| 00:00.19 | ReAn | no shortcut for total items is there? |
| 00:00.24 | Kirov | >>> #{test="A",testtest="B"} |
| 00:00.31 | Kirov | lua> #{test="A",testtest="B"} |
| 00:00.31 | lua_bot | Kirov: 0 |
| 00:00.40 | Kirov | lua> #{"A","B"} |
| 00:00.40 | lua_bot | Kirov: 2 |
| 00:00.55 | Kirov | ReAn - not really. |
| 00:00.56 | Zootfizzle | lua> #{1 = "Test", 2 = "More test", 4 = "Cheating?"} |
| 00:00.56 | lua_bot | Zootfizzle: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '#' |
| 00:01.05 | Kirov | lol |
| 00:01.27 | Kirov | bad Zootfizzle |
| 00:01.48 | Kirov | lua> #{[1]="A",[2]="B",[4]="D"} |
| 00:01.48 | lua_bot | Kirov: 4 |
| 00:02.04 | Zootfizzle | Thanks =P |
| 00:02.11 | Zootfizzle | # just returns the highest valued index. |
| 00:02.16 | Zootfizzle | Is what I was trying to point out. |
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| 00:03.12 | Polarina | lua> #{ [1] = "xD", [2] = ":P", [3] = nil, [4] = ":)" } |
| 00:03.12 | lua_bot | Polarina: 4 |
| 00:03.16 | Polarina | o.O |
| 00:03.33 | Polarina | lua> #{ "xD", ":P", nil, ":)" } |
| 00:03.33 | lua_bot | Polarina: 4 |
| 00:03.38 | Polarina | o.O |
| 00:04.00 | Kirov | lua> function realSize(t) local i=0 for k in pairs( t ) do i=i+1 end end realSize({[1]="1",String="string",[5]="5",["Another String"] = "Another String"}) |
| 00:04.01 | lua_bot | Kirov: No output |
| 00:04.02 | Cide | read the manual |
| 00:04.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Those are auto indexed |
| 00:04.11 | Kirov | lua> function realSize(t) local i=0 for k in pairs( t ) do i=i+1 end end print(realSize({[1]="1",String="string",[5]="5",["Another String"] = "Another String"})) |
| 00:04.11 | lua_bot | Kirov: No output |
| 00:04.13 | ScytheBlade1 | assign a key to one of them |
| 00:04.15 | Kirov | damn it |
| 00:04.21 | Kirov | lua> function realSize(t) local i=0 for k in pairs( t ) do i=i+1 end return i end print(realSize({[1]="1",String="string",[5]="5",["Another String"] = "Another String"})) |
| 00:04.22 | lua_bot | Kirov: 4 |
| 00:04.26 | Cide | #tbl may return any n such that tbl[n+1] is nil |
| 00:04.27 | Cide | afaik |
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| 00:04.42 | Cide | i.e. the size of your table is undefined |
| 00:04.54 | dylanm | Right. It's not something you're supposed to depend on. |
| 00:05.05 | Cide | or rather, not well-defined |
| 00:05.20 | Kirov | lua> #{[0]="0", [5]="5"} |
| 00:05.20 | lua_bot | Kirov: 0 |
| 00:05.43 | Kirov | though, I guess I'm cheating by using [0] |
| 00:05.47 | Kirov | lua> #{[5]="5"} |
| 00:05.48 | lua_bot | Kirov: 0 |
| 00:05.51 | Kirov | there |
| 00:06.16 | Kirov | lua> #{[1]="1", [5]="5"} |
| 00:06.17 | lua_bot | Kirov: 1 |
| 00:06.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Destruction Potion, or Super Mana Potion? :( |
| 00:06.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Decisions decisions... |
| 00:06.57 | Cide | mana |
| 00:07.18 | ScytheBlade1 | And for a mage? ;) |
| 00:07.24 | deltron | lol mana |
| 00:07.31 | Hjalte | As a warlock, Super Mana Potions seem to be the best choice. |
| 00:07.50 | duaiwe | guess it depends on if you're running out of mana or not |
| 00:07.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Cide: well played |
| 00:08.04 | ScytheBlade1 | For the Teron Gorefiend fight |
| 00:08.07 | Zootfizzle | ScytheBlade1: Needs more context =P |
| 00:08.10 | Zootfizzle | Ahh |
| 00:08.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Indeed. Hence the question :( |
| 00:08.36 | Zootfizzle | Probably destruction. |
| 00:08.37 | Cide | armor penetration imo |
| 00:08.38 | ScytheBlade1 | I essentially have to out-DPS the stupid. Which is pretty hard. |
| 00:08.38 | NightHawkTheSane | if( you're going oom ) then super_mana_pot else destruction_pot end; its not complex. :P |
| 00:08.44 | Zootfizzle | It's supposed to be a short fight. |
| 00:08.44 | Cide | or haste potion |
| 00:08.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Cide: I've actually got ~40 haste pots sitting around ;) |
| 00:09.41 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm thinking destruction too, but was just curious what others had experienced |
| 00:11.09 | Hjalte | According to this warlock spreadsheet, warlocks do pew pew just as mages do, Destruction potions equals to 15 spell damage and 6 crit while Mana potions equals 100 mp5, both if they are chain taken when available. And Super Mana potions win by 10 dps. |
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| 00:11.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah the power of excel |
| 00:15.06 | Kirov | hunter + pally tank = mana win |
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| 00:17.21 | ReAn | lua is garbage collected correct? |
| 00:18.01 | Kaso | yes |
| 00:18.12 | Kaso | incremental garbage collection |
| 00:18.38 | Polarina | Yay! http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6136334504&sid=1&pageNo=8#156 |
| 00:18.49 | Kaso | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#2.10 <-- section on GC |
| 00:19.12 | ReAn | it it possible from a wow context to force GC? |
| 00:19.13 | Hjalte | Polarina: Is Frejya someone we know? |
| 00:22.32 | ScytheBlade1 | ReAn: why do you need to? |
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| 00:28.25 | Kaso | seconding ScytheBlade1's comment, its not often that you need to force a gc |
| 00:28.54 | ReAn | Ok, better question, Frames are recycled, correct? |
| 00:28.59 | Kaso | no |
| 00:29.06 | Kaso | Frames once created are always there |
| 00:29.23 | ScytheBlade1 | You can recycle them yourself! |
| 00:29.32 | ScytheBlade1 | But there is no DestroyFrame() |
| 00:30.20 | Kaso | has anyone made a lib for recycling frames yet? it seems like something that'd get libbed up |
| 00:30.22 | Yssaril | GC should never be forced (unless yoru testing something) if your create that much garbadge you should maybe try to fix that instead of just covering it up :) |
| 00:30.23 | Kirov | frame types are immutable, but everything else can be changed if you so desire. |
| 00:31.00 | Kirov | Kaso - I know of some addons that have frame recycling libs ... I just do know of any libs that are used in more than one addon. |
| 00:31.04 | Yssaril | Kaso: frame recycling is easy to do really but i would say AceGUI would be an example of a frame recycler |
| 00:31.50 | Yssaril | though AceGUI kinda goes above and bejond a simple frame recycler |
| 00:32.03 | robertbh | does anyone know of any good resources for action tooltip alteration api? |
| 00:32.17 | Kirov | robertbh - api? |
| 00:32.36 | Kirov | robertbh - the closest to that I'd have to say is cowtip + dogtags |
| 00:32.49 | robertbh | sorry wrong choice of words |
| 00:33.13 | robertbh | any tooltip stuff in ace? |
| 00:33.43 | Kirov | robertbh - there are ace addons (quite a disturbing number, actually) that alter the tooltip. |
| 00:33.50 | Kirov | They all use different methods though. |
| 00:34.40 | Kirov | Basically a combination of normal tooltip filtering and Unit___() functions to create their own tooltip frame on top of the real one or heavily modify the existing one. |
| 00:34.57 | Kirov | s/filtering/parsing/ |
| 00:35.48 | Kirov | robertbh - what exactly are you looking for? |
| 00:36.28 | robertbh | i'm trying to write some database values into the tooltip as the visual display |
| 00:36.48 | robertbh | high hit/crit tracking kind of stuff |
| 00:37.04 | Kirov | robertbh - with out otherwise modifying the tooltip? That's easy |
| 00:37.15 | robertbh | please share |
| 00:37.38 | Kirov | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GameTooltip_AddLine |
| 00:37.58 | Kirov | http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API#GameTooltip |
| 00:38.00 | Kirov | have to go |
| 00:38.09 | robertbh | wow, i wonder why that didn't show up when i did a search for tooltips on wowwiki??? |
| 00:38.18 | robertbh | thanks |
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| 00:44.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Who |
| 00:44.08 | ScytheBlade1 | *Whoo Fel Lotus |
| 00:46.01 | Polarina | That's nothing. I got a epic flying mount on the PTR. :) |
| 00:46.08 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 00:46.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Grats on acquiring worthless currency! |
| 00:46.50 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm still waiting for the day that the gold spammers start selling gold on the PTR |
| 00:46.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Sooner or later it'll happen, just you watch |
| 00:47.02 | Polarina | Copying my character twice and selling Preserved Hollys on the PTR and I got a epic flying mount as a reward. :) |
| 00:47.49 | kd3 | lol... [Interesting] Central Texas church strikes deal with gas station to sell gas for $2.49 a gallon this Sunday, in what is no way a trick to get you stuck in line with no choice but to be preached to while you wait |
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| 00:50.47 | Polarina | Shirik: 00:47:43 up 6 days, 5:32, 2 users, load average: 0.10, 0.06, 0.09 # On a Desktop computer, top that. ;) |
| 01:06.36 | robertbh | More help please... how do i apply GameTooltip:AddLine to the current tooltip, and how do i read in the current tooltips spell? |
| 01:09.30 | Shirik | Polarina? |
| 01:18.15 | Gotai | robertbh: What do you mean, how do you apply it to the current tooltip? AddLine(text) does just that. Just do a :Show() after that to update the width/height. |
| 01:19.36 | Gotai | As for getting the tooltips spell, each line is a fontstring called tooltipTextLeft<num>, where <num> is a number from 1 to tooltip:NumLines(). |
| 01:20.04 | Gotai | So for the default tooltip, spellname is usually on the first line, so: GameTooltipTextLeft1:GetText() |
| 01:20.27 | Polarina | Shirik: Yes? |
| 01:20.33 | robertbh | hmm... but what event is triggered when the tooltip is changed? |
| 01:20.38 | robertbh | thanks by the way |
| 01:26.17 | Gotai | *shrug* I don't know if there's an event. I only use tooltips for scanning purposes. If I were you I'd find a simple addon that adds something to the tooltip and see how they do it. |
| 01:28.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: got a few suggestions coming your way via the bug tracker for Omen |
| 01:34.24 | kd3 | what a difference 3 years makes... on the right, copyright 2004. on the left, copyright 2007 |
| 01:34.25 | kd3 | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/085f367979431febfd90ed28f66013e9.jpg |
| 01:35.13 | batrick | U R |
| 01:35.15 | batrick | oi SHIRIK |
| 01:35.16 | batrick | ffs |
| 01:37.21 | MentalPower | kd3: I spy a Blizzcon press pass :P |
| 01:37.36 | MentalPower | WoW Wiki one too :) |
| 01:37.51 | kd3 | yup |
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| 01:53.22 | Tem | Any huntards around? |
| 01:53.32 | Tem | I'm curious how beast training works |
| 01:53.32 | ScytheBlade1 | LOLBEASTCOIL |
| 01:53.38 | ScytheBlade1 | (No. :)) |
| 01:53.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh |
| 01:53.43 | Tem | also, yeah, wtf wrt to that |
| 01:53.50 | ScytheBlade1 | You sit there and channel the spell while they beat on you |
| 01:53.53 | ScytheBlade1 | That's about it |
| 01:54.15 | Tem | Did they think feral druids needed to suck some more in arena or something? |
| 01:54.27 | Tem | nono, not making a pet |
| 01:54.30 | Tem | training your pet |
| 01:54.36 | Tem | I understand it uses the craft frame |
| 01:56.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, that, no idea, sorry |
| 01:56.20 | Cide | you gain training points when your pet gains a loyalty level |
| 01:56.33 | Cide | and then you spend that on training new skills and higher ranks |
| 01:56.34 | Cide | afaik |
| 01:57.12 | Tem | hmm, I worded my question poorly |
| 01:57.29 | Tem | how do you pull up the beast training frame? |
| 01:57.36 | Tem | is it a spell like the tradeskills? |
| 01:57.44 | Tem | do you have to be in a certain place? |
| 01:57.49 | Tem | do you have to have a pet out? |
| 01:58.03 | Cide | it's a spell, yes |
| 01:58.10 | Cide | don't have to be in a certain place |
| 01:58.15 | Cide | but I don't know if you have to have a pet out |
| 01:58.29 | Tem | I'll just bother Iriel when I see him next |
| 01:58.34 | Tem | he's a hunter, iirc |
| 01:58.36 | AnduinLothar | omg awesome: http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/japanfan/982f/ |
| 01:59.04 | Gotai | You don't need a pet out for it to show. |
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| 02:43.26 | kd3 | o_O; IGN: "Without question, Grand Theft Auto IV is the best game since Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time." |
| 02:44.40 | NightHawkTheSane | i somehow doub tthat |
| 02:44.52 | dylanm | It's gaming journalism. |
| 02:45.07 | kd3 | still. that they'd make such a claim |
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| 02:59.11 | Tem | kd3, not possible |
| 02:59.24 | Tem | there are no days that GTA:Anything can be better than Portal |
| 03:00.03 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 03:00.21 | Iriel | Tem speaks truth |
| 03:00.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Mmm portal |
| 03:03.31 | enum | ScytheBlade1: there is no cake! |
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| 03:05.09 | ScytheBlade1 | enum: the cake is a lie, but the pie is forever |
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| 03:06.59 | Alexanderyoshi | The cake is a lie and pi is irrational |
| 03:08.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Pfft |
| 03:08.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Tricky math joke |
| 03:09.31 | batrick | get real |
| 03:09.46 | dylanm | Oooh I like that one. |
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| 03:21.57 | robertbh | does anyone know of a good resource for simply adding a line to an action's tooltip? I already know about GameTooltip:AddLine and GameTooltip:Show. |
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| 04:08.53 | Atriace | How do you delete a frame once it's created? |
| 04:09.03 | Atriace | frame=nil? |
| 04:09.15 | dylanm | Can't. |
| 04:09.41 | Atriace | I'm sorry, an error has occurred processing your response. |
| 04:09.56 | Atriace | Say what!? |
| 04:10.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 04:10.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Frames cannot be deleted |
| 04:11.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Don't create more than you need :) |
| 04:12.04 | dylanm | If need be, you recycle frames. I'm sure most of the timer bar libraries do that. |
| 04:12.55 | Atriace | What about some of the blizzard frames? You mouseover them (like the region title or the buffs) and DevTools shows it exists under dtframestack, but when the frame hides, it dissapears from the framestack? |
| 04:13.07 | dylanm | Because it's hidden. |
| 04:13.24 | Atriace | Hidden items don't receive mouse events? |
| 04:13.56 | dylanm | Certainly not. |
| 04:14.45 | Atriace | Well that works just as good as deleting the frame. =) |
| 04:14.52 | Tem | no it doesn't |
| 04:15.05 | Tem | the frame is still taking up memory |
| 04:15.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Frames have a C-side component |
| 04:15.11 | ScytheBlade1 | That cannot be removed |
| 04:15.17 | ScytheBlade1 | (That we also can't touch) |
| 04:15.33 | Atriace | Tem: from a functionality perspective it works for me. Memory is an afterthought. |
| 04:15.35 | dylanm | Right. They don't get deallocated, and that's the problem. |
| 04:16.12 | Tem | What are you-- no. I don't want to know. |
| 04:16.13 | Atriace | What? My frames aren't complex. They're just frame+1texture. |
| 04:16.18 | Atriace | lol |
| 04:16.21 | dylanm | How many of them are there? |
| 04:16.25 | Atriace | 6 |
| 04:16.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Hidden frames still recieve events, process code, and do anything you want them to. |
| 04:16.30 | Atriace | I'm not concerned |
| 04:17.18 | dylanm | You can do :UnregisterAllEvents() of course. |
| 04:17.30 | ScytheBlade1 | There is always OnUpdate ;) |
| 04:19.12 | dylanm | Okay. If you're just making six frames then it's not an issue. |
| 04:19.18 | dylanm | But it's a good thing to know. |
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| 04:33.37 | kergoth | huh, ITEM_PUSH is an odd event |
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| 05:59.17 | Cairenn | oh hey! there's life in here! |
| 05:59.28 | Sixen | How's it going Cairenn? |
| 05:59.39 | Cairenn | pretty well, yourself? |
| 05:59.56 | Sixen | Not too bad. |
| 06:00.03 | Sixen | Think I might go do some WSG, =) |
| 06:00.09 | Cairenn | :) |
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| 06:10.54 | kd3 | and heh at MS "playing hardball" with Yahoo |
| 06:11.34 | Tem | why does Yahoo still exsist? |
| 06:11.37 | Tem | honestly, google > * |
| 06:11.56 | Sixen | Hai2u Kd3 |
| 06:12.11 | kd3 | 'lo |
| 06:12.29 | Sixen | How're you? |
| 06:12.43 | kd3 | waiting on the caffeine to wear off |
| 06:12.50 | kd3 | s/on/for/ |
| 06:12.51 | Sixen | Haha |
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| 06:25.05 | Fisker- | kd3 |
| 06:25.11 | kd3 | ? |
| 06:25.12 | Fisker- | giev some news :( |
| 06:25.35 | kd3 | I would if I had any... damn forums are still broken so it's rather difficult to track CM posts atm |
| 06:25.51 | Fisker- | how long have they been broken? :O |
| 06:26.12 | kd3 | ~2 days now. they just redid the US forums |
| 06:27.12 | Shirik | So, I need some people to help me test a program. Any takers? Sorry, the DLL's only written for Windows atm so you'll have to be on it or wine |
| 06:32.07 | Sixen | Hm? |
| 06:32.09 | Sixen | What happened to Hyacinth? |
| 06:34.03 | Fisker- | redid them how kd3? :o |
| 06:34.29 | kd3 | they redid the index and everyone's post history got wiped |
| 06:34.33 | Fisker- | sure Shirik :o |
| 06:34.47 | kd3 | were other transient issues yesterday and the day before but it looks like those have been ironed out |
| 06:34.48 | Fisker- | seems hax |
| 06:35.51 | Fisker- | ooh |
| 06:35.53 | Fisker- | forum upgrade |
| 06:35.58 | MentalPower | lua> #tostring(2^32-1) |
| 06:35.59 | lua_bot | MentalPower: 10 |
| 06:36.04 | Fisker- | now with even more ajax shit |
| 06:36.40 | Fisker- | anything cool on the forums themselves or is it just the frontpage they changed? |
| 06:37.04 | kd3 | not as far as I know... I'm using the Stylish extension to get rid of most of the crap |
| 06:37.05 | ScytheBlade1 | They made the forum list drop-down not suck incredibly hard |
| 06:37.20 | ScytheBlade1 | "Let's prefix everything listed with 'WoW' to make it hard to read!" "Great idea!" |
| 06:37.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah no, that's been fixed |
| 06:37.49 | Fisker- | Still "WoW <something>" here |
| 06:37.53 | MentalPower | lua> string.format("%08d", 5) |
| 06:37.54 | lua_bot | MentalPower: 00000005 |
| 06:37.59 | MentalPower | lua> string.format("%10d", 5) |
| 06:37.59 | lua_bot | MentalPower: 5 |
| 06:38.05 | MentalPower | lua> string.format("%010d", 5) |
| 06:38.05 | lua_bot | MentalPower: 0000000005 |
| 06:38.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Only for some of them |
| 06:38.28 | ScytheBlade1 | It used to be on 90% of them |
| 06:38.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Now it is only on the ones that it fits for |
| 06:39.25 | Fisker- | i honestly can't see they've removed a single one of them |
| 06:39.41 | Fisker- | and 1 is 1 too much |
| 06:39.54 | MentalPower | lua> string.format("%010d", 2^32-1) |
| 06:39.54 | lua_bot | MentalPower: 4294967295 |
| 06:40.25 | MentalPower | yay a bug in WoW's string.format! |
| 06:40.40 | Shirik | ? |
| 06:40.48 | MentalPower | string.format("%010d", 2^32-1) |
| 06:40.50 | Shirik | oh wow it's signed |
| 06:40.58 | Shirik | wait, isn't it supposed to be? |
| 06:41.04 | Shirik | d = integer |
| 06:41.12 | MentalPower | "-2147483648" <--thats what it gives in WoW |
| 06:41.23 | Shirik | I don't find that to be really wrong |
| 06:41.29 | Shirik | I dunno, it's up to interpretation |
| 06:41.35 | MentalPower | its not standard Lua |
| 06:41.44 | Shirik | How do you know you're not testing against a 64 bit build? |
| 06:41.59 | MentalPower | actually I take that back |
| 06:42.22 | MentalPower | seems lua_bot is running either a 64-bit build or a modified string.format |
| 06:42.28 | MentalPower | --> string.format("%010d", 2^32-1) |
| 06:42.29 | batbot | MentalPower: > -2147483648 |
| 06:42.45 | MentalPower | --> string.format("%010f", 2^32-1) |
| 06:42.46 | batbot | MentalPower: > 4294967295.000000 |
| 06:42.50 | MentalPower | eww... |
| 06:42.59 | MentalPower | --> string.format("%010.0f", 2^32-1) |
| 06:42.59 | batbot | MentalPower: > 4294967295 |
| 06:43.00 | Shirik | makes sense to me :P |
| 06:43.07 | Shirik | floating point can handle larger numbers :) |
| 06:43.15 | MentalPower | its still wierd |
| 06:43.31 | MentalPower | considering that Lua uses floats exclusively |
| 06:43.47 | MentalPower | well doubles, but you get the idea |
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| 06:48.16 | Fisker- | can't you execute a macro without having to pull it down to a bar? |
| 06:49.40 | Shirik | Fisker-, not that I'm aware of (maybe with scripting magic). Also, thanks for the offer, but I just realized I don't have any of this packaged up easily to transmit, so maybe tomorrow if you're around :p |
| 06:50.23 | batrick | http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/aus/603080295.html |
| 06:50.35 | Fisker- | probably gonna raid a lot tomorrow |
| 06:50.46 | Fisker- | since we can actually start to see some new stuff :o |
| 06:50.55 | Fisker- | so we might take an all nighter :O |
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| 06:59.42 | sag_ich_nicht | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/Lemon.jpg what do you see in this image. |
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| 07:01.30 | Sixen | 2 lemons. |
| 07:03.49 | batrick | o ya |
| 07:04.47 | durcyn | Fisker-: you can set a macro directly to a keybinding |
| 07:09.07 | MentalPower | anyone have a Lua binary formatter? ie 9 -> "1001" |
| 07:11.11 | Shirik | uh |
| 07:11.16 | Shirik | I wrote one a while back |
| 07:11.21 | Shirik | --> string.dump(tobinary) |
| 07:11.22 | batbot | Shirik: @ [string "return string.dump(tobinary)"]:1: bad argument #1 to 'dump' (function expected, got nil) |
| 07:11.33 | MentalPower | I'd love you longtime :) |
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| 07:11.55 | Shirik | --> for k,v in pairs(_G) do if k:match("[bB]inary") and type(v)=='function' then print(k) end end |
| 07:11.59 | Shirik | bleh |
| 07:12.01 | Shirik | I guess I'll rewrite it |
| 07:12.05 | Shirik | positive only? |
| 07:13.39 | MentalPower | yup |
| 07:14.10 | Shirik | --> function tobinary(n) s = ""; while n > 0 do s = (n % 2) .. s; n = math.floor(n / 2); end if s == "" then s = "0"; end return s; end |
| 07:14.16 | Shirik | --> tobinary(6) |
| 07:14.16 | batbot | Shirik: > 110 |
| 07:14.32 | Shirik | --> tobinary(9) |
| 07:14.32 | batbot | Shirik: > 1001 |
| 07:14.39 | MentalPower | yay! |
| 07:14.47 | batrick | there's an easier way |
| 07:14.52 | batrick | =) |
| 07:14.56 | MentalPower | oh? |
| 07:15.31 | batrick | one sec, halo game |
| 07:15.32 | Shirik | btw that function has log 2 (n) complexity |
| 07:16.05 | Shirik | so for really huge numbers it could get bad, but it has to be REALLY huge |
| 07:16.19 | Shirik | --> tobinary(2^40) |
| 07:16.19 | batbot | Shirik: > 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000 |
| 07:16.25 | Shirik | heh |
| 07:16.27 | Shirik | REALLY huge |
| 07:16.29 | MentalPower | --> tobinary(2^32-1) |
| 07:16.30 | batbot | MentalPower: > 11111111111111111111111111111111 |
| 07:16.32 | Alexanderyoshi | sag_ich_nicht, one lemon rind, one half-lemon, and the cross section of a lemon. very likely the same lemon as guessed by examining the center of the lemon |
| 07:16.38 | MentalPower | thats as huge as I'll work with :) |
| 07:17.22 | MentalPower | --> tobinary(2^52-1) |
| 07:17.22 | batbot | MentalPower: > 1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 |
| 07:17.32 | MentalPower | and thats as huge as is practical in Lua |
| 07:17.33 | kd3 | [Interesting] Not news: man in jail. News: man breaks out of jail. Fark: For four minutes |
| 07:18.28 | Shirik | lol |
| 07:18.29 | Shirik | ? |
| 07:18.32 | Shirik | where is this |
| 07:18.41 | sag_ich_nicht | Alexanderyoshi: finally someone who gets it right >< |
| 07:18.43 | kd3 | http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2008/04/25/con-broke-out-of-prison-to-freedom-for-four-minutes-86908-20393766/ |
| 07:22.04 | Alexanderyoshi | ? There was a trick? |
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| 07:22.27 | [Liquidor] | Hi everyone :-) |
| 07:22.27 | sag_ich_nicht | Alexanderyoshi: many people say "3 lemons" |
| 07:22.32 | sag_ich_nicht | and i want to punch them if they do that |
| 07:22.33 | sag_ich_nicht | >< |
| 07:22.44 | MentalPower | what if they say 2 lemons? |
| 07:23.15 | Alexanderyoshi | Someone could say 2 lemons and simply be making the assumption that the photo was taken entirely at the same instant, and the rind is whole |
| 07:23.27 | Shirik | anyway, night all |
| 07:23.35 | MentalPower | true |
| 07:23.39 | MentalPower | night Shirik|zZz |
| 07:23.47 | batrick | shirik... |
| 07:23.54 | Shirik|zZz | I answered your pm omg |
| 07:23.58 | batrick | log2(n) complexity is ez |
| 07:24.03 | batrick | well |
| 07:24.05 | sag_ich_nicht | so shirik |
| 07:24.06 | Shirik|zZz | oh |
| 07:24.09 | sag_ich_nicht | about that sqrt(pi) |
| 07:24.10 | Shirik|zZz | yes it is |
| 07:24.13 | batrick | saying number have to be huge is kinda silly :P |
| 07:24.16 | Shirik|zZz | but log2(inf) is still inf! |
| 07:24.22 | MentalPower | lol |
| 07:24.38 | Shirik|zZz | --> math.log(math.huge) / math.log(2) |
| 07:24.38 | batbot | Shirik|zZz: > inf |
| 07:24.40 | Shirik|zZz | proof. |
| 07:25.03 | Shirik|zZz | therefore it has the potential to take a very long time :D |
| 07:26.19 | sag_ich_nicht | god |
| 07:26.44 | sag_ich_nicht | i want to punch every single person on the wowace SVN that has not understood the concept of embeds.xml and settings externals properly |
| 07:27.44 | batrick | --> local t = {["1"]="0001",["2"]="0010",["3"]="0011",["4"]="0100",["5"]="0101",["6"]="0110",["7"]="0111",["8"]="1000",["9"]="1001",a="1010",b="1011",c="1100",d="1101",e="1110",f="1111"} function tobinary(n) return ("%x"):format(n):gsub("%w",t) end |
| 07:27.53 | batrick | --> tobinary(100) |
| 07:27.53 | batbot | batrick: > 01100100, 2 |
| 07:27.57 | batrick | =) |
| 07:28.35 | Alexanderyoshi | sag_ich_nicht, just go punch a wall or something. You'll run out of face too quickly |
| 07:28.37 | Xinhuan | o_O |
| 07:28.40 | batrick | err i replaced your sorry shirik |
| 07:29.10 | MentalPower | --> local t = {["1"]="0001",["2"]="0010",["3"]="0011",["4"]="0100",["5"]="0101",["6"]="0110",["7"]="0111",["8"]="1000",["9"]="1001",a="1010",b="1011",c="1100",d="1101",e="1110",f="1111"} function tobinary(n) return (("%x"):format(n):gsub("%w",t)) end |
| 07:29.16 | sag_ich_nicht | Alexanderyoshi: i think you underestimate the stupidity of people and the amount of addons present on the SVN |
| 07:29.22 | MentalPower | yes its no longer a tail call |
| 07:29.37 | MentalPower | --> tobinary(2^32-1) |
| 07:29.38 | batbot | MentalPower: > 11111111111111111111111111111111 |
| 07:29.42 | MentalPower | --> tobinary(2^32) |
| 07:29.43 | batbot | MentalPower: > 0 |
| 07:29.51 | sag_ich_nicht | lol. |
| 07:30.51 | MentalPower | batrick: I think there something wrong :P |
| 07:31.18 | batrick | there isn't anything wrong |
| 07:31.26 | Xinhuan | that's because you can't convert a number larger than 32 bits into hex ;p |
| 07:31.27 | batrick | format %x expects an integer |
| 07:31.47 | MentalPower | Shirik's can handle larger stuff |
| 07:31.53 | MentalPower | up to the mantissa limit |
| 07:31.57 | batrick | shirik's is more complex =) |
| 07:32.01 | Xinhuan | not all platforms of lua can i think |
| 07:32.21 | batrick | what I gave you should be portable neway |
| 07:32.27 | MentalPower | lua> local t = {["1"]="0001",["2"]="0010",["3"]="0011",["4"]="0100",["5"]="0101",["6"]="0110",["7"]="0111",["8"]="1000",["9"]="1001",a="1010",b="1011",c="1100",d="1101",e="1110",f="1111"} function tobinary(n) return (("%x"):format(n):gsub("%w",t)) end return tobinary(2^32) |
| 07:32.28 | lua_bot | MentalPower: 000100000000 |
| 07:32.49 | Xinhuan | hah that's definitely not 2^32 |
| 07:32.55 | MentalPower | agreed |
| 07:33.19 | MentalPower | lua> string.format("%x", 2^32) |
| 07:33.20 | lua_bot | MentalPower: 100000000 |
| 07:33.27 | batrick | lol... |
| 07:33.37 | MentalPower | cladhaire: ^^^^ |
| 07:33.51 | Xinhuan | its to do with the parsing engine with regards to hex digits |
| 07:34.04 | Xinhuan | different ppl's lua inside wow exhibit different things too |
| 07:34.10 | MentalPower | k, so string.format is unreliable |
| 07:34.26 | MentalPower | for numbers > 2^32-1 |
| 07:34.44 | Xinhuan | lua> 0x100000000 |
| 07:34.45 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 4294967296 |
| 07:35.21 | Xinhuan | lua> tonumber("100000000", 16) |
| 07:35.21 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 4294967296 |
| 07:35.34 | batrick | you silly guys |
| 07:35.42 | batrick | that was right... |
| 07:35.51 | batrick | lua> ("%x"):format(2^32) |
| 07:35.51 | lua_bot | batrick: 100000000 |
| 07:35.54 | Xinhuan | that's not base 2, that's base 16 |
| 07:35.55 | batrick | ^ that's right |
| 07:36.14 | Xinhuan | function is tobinary(), not tohex() |
| 07:38.24 | MentalPower | batrick is right, the hex conversion is right |
| 07:38.35 | cladhaire | MentalPower: hrm? |
| 07:38.37 | MentalPower | however his function to take the hex and turn it into binary is not |
| 07:38.46 | MentalPower | cladhaire: sorry, my bad |
| 07:38.50 | cladhaire | no problem |
| 07:39.09 | MentalPower | cladhaire: we're having a bit of fun with string.format() ATM |
| 07:39.15 | cladhaire | ah |
| 07:39.32 | MentalPower | does your bot run on a 64-bit system? |
| 07:39.47 | cladhaire | yes |
| 07:40.09 | lua_bot | Linux clpc226.comlab 2.6.23.15-80.fc7 #1 SMP Sun Feb 10 16:52:18 EST 2008 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 07:40.27 | Atriace | When you return something, do you seperate multiple values with spaces or commas? |
| 07:40.33 | batrick | cladhaire: can you explain this? |
| 07:40.34 | batrick | 01:32:27 <+MentalPower> lua> local t = |
| 07:40.34 | batrick | {["1"]="0001",["2"]="0010",["3"]="0011",["4"]="0100",["5"]="0101",["6"]="0110",["7"]="0111",["8"]="1000",["9"]="1001",a="1010",b="1011",c="1100",d="1101",e="1110",f="1111"} function tobinary(n) return (("%x"):format(n):gsub("%w",t)) end return tobinary(2^32) |
| 07:40.36 | MentalPower | commas |
| 07:40.38 | Atriace | danka |
| 07:40.45 | batrick | 01:32:28 <@lua_bot> MentalPower: 000100000000 |
| 07:41.22 | batrick | actually |
| 07:41.24 | batrick | I'm an idiot |
| 07:41.51 | batrick | --> local t = {["0"]="0000",["1"]="0001",["2"]="0010",["3"]="0011",["4"]="0100",["5"]="0101",["6"]="0110",["7"]="0111",["8"]="1000",["9"]="1001",a="1010",b="1011",c="1100",d="1101",e="1110",f="1111"} function tobinary(n) return ("%x"):format(n):gsub("%w",t) end |
| 07:41.55 | batrick | there ya go =) |
| 07:42.03 | batrick | lua> local t = {["0"]="0000",["1"]="0001",["2"]="0010",["3"]="0011",["4"]="0100",["5"]="0101",["6"]="0110",["7"]="0111",["8"]="1000",["9"]="1001",a="1010",b="1011",c="1100",d="1101",e="1110",f="1111"} function tobinary(n) return ("%x"):format(n):gsub("%w",t) end |
| 07:42.03 | lua_bot | batrick: No output |
| 07:42.10 | batrick | lua> local t = {["0"]="0000",["1"]="0001",["2"]="0010",["3"]="0011",["4"]="0100",["5"]="0101",["6"]="0110",["7"]="0111",["8"]="1000",["9"]="1001",a="1010",b="1011",c="1100",d="1101",e="1110",f="1111"} function tobinary(n) return ("%x"):format(n):gsub("%w",t) end return tobinary(2^32) |
| 07:42.10 | lua_bot | batrick: 000100000000000000000000000000000000, 9 |
| 07:42.15 | batrick | =) |
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| 07:48.39 | MentalPower | --> local t = {["0"]="0000",["1"]="0001",["2"]="0010",["3"]="0011",["4"]="0100",["5"]="0101",["6"]="0110",["7"]="0111",["8"]="1000",["9"]="1001",a="1010",b="1011",c="1100",d="1101",e="1110",f="1111"} function tobinary(n) return (("%x"):format(n):gsub("%w",t)) end |
| 07:49.47 | [melin] | anyone know a good software that can tell me brand etc of my motherboard? :P |
| 07:50.03 | MentalPower | you could try SiSoft SANDRA |
| 07:50.08 | [melin] | thanks |
| 07:50.22 | MentalPower | but its a lot easier to just open the case |
| 07:51.14 | Zeksie | can't imagine not knowing by heart what's in my pc :) |
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| 07:58.30 | [melin] | its not my pc =)¨ |
| 07:58.56 | [melin] | its a "open this case and varranty is poop" pc |
| 08:03.23 | reqol | doesn't everest do that? or am I mistaken? |
| 08:04.21 | MentalPower | [melin]: who still does that? |
| 08:04.37 | MentalPower | open case == void warranty |
| 08:07.16 | reqol | why can't I put an object function in OnVerticalScroll? |
| 08:07.54 | reqol | rather FauxScrollFrame_OnVerticalScroll, whenever I use a function defined in an object, it errors |
| 08:08.14 | [melin] | MentalPower people who buy their computers complete in stores :P |
| 08:09.26 | MentalPower | name brand computers don't have that restriction (Dell, HP, Compaq) |
| 08:09.31 | MentalPower | dunno about Lenovo |
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| 08:32.54 | Guillotine | Anybody know of a .dbc editor that doesn't corrupt the .dbc file when it saves? |
| 08:33.23 | reqol | Guillotine: can't help but find that funny |
| 08:33.28 | reqol | sorry, can't help you though : ( |
| 08:33.48 | Guillotine | Sadly, all I have found have no problem reading the file, but corrupt it when they save -_- |
| 08:34.22 | reqol | is there a way to use a tables key as a value (besides through an ipairs loop) |
| 08:34.57 | [melin] | reqol how do you mean? |
| 08:35.23 | [melin] | get "bob" from myTbl["bob"] ? |
| 08:35.27 | reqol | yes |
| 08:35.34 | reqol | even if "bob"'s value was 1 |
| 08:35.36 | reqol | I want to use "bob" |
| 08:35.46 | Guillotine | then don't store it as a key. Thats not what keys are for :P |
| 08:35.49 | [melin] | hmm.. checked the LUA page under WoW_API? |
| 08:36.02 | [melin] | there's a section that covers tables |
| 08:36.17 | reqol | Guillotine: I guess the way I'm doing this is pretty backwards, I have a table with the entire friends list as keys, with their values as 1 |
| 08:36.27 | reqol | I can't remember why I have it that way atm, but I know I had a reason |
| 08:36.37 | Guillotine | err, thats not a good idea |
| 08:36.37 | [melin] | Id remade that system =) |
| 08:36.44 | [melin] | remake* |
| 08:36.57 | reqol | let me remember why I did it that way, and then maybe you guys can help me fix it XD |
| 08:37.53 | reqol | eh, forget it, I'm just gonna reverse it |
| 08:38.08 | [melin] | :P |
| 08:38.15 | [melin] | its generally a bad idea to work around problems |
| 08:38.17 | reqol | I KNOW I had a reason, though. I just can't remember what it was |
| 08:38.28 | [melin] | cause - at the end of the day - the problem is still there |
| 08:41.07 | MentalPower | gnight all |
| 08:41.19 | reqol | good night! |
| 08:41.31 | reqol | ace and XML don't mix very well, or I'm just not doing things correctly |
| 08:42.15 | reqol | most likely the latter |
| 08:43.01 | durcyn | no, xml is evil and should be avoided where possible =P |
| 08:46.00 | sag_ich_nicht | s/where possible/at all cost/ |
| 08:46.24 | Guillotine | eh, not necessarily |
| 08:47.37 | Guillotine | I prefer creating frames with Lua personally, but XML is *slightly* more efficient |
| 08:48.07 | sag_ich_nicht | thus: AT ALL COST |
| 08:51.19 | reqol | sigh |
| 08:51.22 | reqol | this is growing too contrived |
| 08:51.47 | reqol | guess I'm just gonna have to ditch XML |
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| 08:54.57 | Cairenn | someone else want to go tell this guy to get stuffed, please? |
| 08:54.58 | Cairenn | I |
| 08:55.11 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6136345998&sid=1 |
| 08:56.11 | Dezzimal | eh I wouldn't |
| 08:56.23 | Cairenn | ? |
| 08:56.38 | Dezzimal | I mean its not something that anyone here would obviously use |
| 08:56.48 | cladhaire | ... |
| 08:56.50 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 08:56.59 | cladhaire | how do you figure? |
| 08:57.03 | [melin] | Cairenn DONT FEED THE MONKEYS! |
| 08:57.15 | [melin] | cause the API changes too often to make it worth getting a book? |
| 08:57.19 | [melin] | books are static |
| 08:57.21 | cladhaire | or not |
| 08:57.25 | [melin] | 3 months and its useless |
| 08:57.29 | cladhaire | or not. |
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| 08:57.47 | Cairenn | you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about |
| 08:58.53 | cladhaire | its good to know that [melin] and Dezzimal are clearly such longstanding members of the community that they can speak on all of our behalf |
| 08:58.53 | Dezzimal | I'd rather see something that teaches basic high level programming ediquette through the creation of wow addons |
| 08:59.03 | cladhaire | Dezzimal: really, cause that's what the damn book does |
| 08:59.06 | cladhaire | stop trolling |
| 08:59.13 | cladhaire | and its etiquette |
| 08:59.16 | cladhaire | not ediquette |
| 08:59.20 | [melin] | cladhaire where.. did I state I talk for everyone? o.O |
| 08:59.33 | Dezzimal | ouch I got spellcheck countered :/ |
| 08:59.40 | MentalPower|Zzzz | Dezzimal: stop |
| 08:59.45 | Cairenn | seriously |
| 08:59.46 | cladhaire | [melin]: well first, the api does not change rapidly enough to make things out of date |
| 08:59.48 | MentalPower|Zzzz | trolling is not allowed here |
| 09:00.01 | cladhaire | [melin]: and thats hardly the entire point of the book |
| 09:00.01 | [melin] | cladhaire ah no I know.. the 3month was a bit over top :P |
| 09:00.13 | cladhaire | whatever |
| 09:00.19 | cladhaire | you guys don't have to buy it |
| 09:00.24 | [melin] | but it do change.. to avoid cheating by the use of addons (hence all protected stuff atm) |
| 09:00.31 | [melin] | and other reasons |
| 09:00.31 | cladhaire | but don't use the online api reference either |
| 09:00.39 | cladhaire | [melin]: you dont' know what you're talking about, Im' sorry. |
| 09:00.49 | cladhaire | cause clearly the online api reference is useless too |
| 09:01.00 | Arrowmaster | is the online reference free? |
| 09:01.06 | cladhaire | if you're not an asshole, yes. |
| 09:01.18 | Arrowmaster | am i an asshole? |
| 09:01.21 | Cairenn | anyway, whatever, my initial request still stands, [melin] and Dezzimal aside - would someone who has a clue please go tell the guy that reported it for advertising to get stuffed? |
| 09:01.24 | cladhaire | not that im' aware of. |
| 09:01.28 | Arrowmaster | cool |
| 09:01.36 | Dezzimal | you see |
| 09:01.54 | Dezzimal | when I clicked your link I assumed you wanted someone to tell the original poster to get stuffed |
| 09:01.57 | MentalPower|Zzzz | Cairenn: working on it |
| 09:02.00 | [melin] | hmm.. is the book good? |
| 09:02.04 | cladhaire | yes. |
| 09:02.05 | MentalPower|Zzzz | it is |
| 09:02.07 | cladhaire | im' holding it in my hands |
| 09:02.12 | [melin] | maybe I should get it.. |
| 09:02.13 | cladhaire | and everyone in this channel woudl learn somethign from it |
| 09:02.16 | cladhaire | that's the whole reason i wrote it |
| 09:02.17 | Cairenn | Dezzimal: look at the name of the OP ... look at my name .... |
| 09:02.23 | MentalPower|Zzzz | cladhaire: you don't count, tho by my logic neither do I :P |
| 09:02.24 | Dezzimal | and I further assumed that was because the book was possibly poorly written or inaccurate, or not a representation of how to properly build a mod |
| 09:02.36 | cladhaire | well |
| 09:02.39 | [melin] | cladhaire Im coming to haunt you if the book turns out to be no-good :D |
| 09:02.41 | cladhaire | you know what happens when you assume |
| 09:02.44 | Dezzimal | all I see is level 14 nelf |
| 09:02.49 | Dezzimal | so I just assume anon poster |
| 09:02.49 | cladhaire | [melin]: return it if its no good |
| 09:02.51 | Cairenn | the NAME |
| 09:02.52 | reqol | cladhaire: please don't make me relive the experience |
| 09:02.54 | Cairenn | not level |
| 09:03.03 | Cairenn | now look at MY name |
| 09:03.05 | Cairenn | hi |
| 09:03.10 | Arrowmaster | i wouldnt mind glancing through it, although i have little reason to buy something that i probably wouldnt learn that much from |
| 09:03.12 | Dezzimal | hello |
| 09:03.16 | Dezzimal | my bad then |
| 09:03.29 | cladhaire | Arrowmaster: if you think you won't learn anything from it, then you haev low expectations. |
| 09:03.34 | [melin] | Cairenn nice avatar on the 2nd forum |
| 09:03.45 | Cairenn | on my site, you mean? thanks |
| 09:03.59 | reqol | I fully intend on picking up a copy : P |
| 09:04.00 | [melin] | wowinterface.com |
| 09:04.05 | Cairenn | yeah ... my site |
| 09:04.08 | durcyn | ~stab [melin] |
| 09:04.09 | purl | ACTION runs at [melin] with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 09:04.14 | Arrowmaster | cladhaire: no i have high expectations for the book, but even higher expectations for myself |
| 09:04.34 | [melin] | Arrowmaster to their defense.. I still find use of the "PHP for Dummies" type of books, even if Ive done that sort of stuff for years and years |
| 09:04.52 | cladhaire | feel free to read teh excerpts that are available |
| 09:04.57 | cladhaire | they're just a small sample of whats in the book |
| 09:05.01 | [melin] | hey! whats with the stabbin'.. it hurts :( |
| 09:05.03 | cladhaire | or read the .toc |
| 09:05.04 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
| 09:05.25 | [melin] | how much will it cost? |
| 09:05.26 | cladhaire | i don't care if people want to buy it or not.. its been written and its a damn good resource.. that was my whole point |
| 09:05.34 | cladhaire | ~wowprogramming |
| 09:05.35 | purl | from memory, wowprogramming is World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons, a book written by Cladhaire, Kaelten and Cogwheel. It serves as a technical reference for the WoW API and customization system (Due out May 5, 2008). http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob |
| 09:05.40 | cladhaire | its on sale on amazon at that link |
| 09:05.44 | [melin] | nvm. Im blind |
| 09:05.46 | cladhaire | it'll be going back up once it starts shipping |
| 09:05.51 | Srosh | It is advertising though, or not? |
| 09:05.52 | Guillotine | I love how you refer to the table of contents in it as the .toc :P |
| 09:06.00 | MentalPower|Zzzz | Cairenn: refresh |
| 09:06.01 | cladhaire | Guillotine: habit :P |
| 09:06.04 | Guillotine | hehe, I know |
| 09:06.36 | [melin] | $26.39 .. not bad at price at all.. |
| 09:06.37 | MentalPower|Zzzz | cladhaire: next edition, literally call it .toc in the book :P |
| 09:06.54 | [melin] | thats.. 2 pizza and a coke in sweden |
| 09:07.19 | Cairenn | Srosh: no, it's telling the community about a resource, just like the sticky thread I've got |
| 09:07.40 | Cairenn | if I were making some sort of gain from it, *maybe* you could claim advertising |
| 09:07.45 | Cairenn | but geez |
| 09:07.47 | [melin] | ok - might be a stupid question - any of the authors in here? :D |
| 09:07.54 | durcyn | wow, just wow |
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| 09:08.26 | Cairenn | shall we next no longer tell people about new mods that are out? or websites? or warn about trojans? |
| 09:08.30 | Srosh | Well, I'm not talking about if it's reportable or not because I'm not familiar with the CoC of the official forums. |
| 09:09.04 | [melin] | I dont think there is a rule against tipping each other of WoW books |
| 09:09.26 | Srosh | I think the thread is fine from my personal view but I still see it as (mild) advertising in a wide scope. |
| 09:09.26 | [melin] | there might be about other MMORPG's etc (there is.. I know) - but other WoW contents? nooes |
| 09:09.46 | cladhaire | [melin]: I wrote over 80% of the book, why |
| 09:09.55 | [melin] | well.. linking to our guildforum where I have Google Adsense should be advertisement aswell then |
| 09:10.05 | [melin] | cladhaire Im putting down an order for one in 2 days =) |
| 09:10.27 | cladhaire | it should still be on sale then, so that's good |
| 09:10.30 | Arrowmaster | how many copies will wowi have to give away and what are my chances of getting one? |
| 09:10.32 | cladhaire | i dont want people to wait and get hosed |
| 09:10.50 | [melin] | doesnt matter if on sale.. I'll buy one anyway.. you have no idea what computer programming books costs in sweden |
| 09:10.55 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: there'll be a news post up on the site when we have the details to give |
| 09:11.19 | [melin] | you pay like 70-80 USD for a simple book about ASP |
| 09:11.28 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: do you expect to give them away before or after the amazon sale is over? |
| 09:11.51 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: after - they're going to be on the shelves on May 5 |
| 09:12.11 | Cairenn | not a chance we're going to have them in hand and run the contest before then .... |
| 09:12.12 | cladhaire | amazon will liely be shipping before its in teh stores |
| 09:12.15 | cladhaire | just cause of the way they work |
| 09:12.20 | [melin] | Cairenn will they hit the markets in Sweden? :D |
| 09:12.27 | Cairenn | ask Wiley |
| 09:12.28 | cladhaire | [melin]: gah that sucks price-wise |
| 09:12.32 | Cairenn | (the publishers) |
| 09:12.57 | [melin] | cladhaire yea.. but for the price of 2 pizzas and 2 coke - I'll gladly get a copy =) its basically free :D |
| 09:13.19 | [melin] | oh.. right... my son pooped like 8 hours ago.. I should change his diaper.. :| |
| 09:13.29 | [melin] | curse you.. you made me forget :D |
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| 09:18.24 | Cairenn | hahhaha! http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/04/25/funny-pictures-offis-assystent/ |
| 09:23.11 | Arrowmaster | wtf http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/04/22/funny-pictures-just-for-the-attention/ |
| 09:23.35 | Gngsk | the comments on those pages are out of control |
| 09:33.38 | Arrowmaster | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/04/12/funny-pictures-recommend-not-letting/ |
| 09:33.44 | Arrowmaster | yes im bored |
| 09:33.54 | Arrowmaster | i blame Cairenn for starting it |
| 09:33.59 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 09:40.58 | sag_ich_nicht | ugh |
| 09:41.12 | Cairenn | sag_ich_nicht: ? |
| 09:41.34 | sag_ich_nicht | nvm, i just have ICHC |
| 09:41.37 | sag_ich_nicht | *hate |
| 09:41.46 | Cairenn | ah |
| 09:42.00 | sag_ich_nicht | just like i hate ebaumsworld.com |
| 09:42.21 | sag_ich_nicht | content thieves >< |
| 09:43.30 | art3mis | anyone know any good sbs2003 how-tos/tutorials for using rww/vpn to share connections and resources on client machines if they are ALL remote to the server? |
| 09:44.03 | sag_ich_nicht | ask in ##windows-server |
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| 09:48.38 | Shot | Is this possibly too many options for a pretty simple addon? - http://i30.tinypic.com/2bryad.jpg |
| 09:49.37 | Cairenn | people like options (my opinion) |
| 09:50.50 | leethal | at least in the UI modding world |
| 09:51.26 | Tem | wowzers the boss in Area5 of rez is _hard_ |
| 09:52.22 | Arrowmaster | is not |
| 09:53.15 | Arrowmaster | getting over 95% shot down in area5 of rez is hard though |
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| 09:54.25 | Arrowmaster | area2 tera is the only hard boss |
| 10:03.24 | Tem | area2 terra kicked my ass earlier |
| 10:11.23 | Tem | area5 isn't that hard, but the boss isn't easy for me |
| 10:11.37 | Tem | I have a feeling I would benefit from proper controls |
| 10:11.49 | Tem | but I'm too cheap to buy a 360 just for rez |
| 10:22.56 | art3mis | http://www.netsupportmanager.com/features.asp <-- i really like this app |
| 10:23.30 | cladhaire | nice |
| 10:24.45 | sag_ich_nicht | uh |
| 10:24.53 | sag_ich_nicht | why do i need that when there is RDP and VNC? |
| 10:25.48 | sag_ich_nicht | RDP being BUILT IN mind you |
| 10:25.49 | art3mis | vnc and rdp dont support push tech |
| 10:26.06 | art3mis | or rahter dont have a centalized remote web based type interface |
| 10:26.26 | art3mis | its like networkstreaming.. |
| 10:26.42 | art3mis | you've got a central server, all the remote clients to the server(not in the same office) conenct |
| 10:26.42 | sag_ich_nicht | [12:25] <art3mis> vnc and rdp dont support push tech <--which i need why exactly? |
| 10:26.51 | art3mis | for remote support |
| 10:26.52 | sag_ich_nicht | [12:26] <art3mis> or rahter dont have a centalized remote web based type interface <--lern2AD |
| 10:27.24 | art3mis | you've got 5 companies that you support, no centralized servers at them |
| 10:27.24 | sag_ich_nicht | if you want support, you call me and i connect with RDP to the computer you're AD account is logged onto atm |
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| 10:28.32 | sag_ich_nicht | any company who has more than 10 computers should have an AD instead of a workgroup, assuming they use windows. if they don't, they can bite my shiney metall ass, because I sure as hell won't provide any support for them. |
| 10:29.15 | art3mis | ad isnt gonna give me a happy connection list for 5 seperate companies all remote with a workgroup environment |
| 10:29.15 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah. stop using workgroups. |
| 10:29.15 | art3mis | nor easy check remote stats on them |
| 10:29.22 | art3mis | why the fuck would a 5 person office need a server? |
| 10:31.03 | sag_ich_nicht | why would you need a propritary solution for storing 5 different computer names? |
| 10:31.16 | sag_ich_nicht | -propritary +third party |
| 10:31.56 | art3mis | you actually dont think before you type do you |
| 10:32.02 | art3mis | and you've never been a consultant |
| 10:32.45 | sag_ich_nicht | oh have been? |
| 10:32.47 | art3mis | having a centalized remote access product like the above works excellent for someonethats got say 5 clients with 3-7 computers |
| 10:32.53 | art3mis | each |
| 10:33.08 | art3mis | there is no reason for any of those clients to drop 800-1500 for a server |
| 10:33.15 | art3mis | that they dont need and arent gonna use |
| 10:33.16 | sag_ich_nicht | no need to either. |
| 10:33.35 | sag_ich_nicht | but there's no need for a third party solution like that either |
| 10:34.03 | art3mis | so this product acts as a gateway for the remote consultant to access any and all those machines remotely without intervnetion on the clients side |
| 10:34.10 | art3mis | OR needing to know the ips |
| 10:34.14 | art3mis | which can change |
| 10:35.22 | sag_ich_nicht | or you could just have, you know, a VPN connection like you should have anyway and the computernames. |
| 10:35.46 | art3mis | uhh |
| 10:36.03 | art3mis | wow |
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| 10:37.00 | art3mis | so lets see if i got this right |
| 10:38.08 | sag_ich_nicht | look, this discussion is pointless. you and me have very different views about how things should work apparently, so let's just keep it that way, because i have to reboot my system now to apply a few security hotfixes |
| 10:38.31 | sag_ich_nicht | -because |
| 10:38.31 | art3mis | you think that i should setup a vpn for all 4 seperate clients that might have a single office and 3 computers each JUST so i can access it, instead of a simple push client vnc connection |
| 10:38.54 | durcyn | i think you two should get it over with and kiss |
| 10:39.38 | art3mis | a push client that tells me whee it is, makes the connection to MY server thus negating the need to configure a firewall and making it so i dont even need to have a list or memorize the ip? |
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| 10:40.31 | sag_ich_nicht | art3mis: i think you will need a VPN for proper network debugging anyway which is an issue that will come up at some point, unless you want to disrupt a user from working while you abuse their client to fix a network issue that's probably not even on their machine, cutting down their active worktime |
| 10:41.30 | sag_ich_nicht | but as i said, we apparently have very different views about this, neither will change, I'll reboot now, then install the rest of my hotfixes & an updat rollup, thus: bbl |
| 10:42.57 | sag_ich_nicht | s/updat/update/ |
| 10:51.27 | art3mis | i love having my 30mbit connection |
| 10:51.36 | art3mis | it make doing inwders updates so much simpler |
| 10:51.41 | art3mis | winders |
| 10:53.58 | zenzelezz | synchronous or asynchronous? |
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| 10:57.00 | Fisker- | alert the internet |
| 11:00.12 | Fisker- | btw Funkeh` |
| 11:00.15 | Fisker- | not that i use your addon |
| 11:00.26 | Fisker- | but some spammers also use .ccoomm |
| 11:00.57 | Funkeh` | I cover that |
| 11:01.06 | Fisker- | :( |
| 11:01.10 | Fisker- | i wanted to make fun of oyu |
| 11:01.11 | Fisker- | you |
| 11:01.27 | durcyn | well, you made someone look dumb, but i don't think it was who you were aiming at |
| 11:02.26 | Fisker- | oh u |
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| 11:42.53 | Adys | data = {1, 2, 3,} for i,v in data(t) do Guidd:Print(v) end |
| 11:42.57 | Adys | What's wrong with this? |
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| 11:43.31 | sag_ich_nicht | there, that should do. |
| 11:43.36 | sag_ich_nicht | ~lart Microsoft |
| 11:43.36 | purl | --purges Microsoft |
| 11:43.51 | sag_ich_nicht | that lart only fits if apt does it |
| 11:43.56 | sag_ich_nicht | >< |
| 11:44.07 | Adys | it's giving me "attempt to call global data (a table value) |
| 11:47.24 | Tem | Adys, attempt to call a table value |
| 11:47.30 | Tem | data is a table |
| 11:47.33 | Tem | not a function |
| 11:48.00 | Tem | the exression "data(t)" implies there is a function named data that you're calling with the parameter t |
| 11:48.05 | Adys | oh yah |
| 11:48.07 | Adys | hm |
| 11:48.17 | Tem | for i,v in pairs(data) do ... end |
| 11:48.36 | Adys | ahh right |
| 11:48.37 | Adys | thanks |
| 12:00.12 | art3mis | sag_ich_nicht: got a winders sbs quetion for ya |
| 12:00.43 | sag_ich_nicht | shoot |
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| 12:19.44 | SpiderBK | hi |
| 12:23.06 | reqol | hey : ) |
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| 12:25.57 | Atriace | Cairenn|afk: ping! |
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| 13:27.04 | Adys | Is it possible to parse every key of a table as of key # x with a for? |
| 13:27.24 | Adys | i cant do an if check |
| 13:29.52 | dylanm | Adys: key # x? |
| 13:29.56 | dylanm | What do you mean by that? |
| 13:30.20 | Adys | say I got 20 000 keys in a table, numbered randomly between 1 and 100 000 |
| 13:30.37 | Adys | I want to parse only the ones superior to 1000 |
| 13:31.04 | Adys | and i cant do an if check since its a timed event and it disconnects me due to the load |
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| 14:13.10 | leethal | why 4 i can not liek transfer from pve 2 pvp realm? grr.. |
| 14:13.47 | leethal | I can't think of any good technical reasons for that, but there must be one. What's the deal? |
| 14:14.36 | [melin] | something about it being way much easier to get good gear on pve realms? |
| 14:14.54 | [melin] | maybe the same reason youre not allowed to have chars on both sides on pvp realms aswell |
| 14:15.13 | leethal | is it easier to get good gear on pve realms? |
| 14:16.05 | [melin] | dunno.. but I believe I saw that being one of the reasons once |
| 14:16.22 | [melin] | you level quicker on pve realms since you dont risk being ganked all the time |
| 14:16.36 | Legorol | leethal: it's easier to level on a pve realm |
| 14:16.43 | Legorol | there is no technical reason, merely moral reasons |
| 14:16.48 | leethal | bah |
| 14:16.59 | [melin] | however.. Id prefer the other way.. no transfer from pvp to pve.. Im on an RP realm.. and pvp leet kids are just awful =) |
| 14:17.21 | Legorol | that's a different matter entirely, don't allow non-RP -> RP transfers |
| 14:17.24 | leethal | so if I call blizzard and say that I transfered at level 70, now I want to transfer back, I'm probably gonna be bet with huge understanding and agreement? =P |
| 14:17.35 | Legorol | and also, use the Power of the Community (TM) to marginalise poor RP-ers on RP realms |
| 14:17.52 | Legorol | leethal: you will not be allowed to transfer back |
| 14:18.07 | leethal | transfered a 70 from a RP-PvP to a RP realm, and now I want it back to that RP-PvP. But I'm screwed, blizzard doesn't have to listen to customers like me anyway. |
| 14:18.24 | leethal | sometimes you wish they had 10 000 subscribers, so that they really _needed_ every single one of them, and could do this kind of stuff |
| 14:18.25 | leethal | oh well |
| 14:18.33 | Legorol | no, they don't, especially when said customer could, and should've checked out all his options *before* committing to transfer |
| 14:18.36 | leethal | at least I know why now |
| 14:18.39 | Legorol | since it's clearly stated/publicised |
| 14:18.43 | leethal | Legorol: heh, I did |
| 14:18.46 | leethal | so that's no 'excuse' |
| 14:18.50 | leethal | I just regret it, that's all |
| 14:19.01 | Legorol | aye, life is full of regrets |
| 14:19.04 | Legorol | life sucks, and then you die |
| 14:19.09 | [melin] | well.. make a new pvp one.. its.. what? 4 weeks of hard work? :D |
| 14:19.15 | Legorol | or, you could just enjoy the game ;-) |
| 14:19.29 | [melin] | well.. /pvp and youre on a pvp realm again :D |
| 14:19.29 | leethal | I am, so that's not a problem |
| 14:19.31 | leethal | would be nice though |
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| 14:20.27 | leethal | the boring thing is that this particular regret is solvable with "UPDATE characters SET realm_id = 1234 where characters.id = 6789" |
| 14:21.41 | [melin] | well.. sometimes I wish I was on an RP-PvP realm aswell |
| 14:21.50 | [melin] | thing is - when I started - there wasnt any RP-PvP realms |
| 14:22.23 | Polarina | leethal: You don't know your character id. |
| 14:22.43 | leethal | I don't know how to connect to their databases either, so that's np =P |
| 14:23.49 | Polarina | leethal: UPDATE `characters` SET realm = (SELECT `id` FROM `realms` WHERE `name` = '<Destination Realm>') WHERE `name` = 'Leethal' |
| 14:24.07 | Polarina | s/realm/`realm`/ |
| 14:24.15 | leethal | I wonder if it's possible to hack into their databases and change it. Alternatively sneak into their data centers at night |
| 14:24.30 | Polarina | leethal: You can't. :) |
| 14:24.39 | leethal | anyone up for that? I'll paint my face and go sneaky sneaky |
| 14:24.53 | Polarina | leethal: But if you can, you can transfer back without initiating their logging system. |
| 14:25.05 | leethal | I need a medic, a techie, a fanatic trigger happy dude and a random annoying person to get killed first |
| 14:25.56 | leethal | Polarina: how so? |
| 14:26.07 | [melin] | leethal the last one would be, either the rich blonde (if big boobs she will die last) or the cocky streetkid |
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| 14:26.28 | Polarina | leethal: If you hack their database and execute a query to change your realm, it won't most likely initiate their logging system. |
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| 14:26.57 | leethal | perhaps their logging system is based on DB triggers |
| 14:27.08 | Polarina | leethal: That could well be. |
| 14:28.04 | leethal | "Hey, it's Johnson from the Police here, I was just wondering if your database triggered logs had something on some event that occurred last night." "Well, we don't use database triggers, but we do have logs for everything, let me check." |
| 14:28.05 | leethal | AHA! |
| 14:28.36 | Polarina | :P |
| 14:28.54 | Polarina | Real quotes or made-up? |
| 14:29.24 | leethal | and the plan: 1. enter the facility. 2. ??????????? 3. Profit! |
| 14:29.24 | leethal | real quotes, I called them just now and pretended I was a police officer! |
| 14:30.12 | Polarina | leethal: You |
| 14:30.20 | Polarina | s/You/You're joking, right?/ |
| 14:30.33 | nevcairiel | leethal would never joke about DB stuff! |
| 14:31.03 | leethal | of course not, I want to migrate this character. Also, I just found a trigger happy guy and a medic, I just need the techie and the random guy that gets killed first |
| 14:31.04 | Polarina | o.O |
| 14:31.46 | nevcairiel | I can do your techie, and i recommend Polarina for the other guy :P |
| 14:32.01 | leethal | awesome! |
| 14:32.29 | Polarina | :'( |
| 14:33.14 | leethal | blarg there last train to france just left, gotta do it tomorrow night then |
| 14:33.22 | leethal | s/there/the |
| 14:33.28 | Polarina | leethal: :'( |
| 14:33.45 | nevcairiel | too bad |
| 14:33.56 | leethal | you peeps are in the US? We can probably steal some money from blizzard while we're there to cover the costs, they're rich and stuff |
| 14:34.10 | Polarina | No, I'm in Europe. |
| 14:34.14 | [melin] | im european |
| 14:34.17 | nevcairiel | europe too, so thats good |
| 14:34.26 | leethal | they do keep their money in mattresses right? we could use some money anyway I guess |
| 14:34.42 | leethal | the most important thing is to execute that query, though, so no fighting over the money |
| 14:34.56 | leethal | that will cause Polarina to die, as that's the random-person-that-gets-killed-first |
| 14:35.02 | Polarina | :( |
| 14:35.57 | nevcairiel | sacrifices must be made to reach our ultimate goal! |
| 14:37.08 | leethal | we'll meet here, http://tinyurl.com/524yzz (google maps) |
| 14:37.38 | nevcairiel | nice crowded place, perfect! |
| 14:37.38 | leethal | it's disneyland, only a 5 hour walk to get to the server rooms to the south |
| 14:38.25 | nevcairiel | i'll bring some bikes or something, that should speed things up |
| 14:38.37 | leethal | we'll use one of these as transport, http://www.lundsvagen-naturskole.no/images/trobaat.jpg, on the river |
| 14:38.45 | nevcairiel | or that |
| 14:39.03 | leethal | remember to bring life jackets |
| 14:39.14 | Fisker- | btw |
| 14:39.19 | Fisker- | i am going to destroy you nevcairiel |
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| 14:39.34 | leethal | aww, you're gonna be waiting for us in the server room? |
| 14:39.46 | leethal | just when we didn't expect it? |
| 14:39.50 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 14:39.55 | nevcairiel | Fisker- cant leave denmark without me going to get to him first |
| 14:40.16 | leethal | oh well, every story needs an antagonist |
| 14:40.41 | leethal | we could bring ckknight as another tech guy, in case someone gets killed |
| 14:40.52 | leethal | or if nevcairiel forgets to bring a life jacket, which means we can't bring him with us in the boat |
| 14:41.09 | leethal | s/bring him with us/take him with us |
| 14:41.56 | leethal | I just hope they have emacs installed on their terminals, cba to have to use vim or nano or something |
| 14:42.15 | leethal | so I guess we need one vim expert and two MS Word experts, just in case |
| 14:42.18 | ckknight | hey leethal |
| 14:42.42 | leethal | ckknight: hey! we're planning a raid on blizzards servers in france so that I can migrate a character of mine from a PvE realm to a PvP realm, btw |
| 14:42.52 | ckknight | nah, I'm not going to France |
| 14:43.06 | leethal | they have money in their mattresses *wink wink* |
| 14:43.30 | ckknight | you just want to get me on a mattress with you |
| 14:43.33 | ckknight | well, it's not gonna work |
| 14:44.25 | leethal | damn! Btw nevcairiel can you kill ckknight as he's aware of the plan and all now |
| 14:44.38 | cladhaire | leethal: can i join in? |
| 14:44.40 | ckknight | nuh-uh |
| 14:44.46 | cladhaire | leethal: i need to transfer my us account to eu |
| 14:44.47 | cladhaire | kpls |
| 14:45.08 | cladhaire | Who's going to Paris, by the way? |
| 14:45.11 | cladhaire | did anyone get tickets? |
| 14:45.11 | leethal | cladhaire: yeah sure. Can you use vim? that'd be perfect |
| 14:45.17 | cladhaire | leethal: i _can_ use vim :P |
| 14:45.24 | Polarina | cladhaire: We can't raid both the headquarters... |
| 14:46.06 | cladhaire | Polarina: why can't we kidnap someone? |
| 14:46.10 | cladhaire | that always gets us what we want |
| 14:46.13 | cladhaire | then there's no raiding necessary |
| 14:46.22 | Polarina | cladhaire: Ah.. No problems then. :) |
| 14:46.28 | leethal | Polarina: the eu data centers can access the us data centers via satelites, so that's np |
| 14:46.34 | leethal | we can just ssh into the us from eu |
| 14:46.39 | cladhaire | i'm a druid.. i'll root Metzen and we'll get a chain cc on him |
| 14:46.50 | leethal | I have Ragnaros' private key so we'll be fine |
| 14:47.00 | cladhaire | BUT DO YOU HAVE HIS PASSWORD? |
| 14:47.19 | amro | easy, mind control |
| 14:47.20 | leethal | shit, that's why I only had to pay $10 000 000 for it |
| 14:50.05 | Kaelten | http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN2319603620080423?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0 |
| 14:50.50 | Gnarfoz | leethal: you sure your server is in france at all? |
| 14:51.31 | zenzelezz | hm, the top guild on my realm is selling Amani War Bear runs for 10k gold |
| 14:51.32 | leethal | Gnarfoz: trust me.. I have pro informants |
| 14:51.56 | Gnarfoz | zenzelezz: nice ;> |
| 14:52.25 | foxlit | DI their tank, problem solved :) |
| 14:52.36 | amro | rofl Kaelten |
| 14:53.37 | leethal | http://img.skitch.com/20080426-cf2t3pehmwkueukfkp11w7jxd5.jpg =( |
| 14:53.42 | leethal | didn't work |
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| 14:54.31 | leethal | raggy is probably angry for not having wiped a group for, like, a year or something |
| 14:54.35 | leethal | must be painful |
| 14:55.32 | Saeris | Anyone ever run into a "memory allocation error: block too big" message? I've got it triggering from CowTip when it calls :GetRegions() on my parsing tooltip. |
| 14:56.15 | Stanzilla | ~seen Grum |
| 14:56.16 | purl | grum is currently on #norganna, last said: 'Achmed the terrorist ftw!'. |
| 14:57.20 | leethal | cladhaire: btw, I was all like "I'm gonna add pet frames to perfectraid now. Gonna. Gonna!" but then I meh-ed due to large amounts of code. Got any hints? |
| 14:57.41 | leethal | also, how did you write the addon? Does it have any sort of simulation-ish mode, or did you just force people to be in a raid with you? |
| 14:58.01 | cladhaire | leethal: i just know the template |
| 14:58.07 | cladhaire | are pets not in the beta |
| 14:58.10 | cladhaire | they probably aren't. |
| 14:58.22 | cladhaire | can you remind me sometime next week and i'll look at it? |
| 14:58.26 | cladhaire | you can even help me test :P |
| 14:58.40 | leethal | oh didn't think of checking the beta, just downed it from wowi. You're working on it? I'd love to help you test |
| 14:58.54 | cladhaire | leethal: ping me mid-next-week |
| 14:58.57 | leethal | kk |
| 14:58.58 | cladhaire | and we'll see what i can put together |
| 15:01.12 | leethal | now, making a blade runner/cyberpunk-ish MMO.. where to begin.. |
| 15:01.52 | [melin] | leethal webgame? |
| 15:02.20 | leethal | could be, could be |
| 15:02.56 | cladhaire | i should go level to 50 |
| 15:02.57 | cladhaire | get mangle |
| 15:03.00 | cladhaire | then clean my room |
| 15:03.03 | cladhaire | before going to the gym |
| 15:03.20 | leethal | MMO is not a requirement. I want to be able to buy a flat in a 120 floor building and steal some guys kidney so that I can sell it, though |
| 15:06.54 | leethal | yeah you go mangle, I'll go stealth in cat form http://www.gitrknowswow.com/images/wownews/kitty.jpg |
| 15:12.02 | leethal | off to buy some mp5's, cya |
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| 15:49.40 | Hirsute | There was some chat in here yesterday working on a macro that will refill your stack of a particular item when you run it at a vendor... anyone have a link to the pastey for it, off-hand? I thought I bookmarked it, but can't seem to find it now. |
| 15:51.47 | Gotai | Ehr... http://wowi.pastey.net/86574 was the latest version I think. |
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| 15:55.58 | Hirsute | Gotai: Yay! Thanks |
| 16:06.54 | cncfanatics | bah |
| 16:07.11 | cncfanatics | anyone can help me with c++ errors ? :p I'm getting multiple definitions errors while linking and I'm wondering why ... |
| 16:07.21 | cncfanatics | I'm defining some variables in a header, bad thing ? |
| 16:08.11 | Shirik|zZz | what's up? |
| 16:08.18 | Shirik|zZz | I already know your problem |
| 16:08.37 | Shirik | yes, defining variables in a header is very, very bad |
| 16:08.40 | nevcairiel | your header probably lacks a big #ifdef __HEADERNAME_H__ and is included multiple times |
| 16:08.49 | Shirik | even with that, nevcairiel, it would be a problem |
| 16:08.57 | cncfanatics | it does have that header |
| 16:09.06 | cncfanatics | I'm wondering where to define my variables if not in the header |
| 16:09.10 | Shirik | becuase if you have multiple cpp files, each one gets compiled independently |
| 16:09.12 | nevcairiel | in the c files |
| 16:09.13 | cncfanatics | I need them in 2 files (main.cpp and GLBase.cpp) |
| 16:09.14 | Shirik | you have to do it in a cpp file |
| 16:09.17 | Shirik | however |
| 16:09.21 | Shirik | in the header file you can declare an extern |
| 16:09.23 | nevcairiel | cncfanatics: write a getter :P |
| 16:09.32 | cncfanatics | Shirik: how would I do that ? |
| 16:09.34 | Shirik | for example in the cpp file you would do |
| 16:09.35 | Shirik | int foo; |
| 16:09.39 | Shirik | in the h file you would do |
| 16:09.41 | Shirik | extern int foo; |
| 16:09.45 | cncfanatics | :o |
| 16:09.49 | cncfanatics | <3 you Shirik |
| 16:09.54 | cncfanatics | I just started with cpp today, its confusing :p |
| 16:09.56 | nevcairiel | global variablas = terribad |
| 16:09.56 | Shirik | the extern lets the compiler know "trust me, this exists somewhere" |
| 16:10.08 | Shirik | so the compiler leaves it to the linker to go find it later |
| 16:10.26 | cncfanatics | cheers :) |
| 16:10.27 | Shirik | the problem as it is now is that each of the cpp files are including that header file, each of which CREATES that variable |
| 16:10.41 | Shirik | then when the linker gets to it it's all like "wtf two different variables, same name" |
| 16:10.48 | cncfanatics | for arrays is it extern type foo[size]; or extern type foo; |
| 16:11.14 | Shirik | I've never externed an array but it should be extern type[] foo I think |
| 16:11.17 | Shirik | play around with it |
| 16:11.20 | cncfanatics | will do |
| 16:11.25 | Shirik | I would use a pointer in such a case :P |
| 16:11.27 | cncfanatics | i'm also gonna try to get rid of as much global vars as possible :p |
| 16:11.36 | Shirik | but yes, global variables are bad :) |
| 16:11.39 | cncfanatics | this is c++ / opengl day one for me heh |
| 16:11.50 | cncfanatics | and I've been following different tutos all around the net, and its getting messy |
| 16:12.08 | Shirik | But yes I'm afraid I know a bit too much about C++ so feel free to ask any questions :P It's my favorite language, despite all the haters out there |
| 16:12.14 | nevcairiel | Write clean ANSI C with OpenGL imho, goes better together, seeing the OpenGL API is not C++ but C |
| 16:12.24 | cncfanatics | its C atm |
| 16:12.27 | cncfanatics | only the file extensions is cp |
| 16:12.29 | cncfanatics | cpp* |
| 16:12.30 | Shirik | Psh, Lua isn't C++ and I use it anyway! |
| 16:12.43 | cncfanatics | the goal is c++ though, just didn't need it yet :p |
| 16:13.13 | cncfanatics | I fear I'm going to have to rewrite this window creater function |
| 16:13.18 | cncfanatics | and I hate creating windows |
| 16:13.20 | cncfanatics | with a passion |
| 16:13.36 | nevcairiel | use Glut |
| 16:13.37 | nevcairiel | imho |
| 16:13.44 | nevcairiel | its so damn easy to learn OpenGL with |
| 16:14.20 | Shirik | Is it bad that I just wrote ScT on my notes for my final and laughed? |
| 16:14.31 | cncfanatics | kind of |
| 16:14.46 | ckknight | ScT? |
| 16:15.11 | Shirik | well it reminded me of scrolling combat text for some reason >< |
| 16:15.27 | Shirik | I don't really know what it stands for, it's just the output of an amplitude modulation system |
| 16:15.32 | cncfanatics | Shirik: less WoW :p |
| 16:15.40 | Shirik | yes I agree |
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| 16:17.20 | Shirik | course if batrick were here he'd know |
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| 16:18.56 | cncfanatics | hmmm, using dev-c++ |
| 16:19.04 | cncfanatics | how can I tell the linker to use the glut lib ? |
| 16:19.07 | cncfanatics | that IDE confuses me |
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| 16:19.19 | Shirik | ewwwwwwwwwwwwww |
| 16:19.27 | Shirik | first off, get visual studio express |
| 16:19.30 | Shirik | secondly, if you really want to |
| 16:19.48 | Shirik | it's something like project properties->libraries->add the library folder |
| 16:20.03 | Shirik | I don't have it with me so I can't tell you for sure |
| 16:20.12 | Fisker- | why get teh express edition when you can get teh PRO edition?! :O |
| 16:20.23 | Shirik | Fisker-: Maybe he doesn't want to shell out $700? :) |
| 16:20.29 | Shirik | I did, but that's another story |
| 16:20.31 | cncfanatics | any good non microsoft IDE's ? :p |
| 16:20.32 | Fisker- | <-free here :D |
| 16:20.38 | cogwheel | $400 for teh upgrade imo |
| 16:20.48 | cncfanatics | I'm not into microsoft products |
| 16:20.48 | Fisker- | cncfanatics notepad++ :P |
| 16:20.57 | Shirik | cncfanatics: Have you tried it? :) Visual Studio is widely regarded as one of the few things that Microsoft did correctly |
| 16:20.58 | cncfanatics | then I have to make my own makefiles Fisker- |
| 16:21.00 | cncfanatics | and thats a mess |
| 16:21.01 | cogwheel | cncfanatics: that's what they call "prejudice" |
| 16:21.03 | Fisker- | Visual Studio is pretty awesome though |
| 16:21.16 | Fisker- | That depends cncfanatics |
| 16:21.17 | cncfanatics | cogwheel: rather prevent then repair |
| 16:21.27 | cogwheel | visual studio's ide really is one of the best out three |
| 16:21.32 | cogwheel | there* |
| 16:21.35 | cogwheel | cncfanatics: tinfoil hat imo |
| 16:21.37 | cncfanatics | (rather prevent installing a microsoft product then having to uninstall it out of frustration) |
| 16:21.39 | Fisker- | with VS project files you can just use msbuild.exe |
| 16:21.48 | cncfanatics | well, thing is |
| 16:21.49 | Fisker- | and with sourcefiles you can just use csc.exe |
| 16:21.50 | cogwheel | cncfanatics: visual studio uninstalls just fine :P |
| 16:21.52 | cncfanatics | currently I'm on windows |
| 16:21.55 | cogwheel | I've done it plenty of times |
| 16:21.56 | cncfanatics | but I'm very often on linux too |
| 16:22.00 | cncfanatics | anything that exists for both OS ? |
| 16:22.07 | Shirik | Netbeans |
| 16:22.11 | cogwheel | eclipse? |
| 16:22.13 | Shirik | however I don't think it has the windows SDK |
| 16:22.30 | cogwheel | but it exists... |
| 16:22.43 | Fisker- | the java i did was on eclipse |
| 16:22.46 | Fisker- | and it was horrible |
| 16:22.50 | Shirik | I use netbeans for java, love it. I know it has a C++ module, I just don't know how good it is |
| 16:22.52 | Fisker- | though not as horrible as BlueJ and what not |
| 16:22.53 | cncfanatics | anything at the VS level for both platforms ? |
| 16:22.55 | cogwheel | we all love vs express but cncfanatics is disgusted by the fact... |
| 16:23.03 | Fisker- | i doubt it cncfanatics |
| 16:23.07 | cogwheel | so maybe he'd like eclipse ;) |
| 16:23.07 | cncfanatics | I'm gonna get VS if there ain't better cross platform |
| 16:23.14 | Fisker- | get VS, edit source files in another IDE in linux |
| 16:23.20 | cladhaire | vim is cross platform |
| 16:23.28 | Fisker- | should be fine as long you don't tamper with project files |
| 16:23.28 | Shirik | he wants an IDE though :) |
| 16:23.37 | cogwheel | honestly, i've tried a hell of a lot of ides and VS has consistently won me over |
| 16:23.42 | cncfanatics | either someone that can learn me to manage a project, or an IDE, either will do :p |
| 16:23.42 | Shirik | yup |
| 16:23.43 | cladhaire | vim can be an ide :P |
| 16:23.44 | Shirik | me too |
| 16:24.11 | Shirik | VS just has a lot of neat tools because it is so geared towards the Microsoft OS |
| 16:24.13 | cogwheel | its C# support is the sexiest imo... though i probably won't be able to convince you to get in that deep :P |
| 16:24.18 | cncfanatics | what do people programming on linux usualy use ? |
| 16:24.23 | Shirik | gcc |
| 16:24.25 | Shirik | and vim |
| 16:24.32 | cncfanatics | I know that much, to generate makefiles and the shit :p |
| 16:24.32 | Shirik | or my evil friend with his Kate |
| 16:25.43 | cncfanatics | actualy, it'd also be nice if someone could tell me how to actualy tell the linker that I need certain libs used instead of me doing it through an IDE every time |
| 16:26.11 | cogwheel | i'm sure there's a global option somewhere |
| 16:26.34 | Shirik | I could |
| 16:26.39 | cncfanatics | plx Shirik :p |
| 16:26.40 | Shirik | if you were using Visual Studio ;) |
| 16:26.58 | Shirik | otherwise I don't know :D |
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| 16:27.17 | cogwheel | rub? |
| 16:27.34 | cncfanatics | I'll be programming on linux probably pretty soon |
| 16:27.40 | cncfanatics | so really, crossplatform things win out in that case :p |
| 16:28.02 | cogwheel | linux nerds are too geeky for ides imo |
| 16:28.11 | Sixen | Kd3 = Linux user, =o. |
| 16:28.26 | deltron | eclipse :P |
| 16:28.36 | cogwheel | see above :P |
| 16:28.41 | cncfanatics | boooo |
| 16:29.28 | Sixen | =p |
| 16:29.55 | cogwheel | but i'm still really more of a lUser |
| 16:30.54 | Shirik | my password is solid though! |
| 16:35.16 | cladhaire | i need to find a way to launch MacVim from the commandline |
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| 16:38.16 | Shirik | hey cogwheel, what was that mod you wrote to send whispers to everyone targeting what you're targetting? |
| 16:38.36 | cogwheel | ccwarn |
| 16:38.54 | cogwheel | not sure how well it works these days... should probably try it out |
| 16:39.02 | Shirik | <3 |
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| 16:57.21 | cogwheel | ahh lag... my wife just mind controlled a mob i sheeped |
| 16:57.53 | Shirik | lol |
| 16:58.02 | Shirik | thus begins the fighting |
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| 17:01.06 | Cide | ~failrik |
| 17:01.07 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 17:02.19 | Shirik | Hey Cide |
| 17:02.29 | Shirik | help me find the amplitude of this sinc function |
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| 17:08.10 | Cide | Shirik: meh :/ |
| 17:08.14 | Cide | paste it and we'll see |
| 17:08.24 | Shirik | hm, how to get the graphs |
| 17:08.29 | Shirik | oh, I know, it's a pdf |
| 17:12.16 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/5b5f3e2af078b3200ac60ea495d2280b.jpg |
| 17:12.21 | Shirik | the second part is |
| 17:12.35 | Shirik | (b) For your choice of !co and A, nd hR(t), the impulse response of the lter with frequency response |
| 17:12.35 | Shirik | HR(j!). |
| 17:12.40 | Shirik | uh, wtf did it do to those symbols |
| 17:13.09 | Shirik | (b) For your choice of omega co and A, find HR(t), the impulse response of the filter with frequency response HR(j omega) |
| 17:13.13 | JoshBorke | hey, i remember taht shit! not that i have any idea how to do it |
| 17:13.27 | JoshBorke | that was 4 years ago :-( |
| 17:13.33 | Shirik | hehe |
| 17:13.41 | JoshBorke | and i barely got a C :-P |
| 17:13.49 | Shirik | what class was that for? |
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| 17:13.56 | JoshBorke | DSP |
| 17:14.04 | Shirik | ah, I'm taking that next semester |
| 17:14.18 | LegoLars | Hiho! Some german here? |
| 17:14.28 | JoshBorke | no, not really LegoLars |
| 17:14.37 | LegoLars | hmm, okay :) |
| 17:14.37 | JoshBorke | english is the predominant language |
| 17:14.52 | Cide | yeah, I don't think I can help you with that one, sorry :P |
| 17:14.56 | LegoLars | ya, but german is much easier for me |
| 17:15.05 | sag_ich_nicht | ~stab LegoLars |
| 17:15.05 | purl | ACTION runs at LegoLars with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 17:15.06 | Shirik | hi sag_ich_nicht! |
| 17:15.09 | sag_ich_nicht | HAI |
| 17:15.15 | sag_ich_nicht | i refuse to speak german. learn english. |
| 17:15.26 | Shirik | Oh wow, I didn't expect that to come from you |
| 17:15.47 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik that is because I always do the unexpected! |
| 17:15.53 | JoshBorke | not really |
| 17:15.57 | JoshBorke | i expected that from you sag |
| 17:16.03 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik: like your mom |
| 17:16.10 | Shirik | oh snap |
| 17:16.33 | JoshBorke | A obviously equals 1 |
| 17:16.36 | JoshBorke | >< |
| 17:16.43 | Shirik | waith |
| 17:16.46 | Shirik | which one |
| 17:16.52 | JoshBorke | part a |
| 17:17.01 | Shirik | I actually solved it already, I was just giving Cide crap :P |
| 17:17.08 | LegoLars | someone able to help me? I want to create a Sync Channel for my WoW AddOn, but i don't know how :( |
| 17:17.21 | JoshBorke | LegoLars: why not use the SendAddonMessage API? |
| 17:17.47 | Shirik | oh yeah, I got 1 |
| 17:17.51 | Shirik | 2 pi / 2 pi |
| 17:18.09 | Shirik | wait, no I didn't |
| 17:18.13 | Shirik | wrong question |
| 17:18.17 | Shirik | I got .001 :/ |
| 17:18.34 | LegoLars | hmm, thank you JoshBorke i gonna try this ... |
| 17:19.11 | Shirik | Because the foldover frequency is 100pi, so 2pi/Ts must be greater than or equal to 200pi, thus Ts<= 1/100 = A |
| 17:19.17 | Shirik | wait, that doesn't make sense either |
| 17:19.22 | Shirik | blah |
| 17:20.21 | Shirik | I think I might have written it wrong |
| 17:20.34 | Shirik | yeah... |
| 17:20.36 | Shirik | it's .01 |
| 17:23.14 | Shirik | good man |
| 17:23.27 | Shirik | You have now entered the wonderful world of intelligent programming |
| 17:23.53 | Shirik | oh wow today's saturday |
| 17:24.05 | cncfanatics | meh, I'm really feeling like not using it actualy |
| 17:24.30 | Shirik | The coolest thing I like is memory leak detection |
| 17:24.56 | cncfanatics | it looks nice |
| 17:25.05 | cncfanatics | but I won't be able to use it half the time |
| 17:25.17 | Shirik | And I have never found a better debugger for multithreaded programming |
| 17:25.36 | cncfanatics | I just removed all my programming tools |
| 17:25.40 | cncfanatics | and now I'm wondering what ones to install :p |
| 17:25.42 | Shirik | and it catches so many wierd things that would normally go unnoticed |
| 17:25.47 | Shirik | lke here |
| 17:26.13 | Shirik | int main() { int foo[100]; foo[100]=3; } |
| 17:26.15 | Shirik | this is illegal, right? |
| 17:26.26 | Shirik | it'll work most likely without crashing |
| 17:26.27 | Shirik | but it's a problem |
| 17:26.43 | cncfanatics | why is it actualy illegal ? :o |
| 17:26.59 | Shirik | because I'm going outside of the bounds of the memory I allocated |
| 17:27.05 | Shirik | keep in mind arrays are 0-based indexes |
| 17:27.08 | cncfanatics | ah yea |
| 17:27.11 | Shirik | so I have slots 0-99 |
| 17:27.13 | cncfanatics | too used to lua 1 based indexes |
| 17:27.28 | cncfanatics | could cause weird memory issues in other programs/variables ? |
| 17:27.40 | LegoLars | okay, thank you for your help, I'm out bye bye ;) |
| 17:28.27 | Shirik | right cncfanatics |
| 17:28.35 | Shirik | but most debuggers will watch it go by unchecked |
| 17:28.42 | Shirik | because your program likely is allowed to use that memory |
| 17:28.47 | Shirik | so it won't rash |
| 17:29.01 | Shirik | but when compiled in debug mode, visual studio is intelligent: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/89f49a42959b9a1aa9046c945ded2be7.jpg |
| 17:29.19 | cncfanatics | a microsoft product can't possibly be intelligent :s |
| 17:29.21 | cncfanatics | I can't believe you |
| 17:29.46 | cncfanatics | btw Shirik |
| 17:29.48 | cncfanatics | if I have a program |
| 17:29.53 | cncfanatics | that consists of 4 files |
| 17:30.08 | cncfanatics | if I copy/paste the content of all 4 files into one fail, and then compile that big file |
| 17:30.12 | cncfanatics | the result is bigger |
| 17:30.17 | cncfanatics | then if I compile the 4 files and then link them |
| 17:30.19 | cncfanatics | why ? |
| 17:30.26 | cncfanatics | (about 10 times as bigger here, 40kb vs 400kb) |
| 17:30.56 | cogwheel | overhead |
| 17:30.56 | Shirik | probably some strange debugging symbols thing |
| 17:31.13 | Shirik | in release mode I doubt that would happen, with all the optimizations, etc. |
| 17:31.13 | cncfanatics | same compiler, same IDE, same options |
| 17:31.23 | cogwheel | yes but each file has to duplicate certain things |
| 17:31.37 | cogwheel | imagine if it were a zip instead... |
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| 17:31.48 | cncfanatics | no no, the 4 files is smaller then the 1file version |
| 17:31.52 | cogwheel | o |
| 17:31.55 | cncfanatics | if 1file was smaller it'd make sense |
| 17:32.51 | Cide | Shirik: screw you :/ |
| 17:32.55 | cncfanatics | so, linux programmers, how do you code in c++ ? :p |
| 17:32.58 | Shirik | ^_^ |
| 17:33.26 | Shirik | cncfanatics: also, when doing windows programming, you have some assistance |
| 17:33.33 | Shirik | because visual studio knows the details of windows |
| 17:33.37 | Shirik | it can provide extra debugging details |
| 17:34.06 | cncfanatics | I'll most likely try to code cross-platform |
| 17:35.32 | cncfanatics | bah, screw cross-platform for now, can't install my linux again till next week anyway |
| 17:36.03 | cncfanatics | VC++ inc :p |
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| 17:38.18 | cogwheel | well if you stick to standard C++ and cross platform libraries you won't have to do much work to port your programs |
| 17:39.15 | cncfanatics | true enough |
| 17:39.21 | cogwheel | it's not like VC++ is some weird dialect that no one uses :P |
| 17:39.22 | cncfanatics | except for the WinMain stuff |
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| 17:39.35 | Shirik | WinMain is old |
| 17:39.42 | zenzelezz | cncfanatics: that's not because of VC++, that's Windows, period |
| 17:39.45 | cogwheel | well gui apps are going to be pretty platform specific no matter what you do |
| 17:40.01 | Shirik | well, I guess not, depends on what kind of app you're making |
| 17:40.21 | cogwheel | yeah, there are some xplatform gui libs |
| 17:40.38 | Shirik | eh, that wasn't at you cogwheel, that was at my statement :) |
| 17:40.44 | zenzelezz | you can use GTK if you feel like it, or wxWidgets, or Qt, ... |
| 17:40.50 | cogwheel | oh heh |
| 17:41.31 | Fisker- | i am going to destroy you cogwheel |
| 17:41.36 | Shirik | why T_T |
| 17:41.38 | cogwheel | kk |
| 17:41.47 | cogwheel | lemme know how that goes :P |
| 17:42.30 | cncfanatics | I just need to create one window |
| 17:42.36 | cncfanatics | not THAT much specific code |
| 17:42.46 | cncfanatics | the window creation and a part of the keyboard handling code |
| 17:42.59 | zenzelezz | use a dialog |
| 17:43.08 | zenzelezz | DialogBox(), and the system handles the keyboard stuff |
| 17:43.36 | cogwheel | cncfanatics: what's your ultimate goal for this window? |
| 17:43.53 | cncfanatics | ultimate goal ? |
| 17:43.56 | cncfanatics | a tower-defense type game |
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| 17:44.42 | cogwheel | using your own 2d gfx? |
| 17:44.51 | cncfanatics | think so |
| 17:45.18 | zenzelezz | I found a game once, RTS, that used MFC x.x |
| 17:45.41 | cncfanatics | I might do some pseudo-3d (ala red alert 2) |
| 17:45.43 | cogwheel | cncfanatics: http://www.pixeltoaster.com/about/ |
| 17:46.14 | cncfanatics | why would I not use opengl ? |
| 17:46.21 | cncfanatics | one less thing I won't have to learn later on :p |
| 17:46.33 | cogwheel | because it's a hell of a lot to learn just for 2d gfx |
| 17:46.50 | cncfanatics | might do some pseudo 3d ala red alert |
| 17:46.51 | cogwheel | esp if you're new to c |
| 17:47.05 | zenzelezz | ah, if you're using OpenGL then you might as well create the window yourself |
| 17:47.40 | zenzelezz | IIRC NeHe should teach you anything you need to know about getting a Windows window for OpenGL running |
| 17:48.01 | cncfanatics | yea, I used those tutos |
| 17:48.09 | cncfanatics | but his way of using globals for the windows is a bit messy |
| 17:48.42 | zenzelezz | yeah, but once you understand what he's doing your can clean the code to your liking |
| 17:49.30 | cncfanatics | true |
| 17:49.45 | cncfanatics | which is prolly what I'll do soonish after VC++ is finished downloading |
| 17:49.52 | cncfanatics | btw, is there any clean way to handle keyboard with C ? |
| 17:50.03 | cogwheel | has nothing to do with C |
| 17:50.07 | cogwheel | it's the libraries you use |
| 17:50.13 | zenzelezz | now if I could only figure out why MS made the help viewer ("MS Document Explorer") suck so badly. Can't find any way at all to make it ignore freaking MFC or WinCE (etc.) results, or even just default to plain Win32 results |
| 17:50.18 | cogwheel | at least for direct input |
| 17:50.24 | robertbh | Quick questions, whats the global variable and or function that I can use to match up with the sourceName param of COMBAT_LOG_EVENT to make sure that the value is the player? |
| 17:50.28 | cogwheel | (not DirectInput(R)) |
| 17:50.38 | cncfanatics | I misfmormulated my question |
| 17:50.50 | cncfanatics | sec |
| 17:51.26 | cncfanatics | windows.h defines constants like VK_ESCAPE and company, where can I find a list of those ? |
| 17:51.40 | cncfanatics | using the actual ID's for a lot of keys because I don't know the constant name is anoying :p |
| 17:53.20 | cogwheel | i think you need to spend some time reading |
| 17:53.22 | cogwheel | :P |
| 17:53.37 | Wobin | Kirkburn|sleep, happy birthday! |
| 17:54.00 | cncfanatics | I do |
| 17:54.13 | cncfanatics | I have one of those fancy 1000+ page books |
| 17:54.57 | robertbh | C++ doesn't use VK_ key events does it? I thought that was only Java |
| 17:55.16 | cogwheel | it's not C++ |
| 17:55.18 | Gotai | robertbh: Be more specific. Do you want to check if sourceName is you, or do you want to check if sourceName is a player and not an NPC? |
| 17:55.25 | cogwheel | it's the libraries |
| 17:55.30 | cogwheel | (in this case the windows api) |
| 17:55.31 | robertbh | if sourceName is me |
| 17:55.34 | Gotai | First case is easy, simply compaure sourceName to UnitName("player") |
| 17:55.54 | robertbh | ah, thanks |
| 17:56.08 | robertbh | sorry, thought it was c++ from the windows.h comment |
| 17:56.17 | cogwheel | well yeah... C++ is the language |
| 17:57.08 | cogwheel | the language doesn't say anything about keyboard input. that's all in the api |
| 17:57.55 | cogwheel | which is exactly what windows.h defines. |
| 18:01.50 | Wobin | http://a1055.g.akamai.net/f/1055/1401/5h/images.barnesandnoble.com/images/14200000/14206567.JPG |
| 18:02.00 | Wobin | Bill Cosby needs to understand the importance of commas |
| 18:02.32 | Wobin | or at least market his books to the Japanese hentai market |
| 18:05.47 | Alexanderyoshi | robertbh: CombatLog_Object_IsA(sourceFlags, 0x1) |
| 18:06.50 | robertbh | allready got it working with gotai's suggestion |
| 18:06.53 | robertbh | already* |
| 18:07.00 | Alexanderyoshi | yes but |
| 18:07.13 | Alexanderyoshi | your code won't work if someone make a pet with the player's name |
| 18:07.24 | Gotai | Good |
| 18:07.31 | Gotai | Those people should die horribly anyway |
| 18:07.52 | Alexanderyoshi | So you want those people to be able to break your addon by using their pet? |
| 18:08.54 | robertbh | so would i just replace if(arg4==UnitName("player")) with if(arg4==CombatLog_Object_IsA(sourceFlags, 0x1))? |
| 18:09.02 | Alexanderyoshi | no |
| 18:09.06 | Fisker- | fucking win Wobin |
| 18:09.40 | robertbh | explain how to fix the problem i have? |
| 18:09.40 | Alexanderyoshi | if ( CombatLog_Object_IsA(arg5, COMBATLOG_OBJECT_MINE) ) |
| 18:09.45 | Alexanderyoshi | w/e |
| 18:09.48 | Alexanderyoshi | you'll figure it out on your own |
| 18:09.50 | Alexanderyoshi | read the wiki |
| 18:10.01 | Alexanderyoshi | http://www.wowwiki.com/COMBAT_LOG_EVENT |
| 18:10.27 | robertbh | oh thats how that thing works, i spent like half an hour trying the method |
| 18:10.48 | robertbh | thanks |
| 18:10.58 | Alexanderyoshi | sure |
| 18:11.01 | Alexanderyoshi | bit flags are the win |
| 18:11.34 | nevcairiel | not in lua |
| 18:12.30 | nevcairiel | the usage of those bit.* funcs is so weird :P |
| 18:14.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Is there any advantage to using the CombatLog_Object_IsA() vs. just calling the bit.* functions on your own? |
| 18:15.54 | cncfanatics | if blizz ever changes it |
| 18:15.59 | cncfanatics | you won't have to update your code |
| 18:16.08 | cncfanatics | with the later |
| 18:16.13 | cncfanatics | former* |
| 18:16.46 | Alexanderyoshi | readability |
| 18:16.50 | ScytheBlade1 | That's assuming that they don't change COMBATLOG_OBJECT_MINE too :) |
| 18:17.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, fair enough. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything |
| 18:17.13 | Cide | imo |
| 18:17.28 | Cide | go for function my_isa(...) return CombatLog_Object_IsA(...) end |
| 18:17.41 | Cide | it's the best solution. |
| 18:19.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Meh. I'd just as soon call the bit.* myself |
| 18:19.17 | Cide | I can't say I was serious |
| 18:19.25 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 18:19.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Sorry |
| 18:19.27 | robertbh | i keep getting the error ..\FrameXML\Constants.lua line 164: |
| 18:19.27 | robertbh | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.38 | Cide | but I do have my own wrapper for it (which wraps bit.band and not .._IsA) |
| 18:19.58 | cncfanatics | 4 GB of bandwidth are enough to install linux aren't they ? |
| 18:20.01 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm only using it in a few limited number of places, no need to wrap it |
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| 18:34.00 | Xinhuan | a = count and count > 1 and count or nil |
| 18:34.05 | Xinhuan | who wants to try to simplify that hehe |
| 18:34.13 | Xinhuan | i.e if count is nil or 1, assign nil |
| 18:34.16 | Xinhuan | else assign count |
| 18:34.20 | robertbh | found it, arg5==0x0511 for you |
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| 18:35.57 | purl | shirik|afk <i=skullsho@conspiracy/developer/Shirik> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 1d 16h 46m 12s ago, saying: 'then why were they so concerned about life tap nerfs?'. |
| 18:36.32 | Kirkburn|sleep | Thanks WobWorking :P |
| 18:36.50 | robertbh | xinhuan: that looks like the shortest your going to get in lua, you could spread it over several lines with if and else statements to make it easier to read. |
| 18:37.49 | Xinhuan | either way it'll look ugly ;p |
| 18:39.14 | robertbh | if(count==nil or count==1) then a=nil else a=count end |
| 18:39.34 | robertbh | not ugly at all, if you format it right |
| 18:40.18 | Xinhuan | hmm i wonder which is faster ;d |
| 18:40.56 | robertbh | the difference would be negligible |
| 18:41.02 | nevcairiel | a if generally, because you dont have a unnecessary assignment |
| 18:41.27 | nevcairiel | or wait, i misread something :P |
| 18:41.38 | Xinhuan | a = count and count > 1 and count or nil |
| 18:41.39 | Xinhuan | vs |
| 18:41.42 | Xinhuan | if(count==nil or count==1) then a=nil else a=count end |
| 18:41.58 | nevcairiel | i would go with the first, looks better :p |
| 18:42.01 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 18:42.14 | nevcairiel | plus the second does something else, logically |
| 18:42.17 | Xinhuan | i would assume the first case involves no "jumps" |
| 18:42.43 | Xinhuan | but even short circuit evaluation has jumps |
| 18:42.45 | Xinhuan | oh well |
| 18:42.50 | Kaso | that count and count >1 and count or nil one makes my ambiguity meter explode, i want some brackets in that :< |
| 18:43.05 | nevcairiel | if count and count > 1 then a = count else a = nil end |
| 18:43.23 | Xinhuan | haha |
| 18:43.43 | Xinhuan | not really that different |
| 18:44.11 | nevcairiel | that looks like your original, with some words in between :p |
| 18:44.54 | Kaso | i wish lua used the C ternary operator syntax rather than the strange and or stuff |
| 18:45.24 | nevcairiel | or use a = (count or 1) > 1 and count or nil |
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| 18:45.55 | nevcairiel | could probably save the or nil |
| 18:46.11 | Xinhuan | i need the return value to be "nil" and not "false" hehe |
| 18:46.12 | robertbh | kaso: i agree, not being able to use != is bugging the crap out of me, took me 20 min to figure out to use ~= |
| 18:46.13 | nevcairiel | lua> return (count or 1) > 1 and count |
| 18:46.13 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: false |
| 18:46.19 | Xinhuan | otherwise my savedvars will be full of "false" |
| 18:46.20 | nevcairiel | oh well |
| 18:46.25 | nevcairiel | then add the or nil :P |
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| 18:50.44 | Kaso | robertbh, for some reason that doesnt bother me so much, i guess the old "welcome to lua where ! is ~ and 0 is true" thing is ingrained in me, but the fact that ternary op uses the same syntax as logical expressions, leads to crazy things like var and var2 or var3 and "blue" or "yellow" being wierdly ambiguous |
| 18:51.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Is anyone else here OCD about their guild bank to the point where they spend hours reorganizing it every week or so? |
| 18:51.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Or am I alone in this? |
| 18:51.26 | robertbh | 0 == true? oh wow |
| 18:51.34 | Kaso | well not quite |
| 18:52.00 | Kaso | var = 0; if (var) ==true if(var==true) == false |
| 18:52.43 | nevcairiel | yeah its not C :P |
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| 18:52.57 | nevcairiel | only nil and false evaluate to false |
| 18:53.49 | nevcairiel | Kaso: you know the worst thing about those half-assed ternary attempts, you cannot use false in the middle of it <.< |
| 18:53.59 | nevcairiel | lua> true and false or 1 |
| 18:53.59 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 1 |
| 18:54.01 | nevcairiel | like that |
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| 19:18.29 | Tuller | I'm either bored or tired, have not figured out which :P |
| 19:20.15 | robertbh | anyone know of a good resource/tutorial for how to use ace to properly hook a toolbar to add a line? |
| 19:21.00 | robertbh | tooltip* |
| 19:26.09 | nevcairiel | Tuller: most of the time, being bored ends in being tired |
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| 19:43.49 | kd3 | duman; which is why I tried to stuff as much condescension in my posts as I could |
| 19:46.37 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: hahaha, link? |
| 19:46.57 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6136456166&sid=1 |
| 19:48.07 | ScytheBlade1 | haha. stupid people are stupid. |
| 19:48.15 | kd3 | WTF! http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/4937/wowscrnshot042608144427fb0.jpg |
| 19:48.31 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6136456480&sid=1 |
| 19:48.41 | ScytheBlade1 | o_0 |
| 19:49.46 | kd3 | and lmao... that was quick. the PTR thread just got deleted |
| 19:49.55 | widgertick | O_o |
| 19:53.51 | lagger | whats a free program thats good for burning files |
| 19:55.48 | haste | cdburner xp pro? |
| 20:03.39 | cogwheel | imgburn |
| 20:04.01 | cogwheel | handles burning, ripping to isos, etc. |
| 20:34.15 | Industrial | anyone know a site with good free wallpapers which isnt deviantart or random-windows-wallpaper-site-with-windows-logos-on-everything? |
| 20:41.28 | Nechckn | Ok... Currently use EquipCompare to tell which stats an item is better/worse than what is currently equipped... someone suggested at one point that there is another that is more accurate and takes into account all the various attributes, since EqC misses some things... Any ideas? |
| 20:41.51 | Industrial | hmm, hdwallpapers.net |
| 20:42.36 | Gotai | Nechckn: RatingBuster adds rating/stat differences to the tooltip, that what you're looking for? |
| 20:43.28 | Nechckn | oh.. my bad.. I use that too... sorry! but someone said there was a different addon that was a bit more precise |
| 20:43.35 | Nechckn | damn... I'm getting old, sorry |
| 20:44.33 | Nechckn | but yes, that is the sort of thing I'm looking for- supposedly there was a "better" one around |
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| 20:47.01 | Nechckn | More to the point, that it takes into account your expertise, gems, and other things that RB does not. |
| 20:47.31 | Gotai | Can't you tell RB to use gems? |
| 20:47.37 | Gotai | Like with enchants |
| 20:47.42 | nevcairiel | RB uses all stats |
| 20:47.49 | nevcairiel | you can tell it to ignore gems |
| 20:47.52 | nevcairiel | for raw-compare |
| 20:47.54 | nevcairiel | if you want |
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| 20:50.30 | Nechckn | I'll dig some more, have used RB forever but damn... someone was extoling the virtues of another =) Thanks all |
| 20:51.05 | Gotai | Try /rb win - easier than digging through the slash command. |
| 20:52.07 | Gotai | If gems are ignored, you can enable them under Stat Summary -> Ignore Settings. |
| 20:52.38 | Gotai | Never heard of another mod like this to tell you the truth. Then again, I'm still happy with RB, so haven't exactly been paying attention to it :) |
| 20:52.41 | Nechckn | yeah.. I got that one- it's the expertise for computing dps and stuff like that |
| 20:53.24 | Nechckn | I'm in your boat- never even thought about it but there was a conversation in one of the channels a few days back and now I can't find it |
| 20:53.48 | Nechckn | It's all good though, RB's been good to me |
| 20:54.03 | Gotai | Sounds a bit like DrDamage meets RB. Would be sweet :) |
| 20:54.28 | Nechckn | yeah, hence why it perked my interest ehheheh |
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| 21:03.38 | Kaso | Also, just ask, dont ask to ask :> |
| 21:03.48 | Abby-Off | :P |
| 21:04.13 | Abby-Off | I'm working on an addon called healer buttons which adds buttons to party frames to cast certain spells on them |
| 21:04.34 | Abby-Off | but what i cant figure out is how is the button linked to the specific party member |
| 21:05.14 | Kaso | secure action buttons have attributes you set to them, one of those can be their "target" |
| 21:05.30 | Abby-Off | aha thats what i tought |
| 21:05.37 | Abby-Off | and yet i still cant figure it out :S |
| 21:06.14 | Kaso | lemme find a link for you |
| 21:06.39 | Kaso | http://www.wowwiki.com/Secure_frames_overview |
| 21:06.44 | Abby-Off | yes i have been reading that |
| 21:07.00 | Kaso | well its the myButton:SetAttribute("unit", UnitId) stuff that does the target |
| 21:08.10 | Abby-Off | but when search trough the code |
| 21:08.22 | Abby-Off | to find where it does its targeting by searching for unit |
| 21:08.26 | Abby-Off | i come up empty |
| 21:09.00 | Kaso | hmm |
| 21:09.15 | Kaso | its possible the buttons could be set in macro text mode |
| 21:09.53 | Abby-Off | so that would mean it uses /target correct? |
| 21:10.57 | Kaso | or it could use /cast [taget=] |
| 21:11.06 | Gotai | Erm, did you check the XML as well? Perhaps the author has specified the values there. |
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| 21:11.23 | Abby-Off | woops |
| 21:11.32 | Kaso | <Kaso> or it could use /cast [taget=] |
| 21:11.32 | Kaso | <Gotai> Erm, did you check the XML as well? Perhaps the author has specified the values there. |
| 21:11.42 | Kaso | Gotai has a point there |
| 21:12.50 | Abby-Off | aaaah |
| 21:12.53 | Abby-Off | let me guess :P |
| 21:12.54 | Abby-Off | <attribute name="unit" value="party4" /> |
| 21:13.00 | Kaso | bingo |
| 21:13.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 21:13.33 | Abby-Off | aha how would that work for raid? |
| 21:13.42 | Abby-Off | i had replaced party with raid but that doesnt seem to work |
| 21:13.51 | ScytheBlade1 | <attribute name="unit" value="raid21" /> |
| 21:14.06 | Abby-Off | i see |
| 21:14.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Keep in mind that raid IDs don't match with group setups |
| 21:14.26 | ScytheBlade1 | raid6 is not the first person in the second group |
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| 21:14.49 | Abby-Off | so |
| 21:14.55 | Abby-Off | 21 = group 2 person 1? |
| 21:14.58 | Kaso | no |
| 21:15.12 | Kaso | the raid ids are random in respect to groups and people |
| 21:15.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Could be! In fact it just means that it was the 21s person to join the raid group |
| 21:15.23 | ScytheBlade1 | It has no correlation to group position *at all* |
| 21:15.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Also: what Kaso said ;) |
| 21:15.30 | Abby-Off | Owww |
| 21:15.38 | Abby-Off | that makes it allot more complicated.. |
| 21:16.04 | Kaso | you can alter the value in lua, and then scan through the raid to find the right unitid |
| 21:16.13 | ScytheBlade1 | If someone drops group mid-fight, the raid IDs shift down, and the secure frames can't re-design themselves to compensate |
| 21:17.21 | Kaso | didnt they give some leeway with people leaving during fight? ive not done much with unit frames but im sure i remeber reading that |
| 21:17.32 | ScytheBlade1 | No, but as they are in your group |
| 21:17.43 | ScytheBlade1 | <attribute name="unit" value="Sbo" /> |
| 21:17.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Is also valid |
| 21:18.01 | ScytheBlade1 | So instead of basing them around raid IDs you base them around unit names of the players |
| 21:18.14 | Abby-Off | mmm oke thats an option |
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| 21:18.45 | Abby-Off | but i would have to get the name of that player |
| 21:18.49 | ScytheBlade1 | (Anyone who can correct me, feel free to do so :)) |
| 21:18.50 | Shirik | <attribute name="Sbo" value="0" /> |
| 21:19.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Abby-Off: yup, you'd have to. for i = 1, 40 do tinsert(table, UnitName("raid"..i)) end |
| 21:19.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Just loop through the raid IDs and dump the names in a table. |
| 21:21.54 | Abby-Off | Is it possible to get the name of the player by the frame that the button is bound to? |
| 21:23.13 | Shirik | uh |
| 21:23.17 | Shirik | frame:GetAttribute"unit" ? |
| 21:23.32 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 21:24.44 | Kaso | that syntax that allows function calls with string arg to not have the brackets irrates me, it just looks wrong |
| 21:25.07 | MentalPower | frame:SetBackdrop{backdrop} :P |
| 21:25.21 | foxlit | MP: that's even worse |
| 21:25.27 | MentalPower | its quite useful for require "bit" |
| 21:25.27 | foxlit | since you can't do anything useful with it |
| 21:25.38 | MentalPower | foxlit: I use it all the time |
| 21:25.43 | Shirik | I do too |
| 21:25.48 | Shirik | Did with RDX too |
| 21:25.55 | Shirik | VFL.RegisterModule{blah blah blah} |
| 21:25.56 | foxlit | {} creates an outer table, thouogh |
| 21:26.06 | foxlit | SetBackdrop requires a specific table |
| 21:26.16 | foxlit | What you pass it is {[1]=backdrop} |
| 21:26.23 | Shirik | Kaso, For the record, in real code I never do that :) |
| 21:26.23 | MentalPower | foxlit: you're nitpicking, I used a shortcut |
| 21:27.01 | foxlit | which had the unfortunate consequence of also being valid and useless |
| 21:27.14 | MentalPower | if you want to be pendantic: frame:SetBackdrop{backdrop definition goes here} |
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| 21:36.17 | Abby-Off | kaso do you know where i can find some information on how frame:GetAttribute("unit") works? |
| 21:36.42 | Shirik | wowwiki.com/Widget_API |
| 21:37.04 | Kaso | http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API might have some |
| 21:37.09 | Kaso | argh, |
| 21:37.15 | Shirik | victory! |
| 21:37.25 | Iriel | Abby-Off: What do you want to know about it? |
| 21:37.49 | Abby-Off | well, im trying to understand how the first part works frame |
| 21:38.00 | Abby-Off | i have the name of the frame in a local |
| 21:38.21 | Iriel | Well, attributes are just named properties tied to a frame (with some rules about when they can be updated) |
| 21:38.32 | Iriel | and SetAttribute is a method name, on a frame |
| 21:38.49 | Iriel | if you have a frame NAME in a local, you need to resolve that to the frame itself |
| 21:39.02 | Iriel | You can use _G[frameName] or getglobal(frameName) for that |
| 21:39.04 | Abby-Off | yes thats would i tought |
| 21:39.06 | Abby-Off | aaaah |
| 21:39.18 | Iriel | so you could do: local unit = _G[frameName]:GetAttribute("unit") |
| 21:39.22 | Iriel | or if you're more paranoid |
| 21:39.23 | Abby-Off | so i suddenly understand how those buttons work ;) |
| 21:40.12 | Iriel | you'd check _G[frameName] was a table first |
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| 21:41.47 | clad|away | what are anyone's thoughts on the Nokia N95? |
| 21:43.17 | Kaso | Dont buy one off ebay, most of them on there are fake |
| 21:43.30 | cladhaire | yeah i certainly wouldn't do that |
| 21:43.44 | Kaso | thats the only thoughts i have im afraid. |
| 21:43.53 | ScytheBlade1 | "Why not? I can't roll play as a child molester?" |
| 21:43.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Ahh, customer service forums |
| 21:44.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Without you my life would be dull indeed |
| 21:44.15 | Abby-Off | aaah |
| 21:44.19 | Abby-Off | great it works perfectly |
| 21:45.07 | Abby-Off | how do i set this in lua <attribute name="unit" value="raid1" /> its all thats left to be done (i hope :P) |
| 21:45.26 | Iriel | frame:SetAttribute("unit", "raid1") |
| 21:45.26 | ScytheBlade1 | frame:SetAttribute("unit", "raid1") |
| 21:45.40 | Iriel | note that if the frame is secure then you need to do that out of combat |
| 21:45.59 | Iriel | note also that WoW automatically uses the "unit" attribute of secure frames if they have mouse focus as the "mouseover" unit. |
| 21:46.08 | Abby-Off | yup function isnt executed during combat |
| 21:46.43 | Iriel | cladhaire: My only opinion is that their flash product site is useless at telling you anything worthwhile |
| 21:46.52 | cladhaire | agreed |
| 21:48.15 | Iriel | I lost my nokia religion some time ago too |
| 21:48.19 | Iriel | but that's just pers |
| 21:48.29 | Iriel | personal emotion, nothing 'technical' |
| 21:48.44 | Zootfizzle | The accelerometer seems cool, no keyboard would be a big turnoff for me, Clad |
| 21:48.45 | Iriel | I just felt they lost their way in terms of UI design and feature cleanliness |
| 21:48.51 | cladhaire | i'm used to not having a keyboard |
| 21:48.57 | cladhaire | looking for a skype compatible phone |
| 21:48.59 | cladhaire | that's the killer |
| 21:49.08 | cladhaire | so i can call and receive from my parents and everyone else in the US |
| 21:49.13 | cladhaire | without needing to be at my computer |
| 21:49.16 | Zootfizzle | Ahh |
| 21:49.22 | Zootfizzle | I like my TyTN II |
| 21:49.27 | Zootfizzle | It supports Skype but I never use it |
| 21:49.27 | cladhaire | the wifi on n95 was a plus |
| 21:49.30 | zenzelezz | workmate has an N95 and really likes it. Don't really know much more about them |
| 21:50.17 | Abby-Off | oke my last question for the day it aint very important doh |
| 21:50.18 | cladhaire | oh and the GPS |
| 21:50.29 | Zootfizzle | TyTN II has GPS and WiFi |
| 21:50.36 | Abby-Off | how come the buttons stay on screen when i press alt z? |
| 21:50.48 | cladhaire | Zootfizzle: whats a TyTN ii? |
| 21:50.59 | Zootfizzle | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tytn_2 |
| 21:51.04 | cladhaire | thanks. |
| 21:51.07 | Zootfizzle | NP! |
| 21:51.23 | Zootfizzle | It's got a larger profile than the Nokia N95, so if you're looking for a slim phone, I wouldn't go with it |
| 21:51.33 | Iriel | Abby-Off: You probably set their parent to WorldFrame or nil, instead of UIParent |
| 21:51.39 | cladhaire | i'd also have to buy it :P |
| 21:51.45 | zenzelezz | the HTC is the Windows one? |
| 21:52.17 | cladhaire | anyone use Fring? |
| 21:52.24 | Abby-Off | if its not defined its always nil? |
| 21:52.56 | Iriel | not defined is the same as nil (it means 'parent is the screen') |
| 21:55.20 | Abby-Off | yup it works |
| 21:55.24 | Abby-Off | you guys rock! |
| 21:56.11 | Abby-Off | Thanks allot! Now i can goto sleep in peace ^^ |
| 21:56.19 | Shirik | don't use goto! |
| 21:56.33 | Abby-Off | bye and nightie night |
| 21:56.34 | zenzelezz | long_jmp sleep |
| 21:56.38 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ Shirik |
| 21:56.50 | Abby-Off | long_jmp |
| 21:56.51 | Abby-Off | nah |
| 21:56.59 | Abby-Off | EB01 |
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| 21:57.36 | Abby-Off | i like short jumps ;) |
| 21:58.23 | Tuller | now operation question: http://s3.amazonaws.com/sbkt/pictures/7598/sage.jpg |
| 21:58.37 | zenzelezz | if I hadn't forgotten most of assembly I'd try to make a joke about rep noop, but I suspect that command might not work |
| 21:59.15 | Tuller | does that player frame look horrible to people? :P |
| 21:59.28 | zenzelezz | not to my taste at least |
| 21:59.30 | JoshBorke | Tuller: yes |
| 21:59.41 | JoshBorke | interesting concept, but fugly imo |
| 21:59.41 | Tuller | JoshBorke: why? :) |
| 21:59.56 | JoshBorke | i can't handle vertical elements, mostly |
| 22:00.06 | JoshBorke | also teh colors are hideous imo |
| 22:00.24 | Tuller | colors are simply class + mana colors + complements |
| 22:01.42 | mikma | Tuller: what the heck is that? |
| 22:01.52 | mikma | looks like dinosaurus puked on sage |
| 22:02.14 | JoshBorke | lol mikma |
| 22:02.18 | Tuller | what I'm trying to determine is how to make the important stuff more visual :P |
| 22:02.58 | mikma | big flashy popups |
| 22:03.16 | Tuller | lies |
| 22:03.25 | Corrodias | brighter colors |
| 22:03.40 | Corrodias | less olive green, more bright blue |
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| 22:04.02 | Corrodias | putting space between important things and less important things |
| 22:04.06 | zenzelezz | I'd just place a frame covering the entire screen, on top of everything, and make it less transparent the less health/mana the character has |
| 22:04.15 | Corrodias | flashing if it's something that needs urgent attention |
| 22:05.40 | Tuller | well first is to determine what is important |
| 22:05.49 | Tuller | I like a visual thing for hp amounts for healing + debuffs |
| 22:06.05 | Tuller | hence why sage currently does green -> red + debuff coloring |
| 22:06.28 | kd3 | lmao at the PTR... alliance side on PvE there's more twinks than 70s |
| 22:07.20 | Tuller | zenzelezz: I've thought about that for the player frame before |
| 22:07.27 | mikma | Tuller: i know, look how cladhaire does it in PR ;) |
| 22:07.31 | Tuller | in this case though, I'm thinking about player + party |
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| 22:08.02 | zenzelezz | Tuller: I was joking, but I was referring to a frame that would entirely cover everything ;) |
| 22:08.21 | Tuller | zenzelezz: and I was thinking about the hp/mana thing |
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| 22:08.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Ohh, I just noticed a new event in 2.4.2. LEVEL_GRANT_PROPOSED. |
| 22:08.56 | zenzelezz | think I've seen something around that already does that (fading) |
| 22:09.11 | Tuller | the blizzard ui? :) |
| 22:09.14 | zenzelezz | ScytheBlade1: any idea what it does/when it fires? |
| 22:09.24 | ScytheBlade1 | zenzelezz: shows the LEVEL_GRANT_PROPOSED static popup |
| 22:09.40 | zenzelezz | Tuller: no, that just flashes red around it IIRC |
| 22:09.55 | Tuller | yeah well it would use that |
| 22:09.57 | zenzelezz | ScytheBlade1: tells me nothing >.< |
| 22:10.19 | ScytheBlade1 | LEVEL_GRANT = "%s wishes to grant you one level"; -- Refer a friend level granting |
| 22:10.24 | ScytheBlade1 | That should tell you more :) |
| 22:10.28 | Vangual | a good bet would be that it fires when the new refer-a-friend function to grant you one or more level is used |
| 22:10.57 | zenzelezz | hm, I must have missed that feature announcement |
| 22:11.07 | Vangual | it wasn't announced really |
| 22:11.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Hasn't been announced, yeah |
| 22:11.24 | Vangual | it's just all over the globalstrings |
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| 22:11.51 | zenzelezz | ur mom is all over the globalstrings zomg |
| 22:12.03 | zenzelezz | (first and last your-mom you'll see me make) |
| 22:12.10 | Vangual | hehe |
| 22:14.13 | Tuller | hrm so |
| 22:14.48 | Tuller | <player (red if aggro, blue if resting, class color)> + pvp/raid icon + leader/ml icon |
| 22:15.02 | Tuller | hp bar, red text if aggro (class colored) + complement background probably |
| 22:15.16 | Tuller | background behind player name of debuff or something |
| 22:15.33 | Tuller | actually negative, four color debuff thing on side a la dogtag |
| 22:15.52 | Tuller | then bottom = "this guy lacks thingy" "this guy has a soulstone" |
| 22:16.12 | Tuller | + castbars and pets |
| 22:16.13 | ScytheBlade1 | "thingy" |
| 22:16.14 | ScytheBlade1 | I like |
| 22:16.46 | cladhaire | Iriel: Zootfizzle: I'm interested in this: http://europe.nokia.com/A4344227 |
| 22:17.35 | cladhaire | considering i can get it for £20.00 |
| 22:17.38 | cladhaire | a month |
| 22:19.03 | cladhaire | even with £5.99 a month for insurance, that's not bad |
| 22:21.11 | cladhaire | quad band + wifi == sexy |
| 22:22.04 | leethal | nevcairiel: calling off the raid. someone talked. |
| 22:22.11 | nevcairiel | damnit! |
| 22:22.13 | nevcairiel | who? |
| 22:22.18 | leethal | I.. I don't k now. |
| 22:22.46 | leethal | my cat has been acting weird today though.. |
| 22:22.52 | AnduinLothar | what's quadband? |
| 22:23.03 | AnduinLothar | is that like 3G? |
| 22:23.03 | cladhaire | it operates on four different frequencies |
| 22:23.06 | nevcairiel | triband + 1 |
| 22:23.54 | nevcairiel | quad band only means it supports 4 different frequencies, like supporting europe, US, asia .. and whatnot |
| 22:24.03 | AnduinLothar | yeah i figured |
| 22:24.05 | mikma | cladhaire: lulz |
| 22:24.09 | leethal | jupiter? |
| 22:24.09 | AnduinLothar | it's not faster i assume |
| 22:24.15 | AnduinLothar | or more bandwidth |
| 22:24.17 | cladhaire | no, it just means the phone works in more places. |
| 22:24.20 | AnduinLothar | kk |
| 22:24.39 | AnduinLothar | useful for you UK people. not so useful for a US person who never travels |
| 22:24.39 | leethal | and it means it's more expensive, and cooler to have than a tri-band phone, which means you need to have it. |
| 22:24.57 | cladhaire | leethal: or, i need a quad band phone in order to make sure i have service everywhere |
| 22:24.58 | cladhaire | nublet. |
| 22:24.59 | mikma | cladhaire: get N95 while at it ;D |
| 22:25.07 | cladhaire | mikma: N95 is much more expensive |
| 22:25.12 | mikma | cladhaire: oh, or, Nokia N810 Internet Tablet <3 <3 <3 |
| 22:25.16 | cladhaire | well |
| 22:25.20 | cladhaire | i'd be terminating my vodafone contract |
| 22:25.24 | cladhaire | which will cost me £250 |
| 22:25.27 | zenzelezz | quad band means Europeans can import from the US, exploiting the horribly low dollar to euro rate |
| 22:25.39 | cladhaire | so i need to drop costs for the next year in order to justify it. |
| 22:25.58 | leethal | cladhaire: ooh I'm so cool, I travel everywhere, ooh, ooh. I'll go play the grand piano, ooh ooh. |
| 22:26.06 | AnduinLothar | on the plus side. increasing US exports = good |
| 22:26.14 | cladhaire | my grand piano is fucking crystal |
| 22:26.18 | cladhaire | don't talk shit about it |
| 22:27.18 | AnduinLothar | the crystal cathedral is mostly glass and steel. |
| 22:27.28 | AnduinLothar | and their organ and pianos are wood |
| 22:27.55 | AnduinLothar | if there were good acustic crystal pianos.... they would have one |
| 22:28.16 | AnduinLothar | that's my logic and i'm sticking to it |
| 22:28.45 | nevcairiel | maybe they ran out of money half way through |
| 22:29.16 | AnduinLothar | they're not gonna run outa money |
| 22:29.24 | AnduinLothar | the congregation is huge |
| 22:29.56 | cladhaire | is anyone here good at drawing |
| 22:30.01 | cladhaire | or even just enjoy it? |
| 22:30.06 | cladhaire | i'd like to commission a drawing |
| 22:30.12 | Xinhuan | anybody on the 2.4.2 ptr? |
| 22:30.13 | leethal | I'd love to se a crystal grand piano. After all, the pressure of the strings is just 30 tons |
| 22:30.43 | Xinhuan | i'll just like to know if i have to recopy my character for it, or the ones in 2.4.0 still available? |
| 22:30.52 | kd3 | nope. chars got wiped |
| 22:31.03 | Xinhuan | ok... recopying then |
| 22:31.33 | leethal | the frame could be made of love, though. Love can handle 30 tons with no problems at all. |
| 22:38.11 | zenzelezz | 30 tons, that's a lot of love |
| 22:38.33 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan: my 2.4.0 chars are still there, apparently =P |
| 22:38.40 | nevcairiel | at least they show on login screen ;) |
| 22:39.05 | Xinhuan | hmm mine doesn't |
| 22:39.10 | Xinhuan | i just checked after patching |
| 22:39.20 | Xinhuan | must be some EU thing |
| 22:40.36 | nevcairiel | or rather |
| 22:40.40 | nevcairiel | all chars i copied |
| 22:40.43 | nevcairiel | but never renamed |
| 22:40.47 | nevcairiel | are still there |
| 22:40.56 | nevcairiel | all chars with invalid names |
| 22:41.00 | nevcairiel | like Nevca34934 |
| 22:41.04 | nevcairiel | Nevcairiel! |
| 22:41.05 | nevcairiel | etc |
| 22:41.20 | Legorol | Xinhuan: i'm in EU too and my 2.4.0 chars are there |
| 22:41.36 | Legorol | same for me, the ones i have never renamed |
| 22:41.43 | Legorol | it must be in an intermediate cache or something |
| 22:42.02 | Xinhuan | bah, the US servers maintenance ppl must like to torture themselves |
| 22:42.12 | Legorol | lol, why? |
| 22:42.33 | Xinhuan | they went to the extra effort of wiping chars + having to recopy + server stress |
| 22:42.57 | ScytheBlade1 | I somehow doubt that an entire ~200 people are going to cause notable server stress |
| 22:43.01 | ScytheBlade1 | But that's just me |
| 22:43.33 | Xinhuan | i think 10000 people or so copying their characters will cause some stress ;p |
| 22:43.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Sure, but there are less than 50 alliance on at once ;) |
| 22:44.00 | nevcairiel | its a boring ptr |
| 22:44.17 | Xinhuan | wonder when next major patch is |
| 22:44.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Wrath! |
| 22:44.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Actually I've got no idea, they may surprise us |
| 22:44.45 | Xinhuan | i somehow don't think they will have no major patches until december |
| 22:44.54 | kd3 | they said there were no plans for a 2.5, but that can change if wrath gets delayed |
| 22:45.10 | Xinhuan | "no plans for 2.5" was said more than a year ago |
| 22:45.16 | Xinhuan | and they never ever repeated this since |
| 22:45.24 | ScytheBlade1 | And we haven't had any further word either way |
| 22:45.32 | nevcairiel | they should just focus on wrath now |
| 22:45.43 | nevcairiel | and give us a closed beta for addon authors |
| 22:46.03 | Adys | Where do I signup to be an addon author?! |
| 22:46.18 | Xinhuan | it'll be like last time, 100 beta keys per wow addon site or something |
| 22:46.46 | Cide | it wasn't like that last time |
| 22:46.55 | Cide | wowi got unlimited keys basically |
| 22:47.00 | nevcairiel | WoWI got as many keys as they needed for authors :) |
| 22:47.04 | nevcairiel | damn you cide |
| 22:47.13 | Xinhuan | heh i didn't know it was unlimited |
| 22:47.23 | kd3 | oh wow... there's a lv19 WSG going on right now on the PTR. impressive |
| 22:47.23 | nevcairiel | special deal :p |
| 22:47.32 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 22:47.39 | nevcairiel | people are crazy on ptr |
| 22:48.29 | Xinhuan | so i have 2 choices: don't update addons until 2.4.2, then patch my addons to work and upload them.... or write if-then-else code segments with GetBuildInfo() now |
| 22:48.52 | nevcairiel | whats so special about 2.4.2 and addon stuff? |
| 22:49.05 | Xinhuan | they changed a number of global strings |
| 22:49.15 | Xinhuan | which current addons use |
| 22:49.44 | Xinhuan | 100+ of them or so |
| 22:50.24 | Xinhuan | so 1 or 2 of my addons will get affected, as the globals will no longer exist in 2.4.2 |
| 22:50.35 | Xinhuan | with new(renamed) globals taking their replace |
| 22:50.39 | Xinhuan | place* |
| 22:50.48 | nevcairiel | so just do a "a or b" kinda thing :P |
| 22:51.04 | Xinhuan | its not that simple, the strings themselves changed |
| 22:51.13 | Xinhuan | like from "copper" to "%d copper" |
| 22:51.23 | Cide | then you can just do: a or "%d "..b |
| 22:51.34 | Xinhuan | T_T |
| 22:51.38 | Cide | or (a and "%d "..a or b) |
| 22:51.44 | Xinhuan | but that only works in enUS |
| 22:51.56 | Xinhuan | the change is different per locale |
| 22:52.07 | nevcairiel | screw other languages :) |
| 22:52.09 | Zeksie | meh. i use a few of those. |
| 22:52.17 | Xinhuan | chinese could be %dcopper for eg, without the space |
| 22:52.27 | Xinhuan | and of course, the chinese word for copper |
| 22:52.28 | Adys | By the way any linux user from the BC betas around ? |
| 22:52.30 | Cide | so if you used a string that said copper, you surely don't need "%d" |
| 22:52.41 | Adys | I wonder how well bc worked under wine back then |
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| 22:52.49 | Cide | so you can just do a or b:sub(3) |
| 22:53.11 | Xinhuan | that assumes the %d is in the same spot, in the first 3 letters |
| 22:53.40 | Cide | true. |
| 22:53.41 | Xinhuan | in any case, it boils down to the same point... dont' change anything now until 2.4.2, or patch code to make it work in either now |
| 22:53.44 | Xinhuan | ;p |
| 22:53.52 | Cide | or qq |
| 22:54.46 | Kaso | or code for now, and then code again for 2.4.2 ? |
| 22:55.04 | nevcairiel | yeah dont be lazy! |
| 22:55.21 | Xinhuan | who's lazy now :) |
| 22:55.34 | Kaso | well it seems that coding to make it work for both would be more total work than doing two revisions |
| 22:55.44 | nevcairiel | i'm not lazy, i am terribly busy :P |
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| 22:58.05 | Nechckn | IRT expanding upon the greatness that is RatingBuster... I think that EquipEval may be what those other folks were talking about. Seems to add a bit to the given info... if anyone else is interested, that is. =) |
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| 23:03.55 | dylanm | Nechckn: IRT? |
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| 23:04.16 | zenzelezz | in regards to, I would guess |
| 23:04.18 | Nechckn | in regards to |
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| 23:05.10 | Nechckn | was asking earlier if anyone knew which mod took into account a few more things than RB since someone had been talking about it- but I could not remember which one ;-) |
| 23:05.30 | dylanm | Oh I thought it was an RB competitor. |
| 23:05.33 | dylanm | Bah. |
| 23:05.51 | Nechckn | not that one, no |
| 23:05.52 | nevcairiel | dylanm: no thats EquipEval :p |
| 23:05.57 | Nechckn | it's different |
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| 23:07.59 | Cairenn | guys - anyone that's pre-ordered the wow programming book from amazon - start watching your mail, they've started shipping |
| 23:08.30 | Yssaril | Xinhuan: gratz on making routes faster (again :P) |
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| 23:09.15 | Xinhuan | the 30% is just a rough estimation btw |
| 23:09.29 | Xinhuan | the % probably grows larger with problem size |
| 23:09.52 | Yssaril | anything helps :) btw anyway to make cross zone routes? that be sweet |
| 23:10.27 | Xinhuan | not very feasible, as i would have to translate all coords to continent level, and then figure out how to draw cross-zone lines |
| 23:10.34 | Xinhuan | on the map level that is |
| 23:10.40 | Xinhuan | too much restructuring needed |
| 23:10.53 | Yssaril | routes 2.0 maybe then? |
| 23:10.53 | Xinhuan | the coords are stored at zone-level atm |
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| 23:11.11 | Xinhuan | and trying to store continent level coords is just going to be fucked up |
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| 23:12.15 | Iriel | surely you just need to make continentX to continentY mapping |
| 23:12.24 | Yssaril | how hard is it for routes to include a new zone? |
| 23:12.35 | Xinhuan | not so easy, in order to determine if i should draw a line on the map, i need to calculate the intersection points |
| 23:12.55 | Xinhuan | this includes the case where the 2 endpoints are BOTH not in the map, but the line between them passes thru the map |
| 23:13.09 | Xinhuan | that's why the line drawing on the minimap is so complicated |
| 23:13.24 | Xinhuan | since it has to take into account the minimap shape |
| 23:14.07 | Xinhuan | then you have to do this calculation for every edge, with appropriate pruning |
| 23:14.22 | Zeksie | yeah, i don't envy you any of that :) |
| 23:14.49 | Xinhuan | it isn't just a "if inside-inside or inside-outside or outside-inside" then draw check :p |
| 23:15.16 | Xinhuan | its compare the X and Y coordinates and see if they lie in possible quadrants that can cause an intersection, blahblah |
| 23:15.34 | Yssaril | i remember when grum was first working on it and it reduced his FPS way down whenever he moved :) |
| 23:16.21 | Iriel | Xinhuan: Does the code at least do a fast check to make sure the line passes within the radius distance from the center of the minimap/ |
| 23:16.36 | Iriel | Xinhuan: Seems like you could not bother to check intersections for a fairly large number of lines that way |
| 23:16.38 | Xinhuan | yes it does that, but only if that quadrant is circle |
| 23:16.49 | Xinhuan | if the minimap quadrant is square for that corner, that check is useless |
| 23:17.13 | Xinhuan | so there's actually 2 checks, one for the maximal distance (to corner of square) |
| 23:17.17 | Iriel | not really, but you do have to increase the length of the 'radius' to be to the corner of the sqare |
| 23:17.18 | Iriel | aye |
| 23:17.18 | Xinhuan | and one for the radius |
| 23:17.30 | Xinhuan | then if it lies between, you have to calc the intersections |
| 23:17.42 | Iriel | Hm. |
| 23:18.10 | Xinhuan | its actually easier to do this for circles, than for squares |
| 23:18.21 | Xinhuan | since the equation of a circle is just one equation |
| 23:18.22 | Yssaril | its a crapton of intersect checks cause you have to do one per line id imagine and some routes have alot of lines :) |
| 23:18.23 | Iriel | I assume you mean -- check (1) -- COULD the line be within the corner radius and check (2) are both points within the circle radius. |
| 23:18.44 | Xinhuan | yep lol |
| 23:18.50 | Xinhuan | already do all of those checks |
| 23:19.27 | Xinhuan | then you need to nudge the coord slightly for certain lines to avoid division by 0 |
| 23:19.27 | Iriel | clipping is 'fun' but screws with the head.. I wrote some interesting clipping stuff ages ago for a graphics terminal with lousy fill performance. |
| 23:19.42 | Iriel | Xinhuan: That's called 'not handling the zero cases cleanly' |
| 23:20.00 | Iriel | Usually it's easier to just flip the axes, use the normal math, then flip them back |
| 23:20.35 | Iriel | quadrant sensitivity and all that fun stuff also can apply there, if you care about accuracy |
| 23:20.39 | Xinhuan | that requires writing special case code for those cases, which actually means more work/complications |
| 23:20.47 | Yssaril | Iriel: probably faster to just nudge it though :) |
| 23:20.48 | Xinhuan | and yes, quadrant sensitivity matters |
| 23:20.57 | Xinhuan | since each quadrant can be round or square! |
| 23:21.19 | Iriel | By quadrant sensitivity I mean more the radio of X:Y |
| 23:21.27 | Xinhuan | oh that |
| 23:21.27 | Iriel | often algorithms are better if that's on one side of 1 |
| 23:21.41 | Iriel | i.e. as Y gets really small the error starts to creep up, so you can flip X and Y and get a better result |
| 23:21.43 | Xinhuan | feel free to take a look at the code :) |
| 23:21.50 | Xinhuan | and see if you can find any improvement |
| 23:22.24 | Yssaril | Iriel: but if you talk about in game nodes there is some error anyways so your never 100% correct anyways :) |
| 23:24.35 | Xinhuan | http://fish.wowace.com/browse/~raw,r=69846/WowAce/trunk/Routes/Routes.lua |
| 23:24.41 | Xinhuan | function Routes:DrawMinimapLines(forceUpdate) |
| 23:24.46 | Xinhuan | is the function that draws on minimap :) |
| 23:27.20 | Yssaril | Xinhuan: the top of that file needs an update :P it sais its only available thru brnaches |
| 23:27.33 | Xinhuan | basically, there is a bounding box check, followed by a perpendicular distance check to center of minimap, and see if its between a corner and the radius, then calc possible intersection ;p |
| 23:27.44 | Yssaril | Xinhuan: btw did you add tomtom support yet? havent really been farming lately |
| 23:27.51 | Xinhuan | not quite yet |
| 23:27.59 | Xinhuan | i only handed in my final year project yesterday |
| 23:28.14 | Xinhuan | so umm, been fixing omen issues, then a couple of my other addons |
| 23:28.25 | Yssaril | woot (hope you get a good grade) |
| 23:28.38 | Iriel | How many of your nodes use the defaults? |
| 23:29.40 | Iriel | actually there's a bunch of redundant math here |
| 23:30.21 | Iriel | you define zy = cy + dx; then use cy - zy; rather than just -dx |
| 23:30.25 | Iriel | etc |
| 23:30.43 | Xinhuan | probably because zy is used somewhere else later |
| 23:30.56 | Iriel | My point isn't that you should't define zy |
| 23:31.04 | Iriel | it's that you should use -dx instead of cy - zy |
| 23:32.10 | Xinhuan | well, thats one possible optimization yuo've found hehe |
| 23:32.15 | Xinhuan | zy doesn't seem to be used anywhere else |
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| 23:33.12 | Yssaril | yea seams to be just those 3 lines :) |
| 23:33.57 | Iriel | I usually find when i've written a page of equations, once the kinks are out, going back and looking for unnecessary complexity yields a couple of simple improvements. |
| 23:34.32 | Xinhuan | take a look at TSP.lua too ;p |
| 23:34.34 | Iriel | PS: Nice comments |
| 23:34.45 | Xinhuan | http://fish.wowace.com/browse/~raw,r=71641/WowAce/trunk/Routes/TSP.lua |
| 23:37.25 | Iriel | Xinhuan: I'm curious if localizing type has any impact |
| 23:37.58 | Iriel | I can't tell how often deltable/cleartable are called |
| 23:38.03 | Xinhuan | probably of negligible impact |
| 23:38.13 | Xinhuan | since its only about 10 calls max |
| 23:38.38 | Xinhuan | but i wasn't really going to spare any possible optimization on something that takes minutes to run |
| 23:38.47 | Xinhuan | at least, not until the code becomes unreadable |
| 23:39.08 | Iriel | How many times does this yield? |
| 23:39.27 | Iriel | I would've made nonblocking a count, rather than a boolean |
| 23:39.36 | Iriel | to indicate how many 'yield opportunities' it should pass up |
| 23:40.07 | Xinhuan | the nonblocking is to allow the same exact function to be called as a normal function |
| 23:40.16 | Iriel | Yes, I understand that |
| 23:40.29 | Iriel | I'm just curious how many 'yield's happen in a normal several-minute run |
| 23:40.39 | Iriel | i.e. does it do enough work between yields? |
| 23:40.49 | Xinhuan | a few thousand plus |
| 23:40.58 | Xinhuan | it scales with problem size N |
| 23:41.07 | Iriel | Is the time-between-yields reasonable? |
| 23:41.15 | Xinhuan | for large problem sizes, yes |
| 23:41.31 | Xinhuan | for small problem sizes, it will yield too often, that's when ppl should use the non-blocking version |
| 23:41.43 | Iriel | ok, I was worried about thelarger problem sizes |
| 23:41.58 | Xinhuan | hehe Zootfizzle |
| 23:41.59 | Iriel | hard to tell without knowing the algorithm intimately if it'd yield too freuquently |
| 23:42.47 | Xinhuan | so zoot, there's a global that FriendsFrame.lua tries to read |
| 23:43.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Globals read? |
| 23:43.15 | ScytheBlade1 | This is news to me - I never know they were sentient |
| 23:43.28 | Iriel | Xinhuan: You can improve TSP:GetIntersection |
| 23:43.53 | Iriel | There's a lot of early-abort opportunities |
| 23:44.04 | Xinhuan | classFileName is that variable |
| 23:44.13 | Xinhuan | which wasn't declared local |
| 23:44.40 | Xinhuan | oh iriel? how |
| 23:44.52 | Iriel | if dx is 0 you can return at line 2 |
| 23:45.11 | Iriel | if u < 0 or u> 1 you dont have to calculate t at all |
| 23:45.42 | Iriel | if you calculate demon (which should be denom, but demon is cuter) before numer you can avoid calculating numer if demon is 0 |
| 23:45.55 | Zootfizzle | WhoList_Update? |
| 23:45.57 | Xinhuan | actually TSP:GetIntersection() isn't actually used anywhere in the whole addon ;p |
| 23:46.06 | Iriel | Handy then |
| 23:46.09 | Xinhuan | i inlined the function in SolveTSP() |
| 23:46.30 | Polarina | Xinhuan: Then you can optimise it by removing that function. |
| 23:46.32 | Iriel | yeah, well, the inlined version has the same problems |
| 23:46.38 | Zootfizzle | Oh, looks like more than one place. |
| 23:46.42 | Cide | that's not an optimization |
| 23:46.52 | Xinhuan | wholist update and GuildStatus_Update() too i think |
| 23:46.55 | Xinhuan | just search a bit |
| 23:47.18 | Zootfizzle | Yeah, found it. You won't see the fix for a while, but it's fixed. |
| 23:47.52 | Iriel | I'm curious.. is the flag-test break faster than m = #taboos; break? |
| 23:48.29 | Xinhuan | check WhoList_Update() again Zootfizzle |
| 23:48.58 | Xinhuan | oh nvm, that was fixed |
| 23:48.59 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 23:49.27 | Xinhuan | hmm, i'm not sure about that iriel |
| 23:49.38 | Xinhuan | but i dont think that works |
| 23:49.41 | Yssaril | Cide: sure it is the addon will load faster :P |
| 23:49.44 | Xinhuan | the loop counter is protected |
| 23:49.53 | Cide | Yssaril: not with regards to algorithm runtime |
| 23:49.55 | Xinhuan | and stored internally inside lua |
| 23:49.58 | Polarina | I found that ScreenshotStatus is reading a global on OnUpdate and not even using it, but I guess it doesn't matter... |
| 23:50.08 | Yssaril | cide this is true |
| 23:50.19 | Iriel | oh, yes.. ignore me 8-) |
| 23:50.38 | Iriel | too many languages 8-) |
| 23:50.43 | Xinhuan | haha |
| 23:50.54 | Polarina | 23:49 /ignore Iriel |
| 23:51.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Amazon is shipping the pre-orders already? :o |
| 23:52.05 | Yssaril | ScytheBlade1: for? |
| 23:52.15 | Iriel | Xinhuan: I'm not sure you do this often enough for it to matter, but is x ^ 2 faster than x * x |
| 23:52.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Yssaril: the wow programming book, supposedly |
| 23:52.36 | Yssaril | Iriel: x*x is faster i belive |
| 23:52.46 | Nechckn | It's likely recorded already... but, according to the Shattrath guards, the flight master is "Nutral" =) |
| 23:52.47 | Yssaril | ScytheBlade1: ahh heard about it any good? |
| 23:52.48 | Cairenn | ScytheBlade1: they are, I was just talking to the publisher |
| 23:52.49 | *** join/#wowuidev dylanm (n=dylanm@c-68-62-4-140.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) |
| 23:52.52 | Iriel | Yssaril: That's generally been my experience in other places |
| 23:53.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: haha, I should have read the confirmation e-mail amazon sent. |
| 23:53.19 | Xinhuan | if the PIL is of any indication, it just says the ^ operator is tied to C's pow() |
| 23:53.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: "The item(s) listed below will actually ship sooner than we expected [...] Estimated arrival date: 5/1/2008 - 5/5/2008 |
| 23:53.43 | Cairenn | ScytheBlade1: besides which, how often have you ever known me to lie to you? ;) |
| 23:53.45 | ScytheBlade1 | " |
| 23:53.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: it was more a statment of shock than disbelief ;) |
| 23:54.11 | Cairenn | *grin* |
| 23:54.21 | Yssaril | x*x should still be faster cause it is a simpler math construct (and you don't have to call pow()) |
| 23:54.32 | Zeksie | x * x is 8 times faster than x ^ 2 |
| 23:54.36 | Zeksie | on mine |
| 23:54.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Yssaril: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6136345998&sid=1&pageNo=2#34 <-- my post |
| 23:54.51 | Iriel | weight[u] = (((x2 - x1)*zoneW)^2 + ((y2 - y1)*zoneH)^2)^0.5 -- Calc distance between each node pair |
| 23:54.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Yssaril: in short I'm looking forward to it, and am expecting it to be good :) |
| 23:54.57 | Iriel | That line could improve, then |
| 23:55.26 | Xinhuan | by creating 2 extra locals, yep :p |
| 23:55.43 | Polarina | Zeksie: On mine, x*x is 3 times faster than x^2 |
| 23:55.50 | Zeksie | wierd difference |
| 23:55.58 | Iriel | locals are 'free' |
| 23:56.01 | Iriel | essentially |
| 23:56.07 | Zeksie | did 1mill iterations of a = b * b and a = b ^ 2 |
| 23:56.09 | Xinhuan | are you testing that in wow's lua, or your luac |
| 23:56.10 | Iriel | (yes, I know that's not strictrly true) |
| 23:56.14 | Zeksie | wow lua |
| 23:56.37 | Polarina | Zeksie: Are a and b locals or globals? |
| 23:56.43 | Zeksie | local |
| 23:57.09 | Iriel | It's probably also worth noting that # is relatively slow, if you actually know how big the thing is |
| 23:57.46 | Xinhuan | local numNodes = #nodes <-- right at the very top :D |
| 23:57.46 | Iriel | the inner-but-one loop does #taboo_data twice for each iteration |
| 23:58.14 | Iriel | in step 1 |
| 23:58.21 | Xinhuan | #taboo_data is operating on a different table every m-loop |
| 23:58.25 | Polarina | Xinhuan: Optimise and do less prunning. |
| 23:58.28 | Iriel | yes, but you still call it twice |
| 23:58.37 | Xinhuan | oh i see it now |
| 23:58.51 | Xinhuan | right |
| 23:59.01 | Iriel | (and yes, if these are the kinds of things i'm quibblinng about, it means I think the code is pretty good) |
| 23:59.12 | Xinhuan | the size of most of these taboos are about 3 to 10 btw |
| 23:59.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Whoo, debian has a luasocket package |
| 23:59.29 | Xinhuan | if its that small, is that worth optimizing? |
| 23:59.44 | Iriel | depends how often its called 8-) |
| 23:59.48 | Polarina | ScytheBlade1: And it's not World of Warcraft compatible. ;) |
| 23:59.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Polarina: sshhh |
| 23:59.59 | Zeksie | and depends if the cpu usage is during the calling or the executing |
