouseUp work for frames just fine
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07:04.26Shirikit's 3 AM :(
07:04.41ZootfizzleShiriks only auto-correct at 3AM?
07:04.46ZootfizzleWhy is that sad?
07:04.55Shirikthey only make sense at 3 AM!
07:05.01ShirikI mean... they only are stupid at 3 AM!
07:05.02Shirikgah
07:05.13ShirikI think I need to go to sleep
07:05.30ZootfizzleIf making mistakes is in anyway an indicator of stupidity, I'm in trouble =X
07:05.48Drundiathere was also OnDragStart if iirc
07:06.19Fisker-OOH
07:06.23Fisker-it's childrens week :o
07:06.32Teegtahnresolved. Thanks
07:06.35Drundianote to self: changing messages right while typing them may produce unexpected results...
07:07.26Fisker-ITS CHILDRENS WEEK I SAID
07:07.27Fisker->O
07:07.29Fisker-;O
07:08.07Fisker-then i can get some more rep with that invisble horde faction
07:08.20Drundiasilvermoon rep yay!
07:08.47Fisker-bah
07:09.00Fisker-everyone was exalted with them before the release of TBC
07:09.21Drundiathey were? :O
07:09.33Fisker-well if you were good
07:09.53Fisker-took me like a week of AV to get exalted with them
07:09.57Fisker-and then i rerolled on launch
07:10.56Fisker-http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-reputation.xml?r=Ravencrest&n=Fisker
07:10.57Fisker-:D
07:11.12cncfanaticsamg, all go stalk Fisker-'s char !
07:12.13Fisker-why haven't anyone put up the new PTR patch on wdn.wowinterface.com yet? :(
07:12.28Fisker-ooh
07:12.32Fisker-patch next week i guess :o
07:12.36Drundia"Last Updated: 12 April 2008" - you'll have to look for him for 3 weeks or so to stalk....
07:13.17Fisker-but still no epic gems from the consortium dudes :(
07:14.02Drundiapvp people also still need to sell teams to earn money for epic gems
07:14.23ZootfizzleThere's an invisible Horde faction? O_o
07:14.49Drundiaif faction causes problem, reroll it!
07:14.57Fisker-yeah Zootfizzle
07:15.01cncfanaticsZootfizzle: same for Alliance
07:15.11Fisker-There's a faction called "Horde"
07:15.23Fisker-when you gain Horde rep(i.e. all horde facions) you also get rep for that
07:15.26Drundiaback in the days you could query reputation with them
07:15.32Drundiacan you do that still?
07:15.40Fisker-dunno
07:15.40laggerhow do i track if untalented counterspell is used
07:15.47Nom-LOL WTF
07:15.49ZootfizzleOh, phew
07:15.49Fisker-i remember getting "You are now honored" with horde and stuff like that
07:16.01Nom-Brutal Gladiator's Swift Judgment - 227 Spell Haste Rating
07:16.07Nom-With NO +heal
07:16.14Fisker-lol
07:16.20ScytheBlade1Serious? Wow
07:16.29Nom-http://www.worldofraids.com/2008/may/s4/swiftjudgement.jpg
07:16.44ScytheBlade1That might be an absurd amount of haste
07:17.09Nom-It's a 15% haste bonus
07:17.11Nom-That's a lit...
07:17.12Nom-*lot
07:17.13Drundiaomg melee dps of caster weapons keeps going down
07:17.17Drundianow 39....
07:17.31Drundiawill they do -700 - -500 damage soon?
07:17.38cncfanaticsanyone here with some experience in makefiles ?
07:17.44cncfanaticsI'm having some issues in writing mine
07:18.02Nom-Probably because they look at the number of players who even bother to level their weapon skills
07:18.09Nom-Aside from druids, my guess is "not many"
07:18.11Fisker-holy shit
07:18.14Fisker-it's A MACE
07:18.19Fisker-i thought it was the whole set
07:18.30Nom-hehe
07:18.42Fisker-but it's going to require a lot of rating :(
07:18.47Drundiaexactly amount of haste needed to compensate for deathfrost
07:19.24Fisker-btw Zootfizzle
07:19.45Fisker-you work on may 1st and 2nd?
07:20.44ScytheBlade1As opposed to any other day of the week?
07:20.55Zootfizzleo_O
07:21.01Fisker-christian holiday!
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07:22.21ZootfizzleWe get Labor Day given to us as one of our float days
07:22.37ZootfizzleLabour rather, sorry.
07:23.05ScytheBlade1haha
07:23.48ZootfizzleThe US Labor Day is in September because of the cold war.
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07:25.48Wabortiasello's
07:26.32Wabortiaslol.. lest somethings going on :)
07:27.11Wabortiasnooooo
07:27.32Jinivus:O
07:28.03Wabortiasahses to ashes an so on
07:28.15ZootfizzleHeya Wabortias ;)
07:28.35Wabortiasur dead how can i see ur writing, an hi
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07:28.41Wabortiaslol
07:29.19Wabortias? for any of u.. is ur dots on the game some how not showing up?
07:29.56Wabortiasjust stoped like 15 min's ago no clue y, hit a few friends
07:30.43ZootfizzleIt's pretty unlikely that anyone who wasn't on your server and in the same area would be experiencing that kind of problem
07:30.55ZootfizzleHave you and your friends tried logging out and back in?
07:31.09Teegtahnif I have an <OnClick>, <OnMouseUp>, and <OnMouseDown> -- are all three called when the frame is dragged, or does the OnClick recognize if the button has been held for any length of time?
07:31.31Wabortiasyea, an were not close to each other, might be server is all i was looking at :)
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07:31.49ZootfizzleTeegtahn: When OnClick gets called can be changed, but it's not time dependent at all
07:31.57Wabortiasur awsome
07:32.17Zootfizzlehttp://www.wowwiki.com/UIHANDLER_OnClick
07:32.35ZootfizzleWhat can I say? I'm inspired for a corpse ;)
07:32.38Wabortiasgona try , a change.. in ui nvm u said it
07:32.38Teegtahnoh sweet, thanks
07:32.49Wabortiaslmao
07:32.59TeegtahnI think my brain is shorting out, it's ~ 3:30A
07:33.20Wabortias3.33 am here ur in the past
07:33.25Wabortias:P
07:34.23Nom-hmm anyone know of (in general) some good software for building complex work flows ?
07:34.52ZootfizzleI use a great system called "Paper and pencil" ;)
07:35.10ZootfizzleIn conjunction with "Brain" it works wonders :P
07:35.18Nom-lol
07:35.34Nom-Nah, probably the wrong channel, but I thought since there's lots of people here
07:36.01Nom-If you've ever used Genesys call management system, if you want to make a change to the way calls are routed, you change it all visually by building flow charts
07:36.16Nom-I'm looking for something that does the same thing which I can tie into my own software
07:37.05DrundiaHmm... paper+pencil+brain=wonders. i should write it down and let more people think about it
07:37.29Nom-heh i'm already about 5 steps past that stage :P
07:37.44Nom-To the point where I didn't need Pencil
07:37.46Nom-I used pen
07:38.09Nom-Only made one mistake... i drew a condition on one block that was actually a process :P
07:39.03Wabortiaslol
07:39.26Wabortiasbtw  it worked all btter for me
07:39.33Wabortias;)
07:39.39Wabortiasty
07:40.20ZootfizzleGlad to hear it ;)
07:40.27Adyshttp://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/04/30/1822237&from=rss
07:40.37Adysthat is so hilarious and sad at the same time
07:41.42AntiarcHoly crap
07:41.44AntiarcThey're forking over THAT?!
07:41.45ZootfizzleI started to type something about removing functionality and labeling things as features, but I'd hate to be a hypocrite.
07:42.10AntiarcI will remain righteously indignant as I have a history of giving people options for -everything- >_>
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07:42.21Wabortiaslol
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07:43.31Adysi do find it pretty stupid since they are the most used opensource im client afaik
07:44.52ZootfizzleI can't wait until people associate "pre-owned" with "used" and "used" becomes so hillariously disused that people will start using it again.
07:45.09AntiarcActually, you know what
07:45.20AntiarcI'm going to go talk to the Funpidgin guys
07:45.35AntiarcBecause Pidgen spams the HELL out of my hard drive opening and re-opening icon files.
07:45.43AntiarcRun filemon with pidgin running sometime. It's scary.
07:46.12AdysId love to talk to the funpidgin guys but the name is so lame Im prob gonna fork it!
07:46.25AntiarcCall it Eagle
07:46.29Antiarcit eats pidgins for breakfast.
07:46.50AdysIceeagle?! (points for the one who gets that)
07:46.57Fisker-i see what you did there Antiarc
07:47.12Fisker-especially since you said what you did there
07:47.22AntiarcI'm crafty like that
07:47.22leethalAdys: I got an iceeagle for my birthday, do I get get-points?
07:47.34AdysNo :(
07:47.42leethalbut I got it!
07:48.13durcynAdys: Iceweasel reference, or did I miss something? :/
07:48.22AdysAye
07:49.01Fisker-LOL
07:49.03Adyslame reasons to fork are dumb
07:49.06Fisker-it was that
07:49.16Fisker-diablo3.com changed ownership to blizzard
07:49.29Adysthat must be wotlk Fisker-
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07:50.12Fisker-nah he just said it wouldn't be an official announcement of Diablo 3 or any change to the site
07:50.20Fisker-which it pretty much were for both
07:57.14ZootfizzleWait, what?
07:57.26ZootfizzleHOLY CRAP
07:57.36Fisker-you don't get to act like that :P
07:57.43Fisker-you work at Blizzard :(
07:58.04Cairennss or it didn't happen
07:58.32Cairennaka - link?
07:58.41nOneshi, is it possible for me to control raid symbols?  like, can i program my addon to place a star above a non-partied toon?
07:58.44Fisker-www.diablo3.com
07:58.47Fisker-or www.blizzplanet.com
07:58.50durcynZootfizzle: seriously, you capitalist pigs.
07:59.58durcynnOnes: look at the SetRaidTarget function
08:00.04nOnesk, thnx
08:00.06ZootfizzleHeh, anybody who thinks Blizzard hasn't changed over the last 7 years hasn't been paying much attention.
08:00.21AdysWait, blizz has changed?!
08:00.40durcynyes, over the years blizzard has blossomed into a very attractive young lady.  hell, I'd do her.
08:01.10Fisker-You might actually have run into problems if they weren't willing to give away the domain
08:01.21durcynare we still talking about the same thing?
08:01.31Fisker-Though i'm unsure of the american procedures for gaining control of domains
08:02.29batrick'gnight
08:02.38Fisker-night
08:02.59Cairennnight batrick
08:03.14durcynFisker-: the UDRP isn't specific to NA, though
08:04.32Fisker-yeah, but we have some other rules here i believe
08:05.27durcynoh, well, the rules tend to get fuzzy when one party has significantly more money than the other
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08:07.23Fisker-yeah
08:07.57Fisker-but here atleast, you'd probably lose the case because you waited so long
08:08.23MentalPowerthe domain would still have been blizzards, since they own the trademark
08:08.35Wabortiastrue
08:08.41durcyntrademarks have to be defended to be considered valid
08:08.48Fisker-exactly
08:09.07MentalPowerwould not be that hard tho
08:09.21durcyn"here's a bucket of cash" usually suffices anyway
08:09.28MentalPowertrue
08:09.30Wabortiasnott if the  names of the  pub's in it an they have more maney than u do
08:09.31durcynbrb, registering diablo4.com
08:09.31Fisker-they probably got a bucket of cash as well :)
08:09.35durcynaw, dammit.
08:09.38MentalPowerdurcyn: already taken
08:09.41Wabortias;p
08:09.43MentalPowerup to diablo7 IIRC
08:10.12Fisker-But that was my point though
08:10.17cogwheelI'd like to point everyone to the chat log from earlier today (whenever it gets posted)
08:10.19Fisker-Diablo3.com has existed for 10 years now
08:10.21cogwheel~logs
08:10.22purli heard logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz
08:10.31Fisker-Pretty odd that they would start to reclaim it 10 years after it was created
08:10.50durcynyou're pretty odd.
08:11.00cogwheelI totally called it :P
08:11.01Fisker-no u :o
08:11.16cogwheelya me
08:12.00Fisker-what's with the chat from earlier today btw?
08:12.08MentalPowerFisker-: better late than never
08:12.34MentalPowertrue that they might want it *now* for some special reason, but then again, they may not
08:12.34Fisker-Yeah
08:12.43Fisker-But i still don't believe they "just forgot"
08:12.53Fisker-I think they let them keep the domain as they already had a community going
08:12.59MentalPowerI don't think they forgot, but yeah
08:12.59Fisker-but now they're going to be needing it soon
08:13.07cogwheel~whalenuke Frisker
08:13.07purlACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Frisker with his mind powers.
08:13.08Wabortiasthey did'nt forget just was'nt worth money till recent
08:13.47MentalPoweranyways
08:13.48MentalPowergnight all
08:13.55Wabortiasnite
08:14.15nOnesare there any java programmers here?
08:14.53nOnesplease whisper me~
08:16.25Fisker-how does one find stuff in files in linux again? :P
08:16.35Fisker-find . | grep "stuff" right?
08:17.18durcynfind . -iname stuff
08:17.31CairennnOnes: you'll have a lot better result if you just ask
08:17.35durcynor locate, fisker
08:18.14Fisker--iname isn't that the filename?
08:18.53durcynyou can feed find's -name or -iname args wildcards
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08:31.47Antiarclocate is easier
08:31.58Antiarclocate foo.bar-123.tar.gz
08:32.00Antiarcor w/e
08:34.13Fisker-hm
08:34.59Fisker-yay
08:35.01Fisker-grep is smart
08:35.15Fisker-you can search for quotes by putting \ in front
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08:45.21cncfanaticsofc you should
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08:50.08Fisker-moar money cncfanatics
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08:52.01Fisker-only 5 days till judgement day ;_;
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09:03.49CairennFisker-: judgement on what?
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09:07.31Fisker-i'm guessing 2.4.2 will be released then
09:07.53Fisker-And then i probably won't be able to sell LPS' for insane prices anymore :(
09:08.13Cairennah
09:08.45Fisker-so i barely have any money to get by
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09:13.27Fisker-hmm
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11:12.22[melin]is it possible to macro a function to demote everyone to lowest rank? or other rank for that matter
11:13.43[melin](except GM that is)
11:17.53art3misyou could prolly do it just by watching the guild thingy and demoting them when they log
11:18.02art3misand not even have to pay attention
11:18.12art3misunless its protected of course
11:19.51[melin]nah I wanna demote everyone to lowest rank.. gonna add 4-5 ranks in the middle of all ranks :D
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11:20.03[melin]which sucks to do when you have more than 100 members
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12:17.46Adyshttp://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/01/0628254&from=rss awesome
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12:20.43foxlitquestion: isn't FLV bad?
12:20.51foxlitand isn't Flash evil?
12:20.55wereHamsterit is!
12:21.18wereHamsterI *hate* it (using a 64bit OS might explain that)
12:21.50wereHamsters/using/me using/
12:22.17zenzelezzhm, interesting to see the controversy over the auto-resizing input box in Pidgin 2.4
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12:24.57Adysyeah zenzelezz
12:25.16Adysand agreed wereHamster using 64bit here too, but the opening leaves room for more solid fixes
12:26.33wereHamsterI wouldn't make a bet on when adobe will release a 64bit version. Because when they do I'll be long dead
12:26.57wereHamsterhell, duke nukem forever will be released before that
12:27.24AdysIts surprising
12:27.32Adysseeing photoshop cs4 will be 64bit only
12:28.54wereHamsterprolly different development teams..
12:29.35Adysvery likely but that doesnt change the fact not making cs4 for 32 bit is quite big of a commercial decision
12:29.55Adysand at the same time not making flash for 64 bit is just weird
12:33.34zenzelezzdoes Moonlight run on 64-bit systems?
12:33.36foxlitConsidering the average applications of flash and compatibility of current-generation 64/32-bit processors, outline the general benefits from releasing a 64-bit version of flash renderer
12:33.47wereHamsterI never understood what's so difficult compiling windows applications for 64bit platforms. Pretty much every opensource unix application can be compiled for a 64bit platform without much trouble, just CC="gcc -m64" and be done. But windows apps? what's so difficult there?
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12:34.41zenzelezzit really depends on the application
12:35.17wereHamsterMy desktop has 32bit compatibility libraries, but my laptop hasn't. I choose not to have _any_ 32bit code there and besides flash, everything I need runs
12:38.52wereHamsterzenzelezz, you may be right, win32 applications require explicit porting to 64bit platforms, whereas the usual unix apps (when written correctly) don't.
12:40.11zenzelezzwell, your program might be lucky and only need to be switched to 64-bit compile instead of 32-bit, but occasionally there are differences in how things are handled. I'm not too good with the details, but the majority of Windows datatypes and functions remains much the same
12:41.29wereHamstertake this code: void *p; long i; i = p; on unix this works (maybe with a warning), on windows not, because long is 32bit in 64bit mode
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12:42.59zenzelezzpointers are probably one of the bigger issues; but VC++ has had 64-bit portability warnings since v7.1 ("2003 .NET") at least, so developers should have been aware of the issues by now and coding their Windows programs appropriately
12:43.21Moovhi, anybody here with good knowledge of WoWUIDesigner. wondering if it's possible to define my own template to use with it
12:43.48wereHamsterI don't think many windows developers pay attention to these details, as until recently they had no reason to even try to compile for 64bit platforms.. which is kindof sad
12:44.14zenzelezzI do believe you're right, but I think it's generally the coders' fault, not MS
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12:45.27wereHamstermy brother works as a developer, and when they tried to compile their code for 64bit, the compiler spit out so many warnings that they wouldn't even consider starting the port
12:46.31nevcairielThere are more complex issues at hand, because developers rarely follow the ANSI C or C++99 standards
12:47.22wereHamsterIt's also MS' fault. The knew all along that 64bit platforms would come some time, and they didn't do anything to make dhe developers aware of that. Unix ran on 64bit platform since like forever so the developers there know about the portability issues all along
12:47.26nevcairielPlus, on windows, you require all the dll's you use as 64bit as well, if you want 64 bit
12:48.01wereHamsterit's the same on unix..
12:48.25nevcairielThe open-source nature of linux/unix wins there though, you can just re-compile it for 64bit yourself, or fix stuff and supply patches to the devs
12:48.31nevcairielyou cant do that on windows most of the time
12:49.04Fisker-well people could just release stuff open source then :P
12:50.39wereHamsterI'm wondering whether blizz makes their code 64bit safe...
12:51.36sag_ich_nichtugh thank god profiles are finally working in omen
12:51.46sag_ich_nichtthanks Xinhuan :O
12:51.56nevcairielthey always worked, you just had to /rl after changing it
12:52.04Xinhuanwas barely a 6 line code change to make it work
12:52.06sag_ich_nichtthey 'worked'
12:55.43Moovhi, anybody here with good knowledge of WoWUIDesigner? wondering if it's possible to define my own template to use with it
12:55.55sag_ich_nichtWoWUIDesigner sucked, last time i checked
12:56.07sag_ich_nichtalso xml is bad and you use it you should feel bad
12:56.29sag_ich_nichts/and you/and if you/
12:57.08Moovfor sure, there are some errors, but for a dev noob like me it's saving a lot of time
12:57.56foxlitIt's np, XML is awesome.
12:58.13Moovis there another graphical framedesigner tool, AddonStudio also don't fit my needs
12:59.08Moovso your advice is to create frames with lua code ?
12:59.15sag_ich_nichtya
12:59.27sag_ich_nichtxml smells >(
12:59.45sag_ich_nicht(p.s.: don't take anything i say serious, as i might be a notoric liar and troll)
12:59.52foxlitsounds like someone still hasn't mastered it's manure disposal functionality :)
13:00.04foxlits/'s/s/
13:00.26Moovlol, i understood what you think about xml, so you do not use templates at all ?
13:00.27wereHamster~emulate sag_ich_nicht
13:00.29purlbecause i am retarded
13:01.02foxlitYou can fake templates in lua
13:02.07Moovok, asuming that, i wonder if there are lua libs for creating the different widgets
13:02.52wereHamsteryou really don't need libs, CreateFrame() is all you need
13:03.44Moovok, thx 4 your time
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13:19.27cladhaireAnyone here run on a mac?
13:22.10ralfWORKme
13:23.10ralfWORKno u
13:23.31Fisker-NO UI
13:23.33Fisker-damnit
13:23.36ralfWORKhahahaha
13:24.11Fisker-i see you're in a new book cladhaire :P
13:24.23wereHamsterabout wow/lua?
13:24.26Fisker-yeah
13:24.38Fisker-this time without the "Don't get pwned" tagline
13:25.10cladhaireyes
13:25.18cladhairei made sure before we even started that that shit would stop
13:25.24cladhaireand we got a one-off that's really good :P
13:25.26cladhaireno series
13:25.32cladhaireralfWORK: would you test something for me: http://wowprogramming.com/utils/mac/lua-wow.dmg
13:25.38cladhairedownload that, and see if running Lua-WoW works
13:26.21ralfWORKcladhaire: I should have qualified; I do not have WoW on this machine
13:26.27cladhairedont need it
13:26.29ralfWORKk
13:26.30ralfWORKsec
13:26.36cladhairethats just a lua interpreter
13:26.41cladhairestandalone as a .app
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13:30.17Adysjesus
13:30.37Adyswhy dont the pidgin guys get it over with and add the damn option to resize the input manually
13:31.31Adysthey are spamming http://pidgin.im/~elb/blog/giving_back as their reason for not doing it which basically states "We agree, and while we will only give options when we agree with it, we won't in this case because we've been defending it too long"
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13:35.09foxlitThe change seems insignificant to care about
13:35.19foxlitIt's their app; they may remove whatever options they want to
13:36.01Adysyou cant act like an ass and at the same time expect people to respect you
13:36.16Adyssure its their app, but its still the most popular open source IM
13:36.33wereHamsterthat's why some people made a fork. So use the fork
13:36.52AdysI dont care about the option myself, I dont use that
13:36.56AdysI just find it ridiculous to the bone
13:37.32foxlitdaily quota of things to find ridiculous to the bone: check! :)
13:37.38Adysforking generally happens when there's serious issues going on (read: licences, core functionalities and features changed)
13:37.47Adysforking over an input resizing is just... yeah
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13:44.04sag_ich_nicht[15:31] <Adys> they are spamming http://pidgin.im/~elb/blog/giving_back as their reason for not doing it which basically states "We agree, and while we will only give options when we agree with it, we won't in this case because we've been defending it too long" <--this is why i use trillian
13:45.09nevcairielpidgin needs like 10 plugins to be usable anyway
13:45.14nevcairieli cba to go hunt for those
13:46.56Adyssag_ich_nicht, i dont have much respect for applications that ask you to pay to get something given away for free in a lot of other apps, not if it's not considerably better quality anyway (cf photoshop)
13:47.59Adystrillian, mirc etc are just heabily modified copypastes that offer nothing more than what freeware or oss already offer
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13:48.07Adyss/b/v/
13:48.32nevcairieltbh, i didnt find anything yet that replaces trillian for me, all alternatives either suck or require me to spend a week setting them up
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13:49.18AdysDigsby on windows, otherwise Miranda IM and the like
13:49.58Saint-Ndigsby?
13:50.10sag_ich_nicht[15:47] <Adys> trillian, mirc etc are just heabily modified copypastes that offer nothing more than what freeware or oss already offer <--"copy pastes"?
13:50.22sag_ich_nichtif you claim that code was stolen you're a moron
13:50.33AdysI dont claim code was stolen
13:50.36Saint-Nwinders multi IM == pidigin trillian and miranda
13:50.37sag_ich_nichtand trillian offers a a lot more than what pidgin has
13:50.54sag_ich_nichtat least trillian astra does :P
13:51.33sag_ich_nichtwhich is still in alpha stadium, and it beats pidgin & miranda
13:51.40Adysmatter of opinion
13:51.48durcynyou do realize there's a nontrivial amount of code sharing between trillian and libpurple, sag
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13:53.21sag_ich_nichtdurcyn i realize that this was the case with trillian 3.x, yes.
13:57.42wereHamsterAll I need is irc. I mean, do you need anything else than /join #wowuidev ?
13:58.01wereHamster.. and in-game whispers
13:58.11durcynyou need /hug wereHamster.  oh, if only every irc client supported /hug fully.
13:58.40Endjust emote it? :P
13:59.19wereHamsterirssi doesn't
14:00.46wereHamsterso selfish :(
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14:01.51PolarinaAll I need is World of Warcraft and "fair-trade" in Blizzard's UI code. :)
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14:09.46Saint-Nsag_ich_nicht: yeah miranda's plugin selection is gereat though
14:10.02Saint-Nthe only thing i dont much like about miranda lately is an odd graphic glitch
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14:11.11Saint-Nhow is digsby?
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14:32.27Industrialhow hard is MT? Can a 70 in blues/greens do it?
14:33.13Shirikeh
14:33.28ShirikIt could be done, but it has a steep learning curve
14:33.30Shirikwhat role?
14:33.34Industrialsham, elemental
14:33.39Industrialer enhancement***
14:33.40ShirikI think you'd be fine
14:33.58Shirikthe healer is the only one that has an inordinate amount of trouble due to the amount of aoe healing required
14:36.07Shirikhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v632/seif/MMORPG.jpg
14:36.31KasoFully pvp, heh
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14:38.24wereHamster'incredible NPC AI' that is questionable
14:41.05SpiderBKwereHamster: i figured out why my dropdown wasnt working, i used info.notCheckable which messed everything up
14:42.40Shirikwtf
14:42.43Shirik"Your video is still live because UMG has authorized the use of this content on YouTube. As long as UMG has a claim on your video, they will receive public statistics about your video, such as number of views. Viewers may also see advertising on your video's page."
14:42.47Shirikfrom YouTube
14:43.19ckknightlink?
14:43.23Shirikthis video has been up for like 2 years and they just filed a copyright claim, and wtf are they calling a copyright on
14:43.55Shirikhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oounp3Kn5ik (first kill of a boss in another game)
14:44.09Saint-Nhttp://www.officemax.com/omax/catalog/sku.jsp?skuId=20850223&displayBreadCrumb=null&_requestiD=46681&cm_ven=Performics&cm_cat=DealCatcher.com&cm_pla=Primary&cm_ite=Primary&affcode=performics&siteID=k2164&mid=777
14:44.30Fisker-how can they claim copyright on it even if they own it?
14:44.46Fisker-Surely we, as the ones who made the movie, regardless of it's contest, must own the copyright right?
14:44.46Shirikuh
14:44.49ShirikI don't know what they own
14:44.52Fisker-content*
14:45.07Shirikwho is UMG anyway?
14:45.13Fisker-universal music
14:45.29Shirikoh
14:45.34Shirikthe background music that I hate
14:45.40Shirikfking cherie made me put it on
14:46.12Fisker-what is it?
14:46.13Shirikmost fun ever: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoLa2-UWLUk&feature=related
14:46.18ShirikI don't remember
14:46.25Fisker-sounds like shaft
14:46.37Saint-Nshirik that you?
14:46.41Shirikyup
14:46.45Shirikthat's it Fisker-
14:46.48Saint-Nwhat font ya using for the damage?
14:46.54Saint-Ni really like that
14:47.02Fisker-yeah
14:47.07Shirikuh, I dunno
14:47.11Shirikit's not WoW
14:47.15Fisker-Isaac Hayes' record company is owned by Vivendi
14:47.18Fisker-i.e Universal
14:47.19Saint-Nso?
14:47.24Saint-Nfind the font ;P
14:47.28Shirikha
14:47.28Fisker-so that's why
14:47.32Fisker-But i still wonder
14:47.52Fisker-If i show a video of some game content, surely the people who own the game can't claim copyright?
14:48.23Shiriknot really sure
14:48.37Shirikthey wouldn't against me anyway since I worked for them at the time I made it. Hopefully they still like me :P
14:48.57Saint-Nwhat game is that?
14:49.24ShirikRF Online
14:49.26Fisker-just more wondering about the GTA stuff
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14:49.39Fisker-because Take 2 kept pulling down movies with copyright claims
14:49.46Saint-Nrf?
14:49.53Shirikthe pve is horrible, these videos don't really give it justice
14:49.55Shirikit's all about pvp
14:50.01Fisker-Rising Force
14:50.03Shirikuh, it's debated what "RF" stands for
14:50.13Saint-Nurl will suffice
14:50.18Shirikthe official name says "Rising Force" though it is argued that in Korea it is "Romance & Fantasy"
14:50.23Shirikrf-onlinegame.com if it hasnt' change
14:50.24Saint-Nis it one of those pay to play or pay to buy stuff?
14:50.30Shirikit used to be pay to play
14:50.35Shirikit's gone f2p with a cash shop
14:50.41Saint-Nlooks nice
14:50.44Shirikbecause the company was a bunch of idiots and screwed over the game
14:50.44Saint-Nis it actually fun?
14:50.47Shirikit had HUGE potential
14:50.49Shirik... it was
14:51.03Matrix110well most MMORPGs got potential
14:51.03Saint-Nim talking solo play
14:51.04Matrix110problem is
14:51.11Matrix110who would pay for it when they already pay for wow
14:51.13Saint-Ni despise most raid group type stuff
14:51.25Shirikuh
14:51.29Shirikyou won't get around if you solo
14:51.43Shirikyou can't kill anyone solo unless they're about 20 levels below you or you're me, and you can't level solo past about level 20
14:51.52Saint-Noh
14:51.53Saint-Nweak
14:52.04Shirikthe game revolves around group coordination
14:52.20Shirikevery 8 hours there's a "chip war" in which everyone from each race fights against each other in a pvp battle
14:52.20Saint-Noh
14:52.22Shirik3 teams
14:52.28Shiriks/teams/races/
14:52.37Shirikonly 1 wins
14:52.39Saint-Ni wish war would open beta already
14:53.02ShirikI was the race leader for about 8 months, so much fun. Having everyone follow you
14:53.15Saint-Nyou were baby hitler?
14:53.27Shirikhey, I was nice to everyone
14:53.31Shirikexcept the other races
14:53.36Shirikwait, wait, I have some good quotes
14:53.37Saint-Nleading them in a rac war
14:53.41Saint-Nrace
14:53.42Fisker-hitler was nice too
14:53.47Shirikthey started it.
14:53.47Saint-Nto exterminate the other races
14:53.49Fisker-it's all about spin and perspective
14:56.19Shirikfrom one of the other races: "kimina ur a monster. so what ur a small bell girl, youre like the girl from the grudge, all crawling around and killing people. my god, im a lvl 37 warrior in ranger armor and you rip me to pieces in like 30 seconds."
14:56.47Shirik(ranger armor is very powerful against me... supposedly :P )
14:57.22Shirikhaha
14:57.32ShirikI remember this one:
14:57.37Shiriknobody who isnt bell should "look for kimina"
14:57.38Shirikpeople, she's gonna crawl through your computer moniter and eat your soul. like on the ring or something. or like at wednesday's post patch cw...
14:57.40Saint-Nsee you're a little girl
14:57.42Saint-Ni knew it!
14:57.43ShirikI WAS ONLY HITTING CORA RL, WHY DID U KILL MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE?!?!?!?!
14:57.48Shiriki swear, im gonna throw away all my dreams of going assaulter and go merc just so dont have to wake up shivering in the night...
14:57.58Shirikfor the record, he did eventually go merc.
14:58.07Shirik(assaulter is like dps warrior, merc is prot)
14:58.37ShirikSaint-N, we had a lot of fun roleplaying too :)
14:58.45Shirikbut they knew I was a guy, obviously
14:58.51Shirikvent is so important in that game
14:58.58Saint-Nshirik: i bet you did, wink wink
14:59.40Shirikholy crap TMP is still running
14:59.44ShirikI should post in there sometime
14:59.45zenzelezzthey might have known you were a guy, but have thought you acted like a girl
15:00.00Shirikthey're about to hit 100 pages...
15:00.27Saint-N"thought"?
15:00.32Saint-Nhe is a little girl
15:00.46Shirikthat's what our race is :)
15:00.49Saint-Nshiriks battle cry is "not in the face not in the face"
15:00.51Shirikhere I should have a SS of myself somewhere
15:01.10Saint-Nnot to be oncufsed with his sex related screams
15:01.13Saint-Nconfused
15:01.20Saint-Nwhich oddly enough are just that reversed
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15:03.16Shiriklittle girl: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/70963394cd346588070ba3b9e1e9e223.jpg
15:03.17Saint-Nspeaking of which
15:03.19Saint-Nhi cog
15:03.46cog|work~lart3mis
15:03.47purlACTION smacks art3mis upside the head just cuz
15:03.51Shiriklittle girl with no monies: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/c0ca5f426645d2e3f8070a6c7f6f78c9.jpg
15:04.03Saint-Nhow is it you know that im talking bad about you cog?
15:04.23Saint-Ni mean it's a safe assumption and all
15:04.25cog|workwho said anything about you talking bad about me? :P
15:04.29Saint-Nbut really it's kind of creepy
15:04.41Saint-Nim telling!
15:05.00Shirik~lart3mis
15:05.01purlACTION smacks art3mis upside the head just cuz
15:05.10cog|work'just cuz' ≠ 'cause u were talkin bad about me'
15:05.34Shirik!
15:05.38Shirikhow to type that = / thingy!
15:05.49cog|workgoogle unicode not equal
15:05.53cog|workor character map
15:06.14Saint-N|Épw3Pƒáíó
15:06.16cog|workoh you have to have an irc client that doesn't fail, too
15:06.25Saint-Nalt+numpad
15:06.46Saint-Nya know what i just noticed cog?
15:06.56Saint-Nim not even on my art3mis client
15:07.04Saint-Nand yet i still thought it was this client
15:07.25Saint-Ni think ive had that nick far too long
15:07.36zenzelezzShirik: http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/search.htm
15:07.46Shirik?
15:07.47Shirikbah
15:08.00zenzelezzin some way or another you should find enough info to use the characters there
15:08.02Saint-Nwhee
15:08.25Shirik???
15:08.26Shirik!
15:08.36Saint-Nyour client is full of fail
15:08.40Shirikit is
15:08.47Saint-Nyou in nix?
15:08.50Saint-Nor winders
15:08.53Shirik?
15:08.57Shirik? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
15:08.59ShirikSTOP THAT
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15:09.53SeerahI think you have a key stuck :P
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15:10.13Saint-NÅÉæÆôöò
15:10.14westexasman.motd
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15:10.33Saint-N143-149
15:11.00Saint-Nshirik: what client ya using?
15:11.14Shirikisn't that harder to type out than the CTCP?
15:11.43Saint-Nthe stuff i just typed?
15:11.58Saint-Nnope hold down alt typ the 3 numbers on the numpad and release alt ;)
15:12.36SeerahPidgin fails
15:14.09Saint-Nyeah
15:14.13Saint-Nits really ugly in winders
15:14.20Saint-Ndigby looks nice though
15:14.30Saint-Nsort of a non ugly version of miranda
15:14.47Saint-Nmiranda has an awesome collection of plugins though
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15:18.46Saint-NDigsby offers complete synchronization between computers and installations. Everything from the skin you chose to your pre-defined status messages follows you from place to place.
15:18.51Saint-Nthats kinna groovy
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15:26.17SpiderBKwhat would be the best way to get all the frame names that have UIParent as parent?
15:26.44KasoSpiderBK UIParent:GetChildren()
15:26.46nevcairielUIParent:GetChildren?
15:26.48nevcairieldamn
15:26.55Kasomwhaha!
15:27.05SpiderBKwell i tried that but i get some strange results there o_O
15:27.12Kasostrange how?
15:27.15nevcairielyou get all the frames without names too
15:27.39SpiderBKwell it returns things like 0, hide, update and such things
15:28.07nevcairiellocal Frames = { UIParent:GetChildren() }
15:28.22nevcairielFrames[1]:GetName() .. = name of frame 1
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15:37.51SpiderBKis it possible to have a dropdown menu which has a maximum height and can be scrolled?
15:38.43MikkStandard framexlm dropdowns don't do that
15:38.48Lukiantablet can do that :D
15:38.51MikkEither code your own or use e.g. DewdropLib
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15:42.35SpiderBKwhats tablet?
15:43.11wereHamsterTabletLib
15:44.32SpiderBKcan entrys of a scroll bar act like buttons?
15:46.36cog|workcan anyone verify that questLevel == questLink:match("|Hquest:%d+:(%d+)")
15:49.05Mikkerm no not really
15:49.15Mikkthe first arg is the quest id
15:49.22Mikkerrrr nvm you didnt parenthesize that
15:49.25cog|workMikk: lern2capture
15:49.27dylanmHehe.
15:49.32Mikkyeahyeah i need more coffee
15:50.04Mikkcog|work: yeah, that's correct. just keep in mind that the level can be -1
15:50.24Mikkbg instance quests, children's week stuff, etc
15:50.34dylanmOh, interesting.
15:50.34cog|workthanks :)
15:51.29dylanm|Hquest:11335:-1|h[Call to Arms: Arathi Basin]|h
15:51.31dylanmIndeed.
15:51.36sag_ich_nichtaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand another memory alcoation crash caused by the lua sandbox, errors & crash error can be found here, memory dump file available on request: http://pastey.net/87000
15:51.42Mikkactually hmm that'd mean that you'd have to do (%-?%d+)
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15:52.53KasoWoah thats a big ass error
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15:57.56sag_ich_nichtit's a chainreaction
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15:59.32sag_ich_nichtaddon list attached to the pastey now
15:59.35Kasohow does that even happen? Is that a bug in blizz c code?
15:59.38sag_ich_nichtprobably
15:59.50sag_ich_nichtnobody has found a way to intentionally cause it
15:59.57sag_ich_nichtit just randomly happens
16:00.34sag_ich_nichtalways in relation with tooltips
16:00.53sag_ich_nichtand GetRegions
16:05.57Fisker-wtf
16:06.06Fisker-my taskbar is overlapping wow now
16:06.09Fisker-;_;
16:08.43hasteFisker-: it's the taskbars way of telling you to become a hero
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16:10.36sag_ich_nichthaste if you have to use memes that you do not understand, at least use them proper and say "an hero"
16:10.47sag_ich_nicht*properly
16:11.07Valaron|Workheh
16:11.34hasteyou have no vote in this sag_ich_nicht :3
16:11.59sag_ich_nichto rly
16:12.27wereHamsteror the taskbars way of telling you to stop playing WoW and do some productive work instead
16:12.39LopeppeppyFor every grammar noodge there is an equal and opposite slacker.  Wars are inevitable.
16:13.05sag_ich_nichtLopeppeppy in this case, it's a meme telling someone to commit suicide
16:13.52nevcairielmaybe the taskbar wanted you to do that?
16:13.54nevcairielwho knows!
16:13.58sag_ich_nichthi Zootfizzle wanna see something horrible? http://pastey.net/87000
16:14.40sag_ich_nicht(yes i know he just dropped and isn't actually there... but i can try at least!)
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16:19.15cog|work~fail sag_ich_nicht
16:19.16purlsag_ich_nicht, you Fail!
16:19.27cog|work|<--Zootfizzle has left freenode (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
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16:30.05sag_ich_nichti kno
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16:35.04Shirikall right, folks, time to make the long drive home
16:35.12Shirikbe nice to Cairenn|afk!
16:35.40LopeppeppyDrive safe, Shirik.  Let us know when you arrive!
16:35.51ShirikI won't arrive for 3 days, so uh
16:35.53Shirikdon't worry until then :P
16:37.26LopeppeppyThat's about forever.  *hug*  I'm kind of a momma-bear, so I'll worry until I see ya around again.  :)
16:43.59Saint-Nhrm freevo is pretty rad
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17:36.54klipI've just heared something about an addon telling me that an enemy player is nearby if I define that player into addon's list and showing his position in minimap. Could that be possible?
17:38.00cog|workmagic numbers in PaperDollFrame 4tl
17:38.19klipwhat? :)
17:38.20cog|workklip: no
17:38.23klipoh
17:38.27wereHamsterif he does something in the range of the combatlog then maybe. But if he sneaks up to you without doing anything then no
17:38.30cog|work(sry... was unrelated)
17:38.49cog|workwhat wereHamster said :)
17:38.55klipI thought so
17:38.57klipthanks :)
17:38.59cog|workanything beyond that would be bannable
17:39.02wereHamsterbut you won't get the minimap position in any case
17:40.54klipyeah, once I noticed some alliance guys fighting nearby because of combat log, but I guess I changed some settings and I don't see it anymore, it would be nice to see it again. Does it happen that you know where I can turn it on? :)
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17:40.59Legorolklip: there is a high chance the person trying to get you install such an addon is a hoax, trying to steal your password
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17:42.17klipit's friend of my friend who is telling he had been using something like this. I'm not going to install anything of weird source :)
17:47.02kliphmm, something like this http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8660-ParanoiaEnemyPlayerAlert.html
17:47.05klipI like it
17:58.46sag_ich_nichthalp
17:58.54sag_ich_nichtaloft setting to grey/fade out non-targeted mobs
17:59.32sag_ich_nichtnvm found it
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18:16.50Bela|workhttp://wowcompares.com/0428268 is up
18:17.29dylanmwowcompares eh?
18:18.08wereHamsteris that the new wdn?
18:21.16Bela|workyeah I moved it
18:21.21Bela|workold links redirect
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18:21.57Bela|workwas a much more fitting domain name imho
18:22.13dylanmIt's a good name!
18:22.16dylanmI like the logo :p
18:22.17Bela|worksurprised it wasn't taken after this long actually
18:25.11pastamancerit's really slow for me :(
18:25.26LukianIt's really fast for me
18:26.51Bela|workwhats slow pasta?
18:27.16pastamancerthe first page I loaded took forever to load
18:27.31pastamancerpresumably it was fetching all the little images for the first time
18:27.40Bela|workmight be google analytics
18:27.44Bela|workit tends to do that sometimes
18:28.04pastamancernah, I have google blocked in noscript
18:28.19Bela|workdamn you
18:28.30Bela|workmakes it hard for my to get accurate visitor data
18:28.33Bela|workhehe
18:29.05pastamancergoogle doesn't need to know all the websites I visit :p
18:30.36Bela|workits not so much for google
18:30.39Bela|workits more for me
18:31.02wereHamsterwhy do you need to know that?
18:31.35Bela|workwhat?
18:31.39Bela|workwho visits my site?
18:31.42wereHamsteryes
18:31.49Bela|workwhy would anyone want to know?
18:32.27Bela|workI don't care about WHO so much as things like where, what areas of the site get used most, what impact changes I make have, that kind of thing
18:32.31Bela|workbrowser saturation
18:32.37Bela|workreferring sites
18:33.15Lukianuse your own log files ^_^
18:33.49Bela|workmeh
18:33.50pastamancerBela|work: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/eb299b95de096748f27f548839d51996.png
18:33.54Bela|workanalytics does the same thing
18:33.59pastamancerfirebug load time chart
18:34.23LukianBela|work, except a number of end-users block it :D
18:34.51Bela|workyeah I ahve firebug too
18:35.01Bela|workso it took 3.9 seconds to load?
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18:35.07pastamanceryeah
18:35.16Bela|workand tahts a long time?
18:35.42pastamancerthe first time it took more like 10 seconds, but I didn't have firebug enabled
18:35.59Bela|workmight be a route issue
18:36.11Bela|workI can't figure out any reason for it to take a long time
18:36.20Bela|workthose files are definitely small enough
18:36.27pastamancercould also be something wierd with ff3
18:36.36pastamancerseems ok in safari
18:36.56Bela|workoh yeah I haven't tested in ff3
18:36.58Bela|workhmmm
18:37.02pastamancermaybe ff had to load some sort of xsl component for the first view
18:37.09Bela|workprobably
18:37.35Bela|workmaybe I should stop using xsl
18:38.21pastamancerany reason you're using it over divs and css?
18:38.32Bela|workwell technically it is divs and css
18:38.42pastamancerbut generated by xsl?
18:38.45Bela|workyeah
18:38.58Bela|workI did it originally so that people could get the pure xml and use their own stylesheets
18:39.02Bela|workfor offsite rendering of data
18:39.09Bela|workbut I don't know that anyone does that
18:39.39Bela|workmeaning you COULD pull the data to your own site in an aggregator
18:40.30sag_ich_nichtugh.
18:40.36sag_ich_nichtFisker-
18:40.41sag_ich_nichtshow up
18:40.41Fisker-I ONLY HAVE 21000G
18:40.49sag_ich_nichtthat's not what i'm talking about
18:40.53Fisker-BUT I AM TALKING ABOUT IT
18:40.57sag_ich_nichtyou know how when your raid adds an addgroup
18:40.58Fisker-IM VERY UPSET
18:41.03sag_ich_nichtand you use DI
18:41.08sag_ich_nichtand then they kill it anyway?
18:41.11sag_ich_nichtthat sucks.
18:41.12sag_ich_nicht>(
18:41.15Fisker-:D
18:41.32Fisker-i'm more into DI'ing the main tanks and such
18:41.34Fisker-by mistake
18:41.37Fisker-wiping the whole raid
18:41.38Bela|workheh
18:42.03pastamancerit seems that somewhere after it renders the file list, ff3 hangs out for a few seconds and then finishes the page
18:42.16Fisker-Fx!
18:43.05sag_ich_nicht[20:41] <Fisker-> i'm more into DI'ing the main tanks and such <--i wish i could pull that off once
18:43.16sag_ich_nichtaltho i DID BoP one of the tanks at kael once :X
18:43.41Fisker-done it once in a hyjal raid
18:44.15Bela|workpastamancer: I wonder if it is redering the page post-stylesheet and then caching that
18:46.04pastamanceroh, unified diffs not finished yet?
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18:47.05Bela|workonly for individual files
18:47.17Bela|workyou can download the diff for the entire patch
18:47.34Bela|workI just haven't coded in the part that does a single file
18:49.29Bela|workplenty to work on anyway before that. I am testing a possible switch to a git backend, as well as adding some things to the interface
18:49.56Bela|workas well as looking for better syntax highlighters
18:50.12Bela|workI use GeSHi and it is a tad slow on large files
18:50.33pastamancerhttp://wowcompares.com/0428268?download=0428209 is empty
18:50.44pastamancerfrom http://wowcompares.com/0428268?diff=0428209
18:51.15Bela|workyeah sorry, might be a path issue from the domain move
18:53.49kergothargh, damnit, why can't i repro this lootalert bug these people are hitting :|
18:54.26Fisker-it's a bag
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19:07.08ScytheBlade1Who keeps moving WDN? -.-
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19:07.55[Liquidor]Hi everyone :-)
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19:08.56[Liquidor]Just cleaned my laptop. Had 3gb of crapware :]
19:16.27kergothAntiarc: ping
19:16.32Antiarcpong
19:17.05kergothAntiarc: i hacked BetterBlizzOptions to add more buttons to the addons/categories list in the interfaceoptionsframe, so when the window is taller you see more addons in the list
19:17.10kergothshould i commit it?
19:17.20Antiarccan you show me a screenshot?
19:17.25kergothwill do
19:17.26Antiarc(it sounds good, just want to see it)
19:19.30sag_ich_nichtugh
19:19.33sag_ich_nichtwe just wiped on akama
19:19.35sag_ich_nichtthe shaaaaaaame
19:19.40ScytheBlade1~shame sag_ich_nicht
19:19.41purlShame on you sag_ich_nicht!
19:19.46Endfail!
19:21.43cog|workanyone know of a case when stat and effectiveStat would be different? (stat, effectiveStat, posBuff, negBuff = UnitStat(unit, statID)
19:22.25Cideisn't stat the stat without posBuff and negBuff added?
19:22.28foxlitFrost Armor buffing armor?
19:22.31Cideand effectiveStat is the sum?
19:22.47cog|workCide: nope
19:23.02cog|workfoxlit: armor doesn't come from UnitStat
19:23.38cog|workCide: the returns are identical in all my testing so far
19:23.50pastamancercog|work: what about when you're in that aura in the bombed town east of shattrah?
19:23.58Cidedoes blizzcode use stat or effectiveStat when it displays it in the sheet?
19:24.39kergothAntiarc: http://kergoth.com/images/old-scrolledup.jpg http://kergoth.com/images/old-scrolleddown.jpg - current behavior
19:24.51kergothAntiarc: http://kergoth.com/images/new-scrolledup.jpg http://kergoth.com/images/new-scrolleddown.jpg - with the change i made
19:25.48cog|workCide: it uses a combination of both in the code
19:25.54cog|workfor paperdollframe & petpaperdollframe
19:25.58cog|worke.g.
19:26.00ZootfizzleInteresting EE article: http://tinyurl.com/4amusz
19:26.03AntiarcOh, nice, commit it.
19:26.05cog|worklocal expectedHealthGain = (((stat - posBuff - negBuff)-20)*10+20)*GetUnitHealthModifier("pet");
19:26.06kergothk
19:26.06cog|worklocal realHealthGain = ((effectiveStat-20)*10+20)*GetUnitHealthModifier("pet");
19:26.08cog|worklocal healthGain = (realHealthGain - expectedHealthGain)*GetUnitMaxHealthModifier("pet");
19:26.41Cidelooks to me like effectiveStat == (stat - posBuff - negBuff) according to that code
19:26.43kergothcourse that scrolling in the addons list is buggy as hell with or without this change, it lets you scroll down even when the scrollbar is hidden, at times
19:26.45ScytheBlade1Zootfizzle: holy crap a tinyurl that ISN'T a rickroll
19:26.49kergothneed to figure out how to fix that
19:27.02cog|workCide: well you're wrong...
19:27.03ScytheBlade1Zootfizzle: I'm not sure if I should be impressed or disappointed
19:27.03cog|work:P
19:27.22ZootfizzleHeh, I'm establishing trust so I can abuse it later ;)
19:27.30ScytheBlade1I can take that
19:27.51cog|workCide: on my huntard, UnitStat("player", 3) == 92, 92, 29, 0
19:29.18Cidestrange
19:32.47Fisker-lol
19:33.00Fisker-EA blames piracy because noone wants to buy their shitty annual sport games
19:33.03Fisker-waaah
19:33.18ScytheBlade1rofl
19:33.22ScytheBlade1Seriously blames piracy?
19:33.26Fisker-yeah
19:33.37Fisker-http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/features/interview-a-sporting-man-eas-peter-moore/?biz=1&page=3
19:33.43Fisker-how do i used steam?
19:33.54cog|workCide: in that code (stat - posBuff - negBuff) is what you would expect stat to be...
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19:55.56Bela|workpastamancer: udiffs are working again
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20:04.59zenzelezzmy god... I just watched my dad open the Windows search thing, and he hadn't disabled the dog
20:05.22NechcknHey-  I like the dog
20:05.26Syzgyn>_O
20:05.31Nechcknso back off!  =)
20:05.56NechcknI even have gone so far as to enable the "rocky" dog in office under any version that will let me
20:06.40NechcknPaper Clip is annoying as all hell... but I <3 my pooch
20:08.32Fisker-why would one disable the dog?
20:08.40sag_ich_nichtugh
20:08.44Fisker-5 seconds you could better be spending on searching
20:08.54sag_ich_nichtwhy did I KNOW that half my raid wouldn't have watched the gorefiend video?
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20:08.59sag_ich_nichtforced 10 minute pause -_-
20:09.00NechcknAlot of people don't like the animation stuff
20:09.05Fisker-haha sag_ich_nicht
20:09.06Fisker-owned
20:09.23sag_ich_nicht+raid ends at 22:30#
20:09.24sag_ich_nicht-#
20:09.25sag_ich_nicht-.-
20:10.28Fisker-rofl
20:10.57ZootfizzleI like Rocky for his blowtorch.
20:11.02ZootfizzleAny dog with a blowtorch can stay.
20:11.32NechcknYes!
20:12.05ZootfizzleOh? You don't want this document any more? LET ME SET IT ON FIRE
20:12.05NechcknThe best is when you empty the spam box and he burn it
20:12.40NechcknHahahha woo  Zootfizzle get outta my head, you!
20:13.53ZootfizzleAnd they said these could cause schizophrenia...
20:14.00ZootfizzleAHHH QUIET VOICES QUIET
20:14.49Nechcknhmm.. double "return"s there... I think an English angel just dies
20:14.54Nechckns/dies/died
20:14.55Nechckndamn
20:15.00NechcknI'll be quiet now
20:15.06ScytheBlade1It's always nice to know that there is a twitch of raw insanty up at Blizz HQ.
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20:28.24VonHellmannmy Khaos configuration manager is closing right after I open it via the Escape menu. How do I fix this?
20:29.55Matrix110|by not using Bloatware? :P
20:30.46MentalPower~lart Matrix110|
20:30.46purlhereby declares Matrix110| a troll
20:30.52MentalPowerthats not at all helpful
20:30.53NechcknVonHellmann  So, you hit Esc, then select the manager, then it closes?
20:31.01MentalPower~botsnack
20:31.01purl:), MentalPower
20:31.23MentalPowerMatrix110|: if you have nothing helpful to say, don't say anything at all, trolling is not tolerated here
20:31.39NechcknDo you see any type of errors when it closes?
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20:40.12Saint-Nhey look everyone its zootfizzle!
20:40.26Saint-Nlets ask him stupid dev questions and get him to add backdoors for us
20:43.38ScytheBlade1In one way, I'm glad that people can't read threads correctly. It gives me people to troll, without any real consequence.
20:43.46ScytheBlade1On the other hand, HOW CAN YOU PEOPLE BE SO STUPID?
20:44.01Saint-Ngenetics
20:44.20Saint-Nidiocracy explains it ;P
20:44.32Saint-Nsmart people are too smart to breed
20:44.44Saint-Nstupid people have nothing better to do
20:46.31*** kick/#wowuidev [Saint-N!i=c64a263b@WoWUIDev/Blizz/Zooty-Zoot-Zoot] by Zootfizzle (Look, I found a back door ;))
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20:46.49ZootfizzleWell, I guess that was a front door =\
20:46.54Zootfizzle<3
20:47.40Saint-Nyou stay away from my backdoor
20:47.41Saint-Nperv
20:47.57Zootfizzle...!
20:48.34Cairennart - that's zoot, not tek
20:48.39Cairennyou're safe
20:48.43Saint-Nphew
20:48.51Saint-Nzoots still a perv though
20:49.08ScytheBlade1Well
20:49.15Saint-Nyou should see the /m's i get
20:49.17ScytheBlade1He's also a perv with +o here and "lolbanned" on the forums
20:49.17Cairennmaybe, but not one you have to worry yourself over
20:49.21ScytheBlade1So
20:49.28Tekkubzoot did what to my backdoor?
20:49.32Saint-Ni dont post on the forums
20:49.43Saint-Nmy account is in stasis
20:49.47Tekkubis zoot cute and fuzzy? I know slow ken is
20:49.51Keiasdid he reach around and jiggle the lock?
20:49.53Saint-Nand ive been on irc far to long to care about a +b ;)
20:50.08Saint-Nso nyah scythe
20:50.15ScytheBlade1That's just asking for it
20:50.20ScytheBlade1If I had a +o right now, bam
20:50.24ScytheBlade1It'd be over
20:50.30Saint-Nand thats why you dont ;)
20:50.34ScytheBlade1:(
20:50.51ScytheBlade1Cairenn: temp +o? Gogo? :)
20:50.57Cairennheh
20:51.00Saint-Ndo eeeeeeeeeeeet
20:51.08Saint-Nits home time for me in 10mins anyways
20:51.45Cairennspeaking of which - still loving the new job?
20:52.01Saint-Nyup
20:52.06Saint-Nits bacon friday tomorrow
20:52.10Cairennlol
20:52.15CairennI thought you were joking about that
20:52.30Saint-Nnope
20:52.36Industrialhmm, if I want to have an action button that doesnt have a spell id what template do I inherit from? I just want it to be a clickable CheckButton that casts a spell when you click/use it.
20:52.50IndustrialI am no inheriting from ActionBarButtonTemplate but that gives it the id 1 by default
20:52.51Saint-Nand we had free sammys today cuz our network mand support didnt choke at all during the fed announcement
20:52.51Cairennthen you must just fit in there like a pea in a pod - sounds like they are as strange as you are :p
20:52.57Industrial.. oh ill try setting that to 0
20:53.03Saint-Nit was awesome
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20:53.25Saint-Nour normal bw useage is about 24mbyte from 9:30-4pm
20:53.40Saint-Nduring the 20 mins after the fed announcement we were at 134mbyte steady
20:53.53Saint-Nnot a single server died
20:53.59Saint-Nnot a single customer disconn
20:54.06Saint-Nwe rule
20:54.16PolarinaSaint-N: *cheers*
20:54.39Cairenngrats
20:54.40Saint-Neven had clients call us and thank us and congrats us for a job well done ;)
20:54.47Saint-Nso today we got free sammys ;)
20:55.05Saint-Nyeah its awesome here
20:55.37Saint-Ni built 5 freevo media boxes from the old hp e-pc machines they had laying around
20:55.42Saint-Njust cuz
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20:56.42ScytheBlade1fed announcement?
20:56.49Cairennlol
20:57.27Cairenn(to the "just cuz")
20:57.42Saint-Nyeah the announcement thyey cut the intereste rate /25%
20:57.45Saint-N.25%
20:57.47ScytheBlade1Ah
20:57.55Saint-Nmarket goes insane during that time
20:58.19Saint-Ni wish i had 134mbyte/s bw into my house
20:58.24Saint-Nthat would be so awesome
20:58.37Saint-Nalthough 24mbyte would be pretty rad too
20:59.32Saint-Nwelp home time!
20:59.35Saint-Nciao belle
20:59.40sag_ich_nichtYES
20:59.47sag_ich_nichtgorefiend down and i got the drape
20:59.48sag_ich_nicht\o/
20:59.57Gnarfozfu
21:00.22sag_ich_nichtour first kill btw., after 3 tries
21:00.23sag_ich_nicht:O
21:00.39Gnarfozhe's easy as long as the retards don't get shadowed
21:00.51sag_ich_nichtbut the retards DID get shadowed!
21:01.53Gnarfozyou got shadowed? hm
21:02.02Gnarfoz;D could not resist ;>
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21:02.22CrysliHiya
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21:04.09kergothanyone know if receiving an item from a trade generates a loot message?
21:04.28nevcairielit does
21:04.35kergothah, okay, thanks
21:04.51nevcairielat least i get the items listed in my chat window :)
21:05.34kergothcool, that simplifies my code a tiny bit
21:05.44kergothtrying to fix this miscount bug in lootalert was a royal pain in the ass
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21:14.26IndustrialWhy are all arra'koa limp?
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21:17.39sag_ich_nichthio Zootfizzle.
21:20.10ZootfizzleHiya!
21:20.22sag_ich_nichtyou found anything? ^^
21:20.34ZootfizzleI find many things!
21:20.43Tullerlint?
21:20.53ZootfizzleDo you mean with your taint issue?
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21:21.16ZootfizzleI haven't had time to look at it yet, I'm busy working on other stuff, I just added it to my list of taint-related things to check
21:21.22sag_ich_nicht^^
21:21.35sag_ich_nichti also have a lua induced crash for you that couldn't be tracked down yet :)
21:22.05sag_ich_nichthttp://pastey.net/87000
21:23.36ZootfizzleIs that something arcane to reproduce, or can you accidentally run into it on a regular basis?
21:24.09ZootfizzleAnd what do you mean by crash?
21:24.25ZootfizzleAhh
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21:25.22PolarinaIt's a trivial task to crash the client so hard that the crash-report tool doesn't even show up.
21:26.27Tullermy favorite one was the version of omnicc I wrote that would crash only mac users :P
21:26.38dylanmOh yeah I remember that.
21:26.58amrooh wow. both mac users crashed. :P
21:27.05sag_ich_nichtZootfizzle: arcane, i have never ever managed to reproduce it intentionally, it just randomly happens, there's a whole thread about it in the wowace forums here: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=12787.0
21:27.18sag_ich_nichtZootfizzle: i can also get you the .dmp file from the crash you want it :)
21:27.52Polarinasag_ich_nicht: Before you send it, make sure you check if your account password isn't stored there. :)
21:29.13cog|workhttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6248635570&postId=62478246496&sid=1#36
21:29.35sag_ich_nichtPolarina: pfffffffff
21:29.50ScytheBlade1cog|work: bookmarked
21:30.00ScytheBlade1;)
21:30.03wereHamstermaybe blizz could add more informations to the error messages, like 'memory allocation error: block too big (XX bytes)'
21:30.37ScytheBlade1Only three posts, you disappoint me
21:31.11cog|workScytheBlade1: :P I've had more worthwhile things keeping me busy
21:33.27cog|workScytheBlade1: 3?
21:33.36cog|work<.<
21:33.38cog|work>.>
21:33.55ScytheBlade1haha
21:34.00ScytheBlade1You're going to make me go looking
21:34.07ScytheBlade1Curse effort!
21:34.35cog|workonly two big green dinosaurs named cogwheel there :P
21:34.42ScytheBlade1lol
21:37.04kergothXinhuan: ping
21:37.11Xinhuanpong
21:37.30ScytheBlade1cog|work: also, make the book ship faster please! :)
21:37.48cog|workScytheBlade1: you're telling me!! I still haven't seen a copy
21:37.54kergothXinhuan: i think i finally got a reliable (if disgusting) way to avoid the occasionally wrong total count in lootalert (same thing you saw in xlootmonitor, sometimes the bag update hits before the loot message)
21:38.14Xinhuanare you talking to the right person?
21:38.24Xinhuani have never used Xloot or lootalert
21:38.32ScytheBlade1cog|work: really? most publishers send the author(s) advance copies. Consider my surprised
21:38.36kergother, right. damnit, who wrote that
21:38.40ScytheBlade1*me
21:38.59kergothoh, right, Xuerian
21:39.01kergothsilly X people
21:39.10CrysliThey are the X-men
21:39.18Crysli>.>
21:39.29cog|workScytheBlade1: 10 copies per my contract... never seem to have been sent. Then i told my contact there and he said he'd overnight "some" on tuesday... then today "Sorry - got delayed. Sending today"
21:40.02Xinhuanwhy would you need a copy of the book if you have this channel :D
21:40.04Xinhuanand #wowace
21:40.16Xinhuanand of course, me!
21:40.20Xinhuanand cog
21:40.20ScytheBlade1cog|work: don't fret. Mine (standard USPS shipping) will be here Saturday. Your contract got you copies one day before the general population ;)
21:41.19ScytheBlade1Xinhuan: because mentioning XML in Shirik's presence means DEATH AND DESTRUCTION UPON YOU AND YOUR KIN.
21:41.20IndustrialHow do I make an actionbutton that doesnt use an ActionID?
21:41.28ScytheBlade1Xinhuan: likewise the book covers XML, and I'm really interested in that
21:41.32Xinhuanignore him? :)
21:41.33Industrialhttp://pastey.net/87033
21:41.34Industrialsee line 51
21:41.52cog|workXinhuan: 'cause i wrote it and i'm vain
21:42.08cog|works/wrote it/wrote some of it/
21:42.19Xinhuanhaha, do you get royalties out of it?
21:42.51cog|work... would you ask Zootfizzle if blizzard pays him?
21:42.52sag_ich_nichtw00t
21:42.59sag_ich_nichti did 1550 dps on gorefiend
21:43.00sag_ich_nichtnice
21:43.21Xinhuanhehe
21:43.24Xinhuanwell this is different
21:43.30Zootfizzle~XML
21:43.31purlXML is like violence: if it's not working, you aren't using enough of it.
21:43.32Xinhuanbooks aren't quite the same as employment!
21:43.36ZootfizzleROFL
21:43.42ScytheBlade1lol win
21:43.56Xinhuan~C
21:43.56purli guess c is for maniacs  C code. C code run. Run, code, run. Please?
21:44.59ZootfizzleDo you guys know what the performance implications of using Lua to generate your frames instead of XML are?
21:45.02cog|workXinhuan: you don't seem to know much about publishing then :P
21:45.08Xinhuanindeed i don't
21:45.12Xinhuantell me about it hehe
21:45.15cog|workor at the very least you don't seem to have checked out the book
21:45.16ScytheBlade1Zootfizzle: I doubt anyone looked. But we'd all be curious.
21:45.18cog|work:P
21:45.33Xinhuanwhat should i know?
21:46.26ZootfizzleThe game doesn't need to keep XML files in memory once they've been used for generating frames
21:46.48cog|workXinhuan: an author not getting royalties is the exception...
21:47.15ZootfizzleBut if you use Lua to generate your frames, the game adds that code to your bowl of soup =P
21:47.16Xinhuanreally? i thought its the other way around
21:47.20ScytheBlade1Yeah, but what's the memory difference? And performance (locals, et all)
21:47.31ScytheBlade11kb? 2kb?
21:47.42Xinhuanlike, the publisher buys the rights to publish your book, and pays once, not every book sold
21:47.53ZootfizzleDepends on how many times you're loading the code for generating frames
21:48.17cog|workXinhuan: royalties are to publishing what wages are to employment...
21:48.23Xinhuannot exactly true, Zootfizzle, templates are kept in memory!
21:48.32cog|workit's just how it's done...
21:48.38ZootfizzleXinhuan: Are the files kept in memory? =P
21:48.47cog|workanything else is unusual
21:48.48Xinhuannot really cog, as far as i know, its the process of writing new books that generates new cash income
21:49.10cog|worksounds like you're confusing advances with one-time payments
21:49.12Xinhuanotherwise one book could potentially sustain the remainder of your life forever
21:49.21cog|workXinhuan: yes, yes it could
21:49.28cog|workthat's the whole point of royalties and copyright
21:49.40cog|workto have a monopoly on your work for the duration
21:49.55ZootfizzleYou guys usually seem to be about making things as optimized as possible :P
21:49.55Xinhuani don't know how it works zoot, how does it keep the xml templates in memory? :)
21:50.05ScytheBlade1If nothing else, that helps me with my decision to write the GUI to this in XML
21:50.06cog|workZootfizzle: no that's #wowace
21:50.08cog|work:P
21:50.09ScytheBlade1Or rather, reaffirms is
21:50.30Xinhuanwell, there's very little reason to write inefficient code
21:50.57ZootfizzleROFL
21:51.02ZootfizzleUh, okay ;)
21:51.17Xinhuanone of these few reasons are only if the "more efficient code" becomes very unreadable/maintainable ;p
21:51.43ZootfizzleThat's not a little reason.
21:51.46ScytheBlade1Zootfizzle: nah, we only care about the trivial things. You know, x^.5 and whatnot
21:51.50ScytheBlade1;)
21:52.23sag_ich_nichti say we bribe Zootfizzle into letting us write our addons in ASM
21:52.28sag_ich_nichtjust so we can optimize them more.
21:52.43wereHamsterwhich assembler? x86 or lua assembler?
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21:53.11sag_ich_nichtx86 of course
21:53.28Xinhuanby the way, my wow.exe still hangs about 50% of the time when i alt-f4
21:53.35Xinhuanis that getting fixed in 2.4.2? :)
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21:53.59sag_ich_nichtXinhuan same here :P
21:54.04sag_ich_nichtand/or crashes
21:54.10Xinhuandoesn't really have to be alt-f4... exiting by logging out, etc at login screen, still hangs it on exit
21:54.11ZootfizzleYou've overwhelmed me with technical details, making it extremely easy to know exactly what you're talking about. Indeed, I even remember the fix I implemented specifically for that problem!
21:54.34sag_ich_nichtit also crashes on alt+tab a lot >.>
21:54.57Xinhuanthe patch notes said something about a sound card engine issue which was the cause of the hang in 2.4.1!
21:55.00Xinhuanbut it still hangs
21:55.10sag_ich_nichtwe should get hortus in here
21:55.35durcynyes, then more people could ask him annoying questions
21:55.40wereHamsterhe isn't really a developer, or is he?
21:56.15sag_ich_nichtthere is a developer note left over in one of the spell descriptions of the trashmobs to gorefiend
21:56.27sag_ich_nichti think in the absorb magic spell
21:57.39Xinhuani think anyone that writes code can rightfully be called a developer ;d
21:57.55cog|workXinhuan: publishing contracts generally go something like: Publisher pays an advance for the author to write the book. Publisher then sells the book and puts the author's royalties towards the advance. Once the advance is paid off, all royalties due to the author go directly to the author. It's very rare to find an arrangement that doesn't fit that in a general sense
21:57.56PolarinaWait, which was it again? Creating frames with Lua or XML, which is faster (Memory and CPU wise)?
21:58.19Xinhuanok cog, i'll trust you on that one :)
21:58.36XinhuanPolarina, i don't think there is any conclusive tests on that one
21:58.38cog|workyou should :P my wife was the royalty clerk at O'Reilly for a year and a half :P
21:58.51PolarinaXinhuan: That's bad...
21:58.53Xinhuanif you do it with lua, its one less (xml) file to read!
21:58.58Xinhuanand that in itself is faster
21:59.03Xinhuansince file access is slow?
21:59.25Cryslifree books are good
21:59.33PolarinaXinhuan: In most cases, these files are cached in memory so there's no disk I/O needed.
21:59.57Zoot|DNDXinhuan: I don't know about your hang. If you're really experiencing one on that regular of a basis, it makes me extremely dubious that it's a general WoW issue. It's probably related to your hardware. If you're interested in getting that kind of thing fixed, you should post on the Bug Report forums.
22:00.01Zoot|DNDI'm not QA =)
22:00.05wereHamsterdisk I/O is needed the first time you read the files though..
22:00.14PolarinaOf course.
22:00.36Xinhuanunfortunately, its not reliably reproducable :(
22:00.53Zoot|DNDIf you're willing to tell me, you should be willing to post on the forums.
22:01.15sag_ich_nichtto be honest zoot, the forums as well as the email support are terrible
22:01.19Xinhuani only asked if its getting fixed hehe
22:01.30sag_ich_nichti'm STILL waiting for a reply i was promised six months ago from european QA
22:01.32Xinhuani.e i'm querying if blizzard has found the issue
22:01.36sag_ich_nichtand yes i WROTE them reminder emails
22:01.37sag_ich_nicht-.-
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22:02.17Xinhuani suppose not heh
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22:02.40Zoot|DNDXinhuan: Like I said, I'm not QA. I rarely have the ability to keep track of bugs that we fix, especially when they're not related to the UI. I understand you were just asking, and I'm not upset, I'm just saying, if you really care, ask on the forums, 'cause you're more likely to get an answer =)
22:02.51Xinhuanok
22:03.18Xinhuanout of curiosity, does your jobscope cover anything that isn't UI related?
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22:03.45PolarinaXinhuan: Can't you see? Zootfizzle is toggled DND.
22:03.59Xinhuan~_~
22:04.00purl:/
22:09.07sag_ich_nichtyou've upset purl Xinhuan :(
22:09.10sag_ich_nicht~lart Xinhuan
22:09.10purloffers Xinhuan some herring
22:09.20sag_ich_nichthow the hell is that a lart?
22:09.21sag_ich_nicht~lart Xinhuan
22:09.21purlbreaks out the Hoover and sucks up Xinhuan
22:09.25sag_ich_nichtbetter.
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22:11.19Xinhuan~dict herring
22:11.35Xinhuan~dict 2 herring
22:11.45Xinhuanright
22:14.02wereHamsterfish is healthy food :P
22:14.16Xinhuanwonder who came up with the "red herring" term
22:15.54sag_ich_nicht~dict red herring
22:16.30sag_ich_nichtmeh
22:16.34sag_ich_nichtlemme quote wikipedia:
22:16.35sag_ich_nicht"The term "red herring" originates from the tradition whereby young hunting dogs in Britain were trained to follow a scent with the use of a "red" (salted and smoked) herring (see kipper). This pungent fish would be dragged across a trail until the puppy learned to follow the scent. Later, when the dog was being trained to follow the faint odor of a fox or a badger, the trainer would drag a red herring (which has a much stronger odor) across the ani
22:17.12Xinhuanok so the "red" really just means "salted and smoked"
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22:18.53NightHawkTheSanenow.. THIS is ascii art... http://nedbatchelder.com/blog/200805/css_homer_animated.html
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22:20.47KasoNightHawkTheSane, wow thats crazy
22:20.58Xinhuanwhoa NightHawkTheSane
22:25.13alestaneHonestly I'm getting a little tired of this Multiboxing discussion, but at least it's stayed civil.
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22:59.55KeiasWay to break the silence
23:02.22LopeppeppyI love snack time, don't you?
23:03.46KeiasNot when harmless crickets are involved!
23:04.05LopeppeppyWho says they are harmless?
23:04.32zenzelezzI wouldn't consider crickets snacks
23:04.50LopeppeppyWell, they aren't dinner because I already had dinner.
23:05.54KeiasDessert then?
23:05.57Xinhuanlizards are harmless, discuss
23:06.09KeiasLizards are sneaky.
23:06.21KeiasMy brother had one when I was younger.  It used to escape like daily.
23:06.29alestaneBare Naked Ladies: Neither bare-naked, nor ladies. Discuss.
23:07.11zenzelezzstupid topics: people trying to be funny after a long period of silence
23:07.31zenzelezz(and yes, I'm one of them)
23:08.22alestaneMostly, that just floats to the top whenever someone uses that "discuss" sort of phrase.
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23:17.08Tullernew notepad++ yay
23:18.21zenzelezzbut you can't use it, remember, the author took a political stand!
23:19.55MentalPowerhuh?
23:20.28zenzelezz"Boycott Beijing 2008". Quite a lot of people (mostly Chinese, but some western) took great offense from this
23:20.47zenzelezzto the point where he created a "Boycott Notepad++ here" forum to move all the hate threads to
23:21.04Cryslilolz
23:21.27zenzelezza lot of people seemed to find to find it horrendously wrong that a site hosted at SourceForge had a political opinion
23:21.34CrysliI'll keep on using Notepad++
23:21.53Tullerthe only thing I really wish notepad had was better themeing
23:22.06zenzelezzI don't give a damn about the author's political views as long as I like the software :-)
23:22.43Tullerbecause damn it, I need a good color setting :P
23:23.00zenzelezzthemeing how, the stylers?
23:23.04Crysli~woot
23:23.05purl\o/
23:23.16Tullerright
23:23.29nevcairielthe stupid functionlist plugin in notepad++ needs some love, it breaks all the time :(
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23:23.40TullerI never use it, so hah :P
23:23.49zenzelezzit would be nice, yeah
23:23.59nevcairieli really like the feature for navigating in source files
23:24.00zenzelezzpersonally I'm in the middle of writing a calltip plugin for it
23:24.08nevcairielits not working at all for my C files
23:25.14TullerI actually do not use a single plugin for notepad++ that I'm aware of
23:27.53GuillotineSciTe > Notepad++
23:28.05nevcairielnah
23:28.08zenzelezzmatter of opinion
23:28.18GuillotineIt is
23:28.24Guillotinebut since my opinion is always right
23:28.36Tullernotepad++ is scite, well scintilla :P
23:28.36nevcairielits both scintilla
23:29.04GuillotineBut each are more than just scintilla :P
23:29.06Tullerthey both also have bad icons
23:29.12CrysliOh, by the way, since I'm getting a Mac next week I'm going to need a new text editor. Any suggestions?
23:29.17GuillotineLinux
23:29.19nevcairieltextmate
23:29.42NechcknThe talk of Notepad++ reminded me of  http://www.notepad.org/  =)
23:30.12Cryslinevcairiel: Looks very nice. Thanks :)
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23:35.59sag_ich_nichtokay
23:36.42sag_ich_nichtthe fact that ruby on rails now takes longer than it takes me to compile the 2.6 kernel somehow tells me that it's going to suck.
23:37.21Tulleri've not really "gotten" ruby yet
23:37.36Tullerbut mainly because I've not done any web development with it, I think
23:38.11sag_ich_nichti think ruby on rails smells.
23:38.17sag_ich_nichti'm not using it myself
23:38.32sag_ich_nichti just had to install it on a machine for one of the devs working on that machine
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