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| 00:02.04 | vithos | Mikk: error when trying to open the context menu for baggins with anywherebags http://pastey.net/86132 |
| 00:05.04 | foxlit | http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=999 |
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| 00:13.11 | WobWork | http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/359541_msftmvp18.html |
| 00:13.13 | WobWork | >< |
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| 00:14.40 | WobWork | "Can we just sort of kiss that stone and move on?" he said. |
| 00:14.47 | WobWork | ... I think he's mixing his metaphors |
| 00:16.35 | Kirov | it's not a metaphor, it's a balmeraphor |
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| 00:29.43 | WobWork | ie complete crap? =P |
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| 00:49.52 | Corrodias | "Ballmer's comments come at a pivotal time in Windows Vista's life, as the company tries to get more businesses and consumers to upgrade." -- oh, it'll take a lot of work to get ME to "upgrade" |
| 00:50.47 | Kirov | No one upgrades to Vista, they buy new machines with it pre-installed, then wipe it and install XP |
| 00:51.39 | Kirov | As a side note, going from Vista to XP, it's prefectly legal to install XP if you have a disk, regardless of if you bought it. |
| 00:53.08 | Kirov | It's something they don't like to mention, because they like people buying multiple licenses, but every windows os license includes a license for all back microsoft os |
| 00:53.53 | Kaso | seriously? |
| 00:54.15 | Kirov | Yes |
| 00:54.31 | Shirik | I still don't get why everyone hates Vista |
| 00:54.43 | Shirik | it's a good OS, just people who code for Windows don't know wtf they're doing |
| 00:55.07 | Kaso | vista requires like double the PC that xp does for little tangable benifit? |
| 00:55.19 | Shirik | I see no problem |
| 00:55.42 | Kaso | you clearly have a brand new computer |
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| 00:57.35 | Shirik | ha |
| 00:57.37 | Shirik | not even close |
| 00:58.08 | Shirik | well, you be the judge |
| 00:58.17 | Shirik | os: Windows Vista Ultimate, SP1 :: cpu: AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4400+ (at 2210 MHz) :: mem: 1445/2047 MB (70%) :: gfx: nVidia GeForce 7800 GT (1360x768x32bit 60Hz) |
| 00:59.19 | Kirov | Shirik - for most pc users in this world, that's a screamin' pc |
| 00:59.25 | Shirik | heh |
| 00:59.34 | Shirik | The majority of that is from 2 years ago >< |
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| 01:09.15 | Amarande | hmm, what am I running these days |
| 01:09.28 | Amarande | AMD X2 4200+, Vista Home Premium, 2GB RAM, Radeon HD 3870 |
| 01:09.43 | Amarande | Basically, no lag in Shattrath. |
| 01:10.28 | Amarande | what's the difference between the 4200+ and 4400+, anyway? |
| 01:10.31 | Amarande | IIRC, both run at 2210 MHz |
| 01:10.57 | End | different cache size? I dunno, there's a lot of things it could be |
| 01:11.24 | End | could be an entirely different core even |
| 01:11.42 | Shirik | I got the 4400 specifically because of the cache size |
| 01:11.44 | Shirik | so that's probably right |
| 01:12.38 | Kirov | I have an AthlonXP 3200+, 2GB ram, 6800 Ultra |
| 01:12.52 | End | I'm still on a AthlonXP 2400+ :( |
| 01:13.09 | End | I plan on building myself a new machine within the next month or so though |
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| 01:30.49 | Corrodias | are you sure you don't want an intel extreme 4 dual core triple pentium pro? |
| 01:38.11 | Kaso | Skype setup 2006 9.53 MB, skype setup 2008 21.6MB |
| 01:38.24 | Kaso | doubled in size in two years |
| 01:50.47 | Kirov | They've added tons of malwa...bloa..."features" |
| 01:51.15 | Thrae | I need to update my rig. |
| 01:55.12 | Shirik | this is my latest addition |
| 01:55.19 | Shirik | sound card: Speakers (Razer Barracuda AC-1 Gaming Audio Card) |
| 01:55.26 | Shirik | it's really nice |
| 02:01.02 | Thrae | http://www.matts-hosting.com/~generalmx/my_systems.txt <-- there we go, a little update |
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| 02:04.52 | kd3 | huh |
| 02:05.13 | kd3 | why does doomwalker yell "Do not proceed. You will be eliminated"? when the Burning Legion's out to kill us all anyway? |
| 02:14.27 | Shirik | Yay! Kalecgos! |
| 02:14.42 | Shirik | We're going to run in without knowing the fight |
| 02:15.09 | kd3 | whee, fun stuff |
| 02:16.21 | Shirik | woot |
| 02:16.21 | Shirik | 96% |
| 02:16.33 | Shirik | we only went in to see the trash anyway :P |
| 02:18.27 | Tem|afk | well |
| 02:18.38 | Tem|afk | I just got a Rez DC emulation to work |
| 02:18.45 | Tem|afk | and I am not disappointed |
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| 02:22.59 | Shirik | ~x de en eifersucht |
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| 02:32.14 | WobWork | ~x de en schadenfreude |
| 02:32.25 | WobWork | That's... pretty close =) |
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| 02:33.50 | WobWork | hehe Lachen heiÃt: schadenfroh sein, aber mit gutem Gewissen |
| 02:46.24 | Shirik | WobWork: What is it? |
| 02:46.51 | WobWork | "Humour is just Schadenfreude with a clear conscience." (Nietzsche) |
| 02:47.28 | Shirik | Shadenfreude being? |
| 02:47.47 | kd3 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schadenfreude |
| 02:47.57 | kd3 | the joy of seeing others' misfortune |
| 02:48.05 | kd3 | s/joy/pleasure/ |
| 02:48.11 | Shirik | why is that on wikipedia :/ |
| 02:48.17 | WobWork | It's the enjoyment experienced by watching someone else's misfortune |
| 02:48.27 | WobWork | It's not a word directly translatable into english |
| 02:48.40 | Shirik | you just translated it into english :D |
| 02:49.06 | WobWork | not as a single word =) |
| 02:49.17 | Amarande | hmm |
| 02:49.31 | Amarande | is there a 60 PvP healing set for priests, or am I looking for something that doesn't exist? |
| 02:49.41 | Amarande | I keep looking in the Hall of Legends and I find what appears to be a 60 DPS set, but not a 60 healing set |
| 02:50.46 | Gnarfoz | Schadenfreude is an english word, too. |
| 02:50.48 | kd3 | pretty sure the lv60 stuff is damage only |
| 02:50.55 | kd3 | gna; it's a loanword |
| 02:50.59 | Gnarfoz | just like Kindergarten is |
| 02:51.06 | Gnarfoz | or Rucksack] |
| 02:51.10 | Gnarfoz | or blah :> |
| 02:52.11 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: or Dasein :) |
| 02:53.06 | Gnarfoz | loan words belong to the language they're used in, not the one they come from - unlike foreign words |
| 02:53.56 | Gnarfoz | hmmm 1 hour of sleep should be enough.... |
| 02:53.57 | Gnarfoz | yay |
| 02:54.29 | WobWork | It never is =( |
| 02:54.37 | WobWork | unless it's a 1 hr nap |
| 02:56.20 | Gnarfoz | no choice, gotta 'get up' in an hour :D |
| 02:56.29 | Gnarfoz | my sleep habits will be the end of me, one day ~~ |
| 03:04.35 | Tem|afk | Awesome |
| 03:04.36 | Tem|afk | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=26368 |
| 03:04.44 | Tem|afk | "How is this spell different from 25565? |
| 03:04.44 | Tem|afk | This one is not self-only. How are you btw? |
| 03:04.44 | Tem|afk | " |
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| 03:10.01 | Shirik | nice Tem|afk |
| 03:15.20 | Kirov | lol |
| 03:20.05 | Xinhuan | heh |
| 03:20.31 | Xinhuan | 100 yards (Tower) |
| 03:20.33 | Xinhuan | tower? |
| 03:20.41 | AnduinLothar | it's not possible to transfer pve > pvp is it? |
| 03:20.49 | Xinhuan | you can |
| 03:20.54 | Xinhuan | not the other way around though |
| 03:21.06 | Tem|afk | Xinhuan, you've got it backwards |
| 03:21.12 | AnduinLothar | that' snot right. i transfered pvp > pve |
| 03:21.18 | Tem|afk | you can't go pve to pvp |
| 03:21.22 | Tem|afk | you /can/ go pvp to pve |
| 03:21.27 | Xinhuan | ahhh |
| 03:21.32 | Xinhuan | maybe i should sleep :( |
| 03:22.18 | Thrae | Sunday is always a lazy day. |
| 03:24.12 | Xinhuan | its monday ;p |
| 03:25.10 | Thrae | Xinhuan: Maybe in the Far East, not yet here in the US |
| 03:25.26 | Xinhuan | far east is where it counts :D |
| 03:26.13 | Thrae | Cairenn|afk: Are we getting a whointerface.com / warinterface.com? I just ordered me a good helpin' of Warhammer Online: Collector's Edition. |
| 03:31.59 | WobWork | goddamn mondays |
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| 03:52.36 | AnduinLothar | =D [Blessings Deck] |
| 03:52.43 | AnduinLothar | just gotta wait 2 weeks..... |
| 03:53.59 | kergoth | grats |
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| 04:09.04 | Kemayo | kergoth: Thanks for doing stuff to HandyNotes_Directions. |
| 04:12.26 | kergoth | np |
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| 04:22.19 | Syzgyn | Mwahahaha Kael down |
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| 04:31.09 | art3mis | Thrae: ordered mine a few weeks back i wish they would just open the open beta already ;) |
| 04:31.16 | kd3 | and the "ahaha @ xkcd streak around 12:30" streak continues |
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| 04:32.54 | art3mis | oh right python |
| 04:34.09 | Syzgyn | lol win |
| 04:40.53 | WobWork | it's true |
| 04:41.03 | WobWork | I'm stunned at the fantasticness of the xkcd |
| 04:48.02 | Kirov | ~seen Cide |
| 04:48.08 | purl | cide <n=Cide@hus110a.bobbnet.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 11h 17m 59s ago, saying: 'damn right.'. |
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| 04:58.44 | Shirik | (00:47:48) (purl) cide <n=Cide@hus110a.bobbnet.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 11h 17m 59s ago, saying: 'damn right.'. |
| 04:58.48 | Shirik | such a cide thing to end with ^_^ |
| 04:59.58 | ScytheBlade1 | haha so |
| 05:00.05 | ScytheBlade1 | One of the Penny Arcade entries was" |
| 05:00.08 | ScytheBlade1 | *was: |
| 05:00.10 | ScytheBlade1 | I kill. But not for vengeance. For really neat pants. |
| 05:00.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I set that as the gmotd here (and anyone has access to change it) |
| 05:00.38 | ScytheBlade1 | It has since evolved into "I kill not for vengance, but for the harvest of organs to sell on the black market." |
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| 05:21.57 | Cairenn|afk | Thrae: very possibly |
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| 05:34.36 | kd3 | bored forum GMs are amusing... http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5973991359&sid=1 |
| 05:45.27 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 05:46.11 | Syzgyn | oh god what is that video |
| 05:48.44 | Cairenn | didn't click on it, but I can guess |
| 05:49.01 | Cairenn | "They're taking the hobbits to Isengard, they're taking the hobbits to Isengard" |
| 05:49.08 | WobWork | yes = |
| 05:49.10 | WobWork | ) |
| 05:49.55 | Cairenn | my daughter is a brat and made me watch that video once, now the damn thing gets stuck in my head any time I hear the name Isengard |
| 05:51.27 | AbsoRayne | Fuck I am in over my head. |
| 05:54.06 | AbsoRayne | Nothing like going into a Hyjal BT guild, and the second night of raiding im tanking the flames. |
| 05:54.24 | Industrial | Cairenn: tatata taaa ta taaa ta taaaa |
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| 05:54.39 | Cairenn | ~whaleslap Industrial |
| 05:54.41 | purl | ACTION beats Industrial upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 05:54.43 | Industrial | ^_____^ |
| 05:54.48 | Cairenn | *grin* |
| 05:55.24 | Syzgyn | Cairenn: its that video, but in 'C64 mode!' with shitty sound |
| 05:55.34 | Cairenn | ugh |
| 05:55.46 | Syzgyn | yeah |
| 05:56.09 | [melin] | I have made a small addon that interprets the messages in guild.. but that wrecks the {skull} graphics.. (as in, displays them in text, not as icons) - anyone know how to solve that? |
| 05:58.32 | Syzgyn | uhh |
| 05:58.46 | Syzgyn | I think theres some function to add a texture to chat strings |
| 05:59.15 | Syzgyn | well, I know there is, I just dont know what its called |
| 05:59.18 | [melin] | =) |
| 05:59.29 | [melin] | Ive tried to scan wowwiki for it.. but cant find any |
| 05:59.57 | Syzgyn | I'll look in a sec |
| 06:00.36 | [melin] | thanks |
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| 06:00.58 | art3mis | hrm lightscribe is pretty awesome |
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| 06:02.39 | Shirik | art3mis: I was pretty impressed with it a few years ago |
| 06:02.42 | Shirik | how is it looking now? |
| 06:03.09 | [melin] | trying to not be totally left behind here - LS thats Microsofts reply to flash? |
| 06:03.16 | art3mis | looks really nice |
| 06:03.23 | art3mis | still about the same speed |
| 06:03.45 | art3mis | nah lightscribe is "burning an image" on a cd with the writer itself |
| 06:03.53 | art3mis | the MS thingy is Silverlight |
| 06:04.00 | [melin] | ah.. :D |
| 06:04.06 | [melin] | yea.. I knew that *cough* |
| 06:04.08 | art3mis | whihc is pretty nice in its own |
| 06:04.09 | Shirik | it's pretty cool |
| 06:04.15 | Shirik | but I don't think they have color yet, yeah? |
| 06:04.23 | art3mis | i dunno ill see when this is done |
| 06:04.25 | Shirik | I heard talks of trying to do that, but nothing I've heard in the development yet |
| 06:04.32 | art3mis | it said to pick the colour of the cd |
| 06:04.42 | Shirik | interesting |
| 06:04.43 | art3mis | but its grap[hic progress thingy is greyscale |
| 06:05.01 | art3mis | so ill know snortly |
| 06:05.15 | art3mis | and im not sure if its just the disc/silkscreen colour itself |
| 06:05.25 | art3mis | or colour in general |
| 06:05.32 | [melin] | its the disc |
| 06:05.41 | [melin] | since LS burns into the surface - sort if |
| 06:05.42 | [melin] | of |
| 06:06.01 | art3mis | nods but it cant be too hard to make it react to produce colour |
| 06:06.09 | art3mis | and get a real burning smell ;P |
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| 06:06.39 | art3mis | aside from the neatness of it i cant see if being too useable for most people because of the speed |
| 06:07.06 | art3mis | jiffy marker 3 seconds, sticky label about 5mins start to finish tis thing about 30mins |
| 06:07.13 | [melin] | to have it make colors the disc needs to have the colors embedded.. in 3 layers or something (RGB) to be able to create the colors you need |
| 06:07.34 | art3mis | nods like i said it doesnt eem that difficult in theory |
| 06:09.21 | [melin] | nah.. would just be dead expensive to create that surface.. it would have to work as an old TV with pixels in the surface :P |
| 06:09.40 | Syzgyn | [melin]: Textures can now be included in FontStrings locally using a new | escape code: |T<path>:<width>[:<height>:<xOffset>:<yOffset>]|t |
| 06:10.42 | [melin] | Syzgyn sooo.. all I need is the path to the raidicons then? and do.. well.. T|icons/skull:16:16:0:0|t ? |
| 06:10.54 | Syzgyn | something like that |
| 06:11.09 | [melin] | does that work for all textures? I mean.. spellicons etc aswell? |
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| 06:23.15 | [melin] | anyone know where I can get a table of all spell icon textures etc in WoW (including the raidicons) - UI graphics not needed |
| 06:26.34 | art3mis | heh |
| 06:26.34 | art3mis | went browsing around on how to make LS templates |
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| 06:26.57 | art3mis | and almost everyone that bought a lightscribe the first burn they did for tutorials and stuff was ultimate bootcd or hirens bootcd |
| 06:27.08 | Syzgyn | [melin]: http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:WoW_Icons |
| 06:27.10 | art3mis | as i burn hirens |
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| 06:39.32 | Shirik | You know you're an electrical engineer when this is what happens in guild chat: |
| 06:39.39 | Shirik | Guildie1: What? |
| 06:39.42 | Shirik | Guildie2: Wut? |
| 06:39.47 | Shirik | Guildie3: Weet? |
| 06:39.51 | Shirik | Guildie4: Watt? |
| 06:39.55 | Shirik | You: V^2/R? |
| 06:40.10 | nevcairiel | You're crazy |
| 06:40.14 | Cairenn | lol |
| 06:40.18 | WobWork | You're an engineer =P |
| 06:44.04 | art3mis | that doesnt make you an engineer, it makes you a nerd ;P |
| 06:44.49 | art3mis | http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/view/49796/ |
| 06:44.57 | Shirik | hey |
| 06:45.15 | Shirik | thevenin equivalent circuit -> maximum power delivered to load |
| 06:45.16 | art3mis | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHXBL6bzAR4 |
| 06:45.24 | Shirik | you need P = IR = V^2/R |
| 06:46.03 | art3mis | a REAL engineer would have gone silent and tried to find a method to punch his guildies through the intraweb |
| 06:47.04 | art3mis | of course these are the same people that disassemble the entire computer lab and set it up outside suspended 25 feet off the ground across the school common area ;P |
| 06:47.40 | Shirik | wtf? |
| 06:47.46 | art3mis | which is pretty funny too ;P |
| 06:48.10 | art3mis | tech school vs university engineer wars |
| 06:48.22 | art3mis | that happened my first year at sait |
| 06:48.30 | art3mis | sait did that to u of c |
| 06:49.05 | art3mis | thier response was to rewire the pools cleaning system so that it made a 5 knot whirlpool |
| 06:49.28 | art3mis | then we had the fax-a-pult contest |
| 06:50.22 | art3mis | EE's arent real engineers btw ;P |
| 06:50.25 | art3mis | they're nerds |
| 06:50.42 | art3mis | oh hey |
| 06:50.51 | art3mis | shrik did you ever see that railgun video? |
| 06:55.51 | art3mis | http://www.powerlabs.org/railgun2.htm |
| 06:56.15 | [melin] | meh.. path to textures in WoW is: Interface\Image\texture_name ? |
| 06:56.51 | Gngsk | double slash? |
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| 06:57.25 | [melin] | well.. is it Image or.. Spells for the spell textures etc? since buttons are located in Button :P |
| 06:57.41 | Gngsk | "Interface\\Tooltips\\UI-Tooltip-Background" |
| 06:57.57 | Gngsk | oh, you mean in the mpqs? |
| 06:58.09 | [melin] | say.. the texture for Arcane Shot |
| 06:58.18 | [melin] | or for female bloodelf |
| 06:58.33 | [melin] | or the symbols for pvp honor ranks =) |
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| 06:58.40 | ckknight | I like to use [[Interface\Tooltips\UI-Tooltip-Background]], that way I don't have to deal with backslashes, and it looks nicer |
| 06:58.51 | Gngsk | nice tip ckk |
| 06:59.56 | art3mis | http://www.i-am-bored.com/im_bored_cat_9_1.htm |
| 07:03.11 | WobWork | 'pree-sen-tation'? |
| 07:03.32 | art3mis | http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=29116 |
| 07:03.36 | art3mis | ^^ cool |
| 07:04.06 | art3mis | the railgun link is pretty awesome |
| 07:04.18 | art3mis | firing a projectile at mach 8 |
| 07:06.00 | WobWork | hehe |
| 07:06.22 | art3mis | http://www.sharperimage.com/us/en/catalog/product/sku__BZ100 |
| 07:10.35 | WobWork | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkDBlEvfbgg |
| 07:10.42 | Shirik | art3mis, helps to spell my name right to make a ping :P |
| 07:10.48 | Shirik | I don't know what you're talking about though |
| 07:10.50 | Shirik | night |
| 07:11.15 | batrick | night shirik |
| 07:11.20 | batrick | happy 420! |
| 07:12.59 | art3mis | You've probably heard of Isaac Newton. He's pretty much the Jesus of physics. In the late 17th century, Newton practically fucking invented science. The discoveries we can thank him for include the laws of motion, the visible spectrum, the speed of sound, the law of cooling, and calculus. Yes, all of goddamn calculus. One wonders if anybody in history ever had a thought before Newton. |
| 07:13.02 | art3mis | hahah |
| 07:13.50 | Elkano | he even invented gravity... I wonder how people kept on earth before that ;) |
| 07:14.00 | art3mis | ignorance |
| 07:14.15 | art3mis | or magic |
| 07:14.30 | art3mis | im gonna go with a healthy dose of religious zealotry though |
| 07:14.31 | ckknight | art3mis: he also did most of his work before the age of 25 |
| 07:14.45 | art3mis | http://www.cracked.com/article_16101_5-most-ridiculous-lies-you-were-taught-in-history-class.html |
| 07:14.55 | art3mis | i just like the way they worded the whole thing |
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| 07:16.38 | stew_a | anyone know if there are other chat escape codes apart from |c |h |t |r ? |
| 07:18.04 | stew_a | and/or how i can increase the character capacity of the ChatFrameEditBox that actually works? |
| 07:19.31 | art3mis | The fuzzy little raccoon. Despite its adorable eyes and overall cuteness, this animal doesn't have a lot going for it (though if it was domesticated it'd probably be more popular then dogs, what with their adorable little people-hands). |
| 07:21.03 | art3mis | http://www.cracked.com/article_16117_6-formerly-kickass-creatures-ruined-by-evolution.html |
| 07:22.19 | art3mis | hahaha |
| 07:22.25 | art3mis | watch the sloth crossing the road video |
| 07:25.25 | ckknight | Stanzilla: |T (but it ends in |t) |
| 07:26.52 | art3mis | http://www.cracked.com/video_16019_video-game-pitch-meeting-1979.html |
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| 07:41.41 | ckknight | why can't I fight this in wow? http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/wong/evolution/sloth1.jpg |
| 07:41.50 | ckknight | I should be able to, seems like it belongs in the barrens |
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| 07:42.48 | reqol | how is everyone doing? |
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| 08:48.06 | [melin] | son of a.. Im not able to get it to work :( |
| 08:48.58 | [melin] | using AddMessage to ChatFrame1 to display a message - when I add |T<path>:<width>[:<height>:<xOffset>:<yOffset>]|t to it - I dont get any icons.. I get the plain text |
| 08:49.24 | Antiarc | Use \124 instead of | |
| 08:49.46 | [melin] | ..? |
| 08:49.53 | Antiarc | | is automatically escaped |
| 08:50.11 | Antiarc | \124T<path>:width\124t |
| 08:50.15 | Antiarc | Give that a shot. |
| 08:52.38 | [melin] | and double \\ all \ in the path? |
| 08:53.43 | [melin] | you know what? it works! |
| 08:53.48 | [melin] | thanks a TON |
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| 09:03.34 | [melin] | anyone know the texture paths to the raidicons? |
| 09:06.33 | Kirov | It's one texture |
| 09:06.46 | haste | Kirov: they added a seperate list also |
| 09:07.15 | Kirov | Oh? |
| 09:07.25 | [melin] | anyone know the path(s)? :D |
| 09:07.33 | Kirov | Interface\\TargetingFrame\\UI-RaidTargetingIcons is the one I know. |
| 09:07.34 | haste | [melin]: /dump ICON_LIST |
| 09:07.51 | Kirov | Interface\\TargetingFrame\\UI-RaidTargetingIcon_1 |
| 09:07.53 | Kirov | -8 |
| 09:07.58 | [melin] | thanks |
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| 09:13.19 | Mikk | vithos: humm.. does that error go away after a relog / reload? |
| 09:15.15 | vithos | it's not erroring now, and i've relogged since then, so yeah |
| 09:15.38 | Mikk | Okay. Good. Then I don't know why it happens, but I know how to fix it :o) |
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| 09:33.56 | [melin] | haste what do /dump do? |
| 09:34.03 | haste | ~devtools |
| 09:34.06 | purl | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? |
| 09:34.33 | [melin] | ah |
| 09:34.58 | [melin] | trying to locate the texture paths for the pvp rank icons |
| 09:35.08 | [melin] | and class, race etc |
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| 09:47.47 | [melin] | is there any GetUnitRaidIcon function? |
| 09:49.07 | |Snago| | ~api GetRaidTargetIndex |
| 09:49.10 | purl | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetRaidTargetIndex |
| 09:49.24 | [melin] | yes.. but does that work for mobs aswell? |
| 09:49.48 | [melin] | oh |
| 09:49.50 | [melin] | << stupid |
| 09:49.56 | |Snago| | Yes, as long as it has a valid unit |
| 09:50.01 | |Snago| | Like "target" |
| 09:50.25 | |Snago| | or "raid12target" |
| 09:50.42 | [melin] | yup |
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| 10:26.43 | [melin] | Snago got any idea of what the paths are for the raidicon textures? |
| 10:26.50 | [melin] | cant find it on wowwiki or anywhere for that matter |
| 10:26.59 | [melin] | uhm,.. |
| 10:27.04 | [melin] | pvp rank icons - not raid |
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| 10:35.17 | ckknight | [melin]: um, do you have PitBull? |
| 10:35.31 | ckknight | wait, rank icons? |
| 10:35.32 | [melin] | hmm. no |
| 10:35.34 | ckknight | no, nvm |
| 10:35.36 | ckknight | dunno about that |
| 10:35.40 | [melin] | yea.. for Grunt, Private etc |
| 10:36.33 | Snago | ~FrameXML |
| 10:36.34 | purl | Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ or view it online at http://wdnaddons.com/ |
| 10:36.54 | Snago | look in there [melin] |
| 10:37.14 | [melin] | thanks |
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| 10:40.53 | Snago | [melin]: Specificly http://wdnaddons.com/2418124/FrameXML/PlayerFrame.lua the function that starts on line 65 |
| 10:49.20 | sacarasc | hmmm... is there a way to make a macro do something if one has a buff on? |
| 10:50.05 | [melin] | no |
| 10:50.16 | [melin] | used to, but not anymore |
| 10:56.13 | sacarasc | there goes my idea of targetting the MT and healing when it's instant ;( |
| 10:58.00 | [melin] | heh.,. |
| 10:58.08 | [melin] | I have a macro for that |
| 10:58.41 | [melin] | under what path is UI-CharacterCreate-Classes_Hunter located... :P |
| 11:00.07 | [melin] | sacarasc I'll send the macro in private message |
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| 11:20.05 | art3mis | http://www.gogamer.com/Razer-Diamondback-Plasma-Limited-Edition-Gaming-Mouse-PC-Games_stcVVproductId4758992VVcatId444758VVviewprod.htm |
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| 11:30.27 | ramoz | 7ignore #wowuidev JOINS PARTS QUITS |
| 11:30.33 | ramoz | 7ignore #wowuidev JOINS PARTS QUITS |
| 11:30.36 | ramoz | err! |
| 11:32.10 | [melin] | ..? |
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| 11:32.20 | [melin] | trying to sort some spam? |
| 11:32.55 | _rane | actually he's trying to get rid of it |
| 11:33.16 | [melin] | yes.. as in sort it |
| 11:35.56 | ramoz | yeah, i always do that in big channels |
| 11:37.39 | [melin] | ok |
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| 11:43.31 | [melin] | ckknight you know where the class textures are located? |
| 11:43.43 | ckknight | not off the top of my head |
| 11:44.03 | [melin] | cant find any direction of their paths on wowwiki.. |
| 11:50.42 | Tem | ahahahaa awesome |
| 11:50.47 | Tem | So, I'm in WSG right |
| 11:50.57 | Tem | and I'm fighting their flag carrier |
| 11:51.01 | Tem | a warlock (on my mage) |
| 11:51.04 | Tem | he's kicking my ass |
| 11:51.09 | Tem | then our FC dies |
| 11:51.13 | Tem | and I die |
| 11:51.19 | Tem | but I don't get ported to the GY |
| 11:51.37 | Tem | I franticly click the the Ressurect button, and BAM I rez in their flag room |
| 11:52.03 | Tem | I grab the flag as the lock (who just killed me) gets to the spot to cap the flag |
| 11:52.19 | Tem | (oh, btw, the score was 2-2 so if he had capped it would have been the game winner) |
| 11:52.36 | Tem | As I grab the flag, some support for me descends on the flag room |
| 11:52.40 | Tem | I make it out alive |
| 11:52.45 | Tem | get all the way to our flag room |
| 11:52.52 | Tem | and sit to drink |
| 11:53.03 | Tem | and then the lag hits |
| 11:53.20 | Tem | I'm stuck sitting there for a good 2 minutes |
| 11:53.25 | Tem | I hear our flag return |
| 11:53.31 | Tem | and I can still read bg chat |
| 11:53.35 | Tem | but I can't do anything |
| 11:53.59 | Tem | so then all at once, I see 6 horde appear in front of me |
| 11:54.04 | Tem | I hear bloodlust go off |
| 11:54.08 | Tem | and a pally stuns me |
| 11:54.16 | Tem | but then, I get ported to the GY |
| 11:54.23 | Tem | Still holding the flag |
| 11:54.27 | Tem | still at 100% hp |
| 11:55.07 | Tem | run back to the room, kill the guy that just picked up our flag easily because we've both got the 50% damage debuffs |
| 11:55.21 | Tem | and win the game |
| 11:55.36 | Tem | okay, done with my wall of text. |
| 11:55.57 | reqol | Tem: kinda sucks for the other team, heh |
| 11:56.07 | Tem|afk | meh |
| 11:56.19 | Tem|afk | horde wins 80% in my battlegroup |
| 11:56.40 | Tem|afk | if I just made it 79% for today, they'll get over it |
| 11:57.12 | reqol | haha |
| 11:57.16 | reqol | great story, though : ) |
| 11:58.40 | Tem|afk | I fully expect a GM to get a ticket about it |
| 11:59.06 | Tem|afk | oh well |
| 11:59.09 | Tem|afk | off to bed with me |
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| 12:17.54 | stew_a | anyone know if the stationery picker in the mailframe was ever actually used/finished? |
| 12:19.35 | [melin] | sorry no |
| 12:22.19 | _rane | hi, i need very simple visual countdown timer/bar, what's the easiest way to do that? |
| 12:23.36 | [melin] | whats the latest version number for addons to not have them out of date? |
| 12:23.59 | Industrial | you mean the TOC version? |
| 12:24.01 | Industrial | 20400 |
| 12:24.08 | Industrial | most addons still work though |
| 12:24.36 | [melin] | yea toc |
| 12:24.36 | Industrial | out of date doesnt mean "broken" :) |
| 12:24.40 | [melin] | I know =) |
| 12:24.46 | Industrial | k, you never know :> |
| 12:25.09 | [melin] | Ive made an addon for our guild and its easier to make it up to date than explain to 30 people that they can click "Enable out of date addons" |
| 12:27.05 | Industrial | hehe |
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| 12:28.08 | Elkano | short term, yes. but long term you explain once and profit in future |
| 12:28.08 | Elkano | they'll propagate the info |
| 12:29.41 | [melin] | Elkano you've never done computer support have you? =) |
| 12:32.06 | Tem|afk | rofl |
| 12:32.07 | Tem|afk | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5974041491&postId=59737362608&sid=1#25 |
| 12:32.26 | Elkano | melin, countless times :/ |
| 12:33.08 | Elkano | but that way worked in my guild ^^ you just have to be strong enough to survive the first few month |
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| 12:39.05 | stew_a | meh, fontstrings cant have scripts can they? |
| 12:40.29 | haste | they can't |
| 12:41.41 | stew_a | probably explains why my getscript, hookscript and setscript calls arent working then lol |
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| 12:48.40 | Mikk | ~Mikk |
| 12:48.41 | purl | i guess mikk is NOT the guy that wrote MSBT. He likes fiddling with central libraries. He will happily accept orders for WoW related graphics to keep him occupied. |
| 12:48.43 | Mikk | Elkano: ^ |
| 12:54.35 | Hjalte | Mikk: Do you still do WoW related graphics? |
| 12:54.54 | Mikk | yes but kinda busy now |
| 12:55.01 | Mikk | as in the past bunch of weeks |
| 12:55.43 | Hjalte | Mikk: Oh, that's a shame, I was just following a discussion ckknight had earlier about art for the new Cartographer :) The blizzard cosmic map won't do. |
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| 13:02.39 | ckknight | Hjalte: :-P |
| 13:03.17 | Hjalte | ckknight: :D |
| 13:03.26 | ckknight | hehe |
| 13:03.29 | TheZanke | Me: =Þ |
| 13:03.45 | TheZanke | Sorry, wanted to be special too |
| 13:03.59 | ckknight | I got incompatible encoding, TheZanke |
| 13:04.03 | ckknight | use unicode, like a real man |
| 13:04.10 | TheZanke | haha |
| 13:13.11 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight what would be the best & most effective procedure to get myself unbanned from #wowace ? :P |
| 13:13.41 | ckknight | speak to an op besides Tem |
| 13:13.47 | ckknight | and not me, I can't get involved |
| 13:14.02 | sag_ich_nicht | meh |
| 13:14.48 | [melin] | Id say follow the rules in the first place? :D |
| 13:14.49 | Elkano | what got you banned? |
| 13:15.48 | ckknight | Elkano: he pointed out Tem's hypocrisy in a mean fashion |
| 13:15.57 | ckknight | afaik |
| 13:16.01 | sag_ich_nicht | correct |
| 13:16.11 | Elkano | when? |
| 13:16.13 | Elkano | ~logs |
| 13:16.14 | purl | methinks logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 13:16.16 | Bela|work | apparently I missed something fun |
| 13:18.53 | Elkano | ok, looked at the logs... for that last sentence I would have banned you, too I think |
| 13:19.45 | sag_ich_nicht | Elkano: well, if you would check before that, i had a reason for that. |
| 13:20.31 | Elkano | still you don't say such things to the ones with more power then you got |
| 13:20.33 | sag_ich_nicht | it's hypocritic to throw around insults in a "joking" manner and then get offended if someone does the same to you. |
| 13:20.37 | sag_ich_nicht | Elkano: yes i do |
| 13:20.56 | Elkano | so personaly I'd say the way to get yourself unbanned would be getting things straight with Tem |
| 13:21.12 | sag_ich_nicht | Elkano: if you don't point out that people in power are hypocrites, who will? |
| 13:21.45 | ckknight | lousy faux-governmental authority figures |
| 13:22.17 | sag_ich_nicht | by your own argument Elkano, would you question it if a police officer walked up to you on the street and asked you for your ID for no apparent reason? |
| 13:23.22 | Elkano | who wouldn't. But telling him to "f**k off an die" wouldn't solve anything |
| 13:23.39 | ckknight | Elkano: worked for the American Revolutionaries |
| 13:23.42 | ckknight | lousy monarchs. |
| 13:24.01 | Elkano | it was war and they payed better |
| 13:24.19 | ckknight | payed better? |
| 13:24.23 | ckknight | and who is they? |
| 13:24.36 | Elkano | on the other hand, you voted Bush, didn't you? ;) |
| 13:24.38 | sag_ich_nicht | Elkano: it's a provocative action that exposes the hypocrisy in the most public way |
| 13:24.50 | ralfWORK | wow what did I walk into |
| 13:25.36 | ckknight | Elkano: no, for one, I was underage in the last election. For two, Bush is too much of a liberal for me |
| 13:25.39 | Mikk | Well, what happened was that sag_ich_nicht was an annoying sod like he always is |
| 13:25.42 | Mikk | And Tem banned him |
| 13:25.46 | Mikk | And I'm perfectly happy with that personally |
| 13:25.50 | Elkano | sag_ich_nicht: still it would have been better to simply ignore him or file a complain to eg Ka.el.te.n |
| 13:25.54 | ralfWORK | oh I see |
| 13:26.08 | sag_ich_nicht | Elkano i wonder why you are scared of highlighting Kaelten now. |
| 13:26.15 | sag_ich_nicht | and i just did that action for you, just in case. |
| 13:26.44 | Elkano | why would I be scared, don't have any problems with him; just didn't see the need to do so |
| 13:26.53 | sag_ich_nicht | oh, sure. |
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| 13:29.06 | ralfWORK | ckknight: too liberal? I do believe that's the first time I've heard someone say that about Bush lol |
| 13:29.25 | ckknight | what? Bush is a huge liberal when you get down to brass tacks |
| 13:29.31 | ckknight | goddamn No Child Left Behind |
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| 13:29.45 | ralfWORK | I didn't say you were wrong |
| 13:29.46 | ckknight | his few conservative acts are far outweighed by his many liberal ones |
| 13:30.01 | ralfWORK | just the first time I've heard someone say that about him :) |
| 13:30.22 | ckknight | yea |
| 13:31.05 | ckknight | granted, I'll likely be voting McCain in the next election, cause he's the least evil that I see, but I still disagree with quite a few of his policies |
| 13:31.13 | ckknight | :-P |
| 13:31.30 | ralfWORK | now he is someone quite liberal |
| 13:31.37 | sag_ich_nicht | gah |
| 13:31.42 | sag_ich_nicht | okay stop |
| 13:31.44 | sag_ich_nicht | would you STOP |
| 13:31.45 | ralfWORK | and it's sad that he's basically the only option at this point |
| 13:31.46 | sag_ich_nicht | ABUSING |
| 13:31.56 | sag_ich_nicht | the english language? |
| 13:32.02 | ckknight | I agree, but comparing him to the competition on the liberal-conservative scale with Clinton and Obama, he comes out on the right |
| 13:32.08 | sag_ich_nicht | ~define liberal |
| 13:32.09 | purl | Use ~dict for definitions. |
| 13:32.13 | sag_ich_nicht | ~dict liberal |
| 13:32.22 | ckknight | I use liberal in the Fox News sense |
| 13:32.26 | ckknight | :-P |
| 13:32.33 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah |
| 13:32.34 | sag_ich_nicht | stop that |
| 13:32.37 | sag_ich_nicht | or i'll hurt you |
| 13:32.37 | ckknight | why? |
| 13:32.43 | ckknight | we're discussing American politics |
| 13:32.47 | sag_ich_nicht | i don't care. |
| 13:32.49 | sag_ich_nicht | it's wrong. |
| 13:32.51 | ckknight | if we were discussing European politics, it'd be a different matter |
| 13:33.11 | ckknight | no, not colloquially |
| 13:33.13 | Roblibob | liberal wingbats! |
| 13:33.14 | ckknight | it's quite alright |
| 13:33.20 | ckknight | pinkos! |
| 13:33.23 | ckknight | :-P |
| 13:33.29 | Lopeppeppy | Orangeos! |
| 13:33.31 | ralfWORK | yea, could say commie bastards |
| 13:33.41 | ralfWORK | but I figured "liberal" would be a touch more PC ;) |
| 13:33.52 | sag_ich_nicht | look |
| 13:33.53 | ckknight | leftist also works |
| 13:34.30 | ckknight | sag_ich_nicht: what? the liberals stole my word, they took it from me. Now I'm stuck with either "classical liberal" or libertarian |
| 13:34.40 | sag_ich_nicht | the american definition of liberal is way too vague and a fillword |
| 13:34.47 | ralfWORK | regardless of the english lesson |
| 13:34.59 | ralfWORK | I'd say mccain is just barely right of center |
| 13:35.05 | ckknight | I'd agree with that |
| 13:35.14 | ckknight | I'm not fond of America's voting system |
| 13:35.21 | ralfWORK | heh |
| 13:35.25 | ckknight | I wish we had something along the lines of score voting instead |
| 13:35.31 | ckknight | as compared to the ballot system |
| 13:35.45 | ralfWORK | I can't say I'm fond of it either, but I don't pretend to be an expert on it so I don't know that there's a better option |
| 13:35.52 | ckknight | which is in turn layered on top of an electoral system |
| 13:36.09 | ralfWORK | I wish people who voted weren't total idiots |
| 13:36.39 | ckknight | ralfWORK: score voting is basically choosing a number 0 through 10 for each candidate, like how they do for the Olympics. It's a mathematically optimal voting system |
| 13:36.50 | sag_ich_nicht | look |
| 13:36.52 | ralfWORK | ckknight: ahh ok |
| 13:37.02 | sag_ich_nicht | don't start at the damn sheets |
| 13:37.14 | ralfWORK | huh? |
| 13:37.37 | ckknight | a geniocracy sounds nice, but I feel it'd be corrupted by rules and regulations preventing certain political undesirables from voting entirely. The safest path is to let everyone vote |
| 13:37.52 | sag_ich_nicht | start at the damn tree of the system, not having every vote actually count is a stupid and moronic system |
| 13:38.03 | _rane | how do i coerce number into a string? |
| 13:38.12 | ralfWORK | the safest path is to let everyone vote, yes |
| 13:38.15 | ckknight | _rane: tostring(x) or x..'' |
| 13:38.22 | ckknight | _rane: first is much safer |
| 13:38.41 | ckknight | _rane: or ("%f"):format(x) or ("%d"):format(x) |
| 13:38.46 | ckknight | depending |
| 13:38.59 | sag_ich_nicht | ballot voting isn't the first thing you should worry about, honestly |
| 13:39.00 | _rane | tostring seems to work, thanks |
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| 13:39.13 | Mikk | and if you have local format=string.format, format("%d", x) is faster |
| 13:39.17 | Mikk | by about 15% |
| 13:39.34 | ckknight | what? |
| 13:39.42 | ckknight | I think it looks better |
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| 13:39.46 | ckknight | sag_ich_nicht: well, ballot voting creates a duopoly |
| 13:39.49 | ckknight | of sorts |
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| 13:41.56 | ralfWORK | ckknight: hmm. score voting sounds nice. again, I have to wonder if it would work well on the scale we're talking about |
| 13:42.10 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight: i know, still, you shouldn't worry about that atm because there are bigger problems with the way the american election is done, i'm currently trying to look up what i mean because i don't know what the proper term for it is :P |
| 13:42.17 | ralfWORK | too many systems work great on paper and utterly fail when it comes time to get it to work |
| 13:42.23 | ckknight | the math behind it works for huge sizes, even country-sized |
| 13:42.38 | ckknight | sag_ich_nicht: electoral college? |
| 13:43.22 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight: yupp |
| 13:43.26 | Atriace | I may just not be seeing the light of day, but why would someone want to use GetPlayerBuffX() over UnitBuff()? Doesn't UnitBuff() provide all the functionality one needs? |
| 13:43.30 | sag_ich_nicht | that's what i meant |
| 13:43.43 | Saint-N | electroal is such a pile of crap |
| 13:43.56 | sag_ich_nicht | it had it's purpose back in the day of horse couriers and slow communications |
| 13:43.57 | Saint-N | it worked back in the day where horse was the fastest way to communicate |
| 13:44.02 | Saint-N | heh |
| 13:44.09 | ckknight | Atriace: GetPlayerBuff returns different values, index is different, said index lets you dispell said buffs. Also, it provides expire time for all buffs on you, not just the ones you cast |
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| 13:44.12 | sag_ich_nicht | but nowadays it's an unfair and easily baised system |
| 13:44.13 | Saint-N | but it really should have been overhauled a long time ago |
| 13:44.22 | ckknight | sag_ich_nicht: yea, I agree |
| 13:44.52 | ckknight | a popular score-voting system would be the most optimal voting system I can see, but it's so unlikely to happen |
| 13:45.24 | Atriace | ckknight: so you're saying it's impossible to determine expire time on buffs you didn't cast on a target? |
| 13:45.35 | ckknight | you can guesstimate |
| 13:45.40 | sag_ich_nicht | i hate that word. |
| 13:45.45 | sag_ich_nicht | ~lart ckknight |
| 13:45.45 | purl | judo chops ckknight |
| 13:45.47 | Atriace | that's.... that's horrible. |
| 13:45.50 | ckknight | I guesstimated your mom, sag_ich_nicht |
| 13:47.08 | ralfWORK | hehe |
| 13:48.12 | Elkano | also last time I checked GetPlayerBuff and UnitBuff differed in time, but maybe that's fixed by now |
| 13:49.42 | sag_ich_nicht | e.g. the electoral college caused GWB to win the 2004 election, altho al gore had more votes(if that is a good or bad thing is not up to discussion, that's a different topic altogether) and, and that's what's the bigger problem about it is imho, causes lower voter motivation in states that are considered to fall for one party anyway |
| 13:50.00 | ckknight | sag_ich_nicht: 2000, not 2004 |
| 13:50.10 | sag_ich_nicht | argh |
| 13:50.11 | sag_ich_nicht | typo |
| 13:50.19 | sag_ich_nicht | i have this weird numblock here |
| 13:50.21 | ckknight | he got the popular vote in 2004 |
| 13:50.23 | sag_ich_nicht | besides my keyboard |
| 13:50.26 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight: yes i know |
| 13:50.37 | sag_ich_nicht | ckknight: +al gore wasn't up in 2004 :P |
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| 14:08.41 | Atriace | doh |
| 14:08.48 | Atriace | Anybody remember where the dev kit for AddOns is on Blizzard's site? |
| 14:09.02 | Atriace | I haven't updated my copy in a while. |
| 14:09.53 | Kaso | ~framexml |
| 14:09.54 | purl | Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ or view it online at http://wdnaddons.com/ |
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| 14:42.45 | Dhraga | A question: Anyone know of an addon that allows raidleaders to organize the groups before inviting, and can store different setups to easily reorganize the raid groups ? |
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| 14:46.03 | Mikk | No, but I'd kiss the inner thies of someone that pointed me at one |
| 14:46.29 | Dhraga | =) |
| 14:46.59 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, let me go look, I saw one the other day.... |
| 14:47.26 | Lopeppeppy | pucker up Mikk... http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8369-GroupOMatic.html |
| 14:47.36 | ralfWORK | Dhraga: that sounds pretty... interesting! |
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| 14:50.27 | Dhraga | lopeppeppy, thanks Ill look into it |
| 14:50.44 | Mikk | hmmmmm no that's just arranging the raid i think |
| 14:50.49 | Mikk | i want planning prior to invite |
| 14:51.13 | Mikk | preferably shared planning with other RLs |
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| 14:53.53 | Mikk | But I see now how Dhraga wanted that thing, and how I wanted something entirely different |
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| 14:54.14 | leethal | when was heroics nerfed? |
| 14:54.24 | Mikk | they're constantly being nerfed |
| 14:54.24 | Dhraga | Hmm no, actually that isn't what i was serching for |
| 14:54.29 | ralfWORK | were they? |
| 14:54.36 | ralfWORK | like a global nerf? |
| 14:54.38 | ralfWORK | idk |
| 14:54.38 | Dhraga | I read up on it and looked into the template.lua |
| 14:54.40 | Mikk | every patch one or several heroics get nerfed |
| 14:54.45 | ralfWORK | yes, sure |
| 14:55.04 | ralfWORK | I don't think there's been a global nerf to them but I could be wrong |
| 14:55.18 | leethal | not sure, but they are so much easier now than, uhm, a year ago |
| 14:55.35 | ralfWORK | I know they keep getting easier, but I keep getting gear too |
| 14:55.37 | Dhraga | mikk the group-o-maticdid not have the option to type in names and organize groups in advance in-game |
| 14:56.11 | ralfWORK | so I don't know if it's because they are nerfed or because I'm gearing up :P |
| 14:57.10 | leethal | well this is on a new-ish char, so it's not the gear |
| 14:57.27 | ralfWORK | you running with 4 other newish chars though? |
| 14:58.39 | Dhraga | Mikk, as I wrote to workinghard in the wowace channel.... well i always prefere to write down the different group/raid setup I want on different bosses in advance. And if I had a addon that would allow me to do that in the game, and just reorganize the groups with a click I'd be a verry happy RL. |
| 14:58.55 | leethal | ralfWORK: yeah |
| 15:00.09 | Dhraga | But as to this point I have found no such addon =/ |
| 15:00.40 | Lopeppeppy | The one I posted is not helpful? Tragic sigh. |
| 15:00.41 | Xinhuan | http://thepiratebootybay.com/ THE best addon site! |
| 15:00.46 | Xinhuan | rofl, someone's new signature is that now |
| 15:01.04 | leethal | O_o |
| 15:02.28 | ralfWORK | hmm |
| 15:02.31 | ralfWORK | what is it? :( |
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| 15:02.52 | ralfWORK | ahahahahah |
| 15:03.00 | ralfWORK | tell me it doesn't just... oh wow |
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| 15:18.01 | Shirik|zZz | anyone here play guitar hero? |
| 15:19.06 | Fisker- | moar liek heroin hero amirite? |
| 15:19.51 | Valaron|Work | I've never played it. |
| 15:20.37 | Valaron|Work | Mario Kart Wii is coming out next week. |
| 15:20.44 | ckknight | Fisker-: I'll catch the dragon one day |
| 15:20.53 | Valaron|Work | ... in the US |
| 15:20.53 | ckknight | Shirik: I play Rock Band |
| 15:21.10 | Shirik | eh, looking for someone who knows the song "One" really |
| 15:23.21 | ralfWORK | you mean in game, or just has heard of the song? |
| 15:26.04 | Shirik | in game |
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| 15:26.57 | p3lim | is there a way to avoid Track Humanoids beeing automaticly put on when entering cat form? |
| 15:27.29 | [melin] | yea.. track something else when cat and it wont put it back next time.. atleast not for me |
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| 15:36.01 | Saint-N | try massaging your groin with a fist full of glass |
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| 15:45.52 | Shirik | I wonder why Blizzard doesn't block URLs from players under level 5 or something |
| 15:46.11 | nevcairiel | too complicated :P |
| 15:46.16 | ralfWORK | why don't they just block level 5s from speaking or messaging |
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| 15:46.20 | ralfWORK | I think that would be great |
| 15:46.26 | Shirik | there could be reasons to speak |
| 15:46.34 | ralfWORK | none of them important |
| 15:46.36 | Shirik | but there is rarely a reason to send a message |
| 15:46.45 | Shirik | sure there is; bank alt? |
| 15:46.51 | ralfWORK | I'll level my bank alt to 5 |
| 15:46.58 | ralfWORK | it's not that hard |
| 15:47.04 | ralfWORK | could do it in an hour |
| 15:47.41 | Shirik | I still like my idea of an AI network |
| 15:47.49 | Shirik | if I get some free time this summer I might work on that |
| 15:48.31 | Polarina | Shirik: Why not just auto-ban everyone that says www.<blabla>.* where 'blabla' is a list of known gold selling sites? |
| 15:48.36 | batrick | lol |
| 15:48.47 | Shirik | because those can change with ease |
| 15:49.04 | ralfWORK | URL banning is not simple |
| 15:49.14 | ralfWORK | I've done that shit before |
| 15:49.16 | ralfWORK | it's never easy |
| 15:49.33 | batrick | the best idea it to make a mod that auto ignores all messages from people under level 20 that match %w*%.com |
| 15:49.37 | Polarina | s/auto-ban/auto-"Report Spam"/ |
| 15:49.43 | Funkeh` | I'm doing urlbanning at the moment and its like writing an anti virus product |
| 15:49.50 | Shirik | because I am a strong opponent of auto-reporting |
| 15:49.55 | nevcairiel | batrick: mods getting player level on whisper needs a who query :( |
| 15:49.57 | Polarina | Shirik: Why? |
| 15:50.03 | batrick | nevcairiel: o :( |
| 15:50.11 | ralfWORK | Funkeh`: exactly |
| 15:50.18 | Shirik | because it has the potential of being hazardous |
| 15:50.20 | batrick | that rly sucks |
| 15:50.33 | Polarina | Shirik: Have you seen the method Relegation uses? |
| 15:50.37 | Shirik | Yes |
| 15:50.39 | nevcairiel | didnt they disable auto reporting anyway? |
| 15:50.45 | Shirik | they disabled sending in GM tickets |
| 15:50.47 | ralfWORK | I used to work for a dating website |
| 15:50.48 | Shirik | for that exact reason |
| 15:51.02 | Funkeh` | I used ato reporting, but its easily turned off |
| 15:51.07 | Polarina | Shirik: And that method is bad, too? |
| 15:51.16 | nevcairiel | that report spam button probably ends up in some /dev/null sink |
| 15:51.22 | Shirik | It falls into the category of what I said earlier about being too easily countered |
| 15:51.23 | ralfWORK | we had been tasked to ban URLs, email addresses and IM contact info in people's profiles |
| 15:51.24 | nevcairiel | at least you get them on the ignore list |
| 15:51.34 | ralfWORK | you have no idea how creative people became to get around that :P |
| 15:51.44 | Funkeh` | lol |
| 15:51.47 | nevcairiel | ralfWORK: human validation |
| 15:51.50 | Polarina | Shirik: Yes, but it's a guarantee it won't report on false basis. |
| 15:52.12 | Shirik | I would argue against "guarantee" |
| 15:52.17 | Shirik | but very little can be guaranteed in this world |
| 15:52.27 | nevcairiel | specially in software |
| 15:52.32 | Polarina | Shirik: Unless it's a error on my side, it's a guarantee. |
| 15:52.47 | Shirik | What happens if I go "Hey someone ban the guy that keeps saying 'insert quote here'" |
| 15:53.11 | Polarina | Shirik: It matches the whole message, not partial. |
| 15:53.18 | Funkeh` | Shirik, then the gm will see it and ignore it |
| 15:53.21 | Funkeh` | :D |
| 15:53.30 | Shirik | Funkeh` missed my point completely >< |
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| 15:54.12 | nevcairiel | getting around a 100% full message match is so easy on the spamemrs side |
| 15:54.21 | nevcairiel | they just have to change their prices or something =P |
| 15:54.30 | nevcairiel | or add some random junk at the end |
| 15:54.35 | nevcairiel | that method fails |
| 15:54.38 | Polarina | Shirik: Early versions of Relegation had a change of 1 against 1.157920892e+76 to report a message on false basis but that's not the case anymore. |
| 15:54.45 | Funkeh` | I only use a website match, it's not flawless but so far it's worked 99% |
| 15:54.56 | Funkeh` | the 1% being missrd urls |
| 15:55.02 | Funkeh` | missed* |
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| 15:57.46 | Funkeh` | I suppose it's back to the case of 'can't please everyone' ;p |
| 15:57.52 | Shirik | Funkeh`, no luck with captcha? |
| 15:58.14 | Shirik | When we were having trouble on my guild's site, we implemented a captcha feature and essentially eliminated it completely |
| 15:58.28 | Shirik | they started using the web team problem report form to submit their spam, lol |
| 15:58.35 | Shirik | fortunately I'm the only one that sees that |
| 15:58.49 | ralfWORK | interesting that it would considering that captchas are crackable |
| 15:59.02 | Shirik | I am very impressed by IPB's |
| 15:59.18 | Shirik | it's pretty easy to read while looking very difficult for a computer to understand |
| 15:59.20 | Matrix110 | check the new rapidshare captchas cant even read them as a human :P |
| 15:59.31 | Funkeh` | lol |
| 15:59.42 | Matrix110 | I tried it 6 times before i made it |
| 15:59.47 | haste | Matrix110: they are awesome! |
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| 16:00.00 | nevcairiel | Did you see the upcoming changes for vBulletin? some pretty hawt features |
| 16:00.10 | Shirik | http://www.guardianhq.com/forums/index.php?act=Reg&CODE=10 |
| 16:00.14 | Shirik | that's a sample of IPB's |
| 16:00.17 | Shirik | using GD2 |
| 16:00.25 | Matrix110 | But well Rapidshare had to get really hard captchas to ban these "reconnect modem router" and leech warez stuff tools |
| 16:00.30 | Shirik | sorry for the unreadable text |
| 16:00.37 | Shirik | that's not the captcha part, lol |
| 16:01.02 | Matrix110 | thats easy Shirik for a human to read |
| 16:01.09 | Shirik | exactly |
| 16:01.16 | Funkeh` | werent they changing vbulletin into myspace |
| 16:01.18 | Shirik | (11:58:54) (@Shirik) it's pretty easy to read while looking very difficult for a computer to understand |
| 16:01.18 | nevcairiel | probably easy for a compy too |
| 16:01.23 | Funkeh` | by the looks of it |
| 16:01.28 | Funkeh` | social network |
| 16:01.30 | Shirik | eh, I haven't had much trouble with it at all |
| 16:02.01 | Matrix110 | nah that is easy Shirik the letters have the same size same look always, no deformation not enough background noise imho |
| 16:02.10 | Shirik | eh, can't argue with success |
| 16:02.11 | nevcairiel | our guild fails at that, we get so much spam, and our GM wanted to upgrade our forums for half a year, but nothing happend yet |
| 16:02.21 | Shirik | we've been using that for about 2 years now |
| 16:02.35 | Matrix110 | well |
| 16:02.39 | Matrix110 | the question is |
| 16:02.43 | Matrix110 | does somebody WANT to crack it or not |
| 16:02.58 | Shirik | As I said earlier, before we did it we were having a lot of trouble |
| 16:03.04 | Shirik | and we do use a lot of bandwidth |
| 16:03.19 | Matrix110 | yeah spam bots that can do it without a barrier spam everywhere |
| 16:03.25 | Matrix110 | even at a 10viewer blog |
| 16:03.34 | Shirik | no, we used the GD1 version before |
| 16:03.34 | haste | gogo ReCAPTCHA ? |
| 16:03.34 | Matrix110 | captcha eliminates that normally |
| 16:03.37 | Shirik | it was easily broken |
| 16:03.52 | Shirik | When we moved to IPB's GD2 system, we haven't had a problem since |
| 16:04.08 | Matrix110 | hmm ok |
| 16:04.19 | Matrix110 | but cant really say that these captchas should be hard to crack |
| 16:04.34 | Shirik | How much work have you done in vision processing :) |
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| 16:04.44 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v ckknight_] by ChanServ |
| 16:05.29 | Shirik | I have to say I spent the last few months working with vision processing and seeing just how difficult it is to look for certain things. And with a blurred edge on those letters, there's going to be a problem if it comes close to the background color |
| 16:05.31 | Matrix110 | well not much, but good captchas cant have the same size for letters, the same letter everytime, they need randomised deformation etc. |
| 16:05.41 | Shirik | "need" is a strong term |
| 16:05.48 | Shirik | and I would disagree with it |
| 16:06.18 | Matrix110 | Thats atleast what the captcha researchers said in a article i read about it:P |
| 16:06.42 | Shirik | well then they should be slapped for saying "need." There is never only one way to accomplish something |
| 16:06.54 | Matrix110 | nah they didnt say need |
| 16:07.20 | Shirik | I would agree, having the same size for letters is not as effective |
| 16:07.32 | Shirik | But is it something you absolutely can't have? I would tend to disagree |
| 16:07.50 | Matrix110 | but spamming a forum is not worth programming something to get by a rather strong Captcha instead of getting by the same captcha at a freemail service to register spam email adresses :P |
| 16:07.59 | Matrix110 | atleast in my opinion |
| 16:09.43 | Matrix110 | and based on the images in this articel the captachs of the forum are already compromised:P |
| 16:10.45 | Matrix110 | Picture captchas are nice though |
| 16:10.49 | Matrix110 | and really hard to break |
| 16:11.53 | Matrix110 | but they have the problem of possibily getting "libary" attacks |
| 16:12.08 | Matrix110 | as the number of pics is rather limited |
| 16:12.46 | Shirik | aye, that's why I don't like those |
| 16:13.09 | Shirik | but the real thing I hate as of late is that we seem to make it harder for humans to read than computers |
| 16:13.17 | Matrix110 | ye |
| 16:13.21 | Shirik | half of the places I go to these days I get the captcha wrong the first time |
| 16:13.34 | Matrix110 | the rapidshare.com captchas are to hard atm |
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| 16:14.12 | Matrix110 | dunno if you can see that but http://rs285.rapidshare.com/access904783.jpg |
| 16:14.28 | Matrix110 | problem is you are only supposed to enter either letters or number with a kitten |
| 16:14.32 | haste | You have entered too many... blah lbah lbah |
| 16:14.41 | Drundia | hehe |
| 16:14.51 | Matrix110 | and seeing if thats a damn kitten or not is impossible |
| 16:15.10 | haste | I used like 30min to download something of rapidshare earlier today |
| 16:15.16 | Drundia | they try to prevent reading it by computers but in the end it will be so hard to read by humans that the whole idea will be abandoned |
| 16:15.33 | Matrix110 | Drundia people buy premium accounts then :P |
| 16:15.54 | cncfanatics | hello people |
| 16:15.56 | Matrix110 | Rapidshare is living from kids buying premium accounts to leech movies/games/applications/mp3s from there |
| 16:16.06 | Drundia | oh right |
| 16:16.10 | Drundia | premium accounts |
| 16:16.34 | cncfanatics | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.36 | Matrix110 | I used it for filehosting of wow movies but with these captchas... |
| 16:16.37 | cncfanatics | while still pretending its possible |
| 16:16.50 | cncfanatics | so they use less bandwith |
| 16:16.53 | cncfanatics | and people subscribe more |
| 16:16.56 | Matrix110 | rapidshare.de funily has still piss easy captchas |
| 16:16.56 | cncfanatics | its win-win for them :p |
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| 16:17.14 | Shirik | anyone here use Netbeans? |
| 16:17.35 | Saint-N | i use my Rick RollOver minutes |
| 16:17.42 | Matrix110 | cncfanatics i think they made it because 90% of the "non premium user" traffic they had was from tools that bypassed the download limit by reconnection modem/router |
| 16:18.04 | cncfanatics | ofc it was, what do you expect ? |
| 16:18.06 | Matrix110 | now they cant as they cant decipher the captchas anymore |
| 16:18.09 | Matrix110 | nothing:P |
| 16:18.11 | cncfanatics | hosting anything there is silly anyway though |
| 16:18.23 | Drundia | not everywhere you get new ip from reconnecting |
| 16:18.27 | Matrix110 | every free hosting possibility gets exploited aslong as it can get exploited |
| 16:18.33 | Matrix110 | Drundia but at most ISPs you do |
| 16:18.34 | cncfanatics | not free |
| 16:18.46 | cncfanatics | free.fr gives me 10gig of adfree webspace with mysql and php |
| 16:18.53 | Saint-N | its looking bad for them since they are getting close to being liable for everything uploaded content wise |
| 16:18.57 | cncfanatics | and no monthly bandwith limit either |
| 16:19.22 | cncfanatics | though the speed is only 100 kb/s , but who cares about that |
| 16:19.32 | cncfanatics | (just open 3 connections lol) |
| 16:19.32 | Matrix110 | cncfanatics I highly doubt they accep you having 800gb traffic/month :P |
| 16:19.45 | cncfanatics | they never ever complained about my traffic |
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| 16:19.55 | Matrix110 | how much do you have? |
| 16:20.07 | Saint-N | cncfanatics: go install a nix torrent leeching machine ;P |
| 16:20.07 | cncfanatics | 100gb / month BIG BIG BIG BIG top |
| 16:20.18 | Shirik | big big big? |
| 16:20.21 | Saint-N | i bet they remove you in 3 weeks ;P |
| 16:20.21 | Matrix110 | because IF you could exploit it they wouldve made more restrictions |
| 16:20.25 | cncfanatics | used to host WoW patches on that server |
| 16:20.29 | cncfanatics | but I stopped with that |
| 16:20.46 | Josh_Borke | what is top? |
| 16:20.50 | cncfanatics | tops |
| 16:20.59 | Matrix110 | When they see accs. with high traffic I guess they investigate first |
| 16:21.03 | Drundia | some ISPs reserve IP address for you for some time while you are offline |
| 16:21.05 | Matrix110 | and then close accs. if needed |
| 16:21.06 | Drundia | most evil ones |
| 16:21.15 | cncfanatics | they didn't close mine Matrix110 |
| 16:21.27 | cncfanatics | but well, having 10x your max storage capacity as bandwith usage ain't that much I supose |
| 16:21.28 | Matrix110 | well hosting wow patches is nothing bad:P |
| 16:22.29 | Saint-N | he's only mentioning the wow patches |
| 16:22.38 | cncfanatics | lol |
| 16:22.43 | Saint-N | he secretly has a 90gb porn collection |
| 16:22.43 | cncfanatics | damn Saint-N found me out :( |
| 16:22.52 | Shirik | link plz |
| 16:23.03 | Saint-N | its all donkey and furry porn ;) |
| 16:23.08 | cncfanatics | cncfanatic.free.fr/PicsOfShirik/ |
| 16:23.12 | Shirik | omg hawt |
| 16:23.31 | cncfanatics | there's also a cncfanatic.free.fr/NakedPicsOfSaint-N/ there |
| 16:23.43 | cncfanatics | but don't tell him ! |
| 16:23.46 | Saint-N | dont be confused, those are thumbnails |
| 16:23.50 | Saint-N | err arent |
| 16:24.35 | Saint-N | although it does disturb me that you have a collection of those readily available ; |
| 16:25.53 | Saint-N | although not as much as anyone who clicked on that link and was dissappointed it wasnt real |
| 16:26.14 | Drundia | omg no |
| 16:26.22 | Drundia | no naked pictures of saint-n :( |
| 16:26.41 | Drundia | you lied to me! |
| 16:27.42 | Shirik | there really has to be a way to force visual studio to attach |
| 16:28.01 | Shirik | maybe I can intentionally segfault |
| 16:28.08 | Shirik | that should cause visual studio to catch it with JIT |
| 16:29.11 | nevcairiel | man i just manually hacked a freaking phpbb mod to work with our forum and uploaded it, hope it keeps the 20 spam posts a day out =P |
| 16:29.27 | Shirik | I used to do a lot of mod work on phpbb |
| 16:29.32 | Shirik | it was fun |
| 16:29.36 | nevcairiel | i even deleted those 10k users the spam bots created directly from the db |
| 16:29.36 | Shirik | that was my first php experience |
| 16:29.43 | nevcairiel | phpbb is such a mess |
| 16:29.49 | Shirik | no, you want to know what's a mess? eqdkp |
| 16:29.53 | Saint-N | nev |
| 16:30.01 | nevcairiel | Shirik: that too |
| 16:30.06 | Saint-N | you should have just created a special group and login page for them |
| 16:30.06 | Shirik | like seriously |
| 16:30.10 | Shirik | this is the #1 thing I don't get about eqdkp |
| 16:30.21 | Shirik | every member has an ID |
| 16:30.22 | Saint-N | that redirects to whitehouse.gov |
| 16:30.40 | Shirik | there's a table that stores all of the "adjustments" for a member |
| 16:30.51 | nevcairiel | the layout is totally fucked |
| 16:30.52 | Shirik | how do you link the members list to the adjustments table? |
| 16:31.08 | Saint-N | magic and puppies |
| 16:31.21 | Shirik | a normal person would use the member_id field |
| 16:31.22 | nevcairiel | it started as a small project, and the code and db layout looks like its been hacked on by 20 devs that didnt talk a single word to each other |
| 16:31.25 | Shirik | instead... |
| 16:31.26 | Shirik | mysql> DESCRIBE eqdkp_adjustments; |
| 16:31.36 | Shirik | | member_name | varchar(30) | YES | | NULL | | |
| 16:31.38 | Shirik | .... |
| 16:31.45 | Shirik | why on earth would you do that |
| 16:31.56 | nevcairiel | i bet you cannot rename a member =P |
| 16:32.12 | Shirik | I actually have yet to figure out what the "member_id" field is for, except that I use it in my custom tables |
| 16:32.25 | nevcairiel | i renamed one guy directly in the db when he had his char renamed |
| 16:32.28 | nevcairiel | wonder how much i broke |
| 16:32.42 | nevcairiel | never noticed any breakage =P |
| 16:32.58 | Shirik | mysql> DESCRIBE eqdkp_raid_attendees; |
| 16:33.06 | Shirik | | raid_id | mediumint(8) unsigned | NO | MUL | NULL | | |
| 16:33.06 | Shirik | | member_name | varchar(30) | NO | MUL | NULL | | |
| 16:33.07 | Shirik | .... |
| 16:33.26 | nevcairiel | i wish i had more free time to rewrite all pieces of sucky software i use |
| 16:33.28 | nevcairiel | but i simply dont |
| 16:33.35 | nevcairiel | so i flame it but still use it |
| 16:33.36 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 16:33.40 | Shirik | same :P |
| 16:33.45 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:33.50 | Saint-N | hypocrits |
| 16:33.59 | Saint-N | Hippo Crits! |
| 16:34.08 | Saint-N | the Hippose Crits you!! [1405] |
| 16:34.13 | Shirik | ~hippocrit |
| 16:34.14 | Saint-N | the Hippo Crits you!! [1405] |
| 16:34.29 | Shirik | ~hypocrit |
| 16:34.33 | nevcairiel | anyway, i run vBulletin on one forum of mine, and i really wish everyoen would just use vB .. its so damn easy to manage and to use .. and still under very active development .. granted you pay for it .. but it was worth it imho! |
| 16:34.35 | Shirik | ~hypocrite |
| 16:34.38 | Shirik | bleh |
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| 16:34.47 | Saint-N | ~dict hippocrit |
| 16:34.48 | Shirik | I really like IPB, honestly |
| 16:34.58 | Shirik | again, you have to pay for it |
| 16:35.02 | Shirik | but I have been extremely impressed |
| 16:35.03 | Saint-N | nuke evolution looks nice |
| 16:35.08 | nevcairiel | i used IPB back in the day when it was still free |
| 16:35.13 | Saint-N | they basically merged phpbb and nuke |
| 16:35.21 | nevcairiel | when they started to charge we were like "vB or IPB?" |
| 16:35.23 | nevcairiel | and got vB |
| 16:35.41 | Saint-N | phpbb isnt too bad |
| 16:35.51 | nevcairiel | i hate it with passion :P |
| 16:35.51 | Saint-N | its config stuff is like a ckk module though |
| 16:36.02 | ckknight_ | hrm? |
| 16:36.04 | nevcairiel | never tried the 3.0 version though |
| 16:36.06 | Saint-N | too many options that arent grouped nicely ;) |
| 16:36.15 | ckknight | I'll group your mom nicely |
| 16:36.20 | Saint-N | 3 is more of the same but a bit faster |
| 16:36.27 | Saint-N | you havent yet? |
| 16:36.34 | Saint-N | slow poke |
| 16:37.10 | nevcairiel | anyway, the daily porn pics in our forum hopefully stop now |
| 16:37.23 | nevcairiel | was a nice way to start the day really, just visit the forum, look at the porn while deleting it =P |
| 16:37.25 | Saint-N | wait a sec |
| 16:37.30 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel: I could start posting some manualy if you want |
| 16:37.38 | Saint-N | you actually went out of your way to BLOCK free porn from just showing up? |
| 16:37.46 | nevcairiel | was the same every day |
| 16:37.48 | nevcairiel | was getting old |
| 16:37.59 | cncfanatics | grandma porn :o |
| 16:38.07 | nevcairiel | probably too |
| 16:38.45 | nevcairiel | some pics of very young girls appeared occsionally too, those bots dont really care about legality i suppose |
| 16:42.31 | Atriace | nevcairiel: are you working on any new projects these days? |
| 16:42.52 | nevcairiel | getting my bachelor, mostly |
| 16:43.25 | *** part/#wowuidev Lopeppeppy (n=Lopeppep@cpe-72-230-38-163.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 16:43.27 | Atriace | Oh really? Dang, that makes our cases reversed. |
| 16:43.31 | cncfanatics | btw, In 3 months I'll have to choose what to study in university, anyone any suggestions ? |
| 16:43.40 | End | magic! |
| 16:43.45 | nevcairiel | yeah magic! |
| 16:43.45 | Atriace | might! |
| 16:43.46 | End | study magic! |
| 16:43.50 | End | magic > might |
| 16:43.51 | End | kthx |
| 16:43.54 | cncfanatics | the gathering > magic |
| 16:44.09 | nevcairiel | wasnt it "Magic: The Gathering" ? |
| 16:44.38 | cncfanatics | yes it is |
| 16:44.43 | cncfanatics | I never said it wasn't :p |
| 16:44.55 | nevcairiel | how can the gathering be > magic then? |
| 16:45.22 | cncfanatics | the gathering can mean magic: the gathering |
| 16:45.28 | cncfanatics | and magic can mean heroes of might and magix |
| 16:45.37 | cncfanatics | which means it ends up as magic the gathering > heroes of might and magixc |
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| 16:48.32 | Shirik | does anyone here know LTL? |
| 16:49.27 | cncfanatics | nope, what is that ? :o |
| 16:49.35 | nevcairiel | full truck load? |
| 16:49.53 | nevcairiel | linear temporal logic? |
| 16:49.54 | Shirik | It's a way of formally specifying the state of a program so that it can be automatically tested |
| 16:49.55 | Shirik | yes that |
| 16:50.13 | nevcairiel | i just googled the definitions, no idea tho' |
| 16:50.18 | Shirik | :( |
| 16:50.21 | End | hehe |
| 16:50.26 | Shirik | It's fun stuff |
| 16:50.55 | Shirik | we're working on a program to perform automatic verifications given a program and an LTL formula, but I'm having trouble with a syntax and I think it's because of my flawed understanding :P |
| 16:51.03 | Saint-N | cncfanatics: take advanced sandwich making! |
| 16:51.07 | Shirik | it keeps coming back as "true" even though I don't think it should be |
| 16:51.17 | Saint-N | www.collegeuniv.com |
| 16:51.40 | Saint-N | watch taht and enjoy |
| 16:51.51 | Saint-N | then choose one of the majors they list ;P |
| 16:52.24 | Shirik | Okay well here, nevcairiel, just check my reasoning. I have a script that goes like this: Variable n starts at 0. Loop this infinitely: { If n is not 40, then set n to n + 1. Otherwise, set n to 40} |
| 16:52.49 | Shirik | Is it true to say that "If n is 7, then at some time in the future, n will be 5" |
| 16:52.59 | Shirik | it's not, right? |
| 16:53.13 | nevcairiel | it should go linear up to 40 and stay there |
| 16:53.15 | nevcairiel | i think :P |
| 16:53.27 | Saint-N | iof n > 40 n = 40 |
| 16:53.40 | Shirik | NuSMV > check_ltlspec -p "Q.State = 7 -> F Q.State = 5" |
| 16:53.41 | Shirik | -- specification (Q.State = 7 -> F Q.State = 5) is true |
| 16:53.41 | Cide | if n >= 40 then n = 40 |
| 16:53.44 | Shirik | :< |
| 16:53.47 | Saint-N | yeah that too ;P |
| 16:53.51 | Shirik | and I don't know why it keeps saying that's true |
| 16:53.54 | Cide | n > 40 would swap between 40 and 41 |
| 16:54.02 | Cide | Shirik: maybe because you fail |
| 16:54.10 | Cide | I think a ~failrik is in order |
| 16:54.12 | amro | Shirik: is not 40 or lesser than 40? |
| 16:54.20 | Shirik | is not 40 |
| 16:54.23 | Shirik | here's the script |
| 16:54.25 | Saint-N | cide: better than shiriks original where no amtter what it does it becomes 40 |
| 16:54.38 | amro | oh it starts at 0 |
| 16:55.27 | Shirik | not hard to understand though: http://wowi.pastey.net/86188 |
| 16:55.40 | Shirik | Saint-N: I didn't write the program :P |
| 16:55.50 | Shirik | er, I didn't write up the state changing part |
| 16:55.58 | Shirik | my program only checks to see if the LTL formula matches the given script |
| 16:56.19 | nevcairiel | well the state changing sounds really simple |
| 16:56.29 | nevcairiel | start at 0, go up to 40, stay there |
| 16:56.31 | Shirik | yeah |
| 16:56.33 | nevcairiel | your case should be false |
| 16:56.37 | Shirik | exactly >< |
| 16:57.05 | Shirik | However, I can guarantee that the statement above is correct. That program NuSMV was not written by me |
| 16:57.20 | Shirik | so why does it become true is the new question >< |
| 16:57.30 | Shirik | but if you don't know LTL that could be difficult to answer |
| 16:59.25 | Shirik | wow wtf does this mean |
| 16:59.34 | Shirik | ******** WARNING ******** |
| 16:59.34 | Shirik | The initial states set of the finite state machine is empty. |
| 16:59.34 | Shirik | This might make results of model checking not trustable. |
| 16:59.42 | Shirik | I think it's time to go see the professor :P |
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| 17:04.52 | Shirik | aha, I found it |
| 17:05.03 | Shirik | the correct formula is "G (Q.State = 7 -> F Q.State = 5)" |
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| 17:05.26 | Shirik | To say "always" this is true (because when Q.State is not 7, that evaluates to true regardless |
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| 17:17.21 | Saint-N | http://youtube.com/watch?v=gpjVHg_upew |
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| 17:20.05 | Shirik | wtf is with the sound |
| 17:20.47 | Saint-N | its an elevator |
| 17:21.26 | Shirik | uh |
| 17:21.34 | Shirik | it doesn't sound completely distorted to you? |
| 17:21.49 | Saint-N | didnt have sound on |
| 17:21.54 | Saint-N | its time lapsed too |
| 17:23.12 | Cide | sound is fucked up for me too |
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| 17:25.06 | Syzgyn | sounds fine to me |
| 17:25.29 | Syzgyn | oh, nevermind |
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| 17:30.53 | sacarasc | how would i make a macro that set off a trinket, but if it's on cooldown sets off another, then casts a spell |
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| 17:31.24 | ralfWORK | hmmm |
| 17:31.46 | sacarasc | the spell can come first, if that makes it easier |
| 17:32.23 | Shirik | you wouldn't |
| 17:32.49 | Shirik | you have to make that decision yourself |
| 17:33.19 | sacarasc | Bah |
| 17:33.38 | sacarasc | With the spell nerf it doesn't matter so much anymore anyway... |
| 17:33.52 | ralfWORK | sacarasc: what trinkets/spell btw? |
| 17:34.02 | ralfWORK | (not that it matters; just curious) |
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| 17:35.36 | sacarasc | +ap ones and shamanistic rage |
| 17:35.43 | ralfWORK | ahh gotcha |
| 17:35.47 | sacarasc | (my trinkets suck) |
| 17:35.57 | ralfWORK | OMG GREENS?! |
| 17:36.32 | sacarasc | one is |
| 17:37.08 | ralfWORK | it's ok, my wife's rogue is all epic except her assasination chest and her green trinket lol |
| 17:37.39 | sacarasc | i'm all epic except the trinkets |
| 17:38.12 | ralfWORK | I'm thinking that perhaps +AP trinks are rare or something |
| 17:38.48 | ralfWORK | she has that badge trink in one slot |
| 17:38.53 | ralfWORK | other is like some Core of something |
| 17:39.50 | sacarasc | Core of Arkelos? |
| 17:39.51 | ralfWORK | Core of Bungholio |
| 17:39.53 | sacarasc | that;s what i have |
| 17:40.37 | ralfWORK | hmm thought she had that yea, Core of Arkelos |
| 17:40.42 | ralfWORK | apparently she's using the Abacus though |
| 17:40.48 | ralfWORK | (thought she hated that) |
| 17:41.30 | sacarasc | I just got a gnomish cloaking device that could replace it... |
| 17:41.39 | sacarasc | for rogue impressions |
| 17:41.57 | ralfWORK | lol |
| 17:43.00 | sacarasc | "ohshi... aggro... *disappear*" |
| 17:43.08 | sacarasc | it's white ;) |
| 17:43.13 | ralfWORK | does it happen to remove you from combat? |
| 17:43.17 | ralfWORK | cause that would rock |
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| 17:47.26 | Saint-N | Herod the Great was a king of Judaea, most well known for his hand in the construction of the Second Temple and for something called "Massacre of the Innocents," which as it turns out wasn't the name of his awesome garage band. |
| 17:50.12 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 17:50.13 | ralfWORK | lolwut |
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| 17:56.22 | Saint-N | Instead, working for an entire day and a half without sleep, they came up with this: The plastic flight cover would act as a funnel through which the lithium hydroxide was pumped through a suit hose, into a fan and then through a sock, which acted as the filter. The whole thing was held together with duct tape. |
| 17:56.30 | Saint-N | ^^ makeshift oxygen scrubber |
| 17:56.56 | Syzgyn | apollo 13? |
| 17:58.13 | Saint-N | yup |
| 17:58.32 | Saint-N | the single best example of macgyverism |
| 18:00.11 | Syzgyn | agreed :D |
| 18:04.02 | Snago | cracked.com? |
| 18:06.08 | Saint-N | yup |
| 18:10.13 | Kemayo | There's still no way short of tooltip scanning to check whether an item is soulbound, right? |
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| 18:18.35 | Kirov | none that I know |
| 18:19.35 | Saint-N | Also, on top of saving your marriage, the amazingly versatile Pasta Pro fits both gas and electric stoves. |
| 18:19.43 | Polarina | Kemayo: You can do it without localization issues. |
| 18:24.49 | Kemayo | Polarina: Sure, with ITEM_SOULBOUND -- I just don't like scanning tooltips. Seems inelegant. |
| 18:25.49 | Polarina | Kemayo: Bribe Slouken or Zootfizzle. |
| 18:26.00 | Saint-N | you spelt intelligent wrong |
| 18:26.08 | Kaso | Tooltip parsing has always seemed odd to me, it seems like a badly desgined API when ou have to resort to screen scraping |
| 18:26.39 | kergoth | Kaso: agreed |
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| 18:28.24 | Kaso | item tooltips are really the worst, i wrote a whole item parsing system, it'd scare you how many different ways there is to display the same stat on an item >.< |
| 18:28.36 | Kaso | i think now that combat logs have been sorted they should fix items kthanks |
| 18:31.26 | Saint-N | Most of you remember Smokey the Bear telling us to stop burning shit, at least in the woods, and for the most part we obliged him because he wore a hat and made a decent argument. And he was a bear. |
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| 18:31.38 | End | hmm |
| 18:32.22 | End | is there a way to get just the title for a unit? I thought there was, but it looks like I'll have to go through UnitPVPName() |
| 18:32.35 | End | (which means slicing out the name) |
| 18:34.13 | Mikk | Kaso: Good idea. Wanna place bets on how many years it'll take? =P |
| 18:35.29 | Kaso | oh, i can only dream |
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| 18:42.24 | foxlit | Have an awesome name, too |
| 18:42.38 | foxlit | "Communism: What do YOU bring to the Party?" |
| 18:42.39 | ralfWORK | rofl |
| 18:42.52 | ralfWORK | why do we need another damage meter? |
| 18:43.20 | End | I dunno |
| 18:43.26 | End | but it's a great name! ;-p |
| 18:43.42 | ralfWORK | heh that it is |
| 18:45.23 | foxlit | Because nothing handles attribution of boost effects properly |
| 18:46.17 | Mikk | Write a module for violation then |
| 18:46.20 | Mikk | Don't need a whole new one |
| 18:46.33 | foxlit | The unique spin would be to attribute bonus damage / crit% from different class abilities to the original caster of the effect, not the person dealing damage (well, both, eventually, but it's the attribution that's interesting) |
| 18:46.48 | dylanm | foxlit: Hybrids would love you. |
| 18:46.51 | End | that'd be really useful |
| 18:47.02 | End | (actually) |
| 18:47.14 | End | shadow priests would want to have your babies, probably :P |
| 18:47.22 | Mikk | and shamans |
| 18:47.25 | End | yeah |
| 18:47.27 | End | shamans too |
| 18:47.43 | foxlit | Shadow priests are hard, though |
| 18:47.48 | ralfWORK | and boomkins |
| 18:48.02 | foxlit | If you consider mana regen as preventing the "oom, no damage" situation, things get complex |
| 18:48.03 | End | well, misery and shadow vuln are easy to measure I'd think. mana regen, that's hard |
| 18:48.16 | Kaso | Attributation is something you can take too far |
| 18:48.22 | End | (er, shadow weaving? w/e it's called) |
| 18:48.23 | ralfWORK | yea, that's pretty tough |
| 18:48.30 | ralfWORK | yea, shadow weaving |
| 18:48.37 | Kaso | Do druids get damage their extra agi/stre gives melee dps? |
| 18:48.38 | End | I'd count all the "immediate" effects though |
| 18:48.44 | Kaso | (from motw) |
| 18:49.00 | ralfWORK | incredibly hard to get that all measured |
| 18:49.23 | ralfWORK | and what good is mana regen if the person didn't need that mana? :P |
| 18:50.15 | foxlit | Mikk: it seems a bit easier to write own code (considering the 2.4 combat log) than look at Violation :) |
| 18:51.20 | foxlit | As for buffs... tough line, that |
| 18:51.53 | ralfWORK | don't know how you'd limit buffs |
| 18:52.11 | ralfWORK | you could technically cast buffs in combat |
| 18:52.19 | ralfWORK | so can't really go off of that |
| 18:52.19 | ralfWORK | uhm |
| 18:52.25 | foxlit | Stuff like the +damage/crit auras are relatively straightforward |
| 18:52.39 | foxlit | Contribution to crit via AI... ouch, not so much |
| 18:52.40 | ralfWORK | could go with anything shorter than pally buffs |
| 18:52.44 | End | I'd say debuffs are even more straight forward |
| 18:52.54 | ralfWORK | debuffs yea |
| 18:52.55 | End | most debuffs are +%dmg and whatnot |
| 18:53.05 | End | well, many debuffs |
| 18:53.11 | End | some add AP to attacker and whatnot |
| 18:53.13 | End | or reduce armor |
| 18:53.34 | ralfWORK | when is blizz gonna total up armor pen stats on character sheet? :P |
| 18:53.38 | Mikk | foxlit: erm.. don't underestimate the amount of work going into getting a sane UI and stuff |
| 18:53.53 | Mikk | oh and syncing with other damage meter addons |
| 18:53.53 | Mikk | etc |
| 18:54.20 | Mikk | and seeing as how violation already has little modules that you can easily look at .... erm |
| 18:54.31 | Mikk | seems easier to just write a module. by far :P |
| 18:54.46 | ralfWORK | what does violation do that recount can't? |
| 18:55.05 | Mikk | nothing, yet |
| 18:55.09 | Mikk | it's just more lightweight =) |
| 18:55.19 | Mikk | and modular, hence why writing a new module for it would be easier |
| 18:55.27 | ralfWORK | gotcha |
| 18:55.44 | Mikk | but yeah if you want features, gogo recount |
| 18:56.01 | ralfWORK | I need recount to show total damage/dps :( |
| 18:56.05 | ralfWORK | there's an option somewhere |
| 18:56.07 | ralfWORK | but I don't know where |
| 18:57.08 | Syzgyn | if you find that option, lemme know |
| 18:57.20 | ralfWORK | yea, |
| 18:57.29 | ralfWORK | I saw someone's UI had a total |
| 18:57.31 | Syzgyn | WTB working assessment :( |
| 18:57.37 | sylvanaar_work | man, i ended up buying another helicopter today, so i didnt have to wait for the replacement motor on the one i have to come in |
| 18:57.41 | ralfWORK | couldn't find it when I went looking though :( |
| 18:57.53 | ralfWORK | sylvanaar_work: RC I hope? :P |
| 18:57.59 | sylvanaar_work | yeah |
| 18:58.05 | ralfWORK | huh k |
| 18:58.07 | ralfWORK | *heh |
| 18:58.32 | sylvanaar_work | its my wow replacement |
| 18:58.35 | Syzgyn | nah, he bought a full helicopter :P |
| 18:58.42 | ralfWORK | *shrug* |
| 18:58.50 | ralfWORK | I have a friend that does nutty stuff like that |
| 18:58.53 | ralfWORK | with airplanes :P |
| 18:59.04 | Syzgyn | heh wow |
| 18:59.08 | ralfWORK | he's building an airplane now actually |
| 18:59.37 | ralfWORK | he's kinda insane :P |
| 18:59.39 | Syzgyn | I wouldnt wanna ride in an airplane I built :V |
| 18:59.49 | ralfWORK | he owns another airplane |
| 18:59.52 | ralfWORK | and I won't ride in it :P |
| 18:59.56 | sylvanaar_work | haha, it would suck to crash it |
| 19:00.07 | sylvanaar_work | thats like a double failure |
| 19:00.18 | ralfWORK | lol |
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| 19:00.36 | sylvanaar_work | fail@flying fail@building |
| 19:01.36 | Guil|Uni | I just came here to say WTF at my uni. I thought they were relatively good with security. Well, the logon script (that sets permissions) is now a friggin .vbs file. Yes, I can add myself to the list of lab admins via visual basic |
| 19:02.24 | Saint-N | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB2Xnu9xQVU&feature=related |
| 19:02.28 | Mikk | Since when do login scripts set permissions? |
| 19:02.33 | Mikk | They usually just map drives |
| 19:02.45 | Guil|Uni | Mikk: specifically printer permissions |
| 19:02.48 | Guil|Uni | e.g. printing for free |
| 19:03.28 | Mikk | Ah. In other words, not permission, but rather printer mappings, and the printers themselves dont actually have security settings |
| 19:04.13 | Guil|Uni | I suppose it could be put that way |
| 19:04.29 | [Liquidor] | Good evening everyone. Having a nice day? |
| 19:04.29 | Guil|Uni | I'm still only partway done with reading the file, not sure what else there is |
| 19:04.56 | Mikk | So the correct interpretation is: They do not have security permissions on printers. Anyone can connect to any printer if they know the address (or can browse to it) |
| 19:05.04 | Mikk | And has nothing to do with VB :P |
| 19:05.11 | Mikk | (Don't get me wrong. I hate VB. :)) |
| 19:05.33 | Guil|Uni | Well, the fact that they have it in script instead of a compiled program |
| 19:05.51 | Mikk | Well erm |
| 19:05.59 | sylvanaar_work | nothing wrong with scripts |
| 19:06.01 | Mikk | I know of noone using compiled programs instead of login scripts |
| 19:06.02 | Guil|Uni | but no, VB has nothing to do with it other than that its VB |
| 19:06.14 | Guil|Uni | sylvanaar: Except when they are editable by any user :P |
| 19:06.16 | Mikk | And still compiling is just obfuscation |
| 19:06.18 | sylvanaar_work | linux is like an os built using scripts |
| 19:06.22 | Mikk | I can run string extractors on compiled programs too |
| 19:06.48 | Guil|Uni | Obviously compiling it wouldn't fix the problem. But it would make it far less of an issue |
| 19:06.59 | Mikk | For reference: I work with IT security and have seen MANY highly secure networks. |
| 19:07.09 | Mikk | Security through obscurity = fuckall security. |
| 19:07.42 | Guil|Uni | Still, security through obscurity > no security at all |
| 19:08.12 | sylvanaar_work | there is no such thing as security... |
| 19:08.22 | sylvanaar_work | its is merely a delusion |
| 19:08.37 | Guil|Uni | the security cake is a lie? |
| 19:09.04 | Mikk | Security is a way of reducing the chances that something unwanted will happen. I for one am for instance very glad that e.g. plutonium is handled with high security :P |
| 19:09.25 | sylvanaar_work | is it? how do you know for sure? |
| 19:09.40 | Mikk | It'd be in the hands of terrorists blowing the world up if it was not |
| 19:09.42 | sylvanaar_work | thats the thing about security...its merely a perception |
| 19:10.00 | sylvanaar_work | who knows, it might be in the hands of terrorists right now |
| 19:10.10 | Mikk | Hokay, this has taken a slightly bonkers turn. Excuse me while I go eat dinner instead, it seems more worthwhile :P |
| 19:10.36 | Industrial | Anyone know if theres any collections of songs like The FInal Countdown by Europe.. songs that really give you a kick! make you wanna raise your fist and scream YEEAHH TANANANA etc.. |
| 19:10.50 | Industrial | like, a collection only consisting of songs like that |
| 19:10.51 | Industrial | :p |
| 19:10.54 | Valaron|Work | Jpop does that |
| 19:11.00 | Valaron|Work | hurk hurk |
| 19:11.01 | Industrial | .. some jpop |
| 19:11.58 | Industrial | these guys seem to make a lot of songs like that |
| 19:12.11 | sylvanaar_work | drug related songs? |
| 19:12.25 | Industrial | what no |
| 19:12.47 | Industrial | you never get a rush from good music sylvanaar_work ? |
| 19:13.21 | sylvanaar_work | i do, "chasing the dragon" is a drug user saying though |
| 19:13.35 | Industrial | oh well this is about chasing a dragon. |
| 19:13.37 | Industrial | >:P |
| 19:13.41 | sylvanaar_work | lol |
| 19:13.53 | leethal | how do you chase a dragon? |
| 19:13.57 | leethal | lots of fire res? |
| 19:14.04 | Industrial | by being metal ofcourse |
| 19:14.08 | Industrial | you can do anything cool. |
| 19:14.08 | sylvanaar_work | very carefully |
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| 19:14.43 | Industrial | no but probably on your.. steed? |
| 19:14.58 | Saint-N | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQXiew-DQH4 |
| 19:15.58 | Industrial | Saint-N: that doesnt give you a beat.. it makes you say "poing poing" at most :p |
| 19:16.07 | Industrial | er, damn you peaopl.you confuse me |
| 19:16.09 | Industrial | see? |
| 19:16.18 | Saint-N | i love that video |
| 19:17.04 | MentalPower | ~seen DBE-Kinj |
| 19:17.13 | purl | dbe-kinj <n=Derek@cpe-75-185-145-27.neo.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 27d 3h 29m 39s ago, saying: 'When is maintence supposed to be over today?'. |
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| 19:40.36 | batrick | w00t I got the nmap lua infrastructure job for nmap =) |
| 19:42.43 | Saint-N | ? |
| 19:44.04 | Kaso | nmap lua? |
| 19:44.22 | batrick | !g nse nmap |
| 19:44.23 | batbot | batrick: Chapter 9. Nmap Scripting Engine <http://nmap.org/book/nse.html> |
| 19:44.33 | batrick | it's part of the google summer of code thing |
| 19:46.32 | ag` | Saint-N: Daddy, is that your puppet? No, daddy's just working with it |
| 19:47.47 | Saint-N | heh |
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| 19:51.29 | duaiwe | Oh, for crying out loud. I spend all morning debugging why on ONE form, certain "free" fees are showing up with 'sql:variable("@temp2")', only to find the form's 'zeroDollarFOReplacementText' setting is set to.. 'sql:variable("@temp2")' >< |
| 19:51.32 | Kaso | batrick, thats cool |
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| 20:04.26 | mikma | http://break.com/index/westboro-church-gets-rick-rolld.html |
| 20:06.24 | ralfWORK | lol@ "am I the only person in the world who thinks rick astley is a good singer" |
| 20:06.49 | mikma | http://break.com/index/guitar-hero-nut-shot.html |
| 20:06.57 | mikma | nice aim |
| 20:07.26 | ralfWORK | AHHAHAHAHA |
| 20:07.36 | ralfWORK | that's so mean |
| 20:09.38 | Saint-N | no rick roll will top them playing it at a mets game |
| 20:09.39 | mikma | http://break.com/index/pedophile-beards.html |
| 20:09.57 | Saint-N | unless they get rick for the super bowl half time show next year |
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| 20:10.18 | ralfWORK | o.O |
| 20:10.39 | mikma | oh, i pasted the gem earlier, i hope you people saw it :D |
| 20:10.43 | Saint-N | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8ErbVOfvqw |
| 20:10.47 | Saint-N | ^^ mets rick rolld |
| 20:10.55 | mikma | http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1248167/stadium_watches_kid_pass_out_at_game/ |
| 20:11.23 | Saint-N | bahahahahahah |
| 20:16.05 | mikma | damn these pool nutshots are cruel :D |
| 20:24.44 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_30x3diL9Zw |
| 20:34.08 | Syzgyn | mikma: that first one was great |
| 20:34.18 | Syzgyn | er, the stadium one |
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| 20:53.01 | |Jelly| | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:53.24 | Cairenn | that CAN'T be good |
| 20:54.34 | ralfWORK | sounds painful even |
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| 20:57.34 | kd3 | ahahaha.... "[Cool] Man crashes flying go-kart with propeller into power lines. Was reportedly swerving out of the way of his own Awesome" |
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| 21:15.37 | Kirov | ~seen iriel |
| 21:15.52 | purl | iriel <n=Iriel@adsl-71-158-244-138.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 1d 13h 4m 31s ago, saying: 'np.'. |
| 21:17.05 | Arrowmaster | Kaso: ping |
| 21:17.12 | Kaso | ello |
| 21:17.41 | Arrowmaster | been told the {skull} stuff doesnt work in chat bubbles, planing on updating kasobubbles? |
| 21:18.07 | Kaso | hmm |
| 21:18.29 | Kaso | i havent actually been playing wow for a few patches, i assume the raid icons are now displayed in chat? |
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| 21:18.43 | Syzgyn | they can be, yes |
| 21:19.10 | Syzgyn | you can use {skull} or {rt8} I think to display them |
| 21:19.19 | Arrowmaster | yeah you can copy the code from ChatFrame.lua |
| 21:19.29 | Kaso | I can certainly look into it arrowmaster, i wasnt aware anyone actually used kasobubbles :) |
| 21:19.36 | Arrowmaster | heh |
| 21:20.03 | Kaso | its one of those, "i made for myself but i might as well publish it" addons |
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| 21:20.44 | Syzgyn | I've got a few of those, and the 'I made it for myself and never bothered to publish it' ones |
| 21:21.00 | Kaso | i have tonnes of those! |
| 21:24.37 | Kaso | Ah well thats fairly simple a thing, i like the new |T<texture>|t stuff |
| 21:24.59 | Kaso | are there any other icons displayed in chat messages in a similar way that i can add as well? |
| 21:26.45 | Syzgyn | nope, the only ones that can be added by other people are the raid icons |
| 21:26.51 | Syzgyn | locally you can add any texture |
| 21:27.27 | Kaso | ok fair enough, Arrowmaster, check back in a day or two ;) |
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| 21:44.54 | zenzelezz | meanies |
| 21:52.06 | Shirik | lol: http://bash.org/?854608 |
| 21:54.54 | Lopeppeppy | I don't mind sharing. I use cumin in the butter though, so I hope you like it spicy. |
| 21:55.47 | Adys | Man |
| 21:55.49 | Adys | GNOME - (gnome-applets) Alarm Clock integration - Make an alarm clock and integrate it in Gnome clock applet - MENTOR NEEDED |
| 21:56.08 | Adys | When i think projects are supposed to last up to two months for gsoc |
| 21:56.17 | Adys | and this one doesnt even have a mentor |
| 21:58.01 | Shirik | that's a serious gsoc project? |
| 21:58.05 | Adys | yep |
| 21:58.09 | Shirik | it got approved? |
| 21:58.14 | Adys | yep.. |
| 21:58.15 | Shirik | wtf... |
| 22:01.20 | kergoth | something that simple needs a gsoc project? |
| 22:01.26 | kergoth | thats sad |
| 22:01.39 | Cairenn | indeed |
| 22:01.52 | kd3 | there's a chinese guild called "Clannad" |
| 22:02.09 | Cairenn | not what you'd expect |
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| 22:30.37 | Kaso | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v87/lntkaos/here.gif?t=1208812577 |
| 22:30.54 | Kaso | Im desperately trying to work out what i was on about when i drew this pseudo graph |
| 22:31.30 | Adys | red sharks |
| 22:31.57 | Kaso | hah |
| 22:32.13 | Kaso | its clearly some sort of RTS type thing, working out the most efficent way of gathering resources |
| 22:32.18 | Kaso | but it still makes little sense |
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| 22:49.05 | Shirik | quick question |
| 22:49.20 | Shirik | thoughts, should it look like this, or should "Validate" and "Cancel" be swapped? http://images.gammatester.com/pics/36375539b2dec38029022f275b47c8bf.jpg |
| 22:50.21 | JoshBorke | swapped and opposite sides of the frame |
| 22:50.32 | Tuller | depends on what you're mimicing |
| 22:50.43 | End | Can you make Cancel not default? |
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| 22:50.51 | Shirik | it's not default, it's just what I had clicked at the time :p |
| 22:50.54 | End | oh, ok |
| 22:51.00 | Shirik | that was my fault |
| 22:51.08 | JoshBorke | ~failrik |
| 22:51.09 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 22:51.16 | Tuller | how much does validate break things? :P |
| 22:51.36 | Shirik | what do you mean? |
| 22:52.29 | ckknight | Shirik: yes, cancel is on the right in windows |
| 22:52.47 | Tuller | quickly, complementary color algorithmish |
| 22:53.03 | Shirik | thanks ckknight |
| 22:53.18 | Tuller | and its okay/cancel windows, cancel/okay linux |
| 22:53.23 | Shirik | Tuller: R = 255 - (G+B)/2 |
| 22:53.25 | Tuller | gtk or whatever |
| 22:53.25 | Shirik | etc |
| 22:53.44 | Shirik | assuming 0-255 |
| 22:53.45 | Tuller | yeah I was way off :) |
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| 23:09.24 | magdain | is anybody aware of a library that dealing with spell coefficients? wowace and wowi have failed me. :/ |
| 23:09.30 | magdain | that deals* rather. |
| 23:09.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Define 'library' |
| 23:09.47 | JoshBorke | no, what would be the gain? |
| 23:10.08 | dylanm | You could just rip off DrDamage like crazy. |
| 23:11.01 | magdain | thats basically what I'm trying to do dylanm. i want to find what damage a dot will do based on talents, gear, and the spell's coefficient |
| 23:11.21 | dylanm | Then that's where I'd look. That and spreadsheets. |
| 23:11.48 | magdain | yeah, i'm about to start mucking around with that. wowwiki has a page on the coefficients also |
| 23:12.08 | magdain | i was just hoping there was already a function for just getting a coefficient and such from a spellid. oh well -- |
| 23:12.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Nope |
| 23:13.52 | Syzgyn | theorycrafting would be much easier if there was :P |
| 23:16.45 | Kaso | wowace sure makes lazy programmers! |
| 23:16.52 | Kaso | Make one yourself :p |
| 23:17.00 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 23:17.51 | magdain | working on it. probably going to fail miserably though :P |
