| 00:00.12 | art3mis | Duman: thats the show ;P |
| 00:00.19 | art3mis | bodom was great |
| 00:00.23 | art3mis | in flames not so much |
| 00:00.48 | MentalPower | cladhaire: wheres lua_bot? |
| 00:01.18 | art3mis | Sixen: #w == #warez #tz == #twilight_zone (home of all of efnets opers |
| 00:01.20 | sioraiocht | clad|away is biking home atm |
| 00:01.25 | sioraiocht | i'm sure he'll be here soon |
| 00:01.40 | MentalPower | ah, I thought you were with him, hence why I asked :) |
| 00:01.58 | MentalPower | I was trying to be all sneaky-line :P |
| 00:02.05 | sioraiocht | ahhh |
| 00:02.06 | sioraiocht | heheh no |
| 00:02.14 | sioraiocht | we don't live together, here |
| 00:02.21 | sioraiocht | not until next autumn =/ |
| 00:02.22 | Sixen | Ah. |
| 00:02.24 | art3mis | timestamp 0 was a feature they imped in 96-97 with the new server code, having a ts that reads 1969 as the channel formation date means that it was around before the ts imp and hasent ever been empty since |
| 00:02.41 | MentalPower | ah, that sucks :/ |
| 00:02.46 | MentalPower | good to know tho |
| 00:02.49 | art3mis | empty/takenover |
| 00:02.49 | sioraiocht | indeed |
| 00:03.03 | Duman | reads 1969 for anyway west of GMT ;) |
| 00:03.17 | Duman | *anyone |
| 00:03.18 | sioraiocht | MentalPower: don't get any ideas about moving in on my man, lascivious bastard =p |
| 00:03.48 | MentalPower | lol, he's cute, but too far away, you're safe for now :P |
| 00:04.10 | Duman | art: really, didn't like the IF show? damn... |
| 00:04.23 | Duman | art: you listen to their new album at all? |
| 00:04.40 | Duman | (aside from their main single.. which I actually think is one of the worse songs on the album) |
| 00:05.13 | art3mis | its alright |
| 00:05.22 | art3mis | its just not as good as i hoped |
| 00:05.30 | art3mis | "we're not even trying" ;P |
| 00:05.36 | Duman | heh |
| 00:06.02 | art3mis | these guys next to me during thhier whole show wuold occasionlly do the oen headphone scratching a beat motion of djs |
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| 00:06.06 | art3mis | it was hilarious |
| 00:06.16 | Duman | LOL |
| 00:06.46 | art3mis | and everytime the band said "are you ready for more metal?" they'll yell back NO NOW FSCK OFF!! |
| 00:07.04 | art3mis | but megadeth ruled |
| 00:07.13 | art3mis | and that alone is worth every penny of the ticket |
| 00:07.27 | art3mis | its been 15 years since ive seen them in clsh of titans |
| 00:07.31 | art3mis | clash |
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| 00:30.14 | batrick | Cairenn: I figured it out if you're curious |
| 00:30.51 | Cairenn | hey batrick - was waiting to see you active so I could ask |
| 00:30.54 | Cairenn | what was the prob? |
| 00:31.15 | batrick | apparently you need to identify with the channel even if you are on the access list before making level modifications |
| 00:31.20 | batrick | autoop is under level |
| 00:31.48 | Cairenn | ah, yeah, sorry |
| 00:31.55 | batrick | heh it's np |
| 00:32.14 | Cairenn | I wasn't in great shape when you were asking for the help |
| 00:32.25 | batrick | are you feeling better today? |
| 00:32.35 | Cairenn | yes and no |
| 00:32.45 | Cairenn | at least I can see the screen now |
| 00:33.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Ouchies, one of those :) |
| 00:33.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Go lay down |
| 00:33.40 | Cairenn | something went really wonky on me last night, I couldn't really read the screen any more, everything was fuzzy, blurry & doubled |
| 00:33.52 | Yssaril | Zootfizzle: i am pretty sure it does cause it returns the spell link that get then insterted into the chateditbox via the ChatEdit_InsertLink function (i just want the link :) ) http://yssaril.pastey.net/86485 is from the questframetemplates.xml where i found the function in the first place |
| 00:33.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Wonky indeed :( |
| 00:34.13 | Cairenn | and poor batrick asking me for help getting a channel set up |
| 00:34.17 | ScytheBlade1 | If I had known, I wouldn't have bugged you earlier |
| 00:34.29 | Cairenn | not a problem, vision is fine today :) |
| 00:34.37 | ScytheBlade1 | heh well that's a plus |
| 00:34.40 | Yssaril | Zootfizzle: sry for the slow response (had to pickup something at the store) |
| 00:34.42 | Dolby | thats called sobering up Cairenn |
| 00:34.44 | ScytheBlade1 | But vision is only one component ;) |
| 00:34.47 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ sobering up |
| 00:34.58 | batrick | i think Cairenn was celebrating 420 a little late =) |
| 00:35.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah just drink less, problem solved ;D |
| 00:35.01 | Cairenn | wondered how long it would take :p |
| 00:35.13 | Duman | lol |
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| 00:35.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Dolby: well played |
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| 00:35.39 | kd3 | lol |
| 00:35.40 | Cairenn | lol |
| 00:35.47 | Duman | haha |
| 00:35.51 | batrick | ur playin with fire there dolby |
| 00:36.00 | Dolby | hehe |
| 00:36.00 | art3mis | WHOS HOUSE?????? |
| 00:36.05 | Cairenn | I thought you had that on your censored out list, Dolby? ;) |
| 00:36.46 | art3mis | runs houssssssssseeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 00:38.33 | AbsoRayne | :| |
| 00:40.20 | Zootfizzle | Yssaril: Let me just say that you're wrong and encourage you to find another way to solve your problem =P |
| 00:40.45 | Zootfizzle | It does return a spell link, but it doesn't accept any arguments, and it's not related to the quest you have selected in the quest log =P |
| 00:40.55 | Zootfizzle | AFAIK |
| 00:41.09 | Zootfizzle | Later folks ;) |
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| 00:50.54 | Dezzimal | any idea whats causing this spam in my combatlog from recount? http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/1676/wowscrnshot042408190742wp6.jpg |
| 00:51.04 | Dezzimal | chatlog actually |
| 00:51.05 | reqol | is WWS the most accurate 'damage meter'? |
| 00:52.15 | Fisker- | It doesn't have more information than the combatlog already gives you |
| 00:52.25 | reqol | I'm trying to account for discrepancies between SWS and WWS |
| 00:52.39 | Duman | what sort of discrepancies? |
| 00:52.51 | Duman | dezz: did you kick recount into debug mode or something? |
| 00:53.52 | reqol | a guy on WWS is #2 when he wasn't even in the top 5 on SWS |
| 00:54.21 | Dezzimal | no I don't think so duman |
| 00:54.25 | Dezzimal | just updated it today |
| 00:55.01 | Dezzimal | its really only printing pets and occasionally players |
| 00:56.26 | Duman | reqol: how many people uploaded data to WWS? |
| 00:56.34 | Duman | and how many were syncing SWS? |
| 00:57.01 | Duman | (altho given the "max range" aspect of combat logs now, not sure it should matter that much any more) |
| 00:58.21 | art3mis | http://filmcow.com/youtube-charlietheunicorn2.html |
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| 01:21.17 | Shirik | yayy |
| 01:21.27 | Shirik | I got picked with shadow of death and didn't screw up |
| 01:21.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Grats! |
| 01:21.46 | Shirik | first time |
| 01:21.50 | Shirik | he has something against me picking him |
| 01:21.53 | Shirik | er |
| 01:21.54 | Shirik | him picking me |
| 01:22.01 | Shirik | I've killed him like 5 times, and finally he picks me |
| 01:22.26 | Shirik | when he does pick me, he's already dead or we're already wiping |
| 01:26.47 | Wobin_ | hm |
| 01:26.52 | Wobin_ | Hardy Heron Here I Come... |
| 01:27.05 | Wobin_ | (Hopefully) |
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| 01:35.52 | Wobin_ | why does it always get stuck on 15 of 22? |
| 01:38.23 | Yssaril | can anyone beside me confirm that GetSpellInfo does no longer accept the full spelllink? |
| 01:41.26 | Guillotine | that is correct |
| 01:41.28 | Guillotine | juts parse out the id |
| 01:42.55 | Yssaril | k was there anyreason to the the change? |
| 01:44.00 | Sixen | Did we make another guild on the PTR yet? |
| 01:44.28 | kd3 | not afaik... last time I checked there was something like 40 people on alliance-wide |
| 01:45.41 | ScytheBlade1 | If this PTR lasts more than two weeks I'll be semi-surprised |
| 01:46.00 | kd3 | that too |
| 01:47.07 | Sixen | Heh |
| 01:47.13 | Sixen | Al my names are still taken. |
| 01:47.16 | Sixen | Ohwell, :/. |
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| 02:00.55 | Yssaril | anyone know how to get the questlink from a questid? right now i am using http://yssaril.pastey.net/86489 but it dosn't work every now and then |
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| 02:08.15 | Wobin_ | hm |
| 02:10.04 | Guillotine | remember, it includes headers in the index |
| 02:10.07 | Guillotine | and they will return nothing |
| 02:14.08 | Tem | Yssaril, you can't assume that the tooltip will be filled instantly |
| 02:14.13 | Tem | that's why it doesn't always work |
| 02:15.23 | Yssaril | Tem: anyway to check when the tooltip is filled? |
| 02:15.38 | Yssaril | i mean any event that happens when its filled :) |
| 02:16.03 | art3mis | kd3 is the bana king yay! |
| 02:16.06 | art3mis | banana |
| 02:16.13 | kd3 | hm? |
| 02:16.22 | art3mis | charlie the unicorn ;P |
| 02:16.39 | art3mis | man his other movies are hilarious |
| 02:16.45 | art3mis | bloodlulst and sock puppets is awesome! |
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| 02:17.06 | art3mis | it has vampire ninjas of aesomeness and sockpuppet brigade |
| 02:17.08 | durcyn | i tried to watch one of those, then my brain melted. |
| 02:17.13 | art3mis | heh |
| 02:17.22 | art3mis | mr happy face is pretty funny too |
| 02:17.42 | art3mis | filmcow.com |
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| 02:26.12 | art3mis | <Jeebiss> <NES> I download something from Napster |
| 02:26.12 | art3mis | <Jeebiss> <NES> And the same guy I downloaded it from starts downloading it from me when I'm done |
| 02:26.12 | art3mis | <Jeebiss> <NES> I message him and say "What are you doing? I just got that from you" |
| 02:26.16 | art3mis | <Jeebiss> <NES> "getting my song back fucker" |
| 02:26.23 | art3mis | oops |
| 02:26.28 | art3mis | oh well it's still funny ;P |
| 02:26.34 | MentalPower | old bash is old |
| 02:26.40 | MentalPower | yes, still funny :) |
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| 02:27.55 | [Liq] | Liquidor is in the building... |
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| 02:33.10 | Kirov | uhg, I'm so tempted to right my own autobar, just because I hate how the current one works. |
| 02:33.41 | Xinhuan | so i see a new strreplace() in 2.4.2... is this an alias to string.gsub? |
| 02:33.55 | Xinhuan | or is it something faster |
| 02:35.10 | Kaso | do print(tostring(strreplace)) print(tostring(string.gsub)) |
| 02:35.22 | Kaso | to see if they reference the same function |
| 02:35.28 | Xinhuan | i don't have ptr downloaded yet |
| 02:35.33 | Xinhuan | or i would have done that already |
| 02:36.27 | Kaso | where are you seeing it? i cant find any reference in 0.4.2 FrameXML |
| 02:36.36 | Xinhuan | combatlogUI |
| 02:36.44 | Xinhuan | um Blizzard_combatlog rather |
| 02:36.48 | Kaso | ah |
| 02:37.22 | durcyn | no, it's a new function, and it is supposedly faster than existing stringlib |
| 02:37.33 | Guillotine | o rly? |
| 02:37.49 | Xinhuan | do you have proof of this "supposedly faster" claim? |
| 02:37.59 | durcyn | no, that's why i said supposedly |
| 02:38.15 | Drundia | it's probably just plain search&replace |
| 02:38.25 | Yssaril | durcyn: wouldn't it already be faster cause it would be a direct reference instead of a table lookup even if its jsut an alias? |
| 02:38.35 | Xinhuan | notice that they did NOT change every string_gsub into strreplace |
| 02:38.44 | MentalPower | its faster cause it does not do regex |
| 02:38.46 | Kaso | Yssaril, only minutely |
| 02:38.53 | Xinhuan | the string_gsub that got changed to plain gsub are the ones that have search patterns |
| 02:39.02 | Xinhuan | the ones that don't got changed to strreplace |
| 02:39.06 | Kaso | minuetly..? |
| 02:39.10 | Kaso | something like that |
| 02:39.12 | Xinhuan | and gsub() wasn't upvalued... |
| 02:39.15 | Drundia | entire Blizzard_CombatLog is filled with those evil upvalues to save up lookups and still they are all immune to changes....... |
| 02:39.23 | Drundia | but you know it |
| 02:39.29 | Drundia | .... |
| 02:39.39 | Drundia | since it's you who is to be blamed for upvalues |
| 02:39.44 | Drundia | or not? |
| 02:39.44 | Xinhuan | hah |
| 02:39.53 | MentalPower | Drundia: what is with you and the upvalues? |
| 02:40.13 | Drundia | i don't like upvalues in Blizzard_CombatLog |
| 02:40.17 | Xinhuan | upvalues are good for speed, but prevent hooking/modifying |
| 02:40.25 | Xinhuan | there needs to be a balance between them |
| 02:40.26 | MentalPower | what Xinhuan said |
| 02:40.51 | Drundia | i still say that either a way to modify them should be included or they should be removed altogether |
| 02:40.59 | Xinhuan | generally speaking, as a addon author, we tend to go more with upvalues, so it was a bit "over the top" and against addon modification |
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| 02:41.35 | Xinhuan | but the combatlog is something that runs potentially hundreds of times per second in a raid setting, you really need it to be fast |
| 02:41.43 | Drundia | ok, i'm even fine with upvalued constants, most of them, but not CombatLog_OnEvent, COMBATLOG and refilter limits |
| 02:41.56 | Drundia | well, Xinhuan, as i already told once |
| 02:42.04 | Xinhuan | yeah, i already mentioned to remove them |
| 02:42.13 | Drundia | for me AddMessage() in a visible frame takes 10 times longer than parsing entire event |
| 02:42.32 | Xinhuan | in an addon-less setting? |
| 02:42.41 | Drundia | yes, without upvalues Blizzard_CombatLog runs for about 30-50% more time, but it's still not 10 times |
| 02:42.47 | Drundia | uhm? addon-less setting? |
| 02:42.49 | Drundia | well |
| 02:43.04 | Xinhuan | many chat addons hook the chatlog |
| 02:43.14 | Xinhuan | those introduce extra parsing time to addmessage() |
| 02:43.31 | Drundia | my tests indicate that it has insane overhead for all ScrollingMessageFrames occurs if any visible text changes and depends on amount of that text |
| 02:43.32 | art3mis | http://www.livenation.com/artist/getArtist/artistId/13440?c=dm-455569&p=38711676 |
| 02:43.34 | Xinhuan | such as addons that hide your whispers in auto replies, etc |
| 02:44.10 | Drundia | so with 10 lines containing 10 characters it works much faster than with if we double any of these values |
| 02:44.33 | Xinhuan | so if its 10x worse, without the upvalues, it would be pretty bad for the low-end user ;p |
| 02:44.58 | Drundia | but it's not 10x worse |
| 02:45.06 | Xinhuan | never claimed its 10x worse |
| 02:45.23 | Xinhuan | but its enough to make a good fps difference of 5-10 fps on a low-end system |
| 02:45.49 | Drundia | well, the idea is that AddMessage took about 3 ms and CombatLog_OnEvent had 0.2-0.3 ms with upvalues and 0.3-0.4 ms without upvalues |
| 02:45.59 | Drundia | 3.4 compared to 3.2 isn't that much |
| 02:46.56 | Drundia | of course AddMessage() is faster when frame is smaller and almost instant when it's not visible |
| 02:47.52 | Drundia | on top of that the function could be slightly more optimized considering upvalues and locals are nearly same performance-wise |
| 02:48.09 | Xinhuan | maybe blizz should optimize scrollingframes |
| 02:48.21 | Drundia | instead of copying values from tables into locals upvalues could be created when values in those tables change |
| 02:49.08 | Drundia | yes, Iriel posted some suggestions about those ScrollingMessageFrames so they recache visible text during OnUpdate rather than on each addition |
| 02:49.49 | Drundia | Iriel, any chance that you have some news about ScrollingMessageFrames? |
| 02:50.09 | ScytheBlade1 | We got news earlier, if you read between the lines. |
| 02:50.17 | Drundia | uhm |
| 02:50.19 | Drundia | what? |
| 02:50.23 | Drundia | i fail at it :( |
| 02:50.29 | ScytheBlade1 | A fairly trivial patch that made some variables locals wasn't accepted |
| 02:50.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Because "all of that code was already rewritten" |
| 02:50.43 | Drundia | but that's different |
| 02:50.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Maybe. Maybe not. |
| 02:51.00 | Drundia | i'm talking about C code behind UI object, something we can't touch at all |
| 02:51.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Maybe, maybe not :) |
| 02:51.20 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't know anything more than was said |
| 02:51.28 | ScytheBlade1 | But that said good things to me |
| 02:51.39 | Tem | god damnit |
| 02:51.45 | Tem | why won't my goddamn ignores stick |
| 02:54.45 | MentalPower | lua> 64^2 |
| 02:54.45 | lua_bot | MentalPower: 4096 |
| 02:56.56 | Xinhuan | hmm appears most of the changes to framexml are just string changes |
| 02:58.47 | Drundia | new plural form parser |
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| 03:01.16 | Xinhuan | there already existed a plural form parser afaik |
| 03:01.22 | Xinhuan | it was |1 rather than |4 |
| 03:02.16 | Xinhuan | proof: http://www.wowwiki.com/UI_Escape_Sequences |
| 03:02.23 | Xinhuan | number |1singular;plural; |
| 03:02.28 | Xinhuan | Will choose a word depending on whether the number preceding it is 1 or not. |
| 03:03.17 | Xinhuan | i don't exactly see the difference between |1 and |4 |
| 03:03.17 | Drundia | hmm |
| 03:03.22 | Cairenn | purl, your mama |
| 03:03.23 | purl | rumour has it, your mama is so big she has to sit on 3 barstools. |
| 03:03.54 | Drundia | hmm i'll need to check it |
| 03:04.04 | Cairenn | (sorry, saw infobot pop that up in another channel, needed to verify) |
| 03:04.27 | Xinhuan | purl, your mum |
| 03:04.28 | purl | No, _your_ mum! |
| 03:04.32 | Xinhuan | purl, your mom |
| 03:04.33 | purl | somebody said your mom was spelt your mum |
| 03:04.41 | Xinhuan | purl, your mother |
| 03:04.42 | purl | Mrs. Apt is well, thank you. |
| 03:05.10 | Xinhuan | sorry, couldn't resist :D |
| 03:05.11 | MentalPower | lol |
| 03:05.19 | MentalPower | geeks, the lot of ya! |
| 03:05.42 | Cairenn | your point? |
| 03:05.53 | MentalPower | no point |
| 03:06.03 | Cairenn | MentalPower is pointless! |
| 03:06.04 | Zyuu | I take offense |
| 03:06.21 | Cairenn | I take defense! |
| 03:06.29 | Zyuu | I bet you do :o |
| 03:06.35 | Xinhuan | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Your_Mom |
| 03:06.37 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 03:11.17 | MentalPower | lua> 2^32 |
| 03:11.17 | lua_bot | MentalPower: 4294967296 |
| 03:11.27 | MentalPower | oh, that would take along time... |
| 03:12.18 | MentalPower | lua> 2^32/15 |
| 03:12.18 | lua_bot | MentalPower: 286331153.06667 |
| 03:12.56 | MentalPower | lua> 2^32/1555 |
| 03:12.57 | lua_bot | MentalPower: 2762036.8463023 |
| 03:13.25 | MentalPower | lua> 2^32/55555 |
| 03:13.25 | lua_bot | MentalPower: 77310.184429844 |
| 03:14.46 | Drundia | ok, let's test our |4 |
| 03:16.31 | Shirik | purl, yo mama |
| 03:16.32 | purl | yo mama is, like, so fat... |
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| 03:18.10 | kd3 | 2.4.2 patch notes got updated. wiki's diff of the changes is at http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Patch_2.4.2&diff=1327660&oldid=1326310 |
| 03:18.42 | Drundia | well, there seem to be some differences |
| 03:19.33 | Drundia | "|4" uses colon instead of semi-colon as delimiter and uses plural form for numbers ending with 1 (|1 uses singular for those with the exception of 11) |
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| 03:19.57 | Drundia | no, 11 isn't exception even.... |
| 03:20.47 | Xinhuan | so |1 shouldn't be used? |
| 03:21.01 | Drundia | |2 puts "de" before word if number is plural |
| 03:21.05 | Drundia | |3 disconnects |
| 03:21.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Supremus suffers 825 Fire damage from Sbo's Ignite. |
| 03:21.16 | Drundia | or just locks up..... |
| 03:21.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Supremus's melee swing hits Sbo for 15755 Physical. |
| 03:21.30 | ScytheBlade1 | You die. |
| 03:22.17 | Drundia | in theory they might be testing it for russian.... |
| 03:24.03 | Drundia | ok |3 is bad, very bad.... grrrrr |
| 03:24.21 | Drundia | |2 puts "de" before anything..... |
| 03:24.47 | Drundia | in fact it just puts "de" |
| 03:25.34 | kd3 | oh wow |
| 03:25.41 | kd3 | scare beast is now 30 yards and instant cast |
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| 03:32.48 | Drundia | |1 picks "singular" for anything ending with 0 or 1 and "plural" for anything else |
| 03:32.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Is the trial level capped at 20 or 30? |
| 03:33.01 | kd3 | 20 |
| 03:33.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm, used to be 30 some long time ago? |
| 03:33.19 | kd3 | not afaik |
| 03:33.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Could have sworn I got to ~26 before my trial ran out |
| 03:33.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah well, thanks just the same |
| 03:35.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah it must have been, because I had evocation for several lev-- |
| 03:35.48 | ScytheBlade1 | It was talented back then, never mind :) |
| 03:36.46 | Iriel | Drundia: No news, I suspect I'll know when you know if anything changes (i.e. they'll tell us or we'll just notice it) |
| 03:41.43 | Drundia | Now i'm getting confused... anyone has any idea what was "|3" supposed to be used for? |
| 03:45.57 | kd3 | lol... patch notes leaked yet another item that's not been discovered yet |
| 03:47.07 | ScytheBlade1 | ? |
| 03:54.32 | Drundia | The Magic Candle? |
| 03:54.59 | kd3 | Shifting Naaru Silver: Using this item no longer puts players into combat. |
| 03:55.25 | Drundia | well, it was in bug list i think |
| 03:55.47 | Drundia | saying that its duration is inconsistent with its tooltip or something like that |
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| 03:56.37 | cogwheel | either you completely missed the point or i did... <.< ... >.> |
| 03:56.57 | cogwheel | (and in my present *ahem* state of mind it could go either way) |
| 03:58.00 | cogwheel | ewww.... they're still warm.... |
| 03:58.30 | Iriel | fresh from the, err.. never mind |
| 03:59.06 | kd3 | mmm... Hershey's Special Dark chocolate |
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| 04:05.37 | ScytheBlade1 | What better to code an addon than while clearing trash |
| 04:06.07 | Drundia | maybe while doing newschool leeching in AV |
| 04:06.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Maybe if I wanted a ban, sure |
| 04:10.30 | Drundia | nonono, newschool leeching that people fail to report |
| 04:10.52 | Drundia | it's what 25% of people are doing anyway |
| 04:11.05 | Drundia | and 70% of people are playing that it'd be better if they'd leech |
| 04:13.53 | Iriel | Hm, interesting.. Guillermo del Toro (Pan's Labyrinth) to direct the Hobbit |
| 04:14.14 | Tem | Iriel, that should be awesome |
| 04:14.31 | Iriel | Certainly he and Peter jackson are an interesting combination |
| 04:24.12 | Shirik | anyone know Java's method signature scheme that can double-check my code real quick? |
| 04:27.32 | Guillotine | WTF is with the scare beast change? Nerf feral druids more in arena, aye? |
| 04:37.13 | Tem | Guillotine, what scare beast hange? |
| 04:37.17 | Tem | change* |
| 04:37.24 | Guillotine | Apparently it is a 30 yard range and instant cast |
| 04:37.35 | Guillotine | on PTR |
| 04:37.39 | Tem | *sigh* |
| 04:39.50 | MentalPower | Shirik: shoot |
| 04:40.15 | Shirik | Uh, I have a class FalseResult in package ltlv with a constructor that takes a String |
| 04:41.07 | Shirik | does class ltlv/FalseResult, I have this: env->GetMethodID(falseResult, "<init>", "(Ljava/lang/String;)V"); |
| 04:41.20 | Shirik | I think it's (Ljava/lang/String;)V but I'm not sure |
| 04:43.36 | MentalPower | err... that question is not what I thought it was gonna be :| |
| 04:43.42 | Shirik | haha |
| 04:43.43 | Shirik | it's ok :) |
| 04:44.13 | batrick | OYA |
| 04:44.16 | batrick | U R |
| 04:44.28 | Shirik | OYA |
| 04:44.29 | Shirik | HAI |
| 04:44.43 | Shirik | Y U DONT RESPOND TO MAI TELLS |
| 04:45.47 | Cairenn | cause he r talkin 2 me! |
| 04:45.54 | Cairenn | he no ned u! |
| 04:46.12 | Cairenn | okay, so maybe not |
| 04:46.25 | ScytheBlade1 | ... ow |
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| 04:52.49 | batrick | wtf u talkin about shirik |
| 04:52.57 | batrick | u don't respond to MAI TELLS! |
| 04:53.06 | Shirik | no |
| 04:53.09 | Shirik | u |
| 04:53.26 | Shirik | it makes me sad :( |
| 04:54.48 | kd3 | hahah... evil. (the M/W/F "Ahaha @ xkcd"'s running a little late tonight.) |
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| 05:04.22 | Crysli | Anyone know if Jarli got his following addon working? |
| 05:04.57 | Kirov | following addon? |
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| 05:05.31 | Crysli | Yeah, it was supposed to make his toon follow whoever ressurected him or something. |
| 05:05.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Apparently it wouldn't be hard at all |
| 05:05.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Which kidna scares me but hey whatever |
| 05:06.38 | Kirov | No, that's pretty easy |
| 05:06.47 | Kirov | As long as they res you close enough |
| 05:07.03 | Kirov | And that person is in your party / raid |
| 05:07.06 | ScytheBlade1 | It doesn't require any hardware event at all |
| 05:07.16 | Kirov | starting a follow, no. |
| 05:07.20 | ScytheBlade1 | So you could even argue that range is a non issue |
| 05:07.21 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah |
| 05:07.22 | Kirov | stopping a follow, yes |
| 05:07.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah, yeah |
| 05:07.33 | Iriel | Targetting them is also not easy 8-) |
| 05:07.43 | Kirov | Iriel - just needs a valid unitid |
| 05:07.55 | Kirov | even then, you can follow by name |
| 05:08.01 | Kirov | dosen't need an id |
| 05:08.04 | Iriel | Oh, of course |
| 05:08.19 | Kirov | I have a super follow addon I use when questing with my fiancee |
| 05:08.48 | Kirov | Basically will not let autofollow disengage unless told to stop, and warns the other person if they run too far away |
| 05:08.54 | Kirov | (ie: person got stuck, etc.) |
| 05:09.20 | Tem | my biggest issue with follow is flying mounts |
| 05:09.29 | Tem | it doesn't know when it needs to take off |
| 05:09.39 | Tem | so you have to run them off a cliff >< |
| 05:10.57 | Corrodias | which is just fine if they're on a flying mount |
| 05:11.08 | Corrodias | oh, wait |
| 05:11.15 | Cairenn | I think it'd be more fun if they weren't ;) |
| 05:11.19 | Corrodias | Tem 1 // Corr 0 |
| 05:11.32 | Tem | that's pretty bad, yo |
| 05:11.45 | Tem | my brain is on negative capacity thanks to the meds |
| 05:12.06 | Cairenn | ooooh, meds? anything fun? share! |
| 05:12.14 | Corrodias | i just had an intentional 2-hour nap that turned into an unintentional 5-hour nap |
| 05:12.18 | Tem | nothing fun |
| 05:12.20 | Cairenn | (the meds, not whatever it is you have) |
| 05:13.06 | Cairenn | so what's wrong Tem? |
| 05:13.17 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:13.21 | Tem | just an obnoxious cold |
| 05:13.35 | Cairenn | bleh |
| 05:14.00 | Tem | honestly, the worst part is being unable to find a comfortable way to sleep |
| 05:14.11 | Tem | no covers = very cold |
| 05:14.14 | Tem | covers = very hot |
| 05:14.25 | Crysli | then how about just one cover? =D |
| 05:14.33 | Tem | =P |
| 05:15.01 | Tem | a hot toddy is a fantastic idea |
| 05:15.04 | Tem | thanks, Cairenn |
| 05:15.14 | Tem | crap... I drank all my whiskey |
| 05:15.15 | Crysli | Oh man, I could so eat chicken noodle soup right now |
| 05:15.37 | Crysli | And considereing it's 7.15 am where I am, that's sorta weird |
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| 05:16.45 | Corrodias | well, i don't think your body cares when you eat certain types of food |
| 05:16.55 | Corrodias | i'm sure it's just as happy to eat soup in the morning |
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| 05:17.14 | Tem | Corrodias, I'm afraid that's not quite true |
| 05:18.18 | Corrodias | hmm? |
| 05:18.21 | Tem | see, your body will reject Gumbo, without fail, unless the temperature outside is below 5C |
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| 05:19.40 | Corrodias | i'm not sure whether to laugh or ask just what gumbo is (having only a vague idea) |
| 05:20.22 | Tem | sigh |
| 05:20.27 | MentalPower | !g wiki gumbo |
| 05:20.28 | batbot | MentalPower: Gumbo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gumbo> |
| 05:21.33 | Crysli | This channel has a wiki bot? That's awesome. |
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| 05:21.55 | Cairenn | Crysli: this channel has any number of bots |
| 05:22.06 | Crysli | Huh. Didn't know. |
| 05:22.14 | Cairenn | :) |
| 05:22.19 | Corrodias | hmm, gumbo sounds fabulous |
| 05:22.19 | Crysli | Guess you learn every day |
| 05:22.55 | Tem | Iriel is also a bot |
| 05:23.06 | Iriel | Tem> true |
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| 05:23.24 | Tem | ~botsnack Iriel |
| 05:23.24 | purl | Tem: :) |
| 05:23.31 | Tem | BAD PURL |
| 05:23.35 | Tem | taking Iriel's snack |
| 05:23.39 | Tem | that's not for you |
| 05:24.41 | Iriel | I think you should write an anti-bot |
| 05:24.53 | Tem | an anti-bot? |
| 05:24.56 | Iriel | it asks people random questions then harasses them constantly until they answer |
| 05:25.03 | Tem | lol awesome |
| 05:25.04 | Crysli | Rofl |
| 05:25.12 | reqol | I'm trying to create a scroll bar using a slider, and I'm failing miserably |
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| 05:25.30 | Cairenn | lol |
| 05:25.39 | Iriel | e.g. |
| 05:25.41 | Tem | reqol, pastey your code? |
| 05:25.44 | reqol | aesthetically, it just isn't coming together |
| 05:25.48 | reqol | Tem: sure, just a moment |
| 05:25.50 | Iriel | Tem> return ("hello"):sub(3,2) |
| 05:25.56 | Tem | oh, visually it's not working? |
| 05:26.01 | reqol | that's my problem, yeah |
| 05:26.11 | reqol | I have the buttons made, but can't get the actual slider texture, nor the little thing that moves up and down |
| 05:26.32 | Iriel | Tem> I'm waiting |
| 05:26.35 | Tem | Iriel, trick questions are mean |
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| 05:26.45 | Iriel | Tem> Incorrect answer |
| 05:26.48 | Tem | "" |
| 05:26.50 | Cairenn | lol |
| 05:27.02 | Iriel | Tem> temsnack |
| 05:27.07 | Tem | ASDF |
| 05:27.08 | Tem | lol |
| 05:27.12 | Cairenn | hahahah |
| 05:27.22 | Cairenn | <3 Iriel |
| 05:27.26 | Tem | rofl |
| 05:27.29 | Tem | Iriel, too funny |
| 05:27.46 | Tem | reqol, also post a screenshot |
| 05:27.54 | Iriel | Someone just needs to automate that, it'd be great |
| 05:28.12 | Tem | it wouldn't be too hard |
| 05:28.32 | Tem | in fact, you could take the "questsions" from things people ask the other bots |
| 05:28.40 | Crysli | A reverse wiki bot would be just mean |
| 05:28.43 | Cairenn | omg no, please no, we get enough bot spam as it is, rofl |
| 05:28.56 | MentalPower | could do it in PMs... |
| 05:29.06 | Tem | defeats the purpose imo |
| 05:29.06 | Cairenn | including the nagging |
| 05:29.09 | Tem | ~emulate Saien |
| 05:29.09 | purl | You are of course, wrong, and I invite you to prove it to yourself. |
| 05:29.16 | Cairenn | bye batrick |
| 05:29.19 | batrick | =( |
| 05:29.20 | reqol | http://wowi.pastey.net/86492 SS incoming |
| 05:29.28 | batrick | o |
| 05:29.32 | batrick | i thought u were gonna kick me |
| 05:29.37 | Tem | ah, XML |
| 05:29.40 | batrick | (i meant i was going to work on the nagging bot) |
| 05:29.44 | Tem | dear lord |
| 05:29.47 | Tem | l2indent |
| 05:29.54 | Cairenn | batrick: only if you beg pre ... oh! |
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| 05:30.14 | batrick | qq |
| 05:30.15 | Crysli | Hey, anyone know where I can get Hal's textures? The link at palsforlife is giving me a 404. |
| 05:30.24 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 05:30.31 | batrick | batbot: is Cairenn a meany? |
| 05:30.31 | batbot | batrick, Without a doubt. |
| 05:30.35 | Cairenn | ! |
| 05:30.36 | batrick | ^ |
| 05:30.36 | reqol | Tem: it IS indented in VS |
| 05:30.46 | Tem | reqol, it is here too |
| 05:30.49 | reqol | actually, not really |
| 05:30.52 | Tem | but only by like 1 space |
| 05:30.59 | reqol | XMLspy was so much better *weeps* |
| 05:31.01 | reqol | then my trial ran out |
| 05:31.14 | Tem | I had a cracked copy |
| 05:31.16 | reqol | http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/1676/uiproblembt1.png |
| 05:31.17 | Tem | once upon a time |
| 05:31.25 | reqol | oh |
| 05:31.31 | reqol | I COULD do that, but I don't really want to |
| 05:31.48 | reqol | morality issues...despite them being a multimillion dollar company, it still perturbs me somewhat |
| 05:32.23 | reqol | I don't think I have the right graphic, I basically want a scroll bar that looks like the blizzard ones |
| 05:32.48 | Yssaril | reqol: can u just inherit from the blizzard one? |
| 05:33.26 | reqol | FauxScrollFrame is pretty messy, I guess |
| 05:33.34 | reqol | Tem knows better than I do |
| 05:33.48 | Tem | You might be able to resuse the graphic portion, though |
| 05:33.58 | Tem | hang on, lemme have another look at that code |
| 05:35.29 | Yssaril | reqol: inherit from "UIPanelScrollBarTemplate" |
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| 05:36.51 | reqol | okay, I'll give that a try. thanks |
| 05:36.55 | Yssaril | only reason i know is cause i am working on a new treeviewwidget for AceGUI :) |
| 05:37.02 | reqol | awesome! |
| 05:37.04 | ScytheBlade1 | You know, it took me a long time to get enough knowledge about how things work with the WoW UI |
| 05:37.13 | Yssaril | trees are a pain imo though |
| 05:37.19 | ScytheBlade1 | But now that I know what I do know, I've gotta say, there are worse things to program with |
| 05:37.29 | Tem | like asp.net? |
| 05:37.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Haha, probably |
| 05:37.58 | Tem | you may want to change the OnClick scripts for the ScrollUpButton and ScrollDownButton so that they don't assume your slider's min/max values |
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| 05:38.55 | Tem | I prefer to set the slider's range to [0,(listSize - visible - 1)] |
| 05:39.02 | reqol | Tem: I haven't even bothered to write that portion yet, I'm basically just trying to get the look down, heh ;_; |
| 05:39.13 | Tem | heh |
| 05:39.26 | MentalPower | range is required |
| 05:39.32 | MentalPower | even if its 0-1 |
| 05:40.39 | Tem | MentalPower, the default iis [0,height], I think |
| 05:40.48 | Tem | (that could be completely wrong) |
| 05:40.55 | reqol | I inherite "UIPanelScrollBarTemplate" and there is no graphic |
| 05:40.59 | Tem | right |
| 05:41.01 | reqol | s/inherite/inherited/ |
| 05:41.02 | Tem | it doesn't have one |
| 05:41.19 | Tem | OH, you want the background stuff like in the TradeskillFrame? |
| 05:41.24 | reqol | yes |
| 05:41.47 | Tem | Look in UIPanelTemplates.xml |
| 05:41.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Note to self: frames don't exist until they are created |
| 05:41.55 | Tem | look for UIPanelScrollFrameTemplate2 |
| 05:42.39 | Tem | reqol, you'll need to add an artwork layer to your slider similar to the one on that template |
| 05:44.36 | Yssaril | reqol: whats your addon gonna do anyways? |
| 05:45.35 | reqol | Yssaril: a bunch of useless stuff nobody needs |
| 05:45.51 | Yssaril | rofl |
| 05:46.04 | Cairenn | reqol: it'll be immensely popular then |
| 05:46.17 | Cairenn | just look at 3/4 of the compilations out there |
| 05:46.36 | Cairenn | errr, was that out loud? |
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| 05:46.47 | reqol | Cairenn: I know! why waste time coding useful addons when you can make novelty stuff! :D |
| 05:46.53 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 05:47.04 | ScytheBlade1 | >_> |
| 05:47.05 | ScytheBlade1 | <_< |
| 05:47.07 | Cairenn | meh, novelty stuff has its place :) |
| 05:47.27 | reqol | I agree, some of my favorite stuff could be labeled novelty |
| 05:48.13 | Cairenn | of course! :) |
| 05:49.10 | reqol | can I remove the <size> tags on the texture and have it conform to its parent via anchors? |
| 05:51.33 | reqol | well, that didn't work too well |
| 05:52.39 | Tem | reqol, those textures are that size |
| 05:52.45 | Tem | I don't reccomend changing it |
| 05:52.57 | Tem | they way they work, they overlap in the center |
| 05:53.19 | Tem | so, you anchor the top one to the top, and the bottom one to the bottom |
| 05:53.46 | Tem | and as long as they aren't too far apart, they appear to be one texture |
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| 05:56.09 | Crysli | Bbl guys |
| 05:56.21 | Cairenn | bye |
| 05:56.27 | reqol | Tem: okay, then I'm just doing something wrong. I'll fiddle with it some more |
| 06:00.23 | reqol | what are TexCoords, exactly? |
| 06:00.57 | sag_ich_nicht | ~cogwheel++ |
| 06:01.07 | Iriel | http://www.wowwiki.com/SetTexCoord_Transformations |
| 06:02.27 | reqol | thanks, Iriel! |
| 06:02.31 | sag_ich_nicht | cogwheel: i just stole some code from TBags-Shefki to fix a tainting issue in engbags, i wouldn't have known about it if you hadn't told me about TBag :P |
| 06:02.47 | Iriel | Hopefully you wont wish you hadn't asked once you read it 8-) |
| 06:02.55 | reqol | Iriel: too late |
| 06:03.21 | sag_ich_nicht | woho no more driving me insane hooking \o/ |
| 06:03.42 | sag_ich_nicht | s/hooking/hooking that taints everything/ |
| 06:04.04 | ScytheBlade1 | All table assignments are by ref, right? |
| 06:04.06 | Iriel | reqol: Stop at the end of 'An Analogy' and you may survive |
| 06:04.10 | Iriel | ScytheBlade1: Yes |
| 06:04.24 | ScytheBlade1 | I can return a table from a function and modify the "original" copy given the return? |
| 06:04.36 | Iriel | ScytheBlade1: All lua assignments except for number and boolean (and nil, if you want to be pedantic) are by ref |
| 06:04.59 | ScytheBlade1 | heh @ nil |
| 06:05.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Why not number and bool? |
| 06:05.23 | Iriel | because they are values and not pointers |
| 06:05.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm. I would have thought that strings would be in the same category |
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| 06:06.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Err |
| 06:06.09 | ScytheBlade1 | haha, right |
| 06:06.09 | Iriel | strings are pointers into the global string table |
| 06:06.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Never mind! |
| 06:06.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Good to know, thanks Iriel :) |
| 06:06.56 | ScytheBlade1 | That also makes designing this little bit, a lot easier |
| 06:06.56 | reqol | sigh...I can't seem to get this texture to work the way I want it to |
| 06:07.17 | kd3 | bah. need to scrounge up some dream vision elixirs on the PTR. want to go explore naxx to see if heigan's been fixed |
| 06:07.48 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: I actually transfered with ~30 |
| 06:07.52 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: sec to login |
| 06:08.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Near IronforgE? |
| 06:08.25 | ScytheBlade1 | *Ironforge |
| 06:08.37 | kd3 | will be in 10s |
| 06:09.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Enjoy em' |
| 06:09.51 | kd3 | much appreciated |
| 06:10.25 | kd3 | hm... go to the isle and fly down or fly up from IF? |
| 06:10.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Fly up, one-shot |
| 06:11.16 | reqol | http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/5116/uiproblemrw4.png http://wowi.pastey.net/86493 |
| 06:11.20 | ScytheBlade1 | lol, people in trade asking for arena teams |
| 06:11.25 | kd3 | oh, while I'm thinking about it. you mind if I invite you to a raid? |
| 06:11.26 | kd3 | ya, lol |
| 06:11.28 | ScytheBlade1 | (on the PTR) |
| 06:11.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Sure |
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| 06:21.01 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 06:21.10 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3 just attacked Mr. Bigglesworth and lost |
| 06:22.41 | kd3 | gah. dreamvision won't let me through noth's gate |
| 06:23.41 | ScytheBlade1 | That's depressing |
| 06:24.55 | kd3 | weirder, the frostwrym lair teleport model is active, port the teleport itself isn't... |
| 06:25.40 | Fisker- | i haven't heard of no fancy door code kd3 |
| 06:25.40 | ScytheBlade1 | That the same as live? |
| 06:25.53 | kd3 | about 5 feet off the ground. ss in a sec |
| 06:26.01 | ScytheBlade1 | haha nice |
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| 06:28.29 | durcyn | it wouldn't be a patch if it didn't break something in naxxramas |
| 06:28.29 | kd3 | http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/6765/frostwyrmteleportqd8.jpg |
| 06:29.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh, nice |
| 06:30.16 | Drundia | obviously it slowly flies "back" to northrend, but due to technical issues and heavy weight it doesn't stay exactly the same |
| 06:31.07 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6136244964&sid=1 |
| 06:32.03 | reqol | okay, I'm absolutely stumped. I don't know what I have to do to get this texture to fit |
| 06:33.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Enjoy the raid group ;) |
| 06:33.14 | reqol | http://wowi.pastey.net/86493 I've tried using an offset so that it goes to where the button fits, but that didn't work |
| 06:33.17 | kd3 | thanks |
| 06:33.23 | ScytheBlade1 | np |
| 06:33.26 | Tem | kd3, so, do we have any confirmation on the Theramore teleport spell? |
| 06:33.43 | reqol | this is what it looks like: http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/5116/uiproblemrw4.png |
| 06:33.47 | kd3 | yup. |
| 06:33.53 | kd3 | I've been porting to theramore all day |
| 06:33.57 | Tem | well, that's AWESOME |
| 06:34.06 | Tem | I have this to say, however |
| 06:34.21 | Tem | WTF BLIZZ UR TOO YEARS LAET |
| 06:34.26 | kd3 | info's on the wiki too: http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_2.4.2/Undocumented_changes |
| 06:34.27 | kd3 | indeed |
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| 06:36.59 | AbsoRayne | If anyone cares to join me, raise your hands in the air, I didnt fuck up tanking the flames on Illidan tonight \o/ |
| 06:37.02 | reqol | welcome back, Crysli |
| 06:37.04 | Drundia | it's probably there to help people get to onyxia/karazhan/dark portal |
| 06:37.13 | Crysli | thanks, reqol |
| 06:37.24 | batrick | oi shirik |
| 06:37.27 | batrick | wtf r u |
| 06:37.31 | kd3 | part of me thinks that's where the alliance boat to northrend's going to depart from |
| 06:37.39 | Tem | wtf, Drundia |
| 06:37.50 | Tem | quit hacking my irc cliet so I can see your text |
| 06:38.03 | Tem | ignore drewndia*!*@* CHAN |
| 06:38.06 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:38.23 | Drundia | ~fail Tem |
| 06:38.24 | purl | Tem: FAIL! |
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| 06:54.48 | Fisker- | kd3 |
| 06:55.01 | kd3 | hm? |
| 06:55.09 | Fisker- | convince your blizzard friends to make the consortium dude have a chance for epics as well :o |
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| 06:57.37 | reqol | slider texture: 4383298 me: 0 |
| 07:00.26 | AnduinLothar | anyone know how to use the binary inversion char ~ in bash? |
| 07:02.44 | Elkano | hmm... maybe ^? |
| 07:03.15 | Wobin_ | =( |
| 07:03.19 | Wobin_ | Wine likes me not |
| 07:03.22 | AnduinLothar | pretty sure ~ is it, but i dunno how to use it |
| 07:04.08 | AnduinLothar | ^ is a bitwise exclusive or |
| 07:05.57 | Elkano | rty !~ |
| 07:06.01 | Elkano | ...try |
| 07:06.18 | Elkano | -> http://www.unix.org.ua/orelly/linux/lnut/ch07_05.htm |
| 07:07.31 | AnduinLothar | cant acces that |
| 07:08.03 | widgertick | keylogger imho |
| 07:08.34 | Cairenn | lol |
| 07:09.19 | Fisker- | :o btw |
| 07:09.29 | Fisker- | my server finally survived an upgrade |
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| 07:18.46 | Guest713 | I have a quick question! |
| 07:18.52 | kd3 | ~asktoask |
| 07:18.53 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 07:18.53 | AnduinLothar | well, i guess i can do it with a trinary opperator |
| 07:19.04 | widgertick | kd3, be fair, that was a statement. |
| 07:19.11 | AnduinLothar | INV=X==1?1:0 |
| 07:19.42 | Guest713 | I hear there is an addon for WoW from cosmos that allows /equip and /unequip commands to be used |
| 07:19.46 | Guest713 | is that true? |
| 07:19.47 | AnduinLothar | er: INV=$X==0?1:0 |
| 07:20.01 | AnduinLothar | lol /equip um. maybe |
| 07:20.05 | AnduinLothar | WearMe might |
| 07:20.13 | AnduinLothar | but i honestly dont remember if i coded it |
| 07:20.39 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:21.08 | Guest713 | Do you think it could work with patch 2.3.3? |
| 07:21.09 | Guillotine | w00t! vial of the sunwell :D |
| 07:21.18 | AnduinLothar | nah, wearme doesn't have /equip |
| 07:21.26 | AnduinLothar | but i think WoW has /equip |
| 07:21.35 | AnduinLothar | u dunno about /unequip tho |
| 07:21.37 | *** topic/#WoWUIDev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 2.4.x ToC: 20400 | #WoWUIDev-commits : A place to watch active development of World of Warcraft addons. Multiple Sites' CIA & JIRA bots reporting | WoW programming book http://tinyurl.com/2gdel9 | In order to be more inclusive, we've moved to #WoWUIDev. | "Stop annoying our UI gnome" |
| 07:21.52 | Guest713 | http://wow.azzor.com/185/weapon_switching.php is the website, right at the bottom |
| 07:22.07 | AnduinLothar | copywrite 2004 |
| 07:22.33 | Guest713 | ugh |
| 07:22.35 | AnduinLothar | i'm almost positive /equip is a beuilt in wow macro |
| 07:22.48 | kd3 | ya |
| 07:22.56 | Guest713 | :0 It is too |
| 07:23.03 | Guest713 | Thanks anyway :P |
| 07:23.10 | kd3 | take a look at cogwheel's macros guide stickies in the UI & Macros forum |
| 07:23.29 | AnduinLothar | they're all nubs! |
| 07:25.38 | Corrodias | cogwheel is the master of nuubing |
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| 07:37.39 | Crysli | Am I the only one who hates the Shaman class color? |
| 07:38.11 | durcyn | yes. you are a unique and beautiful snowflake in a sea of millions. |
| 07:38.17 | [melin] | Crysli change it? |
| 07:38.52 | [melin] | it's most likely stored in a table somewhere, just edit that value =) |
| 07:39.14 | Crysli | I will. Just gota figure out what color to replace it with. |
| 07:39.49 | Kalroth | Blue. |
| 07:39.52 | Crysli | And stfu durcyn =D |
| 07:39.53 | [melin] | well.. I think most are covered for already =) |
| 07:40.44 | Crysli | Kalroth: That's Crüsli. |
| 07:41.02 | Kalroth | Close enough for me, you're a bit crusty anyways. |
| 07:41.02 | wereHamster | Crysli, RAID_CLASS_COLORS["SHAMAN"] = { r, g, b }; |
| 07:41.22 | Crysli | wereHamster: Beautiful. Thanks. |
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| 07:42.35 | kd3 | ahahaha... http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/04/25/disincentives/ |
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| 07:43.09 | Crysli | That a spoof on that Olympics game for the Wii? |
| 07:43.29 | kd3 | dunno, they haven't posted the news article for it yet |
| 07:43.30 | kd3 | probably |
| 07:44.02 | Crysli | At first I was like "wtf Wartortle" |
| 07:44.26 | kd3 | it's the blue turtle from mario kart |
| 07:44.29 | kd3 | ...hate |
| 07:44.42 | Crysli | Yeah, I figured that out after a few seconds. |
| 07:53.21 | [melin] | anyway I can catch the message I send to guildchat before it's sent..? |
| 07:53.27 | [melin] | and change the contents of it |
| 07:57.18 | reqol | [melin]: which message? |
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| 07:57.29 | [melin] | > /g Hey people! |
| 07:57.35 | reqol | [melin]: hook SendChatMessage |
| 07:57.41 | [melin] | I want my addon to catch that message before the server sees it |
| 07:58.17 | Crysli | Why? |
| 07:58.19 | [melin] | what Im after is to check if word no.1 in the message is a person in the guild and add :: after it or something |
| 07:58.25 | [melin] | << lazy bastard |
| 07:59.28 | reqol | [melin]: save the reference to SendChatMessage in another variable and override SendChatMessage, then just add a check in the body of the function |
| 07:59.35 | reqol | that's how I'd do it, there's probably a more elegant method, though. |
| 08:00.37 | [melin] | Ive never been good at hooking :( oh well.. check examples |
| 08:01.05 | reqol | sec |
| 08:01.12 | reqol | ClickInvite does this, I'll pastey it |
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| 08:02.40 | reqol | nevermind, it hooks a different function : ( |
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| 08:05.08 | reqol | could someone help me get this texture to fit? http://wowi.pastey.net/86493 it ends up like this: http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/5116/uiproblemrw4.png |
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| 08:07.44 | Triox | Anyone know off hand how close you have to be in order to initiate a duel? |
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| 08:08.30 | reqol | 9.9 yards |
| 08:08.41 | reqol | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_CheckInteractDistance |
| 08:09.09 | Triox | Thank you very much! /bow |
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| 09:08.38 | AnduinLothar | Is there some silly reason why UK math authors like to use () instead of {} and visa versa |
| 09:08.53 | AnduinLothar | like {} for cuntions and () for sequences/sets |
| 09:08.59 | AnduinLothar | functions* |
| 09:09.06 | AnduinLothar | it's backwards! |
| 09:09.16 | AnduinLothar | like using . in place of , ! |
| 09:12.40 | Kalroth | cuntions, I like that word |
| 09:13.25 | Kalroth | Math authors are weird, that's my best reply. |
| 09:14.05 | Tem | AnduinLothar, {} () don't bother me half as much as , and . do |
| 09:14.51 | reqol | are my incessant questions bothering anyone? |
| 09:15.47 | Kalroth | reqol: Was that a recursive question? |
| 09:17.53 | krka | weird, in sweden we mostly use () and [] for grouping in equations |
| 09:18.10 | Tem | (define (annoy) (annoy)) |
| 09:18.11 | reqol | Kalroth: heh, no. I just gave up on that template for a while because I couldn't figure it out, and didn't want to ask for help again in case I was bothering anyone |
| 09:18.24 | reqol | s/template/texture/ |
| 09:19.14 | Tem | reqol, it looks to me like you're missing a texcoord |
| 09:19.19 | Tem | or your anchors are wrong |
| 09:20.48 | reqol | I'd wager it's the former since my anchors seem fine, but I haven't a clue how to work texcoords. I'll take a closer look at that page iriel linked |
| 09:22.57 | Guillotine | Night all! |
| 09:23.56 | reqol | night, Guillotine : ) |
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| 09:24.54 | reqol | well, I understand what these coordinates DO, just not so much how to utilize them. |
| 09:25.02 | reqol | these numbers seem awfully arbitrary |
| 09:25.14 | Tem | reqol, it should be a matter of copying what they have in the blizzard code |
| 09:25.28 | reqol | I copied it exactly |
| 09:25.37 | reqol | maybe it has do with the anchors...hmm |
| 09:27.24 | reqol | I've got the top portion anchored to the TOP of the slider, using its own TOP point, same goes for the bottom, except using "BOTTOM" |
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| 09:30.01 | Tem | repost your xml? |
| 09:30.39 | reqol | http://wowi.pastey.net/86493 ends up like this: http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/5116/uiproblemrw4.png |
| 09:30.52 | reqol | I've been fiddling with it since then, but to no great effect |
| 09:31.29 | reqol | the higher I bottom one's height, the larger the button portion extends upwards |
| 09:40.54 | Fisker- | so mrs. kd3 |
| 09:40.58 | Fisker- | any news on those strings? :o |
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| 09:46.46 | reqol | yeah, this texture isn't worth it. I'm just going to add a little thumbtexture and forget about it |
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| 10:00.39 | reqol | so if I have a slider, the min max values should be 1, #myTable correct? that is if I am using the contents of a table |
| 10:01.39 | reqol | also, if I have a script file defined in my XML file, does it share local variables? |
| 10:02.35 | reqol | actually, it seems as though the min/max values should be dependant on how many 'pages' you have |
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| 10:17.21 | AbsoRayne | Is anyone NOT busy on WoW? |
| 10:17.35 | AbsoRayne | I have a question, and its totally random but Im trying to help my buddy |
| 10:17.57 | AbsoRayne | nm |
| 10:18.55 | zenzio | O_o |
| 10:19.03 | AbsoRayne | He emo logged |
| 10:19.08 | AbsoRayne | oh well |
| 10:20.48 | reqol | night : ) |
| 10:23.50 | Nom- | man... lacerate does some scary threat per second :) |
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| 12:41.25 | Con | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:46.30 | Jarli | oftley quite in here for some many people... |
| 12:47.31 | haste | time zones |
| 12:47.38 | Jarli | eh, even still lol |
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| 12:48.01 | Jarli | morning Bela |
| 12:48.04 | haste | and lots of lurkers ofc :3 |
| 12:49.11 | Jarli | anyone got a min to help me finish this little bit of code? |
| 12:49.26 | Jarli | cause im stumped on it, I know it works cause you folks here proved it |
| 12:50.50 | Jarli | should it be FollowUnit("arg1") or FollowUnit("..arg1") or FollowUnit(arg1) .... or something completely different lol |
| 12:51.29 | haste | and what is arg1 in this case? |
| 12:51.45 | Jarli | arg1 is defined as the caster of the res spell |
| 12:51.57 | haste | also your two first examples are just a string with "arg1" and "..arg1" as the content |
| 12:52.15 | haste | so arg1 is a unit? or a name? |
| 12:52.31 | Jarli | it should be the person who cast the rez on the dead player |
| 12:52.46 | Bela|work | morning |
| 12:52.48 | haste | that doesn't answer my question tho' |
| 12:52.57 | Jarli | it would be a name |
| 12:53.06 | Jarli | but a unit = a player |
| 12:53.18 | haste | then you can't do FollowUnit(arg1) without converting it into a unit id |
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| 12:53.35 | Bela|work | target, player, focus, etc... |
| 12:53.36 | Jarli | hmp, how would I do that? |
| 12:53.47 | Jarli | links? |
| 12:53.57 | haste | just iterate over the raid and compare the name and see if you can find it |
| 12:54.32 | Jarli | iterate does that mean scan the raid? |
| 12:54.37 | Jarli | or party |
| 12:54.41 | Bela|work | in other words you are http://www.wowwiki.com/API_TYPE_UnitId |
| 12:54.49 | Bela|work | you can use* |
| 12:54.55 | haste | damn you Bela|work! |
| 12:54.59 | haste | was just going to link that one :D |
| 12:55.02 | Bela|work | hehe |
| 12:55.52 | Jarli | * would wildcard the person that cast rez, I know it's a way to do that from other programming, but c++ is my weak note |
| 12:56.02 | Jarli | i prefer html, Vb, java.. |
| 12:56.15 | Bela|work | no |
| 12:56.17 | Jarli | so if i use the wildcard, it would be slower |
| 12:56.20 | Bela|work | I didn't mean you could use * |
| 12:56.26 | haste | html is a mark-up language |
| 12:56.35 | Bela|work | you can't use * in a unitid |
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| 12:57.10 | Jarli | hmp |
| 12:57.52 | Bela|work | because of the need to use unitid, you would be restricted to onlyunits in your raid, party, or a unit that someone in your raid or party is targetting |
| 12:57.55 | Bela|work | or focus |
| 12:57.57 | Jarli | can someone show me an example of how to search a raid or party, for the person who cast rez on x dead target? |
| 12:58.55 | Jarli | All I have currently is FollowUnit(arg1) in the code, and I know that don't work from testing |
| 12:58.57 | Bela|work | http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API#Raid_Functions |
| 12:59.11 | Bela|work | does it work at all? |
| 12:59.32 | Bela|work | try FollowUnit("target") and then run it after targetting someone... |
| 12:59.39 | wereHamster | for i=1,GetNumRaidMembers() do if UnitName("raid"..i) == yourname then --[[ "raid"..i is your unidID ]] end end |
| 12:59.42 | Jarli | i can't test it here at work |
| 12:59.47 | Jarli | i can only program |
| 12:59.51 | Jarli | dont have wow installed lol |
| 13:00.31 | Jarli | is that proper code, or just loose writing? |
| 13:01.14 | Bela|work | FollowUnit("target") |
| 13:01.15 | Bela|work | ? |
| 13:01.25 | ralfWORK | hahaha |
| 13:01.34 | ralfWORK | we still talking about this? |
| 13:01.47 | Saint-N | jarli: you could make a wowapi sandbox instead lO |
| 13:01.49 | Saint-N | ;) |
| 13:01.58 | clad|away | well |
| 13:01.59 | Jarli | it's literally about 3 minutes but i suck at code lol |
| 13:02.02 | wereHamster | isn't there already one? |
| 13:02.04 | clad|away | FollowUnit takes a name as well |
| 13:02.06 | Jarli | sandbox? |
| 13:02.08 | Saint-N | wereHamster: not updated |
| 13:02.10 | clad|away | so says the api documentation |
| 13:02.30 | Saint-N | the only one i found was 2.0 and that was the last update |
| 13:02.30 | clad|away | also allows for partial matches |
| 13:02.33 | clad|away | on page 437 |
| 13:02.37 | clad|away | :P |
| 13:02.43 | Saint-N | hah |
| 13:03.21 | Saint-N | ralfWORK: yeah but hes added "raid" to it make it seem like its not bad ;) |
| 13:03.27 | Bela|work | you sure clad|away? |
| 13:03.43 | clad|away | Bela|work: thats what the docs say FollowUnit("unit" or "name", [, strict]) |
| 13:03.49 | Bela|work | "name" is a valid unitid as long as that name is in your raid or aprty |
| 13:03.52 | Jarli | I believe I can insert a name into the FollowUnit(playername) and it would work, but that is poor coding, even for me. I'd like to get it to work for any person that cast a rez |
| 13:03.55 | Bela|work | you sure it isn't just that? |
| 13:04.03 | clad|away | i don't know |
| 13:04.15 | clad|away | *shrug* :P |
| 13:04.21 | Bela|work | we need someone to test it on a name that isn't in your raid or party |
| 13:04.25 | ralfWORK | Saint-N: ohhhh |
| 13:04.39 | clad|away | however, given you can /follow name |
| 13:04.42 | clad|away | i have to believe it works |
| 13:04.45 | clad|away | since that just uses teh api |
| 13:04.59 | ralfWORK | bwahahahahaah http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/04/25/funny-pictures-offis-assystent/ |
| 13:05.06 | Bela|work | seems bottish though |
| 13:05.14 | clad|away | Bela|work: why? |
| 13:05.19 | Bela|work | could easily use it for dual boxing |
| 13:05.22 | clad|away | yes |
| 13:05.24 | clad|away | which isn't botting |
| 13:05.26 | clad|away | and isn't against the TOS |
| 13:05.31 | clad|away | and is explicitly allowed :p |
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| 13:06.16 | Jarli | if I use the "name" as such, with quotes and just the name, that is specifing a player name |
| 13:06.29 | Bela|work | right |
| 13:06.33 | clad|away | is that a question or a statement |
| 13:06.38 | Jarli | rather then any player that might have this addon installed |
| 13:06.59 | Bela|work | its any name that is within range |
| 13:07.05 | Bela|work | obviously Follow has a range |
| 13:09.52 | Jarli | the question i have, is, what exactly do i need to put into the addon code to make the follow portion work |
| 13:09.53 | Jarli | ? |
| 13:10.21 | clad|away | we don't know? |
| 13:10.22 | Jarli | everyone here seems to have a much stronger understanding of c++ them myself |
| 13:10.27 | clad|away | because you haven't shown us any code |
| 13:10.27 | Jarli | and im stumped lol |
| 13:10.31 | clad|away | and this has nothing to do with c++ |
| 13:10.33 | Jarli | .. |
| 13:10.37 | clad|away | the code: FollowUnit("Cladhaire") |
| 13:10.41 | clad|away | will make you follow cladhaire |
| 13:10.42 | Jarli | sry Lua coding |
| 13:10.44 | clad|away | if he's within range |
| 13:10.45 | ralfWORK | C++? |
| 13:10.47 | ralfWORK | oh |
| 13:10.55 | Jarli | I've tested explicted names |
| 13:11.02 | Jarli | with just the addon |
| 13:11.03 | Jarli | one min |
| 13:11.12 | Jarli | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/86469-31re |
| 13:11.25 | Jarli | theres the orinigal and edited, respecfuly top and bottem |
| 13:11.41 | Jarli | followunit("strict player name") fails |
| 13:11.49 | Jarli | atleast by it's self |
| 13:11.58 | clad|away | no.. |
| 13:11.59 | clad|away | it doesn't. |
| 13:12.02 | clad|away | you aren't doing that |
| 13:12.07 | clad|away | your'e calling FollowUnit("arg1") |
| 13:12.12 | clad|away | and there's obviously no lpayer called arg1 |
| 13:12.16 | Jarli | I had it as my character name |
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| 13:12.21 | Bela|work | FollowUnit(arg1) |
| 13:12.26 | Bela|work | if in fact arg1 is the player name |
| 13:13.05 | Jarli | read the same line in this link, the one previous http://wowuidev.pastey.net/86466-2lhx |
| 13:13.14 | clad|away | this conversation is pointles |
| 13:13.16 | wereHamster | FollowUnit("arg1") <- "arg1" is a string, just like "fubar" |
| 13:13.22 | clad|away | unless someone is willing to go into game and test |
| 13:13.27 | Bela|work | does the name of teh resser even pass through RESURRECT_REQUEST? |
| 13:13.31 | clad|away | what we're telling you isn't wrong, no matter how much you want to believe it is :P |
| 13:13.44 | wereHamster | I doubt you can create a character named "arg1O |
| 13:13.48 | wereHamster | "arg1" |
| 13:13.55 | Bela|work | that would be hawt tho |
| 13:13.58 | Saint-N | clad|away: did yer parents use that same argument? |
| 13:14.01 | Saint-N | ~rimshot |
| 13:14.02 | purl | ba-dum CHH |
| 13:14.08 | Jarli | im not saying it's wrong, but yesterday afternoon i test with my character name "Jarli" in the addon and it did nothing |
| 13:14.20 | Saint-N | you cant follow yourself |
| 13:14.22 | Saint-N | duh |
| 13:14.23 | clad|away | were you testing it on your own character? |
| 13:14.26 | Bela|work | .... |
| 13:14.28 | Jarli | omg Saint |
| 13:14.31 | Jarli | you're dumb |
| 13:14.34 | Jarli | no |
| 13:14.35 | clad|away | why is he dumb? |
| 13:14.39 | Jarli | I rezzed a friend |
| 13:14.43 | Jarli | he had the addon installed |
| 13:14.49 | Jarli | it auto accepted the rez |
| 13:14.52 | Bela|work | so add debug statements |
| 13:14.52 | Jarli | and follow did not work |
| 13:14.58 | Bela|work | did it give an error? |
| 13:15.04 | Jarli | no, no errorzs |
| 13:15.06 | Saint-N | Bela|work: that would be productive and make sense |
| 13:15.09 | Jarli | errors* |
| 13:15.11 | Bela|work | then add debugs and find out where it failed |
| 13:15.14 | Saint-N | stop filling the boys head with that sorta thing |
| 13:15.16 | Bela|work | you are assuming it was that function |
| 13:16.46 | Jarli | i'd rather assume its my poor programming skills, then the fuction |
| 13:16.49 | wereHamster | Jarli, in the code you showed us, you're trying to follow a unit named "arg1" which, obviously, won't work |
| 13:17.11 | clad|away | does anyone have wow open right now |
| 13:17.13 | clad|away | please say they do |
| 13:17.31 | clad|away | find a PC, and run /run FollowUnit("PlayerName") |
| 13:17.34 | clad|away | and just verify that that works. |
| 13:17.41 | clad|away | before i stab myself in the face |
| 13:17.42 | clad|away | :P |
| 13:17.53 | Polarina | clad|away: Ok. |
| 13:17.56 | Jarli | clad bela and others tested that yesterday, it works |
| 13:18.05 | clad|away | then why are we having this conversation? |
| 13:18.16 | clad|away | we've told you what you've done wrong |
| 13:18.18 | Bela|work | I didn't test it |
| 13:18.26 | Jarli | because I need to know, how can I make "playername" be any player, not just a specified one |
| 13:18.28 | Polarina | clad|away: "Unknown unit" |
| 13:18.38 | Bela|work | ok now |
| 13:18.42 | Bela|work | join a party |
| 13:18.50 | Bela|work | then try it on your party member |
| 13:18.50 | Jarli | rephrase, any player that cast rez on dead player with this addon |
| 13:18.52 | clad|away | Polarina: did you type "PlayerName" or the name of the player? |
| 13:18.53 | Bela|work | by their name |
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| 13:19.08 | Polarina | clad|away: I tried both PlayerName and my name. |
| 13:19.12 | Bela|work | does /follow work on anyone? |
| 13:19.23 | clad|away | Polarina: we need you to use somenoe elses name |
| 13:19.28 | clad|away | we need to test if the function accepts players names |
| 13:19.29 | [melin] | Bela|work FollowUnit("name or unitID here") |
| 13:19.31 | Polarina | clad|away: Ok, a minute please. |
| 13:19.34 | clad|away | thanks. |
| 13:19.43 | clad|away | [melin]: we're just trying to verify that |
| 13:19.45 | Bela|work | [melin]: that doesn't help me |
| 13:19.51 | [melin] | clad|away it works |
| 13:19.54 | clad|away | the documentation says it does that, but it doesn't hurt to check |
| 13:19.54 | [melin] | clad|away Im using it |
| 13:19.56 | Bela|work | by its very design unitid can be a name |
| 13:20.03 | clad|away | [melin]: thanks |
| 13:20.07 | [melin] | I added it my addon yesterday |
| 13:20.07 | Bela|work | as long as it is an exact match, and they are in your group or raid |
| 13:20.17 | [melin] | whisper !follow to me and if in range - I start following |
| 13:20.18 | Polarina | clad|away: Yes, it works. |
| 13:20.22 | clad|away | Polarina: thanks |
| 13:20.28 | Polarina | clad|away: My pleasure. |
| 13:20.31 | clad|away | then we're done here :P |
| 13:20.53 | clad|away | FollowUnit("name" or "unit" [, strict]) as I said before :P |
| 13:20.54 | clad|away | page 437 |
| 13:20.58 | clad|away | in the butt |
| 13:21.01 | Bela|work | never underestimate the ability of people to resurrect a done conversation clad|away |
| 13:21.05 | Polarina | Strict? |
| 13:21.12 | clad|away | Polarina: indeed, allows you to use fuzzy matching |
| 13:21.24 | Saint-N | clad likes fuzzy matching |
| 13:21.26 | Bela|work | kinda like /tar |
| 13:21.26 | clad|away | if its a true value, then it will only match that name EXACTLY |
| 13:21.31 | clad|away | otherwise it matches the closest name |
| 13:21.36 | Bela|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:21.37 | Jarli | but i don't want to specify the player, I would like it to be filled, by the addon, when rez is cast onto a dead player with the addon installed |
| 13:21.53 | clad|away | Jarli: yes, and we told you how to do this.] |
| 13:21.53 | Jarli | that is my issue, how do I do that |
| 13:21.54 | [melin] | what happends.. if person A follows B, B follows C, C follows D and D follows A? :P |
| 13:21.57 | clad|away | we told you. |
| 13:21.58 | Jarli | k |
| 13:22.01 | clad|away | FollowUnit(arg1) |
| 13:22.02 | Bela|work | Jarli: you have the tools to do that |
| 13:22.05 | clad|away | if arg1 is the player name |
| 13:22.08 | clad|away | which we can't verify |
| 13:22.08 | [melin] | clad|away arg2* |
| 13:22.11 | Saint-N | [melin]: d cant follow A |
| 13:22.21 | Bela|work | you do realize though |
| 13:22.22 | Saint-N | there's actually a catch for if you're already a follow leader |
| 13:22.30 | Bela|work | your addon will do this even in raids? |
| 13:22.38 | Bela|work | which is probably a bad idea |
| 13:22.40 | Polarina | [melin]: Who knows? |
| 13:22.43 | [melin] | Bela|work my addon does this when asked for yes |
| 13:22.49 | Bela|work | not you |
| 13:22.51 | [melin] | havent tried it when not in party tho |
| 13:22.53 | Bela|work | Jarli: |
| 13:22.54 | [melin] | oh |
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| 13:23.14 | [melin] | Jarli filter the combatlog? |
| 13:23.15 | Jarli | Yes, sorry, wall of text |
| 13:23.21 | Jarli | um how? |
| 13:23.27 | Jarli | like i said, im shitty at programming |
| 13:23.32 | Jarli | im luck i got this far |
| 13:23.33 | Bela|work | for instance, if I rez you in the middle of a raid (with battle rez) should you really be accepting it immediately and follow me? |
| 13:23.44 | Jarli | that is true |
| 13:23.47 | [melin] | either trigger events or "scan" the chatframe.. |
| 13:23.59 | Jarli | so I also want to figure out how to read for SS buff and combat rez |
| 13:24.32 | Jarli | but to clerify for me this is the exact code to make follow work " FollowUnit("name" or "unit" [, strict]) " |
| 13:24.35 | [melin] | SS buff, just ither through the raid/party and check their buffs? |
| 13:24.50 | [melin] | Jarli yes.. that is all you need to follow someone |
| 13:24.57 | clad|away | [melin]: he doesn't understand that |
| 13:25.06 | [melin] | how you pass on the name on who to follow tho is another matter |
| 13:25.07 | clad|away | Jarli: What you need to do, is call the FollowUnit function |
| 13:25.09 | clad|away | with a single argument |
| 13:25.11 | clad|away | the name of the player |
| 13:25.20 | clad|away | if that's stored in a variable, then just use the variable |
| 13:25.36 | Jarli | i named that variable arg1 |
| 13:25.41 | clad|away | its hard to tell you what to do when we're looking at outdated code |
| 13:25.50 | Bela|work | no |
| 13:25.53 | Jarli | no the most current code is the bottem line |
| 13:25.57 | Bela|work | the event returns that variable |
| 13:25.58 | clad|away | then as we said 20 minutes ago, FollowUnit(arg1) |
| 13:26.37 | [melin] | where can I post code? |
| 13:26.42 | [melin] | Im gonna post my code for him |
| 13:26.48 | Saint-N | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:26.50 | Jarli | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/86466-2lhx |
| 13:26.57 | Saint-N | wowuidev.pastey.net i thinks |
| 13:26.59 | Jarli | is the current one i am on |
| 13:27.15 | [melin] | then hang in there.. will post in a sec |
| 13:27.38 | Jarli | according to what you all said then " FollowUnit9arg1[, strict]) " |
| 13:27.44 | Jarli | or is that wrong still? |
| 13:28.07 | Jarli | whoops with the 9 |
| 13:28.10 | Jarli | meant ( |
| 13:28.38 | [melin] | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/86525 |
| 13:28.51 | [melin] | its how I do it |
| 13:29.40 | Jarli | does that force the caster of rez to msg the rezzed person " !follow " or does it do it auot? |
| 13:29.42 | Jarli | auto* |
| 13:30.07 | [melin] | no.. thats the autofollow thing - only |
| 13:30.27 | Jarli | so instance accept rez, and then the follow insues instantly also? |
| 13:30.34 | Jarli | im dumb with this lol |
| 13:30.42 | [melin] | but you can use that to trigger ressing aswell.. just make a new IF condition for the combat log event |
| 13:33.51 | Jarli | is this right then ? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/86526 |
| 13:34.31 | [melin] | no... |
| 13:34.51 | Jarli | where did i screw the poooch? |
| 13:35.00 | [melin] | you cant just pick a piece of code - like mine - and press into another piece of code like that |
| 13:35.13 | [melin] | you need to check my code, understand what it does - and use the parts you need |
| 13:35.22 | [melin] | question: does your autoress work? |
| 13:35.26 | clad|away | you keep saying you're stupid.. you're not |
| 13:35.31 | Jarli | auto res works perfect |
| 13:35.33 | clad|away | but you're trying to rush something |
| 13:35.43 | Jarli | its the follow i dont understand |
| 13:35.54 | [melin] | ok.. show me a code where you have the AutoRess only |
| 13:36.24 | Jarli | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/86527 |
| 13:37.22 | [melin] | you want to autoress even if the resser is in combat btw? |
| 13:37.35 | Jarli | well, no, but i havent figured that out yet |
| 13:37.52 | Jarli | along with that i need to scan for SS buff and Combat Rez, also unsure how to do those |
| 13:38.00 | [melin] | ok - I'll solve that for you - I think.. and a a thanks you let me use the autoress code if I want to? |
| 13:38.11 | Jarli | yea go ahead |
| 13:38.14 | [melin] | the DONT ress if in combat :P |
| 13:39.06 | Bela|work | you arne't in combat when you are dead |
| 13:39.11 | Bela|work | afaik |
| 13:39.12 | [melin] | no.. but the resser may be |
| 13:39.23 | Bela|work | right... |
| 13:39.29 | [melin] | and if the resser is - the bossfight is prolly still under go |
| 13:39.29 | Bela|work | but the code needs to know thjat |
| 13:39.34 | [melin] | thats easy |
| 13:39.57 | Jarli | if arg1 ~= incombat then dontacceptrez |
| 13:40.20 | Jarli | the if statements and all that I can conjure, its making them in the proper code which takes a while for me, it forever.. |
| 13:40.36 | Jarli | arg1 is the person casting rez |
| 13:41.32 | Bela|work | UnitAffectingCombat only works with true unit ids |
| 13:41.35 | Bela|work | I think |
| 13:41.38 | Jarli | the proper code for that should go something like if arg1~= chained spirit etc and arg1 ~= notincombat then accept rez |
| 13:41.48 | Bela|work | so you would need to convert to one to test for that |
| 13:41.51 | clad|away | Bela|work: it shouldn't, since unitids are aliased if they're in yoru party/raid |
| 13:42.04 | Bela|work | right |
| 13:42.31 | [melin] | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/86528 |
| 13:42.34 | Bela|work | the problem here is if you don't use a name that is in your group or party, does it return an error? |
| 13:42.42 | Bela|work | or just return nil? |
| 13:42.49 | Jarli | ideally a nil |
| 13:42.51 | [melin] | nil prolly |
| 13:42.56 | Jarli | but even still it should accept the rez |
| 13:43.08 | Jarli | lets say someone come across you as you died by a mob |
| 13:43.21 | Bela|work | you ahve UnitAffectingCombat in there twice |
| 13:43.31 | Jarli | is there a way to avoid all of the party/raid code and allow the default accept rez box to appear |
| 13:43.43 | [melin] | oh it was in his code already |
| 13:43.53 | [melin] | Bela|work he said that wasnt solved so I didnt check for it =) |
| 13:44.05 | Bela|work | this code shouldn't auto accept the res Jarli if they ar ein combat |
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| 13:44.07 | [melin] | Im amusing Jarli, you didnt write the code you have atm? =) |
| 13:44.08 | Bela|work | and in your raid or party |
| 13:44.18 | Jarli | not all of it |
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| 13:44.32 | [melin] | well.. my addition wont make an error - it just double checks .D |
| 13:44.33 | Jarli | I did say at the start of this i am working off of another person work |
| 13:44.42 | Crysli | What's the link to the ToU? |
| 13:44.45 | Bela|work | another issue I see |
| 13:45.01 | Bela|work | when you get a res request, that code will simple not do anything if you ahve a timer |
| 13:45.17 | Bela|work | and it doesn't check again after your timer ends |
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| 13:45.26 | [melin] | Jarli well.. taking you dont get lag etc when ressed - that code should work |
| 13:45.28 | Jarli | line 29 |
| 13:45.53 | Jarli | includes a corpsegetdelay == 0 |
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| 13:46.07 | Jarli | if not then it rez, if so it ends |
| 13:46.08 | Jarli | nvm |
| 13:46.10 | Jarli | im dull |
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| 13:46.49 | Bela|work | it is a simple if statement that checks to see that it is 0 |
| 13:46.51 | Jarli | what is the link melin? |
| 13:46.54 | Bela|work | if not it doesn't continue |
| 13:47.07 | Jarli | yea i see that Bela, thank you for pointing it out |
| 13:47.26 | alestane | Does anyone remember the correct path for substituting interface artwork? |
| 13:47.57 | Bela|work | is that even supported now? |
| 13:48.19 | alestane | Last I knew. |
| 13:48.38 | Jarli | Blizzard has always supported customization of interface artwork |
| 13:48.51 | Jarli | you can't however change skins on weapons, armor, etc |
| 13:49.35 | [melin] | Jarli sure you can |
| 13:49.39 | [melin] | and what url? |
| 13:49.46 | Jarli | I thought you said you finished |
| 13:49.56 | [melin] | yes.. http://wowuidev.pastey.net/86528 |
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| 13:50.26 | Bela|work | I can't think of a way to repoll your code... |
| 13:50.33 | Bela|work | unless you do it OnUpdate |
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| 13:51.24 | Jarli | damn it, all i notice that is different, which really doesnt seem different is FollowUnit(arg1) |
| 13:51.25 | Saint-N | http://youtube.com/watch?v=M0Imhdpo9ss possibly NSFW if nigga is not acceptable ;) |
| 13:51.30 | Jarli | was that all that was needed? |
| 13:51.34 | [melin] | yes |
| 13:51.43 | [melin] | thats what they told you for 15minutes =) |
| 13:51.43 | Jarli | fucking a.. |
| 13:51.50 | Jarli | but i had that in there.. |
| 13:51.54 | Jarli | and tested it |
| 13:51.55 | [melin] | well |
| 13:51.58 | Jarli | hrm |
| 13:51.59 | [melin] | the problem is.. |
| 13:52.00 | Jarli | can someone test it |
| 13:52.15 | [melin] | when you ress.. you have a small delay before actually alive |
| 13:52.20 | Saint-N | alestane: interface\artwork\ i think |
| 13:52.32 | [melin] | and there is a risk that the code tries to run FollowUnit - before you are actually alive |
| 13:52.35 | Saint-N | ive got it on my home machine i just cant remember it |
| 13:52.49 | alestane | I thought it was a path inside ~WoW\Data\ somewhere but I could be wrong. |
| 13:52.51 | Saint-N | check tkings skins on wowi |
| 13:52.58 | Saint-N | thatll tell ya i believe |
| 13:53.08 | Saint-N | nope its in interface |
| 13:53.09 | alestane | That's the guy I was trying to remember. |
| 13:53.16 | Saint-N | the mpq is in data though |
| 13:53.18 | Jarli | there is a way to know if the dead player is now alive |
| 13:53.22 | Jarli | i saw that on wowwiki |
| 13:53.24 | Jarli | one second |
| 13:53.51 | Saint-N | theres a fair amount of files, but a good majority of them dont need modding unless you're going for a complete and absolute total remake |
| 13:54.10 | Saint-N | ie ah, character, rep, honour, invventory, shopkeepers quests etc |
| 13:54.32 | Gotai | Jarli: Just do an OnUpdate that checks UnitHealth("player") or something. Once it's >0 you're alive. |
| 13:54.32 | Jarli | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitIsDeadOrGhost |
| 13:54.36 | Jarli | unit is dead or ghost |
| 13:54.39 | alestane | That name doesn't turn up anything on WoWInterface. |
| 13:54.39 | Saint-N | and its really easy to tell the main ones since they're larger |
| 13:54.52 | alestane | I'm only trying to substitute one. |
| 13:56.02 | Jarli | hrm |
| 13:56.59 | Gotai | Saying that, that'd be the same as checking if UnitIsDeadOrGhost("player") is false. |
| 13:57.12 | Gotai | Or nil,whatever it returns |
| 13:57.35 | Jarli | how does one target them selfs to read their own Hp? |
| 13:57.37 | ralfWORK | oh so you can make an addon that says "Rezing Player1... Oh wait the jackass released before the rez finished"? |
| 13:58.29 | Gotai | Jarli: UnitHealth() accepts unitIDs. ie. "player" checks UnitHealth for yourself. |
| 13:58.53 | Jarli | If UnitHealth() would then inspect your own character? |
| 13:59.18 | Jarli | IF UnitHealth( >0 ) then FollowUnit(arg1) |
| 13:59.49 | Crysli | Not quite |
| 13:59.50 | Gotai | if UnitHealth("player") > 0 |
| 13:59.59 | Saint-N | alestane: http://t.king.wowinterface.com/portal17650.html |
| 14:00.00 | Crysli | Oh hey Gotai |
| 14:00.11 | Jarli | is player defined as all players or is that specified? |
| 14:00.24 | Gotai | Go look up unitID on WoWWiki ;) |
| 14:00.33 | Gotai | Hi Crysli /wave |
| 14:00.57 | alestane | Saint-N: The portal still exists but the addons are gone. |
| 14:01.03 | dylanm | http://www.wowwiki.com/UnitId |
| 14:01.07 | Crysli | September here if you didn't figure out |
| 14:01.20 | Gotai | I didn't ^^ |
| 14:01.34 | [melin] | hmm.. wonder if its a good idea to make a raid HP monitor where you store the raid in a table together with Raid1, Raid2 etc |
| 14:02.21 | Jarli | haha so "player" is like a wildcard for all players |
| 14:02.26 | [melin] | I mean.. TargetUnit(raidTable["Sylvester"]) |
| 14:02.28 | [melin] | Jarli no? |
| 14:02.36 | Gotai | "player" = you |
| 14:02.40 | [melin] | player is the current player that plats the game |
| 14:02.41 | Crysli | Jarli: "player" is for the character you are currently playing |
| 14:02.46 | Crysli | Agh, bit too late |
| 14:02.53 | Jarli | so then " IF UnitHealth("player") >0 then FollowUnit(arg1) |
| 14:03.17 | dylanm | I don't think it's at all surprising that "this WoW's player" is a unit. |
| 14:03.27 | Bela|work | Jarli: untested: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/86530 |
| 14:04.08 | Bela|work | that should solve the problem of the delay in following, as well as the problem of not polling when the delay is higher than 0 |
| 14:04.46 | Jarli | love you bela |
| 14:04.54 | Bela|work | and the OnUpdate will do nothing after the code is run (until the next death / res) |
| 14:05.43 | Bela|work | oh |
| 14:05.45 | Bela|work | btw |
| 14:05.52 | Bela|work | lines 23 to 29 can be deleted |
| 14:05.57 | Bela|work | I moved that into the OnUpdate |
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| 14:06.05 | Gotai | And fix the typo in 32 |
| 14:06.29 | Bela|work | meh |
| 14:06.32 | Jarli | 23 and 29 or 23 to 29? |
| 14:06.35 | Bela|work | hence the "not tested" |
| 14:06.37 | Gotai | ^^ |
| 14:06.40 | Bela|work | 23 to 29 |
| 14:07.06 | Bela|work | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/86531 |
| 14:07.30 | Jarli | you're fast lol |
| 14:07.50 | Bela|work | I code a lot |
| 14:07.53 | Jarli | do the ------------------ affect the code? |
| 14:08.14 | Bela|work | more problems |
| 14:08.16 | Bela|work | hang on |
| 14:08.34 | Bela|work | I left some junk at the top of the file |
| 14:08.50 | Bela|work | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/86533 |
| 14:08.52 | [melin] | Jarli two -- infront of a line puts the line out of system, makes it a comment |
| 14:09.05 | [melin] | the game system ignores those lines |
| 14:09.12 | Jarli | ah, i was wondering what a comment is |
| 14:09.20 | Jarli | in vb a ' is a comment |
| 14:09.22 | Jarli | so meh |
| 14:10.47 | [melin] | Jarli if you know VB then LUA shouldnt be so hard |
| 14:10.59 | [melin] | especially not addon coding since so much if already done with the API |
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| 14:11.16 | cogwheel | and you should be reading http://www.lua.org/pil/ before you wonder what comments are... |
| 14:11.22 | [melin] | makes me wonder what else I should add to my library.. |
| 14:11.43 | Saint-N | cog |
| 14:11.55 | Saint-N | have an archive of t-kings skins handy? |
| 14:12.05 | cogwheel | umm |
| 14:12.09 | Gotai | That inRaidOrParty() function canbe a lot simpler by the way. Just check UnitInRaid("player"), if false check UnitExists("party1"). |
| 14:12.09 | cogwheel | no u? |
| 14:12.14 | Saint-N | not at work |
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| 14:12.33 | Saint-N | ales is trying to change stuff |
| 14:12.36 | Saint-N | ;) |
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| 14:12.52 | Saint-N | and all i remember is that all artwork is under /interface |
| 14:13.28 | cogwheel | The UI extractor extracts everything you need |
| 14:13.42 | Gotai | Ah no,nevermind me. I smoked too much crack it seems ^^ |
| 14:13.50 | Saint-N | including the art for the vendor frames and stuff? |
| 14:13.55 | alestane | Including the appropriate paths for substitute files? |
| 14:14.09 | cogwheel | Saint-N: have you ever used the UI extractor? :P |
| 14:14.22 | Saint-N | nope i used mpq extractor |
| 14:14.23 | cogwheel | (well, the Interface Art portion, anyway) |
| 14:14.31 | alestane | I can make the file, I just need to put it in the right place for WoW to use it instead of the .mpq version. |
| 14:14.32 | Saint-N | from my old large flightless bird days ;) |
| 14:14.34 | cogwheel | ~lart3mis |
| 14:14.35 | purl | ACTION smacks art3mis upside the head just cuz |
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| 14:14.36 | cogwheel | imo |
| 14:14.38 | [melin] | Gotai thats what I have in my library.. lots of small functions to avoid if else conditions =) |
| 14:14.59 | [melin] | maby make a UnitGroup("unit") function.. |
| 14:15.02 | Gotai | Hm.. actually, you could drop the raid checking bit as UnitInRaid accepts names. |
| 14:15.06 | [melin] | returns party, raid or nil |
| 14:15.13 | Saint-N | alestane: if you cant figure it out and can wait til later tonight, ive got it all on my home machine |
| 14:15.35 | Saint-N | i would open the mpq with an extractor and just extract interface\\ |
| 14:15.42 | alestane | cogwheel: somehow I thought it went under ~WoW\Data\enUS\Interface\ |
| 14:15.43 | Saint-N | and look for the blps and delete the rest ;) |
| 14:16.06 | cogwheel | I thought everything under Blizzard Interface Art was equivalent to WoW\Interface |
| 14:16.14 | Gotai | [melin]: Should justbe something Blizz added really. |
| 14:16.34 | Crysli | http://wowi.pastey.net/86534 tis maco was in an episode of Pimp My UI. Would anyone mind explaining me why "b=o" is in there? |
| 14:16.44 | [melin] | Gotai yeaps.. and they will someday =) many of the API things are stuff added by players first |
| 14:17.01 | Bela|work | I see several other tweaks |
| 14:17.06 | Bela|work | to make it simpler |
| 14:17.18 | Saint-N | cogwheel: thats correct |
| 14:17.32 | Saint-N | except that some of the fonts can end up in wow/fonts |
| 14:17.33 | alestane | So if I'm replacing a file in "Blzzard Interface Art (enUS)\TargetingFrame", does that mean the substitute should go in "~WoW\Interface\TargetingFrame"? |
| 14:17.37 | Saint-N | despite being in /interface |
| 14:17.47 | cogwheel | Saint-N: there's fonts in /interface? |
| 14:17.50 | Saint-N | there's another directory |
| 14:17.51 | cogwheel | since when? |
| 14:17.56 | Saint-N | there used to be |
| 14:18.24 | Saint-N | alestane: there's a subdir under interface for it that i cant remember |
| 14:18.27 | Bela|work | Gotai, Jarli: better? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/86535 |
| 14:18.34 | Saint-N | i wanna say its artwork but i dont think thats right |
| 14:18.48 | Saint-N | or its interface/data/*.blp |
| 14:18.57 | Bela|work | the "Chained Spirit" isn't necessary since technically it would be excluded anyway by the raid and party checks |
| 14:19.12 | alestane | I downloaded those damn skins once, too; but I don't appear to have saved them. |
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| 14:20.32 | Gotai | What was that Chained Spiritcheck for anyway? |
| 14:20.46 | [melin] | Crysli with? |
| 14:20.49 | Gotai | Crysli: It seems redundant to me |
| 14:21.02 | Gotai | Then again,I always get lost in macros like that due to lack of proper var names. |
| 14:21.53 | [melin] | easy |
| 14:22.01 | [melin] | b cant be nil so they set 0 to it |
| 14:22.13 | [melin] | if b is nil you get an error when trying to compare with it etc |
| 14:22.44 | [melin] | nice macro for buying stuff from vendor |
| 14:22.52 | [melin] | tho I have that coded into one of my addons |
| 14:22.59 | cogwheel | bbiab |
| 14:23.06 | Gotai | But they're setting b=o, not b=0 |
| 14:23.09 | Bela|work | I didn't see what Crysli needed |
| 14:23.42 | [melin] | ah |
| 14:23.56 | [melin] | well.. then b = 20-GetItemCount(i) |
| 14:24.02 | dylanm | That macro seems overly long for what it's trying to do. |
| 14:24.10 | [melin] | b is the amount if powder they are gonna buy |
| 14:24.29 | Saint-N | alestane: okay im wrong |
| 14:24.35 | Saint-N | it IS data\interface |
| 14:24.36 | Crysli | Yeah, I've figured that out. But is there any reason for b being o? |
| 14:24.47 | [melin] | save space later in the addon |
| 14:24.50 | [melin] | macro* |
| 14:24.58 | Saint-N | alestane: but there still is a subfolder under that |
| 14:25.00 | Gotai | Hrm? He could just use o instead ofb |
| 14:25.03 | Gotai | *of b |
| 14:25.09 | alestane | Saint-N: ~WoW\Data\Interface\ or ~WoW\Data\enUS\Interface\? |
| 14:25.20 | Gotai | Or am Imissing something?(apart from a working spacebar) |
| 14:25.41 | [melin] | nope - they could use o - as far as I can see |
| 14:25.44 | dylanm | Gotai: Well he uses o later and changes b. |
| 14:25.58 | Saint-N | try both |
| 14:26.13 | Saint-N | they changed the extract format with the new version so im not sure which one reads correctly anymore |
| 14:26.24 | [melin] | ah.. b is a counter.. |
| 14:26.40 | [melin] | it decreases each time the macro buys something |
| 14:26.43 | Bela|work | do macros treat variables as local to taht macro? |
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| 14:26.54 | Bela|work | and if so, are they retained between macro uses? |
| 14:27.10 | Gotai | They're local if you declarethem local |
| 14:27.18 | Bela|work | thats why o is there then |
| 14:27.20 | Saint-N | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:27.24 | Saint-N | stuff like that |
| 14:27.26 | Bela|work | because b=b-s |
| 14:27.31 | Bela|work | laster in that function |
| 14:27.35 | Saint-N | you might be best sutied to just extract the mpq |
| 14:27.41 | Bela|work | err |
| 14:27.47 | Bela|work | actually nm that wouldn't matter |
| 14:28.03 | Bela|work | my attempt at finding logic in the use of o has failed |
| 14:28.52 | dylanm | He wants to use o later in one of the ceils. Don't ask me why. |
| 14:28.52 | Gotai | Ah, he uses that o in the last for loop,in which he changes b |
| 14:29.19 | Saint-N | wow thats interesting |
| 14:29.35 | Saint-N | antrix is part of the fbsd ports |
| 14:30.09 | Bela|work | doesn't matter |
| 14:30.12 | Gotai | But isn't that rather pointless though? |
| 14:30.19 | dylanm | Wait, s is stack size here right/ |
| 14:30.21 | dylanm | This is stupid. |
| 14:31.06 | Bela|work | yeah thats right |
| 14:31.10 | Bela|work | I see now |
| 14:31.32 | Bela|work | you still could have replacved o with b though no? |
| 14:31.45 | Bela|work | the for loop would still function just fine |
| 14:31.59 | [melin] | yes - but the macro wouldnt know how much to buy |
| 14:32.22 | [melin] | but then.. I dont use any decreaser in my function for that |
| 14:32.27 | Bela|work | how does using b without o cause that? |
| 14:32.27 | [melin] | its just a FOR loop |
| 14:32.55 | [melin] | well.. tbh - I think that macro can be made a bit better |
| 14:33.00 | Bela|work | yeah |
| 14:33.04 | dylanm | Is this just trying to get to 20? |
| 14:33.15 | Bela|work | BuyMerchantItem(c,b>=s and s/q or ceil(b/q)) |
| 14:33.19 | Bela|work | thats where it is important |
| 14:33.20 | Gotai | The b is pointless |
| 14:33.28 | Gotai | It can just be o |
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| 14:33.36 | Crysli | OK then. |
| 14:33.43 | Crysli | Now to figure out the rest ^_^ |
| 14:33.47 | dylanm | Because these ceil calls are confusing... like... ceil(o/s/q)? |
| 14:34.06 | Bela|work | and i |
| 14:34.17 | Bela|work | ahh nm |
| 14:34.18 | Gotai | He seems to be worried that changing o=o-s in the for loop will break the for loop, but it won't |
| 14:35.39 | [melin] | what are you trying to figure btw? |
| 14:35.52 | Bela|work | does that come even close to hitting the macro character limit? |
| 14:35.57 | Gotai | Wheter b=o is indeed pointless ;) |
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| 14:36.07 | WobWork | So. |
| 14:36.14 | Bela|work | bcause, you could increase the character count just a little, and gain some efficiency |
| 14:36.19 | WobWork | My attempt to install windows as a second os has failed miserably |
| 14:36.24 | Gotai | It's fairly close,yes. |
| 14:36.25 | WobWork | instead, I managed to wipe my entire linux drives as well |
| 14:36.37 | dylanm | Because o=20-HowManyIHave, s=StackSize, q=MerchantPurchaseSize... |
| 14:36.38 | Gotai | 237/255 |
| 14:37.05 | Bela|work | thats with o |
| 14:37.06 | Gotai | Though you can shave of some chars by s=select(8,GetItemInfo(i)) instead of all the _, |
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| 14:37.25 | dylanm | He already assumed 20 earlier what the hell |
| 14:37.58 | Bela|work | 233 without o |
| 14:38.06 | dylanm | And I think the expression I gave earlier is always 1 :p |
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| 14:38.45 | dylanm | Well, unless you have more than 20 arcane powder. But then... |
| 14:39.12 | Bela|work | Gotai: 228 |
| 14:40.12 | Crysli | OK, I'm getting the impression that this macro isn't optimal. How would I make one that's better, then? |
| 14:40.30 | Bela|work | heh |
| 14:40.33 | Gotai | I still fail to see the use of s (stacksize) |
| 14:40.33 | Bela|work | working on it |
| 14:40.42 | Bela|work | what is this doing exactly? |
| 14:40.57 | Gotai | Restocks Arcane Powder to 20 |
| 14:41.10 | Crysli | But afaik 20 can be anything |
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| 14:42.19 | Bela|work | why s? |
| 14:42.21 | Gotai | Checking stacksize would make sense imo if he did o=stacksize-itemcount |
| 14:42.26 | Bela|work | can't we assume teh stack count is 20? |
| 14:42.30 | Gotai | But in this case he's already assuming 20 |
| 14:42.54 | Gotai | Oh hang on |
| 14:43.13 | Gotai | Gah, this is melting my brains |
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| 14:44.39 | Gotai | I think dylanm was right, ceil((o/q)/s) indeed always seems to return one. |
| 14:44.57 | Gotai | In this case at least. |
| 14:48.12 | Bela|work | so, all this does is refill a partial stack of 20 rihgt? |
| 14:48.24 | Bela|work | like if I had 8 Arcane Poweders, it would buy 12 |
| 14:48.26 | Crysli | Correct. |
| 14:48.32 | Gotai | Has anyone tested it? |
| 14:48.44 | Crysli | I think Klishu tested it. |
| 14:48.51 | Crysli | Which would make sense since he made it. |
| 14:48.54 | Gotai | Ah, must be right then :) |
| 14:50.11 | Bela|work | I assume the code in BuyMerchantItem is just buying the 12 I need to make a full stack, or if less than 12 are available, buying all that are available |
| 14:50.13 | Crysli | I think the ceil((o/q)/s) stuff is for things with unusual stack counts |
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| 14:54.05 | digmouse | does anyone know what's the relative event of item using? |
| 14:54.32 | Bela|work | http://wowi.pastey.net/86537 |
| 14:54.35 | Bela|work | untested |
| 14:55.33 | Crysli | Bela|work: Does that just buy a full stack? |
| 14:56.25 | Bela|work | fix: http://wowi.pastey.net/86538 |
| 14:56.34 | Bela|work | no it buys what you need to make a full stack |
| 14:56.43 | Bela|work | if I have 8, and I need 12 more, it buys 12 more |
| 14:56.49 | Crysli | Ah |
| 14:56.56 | Bela|work | IF 12 are available |
| 14:57.00 | Bela|work | if only 6 are, it buys 6 |
| 14:57.13 | Crysli | That makes sense for water and stuff |
| 14:57.26 | Bela|work | yeah |
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| 14:57.34 | Crysli | Not so much for the more advanced stuff |
| 14:57.44 | Bela|work | like? |
| 14:57.45 | Crysli | Like arrows? |
| 14:57.48 | Crysli | Not sure though |
| 14:57.53 | Bela|work | why not? |
| 14:58.05 | Crysli | Might be me who hasn't read your code properly |
| 14:58.09 | Crysli | sec |
| 14:58.19 | Bela|work | the one thing it DOESN'T do though |
| 14:58.25 | Bela|work | it support multiple stacks |
| 14:58.28 | Bela|work | is* |
| 14:58.34 | Bela|work | hmm |
| 14:58.42 | Crysli | Which the other macro did, if I'm not mistaken |
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| 14:59.24 | Bela|work | I see why he did the stack count thing |
| 14:59.34 | Bela|work | its for items that stack to less or more than 20 |
| 14:59.57 | Crysli | Yeah, I figured it would be something like that |
| 14:59.58 | Bela|work | all you would need to do it change the i="Item Name" |
| 15:00.29 | Crysli | Huh? |
| 15:01.01 | Bela|work | in the original macro I would change i="Ankh" and buy stacks of Ankhs |
| 15:01.07 | Crysli | Ah, yeah. |
| 15:01.09 | Bela|work | which only stack to 10 |
| 15:01.35 | Crysli | Of course. |
| 15:01.36 | Bela|work | the original works, it just LOOKS sloppy |
| 15:02.07 | Crysli | So it would be fairly easy to add the stack thing to your macro? |
| 15:02.19 | Bela|work | why b=b-s though? |
| 15:02.23 | Bela|work | I dont get that part |
| 15:04.33 | Bela|work | ahh |
| 15:05.48 | Crysli | ahh? |
| 15:06.55 | Bela|work | I am unravelling the code by replacing values with real world numbers |
| 15:06.59 | Bela|work | as a test |
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| 15:07.20 | Bela|work | example: I ahve 40, so o=-40 |
| 15:07.25 | Bela|work | err |
| 15:07.31 | Bela|work | I ahve 60, and o=-40 |
| 15:07.33 | Bela|work | thats what I meant |
| 15:11.25 | Crysli | aha. Finding anything interesting? |
| 15:13.12 | Bela|work | sort of. I am creating a cleaner version now |
| 15:13.36 | Crysli | Yay ^^ |
| 15:13.58 | Crysli | Btw, thanks for helping me through this. I'm sort of starting to get the weird math addons use sometimes. |
| 15:19.40 | Saint-N | "Oliver, who reloaded his semiautomatic in the middle of the fray, fired 31 times, Isnora fired 11 times, and Cooper, whose leg was brushed by Bell's moving car, fired four times, the NYPD said." |
| 15:19.52 | Saint-N | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:22.44 | Crysli | Meh homework |
| 15:28.44 | cog|work | what exactly is the point of bit.mod? |
| 15:29.22 | cog|work | it seems like the latest versions of bitlib have omitted it... |
| 15:29.42 | Polarina | cog|work: Probably because there's no point in it, that's why they removed it. |
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| 15:37.16 | [melin] | is there any event or trigger for AFK at ready check? |
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| 15:48.13 | Kaso | Oh god |
| 15:48.27 | Kaso | Just handed in the most stressful peice of coursework ever |
| 15:48.35 | Kaso | I dispise group projects >.< |
| 15:49.35 | Zyuu | what was it? |
| 15:51.13 | Kaso | Just this silly GPS thingy in java |
| 15:52.13 | Kaso | But the stressfulness was from the fact that in our group of four, two of us pretty much wrote 90% of the code between us |
| 15:52.20 | Kaso | one guy wrote exactly zero lines of code |
| 15:52.51 | mikma | Kaso: he was the leader of the group |
| 15:53.34 | Zyuu | I would've been pissed :P |
| 15:53.50 | Kaso | actually no, the leader was the guy other than me who did stuff, the zero code guy was (im going to sound slightly racist here bt w/e) a turkish student who's over here at uni |
| 15:53.56 | Kaso | sorry greek |
| 15:54.37 | Kaso | The greek guys all keep to themselves and i think he uses his issues with language as a bit of an excuse. |
| 15:55.16 | Kaso | I prob shouldve been pissed, but im too tired to. |
| 15:55.38 | Polarina | Kaso: Get some rest so you can beat him up tomorrow. |
| 15:55.54 | Kaso | heh, yes |
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| 15:57.13 | Shirik | <3 Kaso |
| 15:57.16 | Shirik | what do you think I'm doing? :D |
| 15:57.31 | Kaso | umm? beating up a greek guy? |
| 15:57.39 | Shirik | a group project -_- |
| 15:57.43 | Kaso | heh |
| 15:57.43 | Shirik | in Java, no less |
| 15:57.53 | Shirik | but did you have to work with aerospace engineers? |
| 15:57.58 | Shirik | that's the rest of my coding team >.> |
| 15:58.17 | Kaso | oh god, so non of them have comp sci backgrounds? bet thats fun |
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| 15:58.48 | Shirik | yeah, I let them do the easy stuff |
| 15:58.55 | Shirik | since they were required to write at least one line of code :P |
| 15:59.30 | Kaso | is the project engineering based? or is that just random the fact theyre engineers? |
| 16:00.11 | Shirik | just random |
| 16:00.14 | krka | kaso, just to clarify, you and the rest of your group were greek, except for a turkish guy? |
| 16:00.14 | Shirik | I think they have a CS minor |
| 16:00.43 | Kaso | nono, we're all english except a greek guy |
| 16:00.53 | Kaso | Turkish was a mistake on my side |
| 16:01.01 | krka | ok, then it makes sense |
| 16:01.23 | Kaso | But greekness isnt really relivent, the point is he's one of those foreign students who come over to learn but dont really want to interact |
| 16:01.23 | Polarina | Only five more years before I go to University. :P |
| 16:01.28 | Kaso | if you know who i mean |
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| 16:02.43 | Shirik | ag |
| 16:02.48 | Shirik | krka, you've worked with Java compilers |
| 16:03.15 | *** part/#wowuidev aufegu (n=Aufegu@58.232.153.209) |
| 16:03.19 | Shirik | do you know, off the top of your head, the signature of a method that takes an int and returns void? I thought it was (D)V |
| 16:03.27 | Shirik | but I keep getting null back |
| 16:05.50 | krka | (I)V ? |
| 16:06.04 | Shirik | was I thinking too hard? >< |
| 16:06.13 | Bela|work | crysli|away: http://wowi.pastey.net/86541 |
| 16:06.18 | Shirik | thanks |
| 16:06.31 | krka | i think one of the types has a weird letter though |
| 16:06.35 | krka | like boolean has Z or something |
| 16:06.36 | Shirik | Yeah, I thoguht it was that one |
| 16:06.57 | krka | http://www.murrayc.com/learning/java/java_classfileformat.shtml |
| 16:07.00 | Shirik | Because I was thinking "long" at the time because that's how it is in C++ side (typedef jint long) |
| 16:07.08 | Shirik | and L is for objects |
| 16:07.29 | krka | byte B, char C, double D, float F, int I, long J (!), short S, boolean Z (!) |
| 16:07.33 | Shirik | thanks |
| 16:07.42 | krka | i wonder why long isn't L |
| 16:07.45 | krka | ah right, classes |
| 16:07.46 | krka | never mind |
| 16:08.09 | foxlit | ij |
| 16:09.03 | Shirik | This is, however, by far the coolest program I've ever made |
| 16:09.08 | Shirik | and at least my group did some work |
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| 16:13.25 | Bela|work | crysli|away: forgot limited quantity support (fixed): http://wowi.pastey.net/86542 |
| 16:13.44 | Shirik | Hey Bela|work, you do pastey, right? |
| 16:13.47 | Bela|work | damn, forgot some other changes too, I gotta stop that |
| 16:14.01 | Bela|work | what do you mean I do pastey? |
| 16:14.09 | Shirik | like you're the one who runs it? |
| 16:14.12 | Shirik | or is that someone else? |
| 16:14.54 | Bela|work | must be someone else |
| 16:14.56 | Bela|work | I run wdn |
| 16:14.58 | Bela|work | http://wowi.pastey.net/86543 |
| 16:15.08 | cog|work | pastey is norganna's |
| 16:15.11 | Shirik | ah |
| 16:15.19 | Shirik | thanks |
| 16:15.25 | foxlit | (ceil(h/s)-(h/s))*10 |
| 16:15.43 | foxlit | *magic* |
| 16:15.51 | Bela|work | ? |
| 16:16.11 | Gotai | Macros turn everything into magic because ofthe 255 charlimit ;) |
| 16:16.19 | Bela|work | yeah taht gets the difference between a stack |
| 16:16.26 | Bela|work | well, total full stacks |
| 16:16.32 | foxlit | And 10 is just sooooo cool :) |
| 16:16.41 | Bela|work | like if I have 25 ankhs, and they stack to 10, that will return 5 |
| 16:17.03 | Bela|work | as in, I need 5 more |
| 16:17.48 | Bela|work | reason 10 is there is because without it it would be .5 |
| 16:17.51 | Bela|work | =P |
| 16:17.58 | foxlit | s-h%s |
| 16:18.33 | foxlit | Or (s-h%s)%s depending on what you want |
| 16:19.01 | alestane | " i just meant what is the proper syntax to do a modifier" WTF? |
| 16:21.11 | foxlit | Considering you check if (n==0), I'd wager on the former |
| 16:21.19 | Bela|work | foxlit: what does the second one do that the first doesn't? |
| 16:21.38 | Bela|work | s-h%s vs (s-h%s)%s |
| 16:21.42 | foxlit | Given the rest of your code, nothing |
| 16:21.48 | foxlit | Separately, though |
| 16:21.57 | foxlit | Assume you have 10 ankhs and they stack to 10 |
| 16:22.06 | foxlit | s-h%s = 10 |
| 16:22.11 | foxlit | (s-h%s)%s = 0 |
| 16:22.15 | Bela|work | ahh |
| 16:22.20 | Bela|work | the first would be better |
| 16:23.39 | crysli|away | Bela|work: Thanks a lot. |
| 16:24.32 | Bela|work | theres more |
| 16:24.34 | Bela|work | hehe |
| 16:25.30 | Bela|work | http://wowi.pastey.net/86544 |
| 16:25.43 | Bela|work | gah |
| 16:25.47 | Bela|work | more shorter! |
| 16:26.10 | Bela|work | http://wowi.pastey.net/86545 |
| 16:26.17 | Bela|work | anyone see anything that could be shortened? |
| 16:26.25 | foxlit | if (q<n) then n=q end |
| 16:26.36 | foxlit | min(q,n) |
| 16:27.00 | Bela|work | n=min(q,n) you mean |
| 16:27.07 | foxlit | no |
| 16:27.13 | foxlit | stuff it directly into ByMerchantItem |
| 16:27.17 | Bela|work | ahh |
| 16:27.30 | foxlit | also, if (m==item) |
| 16:27.48 | foxlit | don't have a variable called item anymore, and () can be dropped |
| 16:27.53 | Bela|work | I fixed that |
| 16:28.52 | Bela|work | http://wowi.pastey.net/86548 |
| 16:28.57 | Bela|work | 178 chars |
| 16:29.31 | crysli|away | What's h%s mean? |
| 16:29.38 | foxlit | in the spirit of inlining things, you could drop the n assignment |
| 16:30.57 | Kaso | crysli|away % is modulus operator |
| 16:30.58 | foxlit | crysli|away: remainder of division of h by s |
| 16:31.48 | crysli|away | Ah |
| 16:32.15 | Crysli | I've just heard of something called %s, so I was a tiny bit confused |
| 16:32.57 | Kaso | %s would be a string pattern for string.format |
| 16:32.57 | Shirik | is there a murphy's law of coding? |
| 16:33.09 | Shirik | Like if your program crashes, it will happen on the longest, most complex line possible? |
| 16:33.23 | Crysli | Doesn't Murphy's law just apply to, like, everything? |
| 16:33.30 | Hirsute | Well, that's just common sense. |
| 16:33.30 | Shirik | I think this satisfies it :/ jobject javaTruth = env->NewObject(env->FindClass("java/lang/Boolean"), env->GetMethodID(env->FindClass("java/lang/Boolean"), "<init>", "B"), truth); |
| 16:33.33 | Shirik | I knew I shouldn't hvae done it |
| 16:33.36 | Kaso | Surely thats just a law of probability Shirik |
| 16:33.37 | foxlit | But that's not evil, though |
| 16:33.46 | Kaso | longer the line the higher probility of error in i |
| 16:33.48 | Kaso | it |
| 16:34.02 | foxlit | Things are much, much worse when it crashes on simpler lines of code |
| 16:34.11 | Shirik | true |
| 16:34.14 | Crysli | Well, thanks for helping me out with that restocking macro ^_^ |
| 16:35.03 | Bela|work | foxlit: like so? http://wowi.pastey.net/86549 |
| 16:35.36 | amro | anyone here use alpine? |
| 16:36.23 | foxlit | Bela|work: yeah; can't think of anything else to cut there. |
| 16:36.56 | Bela|work | that goes a long way to making it super short |
| 16:36.59 | Bela|work | only 174 chars |
| 16:37.28 | Gotai | You can trim some spaces still if you'd want. |
| 16:37.43 | Gotai | But doesn't get much better than that :) |
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| 16:42.40 | Crysli | Hey Kalroth. How was your yoghurt? |
| 16:43.04 | Kalroth | Not old enough, Arla sucks! |
| 16:43.35 | Crysli | Lolwut |
| 16:43.55 | Crysli | I had some yoghurt form Bornholm this morning, it was pretty good. |
| 16:46.01 | Kalroth | They actually ship milk products from Bornholm to the rest of Denmark? |
| 16:46.37 | pastamancer | Bela|work: 164 cgars |
| 16:46.44 | pastamancer | err, chars |
| 16:46.53 | Kalroth | cigars* |
| 16:46.56 | pastamancer | and instead of if |
| 16:47.13 | Crysli | Kalroth: Idunno. It said in the description that it was from Bornholm. But I'm guessing it's just from cows originally from Bornholm. |
| 16:52.19 | Kaso | I hate windows installers that all seem to want to restart when there's no need |
| 16:52.52 | Kaso | i even moreso hate the ones who try to be tricky about it, this one has a "Do Not Restart not" check box, i almost just blindly clicked finish |
| 16:54.08 | Kalroth | lol |
| 16:55.36 | foxlit | Teaching user awareness, one restart at a time. |
| 16:57.16 | Crysli | Ouch, I can imagine the really evil ones. "Don't not refrain from not restarting" |
| 16:57.22 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 16:57.34 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got into a habit of killing the process once the program is installed |
| 16:57.46 | ScytheBlade1 | "CAN'T RESTART THE COMPUTER ON ME NOW, CAN YOU? HUH? HUH?" |
| 16:57.59 | Kaso | i like this plan |
| 16:58.00 | ScytheBlade1 | "Yeah, that's what I thought." |
| 16:58.11 | foxlit | That just leads to an arms race |
| 16:58.32 | foxlit | Split the installers into two processes - if someone terminates either before disarming the restart, restart. |
| 16:58.44 | Crysli | Lol. |
| 16:58.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Then I just move up the process explorer |
| 16:59.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Suspend them both, kill them both |
| 16:59.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Bam |
| 16:59.24 | Kaso | then you'll get rootkit style installers who you cant even detect installing |
| 16:59.29 | Kaso | then you randomly restart! |
| 16:59.38 | ScytheBlade1 | My flash drive has RootkitRevealer.exe |
| 16:59.44 | ScytheBlade1 | How noob do you think I am? ;) |
| 16:59.47 | foxlit | Very. |
| 16:59.53 | ScytheBlade1 | I see |
| 16:59.53 | foxlit | Alternatively, do not finalize installation until you're terminated proerly |
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| 17:00.35 | ScytheBlade1 | I actually could really use a new flash drive, one with a hardware read-only switch |
| 17:00.45 | Tib | Hey everyone |
| 17:00.48 | ScytheBlade1 | That way I won't worry about plugging it into random computers that I'm fixing |
| 17:00.48 | Kaso | i'd be interested to see the results of an actual survey of the number of installers that want to restart vs the number that require restart |
| 17:01.26 | foxlit | I'd be interested to see aggregated summaries of wow addon code, dependancies and automatic conflict analysis :) |
| 17:01.59 | [melin] | hmm.. WoW doesnt put any data in Windows/System32 etc right? |
| 17:02.03 | Kaso | ..how odd |
| 17:02.05 | ScytheBlade1 | No |
| 17:02.13 | ScytheBlade1 | But it drops the uninstaller into windows\ iirc |
| 17:02.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Like every other blizzard game in existance |
| 17:02.24 | [melin] | Im thinking of moving it to some external USB drive instead :P |
| 17:02.34 | [melin] | then I can take it with me when visit people :D |
| 17:02.39 | ScytheBlade1 | It'll work flawlessly |
| 17:02.39 | Tib | test: can you guys hear me? (I'm on an app at work, not sure if it works) |
| 17:02.45 | Kaso | USB drives are usually really slow though |
| 17:02.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Tib: yup |
| 17:02.50 | Kaso | Tib, no we cant hear you |
| 17:02.54 | Polarina | Tib: We can't hear you, sorry. |
| 17:02.58 | Tib | :) Thx |
| 17:03.03 | [melin] | Kaso USB2.0 is fast enough for running an application |
| 17:03.21 | [melin] | and since WoW uses cachememory during gameplay - it shouldnt matter |
| 17:03.28 | Tib | I'm just getting started with UI programming, is there a good place you can recommend I start so I don't waste your time? |
| 17:03.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Well. The wiki. |
| 17:03.41 | ScytheBlade1 | wowwiki.com/API |
| 17:03.43 | [melin] | www.wowwiki.com/WoW_API |
| 17:03.46 | Kaso | well its not the usb thats the problem, pen drives usually use painfully slow writing flash, and it does write a fair bit to file |
| 17:03.58 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd argue that it isn't a very nice way to start, though :) |
| 17:04.03 | ScytheBlade1 | To that end, I'd recommend |
| 17:04.05 | ScytheBlade1 | ~wowprogramming |
| 17:04.06 | purl | from memory, wowprogramming is World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons, a book written by Cladhaire, Kaelten and Cogwheel. It serves as a technical reference for the WoW API and customization system (Due out Early 2008). http://tinyurl.com/2vtlya |
| 17:04.07 | [melin] | Kaso yea but I doubt it will be noticable |
| 17:04.12 | Kaso | i think you'd notice a fps drop, but do an experiment see what happens. |
| 17:04.18 | Kaso | It's science dont you know! |
| 17:04.28 | [melin] | hehe |
| 17:04.39 | foxlit | unreleased books > wiki pages, yes! |
| 17:04.48 | Tib | Is the wiki gonna help me with a hello world? |
| 17:04.54 | [melin] | yes |
| 17:04.57 | durcyn | it's out, check amazon |
| 17:05.03 | [melin] | since there is an example how to make a Hello World =) |
| 17:05.09 | foxlit | "Availability: This title has not yet been released. You may pre-order it now and we will deliver it to you when it arrives. Ships from and sold by Amazon.com. Gift-wrap available." |
| 17:05.17 | foxlit | amazon disagrees. |
| 17:05.20 | durcyn | oh, bother |
| 17:05.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Soon iirc |
| 17:05.40 | cog|work | purl: no, wowprogramming is World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons, a book written by Cladhaire, Kaelten and Cogwheel. It serves as a technical reference for the WoW API and customization system (Due out May 5, 2008). http://tinyurl.com/2vtlya |
| 17:05.40 | purl | cog|work: okay |
| 17:05.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 17:05.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Soon indeed |
| 17:06.30 | Tib | hmm i'm looking them up |
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| 17:06.43 | Duman | orly, may 5 ? |
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| 17:07.00 | Tib | Do you guys know if there's a mod that will parse a custom channel? (that's basically what i'm trying to do) |
| 17:07.08 | cog|work | yep! amazon's got a 5% pre-order discount until it's released |
| 17:07.13 | Polarina | Will the book be updated for the new API in 2.4.2? |
| 17:07.23 | cog|work | Polarina: that's what the companion site is for |
| 17:07.34 | Duman | tib: that's a little vauge... parse in what way? |
| 17:07.36 | cog|work | though we did everything we could to leave out anything that we knew would be irrelevant |
| 17:07.41 | Fisker- | cockwheel |
| 17:07.42 | Fisker- | ! |
| 17:08.13 | Crysli | Ha ha |
| 17:08.13 | Tib | Dunman: just to literally take whatever is said in channel 9 for example ( /join test is /9) and jot it down on a timestamped log file |
| 17:08.28 | Duman | tib: can't write anything out to the fs in realtime |
| 17:08.41 | Duman | only flushed on logout |
| 17:08.46 | widgertick | Fister- |
| 17:08.47 | widgertick | =O |
| 17:08.59 | ScytheBlade1 | "Your Order with Amazon.com" |
| 17:09.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Enjoy the money, cog ;) |
| 17:09.06 | Tib | Duman: that's fine. It's for raid attendance and loot (also want to track raid deaths) |
| 17:09.07 | durcyn | eh, chatlog/combatlog are flushed periodically, just not periodically enough sometimes |
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| 17:09.16 | Duman | you could "log" it internally and then save out to savedvariables later |
| 17:09.30 | cog|work | ;) |
| 17:09.41 | Tib | Duman: I don't follow. |
| 17:09.47 | durcyn | take a look at, hm, Elephant for an example of SV chat logging |
| 17:10.08 | cog|work | ScytheBlade1: or more to the point, "Enjoy the reduction of your advance balance" |
| 17:10.08 | Tib | Durcyn: Lemmie peek elephant now. |
| 17:10.10 | durcyn | though the CTRT xml in the clipboard method might be more useful for the dkp bit |
| 17:10.20 | Gotai | Ehr Bela, the macro died in the process ofbecoming shorter. |
| 17:10.20 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work: haha. Well, I tried. |
| 17:10.52 | Duman | I'll buy a copy if you'll sign it, cog |
| 17:10.53 | Duman | ;) |
| 17:11.25 | Tib | "Logs up to 1000 lines for each chat!" :S |
| 17:11.31 | cog|work | I've been at every blizzcon so far so that may be doable ;) |
| 17:11.37 | foxlit | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000GWJD0A/ref=amb_link_6334762_2?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=left-2&pf_rd_r=01G89TV8C4VTJW12DW7A&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_p=363340601&pf_rd_i=0470229810 < almost Pen Pen |
| 17:11.38 | Bela|work | hmm |
| 17:11.41 | Shirik | how many blizzcons have there been? |
| 17:11.42 | Shirik | 2? :P |
| 17:11.43 | Bela|work | where did it die? |
| 17:11.46 | Gotai | min(q,n) is always 1 |
| 17:12.02 | Gotai | So it just buys 1 instead of filling stack |
| 17:12.04 | Duman | yay amazon prime |
| 17:12.07 | Bela|work | maybe q is always 1 |
| 17:12.12 | Gotai | It is |
| 17:12.19 | Bela|work | thats retarded |
| 17:12.21 | Duman | Thanks for your order! |
| 17:12.21 | Duman | We'll send you an e-mail confirmation shortly. |
| 17:12.23 | Duman | :) |
| 17:13.03 | Gotai | q is merchant item quantity |
| 17:13.22 | Gotai | For most items that'll be 1 |
| 17:13.40 | Crysli | Gotai: How about water? That comes in stacks |
| 17:13.49 | Bela|work | ahh I get it |
| 17:13.51 | Duman | or certain reagents |
| 17:13.51 | dylanm | Not for water. For Arcane Powder I've never seen anything other than 1 though :p |
| 17:13.56 | Gotai | Heh, that's even worse |
| 17:13.57 | Bela|work | GetMerchantItemInfo always returns -1 for unlimited |
| 17:13.58 | cog|work | Duman: my boss claimed I was his nephew so i could be on his amazon prime account ;) |
| 17:14.10 | Gotai | Water pops up an Internal Bag Error :P |
| 17:14.10 | Duman | cog: haha ;-) |
| 17:14.15 | Gotai | Every time |
| 17:14.27 | Crysli | That just proves that water is unhealthy |
| 17:14.31 | Duman | lol |
| 17:14.43 | dylanm | Bela|work: Well there are returns for "smallest purchasable quantity" and "how many of those does the merchant have". |
| 17:14.49 | dylanm | If it's a limited-quantity thing. |
| 17:15.05 | dylanm | I think the latter is the one that'll return -1, no? |
| 17:15.25 | Bela|work | GetMerchantItemInfo's 4th return is always either -1 (for unlimited) or the actual number of the limited supply |
| 17:15.50 | Bela|work | err |
| 17:15.53 | Bela|work | 5th return |
| 17:15.53 | Gotai | Also, the macro breaks if you don't have the item. So maybe h=GetItemCount(i)or0 |
| 17:15.55 | Bela|work | not 4th |
| 17:16.37 | dylanm | Wait, it doesn't return 0 if you don't have any? |
| 17:16.39 | dylanm | That's stupid. |
| 17:16.41 | Gotai | Looks like it |
| 17:17.08 | Gotai | Although it might be related to local cache |
| 17:17.10 | dylanm | I guess they wanted the boolean tests to be short or something. Who knows. |
| 17:17.15 | Gotai | *shrug* |
| 17:17.22 | Bela|work | hmm |
| 17:17.44 | Bela|work | I dont see why it would matter for boolean on GetItemCount |
| 17:17.47 | Gotai | Yeah, itemcache issue,sorry. |
| 17:17.55 | Bela|work | Since ther eis already HasItem |
| 17:18.05 | dylanm | Bela|work: Oh. Didn't know. Haven't done bag stuff in a while :p |
| 17:18.14 | Gotai | That said, I'd add the or0 anyway, as people might log in with 0 in inventory, in which case it'd return nil. |
| 17:19.00 | Polarina | Gotai: You can't do 'or0'. It has to be 'or 0' |
| 17:19.23 | Gotai | My spacebar isbroken ;) |
| 17:19.29 | dylanm | I thought they were trying to save themselves the hardship of if GetItemCount("Greaves of Pacification") == 0. |
| 17:19.30 | Gotai | Only works half the time, so bear withme |
| 17:19.39 | dylanm | Bear force one. |
| 17:20.10 | Bela|work | still need to figure something out for GetMerchantItemInfo |
| 17:20.44 | Bela|work | could do an if |
| 17:20.48 | Bela|work | but that sooks |
| 17:20.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Argh - how does one get the current time and date in WoW? Millisecond precision not required, but seconds would be nice |
| 17:21.05 | Gotai | Well, for single items replacing min(q,n) by just n seems to work. |
| 17:21.21 | Gotai | Dunno about larger quantities. Don'tknow if it'd break something else. |
| 17:21.43 | Bela|work | wouldn't be n anyway |
| 17:21.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Err, time() |
| 17:21.58 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 17:22.19 | Gotai | s-h%s then |
| 17:23.36 | Gotai | Dunno really, as I don't understand what that does, so I'm just trial-and-erroring ;) |
| 17:26.04 | Gotai | Got to figure out what's causing the Internal Bag Error really |
| 17:26.15 | foxlit | http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=145 |
| 17:28.27 | ScytheBlade1 | I need to figure out what is causing my excessive UI reload time.. |
| 17:28.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Er ha |
| 17:28.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Probably my 15MB database of GUIDs |
| 17:28.45 | ScytheBlade1 | I really need to turn that off |
| 17:29.05 | Gotai | Ah, apparently you can't buy more than 1 stack at once. Buying four stacks of 5 is alright, >4 = error. |
| 17:29.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah... I remember that I have it running in two different times |
| 17:29.33 | ScytheBlade1 | One, when I reload my UI a lot |
| 17:29.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Two, when I AoE in kara |
| 17:29.42 | Bela|work | pastamancer: did you test your change? |
| 17:29.53 | Bela|work | lua complains about it |
| 17:30.03 | widgertick | You should make whatever reload shortcut you use disable that addon by name =P |
| 17:30.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Or just disable it for good, as it has served its purpose |
| 17:30.48 | Bela|work | Gotai: the code I had only tried to buy a stack at a time I though |
| 17:31.49 | Shirik | http://www.osnews.com/images/comics/wtfm.jpg |
| 17:31.51 | ScytheBlade1 | widgertick: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/86554 |
| 17:31.58 | ScytheBlade1 | widgertick: tell me if you can see why I would lag when I AoE ;D |
| 17:32.07 | pastamancer | Bela|work: no, I'm at work |
| 17:32.23 | Gotai | Using your last change I get an internal bag error when I use it for an item sold in lots of 5 |
| 17:32.23 | pastamancer | it might need a semicolon |
| 17:32.45 | Bela|work | lots of 5? |
| 17:32.51 | Gotai | Yeah, so when q = 5 |
| 17:33.02 | Gotai | And for single items it buys one. |
| 17:33.42 | Bela|work | if q = 5, and you can hold more than 5 in a stack, it should only buy 5 |
| 17:34.22 | Bela|work | the only problem I see with it is when q = -1 |
| 17:34.29 | Gotai | Doesn't work for me. Just throws a bag error in my face. |
| 17:34.35 | Gotai | Which I don't get |
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| 17:34.59 | Bela|work | I ned to throw this into a function and try it from there |
| 17:35.18 | Gotai | Dumping min(q,s-h%s) returns 1 as expected. |
| 17:35.40 | Gotai | BuyMerchantItem(3, 1) works just fine, and yet it fails in the macro.. |
| 17:37.05 | Gotai | How about BuyMerchantItem(c, ceil((s-h%s)/q)) |
| 17:37.11 | Bela|work | why is 1 expected? |
| 17:37.46 | Gotai | Err.. made sense in my head at the time |
| 17:37.49 | durcyn | why not just use freerefills or something :o |
| 17:37.52 | Gotai | Now that you mention it, I don't know ^^ |
| 17:38.07 | Bela|work | ceil isn't going to help you on that |
| 17:38.29 | Gotai | Then remove it and just use (s-h%s)/q |
| 17:38.38 | foxlit | Swing: because you always wanted to spend a disproportionate amount of time writing your UI :) |
| 17:38.40 | Bela|work | why? |
| 17:38.43 | Gotai | (s-h%s) is the amount needed to fill up the stack right? |
| 17:38.49 | Bela|work | what if q = -1? |
| 17:39.39 | Gotai | Okay, then I don't understand where the 1 comes from :P |
| 17:39.39 | Fisker- | i'm rawring at you cog|work |
| 17:39.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone know if the Trade Skill UI is secure or not? (should I be using hooksecurefunc() for it?) |
| 17:40.32 | Industrial | http://tinyurl.com/5agalz |
| 17:40.52 | cog|work | Frisker-: pourquois? |
| 17:41.04 | Crysli|food | Industrial: Rofl |
| 17:42.00 | cog|work | Industrial: shouldn't they be pretty equal? |
| 17:42.10 | Gotai | Bela|work: Meh, it seems I was clicking the wrong macro. It does return 5 properly. Which is the problem, because you can't buy 5 in one go. |
| 17:42.11 | cog|work | or at least proportional to the size of the prhase |
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| 17:42.32 | cog|work | and the two pinks aren't really differentiated very well |
| 17:42.50 | Gotai | Hence why I figured it'd work if you divided by q. |
| 17:42.56 | Ben | ~imagehosting |
| 17:42.56 | purl | methinks imagehosting is http://images.gammatester.com/ by the courtesy of cladhaire |
| 17:43.29 | Kaso | wow, that says gamma tester |
| 17:43.53 | Kaso | the first thing i saw was a horrificly spelt "game master" |
| 17:44.20 | cladhaire | lol |
| 17:44.21 | Saint-N | wheeeeeeeee |
| 17:44.30 | Saint-N | i get to play with some hp pc-e machines |
| 17:44.45 | Crysli | Saint-N: Is it a play date? |
| 17:45.31 | Gotai | Ah, and that ceil() was there because (s-h%s)/q can return 1.5 or smth, in which case you'd want to buy 2 instead. Otherwise it just buys 1 stack and not fill the stack up. |
| 17:45.42 | Gotai | Just trying to understand my logic again ^^ |
| 17:45.52 | Saint-N | Crysli: yup! |
| 17:45.59 | Crysli | Cute. |
| 17:46.11 | Bela|work | abs((s-h%s)/q) fixes the problem of -1 as q, but it doesn't solve the problem of q being a limited supply |
| 17:46.15 | Saint-N | they're the mini-itx from hp about 9x9x4 |
| 17:46.26 | Saint-N | piii-833's with 512mb |
| 17:46.56 | Bela|work | Gotai: why wouldn't you be able to buy 5 in one go? |
| 17:47.17 | Gotai | *shrug* Ask Slouken |
| 17:47.27 | Gotai | It just generates an Internal Bag Error |
| 17:47.33 | Gotai | You can only buy 1 stack worth |
| 17:47.49 | Bela|work | wait |
| 17:47.51 | Bela|work | I am confused |
| 17:48.09 | Hirsute | This macro shouldn't ever be trying to buy more than one stack worth, should it? |
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| 17:48.13 | Bela|work | you are talking about the following scenario no? you can have a stack of more than 5, but the vendor only gives you 5 |
| 17:48.27 | Bela|work | correct Hirsute |
| 17:48.34 | Gotai | http://wowi.pastey.net/86555 |
| 17:48.40 | Gotai | That seems to work properly for me. |
| 17:48.58 | Bela|work | dont use ceil |
| 17:49.03 | Bela|work | for the love of god |
| 17:49.17 | Gotai | I explained earlier why I use that |
| 17:49.46 | Bela|work | ok tell me this |
| 17:49.48 | Bela|work | what is s |
| 17:49.58 | Bela|work | in your example |
| 17:50.00 | Gotai | Stackszie |
| 17:50.03 | Gotai | *size |
| 17:50.03 | Bela|work | no |
| 17:50.06 | Bela|work | the number |
| 17:50.15 | Bela|work | how many of those spices fit in a stack |
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| 17:51.08 | Gotai | Last time I executed s=20 |
| 17:51.49 | Bela|work | I see your problem |
| 17:51.52 | Bela|work | get rid of ceil |
| 17:51.54 | Gotai | I don't have a problem |
| 17:52.02 | Gotai | As I said, this one works for me. |
| 17:52.05 | Bela|work | and change m,_,_,q to m,_,_,_,q |
| 17:52.12 | Bela|work | q should be the 5th return, not the 4th |
| 17:52.15 | Gotai | Both for 1 and for 5. |
| 17:52.26 | Bela|work | the 4th is how many can be bought at a time |
| 17:52.35 | Bela|work | 5th is how much in supply |
| 17:52.41 | Bela|work | which is what this macro is meant to check |
| 17:53.46 | Gotai | Anyway, explain to me what's wrong the ceil() there, as you seem to have a problem with it. |
| 17:54.19 | Gotai | Because without it, say you have 12 and vendor sells in stacks of 5. It will only get 1 stack so you end up with 17. |
| 17:54.41 | Bela|work | it works for your specific situation I guess, but it won't work if you change the item and try to buy something that is bought in 1s |
| 17:54.44 | Gotai | With ceil() it rounds that 1.something to 2, and you end up with 22. Which is what I want. |
| 17:55.04 | Gotai | But it does |
| 17:55.48 | Gotai | Anyway, dinner's calling. Back in a bit |
| 17:56.00 | Crysli|away | Dinner <3 |
| 17:56.01 | Bela|work | it doesn't work |
| 17:56.09 | Crysli|away | I had Chinese |
| 17:56.13 | Bela|work | not if I am getting the 5th return |
| 17:56.16 | Bela|work | which is what I had intended |
| 17:59.18 | cladhaire | If anyone is going to purchase the new book online, but hasn't yet.. I'd appreciate if you could use our amazon online store: http://astore.amazon.com/worofwarproag-20. |
| 17:59.41 | ScytheBlade1 | cladhaire: I just did... through the ~wowprogramming link, heh |
| 17:59.55 | cladhaire | heh, i should change that link :P |
| 18:00.06 | ScytheBlade1 | You should |
| 18:00.09 | ScytheBlade1 | ~wowprogramming |
| 18:00.10 | purl | methinks wowprogramming is World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons, a book written by Cladhaire, Kaelten and Cogwheel. It serves as a technical reference for the WoW API and customization system (Due out May 5, 2008). http://tinyurl.com/2vtlya |
| 18:01.03 | cog|work | And *I'd* appreciate it if you could use the link from http://cogwheel.info ;) |
| 18:01.04 | ScytheBlade1 | cladhaire: as in, under an hour ago just did |
| 18:01.08 | cog|work | <.< |
| 18:01.11 | ScytheBlade1 | As did Duman |
| 18:01.13 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 18:01.25 | cladhaire | ~wowprogramming |
| 18:01.26 | purl | rumour has it, wowprogramming is World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons, a book written by Cladhaire, Kaelten and Cogwheel. It serves as a technical reference for the WoW API and customization system (Due out May 5, 2008). http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob |
| 18:03.02 | Bela|work | yay, I fixed it |
| 18:03.22 | cladhaire | Bela|work: what is "it"? |
| 18:03.39 | Bela|work | the macro |
| 18:04.55 | cladhaire | oh he |
| 18:04.57 | cladhaire | heh |
| 18:05.12 | Kaso | Im in a moany mood today; you know what else i hate? Applications that add themselves in the start menu as "Company Name" then have a sub folder for the produdct name, esp when its some obscure company ill never remember |
| 18:05.25 | cladhaire | so, for anyone who ordered the book via US amazon |
| 18:05.29 | cladhaire | can you, uh.. ping one of us when you get it |
| 18:05.36 | cladhaire | since no one has any clue when amazon is shipping it |
| 18:05.48 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 18:05.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Sure thing |
| 18:06.48 | sacarasc | is there a command to talk to an npc w/o having to click on them? |
| 18:06.57 | cladhaire | and i need to make the website live at that point |
| 18:06.57 | cladhaire | =/ |
| 18:07.38 | sacarasc | for my server just unlocked the new badge vendor, and i'd like to talk to her |
| 18:07.39 | ScytheBlade1 | sacarasc: no, sadly |
| 18:07.49 | Kaso | sacarasc, no but once the gossip menu is up you can interact with it |
| 18:07.52 | ScytheBlade1 | sacarasc: well there is, but it's protected |
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| 18:11.57 | Bela|work | I welcome criticism but: http://wowi.pastey.net/86557 |
| 18:12.39 | Bela|work | that should accurately acknowledge limited supply, items bought in sets, and unlimited supply |
| 18:12.52 | Gotai|Dinner | \o/ |
| 18:12.58 | Bela|work | so if a = -1 it will buy as much as you need to fill a stack |
| 18:13.08 | Gotai | Sorry for the confusion earlier, didn't realise you wanted to check for limited supply as well |
| 18:13.19 | Bela|work | if you dont it will complain |
| 18:13.54 | Gotai | Meh, the stuff I'd use it for is never limited. |
| 18:14.09 | Bela|work | polarina, stop tweaking lol |
| 18:14.19 | Polarina | Bela|work: Why? |
| 18:14.26 | Gotai | Found a space again did ya? :P |
| 18:14.52 | Bela|work | HAH, I beat you to it |
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| 18:18.03 | ralfWORK | I just got a spam with the subject line of "Set your wife on fire" |
| 18:18.40 | Shirik | Anyone here use the IDE netbeans? |
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| 18:21.29 | Bela|work | there is still an issue with that macro |
| 18:22.04 | Bela|work | I have 22 spices, and they stack to 20. You buy 5 at a time, and there is an unlimited supply |
| 18:22.12 | Bela|work | it returns 1 |
| 18:22.47 | Bela|work | which means I would end up with 27 total, not 37 like I should |
| 18:23.36 | Lukian | OMG OMG OMG |
| 18:23.43 | Lukian | wrong window :p |
| 18:24.33 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
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| 18:54.08 | Gotai | Bela|work: The only way I can think of is to set a to a really high number if it's -1. |
| 18:55.07 | Bela|work | I am already doing that |
| 18:55.16 | Gotai | There's probably a prettier solution but I can't come up with it. |
| 18:55.19 | Bela|work | but I want to test Polarina's change, because lua runtime says it doesn't work |
| 18:55.23 | Bela|work | but maybe it does in wow |
| 18:56.04 | Gotai | Which one? 86560? |
| 18:56.14 | Bela|work | according to Lua, you can't do m==1 and func(...) |
| 18:56.23 | Bela|work | err |
| 18:56.25 | Bela|work | m==i |
| 18:56.55 | Gotai | '=' expected near '==' |
| 18:56.58 | Gotai | In WoW |
| 18:57.00 | Bela|work | yup |
| 18:57.02 | Gotai | So I'd go with if. |
| 18:57.02 | Bela|work | same as lua |
| 18:57.33 | Polarina | lua> print( m==i or print("Ups...") ) |
| 18:57.34 | lua_bot | Polarina: true |
| 18:57.46 | Polarina | s/or/and/ |
| 18:58.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
| 18:58.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Play with addons more, or try and finish C&C3 |
| 18:59.25 | Polarina | ScytheBlade1: Cash & Conquer III ? |
| 18:59.58 | ScytheBlade1 | heh @ cash |
| 18:59.58 | Zootfizzle | lua> m = 4; i = 6; print( (m==i) or print("Ups...")) |
| 18:59.59 | lua_bot | Zootfizzle: Ups..., nil |
| 19:00.18 | ScytheBlade1 | I won't lie, (borderline) infinite resources kinda make a game suck |
| 19:00.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Turtle turtle turtle turtle --> win |
| 19:01.11 | Bela|work | lua> func=function() return true end m==1 do m==1 and func() end |
| 19:01.11 | lua_bot | Bela|work: luabot:1: '=' expected near '==' |
| 19:01.16 | Bela|work | there you go |
| 19:01.31 | Polarina | Bela|work: That's obviously incorrect. |
| 19:01.39 | Bela|work | and that is what you put |
| 19:01.41 | Bela|work | in the amcro |
| 19:01.53 | Polarina | Bela|work: You're comparing two values in a statement that does nothing else. |
| 19:02.07 | Bela|work | I repeat, that is what you did in your macro |
| 19:02.09 | Bela|work | hance it not working |
| 19:02.28 | Bela|work | I was merely reproducing it for you |
| 19:02.39 | Polarina | Uh.. No.. |
| 19:03.20 | Zootfizzle | FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT! |
| 19:03.21 | Bela|work | go make a macro with it then and tell me the wrror you get |
| 19:03.24 | Bela|work | if you think youa re right |
| 19:03.48 | Bela|work | and then yell at wow for being wrong |
| 19:04.01 | Polarina | Bela|work: I'll pastey the fix. |
| 19:04.11 | Bela|work | I already have the fix |
| 19:04.22 | Polarina | Bela|work: http://wowi.pastey.net/86568 |
| 19:04.29 | Bela|work | http://wowi.pastey.net/86569 |
| 19:04.35 | Polarina | Bela|work: Mine is shorter. |
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| 19:05.47 | Bela|work | did you test it in game? |
| 19:05.51 | Bela|work | because lua still errors |
| 19:06.04 | Polarina | Bela|work: At least not from a syntax error. |
| 19:06.34 | Bela|work | stdin: syntax error near 'and' |
| 19:07.20 | Polarina | Bela|work: I don't get that error when I copy&paste my version of the macro. |
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| 19:08.37 | Bela|work | in the end mine works. I will test yours as well, but it doesn't matter since the argument is pointless |
| 19:08.51 | Polarina | Ok. :) |
| 19:10.47 | Bela|work | does BuyMerchantItem return true? |
| 19:11.08 | Gotai | No |
| 19:11.26 | Gotai | And Polarina, yours gives me an error ingame. |
| 19:11.30 | Bela|work | I dont get it Polarina. I cannot reproduce what you did in lua |
| 19:11.37 | Bela|work | it always throws an error |
| 19:12.24 | Bela|work | lua> function test() return true; end m==1 do (m==1) and test() end |
| 19:12.24 | lua_bot | Bela|work: luabot:1: '=' expected near '==' |
| 19:12.31 | Bela|work | oops |
| 19:12.43 | Bela|work | lua> function test() return true; end m=1 do (m==1) and test() end |
| 19:12.43 | lua_bot | Bela|work: luabot:1: syntax error near 'and' |
| 19:13.10 | Polarina | lua> function test() return true end do (m==1) and test() end |
| 19:13.11 | lua_bot | Polarina: luabot:1: syntax error near 'and' |
| 19:13.12 | Bela|work | tell me what I did different from yours |
| 19:13.21 | Polarina | o.O |
| 19:13.37 | Bela|work | you are comparing m to 1, but there is no m |
| 19:13.39 | Bela|work | for beginners |
| 19:13.48 | dylanm | No but that's okay. |
| 19:13.57 | Bela|work | regardless it should still work if the syntax was right |
| 19:14.37 | Bela|work | function test() return true end do if m==1 and test() then print("success") end |
| 19:14.39 | Polarina | lua> function test() return true end (m==1) and test() |
| 19:14.40 | lua_bot | Polarina: luabot:1: syntax error near 'and' |
| 19:14.43 | Polarina | o.O |
| 19:14.53 | dylanm | The little boolean trick you're doing is not okay. Not unless you assign it. |
| 19:14.55 | Bela|work | lua> function test() return true end do if m==1 and test() then print("success") end |
| 19:14.55 | lua_bot | Bela|work: luabot:1: 'end' expected near '<eof>' |
| 19:14.59 | Bela|work | doh |
| 19:15.07 | Bela|work | lua> function test() return true end do if m==1 and test() then print("success") end end |
| 19:15.08 | lua_bot | Bela|work: No output |
| 19:15.08 | Polarina | dylanm: Doh... :( |
| 19:15.27 | dylanm | Or if you use it as a test, yeah. I've tried that before :p |
| 19:17.01 | Bela|work | I think I will keep http://wowi.pastey.net/86569 |
| 19:17.04 | Bela|work | it works |
| 19:17.17 | Bela|work | not the shortest thing in the world but meh |
| 19:17.32 | Bela|work | unless you can think of other things to shorten |
| 19:17.50 | Bela|work | is there a shortcut to math.huge? |
| 19:17.59 | Bela|work | in wow |
| 19:18.07 | Polarina | Bela|work: 1/0 |
| 19:18.42 | Gotai | Aye, and also change a==-1 to a<0 |
| 19:19.18 | Bela|work | http://wowi.pastey.net/86571 |
| 19:22.25 | Gotai | Works like a charm. :) |
| 19:22.30 | Polarina | Bela|work: Does this work http://wowi.pastey.net/86572 ? |
| 19:24.33 | Gotai | Looks like it. |
| 19:26.04 | Bela|work | seems to |
| 19:26.09 | Bela|work | and we can probably get rid of abs |
| 19:26.19 | Gotai | Yes |
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| 19:28.03 | Tentacled | doesn't it? |
| 19:29.16 | Bela|work | Polarina: http://wowi.pastey.net/86574 |
| 19:29.19 | dylanm | I seem to remember it not working on some platforms. |
| 19:29.55 | Tentacled | Hmm. Patch knowledge mongers, has something changed in 2.4 regarding the order in which addons are loaded..? I'm getting confusing errors, as if some other addons weren't even loaded yet, when my addons are already in the enabling phase (using Ace or Rock libs)... |
| 19:30.28 | dylanm | Be more specific. |
| 19:30.36 | krka | change math.huge to 1e9? |
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| 19:31.02 | Shirik | it does, Polarina |
| 19:31.20 | dylanm | Wait why do we need math.huge here |
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| 19:31.42 | Tentacled | I'm referencing Cartographer_Notes in the OnEnabled event of my addon, and up until 2.3 it was enough - by then C_Notes were already initialized, if not enabled. I have now gotten a report that in 2.4 C_Notes is nil, when I'm already enabling (not initializing anymore) my addon... |
| 19:31.51 | Shirik | Tentacled: There never was a guarantee over the order in which addons are loaded, except for dependency walking |
| 19:32.25 | Tentacled | Ace used to first Initialize all addons, then Enable them once all were initialized. And I believe that couldn't have changed. |
| 19:32.29 | Shirik | the fact that it worked on one computer does not mean other computers will follow the same. In particular, it can vary greatly based on filesystem used |
| 19:32.46 | Shirik | Tentacled: You still need to specify the dependencies in the TOC file |
| 19:32.48 | dylanm | Tentacled: Are you not using OptDepts? |
| 19:32.59 | dylanm | Er, well, hard deps in this case. |
| 19:33.03 | cncfanatics | hello peeps |
| 19:33.28 | Tentacled | I'm depending on Cartographer... Mayyybe it hasn't loaded its on demand modules at that point yet... |
| 19:33.42 | Shirik | why wouldn't you defend on Cartographer_Notes? |
| 19:33.44 | Shirik | depend* |
| 19:33.47 | Tentacled | but I cannot put Cartographer_Notes in the dependencies, since it's not a separate addon. |
| 19:33.54 | Shirik | it's not? |
| 19:34.03 | dylanm | Naw. |
| 19:34.15 | Tentacled | it lives inside Cartographer. |
| 19:34.19 | Shirik | my mind just exploded |
| 19:34.23 | Shirik | I'm going to go away now |
| 19:34.26 | cladhaire | lol |
| 19:34.31 | dylanm | How are you acquiring it |
| 19:35.24 | Tentacled | I used to just reference the "Cartographer_Notes" global in my onenabled function, by then C_Notes should have passed their initialize phase. |
| 19:35.57 | Tentacled | Heck, it should've at least been loaded, as the global is created in toplevel code. |
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| 19:36.30 | Tentacled | My addon is going through its enable phase when not all addons have been loaded yet, and this puzzles me greatly. |
| 19:36.52 | dylanm | The object is nil? |
| 19:36.58 | Tentacled | According to Ace docs, the Enable phase happens only after all addons are loaded. |
| 19:37.01 | Tentacled | Yup. |
| 19:37.25 | Tentacled | Hell, even the Initialize phase is past loading all. |
| 19:37.38 | dylanm | No I mean it ought to exist. I don't think you can count on its OnEnable being run already though. And you probably ought to be acquiring it through the Rock addon/module APIs but who cares |
| 19:38.11 | Tentacled | If Cartographer_Notes is nil, then Cartographer:GetModule something will surely dump a nil on my head as well. |
| 19:38.40 | dylanm | Just noting... why would it be nil though... |
| 19:38.48 | dylanm | Notes works in-game though/ |
| 19:39.03 | Tentacled | After, yes. |
| 19:39.22 | Tentacled | Thus my question again: has something been changed with load-on-demand functionality in 2.4..? |
| 19:39.49 | Bela|work | not that I am aware of |
| 19:40.07 | dylanm | Have you tried forcing it to load? :p |
| 19:40.09 | Shirik | no, but I repeat that there was never a guarantee aside from dependency walking |
| 19:40.37 | dylanm | But he has a dependency on the only possible addon. One hopes it can work somehow. |
| 19:40.39 | Tentacled | Shirik: that's why Rock or Ace developed their Initialize/Enable phases, to allow for addons waiting for all others to load. |
| 19:40.42 | kergoth | Gngsk: ping |
| 19:40.59 | Shirik | Then why would you assume it's a Blizzard change instead of a Rock/Ace change? |
| 19:41.18 | Tentacled | Shirik: I'm not assuming, merely querying. :) |
| 19:41.37 | kergoth | if you're depending on an addon thats LoD, you should use LoadWith, or wait for its ADDON_LOADED, in case it gets loaded post-PLAYER_LOGIN, no? |
| 19:41.38 | Tentacled | And there hasn't been any change to code that I have not myself applied, I'm pretty sure of that :) |
| 19:41.52 | Shirik | kergoth: His problem is that it's "modular" |
| 19:41.57 | Shirik | but not its own folder |
| 19:42.00 | dylanm | Digging through the code. |
| 19:42.02 | Shirik | how they managed that I have no idea |
| 19:42.08 | dylanm | If he calls this thing too late then we have an issue... |
| 19:42.14 | dylanm | Cartographer:LoadLoadOnDemandModules() I mean. |
| 19:42.23 | Shirik | so it's not a separate addon but it's separate >< |
| 19:42.33 | dylanm | Oh wait nevermind. |
| 19:42.38 | dylanm | It's not separate. I keep thinking that it is. |
| 19:43.12 | Tentacled | I need to read up on the addon-within-addon directory-based scheme, that's one sure thing. |
| 19:43.36 | dylanm | Tentacled: Do you have it within the Cartographer/Cartographer_Notes directory or is it split out? |
| 19:43.41 | ScytheBlade1 | asdf this mission is hard :( |
| 19:43.44 | dylanm | Some addon updaters can do that. |
| 19:43.51 | Tentacled | dylanm: my addon is completely separate. |
| 19:44.00 | dylanm | I mean Cartographer_Notes. |
| 19:44.02 | dylanm | Where is it. |
| 19:44.06 | dylanm | Because you can make it top-level. |
| 19:44.13 | Tentacled | dylanm: C_Notes is in Cartographer, and has its own .toc there, and all. |
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| 19:44.51 | Tekkub | Dolby, http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8774-1.0.html |
| 19:45.01 | Tekkub | think that's not in the right cat |
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| 19:49.28 | Bela|work | Tekkub: I moved it |
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| 19:49.37 | Tekkub | yatta! |
| 19:49.42 | Bela|work | Comps > Generic |
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| 19:58.11 | Atriace | I can't find the documentation on setting text string colors within Lua on either wowwiki or lua.org. Somebody know where I can find it? |
| 19:58.28 | Atriace | e.g. |cffffff00Color|r |
| 19:58.57 | MentalPower | Atriace: http://www.wowwiki.com/UI_Escape_Sequences |
| 19:59.11 | Atriace | lol |
| 19:59.34 | Atriace | wow... I thought it was |cRRGGBBAA not |cAARRGGBB |
| 19:59.41 | Zootfizzle | Hehe |
| 19:59.50 | Atriace | No wonder my colors were all off. |
| 19:59.52 | foxlit | something actually respects the alpha? |
| 20:00.12 | Atriace | Thanks, mental |
| 20:00.44 | MentalPower | foxlit: negative, I was about to edit that page |
| 20:00.51 | MentalPower | alpha is ignored |
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| 20:09.28 | Kaso | Windows Virtual PC 2004 wont install in Windows XP 64bit >.< |
| 20:09.35 | Shirik | :< |
| 20:09.43 | Kaso | Microsoft products that dont work on microsoft OSes irritate me |
| 20:09.59 | Kaso | Live Messenger doesn't work either |
| 20:10.05 | Shirik | ? |
| 20:10.15 | Kaso | live messenger, hates 64bit |
| 20:10.22 | Shirik | I have no problems on Vista |
| 20:10.31 | Zootfizzle | You must not use it. |
| 20:10.38 | Shirik | :P |
| 20:10.48 | Polarina | I knew Microsoft is working on performing a suicide. I knew it... |
| 20:10.53 | Kaso | apps have to work on 64 bit to be vista certified or whatever |
| 20:11.06 | Shirik | welllll |
| 20:11.08 | Kaso | they dont for window xp, so loads of stuff doesnt work on winxp 64 |
| 20:11.19 | Shirik | get vista :P |
| 20:11.44 | Kaso | Infact the whole point of me installing Virtual PC was so i could throw a VM with vista on for my iTunes and other stuff that doesnt work on windowxp64 |
| 20:11.45 | Polarina | Shirik: Too expensive with negative gains. |
| 20:11.46 | zenzelezz | I'll get Vista the day the US get a sensible foreign policy |
| 20:11.49 | Zootfizzle | I do have to say, in all honesty, I can't understand why anyone would use 64-bit XP over 64-bit Vista |
| 20:11.50 | Shirik | and actually their new theories on certification is very annoying |
| 20:12.03 | Shirik | but you can disable them |
| 20:12.11 | Zootfizzle | You don't lose anything and you gain a ton. |
| 20:12.21 | Kaso | i loose about a gig of ram :< |
| 20:12.21 | Zootfizzle | IMNSHO ;) |
| 20:12.22 | Kaso | hah |
| 20:12.23 | Polarina | Zootfizzle: You lose a ton, you meant. |
| 20:12.31 | zenzelezz | Zootfizzle: some people simply don't like the changes in Vista |
| 20:12.32 | Zootfizzle | Polarina: Yes, that's why I type tha... oh, wait. |
| 20:12.45 | Kaso | Zootfizzle, i tried to install vista 4 times, each time failed in new and unique way, so i was put off |
| 20:12.45 | Shirik | Polarina: I haven't regretted switching to Vista in the slightest |
| 20:12.47 | Zootfizzle | s/type/typed/ |
| 20:13.05 | Shirik | the problem is when stupid programmers don't know how to make stuff work for vista, even though it's been a published best practice for YEARS |
| 20:13.15 | Shirik | such as using %APPDATA% instead of the program files directory to store information |
| 20:13.24 | Bela|work | There is a 64bit version of VMWare |
| 20:13.26 | Bela|work | last I heard |
| 20:13.27 | Polarina | Shirik: The license for Vista is very restrictive. They even have different restrictions for each version of Vista (Home Premium, Ultimate, etc.) |
| 20:13.45 | Shirik | Polarina: The license for WoW is very restrictive. What's your point? |
| 20:13.55 | Polarina | Shirik: Vista is more restrictive. |
| 20:13.57 | Zootfizzle | And people in this channel probably ignore both. Yay! |
| 20:13.58 | ralfWORK | Shirik: wasn't that the arguement MS has been using for years btw? |
| 20:14.10 | Polarina | Zootfizzle: :) |
| 20:14.17 | Shirik | ralfWORK: ? |
| 20:14.19 | Saint-N | we dont ignore them for the most part |
| 20:14.22 | ralfWORK | "windows is stable; it's the drivers that other people write that aren't" |
| 20:14.24 | Kaso | Bela|work, i get Virtual PC free over msdnaa though >.< vmware i have to pay for |
| 20:14.28 | Zootfizzle | Specious arguments are specious =P |
| 20:14.30 | Shirik | that's not what I'm saying ralfWORK |
| 20:14.35 | Saint-N | ignoring would imply we care enough to read and know them |
| 20:14.49 | Zootfizzle | If you fail to read it, you're ignoring it. |
| 20:14.51 | Saint-N | im completely ignorant of them and have no intentions of correcting that |
| 20:14.58 | Shirik | I'm saying that people are giving Microsoft crap because programs don't work (not drivers, programs), and my take on it is if you're going to write a program to work with someone's OS, you better damn well know what the designer's intentions of the OS were |
| 20:15.14 | Saint-N | or im forgetful ;P |
| 20:15.15 | Shirik | And since windows 2000, Microsoft has said to use %APPDATA% |
| 20:15.32 | Shirik | And since windows 2000, net admins have been bashing stupid programmers because they can't get their programs to work on a network due to failure to do this |
| 20:15.32 | Zootfizzle | Never said you were maliciously ignoring it =P |
| 20:15.34 | Saint-N | i keep meaning tor ead it but lethargy generally takes prescident |
| 20:15.38 | Polarina | I'm off optimising FrameXML. |
| 20:15.47 | ralfWORK | Shirik: I'm with ya, I think that makes them pretty idiotic |
| 20:15.49 | Saint-N | im kidding i am maliciously ignoring it heh |
| 20:16.06 | Saint-N | if i dont read it it cant hurt me |
| 20:16.07 | Zootfizzle | It's good to have hobbies... |
| 20:16.27 | Saint-N | i coolect large flightless birds ;) |
| 20:16.31 | Saint-N | collect |
| 20:16.45 | ralfWORK | Saint-N: if you don't read it, it doesn't exist right ;) |
| 20:16.46 | Saint-N | oh speaking of, antrix is actually in the freebsd ports collection now |
| 20:16.51 | Saint-N | ralk yup |
| 20:16.54 | Saint-N | ralf |
| 20:17.00 | ralfWORK | if I close my eyes, you can't see me |
| 20:17.00 | Saint-N | just like i am crushing your head |
| 20:17.03 | Saint-N | crush crush |
| 20:17.12 | Shirik | Revision: 184 Author: delbuono Date: 3:59:16 PM, Friday, April 25, 2008 |
| 20:17.12 | Shirik | Message: I really don't believe that it works, but it does. Fixed a tiny issue with forgetting to call stabilize() from C++. |
| 20:17.12 | Shirik | ... wow. |
| 20:17.22 | Shirik | <3 making stuff work without knowing why |
| 20:17.40 | Saint-N | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:17.43 | ralfWORK | idk what stabilize() does |
| 20:17.53 | Shirik | stabilize is a function I made |
| 20:17.54 | ralfWORK | heh that's odd though |
| 20:17.57 | ralfWORK | ohhh ahahahah |
| 20:18.05 | Shirik | that wasn't what fixed it though |
| 20:18.10 | Shirik | and we don't know really why it works |
| 20:18.16 | ralfWORK | I have plenty of comments I've made in other people's code that goes like this: |
| 20:18.18 | Shirik | stabilize() was just another issue |
| 20:18.35 | Polarina | I just run make_it_happen() |
| 20:18.45 | ralfWORK | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:19.06 | ralfWORK | I found one today actually |
| 20:19.23 | MentalPower | Kaso: VirtualPC is free now, MSDN-AA or not |
| 20:19.36 | Kaso | Oh really? |
| 20:19.37 | ralfWORK | Virtual Piece of Crap |
| 20:19.38 | ralfWORK | lol |
| 20:19.43 | Kaso | didnt know that |
| 20:20.05 | MentalPower | ralfWORK: works perfectly, and its free |
| 20:20.10 | ScytheBlade1 | After reading up |
| 20:20.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Zoot, for what it is worth, 64 Vista > 64 XP ;) |
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| 20:20.53 | Polarina | 64-bit GNU/Linux > 64-bit Vista⢠|
| 20:20.57 | kd3 | ^ |
| 20:21.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Well don't get me wrong |
| 20:21.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.23.17-linode43 #1 Wed Mar 5 13:57:22 EST 2008 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux |
| 20:21.20 | ScytheBlade1 | But just the same, good luck avoiding windows entirely |
| 20:22.15 | ralfWORK | osx 64bit > * |
| 20:22.25 | Zootfizzle | Granted, most people who even know why they want a 64-bit OS would prefer Linux. |
| 20:22.34 | Polarina | Zootfizzle: You think so..., but no. |
| 20:22.49 | Zootfizzle | Polarina: Call me crazy, but your blythe assertion is a weak argument. |
| 20:22.57 | ScytheBlade1 | "To each their own." |
| 20:23.01 | Polarina | Zootfizzle: I'm crazy. |
| 20:23.12 | Zootfizzle | As long as it's not me. |
| 20:23.33 | Zootfizzle | XD |
| 20:23.49 | Polarina | Anything for a gnome. ;) |
| 20:23.53 | ralfWORK | pfft |
| 20:23.59 | durcyn | something tells me windows wouldn't enjoy its current market share if every OEM didn't ship a copy with each box they move |
| 20:24.16 | ralfWORK | durcyn: agreed. your point? :P |
| 20:24.49 | durcyn | ralfWORK: the obvious one that market share = no reason to code for other platforms, basically |
| 20:24.52 | durcyn | anyway |
| 20:24.57 | durcyn | gnomes > |
| 20:25.04 | Shirik | Zoot|afk: I want a 64 bit OS so when my programs segfault, it starts with 0x0000000 |
| 20:25.07 | ralfWORK | oh actually it does though |
| 20:25.09 | ralfWORK | and that sucks |
| 20:25.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: epic reasoning. I like. ;) |
| 20:25.30 | Shirik | Like this one: |
| 20:25.32 | Shirik | First-chance exception at 0x0284ada9 in java.exe: 0xC0000005: Access violation reading location 0x0000000000000070. |
| 20:25.36 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 20:25.38 | ralfWORK | hhahahah |
| 20:26.28 | ScytheBlade1 | /bin/bash: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
| 20:26.31 | zenzelezz | you're not guaranteed that it'll start that low. It's likely, but not guaranteed |
| 20:26.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Mmmm 64-bit |
| 20:26.52 | ralfWORK | just seeing java.exe makes me cringe |
| 20:26.52 | zenzelezz | Windows 64-bit processes can utilize 8 TB of the 16 exabyte address space |
| 20:26.55 | Shirik | zenzelezz: Well it's likely :P |
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| 20:27.45 | Shirik | keep in mind that dumps will not show the raw memory location |
| 20:27.50 | Shirik | they'll show the relative location |
| 20:28.08 | Shirik | so unless my program for some reason uses more than 4GB of memory, I shouldn't hit the second dword |
| 20:28.18 | zenzelezz | that's why I say it's unlikely |
| 20:28.23 | zenzelezz | but it's still entirely possible |
| 20:28.36 | ralfWORK | "I don't see why any application would ever need more than 8TB of memory" |
| 20:28.47 | Shirik | *20 years later* |
| 20:28.50 | ralfWORK | :D |
| 20:28.58 | Shirik | "Remember that time ralfWORK said that programs would never need more than 8TB of memory?" |
| 20:29.02 | Shirik | "Yeah lol what a noob" |
| 20:29.02 | ralfWORK | AHAHAHAHAH |
| 20:29.20 | zenzelezz | not like it's any problem though ralf, they can just extend the size. As I said, 64-bit means they have a maximum of 16 exabytes to work with |
| 20:29.34 | Zoot|afk | I don't see why applications that need more than 8TB would ever use Windows Vista ;) |
| 20:29.49 | zenzelezz | Zoot|afk: well, Vista does take a lot of memory |
| 20:30.11 | Polarina | Zoot|afk: You know that after Windows Winnie, they are going to write their OS from SCRATCH? |
| 20:30.13 | Zoot|afk | Just to satisfy the MS haters, I said applications, not virii |
| 20:30.18 | ralfWORK | zenzelezz: buy a sense of humor |
| 20:30.31 | zenzelezz | ralfWORK: I have one, it's just incompatible with most others |
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| 20:30.42 | zenzelezz | and I'm an MS fan overall; I just dislike Vista |
| 20:30.48 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 20:30.50 | ralfWORK | zenzelezz: either that or l2geek more |
| 20:31.31 | zenzelezz | ralfWORK: why, just because I didn't find your 640k reference the pinnacle of modern humor? |
| 20:31.39 | ralfWORK | yep, that |
| 20:32.09 | ralfWORK | :) |
| 20:32.12 | kd3 | bah... want to get off the clock so I can start drinking |
| 20:32.34 | ralfWORK | kd3: no beerthirty there? |
| 20:32.44 | kd3 | if only |
| 20:33.18 | *** join/#wowuidev foxlit (n=foxlit@0x573e6bae.alb2nxx18.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 20:34.06 | Saint-N | i'd say there's something wrong if we're all in this channel 20 years from now ;) |
| 20:34.38 | zenzelezz | I find your lack of faith disturbing |
| 20:35.03 | Polarina | Saint-N: I'm sure World of Warcraft IV will run with Lua 7.3 |
| 20:35.43 | haste | for some reason... that made me think of red hat |
| 20:35.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Saint-N: jinx |
| 20:35.51 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 20:36.15 | foxlit | psst, lua versions have been in logarithmic growth mode recently |
| 20:36.23 | foxlit | 7.3 isn't going to happen :) |
| 20:36.27 | haste | 7.3 was the last version I used, so probably because of it |
| 20:36.43 | ScytheBlade1 | There. 7.3. |
| 20:36.49 | Zoot|afk | GASP! |
| 20:36.52 | Zoot|afk | It's the future! |
| 20:36.55 | Zoot|afk | Everything looks the same... |
| 20:37.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Better update the WoW core quick Zoot! |
| 20:37.03 | haste | no it doesn't! |
| 20:37.06 | haste | the version number i shigher |
| 20:37.07 | ScytheBlade1 | It now features LuaSocket! |
| 20:37.16 | Polarina | ScytheBlade1: No, stop. |
| 20:37.36 | Polarina | ScytheBlade1: Write your own LuaSocket wrapper over SendAddonMessage. |
| 20:37.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Aww :( |
| 20:37.40 | foxlit | wonder what they're working on, actually |
| 20:37.49 | foxlit | JIT & coroutines? |
| 20:38.18 | Polarina | foxlit: Multi-threaded Lua environment and running 'sed s/this/self/' on their FrameXML code. |
| 20:38.29 | foxlit | Not them |
| 20:38.37 | foxlit | _them_ |
| 20:38.47 | Polarina | Whom? |
| 20:38.50 | foxlit | [lua developers vs Blizzard] |
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| 20:39.24 | Polarina | foxlit: They are raiding Black Temple together, without really knowing about it. |
| 20:42.33 | batrick | wut is goin on |
| 20:46.31 | kd3 | gah, scary what happened to the soyuz last week |
| 20:49.04 | deltron | eh? |
| 20:49.55 | kd3 | http://www.universetoday.com/2008/04/24/soyuz-hard-landing-the-facts/ |
| 20:49.58 | foxlit | "Reports indicate that a failure of explosive bolts to separate the Soyuz modules delayed the re-entry and oriented the capsule so the hatch was taking most of the heat, rather than the heat shields. " |
| 20:50.08 | kd3 | ^ |
| 20:50.46 | deltron | yeah they took 8.2G's also |
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| 20:55.44 | foxlit | Gah |
| 20:55.59 | foxlit | I think I have an issue that only occurs during high latency :/ |
| 20:56.09 | foxlit | And I have no way to check things in those circumstances |
| 20:56.33 | Saint-N | shgirik you dev c# in nix dontcha? |
| 20:56.37 | Saint-N | shirik even |
| 20:58.33 | kergoth | hmm, chatter has no command history remembering.. anyone know of a standalone addon fro htat? |
| 20:59.08 | dylanm | What do you mean by that? |
| 20:59.20 | dylanm | The up arrow on your keyboard? |
| 21:00.15 | kergoth | yes. slash command history. |
| 21:00.49 | dylanm | Just slash commands and nothing else? |
| 21:02.05 | *** join/#wowuidev Kaso (n=Kaso@resnet01.nat.lancs.ac.uk) |
| 21:03.20 | kergoth | what i want is slash command history retained, if it retains all history of everything i typed and sent, that works too, i dont give a shit, i just want commands retained across reloads. prat had a module for it, chatter doesnt |
| 21:03.45 | dylanm | Ohhhhhh. |
| 21:03.47 | dylanm | Across reloads. |
| 21:04.04 | dylanm | I was wondering what you were going on about :p |
| 21:04.05 | pastamancer | kergoth: I want that and chat history across reloads! |
| 21:04.07 | Kalroth | kd3: Aha, so the new Naxxramas will be spinning! |
| 21:04.08 | Polarina | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:08.06 | kd3 | Mr. Bigglesworth has done 400 points of damage... 3300 to go |
| 21:09.46 | nevcairiel | what are you doing? o.O |
| 21:10.00 | kd3 | setting up for a screenshot |
| 21:15.48 | Saint-N | home time! |
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| 21:21.13 | Kaso | i have six files named "1" in my home dir, just with various extentions |
| 21:21.18 | Kaso | im lazy at naming |
| 21:23.48 | kergoth | i have a ton of 'foo'.. 'foo2'..fooooo, blah, blahhh.. etc laying around |
| 21:24.58 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got 'test' with any number of extensions |
| 21:25.11 | ScytheBlade1 | And test, test2-5, testing, testlol, testhaha, etc |
| 21:25.17 | ScytheBlade1 | (directories) |
| 21:25.25 | zenzelezz | mine are all "temp", "arf" or "bleh" |
| 21:27.23 | Kaso | wow i forgot about test |
| 21:27.39 | Kaso | "test, test.bat, test.bmp, test.cpp, test.exe, test.gzip, test.html, test.lua, test.pdf, test.txt, test.vbs, test.zip" |
| 21:29.07 | Polarina | I don't have any files starting with the name "test" since the day I added a cron-job to automatically delete them. |
| 21:29.18 | *** topic/#WoWUIDev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 2.4.x ToC: 20400 | #WoWUIDev-commits : A place to watch active development of World of Warcraft addons. Multiple Sites' CIA & JIRA bots reporting | WoW programming book http://tinyurl.com/2gdel9 | In order to be more inclusive, we've moved to #WoWUIDev. | "Have I mentioned lately that you guys are all really weird?" _ Cairenn |
| 21:29.34 | kd3 | "lately"? |
| 21:29.34 | Cairenn | :p |
| 21:30.06 | zenzelezz | I have no idea where that statement came from |
| 21:30.34 | Cairenn | zenzelezz: read the conversation immediately preceding my changing the topic :p |
| 21:31.10 | durcyn | metasyntactic variables tell you a lot about a person |
| 21:31.49 | Polarina | But you people should see me AddOns folder. Tons of "test", "test1", "foo", "foobar", "~lick Zootfizzle", "addontest", "annoytest", "etc.", etc. :) |
| 21:32.23 | kd3 | whee |
| 21:32.33 | cladhaire | my test addons are all greek letters |
| 21:33.00 | kd3 | [Mr. Bigglesworth] Melee hit [You] 6 Physical. / Your equipped items suffer a 10% durablility loss. / [You] died. |
| 21:34.40 | nevcairiel | that took you a while |
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| 21:35.11 | kd3 | should've let one of the mobs outside the instance wail on me for a while first |
| 21:37.11 | kd3 | http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/7122/bigglesworthkv0.png |
| 21:37.36 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 21:38.03 | cladhaire | heh |
| 21:38.15 | Kaso | you've gotta be pretty bored to do that! |
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| 21:39.41 | kd3 | combat log says I started at 17:04 |
| 21:39.48 | kd3 | but it doesn't appear to show my death |
| 21:39.51 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 21:40.30 | nevcairiel | UNIT_DIED still bugged? |
| 21:41.10 | durcyn | hm, showed up in combatlog.txt for me yesterday |
| 21:41.39 | kd3 | bah... the /reloadui causing combat log timestamps to break is still in |
| 21:41.56 | kd3 | s/break/break bug/ |
| 21:42.15 | kd3 | http://wowi.pastey.net/86587 |
| 21:45.24 | kd3 | bah, nvm. got the combat log to flush |
| 21:45.40 | kd3 | my death did show up |
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| 21:46.28 | nevcairiel | why exactly did you need mr. bigglesworth to kill you? |
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| 21:47.01 | kd3 | so http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6136244964&sid=1 would flow properly |
| 21:51.53 | nevcairiel | you really must be bored |
| 21:56.26 | ReAn | What could cause 'self' to become a boolean value? |
| 21:56.38 | Kaso | someone meddling with it |
| 21:56.57 | Nargiddley | doing something like Addon.Foo(true) instead of Addon:Foo(true) |
| 21:59.14 | Kaso | try do error() when you detect it is true, then follow the stack trace back to see where your call came from. whoever's "above" your function is maybe behind it |
| 22:00.31 | ReAn | error() will give a stack trace? |
| 22:00.58 | Kaso | if you have an addon which allows you access to it |
| 22:01.06 | Kaso | the default error handler doesnt |
| 22:01.21 | ReAn | any suggestions? |
| 22:02.04 | Kaso | Improved Error Frame, Bugsack, two i know of off the top of my head |
| 22:03.01 | thelibrarian | Swatter from the auctioneer suite does as well |
| 22:04.40 | ReAn | you sure improved error frame does traces? i just installed it, it just seems to hide/group them up |
| 22:05.20 | Kaso | one of the slash commands for it turns on stack trace |
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| 22:23.43 | Polarina | Do people on the EU PvE PTR who have epic flying mounts want to come and do a /follow chain? |
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| 22:34.01 | lagger | i like how vista changes my folder settings every day |
| 22:35.16 | Polarina | I like how Vista comes with build-in spyware. |
| 22:35.39 | cog|work | ...? ...? |
| 22:36.00 | ReAn | i thought self was always supposed to be the object the function was defined on |
| 22:36.02 | ReAn | is that not true? |
| 22:36.16 | cog|work | self is just a variable |
| 22:36.36 | cog|work | it happens to be provided automatically if you define a function as function table:blah() |
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| 22:37.38 | cog|work | you could just as easily define the function as function table.blah(me) and use the variable me inside the function |
| 22:37.40 | Kirov | function object:Function() end == function object.Function(self) end |
| 22:38.58 | Kaso | syntactic sugar! |
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| 22:41.33 | Kaso | mmm, so sweat |
| 22:41.45 | reqol | yeah, I like that sweaty sugar |
| 22:41.54 | Valaron|Work | my god.. this last hour and a half is dragging. |
| 22:41.54 | Kaso | >.< |
| 22:41.58 | Kaso | i fail at spelling |
| 22:41.59 | reqol | haha, <3 : ) |
| 22:42.08 | reqol | it was just a typo! : P |
| 22:42.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Polarina: I really don't want to provoke this, but I'm incredibly curious as to what spyware Vista ships with. |
| 22:43.02 | Tuller | clearly, windows update |
| 22:43.12 | Valaron|Work | Defender! |
| 22:43.22 | Duman | haha |
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| 22:43.45 | Polarina | These two, for example. |
| 22:44.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Windows Update and Windows Defender? |
| 22:44.39 | Tuller | wmp! |
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| 22:44.54 | *** kick/#wowuidev [Polarina!i=c64a263b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-83421feb501ba7d0] by Zootfizzle (It wasn't me, it was my helpful spyware!) |
| 22:45.01 | Duman | oh, snap |
| 22:45.09 | Valaron|Work | lawls |
| 22:45.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I was trying to remain 100% neutral, seriously |
| 22:45.23 | Duman | zoot is lurking again? ;-) |
| 22:45.35 | ScytheBlade1 | I was not trying to honestly provoke, I was going to leave it at that :( |
| 22:45.37 | Tuller | I was actually naming things that may or may not phone home :P |
| 22:46.00 | *** join/#wowuidev Polarina (n=Polarina@unaffiliated/polarina) |
| 22:46.14 | Polarina | Zootfizzle: Spyware =/= Malware. |
| 22:46.45 | Yssaril | so if it phones home is spywhere? (goes to uninstall firefox and any other program that checks for updates) |
| 22:47.09 | Polarina | You can read about it at http://www.badvista.org/ |
| 22:47.24 | Duman | zomg wow is spyware!@^%^@ |
| 22:48.10 | Tuller | so drm |
| 22:48.14 | Duman | oh, DRM shit |
| 22:48.27 | Polarina | http://badvista.fsf.org/what-s-wrong-with-microsoft-windows-vista |
| 22:49.05 | cog|work | Polarina: umm... there's nothing about built-in spyware in that... |
| 22:49.33 | Polarina | cog|work: "You consent to being spied upon by Microsoft" |
| 22:49.39 | cog|work | ... |
| 22:49.43 | cog|work | that's the authors phrasing |
| 22:49.49 | cog|work | a biased author |
| 22:49.53 | Yssaril | i like this sentence "Even when you legally buy Vista, you don't own it." since when has anyone ever owned their software? everything is licenced nowadays |
| 22:50.13 | cog|work | Even when you legally download Linux you don't own it... |
| 22:50.16 | ScytheBlade1 | (GPL is a license people! Not a transfer of ownership!) |
| 22:50.18 | cog|work | you're licensed to use it by the GPL |
| 22:50.24 | Zootfizzle | I don't even own my car ;( |
| 22:50.29 | Zootfizzle | I'm licensed to use it by my bank |
| 22:50.56 | Yssaril | hiya Zootfizzle btw i figureded it out (made me feel like an idiot when i did /cry) |
| 22:51.03 | Tuller | and cog does not even own his jetpack |
| 22:51.18 | cog|work | I own my Turbo Charged Flying Machine though... |
| 22:51.19 | kd3 | not that I drive it with gas prices the way they are |
| 22:51.24 | cog|work | oh no wait... |
| 22:51.27 | cog|work | blizzard owns that :( |
| 22:51.33 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work: :( |
| 22:51.39 | Tuller | friend is trying to push me towards a mazda3 |
| 22:51.51 | Polarina | cog|work: You agreed to that. :) |
| 22:51.55 | cog|work | yep |
| 22:52.01 | Zootfizzle | Hey Yssaril! Glad to hear it ;) |
| 22:52.05 | kd3 | I'm enjoying it. handling is /so/ sensitive... I just think about turning/changing lanes and the car's already moving |
| 22:52.06 | Yssaril | cog|work: but you do own the licence to use the software that licences you to use your turbo charged flying machine? |
| 22:52.15 | cog|work | nope... |
| 22:52.34 | cog|work | i own the money that pays for the privilege to be licensed to use my flying machine |
| 22:52.49 | ScytheBlade1 | When you put it that way it's kinda depressing :( |
| 22:53.02 | kd3 | all hail the modern EULAs |
| 22:53.08 | Kaso | Just read thought that page pol linked, I dissaprove of DRM, and i disaprove of WGA, but i think that website is a little hyperbolic |
| 22:53.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh |
| 22:53.19 | ScytheBlade1 | "Little"? |
| 22:53.22 | cog|work | little/ |
| 22:53.27 | cog|work | s/\//?/ |
| 22:53.42 | Kaso | maybe a smidge |
| 22:53.44 | ScytheBlade1 | You don't :) |
| 22:53.46 | Kaso | Im not sure you can |
| 22:53.53 | cog|work | ~lart yourself |
| 22:53.53 | purl | plops yourself into a giant vat of herring |
| 22:54.05 | cog|work | ~lart you |
| 22:54.05 | purl | strangles cog|work with a 9-pole serial cable |
| 22:54.12 | cog|work | ~botsmack |
| 22:54.13 | purl | OWW! |
| 22:54.17 | ScytheBlade1 | ~botsnack |
| 22:54.17 | purl | aw, gee, ScytheBlade1 |
| 22:54.57 | ScytheBlade1 | There are two points that the BadVista campaign seems to like. One, DRM, and two, licensing. |
| 22:54.58 | reqol | if my XML file has a script file defined, do they share local variables? |
| 22:55.13 | ScytheBlade1 | 1) If you don't like the DRM, you don't use it. FLAC, ogg, etc. for life. |
| 22:55.19 | ScytheBlade1 | 2) All software is licensed. |
| 22:55.20 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 22:55.27 | ScytheBlade1 | That about sums it up. |
| 22:56.24 | Zootfizzle | Some day, if finish my law degree, I want to argue the legality of a EULA which reduces the value of human effort to nothing from a Lockean perspective to a conservative court and see if their faces explode. |
| 22:56.34 | ScytheBlade1 | hahahaha |
| 22:58.27 | Kaso | ScytheBlade1, you cant legally get most HD video media without DRM in the usa though |
| 22:58.39 | Kaso | given that dcma prevents you stripping drm |
| 22:59.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaso: and you know you're right. But what is the problem there, the fact that DRM exists or the fact that there are laws protecting it? |
| 22:59.39 | Kaso | well i'd like to say both :> |
| 22:59.42 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 22:59.42 | Duman | I need to fix my audi |
| 22:59.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Fair enough :) |
| 22:59.44 | Duman | I miss driving it |
| 22:59.46 | Kaso | but yes i see your point |
| 22:59.51 | Duman | altho I get like 14mpg (the way I drive) |
| 22:59.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Duman: ouch |
| 23:00.29 | Duman | well, it started life as an S4 (a 2000)... but it has undergone quite a few modifications :) |
| 23:00.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh. I drive a car that drives, and that's all I care about. |
| 23:01.05 | Duman | ahh, driving is an activity/sport for me :) |
| 23:01.30 | ScytheBlade1 | 10 year old Ford Escort LX ftw? (Standard transmission too) |
| 23:01.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Polarina: for what it is worth, Doom3 used .wav and .ogg exclusively |
| 23:02.19 | ScytheBlade1 | In fact the title music was 96kbit .ogg, and it sounded *great* |
| 23:02.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Err no, 32kbit |
| 23:02.41 | foxlit | it's doom |
| 23:02.49 | foxlit | how many bits do you need to compress that soundtrack anyway? |
| 23:02.55 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 23:02.57 | ScytheBlade1 | A good point |
| 23:03.01 | Polarina | ScytheBlade1: Ogg has better compression ratio and it gives better quality too. :) |
| 23:03.24 | Polarina | s/Ogg/Ogg Vorbis/ |
| 23:03.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Meh. I'm a flac elitist. |
| 23:03.25 | reqol | apparently you can't. then what's the advantage of defining a script file? |
| 23:03.43 | foxlit | versus AAC? |
| 23:03.52 | Duman | FLAC yields what... like 50% compression avg? |
| 23:03.58 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got no idea |
| 23:04.08 | Kaso | reqol whatcha mean? i assume youre talking about wow stuff? |
| 23:04.08 | ScytheBlade1 | And my pair of 500GB hard drives don't care either :) |
| 23:04.10 | Duman | (for music) |
| 23:04.13 | Duman | heh |
| 23:04.29 | reqol | Kaso: trying to figure out why you would want to define a script file in XML |
| 23:04.46 | Polarina | Duman: FLAC is loseless. |
| 23:04.53 | Duman | I know :P |
| 23:04.55 | foxlit | reqol: Because you can, really. |
| 23:04.55 | Kaso | as opposed to putting the script in the lua you mean? |
| 23:04.59 | Duman | (I know what it stands for :) ) |
| 23:05.14 | foxlit | It's not that much different from inclusion in .toc; it's just loaded when the <script> tag is encountered |
| 23:05.17 | Duman | I was wondering the compression ratio (avg) for music |
| 23:05.46 | ScytheBlade1 | It's pretty good all things considered |
| 23:05.46 | Kaso | basically not much, by define in <script> you ensure the file will be loaded before the rest of the xml is parsed. |
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| 23:05.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Moment as I decompress something |
| 23:05.54 | reqol | so then, if I have a local variable which holds a good deal of data (an ace library), how would I share this with the XML file without adding yet another global variable into the equation? or CAN you? |
| 23:05.58 | Kaso | but by correctly ordering toc you can do that too |
| 23:06.03 | foxlit | You can't. |
| 23:06.04 | art3mis | ScytheBlade1: like your lungs? |
| 23:06.11 | reqol | humph... |
| 23:06.19 | ScytheBlade1 | art3mis: like a flac track ;) |
| 23:06.28 | reqol | well, thanks for the help! : ) |
| 23:06.30 | foxlit | (ps: don't put major blocks of code into XML storage) |
| 23:06.34 | art3mis | heh i only caught the decompress ;P |
| 23:06.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Duman: 65MB .wav, 43MB .flac |
| 23:06.40 | ScytheBlade1 | haha, gotcha |
| 23:06.51 | art3mis | why flac though? |
| 23:06.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Why not? |
| 23:07.08 | art3mis | do you actually hear a difference in lossless over ogg or 192kb mp3? |
| 23:07.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh my yes |
| 23:07.15 | kd3 | because it's 1) lossless and 2) unencumbered by software patents |
| 23:07.16 | art3mis | mostly because of space |
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| 23:07.29 | kd3 | that's why most of my music's in that format |
| 23:07.30 | Duman | http://flac.sourceforge.net/comparison.html |
| 23:07.34 | foxlit | I reject (2) and subtitute (2) Poorly supported by software. |
| 23:07.35 | Duman | looks like it's in the 50% range, avg |
| 23:07.39 | art3mis | ogg doesnt have the same gimpyness as mp3 does |
| 23:07.39 | ScytheBlade1 | http://sennheiserusa.com/newsite/productdetail.asp?transid=newHD-3 |
| 23:07.41 | ScytheBlade1 | I listen with those |
| 23:07.47 | Kaso | is wav actually patented? it seems that PCM is a pretty generic concept that anyone who thought to encode music wouldve come up with |
| 23:07.53 | art3mis | oh |
| 23:07.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaso: I think some forms of it are |
| 23:08.00 | reqol | so then, should I just define several functions without using the ace library? or should I make a global copy. the former seems more clean. I'm only setting up a slider anyway |
| 23:08.01 | Polarina | art3mis: I can't hear a difference from a Ogg Vorbis file at the lowest bit-rate possible compared to the original FLAC file. |
| 23:08.02 | Duman | (compared to RIFF) |
| 23:08.04 | foxlit | [wav is a container format] |
| 23:08.07 | art3mis | see i dont notice that much above 192 |
| 23:08.17 | art3mis | Polarina: laugh |
| 23:08.35 | Duman | oh crap, lots are up in the 70+% range |
| 23:08.39 | art3mis | i tend to listen to a lot of industrial and metal though |
| 23:08.50 | Duman | Once I set up my fileserver at home, I should rip all my CDs |
| 23:08.56 | Duman | that might take a while tho |
| 23:08.58 | Kaso | reqol, having a global reference to your libraray isnt really that bad. |
| 23:09.00 | Polarina | I can hear difference if I open up a mixer and mess around with it a bit. |
| 23:09.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Duman: yeah, some are. I justify it in a simple manner though |
| 23:09.12 | Kaso | but im not entirely sure what you are doing so im a little mixed up |
| 23:09.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Duman: once I've got an accurate .flac copy, I can burn identical CDs as many times as I please |
| 23:09.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Duman: (or toss the CDs in storage and never care about them again_ |
| 23:09.32 | ScytheBlade1 | *) |
| 23:09.39 | Duman | that's the idea :) |
| 23:09.41 | kd3 | awesome: http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/gear/a1aa/ |
| 23:09.45 | ScytheBlade1 | FLAC ftw |
| 23:09.49 | art3mis | if yer that much of an audiophile that you have 300$ hezdphones alright flac is for you ;P |
| 23:09.49 | Duman | I just need to rip my boxes of CDs :) |
| 23:09.55 | reqol | I'm basically just setting up a config menu |
| 23:09.58 | Cairenn | AnduinLothar: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16052 |
| 23:10.08 | ScytheBlade1 | art3mis: hehe... and a headphone amp, and an actual soundcard :) |
| 23:10.10 | Duman | kd3: haha, my gf was talking about that today |
| 23:10.15 | art3mis | heh |
| 23:10.19 | reqol | this includes a slider, which I'm trying to set up now. |
| 23:11.05 | art3mis | ive still got my emu10k sb live 5.1 ;P |
| 23:11.07 | art3mis | gold |
| 23:11.11 | Duman | emu10k! |
| 23:11.12 | art3mis | i love this thing |
| 23:11.22 | ScytheBlade1 | heh @ emu10k |
| 23:11.23 | Duman | I have my old sb live somewhere |
| 23:11.25 | Polarina | Zootfizzle: Do you know how much of the WoW servers are written in Lua? 100% (minus LuaSockets and the database bindings)? |
| 23:11.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Die emu10k die |
| 23:11.32 | Duman | w/ the front panel thing |
| 23:11.38 | art3mis | i had oem |
| 23:11.53 | art3mis | ScytheBlade1: i also have a bose lifestyle 3800 ;P |
| 23:11.56 | cog|work | Polarina: do you know how likely it is that Zootfizzle's even allowed to answer questions like that? |
| 23:12.02 | art3mis | so screw you and yer headphones ;P |
| 23:12.02 | Duman | Fry's had an SB Audigy 2 white box for $19.00 a month or so ago so I grabbed one |
| 23:12.04 | Duman | not that impressed w/ it |
| 23:12.08 | art3mis | sorry "cheap" headphones ;P |
| 23:12.10 | Duman | sort of crappy, actually |
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| 23:12.24 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
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| 23:12.28 | art3mis | the audigy's were nice back then |
| 23:12.31 | Polarina | cog|work: Yes, I know how likely it is. |
| 23:12.33 | art3mis | not so much now |
| 23:12.34 | Duman | yeah the original ones were |
| 23:12.39 | Duman | gone downhill |
| 23:12.43 | Cairenn | Polarina: then why ask? |
| 23:12.45 | art3mis | creatives time came and went |
| 23:13.02 | art3mis | one soundcard is as good as the next these days as long as it's got digital out |
| 23:13.09 | Polarina | Cairenn: Because the likeliness is above 0? |
| 23:13.09 | cog|work | I'd imagine their engineers would have a fit if random employees started throwing out technical details of their systems willy nilly like |
| 23:13.17 | Duman | I just have some MPU401 USB adapter I use for my MIDI stuff, anyway :) |
| 23:13.24 | art3mis | heh |
| 23:13.29 | art3mis | usb soundcards are awesome |
| 23:13.37 | art3mis | im not sure WHY i like em though |
| 23:13.38 | Duman | haha |
| 23:13.58 | Duman | my friend wrote the USB drivers for linux, so we had lots of USB toys |
| 23:14.04 | Duman | s/wrote/writes/ |
| 23:14.08 | art3mis | heh nice |
| 23:14.20 | Duman | well, he was my roommate |
| 23:14.25 | art3mis | was? |
| 23:14.30 | Duman | he moved out - got his own place :) |
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| 23:14.39 | Polarina | I guess the changes are around 1 against 1 Ã 10 ^ (2 ^ 64) |
| 23:14.41 | art3mis | tell him that ubuntu needs orbicam drivers |
| 23:14.42 | Cairenn | Polarina: no, it isn't and courtesy if not common sense would have most people not even put him in that position |
| 23:14.48 | Duman | hehe |
| 23:14.49 | art3mis | thats the only thing that my acer needs a driver for |
| 23:14.57 | Duman | ok, I need beers |
| 23:15.01 | Duman | it's friday and after 4pm |
| 23:15.02 | art3mis | everything else works great |
| 23:15.15 | kd3 | beer! good idea |
| 23:15.22 | art3mis | oh i found a rad thingy for xp the other day too |
| 23:15.25 | Polarina | Cairenn: Ok. |
| 23:15.30 | art3mis | its an xp version of the vista readyboost |
| 23:15.32 | Zootfizzle | Polarina: Yes, I know. |
| 23:15.35 | Zootfizzle | ;) |
| 23:15.44 | Polarina | Zootfizzle: That's all I needed to know. Thanks. :) |
| 23:16.01 | ScytheBlade1 | afk dying IRL |
| 23:16.03 | Kaso | reqol, im not sure if you got a proper anwser to your question, but if you're still puzzled try re asking your question a bit more verbosidly and with some code examples (dump code at pastey.net) |
| 23:17.02 | art3mis | Zootfizzle: can you tell me if you guyes use oracle and what the addresses are and the root login and pass as well as setup a dz and give me the ip? |
| 23:17.13 | art3mis | dz == dmz |
| 23:17.15 | art3mis | ;) |
| 23:17.35 | Cairenn | don't make me hurt you Art |
| 23:17.40 | art3mis | Cairenn: lets face it if zoot answered ANY question i asked he deserves to be fired ;) |
| 23:18.00 | reqol | I'm basically just trying to set up a fully function slider. I've got the aesthetics done, now just working on the code. |
| 23:18.07 | art3mis | sorry answers seriously any question i ask ;P |
| 23:18.11 | reqol | I haven't really come to an impasse, I'm just studying blizzard's code and adapting my own to it |
| 23:18.41 | art3mis | oh and as a side note, i expect more "face" time when you come down to visit, then we can talk about the "hurting" |
| 23:18.53 | cladhaire | "talk" |
| 23:19.02 | art3mis | yeah missed that one ;) |
| 23:19.03 | Cairenn | keep dreaming sweetheart, keep dreaming |
| 23:19.07 | cog|work | Cairenn: ~lart3mis |
| 23:19.16 | art3mis | every night baby every night ;P |
| 23:19.23 | Zootfizzle | art3mis: Yes, I could tell you. |
| 23:19.27 | art3mis | with an ass like yours how could i not ;) |
| 23:19.31 | Zootfizzle | I love English. |
| 23:19.40 | art3mis | Zootfizzle: heh |
| 23:19.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Zootfizzle: wait, you kn--- on second thought never mind :) |
| 23:20.13 | art3mis | Zootfizzle: okay lets talk about in our pms instead of the slightly unvering content we've got now ;P |
| 23:20.17 | art3mis | about that |
| 23:20.24 | Polarina | art3mis: rofl |
| 23:20.27 | Zootfizzle | You didn't ask me if I would tell you =P |
| 23:20.32 | Zootfizzle | The answer to that one is no. |
| 23:20.46 | art3mis | but honeybunches i thought we bonded |
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| 23:22.35 | Cairenn | >< |
| 23:22.36 | art3mis | i use the super glue you elft on my lips btw ;) |
| 23:22.41 | Cairenn | you play dirty |
| 23:22.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah and a hostmask that I forgot about |
| 23:22.56 | art3mis | its my nature ;) |
| 23:23.03 | ScytheBlade1 | It bothered me too :P |
| 23:24.04 | Polarina | Zootfizzle: Is there a possibility that MVPs post in blue text and Blizzard Representatives in green text on next April's Fools Day? xD |
| 23:24.29 | art3mis | even better add a script tot he forums so that random text is green and blue |
| 23:24.33 | cog|work | NO! I AM TEH WALRUS!!!! |
| 23:24.37 | art3mis | and not for april fools day |
| 23:24.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Polarina: I think that far too many of your lines in here begin with "Zootfizzle" |
| 23:25.01 | art3mis | random text == random posts |
| 23:25.05 | art3mis | that would be great |
| 23:25.20 | art3mis | and all mod posts are flashing red text on a yellow background |
| 23:25.21 | Polarina | ScytheBlade1: s/Zootfizzle:/My dear zoot:/ |
| 23:25.44 | reqol | in a slider what are the min/max values supposed to be? the number of 'pages' to navigate through? |
| 23:25.46 | ScytheBlade1 | While I know that you're joking there, I really do hope you got my point there :P |
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| 23:25.56 | ScytheBlade1 | reqol: pixels iirc |
| 23:26.01 | Polarina | ScytheBlade1: I do. |
| 23:26.02 | Zootfizzle | It's funny, mibbit translated your colon-slashes into exactly my feeling on your replacement. |
| 23:26.04 | ScytheBlade1 | reqol: don't quote me on that |
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| 23:26.27 | Zootfizzle | Polarina: It's possible ;) |
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| 23:29.38 | reqol | going through UIPanelTemplates it seems like making my own slider is an awful lot of effort just so I don't have to inherit FauxScrollFrame |
| 23:30.15 | cladhaire | nah |
| 23:30.24 | cladhaire | making fsf's using your own sliders is actually really easy |
| 23:30.41 | reqol | please enlighten me ;_; |
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| 23:33.16 | cladhaire | reqol: that should help as a simple example |
| 23:33.34 | reqol | cladhaire: I'll take a look at it, thanks a lot! : ) |
| 23:33.36 | cladhaire | reqol: it would make more sense with the accompanying chapter |
| 23:33.42 | cladhaire | but the code should be enough for now |
| 23:34.07 | reqol | mmmm, thanks for reminding me, I want to preorder it |
| 23:34.18 | cladhaire | its more like order |
| 23:34.22 | cladhaire | you should do that soon |
| 23:34.26 | cladhaire | amazon will be raising the price soon |
| 23:34.36 | reqol | wow, thanks for the heads up, heh |
| 23:34.37 | cladhaire | since it'll be shipping early next week, if i had to guess |
| 23:35.01 | cladhaire | ~wowprogramming |
| 23:35.02 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, wowprogramming is World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons, a book written by Cladhaire, Kaelten and Cogwheel. It serves as a technical reference for the WoW API and customization system (Due out May 5, 2008). http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob |
| 23:35.09 | cladhaire | if you do happen to order, use that link |
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| 23:35.34 | reqol | will do :D |
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| 23:35.36 | cladhaire | that way we get affiliate fees from amazon :P |
| 23:35.54 | Zootfizzle | ~FauxScrollFrame |
| 23:36.22 | cladhaire | i was nice to them in the chapter |
| 23:36.26 | cladhaire | just kind of side stepped them :P |
| 23:38.15 | Zootfizzle | Purl, FauxScrollFrame is one of the first Lua/XML systems written by Blizzard for the WoW user interface. Its learning curve resembles an inverted L, and Zootfizzle hates it. Along with cogs, it is in the top five on his "dead to me" list. |
| 23:38.16 | purl | okay, Zootfizzle |
| 23:38.43 | reqol | Zootfizzle: <3 |
| 23:38.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Inverted L. That's stupidly accurate. |
| 23:39.29 | Kirov | FauxScrollFrame is awesome! Ugly, but awesome. |
| 23:39.50 | Kirov | ~fauxscrollframe |
| 23:39.51 | purl | i heard fauxscrollframe is one of the first Lua/XML systems written by Blizzard for the WoW user interface. Its learning curve resembles an inverted L, and Zootfizzle hates it. Along with cogs, it is in the top five on his "dead to me" list. |
| 23:40.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Interesting |
| 23:41.01 | ScytheBlade1 | General got a new MVP today |
| 23:41.11 | Kirov | I use FauxScrollFrame equivalents whenever I can because it's better than a scroll frame with 500,000 items in it. |
| 23:42.50 | kd3 | oh wow |
| 23:43.42 | Kirov | Polarina - Zootfizzle isn't a MVP |
| 23:43.54 | Polarina | Kirov: I'm aware. |
| 23:44.34 | Zootfizzle | I think he's saying I should say grats ;) |
| 23:44.49 | Kirov | o |
| 23:45.16 | Kirov | For a non-UI forums MVP? |
| 23:45.33 | Polarina | Kirov: Whom does it kill? |
| 23:45.37 | durcyn | ~stab Polarina |
| 23:45.38 | purl | ACTION runs at Polarina with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 23:46.13 | Kirov | Polarina - no one, I just generally don't care about general forums. |
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| 23:46.30 | Kirov | I avoid them at all costs. |
| 23:46.49 | Kirov | And we do a generally good job of keeping them out of the UI forums by ignoring them. |
| 23:48.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh, I like Timbal's comment |
| 23:48.14 | ScytheBlade1 | "Welcome Frejya! You are most-valued here." |
| 23:48.29 | kd3 | whee for finally getting a bunch of my music out of new-unsorted... |
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| 23:52.20 | reqol | how should I go about populating my slider with names? they all have to be buttons so that they can be click-highlighted and deleted. they are also going to be in alphabetical order, with no limit. |
| 23:53.05 | Kirov | reqol - ? |
| 23:53.36 | reqol | Kirov: I guess I'll try to study FriendsFrame some more |
| 23:54.01 | reqol | but they have a set number of buttons, I need an infinite number. I know I need to use lua for that |
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| 23:54.30 | Zootfizzle | reqol: The point of the FauxScrollFrame is that you don't need an infinite number of frames to display an infinite number of results |
| 23:54.52 | reqol | so I should just go ahead and use FSF? |
| 23:54.56 | Zootfizzle | Instead, you change what's displayed on however many frames you can fit in the area |
| 23:55.10 | Zootfizzle | Drumroll please... |
| 23:55.22 | reqol | oh my... ;_; |
| 23:55.33 | Zootfizzle | If you're having trouble figuring out FSF, you might consider using a scrollframe from one of the community libraries |
| 23:56.04 | Zootfizzle | They probably have better documentation for beginners at the very least ;) |
| 23:57.04 | reqol | Zootfizzle: I don't think I'm even using the right thing |
| 23:57.11 | reqol | I have a slider, but no scroll frame |
| 23:57.27 | Zootfizzle | Have you looked at http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Make_a_Scrollable_List_Using_FauxScrollFrameTemplate ? |
| 23:57.44 | reqol | aye, I was told FSF was a mess, though |
| 23:58.01 | Zootfizzle | It is, but it's better than a regular ScrollFrame for what it sounds like you're trying to do. |
| 23:58.05 | Zootfizzle | Even though it's a mess. |
| 23:58.13 | reqol | haha, okay, thanks for all the help! : ) |
| 23:58.20 | Zootfizzle | NP, good luck! |
| 23:59.23 | Polarina | Zootfizzle: Eek! :O |
| 23:59.39 | ReAn | #mytable returns # of items in the table right? keyed or indexed? |
| 23:59.53 | Kirov | indexed only |
