| 00:00.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Not to say otherwise |
| 00:00.08 | NightHawkAtWork | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:00.14 | ScytheBlade1 | But the person who made the Pidgin IRC plugin complains about its quality :P |
| 00:00.18 | Zyuu | Vista is like a bad dream |
| 00:00.30 | Zyuu | a pretty bad dream |
| 00:01.30 | Keias | I was going to go on a rant about how it's like HIV, but it'd be too long to seem humorous :( |
| 00:01.50 | Lunessa | I was hating Vista intensely - until I FDISKED the machine and re-installed. Now it's working beautifully. |
| 00:02.59 | NightHawkAtWork | s/re-installed/re-installed linux/ ;) |
| 00:03.08 | Zyuu | Vista works fine on my new laptop |
| 00:03.17 | Zyuu | but a friend has it on a laptop with 512mb ram |
| 00:03.25 | Zyuu | and wanted me to "fix his slow laptop" |
| 00:03.40 | Zyuu | was a lost cause |
| 00:04.04 | Kaso | vista doesnt come with generic drivers for my IDE controller, its frustrating, esp when it asked me to insert the driver CD so it could get the drivers to access my IDE CD Drive. |
| 00:04.05 | Lunessa | 512MB ram + Vista = not worth the effort. |
| 00:04.18 | Guillotine | My pidgin has been crashing whenever I resume from hibernate :( |
| 00:04.20 | Guillotine | but it hasn |
| 00:04.25 | Guillotine | hasn't been to bad other than that |
| 00:04.46 | ScytheBlade1 | I just got a new laptop! |
| 00:05.14 | ScytheBlade1 | It had XP. IE crashed after 5 minutes of being open. |
| 00:05.15 | ScytheBlade1 | (Really) |
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| 00:06.08 | Kirov | ScytheBlade1 - A friend of mine bought a new pc with Windows ME (after I pleaded with him not to). Opening notepad on the machine blue screened. |
| 00:06.13 | ScytheBlade1 | lol nice |
| 00:06.14 | Zyuu | Best part was with my new laptop.. I always turn off the touchpad. But I found no way to do it. And if I use the program that all touchpads comes with, typing is "delayed" and certain letters are skipped. So I contacted their support and after 1 hour of talking the guy tells me there is no way to turn off the touchpad with this model. But he lied. I found that holding down "Fn" and a key that have a mouse icon on it disabled it :P |
| 00:06.20 | Zyuu | their support fails |
| 00:06.33 | Zyuu | and Vista doesn't like certain drivers |
| 00:06.45 | Zyuu | Kirov - I remember windows ME |
| 00:06.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, I fixed my problem the easy way. |
| 00:06.50 | Zyuu | was a pain ;x |
| 00:06.51 | ScytheBlade1 | I installed linux. ;) |
| 00:06.54 | Zyuu | heh |
| 00:07.03 | Zyuu | btw, do you people use the touchpad while you type? |
| 00:07.10 | Kirov | I do |
| 00:07.10 | Zyuu | I find it impossible. I always touch it with my palm. |
| 00:07.13 | Zyuu | so I must diable it |
| 00:07.14 | Zyuu | * |
| 00:07.16 | Zyuu | disable |
| 00:07.19 | Zyuu | How do you manage? |
| 00:07.28 | Zyuu | maybe it's the way I'm used to typing |
| 00:07.36 | NightHawkAtWork | Probably, I'm the same way. |
| 00:07.47 | NightHawkAtWork | I always use an external mouse with my laptop |
| 00:08.10 | Kirov | Most people type with their hands like this |
| 00:08.10 | Kirov | | | |
| 00:08.10 | Kirov | I type like this |
| 00:08.35 | ScytheBlade1 | 1 2 3 4 5 |
| 00:08.36 | ScytheBlade1 | rogue rogue |
| 00:08.47 | Kirov | My hand positions are more akin to a "natural" style keyboard, but I use a standard layout |
| 00:08.49 | Zyuu | lol |
| 00:08.52 | Zyuu | well |
| 00:08.57 | Zyuu | I had a natural keyboard once |
| 00:09.02 | Zyuu | it was pretty ok I guess |
| 00:09.13 | Zyuu | using logitech g15 on my desktop now, it glows. |
| 00:09.15 | Zyuu | pretty :P |
| 00:09.48 | Gnarfoz | logitech should have stuck to mice, imho |
| 00:09.58 | Kirov | My mom's laptop has a peice of carboard glued over the track pad. |
| 00:10.08 | Zyuu | Kirov |
| 00:10.13 | Zyuu | the tech guy told me to put a credit card over it |
| 00:10.26 | Zyuu | Im amazed he get paid and doesn't know of features that exist like disabling the touchpad |
| 00:10.31 | Zyuu | its funny :) |
| 00:11.01 | Kirov | My laptop actually has both a trackpad and a mouse nub, and software that allows you to disable either or both. |
| 00:11.07 | Guillotine | Does anybody else feel like they are wasting time if they are doing something else while their computer isn't compiling/rendering something? |
| 00:11.12 | NightHawkAtWork | same, kirov |
| 00:11.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Guillotine: keep WoW open on the second monitor. Problem solved! |
| 00:11.30 | Guillotine | but then I get distracted :( |
| 00:11.35 | Guillotine | I mean while I'm not at the computer |
| 00:11.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh |
| 00:11.46 | Guillotine | like, if I'm eating |
| 00:11.48 | kd3 | meh, as long as azureus is running I consider my computer useful |
| 00:11.51 | Guillotine | my computer could be rendering something |
| 00:11.52 | Kirov | Guillotine - saving energy? |
| 00:11.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Er no |
| 00:12.05 | NightHawkAtWork | Guillotine: have it just continuously playing music. |
| 00:12.37 | JoshBorke | Guillotine: run folding at home |
| 00:12.41 | Zyuu | I encoded a video, does that count? |
| 00:13.08 | Guillotine | JoshBorke: good idea |
| 00:13.13 | NightHawkAtWork | Guillotine: have it wget all of the internet. |
| 00:13.33 | Guillotine | haha |
| 00:13.45 | Corrodias | having logged on long enough to determine that draenei chicks are still incredibly sexy, i can log off, satisfied that my job is done |
| 00:15.44 | NightHawkAtWork | neat, mind controlling parasites.. http://scienceblogs.com/neurophilosophy/2007/08/brainwashed_by_a_parasite.php |
| 00:15.46 | JoshBorke | glad you certified that for yourself |
| 00:17.29 | Zyuu | what |
| 00:17.32 | Zyuu | that's awesome |
| 00:17.57 | Kaso | ive seen about that before |
| 00:18.06 | Kaso | it's terrifying tbh |
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| 00:18.31 | Zyuu | sci-fi |
| 00:20.02 | Lunessa | Welcome to the surreal qualities of our reality. |
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| 00:53.59 | AbsoRayne | O_o |
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| 01:20.56 | Cairenn | ckknight, Zyuu, you should have your cloaks now |
| 01:21.04 | ckknight | woo |
| 01:21.14 | ckknight | sure do |
| 01:21.18 | Cairenn | good |
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| 01:23.23 | Shirik | So we kicked a guild member for griefing another guild by tagging doomwalker when they were about to pull it |
| 01:23.28 | Shirik | this is all he had to say in response: http://www.heresiarchguild.com/index.php?topic=1715.msg8733;topicseen#new |
| 01:23.44 | Shirik | don't people have any integrity these days? -_- |
| 01:24.12 | Cairenn | "warning, the topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you" |
| 01:24.15 | Shirik | oh |
| 01:24.16 | Shirik | boo |
| 01:24.28 | Shirik | This is the entire post: "I think its pretty lame to get kicked from a guild just because i was messing around with ally but i guess you guys are cool with ally on this server soo i am sorry dont know what else to say. . ." |
| 01:25.35 | Shirik | it's not about being "cool with allies" it's about doing something bannable... |
| 01:25.47 | Cairenn | imo, good on you guys for kicking him |
| 01:25.52 | ckknight | Shirik: what did he do? |
| 01:26.03 | ckknight | oh |
| 01:27.08 | JoshBorke | Shirik: seriousyl? what a jerk |
| 01:27.26 | Kaso | how old is this guy? i dont know anyone over 14 who thinks hating allys is cool |
| 01:28.30 | Shirik | supposedly he's 19 |
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| 01:28.42 | Shirik | the english grammar tends to make me disagree |
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| 01:29.39 | Kirov | I've met a lot of very mature 14 year olds, and a lot of immature 19 year olds |
| 01:31.21 | Zyuu | Yeah |
| 01:31.27 | Zyuu | Age doesn't matter much usually |
| 01:31.49 | Zyuu | Sadly due to the size of WoW you will encounter dumbasses like that =/ |
| 01:32.56 | Lunessa | dumbass numbers approach the inifinte |
| 01:33.49 | JoshBorke | or 10 million, you know, whatever |
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| 01:34.41 | Zyuu | thanks Cairenn for the cloak btw |
| 01:34.42 | Zyuu | was afk |
| 01:34.45 | Zyuu | going afk again! |
| 01:34.50 | Cairenn | you're welcome |
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| 01:50.28 | Syzgyn | Shirik: I've seen horde do that so many times to us |
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| 02:43.50 | MentalPower | Shirik: ping |
| 02:43.58 | Shirik | gorefiend sec |
| 02:44.03 | MentalPower | lol |
| 02:44.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: ping |
| 02:44.14 | MentalPower | well, at least one of us raids :P |
| 02:44.17 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
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| 02:47.54 | Shirik | ok now that I died to constructs |
| 02:48.09 | Kalroth | l2p |
| 02:48.10 | Shirik | what's up |
| 02:48.16 | Shirik | we'll down him anyway :P |
| 02:48.17 | Shirik | it's just 1 |
| 02:48.21 | Kalroth | haha |
| 02:48.32 | Shirik | I'm just squishie |
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| 02:48.58 | Shirik | MentalPower: pong |
| 02:50.44 | MentalPower | Shirik: so I'm trying to build my own Lua distro with expat, and everything compiles so far but the LuaExpat has an "#include "expat.h"" in it that it says it can't find even tho I already have expat proper in the same solution already compiled |
| 02:50.49 | MentalPower | VS2008 |
| 02:53.24 | Shirik | it's in the same source folder as everything else? |
| 02:53.30 | Shirik | correction |
| 02:53.35 | Shirik | it's in the same source folder as the file doing the #include ? |
| 02:54.10 | MentalPower | nop |
| 02:54.21 | MentalPower | same solution, diff project |
| 02:56.07 | MentalPower | k, just tried copying expat.h into the same source folder as the file asking for it, still same error |
| 02:56.18 | MentalPower | does it need to be in the same physical folder? |
| 02:58.02 | duaiwe | is it just me, or has ludwig not worked since the patch? |
| 02:58.35 | Lunessa | the linkerator part doesn't seem to be working for mr. |
| 02:58.56 | sylvanaar | #include "expat.h" implies same folder |
| 02:59.22 | Shirik | MentalPower: It needs to be in the same folder as the file it is included from |
| 02:59.31 | sylvanaar | #include <expat.h> can be anywhere in the build path |
| 02:59.33 | Shirik | otherwise you need to either specifiy the path or use <> |
| 03:00.36 | sylvanaar | hey shirk, you are a rtos guy? no? |
| 03:01.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: yeah, thats what i meant, should have been more specific. |
| 03:01.30 | Lunessa | Actually - it was working for me until I "updated" it yesterday. |
| 03:01.39 | Lunessa | So I suspect it's a conflict. |
| 03:01.42 | Shirik | yay |
| 03:01.45 | Shirik | no more T4 helm for me |
| 03:01.47 | Shirik | finally... |
| 03:02.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: i havnt updated since sometime before 2.4, and it hasnt worked for me since then |
| 03:02.43 | Lunessa | I'll try reverting. But it might be something else which broke it too. |
| 03:02.52 | NightHawkTheSane | could be |
| 03:03.15 | NightHawkTheSane | its not a huge deal for me, i was just wondering if it was just something particular to my setup that might be causing it or a known issue |
| 03:04.32 | Shirik | sylvanaar: Yup |
| 03:04.39 | Shirik | sorry, busy enchanting and all that stuffs |
| 03:04.44 | Shirik | what's up? |
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| 03:05.06 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: Check the comments on the WoWI page. |
| 03:06.16 | dylanm | You have to start off with [[ now or something. |
| 03:06.27 | dylanm | I guess there were conflicts. |
| 03:06.43 | sylvanaar | Shirik well, i want to build an autopilot for my RC helicopter, and I need bit of advice on the hardware side. |
| 03:06.51 | Shirik | omg are you talking to the right guy |
| 03:06.54 | Shirik | haha |
| 03:06.56 | sylvanaar | haha |
| 03:06.59 | Shirik | I go to an aeronautical school :P |
| 03:07.25 | sylvanaar | wow - i didnt know that |
| 03:07.26 | sag_ich_nicht | ugh |
| 03:07.46 | sag_ich_nicht | http://www.wowinterface.com/list.php?skinnerid=40088 <--someone care to tell this guy how to do libs/savedvariables in a better way? >.> |
| 03:07.48 | Shirik | we have UAV competitions all the time :P |
| 03:07.49 | Shirik | anyway |
| 03:08.21 | sylvanaar | what I really want to do, at least, what sounds cool is make a "LuaCopter" |
| 03:08.37 | Shirik | I should warn you, helicopters.... autopilots tend to have trouble with them |
| 03:08.47 | Shirik | it's possible, but it's difficult |
| 03:08.51 | Shirik | should be a fun project for you :) |
| 03:09.00 | sag_ich_nicht | he's quite responsive/positive in terms of criticism, and i don't have the in-depth knowledge to do it, but he definitivly needs some help... making an empty toc addon just so you get a saved vars file=adjkasdasdasdasd *faceplam* |
| 03:09.02 | sylvanaar | yeah, its my WoW replacement |
| 03:09.04 | sag_ich_nicht | *facepalm* |
| 03:09.19 | Shirik | so any specific question or? |
| 03:09.39 | Shirik | I can tell you the system we used to do it, but no offense it's probably out of your price range |
| 03:09.52 | Shirik | it's also designed for a plane, not a helicopter, and required severe modifications :P |
| 03:10.58 | Guillotine | sag: nothing wrong with that way. It can actually be a good idea |
| 03:47.45 | Guillotine | sag: means you can easily reset the SV for one library by deleting files |
| 03:47.46 | sylvanaar | Shirik hehe, well. i was looking for a "starting point", like a progammable microcontroller or something that I can get a foothold with |
| 03:47.46 | sylvanaar | Shirik or radio telemetry hardware |
| 03:47.46 | Shirik | We use a system called the Piper II |
| 03:47.46 | Shirik | trying to find a link to it |
| 03:47.46 | Shirik | at least I think that's its name |
| 03:47.46 | sag_ich_nicht | Guillotine: meh |
| 03:47.46 | Shirik | hm, I can't seem to find it |
| 03:47.46 | Shirik | Let me get in touch with the Aerospace guys and get back to you |
| 03:47.47 | sag_ich_nicht | i disagree but w/e, i just told him about what he does here: http://pastey.net/85898 which is pissing me of a lot |
| 03:47.47 | Shirik | they may also be able to tell me of lower-cost alternatives |
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| 03:47.47 | sylvanaar | Shirik ok, cool, thanks alot |
| 03:47.47 | Shirik | no problem |
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| 03:47.48 | Shirik | sigh |
| 03:47.48 | Shirik | searching for "piper" in any way related to flight pulls up tuns of airplanes |
| 03:47.48 | Shirik | people need to rethink naming convention |
| 03:47.48 | Adys | I think ive given a whole new meaning to cyberhumiliation |
| 03:47.48 | Iriel | Hm... is this a WTF moment or can someone find proper logic behind it: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/04/16/national/a193304D98.DTL&tsp=1 |
| 03:47.48 | Adys | I just spent two hours trying to find a plugin for Bless Hex editor to show offsets as binary, then recode that small bit, then recompile it only to find clicking the offset switches between bases :( |
| 03:47.48 | Iriel | Adys: And to think, if you hadn't told us you wouldn't have been humiliated |
| 03:47.48 | Adys | Iriel: What the hell |
| 03:47.48 | Adys | (@ that link) |
| 03:47.49 | Iriel | publicly, anyway |
| 03:47.49 | Iriel | I had to read the story several times because I was sure I was missing something |
| 03:47.49 | Cairenn | say what?! |
| 03:47.49 | Iriel | That seems to take warnings and disclaimers to a whole new level of indirection |
| 03:47.49 | kd3 | I'm still trying to find the logic leap in that |
| 03:47.49 | Iriel | I also find it interesting they never say what the original donor died from |
| 03:47.49 | Shirik | Iriel: Nobody told me dogs bite if you hit them. I should sue. |
| 03:47.49 | Cairenn | so, let me see if I've got this right .... a guy got a liver transplant, but died because the person whose liver was donated had this rodent virus, so the pet store that sold the hamster to the donor is now somehow responsible? |
| 03:47.49 | Iriel | Cairenn: That appears to be the basis of their case, yes |
| 03:47.49 | Cairenn | only in the US |
| 03:47.49 | Cairenn | anywhere else, it'd be laughed out of court |
| 03:47.49 | kd3 | ain't that the truth? |
| 03:47.49 | Iriel | Well, I suspect it's not gotten far enough to see if it'll get dismissed as silly |
| 03:47.50 | Cairenn | I would hope it does, cause that's just plain insane |
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| 03:47.50 | Iriel | That'd be like suing EBGames because you got fired for ignoring your job to play WoW all day |
| 03:47.50 | Iriel | no, that's too direct |
| 03:47.50 | Iriel | Suing the EB games your FRIEND bought WOW from because then you got addicted to lord of the rings online and got fired |
| 03:47.50 | Iriel | That feels more like it |
| 03:47.50 | MentalPower | lol |
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| 03:47.51 | Cairenn | that has got to be the epitomical example of the stupidity that is the US legal system |
| 03:47.51 | kd3 | gah. yet more chicken little from the ipv6 camp |
| 03:47.51 | MentalPower | kd3: huh? |
| 03:47.51 | kd3 | http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080416-industry-executives-sound-ipv6-alarm-is-the-sky-really-falling.html |
| 03:51.24 | sylvanaar | ipv6 ftw |
| 03:53.14 | Tem | I hate people who assume "out of date" means "broken" |
| 03:53.20 | Shirik | that remidns mme |
| 03:53.22 | Shirik | wrong server |
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| 03:53.49 | sylvanaar | that's neat that he comes back AFK |
| 03:54.04 | Shirik|AFK | ipv6 ftw |
| 03:54.09 | sylvanaar | haha |
| 03:54.12 | Shirik | yeah my client has primary and second username backwards |
| 03:54.33 | Shirik | wheee |
| 03:54.36 | Shirik | address: i=skullsho@2002:4121:79a3:0:0:0:4121:79a3 |
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| 03:56.33 | sylvanaar | what is that site local? or are you on 6bone or whatever its called |
| 03:56.56 | Shirik | I have no idea |
| 03:57.03 | Shirik | I just know it's an ipv6 address :P |
| 03:57.15 | sylvanaar | lol, yeah, we are on the same page then |
| 03:57.50 | Shirik | Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::c9a:84e9:b45:a9b4%8(Preferred) |
| 03:57.58 | Shirik | but that doesn't match what's from freenode |
| 03:58.01 | Shirik | so dunno what that means |
| 03:58.08 | sylvanaar | Link-local IPv6 Address: fe80::7140:52d0:f95b:3c35%8\ |
| 03:58.11 | sylvanaar | oops |
| 03:58.14 | sylvanaar | Link-local IPv6 Address: fe80::7140:52d0:f95b:3c35%8 |
| 03:58.26 | sylvanaar | it means windows vista usually |
| 03:58.53 | Shirik | oh here we are |
| 03:58.54 | Shirik | IPv6 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 2002:4121:79a3::4121:79a3(Preferred) |
| 03:59.02 | sylvanaar | its like ipv4 autoip |
| 03:59.02 | Tem | lol |
| 03:59.03 | Tem | C:\Users\matt>ipconfig/ass |
| 03:59.03 | Tem | Error: unrecognized or incomplete command line. |
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| 03:59.11 | Shirik | wtf? |
| 03:59.18 | Tem | I was after /all |
| 03:59.24 | sylvanaar | haha |
| 03:59.41 | sylvanaar | "Network and Sharing Center" ftw |
| 03:59.48 | Tem | Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::5efe:192.168.19.1%11(Preferred) |
| 04:00.11 | sylvanaar | it sounds like there would be hippies there |
| 04:00.13 | Shirik | yeah I have two addresses, don't know what that means |
| 04:00.19 | Shirik | "Link-Local" and not "Link-Local" |
| 04:00.33 | Shirik | the one that's not is under Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 20: |
| 04:00.38 | Tem | fancy |
| 04:01.32 | sylvanaar | link local is all you will really ever use - unless you use one of the ipv6 over ipv4 technologies |
| 04:01.57 | sylvanaar | teredo or 6to4 |
| 04:02.44 | sylvanaar | frankly I cant get my secure ipv6 vpn tunnel working |
| 04:03.11 | sylvanaar | im missing some terms in that sentance, but you get the gist |
| 04:06.37 | MentalPower | informal survey, what kind of music do you listen to whilst coding? |
| 04:07.17 | Iriel | mostly none, otherwise wierd world stuff or melodic technoish stuff |
| 04:07.59 | Iriel | afrocelts are a particular favorite |
| 04:08.04 | Shirik | sylvanaar: Actually, freenode is reporting my 6to4 address |
| 04:08.28 | Shirik | probably because my isp is made of suck or something |
| 04:08.34 | Iriel | also crystal method, apollo 440, that sort of thing, if i'm feeling less mellow |
| 04:09.32 | Kalroth | Apollo 440? You're hip, Iriel! |
| 04:09.39 | Kalroth | I thought you were an old geezer |
| 04:11.50 | Kalroth | I'm a bit more exotic myself :) |
| 04:11.57 | Kalroth | http://www.scenemusic.eu/ |
| 04:12.12 | Kalroth | and http://www.demovibes.org/ |
| 04:12.13 | sylvanaar | Shirik lol, i like ipv6 because its so confusing |
| 04:12.20 | kd3 | meh, whatever's on. trance, j-pop, zero-beat, game soundtracks... |
| 04:12.30 | kd3 | something like 3k songs in my playlist right now |
| 04:12.59 | Shirik | sylvanaar: Sadly I've had an entire class in it |
| 04:13.01 | Shirik | and I still don't know it |
| 04:13.06 | sylvanaar | haha |
| 04:13.06 | Kalroth | j-pop?! |
| 04:13.08 | Shirik | granted it focused on the lower layers |
| 04:13.26 | sylvanaar | I have some training videos which I haven't watched |
| 04:13.35 | Shirik | but still IP was in it and we went over ipv6 |
| 04:14.15 | kd3 | Kalroth, http://wowi.pastey.net/85899 |
| 04:14.53 | Kalroth | I can't compete with that, only got ~25GB atm :) |
| 04:16.03 | Iriel | 6923 songs, 22 days, 43.35GB |
| 04:16.09 | Iriel | But the question was what do I /code/ to 8-) |
| 04:16.41 | kd3 | I can code to pretty much my entire collection. it helps having rather eclectic tastes |
| 04:17.22 | Iriel | I find some stuff too distracting |
| 04:17.30 | Iriel | I end up listening instead of coding |
| 04:17.32 | Kalroth | I code best to music I recognize/remember |
| 04:17.44 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got wide and varied tastes. "It depends" |
| 04:17.45 | Kalroth | Yeah, same Iriel - it needs to be "background" music |
| 04:17.53 | Adys | [06:11:55] <Kalroth> I'm a bit more exotic myself :) |
| 04:17.57 | Adys | Sounds like something I recognize! |
| 04:18.04 | Kalroth | Adys: When it comes to music! |
| 04:18.08 | Adys | Oh. |
| 04:18.26 | Cairenn | lol |
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| 04:27.05 | Adys | http://digg.com/general_sciences/World_Population_to_Hit_6_666_666_666_in_May .. |
| 04:36.05 | sag_ich_nicht | Cairenn: i know :P (moving that talk here :P) |
| 04:36.13 | Cairenn | :) |
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| 04:36.32 | sag_ich_nicht | doesn't change that i curse about it tho :P |
| 04:36.59 | Cairenn | bitch all you want, but you need to be bitching at the owners of the various bots, not me :p |
| 04:37.10 | Cairenn | except purl, no need for him in there :) |
| 04:37.41 | sag_ich_nicht | not bitching at you :P |
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| 04:37.59 | Cairenn | of course you are! you're always bitching at me! you never give me a break! |
| 04:38.37 | batrick | there's a problem with bots? |
| 04:38.43 | Cairenn | no |
| 04:39.21 | sag_ich_nicht | Cairenn: no i'm not, but if you continue to claim that i'll start :P |
| 04:39.26 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 04:40.30 | batrick | WoWUIDev-commits <= what's the repository for that? |
| 04:40.50 | sag_ich_nicht | batbot: all repositories |
| 04:40.54 | sag_ich_nicht | erm |
| 04:40.57 | batrick | ah |
| 04:41.00 | sag_ich_nicht | that was directed at batrick |
| 04:41.04 | sag_ich_nicht | at least that's what the aim is |
| 04:41.36 | Cairenn | yep |
| 04:41.43 | Cairenn | any and all can register with it |
| 04:42.08 | batrick | that's cool |
| 04:42.13 | Cairenn | we've already got Ace reporting in there, and NorgJira |
| 04:42.22 | Cairenn | working on getting AceJira in |
| 04:42.47 | Cairenn | hoping to see curseforge register with the CIA in there |
| 04:42.47 | sag_ich_nicht | should get tekkub in too |
| 04:42.58 | Cairenn | already told him to |
| 04:43.07 | sag_ich_nicht | (unless the ace CIA is already picking it up) |
| 04:43.19 | Cairenn | don't believe it is, but may be wrong |
| 04:43.35 | Tekkub | *points at dongle's CIA bot* |
| 04:43.39 | Tekkub | just copy the settings |
| 04:43.43 | Tekkub | (for me) |
| 04:43.46 | MentalPower | I'll do it |
| 04:43.50 | MentalPower | one sec |
| 04:44.02 | Cairenn | it's the exact same idea as this channel - any and all dev groups are welcome to be reporting in there |
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| 04:44.09 | Tekkub | mine's an author matchi instead of a project match, since I have so many... |
| 04:44.20 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 04:45.06 | Cairenn | make it so people can track all of them from one handy central place |
| 04:45.23 | Tekkub | hey ment, has Auc moved to the new config GUI, or is it planning to? |
| 04:45.34 | Tekkub | my alpha build works so I don't exactly update it |
| 04:46.02 | MentalPower | we're planning on it |
| 04:46.05 | MentalPower | patches welcome :) |
| 04:46.24 | Tekkub | glad to hear it's planned... and ugh I can't even keep up with my own addons |
| 04:46.40 | MentalPower | "<match path="author">tekkub</match> " <--seems it was already there |
| 04:46.48 | Tekkub | ah cool |
| 04:47.19 | Tekkub | now github just needs to roll out their CIA hook damnit |
| 04:47.39 | Tekkub | I gave them the code I was using, and I saw an "IRC service" commit... but still nothing deployed... |
| 04:47.43 | MentalPower | I thought there already was a git CIA hook? |
| 04:48.19 | Tekkub | prolly |
| 04:48.31 | Tekkub | I adaped a python script into ruby |
| 04:49.06 | Adys | if anyone missed it http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/16/alexa-overhauls-ranking-system/ |
| 04:49.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Ohh |
| 04:49.55 | ScytheBlade1 | "Your ranking wasn?t wrong before, but it was different." |
| 04:49.56 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:49.58 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha |
| 04:51.04 | Adys | yeah loved that |
| 04:51.24 | Tekkub | anal sex isn't wrong, it's just different |
| 04:52.14 | kd3 | meh. the wiki's in the top 600 now, so I'm not all that bothered |
| 04:52.41 | Adys | Top 600 slowest websites in the world |
| 04:52.48 | kd3 | that too |
| 05:03.56 | sag_ich_nicht | [06:51] <Tekkub> anal sex isn't wrong, it's just different <--factual truth |
| 05:06.47 | Adys | http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/04/16/2337224&from=rss |
| 05:07.08 | Iriel | I thought the tone of that post/thread was misleading |
| 05:07.27 | Adys | i love how people dont try to argue, they just say opposite things from one post to another |
| 05:07.32 | Adys | "Sun has had a very poor history of actually open sourcing anything." |
| 05:07.33 | Iriel | it's more "sun decides to develop some mysql features in a closed source environment" not 'sun is taking some open bits and making hem closed" |
| 05:08.05 | Adys | Yeah |
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| 05:08.17 | End | or apparently, mysql decides to develop some features in a closed source enviroment, and sun buys out mysql |
| 05:08.58 | cogwheel | Dolby: Cairenn: my user title is rendering as <Fishing Trainer> again :P |
| 05:09.08 | Adys | "We even still get a pronounceable acronym LAPP. It looks like the future is still rosy for the rest of us." |
| 05:09.30 | Adys | thats optimism at its best innit |
| 05:10.14 | End | I'm not too concerned |
| 05:12.44 | cogwheel | Cairenn: http://eternalblue.dnsalias.net/temp/cogtitle.png |
| 05:14.18 | Cairenn | that's cause you've got it in < > |
| 05:14.41 | Cairenn | ther |
| 05:14.43 | Cairenn | +e |
| 05:14.49 | cogwheel | i know |
| 05:14.52 | cogwheel | used to work |
| 05:15.01 | Cairenn | fixededed :p |
| 05:15.02 | cogwheel | then it broke and i told you guys |
| 05:15.10 | cogwheel | then u fixed |
| 05:15.23 | cogwheel | now brokx00rd :P |
| 05:15.45 | Cairenn | maybe not programmably (woo, new word, just made it up!), but fixededed anyway |
| 05:17.49 | cogwheel | comments are still borked |
| 05:19.34 | Kirov | hey, I remember that gif |
| 05:20.49 | End | Cairenn is all about making up words |
| 05:21.41 | Cairenn | word making-up-ness is fun! |
| 05:24.44 | Dolby | fixed |
| 05:26.26 | Esine | :/ does anyone know how WoW calculates character's base stats? I did some research and recorded 41 different level Human Paladin's base stats (and a few of Dwarf Paladins) and made some pretty graphs.. http://tohveli.net/wow-stats/ (look at the HumanPaladin_*.png because they're more accurate) |
| 05:26.36 | Esine | but still they are very inaccurate! they dont make any sense! |
| 05:27.09 | Esine | it's like there's some randomness factor but then again some of them are really off.. |
| 05:27.29 | cogwheel | Kirov: :) |
| 05:27.33 | cogwheel | Dolby: \o/ |
| 05:28.24 | Esine | so anyone have an idea on the algorithm they use? |
| 05:29.35 | pastamancer | what's with it showing stats going down at certain points? |
| 05:29.55 | Esine | pastamancer, exactly. that's the random factor |
| 05:29.59 | Esine | I looked all the stats from armory |
| 05:30.01 | Esine | base stats only not gear |
| 05:30.13 | pastamancer | what about talents? |
| 05:30.48 | WobWork | http://www.torsopants.com/main/ |
| 05:31.01 | WobWork | for the first time, google ads has come up with something I like =P |
| 05:31.08 | Esine | pastamancer, hm yes I don't take those into account.. |
| 05:31.15 | Esine | do paladins have talents that increase stats? |
| 05:31.27 | pastamancer | I know str and int off the top of my head |
| 05:31.45 | pastamancer | sta too |
| 05:31.58 | Esine | hm ok.. |
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| 05:33.12 | ScytheBlade1 | So. Guild chat a moment ago. |
| 05:33.13 | ScytheBlade1 | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/85900 |
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| 05:33.59 | pastamancer | I think most muds (and wow by extension) have a table-based system for stat increases rather than a linear function |
| 05:37.54 | AbsoRayne | Time to try Clique for the first time. |
| 05:37.55 | AbsoRayne | @_@ |
| 05:38.03 | sag_ich_nicht | ur late |
| 05:41.43 | ScytheBlade1 | There we go |
| 05:41.44 | ScytheBlade1 | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/85900 |
| 05:41.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Complete transcript |
| 05:49.27 | Esine | pastamancer, that could be right |
| 05:50.27 | Tekkub | I assume a table generated by a function, like the tax tables... fixes any rounding off |
| 05:52.58 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5973987931&sid=1 |
| 05:53.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Interesting exploit |
| 05:54.08 | Keias | boo already edited out :( |
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| 05:58.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay that is *really* funky |
| 06:00.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Not that I can see how it would allow you to see through stealth.. |
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| 06:17.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Wow these "exploit" people are stupid. |
| 06:17.19 | ScytheBlade1 | "I'M GOING TO POST MY BOT SOURCE CODE THAT CONTAINS MY REALM AND CHARACTER" |
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| 06:18.57 | Crysli | Hiya. |
| 06:19.01 | Zyuu | hi |
| 06:19.17 | Crysli | Quick question: This would work, right? http://wowi.pastey.net/85901 |
| 06:19.17 | Zyuu | whats up? |
| 06:19.37 | Zyuu | maybe cameron is here to answer that :) |
| 06:19.42 | widgertick | o_O |
| 06:20.02 | Zyuu | Guess he's not :/ |
| 06:20.29 | Crysli | I wasn't sure if it would execute MinimapCluster:Hide() just like that and I can't test it. |
| 06:20.41 | widgertick | Crysli, yes, it should |
| 06:21.01 | Crysli | Alright then. Thanks :) |
| 06:22.06 | Crysli | I think I'm starting to get the hang of events now. |
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| 06:29.51 | Guillotine | Crysli: It'll work, but its probably bad practice to name a frame "hide". If later you try to hide a frame, it may get confusing |
| 06:29.56 | Guillotine | hide:Show() |
| 06:29.58 | Guillotine | :P |
| 06:30.00 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.flickr.com/photos/emilyhughes/2055606018/in/set-72157603264756938/ |
| 06:30.04 | NightHawkTheSane | thats really neat |
| 06:30.27 | Crysli | Guillotine: It won't matter. The addon is purely for hiding the minimap. |
| 06:30.40 | Crysli | If I wanted to show it, I'd have named the frame "show" ;P |
| 06:30.41 | Guillotine | ok :) |
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| 06:45.42 | Adys | tear gas before driving can be pretty harmful |
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| 06:52.37 | Kirov | ScytheBlade1 - So, I tried out that exploit |
| 06:53.23 | Kirov | i'm looking around inside of the big center room in Shatt while standing up in the Scryer's area |
| 06:53.43 | Crysli | wtf |
| 06:54.23 | Crysli | Anyway, better get to school. |
| 06:54.27 | Crysli | You guys have fun. |
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| 07:04.50 | WobWork | which s'ploit is that? |
| 07:05.19 | Kirov | WobWork - one that was posted on the forums, then retracted (both by request) |
| 07:05.32 | Kirov | Basically, move your camera where ever the fuck you want. |
| 07:05.48 | WobWork | ah =) |
| 07:06.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, so, I wanted to play with my laptop. So I'm not sleeping like I said I was. |
| 07:06.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Kirov: it's a pretty useless sploit all told - it is stupidly hard to position your camera, and despite the intitial post on the matter, does not let you see through stealth |
| 07:07.15 | Kirov | ScytheBlade1 - aye, though looking at what it does, it'd be easy to write an addon that'd let me put the camera anywhere I wanted. |
| 07:07.54 | ScytheBlade1 | I admit, I just copied and pasted the macros and called it good. Didn't look into it in detail. |
| 07:09.06 | Esine | share them with the world and get us banned plz |
| 07:09.21 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 07:09.27 | ScytheBlade1 | They would be stupidly hard to ban |
| 07:09.32 | Kirov | Oddly, probably not bannable |
| 07:09.45 | Kirov | Probably not even detectable. |
| 07:09.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Not as someone who knows the inner details of warden |
| 07:09.50 | widgertick | Those macros aren't really too helpful as an exploit anyways, since the camera positioning doesn't affect your Area of Interest at all. |
| 07:10.03 | ScytheBlade1 | What he said |
| 07:10.17 | widgertick | They just let you look around at all the world geometry past a certain range. |
| 07:10.28 | ScytheBlade1 | In an instance (battleground)? Sure, as you can see everything regardless |
| 07:10.34 | ScytheBlade1 | But as a whole it's pretty weak |
| 07:10.57 | widgertick | ScytheBlade1: Only mostly true |
| 07:11.01 | Kirov | It'd be usable in WG |
| 07:11.02 | widgertick | Go try it in AV |
| 07:11.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh. AV doesn't count ;) |
| 07:11.21 | WobWork | WSG is good to find the flag I guess |
| 07:11.27 | Kirov | Aye |
| 07:11.30 | WobWork | just have it pop around to the usual hiding places |
| 07:11.32 | ScytheBlade1 | It appears on the map anyways after X minutes |
| 07:11.47 | ScytheBlade1 | And besides, there are always the Elixirs of Dream Vision if you really want to |
| 07:12.09 | Kirov | ScytheBlade1 - you can adjust it to move a lot faster |
| 07:12.10 | WobWork | true, but I remember when hC set up a frame and camera to have a 'rear vision mirror' of sorts in WSG |
| 07:12.21 | WobWork | I'm not sure how he pulled it off, tbh =P |
| 07:12.57 | Kirov | I could see how to do that |
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| 07:19.36 | batrick | (Unix) is there a way to simultaneously output to both stdout and to a file? |
| 07:20.50 | sag_ich_nicht | probably |
| 07:21.05 | Esine | batbot, yes |
| 07:21.06 | Esine | tee |
| 07:21.12 | sag_ich_nicht | ah |
| 07:21.16 | sag_ich_nicht | i was thinking of tee |
| 07:21.19 | sag_ich_nicht | but couldn't remember the name |
| 07:21.26 | Esine | batbot, some_command | tee output_file |
| 07:22.06 | batrick | thanks |
| 07:28.02 | Cairenn | night MentalPower|ZZzz |
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| 07:47.10 | Cairenn | night ScytheBlade1 |
| 07:47.18 | Guillotine | oo, and grats Kirov! |
| 07:47.25 | Guillotine | night Cair :) |
| 07:47.34 | Cairenn | night Guillotine |
| 07:47.38 | Guillotine | purl, gn |
| 07:47.39 | purl | methinks gn is Guinea. Good Night Bastards |
| 07:47.44 | Cairenn | lol |
| 07:47.50 | Guillotine | haha |
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| 07:50.27 | Kirov | gratz? |
| 07:50.34 | Kirov | what'd I get gratz for? |
| 07:50.57 | Kirov | lol |
| 07:51.01 | Kirov | o |
| 07:51.16 | Cairenn | big jerk, not telling us something so important as that! |
| 07:51.18 | Cairenn | sheesh |
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| 07:57.42 | Wobin | " A place to watch active development of World of Warcraft addons.": <Attenborough>And if you watch closely, you can see the mating patterns change on the Lesser Addon Library as it attempts to mount the Greater Compilations while the Alpha's back is turned...</Attenborough> |
| 07:58.06 | Cairenn | hahahahhahahaha |
| 07:59.02 | leethal | ! |
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| 11:22.08 | batrick | anybody know how to force gcc to include the entire contents of an archive into an executable? |
| 11:22.13 | batrick | (linking question) |
| 11:28.17 | Cairenn | lol - "does virgin olive oil get as many dates as skank olive oil" |
| 11:30.16 | batrick | for those who case, --whole-archive is the ld option |
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| 11:36.03 | JoshBorke | morning Cairenn |
| 11:36.07 | Cairenn | hi JoshBorke |
| 11:36.55 | Cairenn | so, if you haven't gone to sleep yet, but it's 7:30am - is it actually morning? |
| 11:37.43 | JoshBorke | i figured you hadn't gone to sleep yet :-P |
| 11:37.47 | Cairenn | heh |
| 11:38.05 | batrick | compiling can be such a pain in the ass /sigh |
| 11:38.06 | Cairenn | whatever gave you that idea? the fact I actually laughed at that joke? |
| 11:38.18 | batrick | "ld: warning: cannot find entry symbol _start; defaulting to 0000000008049690" |
| 11:38.20 | JoshBorke | Cairenn: the fact that you're awake :-P |
| 11:38.25 | Cairenn | heh |
| 11:54.48 | Tem | night, Cairenn |
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| 13:16.41 | sag_ich_nicht | My sinister work is nearly completed |
| 13:16.43 | sag_ich_nicht | beware |
| 13:18.43 | Cide | I find it really stupid how these "post your ui" topics have what appears to be the authoritative way of designing UIs |
| 13:18.52 | Cide | it's not like personal taste is a factor |
| 13:19.51 | sag_ich_nicht | your taste is irrelevant. |
| 13:19.57 | sag_ich_nicht | you will make your UI alt+Z. |
| 13:20.00 | sag_ich_nicht | you will not resist. |
| 13:20.04 | sag_ich_nicht | you will be minimalized. |
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| 15:27.14 | Seerah | This just made me cry. :( http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=26898570848 |
| 15:27.46 | Lopeppeppy | Hidden behind login. Makes me cry with you. :( |
| 15:28.36 | ckknight | cruelty's wrong |
| 15:28.41 | Seerah | bah. "In 2007, the 'artist' Guillermo Vargas Habacuc, took a dog from the street, tied him to a rope in an art gallery and began starving him to death. |
| 15:28.41 | Seerah | For several days, the 'artist' and the visitors of the exhibition watched, emotionless, the shameful 'masterpiece' based on the dog's agony, until eventually he died." |
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| 15:28.54 | Lopeppeppy | That's just stupid. *sigh* |
| 15:29.07 | Seerah | "But this is not all... the prestigious Visual Arts Biennial of Central America decided that the 'installation' WAS actually art, so Guillermo Vargas Habacuc has been invited to repeat his cruel action for the Biennial of 2008." |
| 15:29.46 | Snago | Someone shuold make a masterpiece of his face -.- |
| 15:30.16 | Seerah | and the pictures are so sad :( there's a petition, too http://www.petitiononline.com/ea6gk/petition.html |
| 15:30.26 | Lopeppeppy | Someone should make HIM the starving art. Asshat. |
| 15:31.28 | ckknight | anyone find it funny that people have more sympathy for the starving dog than they do for human beings starving in Africa? |
| 15:31.47 | ckknight | I mean, sure the motives are different, but that doesn't excuse either |
| 15:31.56 | Lopeppeppy | Not always true, ckknight, but still easily observed. |
| 15:32.50 | Hirsute | I think people feel less helpless when thinking about the artist and his cruelty to the dog than they do when they think about people starving in Africa. |
| 15:33.33 | ckknight | also, dogs are cuter. |
| 15:33.55 | Seerah | I have sympathy for people starving in Africa and all over the world. But they're also not tied up in a room by themselves by someone purposefully withholding food from them |
| 15:33.56 | ckknight | would you feel as bad if he starved a rat? |
| 15:34.32 | Seerah | someone made a similar comment on one of the pictures. That if it were a vulture or a snake it wouldn't get as much attention |
| 15:34.36 | ckknight | would you feel bad if a scientist, not an artist, starved a mouse for research? how about a dog? |
| 15:34.39 | Seerah | dog's are man's best friend |
| 15:35.00 | ckknight | I thought real dolls were man's best friend |
| 15:35.17 | ckknight | :-P |
| 15:35.19 | Hirsute | ckknight: If the rat was starved for art? Yes. For well-designed research that had the potential to increase human quality of life? Less so |
| 15:36.17 | ckknight | well, somewhere a line must be drawn, even in the scientific sphere |
| 15:36.24 | ckknight | or no lines at all ;-) |
| 15:37.16 | Hirsute | Like I said, for well-designed research that had hte potential to increase human quality of life. At most academic institutions there are research boards that approve or deny petitions to use animal subjects based upon set criteria. |
| 15:39.34 | amro | ckknight: I agree. |
| 15:39.46 | amro | Also, food is sitting in some warehouses in africa, but not being distributed. that's the same as locking them in a cage |
| 15:40.01 | ckknight | amro: yea |
| 15:40.02 | Lopeppeppy | There's no IRB for asshat artists. |
| 15:40.03 | ckknight | lousy warlords |
| 15:40.09 | ckknight | IRB? |
| 15:40.28 | Hirsute | Institutional Review Board |
| 15:40.32 | Lopeppeppy | Institutional Review Board, oversees experiments in most institutions. |
| 15:40.41 | leethal | cladhaire: ping |
| 15:40.41 | Hirsute | A common body to determine experiments on living subjects. |
| 15:40.48 | cladhaire | pong |
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| 15:43.34 | Cide | cladhaire: pang |
| 15:43.39 | Cide | YOU ARE DEAD. |
| 15:43.43 | cladhaire | k k |
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| 16:05.41 | Valaron|Work | Death is just another part of life. |
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| 16:21.02 | Nom- | looks like i'm going to spend the night firefighting... maybe literally... the air con in our data centre has died |
| 16:21.05 | Nom- | *sigh* |
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| 16:21.55 | sag_ich_nicht | grats Nom- |
| 16:21.56 | sag_ich_nicht | good luck |
| 16:22.33 | cncfanatics | hello everyone |
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| 16:26.58 | Atriace | If functionA returns varying amount of variables, would "varDB = {}; varDB = functionA()" return all variables into the database? (I get the impression it wouldn't) |
| 16:27.28 | alestane | varDB = {functionA()} |
| 16:27.49 | ckknight | that doesn't catch all data, alestane |
| 16:28.12 | Drundia | doesn't? why not? |
| 16:28.12 | alestane | Hm? |
| 16:28.19 | ckknight | you'd have to do local function f(...) return { n=select('#', ...), ...} end; varDB = f(functionA()) |
| 16:28.27 | ckknight | since what if functionA() returns a nil? |
| 16:28.44 | Drundia | table will contain 1 nil |
| 16:29.23 | Drundia | !lua function func() return nil; end; t={func()}; print(#t) |
| 16:29.24 | batbot | Drundia: 0 |
| 16:29.27 | Drundia | hmmm |
| 16:29.33 | Drundia | indeed 0 :( |
| 16:29.42 | Drundia | !lua function func() return 1,nil; end; t={func()}; print(#t) |
| 16:29.42 | batbot | Drundia: 1 |
| 16:29.52 | Drundia | !lua function func() return 1,nil,2; end; t={func()}; print(#t) |
| 16:29.52 | batbot | Drundia: 3 |
| 16:30.03 | alestane | print({(function() return 1, 'a', nil, true end)()}) |
| 16:30.03 | ckknight | yea, that doesn't always work, btw. |
| 16:30.29 | alestane | !lua print({(function() return 1, 'a', nil, true end)()}) |
| 16:30.30 | batbot | alestane: table: 0x82e1c38 |
| 16:30.38 | Drundia | !lua function func() return 1,nil,2,nil,nil,3; end; t={func()}; print(#t) |
| 16:30.39 | batbot | Drundia: 6 |
| 16:30.46 | Drundia | !lua function func() return 1,nil,2,nil,nil,nil,nil,3; end; t={func()}; print(#t) |
| 16:30.46 | batbot | Drundia: 8 |
| 16:30.55 | Drundia | as you see it works on very sparse returns too |
| 16:30.58 | Snago | If I want to reset a :SetTexCoord() on a texture, it's :SetTexCoord(0, 1, 0, 1)? |
| 16:31.00 | Drundia | it just cuts off trailing nils |
| 16:32.03 | alestane | !lua print(unpack{(function() return 1, 'a', nil, true end)()}) |
| 16:32.03 | batbot | alestane: 1 a nil true |
| 16:32.32 | Drundia | !lua print(unpack{(function() return 1, 'a', nil, true, nil, nil end)()}) |
| 16:32.32 | batbot | Drundia: 1 a |
| 16:32.41 | Drundia | evil :( |
| 16:33.05 | alestane | so it does at least look like varDB[n] should equal (select(n, functionA())) |
| 16:33.07 | Drundia | !lua function func() return 1, 'a', nil, true, nil, nil; end; t={func()}; print(#t) |
| 16:33.07 | batbot | Drundia: 2 |
| 16:33.36 | alestane | But the number of trailing nils returned is lost. |
| 16:33.40 | Drundia | !lua function func() return 1, 'a', nil, true, nil, nil; end; t={func()}; for k,v in pairs(t) do print(k,v); end; |
| 16:33.40 | batbot | Drundia: 1 12 a4 true |
| 16:34.03 | Drundia | well, we can still get all data |
| 16:34.10 | Drundia | all non-nil data that is |
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| 16:39.10 | [Liquidor] | GUESS WHO'S GOT A PREPAID GAME CARD ??? :---------D |
| 16:42.15 | cncfanatics | [Liquidor]: me ? |
| 16:42.53 | [Liquidor] | cncfanatics, you do? |
| 16:43.11 | Nom- | mmm inlet temp 42C |
| 16:43.12 | Nom- | toasty |
| 16:43.28 | Duman | jeez |
| 16:43.35 | Duman | find a new datacenter |
| 16:43.55 | cncfanatics | [Liquidor]: yes |
| 16:44.01 | Atriace | Snago: Yes. obj:SetTexCoord(0,1,0,1) |
| 16:44.11 | Nom- | lol it's basically the only choice |
| 16:44.22 | Snago | Atriace: Thanks :) |
| 16:44.47 | cncfanatics | lol, how would I make the first letter of a word uppercase ? |
| 16:45.07 | Snago | And if I set a new texture, does the TexCoords stay? |
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| 16:46.17 | Snago | !lua string.gsub("word", "(.)", string.upper, 1) |
| 16:46.17 | batbot | Snago: > Word, 1 |
| 16:47.01 | Snago | cncfanatics: like that? ^^ |
| 16:47.29 | cncfanatics | !lua ("word")[1] = ("word")[1].upper(); |
| 16:47.29 | batbot | cncfanatics: @ [string "("word")[1] = ("word")[1].upper();"]:1: attempt to index field '?' (a nil value) |
| 16:47.38 | cncfanatics | damn, I thought that'd work |
| 16:48.14 | Drundia | you need your own function to make first letter of a word uppercase for multi-word strings |
| 16:48.39 | cncfanatics | Snago's should work fine |
| 16:48.52 | cncfanatics | its for this function: |
| 16:50.00 | Mikk | snago's is possibly more efficient |
| 16:50.04 | cncfanatics | http://www.pastey.net/85919 |
| 16:50.15 | cncfanatics | basicly, PickupSomething |
| 16:50.17 | Mikk | lua doesn't necessarily need to create a substring for letters 2--n of the word |
| 16:50.29 | Mikk | not a lua-side collectable one anyway |
| 16:50.49 | Drundia | uhm that's interesting |
| 16:51.23 | Drundia | but you can't pick up items specified by their bag positions |
| 16:51.35 | cncfanatics | I should use ... |
| 16:52.05 | cncfanatics | http://www.pastey.net/85920 there, better |
| 16:52.55 | Drundia | not really |
| 16:53.04 | Drundia | i think picking up such items as actions is a bit complicated |
| 16:53.14 | cncfanatics | well, it can accept anything |
| 16:53.20 | cncfanatics | its mainly for buttons with attributes though |
| 16:53.24 | cncfanatics | a button's type could be item |
| 16:53.34 | cncfanatics | and then an item name as "item" attribute |
| 16:53.42 | cncfanatics | which can be passed directly to that func |
| 16:53.44 | Drundia | it could be "bag slot" |
| 16:54.00 | Drundia | for such use SecureCmdItemParse(item) |
| 16:54.15 | cncfanatics | hmmmm, it can't be atm for fb |
| 16:54.22 | Arrowmaster | lua> ("word word word"):gsub("%f[%a](%a)(%a*)%f[%A]", function(c,x) return c:upper()..x end) |
| 16:54.22 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: Word Word Word, 3 |
| 16:54.24 | cncfanatics | I'll extend it if that becomes possible thoughj |
| 16:55.05 | Mikk | cncfanatics: i'd just make a lookup table tbfh |
| 16:55.16 | Mikk | faster, no garbage |
| 16:55.32 | cncfanatics | could do |
| 16:55.59 | cncfanatics | could just use conditionals too |
| 16:56.03 | cncfanatics | as there's not that much of them |
| 16:57.03 | Mikk | idd |
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| 16:59.33 | Shirik|AFK | what's that site that ranks guilds based on progression? |
| 16:59.51 | Nom- | wowjutsu.com |
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| 16:59.53 | Shirik | thanks |
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| 17:03.22 | cncfanatics | damn, code can have such weird bugs :( |
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| 17:24.47 | Lunessa | ... station |
| 17:29.59 | Shirik | rawr |
| 17:30.12 | Shirik | :( Who was it that used to have the auto-scared-of-rawr script |
| 17:35.58 | Esamynn | O_o |
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| 17:39.17 | Shirik | heh |
| 17:39.33 | Shirik | someone had a script where whever you go "rawr" it goes "oh noes I escared of teh rawr" |
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| 17:44.09 | Lunessa | ... lawl? |
| 17:44.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Stupid people are fun. |
| 17:45.17 | ScytheBlade1 | "LOL WOW USES A PRNG INCOMING LOOT PREDCITION PROGRAMS" |
| 17:45.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Man, if nothing else, the forums are good for a laugh. |
| 17:45.31 | Syzgyn | ^^ |
| 17:45.42 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5981288846&sid=1 |
| 17:45.48 | ScytheBlade1 | He's one of those "verbose" people too |
| 17:47.08 | Kaso | wow uses a Mersenne Twister right? period of 2^19937 good luck with that |
| 17:47.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Nope |
| 17:47.54 | ScytheBlade1 | IBAA |
| 17:48.05 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10271177&postId=102801194&sid=1#0 |
| 17:48.09 | Kirov | TRNG? |
| 17:48.17 | ScytheBlade1 | PRNG |
| 17:48.19 | Kirov | They realize that doesn't exist, right |
| 17:48.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh |
| 17:48.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Haha |
| 17:48.31 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah I told you the guy is a moron |
| 17:48.57 | Kirov | That's one of the "benefits" of a quantum computer is the possibility of a TRNG |
| 17:49.39 | Kirov | Otherwise, all random numbers are "psuedo" |
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| 17:53.31 | alestane | Quantum computing...you either know what program you're running, or whether it crashed, but not both? |
| 17:53.44 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 17:54.14 | zenzelezz | I've always thought of quantum booleans; but no-one seems to share my curiosity about them |
| 17:54.40 | Kirov | zenzelezz - both true and false at the same time, but never either, unless you look at it. |
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| 17:55.03 | alestane | I was going to say that the truth or falsity of the value would depend on the observer, yes. |
| 17:55.17 | alestane | So they're boolean opinions. |
| 17:55.24 | End | Kaso is being abusive at the internet! |
| 17:55.30 | zenzelezz | Windows Quantum - Who knows where you will go today? |
| 17:55.37 | Kaso| | As i was saying, i love it when non-computer scientists start talking about PRNGs, it always ends in humor. |
| 17:56.00 | Kirov | That's the real danger of quantum computers, someone just needs to want the computer to crash for it to crash1 |
| 17:56.03 | cncfanatics | Kaso: linky ? |
| 17:56.08 | Kaso | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5981288846&sid=1 |
| 17:56.16 | Kaso | ScytheBlade1, linked in a min or two ago |
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| 17:57.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaso: yeah that's... the same thread I linked :) |
| 17:57.05 | ScytheBlade1 | A min or two ago :) |
| 17:57.14 | cncfanatics | TNRG's ? |
| 17:57.19 | cncfanatics | does that even exist in the compu-world ? |
| 17:57.22 | Lunessa | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/04/09/schrodinger-improves-accuracy/ |
| 17:57.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Not really. |
| 17:57.30 | ScytheBlade1 | People are just stupid. |
| 17:57.31 | cncfanatics | you can't generate truely random numbers on a computer as far as I know |
| 17:57.33 | Kaso | thats why i stank ScytheBlade1 linked it a min or two ago... |
| 17:57.43 | ScytheBlade1 | OH |
| 17:57.46 | kd3 | only in the sense of someone hooking up a geiger counter/lavalamp to a computer |
| 17:57.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Haha, sorry. I read that wrong. Your comma threw me off. Thought you were talking to me. |
| 17:58.03 | Kaso | yah i think some companies do sell hardware random generators |
| 17:58.14 | Kaso | the comma is from me tabbing out of lazyness :< |
| 17:58.22 | ScytheBlade1 | A lot of them do. A lot of computer ship with hardware base RNGs now. |
| 17:58.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah I realized that :) |
| 17:58.32 | cncfanatics | thats still pseudo isn't it ? |
| 17:58.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 17:58.42 | cncfanatics | "truly" random numbers don't exist by definition |
| 17:58.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, pseudo + crap that standard software can't do |
| 17:58.55 | Kaso | thats getting a little philosophical for my liking |
| 17:58.58 | Kirov | Some people seem to sell what they call TRNGs, but really they're just really really complex PRNGs |
| 17:59.09 | Kaso | but a giger counter plus a low level radation source is good enough to me |
| 17:59.10 | zenzelezz | computer TRNGs are about as true as a politician's promises |
| 17:59.23 | Kaso | s/to/for/ |
| 17:59.33 | Kirov | Throw enough variables in the pot and you're bound to come up with something random - like |
| 17:59.50 | cncfanatics | thats not random Kirov :p |
| 18:00.09 | Lunessa | " TRNG's are like looking at a road and for every white car that passes give a binary value of 1 and for any other color car a binary value of 2" Umm.. binary... 0 or 1 dufus. |
| 18:00.14 | Kirov | cncfanatics - no, but that's how random number generators work. |
| 18:00.40 | alestane | A numerical alphabet of 1 and 2 is still binary...it's just very hard to do math with. |
| 18:00.52 | Kirov | Most viruses just use the current time to create random numbers. |
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| 18:01.13 | cncfanatics | if I was a virus, I'd delete important files instead of random ones |
| 18:01.19 | Kaso | hah |
| 18:01.44 | Kirov | cncfanatics - they use it for getting their next ip target |
| 18:02.22 | cncfanatics | hmmmm, makes sense |
| 18:02.25 | ScytheBlade1 | WoW uses IBAA with the server's timestamp as the seed |
| 18:03.01 | cncfanatics | sounds like more then enough |
| 18:03.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Sounds like it is working, when the #1 complaint from top-tier guilds is "lol, RNG" |
| 18:03.35 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 18:04.02 | Kaso | plus what these people usually forget is that the random generator prob isnt just used for loot, they prob use it for every random thing in the game, whether you crit, whether a nelf rolls or not when he jumps, so much so that each server must have thousands of unpredictable random calls a second, making any patten finding even more crazily stupidly hard to get |
| 18:04.16 | Kirov | timestamp is also good since the "when" is controlled by a human action (ie: rolling, entering an instance, etc.) |
| 18:04.18 | cncfanatics | Kaso: yep |
| 18:04.24 | Kirov | It's harder to get more random then that. |
| 18:04.31 | cncfanatics | its not ! |
| 18:04.45 | cncfanatics | have hamsters in blizz HQ trained to randomly push buttons |
| 18:04.47 | cncfanatics | THATS random ! |
| 18:04.53 | Kaso | hah |
| 18:04.55 | ScytheBlade1 | HAMSTER BIAS |
| 18:04.55 | Kaso | HRNG |
| 18:04.57 | ScytheBlade1 | BBBIIIIIIIAAAAAASSSSS |
| 18:05.09 | Kirov | http://cyberartist.shackspace.com/etc/wowserverupgrade.jpg |
| 18:05.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Uh-oh |
| 18:05.33 | ScytheBlade1 | The servers might go down and upgrade on their own now |
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| 18:06.06 | Kirov | Actually, there was a study done about what happens if you give a bunch of chimps a typewriter will they eventually write shakespear. |
| 18:06.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah it didn't really work out ;) |
| 18:06.27 | Kirov | They found after several years of study that ... no, mainly they crap on the keyboard and type S a lot |
| 18:06.37 | Kirov | Just S |
| 18:06.37 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 18:06.42 | Kaso | SSSSSSSshitSSSSSSSSSSSS |
| 18:06.51 | cncfanatics | lol |
| 18:06.57 | cncfanatics | HRNG is the best idea I have heard this year |
| 18:07.06 | alestane | Wait John! #47 has something...I think this is famous or something!.!...'To be or not to be, that is the gzornenplahtt.'" |
| 18:07.19 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 18:08.31 | alestane | Besides, the only purpose of the whole infinite number of monkeys example is to try and refute the argument that functional engineering (i.e. cellular biology) can't exist without an intelligent designer. |
| 18:09.42 | cncfanatics | alestane: can it ? |
| 18:09.46 | Kaso | if we kill of monkies that produce the least-coherent writing and breed the best, we can evolve a specices of writing monkies? |
| 18:09.51 | Kirov | alestane - but it assumes monkeys are random, which is why it fails. |
| 18:10.00 | cncfanatics | the chance one writes shakespear is 1/infinite, which is zero |
| 18:10.11 | cncfanatics | (even if they were random) |
| 18:10.14 | alestane | it is not zero. |
| 18:10.25 | cncfanatics | 1/infinite is generaly considered to be zero |
| 18:10.33 | cncfanatics | !lua 1/Math.huge |
| 18:10.33 | batbot | cncfanatics: @ [string "return 1/Math.huge"]:1: attempt to index global 'Math' (a nil value) |
| 18:10.41 | cncfanatics |  !lua 1/math.huge |
| 18:10.51 | Kirov | !lua 1/math.huge |
| 18:10.51 | batbot | Kirov: > 0 |
| 18:10.53 | alestane | If you have all possible writings generated, then one of them is the complete works of Shakespeare. However, good luck finding it in all the gibberish. |
| 18:10.57 | [Liquidor] | Kaelten, ads still off? |
| 18:12.34 | cncfanatics | thing is, you can'th ave all possible writings generated |
| 18:12.42 | cncfanatics | there are always more possibilities |
| 18:12.44 | alestane | Not in a finite universe, no. |
| 18:14.48 | Kaso | brb, starting a writing monkey breeding program |
| 18:15.10 | Kaso | I'll selectively breed a monkey that writes better than shakespear! just you see |
| 18:15.33 | alestane | Also, by that same token you can't divide anything by infinity...infinity is not a value, but a limit, or the absence of one. What you can say definitively is that for f(x) = 1/x, the limit of f(x), as x increases towards positive infinity, is positive zero. |
| 18:16.19 | Kirov | Kaso - Yes, but what's the point of a greek tragedy influenced drama about a monkey? |
| 18:16.42 | Kirov | "Oh, Brutus, you hath slain my banana!" |
| 18:16.47 | Lunessa | Kaso: You're too late. I have already bread Steven King |
| 18:16.48 | Kaso | Hahah |
| 18:17.24 | kd3 | http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2795.txt |
| 18:18.20 | Kaso | i've never seen that! |
| 18:18.34 | Kaso | Ive seen IPoPigeon one but this is awesome |
| 18:18.39 | kd3 | all hail April Fool's RFCs |
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| 18:19.11 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: evil bit? |
| 18:19.19 | zenzelezz | I still prefer the "night before startup" RFC |
| 18:19.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, ha, nope |
| 18:19.26 | ScytheBlade1 | But argubably better |
| 18:26.39 | ralfWORK | wow that's a good one |
| 18:26.59 | Josh_Borke | anyone have experience with tape autoloaders? |
| 18:27.17 | ralfWORK | I once existed in a department that had one |
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| 18:27.27 | ralfWORK | it was a piece of shit |
| 18:27.28 | Josh_Borke | you no longer exist? |
| 18:27.35 | ralfWORK | does that count as experience? :( |
| 18:27.41 | ralfWORK | I do exist! |
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| 18:27.45 | ralfWORK | just not in that department :) |
| 18:29.32 | ralfWORK | btw, rfc2795 delivers |
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| 19:37.11 | Zyuu | It's quiet in here. |
| 19:38.03 | ralfWORK | yea |
| 19:38.06 | nevcairiel | and now you destroyed the silence :( |
| 19:38.27 | ralfWORK | lol |
| 19:38.31 | Zyuu | It's the eggshells I'm walking on :o |
| 19:38.52 | nevcairiel | bare feet? |
| 19:39.09 | Zyuu | Yes, can you hear it? |
| 19:39.22 | nevcairiel | i was more wondering if that hurts |
| 19:39.25 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 19:39.31 | ScytheBlade1 | It's unusually quiet here todayy |
| 19:39.36 | ScytheBlade1 | *today |
| 19:39.43 | Zyuu | It only does if I break them, I'm stealthy |
| 19:40.21 | ScytheBlade1 | HAHA |
| 19:40.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Grr, paste |
| 19:40.32 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 |
| 19:40.35 | ScytheBlade1 | There we go! |
| 19:41.21 | ScytheBlade1 | That's pretty much epic win |
| 19:41.39 | ralfWORK | you will not rick roll me, ScytheBlade1! |
| 19:42.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, for what it is worth, it wasn't pointed at you |
| 19:42.17 | Zyuu | me |
| 19:42.18 | Zyuu | for sure |
| 19:42.21 | Zyuu | I didn't click |
| 19:42.23 | ScytheBlade1 | There you go! ;) |
| 19:42.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Boo |
| 19:42.28 | Zyuu | I was rickrolled yesterday :P |
| 19:42.33 | Zyuu | in this very channel |
| 19:42.35 | ScytheBlade1 | I was hoping it was random enough |
| 19:42.37 | Zyuu | I know better now! |
| 19:42.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Darn. :/ |
| 19:42.46 | Zyuu | there's actually a firefox addon |
| 19:42.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, I saw it |
| 19:42.53 | Zyuu | that add all rickroll urls to a blacklist |
| 19:42.56 | ralfWORK | I heard about that addon :) |
| 19:42.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Me? I solve the problem a different way |
| 19:43.02 | Zyuu | and block them :p |
| 19:43.04 | ScytheBlade1 | (I don't install flash.) |
| 19:43.04 | Zyuu | but there's another too |
| 19:43.11 | Zyuu | the random link goes to rickroll |
| 19:43.23 | Zyuu | I installed it on my sister's pc. |
| 19:43.27 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 19:43.29 | zenzelezz | one of my work mates has taken the habit of playing the rickroll tune regularly... |
| 19:43.43 | Zyuu | It's a tune that get stuck in your head |
| 19:43.44 | ralfWORK | it's good raiding music :P |
| 19:43.48 | Zyuu | lol what |
| 19:43.56 | ScytheBlade1 | A guy I know rickroll'd his friends PC |
| 19:44.10 | ScytheBlade1 | He wrote a bash script that searched through his hard drive for all of the MP3s |
| 19:44.17 | ralfWORK | that plus kenney loggins! |
| 19:44.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Spliced them at the :30 marker into Mr. Astley |
| 19:44.25 | ScytheBlade1 | And kept the ID3 tags intact |
| 19:44.34 | ralfWORK | ScytheBlade1: oh snap that's brilliant |
| 19:44.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah. Friends don't let friends have write access to their music collection. It's just a bad idea. |
| 19:44.58 | Zyuu | That's harsh schythe |
| 19:44.58 | haste | that's godly evil |
| 19:45.02 | Zyuu | i'd be pretty mad |
| 19:45.03 | Zyuu | actually wait |
| 19:45.06 | Zyuu | VERY mad :p |
| 19:45.29 | ralfWORK | why do you think I lock my machine every time I get up from my desk :P |
| 19:45.32 | ScytheBlade1 | He backed it up first, so no real harm done |
| 19:45.40 | Zyuu | Hehe |
| 19:45.42 | ScytheBlade1 | But yeah, that's probably the most awesome rickroll that I know of |
| 19:45.42 | Zyuu | that's good |
| 19:45.55 | Zyuu | I also liked the addon that rickrolled you on april the first |
| 19:46.08 | kd3 | ya, HighRoller was a stroke of genius |
| 19:46.18 | Zyuu | good stuff :) |
| 19:46.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh, same person |
| 19:46.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Went with a coworker to lunch |
| 19:47.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Popped in a CD on the drive there |
| 19:47.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Wasn't even subtle, it was like 12 tracks of astley |
| 19:47.17 | ralfWORK | hahaahhaah |
| 19:47.41 | Fisker- | fuck you kd3 |
| 19:47.44 | Fisker- | thrall is a chicken |
| 19:47.46 | ralfWORK | I used to put http://www.zombo.com on my windows Active Desktop |
| 19:47.50 | Fisker- | we were on the last wave before the boss |
| 19:47.55 | ralfWORK | turn the volume so it was barely audible |
| 19:47.57 | Fisker- | and thrall despawned |
| 19:48.00 | ralfWORK | lock my machine |
| 19:48.04 | ralfWORK | and go to lunch :) |
| 19:48.04 | Fisker- | saying we failed :( |
| 19:48.08 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ ralfWORK |
| 19:48.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Sadly I don't have flash installed, so I have no clue what that is |
| 19:48.24 | ralfWORK | ahahahaha |
| 19:48.29 | ralfWORK | man up and install flash |
| 19:48.32 | ralfWORK | this isn't 1997 |
| 19:48.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Screw that. It's intentional. |
| 19:49.50 | Zyuu | Flash is pretty awesome |
| 19:49.50 | kd3 | oh wow |
| 19:49.50 | ScytheBlade1 | No ads with sound, no crappy myspaces pages (inc XKCD link) |
| 19:49.50 | kd3 | they're reverting the tauren weapon size change |
| 19:49.50 | Zyuu | Well schythe |
| 19:49.50 | Zyuu | *scythe |
| 19:49.50 | Zyuu | you miss out on some nice video streams, etc |
| 19:49.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Not really |
| 19:49.52 | Zyuu | depends what you like doing on the net I suppose |
| 19:49.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Flash in and of itself isn't a "nice" video stream ;) |
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| 19:49.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Fair enough |
| 19:49.56 | Zyuu | but I prefer the streams in the flashplayer |
| 19:50.07 | ralfWORK | what about pr0n? |
| 19:50.07 | Zyuu | the other things like quicktime just eat my resources. |
| 19:50.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, I see your problem. |
| 19:50.28 | ScytheBlade1 | You're on windows ;) |
| 19:50.34 | ralfWORK | lol |
| 19:50.34 | Zyuu | Haha.. |
| 19:50.42 | Zyuu | and vista :p |
| 19:50.55 | ralfWORK | double fail |
| 19:50.59 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got a gentoo linux, debian linux, centos linux, and XP box |
| 19:50.59 | Zyuu | Like I said yesterday |
| 19:51.05 | Zyuu | Vista is like a beautiful nightmare |
| 19:51.19 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll likely buy Vista Ultimate once I get a more stable source of income |
| 19:51.27 | ScytheBlade1 | I've actually got a Win 2k3 standard license |
| 19:51.34 | Zyuu | Well Vista works fine. I have zero issues with it... after I got a laptop with 2gb ram. |
| 19:51.36 | ScytheBlade1 | That I actually own :P |
| 19:51.38 | Zyuu | Do not run it with 1gb. |
| 19:51.43 | Zyuu | It's just too slow |
| 19:51.44 | ralfWORK | wow |
| 19:51.50 | ralfWORK | that's pretty ridiculous |
| 19:51.52 | nevcairiel | even with 2gb its slow for me |
| 19:52.02 | Beladona | meh |
| 19:52.03 | nevcairiel | cant run two wow copys at the same time <.< |
| 19:52.03 | Zyuu | Well, XP is 'faster' |
| 19:52.11 | Zyuu | I have SP1 too but |
| 19:52.13 | Beladona | nowadays a computer with less than 2gb is silly anyway |
| 19:52.16 | Zyuu | I agree |
| 19:52.23 | ralfWORK | yea it is |
| 19:52.24 | Zyuu | The laptop I ordered was said to have 2gb |
| 19:52.28 | Zyuu | but they sent me one with 1 |
| 19:52.31 | ralfWORK | but I'd kinda rather use that ram for applications |
| 19:52.33 | ralfWORK | not the OS |
| 19:52.33 | Zyuu | so I had it replaced |
| 19:52.38 | Zyuu | Yup |
| 19:52.39 | Beladona | my desktop is Vista 64bit, with 4gb memory |
| 19:52.45 | Beladona | runs 2 wows just fine |
| 19:52.46 | Zyuu | but 2gb should be standard at the very least |
| 19:52.52 | nevcairiel | anyway, i'm still not sure what Vista really offers that i migh get it for :D |
| 19:52.54 | Beladona | can even raid on one |
| 19:52.56 | Zyuu | I haven't tried gaming on mine yet. It has a gf 8600 though. |
| 19:52.57 | ScytheBlade1 | My laptop (debian) and desktop (gentoo) are 64 bit |
| 19:53.13 | nevcairiel | Beladona: yeah well i only had 2gb, works perfectly smooth on xp :) |
| 19:53.14 | Beladona | vista is different |
| 19:53.16 | Beladona | thats all |
| 19:53.25 | Zyuu | Speaking of graphic cards, anyone know if the gf 8600 to a laptop is better then the 7900 gtx to a stationary? |
| 19:53.27 | Beladona | remember when you switched to xp? |
| 19:53.35 | Zyuu | XP use to be buggy and slow too |
| 19:53.40 | Zyuu | took awhile for them to fix, indeed |
| 19:53.48 | Zyuu | Just how it is I guess. |
| 19:53.50 | Beladona | and then when you used a win 2000 machine, and you were like "wtf, I can't use this" |
| 19:54.01 | Beladona | because you were used to the extra xp features? |
| 19:54.03 | Zyuu | Some try to compare Vista to Millenium -- that's not fair IMO. |
| 19:54.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Win2k is still my one true love. |
| 19:54.09 | Beladona | same idea here |
| 19:54.12 | Beladona | I can't use xp anymore |
| 19:54.16 | ScytheBlade1 | All of the XP 'features' that weren't in 2k, I still think are bloat. |
| 19:54.17 | Beladona | well, I can, but not willingly |
| 19:54.23 | nevcairiel | xp wasnt really that much of a stretch from 2k |
| 19:54.28 | nevcairiel | you could turn of the eye candy |
| 19:54.31 | Zyuu | I guess what it comes down to is what you prefer to do |
| 19:54.35 | Zyuu | and what you need to get done |
| 19:54.35 | Beladona | of course, and I did |
| 19:54.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Not the one that _really_ pissed me off though |
| 19:54.40 | Beladona | it was the little things though |
| 19:54.50 | Beladona | that hooked me |
| 19:54.50 | Zyuu | I kinda like the Vista interface (Aero) and stuff like that :) |
| 19:54.50 | ScytheBlade1 | That change to the "find files" dialog |
| 19:54.53 | Beladona | the interface I could care less about |
| 19:54.54 | ScytheBlade1 | I'M GOING TO STAB THAT DOG IF I SEE IT ONE MORE TIME |
| 19:55.01 | Zyuu | What do you like Beladona? |
| 19:55.01 | Beladona | its the functionality I care about |
| 19:55.03 | Polarina | GNOME on GNU is a lot better than Windows⢠in my opinion. |
| 19:55.04 | nevcairiel | aero is nice |
| 19:55.04 | nevcairiel | still not worth the resource hogs it adds |
| 19:55.06 | nevcairiel | imgo |
| 19:55.08 | nevcairiel | *imho |
| 19:55.10 | Zyuu | I haven't had Vista for that long |
| 19:55.20 | Beladona | the entire thumbnail system is cool |
| 19:55.25 | Beladona | and I like stacking files |
| 19:55.37 | Beladona | by query |
| 19:55.46 | Beladona | not to mention how all the image features like tags and such are built in |
| 19:55.52 | Zyuu | You've turned off UAC right? (or whatever it's called) |
| 19:56.04 | nevcairiel | i couldnt use my system with UAC on =P |
| 19:56.07 | Zyuu | Yup, those things are good. And I guess it's safer |
| 19:56.09 | Zyuu | same |
| 19:56.11 | Zyuu | I go insane |
| 19:56.13 | Beladona | its not that bad post sp1 |
| 19:56.19 | Beladona | they dumbed it down some |
| 19:56.19 | Zyuu | Hell, Microsoft even admitted it's meant to annoy users |
| 19:56.27 | Beladona | I keep it on |
| 19:56.28 | Zyuu | Mmm |
| 19:56.32 | Beladona | I want to know when stuff runs |
| 19:56.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Beladona: good for you |
| 19:56.34 | nevcairiel | i have all my file system setup on XP |
| 19:56.36 | Zyuu | I haven't tried it after sp1 |
| 19:56.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Beladona: seriously |
| 19:56.47 | nevcairiel | so most of the time applications cant access some files |
| 19:56.57 | kd3 | <3 selinux |
| 19:56.58 | Beladona | it takes some getting used to |
| 19:57.01 | nevcairiel | unless i specifically chown them again |
| 19:57.04 | Beladona | on the file system side |
| 19:57.12 | Beladona | don't store anything on your main drive |
| 19:57.20 | nevcairiel | it was even a secondary drive |
| 19:57.26 | nevcairiel | and apps couldnt save stuff |
| 19:57.28 | Beladona | edit the permissions |
| 19:57.29 | Zyuu | The way I do it is.. games is on my primary since it's a raptor hdd |
| 19:57.35 | ScytheBlade1 | It does. But until application developers get their heads screwed on straight, it really works well, all things considered. |
| 19:57.35 | Zyuu | I rather not store them there though |
| 19:57.42 | nevcairiel | yeah i cba to edit the permissions of all my folders |
| 19:57.45 | nevcairiel | so byebye uac |
| 19:57.45 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 19:58.37 | Beladona | I use symbolic links extensively |
| 19:58.39 | Beladona | in vista |
| 19:58.45 | Beladona | especially for wow, and wow development |
| 19:59.02 | Zyuu | Everyone talked about Vista being such a resource hog. It's not as bad as I thought :) |
| 19:59.17 | Beladona | there is a lot you can turn off |
| 19:59.19 | ScytheBlade1 | People give it a lot of flak that it doesn't deserve. |
| 19:59.32 | Beladona | but there is a lot in xp you can turn off |
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| 20:00.20 | Zyuu | Microsoft did a decent job with Vista. Saying that usually make people look at me with murder in their eyes though |
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| 20:00.37 | nevcairiel | I can confirm the second part of the sentence right here |
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| 20:01.09 | ralfWORK | rofl |
| 20:01.10 | Zyuu | :P |
| 20:01.27 | Zyuu | anyone use pdf invoice generators? |
| 20:02.04 | nevcairiel | but srsly, i can run two copys of wow on xp64 just fine, no lag at all on the one i have focused .. on vista the whole system dies when i start the second one .. that was the main reason to dump it |
| 20:02.09 | nevcairiel | it need two copys way to often |
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| 20:02.19 | nevcairiel | it=i |
| 20:02.24 | Zyuu | Well |
| 20:02.28 | Zyuu | Do you have SP1? |
| 20:02.35 | nevcairiel | I did at that point, yes |
| 20:02.40 | Zyuu | it could be the drivers to your graphic card as well |
| 20:03.07 | nevcairiel | was latest nvidia drivers (about a month ago or so) |
| 20:03.18 | Zyuu | ah |
| 20:03.19 | Zyuu | I dunno really :) |
| 20:03.24 | Zyuu | I only run one client. |
| 20:03.35 | Zyuu | Plus I don't game on my laptop (where Vista is installed) |
| 20:03.40 | Zyuu | might get Vista for my stationary in the future |
| 20:03.53 | nevcairiel | Probably because vista itself eats so much memory that it needs to swap |
| 20:03.57 | Zyuu | Im guessing you installed XP? |
| 20:04.08 | nevcairiel | a day later or so =P |
| 20:04.19 | nevcairiel | XP64 runs so smoothly for me |
| 20:04.37 | Zyuu | I'm curious, do you feel 64bit of XP and/or Vista is worth it? |
| 20:04.41 | Zyuu | What does it really do, I'm a nub. |
| 20:04.46 | Zyuu | Except for allowing more RAM |
| 20:04.56 | nevcairiel | I'm not sure |
| 20:05.07 | nevcairiel | personally i run Xp64 because its based on the 2k3 server kernel |
| 20:05.13 | nevcairiel | thus a tiny bit more stable |
| 20:05.15 | nevcairiel | then default xp |
| 20:05.32 | ScytheBlade1 | There are currently little to no end-user benefits for running 64 over 32 with Vista |
| 20:05.34 | Zyuu | Can't remember when I last got a bsod. I think it was Nvidia's drivers. |
| 20:05.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Security benefits? Those would be huge. |
| 20:05.57 | Zyuu | security benefits is enough for me |
| 20:06.12 | ScytheBlade1 | And yet you turn off UAC ;) |
| 20:06.17 | Zyuu | Friend said he had issues running Firefox on Vista 64 though |
| 20:06.22 | Zyuu | Well it piss me off |
| 20:06.34 | ScytheBlade1 | To be fair |
| 20:06.45 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd also disable UAC |
| 20:06.51 | ScytheBlade1 | But that's because I'd be running as guest :P |
| 20:07.07 | Zyuu | mmm |
| 20:07.11 | Zyuu | I'm an admin :p |
| 20:07.33 | ScytheBlade1 | As a guest, instead of clicking "yes" all the time |
| 20:07.43 | Zyuu | true |
| 20:07.43 | ScytheBlade1 | You're typing in your password every single time |
| 20:07.50 | Zyuu | Yeah, that's something to consider I suppose |
| 20:07.58 | Zyuu | Why would a 64bit version make it more safe though |
| 20:08.34 | ScytheBlade1 | The 64 bit stuff enforces a lot more stuff that isn't enforced on 32. |
| 20:08.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Sec phone |
| 20:09.08 | nevcairiel | Yeah both XP64 and Vista64 are much more anal about drivers and stuff |
| 20:09.13 | Bela|afk | 64bit vista is a tad more secure in program execution |
| 20:09.20 | Bela|afk | for one |
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| 20:09.33 | Bela|afk | and it seems a lot more robust imho performance-wise |
| 20:09.34 | nevcairiel | A trojan most likely cannot inject itself as a system service on a 64bit OS due to the security model |
| 20:09.46 | Zyuu | that's good |
| 20:09.53 | Zyuu | but what's this I hear that Firefox doesn't work? |
| 20:09.59 | Zyuu | I don't like IE heh |
| 20:09.59 | Bela|afk | really? |
| 20:10.07 | Zyuu | I dunno, friend said that a few months ago. |
| 20:10.08 | Bela|afk | thats weird, cause I have it open right now |
| 20:10.11 | Zyuu | Maybe she's just stupid :p |
| 20:10.12 | Bela|afk | lol |
| 20:10.22 | Zyuu | Ok good to know |
| 20:10.25 | Bela|afk | it can run 32bit code |
| 20:10.29 | Bela|afk | no problem |
| 20:10.37 | Bela|afk | it even has both for ie |
| 20:10.38 | Zyuu | No extra switch? |
| 20:10.42 | Bela|afk | 32bit and 64bit |
| 20:10.49 | nevcairiel | Nah the emulation works on the fly |
| 20:10.54 | Bela|afk | yup |
| 20:10.59 | Zyuu | alright |
| 20:11.05 | nevcairiel | thats the good thing about the x86-64 architecture |
| 20:11.12 | Bela|afk | lots smoother than xp64 was |
| 20:11.17 | Bela|afk | when they came out with that |
| 20:11.28 | nevcairiel | i dont have any issues with my xp64 though |
| 20:11.31 | Bela|afk | not NOW |
| 20:11.38 | Bela|afk | it was horrible when they came out with it |
| 20:11.47 | Bela|afk | Vista x64 benefitted from those mistakes |
| 20:11.48 | Zyuu | gotta afk for a bit |
| 20:11.49 | nevcairiel | oh yeah probably, i didnt switch right away =P |
| 20:12.17 | Bela|afk | ok back soon =D |
| 20:13.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Bah, I get off the phone and they poof. |
| 20:13.29 | nevcairiel | lol |
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| 20:16.48 | AbsoRayne | O_o |
| 20:21.38 | Zyuu | poof |
| 20:21.48 | Zyuu | bah afk again :( |
| 20:21.55 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 20:30.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Haha |
| 20:31.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Two blue posts in the mage forum |
| 20:31.09 | ScytheBlade1 | One is an OLD Tseric necro |
| 20:31.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Another is an equally old "moved from tech support" necro |
| 20:31.52 | ScytheBlade1 | I got my hopes up :( |
| 20:32.47 | kd3 | geez... '06 |
| 20:33.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah |
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| 21:11.59 | Zyuu- | nice my firewall decided my irc app was bad and blocked it :P |
| 21:12.18 | Shirik | dcc send? |
| 21:13.11 | NightHawkAtWork | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.59 | ScytheBlade1 | STARTKEYLOGGER |
| 21:14.01 | zenzelezz | hehe |
| 21:14.02 | ScytheBlade1 | ... boo |
| 21:14.44 | zenzelezz | try the eicar test string or whatever it's called |
| 21:14.46 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkAtWork: lol |
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| 21:21.28 | Syzgyn | Nice picture |
| 21:22.56 | zenzelezz | I finally took the time to find out why my VLC kept crashing "randomly"... some sort of funky conflict between the playlist window in non.skinned mode and wxWidgets o_O |
| 21:23.23 | AbsoRayne | Yay for Paid Name Changes \o/ |
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| 21:27.30 | Lunessa | AbsoRayne The new layout looks kind of nice. |
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| 21:35.09 | cladhaire | Kody-: http://www.curse.com/downloads/details/12279/ |
| 21:35.13 | cladhaire | at least this one was polite |
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| 21:37.21 | ArrowmasterClass | cladhaire: rofl |
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| 21:43.38 | Josh_Borke | cladhaire: so were you! o.O |
| 21:43.59 | Lunessa | cladhaire: Very gentlemanly of you. |
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| 21:56.00 | ckknight | cladhaire: http://www.curse.com/downloads/details/12279/ |
| 21:56.17 | cladhaire | thanks |
| 21:56.45 | ckknight | yea, np |
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| 21:57.45 | TheZanke | Is it possible to bind a key to loot your target? |
| 21:58.14 | TheZanke | like.. through a /script macro or something? |
| 21:58.17 | kd3 | not really. you can rebind TURNORACTION to a key, but it'll only work if the mouse cursor's over the target you want to interact with |
| 21:59.19 | TheZanke | thatd work if i could make something that would put the cursor over my target |
| 21:59.27 | ArrowmasterClass | you cant |
| 21:59.32 | TheZanke | @#!3 |
| 21:59.44 | ArrowmasterClass | and if you could it would be considered botting |
| 22:00.24 | TheZanke | I am multiboxing and switching to my laptop to loot is horrible.. but i have things that skins party1target's corpse and accepts invite/trades/rezs/deaths/etc |
| 22:00.31 | TheZanke | just looting is all thats stopping me |
| 22:01.09 | ArrowmasterClass | why are you having to switch to loot? |
| 22:01.24 | kd3 | have the second char opt out of loot |
| 22:01.29 | kd3 | assuming you're in a group |
| 22:01.43 | kd3 | then just loot from the controlling char |
| 22:01.51 | Josh_Borke | TheZanke: FFA is your friend |
| 22:01.55 | Josh_Borke | along with autoloot |
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| 22:08.56 | Duman | heh |
| 22:09.13 | Duman | I was gonna say, just /ffa |
| 22:09.24 | Duman | quest items will still need to be manually looted by both, tho |
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| 22:15.00 | Shirik | I keep being told there' a +50 spirit to weapon enchant |
| 22:15.03 | Shirik | anyone heard of this? |
| 22:16.06 | kd3 | only I've seen is +20 |
| 22:16.49 | Polarina | I've seen +3 |
| 22:16.56 | cladhaire | *forehead* |
| 22:17.01 | Lopeppeppy | I see +20 as the max on Thotbott. http://thottbot.com/?s=enchant+spirit |
| 22:17.24 | Lopeppeppy | cladhaire, don't torture yourself, darling. |
| 22:18.11 | [dRaCo] | http://wowhead.com/?items=9.8&filter=cr=24;crs=1;crv=0 |
| 22:18.16 | [dRaCo] | wowhead > thottbot :P |
| 22:18.29 | [dRaCo] | +20 is the max there, too, though |
| 22:18.31 | Lopeppeppy | Meh. Potato, potahto. |
| 22:18.44 | Shirik | so 20 |
| 22:18.50 | Shirik | ptahto? |
| 22:20.26 | TheZanke | ArrowmasterClass, kd3, Josh_Borke, Duman: Quest Items |
| 22:20.34 | Shirik | ow |
| 22:20.37 | Shirik | 40g for a primal water |
| 22:20.39 | Shirik | and I need 8 |
| 22:21.04 | foxlit | healer enchants are evil that wya |
| 22:24.10 | Esamynn | foxlit: Fishing for Motes of Water FTW! |
| 22:24.15 | Esamynn | oh wait |
| 22:24.17 | Esamynn | sorry foxlit |
| 22:24.27 | Esamynn | Shirik: Fishing for Motes of Water FTW! |
| 22:27.20 | foxlit | youtube's buble navigation for videos is pretty awesome |
| 22:29.35 | MentalPower | cladhaire: ping! |
| 22:29.40 | cladhaire | pong |
| 22:30.03 | MentalPower | is your pp() function implemented in Lua? |
| 22:30.08 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 22:30.14 | MentalPower | giv? |
| 22:30.16 | cladhaire | its cides, he took it from somewhere |
| 22:30.17 | cladhaire | yep |
| 22:30.18 | cladhaire | hold on |
| 22:30.36 | MentalPower | I can make one myself, but yours is already written :) |
| 22:30.49 | MentalPower | (and battle-hardened) |
| 22:31.28 | cladhaire | http://wowi.pastey.net/85931 |
| 22:31.30 | cladhaire | or so |
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| 22:39.03 | ScytheBlade1 | I should really join -commits. Reading some of the wowace ones make me laugh. |
| 22:41.19 | Syzgyn | oh? |
| 22:41.35 | Syzgyn | examples! |
| 22:42.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Omen: fix AOE tank mode to actually do something useful |
| 22:42.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Don't tell anyone, but I must have been quite drunk or tired when I |
| 22:42.01 | ScytheBlade1 | wrote the original version of this code. |
| 22:42.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Err |
| 22:42.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Didn't meant to include that first line :( |
| 22:42.23 | Antiarc | That was charon :P |
| 22:42.25 | Lukian | yeah there's some awesome ones :D |
| 22:42.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh hey |
| 22:42.31 | ScytheBlade1 | So it was! |
| 22:42.38 | Antiarc | And it was a branch |
| 22:42.42 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm playing with kdesvn, still looking through all of the details |
| 22:42.55 | ScytheBlade1 | It shows the change against the trunk? |
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| 22:54.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm, I can't add red to my gmotd anymore. I used the exact same string with :AddMessage() and it displayed as intended. |
| 22:54.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Did they 'fix' it? :( |
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| 22:55.44 | Antiarc | yes |
| 22:56.13 | ScytheBlade1 | :( |
| 22:56.23 | ScytheBlade1 | I needed to yell at the guild collectively to update Omen |
| 22:56.25 | ScytheBlade1 | No more :( |
| 22:56.39 | Antiarc | well, I'll have a paladin healing fix committed in a sec |
| 22:56.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Ohhh crap |
| 22:56.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Update fast haha |
| 22:57.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm, 15m rebuild time on the repo |
| 22:57.58 | Hjalte | the odds are bad |
| 22:58.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Eh we've got two hours before the raid |
| 23:01.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: so the prot pally GM/MT/raid lead asks: any known issues with prot pally tanking threat? (Likewise, anything that I could look for in that regard?) |
| 23:01.52 | Antiarc | No known issues, but there are reports of anomolies. |
| 23:02.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm k, I'll watch it carefully and ask him to gather what he can |
| 23:07.00 | Antiarc | argh, sunnovabitch. |
| 23:07.06 | Shirik | so close.... |
| 23:07.07 | Antiarc | Tricksy paladins. |
| 23:07.09 | Shirik | 1976 +healing |
| 23:07.26 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 23:07.50 | Antiarc | So, a paladin casts Holy Light, which is spell ID 27136 (which is what's in the spellbook), but when the heal lands, it's spell ID 35223 |
| 23:08.01 | ScytheBlade1 | .... |
| 23:08.04 | ScytheBlade1 | What? |
| 23:08.07 | Antiarc | Ayup. |
| 23:08.09 | NightHawkAtWork | what? |
| 23:08.19 | Antiarc | 4/7 19:59:03.470 SPELL_CAST_START,0x00000000001C88A8,"Argat",0x514,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,27136,"Holy Light",0x2 |
| 23:08.24 | ScytheBlade1 | That... doesn't seem... remotely right.. |
| 23:08.25 | Antiarc | 4/7 19:59:05.970 SPELL_HEAL,0x00000000001C88A8,"Argat",0x514,0x00000000001C88B8,"Edagh",0x514,35223,"Holy Light",0x2,7964,1 |
| 23:08.36 | Antiarc | I also just verified this in-game. |
| 23:08.38 | ScytheBlade1 | 0_o |
| 23:09.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Max rank? |
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| 23:09.19 | Antiarc | All ranks. |
| 23:09.25 | Drundia | all paladin heals are like that |
| 23:09.28 | Antiarc | Each rank's heal is a different ID from the cast. |
| 23:09.33 | Drundia | check thott there are copies of all their heals |
| 23:09.37 | Antiarc | Flash of Light and Seal of Light behave this way too |
| 23:09.40 | Antiarc | Lay on Hands doesn't |
| 23:09.43 | NightHawkAtWork | thats... crazy. |
| 23:09.46 | Drundia | blizzard failed again |
| 23:09.49 | ScytheBlade1 | That is weird to say the least |
| 23:09.51 | Antiarc | Drundia: Do you know why it works that way? |
| 23:09.55 | Antiarc | Priests don't. |
| 23:10.02 | Shirik | --> toBin(n) local s = ""; while n > 0 do s = tostring(n % 2) .. s; n = math.floor(n / 2); end return s; return toBin(27136), toBin(35223); |
| 23:10.02 | batbot | Shirik: @ [string " toBin(n) local s = ""; while n > 0 do s = tostring(n % 2) .. s..."]:1: '<eof>' expected near 'return' |
| 23:10.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Druids don't |
| 23:10.10 | Drundia | because they made extra copies for all those damn spells for some reason |
| 23:10.14 | Shirik | --> toBin(n) local s = ""; while n > 0 do s = tostring(n % 2) .. s; n = math.floor(n / 2); end return s; end return toBin(27136), toBin(35223); |
| 23:10.14 | batbot | Shirik: @ [string " toBin(n) local s = ""; while n > 0 do s = tostring(n % 2) .. s..."]:1: '<eof>' expected near 'end' |
| 23:10.19 | Cide | they're not copies |
| 23:10.31 | Shirik | --> function toBin(n) local s = ""; while n > 0 do s = tostring(n % 2) .. s; n = math.floor(n / 2); end return s; end return toBin(27136), toBin(35223); |
| 23:10.32 | batbot | Shirik: > 110101000000000, 1000100110010111 |
| 23:11.01 | Shirik | yeah I have no explanation for that |
| 23:11.24 | Antiarc | Both spell IDs in decimal are valid, as confirmed by wowhead |
| 23:12.08 | Cide | probably server-side stuff |
| 23:12.23 | Cide | not sure for what purpose though |
| 23:12.32 | Antiarc | I'm just confused why their heals would behave that way, and not other classes' |
| 23:12.51 | kd3 | oh wow... hahaha... a GM got rickrolled. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5973988703&sid=1 |
| 23:12.54 | kd3 | epic screenshot is epic |
| 23:13.26 | Lopeppeppy | Peppy-question: I'm making a tanking macro such as "Pulling %t". Is there a way to make that macro be something like "Pulling %t, Skull Target"... As in, the macro to check for the symbol? I assume not. |
| 23:14.17 | Antiarc | You could, sure |
| 23:14.26 | Antiarc | I'm not sure you can fit it in a macro though |
| 23:15.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah you could |
| 23:15.31 | Lopeppeppy | Ah... I'd be interested to learn how it would be done, it helps when pulling my own mob out of a pack, just to confirm to my raid nooblets that I DO have the triangle, kthx. |
| 23:15.37 | ScytheBlade1 | You get to reference _G to get the names out it though |
| 23:15.51 | ScytheBlade1 | The API call to get the target icon returns a number, not a string |
| 23:16.04 | Lopeppeppy | Yeeep. That does sound like it's getting long. |
| 23:16.15 | ScytheBlade1 | It fits easily, in all truth |
| 23:16.50 | NightHawkAtWork | you could avoid using the string by using icons with {rtN}, yeah? |
| 23:17.03 | ScytheBlade1 | ... you could! |
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| 23:17.40 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah... that's why I asked here, because macro = greek to me beyond "Pulling %t, get out of my way!" |
| 23:18.19 | NightHawkAtWork | seems like it'd be just a couple calls to SendChatMessage and whatever the method is to get the raid icon index from a unitid. |
| 23:19.05 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:19.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Though if you don't have a target, things get messy |
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| 23:19.27 | ScytheBlade1 | And if it doesn't have a target icon |
| 23:20.35 | Lopeppeppy | OKay... well, it's worth a shot, and I do owe you a cookie or twelve, ScytheBlade1. *hug* |
| 23:21.08 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 23:21.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Thanks :) |
| 23:21.29 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll write a decent one that will probably work in a minute or two |
| 23:23.34 | Lopeppeppy | I'm happy to test anything you drop my way, this whole group tanking thing is new for my baby drooood. |
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| 23:32.39 | Shirik | anyone here use CasterWeaponSwap? |
| 23:33.22 | NightHawkAtWork | no, although a few in my guild do. I've been meaning to give it a try |
| 23:33.33 | bleeter | anyone wanna kill a few million braincells? >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPv8PPl7ANU&fmt=18 |
| 23:34.01 | bleeter | I'm surprised I've been left with the power of forming whole words and sentences after watching that |
| 23:34.11 | bleeter | may be considered NSFW |
| 23:36.57 | bleeter | this one's quite SFW tho http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5973988703&sid=1 |
| 23:37.22 | _rane | i tried casterweaponswap |
| 23:37.50 | _rane | but found it to be crap |
| 23:38.03 | _rane | i just switch manually now |
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| 23:39.50 | Lunessa | bleeter ... I think I hate you for sharing that. |
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| 23:40.30 | bleeter | Lunessa: blame my brother |
| 23:41.45 | Lunessa | Rick Rolling a GM... bad - lawl |
| 23:44.56 | Shirik | _rane: Problem with that is switching at the right time to avoid GCD |
| 23:46.01 | bleeter | Lunessa: did you notice the toon name, though |
| 23:46.04 | bleeter | Lunessa: 'Rastley' |
| 23:46.15 | Lunessa | yes. It was well crafted. |
| 23:46.39 | _rane | Shirik: i have no problem with that because i do it at arena |
| 23:46.57 | WobWork | link? |
| 23:49.40 | foxlit | bleeter: awesome! |
| 23:49.47 | foxlit | the first link, even |
| 23:49.59 | bleeter | the Vista SP1 promo video?? |
| 23:50.02 | bleeter | awesome?? |
| 23:50.09 | foxlit | Yes! |
| 23:50.09 | bleeter | someone ban foxlit from this # NOW!!!! |
| 23:50.12 | bleeter | :P |
| 23:51.17 | Lunessa | Anyone else having trouble logging into the WoW forums? |
| 23:52.18 | foxlit | "... and if they're not sold yet, Di-ag-nost-ic and Rec-overy tool-set" |
| 23:52.35 | foxlit | "When they see the improvements in secrity, the desktop and mobility, and productivity..." |
| 23:52.57 | foxlit | Catchy! |
| 23:53.31 | bleeter | Lunessa: I believe the auth servers are having issues atm |
| 23:53.36 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, authentication seems to be taking a dive. |
| 23:53.41 | bleeter | Lunessa: a thread appeared in CSF in the past minute or three about it |
| 23:53.53 | Lunessa | thanks |
| 23:54.04 | foxlit | (not that it adds any desire to buy vista, but that's awesome lyrics) |
| 23:54.18 | Lunessa | .. back to crashing XP by installing VPN clients while on a network... |
| 23:54.36 | bleeter | foxlit: true, I do have to hand it to the composer/lyricist for rhyming some pretty cute stuff |
| 23:54.47 | bleeter | but beyond that, it's vomitous |
| 23:54.58 | NightHawkAtWork | heh, vistarolling.. http://twitter.com/KuraFire/statuses/790832506 |
| 23:55.09 | foxlit | bleeter: that's part of the reason it's awesome |
| 23:56.01 | bleeter | forums collapsing, must be 'coz everyone's getting auth errors hehe |
| 23:57.01 | foxlit | Oh, and youtube comments <3 |
| 23:57.17 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet fun, Lunessa-dear. |
| 23:58.41 | foxlit | "Microsoft Quota Records" |
| 23:59.03 | foxlit | qq, want more, but there's only one video by that bot :( |
| 23:59.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: 70422.1.zip? Or will it be .2? |
