| 00:00.13 | enum | I don't want to rely on an external source. Once a patch is applied, and a new spell is added I have to wait for said list to update |
| 00:00.14 | Xinhuan | but definitely better than a 1-100000 loop |
| 00:00.32 | Yssaril | Xinhuan, yep but works for now :P till they give me a way to get spellids form my questlog :P |
| 00:00.39 | enum | if the trainer window has a "link" to the spell, couldn't it be said that there should be a way to access it? |
| 00:00.57 | Yssaril | enum, should be yes is there no |
| 00:01.06 | Xinhuan | perhaps blizzard didn't expose the number maybe because they didn't think an addon would ever need it? |
| 00:01.24 | enum | or maybe they just had more important things to work on |
| 00:01.45 | enum | started as a project, now it's a personal mission |
| 00:03.01 | amro | enum: best way is to generate the list yourself every patch, and use that |
| 00:04.41 | Xinhuan | did you check all the return values of :GetSpell() ? |
| 00:04.47 | Xinhuan | the first one, you said is the spellname |
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| 00:05.19 | amro | is it no longer possible to use a US client on EU servers? |
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| 00:16.33 | enum | Xinhuan: 2 values... Name and Rank |
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| 00:19.20 | Valaron|Work | Hmm... 4Gb of DDR2 800 RAM (PC2 6400) for $49. |
| 00:19.36 | Lopeppeppy | Hmmm.... sounds very too good to be true? |
| 00:19.40 | pastamancer | enum: if you want the perl code I used to generate the list of spell ids, let me know |
| 00:19.41 | Valaron|Work | Anyone know the brand name, Mushkin? |
| 00:19.43 | Valaron|Work | http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146731&CMP=AFC-C8Junction |
| 00:19.49 | pastamancer | mushkin I've heard of |
| 00:20.11 | Lopeppeppy | Hmm. NewEgg is quite reputable. |
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| 00:20.30 | amro | yes, they have crazy deals from time to time |
| 00:20.31 | Corrodias | mushkin has a reputation for good quality |
| 00:20.32 | Valaron|Work | Yeah.. I've bought from them before.. |
| 00:20.45 | Valaron|Work | Go to http://www.passwird.com |
| 00:20.47 | Corrodias | apparently not as widespread a reputation as i had thought, but it has one nonetheless |
| 00:20.51 | Valaron|Work | It lists deals. |
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| 00:22.53 | Valaron|Work | But.. up till now, I had never heard of Mushkin before. |
| 00:26.02 | Corrodias | do not worry; a few years ago, when i went looking for RAM, they were one of the best, from what i heard from other people. i haven't paid attention in the last few years, but i would assume it's still that way |
| 00:27.37 | Valaron|Work | I'm in the market for a new PC as soon as my Reno trip this past weekend is paid for. |
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| 00:33.23 | Lopeppeppy | I built mine out of NewEgg parts, Valaron. Not a lot of geeks buy their pre-made anymore. |
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| 00:34.53 | NightHawkAtWork | mac geeks do. >.> |
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| 00:43.19 | Lopeppeppy | Mac geeks are a very special breed, NightHawkTheSane. *nod* |
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| 00:52.04 | NightHawkAtWork | Ugh, how is it possible that the flex developers have -NO- idea what the XML structure is they need from the SOA, and only know if "it works" or "it doesn't". Are they coding by banging two cpus together? >< |
| 00:55.49 | Lopeppeppy | Stringing popcorn. *nod* |
| 00:59.24 | NightHawkAtWork | that would explain -so- much. ;) |
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| 01:02.42 | Lopeppeppy | Nom nom nom |
| 01:03.05 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy has a flava? |
| 01:03.22 | Lopeppeppy | Of course. *wink* Strawberry |
| 01:03.52 | WobWork | neopolitan |
| 01:04.02 | WobWork | chocolate, vanilla -and- strawberry |
| 01:05.05 | Lopeppeppy | No. Peppy is a unit. No disassemble Peppy! |
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| 01:05.52 | NightHawkAtWork | feh |
| 01:06.01 | NightHawkAtWork | neopolitan is better if you mix them all together anyway |
| 01:06.02 | NightHawkAtWork | :P |
| 01:06.14 | Lopeppeppy | Well... okay, but I totally want Magic Shell topping! |
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| 01:11.15 | WobWork | Lo-pep-peppy |
| 01:11.25 | WobWork | it's like neopolitan |
| 01:11.42 | NightHawkAtWork | better all in one than in three parts, like i said? :P |
| 01:12.35 | Lopeppeppy | Do not disassemble Peppy. *nod* All in one is just fine now that I think about it, yes. |
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| 01:17.22 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 01:17.30 | ScytheBlade1 | "No disassemble Peppey!" |
| 01:17.55 | Lopeppeppy | Less of the vowels, your accent is kinda funny there, ScytheBlade1. |
| 01:18.49 | Shirik | muahaha |
| 01:18.52 | Shirik | 945 mp5 now! |
| 01:18.56 | Shirik | And Im not even sure what I changed |
| 01:19.13 | NightHawkAtWork | while casting? |
| 01:19.23 | Shirik | hell no |
| 01:19.28 | NightHawkAtWork | how much when casting? :P |
| 01:19.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, heh. Just noticed that extra E, whoops |
| 01:19.46 | Shirik | 357 :( |
| 01:19.56 | Shirik | still, I know how to weave in and out of 5SR |
| 01:20.07 | NightHawkAtWork | yeah, as a shaman i never needed to learn that. :P |
| 01:20.20 | NightHawkAtWork | also, as a shaman, fuck you, and fuck your fucking spirit regen. |
| 01:20.26 | Shirik | hahahahahahahaha |
| 01:20.30 | Lopeppeppy | I'll hit you up for tips when I get higher level on my preeeesty, Shirik. |
| 01:21.05 | NightHawkAtWork | Shirik: what annoys me more is that the priests in my guild horde spriests like they need it, while I go oom, and still manage to heal more than them. >< |
| 01:22.55 | Shirik | oh hell no |
| 01:22.59 | Shirik | spriests typically go to the dps for us |
| 01:23.13 | Shirik | except in special cases like the mana burn boss for hyjal |
| 01:23.31 | NightHawkAtWork | yeah, I'd like to see them there too. but *shrug* if we have one, it goes in the priest group. if we have two, the top dps group gets one. |
| 01:23.34 | Shirik | anyway |
| 01:23.37 | Shirik | so much win! http://images.gammatester.com/pics/9e26e19cd6ebf36db3eaaef72bdfbaf5.jpg |
| 01:26.00 | Lopeppeppy | I love you Shirik, but you're gonna die. |
| 01:26.03 | Shirik | :( |
| 01:26.04 | Shirik | why? |
| 01:27.12 | Shirik | if I ever get rid of these damn primal mooncloth shoulders! |
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| 01:32.13 | Lukian | zomg Lopeppeppy stealthed! I can't see them anymore! :o |
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| 01:44.31 | Dolby | Shirik: read my msg? |
| 01:44.59 | Shirik | did now |
| 01:45.09 | Shirik | dont worry about it; Ill explain later, in raid |
| 01:49.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Ohh |
| 01:49.17 | ScytheBlade1 | We can play "critique Shirik's UI" |
| 01:49.31 | Shirik | my UI is literally throw everything where it fits |
| 01:49.39 | ScytheBlade1 | I noticed |
| 01:49.57 | kergoth | yipes, you have so much screenspace taken up by stuff |
| 01:50.01 | kergoth | big scales |
| 01:50.13 | kd3 | lua>1440/900 |
| 01:50.13 | lua_bot | kd3: 1.6 |
| 01:50.23 | kd3 | lua> 16/9 |
| 01:50.24 | lua_bot | kd3: 1.7777777777778 |
| 01:50.32 | Shirik | Its 1360x768 |
| 01:50.39 | kergoth | ah, that doesnt help |
| 01:50.53 | kd3 | no, no. just thinking in terms of my resolution |
| 01:51.02 | Shirik | anyway |
| 01:51.05 | kd3 | it's weird going from 4x3 -> 16x10 when setting up UIs |
| 01:51.06 | kergoth | http://kergoth.com/images/wowui-testing-20080403-2.jpg is the one i'm using lately, opinions? |
| 01:51.10 | Shirik | I like to have a ton of information |
| 01:51.21 | Shirik | I want to know everything I could possibly need to know |
| 01:51.30 | kergoth | dosent show party or raid, party frames are going across the top of the screen horizontally, and just using aX_RaidStatus in the lower right for raids |
| 01:51.32 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah but that's a bit excess |
| 01:51.38 | kd3 | so do I, but my stuff takes up less than a quarter of the screen |
| 01:51.41 | ScytheBlade1 | You've got various buss in three places |
| 01:51.43 | kd3 | and I've probably got more info than you |
| 01:51.44 | ScytheBlade1 | *buffs |
| 01:51.56 | Shirik | uh |
| 01:52.00 | Shirik | that stuff floating at the top isnt usually there |
| 01:52.06 | Shirik | thats Quartz because I have myself targeted |
| 01:52.06 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:52.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Well that helps |
| 01:52.55 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm kinda scared as to what you have behind the open character panel |
| 01:53.02 | Shirik | nothing actually |
| 01:53.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Because there must be something there |
| 01:53.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Really? Huh |
| 01:53.23 | Shirik | because I usually have a window open there ^_^ |
| 01:53.27 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:53.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Fair enough |
| 01:53.34 | Shirik | inspecting, whatever |
| 01:53.55 | Shirik | not during fights of course |
| 01:54.13 | ScytheBlade1 | http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/2.3/SboUI-Raid-2.3.png |
| 01:54.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Pretty much the only difference between my mage and druid, is that on the druid, grid is centered and enlarged |
| 01:55.06 | Shirik | I really need to get a higher resolution monitor |
| 01:55.12 | batrick | o ya |
| 01:55.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Also very true |
| 01:55.23 | kergoth | <3 1600x1080 |
| 01:55.29 | kergoth | er 1050, whatever it is |
| 01:55.35 | ScytheBlade1 | 1680x1050 |
| 01:55.37 | batrick | Shirik, did u get it working? |
| 01:55.46 | Shirik | sooooo close |
| 01:55.53 | batrick | =( |
| 01:56.02 | kergoth | hmm |
| 01:56.11 | kergoth | is an event fired when someone trades something to me? |
| 01:56.15 | Shirik | this whole thread termination thing is hurting my head |
| 01:56.16 | ScytheBlade1 | lua> 1680/1050 |
| 01:56.16 | lua_bot | ScytheBlade1: 1.6 |
| 01:56.18 | Shirik | and its difficult to track |
| 01:56.26 | batrick | well |
| 01:56.27 | Shirik | Im thinking about putting in _CrtOutputDebugString() calls |
| 01:56.49 | Shirik | but that tends to get spammy |
| 01:57.04 | batrick | you may need to maintain a boolean for windows that says whether a thread is cancellable at that moment |
| 01:57.11 | Shirik | I am actually |
| 01:57.16 | Shirik | just somethings not being checked correctly |
| 01:57.22 | Tem | ScytheBlade1, that's a fuckton of pallies in that raid |
| 01:57.32 | Shirik | I had to make these strange structures |
| 01:57.41 | Shirik | a pointer to an array of function pointers |
| 01:57.42 | Shirik | lol |
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| 01:58.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem: that's also my old guild |
| 01:58.27 | Shirik | one thing I do miss from C is realloc() |
| 01:58.29 | batrick | trust you to make it extra hard =) |
| 01:58.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem: one of those is also prot |
| 01:58.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem: but yes, it was somewhat scary |
| 01:58.47 | Shirik | made it so much easier |
| 01:58.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Wait holy crap, 6 pallies, I remember that raid |
| 01:59.00 | Tem | yeah |
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| 01:59.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Four were regulars |
| 01:59.10 | ScytheBlade1 | One was an alt |
| 01:59.17 | ScytheBlade1 | One was a random person we went looking for to fill a spot |
| 01:59.31 | ScytheBlade1 | (One was a female dwarf paladin :( ) |
| 01:59.47 | Tem | ha |
| 02:00.55 | kd3 | solo: http://ctscreens.net/10231 raid: http://ctscreens.net/10232 |
| 02:01.19 | kd3 | omen displays where the zone map would be |
| 02:02.48 | ScytheBlade1 | That's pretty nice |
| 02:02.49 | Hirsute | Speaking of omen... |
| 02:03.24 | Hirsute | Stupid question that is probably answered somewhere else: Any idea why Omen suddenly stopped displaying threat bars in single target mode for anyone other than me (including not showing one for my pet)? |
| 02:03.57 | Shirik | stupid question: did you already update? |
| 02:04.16 | Hirsute | Shirik: Yes, I run WAU before I log on every time, there's usually an Omen update |
| 02:04.30 | kd3 | make sure everyone in the party/raid has the same version |
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| 02:05.19 | Hirsute | Aye, tested it with my wife, also having the same version. What confounds me is that even when I have my pet out, it doesn't show his threat bar. Screen flashes when I pass 90% of his threat, but no bar for anyone but me |
| 02:06.12 | Hirsute | Wasn't sure if there was an obvious setting I was missing somewhere. |
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| 02:21.59 | Cairenn | ~lart Seerah |
| 02:21.59 | purl | judo chops Seerah |
| 02:22.10 | Seerah | ~lart Cairenn |
| 02:22.10 | purl | executes killall -HUP Cairenn |
| 02:22.19 | batrick | owww |
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| 02:23.24 | Cairenn | hahhaha |
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| 02:26.24 | Seerah | heeeeeeyyyyy |
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| 02:39.28 | AnduinLothar | what's the arena team invite slash command? |
| 02:40.07 | MentalPower | ./ainvite ? |
| 02:40.10 | MentalPower | I really dunno |
| 02:40.29 | MentalPower | nop, not ainvite |
| 02:40.29 | AnduinLothar | there we go |
| 02:40.31 | AnduinLothar | Appropriate format is /teaminvite [2v2, 3v3, 5v5] [player name] |
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| 02:46.11 | enum | my brain... it bleeds |
| 02:46.33 | Shirik | Seriously |
| 02:46.51 | Shirik | how does someone with 200 less +healing and the exact same spec quadruple your healing done |
| 02:46.54 | Shirik | I sitll cant get it |
| 02:47.07 | enum | I haven't even played the game in a month |
| 02:47.13 | enum | all my time is spent in code these days |
| 02:47.51 | Shirik | lua> 1756617/461768 |
| 02:47.51 | lua_bot | Shirik: 3.8041115885033 |
| 02:47.56 | Shirik | sorry, not quite quadruple |
| 02:47.57 | Shirik | 3.8x |
| 02:49.01 | enum | I just don't understand why this works /script ChatFrame1:AddMessage(GetSpellLink("Frostbolt(Rank 1)")); and this doesn't /script ChatFrame1:AddMessage(GetSpellLink("Pyroblast(Rank 1)")); |
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| 02:49.10 | enum | other than the fact that Frostbolt is in my spellbook |
| 02:49.12 | Seerah | any down time? mana needed, lag between casts? etc etc |
| 02:49.46 | Seerah | enum: is Pyroblast not in your spellbook? |
| 02:49.50 | enum | right |
| 02:50.06 | Seerah | then I think that's it. Can you link any other spell that you don't have? |
| 02:50.25 | enum | yeah, I know that's the issue. I'm really just beating a dead horse atm |
| 02:51.01 | enum | I'm obsessed on finding a way to obtain the link for all spells when I visit a trainer |
| 02:51.29 | enum | it's like I just can't let it go |
| 02:51.57 | Shirik | so Im looking at this level 1 priest that we just added to the guild as an officer alt |
| 02:52.09 | Shirik | and the fact that the bank log says they withdrew everything from tabs 1 and 2 |
| 02:54.00 | batrick | sounds like ur guild got owned |
| 02:54.51 | Seerah | yep |
| 02:55.30 | Shirik | its wierd though |
| 02:55.35 | Shirik | they only took the cheap things |
| 02:55.46 | Seerah | lol |
| 02:55.47 | Shirik | all the other 4 tabs, where the expensive stuff is, is still there |
| 02:56.17 | Shirik | and theres still 10kg in the bank |
| 02:56.46 | Shirik | and the 5 bazillion void crystals in tab 6 |
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| 02:58.02 | Shirik | oooh |
| 02:58.04 | Shirik | thats pretty |
| 02:58.07 | Shirik | !i swiftheal mantle |
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| 02:58.19 | Shirik | !ico swiftheal mantle; primal mooncloth shoulders |
| 02:58.24 | Shirik | we have that pattern in the bank o.o |
| 02:58.27 | Shirik | I should take that |
| 02:59.39 | Shirik | whats up with everything having haste lately.. |
| 03:00.25 | reqol | lots of haste on new gear ;p |
| 03:00.33 | Shirik | its annoying |
| 03:00.34 | reqol | 2.3 badge gear, zul'aman, magister's terrace... |
| 03:00.46 | Shirik | it can harm priest mechanics |
| 03:01.07 | Shirik | really just means I need to pay more attention |
| 03:01.08 | Shirik | but still |
| 03:01.31 | enum | ugh, so GetSpellLink(<spellid>) works just fine, but GetSpellLink(<spellname>) doesn't work at all unless it's in the spell book |
| 03:01.48 | enum | back, to trying to figure out how to get the od |
| 03:01.50 | enum | err id |
| 03:09.52 | reqol | does anyone know of a good alternative to XMLSpy? |
| 03:11.53 | MentalPower | erm... can't you build your own links from the name and the ID? |
| 03:12.11 | MentalPower | the format is standard enough |
| 03:13.06 | Tem | MentalPower, he doesn't have the id |
| 03:13.22 | Tem | and the name won't always work for him |
| 03:13.38 | MentalPower | yes he does |
| 03:13.46 | MentalPower | "GetSpellLink(<spellid>) works just fine" |
| 03:13.55 | MentalPower | that gives both id and name |
| 03:14.51 | Tem | he doesn't have the id |
| 03:15.07 | Tem | the trainer frame doesn't give you the spell id |
| 03:15.32 | MentalPower | I still don't see a problem |
| 03:15.46 | Tem | The problem is that he wants a spell id for a spell at the trainer |
| 03:15.47 | MentalPower | get the name from the trainer, compare with pre-mined hash table |
| 03:15.54 | MentalPower | get spellid |
| 03:16.04 | Tem | (or rather he wants a spell link) |
| 03:16.13 | enum | I was pulling id from spell links |
| 03:16.24 | enum | and had some id's I pulled from wowhead for testing |
| 03:16.34 | Tem | I'm confused |
| 03:16.41 | MentalPower | me too |
| 03:18.00 | enum | my goal, is to grab the spell id data when visiting a trainer. In my attempts I have learned that I am able to obtain an id by doing GetSpellLink(<spellname>). I started testing my code, and realized that this only worked for spells already in my spellbook ( e.g already trained ) |
| 03:18.31 | enum | I was curious if GetSpellLink(<spellid>) worked, so I went to wowhead and grabbed a random id and tested it, and it worked |
| 03:18.35 | enum | it game me the link |
| 03:19.13 | enum | which I was using to get the id... I know, I went in a circle, but this is a learning experience so I was trying eveyrthing I could to make it all make sense |
| 03:19.58 | MentalPower | so whats the current issue? |
| 03:20.37 | enum | I would like to obtain the spell id for a spell that is not in my spell book, without using a predefined list of ids |
| 03:20.56 | MentalPower | pre-defined as in gotten out of game? |
| 03:21.09 | MentalPower | or pre-defined as in "I don't want to mine in-game either" |
| 03:22.03 | enum | predefined as in external sources |
| 03:22.16 | MentalPower | mine in-game |
| 03:22.31 | enum | I'm ruined... my wife just brought me cake |
| 03:22.49 | End | lol |
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| 03:23.10 | enum | MentalPower: can you define "mine in-game", by gathering this data, I assumed that what I was attempting to do |
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| 03:24.05 | MentalPower | local spellIdTable = {} for i=1, 1000000 do spellIdTable[i] = GetSpellLink(i) end |
| 03:25.10 | enum | I almost actually had that built into my function... Had a problem with it freezing my box :) |
| 03:25.13 | MentalPower | takes about 2secs on mine |
| 03:25.29 | MentalPower | get up to 47653 |
| 03:25.52 | enum | I had a bit more logic, and was doing it based on which index I was on... Bad idea |
| 03:26.23 | MentalPower | I don't think Blizz will ever have more than 1mill spells |
| 03:26.29 | MentalPower | and if they do, just add another 0 |
| 03:27.02 | enum | is it possible to have that function write to file? |
| 03:27.11 | End | not really |
| 03:27.22 | MentalPower | not directly |
| 03:27.22 | End | saved variables is the best you got |
| 03:27.31 | MentalPower | you can output to SV then copy the SV |
| 03:27.41 | enum | I just wanna view it outside the game possibly |
| 03:27.48 | enum | chat window tends to clip after X lines |
| 03:28.02 | MentalPower | tahts easy |
| 03:28.09 | enum | oh man, this cake is sooooooooooooo good |
| 03:28.21 | MentalPower | just change the spellIdTable to your SV global |
| 03:28.26 | MentalPower | enum: cake is a lie :P |
| 03:28.33 | enum | MentalPower: this is not portal |
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| 03:28.45 | enum | and my friendship cube _will_ be there |
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| 03:29.45 | MentalPower | lol |
| 03:29.46 | enum | or was it companion cube? I forget |
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| 03:31.38 | MentalPower | companion cube |
| 03:32.11 | enum | hmm, haven't gotten to saved variables yet. To the Wiki Mobile! |
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| 03:39.03 | reqol | could anyone recommend an alternative to XMLSpy? |
| 03:39.38 | MentalPower | reqol: VS? |
| 03:39.48 | MentalPower | reqol: TBH, there aren't many alternatives |
| 03:41.02 | reqol | I expect to be berated but... VS? |
| 03:42.47 | MentalPower | Visual Studio |
| 03:43.34 | enum | so, when doing saved variables, is it possible to save to more than one file? For example Data set A get saved to MyAddon.lua and Data set B get Saved to MyAddon2.lua |
| 03:43.52 | reqol | ah, thank you. I mainly just enjoyed the validation, auto spacing, and element hierarchy |
| 03:43.53 | MentalPower | nop |
| 03:44.03 | MentalPower | enum: unless you have two addons |
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| 04:00.52 | Kirov | enum - why would you want to? |
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| 04:12.59 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:13.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Guild on Doomhammer |
| 04:13.05 | ScytheBlade1 | <Sand in my Vashj> |
| 04:13.18 | ScytheBlade1 | I sincerly hope that when that is changed, that they post on the CS boards |
| 04:19.07 | MentalPower | lol |
| 04:25.06 | WobWork | classy |
| 04:30.40 | enum | am I doing something wrong here? I run this code: http://wowi.pastey.net/85445 and after it's completed I do a /dump ID_Data and I get nil' |
| 04:31.40 | Shirik | if youre not going to use found you should use string.match |
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| 04:31.50 | Shirik | anyway, I would do an assert(itemString) |
| 04:32.28 | enum | The function completes, I can print the data just fine. It just won't go into ID_Data table |
| 04:33.01 | Shirik | thats why I suggest you do assert(itemString) |
| 04:33.10 | enum | assertion failed |
| 04:33.16 | Shirik | so your pattern is wrong |
| 04:33.34 | enum | pattern works, I get plenty of results |
| 04:33.45 | Shirik | if the assertion failed it definitely didnt work :P |
| 04:33.49 | WobWork | rofl |
| 04:33.55 | NightHawkTheSane | hmmm.. 7 melee for archimonde. not sure if thats good or bad. |
| 04:33.58 | enum | I think I ran assert wrong |
| 04:34.10 | Shirik | assert checks to see if the expression evaluates to true. If not, it throws an error |
| 04:34.12 | WobWork | remind me not to change the character encoding to utf-16 =P |
| 04:34.17 | Shirik | ~lart WobWork |
| 04:34.17 | purl | hits WobWork with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha |
| 04:34.21 | WobWork | all of a sudden everyone was speaking in chinese =P |
| 04:34.55 | Shirik | lol |
| 04:35.10 | WobWork | Antiar1 is now known as ä
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² |
| 04:37.32 | WobWork | which roughly translates to miserly jade |
| 04:37.38 | WobWork | oO |
| 04:38.27 | enum | ok, assert is returning true. Still nothing in the table |
| 04:44.07 | MentalPower | WobWork: lol! |
| 04:46.40 | enum | it has to do with my saved variables... |
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| 04:51.56 | Antiarc | So |
| 04:52.01 | Antiarc | I just told this story in #wowace |
| 04:52.08 | Antiarc | But our anvil opened today |
| 04:52.17 | Antiarc | There are like 200 people standing on it, and nobody can get to it |
| 04:52.25 | Antiarc | So a GM showed up and cast L4 Arcane Charge on the anvil vendor |
| 04:52.35 | Antiarc | Which is that spotlight nuke that the bots before Council in BT use :P |
| 04:52.45 | Antiarc | That hits you for like 12k if you stand in it |
| 04:53.05 | NightHawkTheSane | so like 200 people just bit it? :P |
| 04:53.07 | leftbracket | screenshot? |
| 04:53.17 | Antiarc | I'm in BT, but a guildmate told me about it |
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| 04:54.59 | MentalPower | Antiarc: thats priceless |
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| 05:04.43 | enum | MentalPower: would there be a way to say, only update this variable if there is a new patch, or even better. Load this variable when we need it, and unload after |
| 05:04.58 | MentalPower | no and no |
| 05:05.12 | MentalPower | well, maybe on the first |
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| 05:05.35 | MentalPower | we have GetBuildInfo() |
| 05:05.56 | enum | basically, I load the addon and it takes up 5mb. a bit too much imo |
| 05:06.22 | Antiarc | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/badgevendor.jpg |
| 05:06.32 | enum | without the huge table of id's it's like 500k |
| 05:07.27 | NightHawkTheSane | thats beautiful, Antiarc |
| 05:09.04 | Gnarfoz | I'd hope for some GM action when that day comes for my server, too |
| 05:09.26 | Gnarfoz | but as I know my server, there'll probably be 3-5 people going there each hour or so. |
| 05:09.57 | MentalPower | enum: I'm sorry to say this, but theres no way to remedy that |
| 05:10.21 | MentalPower | unless you only ask for the info when you need it, and don't save it to SV |
| 05:10.42 | MentalPower | you could try some compression schemes, but that will increase the CPU time required to extract the data |
| 05:10.50 | MentalPower | so its a tradeoff between memory and CPU |
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| 05:35.51 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm. is there any grid module that'd put raid icons next to the char name? |
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| 05:46.57 | Gnarfoz | NightHawkTheSane: there's a grid module that provides raid icons as a status, yes. where you place that status should, as usual, be up to you ;) |
| 05:47.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Gnarfoz: thats probably close enouogh. |
| 05:47.21 | NightHawkTheSane | on wowi or wowace i assume? |
| 05:47.26 | NightHawkTheSane | or built in to grid? |
| 05:47.28 | Gnarfoz | GridStatusRaidIcons it is, then |
| 05:47.34 | Gnarfoz | wowace |
| 05:47.38 | NightHawkTheSane | danke |
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| 05:47.54 | Gnarfoz | gerne |
| 05:48.21 | Gnarfoz | (heh, ppl saying thx in my native language feels weird. :P) |
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| 05:54.13 | cogwheel | rofl... I was just about to ask, "anyone know of some good php tutorials?" and then something struck me... |
| 05:54.36 | cogwheel | (and if you know wtf i'm talking about you probably need to get a life) |
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| 05:56.17 | cogwheel | there we go... http://bash.org/?790689 |
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| 05:56.46 | MentalPower | lol |
| 05:56.54 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 05:57.01 | MentalPower | I had not read that particular bash.org gem |
| 05:57.47 | NightHawkTheSane | cogwheel: hahahaha |
| 05:57.59 | NightHawkTheSane | that's awesome |
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| 06:02.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | hefeweizen |
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| 07:15.20 | reqol | VS won't install : ( |
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| 07:25.38 | NightHawkTheSane | *sigh* |
| 07:25.50 | NightHawkTheSane | countless archimonde wipes, and we've yet to live past 2 minute |
| 07:25.55 | NightHawkTheSane | s |
| 07:26.17 | Tem | okay, what the hell |
| 07:26.23 | Tem | this is an actual error message |
| 07:26.29 | Tem | from an actual scheme interpreter |
| 07:26.39 | Tem | Error: randomness after form after dot |
| 07:32.20 | batrick | does wowmatrix keep local copies of mods? |
| 07:32.48 | MentalPower | reqol: y not? |
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| 07:34.46 | reqol | MentalPower: I've got it installing now, but I doubt I have the right one |
| 07:35.02 | MentalPower | doesn't matter which one really |
| 07:35.14 | MentalPower | and actually you could have used AddOn Studio |
| 07:35.25 | MentalPower | its free, and even helps you create WoW mods |
| 07:35.52 | reqol | when it was first released I heard a lot of bad things from people who tried it out |
| 07:35.56 | reqol | I'm guessing it's improved since then |
| 07:36.18 | reqol | or it wasn't that bad to begin with, anyway |
| 07:36.30 | MentalPower | it wasn't that bad |
| 07:36.34 | MentalPower | and its gotten better |
| 07:47.37 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane: You know what helped us |
| 07:47.43 | Shirik | go into the fight and dont attack |
| 07:47.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: is it not sucking |
| 07:47.46 | NightHawkTheSane | ? |
| 07:47.52 | NightHawkTheSane | cause i think thats what would help us |
| 07:47.56 | Shirik | the raid needs to learn how not to die |
| 07:48.07 | NightHawkTheSane | we've done a number of attempts like that |
| 07:48.08 | Shirik | Not doing dps allowed everyone to focus on learning how to stay alive |
| 07:48.11 | Shirik | oh |
| 07:48.15 | Shirik | then yeah, try to suck less |
| 07:50.51 | NightHawkTheSane | its probably not helping that we have like 8 melee |
| 07:51.14 | NightHawkTheSane | and only 7 healers |
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| 07:53.19 | NightHawkTheSane | but i think mostly its the not sucking |
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| 07:56.38 | reqol | I wish xmlspy wasn't $539 |
| 07:57.00 | amro | yeah, sorta crazy |
| 07:57.05 | MentalPower | ouch... |
| 07:57.12 | MentalPower | never knew it was that much |
| 07:57.17 | MentalPower | I've never used it |
| 07:57.22 | reqol | that's just the professional edition, enterprise is like $1000 |
| 07:57.30 | MentalPower | o.O |
| 07:57.37 | amro | I just use text editors nowadays |
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| 07:57.49 | amro | and VS express has decent XML features |
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| 07:58.51 | reqol | the only thing I liked from XMLSpy that I don't know how to utilize on VS is the element heirarchy in the top right that shows you all of the possible tags and elements you can use depending on the schema you had |
| 07:59.09 | reqol | I haven't quite memorized everything and it made it a ton easier |
| 07:59.30 | amro | VS has auto completion |
| 08:00.40 | reqol | aye, that helps, thanks! is what I had before not possible with VS? |
| 08:01.08 | amro | what do you mean? |
| 08:01.25 | reqol | is it possible to view the element hierarchy in VS? |
| 08:02.04 | amro | oh |
| 08:02.37 | amro | I don't know, I don't use it much. But I it might, since it has autocompletion |
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| 08:03.43 | NightHawkTheSane | what do you mean by view element hierarchy? |
| 08:05.01 | reqol | for example it had like <Frame> and then all of frames attributes under that, and then <Button> and all of it's attributes, etc |
| 08:05.15 | reqol | and I could view them in the window so I wouldn't have to look them up over and over |
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| 08:41.07 | amro | is there a way to stop buffs that you cast on yourself from highlighting in the actionbar? |
| 08:43.50 | Tem | isn't that a bongos 3 feature? |
| 08:43.59 | Tem | or was that added with the patch to the base UI and I never noticed? |
| 08:44.19 | NightHawkTheSane | i believe its a bongos feature, yes. |
| 08:44.24 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont see a way to turn it off. |
| 08:44.28 | Tem | there is a way |
| 08:44.31 | Tem | because I have it off |
| 08:44.38 | Tem | hang on, lemme look |
| 08:44.53 | NightHawkTheSane | i didnt look very hard |
| 08:45.09 | NightHawkTheSane | ah, yeah, the highlight buffs ceheckbox |
| 08:46.13 | Tem | yep |
| 08:46.23 | Tem | bongos options |
| 08:46.28 | Tem | ActionBars |
| 08:46.40 | Tem | Colors sub area |
| 08:46.52 | Tem | Highlight buffs checkbox |
| 08:51.28 | amro | oops, I've been using bongos since 2.4 and didn't notic |
| 08:51.31 | amro | thanks |
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| 09:42.41 | reqol | I made a screenshot of what I'm trying to do in VS, the elements and attributes windows in XMLspy http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/3695/xmlspyad1.png |
| 09:42.47 | reqol | I know it's a longshot but I figured I might as well ask anyway |
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| 10:33.45 | amro | reqol: I don't think it can do that, at least not Express Edition |
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| 10:35.45 | reqol | damn, that's one of the major (if not THE) reason I use dit |
| 10:36.30 | reqol | s/reason/reason(s)/ |
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| 10:53.53 | art3mis | anyone know if there's a falling damage formula? |
| 10:54.41 | reqol | amro: do you just not code much XML, or do you use something else? |
| 10:55.18 | Drundia | something like g*t*maxhealth :) |
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| 11:24.48 | reqol | how do you guys generally go about tracking down a particularly elusive bug? |
| 11:25.34 | Drundia | printing all variables on every line ;) |
| 11:29.13 | haste | read the code (tm) |
| 11:30.22 | haste | most of the elusive bugs I encouter are user errors tho' |
| 11:30.23 | krka | i just compare the code with a specification of the desired behaviour |
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| 11:41.34 | Cide | I prefer this algorithm, designed by Feynman: |
| 11:41.38 | Cide | 1. Write down the problem |
| 11:41.40 | Cide | 2. Think very hard |
| 11:41.44 | Cide | 3. Write down the answer |
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| 11:55.16 | [Liquidor] | Good morning world |
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| 15:27.28 | cog|work | ~lart3mis |
| 15:27.29 | purl | ACTION smacks art3mis upside the head just cuz |
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| 15:32.12 | cog|work | i really need to get some caffeinated soap for my morning showers... /drowse |
| 15:34.57 | zenzelezz | my brother uses this thing, http://www.thinkgeek.com/caffeine/accessories/5f0b/ |
| 15:35.00 | zenzelezz | claims it works |
| 15:37.36 | Matrix110| | cog just get some http://www.thinkgeek.com/images/products/zoom/mana_energy_potion.jpg and you are fine:P |
| 15:38.51 | Lopeppeppy | Cogwheel, I make coffee soap. |
| 15:40.01 | Matrix110| | soap making is fun :D |
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| 15:40.24 | Lopeppeppy | I love it. Easy, creative, cleans up easy, useful. |
| 15:40.30 | Matrix110| | and remember to break into some hospital to get the best fat available! |
| 15:40.32 | cog|work | Matrix110|: they're out |
| 15:40.51 | cog|work | http://www.manapotions.com/buy.html |
| 15:41.32 | Matrix110| | thinkgeek got them in stock:P |
| 15:41.35 | Matrix110| | guess why they are out! |
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| 15:42.44 | cog|work | thinkgeek calls them "in stock" but says "Stock Note: A new batch of Mana Energy Potions should be in stock shortly." right underneath ;) |
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| 15:43.29 | Matrix110| | :-( |
| 15:43.53 | Matrix110| | Its kinda funny that they just came out this year :D |
| 15:44.24 | Matrix110| | but the color fails they are green and not blue :-( |
| 15:44.30 | Matrix110| | and they dont offer HP Pots yet! |
| 15:45.44 | cog|work | Matrix110|: it's easier to prove health pots don't work... |
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| 15:46.09 | Matrix110| | :D |
| 15:46.12 | cog|work | it's kinda hard to cop out with "these statements have not been evaluated by the FDA yadda yadda" when your arm's off... |
| 15:46.23 | Wraanger | heyaz |
| 15:46.32 | cog|work | yo |
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| 15:56.08 | cog|work | I'm surprised "MS Clearflow To Help Drivers Avoid Traffic Jams" hasn't been tagged with whatcouldpossiblygowrong yet... |
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| 15:58.38 | Saint-N | maybe they'll use the tech to help nvidia and printer manufactuers with vista drivers ;P |
| 15:58.55 | cog|work | ~rimshot |
| 15:58.56 | purl | ba-dum CHH |
| 15:58.59 | cog|work | oh and |
| 15:59.01 | cog|work | ~lart3mis |
| 15:59.01 | purl | ACTION smacks art3mis upside the head just cuz |
| 15:59.41 | Matrix110| | Vista wants to install old beta drivers instead of the newest offical ones ... i dont get it |
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| 16:09.27 | Cairenn | Kirkburn: you still in the UK? |
| 16:10.20 | Valle | question - if I have two frames, and what one to be on top of the other .... lower frame should be FrameLevel(0) and upper FrameLevel(1) ? |
| 16:11.20 | Cairenn | Valle: believe so, yes |
| 16:11.27 | Cairenn | soufron_: hi |
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| 16:12.00 | Valaron|Work | Bah |
| 16:12.14 | Valle | hrm .... strange then |
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| 16:13.10 | Valaron|Work | So.. Windows Servers 2003 and 2008 comes with this Unix<->Windows Password Synchronization, but only if you're running HPUX11,Red Hat Linux, IBM AIX, or Solaris 7 or 8. |
| 16:13.37 | Lopeppeppy | Only. If. All. Ugh. |
| 16:14.28 | Valaron|Work | Now I have to go muck with the code to dump the PAM stuff to make it work in other Linux distros. |
| 16:14.33 | sag_ich_nicht | i hate you HTML |
| 16:14.40 | sag_ich_nicht | and i also hate YOU, photoshop |
| 16:16.33 | Cairenn | anyone in UK? |
| 16:17.10 | sag_ich_nicht | ask clad|office |
| 16:17.11 | sag_ich_nicht | :P |
| 16:17.25 | Cairenn | he's away for a few days |
| 16:17.46 | Cairenn | keep meaning to ask this and keep forgetting :p |
| 16:17.48 | Valle | oh, btw ... may be someone knows color codes for the color of Savantido's UFs ? =) |
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| 16:21.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Valle: take a screenshot, open it in gimp/photoshop/paint, and find out? ;) |
| 16:21.28 | Valle | i was hoping someone knows it )) |
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| 16:21.59 | Kirkburn | Cairenn, yup |
| 16:22.00 | Saint-N | get pixie |
| 16:22.12 | Cairenn | Kirkburn: what's the legal drinking age over there? |
| 16:22.14 | Saint-N | just hover over the colours and itll give you the html rgb and cmyk |
| 16:22.16 | Kirkburn | 18 |
| 16:22.19 | Kirkburn | Er, wait |
| 16:22.25 | Kirkburn | Yeah, 18 |
| 16:22.28 | Cairenn | thanks |
| 16:23.05 | Kirkburn | Why? :) |
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| 16:24.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Awesome, Terocone at 60g/20 on my server |
| 16:24.58 | Cairenn | also, do you know anything about the Newcaslte Upon Tyne area, particularly South Shields? |
| 16:25.31 | Cairenn | Newcastle* |
| 16:25.55 | Kirkburn | Cairenn, nah, never really been up there |
| 16:26.00 | Cairenn | hokay |
| 16:26.34 | Cairenn | that's where daughter is going on her dig this summer, at the Roman fort up by Hadrian's Wall |
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| 16:30.24 | Lopeppeppy | That is so awesome, Cairenn. Tell her at least one random geek internet stranger is jealous of her opportunity! :) |
| 16:30.32 | Cairenn | :) |
| 16:31.03 | Cairenn | hell, her mom is jealous and so very tempted to tag along ;) |
| 16:31.13 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 16:34.34 | wereHamster | I did the Myers Briggs personality test ~5 years ago and now again, unsurprisingly with the same result. And now I'm reading an extended description of my type. It's incredible how acurately the text describes my personality and it also helps me understand why I do what I do... |
| 16:39.53 | ralfWORK | wereHamster: *nod* it's pretty cool iirc |
| 16:40.12 | Lopeppeppy | It has a lot of applications, especially over time. |
| 16:40.18 | Lopeppeppy | Did you take it online, or paper version? |
| 16:41.09 | wereHamster | online, I had to do the test in a class |
| 16:41.23 | sag_ich_nicht | http://pastebin.com/m7cce3491 <--this is my code(ignore that pastebin broke the CSS on lines 44/45, it's 1 line). this is the bug: http://img527.imageshack.us/my.php?image=drecksie2nr8.jpg (text flowing out of the right side) help me please? D: |
| 16:41.35 | wereHamster | .. for a class, an assignment, and we have to write an essay about our personality :) |
| 16:43.43 | ralfWORK | what class is this? |
| 16:44.05 | Saint-N | i love love love my new job |
| 16:44.08 | Saint-N | its the bestest |
| 16:44.25 | Saint-N | today because the rangers won last nights game it was sammich and panini day |
| 16:44.35 | Saint-N | tuesday was pizza day cuz i was hired ;P |
| 16:44.41 | Saint-N | tomorrow if bacon friday |
| 16:44.49 | Saint-N | im gonna get so fat |
| 16:45.04 | ralfWORK | viva 1990's pre-bubble bursting tech shops :P |
| 16:45.16 | wereHamster | 'Management', part of it is how to manage groups of people/organizations, the whole social aspect of groups, conflict escalation etc |
| 16:45.26 | ralfWORK | wereHamster: gotcha |
| 16:48.01 | Saint-N | heh its an internet trading platform and data provider place |
| 16:48.11 | Saint-N | ranked best of nyc last year |
| 16:48.11 | ralfWORK | how did I know |
| 16:48.30 | Saint-N | we have a ds 3 just for out office |
| 16:51.22 | ralfWORK | booo |
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| 16:57.10 | sag_ich_nicht | LOL |
| 16:57.13 | sag_ich_nicht | wait |
| 16:57.14 | sag_ich_nicht | wrong channel |
| 16:58.18 | Saint-N | nothing funny herte, move along |
| 16:59.04 | Fisker- | anyone here know java? :O |
| 16:59.39 | ralfWORK | lolwut |
| 17:00.12 | Saint-N | shirik |
| 17:00.35 | Saint-N | but hes not gonna tell you cuz yer a douche ;) |
| 17:02.03 | Fisker- | most definitely |
| 17:02.06 | Fisker- | but i'm a cool douche |
| 17:02.17 | enum | I need a vote if you all don't mind. All those who think getting the id's for all trainable items including trade skills, and spells if futile say 'aye' |
| 17:02.29 | enum | just by visiting the trainer |
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| 17:04.26 | Gnarfoz | wut |
| 17:04.39 | Gnarfoz | what for? |
| 17:05.40 | enum | the only way I've been able to get this is by looping i from 1 to 100000, grabing the name and rank from GetXInfo(i) and matching the name |
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| 17:06.03 | enum | then if the name matches, capture i as an id, but it's been rather system resource intensive |
| 17:06.53 | enum | The other way, is to just grab all of the info as strings, and *hope* that I can match it up with the game data |
| 17:07.27 | enum | I've been working on this for 2 weeks |
| 17:07.29 | enum | haha |
| 17:07.49 | Saint-N | you picked a good nick though ;P |
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| 17:14.37 | MaienM | I've got a kinda strange problem, and hope you guys can help me out |
| 17:15.11 | MaienM | When I use SendAddonMessage, I get PREFIXMESSAGE shown in my chat frame |
| 17:15.21 | Saint-N | the person that handles strange problems is out today but if you leave a message someone will get back to you. |
| 17:15.25 | Saint-N | BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP |
| 17:15.44 | MaienM | like, the prefix is X and the message is Y, I get XY in my chatframe |
| 17:15.55 | MaienM | AAAAAHA DAMN I hate voicemail:( |
| 17:18.17 | MaienM | anyone? |
| 17:24.07 | Shirik|zZz | wow that was fast |
| 17:24.29 | Shirik | I called my parents yesterday afternoon at about 4PM saying I needed some more blank checks |
| 17:24.37 | Shirik | the UPS guy just came and delivered them >.> |
| 17:24.48 | Saint-N | how is jeeves |
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| 17:28.11 | ralfWORK | must be nice |
| 17:28.48 | ralfWORK | "hey mom I need some blank checks. kthxbai" |
| 17:29.03 | Shirik | theyre to my account... |
| 17:29.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Uh-huh |
| 17:29.36 | ralfWORK | suuuure |
| 17:29.47 | ralfWORK | that's why you had to talk to your parents instead of the bank |
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| 17:30.28 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha |
| 17:30.28 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jsessionid=94846881BFC2FEC6CC4DA2CA9F433F76?topicId=5784521763&sid=1#6 |
| 17:30.31 | ScytheBlade1 | last line |
| 17:30.51 | ralfWORK | heh |
| 17:30.52 | cog|work | lern2postlinksafterloggingintogetridofthestupidjsessionidcrap |
| 17:31.13 | ScytheBlade1 | That'd take effort :( |
| 17:32.05 | ScytheBlade1 | If they gave me a "stay logged in" box I'd check it and that would be that |
| 17:32.17 | cog|work | ReloadEvery |
| 17:32.22 | cog|work | (assuming you use FF) |
| 17:32.26 | ScytheBlade1 | That's not the problem |
| 17:32.32 | ralfWORK | cog|work: addon? |
| 17:32.34 | ScytheBlade1 | The problem is that I close my browser every 5 minutes |
| 17:32.41 | cog|work | bleh |
| 17:32.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, doesn't do me a lot of good |
| 17:32.58 | ScytheBlade1 | I've even got the forums whitelisted, but, eh |
| 17:35.47 | zenzelezz | I just wish I didn't have to select my language every time I visited the forum |
| 17:36.20 | Shirik | batrick: pop quiz! (Or any other EE). Op-Amps: Vcc/Vee or Vdd/Vss? |
| 17:36.35 | Shirik | I think its the latter but I forget |
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| 17:40.35 | Shirik | :( |
| 17:40.45 | Shirik | I will convert everyone over to my charset |
| 17:40.55 | haste | which is? :-P |
| 17:41.00 | Shirik | not really sure |
| 17:41.08 | haste | I can't even see your "'" |
| 17:41.13 | Shirik | I know >< |
| 17:41.19 | Shirik | half of the people are saying this |
| 17:41.24 | Shirik | it randomly switched on its own and I dont know why |
| 17:41.43 | Fisker- | Shirik |
| 17:41.45 | Fisker- | you know java! |
| 17:41.57 | Shirik | unfortunately |
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| 17:42.05 | Fisker- | you can halp me! |
| 17:42.06 | Fisker- | if you want |
| 17:42.21 | Shirik | whats up? |
| 17:42.33 | Fisker- | need to do some drawrect in a panel |
| 17:42.46 | haste | Shirik: get a better client imo! |
| 17:42.52 | Fisker- | and the teacher wants me to make a class that inherits canvas |
| 17:42.53 | Fisker- | http://ace.pastey.net/85463-2nvr |
| 17:43.23 | Fisker- | if i don't do a class and just put a paint method in it works, but otherwise not |
| 17:44.42 | Shirik | you never added a NiceGraphix object |
| 17:45.00 | Shirik | NiceGrafix |
| 17:45.21 | Shirik | nm |
| 17:45.22 | Shirik | I see it now |
| 17:45.28 | Fisker- | p4.add(test = new NiceGrafix()); |
| 17:45.30 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 17:46.12 | Shirik | you really should override getMinimumSize, getPreferredSize |
| 17:46.18 | Shirik | getMaximumSize |
| 17:46.24 | Shirik | otherwise you really dont know what the size of that canvas is going to be |
| 17:46.47 | Fisker- | i'm a bit novice got a quick example for me? |
| 17:47.41 | Shirik | what Java are you using, 5? |
| 17:47.47 | MaienM | what was the problem again? |
| 17:47.56 | Fisker- | 6 |
| 17:48.06 | Shirik | k then youre missing an @Override notation too |
| 17:48.27 | Shirik | http://ace.pastey.net/85469 |
| 17:48.51 | Shirik | see highlighted lines. If you dont do that, you really dont know what size its going to be, and its probably going to be a1px canvas |
| 17:49.21 | Fisker- | alright |
| 17:49.40 | haste | I think Shirik is really just after some "PR" |
| 17:49.53 | Shirik | o.o? |
| 17:50.29 | *** join/#wowuidev Kirov (n=Kirov@204.155.78.243) |
| 17:50.32 | Shirik | er, I take it back Fisker-, those arent overrides |
| 17:50.36 | Shirik | remove the @Override line :P |
| 17:51.14 | *** join/#wowuidev Lunessa (n=Lunessa@129.7.92.147) |
| 17:51.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Bah. Given a decent weapon, I can burst my spelldamage to +2096. |
| 17:51.33 | Shirik | oh wait yes it is |
| 17:51.36 | Shirik | I need to go back to sleep |
| 17:51.37 | haste | Shirik: http://beverpung.net/images/temp/2008-04-10-195054_1015x33_scrot.png |
| 17:51.52 | Shirik | rofl |
| 17:51.58 | ralfWORK | ScytheBlade1: dafux hao? |
| 17:52.34 | ScytheBlade1 | ralfWORK: every consumable and trinket you can think of. Note that I'm working on Teron atm, with six Karazahn epics. |
| 17:52.46 | Shirik | lol |
| 17:52.47 | ralfWORK | I forget your class... lock? |
| 17:52.50 | ScytheBlade1 | As a footnote, the weapon upgrade would only be +88 |
| 17:52.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Mage |
| 17:52.56 | ralfWORK | ah |
| 17:53.03 | wereHamster | haste, export LANG="en_US.UTF-8" ;) |
| 17:53.06 | ScytheBlade1 | So even given my crappy current (reputation) weapon |
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| 17:53.12 | ScytheBlade1 | I could break 2k spelldamage |
| 17:53.14 | haste | wereHamster: I do run UTF-8, so that's not the issue |
| 17:53.28 | haste | wereHamster: I also don't run recode |
| 17:53.36 | ralfWORK | sad thing is I think I have like 3 kara epics and 1 ZA epic |
| 17:53.37 | ScytheBlade1 | haste: I just think that it is time Shirik stops using mIRC |
| 17:53.38 | wereHamster | I run UTF-8 and shirik's line displayed correctly here |
| 17:53.45 | ralfWORK | everything else is badge/craftable/heroic |
| 17:53.50 | haste | ScytheBlade1: I believe the issue is there |
| 17:54.03 | Fisker- | wut |
| 17:54.04 | haste | wereHamster: and you have set your client to utf-8 also? |
| 17:54.05 | Fisker- | kthx Shirik |
| 17:54.07 | Fisker- | I LOVE YOU |
| 17:54.09 | zenzelezz | Shirik's lines display fine for me too |
| 17:54.17 | Shirik | hey is this better? " |
| 17:54.21 | End | yes |
| 17:54.25 | haste | that one was fine |
| 17:54.26 | Shirik | bah, that's boring |
| 17:54.26 | wereHamster | haste, on all systems that I use I have LANG="en_US.UTF-8" |
| 17:54.34 | Shirik | I want a multibyte edit box :( |
| 17:54.41 | haste | wereHamster: irssi won't run utf-8 with just that set |
| 17:54.52 | wereHamster | well, it does here.. |
| 17:55.00 | wereHamster | I didn't have to do anything else |
| 17:55.12 | haste | wereHamster: term_charset usually overrides |
| 17:55.20 | ScytheBlade1 | [kyle@localhost ~]$ set | grep LANG |
| 17:55.20 | ScytheBlade1 | LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 17:55.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Does not display properly here in irssi |
| 17:55.32 | Shirik | meh, back to my superquotes |
| 17:55.34 | End | it wasn't working for me either, even though I told irssi to use utf-8 |
| 17:55.34 | wereHamster | .. unless /set charset is saved between irssi restart |
| 17:55.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: die |
| 17:55.39 | Fisker- | though it's odd Shirik |
| 17:55.40 | haste | 19:55:25 haste@Midkemia ~ $ locale |
| 17:55.40 | haste | LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 17:55.46 | haste | so that's not the issue |
| 17:55.55 | haste | irssi also runs utf-8 as term_charset |
| 17:55.58 | Fisker- | there was one with the exact same code as me (the graphics part) |
| 17:56.01 | Fisker- | and it worked for him |
| 17:56.02 | haste | and I can see kanji and kana just fine |
| 17:56.09 | Fisker- | could it be a difference in jdk's? |
| 17:56.11 | Shirik | ??????????! |
| 17:56.16 | Shirik | aw |
| 17:56.18 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:56.20 | Shirik | no japanese chars :( |
| 17:56.26 | haste | I do have |
| 17:56.30 | haste | åãï¼ |
| 17:56.34 | Shirik | apparently my client converts them into ? before sending |
| 17:56.38 | Shirik | even though I can type them into the box |
| 17:56.41 | MaienM | those "superquotes" are messed up for me.... |
| 17:56.44 | haste | sounds like mIRC is awesome |
| 17:56.50 | haste | same MaienM |
| 17:56.58 | Shirik | obviously your computer is not super enough to handel them |
| 17:57.04 | haste | I blame mIRC |
| 17:57.14 | Shirik | hahaha get it? Youre on Linux and dont have handles, its a Win32 thing |
| 17:57.16 | Shirik | I crack myself up |
| 17:57.32 | Shirik | off to class, Fisker-, Ill be back soon if you havent gotten it working yet |
| 17:57.37 | MaienM | Yeah, let's blame mirc |
| 17:57.38 | Cairenn | Kirov: I edited my post on the WoW Matrix thread, you might want go check out the stuff I added |
| 17:57.47 | wereHamster | haste, maybe it's gentoo that compiles irssi with utf8 by default. I also run irssi in a screen session and I didn't have to use -U |
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| 17:57.57 | haste | wereHamster: I also run Gentoo |
| 17:57.59 | Fisker- | yeah it basically works |
| 17:57.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/misc/shirik-die.png |
| 17:58.02 | Fisker- | although it's centered for some reason |
| 17:58.07 | haste | wereHamster: I also run irssi in screen |
| 17:58.13 | Fisker- | it'll be good enough atleast |
| 17:58.13 | ScytheBlade1 | haste: same here! |
| 17:58.14 | wereHamster | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:58.15 | haste | wereHamster: and I don't use -U |
| 17:58.25 | haste | wereHamster: and japanese works just fine |
| 17:58.35 | haste | only Shirik's text show up broken |
| 17:58.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup. Same here. |
| 17:58.50 | zenzelezz | X-Chat seems to understand most of Shirik's lines (just not the questionmarks) |
| 17:58.56 | wereHamster | haste, maybe you just have the font missing? (which terminal do you use btw? I use gnome-terminal) |
| 17:58.59 | Shirik | the questionmarks were on my side |
| 17:59.05 | Shirik | it converted them to ? before sending them |
| 17:59.11 | ScytheBlade1 | mIRC does that |
| 17:59.12 | haste | wereHamster: I use urxvt, and why would I miss ' ` ' |
| 17:59.25 | haste | and only from Shirik's messages |
| 17:59.27 | ScytheBlade1 | haste: http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/misc/shirik-die.png <-- that match what you're seeing? |
| 17:59.56 | Shirik|AFK | lua> string.byte([[`]]), string.byte([[`]]) |
| 17:59.56 | lua_bot | Shirik|AFK: 96, 96 |
| 17:59.59 | Shirik|AFK | wierd |
| 18:00.04 | Shirik|AFK | and you cant see the first? |
| 18:00.12 | MaienM | I see black block's instead of á |
| 18:00.13 | haste | I'll take a screen :p |
| 18:00.16 | ScytheBlade1 | I can see the first right there |
| 18:00.25 | Shirik|AFK | the first is mine, the second is hastes |
| 18:00.31 | Shirik|AFK | I dunno |
| 18:00.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Look identical to me |
| 18:00.42 | ScytheBlade1 | And lua_bot would agree |
| 18:01.00 | haste | I see both of those |
| 18:01.02 | End | I think Shirik|AFK just showed where it -wasn't- smart quotes :P |
| 18:01.19 | Shirik|AFK | I think I hit the wrong button |
| 18:01.24 | haste | http://beverpung.net/images/temp/2008-04-10-200017_1680x1050_scrot.png << have a screenshot |
| 18:01.35 | Shirik|AFK | lua> string.byte([[]]), string.byte([[`]]) |
| 18:01.36 | lua_bot | Shirik|AFK: 145, 96 |
| 18:01.38 | Shirik|AFK | there we go |
| 18:01.48 | End | that's exactly what I see, haste |
| 18:01.50 | End | except |
| 18:01.54 | End | I see only one R |
| 18:01.57 | End | instead of double R |
| 18:02.11 | wereHamster | haste, shirik used U+2019, is that the standard apostroph? |
| 18:02.23 | haste | no idea |
| 18:02.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Uh, that's pretty high for "standard" |
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| 18:03.34 | wereHamster | haste, what you posted (`) is U+0060 |
| 18:04.37 | wereHamster | blame your fonts ;) |
| 18:04.47 | End | I don't think it's a font issue |
| 18:04.48 | ScytheBlade1 | I should really play WoW on windows... |
| 18:05.00 | MaienM | yeah, you really should |
| 18:05.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Something about a higher resolution, better detail, AA, and a better FPS than what I've got now.. |
| 18:05.18 | wereHamster | I have gentoo just like shirik, and I see the characters just fine |
| 18:05.26 | wereHamster | gentoo just like haste |
| 18:05.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh, same @ gentoo |
| 18:05.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Server is CentOS though |
| 18:05.52 | haste | this irssi runs locally |
| 18:05.59 | haste | not that it matters |
| 18:07.14 | wereHamster | haste, do you have gucharmap installed? |
| 18:07.26 | haste | nope |
| 18:09.19 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:09.37 | wereHamster | interesting: U+2019 RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK is the preferred character for a punctuation apostrophe |
| 18:10.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Haha, wow. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134634 |
| 18:10.14 | ScytheBlade1 | $20 for a gig of RAM. Kingston at that. |
| 18:10.55 | End | well |
| 18:11.07 | End | I have difficulties paste special characters paste screen |
| 18:11.11 | End | past screen* |
| 18:11.44 | End | I can paste the "smart quote" to terminal normally, but through a screen thru an ssh session, it breaks |
| 18:11.54 | Fisker- | anyways shirik am i right if it's due to not using a layout manager and setting my layouts manually that i do not get a correctly dimension on the canvas? |
| 18:12.10 | End_ | â |
| 18:12.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Open box mobo? |
| 18:12.24 | ScytheBlade1 | And eww @ radeon |
| 18:12.47 | enum | I have had no problems with radeons, besides it's not a gaming box. I run wow on my mac |
| 18:12.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 18:13.03 | End | oh wait, my characters aren't even getting past ssh |
| 18:13.07 | End | let alone screen |
| 18:13.47 | wereHamster | End, does ssh care about the locale used? it just passes bytes between the computers..? |
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| 18:13.56 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Malgayne] by ChanServ |
| 18:13.58 | ScytheBlade1 | It just passes bytes, I'd imagine. |
| 18:14.11 | End | I dunno |
| 18:16.03 | wereHamster | shirik's like displays correctly in both xterm and gnome-terminal, so it's related to gnome why it works for me... |
| 18:16.04 | End | well |
| 18:16.10 | End | I determined two things |
| 18:16.46 | End | my locale was set to POSIX, which may have something to do with it |
| 18:16.56 | End | telling irssi to do utf-8 isn't enough |
| 18:17.31 | End | also, until 10 seconds ago, it didn't understand "en_US.UTF-8" as a valid locale |
| 18:17.52 | *** join/#wowuidev End_ (n=end@tetris.cornhooves.org) |
| 18:18.38 | End_ | â |
| 18:18.45 | End | hey, that worked |
| 18:19.02 | wereHamster | I see â@@YY ... |
| 18:19.04 | End | although it looks like @Y on this end |
| 18:19.09 | End | lol |
| 18:19.37 | End | one client sees @Y, the other sees the "smart" ' |
| 18:20.07 | haste | I see the same as wereHamster |
| 18:20.12 | End | weird o_O |
| 18:20.17 | haste | with a white background! |
| 18:20.23 | End | yeah |
| 18:20.33 | End | I see @Y on this client with a white background |
| 18:20.40 | End | gonna try restarting this irssi |
| 18:20.55 | haste | think he selected the wrong irssi |
| 18:21.03 | End_ | no |
| 18:21.04 | *** join/#wowuidev End (n=end@tetris.cornhooves.org) |
| 18:21.05 | End_ | this one works |
| 18:21.11 | haste | oh, you don't run irssi proxy |
| 18:21.21 | End | It's running under screen |
| 18:21.27 | End | that's all I do |
| 18:21.34 | haste | I run irssi under screen also |
| 18:21.38 | haste | on two boxes D: |
| 18:21.40 | zenzelezz | so my realm's at 97% progress towards the vendor, and people are already gathering up in large masses at the vendor spot |
| 18:21.47 | ralfWORK | rofl |
| 18:21.51 | End_ | â |
| 18:21.55 | End | oh wow |
| 18:22.02 | End | this irssi doesn't see -anything- now :o |
| 18:22.12 | wereHamster | what exactly are you writing? which characters? |
| 18:22.14 | End | do you still see @Y or whatever? |
| 18:22.24 | End | the same one as Shirik...supposedly |
| 18:22.30 | wereHamster | I do, @@YY with a white background |
| 18:22.35 | kamdis | Uther hit 1005 last night. From 98-100 there were at least 400 jackasses standing on the vendor just waiting. |
| 18:22.36 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:22.41 | kamdis | *100% |
| 18:22.51 | zenzelezz | lowercase A with a hat, two other characters that my client understands but my font can't display |
| 18:22.58 | kamdis | I got about 3 FPS trying to turn that quest in |
| 18:23.25 | haste | zenzelezz: it's a å :3 |
| 18:23.51 | End | well |
| 18:24.03 | zenzelezz | haste: not on my monitor |
| 18:24.29 | End | unicode is weird |
| 18:24.30 | ralfWORK | sigh. 59% for us |
| 18:24.33 | ScytheBlade1 | I love Doomhammer. We're listed as 3rd US in terms of taking the island back, and our badge vendor is at an awesome 91%. |
| 18:24.55 | wereHamster | End, unicode is well-defined, the applicationst trying to use it are weird |
| 18:25.02 | End | irssi is weird then |
| 18:25.08 | wereHamster | it is :) |
| 18:25.11 | End | :P |
| 18:25.31 | ralfWORK | hmm. so it looks like maybe uhm |
| 18:25.46 | ralfWORK | 2.5 days from now |
| 18:25.59 | End | a day for us |
| 18:26.00 | ralfWORK | bleh. which means sunday |
| 18:26.05 | ralfWORK | (basically) |
| 18:27.11 | ralfWORK | yea, sunday morning |
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| 18:28.45 | end__ | so |
| 18:28.57 | end__ | What does this display for people: â |
| 18:29.15 | Cairenn | reversed ` |
| 18:29.20 | end__ | yay! |
| 18:29.32 | end__ | unless Cairenn is broken too |
| 18:29.55 | Cairenn | Shirik|AFK's ' and " don't show correctly for me, they show as ? |
| 18:30.00 | End | weird |
| 18:30.06 | End | so I'm still displaying something different |
| 18:30.11 | kamdis | it displays a vertical apostrophe for me, end |
| 18:30.12 | pastamancer | I get an a-curcumflex then a reverse-video @Y |
| 18:30.35 | End | well |
| 18:30.40 | End | I'm done worrying about it |
| 18:30.50 | End | I got utf-8 support...sort of maybe not really |
| 18:31.20 | End | I think Cairenn's font doesn't understand Shirik|AFK's characters, but I was trying to use the same ones as him...and she -can- see mine |
| 18:31.48 | kamdis | ~fail Shirik|AFK |
| 18:31.49 | purl | Shirik|AFK: FAIL! |
| 18:31.53 | kamdis | imo |
| 18:35.47 | Lunessa | ... station. |
| 18:36.35 | MentalPower | ¡²³¤â¬Â¼Â½Â¾ââ¥à |
| 18:37.57 | Lunessa | ZOMG - extended character MADNESS |
| 18:38.04 | Lunessa | STOP THE INSDANITY |
| 18:39.26 | zenzelezz | groà µnderstatâ¬ment |
| 18:39.33 | cog|work | LERN2UTF8 |
| 18:40.20 | Kirov | ¿?x?? u?op?pisdn si?? p??? no? u?? |
| 18:41.37 | Kirov | Anyone? |
| 18:42.12 | cog|work | yarly |
| 18:42.34 | Cairenn | ??x?? u?op?pisdn si?? p??? no? u?? |
| 18:42.38 | Cairenn | is what I just saw :p |
| 18:42.46 | Kirov | That's a no for Cairenn |
| 18:42.49 | cog|work | Cairenn: the only difference is that the first ? was upside down |
| 18:42.58 | cog|work | imo |
| 18:43.00 | cog|work | :P |
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| 18:43.16 | Kirov | This means I can make fun of Cairenn with out her even knowing! Yay! Not that I ever would because she's awesome. |
| 18:43.20 | Kirov | ???os??? s,??s ?sn???q plno? ???? i ???? ?ou ¡??? ¡?ui?ou? u??? ??? ?no ??i? uu??i?? ?o un? ???? u?? i su??? si?? |
| 18:43.23 | Cairenn | lol |
| 18:43.37 | Kirov | Those both same the same thing |
| 18:43.38 | Kirov | http://www.revfad.com/flip.html |
| 18:43.41 | haste | I see question marks |
| 18:44.39 | Kirov | if you change your irc client to use something like Arial Unicode you can read it |
| 18:44.48 | cog|work | I just did that... |
| 18:44.53 | cog|work | try it again... |
| 18:45.13 | cog|work | É¥Élq |
| 18:45.18 | Kirov | A quick test for cogwheel. |
| 18:45.23 | Kirov | ?l?????o? ?o? ?s?? ??inb ? |
| 18:45.40 | cog|work | Kirov: nope... even with unicode font it's coming through as ?s |
| 18:45.51 | haste | (he doesn't send it as unicode) |
| 18:45.52 | cog|work | when i pasted mine in it looked alright to me though |
| 18:45.59 | End | brb |
| 18:46.03 | cog|work | ah... that would explain it |
| 18:46.14 | Kirov | cog - yours came through as junk too |
| 18:46.20 | nevcairiel | kirov sends it as ?, cog actually send unicode for me |
| 18:46.30 | nevcairiel | i could read a reverse help or something |
| 18:46.40 | cog|work | it was upside down "blah" |
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| 18:46.49 | nevcairiel | oh heh |
| 18:46.54 | nevcairiel | i fail at reading :P |
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| 18:47.05 | nevcairiel | ah its not only upside down |
| 18:47.07 | Kirov | It's probable that trillian just sucks. :) |
| 18:47.08 | nevcairiel | its inverse too |
| 18:47.15 | cog|work | Kirov: probably |
| 18:47.16 | NightHawkAtWork | a lot of clients suck at unicode. |
| 18:47.24 | cog|work | chatzilla 4tw |
| 18:47.33 | NightHawkAtWork | im pretty sure this build of xchat i'm using blows at it. |
| 18:47.34 | nevcairiel | even mIRC handles unicode :P |
| 18:47.42 | ralfWORK | people use mIRC? |
| 18:47.42 | NightHawkAtWork | although, x-chat aqua handles it masterfully |
| 18:47.56 | kd3 | that's because mIRC also has a kitchen sink as part of its default featureset |
| 18:48.14 | NightHawkAtWork | kd3: only because it comes with the kitchen, bathroom, and the rest of a 3 story mansion house as well. :P |
| 18:48.17 | nevcairiel | i'm too lazy to adapt to a new client though |
| 18:48.21 | Kirov | on a side note, I'm painfully tempted to make a real clippy addon for next year's april fools |
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| 18:50.51 | ralfWORK | "It looks like you're trying to kill a raid boss. Would you like to 1) Pew pew or 2) QQ |
| 18:50.54 | ralfWORK | " |
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| 18:51.21 | cog|work | Kirov: be sure it taints the living hell out of the default UI |
| 18:51.25 | zenzelezz | "It looks like you got pwned. Would you like me to assist you in writing a QQ post for the forums?" |
| 18:51.31 | ralfWORK | rofl |
| 18:53.06 | cog|work | trouble with something like that isn't the mod itself... it's coming up with all the content |
| 18:53.25 | cog|work | you'd have to do it mostly alone or it would sort of defeat the purpose :P |
| 18:54.55 | Lunessa | Colloquy for Mac OSX FTW. n00bz. |
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| 18:56.32 | Saint-N | heh got an email withthe subject "bacon friday" |
| 18:56.42 | Saint-N | contents of the email "word" |
| 18:56.47 | Saint-N | im gonna get so fat working here |
| 18:57.59 | ralfWORK | Saint-N: don't believe it. it's a trick. |
| 18:58.00 | NightHawkAtWork | Lunessa: i dont like colloquy |
| 18:58.46 | Lunessa | since all I use IRC for is this channel, it works very well for me. the "n00bz" comment was tongue-in-cheek. |
| 18:59.09 | Kirov | You just missed! Did you mean to crit? |
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| 18:59.18 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik|Ecole] by ChanServ |
| 18:59.23 | NightHawkAtWork | Lunessa: yeah, i figured that. :P I'm just saying.. I've tried it, its neat, but I dunno, I just dont care for it. *shrug* :| |
| 18:59.25 | ralfWORK | Kirov: lol |
| 18:59.34 | Saint-N | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8ErbVOfvqw |
| 18:59.40 | Saint-N | a mets game rick rolled ;P |
| 19:02.00 | Kirov | Actually, I think I could do something like that, then "Did you want to increase your hit rating?" then have a link to a completely random item that may or may not have anything to do with crit rating. |
| 19:04.19 | Lunessa | A most noble profession: http://youtube.com/watch?v=UEVa2swtC10 |
| 19:04.43 | NightHawkAtWork | heh, every time someoen changes gear, figure out what the new item does and say "It looks like you're trying to <...>" :P |
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| 19:18.15 | ralfWORK | NightHawkTheSane: oh man that's good |
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| 19:25.38 | Lunessa | ~lart Tem |
| 19:25.38 | purl | steals Tem's mojo |
| 19:26.52 | Saint-N | would be even better if randomly it asked if you were trying to kill a bear ot a troll. |
| 19:27.11 | Saint-N | and then suggested you should take a nap instead |
| 19:28.45 | zenzelezz | It looks like you equipped a new sword. This item requires activation. Do you want to register online now? |
| 19:29.11 | Saint-N | haha |
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| 19:36.32 | ralfWORK | Equiping this item will make it soulbound. Are you sure you want to do that? Are you really sure? really really sure? |
| 19:36.42 | nevcairiel | with 5 popups? |
| 19:36.45 | ralfWORK | yep |
| 19:36.52 | ralfWORK | "I don't think you want that to be souldbound" |
| 19:36.53 | Saint-N | heh make it so you cant select yest on BOP |
| 19:36.57 | ralfWORK | *destroys item* |
| 19:37.02 | ralfWORK | ROFFL |
| 19:37.05 | Saint-N | with the warning "You told me you were afraid of commitment |
| 19:39.49 | ralfWORK | I don't know why |
| 19:40.05 | ralfWORK | but I'm remembering when I let some random nub borrow my skinning knife |
| 19:40.10 | ralfWORK | and he never gave it back :( |
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| 19:40.27 | Fisker- | lolwut @ incubator |
| 19:40.28 | ralfWORK | this is the real reason stuff gets soulbound |
| 19:40.41 | Fisker- | i got timers that says "6 days and 10 hours" |
| 19:40.50 | ralfWORK | Fisker-: huh? what? |
| 19:41.38 | ralfWORK | hmm. someone should have made an in-game addon for tracking portal openings etc |
| 19:41.49 | ralfWORK | just using a sync channel |
| 19:44.42 | zenzelezz | portal opening? For the last three bosses? |
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| 19:44.51 | ralfWORK | well I mean |
| 19:45.11 | ralfWORK | doing what http://us.gorgonnash.info/ is doing, but in game |
| 19:46.00 | ralfWORK | Fisker-: silly question, what's incubator? |
| 19:46.21 | Lunessa | It's an AddOn of rtracking respawn in raid instances. |
| 19:46.31 | ralfWORK | oh nice I need that |
| 19:46.33 | zenzelezz | I find it funny how 14/15 top realms on http://www.gorgonnash.info/index.html are German |
| 19:46.44 | ralfWORK | zenzelezz: the germans are nutty |
| 19:50.24 | Cide | grr, I hate dealing with unicode |
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| 19:54.01 | Shirik|AFK | UNICODE!!! |
| 19:54.13 | Shirik|AFK | quotes are ftw yayyyy |
| 19:54.42 | Fisker- | you saved me Shirik|AFK ! |
| 19:54.46 | Shirik|AFK | I did? |
| 19:54.49 | Fisker- | yes! |
| 19:54.53 | Shirik | hows that? |
| 19:55.01 | Fisker- | well you helped me with that java thing :P |
| 19:55.12 | Shirik | :) |
| 19:55.52 | Shirik | just keep in mind that when youre using a canvas, Java has no clue what size its supposed to be, so unless youre using some special layout manager its going to do whatever the hell it feels like (which is usually a 1px by 1px canvas) |
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| 19:56.43 | Fisker- | That's easy to remember now that you've spent a whole day looking at the code :P |
| 19:56.48 | Shirik | hehe |
| 19:56.50 | Cide | ok so, I'm reading a file, and when doing it manually it works fine |
| 19:57.07 | Cide | but when I do it in the program, it doesn't |
| 19:57.11 | Cide | fuck this |
| 19:58.10 | Shirik | kinda like that one bug I have where if I attach a debugger, it works fine |
| 19:58.13 | Shirik | if I dont, it crashes |
| 19:58.57 | zenzelezz | that only means your code is buggy and the debugger is saving your ass |
| 19:59.08 | Fisker- | the debugger function in eclipse seems pretty bad |
| 19:59.15 | Fisker- | atleast compared to visual studio's one |
| 19:59.24 | zenzelezz | VC++'s debugger is made of win |
| 19:59.35 | zenzelezz | as it should, considering how long they've been at it |
| 19:59.44 | Fisker- | or perhaps it's more because i've only used eclipse for probably a week |
| 19:59.52 | Fisker- | or both :P |
| 19:59.55 | Shirik | VC++s debugger really is amazing |
| 20:00.08 | Shirik | Along with all the heap/stack check routines |
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| 20:07.27 | Shirik | you know, its nice being in a guild that knows what theyre doing |
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| 20:07.38 | Shirik | I just realized the item they just gave me yesterday was worth about 1500g >.> |
| 20:07.39 | NightHawkAtWork | some days, I wish I knew what that was like. |
| 20:07.51 | NightHawkAtWork | what item |
| 20:07.52 | NightHawkAtWork | ? |
| 20:08.03 | Shirik | nights end (at least, this is according to our AH) |
| 20:08.08 | NightHawkAtWork | heh |
| 20:08.14 | Shirik | our prices are heavily inflated though because nobody has the mats |
| 20:08.18 | NightHawkAtWork | yeah |
| 20:08.29 | NightHawkAtWork | 1500 is massively overpriced, but when you factor in that no one ever sells their hearts.. |
| 20:08.38 | zenzelezz | who sells Night's Ends anyway? |
| 20:08.45 | NightHawkAtWork | ^^ that too |
| 20:08.55 | NightHawkAtWork | the only people who generally need them are those who can make them anyway ;) |
| 20:09.04 | Shirik | I couldnt make it :( |
| 20:09.15 | NightHawkAtWork | well, i mean on the scale of a guild. |
| 20:09.18 | Shirik | heh |
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| 20:09.22 | zenzelezz | if you're doing a boss that needs it, your guild should be providing the hearts |
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| 20:09.50 | NightHawkAtWork | it only requires what, honored ashtongue? which is pretty trivial to get by the time you reach any boss that really needs it |
| 20:09.50 | Shirik | so I should get +15 SR on that yeah? |
| 20:09.53 | NightHawkAtWork | yes |
| 20:10.18 | zenzelezz | you get honored with Ashtongue almost before taking Naj'entus |
| 20:10.29 | NightHawkAtWork | like i said, pretty trivial. :P |
| 20:11.03 | NightHawkAtWork | I think, at this point, our guild has at least provided all the healers with nights end and the sr bracers. |
| 20:11.14 | NightHawkAtWork | i think actually, everyone has a nights end now. |
| 20:11.17 | Shirik | yeah well I kinda wasnt even thinking about it |
| 20:11.32 | Shirik | then I just hear the raid leader yell at me Close that trade with Len already |
| 20:11.39 | Shirik | then he opens a trade and gives it to me >< |
| 20:11.45 | NightHawkAtWork | hehe |
| 20:12.17 | ralfWORK | what's this? Shadow resist gear? |
| 20:12.24 | NightHawkAtWork | yes |
| 20:12.40 | ralfWORK | ahh. perhaps one day I'll get there :( |
| 20:13.39 | Shirik | heh |
| 20:13.45 | Shirik | one of the other priests is trying to convince me to get +10 SR |
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| 20:42.39 | Shirik | btw Fisker-, Im sorry I dont think I explained it well because I had to run |
| 20:42.59 | Shirik | the preferred size is the size that Java will try to match. If it cant for whatever reason, it will expand and compress it until it reaches the maximium or minimum size, respectively |
| 20:43.15 | Shirik | Once it goes beyond that limit, it will remain at the maximum or minimum size and clip |
| 20:46.55 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 20:47.16 | zenzelezz | vendor just spawned ~30 minutes ago; GM at the location ordering people to quit grouping up |
| 20:47.37 | Shirik | rofl |
| 20:48.11 | Kirov | You'd think blizzard would of done something smart ... like putting the guy on a platform people can't jump on like most AHs |
| 20:48.46 | ralfWORK | hahahahah |
| 20:49.03 | ralfWORK | as if people would listen to a GM |
| 20:49.11 | ralfWORK | what the GM should do is /kill them all |
| 20:49.24 | wereHamster | or spawn a boss mob |
| 20:49.30 | wereHamster | raid boss |
| 20:49.37 | ralfWORK | bring kazzak out there |
| 20:49.47 | Kirov | Who was it that posted that screenshot yesterday? |
| 20:49.48 | Esamynn | lol |
| 20:50.41 | Kirov | a GM plopped down a 12k per tick aoe on top of the npc to keep people from crowding on top of it. |
| 20:50.55 | Shirik | rofl |
| 20:51.10 | ralfWORK | Kirov: I think that would work too |
| 20:51.33 | Kirov | It was small enough you could still talk to the NPC, but meant no one could block it |
| 20:51.37 | ralfWORK | andreally, I wish there was a way you couldn't stand *on top* of the damn NPCs |
| 20:51.40 | sag_ich_nicht | http://pastebin.com/m7cce3491 <--this is my code(ignore that pastebin broke the CSS on lines 44/45, it's 1 line). this is the bug: http://img527.imageshack.us/my.php?image=drecksie2nr8.jpg (div flowing out of the right side, width of the div matches my screen resolution apparently so i think IE is failing at using the margin properly), help me please D: |
| 20:51.52 | Esamynn | Kirov: that's sweet! =D |
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| 20:52.06 | Shirik | damn shamans! |
| 20:52.07 | ralfWORK | never seen it be as big a problem as it is in the Isle now |
| 20:52.13 | Shirik | Chain heal is the only thing keeping me from first place! |
| 20:52.15 | ralfWORK | just stupid people standing on quest givvers |
| 20:52.24 | sag_ich_nicht | Shirik |
| 20:52.26 | sag_ich_nicht | fix my html |
| 20:52.45 | Kirov | Well, they've never come out with a single, very small island that the entire 70 population of the server wants to go to at once. |
| 20:53.05 | Lunessa | On Kirin Tor, we have people flagging up and standing on quest givers. |
| 20:53.06 | ralfWORK | come on, it's not brain surgery |
| 20:53.21 | ralfWORK | Lunessa: I've heard of that. the flagging I don't mind |
| 20:53.27 | ralfWORK | it's the standing on top of that creates a problem |
| 20:53.29 | Esamynn | you know, for stantionary NPCs, what they really need to implement is a form of collision that doesn't prevent you from running/walking through them, but prevents you from standing there, so like something that forcably moves you if you're within the npc for more than a couple seconds |
| 20:53.45 | ralfWORK | just a little 3 yard dia invisible bubble around all NPCs is fine |
| 20:53.56 | ralfWORK | Esamynn: yep. that'll work. |
| 20:53.59 | Esamynn | 3 yards is too big |
| 20:54.09 | Kirov | Put them on a damn barrel, don't let anyone on the barrel |
| 20:54.09 | Esamynn | 1/2 yard to maybe as much as a yard would work for my idea |
| 20:54.11 | Kirov | fucking done |
| 20:54.26 | ralfWORK | anything |
| 20:54.29 | ralfWORK | it doesn't matter |
| 20:55.12 | Kirov | Having giant, mounted taurens or people with tier 14 gear glowing all over makes it fucking impossible to click on npcs |
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| 20:55.30 | ralfWORK | Kirov: amen |
| 20:56.00 | Saint-N | wheeeeeeeeeeee home time! |
| 20:56.03 | Esamynn | yah, but making it so you can't ever intersect with them is a little....crud |
| 20:56.09 | Esamynn | crude* |
| 20:56.09 | ralfWORK | why? |
| 20:56.13 | ralfWORK | there is no interaction |
| 20:56.18 | ralfWORK | it's standing on them |
| 20:56.34 | ralfWORK | or what you could do |
| 20:56.45 | Esamynn | espeically for npcs that aren't right next to a wall |
| 20:57.02 | ralfWORK | is make it so if you collide with the person, it gives you a debuff that won't let you talk to them for another 30s ;) |
| 20:57.05 | Kirov | Go in to any major auction house in WoW. All the auctioneers are standing on top of something, against a wall, and blocks players from getting on the same platform. |
| 20:57.22 | Esamynn | the feeling is different there though Kirov |
| 20:57.27 | Kirov | You can walk in to an AH, even a packed one, and always click on someone. |
| 20:57.30 | Esamynn | at least imo |
| 20:57.48 | Esamynn | at lot of these npcs are standing right in the middle of an area |
| 20:57.48 | Kirov | Esamynn - Oh, I totally agree. Not "every" quest giver needs to be like that. |
| 20:58.01 | Esamynn | what I'm suggesting is a far more general solution |
| 20:58.24 | Kirov | At the same time, they do that even on Quel'Danas |
| 20:58.38 | Esamynn | yah |
| 20:58.52 | Esamynn | and I don't much like the setup in the building for the first phase npcs |
| 20:58.52 | Kirov | There are a couple of quest NPCs that are standing on unreachable platforms |
| 20:58.54 | Esamynn | it's annoying |
| 20:59.19 | Kirov | It does feel funny, but for certain NPCs it seems like something that'd make sense |
| 20:59.36 | Esamynn | what I'm suggesting would avoid making it feel funny ;) |
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| 21:00.17 | Esamynn | have the npc "kick" players who stand on them, knocking them back to about twice the interact distance, and with a debuff |
| 21:00.18 | Kirov | Esamynn - maybe, but I've noticed blizzard doesn't like "pushing" players. |
| 21:00.29 | Esamynn | true |
| 21:00.37 | ralfWORK | wonder why not |
| 21:00.59 | ralfWORK | a simple "excuse me sir! I beg your pardon!" *kick* *debuff* works fine |
| 21:01.05 | Esamynn | having the npcs kick players, THAT would be great, and would totally fit |
| 21:01.11 | Esamynn | exactly ralfWORK |
| 21:01.15 | sag_ich_nicht | in anyone interested, the problem was that i was dumb and didn't use top/left :P |
| 21:01.20 | Kirov | Especially if it dismounts players. heh |
| 21:01.26 | Esamynn | YES! |
| 21:01.30 | Kirov | and gives them a slow |
| 21:01.37 | ralfWORK | lol |
| 21:01.47 | Esamynn | maybe, for repeat offenders ;) |
| 21:01.59 | Esamynn | so if they already have the debuff and get kicked again... |
| 21:01.59 | ralfWORK | any of these things would work |
| 21:02.07 | ralfWORK | make it a stacking debuff |
| 21:02.11 | Esamynn | yah |
| 21:02.25 | ralfWORK | ohhhh a net |
| 21:02.27 | Esamynn | question is |
| 21:02.30 | zenzelezz | hehe, GM shout: "Anyone who has been moved away from the Smith, do not go back or you will have action taken on your account." |
| 21:02.39 | ralfWORK | wow! |
| 21:02.42 | Esamynn | would checking that sort of thing all the time put too much strain on the servers |
| 21:03.00 | ralfWORK | please |
| 21:03.01 | ralfWORK | I doubt it |
| 21:03.05 | Esamynn | because it's something the servers would have to do |
| 21:03.11 | Kirov | Yes it would |
| 21:03.20 | Esamynn | while regular collision solutions are done by the client |
| 21:03.25 | Kirov | That is not something clients would be doing |
| 21:03.28 | Polarina | zenzelezz: Screenshot or it didn't happen! |
| 21:03.29 | Kirov | collision is, sure |
| 21:03.41 | Kirov | but interactions with mobs is not |
| 21:03.59 | Kirov | Well, that's a lie |
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| 21:04.12 | Esamynn | yah, but this is an additional check that the server has to apply quite regularly |
| 21:04.17 | Kirov | I've noticed since 2.0 that the client seems to be far more autonomous then it used to be. |
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| 21:04.25 | Esamynn | how so? |
| 21:04.37 | Kirov | If you're fighting a mob and you get disconnected from the server, the mob will continue to hit you causing combat log events, etc. |
| 21:04.43 | zenzelezz | Polarina: http://www.hovlandsdal.com:7080/~zenzelezz/moveplix.jpg |
| 21:05.43 | Polarina | zenzelezz: Invisible GM? |
| 21:05.44 | Kirov | Certainly mob facing is handled by the client |
| 21:06.04 | Esamynn | on your screen it would be |
| 21:06.12 | zenzelezz | Polarina: I didn't care to look for him, you only asked for an SS of the shout |
| 21:06.20 | Esamynn | server would have to have final say though |
| 21:06.21 | Polarina | zenzelezz: It would be funny if it happened on a RP realm. REPORT THE GM!!! |
| 21:06.35 | Polarina | zenzelezz: Just curious. :) |
| 21:07.43 | Polarina | zenzelezz: If it were on a RP realm, I would definitely report the GM for the lulz. |
| 21:08.23 | Esamynn | Kirov: actually, I take it back, it is something that could be checked client side, then the client "requests" that the player get booted, and the server validates said request |
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| 21:09.28 | zenzelezz | now there are two GMs here moving people |
| 21:09.42 | Esamynn | lol |
| 21:09.43 | Polarina | zenzelezz: Screenshot! :P |
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| 21:09.53 | Esamynn | your SS link isn't working :( |
| 21:09.58 | Esamynn | timesout for me |
| 21:10.13 | zenzelezz | hm |
| 21:10.22 | zenzelezz | maybe my dad messed up the firewall again |
| 21:10.28 | Kirov | worked for me btw |
| 21:10.29 | Esamynn | lol |
| 21:10.35 | Esamynn | :( |
| 21:10.45 | Antiarc | zenzelezz: A GM showed up on my server yesterday |
| 21:10.51 | Antiarc | And cast L4 Arcane Charge on the anvil vendor |
| 21:10.55 | zenzelezz | anyhow, can't seem to /target the GMs; might be range but I won't be running near the smith to find them :-p |
| 21:10.58 | Antiarc | That's the spotlight nuke that the bots in BT do |
| 21:11.04 | Antiarc | Hits you for like 12k if you stand in it :P |
| 21:11.17 | Antiarc | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/badgevendor.jpg |
| 21:11.34 | Polarina | zenzelezz: Tell the GM to just scale the Smith to twice its size. |
| 21:11.38 | Kirov | that's the one I was talking about |
| 21:11.44 | Esamynn | zenzelezz: they wouldn't do anything to you if you're well off to the side :P |
| 21:13.33 | Polarina | I'm going to write a abstraction layer over the WoW API so addons don't have to be rewritten with each major patch. :) |
| 21:14.10 | Esamynn | O_o |
| 21:14.45 | zenzelezz | heh, now he's asking kindly that people move.. I suspect we may get the nuke here too soon if they don't listen |
| 21:15.15 | Drundia | i think my GetTargetNameplate() function will be handy for badge vendor |
| 21:15.22 | Drundia | i'll be able to resize it and safely click it |
| 21:16.04 | Polarina | zenzelezz: Help the GMs to move the players and if the GM is nice, you might get an invitation to GM Island. :) |
| 21:16.17 | Esamynn | lol |
| 21:17.39 | Polarina | zenzelezz: Because we need the GUIDs of the game-masters. :'( |
| 21:18.41 | Drundia | they just should add collision to stationay npcs really |
| 21:18.58 | Tem|AFK | what the fuck |
| 21:19.04 | Drundia | do you see me again? |
| 21:19.05 | Tem|AFK | how do you keep getting around my ignore? |
| 21:19.13 | Tem|AFK | also, they tried collision |
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| 21:19.19 | Tem|AFK | on the TTR |
| 21:19.20 | Tem|AFK | it didn't work |
| 21:19.30 | globalduck1313 | is tuller on atm? |
| 21:19.36 | Tuller | no |
| 21:19.51 | Tuller | :P |
| 21:19.53 | Drundia | Tem, you make me sad because I put you to bad mood :( |
| 21:20.02 | globalduck1313 | lol...hey just updated to bongos 3 and it seems to have broken my GFW feedomatic |
| 21:20.27 | kergoth | feedomatic works fine for me with bongos |
| 21:20.46 | globalduck1313 | ill relog again and see then |
| 21:20.49 | Polarina | Tuller: Are you Zootfizzle? |
| 21:21.16 | Tem|AFK | Polarina, lol? |
| 21:21.16 | Tem|AFK | lol. |
| 21:22.09 | Tuller | ? |
| 21:22.12 | lagger | is there another mod like itemrack |
| 21:22.19 | globalduck1313 | LOL nvm works now.....hmmmm |
| 21:22.43 | kergoth | lagger: outfitter or closetgnome |
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| 21:29.37 | zenzelezz | "We have now taken action on 50 accounts. Please move away if you do not want to be added to this list, please move away and come back later" \o/ |
| 21:30.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | what's happening? |
| 21:30.52 | Esamynn | 2.4 badge loot vendor |
| 21:30.56 | zenzelezz | GMs temp-banning people who refuse to move from the smith |
| 21:31.04 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet! |
| 21:31.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | what's wrong with it? |
| 21:31.18 | Esamynn | Mr_Rabies2: think crowd problem |
| 21:31.24 | zenzelezz | Mr_Rabies2: with 50+ people constantly standing on her, no-one can interact |
| 21:31.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | ohh |
| 21:31.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | so no one can interact anyway? |
| 21:31.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | since theyre banning people that get near |
| 21:31.59 | Polarina | zenzelezz: What realm? I want to make a Blood Elf Priest and see for myself. |
| 21:32.13 | zenzelezz | Silvermoon |
| 21:32.14 | Esamynn | lol |
| 21:32.14 | Drundia | just hack some nameplates and ir works |
| 21:32.21 | Weye1 | silvermoon eu ftw ;) |
| 21:32.23 | Drundia | but seriously wtb /interact command |
| 21:32.32 | Lopeppeppy | They're likely whispering people to move away first, I doubt that they are just banning for fun and kicks. |
| 21:32.33 | Esamynn | Drundia: never happen |
| 21:32.36 | Polarina | zenzelezz: Comming! Name is Polarina. |
| 21:32.43 | Drundia | well they can teleport people |
| 21:32.56 | zenzelezz | they've been doing that for a long time, people just run back |
| 21:32.59 | zenzelezz | and get banned >:) |
| 21:33.00 | Drundia | why why why they can't give us /interact |
| 21:33.19 | Esamynn | would make righting bots easier |
| 21:33.25 | Esamynn | writing* |
| 21:33.30 | Drundia | pfff |
| 21:33.37 | Drundia | why would you want to interact with something? |
| 21:33.41 | Drundia | you already can attack |
| 21:33.45 | Polarina | Logged in, whisper me please. :) |
| 21:34.02 | Kyahx | people who want to bot will find ways to bot, with or without an /interact command |
| 21:34.09 | zenzelezz | Polarina: can't, I'm alliance |
| 21:34.15 | Esamynn | yes, but why make it easier for them? |
| 21:34.22 | Polarina | zenzelezz: Oh... |
| 21:34.27 | Esamynn | lol |
| 21:34.29 | Drundia | it could even be on hotkey right there with movement functions that can only be triggered by official bindings |
| 21:34.34 | zenzelezz | Polarina: like 90% of the server :-p |
| 21:34.41 | Esamynn | haha |
| 21:34.47 | Drundia | you know |
| 21:35.01 | Drundia | looting kael weapons isn't that easy either when everyone is standing on them |
| 21:35.02 | Esamynn | Drundia: I don't mean a bot written in Lua |
| 21:35.28 | zenzelezz | Drundia: indeed |
| 21:35.30 | Drundia | people will write a real bot (of course not in Lua) no matter what |
| 21:35.47 | Kyahx | It wouldn't make it any easier having an interact slash command |
| 21:35.56 | Esamynn | it would make that task easier |
| 21:35.59 | Drundia | well really |
| 21:36.03 | Kyahx | not really |
| 21:36.06 | Drundia | it will only help looting |
| 21:36.38 | Drundia | well you can :SetAllPoints() nameplate and if c code won't try to reposition it it will be over entire world frame |
| 21:36.44 | Esamynn | we won't ever see a /loot command either for the same reason |
| 21:36.59 | MaienM | you can create a /loot yourself |
| 21:37.03 | Kyahx | bots will eiather A) inject code into the game, meaning it dosent matter what the game can already do.... or B) simulate mouse/keyboard commands, of which its just as easy to right click a certain point on the screen |
| 21:37.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | bot looting is pretty simple D: |
| 21:37.05 | MaienM | if I;m not mistaken |
| 21:37.11 | Esamynn | MaienM: no you can't |
| 21:37.22 | Esamynn | you MUST right-click the body in the world |
| 21:37.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | which is easy as hell to bot |
| 21:37.42 | MaienM | hmm.... never realy looked into looting addon stuff |
| 21:37.44 | Drundia | yes, interaction is easier - you can right-click nameplate |
| 21:37.56 | Polarina | zenzelezz: I can't swim there. They made an invisible wall. :( |
| 21:38.08 | Esamynn | Polarina: was gonna say, I thought there was a wall |
| 21:39.18 | Drundia | and honestly refusing those commands "to prevent bots" first of all sucks for a customer treatment and second it doesn't really prevent any bots. |
| 21:39.53 | Drundia | as i said, even modified-right-click which won't attack hostile targets would be handy |
| 21:40.20 | Esamynn | that's a suggestion that would be useful |
| 21:41.27 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Kaelten] by ChanServ |
| 21:44.35 | Drundia | or they should just bring back ability to show only npc nameplates |
| 21:49.36 | Polarina | Darg! People aren't standing on the smith on my realm.. |
| 21:53.43 | Drundia | does she sell anything yet? |
| 21:53.56 | Polarina | No anvil. 0% complete. |
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| 22:33.35 | Dissonance | Does anyone else think the LUA documentation is badly organized? |
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| 22:34.42 | Josh_Borke | what lua documentation? |
| 22:34.52 | Dissonance | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/ |
| 22:35.46 | Dissonance | It's certainly not as good in it's execution as the PHP documentation is. |
| 22:35.56 | amro | wait, what? |
| 22:36.02 | Josh_Borke | yes, it's not well documented, but then again, i don't think the language is very difficult |
| 22:36.31 | Dissonance | Ah, I find myself pulling my hair out over basic things. Such as, how do I check if a variable holds an integer or a string? |
| 22:36.35 | haste | that's about the only thing that good about PHP |
| 22:36.36 | amro | I love the lua manual, it's pretty small |
| 22:36.36 | haste | the docs |
| 22:36.43 | Josh_Borke | Dissonance: lua isn't typed |
| 22:36.50 | Josh_Borke | sorry, that's wrong |
| 22:36.55 | Josh_Borke | lua isn't strictly typed |
| 22:37.06 | Dissonance | Well, neither is PHP. |
| 22:37.14 | Dissonance | But it is, really. |
| 22:37.22 | amro | Dissonance: type(myvar) |
| 22:37.33 | Dissonance | PHP doesn't expose it directly. But you can cast things. |
| 22:37.36 | amro | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-type |
| 22:37.52 | amro | PHP is gigantic, that's what it is =) |
| 22:38.03 | Dissonance | I love how it returns "number", how ambiguous. |
| 22:38.11 | Josh_Borke | what do you mean? |
| 22:38.17 | Josh_Borke | lua> type(5.5) |
| 22:38.17 | lua_bot | Josh_Borke: number |
| 22:38.19 | pastamancer | number isn't ambiguous |
| 22:38.19 | Josh_Borke | lua> type("5.5") |
| 22:38.20 | lua_bot | Josh_Borke: string |
| 22:38.21 | Dissonance | Rather than, double, integer, etc. |
| 22:38.30 | amro | number is the number datatype in lua |
| 22:38.32 | Josh_Borke | there are no doubles or integers |
| 22:38.36 | pastamancer | all numbers in lua are floats |
| 22:38.37 | Dissonance | Exactly. |
| 22:38.37 | Josh_Borke | you get what you get :-D |
| 22:39.07 | Dissonance | Ok, so say I was accepting a parameter through a slash command. |
| 22:39.13 | Josh_Borke | i personally love lua |
| 22:39.17 | Dissonance | Sometimes it's a number, other times it's a string. |
| 22:39.26 | Dissonance | What's the best way to differentiate. |
| 22:40.46 | Josh_Borke | beats me, nothing i do needs to differentiate between types |
| 22:40.51 | pastamancer | lua> if (tonumber("1")) then print("hey it's a number") else print("not a number") end |
| 22:40.52 | lua_bot | pastamancer: hey it's a number |
| 22:41.04 | pastamancer | lua> if (tonumber("foo")) then print("hey it's a number") else print("not a number") end |
| 22:41.05 | lua_bot | pastamancer: not a number |
| 22:41.08 | Josh_Borke |  lua> if (tonumber("1.fifty")) then print("hey it's a number") else print("not a number") end |
| 22:41.17 | Josh_Borke | lua> if (tonumber("1.fifty")) then print("hey it's a number") else print("not a number") end |
| 22:41.17 | lua_bot | Josh_Borke: not a number |
| 22:41.25 | Dissonance | Hrm, looks good to me. |
| 22:41.32 | Cide | you're not showing the use properly |
| 22:41.56 | Cide | >>> tonumber(5.5), tonumber(nil), tonumber("3235"), tonumber("1.5e32"), tonumber("notanumber") |
| 22:41.56 | Cide | Cide: 5.5, nil, 3235, 1.5e+032, nil |
| 22:42.14 | Cide | as you can see, it returns nil if it's not a number, and the number (as a number) otherwise |
| 22:42.24 | Dissonance | Aha. |
| 22:42.39 | ArrowmasterClass | lua> tonumber("notanumber",36) |
| 22:42.39 | lua_bot | ArrowmasterClass: 2.4058814118864e+15 |
| 22:42.51 | Dissonance | So I should just check for a nil return value, then accept the parameter as a string. |
| 22:42.55 | ArrowmasterClass | yes im an ass |
| 22:43.07 | Cide | don't check for nil explicitly |
| 22:43.15 | pastamancer | lua> foo = "1"; arg1 = tonumber(foo) or foo; if type(arg1) == "number" then print("number") else print("string") end |
| 22:43.16 | lua_bot | pastamancer: number |
| 22:43.22 | pastamancer | that also works |
| 22:43.55 | pastamancer | assuming it can sometimes be a number and sometimes not |
| 22:44.43 | Dissonance | arg1, as a number, defines a chat window 1-7 (I think is the max) but most of the time it contains a string, which is a certain player's name. |
| 22:45.11 | Dissonance | User defined, /mySlash Somebody |
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| 22:50.27 | MaienM | Anyone has a good way to keep a database (table) of all guildmembers? |
| 22:50.43 | MaienM | My way doesn't seem to work |
| 22:51.09 | MaienM | i = 1 |
| 22:51.09 | MaienM | while (GetNumGuildMembers()~=#Table) do |
| 22:51.09 | MaienM | name = GetGuildRosterInfo(i) |
| 22:51.09 | MaienM | if (Table[name]==nil) then |
| 22:51.09 | MaienM | table.insert(Table, name, 0) |
| 22:51.10 | MaienM | end |
| 22:51.12 | MaienM | i = i + 1 |
| 22:51.14 | MaienM | end |
| 22:51.17 | cog|work | ~lart MaienM |
| 22:51.17 | purl | shoots MaienM in his sleep |
| 22:51.36 | Lopeppeppy | ~botsnack |
| 22:51.36 | purl | Lopeppeppy: thanks |
| 22:51.44 | MaienM | whoops |
| 22:52.00 | MaienM | wrong copy paste:S |
| 22:52.02 | Tem|AFK | members = {} for i=1,GetNumGuildMembers(true) do members[i] = GetGuildRosterInfo(i) end |
| 22:52.35 | MaienM | thank |
| 22:53.00 | cog|work | MaienM: you should also be aware that the data may not be available right away. If you're doing this during the loading process be sure the event you choose is sufficiently far along in the process |
| 22:53.26 | Tem|AFK | GuildRotuster() |
| 22:53.32 | Tem|AFK | GuildRoster() |
| 22:53.58 | Tem|AFK | :RegisterEvent("GUILD_ROSTER_UPDATE") |
| 22:54.00 | cog|work | or that |
| 22:54.26 | Tem|AFK | the true in GetNumGuildMembers is important |
| 22:54.45 | MaienM | Yeah I was allready using the GUILDROSTER_UPDATE event for this |
| 22:54.57 | Tem|AFK | when you pass true, it makes it return the number of guild members including offline members |
| 22:55.23 | Tem|AFK | also, if you're storing people by table[name] = true then the # operator won't work for telling you how many you have |
| 22:55.43 | Tem|AFK | also, I don't reccomend storing that table since it's so easy to mine it each session |
| 22:55.53 | Tem|AFK | (by storing I mean in saved variables) |
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| 22:56.50 | MaienM | I want it to be stored in the saved variables, becouse I want to save info about guild members |
| 22:56.50 | Dissonance | Can I use C++ style syntax when doing IF statements in LUA? |
| 22:56.59 | ScytheBlade1 | No |
| 22:57.03 | Tem|AFK | Lua is not an acronymn |
| 22:57.08 | Dissonance | if() {//do something} else { // do something else } ? |
| 22:57.11 | Tem|AFK | no |
| 22:57.12 | ScytheBlade1 | No |
| 22:57.19 | Dissonance | ridiculous. |
| 22:57.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Different language! |
| 22:57.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Maybe C++ is ridiculous! |
| 22:57.33 | ScytheBlade1 | WHO KNOWS |
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| 22:57.41 | Tem|AFK | Dissonance, thank god I am not a channel operator in this channel |
| 22:57.43 | Dissonance | I think you'd be hard pressed to find someone who shares that sentiment. |
| 22:57.53 | ScytheBlade1 | I think it doesn't really matter at all |
| 22:57.55 | Tem|AFK | I would have just kicked you |
| 22:57.59 | ScytheBlade1 | As an if statment is an if statment |
| 22:58.00 | Tem|AFK | proably banned |
| 22:58.01 | Dissonance | Why, would you kick me for asking a question? |
| 22:58.06 | Tem|AFK | because you're annoying me |
| 22:58.18 | Tem|AFK | first, you said "LUA" |
| 22:58.27 | Dissonance | As opposed to? |
| 22:58.36 | Tem|AFK | Lua is not an acronym |
| 22:58.38 | ScytheBlade1 | "Lua" |
| 22:58.38 | dylanm | TEM |
| 22:58.50 | Tem|AFK | it is the Portugese word for moon |
| 22:59.03 | cog|work | Dissonance: that's like asking "will a kenyan understand me if i speak japanese to it?" |
| 22:59.08 | NightHawkAtWork | where's krka's autoreply when you need it. |
| 22:59.15 | cog|work | s/it/him\/her/ |
| 22:59.18 | Tem|AFK | second, you thought it was rediculous that you couldn't use another language's syntax for a lua statement |
| 22:59.25 | End | krka: LUA LUA LUA LUA |
| 22:59.39 | Dissonance | The vast majority of languages share syntactical similarities with C++ |
| 22:59.44 | End | lol |
| 22:59.45 | NightHawkAtWork | ... no? |
| 22:59.57 | cog|work | The vast majority of idiots use "vast majority" too often |
| 23:00.04 | End | that's a bold statement :P |
| 23:00.11 | cog|work | End: ironic too :P |
| 23:00.14 | End | indeed |
| 23:00.25 | Dissonance | I came in here asking for some help. |
| 23:00.29 | Dissonance | Not criticism. |
| 23:00.33 | NightHawkAtWork | and you asked stupid questions |
| 23:00.36 | dylanm | And you're getting both! |
| 23:00.43 | dylanm | This is a deal. |
| 23:00.47 | NightHawkAtWork | lol |
| 23:00.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Dissonance: to be perfectly blunt then, ask, don't reply with "that's ridiculous" |
| 23:00.58 | NightHawkAtWork | dylanm: we should charge people for the critisism. |
| 23:01.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Dissonance: lua is nothing like most languages you've used before, it will takes quite a bit of getting used it |
| 23:01.15 | Dissonance | Question: Who here likes Python? |
| 23:01.17 | NightHawkAtWork | criticism* |
| 23:01.20 | cog|work | cide deos |
| 23:01.23 | cog|work | does* |
| 23:01.29 | cog|work | :P |
| 23:01.31 | pastamancer | it has its uses |
| 23:01.36 | dylanm | I mean you have similar syntax for operators, basic function calls, entry access... |
| 23:01.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Quite a few people, and quite a few people like C, and C++, and everything |
| 23:01.40 | NightHawkAtWork | python killed my father. |
| 23:01.44 | Cide | python is great |
| 23:01.45 | dylanm | It's not like Lua is going to be unreadable. |
| 23:02.20 | End | NightHawkAtWork: a python or monty python? |
| 23:02.25 | End | or both? |
| 23:02.28 | NightHawkAtWork | End: python, the language. :P |
| 23:02.34 | End | balderdash! |
| 23:02.37 | NightHawkAtWork | although monty python DOES slay me. |
| 23:02.41 | End | hehe |
| 23:02.42 | cog|work | Dissonance: for the record, if it weren't for your "ridiculous" comment (which I must acknowledge you for spelling correctly) you wouldn't have seen this kind of response... |
| 23:03.01 | dylanm | It's a fair if easily google-able question. |
| 23:03.06 | NightHawkAtWork | well, tem might have been snarky cause of the LUA thing, but he's cranky in general. :P |
| 23:03.08 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd like to emphasize what cog|work just said, about 1000x over |
| 23:03.12 | pastamancer | I think it's ridiculous that C++ requires semicolons at the end of statements! |
| 23:03.17 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkAtWork: and drunk ;) |
| 23:03.21 | dylanm | pastamancer: I am with you on this. |
| 23:03.25 | NightHawkAtWork | ScytheBlade1: and for that, i envy him. |
| 23:03.40 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkAtWork: haha |
| 23:03.55 | Cide | pastamancer: we need to strip them from our files to save file size, amirite? |
| 23:04.11 | pastamancer | Cide: less semicolons = moar fastar |
| 23:04.14 | Cide | Dissonance: since nobody else did it |
| 23:04.18 | Cide | I'll go ahead |
| 23:04.22 | Cide | Dissonance: www.lua.org/pil |
| 23:04.24 | dylanm | Easier to squeeze them through the tubes that way. |
| 23:04.37 | Dissonance | Cide: Thanks. |
| 23:04.42 | dylanm | Also, why did no one suggest writing things in DogTag |
| 23:04.49 | End | Hmm, we don't have a link to PIL in the topic anymore? |
| 23:04.56 | Cide | I don't care |
| 23:04.56 | Lopeppeppy | dylanm: Write things in Dogtag. *nod* |
| 23:04.57 | End | (or did we ever, and I imagined it?) |
| 23:04.58 | Cide | I link it anyway |
| 23:05.02 | End | well |
| 23:05.06 | End | nobody reads the topic |
| 23:05.14 | End | that just means we can crucify people for not reading it |
| 23:05.16 | Dissonance | The reference manual really isn't very helpful. |
| 23:05.23 | Cide | cog|work: a lua interpreter in brainfuck? oh my |
| 23:05.28 | Cide | Dissonance: it's not a reference manual. |
| 23:05.30 | End | PIL isn't a reference manual :) |
| 23:05.37 | cog|work | ha no ... vice versa :P |
| 23:05.39 | Dissonance | I know, I was referring to the other one. |
| 23:05.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Cide: I think he means that the refman isn't useful |
| 23:05.45 | Dissonance | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/ |
| 23:05.50 | ScytheBlade1 | *isn't that |
| 23:05.50 | Cide | oh, but it is |
| 23:06.04 | Dissonance | Any sort of examples are very extraneous. |
| 23:06.06 | End | I usually use the reference manaul when I need to look something about the language up |
| 23:06.09 | Cide | stat ::= do block end |
| 23:06.24 | dylanm | The manual is all I use now. |
| 23:06.26 | cog|work | Cide: though given an appropriate BF macro compiler, i'm sure it could be done :P |
| 23:06.29 | End | ok, yes, you can get the grammar from the manaul too |
| 23:06.29 | Cide | stat ::= if exp then block {elseif exp then block} [else block] end |
| 23:06.34 | Dissonance | It's like they utilize an entire different syntax. |
| 23:06.37 | Cide | ^ should answer his question |
| 23:06.52 | dylanm | If you read a lot of BNF it's not so bad. |
| 23:06.57 | Cide | cog|work: I'm talking by hand :P |
| 23:06.59 | Dissonance | BNF? |
| 23:07.10 | cog|work | Cide: yeah, but i wasn't talking about doing that at all :P |
| 23:07.13 | Cide | www.google.com/search?q=BNF |
| 23:07.23 | Cide | cog|work: oh, but you should! |
| 23:07.30 | cog|work | dear god no plx |
| 23:07.41 | End | Dissonance: basically, how you can represent the structure of the language |
| 23:08.12 | Cide | if you're complaining about lua, you must HATE python |
| 23:08.29 | NightHawkAtWork | Cide: yeah, its not c-like either. ;) |
| 23:08.39 | Cide | python? it isn't |
| 23:08.45 | Dissonance | I just... don't like the whitespace seperation. |
| 23:09.06 | pastamancer | this discussion needs more parenthesis |
| 23:09.11 | Dissonance | I'm having a lapse for the correct terminology. |
| 23:09.12 | End | lisp? |
| 23:09.12 | Cide | (fuck you) |
| 23:09.21 | pastamancer | (hugs Cide) |
| 23:09.24 | cog|work | Dissonance: think of "then" and "end" as "{" and "}", respectively |
| 23:09.30 | dylanm | I feel like Lua does reside in some category with C++. There are languages outside of that category like Haskell and Lisp that take some time to understand. |
| 23:09.32 | NightHawkAtWork | Dissonance: you should learn the whitespace langauge. |
| 23:09.32 | cog|work | if blah then ... end |
| 23:09.34 | Dissonance | Oh, I love VB.Net. |
| 23:09.35 | Cide | ((no offense <-- ooc btw --> )) |
| 23:09.46 | Dissonance | The syntax is great. There's just *something* about Lua |
| 23:09.52 | Hirsute | Xinhuan: The other night you gave me some tips on how to remove the AuctionFrame from the standard Frame Handling system. the AuctionFrame:SetAttribute("UIPanelLayout-enabled", nil) works only after the AuctionFrame has been loaded once. What would I need to do if I wanted to set pull it out of the standard frame handler before it had ever loaded? |
| 23:10.02 | Cide | holy crap |
| 23:10.03 | cog|work | O.o |
| 23:10.06 | pastamancer | lua and C are both algol-derivatives, lua just went through smalltalk and icon first |
| 23:10.06 | cog|work | o.O |
| 23:10.07 | NightHawkAtWork | oh.. you love vb.net.. tht explains so much about your incompetance. :P |
| 23:10.08 | Cide | don't spam us with techincal stuff |
| 23:10.09 | Hirsute | The AuctionFrame, that is. |
| 23:10.11 | cog|work | O.O |
| 23:10.12 | End | in the grand scheme of things, yes, lua isn't -that- different |
| 23:10.14 | cog|work | -.- |
| 23:10.43 | Cide | we need to devise a language composed entirely of smileys |
| 23:10.57 | End | hehe |
| 23:11.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Cide: :) :-( :=() |
| 23:11.01 | MaienM | :P:):(:D:D:D:D:D:S:S:(:$ |
| 23:11.04 | Cide | I define ":(" to be 'end' |
| 23:11.19 | pastamancer | that'll completely screw up my paren matching |
| 23:11.19 | MaienM | and :) to be 'then' |
| 23:11.19 | End | :o |
| 23:11.25 | Dissonance | I'd say the colon key would wear out rather quickly. |
| 23:11.31 | End | well |
| 23:11.36 | End | you have stuff like o_O too |
| 23:11.42 | MaienM | just like my 'a' key now:P |
| 23:11.43 | cog|work | ^^ |
| 23:11.51 | Cide | o_O would be "catch" |
| 23:11.52 | End | which should probably for advanced object orientated bits :P |
| 23:11.54 | End | or that |
| 23:11.57 | End | that'd be a good use |
| 23:12.02 | cog|work | O.o would be "throw" |
| 23:12.08 | MaienM | :P would be 'if' |
| 23:12.19 | Cide | that doesn't make sense |
| 23:12.22 | cog|work | ;) would be "private" |
| 23:12.23 | Cide | :P should be like "ha, eat that!" |
| 23:12.38 | Cide | which would fit for return or something |
| 23:12.42 | Dissonance | How would you encapsulate text strings which contain colons, parentheses, or combinations of both? |
| 23:12.46 | MaienM | what programming language is that? |
| 23:12.50 | dylanm | Does :psyduck: count |
| 23:13.05 | End | x_x |
| 23:13.14 | cog|work | Dissonance: unary numbers 4tw!!! |
| 23:13.16 | cog|work | ! = 1 |
| 23:13.19 | cog|work | !! = 2 |
| 23:13.21 | cog|work | !!! = 3 |
| 23:13.26 | End | x_x should be abort :P |
| 23:13.37 | cog|work | 1 & ! would be interchangeable |
| 23:13.45 | Cide | X( <- exit imo |
| 23:14.07 | Dissonance | I believe some form of multi-line ASCII art should be incorporated as well. |
| 23:14.13 | End | like cowsay? |
| 23:14.17 | Cide | cog|work: ooh! roman numerals |
| 23:14.25 | cog|work | yes! |
| 23:14.36 | Cide | with other symbols |
| 23:14.43 | cog|work | roman numerals often look like emoticons in and of themselves... |
| 23:14.54 | End | ^_^ |
| 23:14.57 | cog|work | XD is valid roman numeral, no? |
| 23:15.04 | Cide | yes |
| 23:15.08 | Cide | at least I think 'D' is a symbol |
| 23:15.09 | End | what's D? |
| 23:15.14 | cog|work | 50 iirc |
| 23:15.17 | Dissonance | XD is a smiley... or I suppose a constant. |
| 23:15.17 | End | then eah |
| 23:15.19 | End | yeah |
| 23:15.27 | End | it'd be 40 I guess for XD |
| 23:15.28 | Cide | D is 500 |
| 23:15.31 | End | oh |
| 23:15.33 | Cide | so 490 |
| 23:15.38 | cog|work | i knew it was 5something |
| 23:15.44 | End | I don't think you can apply X to D that way |
| 23:15.50 | Cide | sure you can |
| 23:15.54 | Dissonance | I don't see why not. |
| 23:16.01 | End | well |
| 23:16.08 | MaienM | you can |
| 23:16.08 | End | I suppose you can apply anything you want :P |
| 23:16.16 | MaienM | thats the roman system:P |
| 23:16.17 | cog|work | we can make the rules more generic |
| 23:16.18 | Dissonance | Then again, I'm not the roman numeral buff I once was. |
| 23:16.22 | End | roman numerals today aren't exactly what the romans used |
| 23:16.29 | End | I don't think they even had IV |
| 23:16.32 | Cide | can you specify negative numbers without using '-'? |
| 23:16.38 | Cide | with roman numerals :P |
| 23:16.41 | cog|work | the romans used XLIX instead of IL |
| 23:16.41 | End | not with roman numerals |
| 23:16.45 | Cide | boo |
| 23:16.51 | End | they don't have zero either I think? |
| 23:17.03 | MaienM | nope |
| 23:17.10 | MaienM | and no negatives either |
| 23:17.18 | Dissonance | The romans were a very absolute race. |
| 23:17.25 | Dissonance | Well |
| 23:17.29 | Dissonance | Not race, but you know what I mean. |
| 23:18.17 | MaienM | culture? |
| 23:18.38 | Dissonance | I was thinking more like empire. |
| 23:18.44 | cog|work | society |
| 23:18.49 | Kirov | era |
| 23:18.59 | MaienM | something like that |
| 23:18.59 | cog|work | bunch |
| 23:19.00 | End | dudes in togas |
| 23:19.03 | MaienM | group |
| 23:19.20 | MaienM | drummcircle |
| 23:19.23 | cog|work | Floosmarflatchberinstikick |
| 23:19.24 | Dissonance | I don't think they'll be too angry with me if I mess it up. |
| 23:19.26 | Cide | execution path |
| 23:19.27 | Kirov | Roman Peoples Liberty Group |
| 23:19.49 | End | I thought it was the People's Roman Liberation Front? |
| 23:20.03 | *** join/#wowuidev JoshBorke (n=josh@r35h14.res.gatech.edu) |
| 23:23.41 | Kaso | i assume you mean this; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4Z_b-06BDk |
| 23:23.45 | Dissonance | Are there only 7 chat windows in WoW? |
| 23:23.55 | pastamancer | yes |
| 23:24.05 | pastamancer | it does not go up to 11 |
| 23:24.08 | Dissonance | I thought so. For some reason I have 9 written down. |
| 23:25.15 | *** join/#wowuidev Matrix110 (n=bla@pD957EACE.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:25.37 | End | Kaso: that's what I was thinking of |
| 23:31.05 | Lunessa | So buy her a beer, it's the reason you're here... Mighty Wingman! |
| 23:31.36 | Lunessa | ... that tune is stuck in my head. I'm trying to get it out by sharing. |
| 23:32.27 | Dissonance | The reference manual says that arrays in lua are tables. Can I add/delete rows from any point in the array? |
| 23:32.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Sure |
| 23:32.47 | Dissonance | Does it leave an empty index? |
| 23:32.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Just assign the key to nil |
| 23:32.53 | ScytheBlade1 | If you want it to |
| 23:33.23 | Dissonance | Well, I'd prefer it just delete the entire row, so that when I loop through it again, it doesn't die on that empty row. |
| 23:33.31 | ScytheBlade1 | table[k] = nil |
| 23:33.36 | ScytheBlade1 | And that entry no longer exists |
| 23:33.42 | Lunessa | Ta-da! |
| 23:33.47 | Dissonance | Understood. |
| 23:34.18 | Dissonance | Can I search an array for a value, or would I have to loop through it? |
| 23:34.31 | ScytheBlade1 | The latter |
| 23:35.21 | dylanm | There is a table.remove that will shift things for you. |
| 23:35.23 | Dissonance | Is it a bad idea to store an array of Character strings in one as a savedvariable? |
| 23:35.36 | Dissonance | (I read about the table.remove, but it didn't specify if it removed the index) |
| 23:35.42 | *** join/#wowuidev Kaso| (n=Kaso@host86-133-71-57.range86-133.btcentralplus.com) |
| 23:35.44 | dylanm | OBSERVE |
| 23:36.06 | dylanm | lua> table.remove({"a","b","c"}, 2) |
| 23:36.06 | lua_bot | dylanm: b |
| 23:36.12 | dylanm | Ah shit I need the reference. |
| 23:36.22 | Dissonance | table.remove returns the value it removes. |
| 23:36.35 | dylanm | lua> a={"a","b","c"} table.remove(a, 2) print(a) |
| 23:36.35 | lua_bot | dylanm: table: 0x631000 |
| 23:36.41 | dylanm | No pretty print? Argh. |
| 23:36.58 | dylanm | This table comes out soooo nice trust me on this. |
| 23:37.27 | ScytheBlade1 | dylanm: for k,v in pairs(a) do print(k.." "..") end |
| 23:37.40 | dylanm | I know. |
| 23:38.05 | *** join/#wowuidev Kaso_ (n=Kaso@host86-133-71-57.range86-133.btcentralplus.com) |
| 23:38.07 | ScytheBlade1 | I know you know, I'm just being redundant :) |
| 23:38.27 | Shirik | lua> pp{1,2,3} |
| 23:38.27 | lua_bot | Shirik: { 1, 2, 3 } (#1) |
| 23:38.34 | dylanm | Oooh. |
| 23:38.37 | dylanm | See I didn't write the bot :p |
| 23:38.49 | End | lua> pp(function() end) |
| 23:38.49 | lua_bot | End: function: 0x62dc90 |
| 23:38.55 | dylanm | lua> a={"a","b","c"} table.remove(a, 2) pp(a) |
| 23:38.55 | lua_bot | dylanm: { "a", "c" } (#1) |
| 23:38.57 | End | (I was curious) |
| 23:39.08 | Dissonance | Why is it returning those values? |
| 23:39.17 | Dissonance | Are those pointers? |
| 23:39.18 | dylanm | Returning what values? |
| 23:39.30 | End | it's actually a string |
| 23:39.50 | Dissonance | What I'm referring to is "0x62dc90" |
| 23:39.57 | Dissonance | A string, you say? |
| 23:39.59 | End | lua> print(type(function()end), function() end) |
| 23:39.59 | lua_bot | End: function, function: 0x631220 |
| 23:40.02 | End | oops |
| 23:40.04 | Shirik | lua> a = {1,2, foo = {4,5}}; table.insert(a, a); a.foo[a] = a; pp(a) |
| 23:40.04 | lua_bot | Shirik: { 1, 2, <table: #1>, ["foo"] = { 4, 5, [<table: #1>] = <table: #1> } (#2) } (#1) |
| 23:40.12 | End | lua> print(type(tostirng(function()end)), tostring(function() end)) |
| 23:40.12 | lua_bot | End: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'tostirng' (a nil value) |
| 23:40.13 | Shirik | ^ hardcore pretty print |
| 23:40.17 | End | I can't spell! |
| 23:40.46 | End | Dissonance: anyways, it automatically turns what you send to print() into a string |
| 23:40.59 | End | lua> print(tostring({})) |
| 23:40.59 | lua_bot | End: table: 0x63d930 |
| 23:41.07 | End | which doesn't help you I guess :P |
| 23:41.15 | Shirik | whats with the useless parentheses :P |
| 23:41.17 | Shirik | print(tostring{}) |
| 23:41.22 | Shirik | lua> print(tostring{}) |
| 23:41.22 | lua_bot | Shirik: table: 0x63d930 |
| 23:41.45 | Dissonance | Like a pointer, cast(string)? |
| 23:41.46 | End | I don't usually do it that way, since it looks strange sometimes |
| 23:42.04 | End | Dissonance: it's mostly just internal details being exposed |
| 23:42.13 | Shirik | Dissonance: Yes, its the address, but thats not really helpful to you. You cant do anything with it |
| 23:42.21 | Dissonance | I see. |
| 23:42.22 | Shirik | its mostly to help distinguish between two identical objects |
| 23:42.56 | WobWork | hm, github launched |
| 23:45.57 | Dissonance | CHAT_MSG_ADDON and SendAddonMessage both have 4 arguments. The 4th are both described as "sender". For the sending, you should specify who you want to be the recipient, and for the event, it contains the character who sent it to you? |
| 23:46.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Correct |
| 23:47.43 | pastamancer | and of course sender in SendAddonMessage is only useful if the "type" is "WHISPER" |
| 23:47.57 | pastamancer | or rather target |
| 23:48.26 | Dissonance | Right. Also: If I SendAddonMessage, does CHAT_MSG_ADDON trigger for the member who is sending? |
| 23:48.31 | ScytheBlade1 | No |
| 23:48.36 | ScytheBlade1 | It fires when an addon message is recieved |
| 23:48.45 | ScytheBlade1 | If you sent it to yourself, then sure |
| 23:49.09 | Dissonance | It just says "everyone in the party/raid/bg" so I couldn't tell. |
| 23:49.36 | ScytheBlade1 | If you send it to the raid, you are part of the raid. So you'd get it too. |
| 23:50.49 | ScytheBlade1 | General rule of thumb: and events you recieve, you cannot directly trigger |
| 23:51.02 | ScytheBlade1 | So while you can send an addon message that would fire CHAT_MSG_ADDON |
| 23:51.10 | ScytheBlade1 | You cannot directly fire CHAT_MSG_ADDON on your client |
| 23:54.31 | NightHawkAtWork | http://www.evilmadscientist.com/article.php/fractalcookies |
| 23:54.37 | NightHawkAtWork | Sierpinsky cookies. neat. |
| 23:57.48 | Lunessa | ... now I want cookies. |
| 23:57.58 | Valaron|Work | I love oatmeal raisin cookies. |
| 23:58.02 | Lopeppeppy | I'm going to make cookies, Lunessa, come on over. |
| 23:58.12 | Lunessa | That's a 2-day drive. |
| 23:58.34 | NightHawkAtWork | Lopeppeppy: make fractal cookies! |
| 23:59.27 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, weekend is coming up! *grin* |
| 23:59.42 | Lopeppeppy | NightHawkTheSane... I'm not crazy enough to do that much work for a cookie flavor I don't like! |
| 23:59.47 | Lunessa | *chuckle* FedEx me cookies! |
| 23:59.52 | NightHawkAtWork | ... you could use other flavors? |
