| 00:00.08 | Keias | What's this about cookies? |
| 00:00.17 | Lopeppeppy | Where does the comma go in that sentence, Lunessa? :P |
| 00:00.32 | Lopeppeppy | NightHawkAtWork, it's the butter/sugar cookie dough I'm not fond of. If it ain't double dutch chocolate chip, I'm not baking it! |
| 00:00.58 | NightHawkAtWork | ... Hmm.. well, that might prove difficult to get contrasting colors with that kind of dough. |
| 00:01.04 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: ... you have a twisted, deviant mind. I knew there was something I liked about you. |
| 00:01.16 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, you don't know the half of it, darlin'. |
| 00:01.23 | Lunessa | ... |
| 00:03.06 | Lunessa | So, tonight when I get home, I think I'm 'upgrading' my Vista box to XP. |
| 00:03.21 | Lopeppeppy | I will throw you an upgrade party, Lunessa. |
| 00:06.39 | Kirov | You guys see that Windows 7 has been pushed to end of this year? |
| 00:07.23 | Kirov | At least to a working version, likely nothing usable by the average person |
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| 00:07.37 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah.. "working as intended" |
| 00:08.02 | |Jelly| | So I finally get some time to play. Make a UI and everything. EVEN SIGNED UP FOR A RAID ... and now apparently my motherboard wants to die. |
| 00:08.12 | Lopeppeppy | Noooo! *hugs Jelly* |
| 00:08.14 | Lunessa | Bah. I want to like Vista. I really do. But the Windows Installer service will not properly install. Period. |
| 00:08.27 | End | Lunessa: it hates you! |
| 00:08.32 | Lunessa | Noooo... |Jelly| that sucks. |
| 00:08.39 | |Jelly| | Lunessa smells anyway! :P |
| 00:09.00 | Lunessa | Yeah, of Aqua Velva and cheap whiskey! |
| 00:09.03 | |Jelly| | ...and not like sunshine and lollipops like he tells people! kek <3 |
| 00:09.07 | End | |Jelly|: it hates you too |
| 00:09.25 | |Jelly| | How so? Vista is installed on my computer. :P |
| 00:09.26 | End | you know what, people's computers are just rising against them |
| 00:09.35 | End | I meant your motherboard :P |
| 00:09.42 | |Jelly| | Well, yeah. |
| 00:09.45 | |Jelly| | I can see that. |
| 00:09.48 | |Jelly| | It's plotting against me. |
| 00:09.51 | |Jelly| | Bastard. |
| 00:09.51 | End | yes, it is |
| 00:13.19 | Kirov | My first run of Magister's Terrace was on my badly geared alt. Me and only slightly better geared girlfriend got a group with an exceptionally geared paladin and hunter and their molten core geared lvl 70 warrior friend. |
| 00:13.50 | Kirov | We got through the first 3 pulls of the instance with intermitent help from the warrior, who's computer fried itself after the fourth crash. |
| 00:14.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | hahahahaha |
| 00:14.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://gizmodo.com/378314/a-fleshlight-turned-into-an-input-device-lets-you-control-your-computer-by-fucking-it [nsfw] |
| 00:14.48 | WobWork | That linktext tells me everything I need to know =P |
| 00:14.52 | Kirov | Mr_Rabies2 - I saw that, so tempted to send it to the spam group, but I would so so get in trouble for that. |
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| 00:24.18 | Nechckn | there ya go |
| 00:28.03 | todd` | I'm just getting into lua, and I was wondering if someone could explain the difference between running code in PLAYER_LOGIN, and running it in the main file (outside of any event) |
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| 00:28.14 | todd` | I can't seem to find any documentation on the matter |
| 00:29.01 | Lunessa | what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 00:29.46 | todd` | well, I have a few addons I've written for simple things like modifying the look of the minimap, world map, a little stats display |
| 00:30.17 | NightHawkAtWork | I believe the difference beeing that the body of an addon's lua files get executed during ADDONS_LOADED or some similar event? |
| 00:30.23 | NightHawkAtWork | I could be wrong, though. |
| 00:32.08 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 00:32.19 | ScytheBlade1 | News of Wrath being NDA'd alpha is now on slashdow |
| 00:32.35 | kd3 | lol at wowinsider making /.? |
| 00:32.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Assuming that is true, that's one of their biggest leaks in a long time |
| 00:32.46 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: yeah |
| 00:34.48 | Lunessa | todd`: http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_that_fire_during_the_loading_process "4. PLAYER_LOGIN ... *All Sizing and Positioning of frames is supposed to be completed before this event fires. |
| 00:38.02 | kd3 | anyone know what the HTML entity for a capital delta is? δ is lowercase |
| 00:39.54 | WobWork | Δ ? |
| 00:40.00 | NightHawkAtWork | yeah, a cursory google search turned that up |
| 00:40.05 | NightHawkAtWork | but thats not really a nice html entity |
| 00:40.33 | WobWork | well... kd didn't ask for a -nice- one |
| 00:40.39 | NightHawkAtWork | an equaly cursory google search turned up Δ |
| 00:40.43 | NightHawkAtWork | ~kd3-- |
| 00:41.11 | kd3 | wtf. that actually worked |
| 00:41.32 | WobWork | hehe |
| 00:41.42 | WobWork | it's like goodphptutorials.com |
| 00:41.46 | NightHawkAtWork | hehe |
| 00:41.48 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
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| 00:44.17 | |Jelly| | ~cry |
| 00:44.18 | purl | ACTION cries and sobs until she nearly drowns in her own tears. |
| 00:44.39 | ScytheBlade1 | purl IS FEMALE |
| 00:44.40 | purl | ACTION confuses all the nearby males |
| 00:44.40 | ScytheBlade1 | HA |
| 00:45.29 | NightHawkAtWork | hmm |
| 00:45.31 | NightHawkAtWork | ~gender |
| 00:45.32 | purl | I'm male |
| 00:45.41 | WobWork | ~gender |
| 00:45.42 | purl | I'm male |
| 00:45.48 | ScytheBlade1 | ~factinfo gender |
| 00:45.48 | purl | gender -- last modified at Fri Jan 2 16:13:13 2004 by greycat!~wooledg@192.35.79.70; it has been requested 463 times, last by WobWork, 6s ago; it has been locked by TimRiker. |
| 00:45.48 | WobWork | pft lies |
| 00:45.56 | WobWork | hehe locked |
| 00:45.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh bah |
| 00:46.00 | ScytheBlade1 | :( |
| 00:46.15 | NightHawkAtWork | ~literal gender |
| 00:46.16 | purl | "gender" is "<reply> I'm (gay|lesbian|female|sexless|male|hermaphroditic|pregnant|not sure)" |
| 00:46.22 | WobWork | hah =P |
| 00:46.23 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 00:46.31 | NightHawkAtWork | heh.. "pregnant" |
| 00:46.34 | WobWork | ~gender |
| 00:46.34 | purl | I'm sexless |
| 00:49.30 | |Jelly| | ~gender |
| 00:49.31 | purl | I'm gay |
| 00:51.51 | AnduinLothar | Our smith came up just now |
| 00:51.59 | AnduinLothar | there's hundreds of people standing near him |
| 00:52.17 | AnduinLothar | GM's are vissible and casting a light on the smith and 'actioning' anyone in the light |
| 00:52.28 | NightHawkAtWork | http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,337173,00.html |
| 00:52.58 | AnduinLothar | the gm's are floating in the air over the smith |
| 00:53.22 | AnduinLothar | and.... the server crashed |
| 00:53.49 | kd3 | lol |
| 00:54.24 | NightHawkAtWork | ours came up sometime today, i'm hopping the excitement has died down by the time i get home |
| 00:54.25 | kd3 | why, why didn't they just implement vendors with collision, like how they did the arena? |
| 00:54.40 | NightHawkAtWork | kd3: or stick them on pedastles... |
| 00:54.44 | AnduinLothar | that wouldn't have prevented the crash |
| 00:54.58 | kd3 | no, of course not. but people would've at least been able to see her |
| 00:54.59 | NightHawkAtWork | i mauled that word, too. |
| 00:56.48 | AnduinLothar | server's back |
| 00:56.53 | AnduinLothar | item buying works again |
| 00:57.00 | AnduinLothar | funny watching people log in |
| 01:00.27 | Gnarfoz | AnduinLothar: nah, they're not actively doing anything, it seems they did the same as they did on Cenarion Circle US |
| 01:00.44 | Gnarfoz | AnduinLothar: they buffed the smith with http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=41349 :D |
| 01:00.54 | AnduinLothar | nice |
| 01:01.02 | Gnarfoz | (which also gives that light beam effect, as seen here: http://wow.tachyonsix.com/badgevendor.jpg ^^) |
| 01:01.28 | Gnarfoz | neat idea anyway, word must have made the rounds on that one :D |
| 01:03.39 | Dissonance | What's wrong with: <OnEvent> GKOS.OnEvent(event, arg1, arg2, arg3, arg4) </OnEvent> |
| 01:04.01 | Dissonance | Is that a bad way to check for events? |
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| 01:08.01 | batrick | zzz |
| 01:08.03 | NightHawkAtWork | in case you havn't seen it.. this is really neat. http://www.bubblebox.com/play/puzzle/975.htm |
| 01:10.09 | enum | question about savedvariables... Do I need to do something with VARIABLED_LOADED? My function to populate the variable is running fine, but when the world loads the variable is empty |
| 01:10.34 | enum | if I change the variable name to something that isn't in the TOC as a SV then it works perfect ( without all the saving ) |
| 01:13.25 | Dissonance | Again: Is there anything wrong with: <OnEvent> GKOS.OnEvent(event, arg1, arg2, arg3, arg4) </OnEvent> to pass arguments to my event functions? |
| 01:14.11 | Yssaril | what is the function to check if i can wear an item say if something is cloth i can wear it but if its plate it would return nil? |
| 01:14.57 | Lunessa | Dissonance: Are you hooking the event? |
| 01:15.19 | Yssaril | enum, the SV is not available till after the Variable_Loaded event so if you try to save anything to that before it wont register it and will get disgarded when the SV gets loaded |
| 01:15.33 | Dissonance | In the lua, yes. That's just the XML code to direct it to the lua. |
| 01:15.48 | Dissonance | function GKOS.OnEvent(event, a1, a2, a3, a4, a5, a6, a7) |
| 01:15.48 | Dissonance | GKOS.AddMessage("Event: " .. event); |
| 01:15.49 | Dissonance | GKOS.AddMessage("a1: " .. a1); |
| 01:17.05 | Lunessa | It /looks/ ok to me, but that's coding in a vacuum. Is it failing? |
| 01:17.21 | Dissonance | I'm getting concatenation errors on a1. It's nil. |
| 01:19.39 | Dissonance | I've got another addon successfully using the same code. Why would this one fail to pass arg1 (the second parameter) |
| 01:20.25 | WobWork | NightHawkTheSane: I have that game on my itouch |
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| 01:20.33 | WobWork | iPhysics is fantastic |
| 01:20.43 | ScytheBlade1 | What was the name of the supposed hunter "mortal shot"? |
| 01:20.45 | WobWork | except I can tip my itouch to the side to make things move around |
| 01:20.51 | WobWork | aimed shot? |
| 01:20.59 | Lunessa | Dissonance: I'm not sure. I think this might help - http://www.wowwiki.com/API_Frame_RegisterEvent |
| 01:21.03 | ScytheBlade1 | No, it was another ability. |
| 01:21.12 | ScytheBlade1 | I mean, aimed shot does it too |
| 01:21.14 | lagger | dissonace what events are you registering |
| 01:21.14 | WobWork | aimed shot applies a MS debuff... |
| 01:21.23 | ScytheBlade1 | But there was another one |
| 01:21.33 | WobWork | I still like Mortal Portal =P |
| 01:22.09 | Dissonance | this:RegisterEvent("CHAT_MSG_ADDON"); |
| 01:22.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Gah, I wish. |
| 01:22.26 | Dissonance | That's the only one I need. |
| 01:23.11 | lagger | are you sending a prefix |
| 01:23.44 | Dissonance | SendAddonMessage( "GKOS", "SomeText", "GUILD" ); |
| 01:24.23 | lagger | paste your code? |
| 01:24.41 | Dissonance | That is my code. |
| 01:25.00 | lagger | all your addon code |
| 01:25.05 | Dissonance | It's a little big. |
| 01:25.17 | Cairenn | Dissonance: which is why they are telling you to pastey it |
| 01:25.28 | Dissonance | Got it. |
| 01:26.11 | Dissonance | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/85497 -- just the lua file. |
| 01:27.01 | Yssaril | anyone know the function to check if an item is equipable by me? (if i cant equip that armor type/weapontype it should return false) |
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| 01:27.38 | Corrodias | i should, but don't |
| 01:28.01 | WobWork | IsEquippableItem ? |
| 01:28.53 | lagger | try puting a variable 'self' before event |
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| 01:29.13 | Dissonance | In which instance? |
| 01:29.59 | lagger | the function and in the onevent script |
| 01:30.30 | Dissonance | What would that accomplish? Event is returning the right value, so moving it would just make self return what event returns now? |
| 01:30.38 | Dissonance | and then event would be nil |
| 01:32.53 | Atriace | Would it be difficult to tell your toon to use standard swing attack when button X is clicked, or is that protected? |
| 01:33.13 | Atriace | I'd like to get away with not having to address securestateheaders |
| 01:33.25 | lagger | dissonance: does it do nil everytime you do sendchatmessage? |
| 01:33.37 | lagger | i mean sendaddonmessage |
| 01:33.40 | Dissonance | Yes, it's always nil. |
| 01:35.23 | Dissonance | My frame is named "GKOSFrame", so I don't know if that has any bearing on this issue. |
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| 01:38.57 | lagger | it looks fine to me, the only reason itd be nil is if the 2nd argument of sendaddonmessage is nil |
| 01:39.01 | lagger | dunno |
| 01:40.37 | lagger | you should do a check to see if the prefix equals your prefix |
| 01:41.21 | Dissonance | i'm checking it as soon as the event fires. |
| 01:41.23 | Dissonance | It's nil. |
| 01:41.37 | Dissonance | the event isn't getting passed, I guess. |
| 01:42.20 | lagger | put the addmessage lines inside the if statement for chat_msg_addon |
| 01:42.54 | lagger | and make a check for your prefix |
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| 01:43.26 | lagger | maybe some other addon is doing sendaddonmessage with a nil prefix |
| 01:44.21 | lagger | you know in your slash function you could just do GKOSConfig.channel = var1 and get rid of all the if statements |
| 01:44.52 | Dissonance | I used /dump GKOS.SecretSend("GKOS", "SomeText", "GUILD"); to call the function. |
| 01:45.36 | Dissonance | it sends nil out, but both pc's I'm testing recieved the nil error. (Both are using identical addon versions, and logged on simultaneously.) |
| 01:46.18 | Dissonance | And also, the var1 might not always contain numbers. It's a guild KOS list (As you've guessed, I'm sure) and /GKOS <name> is how you add people to the KOS list. |
| 01:47.08 | lagger | you did a check for number already |
| 01:47.12 | lagger | the if statements are pretty redundant |
| 01:47.39 | Dezzimal | Is there a way to force a time split in recount? |
| 01:48.05 | Dissonance | good point, but what if they specify a numeric that isn't within the chatframe range. (1-7) ? |
| 01:48.26 | Dissonance | I suppose I could rework the if-statements to work with that range, but it works now. |
| 01:48.36 | lagger | just do |
| 01:48.40 | Dissonance | Plus, if I can't get it to work at all, it's pretty useless to me. =P |
| 01:48.41 | lagger | tonumber(var1) |
| 01:49.14 | Dissonance | if (var1 > 0 && var1 < 8) then |
| 01:49.32 | lagger | yeah |
| 01:49.44 | Dissonance | I suppose I could shorten it a bit. Make it easier on the eyes. |
| 01:49.45 | lagger | store the tonumber(var1) in a local |
| 01:49.51 | lagger | and check to see if its not nil |
| 01:50.15 | lagger | if the string is unconvertable itll return nil |
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| 01:50.44 | athos | hey all...anyone here have xp with discord unit frames? |
| 01:50.56 | lagger | did you put the AddMessage inside the if statement |
| 01:51.13 | lagger | also you should check if arg3 == "GUILD" |
| 01:51.19 | Dissonance | if (var1 != nil) then |
| 01:51.19 | Dissonance | GKOSConfig.channel = "1"; |
| 01:51.19 | Dissonance | end |
| 01:51.24 | Dissonance | Whoa, tabs. |
| 01:51.49 | lagger | you do ~= |
| 01:52.07 | Dissonance | For "not equals" ? |
| 01:52.13 | lagger | yeah |
| 01:52.20 | lagger | u can just do a boolean check like |
| 01:52.53 | lagger | local var1 = tonumber(var1); if (var1 and var1 > 0 and var1 < 8) then ... |
| 01:53.16 | Dissonance | Nice. |
| 01:53.44 | lagger | then inside u can do |
| 01:53.50 | lagger | GKosConfig.channel = tostring(var1) |
| 01:54.13 | Dissonance | Got it. |
| 01:54.41 | Dissonance | if (var1 and var1 > 0 and var1 < 8) then GKOSConfig.channel = var1; end |
| 01:54.59 | lagger | sure |
| 01:55.17 | Dissonance | Why should I tostring(var1)? |
| 01:55.30 | lagger | actually it doesnt matter |
| 01:55.31 | Lunessa | discord is dead - unless you're planning to re-write it, ... |
| 01:55.45 | lagger | itll convert it to a string when u concatenate it |
| 01:56.07 | lagger | you said you do /dump GKOS.SecretSend("GKOS", "SomeText", "GUILD"); to call the function. |
| 01:56.15 | Dissonance | Yea, I use devtools. |
| 01:56.27 | lagger | your GKOS.SecretSend only takes 1 argument |
| 01:56.34 | lagger | but that shouldnt matter |
| 01:56.52 | Dissonance | actually, I called the sendAddonMessage, that was a mistake in my typing. |
| 01:58.08 | lagger | k try this |
| 01:58.09 | lagger | if (event == "CHAT_MSG_ADDON" and a3 = "GUILD" and a1) then GKOS.AddMessage("Event: " .. event); GKOS.AddMessage("a1: " .. a1); end |
| 01:58.26 | lagger | should be a3 == "GUILD" |
| 01:58.43 | lagger | take out the addmessages at the beginnign |
| 01:59.36 | Dissonance | Done, let me see. |
| 02:02.47 | Dissonance | It's not even firing now. |
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| 02:04.32 | Dissonance | I'm calling it with /script SendAddonMessage("GKOS", "SomeText", "GUILD"); and nothing happens, no errors, no events, nothing. |
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| 02:05.53 | Dissonance | Does SendAddonMessage return anything on fail? |
| 02:06.20 | lagger | ok maybe its not even passing in the values |
| 02:06.27 | lagger | this is how id change it |
| 02:06.38 | Dissonance | Wait, is it not recieving them from the event firing? |
| 02:06.44 | lagger | function GKOS.Onevent(self,event,...) ... end |
| 02:06.50 | lagger | then in your <OnEvent> </OnEvent> |
| 02:06.57 | lagger | GKos.OnEvent(self,event,...) |
| 02:07.00 | lagger | inside your function |
| 02:07.06 | lagger | local a1,a2,a3,a4 = ... |
| 02:07.20 | lagger | at the beginning |
| 02:07.58 | Shirik | hahaha |
| 02:08.00 | Shirik | I <3 my dps guys |
| 02:08.13 | Shirik | Come on, stop failing with aggro, Im already at 90% of Kiminas threat |
| 02:08.18 | Shirik | Wait, wtf, why is Kimina at the top! |
| 02:08.34 | Shirik | (healer) |
| 02:08.47 | Dissonance | Ok, so should it be: function GKOS.Onevent(self,event, a1, a2, a3, a4) |
| 02:09.03 | lagger | no |
| 02:09.10 | lagger | function GKOS.OnEvent(self,event,...) |
| 02:09.16 | Dissonance | What's the ... for? |
| 02:09.23 | Shirik | theres nothing wrong with a1, a2, a3, a4 |
| 02:09.24 | JoshBorke | Dissonance: variable arguments |
| 02:09.32 | Shirik | if thats how he wants to do it, so be it |
| 02:09.39 | Shirik | This is a horrible idea: (22:06:28) (lagger) local a1,a2,a3,a4 = ... |
| 02:09.42 | JoshBorke | quit with the wrong stuff |
| 02:09.46 | JoshBorke | ~failrik |
| 02:09.47 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 02:10.00 | Shirik | Its a lot faster not to use a vararg |
| 02:10.07 | Shirik | if youre only going to use those anyway |
| 02:10.40 | JoshBorke | http://www.wowwiki.com/Doing_Tricks_Without_Lua_Method_Notation |
| 02:10.48 | JoshBorke | that is a really easy way to do events |
| 02:11.06 | JoshBorke | hm, needs to be updated |
| 02:11.07 | JoshBorke | one second |
| 02:14.24 | JoshBorke | hate @ large OnEvent functions |
| 02:16.15 | JoshBorke | Dissonance: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/85501 |
| 02:16.22 | bleeter | for those who ain't sen this morning's comprehensive GM smackdown in CSF, I give you http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5784521764&sid=1 |
| 02:16.28 | bleeter | seen |
| 02:18.37 | JoshBorke | wow, he got bitch slapped |
| 02:19.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | wow. |
| 02:19.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's |
| 02:19.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | amazing. |
| 02:19.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | i wish i was that GM |
| 02:19.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's the real life equivalent of breaking down a witness in a phoenix wright game |
| 02:19.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | all at once |
| 02:20.12 | WobWork | OBJECTION! |
| 02:20.24 | WobWork | *chunq* |
| 02:20.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | THE WITNESS IS LYING! |
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| 02:22.15 | JoshBorke | wtb gantt chart of timeline |
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| 02:29.56 | batrick | ~failrik |
| 02:29.57 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 02:30.02 | Shirik | ? |
| 02:30.07 | batrick | just thought i'd chime in |
| 02:30.07 | Shirik | sec |
| 02:30.08 | Shirik | brb |
| 02:30.28 | Cairenn | woah! he sure smacked the OP down, didn't he? |
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| 02:32.11 | kd3 | one of the better wins from the forum GMs I've seen in some time |
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| 02:34.40 | mascondante | woo |
| 02:38.19 | bleeter | JoshBorke: no gannt chart, but there's this shortened timeline version http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5784521764&sid=1&pageNo=3#56 |
| 02:38.44 | JoshBorke | bleeter: yea, i saw the post :_D |
| 02:38.49 | JoshBorke | ~emulate Josh_Borke |
| 02:38.49 | purl | ACTION hugs Cairenn |
| 02:39.40 | Lunessa | bleeter: Thanks for posting. I do love to see a cheat get the beating he richly deserves. |
| 02:40.52 | bleeter | hmm, tbh it'd be 'nice' to see that thread/post referenced on places like WoWInsider and MMO-Champ, as a good example of (a) what not to ask a GM for (b) how to not ask for it (c) what GMs really can see when push comes to shove |
| 02:42.01 | ScytheBlade1 | that the "give me epic flying lulz" threaD? |
| 02:42.07 | ScytheBlade1 | *thread? |
| 02:42.09 | bleeter | yeah |
| 02:42.17 | ScytheBlade1 | It is a classy thread |
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| 02:44.26 | JoshBorke | nn |
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| 02:45.48 | Dissonance | Ok, I just got back. I read over the changes on the pastey. I don't understand these lines though: |
| 02:45.54 | Dissonance | 0function GKOS.OnEvent(event, ...) |
| 02:45.54 | Dissonance | 111GKOS.AddMessage("Event: " .. event); |
| 02:45.54 | Dissonance | 112local func = GKOS[event] |
| 02:45.54 | Dissonance | 113if func and type(func) == "function" then |
| 02:45.55 | Dissonance | 114func(...) |
| 02:45.55 | Dissonance | 115return |
| 02:45.57 | Dissonance | 116end |
| 02:47.04 | Kaso | what dont you understand about em? |
| 02:47.32 | Dissonance | Well, the onEvent gets called when an event fires. It calls the AddMessage function, printing out the event name. |
| 02:47.49 | Dissonance | Then it creates a function, called GKOS[event] ? Why? |
| 02:47.55 | kergoth | it doesnt create anything |
| 02:48.09 | Dissonance | *I see that now*, but still, what does it do? |
| 02:48.25 | kergoth | it calls a function in GKOS thats named the event. |
| 02:48.27 | kergoth | GKOS[event] |
| 02:48.28 | Kaso | GKOS is a table of functions already made, it selects the right one for whatever event has just happened |
| 02:48.31 | cogwheel | retrieves it from a table |
| 02:48.37 | kergoth | GKOS:CHAT_MSG_WHISPER() or whatever |
| 02:48.50 | Dissonance | That's actually really nifty. |
| 02:49.05 | kergoth | it's pretty common, a good way to do it |
| 02:49.18 | Dissonance | then it calls the function (if exists) and passes the variables? |
| 02:50.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Where is the pastey? |
| 02:50.33 | Dissonance | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/85501 IIRC |
| 02:51.57 | athos | when did discord die? I just d/l'd a copy for 2.4 I thought |
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| 02:52.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup, that's doing pretty much exactly what you're thinking |
| 02:52.47 | athos | well it was with mazzleui...but it says it was updated....anyhoo... |
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| 03:03.21 | Lunessa | Wow... didn't I say Discord had died like... 2 hours ago? |
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| 03:06.09 | Shirik | ok.... this is stupid |
| 03:06.14 | Shirik | ~thesarus engineer |
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| 03:06.22 | Shirik | hm, guess that doesnt work |
| 03:06.26 | Shirik | ~synonym engineer |
| 03:06.52 | cogwheel | ~falrik |
| 03:06.54 | ckknight | ~dict engineer |
| 03:07.10 | batrick | ~fail cogwheel |
| 03:07.11 | purl | cogwheel: FAIL! |
| 03:07.19 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:07.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Someone missed a letter |
| 03:07.26 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 03:07.26 | Shirik | dont want definition |
| 03:07.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Well played |
| 03:07.33 | Shirik | ~thesaurus engineer |
| 03:07.45 | Shirik | ok whatever |
| 03:07.46 | Shirik | anyway! |
| 03:07.47 | Shirik | http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/engineer |
| 03:07.59 | Shirik | 2nd choice: Bridge monkey |
| 03:07.59 | Shirik | wtf |
| 03:08.28 | batrick | lol |
| 03:08.30 | ScytheBlade1 | loool |
| 03:08.35 | cogwheel | uhhh |
| 03:08.38 | batrick | ~emulate shirik |
| 03:08.38 | purl | oh I'm an idiot |
| 03:08.43 | Shirik | ... |
| 03:08.46 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha |
| 03:08.49 | batrick | hmm how do i change that |
| 03:08.49 | Shirik | ~factinfo emulate shirik |
| 03:08.49 | purl | emulate shirik -- created by Josh_Borke <n=jk275@WoWUIDev/WoWInterface/LegoBlock/joshborke> at Wed Jan 23 21:30:31 2008 (78 days); it has been requested 2 times, last by batrick, 11s ago. |
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| 03:09.22 | Shirik | (23:08:32) - Join: mascondante_____ (i=JosephPr@75-106-164-202.cust.wildblue.net) (clones with: mascondante____) |
| 03:09.24 | Shirik | that is a lot of _ |
| 03:09.35 | cogwheel | pour it on mascondante*'s internet connection |
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| 03:09.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: temp ban please, that gets old |
| 03:10.03 | Shirik | seems its fixed now |
| 03:10.09 | Shirik | if it keeps up I will :P |
| 03:10.15 | Lunessa | I have a whiteboard in my office, directly behind me... I wrote [Fail] in purple marker on it. |
| 03:10.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Also |
| 03:10.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Can anyone verify or discredit this picturE? |
| 03:10.37 | ScytheBlade1 | *picture |
| 03:10.38 | ScytheBlade1 | http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa245/Fenam/wotlk.jpg |
| 03:10.58 | kd3 | I'd call that a phish |
| 03:11.09 | cogwheel | i agree... it looks ... well... shitty |
| 03:11.15 | kd3 | since when did blizz ever ask for your secret q answer? |
| 03:11.20 | batrick | ^ |
| 03:11.20 | cogwheel | the blizzcon beta was much more elabroate |
| 03:11.31 | Shirik | :< |
| 03:11.34 | ScytheBlade1 | For something like a supposed wrath beta? |
| 03:11.34 | Shirik | I only have 1 thing in my random |
| 03:11.35 | Cairenn | the very first line tells you it isn't legit |
| 03:11.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Haha |
| 03:11.46 | ScytheBlade1 | I missed that |
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| 03:11.53 | ScytheBlade1 | gg me |
| 03:11.55 | Cairenn | "Blizzard Entertainment IS SEEKING FOR ..." |
| 03:11.57 | cogwheel | ScytheBlade1: i think i would've preferred being rickrolled |
| 03:11.59 | Kaso | ScytheBlade1 horrible streched bg image |
| 03:12.03 | Kaso | clearly fake |
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| 03:12.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaso: they've actually done worse in the past |
| 03:12.22 | kd3 | still... what's the point of asking for your CD key? we already used it... |
| 03:12.25 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+b *!*@75-106-164-202.cust.wildblue.net] by Shirik |
| 03:12.26 | Shirik | way ahead of you |
| 03:12.27 | Lunessa | PHISING - it's not just for free AOL accounts anymore. |
| 03:12.33 | ScytheBlade1 | CS actually does that, in some cases |
| 03:12.39 | Cairenn | and they sure as fuck aren't going to be asking for your secret question answer and original cd key |
| 03:12.42 | ScytheBlade1 | I called to get my S Q&A back, they asked for my original CD key |
| 03:13.00 | Cairenn | where is this from? |
| 03:13.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, now that it is an established fake |
| 03:13.20 | ScytheBlade1 | This guy is about to have his account owned: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5784382389&sid=1#1 |
| 03:13.37 | ScytheBlade1 | (Or he's just a stupid troll, which is likely) |
| 03:14.05 | Shirik | timer5 1 3600 /mode #wowuidev -b *!*@75-106-164-202.cust.wildblue.net |
| 03:14.07 | Shirik | dododo |
| 03:14.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: you know you can set bans that expire on the server, right? |
| 03:14.35 | Shirik | >.> |
| 03:14.39 | Shirik | of course I did <.< |
| 03:14.43 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:14.53 | Shirik | But I bet you dont |
| 03:15.01 | Shirik | how do you do it, if you think you do? |
| 03:15.05 | Shirik | prove it to me |
| 03:15.20 | Cairenn | I didn't know that - how do you do it? |
| 03:15.31 | ScytheBlade1 | That seems to be a feature of another network I'm on, and not here |
| 03:15.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Disregard! |
| 03:15.43 | ScytheBlade1 | (0/2 in the past 5 minutes :() |
| 03:15.46 | Shirik | see, it was a trick question |
| 03:15.56 | Shirik | I played along with him |
| 03:16.07 | ScytheBlade1 | ~emulate shirik |
| 03:16.08 | purl | oh I'm an idiot |
| 03:16.11 | Shirik | or that |
| 03:16.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Enough said. |
| 03:16.17 | Cairenn | lol |
| 03:16.53 | batrick | oya |
| 03:17.21 | Lunessa | The only people we hate more than the Romans are the People's Judean Front. |
| 03:17.37 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 03:18.41 | Dissonance | Whoa, I don't need semicolons at the end of my lines? |
| 03:18.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Dissonance: nope! |
| 03:19.06 | Cairenn | nope |
| 03:19.09 | ScytheBlade1 | if (a == b) then print("asdf") else print ("b") end |
| 03:19.12 | ScytheBlade1 | 100% valid |
| 03:19.19 | Cairenn | many coders put them there for readability |
| 03:19.24 | Cairenn | but they aren't required by lua |
| 03:19.27 | ScytheBlade1 | MentalPower: haha, so. Some time ago, I wrote a small mod that records GUIDs, remember it? |
| 03:19.31 | Dissonance | Hrm. Does it assume ; for \n ? |
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| 03:19.49 | ScytheBlade1 | MentalPower: well, I never turned it off. I now have a 152,378 line long GUIDWatcher.lua saved variable file. |
| 03:19.58 | Cairenn | hahahhaa |
| 03:20.09 | kd3 | o_O; |
| 03:20.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Dissonance: no - it actually doesn't matter at all |
| 03:20.28 | dylanm | ; forces the end of a block I'm pretty sure. |
| 03:20.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Dissonance: the one-liner I posted above? That's valid on one single line |
| 03:20.33 | dylanm | Which a line break does not. |
| 03:20.39 | Dissonance | What if I had print("text1")print("text2") |
| 03:20.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Semicolon or space |
| 03:20.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Either would work |
| 03:20.55 | ScytheBlade1 | (inbetween the two) |
| 03:21.07 | ckknight | Dissonance: no issue |
| 03:21.15 | ScytheBlade1 | ckknight: wait really? huh |
| 03:21.21 | ScytheBlade1 | lua> print("text1")print("text2") |
| 03:21.21 | lua_bot | ScytheBlade1: text1, text2 |
| 03:21.24 | ScytheBlade1 | haha check that out |
| 03:21.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Learn something new every day |
| 03:21.41 | ckknight | yea, lua's syntax isn't dependent on whitespace or semicolons, just on natural breaks, which whitespaces or semicolons can be |
| 03:21.53 | Cairenn | back to the "many put it for [human] readability" but not actually necessary |
| 03:21.56 | Dissonance | How do I utilize this lua bot? |
| 03:22.08 | dylanm | Just say anything starting with lua> |
| 03:22.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Dissonance: just like that. "lua>" followed by a lua string |
| 03:22.13 | pastamancer | lua> print"text1" print"text2 |
| 03:22.14 | lua_bot | pastamancer: luabot:1: unfinished string near '<eof>' |
| 03:22.20 | pastamancer | lua> print"text1" print"text2" |
| 03:22.21 | lua_bot | pastamancer: text1, text2 |
| 03:22.54 | Dissonance | lua>print("sometext"); |
| 03:22.55 | lua_bot | Dissonance: sometext |
| 03:23.01 | Dissonance | Hrm. Useful. |
| 03:23.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Dissonance: it doesn't know the WoW API (or it does and I'm about to be laughed at), but for a lot of the lua syntax and details, it is great to have around |
| 03:26.09 | Kaso | Who was testing using minimap clicks to target AOE spells the other day? what was the macro you use? |
| 03:26.16 | Dissonance | return is a keyword, does it expect a variable immediately after? or is return; valid? |
| 03:27.21 | ScytheBlade1 | lua function a() return end a() |
| 03:27.32 | ScytheBlade1 | lua> function a() return end a() |
| 03:27.32 | lua_bot | ScytheBlade1: No output |
| 03:27.37 | ScytheBlade1 | It didn't error! |
| 03:27.43 | ScytheBlade1 | lua> function a() return end print(a()) |
| 03:27.43 | lua_bot | ScytheBlade1: No output |
| 03:27.49 | Shirik | you can return nothing just like just about every other language I know |
| 03:27.55 | kd3 | lua> 42/3 |
| 03:27.55 | lua_bot | kd3: 14 |
| 03:28.13 | Dissonance | I didn't really think return was the best way to terminate a function call. vb.net uses exit. |
| 03:28.15 | Shirik | it is also important to realize that return; is not the same as return nil; |
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| 03:28.20 | Shirik | Yeah well vb is stupid too |
| 03:28.26 | Dissonance | Tell me about it. |
| 03:30.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Dissonance: shirik has a good point about the "return" vs. "return nil" vs. "return someVar" |
| 03:31.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Dissonance: generally you don't want to just simply "return" |
| 03:31.04 | ckknight | here's a fun thing to do with the luabot |
| 03:31.04 | ckknight | lua> local x = "lua> local x = %q; print(x:format(x))"; print(x:format(x)) |
| 03:31.04 | lua_bot | ckknight: lua> local x = "lua> local x = %q; print(x:format(x))"; print(x:format(x)) |
| 03:31.04 | Shirik | failure |
| 03:31.04 | ckknight | Shirik: how is that a failure? |
| 03:31.10 | Shirik | I assumed you wanted it to run infinitely |
| 03:31.13 | ckknight | no |
| 03:31.14 | ckknight | it's a quine. |
| 03:31.40 | Shirik | aye, and if it werent for the ckknight in the front, it would have run forever :) |
| 03:31.52 | ckknight | I wasn't going for that |
| 03:31.55 | ckknight | don't assume, it only makes you the fool. |
| 03:32.04 | Shirik | Im always the fool, kinda used to it |
| 03:32.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: probably a good thing you have a +o in self defense then, haha |
| 03:32.45 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 03:33.21 | Shirik | batrick: ping |
| 03:35.11 | Lunessa | Night all. |
| 03:36.25 | Shirik | any pthread-knowledgable people out there: Is there any POSIX-y equivalent to InterlockedIncrement/InterlockedDecrement? |
| 03:36.48 | Shirik | That is, an atomic operation to increment or decrement a variable that is not typically able to be done in such a form |
| 03:38.39 | kd3 | heh. they finally hotfixed the shattered sun pendants |
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| 03:47.02 | Dissonance | if I do function GKOS.CHAT_MSG_ADDON(...) can I access the parameters? |
| 03:49.10 | Hirsute | Hrmmm. If I open the AH window, close it, then issue /script AuctionFrame:SetAttribute("UIPanelLayout-enabled", nil), it keeps other windows from closing the AH window. If I then issue /script AuctionFrame:SetAttribute("UIPanelLayout-enabled", true), it restores normal behavior |
| 03:50.59 | Iriel | Dissonance: I can't figure out exactly what you're asking there |
| 03:51.07 | Hirsute | But if I log in, then without opening the AH window issue /script AuctionFrame_LoadUI() and /script AuctionFrame:SetAttribute("UIPanelLayout-defined", true), then /script AuctionFrame:SetAttribute("UIPanelLayout-enabled", false), I can't restore normal behave afterward without a UI reload or undefinint UIPanelLayout-defined |
| 03:51.17 | Hirsute | Iriel: I wasn't done yet, sorry for the long explanation |
| 03:51.30 | batrick | Shirik: pong |
| 03:52.05 | Hirsute | s/false/nil |
| 03:52.49 | Hirsute | Any ideas why? |
| 03:53.35 | Dissonance | function GKOS.CHAT_MSG_ADDON(...) |
| 03:53.52 | Dissonance | Can I access arg 1-4, as those are sort of required. |
| 03:53.58 | ckknight | Dissonance: select(2, ...) |
| 03:54.03 | Iriel | local blah, moo, wibble, chocolate = ...; |
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| 03:54.30 | Iriel | or if you need a dynamically chosen arg, then select(i, ...) where i is an index from 1 through to select('#', ...) |
| 03:54.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Dissonance: think of ... as a function that returns whatever you put into it |
| 03:55.01 | Dissonance | I don't get it. |
| 03:55.04 | ScytheBlade1 | lua> function asdf(...) print(select(1, ...)) end; asdf("a", "b", "c", "d", "e") |
| 03:55.04 | lua_bot | ScytheBlade1: a, b, c, d, e |
| 03:55.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Except I fail at the syntax |
| 03:55.22 | Iriel | And try not to use select(1, ...), ever 8-) |
| 03:55.28 | ScytheBlade1 | What Iriel said :) |
| 03:55.39 | Dissonance | So what does select do? |
| 03:55.49 | Iriel | Hirsute: Why are you setting it to defined yourself? Does it not do that by itself? |
| 03:56.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Dissonance: if your function declaration has "..." in it, in your function, you can treat it like another function that has multiple returns |
| 03:56.05 | WobWork | basically, the ellipses '...' indicate that a function can accept multiple arguments. The select function can take that as an argument and return a subset of those arguments |
| 03:56.12 | Shirik | batrick: Whats a good place to check for termination requests? |
| 03:56.27 | Iriel | Dissonance: Perhaps an example will help.. select('#', "a", "b", "c") returns 3, select(2, "a", "b", "c") returns "b", "c" |
| 03:56.35 | Dissonance | But select() is not a good way of doint it? |
| 03:56.35 | Hirsute | Iriel, it doesn't if I loaded the AuctionFrame via AuctoinFrame_LoadUI() |
| 03:56.39 | Dissonance | doing it* |
| 03:56.53 | WobWork | No it's fine |
| 03:57.13 | WobWork | it may not be the best way, but it's useful if you're only after, say the 3rd last in a group of 20 or something |
| 03:57.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Dissonance: usually the preferred method of manipulating the "..." varible is like this: varA, varB, varC = ... |
| 03:57.32 | Dissonance | Ok, well I require all 4 arguments that could be potentially passed. |
| 03:57.34 | WobWork | if you're after the first four arguments, you can just use arg1, arg2, arg3 = ... |
| 03:57.34 | ScytheBlade1 | With mention what WobWork just said |
| 03:57.40 | WobWork | (er 3 that is) |
| 03:57.53 | batrick | Shirik: I'm not sure I understand the question |
| 03:57.55 | Dissonance | arg1 is interpreted as the first parameter passed? |
| 03:57.58 | WobWork | yes |
| 03:57.58 | Shirik | ok |
| 03:58.03 | batrick | like whether someone wants you to cancle? |
| 03:58.06 | Iriel | select is only really necessary if (a) you're after values quite far into the ... list, or (b) you want to dynamically iterate over the list |
| 03:58.07 | WobWork | and subsequently |
| 03:58.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Dissonance: in the case of "arg1, arg2, arg3 = ..." yes |
| 03:58.18 | Shirik | When a thread says that it shouldnt be cancelled at this time, it is marked as requested to be cancelled |
| 03:58.18 | Dissonance | I see. |
| 03:58.20 | batrick | the only place you will let them cancel is in kernel_fetch |
| 03:58.24 | Shirik | ok |
| 03:58.36 | batrick | you should disable it whenever they make a call to our library |
| 03:58.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Dissonance: likewise, you can create a function with ... in the params, and pass an infite many args to your function (or however few you please) |
| 03:58.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Dissonance: and manipulate them all accordingly |
| 03:58.47 | Shirik | right; while its disabled, I have it mark that a request has been made |
| 03:58.59 | Shirik | so it can be serviced whenever |
| 03:59.07 | WobWork | It's one way to apply function overriding |
| 03:59.34 | WobWork | You have a base function that accepts (...) then call subsequent functions as appropriate to the inputs sent through |
| 04:00.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Dissonance: take this for example. http://wowuidev.pastey.net/85515 |
| 04:01.12 | Hirsute | Iriel: Basically, if I use AuctionFrame_LoadUI() to create UIPanelWindows["AuctionFrame"], it doesn't set UIPanelLayout-defined until I actually open the Auction Window, so my AuctionFrame:SetAttribute("UIPanelLayout-enabled", nil) doesn't stick. |
| 04:01.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Dissonance: test() has ... as the ONLY param. Then when it is called, I'm passing "a" through "g" to test() |
| 04:01.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Dissonance: test() can manipulate ... to extract whatever it pleases. Or, you could use select() to fetch a specific one from ... |
| 04:01.53 | Hirsute | Unless I issue AuctionFrame:SetAttribute("UIPanelLayout-defined", true) myself right after the AuctionFrame_LoadUI() |
| 04:02.05 | Iriel | Hirsute: Ah, I see now, yes.. it's actually GetUIPanelWindowInfo that sets the defined flag |
| 04:02.38 | Hirsute | Iriel, Perhaps I'll try running that one instead of setting the attribute flag myself... |
| 04:02.54 | Iriel | No, (a) you can't and (b) that expects to be run securely |
| 04:03.21 | Hirsute | Just found that out |
| 04:03.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Dissonance: with that, you can pass as many or as few args as you want to that function, and it won't complain |
| 04:04.12 | Iriel | That's only used for initial population of the layout attributes if they're initially provided from the UIPanelWindows table, so you can in fact duplicate its behavior yourself |
| 04:04.23 | Iriel | (out of combat, of course) |
| 04:04.28 | Hirsute | Aye, of course |
| 04:04.38 | Iriel | That should solve your basic problem |
| 04:05.00 | Hirsute | Heh, now I just have to figure out how to duplicate that myself. |
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| 04:05.49 | Dissonance | lua> if (type("1") == "number") then print("It's a Number"); end |
| 04:05.50 | lua_bot | Dissonance: No output |
| 04:06.00 | ckknight | Dissonance: that's a string. |
| 04:06.01 | Dissonance | This is confusing. |
| 04:06.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Dissonance: "1" <-- string |
| 04:06.09 | Dissonance | I know. |
| 04:06.16 | ckknight | lua> type("1") |
| 04:06.16 | lua_bot | ckknight: string |
| 04:06.17 | Dissonance | This is a problem. |
| 04:06.20 | ScytheBlade1 | What's confusing? |
| 04:06.22 | ckknight | lua> type(1) |
| 04:06.22 | lua_bot | ckknight: number |
| 04:06.28 | ckknight | lua> type(tonumber("1")) |
| 04:06.28 | lua_bot | ckknight: number |
| 04:06.30 | Dissonance | It's not confusing, it's a problem. |
| 04:06.32 | Dissonance | oh yes. |
| 04:06.33 | ckknight | lua> type("1"+0) |
| 04:06.34 | lua_bot | ckknight: number |
| 04:06.34 | Dissonance | Thanks. |
| 04:06.45 | ckknight | only do +0 if you're sure it's a number |
| 04:06.47 | ckknight | otherwise it'll error |
| 04:06.51 | ckknight | tonumber will just return nil |
| 04:06.52 | Cairenn | :p |
| 04:06.58 | Cairenn | errr, wrong window, sorry |
| 04:07.17 | Dissonance | tonumber(arg) returns what for success and fail? |
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| 04:07.28 | ckknight | number for success, nil for fail |
| 04:08.48 | MentalPower | ScytheBlade1: lol |
| 04:08.53 | Dissonance | lua> if (1 == 1 && 2~=1) then print("Done") end |
| 04:08.54 | lua_bot | Dissonance: luabot:1: ')' expected near '&' |
| 04:08.56 | MentalPower | lotsa data there :P |
| 04:09.00 | ScytheBlade1 | MentalPower: want any? ;) |
| 04:09.08 | Dissonance | What's the lua equivalent of && ? |
| 04:09.12 | MentalPower | do they have names at lease? |
| 04:09.14 | MentalPower | Dissonance: and |
| 04:09.17 | ScytheBlade1 | MentalPower: on the flip side, it suddenly makes sense as to why I was lagging when I AoE'd mobs |
| 04:09.19 | Dissonance | Doh. |
| 04:09.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Dissonance: and |
| 04:09.28 | MentalPower | ScytheBlade1: lol |
| 04:09.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Dissonance: think english, not C :) |
| 04:09.32 | Hirsute | Iriel: Where would I look to see exactly what I need to duplicate? |
| 04:09.47 | MentalPower | ScytheBlade1: does the GUIDs have names to them? |
| 04:10.04 | MentalPower | 0x1234567890 = ScytheBlade1 ? |
| 04:10.09 | ScytheBlade1 | MentalPower: all of them. And the related COMBATLOG_OBJECT_TYPE_* flags |
| 04:10.19 | MentalPower | mesa want! |
| 04:10.24 | Dissonance | lua> arg1=1; print(tonumber(var1)); print(type(var1)); |
| 04:10.24 | lua_bot | Dissonance: nil, nil |
| 04:10.34 | Dissonance | Oops. |
| 04:10.35 | ScytheBlade1 | MentalPower: moment then |
| 04:10.36 | MentalPower | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:10.44 | Dissonance | lua> arg1=1; print(tonumber(arg1)); print(type(arg1)); |
| 04:10.44 | lua_bot | Dissonance: 1, number |
| 04:10.44 | MentalPower | ScytheBlade1: or my nick @gmail |
| 04:10.47 | MentalPower | your choice |
| 04:11.07 | MentalPower | Dissonance: err... read the manual? |
| 04:11.42 | ScytheBlade1 | MentalPower: hahaha. gzipped it is 463kB. |
| 04:12.16 | ScytheBlade1 | MentalPower: http://up.norganna.org/index.php/lFSBXp5/GUIDWatcher.lua.gz |
| 04:13.25 | ScytheBlade1 | MentalPower: same as before - there is a subtable, "Bigger" - which contains duplicate GUIDs of GUIDs that exceed the 6, 12 boundary for player GUIDs |
| 04:13.37 | ScytheBlade1 | MentalPower: it can be safely ignored, as the relevant data IS duplicate |
| 04:13.58 | WobWork | Dissonance: PiL is a very good book to read if you've programmed in another language before |
| 04:14.00 | WobWork | ~pil |
| 04:14.01 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 04:14.01 | Iriel | Hirsute: UIParent.lua |
| 04:14.16 | Hirsute | Ah, there it is, thanks! |
| 04:14.18 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-b *!*@75-106-164-202.cust.wildblue.net] by Shirik |
| 04:14.53 | Iriel | ScytheBlade1: Are you using the high order bits to classify GUID type ? |
| 04:15.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Iriel: no, COMBATLOG_OBJECT_TYPE_* :) |
| 04:15.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Iriel: addon in question only recorded combat log events. |
| 04:15.28 | Iriel | Ah. ok. |
| 04:15.42 | ScytheBlade1 | This was before we knew the exact details about the high bits |
| 04:15.46 | Iriel | I was curious if we had any more information gleaned about the innards of the structure. |
| 04:16.04 | ScytheBlade1 | I kinda left it running... and as a result, have a 2.6MB GUIDWatcher.lua saved variables file. :) |
| 04:16.30 | Iriel | I'll be updating targetcensus to be GUID aware sooner or later |
| 04:17.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Iriel: if you're curious, I uploaded all of that data for MentalPower. http://up.norganna.org/index.php/lFSBXp5/GUIDWatcher.lua.gz |
| 04:17.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Contains a bit of everything, or should. |
| 04:25.39 | Dissonance | Ok, this still doesn't verify numbers. I want to make sure a passed argument is numeric. So I tried this: |
| 04:26.08 | Dissonance | if (tonumber(arg1) ~= nil and type(arg1) == "number") then print("It's a number"); end |
| 04:26.12 | Iriel | tonumber(value) ~= nil |
| 04:26.30 | Iriel | do you mean numeric, or 'convertable to a number' ? |
| 04:26.41 | Dissonance | the latter. |
| 04:26.43 | Iriel | You've done both tests |
| 04:26.55 | Iriel | then just do arg1 = tonumber(arg1); if (arg1 ~= nil) |
| 04:27.00 | MentalPower | just do if tonumber(arg1) |
| 04:27.00 | Dissonance | Ok. |
| 04:27.06 | MentalPower | Iriel beat me to it :P |
| 04:27.11 | Iriel | because "7" is convertable to a number, but type("7") == "string" |
| 04:27.23 | NightHawkTheSane | can anyone here who's done archimonde comment on totems affecting doomfire pathing? |
| 04:27.43 | NightHawkTheSane | (as in, do they, or is this guy in my guild a raving lunatic that I think he is) |
| 04:28.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Dissonance: knowing that you're working largely only with addon messages, and now knowing that you' |
| 04:28.33 | Dissonance | should I preceed variables declared inside functions with my addon name, such as GKOS.localvariable, or is that restricted to function scope? |
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| 04:28.52 | ScytheBlade1 | re verifying numbers, it should be noted that anything you send with SendAddonMessage() will be recieved technically as a string |
| 04:29.20 | Dissonance | I realize this, but only after hearing you guys say it. It never made sense in my head. |
| 04:29.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Dissonance: if you declare it as local, you can name it whatever you please with no concerns |
| 04:29.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 04:29.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Glad it does now? ;) |
| 04:29.55 | Dissonance | Yea, I guess I just need that verification before it clicks. |
| 04:31.23 | Iriel | Personally I try and avoid globals unless the game engine requires them |
| 04:31.35 | Iriel | and use a single global symbol with my library or addon name, and put anything 'shared' in there |
| 04:31.43 | WobWork | always cleaner not to clutter global scope |
| 04:31.58 | Iriel | Plus it makes running a test version beside a live one easier |
| 04:32.14 | Iriel | e.g. in BackSeatQuester almost every file starts with local BSQ = BackSeatQuester; |
| 04:32.26 | Iriel | Then to run a test one I just swap that for BackSeatQuesterTest |
| 04:33.22 | Dissonance | if (var1 and var1 > 0 and var1 < 8) <-- errors, "Attempt to compare number with string", passing 1 for var1 |
| 04:33.49 | MentalPower | Dissonance: you sure you're passing 1 and not "1" |
| 04:35.03 | ScytheBlade1 | MentalPower|Zzzz: enjoy the data |
| 04:35.07 | Dissonance | Good point. I was checking for tonumber(var1) in the if-statement, but I was never setting tonumber(var1) back to var1. |
| 04:35.22 | MentalPower|Zzzz | ScytheBlade1: thanks a ton (sorry, got carried away) |
| 04:35.27 | Cairenn | night MentalPower|Zzzz |
| 04:35.32 | ScytheBlade1 | MentalPower|Zzzz: haha np |
| 04:35.33 | MentalPower|Zzzz | night Cairenn |
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| 04:38.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Well well well |
| 04:38.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Look who it is |
| 04:38.16 | widgertick | O_o |
| 04:38.26 | ScytheBlade1 | My thoughts exactly! |
| 04:38.35 | widgertick | Heya ;) |
| 04:38.39 | ScytheBlade1 | hehe |
| 04:39.50 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd continue making random nonsensical comments, but I need to wake up at 3:15 local time and drive my father to the airport |
| 04:40.00 | ScytheBlade1 | And it is 10:40 now, so I should sleep |
| 04:40.05 | widgertick | Yeah |
| 04:40.08 | widgertick | Have fun with that =X |
| 04:40.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Or die trying! |
| 04:40.16 | ScytheBlade1 | (Somewhat likely!) |
| 04:40.50 | Dissonance | GKOS.list = {}; is the correct way to make an array. I can start adding data to it via table.insert? |
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| 04:41.04 | Iriel | Yes, though it's an "empty table" |
| 04:41.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Dissonance: sure, that'll work just fine. table.insert(table, value) |
| 04:41.49 | WobWork | table.insert(t, value) |
| 04:41.56 | WobWork | where t is your new table |
| 04:42.05 | WobWork | (just for clarification sake) |
| 04:42.27 | Hirsute | Iriel: That did the trick, thanks for the suggestion! |
| 04:43.34 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Kaelten] by ChanServ |
| 04:45.39 | ScytheBlade1 | ... haha. I should have noticed his hostmask earlier. (Hirsute's) |
| 04:47.02 | Dissonance | What's wrong with Chatzilla? |
| 04:47.27 | WobWork | I use it =P |
| 04:47.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Nothing. I mean his actual hostmask, utah.edu. That's where I'm at for schooling atm ;) |
| 04:47.34 | Dissonance | Oh, hehe. |
| 04:48.01 | Dissonance | Be careful, he just may hunt you down and ask you questions in person. |
| 04:48.14 | WobWork | That's how my guild started |
| 04:48.22 | WobWork | we were in the computerlab on the same MUD |
| 04:48.23 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:48.43 | WobWork | and someone said "Sorry, can't talk, there's an idiot doing X over here" |
| 04:48.47 | WobWork | and the idiot responded =P |
| 04:48.51 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:48.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Nice |
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| 04:59.17 | Shirik | wow I broke bongos |
| 04:59.19 | Shirik | severely |
| 05:01.14 | sylvanaar | I still want to know about the memory usage numbers i was posting about - i still really havent gotten a good answer, anyone want to take a crack at it? |
| 05:02.21 | ScytheBlade1 | sylvanaar: repost it, maybe 'someone' will see and become intrigued ;) |
| 05:02.33 | sylvanaar | yeah, im looking for the link |
| 05:03.00 | sylvanaar | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=12676.0 |
| 05:03.27 | sylvanaar | I posted on the wow forums too - Iriel answered back - but my account expried next day |
| 05:03.36 | sylvanaar | i dont think i am renewing |
| 05:03.43 | Shirik | anyone know how to delete a profile from bongos when bongos says cannot delet profile ? |
| 05:03.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Anywho I really need to sleep |
| 05:04.02 | NightHawkTheSane | manually edit the sv? |
| 05:04.10 | Shirik | yeah, any idea what Im looking for? :P |
| 05:04.49 | batrick | oi shirik |
| 05:04.52 | batrick | did u figure it out |
| 05:05.35 | Iriel | sylvanaar: Hm, well, what do you have to say to my response? |
| 05:05.35 | NightHawkTheSane | nope, sorry. :P |
| 05:06.18 | Shirik | kinda batrick |
| 05:06.18 | Iriel | Really, you're not understanding that the game has to store the unexecuted code SOMEWHERE |
| 05:06.19 | Shirik | in testing now |
| 05:07.19 | sylvanaar | Iriel yeah, if all I do is enclose the globals in a closure, but that closure isnt executed why does memory use go up as if the closure was executed? |
| 05:07.39 | Iriel | Where do you think the CLOSURE is stored? |
| 05:08.19 | sylvanaar | i know where its stored, but why does enclosing those globals require that much memory. There is only 8K of code |
| 05:09.53 | sylvanaar | 34K of globals + 8K of code, how do I get to 81K? |
| 05:10.07 | sylvanaar | if i never execute the closure? |
| 05:10.14 | Iriel | that's 21k of code (for 1000 symbols) |
| 05:10.39 | Iriel | sorry, 18.8k |
| 05:10.55 | Iriel | which generates 45k of bytecode plus info if you luac it |
| 05:11.36 | sylvanaar | ok, but never executed so it doesnt actually store the globals |
| 05:11.49 | Iriel | it still has to put the strings into the string table (or keep them in the closure) |
| 05:11.55 | sylvanaar | right, i get that |
| 05:12.07 | Iriel | plus wow keeps information about the source |
| 05:12.12 | Iriel | so it can generate meaningful error messages |
| 05:12.37 | Iriel | I'm not sure how space efficient that is |
| 05:12.51 | Iriel | did you ever do the foo(); foo = nil; test |
| 05:12.58 | sylvanaar | I tried with various sizes http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=12676.msg201362#msg201362 |
| 05:13.30 | sylvanaar | my account is expired now |
| 05:13.30 | Iriel | Your '8k worth of code' comment is a bit dubious too |
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| 05:13.37 | Iriel | obvious the code size varies directly with the function size |
| 05:13.50 | Iriel | if you'd do it as a for loop creating symbol names on the fly you would find the closure was tiny |
| 05:13.51 | sylvanaar | yes, it was only for the 1000 case |
| 05:14.29 | sylvanaar | i did execute the closure, and it didnt add to the memory use at all |
| 05:14.50 | sylvanaar | thats what I found odd |
| 05:15.28 | Iriel | did you do that under wow? |
| 05:15.32 | Iriel | or under a clean lua install? |
| 05:15.48 | Iriel | because you have to remember wow's already got a significantly sized globals table |
| 05:15.59 | Iriel | so it's quite likely a mere 1000 additions didn't push it to have to re-allocate |
| 05:16.15 | Iriel | You can't do "small scale" memory tests inside wow |
| 05:16.28 | Iriel | You have to account for the size of the environment and the way tables grow |
| 05:16.29 | sylvanaar | hmm...but my 1000 globals in a lua file always took 34K |
| 05:16.59 | sylvanaar | and executing my 1000 globals in a closure always took 81L |
| 05:17.01 | sylvanaar | K |
| 05:17.06 | Iriel | Did you do the size test from inside the file? |
| 05:17.15 | Kirov | heh |
| 05:17.19 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:17.24 | sylvanaar | i used the in-game profiling |
| 05:17.30 | Iriel | But what did you RUN it from? |
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| 05:17.56 | sylvanaar | executing the closure? |
| 05:17.59 | Kirov | Oh no, I'm a terrible person. |
| 05:18.42 | sylvanaar | i dont know what you are asking, where i ran it from.. |
| 05:19.06 | Iriel | because the FILE is a closure too |
| 05:19.19 | sylvanaar | right, i get that |
| 05:19.54 | sylvanaar | both tests had only the code i mentioned in them |
| 05:20.09 | Iriel | Here's a test with a 'clean' lua environment... |
| 05:20.12 | Iriel | 1) fresh lua... |
| 05:20.19 | End | have you run the gc? |
| 05:20.48 | Iriel | End's question is important, generally you should force GC runs until space stops decreasing before taking a measurement. |
| 05:20.56 | sylvanaar | run the gc? i reloaded the UI |
| 05:21.01 | Iriel | Anyway.. Clean environment.. 17k |
| 05:21.22 | Iriel | loading two identical closures, foo and foo2.. 132k |
| 05:21.34 | Iriel | nil'ing one of them.. 93k |
| 05:21.55 | Iriel | nil'ing the other one too, 18k (likely more space due to internal table growth) |
| 05:22.31 | Iriel | Note that implies about 40k for the CODE, and 36k for the SHARED STRINGS |
| 05:22.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://boundless.fileburst.com/mario.html |
| 05:22.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | aghhhh |
| 05:23.07 | Iriel | Now, memory allocation models vary, wow doesn't have byte-for-byte correlation with an arbitrary lua implementation. |
| 05:23.25 | sylvanaar | execute one of the closures so it adds all the globals to the global environ |
| 05:24.12 | Iriel | 1 closeure, pre execution = 93k, post execution = 147k, nil closure = 108k |
| 05:24.35 | Iriel | that's all consistent with lua's normal sizes for things like table entries |
| 05:25.15 | Iriel | I'm not sure how wow's memory profiling accounts for strings either |
| 05:25.32 | Iriel | since they're not tainted, I dont know if they're tracked either |
| 05:25.49 | sylvanaar | you are giving the environment size or the profiling memory usage for your test addon? |
| 05:29.05 | sylvanaar | in any event, thanks for taking a look at it Iriel, I appreciate your taking the time to answer my questions |
| 05:29.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Huh, I think we're FINALLY learning to NOT suck on archi. |
| 05:30.29 | Iriel | sylvanaar: I'm doing collectgarbage(); collectgarbage(); return gcinfo(); |
| 05:30.30 | End | the numbers aren't really surprising to me (although one thing that surprised me a while ago is how much gc churn loading a file generates) |
| 05:30.45 | End | (er, I mean, how much garbage is generate) |
| 05:30.50 | Iriel | loading a file has to compile it into a closure, execute the closure, then let the closure get collected |
| 05:30.54 | End | just because of the whole file needed to be cleaned up |
| 05:30.56 | End | yeah |
| 05:30.59 | End | exactly |
| 05:31.04 | Iriel | and the closure includes lots of details about the source |
| 05:31.13 | Iriel | it doesnt happen all that often 8-) |
| 05:31.18 | sylvanaar | Iriel i was using the numbers from the blizzard memory profiling api's - my question really is are those numbers accurate |
| 05:31.36 | Iriel | sylvanaar: I'm sure they're an accurate account of what's being measured |
| 05:31.54 | End | since they're profiling by addon, they probably don't measure strings |
| 05:31.58 | Iriel | But given the nature of lua (especially shared strings), it's hard to say exactly what that is |
| 05:32.02 | End | but they should measure tables and frames fine |
| 05:32.06 | Iriel | you could do some experiments and figure that out |
| 05:32.07 | End | and functions |
| 05:32.19 | End | (well, maybe they don't measure frames) |
| 05:32.27 | End | (that's more of an internal detail) |
| 05:32.42 | Iriel | they'd measure the table bit of frames |
| 05:32.45 | End | yes |
| 05:32.53 | Iriel | which is the big piece anyway |
| 05:33.01 | End | I was thinking they might measure the internal structure too |
| 05:33.05 | Iriel | (Well, big in lua space, the C++ bit is of unknown size and not included) |
| 05:33.06 | End | but I'm not so sure about that |
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| 05:34.26 | Iriel | I'd never use GetAddOnMemoryUsage to determine actual in memory footprint |
| 05:35.03 | Iriel | just becauase there are too many wierdnesses |
| 05:35.06 | sylvanaar | on another note, Iriel i have been trying to spread the word about ChatFrame_AddMessageEventFilter, maybe you can add it to your list (i didnt see it last time i looked) |
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| 05:35.34 | Iriel | I dont tend to cover UI functions in my changes thread |
| 05:35.38 | sylvanaar | Iriel yeah, i know, I dont use GetAddonMemoryUsage, but thats what end-users see |
| 05:35.41 | Iriel | and I've been behind on my 'actual changes' thread 8-) |
| 05:36.05 | Iriel | (by UI functions I mean those provided in the Blizzard UI code, rather than the C) |
| 05:36.10 | sylvanaar | ChatFrame_AddMessageEventFilter is almost a paradigm shift in chat addon writing |
| 05:36.19 | widgertick | ind33d |
| 05:36.25 | widgertick | I <3 it |
| 05:37.01 | Xinhuan | wait whats this? a new 2.5 thing? |
| 05:37.11 | sylvanaar | no |
| 05:37.15 | sylvanaar | 2.4 |
| 05:37.39 | sylvanaar | ChatFrame_AddMessageEventFilter(event, filterfunc) |
| 05:37.48 | Xinhuan | hm |
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| 05:37.58 | AnduinLothar | enchant/gem mats have gone crazy today for badge loot... |
| 05:38.23 | sylvanaar | well, guys thanks again for your input, have a nice evening |
| 05:39.30 | WobWork | xkcd win |
| 05:41.01 | NightHawkTheSane | oh man, WobWork.. xkcd does win. |
| 05:41.26 | End | oh, it just adds up GetAddOnMemoryUsage |
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| 06:02.58 | AlexanderYoshi | xkcd is hot |
| 06:13.11 | WobWork | 'tis |
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| 06:41.45 | teenee | I'm wondering if anyone has had any issues using CombatLogSetCurrentEntry/CombatLogGetCurrentEntry ? |
| 06:42.58 | AlexanderYoshi | are you passing "true" as the 2nd argument? |
| 06:43.05 | teenee | Yes |
| 06:43.10 | AlexanderYoshi | whats the problem |
| 06:43.44 | teenee | the problem is that I cannot retrieve the line that caused the event (maybe it's not been added yet? i donno). |
| 06:43.59 | teenee | someone else is asking the same thing here http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4976471717&sid=1 |
| 06:44.04 | AlexanderYoshi | oh |
| 06:44.07 | teenee | he has some small code snippets, if thats any help |
| 06:44.07 | AlexanderYoshi | not fixed yet |
| 06:44.23 | teenee | its a bug on blizzards end? |
| 06:46.48 | AlexanderYoshi | yeah |
| 06:46.53 | teenee | has to be some way of retrieving the current events data? half of all addons wouldn't be working otherwise? |
| 06:47.05 | AlexanderYoshi | they just use the args of the current event |
| 06:47.15 | AlexanderYoshi | MyFrame:RegisterForEvent("COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED") |
| 06:48.01 | teenee | hmm. i just found that my args didn't seem to have any real info (I'm new to lua, so maybe I'm missing some mapping mechanism, donno) |
| 06:48.11 | teenee | I'll try to look at that angle a bit then. |
| 06:48.17 | AlexanderYoshi | MyFrame:RegisterHandler("OnEvent",function(event, ...) if ( event == "COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED") ) then local time = ...; ChatFrame1:AddMessage(time) end end ) |
| 06:48.26 | AlexanderYoshi | that will print out the event of every combat log entry |
| 06:48.29 | AlexanderYoshi | er time |
| 06:49.12 | NightHawkTheSane | woo.. archi to 25% |
| 06:50.05 | AnduinLothar | :) i got my archi helm tonight |
| 06:50.21 | AlexanderYoshi | grats |
| 06:50.22 | AlexanderYoshi | I never did |
| 06:50.37 | AnduinLothar | we wiped twice on him tho, even tho he's been on farm status for months |
| 06:50.57 | AlexanderYoshi | w/e |
| 06:51.03 | AlexanderYoshi | those wipes got you your helm |
| 06:51.08 | AnduinLothar | yup |
| 06:51.24 | AnduinLothar | i actually got 3 T6 tonight. where as before that i had none |
| 06:51.28 | AnduinLothar | pretty stoked |
| 06:51.53 | AnduinLothar | ended up getting offspec gloves tho, cause S3 > T6 for ret |
| 06:51.58 | Xinhuan | i am the best master looter ever - i looted a MH warglaive + tank shield + healing mace yesterday ^_^ |
| 06:52.19 | [Liquidor] | Morning everyone. What a nice sunny day :) |
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| 06:52.38 | teenee | is nicely sunny in cph ^^ |
| 06:53.02 | Xinhuan | how's your new addon going along, AlexanderYoshi |
| 06:53.23 | [Liquidor] | yup teenee |
| 06:53.40 | AlexanderYoshi | ok |
| 06:53.50 | AlexanderYoshi | people were yelling at me tonight because it was on during Hyjal trash |
| 06:53.57 | AlexanderYoshi | and every AoE'r was fucking spamming crits |
| 06:54.00 | Xinhuan | whats the addon do hehe |
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| 06:54.40 | Xinhuan | records highest crits? |
| 06:55.33 | AlexanderYoshi | no |
| 06:55.42 | AlexanderYoshi | it tracks notable raid accomplishments |
| 06:55.53 | AlexanderYoshi | I had quad crits back to back as an achievement |
| 06:55.56 | AlexanderYoshi | but it turns out |
| 06:55.59 | Xinhuan | oh the one you told us about a month ago? hehe |
| 06:56.01 | AlexanderYoshi | 4x crits is common for a caster |
| 06:56.07 | AlexanderYoshi | and UBER COMMON FOR FUCKIGN WARRIORS |
| 06:56.16 | AlexanderYoshi | I had a warrior crit x7 in a row tonigth |
| 06:56.23 | AlexanderYoshi | and rogues at x6 |
| 06:56.38 | Xinhuan | set the bar higher, go for 10x |
| 06:56.48 | Gnarfoz | no wonder :> fury warriors rely on crit to keep flurry up ^^ |
| 06:56.53 | AlexanderYoshi | the chances of that happening |
| 06:56.57 | Gnarfoz | rogues, not so much, must have been lucky ;> |
| 06:56.58 | AlexanderYoshi | are extremely low |
| 06:57.11 | AlexanderYoshi | but yes, Xinhua |
| 06:57.15 | AlexanderYoshi | I have it coded |
| 06:57.18 | AlexanderYoshi | Are you raiding? |
| 06:57.21 | AlexanderYoshi | I'll send it to you to try it |
| 06:57.38 | Xinhuan | will be finishing hyjal tonight |
| 06:58.15 | AnduinLothar | does it announce in raid or something? |
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| 06:59.26 | AlexanderYoshi | "SAY" for the moment |
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| 07:09.21 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm not sure what scares me more |
| 07:09.36 | NightHawkTheSane | the fact that only 7 people in the raid have some kind of ora-compatable raid mod.. |
| 07:09.46 | NightHawkTheSane | or the fact that there's 3 OTHER people just using CTRA |
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| 07:11.10 | AlexanderYoshi | errr |
| 07:11.17 | AlexanderYoshi | do auras have source names or dest name? |
| 07:11.18 | AlexanderYoshi | I forget |
| 07:11.35 | AlexanderYoshi | AURA_REMOVED |
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| 07:11.40 | [Liquidor] | NightHawkTheSane, only? Noone should be using it :> |
| 07:11.45 | NightHawkTheSane | AlexanderYoshi: destname |
| 07:11.46 | AlexanderYoshi | is dest only I think |
| 07:11.55 | NightHawkTheSane | [Liquidor]: yes, ONLY. |
| 07:12.04 | NightHawkTheSane | yes, i know no one should, but it doesnt change the fact :P |
| 07:12.19 | NightHawkTheSane | AlexanderYoshi: the spell_cast_succeeded that caused the aura has a srcname |
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| 07:13.04 | reqol | has anyone ever encountered goldish dust on a lemon's skin? I just had some on my fingers after squeezing a lemon |
| 07:13.04 | [Liquidor] | ecstasia, yes? |
| 07:13.46 | AlexanderYoshi | thanks |
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| 07:19.20 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm... |
| 07:19.32 | NightHawkTheSane | does spell_aura_removed fire for a unit's buffs when they die? |
| 07:20.40 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm going to take a guess and say no.... |
| 07:20.47 | [Liquidor] | prolly not |
| 07:20.59 | [Liquidor] | try buff yourself and go die |
| 07:21.10 | [Liquidor] | dont forget to let us know |
| 07:21.12 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i havn't had a moment to test it personally yet. |
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| 07:33.31 | leethal | wotlk alpha :O |
| 07:34.36 | reqol | sweet |
| 07:34.46 | reqol | : ( |
| 07:35.19 | reqol | am I a fool? |
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| 07:36.55 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 07:37.10 | reqol | glad we cleared that up |
| 07:37.23 | NightHawkTheSane | glad i could be of assistance |
| 07:40.28 | Fisker- | i am going to destroy you |
| 07:40.53 | reqol | I hope that wasn't targeted at me |
| 07:41.57 | Fisker- | you don't want to be destroyed? |
| 07:42.03 | reqol | not in particular, no |
| 07:42.12 | Fisker- | i'll keep that in mind when i go to counselling |
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| 07:52.33 | leethal | wts wotlk private test server key, $100 000 |
| 07:52.35 | leethal | etc. |
| 07:52.55 | leethal | I bet 50% of the gold spammers will try to sell you "beta keys" now |
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| 07:59.50 | Dissonance | Is there a lua function to count rows in an array? Google isn't very informative on the subject. (Perhaps I'm just not searching for the correct terms) |
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| 08:00.06 | leethal | # the_table |
| 08:00.14 | leethal | Dissonance: ^^ |
| 08:00.26 | Dissonance | # is lua's count() keyword? |
| 08:00.49 | wereHamster | --> t = { 1, 2, 3 }; print(#t) |
| 08:00.49 | batbot | wereHamster: 3 |
| 08:00.56 | leethal | not sure 'bout the details, but #theTable (or # theTable) will return the amount of items in the table, ya |
| 08:02.03 | Dissonance | It works, thanks. |
| 08:02.05 | Snago | #t will only work on tables with numbers as index, and it will only count from 1 and up and stop at first nil |
| 08:02.24 | wereHamster | Snago, not quite |
| 08:02.32 | wereHamster | --> t = { 1, 2, 3, nil, 5 }; print(#t) |
| 08:02.32 | batbot | wereHamster: 5 |
| 08:02.34 | Dissonance | Under what circumstances would it encounter a nil result mid-way through? |
| 08:02.47 | wereHamster | --> t = { 1, 2, 3, nil, 5, nil }; print(#t) |
| 08:02.47 | batbot | wereHamster: 3 |
| 08:03.01 | Snago | o.O |
| 08:03.09 | Snago | now I'm confused |
| 08:03.19 | wereHamster | --> t = { 1, 2, 3, nil, 5, 6, nil }; print(#t) |
| 08:03.20 | batbot | wereHamster: 6 |
| 08:03.27 | wereHamster | I'm confused, too |
| 08:03.31 | krka | heh |
| 08:04.25 | krka | #t returns an n >= 0 such that t[n] is not nil and t[n+1] is nil. the exception is when #t = 0 |
| 08:05.07 | wereHamster | the highest n where that applies, not the lowest |
| 08:05.15 | krka | not really |
| 08:05.23 | krka | don't think it says highest in the manual |
| 08:05.32 | wereHamster | so why is #{ 1, 2, 3, nil, 5 } == 5 |
| 08:05.35 | krka | any such n>= 0 is valid |
| 08:05.43 | wereHamster | and not 3 |
| 08:05.51 | krka | both 3 and 5 are candidates for #t there |
| 08:06.23 | krka | --> return #{1,2,3,nil,5,nil} |
| 08:06.23 | batbot | krka: > 3 |
| 08:06.31 | krka | --> return #{1,2,3,nil,5} |
| 08:06.32 | batbot | krka: > 5 |
| 08:06.44 | Xinhuan | it can return any n |
| 08:06.48 | Xinhuan | that satisfies that requirement |
| 08:06.48 | krka | --> return #{1,2,3,nil,5,nil,nil} |
| 08:06.48 | batbot | krka: > 5 |
| 08:06.54 | Xinhuan | i.e don't use #t on a table with holes |
| 08:07.06 | Xinhuan | the results are inconsistent and unpredictable |
| 08:09.06 | Dissonance | This is a long shot, but is there a way to loop through all enemies nearby? |
| 08:09.16 | wereHamster | no |
| 08:09.30 | Dissonance | Did there used to be Pre 2.0? |
| 08:09.37 | Xinhuan | would make botting incredibly easy if it were possible |
| 08:09.41 | wereHamster | no, never |
| 08:09.44 | Xinhuan | it used to be possible pre patch 1.3 or so |
| 08:10.06 | Dissonance | I vaguely remember it. |
| 08:10.27 | Xinhuan | there was a mod that allowed you to cycle thru all nearby targets and put it on the minimap |
| 08:10.29 | wereHamster | was there an api for it? |
| 08:10.32 | Xinhuan | was fixed very very quickly |
| 08:10.45 | Dissonance | You used to be able to target enemies via code. |
| 08:11.14 | Dissonance | Wasn't 1.3 the patch that fixed moving your character via code? |
| 08:11.29 | Dissonance | fixed, meaning removed. |
| 08:11.29 | Xinhuan | probably the same patch |
| 08:12.14 | Dissonance | on PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED, how would I get the current target's name |
| 08:12.22 | Dissonance | unitname("target") ? |
| 08:12.28 | wereHamster | yes |
| 08:16.01 | Dissonance | What is the difficulty level associated with adding a row to a tooltip? |
| 08:16.22 | wereHamster | reading the wowwiki.. |
| 08:17.29 | Dissonance | I didn't find anything in the API, and searching for tooltip returns 1 result, which is how to utilize tooltips on the site. |
| 08:18.26 | Xinhuan | if its just adding text, you do |
| 08:18.32 | wereHamster | http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API |
| 08:18.46 | Xinhuan | tooltip:AddLine(text, r, g, b, wrap) |
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| 08:19.14 | Xinhuan | if its a tooltip object that is created with CreateFrame that doesn't inherit from GameTooltipTemplate |
| 08:19.31 | Xinhuan | then you have to :AddFontStrings(fontstring, fontstring) |
| 08:20.11 | Dissonance | I just want to add a single string of text to a player-tooltip. |
| 08:20.27 | Xinhuan | GameTooltip:AddLine("some text") |
| 08:20.34 | Xinhuan | GameTooltip:Show() |
| 08:20.52 | Xinhuan | that's all you need, and you just hook OnTooltipSetUnit or somthing, dont' remember the event |
| 08:22.58 | reqol | how do you access the taint log? |
| 08:23.09 | Xinhuan | Logs\taintlog.txt |
| 08:23.26 | reqol | damn, meant how do I turn it on>? |
| 08:23.39 | Drundia | ./console taintlog 1 |
| 08:23.39 | Xinhuan | /console taintLog [0|1|2] |
| 08:23.45 | reqol | what's 2? |
| 08:23.50 | Drundia | or 2 if you want more detailed |
| 08:24.04 | Xinhuan | 2 causes the taintLog to be extremely detailed and logs every execution taint on every onUpdate on every function |
| 08:24.11 | Xinhuan | and generates about 80 mbs per hour |
| 08:24.14 | reqol | oh my... |
| 08:24.16 | Xinhuan | of logs |
| 08:24.17 | reqol | I think I'll go with one |
| 08:24.26 | Xinhuan | sadly, the taintlog is still fairly worthless in most cases |
| 08:24.33 | Xinhuan | because it does not report frame function taints |
| 08:24.33 | Drundia | true |
| 08:24.47 | Drundia | i still don't know why blizzard raid pullouts refuse to click.... |
| 08:25.02 | Drundia | and they aren't even created in combat |
| 08:25.10 | Xinhuan | for example, if i hooked ChatFrame1:AddMessage(), there would be an execution taint, but because the taint isn't caused in the _G[] table, it isn't logged |
| 08:25.28 | Xinhuan | so the taint log is fairly useless in most cases related to anything not in the _G[] table |
| 08:25.48 | Drundia | Xinhuan, I think it does log them somehow |
| 08:25.52 | Xinhuan | it doesn't |
| 08:25.58 | Xinhuan | you can replace a secure function with your own |
| 08:26.00 | Drundia | I'm sure my empty :Show()'s were tracked.... |
| 08:26.01 | Xinhuan | it produces no log |
| 08:26.13 | Xinhuan | execution taints is logged |
| 08:26.14 | Drundia | when called from secure code.... |
| 08:26.18 | Xinhuan | but the actual tainting itself isn't |
| 08:26.32 | Xinhuan | so all you will find in the log is, addon XYZ is causing taint |
| 08:26.37 | Xinhuan | but you don't know when or why |
| 08:26.40 | Xinhuan | because its not logged |
| 08:26.54 | Xinhuan | only taints to globals are logged |
| 08:27.04 | Drundia | speaking of that cool :AddMessage with that scrolling message frame lag i have it replaced in metatable... |
| 08:27.26 | reqol | generally speaking, how do you resolve taints? |
| 08:27.57 | wereHamster | taint = you're doing something forbidden, so don't do it |
| 08:28.14 | Xinhuan | you find the cause, and then you edit/change the addon so that it doesn't do it |
| 08:28.15 | wereHamster | like calling a function from a context where you shouldn't |
| 08:28.18 | reqol | simple enough |
| 08:28.35 | Xinhuan | which makes some addons impossible since there's no other way of doing it |
| 08:28.40 | Drundia | is there no taint to locals? |
| 08:28.45 | Dissonance | I don't understand the syntax of for loops if lua. Anyone care to give me a crash course? |
| 08:28.49 | Drundia | only execution gets tainted? |
| 08:28.52 | wereHamster | ~pil |
| 08:28.52 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 08:29.04 | Xinhuan | all variables are either tainted or secure, all addon code is tainted |
| 08:29.06 | Dissonance | http://www.lua.org/pil/4.3.4.html doesn't really help. |
| 08:29.16 | reqol | for i=start,end,increment do --stuff end |
| 08:29.21 | Xinhuan | but like i said only global taints in _G[] are recorded |
| 08:29.21 | wereHamster | what exactly is unclear to you? |
| 08:29.24 | Xinhuan | locals aren't |
| 08:29.27 | reqol | there are two fors, though |
| 08:29.52 | Dissonance | for i=1,#GKOS.list,1 do --stuff end ? |
| 08:30.01 | Drundia | only lack of tracking taint to locals could be reason why execution taint is there |
| 08:30.07 | reqol | if you are iterating through a table, dont' use that for |
| 08:30.10 | Drundia | they just can't safely reset it when leaving block |
| 08:30.11 | reqol | unless the keys are all numerical |
| 08:30.18 | Xinhuan | Drundia, you are not getting my point |
| 08:30.26 | Dissonance | I'm just adding data to it via table.insert() |
| 08:30.28 | Drundia | yes i am |
| 08:30.34 | Drundia | it doesn't record anything not in _G |
| 08:30.37 | Xinhuan | logging execution taint is not the same thing as logging the thing that did the actual taint |
| 08:30.46 | wereHamster | Dissonance, step=1 is implicit if you don't specify any step, so for i=1,#GKOS.list do --stuff end is enough |
| 08:31.16 | Dissonance | But it's ok to iterate through a table with that? |
| 08:31.22 | Wobin | hm new wine |
| 08:31.28 | reqol | if your keys are numerical, yes, as far I as know |
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| 08:31.42 | Wobin | ps, half hour full body thai massage for $35 is great =) |
| 08:31.54 | Tem | so |
| 08:31.57 | wereHamster | Dissonance, you may want to use for key, value in ipairs(GKOS.list) do --stuff end |
| 08:32.00 | Tem | I hate hardware problems |
| 08:32.04 | Tem | I'm hardware retarded |
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| 08:32.10 | Dissonance | Why wouldn't my keys be numeric? |
| 08:32.17 | Wobin | tardwared? |
| 08:32.22 | reqol | if you specify the keys yourself |
| 08:32.26 | Tem | Wobin, sure |
| 08:32.53 | Dissonance | So I shouldn't worry if I'm just using table.insert(table, addthis)? |
| 08:32.57 | Drundia | Xinhuan, from what I see in Blizzard code it seems that local somevar = securecall(GetInsecureVariable) won't cause any taint there |
| 08:33.20 | Tem | Drundia, unsecure code can never use securecall |
| 08:33.22 | reqol | I don't think so, no. |
| 08:33.23 | Tem | also, GOD DAMNIT |
| 08:33.30 | Xinhuan | securecall() is only callable from blizzard code |
| 08:33.31 | Tem | my laptop doesn't have you ignored |
| 08:33.33 | Xinhuan | so your point is moot |
| 08:33.47 | Drundia | yes blizzard securecall() won't be tainted |
| 08:33.51 | Tem | my pc shuts off without any kind of error beep or anything like that within ~20 seconds of turning it on |
| 08:33.57 | Tem | any thoughts |
| 08:33.59 | Drundia | not like it can be used anywhere |
| 08:34.16 | Drundia | not like you can bypass some security using that |
| 08:34.20 | Xinhuan | what i'm saying is that if i typed ChatFrame1.AddMessage = function() end |
| 08:34.24 | Dissonance | Laptop or desktop? |
| 08:34.28 | Tem | desktop |
| 08:34.30 | Xinhuan | that clearly replaces a secure function with my own empty function |
| 08:34.44 | Dissonance | Odd, removed the cmos battery? |
| 08:34.46 | wereHamster | Dissonance, if you have a table where you insert using table.insert(), then the ipairs() loop is the usual form of looping through it. |
| 08:34.50 | Tem | I had to move it earlier today so I figured I disturbed something |
| 08:34.52 | Xinhuan | but because ChatFrame1.AddMessage isn't in _G[], the process of replacing that isn't logged |
| 08:35.02 | Tem | Dissonance, I have not. I'm hardware retarded |
| 08:35.08 | Xinhuan | so its nearly impossible to track a taint |
| 08:35.10 | Drundia | it doesn't really, it creates entry instead of nil, but the process of replacing isn't logged indeed |
| 08:35.17 | reqol | wereHamster: #t is fairly unreliable, no? |
| 08:35.21 | Drundia | but if some blizzard function fails because of that |
| 08:35.32 | Drundia | it will log (?) |
| 08:35.34 | Dissonance | If you think something came unplugged, check that everything is physically connected securely. |
| 08:35.37 | Xinhuan | it'll just say XYZ addon caused the taint |
| 08:35.43 | Xinhuan | but since you don't know when XYZ tainted it |
| 08:35.46 | Xinhuan | it becomes a useless log |
| 08:35.47 | Tem | I've checked everything is physically connected |
| 08:35.49 | Dissonance | Does it post? |
| 08:36.05 | Drundia | oh stupid taint log |
| 08:36.08 | wereHamster | reqol, the point is that ipairs() will return you the index _and_ the value, so you don't have to do 'local value = table[i]' yourself |
| 08:36.17 | Drundia | ~fail taint log |
| 08:36.18 | purl | taint log, you Fail! |
| 08:36.18 | Xinhuan | rofl there's [The 2 Ring] on my realm's Auction House. the buyout price is 2222g |
| 08:36.51 | Drundia | it's standard price for 2 ring |
| 08:37.39 | Tem | Dissonance, it does |
| 08:37.51 | Tem | but everything shuts down usually about the time it gets to grub |
| 08:38.07 | Tem | (within 2 seconds of getting to grub or just before) |
| 08:38.19 | Dissonance | Unplug the HDD, see if it errors and stays on. |
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| 08:39.01 | Dissonance | If so, GRUB is turning it off. (though I don't see that being the case) |
| 08:39.22 | reqol | is PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED the standard for combat events? |
| 08:39.38 | Tem | grub is not doing it |
| 08:39.49 | Dissonance | Also, if you have a feature-filled BIOS, one that shows the voltage levels, check to see that they're all in-range. |
| 08:39.50 | Tem | I've gotten it beyond gru a few times |
| 08:39.53 | Xinhuan | that event fires just before you enter combat, where you are still allowed to do insecure stuff |
| 08:40.09 | Dissonance | Your motherboard may be turning it off to prevent over/under-voltage. |
| 08:40.43 | reqol | Xinhuan: thanks, just what i'm looking for |
| 08:40.53 | wereHamster | Tem, can you get into the bios and idle there for a bit to see if it depends on the runtime or not .. ? |
| 08:41.15 | wereHamster | or just pause the boot process somehow |
| 08:42.38 | Tem | it dies in bios too |
| 08:43.15 | Dissonance | Is smoke exiting the rear? |
| 08:43.37 | wereHamster | Fisker-, why?? |
| 08:43.52 | Dissonance | any "aftermarket lights" you don't recall being there? |
| 08:43.58 | Tem | lawl |
| 08:44.12 | Fisker- | because i'm evil wereHamster |
| 08:44.31 | wereHamster | ~Fisker- |
| 08:44.40 | wereHamster | ~emulate Fisker- |
| 08:44.41 | purl | it has been said that emulate fisker- is DISCLAIMER - The views of Fisker- do not necessarily represent this channel or its inhabitents. The Fisker- regularly browses 4chan looking for CP, or at least JB, and tries to convert more followers to his cause everyday. He says he's just a fan of "Captain Picard" and "Joe Bishop", but we know better, right? We think he's just here to try and get more CP, so watch out! - END DISCLAIMER |
| 08:45.35 | Drango | lol |
| 08:45.40 | Tem | I have tried reseating the ram and cpu |
| 08:45.42 | Tem | no change |
| 08:46.02 | wereHamster | overheating> |
| 08:46.23 | Tem | how could it be overheating? |
| 08:46.33 | Tem | that makes no sense |
| 08:46.38 | Dissonance | All that intensive POSTing, no doubt. |
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| 08:46.51 | Fisker- | i just LOVE stuff sometimes |
| 08:46.58 | Fisker- | "NEVER give out your password." |
| 08:47.06 | Fisker- | "Oh and btw, test your password here by entering it" |
| 08:47.39 | Dissonance | How would I use the loop index to access a row in the table in the code: for key, value in ipairs(GKOS.list) do --stuff end |
| 08:47.58 | wereHamster | value is your row |
| 08:48.09 | Dissonance | GKOS.list[value]? |
| 08:48.17 | wereHamster | key is the numerical index, value is GKOS.list[index] |
| 08:48.48 | Xinhuan | "key" and "value" are variables local to the loop |
| 08:48.51 | Dissonance | oh, value = GKOS.list[index] |
| 08:49.15 | Xinhuan | the relationship between them is simply that value == GKOS.list[key] |
| 08:49.23 | Tem | oh yeah |
| 08:49.23 | Tem | also |
| 08:49.29 | Tem | taking out the CMOS did nothing |
| 08:49.31 | Xinhuan | in this case, "key" is an integer |
| 08:49.34 | Tem | it's the same with it in and with it out |
| 08:49.51 | Dissonance | You really shouldn't power it on with the CMOS not in. |
| 08:50.03 | wereHamster | --> t={'1','2','3'} s="" for k,v in ipairs(t) do s = s..v end print(s) |
| 08:50.03 | batbot | wereHamster: 123 |
| 08:50.30 | Tem | *sigh* |
| 08:50.43 | Tem | it won't get past the bios screen |
| 08:50.55 | Dissonance | I think it's time to put it down. |
| 08:50.55 | reqol | Xinhuan: out of curiosity, what do you use to code your XML? |
| 08:51.01 | Xinhuan | notepad |
| 08:51.08 | wereHamster | .. time to get a new laptop |
| 08:51.09 | reqol | ;_; |
| 08:51.25 | reqol | are you that much of a masochist? |
| 08:51.34 | Xinhuan | only my old addons use XML, all my new ones don't |
| 08:51.37 | Dissonance | If it's lasting less and less time, it may actually be a heat issue. |
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| 08:51.51 | reqol | I see |
| 08:51.51 | Dissonance | What socket type is it? |
| 08:53.30 | Dissonance | This throws an error: for key, value in ipairs(GKOS.list) do print(value) end |
| 08:53.42 | Tem | 775 |
| 08:53.44 | wereHamster | which error? |
| 08:54.01 | Dissonance | Unexpected symbol near "for" |
| 08:54.14 | Drundia | speaking of XML and Lua, WTB access to templates from Lua |
| 08:54.29 | wereHamster | Dissonance, can you post the whole code to pastey.net? |
| 08:54.48 | Xinhuan | you have a an syntax error in a line above your for-loop |
| 08:55.07 | Dissonance | it's inside a function, the only thing above it is count = #GKOS.list; |
| 08:55.18 | reqol | is there anyway to reference a frame's children like a table? |
| 08:55.21 | Dissonance | But that's getting taken out anyway. |
| 08:55.24 | Xinhuan | then the syntax error is probably above that |
| 08:55.43 | Xinhuan | for example, a missing "end" from a previous if-then-else or function |
| 08:55.44 | Dissonance | And I'm not even calling the function, I'm just sending that one line in. |
| 08:55.48 | wereHamster | reqol, { frame:GetRegions() } ? |
| 08:56.17 | wereHamster | Dissonance, without seeing the whole code it's hard to diagnose the cause |
| 08:56.34 | Xinhuan | all i can say is, you have a syntax error in one of the lines above the for loop |
| 08:56.38 | Xinhuan | it can be 100 lines up |
| 08:57.35 | Dissonance | wereHamster, the only thing that is being called is |
| 08:57.48 | Drundia | reqol, or { frame:GetChildren() } depending on what exactly you want to get |
| 08:57.51 | Dissonance | ./dump for key, value in ipairs(GKOS.list) do print(key) end |
| 08:58.06 | Dissonance | And the only think it's accessing is my table, which has 3 values in it. |
| 08:58.08 | Dissonance | 3 strings. |
| 08:58.09 | Xinhuan | you can't /dump a for loop |
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| 08:58.20 | Xinhuan | you can only /dump a variable |
| 08:58.27 | wereHamster | ./run ... |
| 08:58.33 | wereHamster | or /script |
| 08:58.53 | Dissonance | ./script throws an error on print() |
| 08:59.02 | Xinhuan | because print() doesn't work in wow |
| 08:59.07 | Xinhuan | you use ChatFrame1:AddMessage() |
| 08:59.08 | wereHamster | because print() is not a function that wow provides |
| 08:59.19 | Drundia | or define print() for your own convenience |
| 08:59.31 | Dissonance | This however, does work: /script for key, value in ipairs(GKOS.list) do GKOS.AddMessage(value) end |
| 09:00.27 | wereHamster | just show us the damn code already.. ;) |
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| 09:01.05 | Tem | Dissonance, any other thoughts? |
| 09:01.37 | Dissonance | Is it getting past the BIOS again? |
| 09:01.41 | Tem | nope |
| 09:01.48 | Dissonance | Anything hot to the touch inside? |
| 09:01.51 | Tem | nope |
| 09:01.55 | Dissonance | Blown capacitors? |
| 09:02.04 | Tem | what would cause that? |
| 09:02.09 | Dissonance | Bad PSU |
| 09:02.15 | reqol | wereHamster: would GetRegions work for checkbuttons? |
| 09:02.27 | Tem | it's been working for a about 15 months |
| 09:02.32 | Tem | so um |
| 09:02.36 | Tem | *boggle* |
| 09:02.38 | Dissonance | What brand is the motherboard? |
| 09:02.42 | Tem | asus |
| 09:02.51 | Drundia | GetRegions() gets fontstrings and textures, GetChildren() gets all real frames |
| 09:02.57 | Dissonance | So the motherboard looks good? |
| 09:02.58 | wereHamster | reqol, regions are fontstrings and textures, child frames you get with :GetChildren() |
| 09:03.22 | reqol | thanks, I should have checked the page, first... sorry |
| 09:03.29 | Tem | aye, I can't see anything wrong with it |
| 09:03.52 | Dissonance | Do you have another PSU lying around? |
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| 09:04.45 | Tem | actually... I do |
| 09:05.09 | Dissonance | What kind of PSU is in the machine now? |
| 09:05.10 | Drundia | does WorldFrame have standard OnMouseUp and OnMouseDown handlers? if no any way to track down where they were set? |
| 09:05.23 | Tem | roswill |
| 09:05.31 | wereHamster | ~wdn |
| 09:05.32 | purl | World of Warcraft Developer Network, a website where you can see the changes made to WoW's interface files between versions and also where you can download said versions. http://wdn.wowinterface.com/ |
| 09:05.39 | Tem | rosewill* |
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| 09:05.53 | Xinhuan | yes it has them Drundia |
| 09:06.04 | Xinhuan | like an other frame |
| 09:06.06 | Xinhuan | any* |
| 09:06.34 | wereHamster | Drundia, see the wdn, or use the official wow addon toolkit to extract the interface files locally and then search through the files |
| 09:06.38 | Drundia | erhm... how would i say that... it has them :SetScript()'ed |
| 09:06.41 | Dissonance | I'm not usually quick to point fingers at particular pieces of hardware for their brands. I've got a no-name PSU that has been working fine for almost 3 years now. |
| 09:06.49 | Drundia | WorldFrame.xml and WorldFrame.lua don't set them |
| 09:06.55 | Drundia | would Blizzard set them in other file? |
| 09:07.06 | Tem | I've got a no name psu which I replaced with the one in there |
| 09:07.13 | wereHamster | Drundia, use grep or full-text search ;) |
| 09:07.13 | Dissonance | I just think it'd be more economical if the problem were in your PSU rather than the motherboard. |
| 09:07.18 | Tem | heh |
| 09:07.37 | Tem | well, for some reason I can't imagine that the problem is anything more than something trivial |
| 09:08.12 | Tem | removing the video card also has no effect |
| 09:09.02 | Dissonance | Does it keep resetting itself? Or does it power-down completely? |
| 09:09.11 | Tem | power down completely |
| 09:11.25 | Dissonance | I guess you never got the voltage readings from the BIOS? |
| 09:11.55 | Tem | never got that far |
| 09:12.16 | Dissonance | As hesitant as I am, I'm feeling pretty sure about the PSU going bad. |
| 09:12.28 | Dissonance | They don't usually go all at once like this. |
| 09:13.19 | Tem | well, when I first got home, I was able to get it to go all the way into windows |
| 09:13.32 | Tem | and it continued to work for ~2 hours |
| 09:13.41 | Tem | then I turned it off to put it back where it belongs |
| 09:14.03 | Tem | after that, it booted all the way to windows and died in the middle of logging in |
| 09:14.10 | Tem | since then, it hasn't gotten past grub |
| 09:15.09 | Dissonance | I'd definitely try another PSU, if only to prove/disprove the current leading theory. |
| 09:17.13 | Dissonance | Can I call GameTooltip:AddLine() in side the function triggered on PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED ? |
| 09:17.45 | wereHamster | yes |
| 09:18.02 | Dissonance | It's certainly not adding anything to the tooltip. |
| 09:18.27 | Drundia | that means that after you :AddLine() something calls :Set*() |
| 09:18.59 | Dissonance | I don't follow. |
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| 09:19.55 | wereHamster | after you call :AddLine(), some other addon calls :SetUnit() for example, clearing the whole tooltip including your added line |
| 09:20.20 | Dissonance | Well it adds it, while hovering over that unit. |
| 09:20.36 | Dissonance | How can I make it AddLine for that unit every time the tooltip is created? |
| 09:21.48 | Drundia | :SetScript("OnTooltipSetUnit",func) |
| 09:22.12 | Drundia | or :HookScript("OnTooltipSetUnit",func) |
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| 09:23.14 | Dissonance | What is it a member of? Nothing preceeds the colon? |
| 09:23.43 | wereHamster | your tooltip of course |
| 09:24.19 | Dissonance | func is the function I call to add the lines of text? |
| 09:24.48 | wereHamster | func is the function that will be called when someone does tooltip:SetUnit) |
| 09:25.12 | Tem | well shit |
| 09:25.24 | leethal | what's HookScript? It takes care of keeping the current GetScript and calling it as well as your own function? |
| 09:25.27 | Tem | it doesn't appear to be turning off with the second hdd |
| 09:25.28 | Tem | er |
| 09:25.30 | Tem | second psu |
| 09:25.42 | Tem | but I get nothing on screen |
| 09:25.54 | Dissonance | You took the video card out, did you not? |
| 09:26.13 | wereHamster | leethal, I guess it prevents tainting... |
| 09:26.14 | AnduinLothar | 1850 :) ret/ms/restosham |
| 09:26.33 | Tem | Dissonance, I put it back in a while back |
| 09:26.34 | Tem | also |
| 09:26.38 | AnduinLothar | took to long tho. shouldn't have taken us 50 games |
| 09:26.44 | Tem | once I replugged the hdd, I got picture again |
| 09:26.55 | Tem | also, it shutdown again |
| 09:27.03 | Tem | so changing the psu did nothing |
| 09:27.19 | Dissonance | Maybe another piece of hardware is shorting out. |
| 09:27.42 | Dissonance | Any PCI cards? |
| 09:27.51 | Tem | none |
| 09:28.26 | Dissonance | Tried booting with only one HDD, no optical drives? |
| 09:28.57 | Tem | just disconnected the dvd drive to see |
| 09:29.03 | Tem | shit |
| 09:29.05 | Dissonance | Actually, just unplug everything except the motherboard. |
| 09:29.07 | Tem | there goes my laptop battery |
| 09:29.23 | Tem | dvd drive: no effect |
| 09:29.32 | Dissonance | Isolating the problem is the real issue at hand. |
| 09:30.46 | Tem | trying with no ram |
| 09:30.48 | Dissonance | Where would I call GameTooltip:SetScript("OnTooltipSetUnit",func); ? |
| 09:31.30 | Antiarc | I wrote a chat mod. |
| 09:31.32 | Antiarc | It's pretty awesome. |
| 09:31.35 | Antiarc | You should all use it. |
| 09:31.37 | Antiarc | </story> |
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| 09:32.13 | wereHamster | Dissonance, when your addon loads |
| 09:33.00 | Dissonance | So I should be doing all the unitname("target") == any row in my table checks in that function? |
| 09:33.16 | Dissonance | Actually, is there a unitname for mouseOver ? |
| 09:33.48 | wereHamster | there is one, did you try "mouseover"? |
| 09:34.10 | Tem | taking out the ram has no effect either |
| 09:34.27 | Tem | (tried with no ram and with each stick alone) |
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| 09:37.08 | Dissonance | ./dump unitname("target") isn't returning anything anymore. |
| 09:37.59 | Dissonance | Actually it's returning value=unitname("target") |
| 09:38.19 | Dissonance | Which is equally worthless to me. |
| 09:38.47 | Tem | UnitName |
| 09:38.52 | Drundia | UnitName is also case-sensitive |
| 09:39.07 | wereHamster | lua in it's whole is case-sensitive |
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| 09:43.34 | Tem | okay, there's nothing plugged into the hdd |
| 09:43.45 | Tem | s/hdd/motherboard |
| 09:43.49 | Tem | s/hdd/motherboard/ |
| 09:43.51 | Tem | >< |
| 09:44.30 | Tem | there's nothing plugged into the motherboard except power, ram, video card and power buttons |
| 09:44.39 | Tem | still dies |
| 09:44.50 | Dissonance | And the CPU, I hope. |
| 09:44.55 | Tem | ah well yes |
| 09:45.03 | Tem | oh, and the cpu fan |
| 09:45.29 | Dissonance | Did anything generate an error? Perhaps when you tried without any ram? |
| 09:45.41 | Tem | without ram, I didn't even get a picture |
| 09:45.56 | Tem | also, without ram, the video card's fan went nuts |
| 09:46.54 | zenzio | did you try without the video card? |
| 09:46.58 | Dissonance | Does the motherboard have any jumpers? A little retro, but I guess you never know. |
| 09:47.08 | Tem | not that I know of |
| 09:48.51 | Dissonance | Why would table.insert(GKOSConfig.list, name); throw an error? |
| 09:48.59 | Dissonance | Tells me I'm giving it a bad argument. |
| 09:49.07 | Dissonance | I supplied a string. |
| 09:49.13 | reqol | does anyone here play on stormrage? |
| 09:49.14 | Tem | .list isn't a table |
| 09:49.34 | Dissonance | GKOSConfig.list = {} |
| 09:50.06 | Tem | the only way it would error was if your list was nil |
| 09:50.14 | Dissonance | The list is completely empty. |
| 09:50.22 | reqol | or malfurion? |
| 09:50.23 | Dissonance | But it is a table. |
| 09:50.32 | Tem | what's the error exactly? |
| 09:52.11 | Dissonance | I don't know much about the scope resolution, but I believe that might be the problem. |
| 09:52.11 | Snago | Dissonance: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ <-- Paste us your code |
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| 09:52.12 | Dissonance | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/85527 |
| 09:52.41 | Dissonance | table expected, got nil. (Exactly as you said earlier) |
| 09:53.09 | Dissonance | I think it's scope, but how do I resolve the scope to include GKOSConfig? |
| 09:54.06 | Snago | Does GKOS.VARIABLES_LOADED() run at all? |
| 09:54.23 | Dissonance | Sure, whenever the variables get loaded. |
| 09:54.41 | wereHamster | if ( not GKOSConfig.list or type(GKOSConfig.list) ~= "table" ) |
| 09:56.05 | wereHamster | also, when did you get that error (table expected, got nil)? on which line in your code? |
| 09:56.49 | Tem | um |
| 09:56.57 | Tem | I think I see your problem |
| 09:57.16 | Tem | is your GKOSConfig a saved variable? |
| 09:57.41 | Tem | oh, nevermind that |
| 10:00.22 | Tem | looks more like your error is happening before VARS_LOADED |
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| 10:01.26 | Dissonance | IRC isn't really my thing. What is that? |
| 10:01.26 | Dolby | mmmm a banana netsplit |
| 10:01.26 | Dolby | freenode is made up of many different servers |
| 10:01.26 | Dolby | when the links between the servers go down its a netsplit |
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| 10:01.26 | Dissonance | So there's another copy of #WoWUIDev on some server not connected to us? |
| 10:01.26 | Dissonance | With some stranded users? |
| 10:01.26 | Tem | not anymore |
| 10:01.27 | tlund | Dissonance: for a short period of time, yes. |
| 10:01.27 | Tem | and from their point of view, we're the stranded users =P |
| 10:01.48 | Dissonance | I see. |
| 10:02.15 | Dissonance | Either way though, how can I globalize the scope for my config variable so it can be accessed anywhere? |
| 10:02.27 | Tem | if it's not explicitly declared a local, it's global |
| 10:02.53 | Dissonance | So why am I getting a nil error on this global table? |
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| 10:03.17 | Dissonance | I can /dump out the table, but when I attempt to add to it, it throws an error. |
| 10:03.18 | reqol | which reminds me, I'm not all that keen on scope, is there a specific trick to passing a local variable up one scope? I'm guessing function returns are a common way |
| 10:04.54 | Dissonance | I can add it manually through /dump table.insert(GKOSConfig.list, "SomeName"); |
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| 10:05.57 | Tem | Dissonance, add a DevTools_Dump(GKOSConfig) above the line that gives that error |
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| 10:07.07 | Dissonance | By the way, DevTools is really out of date. Is there a more recent version? |
| 10:08.05 | Tem | there's been a new version since 2.4 |
| 10:08.12 | Tem | however, dump hasn't changed in a year |
| 10:08.12 | zenzio | ~devtools |
| 10:08.13 | purl | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? |
| 10:08.14 | Dissonance | Output: list = {} |
| 10:08.14 | Tem | at least |
| 10:08.35 | zenzio | looks recent enough |
| 10:08.44 | Tem | the following things are plugged into the motherboard |
| 10:09.02 | Tem | CPU, CPU fan, Motherboard main power, Motherboard secondary power |
| 10:09.15 | Tem | power switch |
| 10:09.47 | Tem | I can only tell the machine is on at all by watching the cpu fan |
| 10:09.52 | Tem | (no ram in it) |
| 10:09.58 | Tem | (just, btw) |
| 10:10.00 | Tem | still dies |
| 10:10.06 | Tem | within ~15 seconds |
| 10:10.15 | zenzio | no beeping noise codes from when it tries to boot? |
| 10:10.20 | Tem | nothing |
| 10:10.35 | zenzio | sounds like there's a chance the motherboard is bad then |
| 10:10.43 | reqol | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info3999-DevTools.html |
| 10:10.57 | reqol | woah |
| 10:10.57 | Dissonance | Do you even have the annoying speaker installed? |
| 10:11.11 | reqol | I just got ~15 or so messages in a split second |
| 10:11.24 | Dissonance | We type fast. |
| 10:11.32 | reqol | no kidding o_o |
| 10:11.53 | zenzio | BIOS beeps don't use PC speaker |
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| 10:12.20 | Dissonance | They don't? This is news to me. |
| 10:12.28 | Dissonance | Where do the beeps come from then? |
| 10:12.37 | zenzio | I've not had PC speaker connected for 5+ years, and I still get the BIOS beeps |
| 10:12.56 | Dissonance | Some motherboards have them soldered onto the actual PCB. |
| 10:13.21 | zenzio | connected was the wrong word; I meant enabled |
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| 10:13.43 | Dissonance | I don't see how you can disable it. |
| 10:14.00 | Dissonance | It's only purpose is to beep on errors. |
| 10:14.18 | zenzio | I may be mistaken but I seem to recall my BIOS offering a simple setting |
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| 10:14.39 | Dissonance | Any beeping outside of that (be it the OS from holding down to many keys, or whatever) is clearly up to the OS. |
| 10:14.42 | zenzio | at any rate I think the setting is to disallow the OSes from using it |
| 10:15.17 | Dissonance | Perhaps, I'm pretty sure disabling the beeping from the BIOS would be detrimental to any hardware troubleshooting. |
| 10:15.32 | zenzio | that's what I'm trying to tell you |
| 10:15.47 | Dissonance | I understand. |
| 10:15.48 | zenzio | I think the BIOS ignores any such setting, only applies it to events it hasn't generated itself |
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| 10:15.59 | Dissonance | It would make sense. |
| 10:16.06 | Dissonance | This is all beside the point. |
| 10:16.19 | Dissonance | Tem, do you have a PC speaker at all? |
| 10:17.07 | Tem | can't tell |
| 10:17.15 | Tem | remember I'm hardware retarded |
| 10:17.29 | Dissonance | Black cylinder, about 1/2" tall? |
| 10:17.32 | zenzio | did you normally get any sounds when it was booting? |
| 10:17.34 | Dissonance | anywhere on the board? |
| 10:17.58 | Dissonance | (I realize this is VERY vague after reading it) |
| 10:18.07 | Tem | no |
| 10:18.22 | Dissonance | Any pins on the board that say Speaker |
| 10:18.35 | Dissonance | well, that are labeled accordingly. |
| 10:18.40 | Tem | there are roughly 20 black cylinders, btw |
| 10:18.44 | Tem | =P |
| 10:19.37 | Dissonance | The one you'll be looking for is short and stubby, with a circle cut out of the top, where it drops down. |
| 10:19.48 | Dissonance | The one that isn't a capacitor. |
| 10:20.22 | Tem | all capacitors |
| 10:20.37 | Dissonance | How about the pins. Any there? |
| 10:20.49 | Dissonance | It'll be around where the power buttons connect, generally. |
| 10:20.49 | Tem | don't see any |
| 10:20.57 | Dissonance | Any unused pins? |
| 10:21.33 | Tem | several |
| 10:21.44 | Dissonance | Any of them labeled "SPEAKER" |
| 10:21.48 | Tem | no |
| 10:21.58 | Tem | spif_out is the closet |
| 10:22.01 | Tem | closest* |
| 10:22.15 | Dissonance | I'm at a loss. |
| 10:22.52 | Dissonance | It's 6:20 AM, I've got a class at 9, and I still haven't slept. This may be hindering any technical prowess I (may) have had to offer. |
| 10:24.45 | Dissonance | Either way, the class is C++ and I honestly don't think I'm missing out on much in the sense of learning. But I am going to go to sleep. |
| 10:25.14 | Dissonance | Sorry I couldn't pinpoint the problem. |
| 10:27.24 | reqol | night : ) |
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| 10:37.40 | Tem | hmm |
| 10:38.19 | amro | I hate printers |
| 10:38.32 | Antiarc | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=12738.msg202308#msg202308 <-- go break my new mod please. |
| 10:41.37 | Tem | WArning! Now System is in Safe Mode. |
| 10:41.50 | Tem | Please re-setting CPU or Memory Frequency in the CMOS setup |
| 10:42.46 | Tem | SPU Temp 55* C |
| 10:42.54 | Tem | CPU |
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| 10:54.19 | Tem | so... |
| 10:54.25 | Tem | I made it into windows again |
| 10:54.42 | Tem | I am officially aboggle |
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| 11:03.40 | wereHamster | Tem, what was it? overheating? |
| 11:03.53 | tardmrr | no idea |
| 11:04.15 | Tem | last thing I did before it worked was reseat the cpu and cpu fan |
| 11:04.29 | Tem | ...lol |
| 11:04.38 | Tem | windows has decided that I have installed a floopy drive |
| 11:04.42 | Tem | I have no such thing |
| 11:05.11 | amro | maybe it got enabled in CMOS |
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| 11:33.33 | Tem | well, I think it's 'fixed' |
| 11:33.38 | Tem | I have no idea what I did |
| 11:33.46 | Tem | but nothing's blown up |
| 11:34.30 | haste | just wait till you log out! |
| 11:34.47 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm not supposed to be awake for another ~6h |
| 11:34.58 | ScytheBlade1 | But I've gotta say, ghost floppy drives = awesome |
| 11:37.50 | Tem | ScytheBlade1, yeah um |
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| 11:37.56 | Tem | I still haven't figured that part out yet |
| 11:38.20 | Tem | my best guess is that the bios is confused because I took out the CMOS battery |
| 11:40.17 | teenee | *quick lua question* given a list, say x={1,2}, how can i quickly check if a variables, y=1, value matches any in the list? so that if (exp) evaluates to true? |
| 11:40.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Remember that floppy drive or no, you've still got a controller on-board. Nuking the CMOS and resetting it to "hey there is a floppy installed" will indeed show in the OS as having a floppy installed |
| 11:41.00 | ScytheBlade1 | (Because technically there is) |
| 11:42.41 | Tem | (define (contains lst x) (if (null? lst) #f (if (= (car lst) x) #t (contains (cdr lst) x)))) |
| 11:45.02 | leethal | teenee: gotta iterate it I guess |
| 11:45.39 | Tem | hey, my way works |
| 11:46.08 | Tem | > (contains '(1 2 3 4) 4) |
| 11:46.08 | Tem | #t |
| 11:46.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem: it's either the sleep depreviation or stomach acid, but holy crap, what are you on? o_0 |
| 11:46.24 | Tem | scheme, brah |
| 11:46.29 | amro | lualisp = |
| 11:46.30 | ScytheBlade1 | "brah" |
| 11:46.31 | leethal | Tem: oh that was lua? Looks like lisp to me =D |
| 11:46.38 | Tem | it's scheme |
| 11:46.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah I'm totally going back to sleep |
| 11:46.44 | leethal | link or it didn't happen imo |
| 11:47.06 | Tem | ScytheBlade1, =P |
| 11:47.18 | ScytheBlade1 | I think I've got three hours of sleep |
| 11:47.30 | leethal | so you can use Lisp in wow addons? |
| 11:47.34 | leethal | or, 'scheme'? |
| 11:47.34 | ScytheBlade1 | I normally don't wake up until ~10:30 or so, and today, that was 3:15 |
| 11:47.43 | Tem | as soon as I think of a sane way to implement the Cons construct in lua without using 10,000 tables I'm going to write a scheme interpreter in lua |
| 11:47.56 | Tem | leethal, of course you can't |
| 11:48.08 | JoshBorke | tem: diaf |
| 11:48.12 | leethal | rawr |
| 11:48.12 | krka | unless you write a scheme 'terp in lua |
| 11:48.28 | Tem | krka, at some point, I want to do just that |
| 11:48.48 | krka | scheme -> lua code compiler or a full vm? |
| 11:48.53 | teenee | tem: does lua eat s-expressions or whut? :S |
| 11:48.58 | Tem | scheme -> lua, really |
| 11:49.07 | Tem | so that it wouldn't need to be interpreted every time |
| 11:49.16 | krka | you could make cons with closures |
| 11:49.28 | Tem | well, a VM might do, but then I'd need to generate some intermediate code |
| 11:49.44 | Tem | which would really just be the same as interpreting every time it's run >< |
| 11:49.52 | Tem | krka, same difference |
| 11:50.05 | krka | as tables? |
| 11:50.09 | krka | i think a closure is more lightweight |
| 11:50.20 | Tem | Iriel tested this once |
| 11:50.34 | Tem | but I don't remember what his result was |
| 11:51.08 | Tem | I wanna say it was something like a closure is faster at returning 9 or more values than indexing a table 9 or more times |
| 11:51.20 | leethal | teenee: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/85532 |
| 11:53.11 | Tem | anyway, I don't think it's going to be a solution to what I want to use it for |
| 11:53.29 | Tem | so I'll probably end up designing my own language around the limitation of lua |
| 11:53.58 | teenee | thanks leethal :) |
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| 11:54.53 | Tem | okay, off to attempt sleep |
| 11:55.04 | Tem | keeping fingers crossed that my system is still in one peice when I wake up |
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| 12:59.45 | sag_ich_nicht | LOL @ xkcd |
| 12:59.52 | sag_ich_nicht | best xkcd ever |
| 13:00.35 | Polarina | sag_ich_nicht: Has it been anything else than the best? |
| 13:01.36 | sag_ich_nicht | ~ignore Polarina |
| 13:01.37 | purl | ACTION sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, Polarina!" |
| 13:10.59 | Saint-N | http://60minutes.yahoo.com/segment/158/derek |
| 13:13.41 | Saint-N | any time you incorporate calvin and hobbes into your stick man web comic and mimic the style well enough it means instant win pola ;P |
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| 13:21.48 | Wobin | oh jesus christ |
| 13:21.53 | Wobin | this kid is GOOD |
| 13:22.42 | Saint-N | yeah |
| 13:22.47 | Saint-N | THAT is a savant |
| 13:22.56 | Saint-N | all the clips are amazing |
| 13:23.30 | Wobin | I love Fur Elise ala Mozart |
| 13:24.02 | Saint-N | yup |
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| 13:30.27 | Wobin | is 60min really just 1:30 min clips tied together by ads? =P |
| 13:33.05 | Saint-N | heh yup |
| 13:33.22 | Snago | When they show 60min in my contry it's only 40 minutes long :P |
| 13:33.39 | Saint-N | its like the comedy show This hour has 22minutes |
| 13:33.51 | Saint-N | which the actual show run time for a half hour show |
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| 15:17.41 | Saint-N | so quiet |
| 15:19.01 | Saint-N | ninja |
| 15:19.26 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. |
| 15:19.38 | Lopeppeppy | Seerah didn't need that gold anyway, and I need my epic mount! |
| 15:19.53 | Saint-N | i got yer epic mount right here! |
| 15:19.55 | Saint-N | ;) |
| 15:20.08 | Saint-N | it's at least 280% faster than your old mount ;) |
| 15:20.24 | Saint-N | ~rimshot |
| 15:20.24 | purl | ba-dum CHH |
| 15:21.18 | Lopeppeppy | Saint-N! *laugh* |
| 15:21.32 | Lopeppeppy | Considering I have no "mount" at the moment though, it's not hard to claim to be faster! |
| 15:22.10 | Saint-N | but 280% faster than 0 |
| 15:22.14 | Saint-N | is still 0! |
| 15:22.33 | Seerah | you looted me, Lopeppeppy?!?!? |
| 15:23.03 | Saint-N | it was hot |
| 15:23.06 | Saint-N | i have video |
| 15:23.28 | Seerah | :( |
| 15:23.36 | Seerah | hehe |
| 15:23.57 | Seerah | I don't have my epic flier yet - how am I supposed to pay for that now? |
| 15:24.05 | Lopeppeppy | You can share mine? :P |
| 15:24.07 | Saint-N | portions of the video sales |
| 15:24.14 | Seerah | what's my cut? |
| 15:24.25 | Saint-N | wow i read THAT wrong |
| 15:24.29 | Lopeppeppy | Anyone have a link to the Sunwell badge loot? I have no idea what to buy, we don't have our vendor yet bt I want to plan. |
| 15:24.33 | Lopeppeppy | Saint-N! *laugh* |
| 15:24.55 | Seerah | http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=25046#sells:0+10+1 |
| 15:25.52 | Lopeppeppy | <3 for Seerah, thank you! |
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| 15:37.47 | Lopeppeppy | Ow? |
| 15:37.52 | Bela|work | moo |
| 15:38.01 | End | wow started lagging hard core when I went into arena |
| 15:38.02 | Bela|work | meow? |
| 15:41.10 | Saint-N | that was your "suck" trying to catch up |
| 15:41.16 | cog|work | Rawr |
| 15:45.41 | Lopeppeppy | Purr. |
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| 15:46.17 | Fix[EJ] | There has to some place to at least learn some basic typography, I really need to find some nice fonts for my interface. |
| 15:47.44 | Saint-N | clearfonts2 for the formatting |
| 15:47.51 | Saint-N | and just do a search for free fonts ; |
| 15:47.52 | Saint-N | ) |
| 15:50.09 | Fix[EJ] | Haha, its not the acquiring of the fonts (nor the installing them) |
| 15:50.26 | Fix[EJ] | It's just...difficult to find a font that flows well with everything. |
| 15:50.52 | Lopeppeppy | That's always a matter of personal preference. It's not a science, it's art. |
| 15:50.53 | pastamancer | you want to learn about kearning and ligatures and all that, or just find a font that fits your style? |
| 15:51.17 | Fix[EJ] | But its totally a science, Lopeppeppy! |
| 15:51.43 | ralfWORK | so, I think I'm going to spend some badges on haste loot |
| 15:51.59 | Fix[EJ] | I would love to actually learning about all the detailed intracacies of fonts, just for the sake of knowing the history of some of the badass fonts out there. |
| 15:52.08 | Saint-N | science IS art |
| 15:52.14 | Saint-N | and art IS science |
| 15:52.25 | Saint-N | its logic and religion that arent interchangable |
| 15:52.31 | ralfWORK | lol |
| 15:52.34 | Fix[EJ] | But, in general, a tyopgraphy class is something everyone should take at some point in their life. |
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| 15:52.50 | Saint-N | why? |
| 15:52.51 | ralfWORK | but.. but... my god created your evolution? |
| 15:52.52 | kergoth | i'd like to know just what fonts are good for what.. i mean, i know serifs are generally used for documents and sans for headers and titles and such, but thats about it |
| 15:52.56 | Saint-N | we have font preview in Word ;P |
| 15:53.05 | Lopeppeppy | I'd rather take a class in creative ground glass gargling? *shrug* |
| 15:53.23 | Fix[EJ] | Knowing what font to use where, in anything, can have a dramatic effect on its presentation...it can be utilized by pretty much anyone in any situation. |
| 15:53.35 | Saint-N | you can double major that with underwater basket weaving or wood welding peppy |
| 15:53.41 | dylanm | COMIC SANS |
| 15:53.42 | Fix[EJ] | haha |
| 15:53.44 | Saint-N | thats called marketing |
| 15:53.50 | kergoth | ~whalestab dylanm |
| 15:53.51 | purl | ACTION stabs dylanm with a rather narrow and pointy whale named Montgomery |
| 15:53.51 | Saint-N | not typography |
| 15:53.54 | kergoth | take that! |
| 15:53.59 | dylanm | COMIC SANS MS |
| 15:54.10 | Fix[EJ] | Not really, Saint-N. |
| 15:54.14 | pastamancer | Fix[EJ]: http://www.microsoft.com/typography/glossary/content.htm |
| 15:54.25 | pastamancer | that's a pretty gentle introduction |
| 15:54.25 | ralfWORK | typography really is going to be a lost art soon, I think |
| 15:54.33 | dylanm | Not at all. |
| 15:54.49 | cog|work | ralfWORK: no... but very exclusive |
| 15:54.53 | Fix[EJ] | I know it might not sound like much to someone who cares/knows very little about tyography...but there is quite literally a vast sea of information on the tiniest details of each letter that go into (most) fonts. |
| 15:55.21 | cog|work | i love typography |
| 15:55.22 | Saint-N | without illuminations it's pointless! |
| 15:55.31 | ralfWORK | cog|work: well, aight. very exclusive |
| 15:55.43 | dylanm | It's sort of... I can see your point ralfWORK in that a lot of content is just being thrown up on the web. |
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| 15:56.01 | ralfWORK | dylanm: I don't know any web people that have a solid background in typography |
| 15:56.03 | dylanm | And the CSS support is uh not there yet. And even when it is it's hard for most people to care. |
| 15:56.05 | ralfWORK | (myself included) |
| 15:56.18 | Polarina | I got a Lua error: "memory allocation error: block too big" in-game... |
| 15:56.27 | Saint-N | and its mostly subjective for what you're reading as well as the topic |
| 15:56.33 | ralfWORK | actually wait.. ALA has some info on it. Other than that, that's it |
| 15:56.34 | cog|work | Polarina: O.o |
| 15:56.44 | Saint-N | what is an appealing layout for most might be offenseive for some |
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| 15:57.14 | Saint-N | its mostly like ui compilations |
| 15:57.19 | Polarina | cog|work: That's the entire message, no other information is provided... :S |
| 15:57.22 | cog|work | Saint-N: what looks like cool special effects might be seizure-inducing for some |
| 15:57.24 | Saint-N | nothing new except a different addon, colour or font |
| 15:57.31 | Saint-N | cog|work: yup |
| 15:57.47 | ralfWORK | all that is true, but is kinda edge case |
| 15:57.53 | Saint-N | but looking at the marketing coupe that was for pokemon ;) |
| 15:58.17 | cog|work | Polarina: that's not really a normal lua error... |
| 15:58.18 | Saint-N | -ing |
| 15:58.33 | Lopeppeppy | Anyone who uses footnotes on a web page should be shot. |
| 15:58.39 | Fix[EJ] | Oh, well of course Saint-N, but that applies to practically everything (even things that should have nothing to do with aesthetics). |
| 15:58.39 | Polarina | cog|work: I got it in-game in a window that pops-up for Lua errors. |
| 15:58.40 | cog|work | sounds like you might be bumping your virtual memory limit |
| 15:58.50 | ralfWORK | *nod* |
| 15:58.53 | cog|work | Polarina: yes, it came from the lua subsystem but it was a memory allocation error |
| 15:58.55 | Polarina | cog|work: I have 4 GiB memory and 12 GiB virtual... |
| 15:59.04 | ralfWORK | lol@GiB |
| 15:59.55 | wereHamster | how come so much virtual? do you have that much swap? |
| 16:00.05 | Polarina | wereHamster: Yes. |
| 16:00.11 | ralfWORK | ...why? |
| 16:00.24 | Polarina | No idea. |
| 16:00.39 | Saint-N | Fix[EJ]: but the general web rule is BIG HEADER medium sized text for starter paragraph then regular font |
| 16:00.53 | Saint-N | font plays very little in it because that involves a choice |
| 16:00.58 | Saint-N | and people hate making choices |
| 16:00.58 | wereHamster | swap used to be important years ago, but now when you have 4GB of ram you _don't_ want to swap anything out onto the disk |
| 16:01.12 | wereHamster | it slows things down |
| 16:01.18 | Polarina | wereHamster: It only swaps when it's out of physical memory. |
| 16:01.27 | ralfWORK | actually, that's a bit false |
| 16:01.34 | Polarina | wereHamster: Otherwise, the swap usage is 0 bytes. :) |
| 16:01.43 | cog|work | wtb more upstream bandwidth at home |
| 16:02.07 | ralfWORK | iirc, virtual memory management systems actually swap out regardless of available free physical memory |
| 16:02.19 | Polarina | ralfWORK: Windows does that.. |
| 16:02.32 | ralfWORK | linux does too, iirc |
| 16:02.42 | Polarina | ralfWORK: You recall wrong then. |
| 16:03.33 | ralfWORK | *shrug* |
| 16:03.37 | ralfWORK | I have 3m free on this box |
| 16:03.46 | ralfWORK | and about 250m of swap used |
| 16:04.01 | wereHamster | how much ram? |
| 16:04.02 | deltron | Host 'ghidora', running Linux 2.6.22-14-386 - Cpu0: Celeron 797 MHz; Up: 12d+13:23; Users: 10; Load: 0.75; Free: [Mem: 11/249 Mio] [Swap: 630/729 Mio] [/: 13125/36846 Mio]; Vpenis: 27.9 cm; |
| 16:04.14 | Fix[EJ] | Saint-N: Once again, I completely agree. But to say that pretty much any top 50 web development company / marketing company / general Forbes500 company doesn't have some typography expert sitting behind some cubicle stressing over every little serif and kerning |
| 16:04.29 | ralfWORK | doesn't matter how much ram I have, honestly |
| 16:04.35 | Lopeppeppy | RAM is for the weak. |
| 16:05.09 | wereHamster | exactly, there are linux distros that can run entirely in L3 cache of the CPU... |
| 16:05.10 | Polarina | deltron: If it does swap something, it doesn't swap it out unless the program wants to access that piece of swapped memory. |
| 16:05.49 | deltron | I don't notice any performance loss with swap and stuff honestly |
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| 16:05.57 | Polarina | deltron: :) |
| 16:06.00 | deltron | but this is a celeron 800MHz running console only :P |
| 16:06.25 | ralfWORK | man you're smokin |
| 16:06.31 | ralfWORK | I'm on a 700mhz p3 here |
| 16:06.47 | Polarina | 2400 MHz Core 2 Quad Q6600 |
| 16:06.48 | deltron | your p3 would best my celeron |
| 16:07.05 | ralfWORK | perhaps, I doubt it though |
| 16:07.13 | ralfWORK | 256mb ram btw |
| 16:07.51 | Saint-N | stop |
| 16:07.56 | Saint-N | collaborate and listen |
| 16:07.59 | deltron | I got the same heh |
| 16:08.01 | ralfWORK | rofl |
| 16:08.02 | Saint-N | ice is back with a brand new edition |
| 16:11.42 | Fix[EJ] | I actually found a font that I really like...its just terrible because it has no capitalized letters. They're all lowercase :[ |
| 16:12.09 | Cide | qq |
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| 16:13.55 | Valaron|Work | tgif |
| 16:14.26 | ralfWORK | Valaron|Work: amen to that |
| 16:14.37 | Valaron|Work | It's been a long week. |
| 16:15.23 | Lopeppeppy | Damn long stupid frellin' week. |
| 16:15.43 | ralfWORK | I wonder what the chances are of me getting into a ZA run this weekend with a T5 guild |
| 16:15.54 | Valaron|Work | 0% ? |
| 16:16.05 | ralfWORK | probably |
| 16:17.47 | ralfWORK | I just don't wanna keep messing around with the stupid animal bosses |
| 16:18.25 | ralfWORK | and that seems to be what T4 guilds end up doing; messing around with animal bosses |
| 16:19.21 | Drundia | only T6 guilds aren't messing with animal bosses |
| 16:20.05 | ralfWORK | o rly? |
| 16:22.30 | Lopeppeppy | What do you call an "animal boss", btw? |
| 16:22.36 | ralfWORK | first 4 |
| 16:23.37 | nevcairiel | we took the animal bosses down pretty good with our T4 group, but failed horribly on hexlord |
| 16:23.41 | nevcairiel | i blame our healers, though |
| 16:24.01 | ralfWORK | I've seen 3/4 of them die |
| 16:24.18 | nevcairiel | on which do you fail? |
| 16:24.27 | nevcairiel | lynx? |
| 16:24.38 | ralfWORK | oh, we never attempted uhm... |
| 16:24.56 | ralfWORK | whatever the one past Nalorakk is |
| 16:25.16 | nevcairiel | the dragonhawk i suppose |
| 16:25.17 | ralfWORK | half-ass attempted the trash one night |
| 16:25.25 | ralfWORK | when we had 9 ppl |
| 16:25.30 | nevcairiel | the trash is a bitch |
| 16:25.31 | ralfWORK | at the end of a raid |
| 16:25.35 | nevcairiel | the boss too :P |
| 16:25.45 | ralfWORK | and now I'm guildless |
| 16:25.51 | ralfWORK | and don't feel like throwing together a PUG |
| 16:26.57 | nevcairiel | not the best situation to hope for a T5 ZA run |
| 16:27.02 | ralfWORK | nope! |
| 16:27.15 | ralfWORK | I don't mind PUGing farmed content |
| 16:27.24 | ralfWORK | I don't want to do it for new content though |
| 16:29.06 | ralfWORK | guess I'll just keep up the dailies |
| 16:29.14 | ralfWORK | gotta get my fast bird :P |
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| 16:29.58 | ralfWORK | hmmm... 1 day, 8 hours till badge vendor |
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| 16:31.13 | Fix[EJ] | We got ours this morning and Primal Life went from ~12g per to 35g per overnight. |
| 16:31.18 | Fix[EJ] | Time to make some bank. |
| 16:31.32 | ralfWORK | no shit? |
| 16:31.34 | ralfWORK | damn |
| 16:31.45 | ralfWORK | I guess because of enchants? |
| 16:34.21 | Fix[EJ] | Yeah |
| 16:34.26 | ralfWORK | dang |
| 16:34.34 | ralfWORK | I'd better make sure I got my enchants inline then |
| 16:34.46 | Fix[EJ] | Primal Mana hasn't moved much, which leads to suggest the healer Badge pants are very good, or the caster Badge pants are terrible. |
| 16:34.49 | Fix[EJ] | Yes, do indeed. |
| 16:35.15 | ralfWORK | I need a soulfrost |
| 16:35.44 | ralfWORK | might as well buy mats for 2 or 3 of them and see if I can make some bank |
| 16:36.41 | ralfWORK | anything else jump over night aside from life? |
| 16:37.11 | Fix[EJ] | LPS jumped quite a bit, 20 -> 30 |
| 16:37.16 | ralfWORK | hmm k |
| 16:37.30 | ralfWORK | on my server, voids are still dirty cheap |
| 16:37.34 | Fix[EJ] | Be careful though, this is all Mal'Ganis specific, it could be completely opposite on your server :[ |
| 16:37.46 | ralfWORK | oh yea I know |
| 16:37.56 | ralfWORK | I doubt it though |
| 16:37.59 | ralfWORK | good gear is good gear |
| 16:38.15 | ralfWORK | shards/voids are probably a good bet though |
| 16:39.09 | ralfWORK | hell, and essence for that matter |
| 16:39.14 | ralfWORK | why did I decide to AH some lastnight :( |
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| 16:44.09 | Shirik | kergoth, ping |
| 16:44.52 | kergoth | Shirik: pong |
| 16:45.04 | Shirik | Im sorry I do not believe we support hacks on our site |
| 16:45.07 | Shirik | :P |
| 16:45.28 | kergoth | couldve fooled me, with half the stuff up there |
| 16:45.29 | Saint-N | they dont? |
| 16:45.30 | kergoth | :P |
| 16:45.45 | Saint-N | they dont support what the have for download |
| 16:45.49 | Saint-N | thats all that means |
| 16:46.13 | Shirik | nah I just woke up, and I almost denied this without thinking: Little addon to sort the addons in the Interface Options addons tab alphabetically. It's a bit of a hack, but it does work, and I'd rather have something than nothing for this. |
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| 16:46.24 | kergoth | read the code, you'll see what i mean |
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| 16:46.28 | Shirik | I know :) |
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| 16:46.36 | kergoth | :) |
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| 16:47.02 | Fix[EJ] | Is there any way to have the "LookingForGroup" channel...not reserve up a channel number? |
| 16:47.57 | Seerah | you can be in a max of 10 channels at a time |
| 16:48.02 | Shirik | I believe just the act of joining it assigns it a number |
| 16:48.07 | Seerah | *nod* |
| 16:48.28 | zenzelezz | well, /leave'ing it doesn't free the number |
| 16:48.35 | zenzelezz | I've lost my 3 thanks to that shit |
| 16:48.42 | MentalPower | yes it does... |
| 16:48.44 | Seerah | sure it does |
| 16:48.49 | Shirik | isnt LFG typically 5? |
| 16:48.49 | zenzelezz | didn't for me |
| 16:48.53 | Shirik | Because I use 5 for something else |
| 16:48.57 | zenzelezz | Shirik: depends what other channels you have |
| 16:49.04 | Seerah | but the channels don't rearrange |
| 16:49.12 | MentalPower | you can rejoin other channels to occupy that number |
| 16:49.13 | kergoth | zenzelezz: of course it frees it, but the other channels wont just fall into its slot |
| 16:49.14 | Fix[EJ] | Yes they do! :[ |
| 16:49.17 | Seerah | leave something else and join it again and it'll go to 3 |
| 16:49.25 | MentalPower | but yes, by default the UI will try to keep the same number |
| 16:49.34 | zenzelezz | kergoth: if that was the case, then 4 would never be free for other things |
| 16:49.44 | zenzelezz | yet I use it for a custom channel |
| 16:49.51 | Shirik | coincidentally, I dont use 4 for anything |
| 16:50.07 | Shirik | 5 is my healers channel |
| 16:50.38 | Seerah | 1 was Trade for a while for me - drove me insane |
| 16:50.46 | Seerah | with 2 as general |
| 16:51.11 | Seerah | that's what I got for leaving both and rejoining in a different order or something like that |
| 16:51.56 | Cide | the numbers aren't persistent.. THAT drives me insane |
| 16:52.01 | Seerah|away | *nod* |
| 16:53.38 | zenzelezz | /g "OT Shopping 100+" WTS ... |
| 16:54.17 | ralfWORK | hmm? |
| 16:56.02 | Shirik | This msdn page is great |
| 16:56.18 | Shirik | Description: Effectively blocks an optimization of reads and writes to global memory. |
| 16:56.23 | Shirik | Remarks: |
| 16:56.30 | Shirik | Memory is considered global (as applicable to memory barriers) if the data satisfies one of the following conditions: |
| 16:56.35 | Shirik | It is a global variable. |
| 16:56.41 | Shirik | ..... thanks. |
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| 17:01.26 | enum | morning folks |
| 17:01.27 | Fix[EJ] | Hmm, trade keeps defaulting back to /1...I HATE YU |
| 17:02.19 | kergoth | pretty sure there are addons to maintain an order |
| 17:02.22 | kergoth | i know prat has a module for it |
| 17:02.41 | Fix[EJ] | ewww prat |
| 17:03.08 | kergoth | its a bit of a monster, but it still has some features that are hard to find elsewhere |
| 17:03.19 | kergoth | chatterbox is looking promising |
| 17:03.21 | Fix[EJ] | Chatterbox is pretty dope |
| 17:03.22 | Fix[EJ] | yeah |
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| 17:04.46 | kergoth | it needs to rename actual numbered channels other than lfg and such, which it doesnt right now, and i'd really like some sort of altnames thing, but other than that i quite like it |
| 17:05.08 | kergoth | a module to remember channel order and one to maintain color association with channel rather than slot would be good though |
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| 17:08.27 | Saint-N | cide: they are if you sticky them |
| 17:09.10 | Saint-N | get cirks chatmanager and you can sticky them so they are persistent |
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| 17:12.11 | ralfWORK | shadow priests alive here? |
| 17:13.53 | Lopeppeppy | Nope, all dead. |
| 17:14.13 | ralfWORK | pondering haste |
| 17:14.20 | Saint-N | not that beneficial |
| 17:14.25 | Saint-N | unless you've got a shitload |
| 17:14.32 | Shirik | I love all the youtube videos of Eric Johnson live in concert where everyones saying lol this sounds nothing like the actual song, wtf for Cliffs of Dover |
| 17:14.50 | Shirik | GH corrupts minds |
| 17:15.47 | ralfWORK | Saint-N: I'm looking at the badge haste bracers and cape. I'd lose 12 damage and gain 41 haste rating. Thoughts? |
| 17:15.58 | enum | anyone know a way to get Tradeskill and Enchant from the ID? I can get spells, but not Tradeskills / Enchants want a window index |
| 17:16.28 | dylanm | Um if your gear is good I'd go straight for the haste. |
| 17:16.58 | Saint-N | ralfWORK: check the formula and see how much that cuts down your cooldown time on mb |
| 17:17.09 | Saint-N | if it's enough to get it to 1s go for it |
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| 17:17.26 | ralfWORK | good? that's relative. it's good for my progression imo. I'm at 1147 damage now and have my Blessigs deck |
| 17:17.32 | dylanm | But really, spreadsheet. |
| 17:18.44 | ralfWORK | Saint-N: cutting down CD on MB to 1s? can you say that again? |
| 17:19.10 | ralfWORK | I believe the numbers I looked at said ~150 haste to get an extra mind flay in between MB CDs |
| 17:19.19 | ralfWORK | (if that's what you mean) |
| 17:24.21 | Saint-N | yeah |
| 17:24.30 | Saint-N | if yopu cant get that value it's not worth it to bother |
| 17:24.53 | Saint-N | the dps increase is neglibale compared to the dps you've have without the +spell sacrifice |
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| 17:27.26 | ralfWORK | hmm yea |
| 17:27.59 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: ping |
| 17:28.02 | Snago | Attention all newbs who want to learn to make your own Ace3 addons! http://www.wowace.com/wiki/WelcomeHome_-_Your_first_Ace3_Addon is ready for testing. If you encounter any problems please poke me about it so I can make it better :) |
| 17:28.04 | ralfWORK | see it seems there's 2 schools of thought on it. just don't know which one to believe yet :) |
| 17:31.02 | Shirik | Snago: Do you seriously have to use that XML syntax? |
| 17:31.28 | MentalPower | no |
| 17:31.40 | MentalPower | but it includes the embeds.xml file which the build system uses |
| 17:31.51 | Snago | Shirik: No, it's just how it's done on the WoWAce SVN |
| 17:32.01 | Shirik | mm ok |
| 17:32.43 | MentalPower | ~seen kergoth |
| 17:32.47 | purl | kergoth is currently on #oe (1d 23m 7s) #norganna (1d 23m 7s) #wowuidev (1d 23m 7s) #wowace (1d 23m 7s) #elinux (1d 23m 7s). Has said a total of 752 messages. Is idling for 1m 23s, last said: 'when i report an error, its because an error happened, if you don't want to fix it, i'll just stick with the version that works, and let other users continue to report the issues'. |
| 17:32.49 | Snago | It's so that the script that zips up the addons can remove the references to the libs in the no-ext version |
| 17:32.55 | Shirik | he just talked to me like 5 seconds ago :P |
| 17:33.04 | deltron | heh |
| 17:33.07 | MentalPower | I know that :P |
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| 17:48.15 | Lunessa | ... station |
| 17:48.27 | Lopeppeppy | Reporting. *grin* |
| 17:49.54 | Lunessa | Oh wow... they just told me the event tomorrow is buying me lunch. Free foodz at work! |
| 17:50.16 | Lopeppeppy | Hey. Free food is free food. *nod* |
| 17:50.59 | zenzelezz | my workplace is nice. Pay $20 every month for lunch, when in reality every day we have $7.5-10 lunches |
| 17:51.57 | zenzelezz | you pay about 2.5-3 days in reality, work pays the rest |
| 17:52.28 | sag_ich_nicht | kd3 Shirik one of you care to report that GetSpellInfo returns zero as casttime for channeled spells for me? it's annoying as hell, and if it's intended behaviour because theoretically channeled spells are instant, then an extra return value for channeling time would be nice |
| 17:52.29 | zenzelezz | not free lunch, but not far from it |
| 17:52.31 | Lopeppeppy | Okay.... numbers aren't my game. I see you saying that work gives you $20 a month, and you spend $7.50 per day. That doesn't work. |
| 17:52.59 | Lopeppeppy | That has them paying for like 3 days, and you paying for like 27. |
| 17:53.01 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: other way around... we pay the workplace $20 |
| 17:53.14 | Lopeppeppy | Ah... that was a nuance I didn't read. Gotcha. |
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| 17:53.35 | zenzelezz | blame my language, I can be vague |
| 17:54.07 | Lopeppeppy | I'm also a brain dead zombie, what do I know? *grin* |
| 17:55.01 | zenzelezz | well, you're by far the most interesting zombie I know |
| 17:55.29 | sag_ich_nicht | hey |
| 17:55.31 | sag_ich_nicht | Lopeppeppy |
| 17:55.48 | Lopeppeppy | What do you want, sag_ich_nicht? |
| 17:55.51 | sag_ich_nicht | nothing |
| 17:56.15 | Lopeppeppy | I have enough sheeple at work, I don't need any more! |
| 17:57.13 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy had a little lamb. The price of meat just didn't please her. Tonight she's having leg of lamb; the rest is in the freezer. |
| 17:57.24 | Lopeppeppy | *laugh* |
| 17:59.47 | ralfWORK | gat dammit |
| 17:59.54 | ralfWORK | there's some crap in my data |
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| 18:01.36 | Lopeppeppy | You sure it's not data in your crap? |
| 18:01.50 | ralfWORK | D: |
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| 18:03.08 | Drundia | sag_ich_nicht, there is no simple way to query spell durations. and channeled spells are mostly instant cast |
| 18:04.15 | sag_ich_nicht | GetSpellInfo(name, rank, icon, cost, isFunnel, powerType, castTime, minRange, maxRange |
| 18:04.17 | sag_ich_nicht | ) |
| 18:04.18 | sag_ich_nicht | o rly |
| 18:04.31 | sag_ich_nicht | i see a casttime entry there |
| 18:04.38 | nevcairiel | castTime is not duration |
| 18:04.44 | Valaron|Work | I hate it when people ask me to install "software" without telling me which software, or the means to get it. |
| 18:05.04 | Valaron|Work | Stupid users. |
| 18:05.30 | sag_ich_nicht | nevcairiel: i know, but you can get the base casttime from there then apply the characters current spellhaste to it in your addon. it's stupid that it doesn't return the duration of channel spells. |
| 18:06.40 | nevcairiel | sag_ich_nicht: for channeld seplls the castTime return is always 0, because its a instant spell |
| 18:06.48 | sag_ich_nicht | nevcairiel: I KNOW |
| 18:06.56 | nevcairiel | so wtf do you want with GetSpellInfo? |
| 18:07.02 | sag_ich_nicht | that's why i also said "it's annoying as hell, and if it's intended behaviour because theoretically channeled spells are instant, then an extra return value for channeling time would be nice" |
| 18:07.18 | Drundia | channeling time is spell duration |
| 18:07.22 | Drundia | it's not returned |
| 18:07.29 | Drundia | it's current retarded technical limitation |
| 18:07.44 | sag_ich_nicht | which is why i'm asking for a new damn fucking return value |
| 18:08.07 | Drundia | do just as people do always, scan tooltip |
| 18:08.14 | sag_ich_nicht | Drundia: no shit |
| 18:08.23 | Drundia | getting more details from GetSpellInfo() would be great though |
| 18:08.49 | sag_ich_nicht | [20:08] <Drundia> do just as people do always, scan tooltip <--NO SHIT? |
| 18:08.56 | sag_ich_nicht | HOW WOULD I HAVE EVER FIGURED THAT OUT |
| 18:09.06 | sag_ich_nicht | CLEARLY YOU MUST BE A GENIUS FOR HAVING THIS WONDERFUL IDEA |
| 18:09.09 | MentalPower | guys, both of you chill |
| 18:09.41 | Drundia | that's a good suggestion, but i'd request way more information available in such form |
| 18:09.58 | Drundia | ideally all effects should be listed like on database sites |
| 18:09.58 | sag_ich_nicht | Drundia: that's because you're a greedy bastard |
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| 18:10.04 | Drundia | yes i am :) |
| 18:10.09 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah, fuck you |
| 18:10.17 | zenzelezz | sag_ich_nicht: at least he's not an annoying troll |
| 18:10.45 | Drundia | i'd still like all remaining CHAT_MSG_* events to be more detailed, even though with new combat log it's like not needed any more |
| 18:10.50 | sag_ich_nicht | zenzelezz: i get work done, he doesn't, if i ask for one new return value i might get a yes, if i ask for 200, the post probably doesn't even get read |
| 18:11.11 | zenzelezz | you also come here regularly asking someone else to rewrite addons for you |
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| 18:12.34 | Drundia | not really |
| 18:12.42 | Drundia | i rewrite all addons for myself by myself |
| 18:12.46 | sag_ich_nicht | zenzelezz: no, i'm asking if someone would be willing to do so, i'm not coming in here HEY REWRITE THAT ADDON OR I'LL KILL YOU |
| 18:12.49 | sag_ich_nicht | he was talking to me not you Drundia |
| 18:12.58 | Drundia | oh sorry |
| 18:13.27 | zenzelezz | sag_ich_nicht: if you somehow read "asking someone" as "ordering people around"; you have bigger issues than just trolling |
| 18:14.05 | ralfWORK | hmmm |
| 18:14.19 | ralfWORK | I wonder how accurate maxdps.com is for spriests |
| 18:14.22 | sag_ich_nicht | zenzelezz: [19:52] <sag_ich_nicht> kd3 Shirik one of you care to report that GetSpellInfo returns zero as casttime for channeled spells for me? it's annoying as hell, and if it's intended behaviour because theoretically channeled spells are instant, then an extra return value for channeling time would be nice |
| 18:14.38 | sag_ich_nicht | QED |
| 18:14.47 | zenzelezz | sag_ich_nicht: I wasn't even talking about your discussion today |
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| 18:21.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: pong |
| 18:23.04 | Shirik | sag_ich_nicht: I am not experienced enough with that API to know whether or not its supposed to do that |
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| 18:23.23 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: Do you have any idea if Linode has any issues with a client running a webserver/database? |
| 18:23.35 | Shirik | It wont be anywhere near high-strain |
| 18:23.36 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik: it's supposed to do it for instant spells and channeled spells are considered instant spells internally |
| 18:23.40 | Lunessa | http://xkcd.com/409/ |
| 18:23.49 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik: thus i'm also posing the question for an additional return value |
| 18:24.03 | sag_ich_nicht | otherwise you have to rely on tooltip scanning which is kinda ugh |
| 18:24.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: none. It boils down to, "don't spin the CPUs at 100% for 100% of the time, and we like you." |
| 18:24.15 | Shirik | heh |
| 18:24.21 | Shirik | thanks :) |
| 18:24.24 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got a webserver on it |
| 18:24.40 | ScytheBlade1 | And an open-port database requiring an SSL cert to get access to it (for remote access) |
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| 18:27.47 | Wraanger | heyaz |
| 18:28.46 | ralfWORK | well damn |
| 18:28.52 | ralfWORK | maxdps.com doesn't do haste lol |
| 18:31.30 | sag_ich_nicht | ralfWORK: that's because in general, maxdps.com is a steaming pile of shit |
| 18:31.49 | ralfWORK | ah |
| 18:31.55 | nevcairiel | i always just get the spreadsheets from EJ |
| 18:32.15 | ralfWORK | yea, problem is I don't have Excel |
| 18:32.21 | sag_ich_nicht | well change that |
| 18:32.24 | ralfWORK | so those nice pretty spreadsheets basically are worthless |
| 18:32.34 | nevcairiel | isnt there soem excelviewer? |
| 18:32.38 | sag_ich_nicht | uhm |
| 18:32.38 | ralfWORK | for a mac? |
| 18:32.39 | sag_ich_nicht | yes |
| 18:32.39 | sag_ich_nicht | but |
| 18:32.41 | sag_ich_nicht | it's pointless |
| 18:32.42 | nevcairiel | oh |
| 18:32.44 | nevcairiel | mac |
| 18:32.47 | ralfWORK | ya, mac |
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| 18:32.49 | nevcairiel | yeah you fail then |
| 18:32.51 | sag_ich_nicht | ralfWORK: office is available for macs too |
| 18:32.53 | zenzelezz | doesn't OpenOffice work on Mac? |
| 18:32.53 | ralfWORK | yea, I do |
| 18:32.55 | sag_ich_nicht | you fail at not knowing that |
| 18:33.01 | sag_ich_nicht | erm |
| 18:33.05 | sag_ich_nicht | s/at/for/ |
| 18:33.08 | nevcairiel | MacOffice fails at opening complex excel files |
| 18:33.20 | ralfWORK | open office, sure. formulas in that? lolololol |
| 18:33.29 | sag_ich_nicht | okay |
| 18:33.34 | sag_ich_nicht | bootcamp |
| 18:33.39 | sag_ich_nicht | there i said it now get over yourself |
| 18:33.40 | ralfWORK | lol |
| 18:33.44 | ralfWORK | G5 |
| 18:33.51 | sag_ich_nicht | vmware |
| 18:33.56 | sag_ich_nicht | parallels |
| 18:33.58 | ralfWORK | (don't think I haven't been down this road guys) |
| 18:34.05 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 18:34.07 | ralfWORK | none of that crap runs on non-intel macs |
| 18:34.13 | sag_ich_nicht | uhm |
| 18:34.26 | ralfWORK | my options are VirtualPC which blows. Excel for Mac |
| 18:35.27 | sag_ich_nicht | virtualpc works fine for running excel |
| 18:35.37 | ralfWORK | sure. more expensive than Excel though |
| 18:36.08 | sag_ich_nicht | yeah. |
| 18:36.10 | sag_ich_nicht | sure. |
| 18:36.24 | sag_ich_nicht | you continue to argue that way while i tell you to get over yourself. |
| 18:36.58 | ralfWORK | lol get over myself eh? |
| 18:37.02 | sag_ich_nicht | ya |
| 18:37.10 | sag_ich_nicht | ~cluebat ralfWORK |
| 18:37.11 | purl | ACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps ralfWORK. |
| 18:37.11 | ralfWORK | I'm not arguing as much as I'm simply stating the facts of the situation |
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| 18:42.23 | ralfWORK | anyone getting the SSO exalted spelldamage neck? |
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| 18:49.43 | batrick | 'gafternoon |
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| 18:54.54 | Lunessa | ralfWORK: I happen to have a mac, and office for the mac. I could save the spreadsheet for you in some other format if you like. |
| 18:55.16 | ralfWORK | Lunessa: hmm think it would translate the formulas and crap? |
| 18:55.32 | Lunessa | It does a pretty good job of saving to other formats. |
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| 18:56.09 | Lunessa | Hold up... |
| 18:56.55 | Lunessa | I could save it to oldr excel formats - surely you have something that can read those. |
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| 18:57.35 | ralfWORK | where's that original spreadsheet at? you have a URL handy? |
| 18:58.56 | ralfWORK | I'll check it |
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| 19:02.31 | ralfWORK | hmm. so the EJ sheet still doesn't do haste |
| 19:03.06 | ralfWORK | suppose I could hack up the spell cast times etc |
| 19:04.25 | Fix[EJ] | EJ sheet? |
| 19:04.30 | ralfWORK | ahh, updated 3/15/7 |
| 19:04.40 | ralfWORK | Fix[EJ]: shadowpriest DPS spreadsheet |
| 19:04.44 | Fix[EJ] | Ah |
| 19:05.57 | Lunessa | toss me a link and I'll grab it - I can save it to Excel 5.0 ('95 format) - surely something you have will read that. |
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| 19:06.37 | AnduinLothar | that'll prolly brak the macros |
| 19:07.20 | Lunessa | Never having used their spreadsheets, how macro-dependant are they? |
| 19:07.24 | ralfWORK | Lunessa: kk, will do... after I find one I like :) |
| 19:07.31 | ralfWORK | tyvm |
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| 19:14.03 | batrick | did Lua keep the vararg arg table for backwards compatibility? |
| 19:14.25 | nevcairiel | i think only wowlua has it for compat, yes? |
| 19:15.05 | batrick | well |
| 19:15.30 | batrick | apparently 5.1.3 has it (for what I compiled) |
| 19:15.54 | nevcairiel | compat is teh evil, just force people to upgrade! |
| 19:15.59 | wereHamster | you need to edit a header to specify which features you want to have compiled into lua |
| 19:16.23 | batrick | !lua print(arg) function a(...) print(arg) end a(1,2,3) |
| 19:16.24 | batbot | batrick: niltable: 0x82a6868 |
| 19:16.45 | kergoth | batrick: it depends on how you built it |
| 19:16.51 | kergoth | it doesnt exist in wow's lua build |
| 19:18.26 | batrick | weird |
| 19:18.56 | batrick | Does it make that table if you don't use arg? |
| 19:19.35 | kergoth | "weird"? |
| 19:19.39 | kergoth | why would it be weird? |
| 19:20.32 | batrick | I would have thought they turned it off |
| 19:20.37 | batrick | err, removed it |
| 19:22.46 | MentalPower|AFK | batrick: its a build-time compat setting (one of many) |
| 19:22.59 | MentalPower | the table is always there if the setting is enabled |
| 19:23.08 | MentalPower | WoW's Lua has all compat settings disabled |
| 19:23.19 | MentalPower | and so does cogwheel's WoWLua distro |
| 19:25.11 | batrick | I think it only builds the table if you use it |
| 19:25.13 | cog|work | batrick: you should use my Lua |
| 19:25.15 | cog|work | :P |
| 19:25.21 | batrick | why? |
| 19:25.39 | cog|work | it's configured to match WoW's settings ;) |
| 19:26.12 | cog|work | and not just compiler options... |
| 19:26.25 | cog|work | lua> print("%d, %1$d", 3) |
| 19:26.25 | lua_bot | cog|work: %d, %1$d, 3 |
| 19:26.26 | Snago | Best part about it is that it can compile files with an UTF8 BOM |
| 19:26.26 | batrick | I don't play wow anymore |
| 19:26.33 | batrick | so I wouldn't have much use for that |
| 19:26.34 | cog|work | lua> print(format("%d, %1$d", 3)) |
| 19:26.34 | lua_bot | cog|work: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'format' (a nil value) |
| 19:26.44 | cog|work | lua> print(string.format("%d, %1$d", 3)) |
| 19:26.44 | lua_bot | cog|work: 3, 3 |
| 19:27.01 | cog|work | batrick: well then... |
| 19:28.52 | Lunessa | http://www.vimeo.com/870974/ - fun. |
| 19:34.02 | Polarina | cog|work: Does your Lua do tainting? |
| 19:34.07 | cog|work | no |
| 19:34.13 | cog|work | there's really no reason for it to |
| 19:34.20 | Polarina | cog|work: Why? |
| 19:34.27 | cog|work | any application that needs to do that can emulate it themselves |
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| 19:34.46 | cog|work | it's not designed AS a wow environment. it's a Lua environment designed to match the specifics of WoW |
| 19:35.07 | Polarina | Ok. |
| 19:35.23 | cog|work | though it would be the perfect Lua distro to use for such a thing ;) |
| 19:36.09 | wereHamster | why does SetCursor("ATTACK_CURSOR") not work? |
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| 19:38.04 | wereHamster | the cursor just doesn't change, can it be taint? I use /run SetCursor(...) |
| 19:38.29 | zenzelezz | do the other values work? |
| 19:38.56 | Cairenn | hey guys, do any of the quest mods currently out there show the Quest ID? |
| 19:39.03 | wereHamster | BUY, ATTACK, CAST .. _CURSOR don't, I haven't tested the _ERROR_ cursors |
| 19:39.26 | zenzelezz | wereHamster: I only tried a couple of the ones listed on the wiki, but none of them changed my cursor |
| 19:39.27 | cog|work | Cairenn: quest id isn't available to the UI environment |
| 19:39.34 | zenzelezz | also from /script |
| 19:39.55 | Polarina | cog|work: They are if you have the quest in the quest log. |
| 19:40.15 | cog|work | Polarina: no, that's just an index in your quest log |
| 19:40.18 | cog|work | it's not the quest id |
| 19:40.42 | Polarina | cog|work: There are quest IDs and addons can acquire them! |
| 19:40.48 | cog|work | since when? |
| 19:40.53 | Polarina | cog|work: Patch 2.4.0 |
| 19:41.42 | cog|work | then it's undocumented... |
| 19:41.52 | Bela|work | it does work |
| 19:42.01 | Bela|work | and is how the quest links work |
| 19:42.08 | Bela|work | and I don't think you ened them in your quest log |
| 19:42.12 | Bela|work | need* |
| 19:42.18 | TecnoBrat | ahhh yes, quest links |
| 19:42.22 | zenzelezz | I'm guessing it's because you can link them now |
| 19:42.24 | Polarina | cog|work: GetQuestLogLink() (Or was it GetQuestLink()?) |
| 19:42.24 | TecnoBrat | you would need an id for that I'm sure |
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| 19:43.36 | Saint-N | Weaseling out of things is important to learn. It's what separates us from the animals ... except the weasel.Matt Groening |
| 19:43.55 | Bela|work | GetQuestLink(questIndex) |
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| 19:44.11 | Bela|work | http://wdnaddons.com/2418124/FrameXML/QuestLogFrame.lua @ 494 |
| 19:44.30 | Saint-N | Every now and then when your life gets complicated and the weasels start closing in, the only cure is to load up on heinous chemicals and then drive like a bastard from Hollywood to Las Vegas ... with the music at top volume and at least a pint of ether. -- Hunter S. Thompson |
| 19:45.19 | Bela|work | now, an adventurous person should test to see if GetQuestLink will take a questid |
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| 19:45.24 | Bela|work | the ones from wowhead I believe work |
| 19:46.43 | Lunessa | We can't stop here! This is bat country! |
| 19:49.12 | Tuller | hey Tekkub, is there a reason you did not want to use a scroll bar in the amp list? |
| 19:49.25 | Tekkub | limited space |
| 19:49.55 | Saint-N | lunessa: we either stop in bat country or continue on to flavour country |
| 19:50.01 | Tekkub | it works fine with the wheel, I'm not highly motivated to add more |
| 19:50.02 | Saint-N | im not sure which is worse for us! |
| 19:50.11 | Tekkub | buy a mouse from this century :) |
| 19:51.03 | Tuller | Tekkub: I have a mouse, its just not obvious :P |
| 19:51.57 | Tekkub | :P |
| 19:51.59 | Saint-N | thats not a mouse |
| 19:52.03 | Saint-N | or a joystick |
| 19:52.11 | Saint-N | tell not one you can play video games with |
| 19:53.04 | NightHawkAtWork | Tekkub: the nice thing about a scroll bar is that it indicates relative position in the list, not merely allowing navigation. ;) |
| 19:53.53 | Tekkub | so fork Amp and add one, github makes forking stupid easy |
| 19:54.04 | Lunessa | "And that, I think, was the handleâthat sense of inevitable victory over the forces of Old and Evil. Not in any mean or military sense; we didnât need that. Our energy would simply prevail. There was no point in fightingâon our side or theirs. We had all the momentum; we were riding the crest of a high and beautiful wave. . . ." |
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| 19:57.04 | ScytheBlade1 | This is depressing |
| 19:57.08 | ScytheBlade1 | The badge vendor spawned |
| 19:57.12 | ScytheBlade1 | And my server is being responsible :( |
| 19:58.00 | Tuller | git is evil, or at least |
| 19:58.10 | Tuller | "git requires me to figure out how to do stuff with git" :P |
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| 19:59.15 | wereHamster | uhm, was it always that 'local a, b, c = GetCursorPosition(), GetTime()' didn't work as I'd expect? |
| 20:00.12 | Tuller | because you only get the first return of each function with that syntax |
| 20:00.39 | wereHamster | I thought an extra () is needed to only get the first return value |
| 20:00.56 | MentalPower | wereHamster: that was true in Lua4 |
| 20:00.58 | MentalPower | but not in 5 |
| 20:01.03 | nevcairiel | if you chain them like that, you get the first return value of the first function, and all return values of the last function |
| 20:01.05 | lagger | what file is the unitguid function in |
| 20:01.20 | MentalPower | lagger: thats a C function |
| 20:01.42 | lagger | o |
| 20:01.50 | nevcairiel | lua> local func1 = function() return "a", "b" end; local func2 = function() return "c", "d" end; local a, b, c = func1(), func2(); print(a,b,c) |
| 20:01.50 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: a, c, d |
| 20:01.53 | nevcairiel | see |
| 20:01.53 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 20:02.05 | nevcairiel | "b" is discarded |
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| 20:07.12 | Remanent | so i have a question, i'm new to scripting/mod progrmaing for WoW, i used to do basic UI modifications to EQ's UI (which was in xml) i'm modding an addon i found (w/ permission of the addon's author), and was wondering about text formatting, so far, the only thing i've figured out on my own is how to modify color of text via the |cff(rgb hex), is there a way to set either bold or italic of a text? |
| 20:07.57 | wereHamster | I don't think so |
| 20:07.57 | cog|work | Remanent: you can't change formatting within a fontstring except for the color |
| 20:08.07 | Remanent | mmk |
| 20:08.15 | cog|work | You'd have to use SimpleHTML i think |
| 20:08.38 | cog|work | or separate fontstrings if it's easier |
| 20:08.53 | Remanent | mmk |
| 20:09.37 | Kirov | Remanent - that being said, there are other ways of changing the color and formatting of a peice of text |
| 20:09.52 | Kirov | If all you want is a single line of text that's bold and bright red, you can do that. |
| 20:10.13 | Remanent | basically, i'm modding a guide addon i found |
| 20:10.16 | Remanent | to be fore the horde |
| 20:10.24 | cog|work | right... you don't need to do |cff* at all if you want it to apply to the whole thing |
| 20:10.50 | Remanent | and like, if i have a quest name i want to highlight, i'd use |cffff6600(questname)|r |
| 20:11.13 | cog|work | fontString.SetTextColor(r,g,b[,a]) |
| 20:11.50 | Kirov | Remanent - if you're doing something like "Some random non highlighted text leading up to a |cffff6600(questname)|r that is highlighted" |
| 20:12.06 | Kirov | cog isn't that : |
| 20:12.14 | cog|work | yes |
| 20:12.21 | cog|work | s/./:/ |
| 20:12.56 | Kirov | FontStringRegionName:SetTextColor(r,g,b[,a]) |
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| 20:13.07 | Remanent | here's an example of how i have it atm. |
| 20:13.12 | Drundia | lies it's FontStringOjectReference |
| 20:13.25 | Drundia | s/Oject/Object/ |
| 20:13.33 | Remanent | If you haven't turned in |cff8858a1[19] Samophlange Manual|r and/or haven't learned your new skills yet, do that. |
| 20:13.54 | Remanent | makes just the quest title appear the desired color |
| 20:14.03 | Remanent | is what i've been using |
| 20:14.22 | cog|work | make a quest link imo :P |
| 20:14.30 | Remanent | i don't know how to do that ;P |
| 20:14.39 | Remanent | not a bad idea of course |
| 20:14.49 | Remanent | but that's beyond my knowledge at this point. |
| 20:15.21 | Remanent | and as a said, i'm modding someone else's addon. |
| 20:15.30 | cog|work | perfect chance to make it better :P |
| 20:15.32 | Remanent | i'm learning as i go lol |
| 20:15.36 | Remanent | yeah :) |
| 20:15.48 | Kirov | |Hquest:<questid>|h|cffffff00[Quest Name]|r|h |
| 20:15.50 | Remanent | been playin since release, first time i've gotten the programming itch for this game. |
| 20:15.54 | Kirov | I think that's the format, been a while |
| 20:16.34 | Kirov | actually, wdn |
| 20:16.40 | Remanent | kirov: wouldn't the |h right after the <questid> close off the linkage for the quest? |
| 20:16.56 | cog|work | no |
| 20:17.09 | cog|work | The |H knows how many |h's are supposed to appear |
| 20:17.17 | Remanent | oki =) |
| 20:17.27 | Remanent | figured i'd ask :P |
| 20:17.36 | Kirov | |H id |h shown text |h end |
| 20:17.37 | Remanent | i'll give that a try |
| 20:17.41 | Remanent | if it works, awesome |
| 20:18.05 | Remanent | if i recall, wowhead now uses the same questid's as wow itself does, correct? |
| 20:18.13 | Fix[EJ] | Yep. |
| 20:18.18 | Kirov | Yes |
| 20:18.20 | Remanent | good deal :) |
| 20:18.27 | Kirov | thottbot does not |
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| 20:19.04 | Remanent | i never licked thottbot anyways :) |
| 20:19.07 | Remanent | liked* |
| 20:19.07 | Remanent | ack |
| 20:19.11 | Remanent | licked... eww |
| 20:19.37 | Kirov | I would hope not |
| 20:19.47 | Remanent | i'd have nasty streaks on my screen :x |
| 20:19.52 | Kirov | (it tastes like burnt hazelnuts and dirt) |
| 20:20.03 | Remanent | my screen does? ;x |
| 20:20.08 | Kirov | No, thottbot |
| 20:20.11 | Remanent | how would u know how my screen tastes? |
| 20:20.12 | Remanent | ooh :) |
| 20:20.13 | Remanent | :p |
| 20:20.17 | Saint-N | perv |
| 20:20.24 | Remanent | he's the one licking thott. |
| 20:20.25 | Remanent | not me |
| 20:20.27 | Remanent | :| |
| 20:20.36 | Kirov | Damn it, I was drunk! |
| 20:20.50 | Remanent | ok, i'll let it slide. |
| 20:22.08 | Kirov | On a side, if you don't already know about them |
| 20:22.09 | Kirov | http://www.wowwiki.com/Portal:Interface_customization |
| 20:22.14 | Kirov | http://wdnaddons.com/2418124 |
| 20:22.35 | Polarina | Kirov: Your questlink is wrong. |
| 20:22.35 | Kirov | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info3999-DevTools.html |
| 20:23.05 | Kirov | ooo |
| 20:23.07 | Kirov | |c first |
| 20:23.26 | Remanent | yeah, i got the framexml download already, and that's how i'd found the |r command, but i hadn't been able to find anything about bold / italic. |
| 20:24.00 | Kirov | |cff00ff00|Hquest:1234|h[Quest Name]|h|r |
| 20:24.10 | Remanent | and i'd spent the past 2 days doing searches on wowinterface, the wow.com forums, and a google search or 2, and looked thru lua.org. but not anything really extensive on the last. |
| 20:24.10 | Remanent | so |
| 20:24.33 | Remanent | so color then the quest link |
| 20:24.35 | Polarina | Kirov: That 1234 is the quests level. |
| 20:24.48 | Remanent | quests ID |
| 20:24.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Polarina: wait what? I thought that was the ID |
| 20:24.55 | Kirov | Remanent - that first link should be your bread and butter |
| 20:25.10 | Polarina | No wait. |Hquest:<ID>:<Level> |
| 20:27.32 | Remanent | in my example, it'd look something to the tune of "|cffffa154|Hquest:3924:19|h[19]Samophlange Manual|h|r" |
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| 20:28.18 | Kirov | yes, though on a side you shouldn't actually ever need to format it yourself. |
| 20:28.22 | Kirov | GetQuestLink(questid) |
| 20:28.52 | Kirov | I think you can do that |
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| 20:29.05 | Kirov | or maybe not |
| 20:29.07 | Kirov | not in wow to check |
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| 20:32.58 | Shirik | how do you decide which item goes in MH which goes in OH? |
| 20:33.11 | Shirik | I know theres some sort of penalty for an OH |
| 20:33.14 | Shirik | I just dont know what it is |
| 20:33.41 | Kirov | off hand has +15% miss over main |
| 20:33.50 | Kirov | I think 5% of that is unavoidable |
| 20:33.55 | Saint-N | slow main fast off |
| 20:34.15 | Saint-N | unless they're both fast then it doesnt matter |
| 20:34.15 | Kirov | Also most abilitys use the main |
| 20:34.27 | Kirov | s/abilitys/abilities |
| 20:34.33 | Shirik | thanks :) |
| 20:34.36 | Saint-N | and oh procs less doesnt it? |
| 20:34.50 | Kirov | just due to the increased miss |
| 20:34.55 | Saint-N | or rather has an additional check |
| 20:34.56 | Kirov | I don't think there's anything else |
| 20:35.11 | Kirov | wouldn't know for sure |
| 20:38.22 | Remanent | hmm |
| 20:38.41 | Remanent | didn't work, text got colored, but it doesnt appear to be a clickable link |
| 20:38.56 | Remanent | tho, the addon i'm basing this off off uses tinypad to display the text |
| 20:39.07 | Remanent | and that may be half the problem as the text appears in an editable box. |
| 20:39.14 | Kirov | Ah |
| 20:39.28 | Kirov | The text will only appear as a clickable link in the chat frames |
| 20:39.41 | Remanent | aaah. ok |
| 20:39.49 | Kirov | ie: if you print to the chat frame or send in a message |
| 20:39.57 | Remanent | yeah, not what im doing ;p |
| 20:40.26 | Remanent | basically, what i want to end up w/ is a screen in game that'll contain a leveling guide. |
| 20:40.40 | Remanent | cause i hate tabbing to one |
| 20:40.55 | Saint-N | get tourguide |
| 20:40.56 | dylanm | Okay I haven't read this |
| 20:40.57 | dylanm | But |
| 20:40.59 | dylanm | Tourguide |
| 20:41.04 | Remanent | mmk |
| 20:41.07 | Saint-N | its an ingame guide |
| 20:41.09 | Remanent | someone already did it then |
| 20:41.09 | dylanm | I'll scroll up to see if you need anything else but TourGuide is fucking good. |
| 20:41.10 | Saint-N | ;) |
| 20:42.27 | Remanent | aaaaaah. |
| 20:42.30 | Remanent | nice |
| 20:42.39 | Saint-N | im not sure what guide it follows of if its complete but it shouldnt be too hard to check its db and modify it if needed |
| 20:42.49 | Remanent | yeah, it says it's editable |
| 20:43.13 | Saint-N | and the other thing im not sure of is if it reads youre level and skips to that part of the guide or if it just starts at 1 and moves forward all the time(each new character) |
| 20:43.18 | Remanent | TourGuide data files are fairly simple to create. The simplest method is to copy an existing file and edit it how you want. Please read How to create TourGuide data files for help on the format and general guidelines. I ask that all submission follow these guidelines, to present a consistent format to the user. I welcome all submissions, but reserve the right to edit them as I see fit, or reject ones that infringe upon Joanas, Kopps o |
| 20:43.50 | Remanent | i was gonna base my guide on Jame's as it's a freely available guide |
| 20:44.01 | Remanent | instead of joana's or kopps. |
| 20:44.13 | Remanent | rather, my addon' |
| 20:44.15 | Saint-N | joanna and brian are dicks |
| 20:44.20 | Remanent | hehe. |
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| 20:47.37 | Dreagar | hey question for you all. :) |
| 20:47.39 | Remanent | hell, this looks like exactly what i wanted |
| 20:47.47 | Remanent | saves me having to author anything :) |
| 20:49.38 | Dreagar | i'm tryin to figure out whether someone is horde or alliance. so when it gets to PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD i do playerMainFaction, localizedFaction = UnitFactionGroup(player) but get an error do i need to put quotes around player? |
| 20:49.49 | Dreagar | the error is a usage error |
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| 20:50.09 | Dreagar | hmm. how bout i try that. lol. really what i need to know is if player is the unit i need? |
| 20:50.13 | dylanm | Uh you mean "player" right |
| 20:50.54 | dylanm | Because UnitFactionGroup(player) is like UnitFactionGroup(nil) unless you did something else. |
| 20:52.12 | Dreagar | yeah, i thiink that fixed it. |
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| 20:52.50 | dylanm | :> |
| 20:52.53 | Dreagar | just gotta check a horde char to make sure it's all coded properly |
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| 20:56.34 | Dreagar | yay seems to work! thanks for lettin me fix my own problem. lol. sometimes i just jump to askin for help before i really sit and think. lol |
| 20:57.18 | batrick | !lua 2e8/3 |
| 20:57.18 | batbot | batrick: > 66666666.666667 |
| 20:57.36 | batrick | !lua ("0x%x"):format(2e8/3) |
| 20:57.36 | batbot | batrick: > 0x3f940aa |
| 21:00.35 | Cairenn | rofl: http://wowi.pastey.net/85562 |
| 21:04.57 | ScytheBlade1 | 0_0 |
| 21:05.17 | Cairenn | this is good too |
| 21:05.19 | Cairenn | http://wow.tecnobrat.com/images/veryfreshgreens.jpg |
| 21:07.51 | Kaso| | Im not sure i believe that image, those bags are filled with nitrogen i'd wouldnt be able to breath |
| 21:08.27 | Lunessa | but it's a good photoshop. |
| 21:08.44 | cog|work | nah... the edge of the leaf by his face is off |
| 21:08.59 | cog|work | and there's no reflection artifacts from the plastic above him |
| 21:12.37 | kamdis | that's better than the McNoggin (battered and fried chicken head in the McNuggets), Cairenn |
| 21:15.20 | Kirov | An experience I had was at a Wendy's when they first started doing salads several years ago. The guy behind me in line ordered one and shortly after opening the container it came in got very upset |
| 21:15.27 | amro | Cairenn: I found a fix for WoWI's tabs under Konqueror, who do I send it to? |
| 21:15.43 | Cairenn | Dolby@mmointerface.com |
| 21:15.51 | Kirov | Aparently, the salad he'd gotten was some leafy greens over a bowl of pure dirt, literally |
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| 21:16.06 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't get it, two of my SSH connections to my server are latency-free |
| 21:16.08 | Shirik | Cairenn: Thats hilarious |
| 21:16.11 | Shirik | though I wonder how deep he goes |
| 21:16.13 | ScytheBlade1 | But the third? BOOM, LAG |
| 21:16.14 | Cairenn | isn't it though? |
| 21:17.22 | Shirik | 3 stops for 35 minutes is a lot; When I do 100ft dives we only do a 15 minute decompression, and only because its a good idea, not because its required. I guess he probably stays under for a very long time |
| 21:17.25 | Shirik | thats really gotta suck... |
| 21:18.08 | Cairenn | are you doing commercial dives though? |
| 21:18.19 | Shirik | nope, recreational :P Thats why theyre short |
| 21:18.23 | Shirik | his are probably much longer |
| 21:18.24 | Cairenn | my hubby used to, and yeah, those times sound about right |
| 21:18.56 | amro | Cairenn: thanks |
| 21:19.02 | Cairenn | amro: thank you! |
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| 21:24.01 | sag_ich_nicht | WTB an addon that hides non-daily Qs from my Qlog |
| 21:24.13 | sag_ich_nicht | (and reverse) |
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| 21:27.36 | Remanent | doh, didn't realized i'd closed this window :x |
| 21:28.20 | Dissonance|Sleep | Why is (GKOS.SearchKOS(target)) always returning true? Code: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/85566 |
| 21:28.38 | MentalPower | target == nil |
| 21:28.58 | Dissonance | Target is being passed UnitName("mouseover"); |
| 21:29.13 | Dissonance | I like to seperate out my variables. |
| 21:29.15 | MentalPower | oh and 0 is true |
| 21:29.23 | MentalPower | lua> not not 0 |
| 21:29.24 | lua_bot | MentalPower: true |
| 21:29.26 | MentalPower | lua> not not 1 |
| 21:29.26 | lua_bot | MentalPower: true |
| 21:29.38 | MentalPower | in lua only false and nil are false |
| 21:29.41 | Kirov | lua> not not nil |
| 21:29.41 | lua_bot | Kirov: false |
| 21:29.45 | MentalPower | everything else is true |
| 21:29.47 | Dissonance | So it's backwards. Hehe. |
| 21:29.48 | Dissonance | Ok. |
| 21:29.50 | MentalPower | including 0 and "" |
| 21:29.52 | Shirik | backwards? |
| 21:29.57 | MentalPower | its not backwards... |
| 21:29.59 | Polarina | lua> not not not not not not nil, nil |
| 21:29.59 | lua_bot | Polarina: false, nil |
| 21:30.11 | Dissonance | no, I mean, my code is backwards. |
| 21:30.16 | Shirik | 0 is true. 1 is true. Anything where type(n) is number is true |
| 21:30.21 | Kirov | not backwards, just a result of a "typeless" language |
| 21:30.24 | Remanent | anyone know of a tooltip addon where the anchor for the tooltip allows expansion from the center of the anchor (so i can put the tooltip anchor near the center of the screen, and have the tooltip expand in both directions instead of just to the left or right? (example is CTMod's tooltip anchor will expand depending on which corner u want, but i'd rather have it expand from the top down, and to both sides. |
| 21:30.24 | Dissonance | WAit. |
| 21:30.40 | Dissonance | Oh, I see, so I should check for 0 or 1 manually. |
| 21:30.47 | Shirik | its not typeless |
| 21:30.49 | Shirik | its just not type-strict |
| 21:30.54 | MentalPower | Dissonance: no, just return true/false |
| 21:30.58 | MentalPower | instead of 1/0 |
| 21:31.00 | Kirov | Shirik - hence the quotes :p |
| 21:31.15 | Shirik | sorry, I only see quotes if theyre my style of quotes |
| 21:31.21 | Dissonance | true/false are keywords, right? (My editor isn't highlighting them) |
| 21:31.42 | Shirik | yes |
| 21:31.48 | MentalPower | Dissonance: prolly your editor is out of date |
| 21:31.51 | Kirov | shirik - likey exuse! ... damn it |
| 21:31.52 | MentalPower | they were added with Lua5 |
| 21:32.47 | wereHamster | 5. Copy configuration files and edit to your liking. |
| 21:32.48 | Kirov | Dissonance - I'm a little confused about your SearchKOS function |
| 21:32.54 | wereHamster | sry, wrong channel |
| 21:33.06 | Dissonance | What's confusing? (It's not working right, that's for sure) |
| 21:33.14 | Kirov | Dissonance - You're iterating over a table, but regardless of how many items there are in the table you will always pass or fail on the first key / value pair |
| 21:33.21 | Dissonance | I just changed that. |
| 21:33.48 | Dissonance | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/85567 |
| 21:34.20 | Kirov | Dissonance - yep |
| 21:34.26 | ScytheBlade1 | <html> |
| 21:34.26 | ScytheBlade1 | <head> <link rel="openid.server" href="http://id.averageurl.com/id/" /> <link rel="openid.delegate" href="http://id.averageurl.com/id/" /> |
| 21:34.30 | ScytheBlade1 | </head> |
| 21:34.32 | ScytheBlade1 | <body> |
| 21:34.35 | ScytheBlade1 | </body> |
| 21:34.37 | ScytheBlade1 | </html> |
| 21:34.39 | ScytheBlade1 | I meant to hit ctrl+C there, not ctrl+K |
| 21:34.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Ignore! |
| 21:34.41 | Dissonance | It's still always returning true. |
| 21:34.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Whoops |
| 21:35.20 | Dissonance | There are two things in the table, my characters name, and a guildmates name. |
| 21:35.38 | Kirov | Dissonance - alternatively, you can leave out the last return completely |
| 21:35.51 | Kirov | it would "return nil" as nothing is returned. |
| 21:36.15 | MentalPower | Kirov: it would do return; end, which is not always the same |
| 21:36.25 | MentalPower | tho I guess thats a safe bet in this case |
| 21:37.10 | Kirov | One of the wonders (or evils) of lua and the fact you don't have to define a function's return types before hand is you can choose to return a value, return nothing, or not return at all. |
| 21:37.45 | Kirov | For most situations "return;" "return nil;" and no return at all will act the same. |
| 21:38.18 | Dissonance | It's only checking the first item in the table. |
| 21:38.29 | Polarina | Kirov: Returning no value or nil is not the same. |
| 21:38.37 | Dissonance | And no matter what unit I mouseover, it always adds the tooltip text. |
| 21:38.56 | Kirov | Polarina - for most situations, the end result is. |
| 21:39.03 | wereHamster | Polarina, in C code it can matter, but in pure lua code? |
| 21:39.11 | Polarina | lua> tostring() |
| 21:39.11 | lua_bot | Polarina: luabot:1: bad argument #1 to 'tostring' (value expected) |
| 21:39.14 | Polarina | lua> tostring(nil) |
| 21:39.31 | Polarina | lua> tostring(nil) |
| 21:39.37 | Polarina | Lag.. :P |
| 21:39.38 | Kirov | I'm not saying it doesn't matter |
| 21:39.39 | wereHamster | return or print |
| 21:39.47 | cog|work | wereHamster: no |
| 21:39.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Polarina: starting lines with UTF8 sequences usually doesn't work well. ;) |
| 21:39.57 | cog|work | the bots will evaluate expressions |
| 21:40.00 | cog|work | lua> "hi" |
| 21:40.00 | lua_bot | cog|work: hi |
| 21:40.04 | Polarina | ScytheBlade1: ? |
| 21:40.05 | Kirov | lua> tostring(nil) |
| 21:40.06 | lua_bot | Kirov: nil |
| 21:40.21 | wereHamster | lua> tostring() |
| 21:40.22 | lua_bot | wereHamster: luabot:1: bad argument #1 to 'tostring' (value expected) |
| 21:40.38 | cog|work | wereHamster: also, you can use select("#", ...) in lua to see how many parameters were passed |
| 21:40.38 | wereHamster | that message seemed familiar -.- |
| 21:40.48 | Kirov | in the case of an if statement, it doesn't. In the case of assigning multiple variables in line it can |
| 21:40.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Polarina: the tostring(nil) lines you pasted there began with a UTF8 sequence, and in turn, /not/ "lua>" |
| 21:41.03 | wereHamster | can you use select("#") to check how many parameters a function returned? |
| 21:41.07 | Polarina | ScytheBlade1: I don't see any. |
| 21:41.10 | MentalPower | ScytheBlade1: what UTF-8 sequence? |
| 21:41.13 | MentalPower | FEFF? |
| 21:41.25 | cog|work | wereHamster: you have to pass it to a vararg function |
| 21:41.27 | MentalPower | I could check my logs, but if you already have the answer... |
| 21:41.40 | Kirov | ie: function a() return nil, nil end function b() return 1 end local A, B = a(), b() |
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| 21:41.57 | cog|work | lua> function foo(...) return ... end; function bar (...) return select("#", ...) end; print (bar(foo(1,2,3))) |
| 21:41.58 | lua_bot | cog|work: 3 |
| 21:42.25 | ScytheBlade1 | http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/misc/utf8-wowuidev.png |
| 21:42.26 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 21:42.38 | MentalPower | yup |
| 21:42.39 | wereHamster | cog|work, neat trick :) |
| 21:42.39 | Polarina | o.O |
| 21:42.44 | MentalPower | FEFF in UTF-8 |
| 21:43.06 | MentalPower | U+FEFF encoded as UTF-8 ( to be more exact) |
| 21:43.08 | Polarina | How did that get there? |
| 21:43.15 | ScytheBlade1 | I have no idea. :) |
| 21:43.16 | Kirov | lua> function a() return nil, nil, nil end function b(...) return select("#",...) end print( b(a()) ) |
| 21:43.16 | lua_bot | Kirov: 3 |
| 21:43.41 | Kirov | lua> function a() return end function b(...) return select("#",...) end print( b(a()) ) |
| 21:43.42 | ScytheBlade1 | All I'm saying, is that they are there. ;) |
| 21:43.42 | lua_bot | Kirov: 0 |
| 21:43.57 | Kirov | lua> function a() end function b(...) return select("#",...) end print( b(a()) ) |
| 21:43.57 | lua_bot | Kirov: 0 |
| 21:44.21 | Dissonance | I'm trying to loop through this table, but it only seems to check the first value. Why is that? |
| 21:44.52 | Kirov | "return;" and no return at all at the end of the function are equivalent. "return nil;" is not, but all three options will still evaluate to false in an if |
| 21:45.08 | Kirov | Dissonance - you return on the first value it matches |
| 21:45.14 | Dissonance | I changed that, remember? |
| 21:45.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Dissonance: link your new code? |
| 21:45.30 | Dissonance | Updated Function: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/85567 |
| 21:45.42 | Kirov | Dissonance - are you just trying to find out if the name exists in the table at all? |
| 21:45.53 | Dissonance | Yep. |
| 21:46.05 | Kirov | And you're sure the name doesn't exist? |
| 21:46.14 | Dissonance | I'm positive. |
| 21:46.32 | Dissonance | I have my own name in the table, as well as a random trash string that I pass for testing. |
| 21:46.43 | Dissonance | Then I added another name of someone standing closeby, to test. |
| 21:46.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Dissonance: use the devtools /dump to verify? |
| 21:46.55 | Dissonance | Done so. It checks out fine. |
| 21:47.19 | Dissonance | However, the function returns true for my name, the first in the table. But false for the identical trash string, as well as the other name I added. |
| 21:47.34 | Dissonance | Only if the first entry == argument does it return true |
| 21:47.39 | Kirov | lua> local t={A","B","C"} function check(n) for k, v in ipairs(t) do if v == n then return true end end return false end print( check("A") ) |
| 21:47.40 | lua_bot | Kirov: luabot:1: '}' expected near 'B' |
| 21:48.10 | Kirov | lua> local t={"A","B","C"} function check(n) for k, v in ipairs(t) do if v == n then return true end end return false end print( check("A") ) |
| 21:48.11 | lua_bot | Kirov: true |
| 21:48.16 | Kirov | lua> local t={"A","B","C"} function check(n) for k, v in ipairs(t) do if v == n then return true end end return false end print( check("D") ) |
| 21:48.16 | lua_bot | Kirov: false |
| 21:48.25 | Tem|AFK | The friday afternoon shift fucking blows |
| 21:48.29 | Tem|AFK | btw, Dissonance |
| 21:48.34 | Tem|AFK | I fixed my problem |
| 21:48.41 | Dissonance | What was wrong? |
| 21:48.46 | Tem|AFK | I have decided that the CPU fan wasn't seated exactly right |
| 21:48.53 | Tem|AFK | so it wasn't cooling properly |
| 21:49.00 | Dissonance | Ahh. |
| 21:49.18 | Dissonance | CPU's heat up extraordinarily quick with a fan issue. |
| 21:49.26 | Kirov | Dissonance - so, I guess the question is then is your table formatted properly? |
| 21:49.31 | wereHamster | Tem|AFK, didn't I say it was overheating? :P |
| 21:49.41 | Tem|AFK | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:50.02 | Dissonance | How could it not be formatted properly? I'm using table.insert(GKOSConfig.list, addthis); to add data. |
| 21:50.05 | Kirov | did you use table.insert to add in the extra values, or list["name"] = 1 |
| 21:50.09 | Tem|AFK | however, QQ I'm still stuck at work |
| 21:50.25 | wereHamster | I have experience with it. I get machine-check-exceptions when my room heats up too much and desktop runs for too long |
| 21:50.25 | Kirov | Dissonance - just checking |
| 21:51.01 | Dissonance | wereHamster: How hot does your room get? |
| 21:51.07 | Kirov | Dissonance - so, now it's time for lazy debugging. replace your return true with ChatFrame1:AddMessage(k.." "..v) |
| 21:51.32 | wereHamster | not much, but it's a barebone full with high-end equipment (=generates a lot heat) |
| 21:51.44 | Dissonance | A SFF? |
| 21:51.53 | wereHamster | just a bit higher ambient temperature causes it not to cool properly |
| 21:52.03 | Kirov | ChatFrame1:AddMessage(key.." "..value.." "..tostring(value==name)) |
| 21:52.06 | Kirov | actually |
| 21:52.12 | wereHamster | Dissonance, a shuttle barebone, SFF I'd guess |
| 21:52.26 | Dissonance | I've always wanted an SFF pc. |
| 21:52.44 | Remanent | ugh, this last patch for wow (2.4, or 2.41, not sure which) has messed up the g15 lcd display :| |
| 21:53.02 | wereHamster | apart from that issue (I probably chose a too fast CPU for my barebone) I'm very happy with it |
| 21:53.10 | Dissonance | Specs? |
| 21:53.12 | Kirov | lua> local t={"A","B","C"} function check(n) for k, v in ipairs(t) do print( k.." "..v.." "..tostring(v==n) ) end end end check("A") |
| 21:53.12 | lua_bot | Kirov: luabot:1: '<eof>' expected near 'end' |
| 21:53.19 | Kirov | lua> local t={"A","B","C"} function check(n) for k, v in ipairs(t) do print( k.." "..v.." "..tostring(v==n) ) end end check("A") |
| 21:53.19 | lua_bot | Kirov: 1 A true, 2 B false, 3 C false |
| 21:53.50 | Shirik | ~seen Industrial |
| 21:53.55 | purl | industrial <n=Industri@194.145.194.227> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 1d 21m 36s ago, saying: 'Shotski: its not finished so yes, thats probably old.'. |
| 21:54.42 | wereHamster | Dissonance, ~3yars old, athlon 64 x2 dual core 4400+, 2G RAM, 2x500GB HD |
| 21:55.02 | amro | Shirik: im ingame with him rightnow, he can't get on IRC |
| 21:55.03 | Remanent | heh, i have an antec p182, 2 8800gt 512's... gpus are sittin at 49C and 47C respectively, cpu is at 40C on core1, 37C on core2 :p (and it's running 25% overclocked) (with wow running) |
| 21:55.22 | Remanent | antec p182 case, intel core2 duo 2.4g runnin at 3ghz. |
| 21:55.54 | Polarina | Remanent: I have a GeForce 8800 GTS 512! :P |
| 21:55.59 | wereHamster | if I had to choose between a fast and a silent computer, I'd choose the silent one any time.. |
| 21:56.10 | Dissonance | Still better than what I'm running. (2800+ Sempron, 1GB DDR400, GeForce 6800XT(256MB), 2x 160GB seagate, 1x 120 GB Maxtor) It runs at like 70c, perfectly fine. |
| 21:56.19 | Remanent | hehe. |
| 21:56.25 | Dissonance | Never hotter, never cooler. No load, full throttle. |
| 21:56.33 | Shirik | amro: can you kinda just tell him I just saw his bug report and that I somehow missed it earlier |
| 21:56.34 | Matrix110 | Maxtor uhhhh |
| 21:56.38 | Matrix110 | get rid of it! |
| 21:56.43 | Remanent | mine sits on the floor, i don't really hear mine, i play w/ headphones :) |
| 21:56.50 | Polarina | wereHamster: I always pick the best computer and if it's loud, I would just order some loud headsets with it. |
| 21:57.06 | Dissonance | Also, that outputs true correctly if UnitName("mouseover") exists in the table. |
| 21:57.17 | Kirov | My girlfriend's shuttle is louder than my old Lian Li |
| 21:57.30 | Remanent | i have a 10k rpm WD raptor as my main drive (150gb) and 2 200gb wd's runnin raid 0 as my put w/e on it drive. |
| 21:57.47 | Polarina | Western Digital uhhhh |
| 21:57.49 | Polarina | get rid of it! |
| 21:57.51 | Remanent | lol |
| 21:57.56 | Kirov | But that's because it has some weird overheating issues she refuses to let me look in to properly so she has all the case fans running at max |
| 21:57.59 | Dissonance | WD aren't terribly bad. |
| 21:58.01 | Matrix110 | WD drives atleast dont break :P |
| 21:58.04 | Matrix110 | unlike Maxtor |
| 21:58.07 | Remanent | hehe |
| 21:58.13 | Kirov | I've had two WD drives my entire life |
| 21:58.15 | wereHamster | Polarina, I don't want to wear headphones the whole day because the computer is too loud, that's not my idea of a comfortable workplace |
| 21:58.18 | Kirov | Both died in < 2 months |
| 21:58.35 | Kirov | Granted, this was 10+ years ago |
| 21:58.40 | Matrix110 | my old 8GB WD drive is still working |
| 21:58.41 | Remanent | i've had maxtor's die, never had a wd die on me. |
| 21:58.43 | Matrix110 | :P |
| 21:58.44 | Dissonance | Maxtor drives are terrible. This one I'm using was FREE. It's definitely the loudest part in my PC. It sounds like ball bearings bouncing around in the case when it's seeking data. |
| 21:58.46 | Remanent | well, correction |
| 21:58.48 | Polarina | wereHamst |
| 21:58.50 | Remanent | i had a 400mb wd die on me |
| 21:58.58 | Remanent | but it was like 6 years old when it did. |
| 21:59.08 | Dissonance | Remanent: store data much? |
| 21:59.14 | Kirov | At this point I'm seagate for life |
| 21:59.14 | Remanent | 400mb, not gb. |
| 21:59.31 | Matrix110 | That aswell Dissonance my old 80GB Maxtor at somepoint began to be that loud so i couldnt stand it anymore and threw it away |
| 21:59.46 | Kirov | Though I have a 160 Maxtor drive I ripped out of a broken external drive |
| 21:59.49 | Matrix110 | it had a noise that you could hear about 20m away from the PC |
| 21:59.58 | Remanent | o.O |
| 22:00.05 | Dissonance | I had an old Maxtor (2.5GB) eat itself. Or at least, it sounded like it was. The arm that reads the data was crashing down into the platters. |
| 22:00.15 | Matrix110 | it was like these dog whistles just that you could hear it |
| 22:00.37 | Remanent | i had that happen dissonance |
| 22:00.41 | Remanent | was baaaaaaaaaad |
| 22:00.52 | Remanent | to the 400mb hd i was just talkin about |
| 22:00.58 | Kirov | I fried, at not fault of the drive itself, a $10k 2GB SCSI drive when I was younger. |
| 22:01.10 | Remanent | Whoops |
| 22:01.20 | Kirov | Loose grounding wire + harddrive = baaaad |
| 22:01.40 | Remanent | i fried a 486DX2 66mhz cpu via 90 degree installation error... |
| 22:01.46 | Remanent | blew the top right off the fucker. |
| 22:01.58 | wereHamster | rofl |
| 22:02.09 | Remanent | haven't done that again since :) |
| 22:02.12 | Dissonance | Oh god. How did you even get it seated? |
| 22:02.21 | Remanent | they didn't have a seating guide then :) |
| 22:02.27 | Remanent | the notch was the only guide |
| 22:02.29 | Remanent | :\ |
| 22:02.37 | Remanent | it went in tho, don't remember how. |
| 22:03.03 | Remanent | rather, the pins didn't prevent seating if it was misaligned. |
| 22:03.05 | *** join/#wowuidev Nom- (n=nom@standen.id.au) |
| 22:03.10 | Remanent | was pretty funny |
| 22:03.17 | Remanent | found the top of the chip on the otherside of the lab. |
| 22:03.26 | ScytheBlade1 | I once plugged in a floppy drive power cable upside down. |
| 22:03.31 | Remanent | :x |
| 22:03.32 | Dissonance | It was probably trashed anyway from the seating issue. Powering it on like that just sealed the deal. |
| 22:03.33 | ScytheBlade1 | That caused fun things to happen. |
| 22:04.00 | Remanent | at least putting the floppy drive data cable in upside down doesn't cause any serious issues.. |
| 22:04.01 | ScytheBlade1 | And by "fun things" I mean "a lot of smoke" |
| 22:04.21 | wereHamster | ScytheBlade1, doesn't that cause any disk inserted to be deleted? |
| 22:04.22 | Dissonance | I can honestly say I've never had anything terribly bad happen on the inside of a PC I was working on. |
| 22:04.24 | Matrix110 | be glad the most evil thing in a PC is gone |
| 22:04.41 | Kirov | My two favorite "omfg" stories of people building their own computers when they shouldn't be are -> Buying a brand new 5800 Ultra when they were $700, then cutting off the extra PCIex16 bits to fit it in to an old PCI slot. and -> using pliers to pull off the extra pins when trying to install a Core2 in to a Pentium3 MB |
| 22:04.49 | Remanent | were: deleted, no. burned to a crisp. yes. |
| 22:04.50 | ScytheBlade1 | wereHamster: power cable upside down? No, it causes the FDD controller on the mobo to blow, and start giving off smoke in my case |
| 22:05.08 | Kirov | (neither of those were me mind you) |
| 22:05.09 | Remanent | LMAO kirov |
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| 22:05.38 | MentalPower | Kirov: are you serious, or did you make those up? |
| 22:05.41 | wereHamster | then it's when you connect the ide cable upside down.. |
| 22:05.50 | Kirov | MentalPower - both serious, both true |
| 22:05.57 | MentalPower | oh dear... |
| 22:06.01 | Remanent | were, i've never erased a floppy when i did the cable upside down |
| 22:06.06 | Dissonance | A guy once came to me asking why his dual-processor computer wasn't working. He had used Pentium2 SlotA CPU's... But he plugged some extras he had into the PCI slots. |
| 22:06.16 | Kirov | MentalPower - both situations the people were convinced they did nothing wrong. |
| 22:06.17 | ScytheBlade1 | My brother topped my floppy drive 'issue' once |
| 22:06.20 | NightHawkAtWork | So.. I've decided.. based on my abilities in Magic Pen, I should not be allowed to construct anything larger than.. say..a bread box. |
| 22:06.31 | Remanent | cause i had my raid driver disk in the drive. it still works. |
| 22:06.34 | ScytheBlade1 | He bought a new computer with my help, and then decided to put it together with his friend's help |
| 22:06.52 | Remanent | Rofl dissonance |
| 22:06.56 | Remanent | good or slota. |
| 22:06.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Turns out that newer motherboards have a 4-pin HSF, compared to the old 3-pin. Yeah, he plugged the floppy drive power cable into that. |
| 22:07.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Whoops. |
| 22:07.33 | Remanent | i had a celeron 300A that was a SlotA, used to run it at 450mhz... |
| 22:07.44 | Kirov | Remanent - same |
| 22:07.53 | Remanent | i had a buddy that had the same 300A running at 644mhz... |
| 22:07.57 | Kirov | Remanent - I used that computer for 5 years |
| 22:08.10 | Dissonance | I've never had a SlotA CPU that posted. I just think it's a terrible style. |
| 22:08.13 | Remanent | used 2 peltier heatsinks to keep it cooled. |
| 22:08.24 | Matrix110 | I had a p33 i could boost 100% by pressing the TURBO button beat that :P |
| 22:08.27 | Dissonance | The SlotA to 370 adapter was a cool idea though. (I think 370?) |
| 22:08.38 | Remanent | worked great till the system locked up one night... |
| 22:08.47 | Remanent | he woke up to a 1" block of ice surrounding his CPU |
| 22:08.54 | Kirov | lol |
| 22:09.02 | Kirov | Should of used mineral water. |
| 22:09.03 | Kirov | hehe |
| 22:09.08 | Remanent | it wasn't water cooled |
| 22:09.13 | Kirov | I know |
| 22:09.15 | Remanent | it was condensation from the air :) |
| 22:09.19 | Matrix110 | Peltiers are fail³ |
| 22:09.22 | Kirov | He should of submerged it |
| 22:09.24 | Dissonance | Peltiers are nifty. |
| 22:09.54 | Remanent | the core2's overclock nicely :) |
| 22:10.07 | Remanent | got a 2.4ghz running stable at 3.0ghz |
| 22:10.22 | Matrix110 | my quad could go to 3 but what for? :P |
| 22:10.24 | Remanent | haven't tried to push it any higher. |
| 22:10.29 | Dissonance | I wish I could afford a new setup. I'm tired of this Sempron. :( |
| 22:10.44 | Remanent | i think my pc costs about 1k to build. |
| 22:11.04 | Dissonance | I wish I had 1k to build one. |
| 22:11.08 | Remanent | hehe |
| 22:11.22 | Kirov | I'm getting my girlfriend to buy me a new pc soonish |
| 22:11.22 | Remanent | 1.6k w/ my monitor :x |
| 22:11.27 | Dissonance | BTW, after I added in the error-checking, it started working. Go figure. |
| 22:11.33 | Kirov | She owes me a few years of birthday / xmas gifts |
| 22:11.40 | Remanent | take it in sex. |
| 22:11.41 | Remanent | :P |
| 22:12.09 | Remanent | unless u get enough of that as it is. |
| 22:12.24 | Kirov | Remanent - she'd call it paid after one time. |
| 22:12.29 | kd3 | ouch |
| 22:12.49 | Dissonance | Someone's full of themselves. |
| 22:13.04 | Dissonance | Unless it really is *that good* |
| 22:13.32 | Kirov | Dissonance - neither, really. |
| 22:13.44 | *** join/#wowuidev Lukian (i=wizard@203.171.70.21) |
| 22:14.02 | Dissonance | I don't know how long I'd let her stick around then. |
| 22:14.09 | Kirov | heh |
| 22:14.43 | Kirov | I guess i shouldn't of given her that ring |
| 22:14.44 | Kirov | :P |
| 22:15.02 | Dissonance | Oh, yea. You're SoL now. |
| 22:15.13 | Dissonance | Make the best of it. |
| 22:16.56 | Remanent | heh, i was engaged until 6 months ago |
| 22:17.03 | Remanent | been w/ the girl for 4 years |
| 22:17.20 | Remanent | then discovered she'd been cheating on me w/ a guy who was 42 years old (she is 24) |
| 22:17.26 | Remanent | needless to say, she had to go. |
| 22:17.32 | Kirov | palandrome! |
| 22:17.34 | Kirov | sorry |
| 22:18.11 | Shirik | Tuller: ping |
| 22:18.17 | Dissonance | Rem: Ouch. |
| 22:18.24 | Remanent | yeah |
| 22:18.26 | Remanent | pretty much |
| 22:18.30 | Dissonance | Would I have to loop through the table to remove data matching a string? |
| 22:18.32 | Kirov | Been with my girl for 3 years now, we live and work together and still get along. |
| 22:18.42 | Dissonance | table.remove(table, index) is all I can find. |
| 22:18.54 | Kirov | Dissonance - yes |
| 22:19.06 | Remanent | afk a bit, goin to get some dinnah ! |
| 22:19.12 | Kirov | Dissonance - is there a reason you're using an indexed array vs hash? |
| 22:19.30 | Kirov | (does the order you're adding stuff to the table matter to you) |
| 22:19.35 | Dissonance | Nope. |
| 22:19.47 | Kirov | Try this instead then. |
| 22:20.00 | Dissonance | I don't anticipate the guild's KOS list becoming huge. |
| 22:20.12 | Kirov | list = {PlayerName = true, AnotherName = true, etc.} |
| 22:20.41 | Dissonance | I don't follow. |
| 22:20.43 | Kirov | Optionally, if you're keeping a note on the player you can do |
| 22:20.43 | Kirov | list = { PlayerName = "Some text about them" }; |
| 22:20.54 | Kirov | or |
| 22:20.54 | Kirov | list = {}; |
| 22:21.01 | Kirov | list["Playername"] = "text" |
| 22:21.23 | Shirik | or |
| 22:21.25 | Kirov | Then to check if a player is in the list you can just do if list[name] then |
| 22:21.26 | Shirik | list.Playername = text |
| 22:21.48 | Shirik | (after list = {} of course) |
| 22:21.51 | Kirov | Shirik - yes, but he's getting the list from UnitName() |
| 22:22.03 | Kirov | the list.Playername won't work for him. |
| 22:22.12 | Shirik | you mean the name? |
| 22:22.22 | Shirik | ok :) |
| 22:22.28 | Shirik | I only read half of conversations :P |
| 22:22.32 | Kirov | heh |
| 22:22.51 | Dissonance | GKOSConfig.list[UnitName("mouseover")] = "text"; ? |
| 22:22.58 | Tuller | Shirik: ? |
| 22:22.58 | Dissonance | Does that not work? |
| 22:23.04 | Kirov | Dissonance - that would work |
| 22:23.05 | Shirik | Heya, just thought Id throw this your way Tuller |
| 22:23.17 | Shirik | When going from Beta.8 to Beta.9 of Bongos I had a lot of trouble on my rogue |
| 22:23.25 | Tuller | buttons reset? |
| 22:23.26 | Shirik | I even tried to delete my profile and it wouldnt let me |
| 22:23.31 | Kirov | Dissonance - though I would make sure UnitName() returns something first |
| 22:23.34 | Shirik | so I had to go into SV and delete it myself |
| 22:23.41 | Kirov | If it doesn't that'll error bad |
| 22:23.43 | Dissonance | Ok, since I've already gotten this variable saved with one dimension... How do I remove it? |
| 22:23.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Dissonance: assign it to nil. :) |
| 22:24.04 | Kirov | Dissonance - or assign it to {} again |
| 22:24.05 | Shirik | Tuller: I had no action bars, no bags, etc. I tried to make a new bar and I did the little drag thing and it would be as if I never let go of the mouse button |
| 22:24.10 | Dissonance | ./dump GKOSConfig.list = nil; |
| 22:24.11 | Shirik | there was a lot going wrong :P |
| 22:24.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Dissonance: Or /run, or /script, etc. |
| 22:24.19 | Shirik | When I deleted the info from the SV file manually, it was fine though |
| 22:24.23 | Kirov | Dissonance - /run GKPSConfig.list = {} |
| 22:24.30 | Shirik | but it wouldnt let me delete it from the config scene |
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| 22:24.33 | Shirik | screne* |
| 22:24.34 | Dissonance | What does the /run command do? |
| 22:24.35 | Shirik | er |
| 22:24.36 | Shirik | whatever |
| 22:24.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Same as /script |
| 22:24.40 | Shirik | Dissonance: Same as /script |
| 22:24.42 | Polarina | Dissonance: The same as /script |
| 22:24.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Haha |
| 22:24.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Beat you all |
| 22:24.55 | Kirov | same as RunScript() |
| 22:24.57 | Tuller | weird :P |
| 22:24.57 | Kirov | ha! |
| 22:25.02 | Dissonance | i see. |
| 22:25.06 | Tuller | I know I did some menu code changes that might have broken the world |
| 22:25.26 | Shirik | Ah, well just in case you get anyone else coming to you asking wtf, youll have something to tell them maybe :) |
| 22:25.30 | Shirik | it was the only character it happened to |
| 22:25.39 | Shirik | its also the only character that I used stance thingies on |
| 22:25.51 | Kirov | Dissonance - /run and /script are both command lines to RunScript() |
| 22:25.59 | Shirik | Now I get to upgrade to Beta.10 and see what happens :) |
| 22:26.22 | Dissonance | Ok, so when I initialize the variable, I should say GKOSConfig.list = {"value of UnitName()" = "a note"} |
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| 22:26.41 | Dissonance | Does the table have to be initialized with multiple dimensions, is what I'm asking. |
| 22:27.00 | Kirov | Dissonance - No |
| 22:27.37 | Kirov | Technically, you didn't have to clear the old tinsert data before adding the list[UnitName("mouseover")] = "stuff" syntax either |
| 22:28.12 | Kirov | An indexed array and a hash table can coexist in the same table variable |
| 22:28.15 | Dissonance | I'd just have to access the old data via numeric index? |
| 22:28.44 | Kirov | I'm sure a couple of the Lua pros would smack me for saying that, but effectively yes. |
| 22:29.21 | Tem|AFK | there's nothing wrong with what you've said Kirov |
| 22:29.24 | Kirov | It dirties pairs() iteration quite a bit, but one of the main benefits of using a hash in this case is we don't have to iterate |
| 22:29.33 | Tem|AFK | Lua tables are litterally 2 parts |
| 22:29.38 | Tem|AFK | an array part and a hash part |
| 22:30.02 | Dissonance | Oh, so the list can become bigger now, and it won't suffer the slowdown of the iteration? |
| 22:30.11 | ScytheBlade1 | At a certain point, it will |
| 22:30.12 | Kirov | Dissonance - yes and no |
| 22:30.35 | ScytheBlade1 | For example, my "GUIDWatcher" mod that I forgot to turn off. It recoreded GUIDs for all seen events in the combat log. |
| 22:30.48 | ScytheBlade1 | I might have a 2.8MB saved variables file because of it |
| 22:30.56 | ScytheBlade1 | And whenever I AoE, it notably slows the game down |
| 22:31.17 | ScytheBlade1 | It doesn't iterate over all of the values, but pulls them out of a hash |
| 22:31.31 | Kirov | Dissonance - going directly to a value via a string key is generally faster than iterating over indexes with an if compare statement, but at a certain point they're both very very slow. |
| 22:31.39 | ScytheBlade1 | So at a certain point, yes it'll slow down, but if you're hitting that point, you've got other problem |
| 22:31.54 | ScytheBlade1 | What Kirov said |
| 22:32.11 | Dissonance | I suppose it's well into the thousands. |
| 22:32.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Hundreds of thousands |
| 22:32.34 | Dissonance | I don't think the server-population is capable of that. ;) |
| 22:32.37 | Kirov | You could list every single player of the other faction on any server and not hit it. |
| 22:32.39 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 22:32.42 | Dissonance | SavedVariablesPerCharacterPerServer |
| 22:33.05 | Shirik | SavedVariablesPerCharacter is per server ;) |
| 22:33.16 | Dissonance | Brain fart. |
| 22:33.21 | NightHawkAtWork | Unless you somehow manage to have the exact same character on multiple server :P |
| 22:33.22 | Kirov | Listing every player in a particular battle group could probably hit it though |
| 22:33.25 | NightHawkAtWork | +s |
| 22:33.36 | Kirov | (ie: all servers, all factions of a particular battle group) |
| 22:33.50 | ScytheBlade1 | That would. At least it would be noticeable. |
| 22:33.52 | Shirik | personally I dont think enough people go into BGs to do it |
| 22:34.01 | Dissonance | I guess I just won't worry about it. |
| 22:34.09 | Shirik | ostrich algorithm = win |
| 22:34.16 | NightHawkAtWork | Doesn't prat have the ability to store info about every player you see? |
| 22:34.20 | Shirik | Thats the algorithm I propose for this problem Dissonance |
| 22:34.23 | Kirov | Shirik - just talking about every existing character from a hand full of servers, regardless of if they pvp or not. |
| 22:34.35 | Kirov | NightHawkAtWork - yeah, level / class |
| 22:34.50 | Shirik | Kirov: If they dont BG, how would you know theyre in your battlegroup? ;) |
| 22:35.08 | NightHawkAtWork | Kirov: yeah, which is more or less the exact same problem, prat's probably far less discriminating than he intends to be, so if that can handle it, it shouldn't be an issue |
| 22:35.20 | Kirov | Shirik - you wouldn't! Just being hypothetical, ass. ;p |
| 22:35.26 | Shirik | :) |
| 22:35.31 | Dissonance | Multiline comments are not possible? |
| 22:35.37 | Shirik | --[[ ... ]] |
| 22:35.39 | NightHawkAtWork | --[[ .. ]] |
| 22:35.57 | Kirov | Dissonance - \n |
| 22:35.59 | Dissonance | Google said I need an addon. |
| 22:36.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Google lied |
| 22:36.08 | Dissonance | But what does google know. =P |
| 22:36.23 | Dissonance | I believe it was for lua 4 or something. |
| 22:36.25 | NightHawkAtWork | eh, google only tells you what you ask it, you probably asked the wrong thing. ;P |
| 22:37.19 | Shirik | Dissonance: Do you know the long-string syntax? |
| 22:37.38 | Dissonance | Long-string? |
| 22:37.58 | Dissonance | Also: if (GKOSConfig.list[name] = true) then return true; end |
| 22:38.06 | Dissonance | == true, I mean |
| 22:38.06 | cog|work | == |
| 22:38.13 | NightHawkAtWork | you can drop the ==true, its.. redundant. |
| 22:38.23 | Shirik | foo = [===[This is a string; zomg it has quotes! "GUIDWatcher" ]===]; print(foo) |
| 22:38.26 | Shirik | lua> foo = [===[This is a string; zomg it has quotes! "GUIDWatcher" ]===]; print(foo) |
| 22:38.26 | lua_bot | Shirik: This is a string; zomg it has quotes! "GUIDWatcher" |
| 22:38.52 | Shirik | with any number of = in there, including 0, so long as theyre matched on both sides |
| 22:38.59 | NightHawkAtWork | and if you're just returning true/false, and only storing true/false/nil in the table.. why not just "return foo.bar[name]" |
| 22:39.27 | Shirik | Dissonance: You can just stick a -- in front of any long string and its a long comment |
| 22:39.33 | Shirik | --[[...]] is the canonical example |
| 22:39.36 | Shirik | and easiest to use |
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| 22:41.27 | Dissonance | When adding new names to the table, GKOSConfig.list[name] = true; is the correct way? |
| 22:43.26 | Dissonance | New Functions: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/85571 |
| 22:44.04 | todd` | I've checked the documentation for patterns on lua.org and lua-users.org and I can't seem to find a limiting repetition operator in lua (like {3} in regex); does one exist? |
| 22:44.51 | MentalPower | todd`: nop |
| 22:45.24 | MentalPower | you need to repeat the character class if you want limiting operators |
| 22:45.55 | MentalPower | ....?.?.?.? == .{3,7} |
| 22:47.01 | todd` | [%x][%x][%x][%x][%x][%x][%x][%x] == [%x]{8} |
| 22:47.03 | todd` | or is there a way to shorten that? |
| 22:47.30 | todd` | hmm |
| 22:47.34 | todd` | maybe without the [] |
| 22:47.35 | foxlit | [] is redundant |
| 22:47.35 | dylanm | Why character classes for one thing? |
| 22:47.45 | todd` | yeah, just realized that :P |
| 22:50.24 | Dissonance | GKOSConfig.list[name] for a row that doesn't exist returns nil or false? |
| 22:51.25 | batrick | nil |
| 22:51.41 | Dissonance | So to remove from the table, set them back to nil? |
| 22:51.41 | batrick | which can be used as false in a boolean expression |
| 22:51.44 | batrick | yes |
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| 22:54.25 | NightHawkAtWork | todd`: is there some reason you're specifically matching exactly 8 of that class? Why not just use something like + or * and have better boundary-checking? |
| 22:55.40 | dylanm | Good to give examples of what you want to match, for sure. |
| 22:55.55 | Dissonance | Does UnitName() return the character name with the first-letter capital? If so, how can I make the entire string lowercase? |
| 22:56.01 | Tem|AFK | NightHawkAtWork, that looks like a pattern to match ffrrggbb to me |
| 22:56.04 | Tem|AFK | which is fine im |
| 22:56.05 | Tem|AFK | o |
| 22:57.15 | NightHawkAtWork | Dissonance: i bet lua has a tolower function. i bet google knows. or lua.org |
| 22:57.18 | Yssaril | Dissonance, string.lower(string) http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/ is yoru friend |
| 22:57.34 | dylanm | Or string:lower() |
| 22:58.18 | Yssaril | and the answer to the first question Dissonance was yes it first letter is capital |
| 22:58.58 | dylanm | Clearly it's not great to run that on the entire string when only the first letter needs fixing but the code to do just that would be... |
| 22:59.07 | Kirov | Dissonance - why are you clearing the format of the name string? |
| 22:59.50 | Kirov | Also, what's the difference between a long string and a string with escaped characters? |
| 23:00.03 | MentalPower | Kirov: none |
| 23:00.07 | MentalPower | its still a string |
| 23:00.09 | NightHawkAtWork | Kirov: syntax |
| 23:00.26 | Kirov | So, it doesn't matter since he'll most likely be getting the text from some edit box |
| 23:00.41 | Kirov | "multi-line" would just mean it has \n |
| 23:00.56 | Dissonance | I accept character names as slash arguments, so I want users to be able to pass names without worrying about capitalization |
| 23:01.17 | Kirov | that would be a good reason |
| 23:02.13 | Kirov | Dissonance - are you concerned with multiple people with the same name (ie: battlegroups) |
| 23:02.31 | Kirov | Or can you live with inconsistences |
| 23:02.37 | Dissonance | They won't have the same name. |
| 23:02.43 | Dissonance | They have Name*Server |
| 23:02.46 | Dissonance | Is this incorrect? |
| 23:02.57 | Kirov | UnitName() returns to variables, the name, and the server |
| 23:03.02 | Dissonance | Arg1 and arg2. |
| 23:03.16 | Kirov | local name, server = UnitName(unit) |
| 23:03.17 | NightHawkAtWork | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitName |
| 23:03.31 | Dissonance | I recall reading about it. |
| 23:03.33 | Shirik | !api UnitName |
| 23:03.33 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'UnitName' in http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/ |
| 23:03.39 | Shirik | erk |
| 23:03.43 | Shirik | yeah that will be annoying |
| 23:03.49 | Shirik | (19:03:33) - [notice from WoWLuaircBot]: Shirik: name, realm = UnitName("unit") -- http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitName |
| 23:04.25 | Kirov | in the list[UnitName(unit)] = "" situation it's only taking the first variable, the name, as the hash key |
| 23:04.38 | Dissonance | So I should concatenate the server to the table hash? |
| 23:05.16 | Dissonance | arg1.."*"..arg2, if not == nil |
| 23:05.29 | wereHamster | how do I check whether a number is NAN? |
| 23:05.36 | Kirov | the common method is usually something like |
| 23:05.36 | Kirov | local name, server = UnitName(unit) |
| 23:05.36 | Kirov | if server then |
| 23:05.36 | Kirov | name = name.."-"..server |
| 23:05.36 | Kirov | end |
| 23:05.45 | Kirov | wereHamster - NAN? |
| 23:05.46 | dylanm | Uh I would use a format string there. |
| 23:05.58 | Tem|AFK | not a number |
| 23:05.59 | wereHamster | not a number, -infinity etc |
| 23:06.00 | Dissonance | NotANumber |
| 23:06.16 | Shirik | wereHamster: A common form is n ~= n |
| 23:06.29 | NightHawkAtWork | *blink* http://stuweb.ee.mtu.edu/~jamchris/Funny_and_misc/redneck_electric_toothbrush.jpg |
| 23:06.34 | Shirik | this assumes, however, that +/- infinity is a number |
| 23:06.37 | Shirik | (which imho is true) |
| 23:06.54 | Shirik | lua> 0/0 ~= 0/0 |
| 23:06.54 | lua_bot | Shirik: true |
| 23:07.03 | Shirik | lua> sqrt(-1) ~= sqrt(-1) |
| 23:07.04 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'sqrt' (a nil value) |
| 23:07.04 | dylanm | Am I correct in thinking that "%s-%s":format(a,b) is better than a.."-"..b? |
| 23:07.10 | Shirik | lua> math.sqrt(-1) ~= math.sqrt(-1) |
| 23:07.11 | lua_bot | Shirik: true |
| 23:07.20 | dylanm | With respect to garbage and all that. |
| 23:07.21 | Shirik | dylanm: No, because that second component will not always be desired |
| 23:07.21 | lagger | wow why does blizz combat log have a 1200 line function with like 200 else ifs in a row |
| 23:07.23 | Tem|AFK | lua> 1/0 == 1/0 |
| 23:07.23 | lua_bot | Tem|AFK: true |
| 23:07.24 | wereHamster | somehow my code doesn't work: if (scale < 0.0001) then -- if scale is -INF it won't work |
| 23:07.24 | Dissonance | How do I access the second value? |
| 23:07.30 | Kirov | dylanm - and won't always exist |
| 23:07.42 | Tem|AFK | lua> 1/0 == 2/0 |
| 23:07.42 | lua_bot | Tem|AFK: true |
| 23:07.46 | dylanm | Oh he's doing server names. |
| 23:07.50 | NightHawkAtWork | dylanm: yeah, if servername is nil, your names will end in "-" which could be ugly |
| 23:07.53 | dylanm | I just saw the expression and thought "danger" |
| 23:08.12 | Kirov | Dissonance - hmm? |
| 23:08.33 | Dissonance | UnitName("targetted player from another server"); returns 2 values, how do I access the second one? |
| 23:08.43 | Shirik | local name, server = UnitNametarget |
| 23:08.45 | NightHawkAtWork | you should read what people wrote |
| 23:08.49 | NightHawkAtWork | it's already been posted here. |
| 23:08.52 | lagger | select(2, |
| 23:08.54 | Kirov | function test() return 1, 2, 3, 4 end local a, b, c, d = test() print( a..b..c..d ) |
| 23:08.58 | Tem|AFK | lagger, bad lagger |
| 23:09.11 | Kirov | lagger - he wants the name |
| 23:09.27 | Kirov | lua> function test() return 1, 2, 3, 4 end local a, b, c, d = test() print( a..b..c..d ) |
| 23:09.27 | lua_bot | Kirov: 1234 |
| 23:09.31 | lagger | all i read was he wanted the 2nd value |
| 23:09.33 | lagger | my bad |
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| 23:09.58 | NightHawkAtWork | lagger: like Dissonance, and Shirik , you should learn to read entire conversations, not merely the parts you want. :p |
| 23:10.08 | Shirik | I like only reading the parts I want |
| 23:10.13 | Kirov | Dissonance - any function that returns multiple variables you can use to define multiple in line variables. |
| 23:10.37 | Dissonance | This is news to me. |
| 23:10.44 | Dissonance | lua is not like any other language I've ever used. |
| 23:10.50 | Tem|AFK | Dissonance, seriously, PiL |
| 23:10.51 | Kirov | Dissonance - |
| 23:10.52 | Kirov | local a, b = 1, 2; |
| 23:10.52 | Kirov | same as |
| 23:10.52 | Kirov | local a = 1; |
| 23:10.52 | Kirov | local b = 2; |
| 23:10.58 | Tem|AFK | I can't be any nicer about it |
| 23:11.01 | Tem|AFK | ~pil |
| 23:11.01 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 23:11.08 | Tem|AFK | read it |
| 23:13.06 | Dissonance | What's the best way to sync a table with guildmates? SendAddonMessage won't transfer huge amounts of data. |
| 23:13.42 | Kirov | Dissonance - there's no right answer to that question |
| 23:13.43 | Dissonance | Is there a limit on how many times I can call it? (Sending individual rows at a time) |
| 23:13.52 | Kirov | Dissonance - yes and no |
| 23:14.16 | Kirov | There is a cap on how much data you can send before you are muted / kicked for spam |
| 23:14.36 | lagger | how big is the table |
| 23:14.41 | Kirov | Actually, is this auto throttled yet? |
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| 23:14.48 | Tem|AFK | no |
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| 23:15.00 | Dissonance | It depends on the amount of users is on the KOS list. |
| 23:15.05 | Kirov | Tem - you're still free to fuck yourself then |
| 23:15.05 | NightHawkAtWork | woops, ctrl-w'd the wrong window |
| 23:15.27 | cog|work | i do that all the time... my w is right next to my v :( |
| 23:15.54 | cog|work | thank god for confirmation dialogs XD |
| 23:16.33 | Kirov | Dissonance - There are a couple of libs around that help with sending large amounts of data via the addon channel. Some will take table inputs and break it apart for you, then send it slow enough to not hit the cap. |
| 23:17.34 | Tem|AFK | needs to learn it without libs imo |
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| 23:18.00 | Kirov | Dissonance - If all you're doing is sending a table of names w/o any other information (ie: you're not using the hash to store notes on the players) then it wouldn't be difficult to just send a list of names comma delimited |
| 23:18.22 | Kirov | It's useful for understanding the system to do it yourself before resorting to libs |
| 23:18.45 | Kirov | some people don't care to learn, or are able to understand with out doing. |
| 23:18.55 | cog|work | 'course it really depends on the lib and to what extent he wants to use the system |
| 23:19.06 | Kirov | I tend to err on do it once, understand, then say fuck it and use someone else's work |
| 23:19.09 | Dissonance | If I'm using the names as hash values, how do I get those into comma delimited strings |
| 23:19.22 | Kirov | Dissonance - itterator |
| 23:19.40 | Dissonance | the ipair key value stuff? |
| 23:19.48 | Tem|AFK | Dissonance, |
| 23:19.51 | Tem|AFK | PiL |
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| 23:19.57 | Kirov | heh |
| 23:20.01 | Tem|AFK | seriously |
| 23:20.06 | cog|work | srsly... lern2program ... THEN program |
| 23:20.25 | Cide | seriously |
| 23:20.31 | Tem|AFK | ~pil |
| 23:20.32 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 23:20.41 | cog|work | learning by doing is one thing.... Leaning by doing and asking everyone else when you run into trouble is another |
| 23:20.41 | Tem|AFK | ~pil |
| 23:20.42 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 23:21.02 | Cide | stop breaking my shit |
| 23:21.03 | Cide | thanks |
| 23:21.10 | Kirov | hehe |
| 23:21.35 | Kirov | Simple Tranq Shot is still filled with code from that era |
| 23:21.39 | Kirov | yuck |
| 23:21.41 | cog|work | if you don't take the time to learn it on your own, you don't deserve the time of others |
| 23:21.43 | lagger | are there any other libraries like candybar? |
| 23:21.44 | Kirov | functional but ugly |
| 23:22.12 | Tem|AFK | heh, my first forray into addons was hacking up CTBuffs to display the way I wanted it |
| 23:22.22 | Cide | CT_BuffMod was pro |
| 23:22.25 | Cide | wait, no it wasn't |
| 23:22.37 | Cide | (now it is) |
| 23:22.47 | Kirov | I was hacking CTRaid betas |
| 23:22.51 | Kirov | *cringe* |
| 23:22.54 | Cide | we gave you those? :/ |
| 23:23.01 | Kirov | No |
| 23:23.07 | Kirov | But they were floating around. |
| 23:23.12 | Cide | bastards |
| 23:23.15 | Cide | they were guild-only |
| 23:23.16 | Tem|AFK | woo sending health data across a hidden channel |
| 23:23.18 | Tem|AFK | good times |
| 23:23.24 | Cide | yep |
| 23:23.33 | Cide | for 40 people + main tank targets |
| 23:23.43 | Tem|AFK | speaking of hidden channels, that's SO easy to do now |
| 23:24.00 | Kirov | I didn't release anything of not till "targettarget" days |
| 23:24.04 | Kirov | note |
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| 23:39.21 | art3mis | http://arcade.itch.com/games/random-defense/ |
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| 23:41.32 | Shirik | huh |
| 23:41.33 | Shirik | heres a new one |
| 23:42.01 | Shirik | [#] 19:40:25 [W From] <SomeNick>: Leveling going slow today? We'll help you out, at [www.****.com]. So you can get aquainted with our staff and service, we are offering 10 free levels for a limited time! Signup today! [www.****.com |
| 23:43.07 | *** join/#wowuidev Kaso (n=Kaso@host86-137-37-106.range86-137.btcentralplus.com) |
| 23:43.07 | *** join/#wowuidev mascondante_____ (i=JosephPr@75-106-164-202.cust.wildblue.net) |
| 23:44.15 | Kirov | 10 free levels? |
| 23:44.39 | Kirov | Heh, I'm guessing that's on a new toon going from 1-10 |
| 23:44.52 | Shirik | no Im going to assume theyre just trying to get passwords |
| 23:45.08 | Kirov | true |
| 23:45.08 | Shirik | the site URL suggests that its all free :P |
| 23:45.12 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+b mascondante!*@*] by Cairenn |
| 23:45.14 | Shirik | I guess that was lost when I removed it |
| 23:46.08 | Cairenn | I sent a PM to mascondante telling him that he's temp banned and to PM one of us to get it lifted when he fixes his IRC connection |
| 23:46.12 | *** kick/#WoWUIDev [mascondante_____!n=Cairenn@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn] by Cairenn (Cairenn) |
| 23:46.44 | *** join/#wowuidev mascondante_____ (i=JosephPr@75-106-164-202.cust.wildblue.net) |
| 23:46.51 | Cairenn | grrrrr |
| 23:47.05 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-b+b mascondante!*@* *!*@75-106-164-202.cust.wildblue.net] by Shirik |
| 23:47.24 | *** kick/#WoWUIDev [mascondante!n=Cairenn@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn] by Cairenn (Cairenn) |
| 23:47.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | :O |
| 23:50.11 | wereHamster | is there a UnitIsDead/Corpse or is UnitHealth == 0 sufficient? |
| 23:50.37 | Cide | there is wowwiki |
| 23:50.51 | Kirov | There's about 4-5 of them |
| 23:50.54 | Kirov | take your pick |
| 23:51.18 | Cide | UnitIsDead, UnitIsGhost, UnitIsDeadOrGhost etc |
| 23:51.20 | wereHamster | my computer doesn't like when I play wow _and_ have firefox open... |
| 23:52.16 | *** join/#wowuidev dylanm (n=dylanm@63.87.201.114) |
| 23:52.29 | Kirov | UnitIsDeadAndGhost UnitIsDeadAndBarried UnitIsGhostNotDead |
| 23:52.39 | Kirov | a couple others of limited usefullness as well |
| 23:52.50 | Kirov | ;) |
| 23:53.05 | MentalPower | ~lart Kirov |
| 23:53.05 | purl | offers Kirov some herring |
| 23:53.50 | NightHawkAtWork | Kirov: "barried"? :P |
| 23:54.32 | Kirov | Like I said, limited usefullness |
| 23:56.10 | NightHawkAtWork | I'm just saying, I think you meant 'buried" |
| 23:56.39 | Kirov | Though, my own spelling inefficiencies aside, some horrible function names have made it in to the API before |
| 23:59.18 | haste | Kirov: like GetNumLaguages() :3 ? |
| 23:59.35 | MentalPower | didn't they finally fix that one? |
| 23:59.42 | haste | they have? |
| 23:59.49 | haste | oh they have |
| 23:59.59 | haste | "This function was incorrectly called GetNumLaguages() up until 2.4." :D |
