| 00:00.24 | hillie | alestane: what is that? |
| 00:00.41 | Gotai | I still think you should just OpenAllBags() OpenBackpack() if all you want is keep the backpack open at all times. Making this way too complicated. |
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| 00:01.08 | MentalPower | hillie: default copyright means "All Rights Reserved" |
| 00:01.15 | Cairenn | hillie: what page, exactly, are you looking at? |
| 00:01.19 | End | http://www.copyright.gov/title17/ |
| 00:01.20 | End | :P |
| 00:01.20 | alestane | If you use it without the permission of the copyright holder, you could be liable, especially if your unlicensed use has harmed the copyright holder materially. |
| 00:02.00 | End | if you are outside of the US, the Berne Conventions probably apply as well |
| 00:02.17 | alestane | But FocusFrame has survived for over a year now without being harassed by Blizzard, and that's the most clearly derivative addon I know. |
| 00:02.23 | art3mis | although really, the only time it would matter is if you tried to sell it |
| 00:02.34 | art3mis | and if you're selling ana ddon you need to diarbff |
| 00:02.43 | art3mis | ;) |
| 00:03.22 | hillie | diarbff? |
| 00:03.34 | Cairenn | die in a really big fucking fire |
| 00:03.43 | hillie | lol |
| 00:03.50 | art3mis | ;) |
| 00:03.50 | Cairenn | (I presume) |
| 00:03.51 | hillie | yeah.. |
| 00:03.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: lol well done |
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| 00:04.21 | hillie | the fact that all addons are free is something i would not wanna ever jeopardize |
| 00:04.29 | hillie | diarbff may even be too gentle |
| 00:04.32 | Cairenn | but they don't have to be |
| 00:04.46 | Kaso | not all addons are free unfortuntatly |
| 00:04.54 | art3mis | heh look how well that worked for RDX ;P |
| 00:04.58 | hillie | really? |
| 00:05.38 | Xuerian | A lawyer attempted to change the majority, once |
| 00:05.44 | alestane | Carbonite. |
| 00:06.01 | art3mis | lies |
| 00:06.04 | Kirov | Carbonite / RDX are the best known ones (Carbonite being the new hot topic one) |
| 00:06.11 | art3mis | lawyers do nothing beneficial |
| 00:06.16 | Xuerian | s/speak/speech/ |
| 00:06.25 | art3mis | if they it's either by accident OR they arent really lawyers anymore |
| 00:06.28 | Kirov | art3mis - sure they do... oh, you mean for people other then themselves |
| 00:06.30 | art3mis | err if they did |
| 00:07.17 | hillie | "one google-like map" .. google should sue! |
| 00:07.32 | alestane | art3mis: don't say that to kamdis' face. |
| 00:07.39 | art3mis | im a clumsy dumbass who stepped on a steam grate in nyc with highheels and twisted my ankle gibbor me millions of dollars in anguish and suffering |
| 00:07.51 | art3mis | us legal system "sure thing hold on a sec.... there ya go" |
| 00:07.55 | Kaso | I think lawyer hatred goes a little far, we cant have fair trial without lawyers, and a socitiy without fair trial is not one i want to be part of |
| 00:08.16 | hillie | *reading Carbonite page on Curse* .. yeah i'm getting that coz we all know that a map is really the true secret to dominating your opponents in BG |
| 00:08.21 | Xuerian | Can't have a fair trial? One plaintiff, one defendant, one judge, one jury |
| 00:08.23 | Xuerian | What are we missing |
| 00:08.37 | art3mis | xeur: leagal fees |
| 00:08.41 | Kirov | Kaso - I think the issue is at this point we can't have a fair trial with lawyers. |
| 00:08.41 | End | Muppets? |
| 00:08.42 | Xuerian | Eeeexactly |
| 00:08.47 | art3mis | oh and muppets |
| 00:08.58 | KanadiaN | anyone know what the BackPack's itemID is? |
| 00:09.11 | Kaso | forcing self defending puts people who arent as intellegent at a disadvantage |
| 00:09.13 | widgertick | It's a mystery =P |
| 00:09.19 | widgertick | KanadiaN: It's not an item. |
| 00:09.36 | alestane | It has an inventory slot, though, I think. |
| 00:09.50 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: a special one |
| 00:09.59 | Kaso | I'd be willing to say that only court appointed lawyers should be allowed, no high priced lawyers allowing rich people to buy freedom |
| 00:10.04 | hillie | Gotai: ok i'm convinced i'll do the OpenAllBags(); OpenBackpack(); thing |
| 00:10.09 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: PutItemInBackpack() and PutItemInBag() |
| 00:10.13 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: so you handle them differently |
| 00:10.22 | ScytheBlade1 | (iirc) |
| 00:10.22 | hillie | i looked at the OpenBackpack() in the framexml |
| 00:10.48 | widgertick | I'd rather deal with the issue of prosecutors being rated poorly for losing cases. |
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| 00:11.02 | End | ugh, now I remember why I hate engineering |
| 00:11.04 | lagger | how does carbonite manage to do subscriptions |
| 00:11.08 | Kirov | http://wow.curse.com/wikia/Portal:Main ?! |
| 00:11.08 | widgertick | It's natural for people to be innocent sometimes. |
| 00:11.14 | alestane | Since our legal system is built around allowing a maximum degree of personal freedom, but still maintaining fairness, the code of law and precedent has gotten too complex for anyone to navigate without devoting themselves to following it full-time. |
| 00:11.44 | Xuerian | kirov: It's a conspiracy.. |
| 00:12.33 | MentalPower | Kirov: WoWDB uses WoWWiki for item descriptions and general color, Curse struck a deal with wikia to use that content |
| 00:13.25 | Malgayne | Curse and wikia seem to have some sort of relationship, though the content on WoWWiki is publicly available to be rehosted anywhere, as long as it's credited properly |
| 00:13.41 | Kirov | MentalPower - sure ... but how did I get redirected to a broken curse mirror of the wiki when I went to wowwiki.com? |
| 00:14.03 | Malgayne | You got redirected from wowwiki.com? |
| 00:14.07 | Kirov | aye |
| 00:14.11 | Kirov | Trying to find how |
| 00:14.15 | Malgayne | Now THAT's WEIRD |
| 00:14.18 | Malgayne | not happening to me |
| 00:14.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Kirov: try the back button ;) |
| 00:14.45 | Cairenn | that shouldn't be happening |
| 00:14.57 | Kirov | ScytheBlade1 - doesn't work, as I didn't visit a page before it went to that site. |
| 00:15.01 | ScytheBlade1 | ah |
| 00:15.16 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 00:15.41 | Kaso | Kirov what happens when you nslookup wowwiki.com ? |
| 00:16.37 | Kirov | It doesn't happen anymore, not sure what happened. |
| 00:16.56 | Kirov | Kaso - looks correct |
| 00:17.08 | Kaso | hmm, odd |
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| 00:17.44 | Cairenn | wb Peppy |
| 00:17.47 | Kirkburn|sleep | shwaa? |
| 00:17.57 | Cairenn | nm, seems Kirov was just failing |
| 00:18.04 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 00:18.09 | ScytheBlade1 | ~fail Kirov |
| 00:18.09 | purl | You suck at everything in life, Kirov. I hate you because you fail. |
| 00:18.10 | Kirkburn|sleep | lol |
| 00:18.19 | ScytheBlade1 | (I just tried to tab-complete ~fail. Sigh.) |
| 00:18.28 | Kirov | Kirkburn|sleep - I went to wowwiki.com and got redirected to http://wow.curse.com/wikia/Portal:Main |
| 00:18.28 | Cairenn | lol ScytheBlade1 |
| 00:18.39 | Kirkburn|sleep | Kirov, yeah, that really shouldn't happen |
| 00:18.54 | Kirov | It happened once, and am unable to repro |
| 00:19.35 | Kirkburn|sleep | Yes, people can rehost wowwiki content within the terms of the license, but Curse's thing is actually showing it directly from us on the site. There was also an ad-related thing, but that has ended. |
| 00:19.46 | Kirkburn|sleep | Kirov, if you find out how, please do ping me |
| 00:19.50 | Kirkburn|sleep | I'll bring it up tomorrow |
| 00:19.57 | Kirov | will do |
| 00:19.59 | Lopeppeppy | Bloody wireless. *grrr* Heya, Cairenn? |
| 00:20.02 | Kirkburn|sleep | It happened just a few mins ago? |
| 00:20.23 | Kirov | ~10 minutes ago |
| 00:20.26 | Kirkburn|sleep | okies |
| 00:20.48 | Kirkburn|sleep | (v unlikely to have been the techs fiddling, since they're in Poland) |
| 00:21.46 | ScytheBlade1 | epic win: http://worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/ssotd/#latest |
| 00:21.58 | widgertick | Maybe the techs have been overrun by rebels attempting to return the Solidarity movement to power! |
| 00:22.03 | widgertick | They're taking out our wikis first! |
| 00:22.05 | widgertick | NOOO! |
| 00:22.11 | Sixen | lawl@sbo |
| 00:22.11 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 00:22.12 | Kirkburn|sleep | lol |
| 00:22.19 | ScytheBlade1 | The day the wiki dies is the day that WoW dies! |
| 00:22.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Or at least we do |
| 00:22.30 | ScytheBlade1 | "Just go check the wi-- oh right" |
| 00:22.31 | ScytheBlade1 | "Uh" |
| 00:22.36 | Kirkburn|sleep | Never! |
| 00:22.42 | Kirkburn|sleep | Besides, we'll have Warcraft IV :) |
| 00:22.46 | hillie | MentalPower: so what's up with that StopTheSpam addon you mentioned? |
| 00:22.47 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 00:22.56 | Adys | Cairenn, ya? |
| 00:23.10 | Lopeppeppy | Rebels! |
| 00:23.12 | Kirkburn|sleep | Adys, don't worry 'bout it |
| 00:23.13 | Cairenn | Adys: lol, already dealt with sweetie, is okay, go back to sleep |
| 00:23.21 | Adys | lol |
| 00:23.22 | MentalPower | hillie: it kills the message most addons spam when they're loading |
| 00:23.31 | widgertick | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alganon |
| 00:23.32 | hillie | ah |
| 00:23.38 | Kirkburn|sleep | ta for the ping, but now I really will go to bed :P |
| 00:23.47 | hillie | so i guess i need to register events in OnLoad before they will trigger OnEvent ? |
| 00:23.49 | Kirkburn|sleep | Yet more upgrades tomorrow :) |
| 00:24.12 | Kirkburn|sleep | How did you know I have a blankie? :O |
| 00:24.15 | Lopeppeppy | Sleep well. |
| 00:24.44 | Kirkburn|sleep | Well, I do have photos of me with a blankie :P |
| 00:25.01 | Kirov | hillie - ye |
| 00:25.04 | Kirkburn|sleep | Toodles |
| 00:25.24 | hillie | what's the best place to find out what possible events can be hooked? |
| 00:25.51 | Kirov | wowwiki.com |
| 00:26.10 | hillie | Kirov: the disassembled list? |
| 00:26.34 | Cairenn | Kirkburn|sleep: I know all, have you forgotten? |
| 00:27.09 | Gotai | hillie: No, http://wowwiki.com/Events_%28API%29 |
| 00:27.29 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 00:27.33 | Cairenn | sweet dreams |
| 00:31.05 | Jinivus | Cyaz all |
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| 00:33.07 | hillie | k |
| 00:33.19 | oreth | what happened to the old place? |
| 00:35.06 | Kirov | #wowi-lounge ? |
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| 00:35.45 | oreth | yeah |
| 00:35.52 | Lopeppeppy | Redecorated |
| 00:35.57 | Corrodias | redacted |
| 00:36.07 | oreth | redispensorated? |
| 00:36.15 | Corrodias | reconstituted |
| 00:36.15 | Kirov | renamed :p |
| 00:36.28 | Corrodias | rewired |
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| 00:36.47 | widgertick | reloaded? |
| 00:36.55 | Lopeppeppy | Rescued |
| 00:37.26 | Corrodias | (last scued in september of 2005) |
| 00:37.45 | Kirov | If pro and con are opposites, what's the opposite of congress? |
| 00:37.53 | Lopeppeppy | ha ha ha |
| 00:37.57 | oreth | ... |
| 00:38.08 | Corrodias | (haha) not from the same language, i fear |
| 00:40.34 | hillie | is it ok to lavishly use tables if they are local ? |
| 00:41.01 | AnduinLothar | depends on your version of 'ok' and 'lavish' |
| 00:42.17 | KanadiaN | if i set a local befor a if block can i change it in the if block? and it remain changed after the if block |
| 00:42.22 | hillie | like if i want one particular action to happen when several events trigger |
| 00:42.53 | hillie | like a list of events that would trigger the action.. basically then have code that looks through the list |
| 00:43.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay all. Let's say I've got a list of ~40k strings. What would the fastest way be of searching through them? I can store them in any way I please, I just need to do it so that searching doesn't eat the CPU. |
| 00:43.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Substring matching required :( |
| 00:44.38 | MentalPower | lucene? |
| 00:45.08 | Kaso | Hash every possible substring then throw them all into a giant hash table |
| 00:45.08 | ScytheBlade1 | In WoW :) |
| 00:45.16 | Kaso | Mmm high memory usage |
| 00:45.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, want to keep that down. |
| 00:46.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Pretty sure people would get pissy if I started using 300MB of RAM. |
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| 00:50.36 | Tuller | so someone who's a wowi admin: can you stick sellfish into the tooltip category, and bongos3 into the actionbar category? |
| 00:51.14 | Tuller | please, even :) |
| 00:52.04 | Tuller | I also wonder if the ace category still needs to exist |
| 01:00.04 | NightHawkTheSane | i bet if it doesn't someone will bitch. |
| 01:00.28 | hillie | i'm tryin to do a for x in table ... and i'm getting "attempt to call a table value" |
| 01:00.53 | ScytheBlade1 | hillie: your table has a table inside of it |
| 01:01.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Can anyone here offer some advice for a lowish-level paladin protection spec? |
| 01:01.19 | hillie | um, ok? here's the line that creates it: local openEvents = { "PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD", "BANK_OPEN" }; |
| 01:01.42 | hillie | i know bank_open prolly isn't correct but i'm just tryin to see if i can get the code to work for PEW |
| 01:01.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Erm, can you pastey the code that is throwing the error? |
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| 01:03.13 | hillie | http://svn.alexquintana.com/PersistentBackpack/trunk/AlexBags/AlexBags.lua |
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| 01:04.08 | ScytheBlade1 | That's great, but that also doesn't tell us where the error is |
| 01:04.25 | hillie | ScytheBlade1: for x in openEvents do |
| 01:04.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Ha |
| 01:04.36 | hillie | that's what the error msg says in WoW.. line 22 |
| 01:04.37 | ScytheBlade1 | That explains it |
| 01:04.52 | ScytheBlade1 | You can't call a table. Plain and simple. (SHUT UP YOU OTHER PEOPLE. :)) |
| 01:05.08 | ScytheBlade1 | hillie: you want 'for key, value in pairs(openEvents) do' |
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| 01:05.42 | ScytheBlade1 | hillie: also, reading the PIL section on tables would be of great use to you. |
| 01:05.54 | Kirov | hillie - the line you wrote is correct for 5.0, but not 5.1 |
| 01:05.57 | hillie | pil? |
| 01:06.04 | Kirov | (Lua 5.0 / 5.1) |
| 01:06.04 | ScytheBlade1 | ~pil |
| 01:06.05 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 01:06.42 | ScytheBlade1 | also known as |
| 01:06.44 | ScytheBlade1 | "How to lua" |
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| 01:07.07 | hillie | k then i'm gonna get that |
| 01:07.13 | ScytheBlade1 | It's all online |
| 01:07.57 | hillie | yea but kirov said mentioned 5.1 and purl said that version of the book is only in print |
| 01:08.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Don't worry too much about it |
| 01:08.22 | ScytheBlade1 | You're right, but the proper methods for 5.1 related to tables are covered in the online version |
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| 01:09.17 | hillie | i saw this before actually. |
| 01:11.53 | hillie | ScytheBlade1: i don't see how this helps.. i see the section on arrays.. it tells all about how to create them, and then how to create them using a for loop |
| 01:12.31 | hillie | but nothing on iterating through values |
| 01:12.38 | hillie | at least in that section |
| 01:13.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm, where did that go. |
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| 01:14.22 | ScytheBlade1 | So I can't find it, and I'm lazy. You want to use 'for key, value in pairs(table) do' |
| 01:14.44 | ScytheBlade1 | That will loop through 'table' and return key, value pairs (in correspinding key, value variables) |
| 01:14.59 | hillie | and then i want to just check against the value variable? |
| 01:15.18 | ScytheBlade1 | lau> table = { "a", "b", "c"} for key, value in pairs(table) do print(key..":"..value) end |
| 01:15.21 | hillie | coz key would be the index, and well.. yeah.. is that right? |
| 01:15.24 | ScytheBlade1 | lua> table = { "a", "b", "c"} for key, value in pairs(table) do print(key..":"..value) end |
| 01:15.25 | lua_bot | ScytheBlade1: 1:a, 2:b, 3:c |
| 01:15.32 | hillie | k |
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| 01:16.13 | hillie | lua> print "nifty" |
| 01:16.13 | lua_bot | hillie: nifty |
| 01:16.31 | Kirov | hillie - if you're using a hash table and want to find if a key exists you can just do tablename[keyname] |
| 01:16.40 | hillie | k |
| 01:16.50 | hillie | pretty cool. :) |
| 01:17.18 | hillie | so what's the deal with the wow programming book and the may 2008 publishing date listed on amazon? .. i wanna get the book but i wanna get the latest version |
| 01:17.29 | ScytheBlade1 | It's shipping now |
| 01:18.54 | MentalPower | its shipping now |
| 01:18.54 | Cairenn | that's the first release of it |
| 01:19.00 | MentalPower | and I'm *really* slow |
| 01:19.02 | Cairenn | it's a brand new book |
| 01:19.23 | ScytheBlade1 | lol yes you are |
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| 01:19.42 | hillie | oh ok. |
| 01:20.17 | hillie | what do you mean slow? |
| 01:20.41 | Kaso | he said the same thing as ScytheBlade1, just 74 seconds later |
| 01:20.54 | Kaso | and with less punctuation and capital letters |
| 01:21.09 | hillie | oh |
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| 01:26.42 | Cairenn | pick a name! |
| 01:26.48 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 01:27.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Please, heh |
| 01:28.12 | hi11ie | heh. yea.. i'm not used to irc'ing on servers with nickservs.. |
| 01:29.57 | hi11ie | neither is my script :) |
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| 01:33.01 | Tuller | Cairenn: can you or another wowi admin move SellFish to the tooltips category, and Bongos3 to the actionbars category for me please? :) |
| 01:33.12 | Sh1r1k | yup |
| 01:33.26 | Tuller | evil evil numbers |
| 01:33.26 | Sh1r1k | except I'm not an admin |
| 01:33.30 | Tuller | 1 is the lonliestnumber |
| 01:33.37 | Tuller | so shirik is lonely |
| 01:33.43 | Sh1r1k | twice as lonely :( |
| 01:33.43 | Cairenn | links, please |
| 01:33.58 | Sh1r1k | too late, Cairenn |
| 01:34.14 | hi11ie | ScytheBlade1: that key/value thing worked .. thanks :) |
| 01:34.23 | Tuller | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7035-SellFish.html |
| 01:34.30 | Tuller | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8419-Bongos3.html |
| 01:34.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup. Be sure to read the pil in detail, in all truth. It is a great resource. |
| 01:34.51 | Shaktar | tuller are u bongo's author? could i ask u a q? |
| 01:34.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Once you understand most of how lua works, the reference manual is also invaluable |
| 01:34.58 | KanadiaN | GetItemInfo() can get how many time I item can stack. can i get it to tell me how many there is? |
| 01:35.12 | Tuller | Shaktar: sure |
| 01:35.28 | Sh1r1k | Tuller: "Data Mods" isn't appropriate for SellFish? |
| 01:35.32 | Sh1r1k | Or did Cairenn beat me to that one? |
| 01:35.47 | Cairenn | newp |
| 01:35.52 | Tuller | tooltip is more appropiate :P |
| 01:36.01 | hi11ie | yea. i love reference manuals |
| 01:36.10 | Shirik | fair enough |
| 01:36.11 | Tuller | I don't remember the category existing back when I initially added the thing to the website |
| 01:36.13 | hi11ie | usually it's all i ever use |
| 01:36.20 | Shirik | there you go |
| 01:36.27 | Shaktar | well i wrote an action bar mod as well.. using standard action bar stuff... and i'm having a bit of trouble with showgrid... to show buttons that don't have actions... do you know of an easy standard way to show buttons that don't have actions without writing a whole bunch of code? |
| 01:36.33 | Tuller | thank you :) |
| 01:36.50 | Tuller | in 2.4.2 |
| 01:36.58 | Tuller | button:SetAttribute('showgrid', 1) |
| 01:37.06 | Shaktar | ah... ty very much! |
| 01:37.20 | Tuller | in 2.4, button.showgrid = button.showgrid + 1, but I think it would taint |
| 01:37.21 | Shaktar | u made my day |
| 01:37.31 | Shaktar | if that indeed works |
| 01:37.40 | Tuller | alternatively |
| 01:37.49 | Tuller | button:SetAttribute('showstates', '*') |
| 01:37.54 | Tuller | will show a button in all states |
| 01:38.52 | Shaktar | well this action bar mod supports states, so would either alt work or just the second? |
| 01:41.18 | Tuller | the 2.4.2 method will only work in 2.4.2, I use the showstates method |
| 01:41.36 | Tuller | well, work only in 2.4.2, as well as only work if you use the standard actionbar functions |
| 01:41.54 | Shaktar | ya i just use standard actionbarfunctions |
| 01:42.37 | Shaktar | ty for the help |
| 01:42.43 | Shaktar | (trying it now) |
| 01:45.02 | hi11ie | is there an event for when the main menu closes? (escape menu) .. i can't find it on the wowwiki events page |
| 01:45.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Probably not |
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| 01:46.56 | Shirik | You know what I love? |
| 01:47.04 | Corrodias | Adaptoids |
| 01:47.12 | Shirik | HTTPS servers with sensitive personal information where you can see in the GET header your email address, login name and password |
| 01:47.26 | Shirik | (that is, in the URL) |
| 01:47.39 | MentalPower | Shirik: Gmail much? |
| 01:47.51 | hi11ie | Shirik: i love sites that auto-email users their passwords in plain text just as much |
| 01:48.03 | hi11ie | bonus points for doing it every x days |
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| 01:48.23 | Shirik | MentalPower: I don't see that on gmail |
| 01:48.39 | Shirik | hi11ie: I can't stand sites that have reversible encryption in the first place |
| 01:49.06 | Shirik | (or no encryption) |
| 01:49.08 | MentalPower | https://www.google.com/accounts/ServiceLoginAuth?ltmpl=yj_wsad<mplcache=2&continue=https://mail.google.com/mail/?&service=mail&rm=false<mpl=yj_wsad&hl=en&Email=<fullEmail>&Passwd=<password>&rmShown=1&null=Sign+in |
| 01:49.19 | Shirik | oh wow |
| 01:49.28 | hi11ie | but it's not their fault. they don't teach security in dreamweaver class |
| 01:49.32 | Shirik | at least that's just email |
| 01:49.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Technically you can use a google account for google checkout |
| 01:49.52 | ScytheBlade1 | So, :) |
| 01:50.12 | MentalPower | yeah, I won't ever use google checkout |
| 01:50.13 | Shirik | http://online.erau.edu/services/student/transcripts.hperl?step=show;transcript_type=UG;email_results=%20;colleague=...;email_address=...;pin=...;submit=Get%20Transcript%20-%3E |
| 01:50.16 | Shirik | ^ that's not cool |
| 01:50.28 | MentalPower | thats not even https... |
| 01:50.29 | ScytheBlade1 | lol that is not at all cool |
| 01:50.31 | hi11ie | Shirik: it's still sent around to countless servers.. and even worse, wonder how many users reply to those e-mails that go to actual people who then have their passwords if they don't change the quoted text |
| 01:50.37 | Shirik | oh wow |
| 01:50.39 | Shirik | it isn't https |
| 01:50.54 | Shirik | I thought it was |
| 01:50.54 | Shirik | wtf |
| 01:50.59 | MentalPower | lol |
| 01:51.39 | hi11ie | that is pretty bad. you forgot to mention it was a university. |
| 01:51.50 | Shirik | well I said "sensitive personal information" :P |
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| 02:01.41 | Dolby | lol sorry MentalPower, thought you would have auto join |
| 02:02.06 | MentalPower | blame ChatZilla not telling me |
| 02:02.32 | kd3 | lol at the thread necro in UI |
| 02:02.55 | MentalPower | actually, I'll re-enable it |
| 02:03.16 | MentalPower | auto-rejoin since I'm generally only kicked for comedic purposes :P |
| 02:03.26 | ScytheBlade1 | lol indeed |
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| 02:05.48 | WobWork | =\ |
| 02:06.08 | WobWork | I'm finding myself using lua constructs at work now |
| 02:06.10 | WobWork | >< |
| 02:07.31 | MentalPower | WobWork: welcome to the club |
| 02:07.55 | MentalPower | the next step is to think about embedding Lua into work-apps :) |
| 02:08.15 | WobWork | I'm halfway there =P |
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| 02:21.37 | Kaso | I've often dreamt of a php-like dynamic web page language based on lua |
| 02:21.59 | Kaso | for no purpose other than, the fact you could make it |
| 02:23.46 | Dolby | b4youdie |
| 02:23.57 | Dolby | you live |
| 02:24.23 | cogwheel | Kaso: google kepler |
| 02:24.32 | ckknight | kepler, that's the name |
| 02:24.50 | Kaso | Hah awesome |
| 02:24.53 | ckknight | thought it was Kaspersky for some reason |
| 02:25.01 | Kaso | my dream come true |
| 02:25.17 | ckknight | Kaso: I think clad|sleep was doing something with Kepler |
| 02:25.23 | cogwheel | we're using it for the book's companion site :) |
| 02:25.42 | ckknight | right |
| 02:26.20 | Kaso | i love it <3 |
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| 02:35.49 | hi11ie | ScytheBlade1: is there a way to traverse two tables with one for loop? |
| 02:37.15 | ckknight | there is a way |
| 02:37.18 | ckknight | with hax |
| 02:37.24 | ckknight | you want to traverse in parallel? |
| 02:37.25 | ckknight | or what? |
| 02:39.01 | Shaktar | can anyone tell me if the following statement might cause problems: button:HookScript('OnAttributeChanged', ActionButton_UpdateFlash) |
| 02:39.26 | Iriel | It may introduce taint into the action button path |
| 02:39.38 | Iriel | You'd have to look at what goes on in ActionButton_UpdateFlash |
| 02:40.18 | Shaktar | the reason i ask is 2.4.2 seems to have fixed the showgrid taint problem but there is still a flashing update problem |
| 02:41.39 | Shaktar | in that actions that are flashing red or outlined in yellow continue to do so when the state changes (and a button showing an empty action is shown in place of a flashing action button) |
| 02:41.55 | Shaktar | so i get empty flashing red buttons sometimes when the state changes |
| 02:42.29 | Shaktar | i guess i could test it out and see if i get an "action blocked" error |
| 02:43.22 | hi11ie | ckknight: in sequence. |
| 02:43.44 | ckknight | hi11ie: mmm... not sure what you mean, but anything's possible |
| 02:43.53 | ckknight | could you give an example of what you want to accomplish? |
| 02:43.54 | hi11ie | ckknight: basically there's two tables, and in each for loop the code is exactly the same |
| 02:44.09 | ckknight | oh |
| 02:44.10 | ckknight | hrm. |
| 02:44.11 | Iriel | why not make a function containing the for loop, that you pass the table into |
| 02:44.15 | Iriel | and call it twice |
| 02:44.20 | ckknight | yea, that'd be clean |
| 02:45.02 | hi11ie | true. |
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| 02:50.32 | hi11ie | works. |
| 02:52.38 | ScytheBlade1 | I hate the craft skill API. You can tell it was made before the Trade Skill API |
| 02:52.53 | ScytheBlade1 | It is not pleasing to use :( |
| 02:53.01 | Iriel | it used to be the only API |
| 02:53.10 | ScytheBlade1 | I know |
| 02:53.14 | Iriel | I never really understood why when everything else moved over, Enchanting and Pet Training remained behind |
| 02:53.16 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm glad that trade skill exists now |
| 02:53.26 | Iriel | It has the feel of a "we'll get to it later" |
| 02:53.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, which is why I threw it up on the suggestions list |
| 02:53.59 | ScytheBlade1 | wowwiki.com/API_CraftIsPetTraining |
| 02:54.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Hack much? |
| 02:54.54 | ScytheBlade1 | "If this is true, forget everything you were expecting to know." |
| 02:57.30 | Fisker- | patch tiems in teh us? |
| 02:58.05 | kd3 | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert 's saying "regular maint"... we'll know if it's a patch in ~8 hours or so |
| 02:58.13 | Fisker- | ;_; |
| 02:58.43 | Fisker- | use your 1337 sources kd3 |
| 03:00.14 | Cairenn | ptr or live? |
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| 03:06.22 | Fisker- | i'm talking live |
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| 03:12.44 | Shirik|zZz | hmmmmmmmm |
| 03:12.57 | Shirik|zZz | when I send someone an email asking for details on what is going to be on the test |
| 03:13.07 | Shirik|zZz | and they respond with a list saying "norton and thevenin voltage" |
| 03:13.16 | Shirik|zZz | I fear that she may not do very well on the test |
| 03:13.31 | Shirik|zZz | (Such a topic doesn't make any sense. Norton/Thevenin equivalent circuit does, but not voltage) |
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| 03:16.54 | Tem | Norton Thevenin equiv circuits is Circuits 1 stuff |
| 03:17.07 | Tem | Shirik|zZz, you're above circuits 1, aren't you? |
| 03:20.56 | Iriel | maybe she's trying to make sure YOU dont do well on the test? |
| 03:22.05 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh, reverse psychology. |
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| 03:23.01 | ScytheBlade1 | (again) |
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| 03:23.23 | Shaktar | well i've tested that statement [button:HookScript('OnAttributeChanged', ActionButton_UpdateFlash)] out a bit and i haven't gotten any taint errors and it does correct the flashing problem... but i don't feel real comfortable using that statement... on the other hand it looks pretty bad to have empty buttons flashing red |
| 03:24.15 | Shaktar | i dunno, i guess i could post a bug report but if that statement fixes the flashing perhaps i don't need to |
| 03:27.26 | Footrot | Sorry to be a bother, but does anyone know if a 2.4 spell ID database exists anywhere? |
| 03:27.43 | NightHawkTheSane | wowhead? |
| 03:27.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Footrot: wowhead |
| 03:28.00 | ckknight | Footrot: wowdb's also good |
| 03:28.16 | ScytheBlade1 | wowdb pisses me off |
| 03:28.23 | Footrot | And these have the actual 2.4 spell IDs for use with the new combat log events? |
| 03:28.31 | ScytheBlade1 | "lol every time I'm going to give you the tour because you don't save cookies" |
| 03:28.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Footrot: yes |
| 03:28.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Footrot: look in the URL, /?spell=22222 |
| 03:28.46 | ScytheBlade1 | etc |
| 03:29.09 | Footrot | Ahhh - I thought they may have been local IDs for the web-site's own purposes. |
| 03:29.12 | Footrot | Thanks muchly everyone. |
| 03:29.18 | Malgayne | All databases do that actually |
| 03:29.35 | NightHawkTheSane | well, thott's url ids are pretty arbitrary |
| 03:29.39 | Malgayne | Thottbot used to use its own internal item ids |
| 03:29.51 | Shirik|zZz | Tem: Nope |
| 03:30.00 | Shirik|zZz | I'm learning things.... backward |
| 03:30.01 | ScytheBlade1 | As long as you don't use thottbot, you'll be fine |
| 03:30.03 | Shirik|zZz | it's kinda odd |
| 03:30.06 | Malgayne | But he redid the site to use the normal ids now |
| 03:30.09 | Footrot | Awesome. Thanks again. |
| 03:30.24 | Shirik|zZz | it has to do with my strange schedule since I teach several of the labs |
| 03:30.38 | Shirik|zZz | So I know transistors, op amps, etc., yet still in Circuits 1 :P |
| 03:31.00 | Lopeppeppy | Backward. |
| 03:31.14 | Shirik|zZz | backward? |
| 03:31.39 | Lopeppeppy | You said it first, darlin', don't look at me for confirming it. :) |
| 03:32.21 | Shirik|zZz | ~confirm |
| 03:32.26 | Shirik|zZz | hm |
| 03:32.36 | Shirik|zZz | oh well, back to studying |
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| 03:35.09 | Lopeppeppy | I think his brains are leaking. |
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| 03:37.43 | Kaso | http://www.amazon.co.uk/Skytronic-SCREW/dp/B000L9C7MY/ref=sr_1_24?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1209439970&sr=1-24 |
| 03:37.53 | Kaso | Amazon for all your single screw needs |
| 03:37.59 | Kaso | also note the weight |
| 03:38.53 | kd3 | seven pence for a single screw? nearly a kilogram? |
| 03:39.01 | kd3 | wth kind of screw is that? |
| 03:39.19 | Iriel | one where they misplaced a decimal point most likely |
| 03:39.43 | Kaso | the idea of selling single screws in the first place is pretty amusing anyway |
| 03:39.44 | Iriel | or one that ships only in large quantities |
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| 03:43.49 | Sixen | I'd hit it. |
| 03:43.55 | Sixen | Oh, speaking of Kd3... I got SSBB, =). |
| 03:44.19 | kd3 | ooh. will have to steal back my copy from the roommate |
| 03:44.24 | Lopeppeppy | There's a whole industry of selling single screws. |
| 03:44.29 | Sixen | =P. |
| 03:44.53 | Cairenn | I still can't see that abbreviation without thinking of the two items back in EQ that had the same initials |
| 03:45.06 | Cairenn | (SSBB) |
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| 03:50.18 | Fisker- | i has moneys |
| 03:50.37 | Fisker- | nearing 20500 gold now |
| 03:50.44 | MentalPower|Food | gimmah |
| 03:50.57 | MentalPower | 2^31-1 |
| 03:51.04 | MentalPower | lua> 2^31-1 |
| 03:51.05 | lua_bot | MentalPower: 2147483647 |
| 03:51.18 | Fisker- | nevers |
| 03:51.19 | MentalPower | 214k gold is the max |
| 03:51.48 | MentalPower | Cairenn: I'm curious now, what is SSBB? |
| 03:52.27 | Fisker- | super smash brothers |
| 03:52.30 | Cairenn | I don't honestly remember, I just remember the initials |
| 03:52.31 | Fisker- | brawl |
| 03:52.47 | Fisker- | some stupid fighting game for the wii |
| 03:55.48 | Tem | stupid? |
| 03:55.50 | Tem | bah |
| 03:55.54 | Tem | it's an awesome party game |
| 03:56.02 | Tem | SSBB + alcohol = awesome |
| 03:57.31 | MentalPower | I prefer Rock Band for a party game |
| 03:57.57 | hi11ie | beer pong FTW (not really) |
| 03:58.52 | Fisker- | MAN I DIED OMG |
| 04:01.20 | Lopeppeppy | Quarters? |
| 04:01.22 | Lopeppeppy | Century Club? |
| 04:02.08 | Fisker- | no u Lopeppeppy |
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| 04:03.42 | Lopeppeppy | Gods no. I learned my lesson about Century Club before I ever played it! |
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| 04:05.53 | kd3 | lmao... my little brother just got back from gamestop. something like 150 people there waiting to get GTA4 |
| 04:06.15 | Fisker- | did he get it? |
| 04:06.18 | Fisker- | also why does he suck? |
| 04:06.19 | Seerah | lol - my hubby is hoping to find it somewhere tomorrow |
| 04:06.31 | kd3 | nope. line was 2 hours long... he's going to try noonish |
| 04:06.45 | Fisker- | when all games have been sold out hoho |
| 04:06.52 | kd3 | he pre-ordered |
| 04:07.12 | Seerah | grr.... WoW Combat Log and API 3, Seerah 0 |
| 04:07.24 | art3mis | its a two on one seerah |
| 04:07.34 | art3mis | *which i'd pay to see* ;) |
| 04:07.37 | Seerah | now, I'm no pro by any means... but how the hell am I supposed to find what I want? :P |
| 04:07.38 | Seerah | :P |
| 04:07.43 | art3mis | haha |
| 04:07.48 | art3mis | that line fits a little too well |
| 04:08.58 | Seerah | and here's my 4th attempt at starting from scratch... I may be bald after this |
| 04:09.09 | Fisker- | this sucks |
| 04:09.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Watch for _UNFILTERED and enjoy? :) |
| 04:09.15 | Fisker- | 3 tomes and a green on one aoe pull |
| 04:09.16 | art3mis | stop setting me up seerah ;) |
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| 04:09.20 | Fisker- | AND NO SUNFURY ATTACK PLANS RAWR |
| 04:09.44 | Seerah | ScytheBlade1: I am, but apparently I'm doing it wrong, even though I keep trying it like other addons do it |
| 04:09.50 | Xinhuan | whats up Seerah ;p |
| 04:09.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Seerah: pastey! |
| 04:10.49 | Seerah | lol - you want me to pasty all my commented out code, too? maybe there's something right in there :P btw - I've tried without a framework, with Ace2, and then tried learning Ace3 :P lol |
| 04:11.10 | Xinhuan | what are you up to |
| 04:11.40 | Fisker- | omg |
| 04:11.48 | Seerah | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/86857-2bs1 |
| 04:11.49 | Fisker- | blizzard and their stupid pack mechanics |
| 04:12.00 | Fisker- | one evades, 30 leashes |
| 04:12.07 | Fisker- | thanks for that |
| 04:12.11 | Zootfizzle | Yeah, damn blizzard! |
| 04:12.23 | Zootfizzle | I bet they did it on purpose because that sounds like a great mechanic from their perspective. |
| 04:12.27 | Fisker- | i see what you did there :o |
| 04:12.33 | Xinhuan | haha |
| 04:12.37 | cogwheel | burn? |
| 04:12.42 | Xinhuan | so does that work seerah? :) |
| 04:13.07 | cogwheel | though by default I'm on Frisker's side... the whole sprocket thing and all... |
| 04:13.11 | Seerah | I wanted to write an addon that would scan the combat log for when I cast polymorph (on target and/or focus) and annouce it to chat |
| 04:13.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Your OnEvent is wrong |
| 04:13.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Err hmm |
| 04:13.29 | Seerah | does what work, Xinhuan? |
| 04:13.30 | ScytheBlade1 | That's a lot of comments |
| 04:13.34 | ScytheBlade1 | I can't say that quite yet :) |
| 04:13.34 | Xinhuan | does your pastey work |
| 04:13.36 | Seerah | lol - I warned you |
| 04:13.44 | Seerah | I get no errors |
| 04:13.47 | Seerah | but, no |
| 04:13.53 | Seerah | I get no message to chat |
| 04:13.59 | Xinhuan | i'm asking if the self:Print() works hehe |
| 04:14.07 | Seerah | ^^ |
| 04:14.26 | Xinhuan | you should be checking eventType == |
| 04:14.30 | Xinhuan | rather than event == |
| 04:14.41 | Seerah | oopsie - lemme try that one |
| 04:14.47 | art3mis | hrm the new LG ironman phone looks rad |
| 04:14.49 | Xinhuan | event is always COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED in this case |
| 04:14.58 | art3mis | iphone looking touch screen |
| 04:15.01 | Xinhuan | because ace3 always sends the first arg as the trigerred blizzard event |
| 04:15.07 | art3mis | flips open to a screen and full keyboard |
| 04:15.10 | Xinhuan | since multiple events can use the same function |
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| 04:15.17 | cogwheel | s/light saber/Gnomish Pointing Device/ |
| 04:15.39 | Seerah | Xinuan: yeah, that was a typo - now the print works :D |
| 04:15.52 | Xinhuan | the rest of the code looks ok |
| 04:15.57 | Xinhuan | even the commented out ones |
| 04:16.03 | cogwheel | but srsly... Comcast? /gnash |
| 04:16.18 | Seerah | there were two other attempts at it below the "Plans" section |
| 04:16.28 | cogwheel | ~whaleshield |
| 04:16.29 | purl | ACTION summons a rather dense leaden whale named Billy Bob to shield cogwheel from the blast. |
| 04:16.40 | cogwheel | DAMN LACK OF PLURAL! |
| 04:16.49 | Xinhuan | everything after the "dstFlags" in the function declaration should be left as ... actually |
| 04:17.02 | Xinhuan | because every different eventType as its own variable list of arguments |
| 04:17.23 | Xinhuan | the list is documented on a sticky on wowace forums, as well as wowwiki |
| 04:17.46 | Seerah | I was thinking that once I got the hang of it, I'd check for when a sheep is broken/fades as well |
| 04:17.47 | Fisker- | anyways Zootfizzle you would understand my unbearable pain if you were a holy pala as well :( |
| 04:18.03 | Fisker- | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:18.06 | cogwheel | hey all |
| 04:18.21 | Fisker- | you might as well pull a lot of mobs instead of 1, they pretty much die at the same speed anyways |
| 04:18.21 | Fisker- | :P |
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| 04:18.56 | Zootfizzle | Fisker-: I have five level 70s, one is a holy Paladin =P |
| 04:18.57 | Xinhuan | btw, SPELL_AURA_APPLIED doesn't say who casted the aura ;p |
| 04:19.06 | Seerah | I know |
| 04:19.08 | Xinhuan | they are all nils |
| 04:19.22 | Seerah | and SPELL_CAST_START doesn't show the target |
| 04:19.29 | Fisker- | of course i probably shouldn't be doing the dailies since i'm already exalted and i have 20,5k gold |
| 04:19.37 | Xinhuan | you'll probably need to do some sort of tricky heuristics to guess |
| 04:20.08 | Lopeppeppy | I love my holydin, even if I bring a book to my farming sessions. |
| 04:20.31 | Xinhuan | in particular, a reapplied aura doesn't show up, but SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS should i think |
| 04:21.01 | Seerah | yeah.... I was thinking that using the new combat log events would make this easier/more accurate..... think it would be best to just do it the old way? |
| 04:21.31 | Xinhuan | i don't think i can't answer that one hehe |
| 04:22.01 | Seerah | MageAnnounce just uses UNIT_SPELLCAST_START and UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED |
| 04:22.03 | Xinhuan | its basically the same issue as Scorchio - tracking scorches on enemies |
| 04:22.18 | Xinhuan | instead of poly aura, its scorch aura |
| 04:22.35 | Fisker- | they should make a talent for holy paladins that also make consecration heal |
| 04:22.40 | Xinhuan | and this one can stack to 5, and you have to account for mages that don't have the talent |
| 04:22.45 | Seerah | yeah, I was testing just now with my tester toon and fireball |
| 04:22.51 | Seerah | :) |
| 04:23.00 | Xinhuan | could take a look at the code in there as well :D |
| 04:23.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Xinhuan: do you maintain scorchio? |
| 04:23.07 | Xinhuan | no |
| 04:23.09 | Xinhuan | ennui does |
| 04:23.15 | dylanm | He started playing again hurray. |
| 04:23.24 | Xinhuan | ennuilg - on #wowace |
| 04:23.50 | dylanm | Is AURA_APPLIED going to give the source in the future? Have they said anything? |
| 04:23.59 | Xinhuan | no word on it |
| 04:24.05 | Xinhuan | 2.4.2 is a negative on that one |
| 04:24.10 | dylanm | It would be so thoughtful of them. |
| 04:24.35 | Xinhuan | i believe its more a technical limitation |
| 04:24.50 | Xinhuan | if 2 paladins turn on the same aura, who should AURA_APPLIED annouce? |
| 04:25.01 | dylanm | Yeah I was thinking about that. |
| 04:25.02 | Xinhuan | and how many times should it announce? |
| 04:25.17 | Xinhuan | what if one pally turns the aura off, and the other one doesn't |
| 04:25.19 | Xinhuan | so you still have the aura? |
| 04:25.20 | dylanm | Just in the case of scorchio it would be useful. |
| 04:25.33 | Fisker- | aura's should persist through death ;_; |
| 04:25.52 | Xinhuan | so in most likelihood, from a server viewpoint, its probably easier as a "you have it, or you don't have it" buff with no particular source |
| 04:26.03 | dylanm | Most likely. |
| 04:26.13 | Xinhuan | (i'm just guessing btw) |
| 04:26.14 | dylanm | I wanted to correlate the aura being applied and scorch casts but it seems like the order and timing of events are hardly guaranteed. |
| 04:26.20 | art3mis | zoot |
| 04:26.28 | Fisker- | art3mis |
| 04:26.32 | art3mis | are you like a community liason? |
| 04:26.41 | art3mis | or do you actually do stuff? |
| 04:26.48 | Zootfizzle | o_O |
| 04:26.53 | Zootfizzle | I wrote the InterfaceOptionsFrame |
| 04:26.54 | art3mis | i honestly dont know ;) |
| 04:27.02 | Seerah | I was curious why it doesn't return a destName/GUID for SPELL_CAST_START - it's not like you can change the target of a spell mid-cast.... Maybe it's from AoE though, and follows the same lines as pally auras |
| 04:27.02 | Fisker- | n00b |
| 04:27.05 | Zootfizzle | And redid all the UI panel stuff so it wouldn't taint ;) |
| 04:27.06 | art3mis | oh |
| 04:27.10 | Fisker- | he/she is a UI guy/girl |
| 04:27.20 | Zootfizzle | I'm a man! |
| 04:27.20 | Xinhuan | Seerah, mainly for pvp/arena purposes |
| 04:27.23 | art3mis | dont like the taint huh? |
| 04:27.25 | ScytheBlade1 | man-girl! |
| 04:27.31 | Fisker- | so there you have it, she's a ui guy |
| 04:27.32 | Xinhuan | it is not recommended that the enemy players know who your spell is targetted at |
| 04:27.33 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 04:27.38 | Zootfizzle | I love the taint, but it needs to stay hidden in public =P |
| 04:27.40 | art3mis | men dont have vaginas |
| 04:27.51 | art3mis | even if they also have a penis ;) |
| 04:28.01 | Seerah | ah, that makes sense, Xinh |
| 04:28.10 | art3mis | isnt that right fisker |
| 04:28.19 | Fisker- | i disagree |
| 04:28.20 | art3mis | gym class must have been very confusing for you |
| 04:28.22 | Xinhuan | its basically a pvp balance decision not to supply destGUID |
| 04:28.39 | art3mis | Zootfizzle: there was something i was gonna ask ya, but i cant rememeber |
| 04:28.49 | art3mis | oh i know! |
| 04:29.02 | art3mis | think you could con them into adding in a profile feature? |
| 04:29.06 | Xinhuan | it will totally change pvp if you know in advance who a spell is going to land on |
| 04:29.18 | art3mis | so that you could have a layout/vars etc you could live/hot swap? |
| 04:29.25 | art3mis | easily |
| 04:29.38 | art3mis | without having to configure every addon and do directory changes? |
| 04:29.51 | ScytheBlade1 | art3mis: to the UI suggestions thread! |
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| 04:29.54 | ScytheBlade1 | It's a great place. |
| 04:29.59 | art3mis | nonon i dont post |
| 04:30.09 | art3mis | i throw out ideas on irc |
| 04:30.12 | art3mis | ;) |
| 04:30.22 | art3mis | actually that would be kind of awesome |
| 04:30.36 | art3mis | woulc make compilations drop to simple a settings file |
| 04:30.48 | art3mis | instead of the 20+megs that exist |
| 04:31.06 | art3mis | well setings and graphics |
| 04:31.13 | dylanm | Compilations can DIAF. |
| 04:31.17 | dylanm | Sorry, please continue. |
| 04:31.18 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 04:31.20 | art3mis | go post for my scythe |
| 04:31.26 | Xinhuan | i would much prefer if addon TOC files can manage LoD of its modules in its own subfolders rather than having them in the root addons folder |
| 04:31.27 | art3mis | dylanm: i agree |
| 04:31.39 | art3mis | i would love to see layouts and such though |
| 04:31.41 | ScytheBlade1 | art3mis: write it up, pastey it, and sure |
| 04:31.42 | Xinhuan | probably complicated to implement |
| 04:31.53 | art3mis | sicne they're much smaller and with a small change could be loaded./unloaded easily |
| 04:32.13 | art3mis | if it doesnt have that addon it simple doesnt display it ;) |
| 04:32.52 | Fisker- | 20501 gold wee |
| 04:32.55 | Fisker- | what should i do with it? |
| 04:33.11 | Xinhuan | donate to Shattered Sun Offensive |
| 04:33.13 | Xinhuan | 1000g |
| 04:33.18 | Fisker- | already did that |
| 04:33.19 | dylanm | DO IT 20 TIMES |
| 04:33.23 | Xinhuan | ^ |
| 04:33.27 | Fisker- | you can't :( |
| 04:33.31 | Xinhuan | you can |
| 04:33.35 | Xinhuan | give 1000g to 20 people |
| 04:33.46 | Keias | what realm are you on Fisker? |
| 04:33.46 | art3mis | buy 1 of each colour mount |
| 04:33.50 | dylanm | It would be pretty great if you could chain the titles together. |
| 04:33.53 | art3mis | for every faction |
| 04:33.53 | Keias | I'm coming to rob you. |
| 04:33.58 | Fisker- | you can't :o |
| 04:34.00 | Fisker- | i got insurance |
| 04:34.04 | Keias | Foiled |
| 04:34.21 | Fisker- | though that dream i have of a lowlevel begger asking for money and me giving him all i got still haunts me |
| 04:34.36 | Lopeppeppy | Get a therapist instead of insurance. |
| 04:34.36 | art3mis | 2 words |
| 04:34.40 | art3mis | guild bank |
| 04:34.48 | art3mis | how is the rapist gonna help? |
| 04:35.00 | Fisker- | i'm being a douche just to put up all my gold and just stand there |
| 04:35.04 | Fisker- | so i put up all my gold |
| 04:35.09 | Fisker- | and then for some reason i press trade |
| 04:35.12 | Fisker- | and i'm like "nooooooooo" |
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| 04:35.47 | art3mis | ScytheBlade1: i might just do that, cept im hoping that possibly zoot read it and it's planted it's seed ;P |
| 04:36.05 | art3mis | it also would be a boon to multiple characters on the same account |
| 04:36.15 | art3mis | without having to redo/copy the settigns over and stuff |
| 04:36.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Write it up |
| 04:37.54 | Fisker- | got exalted with sporeggar btw :o |
| 04:38.02 | Fisker- | not that i need it for anything |
| 04:39.10 | Lopeppeppy | That shield is fun to grind with. |
| 04:39.20 | Fisker- | what shield? |
| 04:39.33 | Lopeppeppy | The one that has a poison dot, sold by the mushroom faction. |
| 04:39.45 | Lopeppeppy | So fun for pally grinding. |
| 04:40.05 | dylanm | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=25828 |
| 04:40.05 | Fisker- | :o |
| 04:40.11 | art3mis | welp night kids |
| 04:40.18 | art3mis | scythe remind me tomorrow to type it up |
| 04:40.19 | Fisker- | don't block much though |
| 04:40.25 | ScytheBlade1 | NO U |
| 04:40.40 | Lopeppeppy | Learn to block. *laugh* |
| 04:40.43 | Keias | You need sporeggar exalted for the tabard, silly. |
| 04:41.22 | Cairenn|afk | night guys |
| 04:41.27 | Xinhuan | night |
| 04:41.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Again? |
| 04:41.31 | ScytheBlade1 | At a decent hour? |
| 04:41.44 | Keias | night night Cairenn |
| 04:41.46 | Shirik | morning guys |
| 04:41.49 | Cairenn|afk | I know, shocking hey? |
| 04:42.01 | Cairenn|afk | two nights in a row I've gone to bed before 1am my time |
| 04:42.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Creepy |
| 04:42.17 | Shirik | Well you see, every night she stays up one hour later |
| 04:42.25 | Fisker- | gonna go to work and be bored |
| 04:42.26 | Fisker- | later |
| 04:42.28 | Shirik | eventually she has to roll back around |
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| 04:48.20 | Zootfizzle | Hey ScytheBlade1, how do you feel about the crafting API? ;) |
| 04:49.09 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd tell you, but it'd last about 20 seconds before I detonated. |
| 04:49.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Tradeskills is nice, I like it |
| 04:49.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Clean, non-hackish |
| 04:49.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Crafting? |
| 04:49.51 | ScytheBlade1 | .... no |
| 04:50.27 | clad|rowing | its not _that_ bad |
| 04:50.40 | ScytheBlade1 | It's pretty bad :P |
| 04:51.03 | ScytheBlade1 | GetCraftSkillLine() requires an argument |
| 04:51.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Whatever you pass, as long as it isn't zero, returns the same thing |
| 04:51.18 | ScytheBlade1 | No one knows what that argument is for |
| 04:51.32 | ScytheBlade1 | CraftIsPetTraining() exists |
| 04:51.45 | ScytheBlade1 | It can be summed up as, "If this is true, the entire API no longer does what you expect it to" |
| 04:53.26 | clad|rowing | index - If this argument is 0 then GetCraftSkillLine() will always return nil. If it is any number greater than 0 then this function will return the name of the open craft skill (number) |
| 04:53.37 | ScytheBlade1 | So - why does it exist? |
| 04:53.37 | pastamancer | rowing? |
| 04:53.44 | ScytheBlade1 | (The arg) |
| 04:54.03 | clad|rowing | from when the skill window used to do more |
| 04:54.04 | clad|rowing | including talents |
| 04:54.09 | clad|rowing | err |
| 04:54.10 | clad|rowing | craft |
| 04:54.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Talents would fit |
| 04:54.23 | clad|rowing | is my guess |
| 04:54.26 | clad|rowing | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.26 | ScytheBlade1 | It's just old and needs to die :P |
| 04:54.34 | Fisker- | you mean back when the talent ui was ugly` |
| 04:54.35 | Fisker- | ? |
| 04:54.41 | clad|rowing | heh |
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| 05:00.52 | ScytheBlade1 | I think I'll grab a creamie before I continue working on this |
| 05:03.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Ohh, choclate and orange |
| 05:05.51 | AnduinLothar | This look like it has ChatBar with a custom border to anyone else? http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/4282/buffsor5.jpg |
| 05:06.54 | dylanm | AnduinLothar: Definitely. |
| 05:07.46 | AnduinLothar | hmmm wonder if he made it himself. i dont see custom borders public anywhere |
| 05:08.54 | dylanm | A lot of these guys do that... I mean you see that he changed Control Freak. |
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| 05:21.47 | Shirik | yes! |
| 05:21.53 | Shirik | I got under 60% overhealing last sunday |
| 05:22.09 | Shirik | holy shit |
| 05:22.10 | Shirik | I take that back |
| 05:22.22 | Shirik | greater heal overheal % is 83% >.> |
| 05:22.23 | Shirik | wtf |
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| 05:23.32 | Xuerian | o.0 |
| 05:23.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Solution: don't use gheal |
| 05:23.55 | ScytheBlade1 | 1 in 5 is bad :P |
| 05:25.11 | Gngsk | kergoth, ping |
| 05:25.38 | Shirik | oh yeah I forgot |
| 05:25.41 | Shirik | the 18k crits |
| 05:25.52 | Shirik | RoS jacks with the numbers, and all we did was RoS on sunday |
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| 05:26.53 | Shirik | I guess I shouldn't use GHeal on ROS |
| 05:27.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Ha! Called it! |
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| 05:28.13 | Legorol | Strategic question for the raid experienced: |
| 05:28.26 | Shirik | mash 2 repeatedly = win |
| 05:28.56 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 05:28.56 | Legorol | You have a 10-man raid with these present: Warrior tank, 2xholy priest, 1 shadow priest, 1 MM hunter, 1 enh. shaman, 1 resto shaman, 1 rogue, 1 ret pali, 1 mage |
| 05:29.11 | ScytheBlade1 | No second tank? |
| 05:29.16 | Legorol | How would you split them into 2x5-man groups, possibly differently for trash and boss |
| 05:29.24 | Shirik | warrior, rogue, ret pally, enh shaman, hunter |
| 05:29.36 | Shirik | priests, resto shaman, mage, shadow priest |
| 05:29.45 | Legorol | that would be the obvious thing to do, but here are the caveats: |
| 05:30.08 | Legorol | the priests are well geared and don't need a mana battery. the shadow priest is wasted on them |
| 05:30.27 | Legorol | the hunter, whilst he provides MM aura for teh physical dps, actually can do much more individual dps with a mana battery |
| 05:30.36 | Shirik | MM.... |
| 05:30.40 | Shirik | stab him |
| 05:30.44 | Legorol | the ret pali is running out of mana, even with constant pots on every cooldown |
| 05:30.46 | Shirik | then put him in the shadow priest group for being fail |
| 05:30.56 | NightHawkTheSane | get a new ret pally and make the hunter spec bm, |
| 05:31.02 | Legorol | lol |
| 05:31.07 | Legorol | you guys are veering off topic |
| 05:31.07 | ScytheBlade1 | What NightHawkTheSane said |
| 05:31.14 | ScytheBlade1 | It's IRC ;) |
| 05:31.14 | Shirik | Assuming the holy priests don't need a battery (which they SHOULDN'T if they're good) |
| 05:31.14 | Legorol | doesn't answer the original question :) |
| 05:31.21 | Shirik | you can feel free to put them in the warrior group |
| 05:31.23 | dylanm | What is he doing? |
| 05:31.27 | dylanm | The ret paladin I mean. |
| 05:31.28 | Shirik | the enh shaman NEEDS to stay with teh warrior |
| 05:31.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: keep the groups as noted, tell your classes to suck it up, and suck less |
| 05:31.33 | Shirik | and the rogue |
| 05:31.35 | Legorol | let's take the hunter for example: is putting him in 2nd group worth it? |
| 05:31.41 | Legorol | melee dps drops, his individual dps rises |
| 05:31.46 | AnduinLothar | ret always runs outa mana |
| 05:31.51 | Shirik | the MM aura won't give you much anyway |
| 05:32.01 | AnduinLothar | i've only stopped potting every fight now that i have 8k mana in raids |
| 05:32.01 | Shirik | might as well help him sustain his mana if the priests are good enough |
| 05:32.05 | Legorol | Shirik: what totem should the enh. shaman drop then? |
| 05:32.10 | Legorol | why does he need to stay with the warrior? |
| 05:32.11 | Shirik | WF clearly |
| 05:32.16 | NightHawkTheSane | soe/wf |
| 05:32.19 | AnduinLothar | wf, str, mana tide |
| 05:32.25 | NightHawkTheSane | mana spring* |
| 05:32.30 | AnduinLothar | w/e |
| 05:32.33 | Legorol | isn't wf/mana tide the same? |
| 05:32.36 | NightHawkTheSane | no |
| 05:32.41 | NightHawkTheSane | wf is air, mana spring is water |
| 05:32.41 | Legorol | i mean the same class |
| 05:32.44 | Shirik | mana tide is like innervate |
| 05:32.50 | Shirik | oh |
| 05:32.53 | Shirik | wrong question :P |
| 05:32.55 | Legorol | yup i know what mana tide is |
| 05:33.03 | Shirik | I thought you asked mana spring/mana tide |
| 05:33.04 | Legorol | wasn't sure if it's water or air |
| 05:33.09 | Shirik | it's water I believe |
| 05:33.11 | Legorol | ok |
| 05:33.12 | NightHawkTheSane | it is |
| 05:33.12 | AnduinLothar | replace a priest with a holy pally imo |
| 05:33.14 | Legorol | anyway |
| 05:33.14 | NightHawkTheSane | i just said it is :P |
| 05:33.17 | AnduinLothar | have him judge wisdom |
| 05:33.18 | Shirik | ~kill AnduinLothar |
| 05:33.23 | purl | ACTION shoots a hyper-charged anti-electron gun at AnduinLothar |
| 05:33.23 | Legorol | why does the warrior need those things |
| 05:33.23 | Shirik | NO! |
| 05:33.23 | Legorol | he can generate enough threat fine |
| 05:33.48 | Shirik | Legorol, at the very minimum, the rogue would appreciate it :) |
| 05:33.50 | Legorol | i even thought of swapping the warrior (who doesn't really need to be in the melee group) with the spriest |
| 05:33.54 | AnduinLothar | with wisdom judged and mana spring I don't have much mana problems |
| 05:33.55 | NightHawkTheSane | because your dps can do more, and the rogues dps will skyrocket |
| 05:34.00 | Legorol | Shirik: warrior is doing commanding shout, not battle shout |
| 05:34.11 | NightHawkTheSane | warrior should l2battleshout |
| 05:34.16 | Legorol | so rogue is not benefitting |
| 05:34.24 | Seerah | Xinhuan (or anyone): am I doing this wrong? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/86859 I get the first and second prints, but not the third |
| 05:34.29 | Shirik | agree with battle shout assuming your priests are intelligent |
| 05:34.50 | Legorol | that's 1k less Hp to the tank, he wants it and the healers want it *shrug* |
| 05:35.03 | Legorol | I'm making the puzzle more complicated by giving you guys the constraints i have to work with :) |
| 05:35.04 | AnduinLothar | but rly a 2nd pally would provide better buffs than a 3rd priest |
| 05:35.07 | NightHawkTheSane | he's an idiot, and if the healers are geared like you siad, they dont need it |
| 05:35.07 | Shirik | how much hp does he have without it? |
| 05:35.16 | Legorol | AnduinLothar: i don't have a choice over group composition |
| 05:35.28 | Shirik | AnduinLothar: Pallies are evil! |
| 05:35.29 | Shirik | They take my job |
| 05:35.32 | Shirik | they need to die |
| 05:35.51 | Legorol | so how about swapping the warrior with the shadow priest? |
| 05:35.55 | AnduinLothar | holy pallies are nice, because you can add 4-5 and get new benifits in buffs for each one |
| 05:35.55 | Shirik | disagree |
| 05:35.59 | Shirik | the mage would not appreciate that |
| 05:36.06 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 05:36.12 | AnduinLothar | 4-5 priests give you the same thing as 2 |
| 05:36.12 | NightHawkTheSane | keep the groups as they are |
| 05:36.13 | Legorol | the mage is imba and doesn't oom even without pots, fortunately |
| 05:36.15 | NightHawkTheSane | tell people to SUCK LESS |
| 05:36.19 | Legorol | tis the resto shammy that might complain |
| 05:36.29 | Xuerian | Seerah: self:Print(spell, spell2, eventType, spellID) is your friend |
| 05:36.32 | Shirik | if he doesn't go oom he needs to dps harder :P |
| 05:36.37 | Shirik | If he can't dps harder the warrior needs windfury |
| 05:36.38 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 05:36.56 | Legorol | well this mage is out-dpsing everyone in the raid, so i won't complain |
| 05:37.05 | Shirik | tell him to MORE out-dps :P |
| 05:37.07 | Legorol | anyway, i guess the only really useful question is |
| 05:37.08 | AnduinLothar | ZA or KZ? |
| 05:37.08 | Yssaril | Seerah: your defining spell and spell2 to be local to their own if statments this they are not available to the 3rd one |
| 05:37.09 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 05:37.22 | Shirik | wtf is KZ? |
| 05:37.23 | Legorol | what improves dps more: the hunter in the first group, gimping his own dps but boosting the group's, |
| 05:37.27 | NightHawkTheSane | karazhan |
| 05:37.31 | Legorol | or the hunter in second group for mana battery |
| 05:37.31 | Shirik | oh |
| 05:37.48 | Yssaril | Seerah: try http://wowuidev.pastey.net/86860 |
| 05:37.56 | Shirik | pull the hunter to the shadow priest group |
| 05:37.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: assuming the healers dont need it, exchange a holy priest for hunter |
| 05:38.01 | Seerah | thank you, Yssaril - I was wondering if it was something like that... I was under the impression that locals were good for the whole function |
| 05:38.07 | Shirik | he doesn't benefit the group greatly |
| 05:38.09 | AnduinLothar | what spec is the hunter? i know the BT hunters never run outa mana |
| 05:38.14 | Shirik | AnduinLothar: MM |
| 05:38.18 | Shirik | thus the failure part |
| 05:38.24 | AnduinLothar | yeah, make him respec |
| 05:38.31 | Legorol | btw, look at this whole thing as more of a mental exercise in optimization :) |
| 05:38.37 | Shirik | But assuming Legorol can't respec or swap anyone |
| 05:38.43 | Legorol | >.< AnduinLothar: that's outside the constraints of the puzzle |
| 05:38.48 | Yssaril | Seerah: locals are good per block wich would be per for,if,while,function,file statments :) |
| 05:38.48 | Shirik | swap the MM hunter with a holy priest (preferably the one with more mp5) |
| 05:38.52 | AnduinLothar | then it's not a valid puzzle imo |
| 05:38.56 | Legorol | lol |
| 05:39.06 | AnduinLothar | half of being successful is having the right group composition |
| 05:39.14 | Legorol | consider it a constrained optimization problem |
| 05:39.15 | AnduinLothar | any raid leader knows that |
| 05:39.21 | NightHawkTheSane | AnduinLothar: scroll up and see my initial response to this. ;) |
| 05:39.39 | Shirik | aye, I think we've all agreed for a wihle |
| 05:39.41 | AnduinLothar | besides. kz doesn't need optimization... |
| 05:39.51 | Shirik | excluding AnduinLothar's "get rid of xxx insert yyy bring 10 paladins, win" |
| 05:39.52 | Legorol | AnduinLothar: except when 10 random people decide to have some fun, and it's not about picking the right people from a pool of 20 |
| 05:40.02 | Legorol | Shirik: you just won the threat |
| 05:40.03 | AnduinLothar | i didn't say 10 |
| 05:40.09 | Shirik | I know, I'm kidding :) |
| 05:40.10 | AnduinLothar | tho that'd work in kz... |
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| 05:40.26 | NightHawkTheSane | been done |
| 05:40.29 | Legorol | btw, i never said it's KZ |
| 05:40.39 | Shirik | Has an all-lv 68 kara been done? |
| 05:40.42 | Legorol | could be UBRS ^^ |
| 05:40.48 | AnduinLothar | ZA does need optimization. and compitant well geared people |
| 05:41.07 | Legorol | btw, for the hunter: |
| 05:41.07 | Shirik | aye |
| 05:41.09 | AnduinLothar | ubrs just needs a lvl 70 to go with you |
| 05:41.11 | Legorol | why is BM preferred to MM? |
| 05:41.16 | Legorol | do they just simply do more damage? |
| 05:41.17 | Shirik | BM benefits the group hugely |
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| 05:41.22 | Zootfizzle | Fortunately it doesn't require anyone who can spell competent. ;) |
| 05:41.27 | NightHawkTheSane | also generally beetter raid dps |
| 05:41.34 | Legorol | interesting, i'd have thought the MM aura benefits a physical dps more than the pet's thingy |
| 05:41.36 | Shirik | and yes they do more general DPS to a point |
| 05:41.39 | AnduinLothar | pet does like 40% of their dps |
| 05:41.40 | Legorol | i forget what it's called |
| 05:41.52 | Zootfizzle | Ferocious Inspiration |
| 05:41.54 | NightHawkTheSane | ferocious inspiration |
| 05:41.56 | AnduinLothar | pet's liek 4% dmg |
| 05:41.56 | Legorol | that's the one |
| 05:41.59 | Shirik | there's a crossover point where MM will do more raid dps than BM |
| 05:42.01 | Zootfizzle | FIRST! |
| 05:42.01 | Zootfizzle | OMG |
| 05:42.02 | Shirik | but it's way up there |
| 05:42.03 | NightHawkTheSane | and BM hunters can go in any group, as it improves any damage |
| 05:42.11 | Legorol | so ignoring the raid dps of Bm vs. MM, which one buffs the group more |
| 05:42.20 | NightHawkTheSane | bm. |
| 05:42.25 | Shirik | bm for sure |
| 05:42.31 | Legorol | FI > MM aura? |
| 05:42.34 | NightHawkTheSane | yes. |
| 05:42.37 | Legorol | or does it depend on the AP people already have |
| 05:42.43 | Shirik | it's %-based |
| 05:42.44 | Legorol | since FI is a % buff, MM aura is a static buff |
| 05:42.46 | Shirik | and here's the cool part |
| 05:42.48 | AnduinLothar | you only want a MM if you already have a BM int he grp imo |
| 05:42.49 | NightHawkTheSane | well, arguably it depends on gear level |
| 05:42.51 | Legorol | surely there's a crossover point |
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| 05:43.17 | Shirik | as BM, you could justify easily putting him in the shadow priest/mage group |
| 05:43.19 | AnduinLothar | but you onyl ever have the hunter int he melee grp if you're short melee in my experience |
| 05:43.24 | Shirik | because they get the same benefit |
| 05:43.28 | Shirik | hell you could move the rogue to that group too |
| 05:43.40 | Legorol | then he loses battle shout |
| 05:43.40 | Shirik | rogue, bm hunter, shadow priest, enh shaman, mage |
| 05:43.46 | Shirik | you aren't using battle shout anyway :P |
| 05:43.50 | Legorol | also, the retri paladin's buff benefits all dps, not just melee ;-) |
| 05:43.55 | Legorol | Shirik: that's true |
| 05:44.01 | Zootfizzle | Shirik, you just made your enhancement shaman cry |
| 05:44.08 | Shirik | I hate shamans anyway |
| 05:44.08 | AnduinLothar | fury war, druid, enh, rogue, ret best melee grp imo. |
| 05:44.17 | Legorol | AnduinLothar: those classes are not present |
| 05:44.23 | AnduinLothar | make um present! |
| 05:44.26 | Shirik | though Legorol, that group makeup doesn't make much sense normally |
| 05:44.28 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 05:44.35 | Shirik | the group makeup I put up there originally would make more sense |
| 05:44.45 | Shirik | the one I just said now is just an alternative if your hunter keeps running out of mana |
| 05:44.49 | Legorol | Shirik: the retri pali is stranded then |
| 05:45.01 | Shirik | he's ret |
| 05:45.09 | AnduinLothar | tell him to judge wisdom |
| 05:45.16 | Shirik | ^ |
| 05:45.18 | Legorol | he buffs all dps by what, 2%? or whatever sanctity does |
| 05:45.22 | AnduinLothar | if you're running outa mana wis >> crusader |
| 05:45.27 | Legorol | so putting him with healers is also silly |
| 05:45.33 | Zootfizzle | I wonder how many Ret paladins will go DK |
| 05:45.35 | Shirik | I really don't know enough about ret to tell you |
| 05:45.43 | AnduinLothar | @%, yes |
| 05:45.45 | Shirik | we bring a ret pally to BT but dunno how that works out |
| 05:45.46 | AnduinLothar | 2% |
| 05:45.49 | Legorol | not to mention that now the ret pali not only is not buffing anyone, he's still running out of mana, and his personal dps is further gimped due to lack of enh shaman |
| 05:46.08 | AnduinLothar | wf > sp |
| 05:46.09 | Legorol | ret pali has imp sanctity aura that buffs group's dps by 2%, i'm sure AnduinLothar will correct me if i'm wrong |
| 05:46.24 | AnduinLothar | wf + sp = super ret pally |
| 05:46.26 | Shirik | but what is 2%? |
| 05:46.29 | AnduinLothar | aura |
| 05:46.33 | Legorol | 2% of your damage |
| 05:46.33 | Shirik | ... |
| 05:46.37 | NightHawkTheSane | imp sanctity aura |
| 05:46.37 | Shirik | I know what 2% is! |
| 05:46.40 | Legorol | your damage (all forms) increased by 2% |
| 05:46.40 | Shirik | gah |
| 05:46.41 | Antiarc | It's +3% crit |
| 05:46.47 | Shirik | lua> 1000000*.02 |
| 05:46.47 | Antiarc | It works out to ~1.9% raid damage |
| 05:46.47 | lua_bot | Shirik: 20000 |
| 05:46.48 | AnduinLothar | that's crusader |
| 05:46.50 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc: thats imp judgement of crusader |
| 05:46.50 | Shirik | that's what I meant |
| 05:46.58 | Shirik | 20k extra damage from 1 million |
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| 05:47.19 | Shirik | what is that, 20 swings? |
| 05:47.27 | Legorol | Shirik: well i have no idea why top guilds put a ret pali in their melee group then |
| 05:47.38 | Shirik | Hey I'm not disagreeing, we have a ret pally too :P |
| 05:47.43 | AnduinLothar | if you're hunter and pally are runnign outa mana just do huntard, rogue, enh sham, sp, ret |
| 05:47.44 | Legorol | so what do you use him for |
| 05:47.45 | Antiarc | a) ret paladins are pretty useless without windfury, and b) 3% raid crit and JoW |
| 05:47.48 | Shirik | and 2% is /something/ |
| 05:47.57 | Shirik | but if your hunter keeps running out of mana |
| 05:48.01 | Shirik | what's going to do you more benefit? |
| 05:48.20 | Shirik | Like I said, the first group I said would be optimal, but that assumes normal conditions |
| 05:48.28 | Shirik | I would ask your hunter if he's using mana pots |
| 05:48.32 | AnduinLothar | imo make your hunter respec and use the mana aura |
| 05:48.33 | Shirik | if he's anything like the hunters I know, eh's not |
| 05:48.36 | Legorol | Shirik: sure is |
| 05:48.40 | Antiarc | 100% JoW uptime + chain potting makes it a lot harder for hunters to go OOM |
| 05:48.41 | NightHawkTheSane | fel mana pots. :P |
| 05:48.47 | Legorol | but playing a hutner from personal experience i know that having an spriest can up your dps a lot |
| 05:49.01 | Shirik | Shirik is a hunter :P |
| 05:49.01 | AnduinLothar | meh. only at low gear lvls |
| 05:49.05 | Shirik | though I haven't played him in about 8 months now |
| 05:49.07 | Legorol | Shirik: ah ok |
| 05:49.35 | Legorol | whether a hunter runs out of mana or not is a matter of choice.. depends on which shots are used, and therefore how much dps he does :) |
| 05:49.49 | Shirik | it shouldn't be easy to run out of mana tbh |
| 05:49.51 | Legorol | kind of like a mage that can stop oom-ing by not casting ^^ |
| 05:49.51 | NightHawkTheSane | thats an absurd statement |
| 05:49.52 | Shirik | but w/e |
| 05:50.02 | Shirik | no sense in talking about "what could be" |
| 05:50.04 | Shirik | what matters is "what is" |
| 05:50.16 | Shirik | swap the hunter with a holy priest, preferably the one with more mp5 |
| 05:50.23 | Legorol | Shirik: spam Arcane Shot on every cooldown with Hawk up instead of Viper and you'll be oom pretty fast |
| 05:50.27 | Shirik | Somehow that holy priest always ends up being myself |
| 05:50.47 | Shirik | and yet I still don't go oom even though I have 83% overheal on greater heal |
| 05:50.59 | Shirik | and come in #3 behind the chart behind damn shamans with their chain heal #@#%!#%2 |
| 05:51.00 | AnduinLothar | that's cause the spirit buff is op |
| 05:51.12 | AnduinLothar | hackers |
| 05:51.16 | Legorol | lol |
| 05:51.21 | Legorol | pala vs priest, gogo fight! |
| 05:51.30 | AnduinLothar | figures they buff the one stat ret pallies don't use |
| 05:51.31 | Shirik | I consistently beat our paladins, no big deal :P |
| 05:51.36 | Shirik | only problem I have is against our shamans |
| 05:51.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: <3 chain heal |
| 05:51.53 | AnduinLothar | f healing. that's boring |
| 05:51.55 | Shirik | AnduinLothar: I'm about to break 1k mp5 :) |
| 05:52.00 | AnduinLothar | lame! |
| 05:52.16 | Legorol | Shirik: whilst casting? |
| 05:52.20 | Shirik | hell no |
| 05:52.22 | Shirik | that would be a bit op |
| 05:52.27 | Legorol | i was worried |
| 05:52.28 | NightHawkTheSane | its STILl a bit op. |
| 05:52.31 | AnduinLothar | w/e I have 2k ap and 31% crit. I'm secure in my awesome |
| 05:52.34 | Legorol | i never care about the ooc regen |
| 05:52.38 | Legorol | quote ic regen please |
| 05:52.40 | Shirik | but that doesn't matter too much as a well played priest should spend a lot of time out of the 5sr |
| 05:52.43 | Legorol | ooc regen doesn't scale linearly with ic regen |
| 05:52.53 | Shirik | it does for me |
| 05:52.55 | Shirik | well sorta |
| 05:52.58 | Shirik | at a minimum of 30% |
| 05:53.02 | Legorol | it does if you are stacking spirit |
| 05:53.21 | Legorol | but if you start swapping spirit->mp5, the ratio changes |
| 05:53.37 | Legorol | anyway |
| 05:53.42 | Shirik | Well 30% of my mana regenerates while casting, plus mp5 |
| 05:53.46 | Legorol | what we ended up doing was the original suggestion for trash, |
| 05:53.50 | Shirik | due to talents |
| 05:53.52 | Legorol | and swapping a holy priest with hunter for boss |
| 05:54.04 | Legorol | Shirik: i got a priest too, i know how it works :) |
| 05:54.07 | Shirik | add on clearcasting+innerfocus trick, and easymode ensues |
| 05:54.15 | Legorol | that's why i don't care about figures relating to ooc regen, they don't impress me |
| 05:54.22 | Shirik | anyway! |
| 05:54.29 | Legorol | clearcasting+innerfocus trick? |
| 05:54.34 | Legorol | that one i don't know, educate! |
| 05:54.40 | Shirik | it's fairly simple |
| 05:54.46 | Shirik | if you don't spend mana, you don't enter the 5sr |
| 05:54.54 | AnduinLothar | i want some ooc regen. i go through biscuits like no ones business. |
| 05:55.05 | Shirik | save inner focus for a point when you hit clearcasting, use it after blowing the clearcasting buff |
| 05:55.06 | Legorol | so inner focus can get you out of 5sr? |
| 05:55.13 | Legorol | aha |
| 05:55.15 | Shirik | you now have something like 15s out of combat |
| 05:55.22 | Shirik | for me, that's 3k mana |
| 05:55.22 | NightHawkTheSane | inner focus prevents you from using mana, so you never enter it tobegin with |
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| 05:55.50 | Legorol | interesting that 5sr is tied to mana use, and not to spellcast |
| 05:55.53 | Legorol | didn't expect that |
| 05:55.55 | Legorol | neat |
| 05:56.15 | enum | yo yo... anyone know a good way to estimate creature hp? I want to get an hp estimate instead of the percentage |
| 05:56.35 | NightHawkTheSane | use mobhealth? |
| 05:57.10 | enum | hmmm. I'll have to look that up. I've been using UnitHealth(unitid) to get the percentage. didn't know that existed |
| 05:57.36 | Shirik | uh |
| 05:57.41 | Shirik | mobhealth is an addon, btw |
| 05:57.42 | Shirik | not an API |
| 05:57.48 | enum | yeah, I just saw that :) |
| 05:57.48 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
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| 05:58.12 | Shirik | We could ask Zootfizzle for a GetMobHealth() API but I think he'd stab me in the face |
| 05:58.23 | enum | ouch |
| 05:58.39 | Legorol | Shirik: i think he'd throw some exploding sprockets at you instead |
| 05:58.47 | Shirik | It's one of those things Blizzard doesn't want us to have easy access to :) All we have is access to percentages, so we're restricted to guessing |
| 05:59.00 | Legorol | pretty good guesses |
| 05:59.17 | Shirik | aye, over time they do become pretty good |
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| 05:59.43 | Shirik | it's all mathematics |
| 05:59.59 | Legorol | it's all about confidence intervals |
| 06:00.13 | enum | right, I figured I could take the percentage before hit, get the amount hit for, then get the percentage after hit and do the math on that |
| 06:00.21 | Shirik | omg my AP statistics courses are coming back to me |
| 06:00.28 | Legorol | enum: that'd almost work, except that percentages are whole numbers |
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| 06:00.37 | Legorol | you have to do some running average to get it more accurate |
| 06:00.39 | Shirik | enum, will work, but be careful because you have to worry about if the percentage doesn't change (bosses) |
| 06:00.48 | Legorol | doing the way you suggested will be too inaccurate |
| 06:00.51 | MentalPower | Shirik: you took stats? wanna join auctioneer? :) |
| 06:00.56 | Shirik | haha |
| 06:01.07 | Legorol | MentalPower: so did i, no thanks |
| 06:01.07 | enum | hmmm |
| 06:01.08 | Shirik | Why, none of you took stats? |
| 06:01.19 | enum | so if a number doesn't change. is there really a way to get close? |
| 06:01.24 | Legorol | sure |
| 06:01.30 | Shirik | integrate! |
| 06:01.33 | Legorol | just count how many times you hit him for how much until it *did* change |
| 06:01.42 | enum | right right |
| 06:01.48 | Legorol | Shirik put it simpler, more precise and more mathematically ;-) |
| 06:01.53 | Legorol | adding up numbers -> integrate |
| 06:01.54 | Legorol | woot |
| 06:02.01 | MentalPower | Shirik: I haven't (yet) |
| 06:02.06 | Shirik | awe :< |
| 06:02.10 | Shirik | it's a fun course |
| 06:02.16 | Shirik | about 50% of my class failed |
| 06:02.19 | Shirik | I got an A |
| 06:02.25 | MentalPower | its on the ToDo list for when I return to college |
| 06:02.25 | Shirik | Mostly because I wasn't stupid |
| 06:02.47 | Legorol | depending on the actual topics covered, statistics requires a certain way of perceiving the problems, which some people do get, some people don't |
| 06:03.06 | Shirik | so you have no idea what this chart is? http://math2.org/math/stat/distributions/z-dist.htm |
| 06:03.18 | Legorol | my favourite test is whether you can explain to someone the 3-doors, 1 revealed problem (don't know what it's called) and whether they'll understand it |
| 06:03.33 | Shirik | that's all stats is, looking up stuff in tables :D (Well not really, but sometimes it seems like that) |
| 06:03.34 | Xuerian | That makes my head hurt.... |
| 06:03.42 | Legorol | Shirik: too easy |
| 06:04.46 | Shirik | and the magical number of 68%! |
| 06:04.51 | Shirik | The world revolves around 68% |
| 06:04.58 | Legorol | hehe |
| 06:05.15 | Legorol | as for what the group was for: yes it was for Karazhan, and you can do everything there except NS with one tank |
| 06:05.42 | Legorol | the reason i had all those constraints is because the group was formed with "does anyone want to run kara?" |
| 06:05.49 | Legorol | so i have no choice of classes, specs etc. |
| 06:05.55 | Shirik | NS being? |
| 06:06.01 | Legorol | Netherspite |
| 06:06.04 | Shirik | right |
| 06:06.10 | Shirik | All you all and your crazy acronyms |
| 06:06.16 | Shirik | Anyway, we've done NS with a single tank :) |
| 06:06.19 | AnduinLothar | ret pally can tank NS for a while |
| 06:06.19 | Shirik | we used hunters as tanks |
| 06:06.29 | Legorol | although i did think of a way of doing NS with one tank after the fact |
| 06:06.49 | Legorol | AnduinLothar: he wouldn't be able to according to the tactic we normally use |
| 06:06.56 | Legorol | so we'd have had to have a drastic chagne of tactics, |
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| 06:07.07 | Legorol | and knowing these specific people that'd have been near impossible ^^ |
| 06:07.55 | Jinivus | Clad rows? |
| 06:08.00 | Legorol | yup |
| 06:08.18 | Jinivus | where abouts in the world? |
| 06:08.55 | Legorol | Oxford, UK |
| 06:08.57 | Shirik | oxford |
| 06:09.24 | Jinivus | decent |
| 06:09.29 | Jinivus | < Also rows |
| 06:09.37 | Legorol | AnduinLothar: how does a ret pali stop oom-ing? |
| 06:09.38 | Shirik | < doesn't row |
| 06:09.41 | Jinivus | < Aus |
| 06:09.52 | Shirik | < doesn't do anythin physical except type all day on a keyboard. Fingers ar e very strong |
| 06:09.54 | Legorol | and what can a ret pali do that they can't normally if they get a spriest on them? |
| 06:09.54 | AnduinLothar | get full t6 |
| 06:09.59 | NightHawkTheSane | seal & judgement of wisdom? |
| 06:10.04 | NightHawkTheSane | blessing of wisdom? |
| 06:10.10 | Legorol | wouldn't that gimp their dps |
| 06:10.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Ha, I can use UnitGUID() for player identification now |
| 06:10.15 | ScytheBlade1 | So. Much. Win. |
| 06:10.19 | Jinivus | in pvp or pve? |
| 06:10.21 | AnduinLothar | onyl in your grp with 1 pally lego |
| 06:10.27 | NightHawkTheSane | if they're oom, they're dps is gimped anyway |
| 06:10.59 | Syzgyn | ScytheBlade1: Share? |
| 06:11.02 | AnduinLothar | ideally you have 3 pallies, get kings/wis/might, an enh shammy with wf str and mana spring, and have your holy pallies judge wis and light |
| 06:11.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Syzgyn: just for addon "who is who" identification |
| 06:11.26 | Syzgyn | oooh |
| 06:11.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Syzgyn: instead of storing player names I store GUIDs and map them to names |
| 06:11.30 | Legorol | Jinivus: raid |
| 06:11.32 | Syzgyn | gotcha |
| 06:11.39 | AnduinLothar | judgement of wis + wisdom + mana totem + pots is usually enough |
| 06:11.54 | Syzgyn | wasnt someone writing a lib that did that before UnitGUID() was announced? |
| 06:12.01 | Legorol | AnduinLothar: i think what you described would only work in 25-man |
| 06:12.08 | Legorol | actually that's a point |
| 06:12.15 | AnduinLothar | nah, it works in 10 man |
| 06:12.16 | Legorol | i should start flogging our holy palis to start judging things |
| 06:12.21 | AnduinLothar | you just need 2 pallies |
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| 06:12.29 | Legorol | for some reason there's a culture of holy paly's standing back at range |
| 06:12.39 | Legorol | that must change |
| 06:12.42 | AnduinLothar | yup. i have to remind our pallies every fight |
| 06:12.58 | AnduinLothar | I've got 1 that judges reliably, so i have him to wis |
| 06:13.03 | Legorol | Jinivus: scroll up. I won't bother to explain why exactly that's the issue :) |
| 06:13.28 | AnduinLothar | and 2pc T6 helps a lot |
| 06:13.42 | Legorol | AnduinLothar: remind me, is it the judging pali's melee hits that refreshes the judge? |
| 06:14.16 | AnduinLothar | yes, chance to, but only his. Crusader Strike also refreshes all judgements 20s |
| 06:14.17 | Legorol | so in any fight where being close to the boss is not a problem, should the holy palis just stand there auto-attacking the boss? |
| 06:14.33 | AnduinLothar | no. ret shoudl be able to keep them up with crusader strike |
| 06:14.39 | AnduinLothar | that's one of the benifits of a ret |
| 06:14.45 | Legorol | oh, it refreshes *other* palis too? |
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| 06:14.49 | Legorol | awesome, didn't know that |
| 06:14.51 | Legorol | learn something every day |
| 06:14.59 | NightHawkTheSane | thats more or less the real point of having a ret pally |
| 06:15.01 | AnduinLothar | you just have to get them to judge int he beginning and any time after the ret pally has to stay out for a while |
| 06:15.01 | Legorol | as a good raid leader, i like to know the ins and outs of all the classes/specs |
| 06:15.03 | Legorol | but it's ahrd |
| 06:15.27 | Legorol | i think our palis will hate me |
| 06:15.32 | Legorol | i'm going to make them start judging stuff |
| 06:15.36 | Legorol | and we have no ret pali usually ^^ |
| 06:15.38 | AnduinLothar | good. make them do something other than stand there |
| 06:15.57 | AnduinLothar | if you dont have a ret, it's almost not worth judging unless you can stand in melee |
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| 06:17.16 | AnduinLothar | and even then it takes practice to auto attack every few seconds to refresh. and it works better if you can cast without retargetting |
| 06:17.31 | AnduinLothar | i use a mouseover heal macro |
| 06:18.02 | Legorol | isn't casting without retargeting just a simple matter of pressing the spell *first* before selecting your target? |
| 06:18.06 | AnduinLothar | judgement of light especially helps in fights with aoe silences. cause it acts liek a hot |
| 06:18.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Does anyone know if the WoW console still prints semi-debug messages when you learn new tradeskills/spells/etc? |
| 06:18.26 | Legorol | also, if you don't change target, any disadvantage ever to autoattacking? |
| 06:18.33 | Legorol | (assuming the boss doesn't have a nasty aura of some sort) |
| 06:18.39 | AnduinLothar | cant cast and attack at the same time |
| 06:18.50 | Legorol | you can't? |
| 06:18.53 | AnduinLothar | no |
| 06:18.55 | Legorol | hmmm |
| 06:18.59 | AnduinLothar | casting takes both hands |
| 06:19.01 | Legorol | my priest seems to be able to just fine |
| 06:19.22 | Legorol | what i mean is, yeah the auto-attack stops for a bit, |
| 06:19.23 | AnduinLothar | it stays in attack mode. but you cant swing while casting |
| 06:19.27 | Legorol | but i as a player don't have to do anything |
| 06:19.31 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 06:19.34 | Legorol | ah ok, then we are saying the same thing |
| 06:19.35 | AnduinLothar | you have to stop casting |
| 06:19.42 | Legorol | got it |
| 06:19.43 | AnduinLothar | which isn't anti-pally |
| 06:20.00 | AnduinLothar | pallies should be spammign back to back flashes with an occational holy light |
| 06:20.35 | AnduinLothar | unelss you nyl have pally healers |
| 06:21.01 | AnduinLothar | which is* anti-pally |
| 06:21.18 | Legorol | sooo is it worth trying to get them to judge then? |
| 06:21.23 | Legorol | if there is no ret pali |
| 06:21.40 | AnduinLothar | eh, maybe. depends on how good they are |
| 06:21.47 | AnduinLothar | no need to judge on trash rly |
| 06:21.49 | AnduinLothar | onyl bosses |
| 06:21.51 | Legorol | would *you* do it when youa re holy? |
| 06:21.56 | Legorol | yeah sure |
| 06:22.02 | Legorol | optimizing for trash usually just wastes time |
| 06:22.04 | AnduinLothar | i usually do if i can stay in melee |
| 06:22.21 | Legorol | wtb clued up raiders, got a few 1000 gold |
| 06:22.23 | AnduinLothar | otherwise i may judge in the beginning and then back off |
| 06:22.41 | AnduinLothar | if you have a ret it's worth rejudging if it drops every time |
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| 06:23.13 | AnduinLothar | the problem is that most healers dont have the enemy targetted and have no idea when their judge drops |
| 06:23.41 | AnduinLothar | so they have to change their whole play style to have the hostile always targetted and queue heals |
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| 06:24.04 | AnduinLothar | which isn't esp trivial |
| 06:24.30 | Xuerian | Clique much? o_0 |
| 06:24.42 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 06:24.43 | Xuerian | Clique + Chronometer = Win |
| 06:24.52 | Gngsk | focus target? |
| 06:25.01 | AnduinLothar | i jsut macro it, but clique works. i'm just saying, changing the way another person heals is like digging a pit in quicksand |
| 06:25.04 | Corrodias | cast spell then click on recipient! |
| 06:25.30 | AnduinLothar | it's messy and nearly impossible |
| 06:25.36 | Xuerian | Corrodias: I can't imagine people who do that, but with all clicks... <Click, click> <Click, click> <Click, click> |
| 06:26.08 | Xuerian | AnduinLothar: Like pulling teeth, really |
| 06:26.14 | AnduinLothar | i usually hotkey the heal and hover my mouse over the target's frame |
| 06:26.33 | AnduinLothar | takes no brainpower |
| 06:26.46 | AnduinLothar | worse than whack a mole i dont even have to click |
| 06:26.52 | Xuerian | heh |
| 06:27.08 | Xuerian | I keep forgetting my lock's bindings |
| 06:27.13 | AnduinLothar | that's why i play ret now |
| 06:27.18 | Xuerian | All clicks and all modifiers are bound |
| 06:27.19 | AnduinLothar | much more interactive |
| 06:27.26 | AnduinLothar | and i have to pay more attention |
| 06:27.30 | AnduinLothar | and dont fall asleep |
| 06:27.59 | AnduinLothar | plus i'm a glutton for punishment and have a tendency to route for the under dog |
| 06:28.24 | Xuerian | Loosely translated to; "I like to play the fun specs" |
| 06:28.56 | AnduinLothar | fun specs that get made fun of and under appreciated and berated, sure |
| 06:29.26 | AnduinLothar | i respec prot for Hyjal usually. It's a whole lot easier for the raid and pretty fun for me |
| 06:29.32 | Xuerian | Feral druids, Enh shaman, Ret pallies, Shadow priests, etc. |
| 06:29.41 | Legorol | random shaman question: |
| 06:29.50 | Legorol | is there a shaman totem that increases spell crit chance? |
| 06:29.57 | Xuerian | Totem of Wrath? o_0 |
| 06:30.00 | Legorol | for some reason a destro lock insisted on being put with the shaman |
| 06:30.06 | AnduinLothar | not rly comparable Xuerian, everyone loves those specs cept ret |
| 06:30.11 | Legorol | isn't that +spell dmg? |
| 06:30.36 | AnduinLothar | i thinkt hey have a crit and spell dmg |
| 06:30.38 | Xuerian | AnduinLothar: Fine, swap in balance druids :p. |
| 06:30.46 | AnduinLothar | there you go |
| 06:30.55 | Legorol | balance druids are awesome! |
| 06:31.02 | Legorol | we used to have one but he left us, such a pity |
| 06:31.06 | AnduinLothar | moonkins get abotu the same wrap as ret, except they at least have 1 rly good buff that all the casters want |
| 06:31.11 | Xuerian | I don't like ret pallies, but that's merely because they're usually the ones smacking me in the face for $PAIN |
| 06:31.14 | Legorol | not only did he do awesome dps, he could actually take some beating and tank stuff |
| 06:31.45 | AnduinLothar | the ret buffs are spred out between a bunch of things and they're all tallents that DONT EFFECT TOOLTIPS! |
| 06:32.01 | Xuerian | Heheh |
| 06:32.07 | AnduinLothar | so all the ignoramusus think we're useless |
| 06:32.22 | Legorol | do unignore me, AnduinLothar: |
| 06:32.29 | Legorol | apart from the 2% from sanctity, what else do ou bring? |
| 06:32.32 | NightHawkTheSane | see, i'm just an idiot who knows what the buffs do, and STILL thinks you're useless. ;) |
| 06:32.33 | Xuerian | I duno; I've seen too many videos of ret pallies critting for 5k 6 times in a row to think you're useless |
| 06:32.39 | NightHawkTheSane | 3% raid wide crit, an extra bop, blessing |
| 06:32.57 | NightHawkTheSane | judgements from all your pallys |
| 06:32.57 | Legorol | what's the 3% raid wide crit? |
| 06:33.08 | AnduinLothar | judgement of crusader |
| 06:33.49 | AnduinLothar | plus they can keep up wis/light from your holy pallies for liek 60mp5 and 40hp5 |
| 06:34.01 | AnduinLothar | for anyone attackign the boss |
| 06:34.30 | Legorol | i don't get it |
| 06:34.30 | Legorol | is that when it's talented? |
| 06:34.30 | NightHawkTheSane | crusader, yes |
| 06:34.30 | Legorol | aha |
| 06:34.30 | AnduinLothar | no, that's crusader strike that refreshes then |
| 06:34.30 | AnduinLothar | them* |
| 06:34.31 | Legorol | i don' mean the refresh part |
| 06:34.33 | Legorol | i meant the 3% crit |
| 06:34.36 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 06:34.38 | AnduinLothar | tallented |
| 06:34.49 | AnduinLothar | melee & spell |
| 06:35.02 | AnduinLothar | and imp might, has more +ap |
| 06:35.37 | Drundia | spells too? doesn't tooltip only say "attacks"? |
| 06:35.51 | AnduinLothar | all crits, spell & melee & ranged |
| 06:35.59 | Legorol | so a judged crusader sounds more useful then a boomkin |
| 06:36.08 | Legorol | next time i have a chance, i'll kick out the boomkin and replace with ret pali :D |
| 06:36.22 | NightHawkTheSane | well, boomkins bring more than just moonkin aura too |
| 06:36.25 | AnduinLothar | depends. %5 spell crit aura benifits healers too |
| 06:36.30 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 06:36.38 | Xuerian | Get both? |
| 06:36.51 | Legorol | healers shouldn't rely on crits though... they need to be able to keep the tanks up without |
| 06:36.55 | Legorol | since it's not guaranteed |
| 06:36.55 | AnduinLothar | judge of crusader only effects attacks ont he judged target |
| 06:37.00 | Legorol | sure it saves some mana, but still |
| 06:37.05 | NightHawkTheSane | rely on and helps out are not the same. :P |
| 06:37.14 | AnduinLothar | tell that to your crit pallies, lego |
| 06:37.20 | AnduinLothar | 35% crit anyone? |
| 06:37.33 | Legorol | i have 30% in my dps gear and i'm a prot warrior |
| 06:37.38 | Drundia | Boomkings bring Improved Faerie Fire also = +3% Hit Melee and Ranged |
| 06:37.40 | AnduinLothar | i'm talkign spell crit |
| 06:38.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Drundia: dont forget innervate and brez. |
| 06:38.02 | AnduinLothar | 30% unbuffed, 37% buffed isn't unheard of |
| 06:38.05 | Legorol | Drundia: again, one of those things that's useless unless you can guarantee the boomkin is there every time |
| 06:38.20 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: same applys to any class, moot argument |
| 06:38.21 | Legorol | otherwise the raid members have to reach their hit cap anywa |
| 06:38.36 | Legorol | NightHawkTheSane: i think you are missing the point |
| 06:38.43 | Legorol | there are some buffs which are that, buffs, so extra goodies |
| 06:38.58 | Legorol | there are some buffs which, depending on whether it's present or absent, make you change your gear |
| 06:39.04 | Legorol | like the +3% hit |
| 06:39.05 | AnduinLothar | faerie fire is NOT for hit at later raids. it's all about armor ignore. |
| 06:39.12 | Legorol | if you know it's there, you can drop some hit rating and get other stats |
| 06:39.47 | AnduinLothar | plus almost any duel weilder needs +hit until they have full t6 |
| 06:40.20 | Legorol | actually, only rogues.. |
| 06:40.32 | NightHawkTheSane | wars and shaman would |
| 06:40.32 | AnduinLothar | wars too |
| 06:40.34 | Legorol | it's a common misconception that fury warriors do |
| 06:40.40 | NightHawkTheSane | especially since they dont itemize for hit as much |
| 06:40.44 | Legorol | ok i don't know nothing about shamans, so i'll shut up there |
| 06:40.56 | Xuerian | Shaman hit cap easier due to talents |
| 06:40.57 | AnduinLothar | yeah enh shams never itemize for hit, so it benifits them |
| 06:40.57 | Legorol | but for fury: they don't actually need it, they just think they do |
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| 06:41.02 | Drundia | Doesn't everyone go down in hit ratings with SP gear? |
| 06:41.19 | NightHawkTheSane | Xuerian: yeah, but they dont itemize heavily for it, so they're not typically capped |
| 06:41.37 | Legorol | NightHawkTheSane: surely they hit the 9% cap though? |
| 06:41.39 | AnduinLothar | yeah because str > hit for shams |
| 06:41.43 | Legorol | oh wait, you said dual wield |
| 06:41.46 | Legorol | never mind me |
| 06:41.47 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 06:41.48 | AnduinLothar | 9% is 2h cap |
| 06:41.52 | Legorol | yeah yeah |
| 06:41.54 | Legorol | <- sleepy |
| 06:42.09 | AnduinLothar | 9% you can hit in t5 gear |
| 06:42.19 | Legorol | for shaman? or in general |
| 06:42.23 | Legorol | you can hit it much sooner |
| 06:42.23 | AnduinLothar | most classes |
| 06:42.42 | Legorol | i didn't have T4 and i hit it on my warrior |
| 06:42.42 | NightHawkTheSane | shaman shouldnt be raiding with 2h anyway |
| 06:42.44 | Shirik | any masters of algebra around? |
| 06:43.05 | AnduinLothar | wearing all plate lego? |
| 06:43.09 | Legorol | it's a matter of choice really |
| 06:43.11 | Legorol | yup AnduinLothar |
| 06:43.18 | Legorol | if i prioritised hit rating, i could reach it |
| 06:43.34 | Legorol | there are some nice blue trinkets, what'sitcalled one that gives +30 hit rating for example |
| 06:43.41 | Legorol | "poor mans' poison vial", i forget its name |
| 06:43.44 | AnduinLothar | i hit it in kara, but i had like every availible hit piece at that lvl |
| 06:44.07 | AnduinLothar | the pally t4 ret was useless at the time |
| 06:44.18 | Legorol | i was around 200 hit rating before fully T4, when i decided to start dropping some of it |
| 06:44.33 | AnduinLothar | mk |
| 06:44.38 | Legorol | sorry i should clarify: by T4 i mean T4 level epics or lower |
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| 06:44.46 | Legorol | not necessarily the T4 set |
| 06:45.01 | Legorol | i still only have one T4 dps set item |
| 06:45.03 | AnduinLothar | well i know our t6 enh sham isn't hit capped |
| 06:45.09 | AnduinLothar | because for them str > hit |
| 06:45.29 | AnduinLothar | and they have basicly infinite mana |
| 06:45.38 | Legorol | but he is dual wielding, right? |
| 06:45.40 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 06:45.46 | Legorol | basically same thing as with fury warriors |
| 06:45.56 | Legorol | for fury as well, it's never worth specifically going beyond the 9% |
| 06:45.58 | Legorol | if you get it, great |
| 06:46.00 | AnduinLothar | except fury wars try to be capped iirc |
| 06:46.04 | Legorol | but not worth deliberately going for it |
| 06:46.10 | Legorol | that's a popular error |
| 06:46.15 | Legorol | they don't need to and shouldn't |
| 06:46.18 | AnduinLothar | mk |
| 06:46.33 | Legorol | they must have the 9%, after that the rest is bonus, but they should get str/ap/crit |
| 06:46.50 | Legorol | for example, never gem for hit rating, usually you get enough on items at T5 or above |
| 06:46.58 | AnduinLothar | guess your right. maxdps.com is showing a major advantage to str over hit |
| 06:47.16 | AnduinLothar | for ret pally +hit is the biggest dps increase |
| 06:47.20 | AnduinLothar | till cap |
| 06:47.23 | Legorol | i may not know much about other classes, but i do know my WarriorFu |
| 06:47.35 | Legorol | wouldn't ret pally use a 2H tough? |
| 06:47.40 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 06:47.40 | Legorol | so by cap, you mean the 9%? |
| 06:47.43 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 06:47.49 | Legorol | well that's true for all physical dps classes |
| 06:47.53 | Legorol | they should reach the 9% cap asap |
| 06:47.57 | AnduinLothar | usually they get 3% in tallents, but i think that's a waste of good points |
| 06:48.21 | Legorol | getting 9% goes without saying for everyone |
| 06:48.31 | Legorol | it's only whether you should go above or not that's debatable |
| 06:49.51 | Shirik | Nobody wants a challenge? :( |
| 06:50.00 | Legorol | what's the challenge? |
| 06:50.12 | Shirik | just how to get from one equation to another in algebra |
| 06:50.16 | Legorol | shoot |
| 06:50.22 | Legorol | if i'm awake enough, i'll have a go |
| 06:50.26 | Shirik | Ignore all the crazy EE stuff, just go to the bottom: |
| 06:50.44 | Shirik | How does he get from the equation marked "Unknowns" to the equation marked "(1)" ? http://images.gammatester.com/pics/afdc94132b3bebbca7bb6ae2795d0d39.jpg |
| 06:51.02 | Shirik | it should just be algebraic manipulation |
| 06:51.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Wow this laptop audio _sucks_ |
| 06:51.25 | ScytheBlade1 | First off, laptop speakers. Fail. |
| 06:51.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Second, the headphone jack has massive interference and feedback |
| 06:51.41 | Legorol | ok Shirik: YOU are the one asleep |
| 06:51.46 | Shirik | :( |
| 06:51.49 | Legorol | it is obvious manipulation: |
| 06:52.25 | Legorol | break up the fractions: (Vs1-Vb/R1) = Vs1/R1 - Vb/R1, same for the other on RHS |
| 06:52.34 | Legorol | then just move both negative terms over to the other side |
| 06:52.37 | Legorol | that's it |
| 06:52.44 | Legorol | blah, i put bracket wrong |
| 06:52.51 | Legorol | (Vs1-Vb)/R1 = Vs1/R1 - Vb/R1 |
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| 06:53.21 | Shirik | ha |
| 06:53.23 | Shirik | I see it now, thanks |
| 06:53.32 | Legorol | yay, i was awake enough |
| 06:53.52 | Shirik | I knew it couldn't be complicated, it just wasn't coming together >< |
| 06:54.28 | Legorol | is this some kind of crazy potential divider? |
| 06:55.08 | Legorol | looks that way |
| 06:55.21 | Shirik | it's not really that complicated I don't think |
| 06:55.41 | AbsoSleeping | Blizzard just sent me an email about my paid name change on my druid...that I did about 3 weeks ago. :| |
| 06:56.02 | Shirik | This is the problem: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/a2c17b6eed4cbc99ce9d91a2007faac1.jpg |
| 06:56.45 | Shirik | It's so much easier just using superposition.... |
| 06:56.53 | Shirik | but he wants us to use node analysis blah blah |
| 06:57.43 | AnduinLothar | oh god. circuitry clas was what made me switch majors from computer science &engineering to Information & computer science |
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| 06:58.34 | Shirik | anyway, back to studying |
| 06:58.35 | Shirik | thanks Legorol |
| 06:58.41 | Legorol | np |
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| 07:27.26 | enum | this makes my eyes bleed... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confidence_interval |
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| 08:40.12 | Thezanke | Once upon a time.. I had an addon that would auto complete item links if i started typing them |
| 08:40.21 | Thezanke | anyone know what did/does that? |
| 08:40.26 | cladhaire | gazmik fizzwidgets linkerator |
| 08:40.27 | cladhaire | for one |
| 08:40.34 | Thezanke | <3 |
| 08:40.38 | Thezanke | I love you |
| 08:40.42 | Thezanke | I hope you know that |
| 08:40.55 | Thezanke | still works? |
| 08:42.58 | cladhaire | should |
| 08:44.33 | Nechckn | yes, it works well Fizzwidget.com |
| 08:45.28 | Nechckn | btw... if you really like it, don't forget to "tip the engineer" as gazzmik suggests =) |
| 08:46.07 | Thezanke | better not blow up or turn me into a pig or something |
| 08:47.10 | Nechckn | it very well may.... use caution! |
| 08:47.40 | Nechckn | his other addons are quite nice too- especially if you have a hunter somewhere |
| 08:48.11 | Nechckn | I use 'em all myself and have never had any sort of issue |
| 08:48.37 | Nechckn | how he does it, we'll never know- you must have to have 450 Eng to comprehend such things |
| 08:52.37 | enum | hey, PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED should fire _any_ time I select a target right? |
| 08:52.48 | cladhaire | yes |
| 08:52.49 | enum | I'm not getting anything in my event function |
| 08:52.58 | enum | ok, just making sure I'm not crazy, thanks |
| 08:52.59 | cladhaire | run /dtevents |
| 08:53.04 | cladhaire | it will tell you exactly what fires |
| 08:53.05 | cladhaire | and when |
| 08:53.05 | Tem | then you did something wrong |
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| 08:53.47 | enum | Tem: I figured I might have been, it looks right to me. I just figured I would double check what I read on the wiki |
| 08:56.16 | cladhaire | you shoudl use /dtevents |
| 08:56.26 | cladhaire | there won't be much of a doubt then :P |
| 08:59.58 | enum | yeah, i see it fire in dt events |
| 09:00.12 | enum | just doesn't seem to trigger the event function |
| 09:00.19 | enum | thanks |
| 09:13.43 | [Ammo] | enum: did you register the event on your frame? |
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| 09:34.29 | Nom- | hmm no US downtime today? :D |
| 09:35.06 | durcyn | ~wowalert |
| 09:35.08 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US), http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) |
| 09:35.24 | AnduinLothar | 3am-11am |
| 09:35.31 | AnduinLothar | starts in 25min |
| 09:35.38 | Nom- | hmmm wierd |
| 09:35.42 | Nom- | i get no message on the login screen |
| 09:36.07 | zenzio | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/04/27/funny-pictures-opacity-0-30-60-100/ |
| 09:38.15 | Tem | woot! |
| 09:38.20 | Tem | just discovered earth to life |
| 09:39.12 | Nom- | no lvl 70 for me tonight then |
| 09:39.16 | Nom- | *sigh* |
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| 10:03.06 | AbsoRayne | http://www.freewebs.com/absorayne/WoWScrnShot%5F042808%5F220422.png Any thoughts? |
| 10:05.33 | Tem | AbsoRayne, I don't like the way your chat box is floating by itself |
| 10:06.14 | AnduinLothar | wtb information on screen |
| 10:06.40 | Tem | what other information does he need? |
| 10:07.08 | AnduinLothar | nothing when he's not in combat :) |
| 10:08.22 | foxlit | faster server / interlaced pngs / better compression, imo :) |
| 10:08.40 | foxlit | And multisampling. :) |
| 10:09.08 | haste | small chat is small |
| 10:09.16 | haste | and odd positioned timestamp |
| 10:12.56 | AnduinLothar | needs more sexy imo |
| 10:13.14 | AnduinLothar | but then i'm nto a fan of square unit frames for anything but raid members |
| 10:13.55 | josephy | hi guys |
| 10:13.58 | AnduinLothar | i do like the tim eabove the chatframe tho |
| 10:16.47 | cladhaire | Why on earth does Blizzard ask for personal and financial information over email |
| 10:16.53 | cladhaire | that makes absolutely no sense to me. |
| 10:17.25 | Elkano | without your account name and password I can't help you on that matter |
| 10:17.39 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 10:23.35 | leethal | 3000 rating? http://armory.wow-europe.com/team-info.xml?r=Burning+Legion&ts=2&t=DonLolo+z+Wladem&select=DonLolo+z+Wladem |
| 10:28.37 | AnduinLothar | 98% win this week... wtf |
| 10:28.52 | Jinivus | omfg. |
| 10:29.46 | AnduinLothar | gg |
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| 10:35.47 | _rane | it's called win trading, boys |
| 10:37.06 | AnduinLothar | should be illegal |
| 10:38.38 | AnduinLothar | how do i cenvert -2/3 to a floatign poitn binary ieee format |
| 10:38.49 | _rane | it is illegal |
| 10:39.05 | foxlit | was in zomghonorsystem, at least |
| 10:40.31 | foxlit | AL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floating_point |
| 10:40.56 | Arcaia | I run Paladin Rogue -> we only lose to the teams that are far better geared than us |
| 10:41.07 | Arcaia | I figure if we were both geared, we'd be flawlesss |
| 10:41.16 | Arcaia | because I can even make a druid/war sweat =/ |
| 10:41.42 | Arcaia | if they formed the team already geared |
| 10:41.49 | Arcaia | i could see a crazy high win percentage |
| 10:44.52 | AnduinLothar | foxlit: that doesn't say how to convert froma fraction to a floating point tho |
| 10:45.07 | AnduinLothar | and it's almost 4am. i'm tired |
| 10:49.19 | Drundia | first you convert it to binary fraction i believe |
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| 11:21.20 | art3mis | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgM5qJUrbN4 |
| 11:22.50 | art3mis | MurlocHolmes <-- awesome name |
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| 11:40.20 | [Liq] | Hi everyone :-) |
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| 11:48.04 | Shot | why would a for i, v in pairs(t) do.. miss some parts of a table? |
| 11:48.23 | batrick | it would ifyou add to the table while traversing it |
| 11:48.28 | Shot | that is - completely skipping some, the same ones every time |
| 11:48.44 | Shot | I don't think i to :/ |
| 11:48.46 | Shot | *do |
| 11:48.52 | batrick | pastey code |
| 11:49.17 | Shot | http://ace.pastey.net/86870 |
| 11:49.22 | JoshBorke | shot: if it has a meta table in it, then yes, it is possible to skip some |
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| 11:49.58 | batrick | they'd have to mess with pairs(), not a metatable |
| 11:50.19 | foxlit | pairs() actually whines at you if you add stuff to the table while iterating using it |
| 11:50.28 | Shot | updated http://ace.pastey.net/86870 with the whole function |
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| 11:50.50 | Shot | you can see that the table is created before it is used |
| 11:50.51 | foxlit | Check that they exist with rawget? |
| 11:51.22 | batrick | lines 23-25 is your problem |
| 11:51.32 | batrick | err, no it isn't |
| 11:51.34 | batrick | sry |
| 11:51.41 | JoshBorke | no, we can't see that the table is set |
| 11:51.52 | JoshBorke | all you showed us is a loop over a table |
| 11:52.02 | Shot | JoshBorke, reload page |
| 11:52.05 | Shot | i updated the pastey |
| 11:52.19 | Shot | the table "t" is created at the start of the function |
| 11:52.27 | Shot | values are placed in it with tinsert |
| 11:52.28 | JoshBorke | shot: don't reuse variables like that and make them more descriptive |
| 11:53.07 | JoshBorke | it's quite possible you're running into scope issues |
| 11:53.12 | foxlit | (also: you do not need to declare variables you use in for loops; they're automatically local) |
| 11:53.32 | foxlit | [to the loop] |
| 11:54.16 | foxlit | but meh, I can' see anything wrong with what you're doing. |
| 11:55.46 | Shot | I have just noticed that 42-43 are the wrong way round |
| 11:55.49 | Shot | but that's another matter :) |
| 11:56.44 | Orionshock | shot, why are you declaring vt as a table twice? |
| 11:56.48 | Orionshock | line 2 and 6 |
| 11:57.25 | Shot | because somehow, it wasn't overwriting things |
| 11:57.34 | Shot | without line 6 setting it to {}, it was keeping old values |
| 11:57.37 | foxlit | The second line is not a declaration |
| 11:57.52 | foxlit | 2 says "I have a local variable called vt that happens to be a table" |
| 11:58.00 | foxlit | 6 says "I'd like vt to be a new table" |
| 11:58.34 | Orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:58.37 | foxlit | You're wasting a single allocated table (one vt defaults to at declaration isn't ever used) |
| 11:58.39 | Orionshock | nonetheless.. |
| 11:58.56 | foxlit | But that's minor and doesn't really affect what things do |
| 11:59.21 | Shot | surely declaring it as a local in each iteration would be less efficient |
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| 11:59.41 | batrick | nope |
| 11:59.43 | Shot | what i really wonder, is why it doesn't overwrite values when I don't reset it |
| 11:59.44 | batrick | http://ace.pastey.net/86871 |
| 11:59.52 | batrick | those are some improvements |
| 12:00.52 | Shot | i see |
| 12:01.01 | Orionshock | what's self:countSources(i) doing? |
| 12:01.03 | krka | a local declaration doesn't actually translate into any specific bytecode |
| 12:01.33 | Shot | Orionshock: makes sure .notes, .sources are set in the table self.db.realm.data[i] |
| 12:02.54 | batrick | Shot: are you sure it's skipping values? |
| 12:03.07 | Shot | not any more :/ |
| 12:03.19 | batrick | that is, are you printing #t before the for loop and counting the iterations at the start of the loop? |
| 12:03.40 | Shot | i think it was when I wasn't just setting t[i].hide and checking for it later when displaying - I was using tremove(t, i) |
| 12:03.46 | batrick | btw, it appears you should be using ipairs and not pairs() |
| 12:04.33 | Shot | true |
| 12:04.58 | Shot | would it actually be better to use "for i, #t do" then work with t[i]? |
| 12:05.23 | batrick | technically yes, but ipairs is nice and clear |
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| 12:06.32 | batrick | for i,v in ipairs(t) do, let's you have two locals with copies of i and v... so you if you are continuously doing t[i], then you are wasting cpu time by getting the value over and over |
| 12:08.20 | JoshBorke | pairs is faster, no? |
| 12:08.26 | JoshBorke | and if you don't care about order it doesn't matter? |
| 12:09.03 | batrick | ipairs is faster than pairs always |
| 12:09.25 | JoshBorke | really? i didn't know that :-) learn something new every day |
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| 12:21.33 | krka | i am not sure ipairs is faster than pairs actually |
| 12:24.26 | krka | i get the following ordering: plain wins, followed by pairs, followed by ipairs |
| 12:24.36 | krka | ipairs and pairs are close though |
| 12:24.47 | batrick | !lua t = {}; for i = 1, 1e6 do t[i] = math.random() end |
| 12:24.50 | batrick | !lua local d = os.clock(); for i,v in ipairs(t) do end print(os.clock()-d) |
| 12:24.51 | batbot | batrick: 0.17 |
| 12:24.54 | batrick | !lua local d = os.clock(); for i,v in pairs(t) do end print(os.clock()-d) |
| 12:24.55 | batbot | batrick: 0.77 |
| 12:25.05 | batrick | run that a couple times privately if you want more iterations |
| 12:25.11 | krka | http://pastey.net/86873 |
| 12:25.13 | krka | that's my test |
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| 12:26.47 | foxlit | !lua local d = os.clock(); for i,v in pairs(t) do end print(os.clock()-d) |
| 12:26.48 | batbot | foxlit: 0.74 |
| 12:26.53 | foxlit | That's interesting |
| 12:27.05 | foxlit | I get a wildly different result locally - they take approximately the same time |
| 12:27.28 | foxlit | If anything, ipairs is .017s slower |
| 12:27.56 | foxlit | The bot must be defective :) |
| 12:27.57 | krka | that's what i said! |
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| 12:28.58 | Orionshock | your also not doing anything with it... tho i don't think that would matter -.- |
| 12:29.41 | foxlit | !lua _VERSION |
| 12:29.42 | batbot | foxlit: > Lua 5.1 |
| 12:29.56 | foxlit | helpful :/ |
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| 12:59.47 | Shot | Anyone got any clever string alphanumerical comparison function lying around, which converts silly characters with accents to a "normal" version? |
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| 13:02.34 | Cairenn|afk | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/04/28/funny-pictures-sez-self-kleening/ |
| 13:04.22 | Cairenn|afk | HAH! http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/04/28/funny-pictures-how-bouts-you-get-life/ |
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| 13:05.14 | Guest328 | hey |
| 13:05.18 | Cairenn|afk | hi |
| 13:05.27 | Guest328 | is WoW wurkin fo U? |
| 13:05.51 | Cairenn|afk | you US? |
| 13:05.53 | Guest328 | ALL servers are offlinE W/ ME |
| 13:05.57 | Guest328 | ye im us |
| 13:06.22 | Cairenn|afk | it's tuesday - regular scheduled maintenance, same as it's been ever since the game went live |
| 13:06.31 | Guest328 | oh |
| 13:06.42 | Guest328 | usually im at school but sick |
| 13:06.46 | Cairenn|afk | ah |
| 13:06.52 | Guest328 | how long does it take? |
| 13:07.02 | Cairenn|afk | should say on the launcher |
| 13:07.18 | Guest328 | kk |
| 13:07.27 | Guest328 | it doesnt |
| 13:08.02 | Guest328 | yah .... nuthin |
| 13:08.06 | Saint-N | whos got a link for the giant 1000lb squid |
| 13:08.31 | Guest328 | hey |
| 13:08.33 | Guest328 | dude |
| 13:08.40 | Guest328 | can u hel me out? |
| 13:08.47 | Guest328 | hel* |
| 13:08.50 | dylanm | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert |
| 13:08.51 | wereHamster | with what? |
| 13:08.51 | Guest328 | help* |
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| 13:09.06 | Guest328 | wut |
| 13:09.08 | Cairenn|afk | thanks dylanm, didn't have the link handy |
| 13:09.21 | wereHamster | ~alert |
| 13:09.22 | purl | I'm falling asleep listening to you boring morons... |
| 13:09.22 | Cairenn|afk | should bot that |
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| 13:10.13 | Guest368 | hey, what time is 11 central? |
| 13:10.31 | Guest368 | 11ST>>>>central |
| 13:10.47 | Guest368 | whats the diff |
| 13:10.58 | Guest368 | btween cantral and pacific |
| 13:11.05 | Cairenn|afk | 2 hrs |
| 13:11.11 | Guest368 | sure? |
| 13:11.14 | wereHamster | http://www.timeanddate.com/ |
| 13:11.17 | Guest368 | iznt it 3? |
| 13:11.57 | Cairenn|afk | I'm positive |
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| 13:12.12 | Cairenn|afk | oi |
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| 13:12.33 | Guest677 | rs |
| 13:12.33 | Guest677 | 2hrs |
| 13:12.40 | Cairenn|afk | that's what we said, yup |
| 13:12.59 | Guest677 | fuck |
| 13:13.02 | Guest677 | untill |
| 13:13.07 | Guest677 | 1oklok |
| 13:13.13 | *** join/#wowuidev ncd|Aileen (n=Dave@213.216.23.2) |
| 13:13.15 | Guest677 | until 1 oklok |
| 13:13.20 | Cairenn|afk | o'clock |
| 13:13.22 | Cairenn|afk | sheesh |
| 13:13.25 | Guest677 | oklok |
| 13:13.36 | Guest677 | dumbass |
| 13:13.39 | Guest677 | jk |
| 13:13.50 | Cairenn|afk | you are >< close to being kicked |
| 13:14.05 | wereHamster | also change your nick if you want to stay... |
| 13:14.10 | Cairenn|afk | please |
| 13:14.11 | Guest677 | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD DDDDDDOOOOO IIIIIITTTTTT |
| 13:14.16 | Guest677 | DO IT |
| 13:14.22 | Guest677 | PUUSY |
| 13:14.24 | Guest677 | NIGGER |
| 13:14.27 | Guest677 | ASS FUCK |
| 13:14.30 | Guest677 | DICK |
| 13:14.32 | Guest677 | SHIT |
| 13:14.39 | *** kick/#WoWUIDev [Guest677!n=Cairenn@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn] by Cairenn|afk (Cairenn|afk) |
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| 13:15.11 | Lopeppeppy | And people wonder why I hate mornings. |
| 13:15.24 | sacarasc | Cairenn|afk: bad ban... it requires a . in the username |
| 13:16.19 | Cairenn|afk | sacarasc: meh, not really worried about it, just so long as the *cough*person*cough* doesn't come back |
| 13:18.07 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-b *!*.*@c-76-16-108-72.hsd1.in.comcast.net] by Cairenn|afk |
| 13:23.23 | Saint-N | i love that name i saw this morning |
| 13:23.27 | Saint-N | MurlocHolmes |
| 13:23.32 | Saint-N | so awesome it hurts! |
| 13:23.45 | Saint-N | http://www.eviloverlord.com/lists/dungeon_a.html |
| 13:23.55 | Cairenn|afk | rofl |
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| 14:04.59 | Lopeppeppy | Code Monkey bribe accomplished. *checks items off her To Do List* |
| 14:06.47 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, happy lady! |
| 14:07.39 | Saint-N | okay nice lady i love you buh bye! |
| 14:08.07 | Lopeppeppy | Brand new, just in, gotta love me. I'm the baby, gotta love me. |
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| 14:22.01 | Industrial | lulz ding 70 on my sham |
| 14:22.08 | Cairenn|afk | grats |
| 14:22.12 | Industrial | OMG LIOL NOOBS |
| 14:22.19 | Industrial | thanks ^_____^ |
| 14:22.21 | Lopeppeppy | Congratulations! Now you can hunt for upgrades more easily. :) |
| 14:22.28 | Industrial | hehe indeed |
| 14:23.46 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, don't give me migraines. :P |
| 14:23.58 | Cairenn|afk | you can have mine! |
| 14:24.07 | Lopeppeppy | That will be my fate tonight as I farm Consortium rep. *le sigh* |
| 14:24.53 | ralfWORK | ewww why do you need consortium? |
| 14:25.03 | Lopeppeppy | Enchanting recipes. |
| 14:25.11 | ralfWORK | *scratches head* |
| 14:25.21 | ralfWORK | you have like zero rep with them or something? |
| 14:26.33 | Shot | How do I get the name of a player who is trading with me? |
| 14:27.04 | Gotai | UnitName("NPC") |
| 14:27.32 | Lopeppeppy | I have some rep, but not Honored for the ring recipe I CRAVE!!!! Rawr. |
| 14:27.42 | ralfWORK | ok, honored I gotcha |
| 14:28.19 | Shot | Gotai: Surely that would return the name of the NPC I'm currently doing whatever with |
| 14:28.23 | Shot | which may not be trading |
| 14:28.39 | Gotai | Would I say it if it were not true? ;) |
| 14:28.46 | Gotai | I haven't tested it with an NPC window open while trading |
| 14:28.52 | Gotai | But when you're trading, it works just fine. |
| 14:29.17 | Shot | does the trade window close all other windows when it opens? |
| 14:29.25 | Gotai | Not sure |
| 14:30.27 | Gotai | But apart from pulling the name from the trade window itself, this is the only way I know. |
| 14:31.56 | Shot | well |
| 14:32.07 | Shot | it seems the trade frame itself does this: |
| 14:32.09 | Shot | TradeFrameRecipientNameText:SetText(UnitName("NPC")); |
| 14:32.22 | Shot | So I think you win |
| 14:35.45 | zenzelezz | ... of all the weird spam e-mail subjects I've seen, this one beats them all: "Penis theft panic hits city" |
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| 14:36.13 | ckknight | zenzelezz: it's a real story, though |
| 14:37.35 | ckknight | lol |
| 14:38.12 | Lopeppeppy | I love my spam filters, I have no fears about irrational theft of my body parts. |
| 14:38.32 | ckknight | that's cause yours was already stolen |
| 14:39.30 | Lopeppeppy | Which one, dear? *smile* Be sure of your answer. |
| 14:39.55 | ckknight | you've got the penis envy |
| 14:39.56 | ckknight | I can tell |
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| 14:41.35 | ckknight | someone read http://curseforge.com/announcements/forks-and-clones-and-multiple-repositories/ and tell me what you think. |
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| 14:44.52 | Lopeppeppy | Dear, if I had envy, I could go to a licensed therapist to get that worked out. :P |
| 14:45.21 | Nevins | My lua file for an addon I made is now 106k of just text. Is all of that loaded into ram when it's being used. I.E. if I make it like 512k will all of that be loaded into ram at the same time? |
| 14:46.25 | zenzelezz | it would be so easy to make an inappropriate joke about that peppy |
| 14:46.44 | durcyn | 106k, oh my god, you're going to run out of memory and the game will crash, cats and dogs will sleep together, the sky will run red with blood, and the antichrist will let loose his terrible purpose on the world |
| 14:47.01 | durcyn | or, it could be that static memory usage is meaningless, and you shouldn't worry so much |
| 14:47.10 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz, if you fear offending others, send it via PM. If you fear offending me, you can have my therapist for a while, my treat. :) |
| 14:47.28 | Nevins | So 3-4 gigs on a text file would still be the same. |
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| 14:47.49 | durcyn | well, no, obviously not, but you're talking about tiny numbers |
| 14:47.56 | zenzelezz | sending inappropriate messages in PMs sounds a lot like harrassment :-p |
| 14:48.07 | Lopeppeppy | Ah well, Peppy never gets to have fun. |
| 14:48.17 | durcyn | cpu time and memory growth are the two big performance indicators though |
| 14:49.10 | Kaelten | Lopeppeppy: except when you try to conspire against me :P |
| 14:49.10 | Nevins | Okay so 7tb of .lua text = issue 1024k = nonissue. |
| 14:49.28 | zenzelezz | Kaelten: try to? If you only know what goes on behind your back |
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| 14:49.39 | zenzelezz | knew damnit, knew |
| 14:49.46 | Kaelten | zenzelezz: do tell? |
| 14:49.48 | durcyn | Nevins: context please, what's your addoin doing that it even needs a megabyte? =P |
| 14:50.21 | Nevins | macro(say text blah blah blah); |
| 14:50.28 | Lopeppeppy | Um, good morning Kaelten? *blush* |
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| 14:50.39 | Nevins | It would appear like a spam bot but each say text is actually a command. |
| 14:50.44 | Kaelten | :P |
| 14:51.13 | Lopeppeppy | I fully expect my innocent duplicity to bite me in the arse one day, Kaelten. |
| 14:51.48 | Kaelten | lol |
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| 14:51.51 | zenzelezz | I'm sure others would be willing to do that too |
| 14:52.08 | Lopeppeppy | Tsk tsk, zenzelezz. |
| 14:52.52 | Lopeppeppy | ckknight, it sounds like the forge would be a place to put any code I don't want to claim as my own? The context of who originally wrote/possesses/claims the code seems unavoidably muddy. |
| 14:53.39 | ckknight | Lopeppeppy: wrong, you specify the license you want. |
| 14:53.47 | ckknight | also, you never have to accept a merge request |
| 14:53.53 | ckknight | if you don't want people forking, don't use open source. |
| 14:54.13 | ralfWORK | that's SOP |
| 14:54.23 | ckknight | what's SOP? |
| 14:54.30 | Lopeppeppy | Standard Operating Procedure. |
| 14:54.33 | Cairenn|afk | standard operating procedure |
| 14:54.37 | ckknight | okay |
| 14:54.54 | Lopeppeppy | So I could have code on the forge and choose a license that did not allow the cloning? |
| 14:54.58 | ckknight | yea |
| 14:55.02 | ckknight | very easily |
| 14:55.27 | Cairenn|afk | need to change your description then, doesn't currently read that way |
| 14:55.29 | Lopeppeppy | Oh. Perhaps that wasn't clear on the first read. It seems an excellent code-swap atmosphere, but I didn't understand any limitations. |
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| 14:55.47 | ckknight | Cairenn|afk: I put (license permitting) |
| 14:55.48 | ckknight | :-P |
| 14:56.36 | Cairenn|afk | you asked for feedback, do you want it or not? |
| 14:57.11 | Nevins | Durcyn this is actually more or less what the code looks like: http://pastebin.com/d2da26fa5 |
| 14:57.36 | Nevins | The only diffrence is the actual file is much much longer |
| 14:57.44 | ckknight | Cairenn|afk: I added another note. I'm glad you gave feedback |
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| 14:58.46 | Nevins | I just want to make sure that if I make the file size bigger it won't cause preformance issues for people that use it. |
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| 14:59.22 | durcyn | Nevins: as long as it's static usage, it shouldn't cause performance problems |
| 14:59.33 | durcyn | LightHeaded, for example, is around 15mib |
| 15:00.03 | Nevins | Okay so basically it doesn't always load it into ram it's just sitting in the .lua file till the macro is called. |
| 15:01.53 | Nevins | Thats more or less what I wanted to know. I was unsure if the .lua file was indeed loaded the entire time or if it simply looked into the file when it needed to. |
| 15:02.52 | durcyn | unless the addon is LOD, it's resident while enabled. |
| 15:03.06 | Nevins | LOD? |
| 15:03.13 | zenzelezz | load on demand |
| 15:03.16 | ckknight | Cairenn|afk: any other ideas or concerns? |
| 15:03.22 | ckknight | (that you see thus far) |
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| 15:03.34 | Cairenn|afk | not on first glance |
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| 15:05.23 | Nevins | Alright thank you I'll go back to putting the file together. As always thank you for the help. |
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| 15:46.02 | Kirkburn | Cairenn|afk, http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWInterface <-- lookit, RSS feed! |
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| 15:46.56 | Kirkburn | The logo is admittedly small, just quickly used the one already ont he site |
| 15:47.47 | Kirkburn | (feel free to edit) |
| 15:48.53 | Lopeppeppy | Blind. Do not see your RSS... |
| 15:48.57 | Kirkburn | Infobox |
| 15:52.09 | Lopeppeppy | Yup, blind user cannot find. *mourn* |
| 15:52.48 | Kirkburn | The box on the right :P |
| 15:52.51 | Kirkburn | Should be at the bottom |
| 15:53.02 | Kirkburn | Possible you may be getting a cached copy, try a refresh |
| 15:53.54 | Legorol | Kirkburn: i don't see anything either |
| 15:54.07 | Lopeppeppy | Do we have to be logged in for this feature to appear? |
| 15:54.13 | Kirkburn | Shouldn't need to be |
| 15:54.21 | Kirkburn | On the infobox, bottom of it |
| 15:54.31 | Kirkburn | Should be a section called "RSS feed" |
| 15:54.36 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. |
| 15:54.47 | Kirkburn | Try http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWInterface?action=purge |
| 15:55.02 | Legorol | i refreshed the page and now i can see it |
| 15:55.22 | Lopeppeppy | My own refresh didn't do it, but your purge page did. |
| 15:55.35 | Legorol | and uh, i don't like it. The infobox on the right is too big and cluttering up the rest of the page too much |
| 15:55.54 | Legorol | it's almost as big as the article itself |
| 15:56.05 | Kirkburn | Then expand the article :P |
| 15:56.46 | Kirkburn | (it's a fair complaint, but not really anything I can do about it) |
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| 15:57.19 | Kirkburn | (Well, unless someone makes me write content, which ... I don't do) |
| 16:00.03 | [Ammo] | sorry if you moderators of wowi get bored with my updates, just some bugs in the addon :) |
| 16:00.29 | Saint-N | im tired of it |
| 16:00.34 | Saint-N | but by all means continue |
| 16:01.03 | [Ammo] | haha |
| 16:01.19 | [Ammo] | shouldn't need a lot of updates now |
| 16:02.21 | Kirkburn | Also http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Kirkburn/Dev7/WoW#External_RSS_feeds :) |
| 16:02.32 | Kirkburn | That's planned for the main page :P |
| 16:02.47 | Saint-N | it's asking for your password |
| 16:03.08 | Saint-N | no wait thats me |
| 16:03.13 | Saint-N | i'm asking for your password |
| 16:03.21 | mikma | it's "imanoob" |
| 16:04.02 | Saint-N | wow thats spooky |
| 16:04.08 | Saint-N | cuz thats MY password too |
| 16:05.11 | sag_ich_nicht | oh god i just ate 2 pounds of pasta. |
| 16:06.30 | Sixen_ | Anyone in the devNull guild on the PTR |
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| 16:14.08 | ralfWORK | sag_ich_nicht: 2 pounds? goddamn |
| 16:14.27 | sag_ich_nicht | ralfWORK: that's including the sauce & the cheese |
| 16:14.39 | sag_ich_nicht | and god damn indeed |
| 16:14.46 | sag_ich_nicht | i feel like i'm about to burst |
| 16:14.46 | ralfWORK | do you typically weigh your dinner plate? |
| 16:14.49 | ralfWORK | lol |
| 16:15.39 | sag_ich_nicht | no, but 2x 250g tortellini packages, 1x 400g sauce glass, ~20g parmesan-->~920g, and 920g = ~2 lbs |
| 16:15.59 | ralfWORK | what are these g's?! |
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| 16:17.20 | sag_ich_nicht | GRAM |
| 16:18.52 | amro | imperial units need to die a horrible death |
| 16:19.10 | ralfWORK | sure they do |
| 16:19.19 | ralfWORK | let me know when you make them go away |
| 16:23.03 | Apoco | lf 2.4.2 Council Combat Log |
| 16:24.03 | dylanm | People do BT on the PTR? 0.o |
| 16:24.19 | Apoco | or 2.4.1 |
| 16:24.19 | Sixen_ | People do everything on the PTR. |
| 16:24.26 | Apoco | or whatever we are are on publically |
| 16:27.17 | Saint-N | mmm spicy baconator! |
| 16:27.48 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, home-made soup. |
| 16:28.02 | [Ammo] | Lopeppeppy: same here, mushroom soup <3 |
| 16:28.27 | Saint-N | mines way better for you |
| 16:28.30 | Saint-N | its got stuff |
| 16:28.35 | Saint-N | and helps build character |
| 16:29.09 | Lopeppeppy | Chicken noodle, but my veggie chopper was uber lazy and there's more noodles and chicken than veggies. |
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| 16:35.23 | ralfWORK | hmm |
| 16:35.34 | ralfWORK | btw I got the spell crit fish recipe the other day :P |
| 16:35.59 | Lopeppeppy | I love that soup! |
| 16:36.05 | ralfWORK | :D |
| 16:40.00 | Saint-N | stupid jalapenos making my mouth burny |
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| 16:43.03 | ralfWORK | isn't that what they are designed to do? :P |
| 16:44.48 | [melin] | if (inside(mouth) == true) { call Burn(); } |
| 16:48.18 | Saint-N | yeah |
| 16:48.32 | Saint-N | cept i always forget and eat my baked potato with sour cream after it |
| 16:48.39 | Saint-N | which doesnt help like you think it would |
| 16:51.07 | Saint-N | http://youtube.com/watch?v=tQ5VaBgXzuM |
| 16:51.43 | Saint-N | ^^ great song |
| 16:52.36 | ralfWORK | YOU SHALL NOT RICK ROLL ME THAT EASILY, SAINT-N |
| 16:53.26 | Saint-N | it's earth kitt |
| 16:53.30 | Saint-N | eartha kitt |
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| 16:54.20 | ralfWORK | so you say! |
| 16:54.29 | Saint-N | i dooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
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| 16:59.24 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ Guest667 |
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| 17:01.43 | Saint-N | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xL5WcJFHfV4 |
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| 17:18.27 | Kaso | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/technology/technology.html?in_article_id=562236&in_page_id=1766&ito=1490 |
| 17:18.33 | Kaso | Sure they're just hunting fish now, but how long before they hunt... us!! |
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| 17:22.38 | ralfWORK | Kaso: shite you are on to something there |
| 17:23.22 | Kaso | i suggest we exterminate all monkies and apes in the name of national security |
| 17:23.27 | Kaso | it's the only sensible otption |
| 17:23.36 | Lopeppeppy | Needs more kitties and bunnies. |
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| 17:28.22 | *** topic/#WoWUIDev by Cairenn|afk -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 2.4.x ToC: 20400 | #WoWUIDev-commits : A place to watch active development of World of Warcraft addons. Multiple Sites' CIA & JIRA bots reporting | WoW programming book http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob | In order to be more inclusive, we've moved to #WoWUIDev. | "I use someone elses phone number" - Beladona |
| 17:35.58 | Kirkburn | Cairenn, might be of interest - http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Kirkburn/Dev7/Interface#World_of_Warcraft_interface_RSS_feeds |
| 17:36.21 | Cairenn | nice |
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| 17:37.21 | Cairenn | although ... I can barely make out the links on the "interface documentation" section, the blue on aqua is impossible |
| 17:37.33 | Cairenn | and it's not a whole lot better on the grey right above it |
| 17:37.55 | Cairenn | or the two immediately below it |
| 17:38.07 | Cairenn | the wikia gaming background colour shows the links fine |
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| 17:38.47 | Cairenn | the ones on the "documentation" section are the worst though |
| 17:39.17 | Kaso | Blue on aqua? which skin is that? |
| 17:39.47 | Cairenn | and the wiki poll is light grey on white - again, completely impossible to see |
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| 17:40.05 | Cairenn | I dunno, thought I was using the default, haven't changed anything |
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| 17:40.27 | Saint-N | anyone have the link to that toyota truck they abused for that british auto show? |
| 17:41.07 | Nechckn | Cairenn think you changed something- it's readable on my screen |
| 17:41.14 | jimo | bsr |
| 17:41.17 | Nechckn | then again... maybe I changed something =) |
| 17:41.25 | Kaso | Sounds like you're using Monaco Beach |
| 17:41.35 | jimo | hello |
| 17:42.05 | Kaso | the new skin mucked some stuff up i think |
| 17:42.08 | Cairenn | and when I go to my preferences, nothing is selected |
| 17:42.16 | Kaso | is the checkbox checked? |
| 17:42.34 | Cairenn | *nothing* is checked |
| 17:42.46 | Kaso | theres a square checkbox at the bottom |
| 17:42.50 | Cairenn | I'm going to use the default .... I know |
| 17:42.51 | Kaso | check it and it forces default |
| 17:42.54 | jimo | toctoc_newyork@exemple.fr |
| 17:43.35 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 17:43.57 | Cairenn | was just feed-backing for Kirkburn, since I hadn't changed anything |
| 17:44.05 | Cairenn | so others may have similar problems |
| 17:44.10 | Kaso | good point |
| 17:44.24 | Kirkburn | (sorry, was in another screen, reading) |
| 17:44.31 | Cairenn | not a problem |
| 17:45.00 | Kirkburn | Cairenn, refresh your cache |
| 17:45.08 | Kirkburn | It might be an old version of the skin you're seeing |
| 17:45.18 | Kirkburn | Certainly the poll should be okay |
| 17:45.36 | Cairenn | I've checked the "default" box now, so not a problem |
| 17:45.44 | Kirkburn | odd that it wasn't checked |
| 17:46.09 | Cairenn | very |
| 17:46.16 | Kirkburn | Anyway need to look more at the light version anyway |
| 17:46.26 | Kirkburn | gah, I do that repetition too much |
| 17:46.33 | Cairenn | well, there's some feedback for ya :) |
| 17:47.49 | Kirkburn | :P |
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| 17:48.47 | Kirkburn | Mainly .. yay RSS feeds? :) |
| 17:50.20 | Cairenn | oh very much so |
| 17:55.01 | Cairenn | overall the page looks really great |
| 17:58.36 | ScytheBlade1 | They've got two minutes to bring Doomhammer up! |
| 17:59.01 | amro | Doomhammer's dead. Gone. |
| 17:59.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Wouldn't be a first |
| 17:59.18 | amro | I mean, he died in Hammerfall |
| 17:59.22 | amro | :P |
| 17:59.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Well at least you know your lore |
| 17:59.44 | ScytheBlade1 | 99% of my server doesn't! |
| 17:59.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is kinda saddening |
| 18:00.16 | amro | yeah :( |
| 18:00.27 | ScytheBlade1 | And they're 25 seconds late |
| 18:00.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Now to troll customer service whining about it |
| 18:00.59 | Lopeppeppy | "But I don't want to go to Doomhammer, it's too far away!" |
| 18:01.07 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 18:01.10 | ScytheBlade1 | (I won't really) |
| 18:01.23 | ScytheBlade1 | (I'm just bored and hence making random threats directed at no noe) |
| 18:01.24 | ScytheBlade1 | *one |
| 18:01.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Plus I have code that needs testing :( |
| 18:02.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Whoo there's one battlegroup up |
| 18:03.51 | ScytheBlade1 | I never knew I had so many level 1 characters on PvP realms |
| 18:03.54 | ScytheBlade1 | ... and RP realms |
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| 18:18.39 | kergoth | hrm, would be kinda nice if there was an easy way to upload a beta/rc version of an existing addon on wowi, without creating a new addon for it |
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| 18:20.02 | cncfanatics | hello peeps |
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| 18:38.56 | cog|work | What's the best way to lock an edit box from changes but still capture keyboard input, allow selection, etc? |
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| 18:40.12 | wereHamster | save the current text somewhere, and then after each OnKeyPress change the text back. Doesn't that work? |
| 18:40.55 | cog|work | of course it works... it's a bit ugly though :P |
| 18:44.59 | Xinhuan | its the only method |
| 18:45.02 | Xinhuan | i believe |
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| 18:48.10 | Drundia | maybe you can capture most of keyboard events on other frame instead of editbox? |
| 18:49.33 | Drundia | but this might be even uglier way |
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| 19:16.18 | cog|work | Drundia: that was the other avenue i was investigating... acutally i just got it working before i saw your message |
| 19:17.33 | cog|work | moo... ends up defeating the purpose of keeping the text selectable... copy/paste shortcuts stop working :P |
| 19:19.30 | Drundia | your frame can capture necessary keys similar to the way for example binding ui does |
| 19:22.40 | cog|work | doesn't work that way... all the keyboard input is captured by the frame. the binding ui just pays attention or not to particular keys |
| 19:22.56 | cog|work | and since there's no way to manually trigger a copy/paste, I'm pretty sure there's no way around it |
| 19:24.46 | Drundia | uhm, yes, and when captured frame captures "ctrl+c" it calls editbox:something... hmmm... there isn't.... right... then it seems changing text back when something modifies it is the only way to go. |
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| 20:06.55 | mikma | my poor ibook battery |
| 20:07.05 | mikma | been charging it for 3 hours and says 1% :D |
| 20:07.36 | Kaso | What does ^= mean in php ? |
| 20:07.42 | Cide | did you drop it in concentrated sodium hydroxide or something? |
| 20:07.43 | wereHamster | xor? |
| 20:07.48 | ckknight | Kaso: yea, that's a xor |
| 20:07.55 | Cide | Kaso: foo ^= bar is foo = foo ^ bar |
| 20:07.55 | Kaso | thanks |
| 20:08.01 | Cide | or xor like the others pointed out |
| 20:08.03 | ckknight | $value ^= true flips it |
| 20:08.05 | ckknight | I think |
| 20:08.43 | Kaso | so val = bit.bxor(val) in lua ? |
| 20:09.05 | Cide | bxor(val, val2) |
| 20:09.18 | Cide | val ^= val2 is val = bit.bxor(val, val2) |
| 20:09.18 | Kaso | oh ofc |
| 20:09.43 | Kaso | ty, just trying to convert a php script into lua |
| 20:11.14 | mikma | mmmmm. HitsMode looks juicy, again. |
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| 20:19.38 | ralfWORK | oh god oh god |
| 20:20.30 | kergoth | whats hitsmode give that the regular combat log doesnt? more formatting options? |
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| 22:05.35 | Shot | and it changed that, and the fontstring already in the checkbutton template |
| 22:05.36 | Shot | :/ |
| 22:05.41 | Lopeppeppy | ~botsnack |
| 22:05.41 | purl | Lopeppeppy: :) |
| 22:05.45 | Lopeppeppy | Yay purl! |
| 22:05.56 | Shot | so I needed to remove my addition, and change the default text in it to look how I want |
| 22:06.47 | Sixen_ | Hmph, you too Duman? I wonder what happened. |
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| 22:06.53 | Sixen_ | I don't think Hortus has been on the forums yet today. |
| 22:12.57 | AnduinLothar | wow. there's a lot of Archaeologist blatant ripoffs |
| 22:12.59 | AnduinLothar | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6840-SimpleUnitFrames.html |
| 22:13.24 | AnduinLothar | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7974-TravsUnitFrameExtensions.html |
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| 22:15.06 | AnduinLothar | that one has 1 unique feature, lvl on party member frame, but it looks liek it's in a poor position |
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| 22:22.45 | Tuller | for some reason when I think archaeologist, I think some sort of minimap gatherer type thing |
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| 22:26.20 | Sixen_ | Tuller, Same here, lawl. |
| 22:26.35 | Tuller | i'm not any better though |
| 22:26.48 | Tuller | ludwig clearly sounds like an item database :P |
| 22:26.59 | Sixen_ | Ludwig sounds like a bird imo |
| 22:27.02 | Sixen_ | :P |
| 22:27.59 | pastamancer | ludwig sounds like a st. bernard |
| 22:28.01 | _rane | Tuller: may i propose something for bongos? |
| 22:28.06 | Tuller | sure |
| 22:28.59 | _rane | i'm sure you know that whenever you unlearn talents, all the abilities/macros that your talents grant you will disappear from the action bars |
| 22:29.22 | _rane | and if you respec often it's pain to add them back there manually |
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| 22:29.59 | _rane | what i would like is some feature that would do this automatically |
| 22:30.13 | _rane | perhaps some templates or such |
| 22:30.19 | Tuller | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8075-ActionBarSaver.html |
| 22:30.30 | Tasky | hm any tips with working with the unitflag bitmask? |
| 22:30.54 | Tasky | (combat_log_event) |
| 22:31.10 | _rane | Tuller: i assume that works with bongos? |
| 22:31.19 | Tuller | yes |
| 22:31.29 | _rane | good, thanks for telling me about that |
| 22:31.49 | Tuller | I more or less want to inegrate that slightly into bongos |
| 22:32.00 | Tuller | well, allow one to attach sets to each profile |
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| 22:35.02 | Moov | hi all, wondering how to populate dynamicaly a frame with elements, and when exeeding the hight of the parent frame proceed to scrolling. I looked a wowwiki and scrollign frames, but the hint is to do it manualy with a slider. but i'am right understanding that it means i have to compute myself scrollheight, positions and so on ? does someone knows a tutorial for that ? |
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| 22:39.27 | Kaso | http://www.wowwiki.com/Making_a_scrollable_list_using_FauxScrollFrameTemplate |
| 22:39.35 | Kaso | Is that what you mean Moov ? |
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| 22:41.37 | Moov | yes, seems to be that, surprised, because the description of the ScrollFrame frame said that it would be better to operate with a slider. thx i will have a deeper lok at that |
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| 22:51.06 | Kaso | http://www.esreality.com/files/inlineimages/2008/64259-1209503871560.gif |
| 22:57.03 | Legorol | Kaso: you just won the interwebz by linking that |
| 22:57.04 | Legorol | awesome |
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| 22:57.24 | Kaso | the person who wrote it wins more imo |
| 22:57.34 | Legorol | that's true, but he ain't here |
| 22:58.36 | Moov | ok, the example is to scroll textline, i have controlls like buttons in the frame that i want to scroll, tu i think it will be a good base to start my work on that |
| 22:58.54 | Legorol | does anyone else have trouble accessing http://www.mmo-champion.com/ |
| 22:59.06 | Cairenn | nope, hopped right up for me |
| 22:59.18 | Legorol | weird, i get: |
| 22:59.18 | Legorol | An Error Has Occurred! |
| 22:59.18 | Legorol | Sorry Guest, you are banned from using this forum! |
| 22:59.24 | Legorol | wth? O.o |
| 22:59.29 | Cairenn | banned?! you naughty boy! |
| 23:01.04 | Legorol | maybe they banned someone based on IP, and i'm behind a NAT with about 500 other people :'( |
| 23:01.25 | Cairenn | unfortunately, that does happen =/ |
| 23:01.30 | Kirkburn | Damn ... Trinitarians? |
| 23:01.43 | Legorol | one more entry in the loooooooooooooong list of crimes that NAT is responsible for |
| 23:01.47 | Legorol | did i mention I hate NAT? |
| 23:01.53 | Kirkburn | no |
| 23:01.59 | Legorol | i hate NAT. |
| 23:02.03 | Kirkburn | What do you call Trinity students? |
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| 23:02.07 | Moov | oops, i'am wrong, who can read has an advantage ! |
| 23:02.08 | durcyn | NAT is worth hating. |
| 23:02.26 | Legorol | Kirkburn: don't know |
| 23:02.37 | Kirkburn | bah, useless |
| 23:03.04 | Legorol | NAT is good when it's under your control, and you choose to use it |
| 23:03.13 | Legorol | but it's evil, evil evil when you can't opt out |
| 23:03.39 | durcyn | bah. NAT is damage. always. |
| 23:03.49 | Legorol | well, sort of |
| 23:03.52 | Legorol | most of the time it's damage |
| 23:04.12 | Legorol | it does come handy when you only got a single IP from an ISP and you quickly want to hook up another machine, like for home networks |
| 23:04.23 | Legorol | it's fine for that |
| 23:04.32 | Legorol | but using it on an industrial scale is criminal |
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| 23:04.49 | durcyn | no, it's damage then too. it's a shitty solution to an artificial problem |
| 23:05.06 | Legorol | not really, the ISP will not give you more IPs, why should they |
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| 23:05.12 | Legorol | so you do need a solution |
| 23:05.25 | Legorol | i can't think of another than NAT |
| 23:05.32 | Legorol | again, it's all about control |
| 23:05.38 | Legorol | the ISP has control over the IPs, and you only get one |
| 23:05.39 | Arrowmaster | IPv6 |
| 23:05.42 | Legorol | it's your choice what to do with it |
| 23:05.50 | durcyn | the "only get one" bit is horsecrap |
| 23:05.57 | Legorol | if you choose to put a NAT on it, that's fine |
| 23:06.14 | Legorol | durcyn: well IPv4 *is* running out of space |
| 23:06.37 | Legorol | the ISP himself has only so many IPs available to them etc. |
| 23:06.46 | durcyn | not any time soon if someone has the balls to reclaim old class A allocations |
| 23:07.05 | Legorol | that's true |
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| 23:07.17 | Legorol | you could recycle IP addresses, like paper :) |
| 23:07.48 | Legorol | but that is unlikely to change the fact that 2 is more than 1, and an ISP is unlikely to give you 2 for free when they could charge you more for it than for 1 |
| 23:08.22 | Legorol | and then we haven't touched on logistics yet: |
| 23:08.26 | durcyn | i'm lamenting the situation here, okay, rationality has no place in lamentation =P |
| 23:08.38 | Legorol | let's say your ISP is happy to give you unlimited IPs |
| 23:08.48 | Legorol | but you have to ask, they won't just allocate you millions |
| 23:09.05 | Legorol | you get a new laptop, you want to hook it up... you want to wait until your ISP gives you an extra IP? |
| 23:09.31 | durcyn | i want them to give me a reasonable ipv6 prefix |
| 23:09.47 | Legorol | i don't think it's practically feasible to talk ipv6 just yet |
| 23:09.57 | durcyn | momentum has to start somewhere |
| 23:10.06 | Legorol | i agree, but it's not here yet |
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| 23:10.12 | Legorol | so NAT is good for many things |
| 23:10.22 | Legorol | but it's also being misused and is evil in many ways |
| 23:10.29 | Legorol | like everything in life: depends on how you use it |
| 23:11.02 | durcyn | give me world routable addresses and stateful firewalling over masquerading any and every day |
| 23:11.49 | Legorol | stateful firewalling has its downsides |
| 23:12.04 | Legorol | my ISP installed a new firewall software, it took 3 days for it to learn all the routes |
| 23:12.21 | Legorol | in the meantime, i had > 1 sec latency in WoW with frequent disconnects |
| 23:12.26 | Legorol | i had to bail out of a raid because of that |
| 23:12.55 | Legorol | i wasn't a happy bunny |
| 23:13.27 | ScytheBlade1 | NAT can die. Port translation is suboptimal, CPU heavy, and breaks multiple protocols and applications :) |
| 23:13.38 | art3mis | and it eats babies |
| 23:13.48 | art3mis | and not just the ugly ones, the cute ones as well |
| 23:15.00 | ScytheBlade1 | That too |
| 23:15.21 | art3mis | lolgrues! |
| 23:15.55 | art3mis | http://www.eblong.com/zarf/lolgrues/index.html |
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| 23:32.19 | Bibi | [00:58:51] <Legorol> does anyone else have trouble accessing http://www.mmo-champion.com/ |
| 23:32.28 | Bibi | oh Legorol Legorol, what did you do on my beautiful forums ? |
| 23:33.51 | Legorol | Bibi: i have no idea |
| 23:33.58 | Legorol | i don't even have an account, so how could i be banned |
| 23:34.06 | Legorol | besides, i was trying to read the main page, not the foru |
| 23:34.08 | Legorol | *forum |
| 23:34.13 | Bibi | yeah, same. |
| 23:35.32 | Kalroth_ | haha |
| 23:35.33 | Bibi | ok got it Legorol |
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| 23:36.04 | Kalroth_ | Bibi: my account is bugged too, btw! |
| 23:36.53 | Bibi | Legorol : try again ? |
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| 23:41.48 | Shirik | wheeeee |
| 23:41.54 | Shirik | team voted #1 for LTLV system |
| 23:41.55 | Shirik | we win |
| 23:44.03 | batrick | so apparently there is a googleapi for search engine and I've been parsing html needlessly for a while now =( |
| 23:44.11 | Shirik | yes lol |
| 23:44.15 | Shirik | I thought that's what you were using |
| 23:44.20 | batrick | no... |
| 23:47.30 | art3mis | http://avn.com/law/articles/29922.html <-- article safe ads may not be |
| 23:50.48 | Kaso | Im not sure how i feel about thats, it doesnt seem quite right to me |
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