| 00:00.14 | Iriel | I would imagine since that appears to be O(N^2), it's worth it |
| 00:00.14 | Xinhuan | about 1/2(N^2) times |
| 00:00.32 | Iriel | ditto the optimization of the intersection test |
| 00:00.45 | Iriel | i.e. stop when dx == 0 and when demon == 0, and only calculate what you need otherwise |
| 00:00.59 | Xinhuan | it'll probably make the whole thing run 2ms faster hehe |
| 00:01.12 | Polarina | Xinhuan: That's significant. |
| 00:01.13 | Iriel | You calso do *THIS* alot: floor(last_point / 10000) / 10000, (last_point % 10000) / 10000 |
| 00:01.26 | Iriel | are the points integers? |
| 00:01.39 | Xinhuan | yup, the coordinates are stored in a 8 digit number format |
| 00:01.44 | Xinhuan | XXXXYYYY |
| 00:02.02 | Xinhuan | so XXXX --> 0.xxxx |
| 00:02.06 | Iriel | is that floor necessary? |
| 00:02.06 | Xinhuan | for the x coordinate |
| 00:02.30 | Xinhuan | hmmm |
| 00:02.38 | Xinhuan | without it it would be 0.xxxxyyyy |
| 00:02.43 | Iriel | can you perhaps compensate by going for 9 or 10 digit numbers |
| 00:02.47 | Xinhuan | but i suppose the calculated distance wouldn't actually matter much |
| 00:02.55 | Zootfizzle | How often do SolveTSP and SolveTSPBackground get called? |
| 00:03.04 | Iriel | so that while the lack of 'floor' will make it imperfect, it'd be something you could compensate for |
| 00:03.12 | Iriel | i.e. XXXX00YYYY |
| 00:03.14 | Xinhuan | only gets called when the user clicks the "optimize route" button |
| 00:03.15 | Polarina | Xinhuan: Don't make it 0.xxxxyyyy |
| 00:03.18 | Zeksie | # seems to only slow down after tables have 20 or so elements |
| 00:03.25 | Zeksie | but not by a lot |
| 00:03.43 | Xinhuan | Zootfizzle, its an addon that does something like this |
| 00:03.44 | Xinhuan | http://grum.nl/WoWScrnShot_020908_125251.jpg |
| 00:04.04 | Xinhuan | create a "travelling salesman tour" on selected nodes, with regions to ignore if you want |
| 00:04.27 | Xinhuan | http://pachome2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/temp5.jpg |
| 00:04.30 | Zeksie | interesting taboo region :) |
| 00:04.33 | Iriel | Also, in TwoOpt |
| 00:04.41 | Xinhuan | well that region was a extreme example |
| 00:04.42 | Iriel | You calculate i + 1 a lot |
| 00:04.48 | Iriel | yes, that's not a big deal, but it seem silly |
| 00:04.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Xinhuan: ha, you are the guy with more money than most anyone sane has! |
| 00:05.00 | ScytheBlade1 | I had forgotten who |
| 00:05.07 | Zootfizzle | Neat ;) |
| 00:05.38 | nevcairiel | ScytheBlade1: he plays on oceanic with chinese players in one guild *cough*cough* :P |
| 00:05.39 | Polarina | That'll be one of the addons Zootfizzle will use at his workstation, I'm sure. :P |
| 00:05.39 | Guillotine | holy crap |
| 00:05.46 | ScytheBlade1 | nevcairiel: haha |
| 00:06.12 | Yssaril | Xinhuan: test of x^2 vs x*x http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/102/wowscrnshot042608190408tm6.jpg results after running it 10,000,000 times |
| 00:06.23 | Guillotine | Xinhuan: Transfer to Draenor and make a donation to your favoritest execution device from the french revolution |
| 00:06.25 | Xinhuan | you must be bored Yssaril |
| 00:06.35 | Xinhuan | that screenshot is kinda old |
| 00:06.40 | Xinhuan | http://pachome2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/temp.jpg |
| 00:06.46 | Xinhuan | that's one last october |
| 00:06.47 | Iriel | Xinhuan: Ok.. my brain is done for now 8-) |
| 00:07.04 | Polarina | Yssaril: x*x, not x+x |
| 00:07.22 | Yssaril | Polarina: shit brbr |
| 00:07.44 | Kaso | no wonder thats so much quicker :. |
| 00:07.45 | Legorol | ugh, 83k gold |
| 00:07.46 | Kaso | :> |
| 00:07.47 | Xinhuan | HAHA Yssaril |
| 00:07.47 | Legorol | impressive |
| 00:08.04 | Zeksie | Iriel: put a request in for us: some alternative for strfind that doesn't return a new copy of the matched strings. just something that says "yes, it's there" :) |
| 00:08.19 | Zeksie | less garbage for all |
| 00:08.30 | nevcairiel | lua> local t = os.clock(); local a; for i=1,1e6 do a = i^2 end; return os.clock() - t |
| 00:08.30 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 0.17 |
| 00:08.34 | nevcairiel | lua> local t = os.clock(); local a; for i=1,1e6 do a = i^2 end; return os.clock() - t |
| 00:08.35 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 0.17 |
| 00:08.41 | nevcairiel | lua> local t = os.clock(); local a; for i=1,1e6 do a = i*i end; return os.clock() - t |
| 00:08.42 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 0.08 |
| 00:09.00 | nevcairiel | faster proof then Yssaril can screenshot :P |
| 00:09.17 | MentalPower|AFK | Zeksie: strings in Lua are interned |
| 00:09.23 | Legorol | nevcairiel: your test is flawed |
| 00:09.34 | Iriel | Zeksie: Can't you just do ".*somepattern.*" |
| 00:09.35 | Xinhuan | what i want to know: does anyone have more /played than me on a single character |
| 00:09.40 | Legorol | running performance tests only once, one after another is significantly biased in case the host load changes |
| 00:09.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Probably not |
| 00:09.45 | ScytheBlade1 | What are you at? |
| 00:09.47 | Legorol | you should run them twice, alternately |
| 00:09.48 | Guillotine | Xinhuan: Whats your played? |
| 00:09.51 | Xinhuan | 540 days or something |
| 00:09.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Nope. |
| 00:09.58 | Xinhuan | cbf logging in right now to check |
| 00:09.59 | Zeksie | yes, i know. but the act of doing that has a performance penalty. if you don't need the strings, and just want to know if it matches, why create the extras? |
| 00:10.35 | Zeksie | so many times you see if (strfind(bla)) then bla. with no care about the results |
| 00:10.37 | Yssaril | http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/7268/wowscrnshot042608190844ah0.jpg there fixed also includes + and - for Polarinas enjoyment :P |
| 00:10.40 | nevcairiel | Legorol: if you want, you can run them for ten hours each and compare results, i ran the first twice with the same result, second is half the time used. . enough data for that simple argument :P |
| 00:10.52 | Legorol | 540 days? that means you played through half the time of WoW's uptime, zomg |
| 00:10.53 | Iriel | Zeksie: Not that many to be honest |
| 00:10.59 | Xinhuan | 44.2% Legorol |
| 00:11.03 | Xinhuan | to be exact |
| 00:11.14 | Legorol | rofl |
| 00:11.23 | Legorol | nevcairiel: not in channel |
| 00:11.23 | Guillotine | That is ridiculous |
| 00:11.30 | End | that...sounds a little extreme :X |
| 00:11.36 | Legorol | you didn't run the second twice, and even if you did, you would've after you ran the first twice |
| 00:11.39 | Guillotine | Thats like 10 hours a day, ever day |
| 00:11.40 | Xinhuan | most of it is idling in IF anyway |
| 00:11.43 | Legorol | what if load changed after you rand the first twice? |
| 00:11.49 | Legorol | you need to run the two tests alternating |
| 00:11.53 | Xinhuan | its not difficult to alt-tab every 15 minutes |
| 00:11.56 | Polarina | lua> local t = os.clock(); local a; local sqrt = math.sqrt; for i=1,1e7 do a = sqrt(i) end; return os.clock() - t |
| 00:11.58 | lua_bot | Polarina: 1.51 |
| 00:12.02 | Xinhuan | and no, i don't use ForeverAFK |
| 00:12.03 | nevcairiel | like i said, if you want to be anal about data, dont run performance on a freakin irc bot |
| 00:12.06 | Polarina | lua> local t = os.clock(); local a; for i=1,1e7 do a = i^.5 end; return os.clock() - t |
| 00:12.09 | lua_bot | Polarina: 2.46 |
| 00:12.10 | nevcairiel | but it still proofed my point :P |
| 00:12.37 | nevcairiel | but i bet you are in the cide fan club, arguing for the sake of being a anal ass :P |
| 00:12.42 | Legorol | nevcairiel: either i can be anal, or it didn't prove anything |
| 00:12.47 | Legorol | you can't have it both ways :) |
| 00:12.51 | Xinhuan | wait, sqrt is faster than ^.5 ? |
| 00:12.56 | Polarina | Xinhuan: Looks like it. |
| 00:13.00 | Iriel | That makes sense |
| 00:13.05 | Iriel | sqrt is specialized |
| 00:13.17 | Xinhuan | sounds like any area i can optimize |
| 00:13.19 | Legorol | oh wait, i mean the other way around |
| 00:13.20 | Xinhuan | another* |
| 00:13.21 | Yssaril | yea cause otherwise there would't be a need for sqrt :P |
| 00:13.46 | Xinhuan | i've always assumed withotu testing that ^0.5 would be faster than a sqrt() functino call |
| 00:13.48 | Xinhuan | appears i am wrong |
| 00:14.17 | Iriel | obviously sqrt would need local binding |
| 00:14.21 | Legorol | Xinhuan: no i don't want you to tell me your secretz, but i like war stories. Where's most of your income from? AH? |
| 00:14.41 | Xinhuan | i am the server's best enchanter/JC with every cut/enchant for the last 3 years |
| 00:14.47 | Polarina | lua> local t = os.clock(); local a; local math = math; for i=1,1e7 do a = math.sqrt(i) end; return os.clock() - t |
| 00:14.50 | lua_bot | Polarina: 2.34 |
| 00:14.55 | Polarina | Iriel: Still faster. |
| 00:15.09 | nevcairiel | Polarina fails, local sqrt not math |
| 00:15.23 | Legorol | Xinhuan: is that more profitable than AH? How did that change with TBC and raid-drop JC patterns? Does it mean you raided high-end content? |
| 00:15.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Legorol: look at his title :P |
| 00:15.43 | Xinhuan | i buy adamantite ore about 50-100 stacks a day, prospect them all, cut all the gems, put it back up on AH |
| 00:15.44 | Iriel | hm, ^ 0.5 seems faster in a quick very unscientific test, but hang on a sec |
| 00:15.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Legorol: "Scarab Lord" |
| 00:15.48 | Xinhuan | and that earns 1000g a day easily |
| 00:15.53 | Xinhuan | without even cutting/enchanting anything |
| 00:15.54 | Yssaril | Xinhuan: i just tested it in wow and ^.5 was 20 times faster |
| 00:15.55 | Legorol | ScytheBlade1: explains it |
| 00:16.05 | Xinhuan | by buy, i mean buy from AH |
| 00:16.18 | Legorol | Xinhuan: interesting, on my realm that's not profitable anymore |
| 00:16.18 | Xinhuan | prospecting them all into gems |
| 00:16.25 | Legorol | Buy ore -> prospect -> loss |
| 00:16.33 | Xinhuan | i cut all the gems and torally udnercut everyone |
| 00:16.40 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 00:16.44 | MentalPower|AFK | lua> function UnpackRGBA(number) local r, g, b, a = bit.band(number, 0xFF000000), bit.band(number, 0x00FF0000), bit.band(number, 0x0000FF00), bit.band(number, 0x000000FF) r = bit.rshift(r, 24) g = bit.rshift(g, 16) b = bit.rshift(b, 8) return r, g, b, a end UnpackRGBA(0xAABBCCDD) |
| 00:16.44 | lua_bot | MentalPower|AFK: No output |
| 00:16.46 | Xinhuan | then my excess green gems, i cut into rings and DE into dusts/essences |
| 00:16.47 | Iriel | I see only about a 2 x difference in command line lua (on OSX) |
| 00:16.50 | Legorol | That's fine, i guess it's just our local economy. |
| 00:16.52 | Iriel | but ^ 0.5 appears faster |
| 00:16.53 | Xinhuan | and those make another 2x profit |
| 00:16.53 | Syzgyn | how old is your server Xinhuan? |
| 00:16.54 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan's server economy is totally fucked :p |
| 00:16.55 | MentalPower|AFK | lua> function UnpackRGBA(number) local r, g, b, a = bit.band(number, 0xFF000000), bit.band(number, 0x00FF0000), bit.band(number, 0x0000FF00), bit.band(number, 0x000000FF) r = bit.rshift(r, 24) g = bit.rshift(g, 16) b = bit.rshift(b, 8) return r, g, b, a end return UnpackRGBA(0xAABBCCDD) |
| 00:16.56 | lua_bot | MentalPower|AFK: 170, 187, 204, 221 |
| 00:17.01 | Xinhuan | day 1 server |
| 00:17.02 | Iriel | the function dispatch to sqrt is probably the overhead |
| 00:17.08 | Xinhuan | US Blackrock, bloodlust bg9 ;p |
| 00:17.13 | Syzgyn | heh |
| 00:17.14 | Legorol | With the current droprate, /msg nickserv set hide email on |
| 00:17.18 | Legorol | lol |
| 00:17.31 | Legorol | With the current droprate, on my realm you can't prospect ore and be profitable sadly :'( |
| 00:17.39 | Legorol | btw, what do you mean by cutting green gems into rings? |
| 00:17.48 | Syzgyn | My server is from day 1 too, and it seems that prospecting is a moneysink now |
| 00:17.54 | Xinhuan | the greem gems can be made into disenchantable JC BoE rings |
| 00:18.00 | MentalPower|AFK | lua> 0xAA, 0xBB, 0xCC, 0xDD |
| 00:18.00 | Xinhuan | just buy some fel iron ore/bars |
| 00:18.00 | lua_bot | MentalPower|AFK: 170, 187, 204, 221 |
| 00:18.05 | Legorol | ah right |
| 00:18.13 | Xinhuan | and the DEed dusts sell for more than twice the cost price |
| 00:18.18 | Legorol | i was being thrown off by the use of the word "cut" |
| 00:18.26 | Legorol | yeah i get it now, it's the "cut" part that confused me |
| 00:18.47 | Xinhuan | then, just play smartly |
| 00:19.00 | Xinhuan | like stocking up huge amounmts of gems and enchanting mats for certain patch days |
| 00:19.06 | *** join/#wowuidev MaelstromScripti (n=Maelstro@75.152.133.188) |
| 00:19.06 | Legorol | as i said, i'm not that interested in the actual secret, was just wondering where most of it's from |
| 00:19.07 | Xinhuan | like S2 and S3 launch days |
| 00:19.13 | Xinhuan | i made 14k gold on S2 launch day |
| 00:19.16 | Xinhuan | and 10k gold on day 2 |
| 00:19.18 | Syzgyn | hah, living ruby prices still havent gone down from when S3 hit |
| 00:19.39 | Syzgyn | back to what they were at least |
| 00:19.50 | Polarina | Xinhuan: I wrote it all down. :P |
| 00:19.50 | Xinhuan | that's like 24k gold in 2 days, just by dumping my stockpile of like 40-50 rare gems of every type |
| 00:19.53 | Legorol | that's one of the things that always amused (albeit not puzzle) me: |
| 00:19.58 | nevcairiel | i would never buy a cut'ed gem on the AH |
| 00:20.03 | nevcairiel | thats why we have guild cutters |
| 00:20.04 | Legorol | why do people not shop smartly, why do they do impulse shopping |
| 00:20.06 | Xinhuan | note prices also tend to be higher on wednesdays |
| 00:20.08 | nevcairiel | where i dont pay shit :P |
| 00:20.18 | Yssaril | Xinhuan: http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/1043/sqrtjr5.jpg |
| 00:20.18 | Xinhuan | after a arena points update |
| 00:20.26 | Xinhuan | and lowest on mondays |
| 00:20.33 | Syzgyn | Legorol: when you need a gem for a piece of gear before a raid, you dont have the chance to shop smart |
| 00:20.41 | nevcairiel | Yssaril: did you local sqrt before? |
| 00:20.47 | Legorol | in my (very limited) experience, on my realm the lowest prices are saturday evening, and highest is thursday evening |
| 00:20.47 | nevcairiel | that seems way too high |
| 00:20.49 | Xinhuan | you see, living rubies are 60g uncut, but 85g cut on the AH |
| 00:20.53 | Xinhuan | and yet people BUY the cut ones |
| 00:21.00 | Xinhuan | even though the cutting fee is a standard 3g on my server |
| 00:21.02 | Legorol | Syzgyn: then you weren't preparing for the raid in advance enough, imo |
| 00:21.04 | Legorol | just start earlier |
| 00:21.08 | Yssaril | nevcairiel: yes |
| 00:21.12 | Xinhuan | its a standard 3g fee i set a year ago |
| 00:21.16 | Syzgyn | Legorol: I agree, but sometimes it happens |
| 00:21.19 | Xinhuan | nobody tries to go lower at least |
| 00:21.21 | Legorol | Xinhuan: that's one thing where my realm is screwed up |
| 00:21.28 | Legorol | cut gems < uncut gems |
| 00:21.30 | Syzgyn | a few times I've realized 20 min before a raid I had no flasks |
| 00:21.32 | Xinhuan | and yet, why do ppl buy the 85g cut ones? |
| 00:21.36 | Xinhuan | i have no clue |
| 00:21.39 | Yssaril | nevcairiel: http://yssaril.pastey.net/86715 |
| 00:21.40 | Legorol | i don't know if it's because of the high population, or people are leveling JC or whatnot |
| 00:21.41 | nevcairiel | lazy |
| 00:21.48 | Xinhuan | i just buy the 60g uncut ones sometimes and then put it back up at 84g |
| 00:21.49 | Syzgyn | people are dumb :) |
| 00:21.54 | Legorol | but if there is any uncut gem < cut gem, it immediately gets bought as everyone has a JC friend |
| 00:21.56 | Xinhuan | its literally free gold |
| 00:21.57 | Zootfizzle | Placing value on your time isn't dumb or lazy. |
| 00:22.07 | Legorol | Xinhuan: used to be the case, i can't do that anymore sadly :' |
| 00:22.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is why I buy cut gems :P |
| 00:22.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Well not anymore |
| 00:22.17 | Xinhuan | well i'm talking about a 25g difference here |
| 00:22.18 | ScytheBlade1 | BT ftw |
| 00:22.18 | Legorol | uncut > cut consistently on my realm :'( |
| 00:22.34 | Xinhuan | its not too difficult to find JCs tbh |
| 00:22.44 | Xinhuan | there's only 24 black temple guilds on my server, 18 of which has killed illidan |
| 00:22.45 | Polarina | Xinhuan: So you're saying, it's basically the same as doing Conjure Money (Rank 3)? |
| 00:22.46 | nevcairiel | Zootfizzle: you probably need more time to get that gold back then to find a cuter, hehe |
| 00:22.50 | Xinhuan | yeah |
| 00:22.54 | Syzgyn | Zoot: I totally believe that there are some people that value their time more than the extra gold, but theres no way thats true for everyone who buys overprices dustt |
| 00:22.58 | ScytheBlade1 | It varies on my realm. The rubies are more expensive cut than uncut. Others are inverse of that |
| 00:23.00 | Legorol | yup, which is why it'd end up like that on a realm like mine which has very active pve community |
| 00:23.53 | Xinhuan | so when's that guild housing coming? or player housing |
| 00:23.59 | Xinhuan | wtb soemthing |
| 00:24.02 | Xinhuan | :D |
| 00:24.05 | Legorol | i'm fairly content, i made my 5k gold for epic mount with JC in the early days before the market "inverted" itself |
| 00:24.11 | Legorol | then i stopped making money |
| 00:24.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Xinhuan: lol, enjoy your island! |
| 00:24.17 | Polarina | Xinhuan: !!! :D *written down* |
| 00:24.33 | Xinhuan | Polarina, i repeat my story about once a month ;p |
| 00:24.42 | Yssaril | Xinhuan: GH stuff will be based on GP (guild points) wich initally will not be optainable via gold :P |
| 00:24.45 | Xinhuan | heaps of ppl tried it and it worked over the last 6 months hehe |
| 00:24.46 | Legorol | Xinhuan: buy yourself high arena rating? |
| 00:24.54 | Xinhuan | umm, see my mount? |
| 00:25.02 | End | clearly |
| 00:25.03 | Xinhuan | http://pachome2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/temp.jpg |
| 00:25.07 | End | it's because he's a scarab lord |
| 00:25.12 | End | thus none of us can match it! |
| 00:25.40 | End | Actually, I don't think there are any scarab lords on my realm. I think they all transfered off. :P |
| 00:25.41 | Legorol | Xinhuan: oh i see, you already bought your rating |
| 00:25.56 | Xinhuan | kek |
| 00:25.58 | ScytheBlade1 | heh, the scarab lord on our server is now an alt |
| 00:26.01 | ScytheBlade1 | True story |
| 00:26.29 | Legorol | ScytheBlade1: lucky your realm only has one scarab lord |
| 00:26.44 | Yssaril | btw so why is there a sqrt function if ^.5 is so much faster? |
| 00:26.56 | End | the requirement was banging the gong within a few hours of the opening, right? |
| 00:27.04 | Polarina | Yssaril: Why is there a table.getn, or math.floor? |
| 00:27.09 | Xinhuan | there's like 9 on mine, 4 original, 1xferred out, then 6 xferred in, and then 6 of them quit :o |
| 00:27.11 | End | I think we had 2, maybe 3 that managed that |
| 00:27.13 | Legorol | Yssaril: sqrt was faster, wasn't it? |
| 00:27.29 | Legorol | End: not necessarily, transfers |
| 00:27.29 | End | the one actually did the opening definitely transfered off |
| 00:27.33 | Yssaril | Legorol: not by a longshot http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/1043/sqrtjr5.jpg |
| 00:27.37 | End | that's true |
| 00:27.45 | End | but my realm isn't a hot destination :P |
| 00:28.01 | End | and I have never seen anyone with the title outside of screenshots (although that doesn't say a lot) |
| 00:28.04 | Yssaril | Legorol: thats 1*10^7 iterations |
| 00:28.14 | Legorol | Yssaril: strange, scroll up and see Polarina's test |
| 00:28.31 | End | we probably lost all our scarab lords before the title was even added! |
| 00:28.37 | Legorol | i think you might be suffering from a case of incorrect testing method |
| 00:28.49 | Legorol | either the load on your CPU changed between the tests |
| 00:29.01 | Legorol | (you can verify by running each test twice, alternating each test) |
| 00:29.08 | Legorol | or you didn't local the sqrt |
| 00:29.28 | Yssaril | Legorol: this is what i used http://yssaril.pastey.net/86717 |
| 00:29.54 | Shirik | Legorol: Keep in mind calling sqrt requires a stack frame to be pushed |
| 00:29.55 | Yssaril | and i did run it multible times |
| 00:29.59 | Legorol | Yssaril: did you run it twice in succession? |
| 00:29.59 | Syzgyn | Xinhuan: Scarab Lord :O |
| 00:30.02 | Legorol | Yssaril: ah ok |
| 00:30.10 | Legorol | strange, your conclusion is the opposite of Polarina's |
| 00:30.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Most expensive items on my server are currently 3000g even (Sunmotes) |
| 00:30.22 | Xinhuan | p.s. i'm not the only scarab lord in this channel |
| 00:30.23 | Shirik | Yssaril's results |
| 00:30.26 | Shirik | er |
| 00:30.29 | Shirik | I would expect Yssaril's results |
| 00:30.30 | Syzgyn | I dont think anyone is selling sunmotes on my server yet |
| 00:30.39 | Legorol | Xinhuan: that's a good point, how much did the Scarab Lord title cost you :o |
| 00:30.40 | Legorol | :o) |
| 00:30.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh we're selling them hard :) |
| 00:30.42 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 00:30.45 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 00:30.59 | Syzgyn | Scythe: are you just getting craptons, or do you just need the gold more? |
| 00:31.01 | Yssaril | Legorol: yea but my tests are in the actual calculating enviroment we care about :) |
| 00:31.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Syzgyn: we have I think 14 guilds who are killing Illidan weekly |
| 00:31.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Syzgyn: probably more by now |
| 00:31.23 | Polarina | Yssaril: UpdateAddOnCPUUsage() is a failure. It isn't working correctly. |
| 00:31.25 | Iriel | Yssaril: Did you localize sqrt? |
| 00:31.46 | Legorol | Yssaril: as a test, could you reverse the order of the two tests in your function and run again? |
| 00:31.50 | Iriel | Yssaril: Because my tests, while they agree that ^0.5 is much faster than sqrt(), were only a facter of 2 |
| 00:32.00 | Iriel | Yssaril: Show us the source, if you could |
| 00:32.08 | Legorol | Iriel: http://yssaril.pastey.net/86717 |
| 00:32.10 | Yssaril | leg sure |
| 00:32.35 | Xinhuan | ok, so ^0.5 is faster than sqrt() inside wow? |
| 00:32.58 | Shirik | Xinhuan: It makes perfect sense. I just pulled it out, just to be sure |
| 00:33.05 | Syzgyn | Wow Scythe |
| 00:33.05 | Iriel | Xinhuan: It's faster OUTSIDE of WoW too |
| 00:33.05 | Shirik | think about it, you don't have to push the call frame |
| 00:33.14 | Polarina | Xinhuan: Benchmarking is a serious issue, he haven't gotten a conclusion yet. |
| 00:33.15 | Iriel | The problem is the overhead of the function call |
| 00:33.23 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/86718 |
| 00:33.26 | Syzgyn | We have.... 6? |
| 00:33.30 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 00:33.34 | Yssaril | Legorol: same result |
| 00:33.38 | ScytheBlade1 | We're a *big* launch day server ;) |
| 00:33.38 | Zeksie | Xinhuan: yes, by about 10% |
| 00:33.47 | Shirik | I guess I shouldn't use an upvalue sqrt |
| 00:33.49 | Legorol | Iriel: did you see Polarina's test in the channel? |
| 00:33.52 | Xinhuan | lua> local t = os.clock(); local a; local sqrt = math.sqrt; for i=1,1e7 do a = sqrt(i) end; return os.clock() - t |
| 00:33.54 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 1.66 |
| 00:33.55 | Shirik | but still the CALL is the bad part |
| 00:34.01 | Xinhuan | lua> local t = os.clock(); local a; for i=1,1e7 do a = i^.5 end; return os.clock() - t |
| 00:34.04 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 2.01 |
| 00:34.07 | Shirik | opcode 7 in the second set there |
| 00:34.08 | Xinhuan | lol? |
| 00:34.10 | Legorol | or that one |
| 00:34.39 | Iriel | curiouser and curiouser |
| 00:35.02 | Syzgyn | My bad ScytheBlade1, 10 illidan killing guilds on KT now |
| 00:35.03 | Legorol | lua> local x, y; local t = os.clock(); local a; local sqrt = math.sqrt; for i=1,1e7 do a = sqrt(i) end; x=os.clock() - t; local t = os.clock(); local a; for i=1,1e7 do a = i^.5 end; y=os.clock() - t; return x, y; |
| 00:35.07 | lua_bot | Legorol: 1.65, 1.56 |
| 00:35.15 | Legorol | now it's inverted ;-) |
| 00:35.19 | Legorol | do proper testing, folks |
| 00:35.22 | Syzgyn | Only 4 that have made progress into sunwell though |
| 00:35.30 | Xinhuan | /rolleyes |
| 00:35.36 | Legorol | load changes on the host of the bot matter a lot |
| 00:35.43 | Legorol | that's why i nitpicked at nevcairel |
| 00:35.52 | Iriel | I didn't use wall clock when I did my test |
| 00:36.19 | Xinhuan | so i guess its undecided which is faster huh |
| 00:36.31 | Iriel | no, i think it's largely unanimous that within wow, ^ 0.5 is faster |
| 00:36.34 | Iriel | because it's an opcode |
| 00:36.36 | Shirik | it's rather evident from the output of the compiler |
| 00:36.39 | Iriel | so you avoid the overhead of the function dispatch |
| 00:36.46 | Shirik | look at the listing I posted |
| 00:36.48 | Xinhuan | that's what i've always assumed |
| 00:36.52 | Shirik | (ignore the GETUPVALUE) |
| 00:36.59 | Xinhuan | that avoiding a function call is better generally |
| 00:37.02 | Iriel | (even though I suspect, if we measure it, pow() is slower than sqrt() at the libm level) |
| 00:37.09 | Legorol | lua> function t1() local t = os.clock(); local a; local sqrt = math.sqrt; for i=1,1e7 do a = sqrt(i) end; return os.clock() - t; end function t2() local t = os.clock(); local a; for i=1,1e7 do a = i^.5 end; return os.clock() - t; end return t1(), t2(), t1(), t2() |
| 00:37.15 | lua_bot | Legorol: Your code exceeded set CPU limits |
| 00:37.19 | Legorol | bah! |
| 00:37.25 | End | Legorol: fail! |
| 00:37.26 | Iriel | You cant do proper benchmarking in those timeframes anyway |
| 00:37.36 | Legorol | lua> function t1() local t = os.clock(); local a; local sqrt = math.sqrt; for i=1,1e6 do a = sqrt(i) end; return os.clock() - t; end function t2() local t = os.clock(); local a; for i=1,1e6 do a = i^.5 end; return os.clock() - t; end return t1(), t2(), t1(), t2() |
| 00:37.37 | lua_bot | Legorol: 0.28, 0.41, 0.16, 0.15 |
| 00:37.46 | Legorol | Iriel: that's what i'm demonstrating |
| 00:37.59 | Legorol | look at the error in the results |
| 00:38.05 | Legorol | s/error/variance/ |
| 00:38.15 | Shirik | ahhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 00:38.16 | Shirik | this is interesting |
| 00:38.23 | Shirik | it's dependent upon teh value you are square-rooting |
| 00:38.29 | Xinhuan | oh? |
| 00:38.36 | Polarina | Must be because of a branch prediction failure. |
| 00:38.40 | Yssaril | so why is there almost no (may negligible) difference in lua_bots cals but wow its all out of wack? |
| 00:38.40 | Shirik | the call to sqrt() appears to be O(1) |
| 00:38.43 | Xinhuan | i see that this loop sqrts the loop counter i |
| 00:38.50 | Shirik | the power operator, on the other hand |
| 00:38.51 | Xinhuan | while yss's code sqrt()s a constant |
| 00:38.57 | Shirik | is much different |
| 00:39.09 | Legorol | Shirik has a point |
| 00:39.13 | Shirik | To do 1e7 1^0.5 took 0.5s |
| 00:39.21 | Shirik | To do 1e7 20^0.5 took about 1.7s |
| 00:39.29 | Legorol | Shirik: did you rerun it several times? |
| 00:39.31 | Shirik | yup |
| 00:39.35 | Yssaril | let me do it with i instead of a constant |
| 00:39.39 | Xinhuan | what about sqrt(1) and sqrt(20) |
| 00:39.39 | Iriel | Legorol: 0.1248230.0561450.1274350.0564470.1366410.0564330.1345020.0767270.1310530.056518 |
| 00:39.40 | Shirik | and I'm only getting about +/- 0.1s |
| 00:39.44 | Legorol | please rerun every such tests several times and quote the variance in the answer |
| 00:39.51 | Iriel | Hm, where did my spaces go... |
| 00:39.54 | Legorol | lol |
| 00:39.55 | Shirik | er |
| 00:39.58 | Shirik | +/- 0.01s |
| 00:39.59 | Shirik | sorry |
| 00:40.02 | Iriel | Anyway, your test running in my standalone lua has very little variance |
| 00:40.04 | Legorol | Shirik: now you are being scientifically accurate, thanks |
| 00:40.07 | Iriel | and a consistent result with mine |
| 00:40.17 | Shirik | I'll show you the code I used to run |
| 00:40.24 | Legorol | experimental results should always be quoted with error bounds :) |
| 00:40.28 | Iriel | I just cut and pasted lego's code |
| 00:40.33 | Legorol | first lesson you are taught |
| 00:40.45 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/86720 |
| 00:41.01 | Legorol | Iriel: i'm guessing you used print() to print the results, which would use tabs to separate list elements, and IRC eats tabs |
| 00:41.06 | Iriel | I could say 0.13s versus 0.6s |
| 00:41.08 | Legorol | Iriel: my guess could be wrong |
| 00:41.14 | Iriel | Legorol: I cut and pasted your code |
| 00:41.18 | End | my irc makes them into inversed Is |
| 00:41.24 | End | :P |
| 00:41.26 | Iriel | Legorol: so I return'ed them, and lua seems to use tabs between them |
| 00:41.26 | Legorol | Iriel: my code doesn't print anything, what did you use to actually print |
| 00:41.31 | End | (irc client that is) |
| 00:41.34 | Xinhuan | shirik, what if the number you sent in isn't an integer (would it matter?) |
| 00:41.49 | Legorol | Iriel: did you use Lua's print() |
| 00:41.53 | Yssaril | so i did both i^.5 and sqrt(i) for i=1,10000000 and my result was basically the same as with jsut i = 6 |
| 00:42.02 | Iriel | For the 3rd time, I cut and pasted your code |
| 00:42.09 | Iriel | What did YOU use |
| 00:42.14 | Legorol | i didn't use anything |
| 00:42.19 | Xinhuan | lua uses doubles, but does use integers to represent them below a certain number i think? |
| 00:42.19 | Iriel | You did, you used 'return' |
| 00:42.20 | Legorol | my code just "return's" |
| 00:42.24 | Iriel | and so did I |
| 00:42.30 | Legorol | so what is doing the printing :) |
| 00:42.34 | Iriel | lua is |
| 00:42.42 | Iriel | and as I said it seems to use tabs between the values |
| 00:43.01 | Legorol | you mean you executed lua from the commandline, and it output the result to the standard output? |
| 00:43.06 | Iriel | yes |
| 00:43.12 | Legorol | ok, never knew you could do that |
| 00:43.23 | Legorol | could be OS dependent |
| 00:43.28 | Legorol | i'll try in windows :) |
| 00:43.32 | Xinhuan | shirik, have you found any input value where sqrt() will be faster than ^0.5? |
| 00:43.38 | Shirik | Xinhuan, yes |
| 00:43.46 | Shirik | at 20 |
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| 00:43.50 | Shirik | which is the number I quoted earlier |
| 00:44.01 | Polarina | testCall: 0.82 -- called with 0.512387598 |
| 00:44.02 | Polarina | testExp : 1.49 |
| 00:44.06 | Xinhuan | numbers larger than 20? or just that specific number 20 |
| 00:44.29 | Shirik | well it seems at numbers above 20 |
| 00:44.37 | Shirik | and below as well |
| 00:44.38 | Legorol | Iriel: do you use lua -e ? |
| 00:44.39 | Shirik | I just tested 1 and 20 |
| 00:44.47 | Iriel | Legorol: I didn't no.. I have a lua shell open |
| 00:44.49 | Legorol | how do i call lua from command line so that it prints to standard output? |
| 00:44.52 | Yssaril | Shirik: within wow it dosnt seam to matter |
| 00:44.55 | Legorol | lua shell? |
| 00:44.56 | Iriel | Shirik: I dont get the same result as you |
| 00:45.01 | Iriel | Legorol: Run 'lua' on its own |
| 00:45.04 | Iriel | Legorol: You get a > prompt |
| 00:45.05 | Shirik | odd |
| 00:45.07 | Xinhuan | this is weird indeed |
| 00:45.08 | Legorol | that's called a shell? ok |
| 00:45.11 | Polarina | Iriel: Are you running on a Intel CPU? |
| 00:45.11 | Shirik | May be an OS thing I guess :) |
| 00:45.15 | Legorol | i know about that one :) |
| 00:45.16 | Iriel | Legorol: I refer to that as the shell, "interactive lua" perhaps? |
| 00:45.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: no, it's identical between OSs |
| 00:45.23 | Xinhuan | would the results be repeatable inside wow with 1 and 20 |
| 00:45.28 | Iriel | Polarina: Yes, two dual core xeon |
| 00:45.34 | Polarina | Iriel: Ok. |
| 00:45.34 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: How can you say that? |
| 00:45.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: I've run it on multiple OSs? ;) |
| 00:45.45 | Legorol | Iriel: don't know, doesn't matter :) just never heard it called a lua shell |
| 00:45.47 | Shirik | ah |
| 00:45.47 | Yssaril | Shirik: i used http://wowi.pastey.net/86721 and my results stayed the same from when i used just i = 6 |
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| 00:46.12 | Shirik | Welp, dunno. All I know is there seems to be some limit where the two cross over |
| 00:46.20 | Iriel | Let's stop for a moment, it would be impossible for shirik's "value matters" result to be the case here |
| 00:46.27 | Polarina | Iriel: Is your standalone Lua compiled with SSE2 support or the "good-old" FPU instructions? |
| 00:46.31 | Iriel | well, maybe not 'impossible' |
| 00:46.34 | Shirik | Then what else could it be :) |
| 00:46.35 | Iriel | but 'highly improbable' |
| 00:46.41 | Iriel | I suspect tester error |
| 00:46.49 | Shirik | I posted my code, take a look at it |
| 00:47.02 | Yssaril | Xinhuan: nomatter what i use within wow ^.5 is always faster than sqrt() |
| 00:47.13 | Shirik | the test is consistent for n == 1 |
| 00:47.28 | Iriel | Xinhuan: You'd think wrong 8-) |
| 00:47.32 | Iriel | Xinhuan: Always doubles |
| 00:47.41 | Polarina | Xinhuan: I think I know why we are all getting different results. |
| 00:47.45 | Shirik | the call takes 1.3 +/- 0.02s, the power takes 0.5 +/- 0.004 |
| 00:48.07 | Xinhuan | o_O |
| 00:48.22 | Shirik | this is for 1e7 iterations of sqrt(1) |
| 00:48.24 | Iriel | Shirik: While the value changes what the RATIO is |
| 00:48.35 | Iriel | Shirik: It doesn't change the fact that sqrt is always slower |
| 00:48.43 | Shirik | that is not consistent with my results where n== 20 |
| 00:48.47 | Yssaril | Shirik: you running this in wow or externaly? |
| 00:48.51 | Shirik | externally |
| 00:48.59 | Iriel | Shirik: Which would make sense because we're expecting that sqrt is roughly equal to ^, just with an extra constant call overhead |
| 00:49.02 | Polarina | Xinhuan: SSE is for floats, SSE2 is for doubles. WoW isn't compiled with SSE2 and Lua uses doubles, thus it is using the "good-old" FPU instructions and thus sqrt() is slower. |
| 00:49.28 | Yssaril | Shirik: i am getting sqrt to be ALOT slower in wow than ^.5 nomatter what number i plugin |
| 00:49.36 | Iriel | Polarina: So you tested sqrt() vs pow() |
| 00:49.41 | Shirik | Iriel: At n==20, I get the call to take 1.3 +/- 0.02s, The power takes 1.74 +/- 0.02s |
| 00:49.43 | Polarina | Xinhuan: My Lua standalone is compiled with SSE2 and thus sqrt() is faster on mine. |
| 00:49.56 | Polarina | Iriel: No, I haven't tested that. I'll do it right now. |
| 00:49.57 | Shirik | So it's quite evident it is not a ratio at work here. These numbers are compiled over 10 test |
| 00:50.15 | Iriel | there could still be a ratio, perhaps floating point math is very slow on your machine |
| 00:50.20 | Shirik | I'm fairly convinced there is something fundamentally different about our systems that are providing different results, plain and simple |
| 00:50.24 | Iriel | so the variable factor blows away the constant factor |
| 00:50.25 | Shirik | I'm using an AMD chip |
| 00:50.56 | Xinhuan | shirik, if that's the case, your results should be consistent between external lua and wow lua |
| 00:51.08 | Shirik | I haven't tested in WoW |
| 00:51.12 | Polarina | testPow : 2.26 |
| 00:51.12 | Polarina | testSqrt: 0.83 |
| 00:51.19 | Xinhuan | you able to log in wow? hehe |
| 00:51.29 | Iriel | Polarina: That's consistent with what i'd expect to see |
| 00:52.11 | Polarina | Iriel: What I'm saying, my standalone uses SSE2, WoW doesn't. That's the culprit of the difference. |
| 00:52.20 | Legorol | just to ask the obvious: is anyone doing this on a Mac? :) |
| 00:52.24 | Iriel | Yes, me |
| 00:52.27 | Iriel | but macs are intel |
| 00:52.39 | Legorol | how Blizz compiles for the two might differ though |
| 00:52.54 | Legorol | so let's bear that factor in mind too |
| 00:52.58 | Polarina | Legorol: It's the same, at least not with SSE2. |
| 00:53.09 | Polarina | s/not // |
| 00:53.14 | Legorol | i'm happy if you can rule it out, i'm just mentioning it |
| 00:53.23 | Legorol | i have sufficiently lost track of who is doing what that i don't know what's going on |
| 00:53.43 | Shirik | I think we have successfully proven we don't have a clue |
| 00:53.49 | Shirik | We know what SHOULD happen from the opcodes |
| 00:54.01 | Cide | I'm seeing the same results as Shirik |
| 00:54.03 | Xinhuan | what does the ^ opcode really do? |
| 00:54.12 | Xinhuan | does it call pow() internally? |
| 00:54.15 | Shirik | however there's also an obvious fundamental difference in the way the POW opcode and the call to sqrt works |
| 00:54.15 | Polarina | Shirik: No. I'm telling you why the difference is different between us all. |
| 00:54.21 | Legorol | Maybe draw up a table: Lua standalone on PC, on Mac, WoW on PC, on Mac, further broken down by test-type: constant, variable from 1 to 1e7, etc. |
| 00:54.38 | Zootfizzle | Could you guys solve world hunger first? |
| 00:54.42 | Shirik | Polarina, you have offered two scenarios. With and without SSE2 |
| 00:54.45 | Cide | actually |
| 00:54.47 | Shirik | There have been far more than 2 setso f results |
| 00:54.47 | Polarina | Zootfizzle: Global Warming!!! |
| 00:54.52 | Legorol | Zootfizzle: i think that'd be easier |
| 00:54.59 | Cide | Shirik: it's only faster for the value 1 |
| 00:55.01 | Legorol | so these guys are not wasting time with it |
| 00:55.08 | Cide | or rather |
| 00:55.18 | Legorol | it was faster for 20 for Shirik |
| 00:55.21 | Cide | right |
| 00:55.30 | Cide | but that's because 1^0.5 is faster than 20^0.5 |
| 00:55.32 | Shirik | right, that's what I get as well, Cide |
| 00:55.37 | Legorol | if it was 1, then an early abort could explain it |
| 00:55.37 | Iriel | Both ^ and pow use the pow math function |
| 00:55.48 | Iriel | and sqrt uses sqrt |
| 00:55.55 | Cide | n^0.5 is more or less constant for n != 1 |
| 00:56.06 | Cide | sqrt is constant for all n |
| 00:56.17 | Cide | is what I'm seeing |
| 00:56.21 | Legorol | Cide: too vague, gief values and error bounds plx :) |
| 00:56.33 | Cide | meh. |
| 00:56.49 | Legorol | Shirik's the only one that was providing error bounds and thus satisfying my hunger for precision |
| 00:57.03 | Cide | 1e7 runs of 1^0.5 takes 0.85 +- 0.01s |
| 00:57.04 | Legorol | (pun intended) |
| 00:57.24 | Yssaril | hmm within wow pow() is as slow as sqrt() but ^.5 stays faster http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/2327/powbt3.jpg <-- results |
| 00:57.45 | Cide | 1e7 runs of 2^0.5 takes 1.172 +- 0.01s |
| 00:58.06 | Shirik | My tests inside of WoW are consistent that ^ is faster than sqrt, btw |
| 00:58.13 | Shirik | I have to run now, you all have fun |
| 00:58.20 | Zootfizzle | I <3 the future: http://gizmodo.com/338021/wacom-cintiq-12wx-lcd-pen-tablet-video-review-verdict-simply-amazing-updated |
| 00:58.29 | Cide | 1e7 runs of 15328528.23^0.5 takes 1.171 +- 0.01s |
| 00:58.39 | Shirik | Yssaril: You skip a lua stack frame I believe - the stack frame for pow() is done in C and very fast |
| 00:58.49 | Polarina | WTB WoW.exe with SSE2 support. |
| 00:58.52 | Cide | so there's a fairly obvious jump between 1^0.5 and n^0.5 for all n > 1 |
| 00:59.14 | Yssaril | Shirik|AFK: ic |
| 00:59.37 | Iriel | Shirik: You mean ^, versus pow, right (or "the POW opcode") |
| 00:59.56 | Iriel | Shirik: In which case, yes, it's a direct call to the math pow() function from within the VM switch statement |
| 00:59.59 | Zootfizzle | I mean, if you think playing videogames requires hand-eye coordination, try drawing on something while looking in a completely different direction. |
| 01:00.22 | Iriel | Whereas pow() (the function) involves a ton of stack messing around |
| 01:00.28 | Iriel | Zootfizzle: Indeedy |
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| 01:00.36 | Polarina | Zootfizzle: Been there, done that. |
| 01:00.38 | Yssaril | Zootfizzle: wouldnt that ruin the whole hand eye thing if your not looking at it? :P |
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| 01:01.01 | Iriel | So the cintiq thing is essentially a tablet PC without the PC? |
| 01:01.33 | Zootfizzle | Yeah |
| 01:01.39 | Zootfizzle | Tablet monitor? |
| 01:01.45 | Iriel | Nifty. |
| 01:01.58 | Iriel | if youhave a beefy desktop to drive it |
| 01:04.25 | Cairenn | <3 wacom |
| 01:05.12 | Yssaril | now does that thing support multible pressure points or will it jsut average all of them? |
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| 01:06.35 | Legorol | Cide: i'm not seeing a speedup of n^0.5 for n > 1 in my tests |
| 01:06.46 | Cide | there's no speedup |
| 01:06.57 | Legorol | compared to n==1 |
| 01:07.05 | Legorol | i get the same result for n==1 as n > 1 |
| 01:07.23 | Legorol | 0.22 +/- 0.02 |
| 01:07.30 | batrick | !g gnu binutils src |
| 01:07.31 | batbot | batrick: GNU Binutils <http://www.gnu.org/software/binutils/> |
| 01:07.32 | Legorol | done them both 10 times, each batch of 10 several times |
| 01:07.41 | batrick | go look how it's implemented and end the suspense :P |
| 01:08.32 | Cide | Legorol: for ^0.5 or sqrt()? |
| 01:09.21 | Legorol | ^0.5 |
| 01:09.31 | batrick | windows sqrt() probably calls pow() eventually |
| 01:09.32 | Cide | it's a lot different for me |
| 01:09.36 | Legorol | sqrt is slower, but is also consistent between n==1 and n > 1 |
| 01:09.38 | Cide | for 1^0.5 |
| 01:10.01 | Legorol | i'm using lua 5.1 windows binary, pre-compiled, so i have no idea what compiler options were present |
| 01:10.03 | batrick | cide doesn't lua precompute that? |
| 01:10.15 | Legorol | batrick: not in my case |
| 01:10.20 | batrick | hmm |
| 01:10.26 | Cide | 1^0.5 is 0.84 +- 0.01, 2^0.5 is 1.17 +- 0.01 |
| 01:10.36 | Legorol | unless it also precomputes it for 20^0.5 |
| 01:10.41 | Xinhuan | maybe you would like to test whether ^.5 or sqrt() is faster hehe |
| 01:10.46 | Legorol | Cide: did you run each batch of tests once? |
| 01:10.48 | Xinhuan | been the topic the last hour |
| 01:10.49 | Legorol | or did you repeat? |
| 01:10.51 | Cide | repeat |
| 01:10.55 | Cide | it's the same every time |
| 01:10.59 | Legorol | ok |
| 01:11.02 | batrick | Legorol: it does precompute it |
| 01:11.11 | Xinhuan | and everyone's getting different results |
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| 01:11.30 | Cide | 0.84, 0.85, 0.85, 0.84 |
| 01:11.39 | Xinhuan | well, don't use a hardcoded number |
| 01:11.42 | Xinhuan | use a variable |
| 01:11.49 | Cide | 1.17, 1.18, 1.17, 1.17 |
| 01:11.49 | Xinhuan | but make the variable some constant number |
| 01:11.50 | Legorol | Cide: i do batch of 10 runs for each, repeat twice |
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| 01:11.58 | Legorol | Xinhuan: doing that now |
| 01:12.14 | Xinhuan | an upvalue basically |
| 01:12.15 | batrick | !lua local d = os.clock(); for i = 1,1e6 do math.sqrt(5) end print(os.clock()-d) |
| 01:12.16 | Cide | Xinhuan: that's what I'm doing |
| 01:12.16 | batbot | batrick: 0.35 |
| 01:12.26 | Cide | function test(n) ... n^0.5 ... sqrt(n) |
| 01:12.29 | Cide | end |
| 01:12.34 | Xinhuan | batrick, we're assuming sqrt() is localed |
| 01:12.45 | batrick | !lua local d,s = os.clock(),5; for i = 1,1e6 do local _=s^.5 end print(os.clock()-d) |
| 01:12.46 | batbot | batrick: 0.28 |
| 01:12.51 | Legorol | batrick: running a single call once is not scientifically good way to compare |
| 01:12.53 | batrick | good point... |
| 01:12.53 | Cide | I'm just typing it as 1^0.5 since that's what it performs |
| 01:13.05 | Legorol | batrick: do several runs and quote error bounds |
| 01:13.20 | Legorol | we have already determined that load variation on the lua bot can alter the result significantly |
| 01:13.56 | batrick | sqrt appears faster |
| 01:14.18 | Legorol | results with error bounds plx :) |
| 01:14.21 | batrick | Legorol: that should not affect it much at all |
| 01:14.28 | ScytheBlade1 | How about someone just sits down, writes a proper test case, and then links it here, letting everyone try? |
| 01:14.34 | Legorol | you need to run the test several times at least |
| 01:15.06 | Legorol | however, your point about x^0.5 being pre-compiled if x is hardcoded is valid |
| 01:15.07 | batrick | this is silly |
| 01:15.28 | Cide | Legorol: no wonder you were seeing the same results then for all n |
| 01:15.37 | Xinhuan | haha |
| 01:15.39 | Legorol | Cide: yup, doing with variable now |
| 01:16.45 | Legorol | sqrt is faster now than ^ >.< and n==1 is slower than n==20, wtf |
| 01:17.03 | Cide | it's a lot faster for me... |
| 01:17.06 | Legorol | (yes i'm running multiple times, with error bounds on the results) |
| 01:17.16 | Cide | 1^0.5 vs 20^0.5 that is |
| 01:17.33 | Legorol | for me 20^0.5 is slightly slower, using a variable v^0.5 |
| 01:18.12 | Legorol | 2.454 +/- 0.01 for n==20, 2.07 +/- 0.01 for n==1 |
| 01:18.16 | Iriel | I see n ^ 0.5 as significantly faster when n is 1, 4 or 16 |
| 01:18.26 | Iriel | or indeed any squared power of 2 |
| 01:19.01 | Cide | I don't see that |
| 01:19.03 | Legorol | hm, now i'm getting confused, sec |
| 01:19.13 | Iriel | (Within my tests for n = 1, through n = 1000, integer n's) |
| 01:19.13 | batrick | it really depends on what the implementation of math is you guys |
| 01:19.15 | Legorol | ah yeah i quoted it wrong |
| 01:19.22 | Legorol | 2.454 +/- 0.01 for n==1, 2.07 +/- 0.01 for n==20 |
| 01:19.25 | Legorol | that's what i'm seeing |
| 01:19.26 | batrick | comparing test cases on different machines _is silly_ |
| 01:19.28 | Legorol | so opposite of Cide's |
| 01:19.34 | Iriel | n == 1 ==> 0.03, n == 4,16,64,256 ==> 0.005, other n ==> 0.007 |
| 01:19.50 | Legorol | Iriel: error bounds please |
| 01:20.12 | Iriel | I didn't write that bit yet, they're consistent run-to-run though |
| 01:20.36 | Legorol | so your error bound is less than 0.001? |
| 01:20.57 | Legorol | (approximate error bound judging by eye is good enough in this case) |
| 01:21.05 | Iriel | in that test yes, but i'm not doing as many iterations as i'd like |
| 01:21.11 | Iriel | lagrely because I didn't want to wait 8-) |
| 01:22.33 | Xinhuan | i've got a theory that a number with a rational sqrt result will be faster |
| 01:22.42 | Xinhuan | for eg 2.25 has a rational root of 1.5 |
| 01:24.06 | batrick | depends on the implementation. |
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| 01:24.29 | batrick | why are you guys trying to figurethis out absolutely when it will clearly vary from machine to machine |
| 01:24.40 | batrick | rather, OS to OS |
| 01:25.03 | Xinhuan | i merely posed a question about whether ^0.5 or sqrt() is faster in lua |
| 01:25.19 | Xinhuan | since its universally agreed that x^2 is slower than x*x |
| 01:25.30 | batrick | that's the thing, you can't say that absolutely because lua calls _operating system functions to do the work_ |
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| 01:26.38 | Xinhuan | btw, do i need to do a ClearAllPoints() call before i do a SetAllPoints() call? |
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| 01:28.04 | Cide | http://wowi.pastey.net/86724 |
| 01:28.06 | Cide | that's what I use |
| 01:28.08 | batrick | I'd also like to point out there is a fsqrt instruction on most intel FPUs, so that's probably why sqrt() is faster (some compilers will change the system call to said instruction) |
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| 01:35.23 | Cide | >>> http://wowi.pastey.net/86724 |
| 01:35.28 | Cide | Cide: maximum execution time (5s) exceeded |
| 01:35.32 | Cide | oh |
| 01:35.32 | Cide | right |
| 01:37.22 | Legorol | lol, i did that too earlier |
| 01:38.27 | Legorol | mm what can you do with L70s that don't involve daily quests and take a short time? |
| 01:38.38 | Legorol | out of quests, too late to look for grup |
| 01:39.48 | Cide | arenas? |
| 01:43.24 | Guillotine | Wait, now we can run scripts directly from pastey? Thats awesome |
| 01:44.10 | Legorol | woot,what? |
| 01:45.21 | Legorol | Guillotine: how do i run it? |
| 01:46.37 | ScytheBlade1 | >>> http://wowi.pastey.net/86728 |
| 01:46.39 | Cide | ScytheBlade1: "test" |
| 01:46.40 | Polarina | So I can make a malicious pastey and tell people not to run it? |
| 01:46.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Ha, that's awesome |
| 01:49.21 | Legorol | >>> http://www.pastey.net/86727 |
| 01:49.23 | Cide | Legorol: 1 |
| 01:50.50 | Cide | Polarina: sure? |
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| 01:51.16 | Cide | Guillotine: only on my bot :P and you've been able to for months |
| 01:53.01 | Polarina | Do NOT run this pastey ( http://pastey.net/86731 ) on Cide's bot! |
| 01:53.08 | Legorol | Cide, that's an awesomely environmentally friendly thing |
| 01:53.15 | Cide | >>> http://pastey.net/86731 |
| 01:53.18 | Cide | Cide: |
| 01:53.20 | Cide | oh no. |
| 01:53.21 | Cide | I died. |
| 01:53.23 | Legorol | >>> http://pastey.net/86731 |
| 01:53.27 | Cide | Legorol: |
| 01:53.29 | Legorol | bah, i copy/paste too slow |
| 01:53.40 | Cide | Legorol: yep :) |
| 01:54.06 | Cide | Legorol: and good for long snippets too |
| 01:54.12 | Legorol | btw, what's that do? is that the one that accesses stack elements above or something? |
| 01:54.43 | Cide | and it's also nice for checking syntax errors |
| 01:54.54 | Cide | try >>? http://wowi.pastey.net/86724 |
| 01:56.20 | Cide | >>? http://wowi.pastey.net/86724 |
| 01:56.20 | Cide | Cide: input appears to be syntactically correct. |
| 01:56.24 | Cide | versus: |
| 01:56.28 | Cide | >>? http://wowi.pastey.net/86732 |
| 01:56.29 | Cide | Cide: [string "local function avg(t)..."]:35: unexpected symbol near '.' |
| 01:56.48 | Cide | http://wowi.pastey.net/86732 -- line 35 of that pastey has a syntax error |
| 01:57.18 | Legorol | that's awesome |
| 01:57.31 | Legorol | you know, every time i make a keystroke, a tree dies |
| 01:57.34 | Legorol | this saves rainforests! |
| 02:01.47 | Cide | time to slep now though, night |
| 02:01.50 | Cide | sleep* |
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| 02:22.45 | Yssaril | you guys are still going on if ^.5 is faster than sqrt()? didn't we determine that within wow (the only place we care) ^.5 is way faster? |
| 02:27.33 | batrick | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:36.47 | art3mis | evil^.5 |
| 02:36.54 | art3mis | ^^ squareroot of all evil |
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| 03:36.02 | ScytheBlade1 | ... we're STILL on that? |
| 03:36.04 | ScytheBlade1 | 0_o |
| 03:43.36 | Alexanderyoshi | ^.5 works? |
| 03:45.13 | dylanm | Alexanderyoshi: In Lua, you mean? |
| 03:45.33 | Alexanderyoshi | yeah |
| 03:46.11 | dylanm | Yeah that was surprising to me too. |
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| 03:56.15 | Shirik | wtf |
| 03:56.24 | Shirik | when I went to school you guys were talking about this |
| 03:56.28 | Shirik | I'm back now and you are STILL on it? |
| 03:56.35 | ScytheBlade1 | That was my reaction too. |
| 04:08.15 | Yssaril | nobody really said anything for an hour and then it startad back up :) |
| 04:10.53 | Cairenn | that's occurred a few times, with extended breaks in between |
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| 04:39.48 | Intrinse | hi, is this the right place to ask a lua question? |
| 04:40.50 | Shirik | it can be |
| 04:40.56 | Intrinse | k |
| 04:41.06 | Intrinse | which is faster, sqrt(x) or x^(1/2)? |
| 04:42.07 | Shirik | hmmm |
| 04:42.11 | Shirik | adsl-76-214-6-65.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net has no matches |
| 04:42.45 | Guillotine | o.O |
| 04:43.00 | ScytheBlade1 | That block is registered to Texas |
| 04:43.21 | Shirik | found it |
| 04:43.22 | Shirik | Guillotine |
| 04:43.25 | ScytheBlade1 | That's actually an entire B class block. Probably a bit more than just Texas |
| 04:43.38 | Guillotine | Shirik: yah? |
| 04:43.39 | ScytheBlade1 | lol so it is |
| 04:43.40 | Shirik | Guillotine is a near match: Guillotine (n=Guilloti@adsl-76-214-27-208.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net) |
| 04:43.53 | ScytheBlade1 | 00:43 [Freenode] -!- Guillotine [n=Guilloti@76.214.6.65] |
| 04:43.54 | Shirik | ~stab Guillotine |
| 04:43.54 | purl | ACTION runs at Guillotine with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 04:43.54 | ScytheBlade1 | :P |
| 04:44.00 | ScytheBlade1 | ~lart Guillotine |
| 04:44.00 | purl | stuffs Guillotine into a shiny new tin can and vacuum seals it |
| 04:44.17 | Guillotine | I should have known better than to think you guys wouldn't figure it out :( |
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| 04:44.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Points for style though! |
| 04:44.39 | ScytheBlade1 | That's as much as I can give you though. |
| 04:44.41 | ScytheBlade1 | ~lart Guillotine |
| 04:44.41 | purl | whips out a sword and chops Guillotine in half |
| 04:45.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Guillotine: http://qdb.us/152432 |
| 04:45.17 | Shirik | ~hug Guillotine |
| 04:45.18 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on Guillotine and suddenly hugs Guillotine tightly |
| 04:45.28 | Shirik | you did trip me up, though, Guillotine |
| 04:45.41 | Shirik | my automated clonescan didn't pick you up because your IP address is a bit ... odd |
| 04:45.54 | Guillotine | Scythe: where did you get that the block was registered to Texas? |
| 04:45.57 | Shirik | for some reason on Guillotine it shows up as address: n=Guilloti@76.214.6.65 |
| 04:46.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Guillotine: arin.net |
| 04:46.15 | Guillotine | strange. I'm in LA, not Texas |
| 04:46.44 | ScytheBlade1 | The block company is registered to Texas, and it's an entire class B |
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| 04:47.13 | Guillotine | 0 |
| 04:47.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Once I saw that it was an entire class B I kinda thought otherwise :) |
| 04:47.53 | Guillotine | seriously though, the new mibbit is awesome |
| 04:47.58 | Guillotine | so much better than the old ircatwork |
| 04:47.59 | Shirik | mibbit is pretty nice |
| 04:48.02 | Shirik | aye |
| 04:48.06 | Shirik | I use it frequently from school |
| 04:48.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh |
| 04:48.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Probably helps if I enable javascript |
| 04:48.58 | Shirik | yes :P |
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| 04:49.44 | ScytheTest | Whoa, this is actually a really nice UI |
| 04:49.55 | Guillotine | it has some cool features too |
| 04:49.57 | Guillotine | check this out: |
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| 04:50.27 | Guillotine | Should put a thumb: http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/funny-pictures-cat-keyboard-microsoft-assistant1.jpg |
| 04:50.33 | ScytheTest | lol it does |
| 04:50.34 | ScytheTest | Nice |
| 04:50.53 | ScytheTest | ... hahaha the sheer potential for abuse |
| 04:51.01 | ScytheBlade1 | I think I'm going to close that now |
| 04:51.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Like |
| 04:51.21 | Guillotine | no kidding. can you say goatse? |
| 04:51.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Tiled goatse is entirely possible with that |
| 04:53.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah. Not sticking around for any IRC client that gives me an image preview. |
| 04:53.47 | Guillotine | Scythe: that qdb quote still hasn't been accepted :( |
| 04:54.00 | ScytheBlade1 | I noticed :( |
| 04:54.01 | Guillotine | I think you can turn it off. Its still a nice web-client for work/school |
| 04:54.04 | ScytheBlade1 | But it's got a very good score |
| 04:54.15 | ScytheBlade1 | It just might be |
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| 04:57.52 | Yssariltestsmibb | sweet this works :) gonna have to remember this |
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| 04:59.24 | Guillotine | At some point we're going to have 2 of each person in this channel. One normal, one testing mibbit |
| 04:59.36 | Yssaril | hehe |
| 05:00.12 | ScytheBlade1 | lol not for long |
| 05:00.15 | ScytheBlade1 | TILED GOATSE |
| 05:01.29 | Yssariltestsmibb | cool comes with its own pastebin http://mibbit.com/pb/nikuKV |
| 05:01.52 | Yssariltestsmibb | though pastey.net is still better :) |
| 05:01.57 | batrick | Shirik: ping |
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| 05:02.16 | Guillotine | So have you guys read about the new OGC logo? |
| 05:02.29 | Yssaril | nope |
| 05:02.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes, but it made no sense at all |
| 05:03.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Why exactly that is so offensive I'm not sure |
| 05:03.15 | ScytheBlade1 | But I'm probably just missing something big, obvious, and sexual in nature |
| 05:03.45 | Guillotine | Scythe: rotate your head to the left |
| 05:03.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, I saw a rotated picture |
| 05:04.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Still didn't click at all :P |
| 05:04.38 | Cairenn | ? |
| 05:04.51 | Guillotine | Cairenn: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/04/24/nogc124.xml&reason=0 |
| 05:04.55 | Yssaril | thats funny as hell but people are reading way to much into this |
| 05:05.02 | Yssaril | http://uploads.ungrounded.net/436000/436872_ogc.swf :P |
| 05:05.13 | Cairenn | lol |
| 05:05.49 | Cairenn | it's really not that bad though |
| 05:05.56 | Guillotine | No, it isn't |
| 05:06.00 | Guillotine | but still gives a chuckle :P |
| 05:06.11 | Cairenn | but yeah, I can see why some people would get their panties in a bunch over it |
| 05:06.27 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm still missing that entirely. |
| 05:06.48 | Cairenn | ScytheBlade1: you can't see it? |
| 05:06.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Nope. |
| 05:07.04 | Yssaril | ScytheBlade1: its a guy pleasing himself |
| 05:07.07 | Cairenn | head, body, legs, hand on dick |
| 05:07.18 | ScytheBlade1 | .... hahahaha |
| 05:07.25 | Cairenn | NOW he sees it |
| 05:07.33 | ScytheBlade1 | That's nothing short of retarded |
| 05:07.40 | ScytheBlade1 | But yeah that's somewhat funny |
| 05:07.40 | Cairenn | yup |
| 05:08.31 | Yssaril | they spent £14,000 to get a guy jerking off its funny imo |
| 05:08.41 | ScytheBlade1 | It wasn't until it was pointed out that I saw it, every time I just read it as "OGC" |
| 05:08.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Was like, "What? Honestly, what is so offensive about that?" |
| 05:09.12 | Yssaril | ScytheBlade1: did you knwo the Fedex logo contains an arrow? |
| 05:09.29 | ScytheBlade1 | No? |
| 05:09.42 | Yssaril | ScytheBlade1: look at it http://thingsgodtaughtme.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/fedex-logo.jpeg |
| 05:09.59 | Cairenn | yep |
| 05:10.09 | Guillotine | Really, its the letters "OGC" that do it imo. The font of the logo just makes it a bit more obvious |
| 05:10.15 | ScytheBlade1 | ... not seeing an arrow |
| 05:10.28 | Cairenn | ScytheBlade1: look at the negative space in the Ex |
| 05:10.29 | Guillotine | I see no arrow |
| 05:10.35 | Guillotine | oh |
| 05:10.37 | Guillotine | I see it |
| 05:10.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh ha |
| 05:10.56 | ScytheBlade1 | I was looking at the top half of the negative space |
| 05:11.04 | Yssaril | hehe :P |
| 05:12.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Great. Now I'm going to be analyzing logos that I see for random phallic symbols. And, when people ask why I'm turning my head left and right, they'll think I'm perverted. |
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| 05:21.56 | Yssaril | need an opinion and maybe an idea. am working on a questlog replacement which will also be able to share quests with others running the addon currently this is my log frame http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/8097/qestca7.jpg my concern currently is the tree on the side it displays my questszones first and then goes to party,raid,guild,friends quests what do you think and how can i make it better? |
| 05:25.50 | Guillotine | I like it |
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| 05:28.34 | Yssaril | k thanks :) i guess ishouldn't ask when everyone is sleeping :) |
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| 06:40.04 | [melin] | anyone know how I can add info to the guildroster? |
| 06:45.08 | Shirik | hey batrick, are you aware of any function that allows me to read from a pipe non-destructively? |
| 06:45.16 | Shirik | Or tell how many bytes are available in a pipe? |
| 06:45.26 | Shirik | Or just whether or not ANY bytes are available in a pipe? |
| 06:45.29 | Shirik | (For Linux) |
| 06:48.13 | Iriel | have you opened it with nonblocking enabled? |
| 06:48.21 | Iriel | select tells you if there's anything waiting too |
| 06:48.30 | Iriel | or you can just do a non-blocking read if you opened it that way |
| 06:50.11 | Zootfizzle | Dear Lord, |
| 06:50.21 | Zootfizzle | Please watch over me now as I attempt to update my addons without having to redo my entire interface |
| 06:50.30 | Zootfizzle | In Slouken's name I pray, amen |
| 06:50.38 | Iriel | amen |
| 06:52.21 | Shirik | Iriel, I'm not sure I can do that, but I really don't know |
| 06:52.26 | Shirik | I'm redirecting stdin/stdout |
| 06:52.44 | Shirik | well, I /intend/ to... haven't really implemented it yet |
| 06:54.20 | Iriel | You should still be able to use select, or poll (I guess) |
| 06:54.25 | Iriel | never really had a chance to use poll |
| 06:54.39 | Shirik | ok, thanks :) |
| 06:54.54 | Shirik | next comes how to do the redirection, but there's a million things online describing that. Thanks |
| 06:55.13 | Iriel | basically with select you give it a bitfield of the fd's you care about for r/w and it leaves the bits set on the ones with something to offer |
| 06:59.39 | batrick | i don't believe you can figure out how many bytes or in the pipe |
| 07:00.00 | batrick | are * |
| 07:01.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Zootfizzle: how long has it been since you updated? o-) |
| 07:01.39 | ScytheBlade1 | * o-0 |
| 07:01.40 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 07:01.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Close enough |
| 07:02.31 | Shirik | batrick: All I really need is a way to read without blocking |
| 07:02.51 | Shirik | in any form |
| 07:03.05 | Shirik | I will try what Iriel said |
| 07:05.33 | Zootfizzle | ScytheBlade1: Since before 2.4 came out. |
| 07:05.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Meh. I've done worse. You'll be fine. |
| 07:05.46 | Zootfizzle | All of my mods kept working, so I didn't have much reason to. |
| 07:06.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I updated for 2.4, but the time before that would have been 2.2 or 2.1 even |
| 07:07.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Unless of course you're one of those psychotic people who has well over 200 addons installed and active |
| 07:07.10 | ScytheBlade1 | In which case, well, you deserve whatever you get :) |
| 07:09.39 | Zootfizzle | Heh, I think I use maybe six mods |
| 07:09.59 | Zootfizzle | Which end up using 64 separate directories. |
| 07:10.09 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 07:10.11 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 07:10.16 | Zootfizzle | Go go gadget library... |
| 07:10.36 | Zootfizzle | Go go gadget seperately distributed plugin... |
| 07:11.01 | Xinhuan | sounds like... boss mod + unitframe + quartz + fubar + blizzard addons? :D |
| 07:11.18 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm really debating dropping all of my addons less oRA2, Omen, and SpellBinder. It turns out that I actually like healing with the stock raid UI, and my mage doesn't need anything special. |
| 07:12.21 | ScytheBlade1 | (Don't hurt me for healing with the stock raid UI :P) |
| 07:12.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Eh, there are worse things around here |
| 07:12.59 | Xinhuan | you don't use a click-casting addon??? |
| 07:13.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Hit me hard enough with that pillow and I probably wouldn't complain, insomnia ftl |
| 07:13.17 | Xinhuan | or omnicc :D |
| 07:13.21 | ScytheBlade1 | No, I use spells bound directly to buttons (or macros) |
| 07:13.32 | ScytheBlade1 | I currently click-cast to buff on my mage, but that's it |
| 07:13.36 | Xinhuan | but that requires 2 presses |
| 07:13.40 | Xinhuan | to heal instead of 1 |
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| 07:13.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Meh. I like it better. Plus I'm a freak with reflexes. |
| 07:14.44 | Zootfizzle | I will confirm FuBar =P |
| 07:14.54 | ScytheBlade1 | 2 = Regrowth, 3 = Rejuv, 4 = Lifebloom, shift+mouse 5 is NS, and mouse 5 (nomodifier) is Swiftmend |
| 07:14.55 | [melin] | well.. my gf plays a resto druid.. |
| 07:15.01 | [melin] | she's never used any addons.. |
| 07:15.06 | [melin] | and she heals SSC etc |
| 07:15.16 | ScytheBlade1 | All things considered, click casting will only give me so much more over what I have now |
| 07:15.17 | Xinhuan | hey now, "boss mod + unitframe" is generic :d |
| 07:15.22 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 07:15.31 | [melin] | she aint even using addons like ctRA or Ora |
| 07:15.54 | ScytheBlade1 | And I've really never understood the point behind fubar. All of the information it displays (typically) is already available to you. It's just seems redundant to me :( |
| 07:16.32 | Xinhuan | convenience and customizability is the thing it offers |
| 07:16.33 | Zootfizzle | I use it for a place to keep Auditor and I like knowing my XP/hour since I usually don't play 70s |
| 07:16.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Auditor? |
| 07:16.59 | Xinhuan | auditor is an addon htat keeps track of cashflow in and out |
| 07:17.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 07:17.06 | ScytheBlade1 | See, if I installed that, I'd just cry |
| 07:17.11 | Xinhuan | by expenditure type, goes quite specific |
| 07:17.31 | Xinhuan | like quest, repair, reagents, ah, flightmaster, mail, trade, etc |
| 07:17.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah. I'd just cry. Repairs ftl. |
| 07:17.51 | kd3 | huh... I need to look at my CT_ExpenseTracker logs... been a while since I've seen how much gold I've lost to FPs |
| 07:17.54 | ScytheBlade1 | And AH, haha |
| 07:18.10 | ScytheBlade1 | I log in every day, click 'search' on the AH and sort by price |
| 07:18.22 | ScytheBlade1 | The only things I'd ever buy are on the top page of the most expensive :D |
| 07:18.39 | ScytheBlade1 | If I kept track of that, yeah, I'd just go emo over my expenditures |
| 07:19.15 | ScytheBlade1 | The XP/hour I can understand though - unfortunately I can't level alts, no matter how hard I try, so eh |
| 07:19.16 | Zootfizzle | I try hard not to feel bad about spending money IRL, it kinda bleeds over into WoW |
| 07:19.24 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
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| 07:19.52 | Guest611 | Anyone here? I had a little question about something. |
| 07:19.59 | Zootfizzle | Yes, we're here! |
| 07:19.59 | kd3 | ask away |
| 07:20.06 | ScytheBlade1 | *looks at the channel list* |
| 07:20.50 | kd3 | but gah... thinking about spending money. I get to move in 3 weeks. /cringe |
| 07:20.58 | Guest611 | I was looking for someone who could help me unfilter all those lowbie quests. |
| 07:21.16 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: that'll be fun! wait. |
| 07:21.26 | Guest611 | I mean, the only way I can't find them is because I'm like level 36, and I'd have to mouse over the npc's. |
| 07:21.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Guest611: unfilter? You mean the question marks on the minimap? |
| 07:21.38 | Guest611 | Well, the explaination points. {^_^} |
| 07:21.47 | Guillotine | Can't do it :( |
| 07:21.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, pretty sure you can't. :( |
| 07:21.51 | Zootfizzle | I will say I just installed auctioneer advanced, and I'm floored |
| 07:21.52 | kd3 | those aren't something we can mess with |
| 07:22.00 | Zootfizzle | I can't believe I didn't have this before =P |
| 07:22.02 | kd3 | it's been an oft-repeated request, though |
| 07:22.04 | Crysli | Oh, and it's exclamation, not explanation ;) |
| 07:22.17 | Guest611 | lol Yeah, I'm an idiot. lol |
| 07:22.29 | Guest611 | Just the other day, I was playing this game where I could build tracks for racing. |
| 07:22.38 | Crysli | Lolz TMN |
| 07:22.39 | Guest611 | Idiot here was trying to use some pieces backwards! lol |
| 07:23.41 | Guest611 | So there's no way to like, show the extra exclamation marks from lowbie quests? Okies. I saw a note somewhere that being able to show all quests might make Blizzard unhappy. :( |
| 07:24.03 | ScytheBlade1 | That's kind of the running idea, yeah |
| 07:24.15 | Zootfizzle | o_O |
| 07:24.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Those markers are in areas of the game that we can't touch |
| 07:24.56 | Zootfizzle | I don't think we thought anything more than trying not to spam people |
| 07:25.04 | Guillotine | I really wish there would be an option to show low-level quest exclamations. If just to go back and try (for example) low level draenei/blood elf quests |
| 07:25.08 | Zootfizzle | s/thought anything/thought about anything/ |
| 07:25.10 | ScytheBlade1 | I should read things entirely before I erspond |
| 07:25.12 | ScytheBlade1 | *respond |
| 07:25.40 | Guest611 | lol |
| 07:25.49 | Guest611 | Well, Scott Adams sez we're all idiots! lol |
| 07:25.53 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 07:26.29 | kd3 | lol... [Obvious] North Carolina recalls license plates beginning with XXX |
| 07:26.43 | Guest611 | That sounds like fun. lol |
| 07:27.04 | Crysli | Oh yeah, we don''t want people giggling in traffic. |
| 07:28.05 | kd3 | ahaha... from the article: "A Winterville man returned his plate Thursday afternoon, after realizing in the parking lot that he was holding the suggestive prefix. I definitely don't want XXX on there," Blake Coghill said. "I'm a youth pastor." |
| 07:28.13 | kd3 | http://www.reflector.com/local/content/news/stories/2008/04/27/XXXlicenseplate.html |
| 07:28.23 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 07:28.56 | Crysli | "raising a new plate beginning "XTM" triumphantly above his head." |
| 07:29.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Guest611: but yeah, we can't adjust what quest markers can or cannot be seen |
| 07:30.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, quest giver markers |
| 07:31.24 | Guest611 | We could theoretically make a database, but I dunno ... That just seems like Too Much Work. |
| 07:31.40 | ScytheBlade1 | That'd only work on mouseover by adjusting the tooltip |
| 07:31.54 | ScytheBlade1 | We still can't make the "?" over their heads appear or disappear |
| 07:32.32 | Crysli | It would be possible to make a new set of question marks appear on the minimap though, wouldn't it? |
| 07:32.38 | Guest611 | What I meant was we seem to know who and what gives quests. Putting all that in a database, almost like what QuestHelper does, is possible. But it's an awful lot of work, I think. {Blushes} |
| 07:32.49 | ScytheBlade1 | That could be done yeah, Crysli |
| 07:32.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Guest611: ah. For that, I suggest wowhead :) |
| 07:33.22 | Guest611 | lol Wowhead? What's that? lol |
| 07:33.27 | ScytheBlade1 | wowhead.com |
| 07:33.38 | kd3 | most quest info's also on the wiki |
| 07:33.41 | ScytheBlade1 | It's like a thottbot that's worth using. |
| 07:33.47 | ScytheBlade1 | That too, wowwiki.com |
| 07:34.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Although it lacks the searching that makes wowhead nice |
| 07:35.00 | Crysli | WoWHead <3 |
| 07:35.05 | Guest611 | That's work, too. Too bad it couldn't work in the interface. lol I've tried several of those, and it was Too Much Work. lol |
| 07:35.16 | kd3 | you mean like LightHeaded? |
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| 07:35.19 | Guest611 | But I can look at WoWHead. lol |
| 07:35.31 | Guest611 | Does Lightheaded show quest givers? {^_^} |
| 07:35.39 | kd3 | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7017-LightHeaded.html |
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| 08:03.51 | Fisker- | my cat is asleep kd3 :O |
| 08:04.09 | Fisker- | you drugged it |
| 08:04.26 | Keias | wow |
| 08:04.36 | Keias | So I just got an in-game Advertisement |
| 08:04.41 | Keias | For something completely unrelated to WoW |
| 08:07.57 | [melin] | oh? |
| 08:09.33 | Keias | Yeah, some add to subscribe to some TV on PC thing |
| 08:09.37 | Keias | ad* |
| 08:09.48 | Guillotine | You know what the best thing is? |
| 08:09.57 | Guillotine | In the .wdb files with the mail templates |
| 08:10.14 | Guillotine | there is one titled <DEBUG> containing an advertisement for viagra |
| 08:11.06 | Fisker- | do want |
| 08:12.25 | Crysli | "Viagra. For when that Night Elf Female just isn't enough." |
| 08:13.26 | Sixen | lawl |
| 08:19.01 | Corrodias | nearing the end of my chrono trigger 2nd play. i think it's only the second, at least. |
| 08:20.21 | Corrodias | now that you've been updated on the state of the universe, i can ride off into the sunset |
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| 08:21.10 | Fisker- | MUST HAVE MOAR MONEY |
| 08:22.10 | Crysli | ~pat Fisker- |
| 08:22.11 | purl | ACTION pats Fisker- and says "Nicely Done!" |
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| 08:24.42 | Fisker- | :( Crysli |
| 08:24.48 | Fisker- | i don't quite have 20000g yet |
| 08:25.07 | Crysli | Yeah, that didn't come out as I wanted it to. |
| 08:26.49 | Crysli | Well, I'm off. |
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| 08:40.20 | Guest718 | I just installed cosmos and when I try and sell the merchants buyback window moves instead of selling the item. |
| 08:40.33 | Guest718 | Any thoughts? |
| 08:40.51 | Guillotine | huh? |
| 08:41.06 | Guillotine | Can you try repeating that? |
| 08:41.25 | art3mis | A Kirksville, MO. man was arrested on Thursday for trying to boost a $517 Viore (yeah) LCD television by swapping the UPC tag with one from a $3.16 bottle of water. |
| 08:41.36 | Guillotine | hahahaha |
| 08:41.44 | art3mis | Apparently, cashiers werent fooled by the admittedly paper-thin maneuver, and after four swipe attempts, a replaced paper spool, and one PA announcement for a store manager to come to register 14, they had the super-genius switcher thrown in the big house. If convicted, the man faces up to seven years in prison plus a hefty fine
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| 08:42.07 | kd3 | heh... I actually ran in to that once when I worked at target. |
| 08:42.11 | kd3 | almost the exact same thing |
| 08:42.28 | durcyn | wouldn't you swap it with, i don't know, another tv |
| 08:42.31 | art3mis | heh something that big you're almost better just picking it up and walking out like you own it |
| 08:42.35 | batrick | what durcyn said |
| 08:42.43 | kd3 | I couldn't get the woman arrested though... manager let her walk out the store threatening to take it up to "management" |
| 08:42.49 | durcyn | yes, this is a 61 inch LCD water bottle. |
| 08:42.49 | Guest718 | When I try and drag an item from my bag and drop it on a slot of a merchants buyback window, the window moves instead of the item transferring. |
| 08:43.11 | kd3 | Guest718, try just right-clicking on the item when the regular vendor window's open |
| 08:43.16 | Guillotine | Guest718: I don't think you can sell an item by dropping it on the buyback window |
| 08:43.19 | Guillotine | with or without Cosmos |
| 08:43.26 | kd3 | there's no need to drop it on the buyback window |
| 08:44.14 | Guest718 | give me a sec to try. |
| 08:44.27 | art3mis | you cant drop it on the buyback window |
| 08:44.36 | art3mis | its to buyback crap you're sold |
| 08:44.43 | art3mis | its not a sell frame |
| 08:45.08 | Guest718 | Ah. It worked thanks. I am a WOW nebwie |
| 08:45.14 | Guillotine | np :) |
| 08:45.15 | art3mis | ya don't say ;) |
| 08:45.29 | art3mis | thats okay guill is too |
| 08:45.44 | art3mis | once he asked how i "leveled" up his character |
| 08:45.56 | Guest718 | bye, off to play |
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| 08:46.00 | Guillotine | ~lart art3mis |
| 08:46.00 | purl | farts in art3mis's general direction |
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| 08:46.16 | Guillotine | oh wait |
| 08:46.18 | Guillotine | ~lart3mis |
| 08:46.19 | purl | ACTION smacks art3mis upside the head just cuz |
| 08:46.37 | art3mis | is that a euphemism? |
| 08:46.42 | art3mis | i hope not |
| 08:46.50 | Guillotine | lol |
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| 08:47.04 | art3mis | cncfanatics: pendrivelinux.com |
| 08:47.07 | durcyn | cncfanatics: i'm glad to hear you were able to salavage the relationship |
| 08:47.08 | cncfanatics | I was stuck with windows for a few days |
| 08:47.10 | art3mis | boot nix in winders ;P |
| 08:47.34 | cncfanatics | I'm currently copying my 120 gig of data over from network :( |
| 08:47.36 | art3mis | i have to redo my sbs2k3 tomorrow |
| 08:47.56 | art3mis | messed up the domain during install stupid typos |
| 08:48.07 | cncfanatics | :o |
| 08:48.12 | cncfanatics | does pendrivelinux work with debian ? |
| 08:48.22 | art3mis | works with quite a bit |
| 08:48.27 | art3mis | its just tailored qemu |
| 08:48.42 | art3mis | ubuntu, slax, redhat, puppy, debian, gOS |
| 08:48.58 | cncfanatics | <3 lovely |
| 08:49.01 | art3mis | even works with the runlinux thingy to boot livecds in an emulator inwdwer |
| 08:49.04 | cncfanatics | might make me buy a big usb key |
| 08:49.11 | art3mis | its pretty awesome |
| 08:49.27 | art3mis | only major downside is that its not good for gaming ;P |
| 08:49.32 | cncfanatics | obviously |
| 08:49.34 | art3mis | it loads a generic cirrus driver for video |
| 08:49.39 | reqol | what happens if your toc tries to load a file that isn't there? |
| 08:49.40 | cncfanatics | but the starting linux from an usb drive is fine for gaming |
| 08:49.52 | cncfanatics | reqol: it skips that file and tries the next |
| 08:49.59 | art3mis | works REALLY nice with DSL too |
| 08:50.04 | art3mis | damn small linux |
| 08:50.09 | art3mis | and antimepis |
| 08:50.09 | reqol | cool, so I can specify several 'module' files that the user can delete if he doesn't want the functionality contained within? |
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| 08:50.33 | reqol | also, sorry to interrupt your discussion! |
| 08:51.19 | art3mis | damn you and yer wow ui development discussion ;) |
| 08:51.33 | Cairenn | omg! not allowed! |
| 08:51.34 | art3mis | but yeah you can |
| 08:51.34 | cncfanatics | yes reqol |
| 08:51.55 | cncfanatics | btw, anyone coding with opengl on linux that can give me some pointers ? |
| 08:52.09 | art3mis | ya know what we should get cairenn for her birthday? |
| 08:52.16 | art3mis | leather pants ;) |
| 08:52.24 | cncfanatics | a full suit imo |
| 08:52.31 | cncfanatics | full leather suit |
| 08:52.41 | art3mis | heh with the wowi logo on the back |
| 08:52.45 | Cairenn | could use a new pair, yeah, lost some weight |
| 08:52.48 | Guillotine | A new keyboard, with catnip secretly hidden under the keys |
| 08:52.51 | art3mis | and a cleavage diamond on the front |
| 08:52.53 | Cairenn | Guillotine: lol |
| 08:53.11 | Guillotine | Seriously, that would be such an awesome prank. I have to try that sometime |
| 08:53.13 | art3mis | because cleavage diamons are how you tell the good twin from the evil twin |
| 08:53.24 | kd3 | o_O; |
| 08:53.25 | Tekkub | http://code.google.com/p/tekkub-wow/issues/detail?id=340 <--- late night entertainment! |
| 08:53.33 | art3mis | kd3: thats what xena taught me |
| 08:53.41 | art3mis | good xena no cleavage diamond |
| 08:53.46 | art3mis | bad xena cleavage diamond |
| 08:54.03 | art3mis | Cairenn: you have to try and get down ehre for Aug 10th |
| 08:54.14 | Cairenn | aug 10th? |
| 08:54.15 | art3mis | so you can come to jones beach |
| 08:54.27 | art3mis | Judas Priest, Motorhead and Testament |
| 08:54.35 | Cairenn | and I would want to go swimming anywhere aroun .. oooooooh! |
| 08:54.36 | Guillotine | Tekkub: lol |
| 08:54.48 | Cairenn | hmmmmmmm |
| 08:54.58 | Tekkub | where do these tards come from? |
| 08:55.07 | Tekkub | *looks at Tem|afk* |
| 08:55.14 | art3mis | http://www.livenation.com/artist/getArtist/artistId/13440?c=dm-455569&p=38711676 |
| 08:55.26 | art3mis | tickets go on sale April 26th at 10am |
| 08:55.29 | reqol | while I'm inclined to agree that renaming your addon would be a bit much, you could have handled that situation a bit more gracefully |
| 08:55.34 | reqol | just playing devil's advocate : ( |
| 08:55.38 | durcyn | Tekkub: can I touch you |
| 08:55.44 | Tekkub | and then there was this one earlier today: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7674-2.4.1.21%20Beta.html#comments |
| 08:55.59 | Tekkub | reqol, fuck grace |
| 08:56.12 | Tekkub | durcyn, where? |
| 08:56.36 | reqol | Tekkub: I expected a response akin to that |
| 08:56.40 | reqol | heh |
| 08:56.44 | durcyn | uh, i hadn't planned that far ahead yet |
| 08:57.00 | reqol | he didn't expect to get past that first comment |
| 08:57.15 | art3mis | oh tekk |
| 08:57.18 | art3mis | that reminds me |
| 08:57.31 | art3mis | is there a way to make tg skip to quests level based? |
| 08:57.44 | Tekkub | dawha? |
| 08:57.48 | Tekkub | just pick a guide |
| 08:58.05 | art3mis | so some awesome reason everytime ive used it on a level 40 or so ive had to skip through the first 80 quests to get to my level |
| 08:58.24 | Tekkub | I can't know what quests you've completed |
| 08:58.38 | art3mis | not saying you should |
| 08:58.48 | art3mis | but a /tg skip 40 would be handy ;P |
| 08:59.08 | Tekkub | ... just pick a guide... |
| 08:59.17 | art3mis | no |
| 08:59.18 | Tekkub | there is no /tg |
| 08:59.23 | art3mis | you go code as i tell you monkey! |
| 08:59.28 | art3mis | di di mau! |
| 08:59.29 | art3mis | ;) |
| 08:59.35 | art3mis | i actually dont care |
| 08:59.37 | Tekkub | Cairenn, kickban please |
| 08:59.45 | Tekkub | I don't have asshole powers here |
| 08:59.45 | Industrial | Question: Does talent +crit effects stack with base +crit? |
| 08:59.45 | art3mis | i figured i'd ahrass you about something inane |
| 09:00.00 | art3mis | you get off light |
| 09:00.03 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:00.06 | Guillotine | Tekkub: can you make it so that "/tg" go just levels for me using the guide? |
| 09:00.08 | art3mis | be thankful you're not Zoot ;) |
| 09:00.08 | Industrial | Question: How do I see a spell (e.g. lightning bolt) total crit with talents and everything? |
| 09:00.35 | art3mis | Industrial: guess |
| 09:00.36 | Tekkub | yea I just noticed Zooty there, got in some quality harassment :) |
| 09:00.40 | Industrial | art3mis: yes? |
| 09:00.47 | art3mis | no thats the answer |
| 09:00.50 | art3mis | you guess ;) |
| 09:00.52 | Tekkub | he listened to me once about the new config UI, maybe he will again |
| 09:00.53 | Industrial | :| |
| 09:01.11 | art3mis | you can take max spell+ whatever the talent gives +spelldamage mitigated |
| 09:01.31 | art3mis | and do some math |
| 09:01.35 | Industrial | I wanna know if I should pump my crit instead of only +dmg so that at level 69 I can get almost all crits and use very very little mana due to a talent that makes my next 2 bolts use 40% less mana |
| 09:01.41 | Guillotine | Industrial: yah, you're either going to have to manually enter data for talents or do some tooltip scanning |
| 09:01.45 | art3mis | what are you? |
| 09:01.54 | Guillotine | probably shammy |
| 09:01.59 | Industrial | cause at 69 noone has resilience |
| 09:02.00 | Industrial | and then i win |
| 09:02.02 | Industrial | ;D |
| 09:02.04 | Industrial | (in bg) |
| 09:02.05 | Guillotine | Unless some other class learned how to use lightning bolts |
| 09:02.08 | art3mis | geerally 10-20% is enough for a good 4/7 crits |
| 09:02.32 | art3mis | Guillotine: missed that i just read it as bolts ;) |
| 09:02.33 | Industrial | yeah its at 8% now but i crit quite a lot due to talents, so i dont get it :> |
| 09:03.04 | art3mis | there is a mage mod for that |
| 09:03.14 | art3mis | shouldnt be too hard to mod theorycraft for shammy |
| 09:03.45 | Industrial | http://vashj-eu.warcrafter.net/Xamth |
| 09:03.47 | Industrial | this site does it |
| 09:03.53 | Industrial | I think :p |
| 09:04.02 | durcyn | hey, my mage casts lightning bolts from the illhoof trinket, don't discriminate. |
| 09:04.21 | art3mis | whats that other trinket that does it |
| 09:04.38 | Industrial | the one that charges and then fires after getting hit 3x, I want that |
| 09:04.47 | art3mis | ior is the illhoof one the one that fires off lighting if you get critted |
| 09:04.51 | Industrial | cause undoubtedly it benefits from +dmg :p |
| 09:04.56 | art3mis | yeah that one |
| 09:05.13 | reqol | octane |
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| 09:06.02 | Guillotine | Tekkub: haha, tekticles wins |
| 09:06.04 | art3mis | welp bed time for me! |
| 09:06.07 | art3mis | ni ni kiddies |
| 09:06.15 | Industrial | nn art3mis |
| 09:06.34 | Industrial | Can anyone recommend me a new shield btw? been wielding this since 62 :p |
| 09:10.07 | Tekkub | Guillotine, yup and it's a "safe enough" name to put on WoWI |
| 09:10.44 | Industrial | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=25081 |
| 09:10.52 | Industrial | of the invoker - i have one |
| 09:11.03 | Industrial | meybe I should wield that instead :\ |
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| 09:26.48 | josephy | hi guys |
| 09:29.28 | zenzelezz | heya |
| 09:31.23 | reqol | hi : ) |
| 09:33.48 | josephy | 1st time joining this chan. i want to make my own little addon for wow and figured this might be a place to find some people in the know ;) |
| 09:34.23 | [melin] | josephy oh.. sorry.. this is a chat room for how to make lemonade.. |
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| 09:34.50 | [melin] | nah this is the place.. anything you want help with? |
| 09:35.22 | josephy | heheh... well.. its all new to me ... the idea of even writing my own addon ... i'm still looking into the basics at this stage. |
| 09:35.58 | [melin] | I suggest you do something basic.. |
| 09:36.18 | [melin] | a clock addon, an addon that changes the look of guildchat etc |
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| 10:18.21 | cncfanatics | ~seen Shirik |
| 10:18.35 | purl | shirik <i=skullsho@conspiracy/developer/Shirik> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 3h 15m 30s ago, saying: 'I will try what Iriel said'. |
| 10:18.43 | cncfanatics | damn he's away |
| 10:21.33 | cncfanatics | anyone knows what keyword to use when declaring variables in header files ? (c++) |
| 10:21.59 | cncfanatics | I forgot :( |
| 10:23.10 | Guillotine | err, depends on how you are going to use it |
| 10:24.36 | batrick | #define |
| 10:24.57 | Guillotine | I don't think thats what he means |
| 10:25.05 | Guillotine | cncfanatics: do you mean public? |
| 10:25.08 | Guillotine | e.g. |
| 10:25.21 | Guillotine | public int myiq=5000; |
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| 10:25.53 | batrick | i found his wording a little confusing but assumed he meant constant |
| 10:26.12 | Guillotine | yah, it is a bit confusing |
| 10:26.36 | Guillotine | Mine is correct if he means 'header file', yours if he means |
| 10:26.39 | Guillotine | 'header of the file' |
| 10:26.45 | Guillotine | *shrug* |
| 10:26.47 | Guillotine | anyway, night all |
| 10:26.57 | batrick | O.o |
| 10:27.07 | batrick | i think you are backwards |
| 10:27.14 | batrick | Mine <-> yours |
| 10:28.57 | cncfanatics | I ment extern |
| 10:29.00 | cncfanatics | found it in the meantime |
| 10:29.14 | Guillotine | haha, ok |
| 10:29.24 | Guillotine | so you meant to use a variable FROM a header :P |
| 10:29.30 | cncfanatics | no |
| 10:29.40 | cncfanatics | well, kind of |
| 10:30.00 | Guillotine | Are you writing the header file or using it? |
| 10:30.23 | cncfanatics | I'm writing |
| 10:30.33 | Guillotine | then I think you want to use public |
| 10:31.06 | cncfanatics | I just had a variable declared in a file that was also used in other files |
| 10:31.06 | cncfanatics | so I had to put a decleration of that var in said file's header |
| 10:31.06 | cncfanatics | which is done with the extern keyword |
| 10:31.08 | cncfanatics | or am I messing up things ? |
| 10:31.12 | Guillotine | http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/C_Sharp_Programming/Keywords/extern vs. http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/C_Sharp_Programming/Keywords/public |
| 10:31.20 | Guillotine | (btw, wikibooks is a nice reference for this sort of thing) |
| 10:31.55 | Guillotine | anyway, its 3:30, so I'm really heading to bed now :P night |
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| 10:32.48 | cncfanatics | damn c++ is so anoying to learn :p |
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| 10:36.23 | cncfanatics | bleh, how do I compile a file again without linking it ? |
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| 10:47.12 | batrick | cncfanatics: that's definitely NOT what you want to do |
| 10:47.38 | batrick | when you put that variable in the header file, it will create a global variable wherever it is included |
| 10:47.52 | cncfanatics | thats exactly what I want |
| 10:47.59 | batrick | the linker may do some very interesting things... |
| 10:48.09 | batrick | s/interesting/unwanted/ |
| 10:48.19 | cncfanatics | thats why its an extern variable |
| 10:49.14 | cncfanatics | or am I misunderstanding things ? |
| 10:49.23 | cncfanatics | my files compiled and linked just fine |
| 10:49.31 | batrick | perhaps it is |
| 10:50.00 | batrick | you should know that all variables defined outside a procedure are by default extern[al] by the way |
| 10:50.54 | Adys | Conspiracy mode on, did blizz change the orange of legendary items in 2.4.2? |
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| 10:53.19 | cncfanatics | batrick: I have a file main.cpp |
| 10:53.25 | cncfanatics | that file creates a window using glut |
| 10:54.07 | cncfanatics | and creates a global variable called WindowID |
| 10:54.20 | cncfanatics | now, another file needs to destroy the window |
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| 10:54.26 | cncfanatics | so it needs that WindowID |
| 10:54.38 | cncfanatics | I found no other way then putting extern int WindowID; in main.h |
| 10:55.18 | batrick | you can simply put it in main.cpp |
| 10:55.40 | cncfanatics | then I can't access the var from InputHandler |
| 10:55.47 | cncfanatics | InputHandler.cpp |
| 10:55.48 | batrick | (that's where it will end up anyway), but there will be another unused variable in the other object file |
| 10:56.11 | cncfanatics | I need to access the var in InputHandler.cpp |
| 10:56.29 | batrick | how are you compiling it? |
| 10:56.50 | cncfanatics | g++ -Wall -lglut -O main.cpp DrawScene.cpp InputHandler.cpp; g++ -Wall -lGL -lGLU -lglut -O main.cpp DrawScene.cpp InputHandler.cpp -o opengl |
| 10:57.14 | batrick | put main.cpp after InputHandler.cpp |
| 10:58.47 | cncfanatics | I think you misunderstand, the one that declars the var is main.cpp |
| 10:58.58 | cncfanatics | the ones that need the var are main.cpp and InputHandler.cpp |
| 11:01.12 | batrick | i unfortunately don't have my book on me that has what I need to help you with that |
| 11:01.29 | cncfanatics | hmmm, I'd probably need to buy one of those books myself |
| 11:01.35 | cncfanatics | google is a handy source but all info ain't as correct |
| 11:03.08 | batrick | google is lacking in the small details |
| 11:03.34 | batrick | I don't think the header file is necessary but i'm having the same problems on my box |
| 11:03.45 | batrick | I remember an example in the book on this but I can't remember what they did differently |
| 11:04.25 | batrick | I thought declaring the variable inside one of the .c files was sufficient for the compiler to figure things out correctly |
| 11:05.30 | batrick | cncfanatics: are you initializing the variable? |
| 11:06.19 | cncfanatics | int WindowID; in main.cpp |
| 11:06.27 | cncfanatics | then in the actual main func it gets assigned |
| 11:06.59 | batrick | ok well that determines whether it is a strong or weak (global) symbol |
| 11:07.31 | batrick | you can only have one strong symbol in all your .c files (strong being an initialized variable) |
| 11:08.54 | batrick | maybe clad knows what you need to do, maybe you're right to declare it in the header file |
| 11:15.30 | batrick | anyway i'm going to sleep, i'll try to find an answer for you tomorrow cncfanatics |
| 11:16.48 | cncfanatics | tnx batrick |
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| 11:58.34 | cncfanatics | ~seen nevcairiel |
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| 11:58.43 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel: you around ? |
| 11:58.51 | nevcairiel | no |
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| 12:00.21 | cncfanatics | good |
| 12:00.35 | cncfanatics | I've been trying out glut |
| 12:00.43 | cncfanatics | is there an easy way to find out if a key is pressed ? |
| 12:00.47 | cncfanatics | except relying on the event |
| 12:01.16 | nevcairiel | the glut keyboard callbacks |
| 12:02.21 | cncfanatics | those callbacks don't trigger for ctrl, alt, arrow keys, F keys and the like :( |
| 12:02.21 | nevcairiel | glutKeyboardFunc .. glutKeyboardUpFunc .. glutSpecialFunc .. glutSpecialUpFunc .. |
| 12:02.35 | nevcairiel | use the glutSpecialFunc and SpecialUpFunc |
| 12:02.40 | nevcairiel | those trigger for the special keys |
| 12:02.47 | cncfanatics | thanks :) |
| 12:03.03 | cncfanatics | I can use the same handler func for both glutKeyboard & glutSpecial right ? |
| 12:03.12 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 12:03.52 | cncfanatics | hmmm, nope I can't |
| 12:04.03 | cncfanatics | KeyboardFunc takes a handler with (char, int int) |
| 12:04.07 | nevcairiel | http://wowi.pastey.net/86745 |
| 12:04.08 | cncfanatics | specialFunc is (int, int, int) |
| 12:04.11 | nevcairiel | i used something like that |
| 12:04.20 | nevcairiel | one central handler |
| 12:04.22 | nevcairiel | with 4 dispatchers |
| 12:04.27 | nevcairiel | ignore the german comments :P |
| 12:04.39 | nevcairiel | a char is just a int |
| 12:04.40 | nevcairiel | ;) |
| 12:04.44 | cncfanatics | true |
| 12:05.00 | cncfanatics | say I wanted to rotate the camera in response to the arrow keys |
| 12:05.14 | cncfanatics | I'd use some variables |
| 12:05.17 | cncfanatics | and change those variables |
| 12:05.23 | cncfanatics | then my draw loop would use those variables for its angle ? |
| 12:05.46 | nevcairiel | yeah in theory |
| 12:05.53 | nevcairiel | my first assignment was a mini game |
| 12:06.07 | cncfanatics | I want to make a tower-defense type game with opengl as a start |
| 12:06.08 | nevcairiel | where you used the arrow keys to control a basket thats supposed to catch falling objects |
| 12:06.31 | nevcairiel | so on key down i set moving = true |
| 12:06.39 | nevcairiel | or rather, moving[direction] = true |
| 12:06.44 | nevcairiel | and on release, i unset that |
| 12:06.51 | cncfanatics | yea, pretty basic |
| 12:07.45 | cncfanatics | thanks nevcairiel :) |
| 12:08.36 | sag_ich_nicht | asdasfdsf |
| 12:08.46 | sag_ich_nicht | something is wrong with either warrior or druid tank aggro in threat-2.0 |
| 12:08.47 | sag_ich_nicht | >_< |
| 12:08.47 | cncfanatics | amg, I didn't see that coming :o |
| 12:09.25 | nevcairiel | i didnt see anything wrong over the last week or so |
| 12:11.45 | cncfanatics | hmmmmm, I need a reboot to finish my damn fglrx install |
| 12:11.47 | cncfanatics | but I can't atm |
| 12:11.53 | cncfanatics | so opengl rendering sucks atm :( |
| 12:19.37 | cncfanatics | <3 namespaces |
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| 12:31.24 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel: Special takes the arrow keys, but not ctrl, alt, caps lock, etc |
| 12:33.22 | nevcairiel | yeah maybe, you can poll them with glutGetModifiers though |
| 12:35.34 | cncfanatics | what about the F keys ? |
| 12:36.14 | cncfanatics | F1, F2, etc |
| 12:37.05 | nevcairiel | special func should pick those up just fine |
| 12:37.53 | nevcairiel | GLUT_KEY_F1 |
| 12:37.56 | nevcairiel | etc |
| 12:38.28 | cncfanatics | you're right |
| 12:38.38 | cncfanatics | only scroll lock, print screen & pause break aren't picked up |
| 12:38.43 | cncfanatics | and I was just trying with those -.- |
| 12:41.25 | nevcairiel | there are other utility libs that probably offer more coverage over all the features |
| 12:41.35 | nevcairiel | glut is just the easiest for learning |
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| 12:47.48 | SpiderBK | hi |
| 12:49.20 | sag_ich_nicht | LOL |
| 12:49.21 | sag_ich_nicht | we just headed into MC with 4 man, killed the first molten giant, [Teebu's Blazing Longsword] dropped. |
| 12:49.28 | SpiderBK | if i created a frame in lua and want to move it on mouse down, how does this work if i dont have the xml <OnMouseDown> ? |
| 12:49.47 | cncfanatics | Frame:RegisterScript("OnMouseDown", function() ... end); |
| 12:50.29 | SpiderBK | and where do i put this? |
| 12:50.46 | Gotai | Isn't it SetScript. |
| 12:51.15 | foxlit | it is |
| 12:52.05 | cncfanatics | SetScript yea ups |
| 12:52.09 | cncfanatics | too used to using my own API :p |
| 12:52.16 | Gotai | SpiderBK: You put it in the lua somewhere after you create the frame. |
| 12:52.17 | cncfanatics | which I called RegisterScript |
| 12:52.29 | SpiderBK | Gotai: thx |
| 12:53.11 | Gotai | Also, don't forget to set frame:EnableMouse and frame:Movable |
| 12:54.03 | Gotai | And make sure you set an OnMouseUp as well with :StopMovingOrSizing, or you're just going to end up with a frame stuck on your cursor. |
| 12:55.01 | Gotai | While we're on this subject. Is there any advantage to using RegisterForDrag and OnDragStop/Start instead of just using OnMouseUp/Down? |
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| 12:57.29 | cncfanatics | its handy when you don't want dragging to start right away |
| 12:57.32 | cncfanatics | like actionbuttons |
| 12:57.42 | cncfanatics | an action is only dragged off a button if you have been dragging it for a while |
| 12:58.04 | cncfanatics | if you'd use OnMouseDown and OnMouseUp for that it'd be way too touchy |
| 12:59.08 | Gotai | Ah right, thanks. :) |
| 13:00.08 | cncfanatics | I don't know any uses for it except that though :s :p |
| 13:00.09 | cncfanatics | anyone ? |
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| 13:09.36 | cncfanatics | hmmm, what is better practice in C |
| 13:09.46 | cncfanatics | declare variables inside or outside a loop ? |
| 13:10.24 | cncfanatics | int WillChangeEveryIteration; for(...) { WillChangeEveryIteration = ...; } vs for(...) { int WillChangeEveryIteration = ...; } |
| 13:10.53 | nevcairiel | inside |
| 13:11.12 | cncfanatics | any specific reasons ? |
| 13:12.09 | nevcairiel | the compiler can optimize that better |
| 13:12.32 | nevcairiel | depends on your code, though |
| 13:12.45 | nevcairiel | ANSI C requires you to define the var at function beginning |
| 13:14.08 | cncfanatics | c++ |
| 13:15.21 | zenzelezz | just a nitpick, don't ask about "C" when you're talking "C++" :) |
| 13:15.47 | cncfanatics | its the same for 80% of things |
| 13:15.52 | cncfanatics | and my code is not really c++ atm, so |
| 13:16.23 | zenzelezz | doesn't matter how similar they are; your question could still touch the differences |
| 13:17.10 | Industrial | http://www.break.com/index/she-has-a-boyfriend.html |
| 13:17.13 | Industrial | lo@this |
| 13:27.01 | Xinhuan | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5974361901&postId=59737762284&sid=1#0 |
| 13:27.02 | Xinhuan | i loled |
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| 13:57.02 | sag_ich_nicht | lol |
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| 14:03.46 | sag_ich_nicht | oh |
| 14:03.47 | sag_ich_nicht | ! |
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| 14:06.39 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning to you too, dear. Is that how geeks flirt on Sundays? |
| 14:08.27 | sag_ich_nicht | nope |
| 14:08.33 | sag_ich_nicht | i just like throwing sheeps at you |
| 14:08.58 | Cide | that's not nice |
| 14:09.04 | Lopeppeppy | Oh. Thank you then, I wasn't sure what to have for breakfast before I came to the lounge. Problem solved. |
| 14:09.11 | Lopeppeppy | But I do like Cide's answer better. |
| 14:13.22 | Lopeppeppy | Awww. No fair using physics against a girl on a Sunday. |
| 14:13.54 | Polarina | sag_ich_nicht: You don't say "sheeps". |
| 14:14.18 | Cide | he did. |
| 14:14.23 | Lopeppeppy | I approve of sheeps. |
| 14:14.58 | sag_ich_nicht | Polarina: i just did |
| 14:14.59 | sag_ich_nicht | SHEEPS |
| 14:15.02 | sag_ich_nicht | there |
| 14:15.11 | sag_ich_nicht | can't stop me, now can you? :> |
| 14:15.29 | Polarina | sag_ich_nicht: It's just not the same word as "sheep". |
| 14:15.55 | Lopeppeppy | No, it's patently not. |
| 14:16.16 | Lopeppeppy | It's kind of a funny picking-on-Peppy phrase, it doesn't have to be grammatical to be an in-joke. |
| 14:16.25 | Cide | >>> ("sheep"):len() == ("sheeps"):len() |
| 14:16.25 | Cide | Cide: false |
| 14:16.30 | Polarina | Of Course. :) |
| 14:20.01 | sag_ich_nicht | if you think of it as picking on you i'll stop Lopeppeppy :P |
| 14:21.36 | Lopeppeppy | I like it, sag_ich_nicht, it makes me feel welcome. *smile* Relax. |
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| 14:21.55 | Lopeppeppy | If I can't handle sheeps, I shouldn't be a redneck geek gamer girl. |
| 14:22.37 | Kaso | Does anyone remeber what limitations there were to get a beta invite last time, i mean the "you must have had an account for x time" |
| 14:24.38 | Lopeppeppy | I think there was "no password change in X time" as well. |
| 14:24.48 | Lopeppeppy | But I could be crazy wrong about that crap. |
| 14:25.43 | Kaso | i recall that |
| 14:26.07 | Kaso | Im looking for figures, my account is deactivated atm, and i want to see if i can time my reactivation right :> |
| 14:27.37 | Lopeppeppy | Ugh. Without having a "launch date" for "potential beta" there's no way to reverse-engineer good date information! |
| 14:28.36 | Kaso | true, perhaps i'll just have to bite the bullet and re-reg fairly now |
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| 14:33.39 | Kaso | http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2835366 |
| 14:33.43 | Kaso | This thread is amusing |
| 14:34.19 | nevcairiel | only registered |
| 14:34.21 | nevcairiel | ftl |
| 14:34.25 | Kaso | oh damnit |
| 14:34.35 | Kaso | i thought gbs was still open nowadays >.< |
| 14:35.46 | Kaso | well its about someone's younger brother taking pictures of himself and them photoshopping in wow items onto himself+friend with hillarious results |
| 14:36.25 | Kaso | http://www.tittyfactory.com/wow/2.JPG |
| 14:36.26 | Kaso | http://www.tittyfactory.com/wow/10.JPG |
| 14:36.32 | Kaso | (work safe dispite url) |
| 14:36.45 | Kaso | http://img.waffleimages.com/265735122ede5ee097b12d3cc1c3e6261e3fccc7/1469729061_l.jpg |
| 14:37.42 | nevcairiel | rofl |
| 14:37.46 | nevcairiel | that looks so crapppy |
| 14:38.26 | Kaso | im trying to work out why the first one has a caster helm on |
| 14:38.43 | nevcairiel | probably because it looks so gay |
| 15:03.07 | Industrial | Anyone know a site like stage6 (dead, yes) with wow movies which _isnt_ warcraftmovies.com ? |
| 15:03.36 | Industrial | wcmovies sucks :( all the ads and embedding shit in a small frame, not being able to make them full screen and half doesnt even egt streamed |
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| 15:16.13 | sag_ich_nicht | [16:36] <Kaso> (work safe dispite url) <--until your sysadmin skims the proxy logs without checking the actual links. |
| 15:16.26 | Kaso | true |
| 15:17.20 | Kaso | but hey, if the page i'd linked had worked those images wouldve been inline and you wouldve have had a chance. |
| 15:17.33 | Kaso | im not sure what my point is there, but im sure theres a point somehow |
| 15:23.50 | sag_ich_nicht | ~stab Kaso |
| 15:23.51 | purl | ACTION runs at Kaso with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 15:24.02 | Lopeppeppy | Kaso, did you have coffee this morning? |
| 15:25.01 | Kaso | Im still wearing what i slept in and its 4:30pm here |
| 15:25.08 | Kaso | Ive done nothing so far today >.< let alone coffee |
| 15:25.45 | ScytheBlade1 | heh could be worse |
| 15:25.50 | ScytheBlade1 | You could have woken up, and then thrown up! |
| 15:25.56 | ScytheBlade1 | That counts for something, right? |
| 15:27.42 | Lopeppeppy | .... happy hangover. |
| 15:27.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah. On ribs, at that, as I don't drink. |
| 15:28.10 | Lopeppeppy | How do you get hungover on ribs? |
| 15:28.13 | ScytheBlade1 | So it's just "something I ate disagreed with me" |
| 15:28.17 | Lopeppeppy | Oh. |
| 15:28.27 | Lopeppeppy | Okay. Food poisoning is insidious. *comfort* |
| 15:28.32 | ScytheBlade1 | heh, thanks |
| 15:51.34 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel: whats a good format to store textures in ? |
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| 16:19.29 | SpiderBK | blp or tga |
| 16:21.03 | cncfanatics | ty |
| 16:21.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: haha, I just noticed your signature. "Lopeppeppy Sprocket Erth'algos" |
| 16:21.21 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:21.46 | Lopeppeppy | Which part are you approving? |
| 16:21.52 | ScytheBlade1 | The part I quoted |
| 16:22.14 | Lopeppeppy | Peppy is a married lady, she uses both her original and married names. :) |
| 16:22.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Actually I was hoping to get a rise out of cog, but it seems that he isn't here :( |
| 16:22.44 | Lopeppeppy | Cogwheel knows my alliegance to the Sprockets! |
| 16:22.46 | cncfanatics | SpiderBK: any way to load tga's easely ? |
| 16:22.46 | ScytheBlade1 | But just the same, /approve ;) |
| 16:23.05 | Lopeppeppy | Pep Sprocket is a hoot and half, you should have an IC conversation with me someday. |
| 16:23.15 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 16:23.16 | ScytheBlade1 | I fear |
| 16:23.25 | Lopeppeppy | You should. Rawr. |
| 16:24.55 | SpiderBK | cncfanatics: you can load them like the wow textures |
| 16:25.37 | cncfanatics | SpiderBK: my c++ app has to load them :) |
| 16:25.43 | ScytheBlade1 | heh, enjoy |
| 16:26.11 | cncfanatics | anyway, I need a reboot |
| 16:26.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Whoo another "carbonite quest isn't free lol ban it" thread |
| 16:26.22 | cncfanatics | been installing a new kernel, new graphics drivers and more without a reboot, bad things |
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| 16:29.14 | cncfanatics | done rebooting, much better |
| 16:29.33 | cncfanatics | vesa tends to segfault if you uninstall and still use it after its uninstallation :p |
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| 16:34.45 | Shirik|Ecole | ~logs |
| 16:34.46 | purl | i heard logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 16:35.51 | cncfanatics | :o, Shirik|Ecole is here ! :p |
| 16:35.57 | Shirik|Ecole | sjj |
| 16:35.58 | Shirik|Ecole | shh |
| 16:35.59 | Shirik|Ecole | no I'm not |
| 16:37.07 | cncfanatics | any smooth way to get textures loaded with opengl ? |
| 16:37.17 | cncfanatics | I've been checking multiple sources and there's no real clean code :( |
| 16:37.40 | Shirik|Ecole | ~seen Shirik|AFK |
| 16:37.45 | purl | shirik|afk <i=skullsho@conspiracy/developer/Shirik> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 2d 14h 48m ago, saying: 'then why were they so concerned about life tap nerfs?'. |
| 16:38.02 | Shirik|Ecole | odd question |
| 16:38.09 | Shirik|Ecole | does anyone know my IP address? >.> (Not this one) |
| 16:38.18 | cncfanatics | lol |
| 16:38.32 | ScytheBlade1 | There's no other Shirik in here, so, no :) |
| 16:38.41 | cncfanatics | your other comp is not connected, so can't figure it out |
| 16:40.54 | Matrix110| | ahhh |
| 16:41.05 | Matrix110| | where do i disable this deposit cost thingy from AucAdv |
| 16:41.09 | Matrix110| | cant find it in the options |
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| 16:44.33 | cogwheel | wtb corporate hit men to destroy comcast |
| 16:44.50 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.09 | Zeksie | slovenia is a good place to start |
| 16:45.24 | ScytheBlade1 | My random, "hey check out my 5 second latency with my SSH connections" turned out to be comcast futzing with just my SSH connections |
| 16:45.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Thanks, comcast! For providing such a high quality service! |
| 16:45.56 | cogwheel | I've ranted about them lowering the speed and raising the price when you only get high speed internet through them... Then they have the gall to send me an ad saying "Increase your speed and pay less by signing up for basic cable!" |
| 16:49.13 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/04/27/funny-pictures-i-thawt-ur-lol-wuz-funy/ |
| 16:51.33 | cncfanatics | can anyone confirm me that the width & height of a RAW image file are equal to sqrt (filesize / 3) ? |
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| 16:57.45 | art3mis | nope i cant |
| 16:58.01 | art3mis | not without you joining the club and paying the processing fee |
| 16:59.23 | cncfanatics | ~shoot art3mis |
| 16:59.24 | purl | ACTION shoots art3mis in the ear with a phase pistol! |
| 17:01.26 | art3mis | "do you know how fast you were going?" "yes, but i don't know where i am" |
| 17:03.32 | art3mis | like monday night RAW? |
| 17:03.49 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel: dirty :( |
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| 17:06.08 | cncfanatics | now I just need to figure how to make gimp save in raw format |
| 17:07.12 | cncfanatics | :( |
| 17:07.42 | cncfanatics | sigh, irritating |
| 17:17.22 | zenzelezz | "I designed my own bitmap font for use with Emacs, because I hate the way the ASCII apostrophe and the left open quote have morphed into independent symbols that no longer match each other visually." -- Donald Knuth is just awesome |
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| 17:29.34 | cogwheel | I did something similar once... |
| 17:31.27 | zenzelezz | well, of all the "big people" in computer history/science, Knuth and Stroustrup have to be my favorites (if only because I tend to agree with them on things) |
| 17:33.32 | Iriel | I find I agree with those two as well |
| 17:33.47 | Iriel | The recent knuth interview (I noticed /. finally bothered to link it) was good |
| 17:34.10 | zenzelezz | yeah, just read that one |
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| 17:43.22 | cncfanatics | hmmmmm, my opengl is being weird |
| 17:47.29 | cncfanatics | hmmm, WTF ? |
| 17:48.42 | cncfanatics | anyone with experience with opengl ? I'm rotating a triangle, and when it has rotated 180° it turns into a square, which then rotates 180° too before turning back to a triangle (I'm not drawing squares anywhere, only one triangle) |
| 17:51.41 | Iriel | I've forgotten all of my openGL terminology unfortunately |
| 17:52.10 | Iriel | is it a simple 3 point polygon (i.e. not a compound triangle of smaller triangles or other shapes)? |
| 17:54.16 | cncfanatics | it was a simple triangle |
| 17:55.03 | Adys | if anyone's interested, zezula released mpqeditor version 2 a few days ago |
| 17:55.09 | Adys | *just noticed that* |
| 17:55.31 | Iriel | cncfanatics: Odd then, you may want to check you didn't accidently supply 4 vertices |
| 17:55.31 | Duman | forums assploded I think |
| 17:55.50 | Duman | (wow forums) |
| 17:56.11 | cncfanatics | I didn't, its very weird Iriel |
| 17:56.17 | cncfanatics | anyway, i'm trying something else now |
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| 18:00.26 | cncfanatics | damn, my rotation is totaly unnatural now |
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| 18:01.18 | Duman | last openGL I did was like 12-13 years ago, in college... I don't think I remember any, sorry :-( |
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| 18:01.40 | cncfanatics | I'm trying to learn glut & opengl on my own atm :p |
| 18:01.42 | cncfanatics | a bit tricky |
| 18:01.47 | cncfanatics | glut alone works, opengl alone is ok |
| 18:01.50 | cncfanatics | but both :p |
| 18:01.52 | Duman | hmm, I have a GL book somewhere |
| 18:02.45 | Duman | hah, found it |
| 18:03.51 | zenzelezz | my initial results of OpenGL rotation were a gimbal lock |
| 18:06.18 | Duman | hmm |
| 18:06.28 | Duman | I wonder if any of the stuff in this book is outdated |
| 18:06.37 | Duman | you just using GL_POLYGON ? |
| 18:06.45 | cncfanatics | I was using GL_TRIANGLE |
| 18:06.50 | cncfanatics | I'm messing with lines atm |
| 18:06.53 | Duman | ahh |
| 18:06.54 | cncfanatics | but it also fucks up on me with angles |
| 18:06.58 | zenzelezz | unlikely, been a long time since OpenGL was significantly changed (not counting extensions) |
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| 18:07.17 | Iriel | they dont seem to change OpenGL as much as create an endless stream of extensions |
| 18:07.52 | zenzelezz | OpenGL 2.0, real soon now! Maybe... |
| 18:08.21 | cncfanatics | and now nothing is displayed at all |
| 18:08.21 | cncfanatics | sigh |
| 18:09.26 | Duman | are you translating it off your screen ors ometheing? |
| 18:09.33 | Duman | (accidentally) |
| 18:10.27 | cncfanatics | good now, it seems my reshape function is messy |
| 18:10.30 | cncfanatics | commented it out |
| 18:10.43 | cncfanatics | but now my translations are weird and don't match the expected result at all |
| 18:11.13 | cncfanatics | Duman: are you on linux ? |
| 18:11.21 | Duman | when I did gl, I was :) |
| 18:11.25 | Duman | not right now, no, sorry |
| 18:11.25 | cncfanatics | if so, I just uploaded my executable at http://cncfanatic.free.fr/opengl |
| 18:11.28 | cncfanatics | damn |
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| 18:13.22 | zenzelezz | you axis thing spins wildly while I move the window o_O |
| 18:14.06 | cncfanatics | try using the arrowk eys |
| 18:14.09 | cncfanatics | arrow keys* |
| 18:14.12 | cncfanatics | all sort of weird things happen |
| 18:14.13 | zenzelezz | did |
| 18:14.18 | zenzelezz | how are you rotating? |
| 18:14.35 | cncfanatics | pastying |
| 18:14.42 | cncfanatics | I can make a pyramid / cube rotate when not using glut |
| 18:15.23 | cncfanatics | http://pastey.net/86757 |
| 18:15.28 | cncfanatics | pastied my drawing & input handlers |
| 18:16.45 | cncfanatics | I'm kind of lots now , seems glut uses a totaly different coordinate system |
| 18:18.47 | cncfanatics | I'm currently trying to paste code from one of nehe's tutorial into my DrawScene method |
| 18:19.45 | zenzelezz | while it's been ages since I did OpenGL, and I sucked at it, I think the general opinion was don't use glRotate. It can gimbal lock and whatnot. At least people recommended I use a rotation (or was it translation?) matrix instead |
| 18:20.47 | cncfanatics | I just pastied some code from one of nehe's tutos |
| 18:20.56 | cncfanatics | and it results in a nice pretty totaly black window |
| 18:21.16 | cncfanatics | so there must be something wrong elsewhere |
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| 18:38.22 | SpiderBK | what could be the reason that checkbox:GetChecked(false) returns a nil value error? wrong object name? |
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| 18:45.17 | Lopeppeppy | I hate when forum search is not working right. *grump* |
| 18:50.59 | Gotai | SpiderBK: As far as I know GetChecked does not take arguments, and instead will return true or false depending on the checkbox state. |
| 18:51.29 | Lopeppeppy | Thank you, zenzelezz. :) |
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| 18:57.21 | Gotai | Ah, sorry, it actually returns nil/1, not true or false. |
| 18:58.38 | ScytheBlade1 | MentalPower|ZzZz: ping for when you wake up! I installed the latest auctioneer advanced suite, and the first thing it does is yell at me saying that I need to update Auctioneer. |
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| 19:14.01 | Crysli | 'llo |
| 19:14.55 | Corrodias | yo |
| 19:15.04 | Corrodias | or should i say, gree' |
| 19:15.33 | Crysli | Heh. |
| 19:15.44 | Crysli | Oh dear god, not another Drum of Battle thread |
| 19:15.57 | Gotai | Eh? Where? |
| 19:16.14 | Gotai | I thought they got over that by now... |
| 19:16.28 | Corrodias | got over what? |
| 19:17.05 | Crysli | Gotai: US Forums. |
| 19:17.27 | Gotai | Ah |
| 19:17.29 | Crysli | I think your angry post in the last one made them think twice on the EU ones. |
| 19:17.41 | Corrodias | can you link me to one? i don't know what's going on |
| 19:17.45 | Industrial | Anyone know a site that will let me shop for items for my char and makes it possible _not_ to list items as upgrades that are from other specs and also actually works with level requirements? |
| 19:18.19 | Gotai | Eh? I thought I fixed that last Drums macro? |
| 19:18.22 | Industrial | wanna see where I can get the best items for my sham at level 69 :p |
| 19:18.43 | Crysli | Gotai: I think you did too. |
| 19:19.07 | Crysli | Btw, have you had your coffee? |
| 19:19.12 | Gotai | Yes ^^ |
| 19:19.28 | Crysli | Good. |
| 19:19.32 | Industrial | (http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Vashj&n=Xamth) |
| 19:19.35 | Crysli | Now you can go to the boards |
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| 19:27.35 | Industrial | actually the armory itself seems to be the best site so far for listing upgrades |
| 19:27.42 | Industrial | http://eu.wowarmory.com/search.xml?searchType=items&pr=Vashj&pn=Xamth&pi=24668 |
| 19:27.49 | Industrial | but its listing one page of 70 items and I want max 69 :\ |
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| 19:34.09 | Kyahx | Shirik: question...where does the WoW-I UI updater keep it's settings? |
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| 19:37.33 | MentalPower | ScytheBlade1: whats the exact message it spits out? |
| 19:39.21 | ScytheBlade1 | MentalPower: a plaintext error message - that enchantrix needs a newer version of auctioneer |
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| 19:40.21 | Antiarc | Man |
| 19:40.31 | Antiarc | The temptation to troll that Carbonite thread in the UI forums is staggeringly tempting |
| 19:40.33 | JoshBorke | woman |
| 19:40.37 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 19:40.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, I wouldn't blame you |
| 19:40.49 | sag_ich_nicht | i have bugs for you, madman |
| 19:40.54 | Antiarc | Bug me up, dude. |
| 19:41.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: speaking of your baby, what did you think of my AoE tanking mode suggestions? Doable? |
| 19:41.42 | Antiarc | TBH, I don't even remember what the suggestion was :( |
| 19:41.47 | Antiarc | I have been INSANELY busy lately. |
| 19:41.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Make AoE mode function for tanks |
| 19:41.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah, then no worries :) |
| 19:42.01 | Antiarc | On top of WoW stuff, I'm working on securing venture capital for my business |
| 19:42.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I should be clear: it functions, but it's pretty much worthless |
| 19:42.07 | Antiarc | Which as been, uh, time consuming |
| 19:42.10 | Lopeppeppy | Okay. I'm having a total blonde moment. What is "tbh", I can't figure it!!! |
| 19:42.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh, understandably |
| 19:42.16 | Antiarc | "to be honest" |
| 19:42.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: to be honest |
| 19:42.21 | Lopeppeppy | Frak. |
| 19:42.22 | Lopeppeppy | I |
| 19:42.23 | Lopeppeppy | am |
| 19:42.25 | Lopeppeppy | stupid. :) |
| 19:42.27 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 19:42.30 | Lopeppeppy | Thank you ScytheBlade1. |
| 19:42.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: no rush :) |
| 19:45.10 | MentalPower | ScytheBlade1: do you have swatter enabled? |
| 19:45.16 | MentalPower | well, actually |
| 19:45.30 | ScytheBlade1 | MentalPower: yup, but it was a plain text error message, called manually with error() |
| 19:45.38 | MentalPower | do you have both classic and advanced versions of auctioneer? |
| 19:45.42 | ScytheBlade1 | No |
| 19:45.54 | MentalPower | hmm... |
| 19:45.56 | ScytheBlade1 | I just installed advanced after Zoot /boggled over how epic it was last night |
| 19:46.01 | MentalPower | ./run foo() |
| 19:46.07 | MentalPower | awww, I missed it |
| 19:46.09 | Lopeppeppy | I'm still boggling over how to make it happy-work for me. *cry* |
| 19:46.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Pops up fine |
| 19:46.42 | sag_ich_nicht | Antiarc: http://loliserv.org/~afora/screenshots/bugs/WoWScrnShot_042708_181740.jpg http://loliserv.org/screenshots/bugs/~afora/WoWScrnShot_042708_181745.jpg http://loliserv.org/~afora/screenshots/bugs/WoWScrnShot_042708_183143.jpg http://loliserv.org/~afora/screenshots/bugs/WoWScrnShot_042708_183148.jpg http://loliserv.org/~afora/screenshots/bugs/WoWScrnShot_042708_183252.jpg |
| 19:46.48 | MentalPower | ScytheBlade1: can I get the addon listing from that (pastey) |
| 19:46.50 | sag_ich_nicht | ugh |
| 19:46.51 | sag_ich_nicht | hold on |
| 19:46.53 | sag_ich_nicht | typo in there |
| 19:46.58 | Antiarc | haha, overview mode |
| 19:47.01 | Antiarc | yeah, I need to fix a lot there. |
| 19:47.29 | sag_ich_nicht | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:47.32 | sag_ich_nicht | fixed the paths. |
| 19:47.40 | ScytheBlade1 | MentalPower: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/86762 |
| 19:48.06 | sag_ich_nicht | the overview mode bug is only the first two screenshots Antiarc, the other screenshots show something far more terrible |
| 19:48.06 | ScytheBlade1 | MentalPower: no spilling my top secret addons now :( |
| 19:48.30 | sag_ich_nicht | i have show tank as 100% checked btw |
| 19:48.46 | Antiarc | Heh, yeah, just a problem in determining who has aggro |
| 19:48.49 | Antiarc | Stupid RSTS abilities. |
| 19:48.54 | Antiarc | I'll see what I can find. |
| 19:49.13 | sag_ich_nicht | also, Warrior and/or Druid aggro was COMPLETELY wrong at gruul today |
| 19:49.28 | Antiarc | Both up to date? |
| 19:49.30 | sag_ich_nicht | ya |
| 19:49.42 | Antiarc | Both wrong/one wrong/hard to tell? |
| 19:49.46 | Antiarc | What was the anomoly? |
| 19:49.50 | sag_ich_nicht | hard to tell |
| 19:50.11 | sag_ich_nicht | well, someone had aggro who shouldn't have aggro according to omen |
| 19:50.30 | Lopeppeppy | My raid group is starting to get people having really old Threat libraries in other addons again, making a mess of the cookie dough. Or so I am guessing from talking to the louts. |
| 19:50.50 | Antiarc | Threat-1.0 libs? |
| 19:50.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: I had the same thing. So I started posting a link to Omen to use, once a week. Problem solved! |
| 19:50.56 | Antiarc | Or old versions of 2.0? |
| 19:51.27 | sag_ich_nicht | actually maybe you could do some kind of automatic debug checking where if the target you have has a different target than it should have according to threat-2.0 and it does not coincidence with a boss ability being used that targets someone else, it does some auto-debug logging |
| 19:51.38 | Zootfizzle | Random Zootbit: I love being able to sew, it's so incredibly useful. Plus, when the apocalypse comes, I'll be dressed nicely! |
| 19:51.50 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
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| 19:52.04 | Lopeppeppy | Sewing machines are the spawn of the very Devil himself. |
| 19:52.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: grats on vaporizing the entire room |
| 19:52.51 | Zootfizzle | I can only sew by hand, last time I used a machine it was for sewing old school starfleet badges to T-shirts, and I managed to attach the neck, front of the shirt, and sleeve at the same point with nearly five feet of thread |
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| 19:53.35 | durcyn | i'm sorry, did you say starfleet |
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| 19:53.53 | Lopeppeppy | *laugh* I quilt by hand, the sewing machine demon is not for the Peppy. |
| 19:54.16 | mikma | sag_ich_nicht: what's that addon on the left? showing unitframes and so on |
| 19:54.21 | MentalPower | whats wrong with starfleet? |
| 19:54.39 | durcyn | i just want to make sure i read it right, it caused a bit of cognitive dissonance |
| 19:55.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Zootfizzle: starfleet? You're suddenly 100x more awesome than before |
| 19:55.42 | sag_ich_nicht | mikma: a very hacked version of grid |
| 19:55.54 | mikma | not bad at all |
| 19:55.56 | sag_ich_nicht | mikma: i'm still annoyed that i can't make grid manabars vertical |
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| 19:56.09 | sag_ich_nicht | as in, attached to the right side but vertical |
| 19:56.15 | mikma | well i think it's cool like that |
| 19:56.15 | sag_ich_nicht | or horizontal |
| 19:56.21 | sag_ich_nicht | depending on how you wanna say it |
| 19:56.48 | mikma | sag_ich_nicht: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4673-PerfectRaid.html <- there you go :P |
| 19:57.00 | sag_ich_nicht | mikma: do not want |
| 19:57.11 | mikma | it's better than you think ^^ |
| 19:57.15 | sag_ich_nicht | altho i have a hacked version of perfectraid lying around too |
| 19:57.18 | mikma | and it does exactly what you want :P |
| 19:57.19 | Lopeppeppy | I love Perfect Raid. |
| 19:57.23 | sag_ich_nicht | no it doesn't mikma |
| 19:57.35 | sag_ich_nicht | because it doesn't have the debuff or aggro indicators i want, nur other indicators that i want |
| 19:57.44 | mikma | umg |
| 19:58.00 | sag_ich_nicht | and it doesn't do percentual HP indication either, unless you use said hax'd version i have lying around here |
| 19:58.13 | sag_ich_nicht | (thanks again cladhaire :D) |
| 19:58.13 | Guillotine | The problem with PerfectRaid is that the name is misleading. It doesn't make my raid any better :( They are still all noobs |
| 19:58.20 | cladhaire | lol |
| 19:58.42 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_041608_231510.jpg <- there you fo |
| 19:58.49 | mikma | + i cna tpye |
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| 19:58.58 | mikma | red text = aggro :P |
| 19:59.21 | durcyn | text debuff indicators > grid, imnsho |
| 19:59.24 | sag_ich_nicht | mikma: neither the look i want nor the debuff indicators i want nor percentual HP indication and even worse mana display than i already have |
| 19:59.32 | Antiarc | You could rename PerfectRaid -> FindTheIdjits or something. |
| 19:59.51 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_030808_222507.jpg :D |
| 20:00.14 | Guillotine | or PerfectRaidFrames. Then its not false advertising |
| 20:00.27 | sag_ich_nicht | mikma: what i want is conspiracy, or a working RDX.Cid. RDX.Cid is dead. RDX6 sucks. Conspiracy is in very slow development. |
| 20:00.30 | mikma | CladBoxes |
| 20:00.34 | sag_ich_nicht | ~lart Shirik |
| 20:00.34 | purl | shoves a crumpet down Shirik's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that? |
| 20:00.37 | sag_ich_nicht | ~lart Cidan |
| 20:00.37 | purl | whips Cidan with a wet and grimy noodle just because |
| 20:00.53 | Guillotine | mikma: does the tree of life buff stack? |
| 20:01.01 | sag_ich_nicht | mikma: http://pastey.net/86763 my grid hax btw. if you're interested |
| 20:01.02 | mikma | Guillotine: nope |
| 20:01.11 | sag_ich_nicht | (thanks to pastamancer again for coming up with it :P) |
| 20:02.06 | sag_ich_nicht | Guillotine: http://loliserv.org/~afora/screenshots/bugs/WoWScrnShot_042708_181740.jpg i bet you couldn't even tell that it's grid on the first look |
| 20:02.54 | Guillotine | Hehe, nope |
| 20:02.58 | durcyn | i thought it was pitbull, and i was about to make fun of you for it |
| 20:03.20 | durcyn | also, i hate your chat font |
| 20:03.42 | mikma | Fixedsys = <3 |
| 20:04.36 | Guillotine | yah, the chat font kind of sucks |
| 20:04.40 | sag_ich_nicht | pfff |
| 20:04.45 | sag_ich_nicht | Fixedsys = win |
| 20:04.50 | Crysli | imo monospaced fonts don't really belong in WoW. |
| 20:04.58 | sag_ich_nicht | i don't care if they BELONG there |
| 20:05.01 | sag_ich_nicht | i forced them in |
| 20:05.16 | sag_ich_nicht | and they stay there because i hate non-monospaced fonts for chats |
| 20:05.19 | Guillotine | also, you should really have Dartol's wand of transformation hotkeyed |
| 20:05.35 | sag_ich_nicht | uh, no |
| 20:05.39 | sag_ich_nicht | it's good where it is. |
| 20:05.55 | Guillotine | It should be hotkeyed on 1-0 |
| 20:05.57 | Guillotine | or you're a nub |
| 20:06.10 | sag_ich_nicht | which reminds me |
| 20:06.14 | sag_ich_nicht | ~lart Tekkub |
| 20:06.15 | purl | grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats Tekkub until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with |
| 20:06.31 | sag_ich_nicht | gimme an option to hide the tourguide window and unload the currently loaded guide! |
| 20:06.32 | sag_ich_nicht | >< |
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| 20:21.42 | Shirik | Kyahx: in its program files folder |
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| 20:21.54 | Kyahx | <-- OSX, I dont have a program files |
| 20:21.58 | Shirik | uh |
| 20:22.03 | Shirik | in its working directory |
| 20:22.20 | Kyahx | :( dont see any config files there either |
| 20:23.08 | Shirik | else if (os.contains("Mac OS")) |
| 20:23.08 | Shirik | WD_PATH = System.getProperty("user.home")+"/Library/com.wowinterface.wowiupdater"; |
| 20:23.14 | Shirik | try that |
| 20:23.22 | Kyahx | yep |
| 20:23.54 | Kyahx | Im trying to build it into a regular Application |
| 20:24.06 | Kyahx | and fix the .app problem >.< |
| 20:24.36 | Shirik | cladhaire never mentioned any issues when I had him do that |
| 20:25.26 | Shirik | brb |
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| 20:46.31 | Xinhuan | does anyone know if it is necessary to call :ClearAllPoints() just before a :SetAllPoints() ? |
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| 20:49.26 | Shirik | it can be, Xinhuan |
| 20:49.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Xinhuan: I'm not one who knows the deep down secrets of the frame system, but everything I've read suggests that you should call :ClearAllPoints() before :SetAllPoints() |
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| 20:52.29 | Kyahx | Shirik: ping |
| 20:52.34 | Shirik | hi |
| 20:52.40 | Kyahx | I have two suggestions for the updater |
| 20:52.56 | Shirik | please use my portal, this week I'm really busy and I'm sure I'll forget |
| 20:53.14 | Kyahx | Its two lines :( or I suppose I could just make a diff file |
| 20:53.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Kyahx: two lines are easily forgotten :) |
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| 20:53.34 | Kyahx | :p psh |
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| 21:08.49 | Lopeppeppy | ~seen alestane |
| 21:08.51 | purl | alestane <n=nevin@c-76-24-240-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 2d 4h 49m 50s ago, saying: '" i just meant what is the proper syntax to do a modifier" WTF?'. |
| 21:13.34 | Kyahx | Shirik: http://www.wowinterface.com/portal.php?id=294&a=viewbug&bugid=4487 for referance |
| 21:13.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Are saved variables parsed on user login for a load-on-demand addon? Or when the addon is loaded? |
| 21:17.21 | Shirik | Kyahx: I closed that report and put a note in the already existing one on that bug |
| 21:17.26 | Shirik | thanks |
| 21:17.29 | Kyahx | np |
| 21:17.39 | Kyahx | I can also generate a proper .app file from the jar, for an OSX release |
| 21:17.43 | Kyahx | if you'd like |
| 21:19.14 | Iriel | ScytheBlade1: Always when the addon is loaded |
| 21:19.17 | Shirik | I already have someone to do that but thanks |
| 21:19.25 | Iriel | ScytheBlade1: i.e. right before ADDON_LOADED fires for the AddOn |
| 21:19.36 | Kyahx | np |
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| 21:20.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Iriel: that's probably the only thing that was stopping me from keeping Auctioneer around - I don't want to load a 20MB+ saved variable file every time I reload my UI and I'm nowhere near an AH |
| 21:24.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Iriel: thanks for the answer :) |
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| 21:29.55 | nevcairiel | thats why the actual auctioneer data file is lod :) |
| 21:30.40 | ScytheBlade1 | I might keep it this round. We'll see. At least now, I might keep it :) |
| 21:30.59 | ScytheBlade1 | (Not a fan of database addons - my entire UI clocks in under 20MB) |
| 21:32.47 | Lopeppeppy | Thank you for the timely reminder that I have to do my daily AH scan. Being AFK for 4 days is soooo irresponsible of me, omg. |
| 21:33.19 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:34.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Of course, the real hypocricsy there, is that I'm making a database addon currently :( |
| 21:34.11 | Lopeppeppy | you'd think these people are dying because they can't buy out of the raid bank on a Saturday. Jeez. |
| 21:34.35 | ScytheBlade1 | But, with any luck, it'll still clock in under 2MB |
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| 21:53.49 | josephy | hi again guys :) |
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| 21:54.09 | Lopeppeppy | *wave* |
| 21:54.14 | josephy | does anyone here code for money? i need a very simple addon written lol |
| 21:54.21 | [melin] | Im yer guy! |
| 21:54.25 | [melin] | *jumps up and down* |
| 21:54.30 | josephy | hahah hi again melin :) |
| 21:54.34 | [melin] | hey hey =) |
| 21:54.38 | sag_ich_nicht | hey |
| 21:54.43 | sag_ich_nicht | don't give them any ideas josephy |
| 21:54.50 | sag_ich_nicht | ~lart josephy |
| 21:54.50 | purl | --purges josephy |
| 21:55.10 | [melin] | no seriously.. what sort of addon josephy? |
| 21:55.54 | josephy | i need an addon that will simply auction every last item from all my bags whenever i tell it to - at a set bid/buyout .. from all my bags... |
| 21:56.15 | [melin] | [23:55] <josephy> does anyone here code for money? i need a very simple addon written lol |
| 21:56.17 | josephy | i'm not sure where thats even more a macro thing than a UI thing |
| 21:56.24 | [melin] | still trying to see the simple part.. |
| 21:56.28 | josephy | hahaah |
| 21:56.28 | Lopeppeppy | More sheeps? For me!? o.O |
| 21:56.47 | Zootfizzle | I code for money ;) |
| 21:57.02 | josephy | if you seriously do ... let me know lol |
| 21:57.12 | Zootfizzle | Heh, I'd best not ^_^ |
| 21:57.12 | josephy | cos i'm running around in circles trying to work out where to start ... |
| 21:57.19 | [melin] | so.. you want.. an addon that goes through the bags, auctions an item/stack for a specified amount of money that you set the first time you auctioned it.. |
| 21:57.29 | josephy | no |
| 21:57.33 | sag_ich_nicht | rofl @ hoot |
| 21:57.34 | [melin] | or should it work together with.. say Auctioneer? |
| 21:57.35 | sag_ich_nicht | *zoot |
| 21:57.36 | sag_ich_nicht | damn it |
| 21:57.54 | josephy | i just want it to auction whatever i have in each slot in my bags, for a preset price regardless of what it is. |
| 21:58.06 | sag_ich_nicht | oO |
| 21:58.11 | josephy | at the moment, the best addon / tool i have, is Igors Mass Auction |
| 21:58.17 | [melin] | same price for everything and no matter of amount of items in stack? |
| 21:58.21 | josephy | yep |
| 21:58.24 | josephy | see i |
| 21:58.27 | josephy | ' |
| 21:58.33 | [melin] | that should be macroable.. |
| 21:58.42 | josephy | i'm growing weiry of igors because you have to physically click each item/stack in your bags |
| 21:58.52 | [melin] | however.. Im heading for sleep in 5 seconds.. |
| 21:59.19 | [melin] | so either have the other nerds make it for you.. or wait for me to come back here tomorrow in about 17 hours =) |
| 21:59.29 | [melin] | Im a nerd too |
| 22:01.44 | Lopeppeppy | I. Hate. Ventrilo. *sigh* |
| 22:02.40 | Polarina | Does the order of calls to frame:SetPoint("CENTER", parent, <"TOPLEFT", "TOPRIGHT", "BOTTOMLEFT", "BOTTOMRIGHT">, x, y) matter? Is the behaviour the same, no matter in which order it is called in? |
| 22:03.56 | MentalPower | correct, order does not matter |
| 22:04.31 | Polarina | Thanks. |
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| 22:24.33 | cogwheel | bleh |
| 22:24.35 | cogwheel | more sprockets |
| 22:27.43 | p3lim | anyone here knows whats the latest version of Rawr is? |
| 22:28.38 | sag_ich_nicht | cogwheel are you saying you're volunteering for a sprocket rewrite? |
| 22:28.49 | Lopeppeppy | NO! |
| 22:28.55 | Lopeppeppy | Peppy does not need a rewrite! |
| 22:28.56 | cogwheel | no i'm saying cogs > sprockets |
| 22:29.05 | Lopeppeppy | No disassemble Johnny 5! |
| 22:29.11 | cogwheel | 'cept peppy... |
| 22:29.21 | cogwheel | tehrs no gurl cogses :( |
| 22:29.40 | josephy | lol ... wtb a coder to write a simple little auction addon ;) seriously ... anyone? |
| 22:30.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Depends on the addon |
| 22:30.21 | josephy | probably just more of a simple script |
| 22:30.29 | ScytheBlade1 | ~asktoask |
| 22:30.30 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 22:30.57 | josephy | i just want to make a script / addon that will slot by slot, auction all my items at a set price for ALL... regardless of what the item stack is ... |
| 22:31.42 | josephy | i have a low level bank toon i use for auctioning all my cheap stuff for like 50s each .. |
| 22:31.42 | josephy | but at the moment ... i use igors mass auction and its getting to be a pain having to click every single last item in all my bags before i tell igors to auction it all. |
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| 22:32.46 | Xuerian | Wait, did I miss a fixed Sprocket? |
| 22:32.59 | Lopeppeppy | NOOOO! |
| 22:33.03 | Lopeppeppy | Peppy does not need fixing! |
| 22:33.09 | Lopeppeppy | *grump* |
| 22:33.24 | Xuerian | What, getting fixed might take the pep out of Peppy? |
| 22:33.44 | Xuerian | The lack of a securepie based addon is disturbing. |
| 22:34.56 | foxlit | Hah, I have a securepie based addon |
| 22:34.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Xuerian: are you volunteering? :D |
| 22:35.06 | Lopeppeppy | I'm fine as I am. *sniff* My very expensive therapist says so. |
| 22:35.22 | Xuerian | NightHawkTheSane: I was, for a time |
| 22:35.33 | Xuerian | NightHawkTheSane: Then I looked at sprocket's code and decided I wasn't man enough |
| 22:35.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Xuerian: haha |
| 22:42.56 | ScytheBlade1 | foxlit: 0_0 |
| 22:43.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Really? |
| 22:43.22 | foxlit | Yes. |
| 22:43.32 | Xuerian | I sense a cream joke coming |
| 22:43.33 | ScytheBlade1 | I demand a link! |
| 22:44.10 | Xuerian | So long as a chastity belt isn't involved, I'm game |
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| 22:44.27 | foxlit | http://www.spirit-dreams.net/box/CFT.mov |
| 22:44.33 | foxlit | It got a bit prettier since then |
| 22:45.53 | foxlit | There's an avi as well, somewhere |
| 22:46.26 | Xuerian | Probably have to update my quicktime replacement codec.. |
| 22:46.26 | foxlit | http://www.spirit-dreams.net/box/ARDemo.avi |
| 22:46.32 | Xuerian | ah, thanks |
| 22:47.16 | Shirik | so depressing seeing Balor +0 {9950} |
| 22:50.33 | Xuerian | foxlit: Giev |
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| 22:54.09 | foxlit | Xuerian: needs more time, generally. |
| 22:54.26 | Xuerian | Needs moar uploading, really |
| 22:54.27 | Xuerian | :P |
| 22:54.50 | foxlit | ~10 seconds into the video: "Interface action failed because of an AddOn" |
| 22:55.03 | foxlit | Embarrassing, that. |
| 22:55.29 | Xuerian | No excuses. |
| 22:55.45 | foxlit | plus my JTree seems to be refusing to use Angled line style :( |
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| 23:05.33 | reqol | cladhaire: any idea how much the book's price will go up? |
| 23:05.45 | cladhaire | you could check retail price :P |
| 23:05.49 | cladhaire | it wont' be going higher than that |
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| 23:40.34 | DARKGuy | hey, a LoD addon causes some overhaul if loaded/unloaded a lot of times even if it's an one-liner LUA ? |
| 23:41.07 | Guillotine | it can't be unloaded |
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| 23:41.27 | DARKGuy | ah, sucks :( |
| 23:42.10 | DARKGuy | so there isn't a way to load an edited LUA/XML without reloading the UI? |
| 23:42.20 | Xinhuan | correct |
| 23:42.28 | DARKGuy | boo |
| 23:43.12 | Xinhuan | some addon authors advise using a second installation of wow with the bare minimum addon set |
| 23:43.24 | Xinhuan | so that reloading is faster, and also less addon interference |
| 23:43.46 | DARKGuy | 8Gb ain't cheap for me :P |
| 23:43.57 | Legorol | and i just advice a script that swaps interface/wtf folders between sets :) |
| 23:43.59 | Xinhuan | ;p |
| 23:44.02 | DARKGuy | Still that breaks the functionality I wanted to add :P |
| 23:44.12 | Legorol | so i just have one client, with 5 different interface folders that i can choose from with a click |
| 23:44.20 | Legorol | (and corresponding wtf folders) |
| 23:44.27 | DARKGuy | that's sweet. |
| 23:45.03 | Legorol | saves a lot of disk space to only duplicate interface/wtf |
| 23:46.15 | Shirik | Symptom |
| 23:46.15 | Shirik | Problem |
| 23:46.15 | Shirik | Resolution |
| 23:46.15 | Shirik | Validate button is greyed out |
| 23:46.15 | Shirik | Formula has not been entered |
| 23:46.16 | Shirik | Enter a formula into the Formula edit box |
| 23:46.18 | Shirik | Formula or proposition has an error |
| 23:46.20 | Shirik | Look for error text to the left of the Validate button and correct the error |
| 23:46.22 | Shirik | Red X appears next to a proposition |
| 23:46.24 | Shirik | Proposition is invalid |
| 23:46.26 | Shirik | Check the name and data of the proposition for invalid characters |
| 23:46.26 | DARKGuy | wtf |
| 23:46.28 | Shirik | Exclamation point appears next to one or more propositions |
| 23:46.30 | Shirik | The formula cannot be compiled |
| 23:46.32 | Shirik | Check the marked propositions for invalid characters. If the formula is valid, check other propositions and the formula. |
| 23:46.37 | Shirik | uh |
| 23:46.39 | Shirik | .... |
| 23:46.41 | Shirik | sorry >.> |
| 23:46.43 | Shirik | Wrong button >.> |
| 23:46.45 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe |
| 23:46.52 | DARKGuy | lol |
| 23:47.19 | Legorol | DARKGuy: btw, what krka was trying to tell you is that Lua is spelt correctly as Lua, not as LUA |
| 23:47.39 | Shirik | ~dict spelt |
| 23:47.41 | DARKGuy | Well I have WoW shared for my mom, dad & sister who have very small HDs, I made a new folder with everything new -except- the Data folder which is linked to my own data folder with NTFSLink (similar to ln -s). So I end up with 4 WoW installs and 3x the saved HD space :P |
| 23:47.45 | Legorol | Shirik: it's correct :P |
| 23:47.47 | Shirik | huh |
| 23:47.50 | Legorol | both spelt and spelled are correct |
| 23:47.54 | DARKGuy | Oh, I didn't got him right XD thanks Legorol :P |
| 23:47.54 | Shirik | interesting |
| 23:48.03 | Legorol | spelt is somewhat more archaic, but is still used in everyday English |
| 23:48.13 | Legorol | and it's not even one of those British/American English differences |
| 23:48.17 | DARKGuy | Portuguese and Spanish are very similar, Lua means moon, and Luna means moon in Spanish, my native language :P |
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