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| 00:12.51 | Shirik | whee 1762 mp5 |
| 00:12.53 | Shirik | <3 hyjal |
| 00:13.02 | ScytheBlade1 | <3 Jaina more like |
| 00:13.03 | kd3 | w...t...f... |
| 00:13.07 | Shirik | yeah kinda Jainas fault |
| 00:13.08 | Shirik | but still |
| 00:13.17 | ScytheBlade1 | "kinda" |
| 00:13.17 | kd3 | even with brilliance aura... wtf |
| 00:13.27 | Shirik | without that I have 930 |
| 00:13.48 | Shirik | nooooo |
| 00:13.51 | Shirik | They took away one of the pallies |
| 00:13.56 | Shirik | now Im down to 888 because no wisdom :( |
| 00:14.47 | Shirik | kd3: <3 my spirit, no? |
| 00:16.03 | kd3 | I figured those numbers were possible after reading the theorycrafting on EJ... but actually seeing them? |
| 00:16.33 | Kirov | Is there a particular reason Omen2 doesn't calculate threat for all unit w/o needing to sync? |
| 00:16.48 | kd3 | everyone in the raid needs to have the same version |
| 00:16.50 | Kirov | ~seen Adrine |
| 00:16.52 | purl | adrine <n=Chris@ip68-2-219-112.ph.ph.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 508d 18h 13m 42s ago, saying: 'In that case I'd want my button to use the inherited OnClick'. |
| 00:17.03 | Antiarc | Kirov: Because doing that's computationally expensive as hell |
| 00:17.04 | Antiarc | IMO |
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| 00:17.23 | kd3 | oh, I misread. ignore me |
| 00:17.23 | Antiarc | Also because when I wrote Omen, talent info wasn't available :P |
| 00:17.45 | Guillotine | Does anybody know the != operator from Python off-hand? |
| 00:17.50 | dylanm | Also stances, right? |
| 00:17.56 | Antiarc | And stances, yes |
| 00:18.01 | Kirov | Antiarc - hence asking about omen 2. :) |
| 00:18.18 | Kirov | though, I guess stance information is still unavailable? |
| 00:18.18 | dylanm | Guillotine: It's != :p |
| 00:18.25 | Guillotine | dylanm: hehe, thanks |
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| 00:19.29 | Antiarc | Omen2's just a new frontend |
| 00:19.46 | Shirik|AFK | stupid internet |
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| 00:19.49 | Kirov | The question comes from a heroic last night where a two fire ball crits in a row would pull aggro off the tank... even after he'd been hitting it for a while. |
| 00:19.55 | Kirov | and he, of course, didn't have Omen. |
| 00:20.05 | Antiarc | The threat backend up was upgrade to the new combat log and delocalization via spell IDs |
| 00:20.33 | Shirik | anyway kd3, I know you <3 my spirit |
| 00:20.38 | Kirov | but omen's, um, middle end is the same I guess (ie: syncing) |
| 00:20.49 | Kirov | At least conceptially |
| 00:20.51 | dylanm | I suppose the feeling is that checking talents and doing the calcs for the other 24 guys is a bit much? |
| 00:21.32 | Kirov | I'm thinking back to CTRA early days, where it did distributed estimation for members w/o CTRA |
| 00:22.03 | Kirov | Not sure how many people here were around from then. |
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| 00:23.47 | Kirov | Basically back in the early days, there was no way to get health information about players not in your party, so that information was broadcasted by members in each party that did have CTRA so that others could use it. If more than one person in a party had the addon, it split the duty between them. |
| 00:24.08 | Antiarc | dylanm: My primary concern is buff changes |
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| 00:24.30 | Antiarc | Rescanning each raid member's buffs each time their buffs change = giant pain in the patootie. |
| 00:24.45 | Antiarc | It's already uncomfortable expensive for self-only in Threat |
| 00:24.50 | Antiarc | uncomfortably* |
| 00:25.14 | dylanm | Every UNIT_AURA gets reflected in the combat log somehow though, right? |
| 00:25.25 | kd3 | getting "fix these heisenbugs", night? |
| 00:25.59 | Antiarc | dylanm: I think so, but I won't promise it |
| 00:26.24 | dylanm | Because that seems a lot cheaper to do. Check against a bunch of constants I mean. |
| 00:26.40 | Antiarc | Well, right, but the problem is that threat mods are multiplicative |
| 00:26.43 | Antiarc | So, say you have Fel Rage |
| 00:26.49 | Antiarc | That reduces your threat multiplier to zero |
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| 00:26.59 | Antiarc | How do you perform the inverse of threat = threat * 0 when it fades? |
| 00:27.16 | Antiarc | You can't - you have to rescan the player's buffs and recalculate a total based on those buffs. |
| 00:27.40 | Esine | Hey. Anyone know what happens if you go to an instance alone and log out? |
| 00:27.51 | Antiarc | You also don't get events when a player's gear changes, so things like threat enchants and items with threat-modifying abilities would be really hard to catch |
| 00:27.54 | Esine | will you get teleported back with Hearthstone or will the instance be saved? |
| 00:28.00 | Antiarc | Rather, when another player's gear changes. |
| 00:28.11 | Antiarc | Esine: You will log back in at the beginning of the instance |
| 00:28.15 | Antiarc | If you're logged out long enough |
| 00:28.17 | Esine | oh.. |
| 00:28.26 | Esine | do you know how long the duration is? 15 min? |
| 00:28.31 | Antiarc | 15 min sounds about right |
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| 00:29.12 | dylanm | Gotcha. I'm in no hurry to allow people to be stupid and not have the mod, but if there are technical advantages I can see an argument. |
| 00:29.39 | dylanm | I was more referring to optimizing the player's calculations. |
| 00:29.53 | Antiarc | I would certainly love to provide self-serve group threat info, but I'm reeeeally leery of the work that would go into it |
| 00:30.03 | Kirov | Antiarc - I've pretty much avoided the major part of threat calculation nitty gritty ever since the challenge was first put forth in the ui forums two years ago. |
| 00:30.28 | dylanm | Like, maybe doing buffs the way I described and then storing a value just before it dropped to zero... you know. |
| 00:31.27 | Antiarc | Well |
| 00:31.29 | dylanm | I'm always keen on using events that are full of information rather than the ones that require rescanning. |
| 00:31.32 | Antiarc | Then you run into the problem of - |
| 00:31.34 | dylanm | But there are probably good reasons against it. |
| 00:31.36 | Antiarc | YOu have salv |
| 00:31.42 | Antiarc | Then get fel rage, store 0.7 as your modifier |
| 00:31.44 | Antiarc | Salv drops |
| 00:31.47 | Antiarc | Fel rage drops |
| 00:32.03 | Kirov | When I first saw Nurfed's (failed) threat meter I dismissed it as being something to complex to be accurately estimated. It took KTM being out for a while for me to admit to myself it was even mostly possible. I pretty much refused to use it until Omen came out because of KTM's interface and usability wiggles. |
| 00:32.42 | Antiarc | Heh, I actually thought about writing a threat meter before KTM existed, but I too dismissed it as too complex to do |
| 00:32.54 | dylanm | A lot of people had to eat crow there I guess. |
| 00:33.27 | dylanm | I think the threat-unrolling is possible but it's a new fuckton of work to be sure. |
| 00:33.35 | ScytheBlade1 | If we had COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED back then, though, I imagine that we would have had a threat meter much earlier |
| 00:33.37 | dylanm | And you're storing a lot. |
| 00:33.42 | Antiarc | ScytheBlade1: I agree |
| 00:33.45 | Kirov | At this point I'm just impressed that A) someone (and, in fact, more than one) actually put the time in to getting it all and B) It's even remotely accurate. |
| 00:34.02 | Kirov | ScytheBlade1 - true |
| 00:34.03 | ScytheBlade1 | No small part of that barrier was registering for 29387987 events and processing them individually |
| 00:34.45 | dylanm | "The only guy who was willing to do it was Kenco" describes the situation well. |
| 00:34.46 | Kirov | At the same time, addons like Omen / KTM are some of the bigger reasons why the combat log change was necessitated. |
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| 00:35.46 | Treila | hello |
| 00:35.48 | Kirov | dylanm - that's not entirely true though. KTM's threat values were based on work by many others who originally attempted to calculate how threat worked. |
| 00:36.56 | Kirov | Kenco finished the job, and probably rewrote most of the existing rules with more concrete testing, but some decent measure of credit should go to those who were already working on it. |
| 00:37.26 | Treila | Sorry to come to you guys with an ultra nub question, but I have some slight experience with LUA, but I decided to try and work on a mod from scratch....and i'm failing before i even get started |
| 00:37.39 | Treila | and that was one heck of a runon sentence... |
| 00:37.53 | Antiarc | First response you'll always get: Lua is not an acronym :P |
| 00:37.59 | Antiarc | (Lua is portuguese for "moon") |
| 00:38.03 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Portal:Interface_customization |
| 00:38.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Treila: as a whole, aside fro-- from what Antiarc just said :) |
| 00:38.16 | ScytheBlade1 | We'll answer as we can, 'maybe.' ;) |
| 00:38.27 | Treila | heh, just a habit of capitalizing file extensions |
| 00:38.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Ask away, but there are no real promises ;) |
| 00:38.36 | Kirov | that's fine were used to a complete lack of any punctuation here along with very long run on sentances with horable spelin and otherissuesofWORSEKINDSLIKEAOLAND1337SP34|< |
| 00:38.38 | Antiarc | I don't know about you guys |
| 00:38.44 | Antiarc | But I'm awesome with Xml and Html |
| 00:38.46 | Antiarc | <_< |
| 00:38.48 | Esine | btw, are there any interface libraries available for WoW? something simpler to use than the horrible horrible XML format |
| 00:38.57 | Antiarc | Hehe. Anyhow, fire away, Treila |
| 00:39.02 | Treila | Starting off from the very begining, trying to get the xml to call the lua's onload function |
| 00:39.06 | Esine | or at least make the horrible horrible xml easier to make good looking interfaces |
| 00:39.07 | Antiarc | Esine: You can write frames with in plain lua |
| 00:39.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Esine: heard of ace? ;) |
| 00:39.21 | Antiarc | AceGUI is awesome for a lot of stuff |
| 00:39.22 | Esine | ScytheBlade1, does ACE provide User Interface libraries? |
| 00:39.29 | Antiarc | like AceGUI-3.0? :) |
| 00:39.32 | Esine | so AceGUI is maintained? |
| 00:39.32 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd imagine that it provided everything. |
| 00:39.33 | Treila | and it keeps erroring out claiming that my onload function is nil (as if i set it as a variable) |
| 00:39.49 | Antiarc | Treila: Paste some code to pastey.net |
| 00:39.53 | Esine | I believe it was 6 months ago I looked at ACE and they said none of the GUI stuff are maintained |
| 00:39.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Treila: use the website in the channel topic, http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ - to show us your code |
| 00:40.24 | Antiarc | Esine: Ace3 is in beta now,and it sports a new AceGUI setup. |
| 00:40.30 | Esine | ok. |
| 00:40.43 | Antiarc | However, it's well worth it to learn to create UIs in Lua |
| 00:40.46 | Esine | does it work well then? |
| 00:40.48 | Antiarc | It's a lot briefer and more controllable than XML |
| 00:40.56 | Antiarc | Yeah, I used it for MobSpells, if you want to take a look at that |
| 00:40.57 | Esine | yeah that'd be good. |
| 00:41.04 | Antiarc | http://files.wowace.com/MobSpells/MobSpells.zip |
| 00:42.05 | Kirov | Esine - AceGUI is just a wrapper for existing lua functions that can be used to create frames. |
| 00:42.31 | Kirov | Esine - It should help simplify the process, but it's just something to be aware. |
| 00:42.52 | AnduinLothar | what kind of gui are oyu trying to make? |
| 00:43.01 | Antiarc | AnduinLothar's question is a good one :) |
| 00:43.07 | Esine | well just normal dialogs |
| 00:43.10 | Antiarc | AceGUI is good for some things, but certainly nowhere near anything. |
| 00:43.10 | Treila | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/85368 there is an "end" at the very end just got cut off |
| 00:43.11 | Esine | um, a list view |
| 00:43.13 | Antiarc | Err, everything. |
| 00:43.25 | Kirov | Antiarc - lol |
| 00:43.28 | AnduinLothar | list view or dialogue of what? |
| 00:43.29 | Antiarc | Esine: AceGUI does list views pretty decently. |
| 00:43.34 | Esine | but I dont want my dialogs to look like black boxes |
| 00:43.38 | Esine | I want them to have nice frames |
| 00:43.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Treila: function EE_OnLoad(); |
| 00:44.04 | Esine | like the default Blizzard dialog look |
| 00:44.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Treila: that's trying to call the function, not define it :) - remove the semicoloon and you should be good |
| 00:44.21 | ScytheBlade1 | *semicolon |
| 00:44.31 | AnduinLothar | what blizzard dialogs? |
| 00:44.42 | Antiarc | http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/2070/mobspells2zm5.jpg <-- MobSpells' view |
| 00:44.47 | Esine | err I dont know like Quest Log? |
| 00:44.50 | Antiarc | Tree view on the left, list view on the right |
| 00:45.04 | Esine | Antiarc, well that's good enough |
| 00:45.25 | Esine | I'm thinking of making an addon that keeps track of all the people you come across, and if possible inspect them and store that info to database |
| 00:45.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: so you wrote the addon I wanted to, before me, and did it better than I would have done it. Grats. *downloads* |
| 00:45.31 | AnduinLothar | ok, i usually refer to those as UI Panels, but i dunno if that's standard. What do you want to put in them? |
| 00:45.38 | Antiarc | ScytheBlade1: Haha |
| 00:45.41 | Esine | I've had that happen MANY many times I select an enemy player then instantly forget their name |
| 00:45.55 | Esine | which can lead to death in world pvp :( |
| 00:46.09 | dylanm | The semicolon should be fine, shouldn't it? |
| 00:46.18 | dylanm | You really don't need any of the semicolons you have, though. |
| 00:46.41 | Kirov | bad people, keep the damn semicolons |
| 00:46.54 | AnduinLothar | hmmm, i already have an addon that caches inspect data |
| 00:47.12 | Kirov | A lot of addons cache inspect data |
| 00:47.15 | Antiarc | Noes to semicolons! |
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| 00:47.31 | Antiarc | We hates them, mean nasty end-line delimiterses. |
| 00:47.35 | dylanm | Yuck city. |
| 00:47.37 | AnduinLothar | Examiner |
| 00:47.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Treila: turn on lua errors in WoW, too. That way it'll tell you the problems in your code, and if nothing else, on what line |
| 00:47.54 | Kirov | Examiner, Lootlink (newer non-Telo versions), ItemSync, and a hand full of addons designed to do "just that" |
| 00:48.28 | AnduinLothar | well, Examinercaches the inspect data by char and not jsut the items |
| 00:48.32 | Kirov | There are also a ton of addons that save a list of everyone you've ever met, some PvP ones that keep some form of information on them person for you as well (like how hard they hit, etc) |
| 00:49.26 | AnduinLothar | Examiner also has a list view already |
| 00:49.33 | Treila | I believe it's on >.> it's calling out the error [string "EEtest:OnLoad"]:1: attempt to call global 'EE_OnLoad' (a nil value) |
| 00:49.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 00:49.42 | Treila | removing semi-colons from the Lua didn't help |
| 00:49.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Because EE_OnLoad isn't properly defined as a function, so it doesn't exist |
| 00:50.27 | AnduinLothar | Esine: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7377-Examiner.html |
| 00:50.59 | AnduinLothar | the 'cache' button brings up a list of everyone you've inspected |
| 00:51.19 | AnduinLothar | and it's not that hard to modify it to inspect everyone you target |
| 00:51.56 | Esine | oh! |
| 00:52.20 | Kirov | AnduinLothar - it already does |
| 00:52.21 | AnduinLothar | not that you shouldn't learn to code addons... |
| 00:52.35 | Kirov | Well, sort of |
| 00:52.46 | AnduinLothar | no it doesn't |
| 00:52.53 | Kirov | as of 2.4 you are required to "inspect" someone before it caches |
| 00:53.07 | Esine | hmmm? |
| 00:53.20 | AnduinLothar | you can just run around with the inspect window open targetting people tho |
| 00:53.29 | Esine | well that's not what I want to do anyway |
| 00:53.37 | Esine | and I want to link the addon to Mobinfo somehow |
| 00:53.41 | Esine | I hear there's a Mobinfo API |
| 00:53.52 | Esine | I want it to be automatic if possible |
| 00:53.59 | Esine | I'm not familiar with the Blizzard API so I don't know yet |
| 00:54.00 | AnduinLothar | why? you want to put more info in the tooltip? |
| 00:54.13 | Esine | no, I want to save every single person I meet to a database so I can look them up 6 months later if I wish |
| 00:54.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: I'd be lying to you if I said that mobspells wasn't stupidly awesome |
| 00:54.24 | Esine | including their gear |
| 00:54.27 | Treila | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/85369 still didn't work :( |
| 00:54.27 | AnduinLothar | that sounds memory intensive.. |
| 00:54.35 | Antiarc | ScytheBlade1: Hehe. Thanks. |
| 00:54.39 | Esine | kinda like Mobinfo, but for people |
| 00:54.58 | Treila | wait... |
| 00:55.02 | AnduinLothar | could just modify Examiner to save the data accross sessions if it doesn't already |
| 00:55.15 | Kirov | AnduinLothar - he's not looking for gear |
| 00:55.19 | dylanm | You're sure your Lua is loading? |
| 00:55.29 | AnduinLothar | "including their gear" |
| 00:55.35 | AnduinLothar | he said gear |
| 00:55.37 | Treila | i'll double check |
| 00:55.47 | Treila | .... |
| 00:55.51 | Treila | ok like i said |
| 00:55.52 | Treila | nub |
| 00:55.52 | dylanm | Whoa. Don't name a frame and a function the same. |
| 00:55.57 | Treila | nub who needs to learn how to spell |
| 00:56.05 | Treila | i typo'd the Lua's title |
| 00:56.31 | Kirov | Treila - |
| 00:56.31 | Treila | been cursing at this thing for a at least 30 minutes...you'd think i'd look at that |
| 00:56.31 | Kirov | function EEOnEvent("CHAT_MSG_WHISPER") |
| 00:56.31 | Kirov | that's bad |
| 00:56.47 | Treila | oops |
| 00:57.10 | Treila | i'll read up again on events to fix that |
| 00:57.27 | Treila | (events and string.find are still kicking my butt) |
| 00:58.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: as if I didn't bug you enough ;D |
| 00:58.21 | dylanm | That's not our biggest concern here. |
| 00:58.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: make it so that escape closes the window, if you could |
| 00:58.39 | Treila | ah names aren't permanent |
| 00:58.46 | Treila | was just trying to understand the basics |
| 00:58.52 | Treila | but yeah will fix that too |
| 00:59.08 | Treila | had changed the name of the frame to see if was reading the error correctly |
| 01:02.36 | Treila | Ok, it's working now thank you |
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| 01:09.49 | Kirov | Traila - btw, if all you're using the frame for is events you might be better off doing it all from Lua and not using any XML. |
| 01:09.59 | Kirov | I personally find it easier to manage. |
| 01:10.17 | Kirov | Doesn't change any real functionality, but it removes an extra file. |
| 01:11.11 | Legorol | and i have to jump in and advocate the other side: |
| 01:11.33 | Legorol | if all you do with a frame is want ot have it statically created for a well-defined purpose, create it in XML |
| 01:11.46 | Legorol | creating frames from Lua is for when you don't know you will need a frame yet :) |
| 01:12.17 | Legorol | it doesn't change any real functionality, but separates structure from code nicely into separate files :) |
| 01:12.42 | AnduinLothar | yeah, nto sure why you guys hate xml so much |
| 01:13.00 | Legorol | XML is very nice.. it's descriptive. it does what it's supposed to do: describe structure |
| 01:13.04 | lagger` | takes longer to write! |
| 01:13.10 | Legorol | copy/paste ftw |
| 01:13.12 | Kirov | AnduinLothar - partially due to the fact I spend most of my day parsing giant XML files at work. |
| 01:13.16 | dylanm | XML is not really awesome to write. |
| 01:13.30 | dylanm | I definitely like to separate the widgets from the logic but ehhhh. |
| 01:13.38 | Legorol | how awesome it is to write should be irrelevant imo, it's more abstract, and a better separation of roles |
| 01:13.43 | Legorol | structure vs. process |
| 01:14.11 | Legorol | anyway, people will never agree on this ^^ |
| 01:14.35 | dylanm | Awesome to write has everything to do with it in this case, because there's an alternative. |
| 01:14.43 | Legorol | the people that tend to advocate Lua are those that are used to other programming languages, where UI creation tends to be from code (see Java) |
| 01:15.04 | Legorol | and people tend to advocate XML if they'd been around from the start of WoW modding and therefore have more familiarity/comfort with the XML side of things |
| 01:15.22 | Legorol | dylanm: what about how awesome to read? |
| 01:15.29 | Legorol | that factor seems to tend to be ignored |
| 01:15.38 | Legorol | imo readability is much improved when XML is used |
| 01:16.06 | Kirov | Legorol - XML can be formatted badly. Just because most people format their UI constuction code badly shouldn't be a nock against it. |
| 01:16.31 | Legorol | that's true, kirov |
| 01:16.32 | kergoth | what i like about the xml is that a number of things are implicit in the syntax, so it neednt be as verbose as doing it in lua |
| 01:16.35 | kergoth | but thast about it, really |
| 01:16.49 | Legorol | i guess for me, the idea of writing code (i.e. a process) to describe a structure is just... irksome |
| 01:16.58 | AnduinLothar | like parent/child relations. which is structure |
| 01:17.09 | Legorol | kergoth: that's exactly it though |
| 01:17.16 | Treila | another quick question. I'm having trouble understand string.find string.gmatch etc.... nothing I found explains in a newbie way how to set them up. Does anyone know a good place that explains these? (i tried learning from other mods, but i see things like ([^,]+) and ^%s-(%S+)(.*) which i can't find explained anywhere) |
| 01:17.18 | Legorol | the XML file is a description of the structure in the first place |
| 01:17.22 | Kirov | I'm one of those who started with WoW doing everything in XML and lua, but I really hate dealing with Lua and find I can get what I want much easier and faster when creating from Lua rather than XML. |
| 01:17.22 | Legorol | that's what it's designed for |
| 01:17.23 | Treila | understanding* |
| 01:17.31 | sylvanaar | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5784399955&postId=57836801005&sid=1#0 |
| 01:18.04 | sylvanaar | still looking for an explaination on the memory use if anyone wants to take a stab at it |
| 01:18.04 | Legorol | Treila: to understand string.find etc. you need to understand the concept of "regular expressions" |
| 01:18.07 | dylanm | Treila: Read the manual. |
| 01:18.11 | dylanm | It's not very long. |
| 01:18.20 | Legorol | the Lua manual does have a section where it defines the elements you can use in regular expressions, but |
| 01:18.27 | Legorol | it's a reference guide, so not very introductory |
| 01:18.28 | Kirov | Treila - http:\\lua.org\ |
| 01:18.33 | Legorol | i recommend PiL |
| 01:18.35 | Legorol | ~pil |
| 01:18.35 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 01:18.42 | Kirov | my slashes were wrong |
| 01:18.54 | Treila | cool cool, thank you |
| 01:19.21 | Legorol | coming back to the xml/lua thing: |
| 01:19.23 | Kirov | Treila - WoW uses Lua 5.1 btw. This mainly becomes important when dealing with tables. |
| 01:19.25 | Legorol | just for a final thought |
| 01:20.05 | Legorol | consider a hypothetical scenario, where you want to write code that can create an arbitrarily complex frame or set of frames, based on their description |
| 01:20.19 | Corrodias | and since lua consists almost entirely of table manipulation... |
| 01:20.22 | Legorol | one way you might achieve this is to define yourself a table format, fill in the tables with the info, |
| 01:20.39 | Legorol | then write lua code that takes the info in the table and uses CreateFrame, textures, anchors, etc. |
| 01:20.47 | NightHawkTheSane | ... is there any solution to chatframe1 forgetting its channel settings? >.> |
| 01:20.55 | Legorol | that'd be universal code that could handle arbitrarily complex frame descriptions |
| 01:21.00 | Legorol | now let's take it a step further: |
| 01:21.00 | kd3 | yes. look for the mod "ChatSettingsFix" on wowi |
| 01:21.06 | Legorol | this concept already exists! |
| 01:21.20 | Legorol | the structure is already defined, it's just in an XML file instead of Lua tables |
| 01:21.29 | lagger` | what if u wanted to duplicate the frame |
| 01:21.32 | Legorol | and the "parser" is WoW itself, instead of your Lua code |
| 01:21.42 | lagger` | then u can just call a function that returnst he frame |
| 01:21.50 | lagger` | instead of copy pasting a ginormous piece of code in xml |
| 01:21.57 | Legorol | lagger`: l2usetemplates |
| 01:22.15 | kergoth | and just because you define the frames in xml doesnt mean you cant use :SetScript() to set up the script code |
| 01:22.21 | kergoth | that grammar was horrible, but you get the point |
| 01:23.07 | Legorol | i apologise for the grammar, it was a bit rude |
| 01:23.51 | Legorol | ultimately, as soon as you start reaching more than just a trivial piece of frame creation code, you are reinventing the wheel |
| 01:24.27 | Legorol | actually, that's an interesting way of looking at it... |
| 01:24.54 | Legorol | the XML files are just one way of describing the structure, the specs are well-defined and that's what WoW parses |
| 01:25.30 | Legorol | and some people just don't like the specs, so they turn to a "lower level" when they do it in XML. they define their own spec for describing the structure |
| 01:25.40 | Legorol | s/do it in XML/do it in Lua/ |
| 01:25.46 | Legorol | i never thought of it that way, but that makes sense |
| 01:26.26 | Legorol | it's a classic example of programmer impatience imo: prefer to reinvent than to read/understand/learn/apply |
| 01:26.58 | kergoth | for some people it's just cosmetic |
| 01:27.02 | kergoth | xml can be seen as "ugly" |
| 01:27.06 | kergoth | it's like perl ;) |
| 01:27.10 | AnduinLothar | i dont get that... |
| 01:27.15 | AnduinLothar | xml is pretty imo |
| 01:27.20 | dylanm | Sure it is. |
| 01:27.22 | Legorol | i'm with AnduinLothar on this |
| 01:27.23 | dylanm | Indentation madness. |
| 01:27.39 | AnduinLothar | i demand indentation in my code |
| 01:27.40 | Legorol | indentation gives structure, it improves readability |
| 01:27.42 | Guillotine | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:27.55 | kergoth | yes, Guillotine |
| 01:27.56 | Legorol | if your frame creation code in Lua doesn't have structure/indentation, it's also hard to read |
| 01:28.13 | Kirov | Legorol & AnduinLothar - do you two use an XML editor, or straight text? |
| 01:28.18 | lagger` | sometimes theres so much indentation in xml u lose what level youre at |
| 01:28.20 | Legorol | editor |
| 01:28.23 | AnduinLothar | strait text usually |
| 01:28.31 | dylanm | No, I'm agreeing with you. |
| 01:28.35 | dylanm | I see that this wasn't clear. |
| 01:28.36 | AnduinLothar | w/ syntax color |
| 01:28.45 | dylanm | The fact that it makes hierarchy paramount is good. |
| 01:28.51 | Legorol | AnduinLothar: id' call that an editor :) |
| 01:28.57 | kergoth | i just use vim, and it's pretty unpleasant to me. maybe if i was better at navigation by xml blocks |
| 01:28.59 | Legorol | dylanm: ah ok |
| 01:29.03 | AnduinLothar | meh, it's an editor, but not an ide |
| 01:29.12 | Legorol | that's what i do as well |
| 01:29.18 | Legorol | i prefer scite, but whatever floats your boat |
| 01:29.20 | dylanm | I'm just saying that in general making humans write XML is something I like to avoid as much as possible. |
| 01:29.21 | AnduinLothar | vim can diaf imo, i need my gui |
| 01:29.32 | dylanm | <3 Textmate. |
| 01:29.38 | Legorol | kergoth: i don't know how powerful vim is, there are some nice editors for collapsing/expanding xml blocks |
| 01:29.40 | MentalPower | Notepad++ FTW! |
| 01:29.59 | Legorol | dylanm: interesting, why's that? |
| 01:30.02 | Kirov | TextPad ... but I don't suggest it to anyone else |
| 01:30.06 | Legorol | is that because humans tend to be bad at precise structure? |
| 01:30.14 | kergoth | vim's real extensible, not sure if i have xml syntax based folding set up yet |
| 01:30.24 | Legorol | maybe that's why i like XML, because i'm a precise kind of guy |
| 01:30.51 | Legorol | sure |
| 01:31.02 | kergoth | i think i got disgusted with xml being used in places it shouldnt be, so now when it's used in a place it should be, i'm still disgusted |
| 01:31.04 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: thanks |
| 01:31.07 | dylanm | WoW XML isn't so bad I guess. |
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| 01:31.21 | Legorol | lol Kirov |
| 01:31.21 | dylanm | Writing RDF breaks my heart. |
| 01:32.01 | dylanm | I think people like verbs, too. |
| 01:32.06 | Legorol | i think when blizz was adding all the functions to Lua to manipulate frames, all they were doing is exposing the internal functions that the XML parser is calling anyway :o) |
| 01:32.18 | Legorol | that's just a wild guess of course |
| 01:32.26 | kergoth | probably |
| 01:32.27 | dylanm | Use what you like, really. |
| 01:32.45 | Legorol | dylanm: i see your point about verbs, although i think of XML as drawing a map |
| 01:33.02 | Legorol | drawing the map is not the same as giving the instructions for getting from A to B |
| 01:33.07 | Legorol | so no need for verbs :) |
| 01:33.07 | dylanm | I agree. |
| 01:33.42 | Legorol | i think another thing that might be putting people off: |
| 01:33.45 | Legorol | reading is linear |
| 01:34.08 | Legorol | so when you are reading an XML file, most people possibly think of it as a process, something that's executed from top to bottom |
| 01:34.23 | Legorol | when it really should be thought of as something that just *is*, no start or finish |
| 01:34.36 | pastamancer | I find xml to be excessively verbose. If I can do the same thing in fewer keystrokes, that's usually what I pick. |
| 01:35.10 | kergoth | i find xml to be the opposite. you dont have to set lots of things because they're implicit. a frame being in another frame's <frames> indicates a parent/child relationship, no? |
| 01:35.14 | AnduinLothar | i prefer the readability >> saving keystrokes |
| 01:35.18 | Legorol | using one-lettered variable names also saves keystrokes |
| 01:35.21 | kergoth | Legorol: most people should be used to both declarative and imperative, though, just from having encountered configuration files |
| 01:35.49 | Legorol | kergoth: maybe |
| 01:36.01 | Legorol | thanks for the techie words though, it makes it sound cooler :) |
| 01:36.11 | kergoth | well, an ini file isn't executed line by line like a perl script, last ic hecked :) |
| 01:36.20 | Legorol | oh i totally agree |
| 01:36.34 | kergoth | though i guess it depends on what people have run into, what tools they use |
| 01:36.36 | Legorol | and with an ini file as well, there is a sense of odering: it's usually parsed top to bottom |
| 01:36.42 | kergoth | vimscript is a full scripting language |
| 01:36.46 | Legorol | but that still doesn't make it imperative |
| 01:37.10 | Legorol | i think many people have encountered Java as a language with widgets |
| 01:37.12 | kergoth | yeah, thats true. gnu make is the same way, ordering can affect things, a later variable defintiion will override a former |
| 01:37.15 | Legorol | which biases them |
| 01:37.51 | Legorol | another thing to note: |
| 01:38.03 | AnduinLothar | S3 needs a 5pc bonus.. |
| 01:38.06 | Legorol | imo using XML is the epitome of OO programming |
| 01:38.59 | Legorol | and consider how many people come from visual basic and other gui ide-s, where you put the buttons on the screen, then associate code with it |
| 01:39.18 | kergoth | i think too many people got used to inlining a bunch of code in the xml, which is pretty ugly imo. i know thats one of the things that turned me off about it |
| 01:39.27 | kergoth | that and putting -everything- in one bigass xml file |
| 01:39.41 | Legorol | true that |
| 01:39.50 | Kirov | oh god |
| 01:40.10 | Legorol | lol, the xml vs. lua debate is almost as heated as windows vs. linux |
| 01:40.14 | dylanm | Blizzard code sort of turns you off from a lot of things. |
| 01:40.16 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:40.28 | kergoth | emacs sucks! </obligatory flame> |
| 01:40.36 | Legorol | i agree! |
| 01:40.37 | Kirov | down with imacs! |
| 01:40.44 | Kirov | er, sorry, wrong vowel |
| 01:40.44 | Legorol | and i'm forced to use it, so i avoid it whenever i can |
| 01:40.44 | ScytheBlade1 | vim for life |
| 01:40.47 | pastamancer | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:40.50 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:41.15 | pastamancer | thanks for reminding me that I need to hack-up lua-mode.el more |
| 01:41.18 | Legorol | dylanm: sure blizz code is often ugly, but it's not meant for public consumption :) as such |
| 01:41.27 | Legorol | be glad we have addons in the first place! |
| 01:41.37 | Legorol | the good old days when everyone hacked ChatFrame.lua |
| 01:41.38 | dylanm | I'm not arguing. Just saying, that's where you have to look for a lot of stuff. |
| 01:41.45 | Legorol | yup |
| 01:41.55 | Legorol | well we aren't disagreeing or anything, more like philosophising |
| 01:42.03 | kergoth | they need to go back and kill off all those 'this' and 'arg1' refs and shit |
| 01:42.09 | Legorol | probing the depth of the human nature |
| 01:42.10 | kergoth | it makes me angry |
| 01:42.20 | Legorol | lot of manhours though |
| 01:42.20 | dylanm | I'm all about motivations. |
| 01:42.24 | Kirov | Blizzard code is the result of a combination of a multi-person work environment and deadlines |
| 01:42.29 | Legorol | they will eventually i'm sure |
| 01:42.31 | Tem | kergoth, |
| 01:42.51 | Legorol | a significant portion of the original XML was written by slouken alone, afaik |
| 01:42.53 | Tem | this, argN is going away |
| 01:43.00 | kergoth | good |
| 01:43.28 | lagger` | how many ppl are on the ui dev team |
| 01:43.31 | Legorol | i never like to bash Blizz code, because despite its shortcomings, it's very nice that we are allowed to read it |
| 01:43.40 | Kirov | Legorol - The UI interfaces fairly heavily with the game side of things. |
| 01:43.45 | Legorol | and for something that wasn't really designed to be read publically, it's quite nicely written |
| 01:43.59 | kergoth | some of it isnt so bad, it varies |
| 01:44.11 | Legorol | aye |
| 01:44.12 | Kirov | Legorol - just because the UI was only something slouken did, it doesn't mean multiple people weren't aware or even "working" on it. |
| 01:44.16 | Legorol | fauxscrollframes give me nightmares |
| 01:44.30 | Legorol | Kirov: true, i'm talking about the XML files |
| 01:44.42 | Legorol | well at least the original ones in 1.0 |
| 01:45.03 | Legorol | of course UI work is lot more than just the XML files |
| 01:45.05 | lagger` | o whys it called faux |
| 01:45.09 | lagger` | was it written by some guy named faux |
| 01:45.15 | Legorol | because it's not real |
| 01:45.16 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 01:45.19 | Legorol | lol |
| 01:45.24 | AnduinLothar | faux = fake |
| 01:45.24 | Kirov | I may someday write a fauxscrollframe / scrollframe hybrid to reduce the number of frames |
| 01:45.30 | lagger` | o |
| 01:45.59 | AnduinLothar | it doesn't actually occlude when it scrolls. it uses fixed elements and repopulates them to simulate scrolling |
| 01:46.42 | Kirov | Their use has been greatly reduced in recent. |
| 01:46.54 | lagger` | does the regular scrollframe actually occlude? |
| 01:47.06 | Kirov | Most people use real scroll frames, but it's still very useful for exceptionally long lists. |
| 01:47.11 | AnduinLothar | yes, it's the only ellement that actually occludes |
| 01:47.49 | Kirov | if I ever go back to ItemCatalog it'll use a fauxscroll frame that "moves" using a real scroll frame to make it pretty, but not have the giant overhead of 100000 frames |
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| 01:48.29 | AnduinLothar | faux scrolling is also very useful for things like option frames and lists that have the same type of information displaid with non-structural differences |
| 01:48.54 | AnduinLothar | Kirov, didn't iriel write a lib for that? |
| 01:49.01 | Kirov | AnduinLothar - probably |
| 01:49.50 | Legorol | random realisation: guildnames use < >. names in my irc client use < >. hence i'm seeing a lot of guilds here |
| 01:49.54 | Kirov | AnduinLothar - I usually peruse Iriel's code snippets when ever I start writing something. |
| 01:49.56 | AnduinLothar | someone should make a list of all the libs out there |
| 01:50.19 | Legorol | a library of libs? *chuckle* |
| 01:50.38 | AnduinLothar | list of libs, maybe a catalogue. get your terminology strait :P |
| 01:51.21 | AnduinLothar | maybe i'll make one. doesn't look like we're raiding tonight |
| 01:51.38 | AnduinLothar | speaking of which. any Hyjal/BT healers looking for a guild? |
| 01:52.32 | Gnarfoz | same question, here. ;) |
| 01:52.41 | AnduinLothar | alliance* |
| 01:52.45 | AnduinLothar | us* |
| 01:54.27 | Gnarfoz | (alliance, eu, german, rp-pvp, you can sometimes hear the tumbleweed rolling around shatt) |
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| 01:55.09 | NightHawkTheSane | see, if you had said horde-us, the answer would have been a tentative "no", but no its just a resounding "no" :P |
| 01:55.13 | JoshBorke | hm |
| 01:55.18 | JoshBorke | i think i just started using xfce... |
| 01:55.36 | Gnarfoz | how can you not be sure you did? :D |
| 01:55.39 | AnduinLothar | was gonna make a wiki page for the list. should it be Libraries or AddonLibraries ? |
| 01:55.42 | kd3 | xfce <3 |
| 01:55.46 | JoshBorke | all i did was restart my computer... |
| 01:55.52 | JoshBorke | adn it is not gnome |
| 01:56.10 | pastamancer | xfce is pretty nice... way better than CDE |
| 01:56.34 | JoshBorke | sure, if it didn't come out of the blue and i knew how to configure it |
| 01:57.03 | Gnarfoz | that reminds me, I wanted to try AndLinux |
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| 01:58.35 | kd3 | right-click on the desktop. unless something's horribly broken you can get to config menus from there |
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| 01:59.24 | JoshBorke | whew, mo better now |
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| 02:08.21 | jeorge | did the update make the earth minimap button vanish? |
| 02:09.08 | AnduinLothar | it moved it to a sliding bar fromt eh right of the screen |
| 02:09.16 | AnduinLothar | it should show itself when you hover over it |
| 02:09.44 | jeorge | thanks |
| 02:12.18 | MentalPower | AnduinLothar: you're not using slidebar are you? |
| 02:12.48 | AnduinLothar | i didn't write it, but yes |
| 02:12.55 | MentalPower | cool! |
| 02:13.06 | MentalPower | I had no clue you were using it |
| 02:13.35 | AnduinLothar | Yarko recently modified FeatureFrame to use it |
| 02:13.39 | AnduinLothar | to get it off th eminimap |
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| 02:15.53 | Kirov | AnduinLothar - don't forget the completely awesome, completely broken, and completely unused lzwLib |
| 02:16.39 | Kirov | (never fixed it for 5.1) |
| 02:16.41 | MentalPower | lzw? |
| 02:16.48 | MentalPower | you guys made an lzwLib? |
| 02:16.54 | AnduinLothar | yeah |
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| 02:17.01 | AnduinLothar | was meant for chat, no? |
| 02:17.15 | Duman | gah |
| 02:17.21 | Kirov | Actually, it's original purpose was for database compression |
| 02:17.33 | Kirov | ie: LootLink |
| 02:18.12 | Kirov | But yes, an alternate use would of been for sending large data via the addon channel |
| 02:18.18 | Kirov | anyways, bbiab |
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| 02:20.21 | Atriace | This confuses me. My experience says using a | in a string doesn't affect double-quotes but in order to describe SimpleHTML tags (such as src="path") you need to use quotes. Furthermore, if you place the string you wish to put into SimpleHTML:SetText() into a variable which concatenates multiple variables with strings, you'd end up with multiple double-quotes side-by-side (eg. var="text <img src="" .. pathvar .."">"). How does one do |
| 02:20.21 | Atriace | this properly? |
| 02:20.54 | Atriace | side note: I brought up using | to escape double-quotes. |
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| 02:27.09 | MentalPower | ~listkeys lart |
| 02:27.37 | MentalPower | ~factinfo cmd: lart (.*?) |
| 02:27.37 | purl | cmd: lart (.*?) -- created by [George] <~Test@m171-mp1-cvx2a.bre.ntl.com> at Sat Jun 8 19:43:25 2002 (2131 days); it has been requested 51 times, last by orsonj at Thu Oct 25 18:24:00 2007. |
| 02:27.53 | MentalPower | ~factinfo cmd: ~lart (.*?) |
| 02:27.53 | purl | cmd: ~lart (.*?) -- created by L4m3r <n=l4m3r@s122-237.resnet.ucla.edu> at Wed Jan 31 08:48:24 2007 (433 days); it has been requested 2 times, last by christel at Mon Feb 5 21:15:08 2007. |
| 02:28.12 | MentalPower | ~factinfo lart |
| 02:28.12 | purl | MentalPower: no extra info on lart |
| 02:35.29 | Shirik | how does acedb store stuff? |
| 02:35.50 | Shirik | i.e., if I wanted to remove a single addons data, how can I do that? |
| 02:35.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: carefully |
| 02:36.20 | Shirik | *cough* nevcairiel *cough* |
| 02:36.33 | Shirik | yes, what would I ever do without you ScytheBlade1 |
| 02:36.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Enjoy your life a lot more, probably |
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| 02:46.18 | ScytheBlade1 | All right, I'm looking for a generic ability/item cooldown timer mod. Suggestions anyone? |
| 02:46.57 | Corrodias | um um um. nope. :( |
| 02:47.01 | Shirik | omnicc |
| 02:47.02 | ScytheBlade1 | :/ |
| 02:47.17 | Corrodias | well yes, that integrates with action bars |
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| 02:47.30 | ScytheBlade1 | that'd be great |
| 02:47.32 | Corrodias | i imagine classtimers might have cooldown timers |
| 02:47.35 | ScytheBlade1 | If I had a single button on my screen |
| 02:48.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm, link to classtimers? |
| 02:48.33 | Corrodias | wowace, i think. haven't one handy. |
| 02:48.44 | ScytheBlade1 | fair enough, I'll poke at it |
| 02:48.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Ideally I'm looking for a complete, generic cooldown mod |
| 02:49.01 | ScytheBlade1 | I used to use coolDown, but it is... not small |
| 02:49.28 | Corrodias | omnicc will display cooldowns on the action bar, while something like classtimers would show timer bars separately (if it has anything for that) |
| 02:49.46 | dylanm | Does Hourglass work still? |
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| 02:49.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, I'm a 100% keybinder |
| 02:50.13 | ScytheBlade1 | I click nothing but encounter specific macros which are stuck on the right action bars |
| 02:50.30 | Alex|Aways | hehe me too |
| 02:51.00 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got the top two buttons on the right side bars keybound, alt+F1 and shift+F1 |
| 02:51.08 | ScytheBlade1 | So a lot of time time I don't even click them ;) |
| 02:51.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Come on wowace, load |
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| 02:56.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, ClassTimer won't work :( |
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| 02:57.14 | kergoth | a bunch of encounter specific macros? IHML might be useful for you, no? |
| 02:57.28 | ScytheBlade1 | IHML? |
| 02:57.46 | kergoth | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8441-IHML-IHaveMacroLol.html |
| 02:57.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Like the name |
| 02:57.56 | kergoth | boss or zone/subzone specific aleration of a specific macro |
| 02:57.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Now to see what it does |
| 02:58.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 02:58.11 | kergoth | you just bind that one button and you've got bombs in skettis and the head thingy in spirit fields and whatever else |
| 02:58.30 | kergoth | target the wyrms on vexallas + /startattack, whatever |
| 02:58.47 | ScytheBlade1 | "or which BigWigs boss module is enabled" |
| 02:58.50 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't run boss mods ;) |
| 02:59.11 | ScytheBlade1 | otherwise that'd be stupidly useful |
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| 02:59.35 | kergoth | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/IHML/Default_macros |
| 03:01.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Useful, no doubt |
| 03:01.07 | Atriace | wait a sec... is SimpleHTML:SetText() not quoted? |
| 03:01.09 | ScytheBlade1 | But I really want a good cooldown timer mod ;D |
| 03:01.28 | Iriel | Atriace: ? |
| 03:01.33 | kergoth | i've been using CooldownButtons myself, lately, if you dont need timer bars, just icon+time |
| 03:01.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Link? Sounds perfect |
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| 03:02.12 | Atriace | Iriel: still struggling with using double-quotes inside SimpleHTML:SetText(). (i.e., <img src="path"> |
| 03:02.21 | kergoth | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/CoolDownButtons |
| 03:02.28 | kergoth | has screenshots there |
| 03:02.33 | Iriel | Atriace: Ah, it can be rather picky |
| 03:02.59 | Atriace | Iriel: It would seem every bracket, and quote needs to be escaped by |, by using | doesn't seem to escape double-quotes in my experience. |
| 03:03.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Works for all items/abilities/classes? |
| 03:03.23 | kergoth | man, saeris sure likes to spam the wowi updated addons list |
| 03:03.46 | Atriace | Just wish someone could tell me how to use it properly. I couldn't find a useful example in the Blizzard Data. |
| 03:03.49 | Iriel | "<HTML>\r\n<BODY>\r\n<IMG src=\"Inte |
| 03:03.50 | Iriel | rface\\Pictures\\11733_ungoro_256\"/>\r\n</BODY>\r\n</HTML>\r\n" |
| 03:04.12 | Iriel | That's the body, as a lua string |
| 03:04.18 | Iriel | with an unfortunate newline in the middle, sorry |
| 03:04.33 | Atriace | dang... well... that seems like it would work. |
| 03:04.43 | Iriel | "<HTML>\r\n<BODY>\r\n<BR/>\r\n<H1 al |
| 03:04.43 | Iriel | ign=\"center\">LAMENT OF THE HIGHBORNE</H1>\r\n<BR/>\r\n<IMG src=\"Interface\\Fl |
| 03:04.43 | Iriel | avorImages\\BloodElfLogo-small\"/>\r\n</BODY>\r\n</HTML>" |
| 03:04.46 | Iriel | That's anothr one |
| 03:04.48 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 03:05.44 | Iriel | If you have Bookworm installed, look at its saved variables file for lots of blizzard examples |
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| 03:09.15 | Guillotine | Woohoo! FindThatAddOn is up and working :D Once people start using it, it should let people find whatever addon they are looking for just by answering Yes/No questions :D http://findthataddon.appspot.com/ |
| 03:09.29 | ScytheBlade1 | kergoth: that is one awesome addon, ty |
| 03:09.39 | kergoth | np |
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| 03:10.22 | kd3 | lol |
| 03:10.24 | MentalPower | Guillotine: you should mine curse/wowi for the descriptions |
| 03:10.26 | MentalPower | and owace |
| 03:10.28 | MentalPower | wowace |
| 03:10.38 | Guillotine | MP: Yah, probably will |
| 03:10.45 | Guillotine | though that relies on people typing in the name exactly right |
| 03:11.00 | kd3 | 2 clicks, "taste the naimbow" |
| 03:11.03 | MentalPower | err... not what I was thinking |
| 03:11.10 | Guillotine | kd3: Yah, people have to add stuff :P |
| 03:11.12 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:11.13 | MentalPower | I was thinking more like steal their DB |
| 03:11.16 | End | why the hell do I listen to some of my guildies |
| 03:11.24 | MentalPower | names and descs |
| 03:11.33 | End | hey, let's drink everytime we wipe (among other things...)! |
| 03:11.37 | Guillotine | kd3: I have it more extensive on my dev server, but it doesn't want to transfer over |
| 03:11.51 | Guillotine | I'll probably manually get it relatively large |
| 03:12.20 | Guillotine | MP: I guess I could mine it |
| 03:12.35 | Guillotine | And just have people input the question and chose from a list |
| 03:12.37 | WobWork | Guillotine: I'm totally expecting the "Is it bigger than a breadbox" question =P |
| 03:12.45 | Guillotine | hehe |
| 03:12.49 | Guillotine | the idea was actually based on that |
| 03:13.00 | WobWork | rofl |
| 03:13.05 | WobWork | not too many addons in the db? |
| 03:13.10 | Guillotine | 3 :P |
| 03:13.20 | Guillotine | I have around 20 on my dev db |
| 03:13.28 | WobWork | Well, it's remarkably accurate for those 3! |
| 03:13.32 | Guillotine | haha |
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| 03:13.37 | Guillotine | well, it should always be accurate |
| 03:13.46 | Guillotine | its just a basic decision tree |
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| 03:14.10 | WobWork | It's a very cool idea |
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| 03:16.43 | Atriace | haha! wow... my source editor was starting to get slow, so I did a word count to compare how many pages of text it would fill... |
| 03:17.00 | Atriace | Running at 55 pages so far (258 in linear form). |
| 03:17.53 | Guillotine | I'm tempted to remove the IncGamers part from the site, but I'd really like it to be completely site-independent |
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| 03:19.55 | ScytheBlade1 | kergoth: this is a *really* nice addon, the more I play with it |
| 03:20.06 | AlexanderYoshi | ? |
| 03:20.09 | AlexanderYoshi | Kergotth made what |
| 03:20.16 | Kirov | Mob Spells |
| 03:20.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Just linked it to me: http://www.wowace.com/wiki/CoolDownButtons |
| 03:20.25 | Kirov | ? |
| 03:20.31 | Hirsute | AnduinLothar: I'm told you helped write the new interface handling code. Can you point me in the right direction for how to pull the AuctionHouse frame out of the standard UI frame handler? |
| 03:20.50 | AlexanderYoshi | Mob Spells is awesome |
| 03:20.57 | AlexanderYoshi | I saw a screenshot last night |
| 03:21.06 | AlexanderYoshi | ooh |
| 03:21.08 | AlexanderYoshi | that's awesome |
| 03:21.09 | AnduinLothar | sec |
| 03:21.18 | ScytheBlade1 | It is even prettier in game, AlexanderYoshi |
| 03:21.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Very well done addon |
| 03:22.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Tracks abilities and items without prior configuration |
| 03:22.48 | ScytheBlade1 | So thumbs up here |
| 03:22.51 | Iriel | I think the 'visible changes' question is far too vague |
| 03:23.03 | Iriel | if my addon created a new frame which yu had to press a key to show, is that a visible change? |
| 03:25.35 | Guillotine | Iriel: you mean on my website? |
| 03:25.45 | Iriel | Yes, sorry |
| 03:25.51 | Iriel | I wandered off and the context changed 8-) |
| 03:25.56 | Guillotine | hehe |
| 03:26.26 | Guillotine | I kind of considered it as things that have a visible effect vs. things that are purely audible or change things underneath it |
| 03:26.58 | Guillotine | as long as people use it though, even if people are confused by that part, it should still get it either way |
| 03:27.17 | Guillotine | Hmm, have any suggestions for a better way to word it? |
| 03:27.24 | Shirik | batrick: ping |
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| 03:29.48 | Iriel | Maybe 'does the addon change the way things look or add new frames' |
| 03:30.05 | batrick | Shirik: pong |
| 03:30.17 | Shirik | I has an issue |
| 03:30.22 | batrick | wut |
| 03:30.50 | Guillotine | Iriel: what about "Are the effects of this AddOn visible? (As opposed to purely audible or functionality changing)"? |
| 03:31.20 | kd3 | oh, who was complaining about the green buttons on wowwiki earlier today? |
| 03:31.21 | Iriel | I think thats too subtle again |
| 03:31.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Agreed |
| 03:31.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Functinality changing can be visible |
| 03:31.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Only spelled right |
| 03:31.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Stupid i |
| 03:31.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Err, o |
| 03:32.00 | AnduinLothar | Hirsute, there's a table you cna remove the auctionframe form |
| 03:32.07 | Guillotine | "Does the addon significantly change the way things look"? |
| 03:32.08 | Shirik | actually let me do more debugging first |
| 03:32.27 | ScytheBlade1 | You may want to break down this question into multiple questions :) |
| 03:32.30 | batrick | i won't be back for a while |
| 03:32.33 | batrick | fyi |
| 03:33.11 | Hirsute | AnduinLothar: Okay. Can you tell me what the table is, or is there somewhere I should look to read up on it? (I'm *very* new to addon writing) |
| 03:33.30 | AnduinLothar | UIPanelWindows |
| 03:33.48 | Shirik | its ok batrick, I need to do a lot of testing |
| 03:33.53 | Hirsute | AnduinLothar: Great! Thanks! |
| 03:33.58 | Shirik | for some reason luaopen_filum is segfaulting |
| 03:34.11 | AnduinLothar | it's in UIParent.lua |
| 03:34.26 | AnduinLothar | but you have to do it after the auction addon is loaded |
| 03:35.30 | Hirsute | AnduinLothar: Also very good to know, thank you! |
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| 03:46.58 | End | assassin! |
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| 03:51.36 | Hirsute | AnduinLothar: Okay, I'm feeling stupid again: I just looked up that UIPanelWindows table in UIParent.lua. I can't find any mention of the AuctionHouse frame there. What am I missing? |
| 03:53.10 | AlexanderYoshi | its an LoD addon |
| 03:53.15 | AlexanderYoshi | it probabbly add itself |
| 03:53.43 | AnduinLothar | it does. you have to hook the load function |
| 03:54.08 | Iriel | Or register for ADDON_LOADED |
| 03:54.09 | AnduinLothar | or watch the addon loaded event maybe... |
| 03:54.17 | AnduinLothar | but i seem to remember trying that |
| 03:54.19 | Iriel | and wait until arg1 == "Blizzard_AuctionHouse" or whatever it's called |
| 03:54.42 | Iriel | What's the goal here, I missed the start of the conversation |
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| 03:55.34 | Hirsute | Ah: I'm trying to prevent other windows from closing the AuctionHouse window, I'm told I need to remove the AH frame from the standard UI handling. Was in over my head. |
| 03:55.37 | Hirsute | Probably still am |
| 03:56.20 | Kirov | Is this the minimize ah frame + make it dragable? |
| 03:56.30 | Kirov | + not block other frames? |
| 03:56.37 | Esine | is there an addon that does that btw? |
| 03:57.10 | Hirsute | No, just trying to keep it from being closed by other windows, preferably with them not being blocked by it. I don't care if it's moveable or minimized |
| 03:57.40 | Hirsute | Trying to add the functionality back into the Auctioneer addons, as the previous implementation was broken with 2.3 |
| 04:04.17 | Xinhuan | Hirsute, when the AH window is loaded in memory, it first needs to be closed (ie. not visible) |
| 04:04.44 | Xinhuan | then do the frame:SetAttribute("UI-layoutenabled", nil) or something |
| 04:04.50 | Xinhuan | let me find the right attribute |
| 04:05.24 | Xinhuan | :SetAttribute("UIPanelLayout-enabled", nil) |
| 04:05.26 | Xinhuan | that one |
| 04:05.46 | Hirsute | Xinhuan: Thanks! |
| 04:06.02 | Xinhuan | that tells UIPanel that this frame shouldn't use UIPanel layouts |
| 04:06.16 | Xinhuan | but remember to toggle this to nil only when the window is not visible |
| 04:06.36 | MentalPower | Xinhuan: its only read OnShow()? |
| 04:06.42 | Xinhuan | yep |
| 04:06.43 | MentalPower | err... <OnShow> |
| 04:06.45 | Xinhuan | its only read on first show |
| 04:06.48 | Xinhuan | so |
| 04:06.51 | Xinhuan | :SetAttribute("UIPanelLayout-defined", true) |
| 04:06.57 | Xinhuan | will tell onshow to skip it |
| 04:07.24 | Xinhuan | if "UIPanelLayout-defined" is not there, then it copies the data from the UIPanelWindows[] table |
| 04:07.28 | Xinhuan | and sets "UIPanelLayout-defined" |
| 04:07.57 | MentalPower | ah, gotcha |
| 04:08.01 | Xinhuan | so to tell UIpanel not to use a window, either remove the entry from UIPanelWindows[] before it first shows |
| 04:08.05 | Xinhuan | and/or |
| 04:08.16 | Xinhuan | set "UIPanelLayout-defined" true, and "UIPanelLayout-enabled" = nil |
| 04:08.56 | MentalPower | I think we can remove the entry from UIPanelWindows[] before first show, considering we always load before the AH AddOn does |
| 04:09.50 | Xinhuan | i don't think its defined there |
| 04:10.03 | Xinhuan | i think its defined in AH ui ? |
| 04:10.22 | Xinhuan | UIPanelWindows["AuctionFrame"] = { area = "doublewide", pushable = 0, width = 840 }; |
| 04:10.28 | Xinhuan | line 182, Blizzard_AuctionUI |
| 04:10.32 | MentalPower | yup, I know |
| 04:10.38 | Hirsute | Aye. |
| 04:11.58 | Xinhuan | basically, using ShowUIPanel() will cause blizzard to check if the frame is in UIPanelWindows, if it is, copy the attributes over and set "defined" to true and "enabled" to true |
| 04:12.05 | Xinhuan | should be the very first function in UIParent.lua |
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| 04:39.02 | Atriace | How does switching to WoWUIDev make it "more inclusive"? |
| 04:39.38 | NightHawkTheSane | so its not percieved to be specific to wowi.com |
| 04:39.45 | Nechckn | because... the old name was considered by some to mean that this was wowi-specific |
| 04:39.53 | Nechckn | hehe as NightHawkTheSane said =) |
| 04:40.11 | NightHawkTheSane | perceived* |
| 04:40.14 | Atriace | What... exactly... was a wowi then? |
| 04:40.25 | NightHawkTheSane | wowinterface.com |
| 04:40.29 | Atriace | ah |
| 04:41.13 | Atriace | That would explain Cairenn being an admin. |
| 04:41.34 | Cairenn | that it would |
| 04:42.03 | Cairenn | my being an op in here, however, would be due to the fact that I'm the one that set up the channel for everyone |
| 04:42.20 | Cairenn | :) |
| 04:43.16 | MentalPower | and all the ops got carried over |
| 04:43.18 | MentalPower | as-is |
| 04:46.31 | Atriace | Personal recurring quandary: Cairenn's gender? |
| 04:46.38 | Cairenn | lol |
| 04:46.41 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 04:47.45 | Atriace | I think that's been a question of mine for 10 months now. |
| 04:47.55 | Cairenn | :) |
| 04:48.04 | AnduinLothar | very much |
| 04:48.05 | Atriace | Nice painting. |
| 04:48.17 | Cairenn | 100% Grade A female |
| 04:48.34 | Cairenn | all natural, too |
| 04:48.50 | Atriace | ^_^ |
| 04:49.10 | Cairenn | well, okay, the hair might get a little help every now and then ;) |
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| 04:50.24 | Nechckn | manicured lawn good- rainforest bad! |
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| 04:59.55 | Guillotine | Don't believe Cairenn. I saw her at Blizzcon. Shes a murloc irl |
| 05:00.04 | Cairenn | lol |
| 05:00.18 | MentalPower | lol |
| 05:00.33 | Guillotine | see, she doesn't deny it |
| 05:00.50 | Atriace | I hear murlocs come in cute-n-cuddling sizes. |
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| 05:05.31 | MentalPower | we has pics! |
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| 05:22.02 | batrick | i think people forget how annoying murlocs were |
| 05:22.44 | Nechckn | all you need to do is start an Alt and it all comes rushing back |
| 05:23.17 | Nechckn | cute- pffft- says people who are spending too much time on flying mounts, me thinks! |
| 05:23.18 | Nechckn | ehhehe |
| 05:23.48 | batrick | westfall was the worst |
| 05:24.00 | Nechckn | that darn beach... oh yeah |
| 05:24.08 | batrick | i remember the picture someone made of the blind murlocs patrolling westfalls beach |
| 05:24.09 | Nechckn | when you have to kill, like 100 |
| 05:25.06 | Nechckn | Horde folks don't even know the bain that is murloc, in general |
| 05:25.22 | Nechckn | the few in STV maybe and that's all? |
| 05:25.36 | NightHawkTheSane | theres a set of obnoxious quests in sos |
| 05:25.43 | NightHawkTheSane | and in hillsbrad |
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| 05:26.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Know what is great fun? Running your box out of memory |
| 05:26.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Three times in 15 minutes |
| 05:26.23 | Nechckn | oh right.. the beach there, too- |
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| 05:26.42 | Nechckn | hillsbrad... where? |
| 05:26.48 | NightHawkTheSane | near southshore |
| 05:26.55 | NightHawkTheSane | the north side |
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| 05:27.15 | Nechckn | ah, yeah... but they're not "must kills" are there any quests where you need 'em? |
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| 05:27.39 | Nechckn | oh right.. cause the stupid snake folks are on the south side |
| 05:27.53 | NightHawkTheSane | naga. yes |
| 05:27.56 | Nechckn | they are quite stupid too.. not as cute as murlocs though |
| 05:29.35 | |Jelly| | So. I've decided that crown really helps those nights where ... you just don't want to remember anything |
| 05:29.48 | Esine | is there a way to get inspect data without having to load the UI visible to the user? |
| 05:30.03 | Esine | kinda like how there is GetInspectHonorData() but for all other things |
| 05:31.08 | Kirov | Esine - yes |
| 05:31.15 | Esine | Kirov, how? |
| 05:31.32 | Kirov | Esine - you want the items? |
| 05:31.37 | Esine | yep |
| 05:31.59 | Kirov | sec |
| 05:39.50 | Kirov | Basically you _have_ to InspectUnit() on the unit, but you close the frame, or prevent it from opening. |
| 05:40.11 | Esine | hmh |
| 05:40.44 | *** topic/#WoWUIDev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 2.4.x ToC: 20400 | WoW programming book http://tinyurl.com/2gdel9 | In order to be more inclusive, we've moved to #WoWUIDev. You don't have to change your login script, /join #wowi-lounge will still work, it'll just auto-forward you to here | Happy Birthday Dolby! |
| 05:40.47 | Esine | Kirov, I was looking through the Blizzard InspectUI source.. can't I just use NotifyInspect()? |
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| 05:42.33 | Kirov | possibly |
| 05:43.22 | MentalPower | yes you can |
| 05:44.56 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm. So... i'm monitoring the spell_aura_removed event for when earth shield fades, inside the handler for that, the onlly way to determine if the player who cast that shield is still in the party/raid is scanning all group members, right? (assuming i know the guid/name ahead of time) |
| 05:47.42 | Kirov | NightHawkTheSane - you should be able to get that from decoding the guid |
| 05:48.19 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm... any good page somewhere on how to do that? |
| 05:49.43 | MentalPower | not the guid |
| 05:49.50 | MentalPower | the flags |
| 05:50.02 | MentalPower | NightHawkTheSane: check slouken's post |
| 05:50.04 | NightHawkTheSane | ah... er.. would the flags be accurate, though? |
| 05:50.13 | Tem | ATTENTION CHANNEL VISITORS |
| 05:50.20 | Tem | 'LUA' IS WRONG |
| 05:50.26 | Tem | That is all. |
| 05:50.41 | WobWork | put it in the topic? =) |
| 05:50.44 | Kirov | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_COMBAT_LOG_EVENT |
| 05:50.53 | WobWork | also, having your announcement in all caps is confusing =P |
| 05:51.35 | MentalPower | Tem: ok... |
| 05:51.55 | Tem | it was botherng me |
| 05:52.08 | MentalPower | who said LUA? |
| 05:52.13 | MentalPower | instead of Lua? |
| 05:52.19 | Atriace | That's what I was wondering. |
| 05:54.20 | Tem | I dnu |
| 05:54.50 | NightHawkTheSane | actually... i couldnt even check the flags for earth shield, there's no sourceguid/flags on the event.. |
| 05:56.25 | MentalPower | NightHawkTheSane: register for the RRU event and store teh raid composition then |
| 05:57.04 | NightHawkTheSane | rru? |
| 05:57.27 | MentalPower | RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE |
| 05:57.33 | Antiarc | Tem: See my enlightened reply to your obvious lies! |
| 05:57.56 | Tem | Antiarc, don't test me |
| 05:59.07 | Tem | Im testing the ballmer peak |
| 05:59.11 | Tem | so far so good |
| 05:59.21 | Tem | my shecme interpreter works now |
| 05:59.44 | reqol | does it make a difference if I do if sourceName == UnitName("player") and eventType == "SWING_DAMAGE" over if sourceName == UnitName("player") then if eventType == "SWING_DAMAGE" ? I only want the block of code to run if the player is the source |
| 06:00.11 | Tem | reqol, dont bo gy names |
| 06:00.13 | Tem | uids only |
| 06:00.32 | NightHawkTheSane | "go by" |
| 06:00.35 | Tem | also, your name doest change |
| 06:00.43 | Guillotine | but it doesn't matter. And statements are short-circuit in Lua |
| 06:01.03 | NightHawkTheSane | (and in all other sane languages) |
| 06:01.14 | reqol | okay, thanks for the tip! |
| 06:01.27 | Antiarc | reqol: You should be using bitmasks, likely |
| 06:01.29 | reqol | so I should use sourceGUID instead, right? |
| 06:01.36 | Antiarc | No, no |
| 06:01.38 | Antiarc | The flags |
| 06:01.59 | Antiarc | if bit.band(COMBATLOG_FILTER_ME, srcGUID) == COMBATLOG_FILTER_ME then ... |
| 06:01.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc: why are flags better than using guid if you only care about the player? |
| 06:02.10 | Antiarc | NightHawkTheSane: It's more clever! :V |
| 06:02.15 | NightHawkTheSane | lol |
| 06:02.24 | Antiarc | But really, it's a good practice because learning to use bitmasks will make future parsing easier |
| 06:02.32 | MentalPower | Antiarc: srcGUID? |
| 06:02.36 | Antiarc | Err |
| 06:02.38 | Antiarc | srcFlags |
| 06:02.41 | MentalPower | ah, ok |
| 06:02.46 | Antiarc | if bit.band(COMBATLOG_FILTER_ME, srcFlags) == COMBATLOG_FILTER_ME then ... |
| 06:02.53 | reqol | thanks for the help, everyone : ) |
| 06:03.22 | Antiarc | Bitmasks are also potentially damned fast, though I don't know what Lua's bit library implementation is like |
| 06:03.39 | dylanm | I was given the impression that it was kinda slow. |
| 06:03.50 | NightHawkTheSane | doesnt seem like it'd be faster than srcGUID == playerGUID if thats all you care about: P |
| 06:03.51 | NightHawkTheSane | :P |
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| 06:04.00 | dylanm | But I did no testing because I'm incredibly lazy. |
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| 06:05.04 | Iriel | A direct string (guid) comparison will kick the ass of any bitmask comparison in lua |
| 06:05.51 | cogwheel | Tem: <3 |
| 06:05.53 | reqol | I'm guessing by "kick the ass" that it's a noticeable difference |
| 06:06.20 | Iriel | measurable, yes |
| 06:06.24 | Iriel | noticable depends on how often you do it |
| 06:06.37 | Antiarc | NightHawkTheSane: I know, but again, just learning to do it the right way is good :) |
| 06:06.42 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, of course :) |
| 06:06.46 | reqol | how about everytime the COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED runs? |
| 06:07.05 | reqol | still doesn't seem like it would be THAT big of a performance hit, but if it's worth doing, it's worth doing right... |
| 06:07.14 | Iriel | I wouldn't make the choice bsaed on performance in that case (given those 2 options) |
| 06:07.50 | Iriel | I may be tempted to check the GUID because the code is simpler |
| 06:08.11 | WobWork | I love my friends |
| 06:08.13 | Antiarc | It's simpler, but it's worth learning how to use the flags to do such filtering |
| 06:08.21 | Tem | just you wait, cogwheel |
| 06:08.22 | Antiarc | And reqol seemed like he was learning :) |
| 06:08.23 | WobWork | from an email sent: guess what gang |
| 06:08.25 | WobWork | crazy alison is coming to visit! |
| 06:08.26 | WobWork | this means: |
| 06:08.28 | WobWork | 1. hide your domestos |
| 06:08.29 | WobWork | 2. julie, get your kevlar jacket back from the dry cleaners |
| 06:08.40 | reqol | Antiarc: that I am. : ) |
| 06:08.47 | Tem | when I get enough of this wisky in me I'll have a good reply to that post |
| 06:08.49 | WobWork | we take friendship srsly |
| 06:10.03 | cogwheel | :) |
| 06:14.17 | dylanm | I was about to mention that all the cool scripting languages had strings that were interned/unique/immutable and so on but I don't think Ruby does it that way. |
| 06:14.57 | Tem | ruby doesn't count |
| 06:15.02 | Tem | fucking smalltack wannabe |
| 06:15.16 | Tem | YEAH, YOU HEARD ME, RUBY |
| 06:15.19 | Tem | BRING IT |
| 06:15.22 | MentalPower | ruby doesn't intern strings? |
| 06:15.40 | MentalPower | that seems odd to me |
| 06:15.42 | dylanm | I think it only does that for symbols. |
| 06:17.09 | klip | is there any way how to enable/disable addon without logout/login? (I don't think so, but it would be nice) |
| 06:17.17 | dylanm | String seems to have an #intern method that just spits out a symbol... it's all very exciting. |
| 06:17.32 | Xinhuan | klip: EnableAddon("addon name") |
| 06:17.37 | Xinhuan | klip: DisableAddon("addon name") |
| 06:17.40 | dylanm | klip: Uh if you can handle a reloadui yeah. |
| 06:17.40 | Xinhuan | then reloadui |
| 06:17.54 | Xinhuan | but it only applies that to the current character you are on, not all characters |
| 06:18.15 | Atriace | if table[key] is correct and table var is SUIL.ENGLISH.CLASS[2] (and currentLang = "ENGLISH"), then would _G["SUIL."..currentLang..".CLASS."..[2]] not be correct? |
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| 06:18.41 | klip | Xinhuan: this EnableAddon can I just write in console? |
| 06:19.04 | MentalPower | Atriace: no |
| 06:19.06 | MentalPower | no |
| 06:19.12 | MentalPower | no |
| 06:19.14 | MentalPower | no |
| 06:19.20 | Xinhuan | /script |
| 06:19.21 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 06:19.32 | klip | :) ok, thanks I'll try |
| 06:19.42 | MentalPower | SOME.LONG.TABLE ~= _G["SOME.LONG.TABLE"] |
| 06:20.00 | dylanm | SUIL[currentLang].CLASS[2] |
| 06:20.04 | MentalPower | SOME.LONG.TABLE == _G["SOME"]["LONG"]["TABLE"] |
| 06:20.20 | dylanm | Is what I would write. |
| 06:20.32 | WobWork | how utterly awkward are these example variable names =P |
| 06:22.40 | dylanm | BUR |
| 06:24.49 | Cairenn | klip: or http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6839-rMCP.html |
| 06:25.12 | Cairenn | there's a new one out, but I don't remember what it's called |
| 06:25.45 | klip | Cairenn: nice, thanks |
| 06:25.54 | Cairenn | you're welcome |
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| 06:28.03 | WobWork | ACP? |
| 06:30.09 | Cairenn | Actually, I think this is the one I was remembering: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5624-CS_AddOnOrganizer.html |
| 06:30.16 | klip | one more question, if wow is running, is there a way how to refresh list of addons? I mean, if I install new one, I still have to restart wow, right? |
| 06:30.24 | haste | yes |
| 06:31.03 | klip | sad :) ok, thanks :) |
| 06:33.29 | NightHawkTheSane | Amp is a new one too is it not? |
| 06:34.05 | Cairenn | yes, it is: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8530-Amp.html |
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| 06:39.47 | Esine | if I get a GUID of the unit currently selected can I use that GUID later to get information on the player? |
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| 06:39.57 | Iriel | no |
| 06:40.01 | Esine | does name = UnitName( UnitGUID("target") ) work |
| 06:40.02 | Esine | oh |
| 06:40.22 | ScytheBlade1 | No API functions at all accept a GUID as a valid input |
| 06:40.31 | Iriel | There's a minimal amount of information availble FROM a GUID |
| 06:40.33 | Esine | .. so there is no way to store the selected target? :( |
| 06:41.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Define 'store a selected target' |
| 06:41.18 | Iriel | Essentially no, there is not. |
| 06:41.21 | ScytheBlade1 | As in retarget them by GUID later? No |
| 06:41.25 | Iriel | At least, not in any re-targetable way |
| 06:41.27 | Iriel | this is deliberate. |
| 06:41.29 | Esine | like I could save the last selected target and even after unselecting the target I could get their name etc. later |
| 06:41.39 | Iriel | If you may need their name etc later, store it NOW |
| 06:42.50 | Esine | hm.. or maybe I could store their name and then do UnitDead( name ) later? |
| 06:43.19 | ScytheBlade1 | No |
| 06:43.23 | Esine | no? |
| 06:43.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Because UnitDead takes a unitId |
| 06:43.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Not a unit name |
| 06:43.37 | Esine | but |
| 06:43.39 | Esine | http://www.wowwiki.com/UnitId |
| 06:43.44 | Iriel | Are you tracking if they're dead in combat? |
| 06:43.44 | Esine | see under Others "name" |
| 06:43.53 | Esine | Iriel, that was just an example. I'm never going to use that function |
| 06:43.54 | Iriel | name works for Party/Raid members only |
| 06:43.58 | Esine | ahh |
| 06:44.05 | Esine | ah right I didnt notice that |
| 06:44.20 | ScytheBlade1 | "and will be invalid if the named player is not a part of your party or raid." |
| 06:44.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Bah, Iriel beat me to it |
| 06:44.35 | Guillotine | hahaha, just noticed Dolby's username |
| 06:44.40 | ScytheBlade1 | That's what I get for having the browser on another desktop :) |
| 06:44.48 | Cairenn | ? |
| 06:46.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Esine: in sum, GUIDs are great if you're working with combat log data. They are of exceptionally limited use outside of that. |
| 06:46.39 | Esine | right. I don't need to access combat log data so.. |
| 06:46.52 | MentalPower | iDolby |
| 06:47.12 | Cairenn | ah |
| 06:47.24 | MentalPower | used to be dolby-wowi or somesuch |
| 06:47.35 | iDolby | no idea what your talking about |
| 06:47.39 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 06:48.01 | Cairenn | oy, you should hear it when the two of them start arguing in the staff channel |
| 06:48.16 | iDolby | dolby-wowi is dead |
| 06:48.18 | Guillotine | two of them? Dolby-wowi and iDolby? |
| 06:48.28 | MentalPower | iDolby: BTW, you can ask freenode for dolby since it hasn't been used in 3yrs |
| 06:48.31 | Cairenn | yes |
| 06:48.57 | iDolby | hmm |
| 06:49.27 | MentalPower | ./msg nickserv info dolby-wowi |
| 06:49.33 | MentalPower | "Last Seen Address: n=iDolby@MMOI/Administrator/Dolby" |
| 06:49.41 | MentalPower | :P |
| 06:50.56 | iDolby | dolby-wowi is unplugged collecting dust in a closet |
| 06:51.23 | ScytheBlade1 | I dunno. I kinda like iDolby. |
| 06:51.35 | MentalPower | lol |
| 06:52.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Seeing him as just "dolby" would be somewhat of a shock ;) |
| 06:52.54 | Guillotine | I like iDolby |
| 06:53.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Night Iriel |
| 06:53.08 | iGuillotine | Now I'm an apple product too :D |
| 06:53.14 | iDolby | Night iRiel |
| 06:53.20 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 06:53.23 | ScytheBlade1 | iGuillotine: die, you broke my i[tab] for Iriel |
| 06:53.25 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 06:53.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Actually technically iDolby broke it first |
| 06:53.44 | iDolby | =p |
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| 07:02.03 | Cairenn | night |
| 07:05.19 | Atriace | When pattern matching, how do you search/replace \ ? |
| 07:06.16 | MentalPower | Atriace: string.gsub() |
| 07:06.24 | Atriace | I know that |
| 07:06.27 | Atriace | What I mean is |
| 07:06.33 | Atriace | ie., string.gsub(texturepath, "\", "\\") |
| 07:06.41 | Atriace | I can't do that obviously though. |
| 07:06.43 | MentalPower | \\ \\\\ |
| 07:07.17 | MentalPower | string.gsub(texturepath, "\\", "\\\\") |
| 07:08.08 | Atriace | Danka |
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| 07:12.05 | Cairenn | you're up late Malgayne |
| 07:12.17 | Malgayne | A little |
| 07:12.21 | Malgayne | I popped on to ask Clad something |
| 07:12.53 | MentalPower | he's out hiking |
| 07:13.42 | clad|office | not yet |
| 07:13.43 | clad|office | just woke up |
| 07:13.52 | Cairenn | when DO you hit the road? |
| 07:13.52 | clad|office | have to go get some more supplies then we're off to Penzance |
| 07:13.59 | clad|office | train leaves oxford at 11 |
| 07:14.06 | Cairenn | hope you have a blast! :) |
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| 07:17.08 | clad|office | thanks :P |
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| 07:19.57 | MentalPower | have fun clad |
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| 07:22.46 | MentalPower | whats the name of that addon that fixes the chat options thing? |
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| 07:23.13 | kd3 | chatSettingsFix |
| 07:23.20 | kd3 | it's linked in my sticky in the UI forum |
| 07:23.24 | MentalPower | thanks! |
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| 07:31.07 | TheZanke | WTB help making an addon then G2G |
| 07:31.10 | TheZanke | ;-) |
| 07:32.11 | Esine | better if you asked the question |
| 07:32.29 | reqol | how can you track killing blows the player dealt through COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED? |
| 07:36.16 | Zeksie | can't. it's bugged |
| 07:36.56 | reqol | is there any other way? |
| 07:37.14 | kd3 | not til 2.4.2 |
| 07:37.41 | reqol | ah, okay. thank you! : ) |
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| 07:42.04 | kd3 | ah, fun stuff. shaman forum's exploding |
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| 07:49.23 | Wraanger | heyaz |
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| 07:50.49 | reqol | hi |
| 07:51.30 | Atriace | Does the new feature of icons in chat mean there's a new API for placing textures within fontstrings? |
| 07:53.55 | MentalPower | yup |
| 07:55.05 | Duman | kd3: I see the madness... but what happened? |
| 07:55.33 | zenzio | "* Textures can now be included in FontStrings locally using a new | escape code: |T<path>:<width>[:<height>:<xOffset>:<yOffset>]|t " |
| 07:56.24 | Atriace | That's weird. I remember reading this, but I can't find it anywhere in the patch notes. |
| 07:56.38 | Atriace | Thanks, Zenzio. |
| 07:57.42 | TheZanke | What would i need to make a mod that procs when cheat death turns on and starts counting all absorbed damage and then posts it in raidwarning once cheatdeath fades |
| 08:05.05 | Atriace | TheZanke: you'd have to register for COMBAT_LOG_EVENT (or COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED) and parse the parameters for a match to Cheat Death. When the event is fired and your if statement runs, toggle a var that starts starts testing for COMBAT_LOG_EVENT damage to "player" and summing the results. Again, once COMBAT_LOG_EVENT fires saying Cheat Death faded, turn off the var, announce, and set var=nil. |
| 08:10.02 | leethal | COMBAT_LOG_EVENT = the filtered combat log that's currently being displayed? |
| 08:10.20 | Atriace | I believe so, yes. |
| 08:10.57 | Atriace | watching COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED would probably be better though, as you'll be sure to catch what you're looking for. |
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| 08:18.20 | leethal | I seem to recall a slouken-post about how you could create your own filters |
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| 08:18.44 | leethal | so that you'd only get the events you wanted in COMBAT_LOG_EVENT, without having to filter stuff in COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED |
| 08:19.02 | leethal | I've seen this CreateCombatlogFilter() function (or sommething like that), haven't seen any docs on that tho' |
| 08:20.24 | MentalPower | leethal: in general you should only use _UNFILTERED unless you're messing with the actual visual combatlog |
| 08:20.43 | MentalPower | in which case you can use the CreateCombatLogFilter() function |
| 08:21.13 | leethal | so say that I want to watch everything that happens to my raid/party - should I keep a table of GUID's and match that up with the guid argument in COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED? |
| 08:22.28 | MentalPower | correct |
| 08:22.55 | leethal | i see, thanks =D |
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| 08:33.47 | Arrowmaster | if you only want events that happen to party members then use the dstFlags |
| 08:34.06 | Arrowmaster | instead of trying to keep and up2date table of guids |
| 08:37.02 | Atriace | Can a fontstring have seperate font sizes? I was hoping for an escape sequence, but I haven't found one listed. |
| 08:37.26 | leethal | Arrowmaster: ah, that makes sense. That's flags that tells you who that stuff applied to, right? |
| 08:37.56 | Drundia | Atriace, we don't know of any |
| 08:38.00 | leethal | Arrowmaster: by the way, I also need stuff that party/raid has casted |
| 08:39.56 | Wobin | Aw man |
| 08:40.00 | Wobin | Kirov is so reasonable =P |
| 08:42.45 | MentalPower | Atriace: negative |
| 08:51.34 | MentalPower | gnight all |
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| 09:08.51 | Wraanger | is there a way to determine if minipet is summoned or not ? |
| 09:09.28 | Atriace | if UnitExists() ? |
| 09:09.40 | Cide | minipet... |
| 09:09.51 | Atriace | Yeah, I'm not familiar with minipet. |
| 09:09.51 | Cide | Wraanger: you'd need it targeted or moused over or something |
| 09:09.55 | leethal | like, a tamed crab at level 12? |
| 09:10.05 | Wraanger | nah |
| 09:10.18 | Wraanger | like those dragon whelpings, siamese cats etc ) |
| 09:10.29 | Cide | I'm guessing he means vanity pets |
| 09:10.32 | Cide | yep |
| 09:11.20 | Wraanger | umm ...mb it should be called "vanity", ok .... English is not my native tongue, so excuse me if I am wording something not quite right |
| 09:11.35 | Cide | nor is mine |
| 09:11.39 | Cide | nor is it mine |
| 09:11.51 | Cide | but that's what they're usually called anyway :P |
| 09:13.37 | Industrial | you know what I think sucks? that they remove the damn fullscreen buttons from embedded videos, and then embed videos with presentations where you are supposed to look at the big screen while someone tells you stuff |
| 09:13.46 | Wraanger | things is ..a friend of mine asked me to write her a small addon .... which purpose is to create a button which when clicked summons a random vanity pet from inventory .... and reminds to re-summon if case pet is absent |
| 09:13.52 | Industrial | wtb fullscreen on anything |
| 09:25.12 | AlexanderYoshi | Wraanger just remind her every time she zones |
| 09:25.57 | Wraanger | zoning, death ..mounting .... as I remember in all those cases those pet get un-summoned |
| 09:26.04 | Wraanger | or mb I am wrong ... |
| 09:26.17 | AlexanderYoshi | nope, you're rigth |
| 09:26.19 | AlexanderYoshi | right |
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| 09:37.31 | leethal | why aren't there any blogs and stuff about World of Warcraft addon stuff stuffs? Because the techies that writes WoW addons are usually embarrassed to tell their other geek friends that they play WoW? |
| 09:38.27 | Cide | nah |
| 09:40.38 | leethal | are there geeky wow addon author blogs around at all? |
| 09:41.04 | Cide | fuck if I know |
| 09:41.13 | Maldivia | because addons devs don't have the time to code addons and blog, so they prioritize |
| 09:41.58 | AlexanderYoshi | hear, hear! |
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| 09:42.58 | Atriace | You forgot to squeeze gaming in there, Maldivia |
| 09:47.12 | Cide | addon authors don't game |
| 09:47.40 | Maldivia | gaming... ahh, debugging :) |
| 09:47.49 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 09:47.53 | krka | most bloggers are r-tards who can't produce anything of value |
| 09:48.03 | krka | which is why they blog instead |
| 09:48.46 | krka | wow must be the only development environment where people pay per month to test their code |
| 09:49.19 | Cairenn | lol |
| 09:50.04 | leethal | I have, like, 50 ruby related blogs in my feed reader |
| 09:50.53 | nevcairiel | always when i start blogging i stop after two entrys or so because i notice how silly it is .P |
| 09:51.01 | leethal | I also hate the terms 'blog' and 'blogging' |
| 09:51.13 | leethal | what's wrong with 'articles'? |
| 09:51.27 | nevcairiel | you started with blog here |
| 09:51.38 | leethal | yeah, that's what people call them |
| 09:52.02 | krka | blog - weblog - is more of a diary than an article |
| 09:53.21 | leethal | the forums on wowi.com is nice, though |
| 09:54.10 | leethal | my point is, there's not that many resources around on mod authoring, other than wowwiki and forums. And as I'm used to having tons of places to look in the Ruby world, I find that kind of weird |
| 09:57.51 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 09:59.22 | leethal | Cairenn: start one, start one! |
| 09:59.26 | Maldivia | IRC is a god resource aswell :) |
| 09:59.31 | Maldivia | good* |
| 09:59.38 | Cairenn | I couldn't blog |
| 09:59.44 | Cairenn | I think they're ludicrous |
| 10:02.38 | Wobin | so blogging the addon making process? |
| 10:02.44 | Wobin | "Day 1: Wrote some code" |
| 10:02.49 | Wobin | "Day 2: ???" |
| 10:02.55 | Wobin | "Day 3: PROFIT!!" |
| 10:03.26 | Cairenn | lol |
| 10:08.16 | Maldivia | addon developers don't blog... they clog :) |
| 10:08.49 | leethal | ckknight wrote ace, right? And his highest char is some weird level 50 something paladin, right? |
| 10:09.12 | Maldivia | for instance, check fish.wowace.com for a lot of clogs :) |
| 10:09.31 | Cairenn | ummm, no |
| 10:10.10 | Maldivia | he's contributed to ace, but there are a lot of developers on ace |
| 10:10.17 | leethal | I so do not like the way that you need to use ace to get the wow community's only site that has svn/bugtracker etc. |
| 10:10.30 | Maldivia | you dont |
| 10:10.33 | Cairenn | you don't |
| 10:10.37 | leethal | I don't? |
| 10:10.40 | Cairenn | no |
| 10:11.07 | leethal | options: 1: there is another site. 2: you don't need to ace your addon to use wowace.com |
| 10:11.07 | Cairenn | our portals are bug & feature request trackers |
| 10:11.21 | Maldivia | the site, svn etc have a lot of build in support for ace, with the zipper for externals etc, but it's not a requirement |
| 10:11.22 | leethal | scm, though? |
| 10:11.26 | Cairenn | and there's sourceforge, google code |
| 10:11.28 | Cairenn | scm? |
| 10:11.51 | leethal | source code manager, subversion/mercurial/what not |
| 10:12.00 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 10:12.54 | leethal | having it integrated would be hawt, though |
| 10:13.08 | leethal | svn/git on wowinterface.com would be hawt |
| 10:14.09 | Cairenn | using shadowed's uploader though |
| 10:14.26 | Cairenn | you can upload from whatever svn |
| 10:14.51 | Cairenn | use the portal system for your bug tracking, release notes, etc |
| 10:16.26 | Cairenn | :) |
| 10:16.58 | leethal | I haven't even really noticed that there was a bug tracking system. Last time I 'used' wowinterface.com it looked completely different, though, guess it's a semi-new feature? |
| 10:17.11 | Cairenn | no |
| 10:17.17 | Cairenn | not even remotely new |
| 10:17.43 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3690 |
| 10:17.46 | amro | or you could do like me, and make mods that no one else cares about and that you don't need to publish |
| 10:17.52 | Cairenn | introduced back in 06 |
| 10:18.02 | Cairenn | feb 06, that is |
| 10:18.19 | leethal | oh, that's odd, didn't know |
| 10:19.05 | Cairenn | :) |
| 10:21.56 | Cairenn | ignore whose portal it is, just look at it for an example of someone really working with it: http://www.wowinterface.com/portal.php?uid=24324 |
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| 10:37.03 | Shirik | ok... |
| 10:37.10 | Shirik | I woke up before Cairenn went to sleep |
| 10:37.16 | Shirik | something is amiss here >.> |
| 10:37.30 | Shirik | but enough chit-chat, time for studying |
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| 10:40.39 | batrick | whoa |
| 10:40.53 | Ayth | Pidgin's been randomly cranky often for me lately |
| 10:41.06 | batrick | Cairenn, do u use linux? |
| 10:41.13 | Cairenn | nope |
| 10:41.19 | batrick | ah =( |
| 10:41.30 | batrick | oi shirik |
| 10:41.34 | batrick | u fix it? |
| 10:41.48 | Shirik | not exactly |
| 10:41.55 | Shirik | I cant figure out wtf is going on, lua_newstate keeps crashing |
| 10:42.11 | batrick | soundsl ike you didn't link things right |
| 10:42.26 | batrick | or better yet, VS sucks =) |
| 10:42.32 | Shirik | at this line: void *l = (*f)(ud, NULL, 0, state_size(LG)); |
| 10:42.38 | Shirik | oh yeah, VS totally injected an access violation |
| 10:42.45 | batrick | wtf is that |
| 10:42.56 | Shirik | thats from within lua_newstate |
| 10:42.59 | batrick | o |
| 10:43.04 | batrick | that would be the allocator |
| 10:43.32 | wereHamster | batrick, call function pointer 'f' with the given arguments... |
| 10:43.42 | batrick | wereHamster: I know what it does |
| 10:43.50 | batrick | I was wondering where Shirik got said code |
| 10:44.13 | Shirik | f points to a valid location |
| 10:44.22 | batrick | f should be Lua's allocator |
| 10:44.32 | Shirik | the only thing that could potentially cause a problem that I see is that ud is NULL, but that should be handlable as well |
| 10:44.36 | batrick | does it break inside Lua's allocator or when it tries to derefrence f? |
| 10:44.45 | Shirik | uh |
| 10:44.48 | Shirik | I forget, let me check |
| 10:45.40 | Shirik | and now it works, of course |
| 10:45.41 | Shirik | what the hell |
| 10:46.11 | batrick | ~failrik |
| 10:46.11 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 10:47.07 | Shirik | anyway, I have to study a little bit, test today. Will play more with this this afternoon |
| 10:47.21 | Shirik | theres something trying to delete a mutex that hasnt been initialized |
| 10:47.22 | Cairenn | good luc |
| 10:47.26 | Cairenn | +k |
| 10:47.49 | batrick | I never had the code delete a mutex that wasn't initialized. |
| 10:47.55 | batrick | VS is wrong. |
| 10:48.33 | Shirik | Given that the handle is 0xCDCDCDCD (the code for an uninitialized variable when in debug mode), Im fairly certain its correct :P |
| 10:48.38 | Shirik | However its probably something I screwed up |
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| 10:51.11 | Shirik | lol |
| 10:51.14 | Shirik | and now that line segfaults again |
| 10:51.16 | Shirik | ... |
| 10:51.46 | Shirik | its when trying to dereference f |
| 10:52.21 | Shirik | I think I have the debugger set up incorrectly, actually. Im trying to do a dynamic attach that probably isnt going well |
| 10:52.24 | Shirik | will mess more with it later |
| 10:56.09 | batrick | ok i'm going to bed |
| 10:56.10 | batrick | night |
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| 11:14.35 | leethal | so, t = {4, 5, 6}. How can you do something like if not table.includes_value(5) then table.insert(t, 5) end? |
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| 11:16.45 | leethal | uhm, nvm |
| 11:16.50 | leethal | does this make sense, though? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/85382 |
| 11:17.10 | leethal | (missing a self: on line 6) |
| 11:28.08 | Industrial | hm need some help on this |
| 11:28.09 | Industrial | http://pastey.net/85383 |
| 11:29.00 | Industrial | cant get the padding to work, or rather; how should I do it |
| 11:29.00 | Industrial | this function is supposed to align a bar of actionbuttons |
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| 11:32.57 | Industrial | I see no other option then having an x1, y1, x2, y2 :\ |
| 11:37.39 | Cairenn | okay, it's like 7:30 in the morning, I suppose I really should go sleep or something |
| 11:38.33 | Industrial | http://pastey.net/85384 |
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| 12:10.52 | Atriace | haha! http://bitsandpieces1.blogspot.com/2006/01/how-to-make-shiny-ball-out-of-mud.html |
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| 12:31.53 | Drundia | right-clicking mana berry bush having related cooking quest and it tells me "spell is not learned" |
| 12:32.46 | Drundia | even better, it puts me to spell targeting mode and targeting it to bush tells me that thing |
| 12:43.24 | Drundia | how do i best track my tradeskill cooldowns? |
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| 12:47.43 | Wraanger | question .... what will be values returned by GetTradeSkillCooldown ? wowwikki seems to have blank page on this (( |
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| 13:21.17 | ralfWORK | good morning |
| 13:23.24 | Atriace | Morning |
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| 14:11.41 | cogwheel | anyone happen to snag a url for the walrus avatar from april fools? |
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| 14:14.05 | ralfWORK | mm not I |
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| 15:33.23 | wereHamster | quake3 on ipod touch. I didn't think ipod would be fast enough for such 3d game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvci1vTXyUo&feature=bz301 |
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| 15:41.21 | ralfWORK | that's a little sick, imo |
| 15:43.58 | ralfWORK | I can see it in the near future |
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| 15:44.11 | ralfWORK | "warcraft ported to coffee machine!" |
| 15:44.14 | ralfWORK | *shudder* |
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| 15:55.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | dude my socks can play crysis at full detail |
| 15:57.02 | ralfWORK | D: |
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| 17:28.46 | ralfWORK | Tanking is like having a retarded kid brother who roams the streets in a bathrobe throwing firecrackers at people, and when they get mad you have to step in and take the beating. It's like that. |
| 17:28.59 | ralfWORK | lol |
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| 17:41.36 | inv^gbg | anyone know what pattern to use if i want to find quotes in a string? |
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| 17:51.44 | Valaron|Work | Find double or single quotes? |
| 18:00.16 | Drundia | "%\"" should do as lua string for that pattern |
| 18:00.27 | Drundia | or with plain search you just use "\"" |
| 18:00.46 | Josh_Borke | \ does not escape in lua patterns |
| 18:00.49 | Josh_Borke | % escapes in lua patters |
| 18:05.06 | Drundia | \ escapes in lua strings |
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| 18:10.09 | ckknight | inv^gbg: x:match([=["]=]) |
| 18:10.10 | ckknight | done. |
| 18:10.11 | ckknight | :-P |
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| 18:20.34 | Antiarc | inv^gbg: The simplest way is to use [[String here, also accepts unescaped backslashes like "\"]] |
| 18:20.43 | Antiarc | Rather than enclosing the string in quotes |
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| 18:24.37 | cog|work | or you can use single quotes... |
| 18:24.42 | cog|work | '"' == "\"" |
| 18:24.47 | cog|work | == [["]] |
| 18:25.03 | cog|work | == [======["]======] |
| 18:30.06 | Valaron|Work | Tie fighters. |
| 18:32.24 | Malgayne | |o| |
| 18:32.47 | Malgayne | {o} |
| 18:32.56 | Malgayne | [oo] |
| 18:32.58 | cog|work | (-o-{ |
| 18:33.02 | ckknight | pew pew |
| 18:33.04 | cog|work | s/{/)/ |
| 18:33.09 | Malgayne | :>8o8<: |
| 18:33.27 | cog|work | -i- |
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| 18:34.45 | cog|work | lua> ="who?" |
| 18:34.46 | lua_bot | cog|work: who? |
| 18:34.56 | cog|work | --> ="who" |
| 18:34.56 | batbot | cog|work: > who |
| 18:35.03 | cog|work | >>> ="who" |
| 18:35.03 | Drundia | !lua print([["\"]]) |
| 18:35.03 | batbot | Drundia: "\" |
| 18:35.08 | Cide | who the hell is WoWLuaircBot |
| 18:35.19 | Drundia | omg it really accepts unescaped backslashes.... |
| 18:35.21 | cog|work | Cide: that's what i'm wondering :P |
| 18:35.27 | MentalPower | !ap 1300 |
| 18:35.29 | Drundia | or i mixed it with something |
| 18:35.36 | MentalPower | [14:35:16]*WoWLuaircBot*MentalPower: Arena points from a rating of 1300 is, 2v2: 228, 3v3: 264, 5v5: 300 |
| 18:35.40 | Cide | Drundia: what? |
| 18:35.46 | MentalPower | its thrae's bot |
| 18:35.54 | Cide | Drundia: you fed it a perfectly legit string |
| 18:36.04 | Cide | equivalent to: "\"\\\" |
| 18:36.08 | Cide | equivalent to: "\"\\\"" rather |
| 18:36.10 | MentalPower | !vs us alleria kyro us alleria sarox |
| 18:36.21 | MentalPower | MentalPower: Kyro vs Sarox! A L70 druid and a L70 rogue square off!; 0/0/61 vs 5/15/41; Sarox wins by 559 TBRs! ***OWNED!*** |
| 18:36.37 | Drundia | i think i mixed it with something [[]] strings don't accept escape sequences as i see |
| 18:37.06 | Drundia | i think i mixed it with single-quoted php strings |
| 18:37.14 | MentalPower | Drundia: [[]] does not accept escape sequences of any kind |
| 18:37.49 | cog|work | that's the whole point of [[ ]], really... They're designed to interperet everything between the brackets literally, including newlines |
| 18:38.02 | cog|work | (except that a leading newline is ignored) |
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| 18:39.30 | Drundia | yes, when i was putting code to be compiled on the fly i used [[]], i think now i remember the reason why |
| 18:40.22 | Cide | except you want something like [==[ |
| 18:40.41 | Cide | since "]]" is valid for table indices too |
| 18:40.56 | Cide | i.e. tbl[tbl2[1]] |
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| 18:49.52 | dori | hi |
| 18:50.06 | cog|work | ha |
| 18:50.08 | dori | how are you |
| 18:50.10 | cog|work | s/a/i/ |
| 18:50.32 | cog|work | ... |
| 18:50.49 | dori | what are you doing |
| 18:51.11 | dori | cao |
| 18:51.26 | dylanm | Heh. |
| 18:52.05 | cog|work | that's usually how it goes when someone says "hi" immediately after logging it... /sigh |
| 18:52.17 | cog|work | "what are you doing?" |
| 18:52.24 | cog|work | "not cyb3ring" |
| 18:55.20 | ralfWORK | ...? |
| 19:00.06 | Drundia | "<name> hi", in 2 minutes "name quit" |
| 19:00.12 | Drundia | that looks cool |
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| 19:09.23 | pmwolff | anyone on? |
| 19:09.37 | wereHamster | yes |
| 19:09.46 | pmwolff | can you answer a few questions for me? |
| 19:09.56 | wereHamster | actually, about 130 people are 'on' in this channel |
| 19:09.59 | dylanm | Possibly. |
| 19:10.29 | wereHamster | so why don't you ask your question and one of them will hopefully answer it |
| 19:10.37 | pmwolff | ok, i tried installing cosmos and got everything working, but going through all the addons is giving me a headache, theres just one that i want |
| 19:10.48 | pmwolff | my buddy has this one where it tells him how much stuff sells for |
| 19:10.55 | pmwolff | what items certain mobs will drop |
| 19:11.11 | dylanm | Cosmos still works and all that? |
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| 19:11.40 | pmwolff | yeah i had it installed and everything, whenever i roll over a few things an error message box comes up |
| 19:11.46 | wereHamster | dylanm, AnduinLothar dismantled the officeal cosmos irc channel and sends all people over here :) |
| 19:12.00 | dylanm | THANKS AL |
| 19:12.40 | pmwolff | do you guys know which one i am looking for that i can install on its own? |
| 19:14.01 | pmwolff | ...? |
| 19:14.21 | wereHamster | try MobInfo |
| 19:14.25 | pmwolff | i did |
| 19:14.28 | pmwolff | it didnt work |
| 19:14.35 | pmwolff | but that should be the right one? |
| 19:15.00 | NightHawkAtWork | this is an amusing game.. http://www.bubblebox.com/play/puzzle/975.htm |
| 19:15.12 | wereHamster | "didn't work" doesn't tell us much.. was there an error? which error? how did you install the addon? are you sure you installed it correctly etc... |
| 19:15.36 | pmwolff | well i put it on and when i hover over the mob it still shows up normal |
| 19:15.56 | pmwolff | i used the patcher and made sure it was on in addons on char select |
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| 19:16.12 | pmwolff | does it require any other certain mods? |
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| 19:17.08 | wereHamster | did you look in the 'addons' window at the character selection screen? does it say the addon requires any additonal dependencies? |
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| 19:17.40 | Valaron|Work | I'm pretty sure that MobInfo is standalone. |
| 19:18.03 | pmwolff | on the changelog for it it lists optional dependancies |
| 19:18.06 | pmwolff | but nothing required |
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| 19:18.38 | wereHamster | NightHawkAtWork, fun game :) |
| 19:18.40 | Valaron|Work | I think the optional dependencies are just tooltip mods. |
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| 19:19.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Who posts as Psychonaut from Deathwing? Anyone here, or would he be in the ace channel? |
| 19:19.13 | NightHawkAtWork | wereHamster: yeah, quite cleverly done |
| 19:19.40 | pmwolff | what would you guys sugest i try? |
| 19:20.39 | wereHamster | pmwolff, does MobInfo show up in the 'addons' window at the character selection screen? |
| 19:20.46 | pmwolff | yes |
| 19:21.16 | wereHamster | shows up as enabled, not missing any dependencies? |
| 19:21.21 | pmwolff | yes |
| 19:22.32 | wereHamster | does MobInfo have any slash commands? |
| 19:22.39 | pmwolff | ummm |
| 19:22.42 | pmwolff | not that i know of |
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| 19:27.05 | pmwolff | i just checked wowwiki and it says the menu for mobinfo is /mi2 which works |
| 19:27.08 | pmwolff | it seems to be worknig |
| 19:27.11 | pmwolff | but its not |
| 19:27.16 | pmwolff | it doesn show any of the info |
| 19:28.24 | Valaron|Work | Check the options. |
| 19:29.20 | Valaron|Work | Are you referring to the mob's HP and stuff? |
| 19:29.21 | pmwolff | ok i might have figured it out |
| 19:29.21 | pmwolff | i think i have to build my own database of this stuff |
| 19:29.22 | Valaron|Work | Yeah |
| 19:29.22 | pmwolff | or import anothers |
| 19:29.37 | pmwolff | is there a place where i can import a major db? |
| 19:30.10 | Valaron|Work | http://wowui.worldofwar.net/?p=mod&m=2690 try that one. |
| 19:30.20 | Valaron|Work | err.. kinda outdated. |
| 19:30.43 | Valaron|Work | http://wowui.worldofwar.net/?p=mod&m=3892 |
| 19:31.17 | pmwolff | hmmm |
| 19:31.21 | pmwolff | ty valaron |
| 19:31.31 | pmwolff | ok its showing a couple low-level prices and stuff |
| 19:31.42 | pmwolff | but its not the same mod i guess as the one my buddy had |
| 19:32.25 | pmwolff | his had it so it showed what it sells for at vendor what its bought for at vendor and had graphics instead of just 12c or 2s50c |
| 19:32.33 | Valaron|Work | You're using MobInfo2, right? |
| 19:32.37 | pmwolff | yes |
| 19:32.43 | pmwolff | are there others similar? |
| 19:33.12 | Valaron|Work | It's what I use. |
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| 19:33.24 | Unregistered | pmwolff |
| 19:33.31 | Unregistered | sorry can you repost that link? |
| 19:33.34 | wereHamster | NightHawkAtWork, no concave shapes :( |
| 19:33.49 | pmwolff | sorry can you repost that linK/ |
| 19:33.50 | pmwolff | ? |
| 19:34.10 | wereHamster | http://wowui.worldofwar.net/?p=mod&m=3892 ? |
| 19:34.11 | Valaron|Work | http://wowui.worldofwar.net/?p=mod&m=3892 ? |
| 19:34.18 | Valaron|Work | wow |
| 19:34.21 | MentalPower | ~seen idolby |
| 19:34.24 | purl | idolby <n=iDolby@MMOI/Administrator/Dolby> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 12h 40m 40s ago, saying: '=p'. |
| 19:35.13 | MentalPower | anyone here work on an IT job in the midwest? |
| 19:39.00 | ralfWORK | kinda random question |
| 19:39.23 | Valaron|Work | I do IT, but I'm not in midwest. |
| 19:39.36 | ralfWORK | Atlanta here. Doubt that counts as midwest. |
| 19:39.57 | MentalPower | I'm trying to get a feel for the salaries in that area |
| 19:40.02 | ralfWORK | ohh gotcha |
| 19:41.18 | Valaron|Work | Ask for no less than 6 figures. |
| 19:41.19 | Valaron|Work | Yeah |
| 19:41.23 | ralfWORK | good plan |
| 19:41.42 | MentalPower | lol... |
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| 19:47.44 | wereHamster | NightHawkAtWork, how far did you get? to which level? |
| 19:48.23 | NightHawkAtWork | i'm working on level 6 right now. but its sort of half assed, as i am at work. :P |
| 19:49.41 | Valaron|Work | Hmm.. a 1.5Tb external drive for $250 |
| 19:49.46 | wereHamster | I'm struggeling with level 8 |
| 19:50.22 | Esamynn | Valaron|Work: O Rly? |
| 19:51.15 | Valaron|Work | http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?sku=A1199747&cs=19&c=us&l=en&dgc=CJ&cid=24471&lid=566643 with this coupon code LDZKPP3LVH049J |
| 19:51.37 | Bela|work | see now, I would seriously worry about getting a drive that big |
| 19:51.49 | Bela|work | I mean, the larger the drive, the more of an impact it tends to be if it just flat out fails |
| 19:51.58 | Bela|work | I prefer to keep data separated, and even mirrored |
| 19:52.18 | Valaron|Work | Gigabit Ethernet external drive |
| 19:52.29 | Bela|work | tahts sick |
| 19:52.53 | MentalPower | Starting Price$479.99 |
| 19:52.59 | MentalPower | oh with coupon code... |
| 19:53.20 | deltron | damn, how does that thing work? |
| 19:53.24 | deltron | like a samba share? |
| 19:53.27 | MentalPower | "We're sorry, the coupon code you have entered has previously been redeemed." |
| 19:53.29 | MentalPower | :( |
| 19:53.40 | Valaron|Work | Awwww :( |
| 19:53.46 | Esamynn | lol |
| 19:53.59 | Esamynn | bleeter: this device claims it has Raid 1 |
| 19:54.00 | Bela|work | I tend to have a lot of hard drives floating around that have been decommissions from someone's computer. I have an external drive case that I can just stick any HDD in |
| 19:54.09 | Bela|work | usb |
| 19:54.12 | Bela|work | thats all I need |
| 19:54.16 | Esamynn | so you could make it into a 750GB raid 1 storage system |
| 19:54.40 | Valaron|Work | What would I do with that much space? |
| 19:55.00 | Arrowmaster | oh shit 1.5tb for $250???? WHERE! |
| 19:55.02 | Esamynn | NEVER EVER DELETE ANYTHING! |
| 19:55.09 | Bela|work | correction: what wouldn't you do with that much space? |
| 19:55.11 | Valaron|Work | Trying to get my boss to buy me servers with that much space is fruitless, though. |
| 19:55.19 | Esamynn | lol |
| 19:55.31 | Valaron|Work | "Who needs hard drive space?" |
| 19:55.45 | Bela|work | "We are sorry, the coupon code you entered has previously been redeemed" |
| 19:55.53 | Valaron|Work | My users are complaining about their quotas :P |
| 19:55.54 | Bela|work | must be a single shot coupon |
| 19:56.24 | kd3 | that kinda space seems attractive to me... 'course, I'm not anywhere near done with the space I've got now |
| 19:56.26 | kd3 | http://wowi.pastey.net/85421 |
| 19:56.31 | Arrowmaster | diskcapacity[C:\ (15.77GB Free, 149.04GB Total), F:\ (13.65GB Free, 232.88GB Total), G:\ (7.41GB Free, 232.88GB Total), K:\ (31.43GB Free, 465.76GB Total), L:\ (6.77GB Free, 465.76GB Total), Total (75.04GB Free, 1.51TB Total)] |
| 19:56.36 | Arrowmaster | need more space |
| 19:56.46 | Bela|work | increasing storage space isn't the answer though |
| 19:56.48 | Esamynn | kd3: haha, nice |
| 19:56.52 | Bela|work | in a network environment |
| 19:56.56 | Bela|work | within reason of course |
| 19:56.59 | Esamynn | heh |
| 19:57.18 | Bela|work | if you just threw more storage at the problem, eventualy backups would be unmanagle |
| 19:57.28 | Bela|work | and while storage is cheap, backup tech is not |
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| 19:58.53 | Arrowmaster | thats why you throw raid arrays at the problem of backups |
| 19:59.09 | Bela|work | lol |
| 19:59.15 | Bela|work | I am in Florida |
| 19:59.23 | Bela|work | raid arrays aren't viable |
| 19:59.30 | Arrowmaster | pff |
| 19:59.44 | Bela|work | offsite backups now, that is |
| 20:00.10 | Arrowmaster | the bandwidth required for offsite backups isnt really viable either |
| 20:00.30 | Bela|work | at the very elast backups have to be taken offsite |
| 20:00.31 | kd3 | "wait... you want me to back up gigs of data over a 128k link?" |
| 20:00.36 | Bela|work | in case of hurricane, or flood |
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| 20:02.22 | Arrowmaster | thats why you build a steal box with nothing but a power cord and a network cable coming out of it then build a backup system inside of it complete with ups then put it in some concrete or something |
| 20:03.14 | Arrowmaster | and yes if i had the money i would go that far to backup my personal data |
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| 20:03.34 | Bela|work | hotswappable external drives .... hmmm |
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| 20:03.50 | kd3 | I'd say "overkill", but if I had the money I'd do something pretty damn similar |
| 20:03.57 | Bela|work | disk to disk is ideal |
| 20:04.13 | Arrowmaster | pff, says the guy that cant even fill up 1TB |
| 20:04.16 | Bela|work | disk to tape is le suck |
| 20:04.50 | kd3 | meh, I'm getting there... when I built this raid I capped out my ~750GB of space... it takes time to get stuff over my crappy connection |
| 20:05.18 | Arrowmaster | one of my drives hit 0% free space yesterday |
| 20:05.40 | Arrowmaster | so i had to delete 5 seasons of babylon 5, lucky i just got them on dvd |
| 20:06.07 | ScytheBlade1 | I kinda feel dirty, sitting in the wowace channel. I'm afraid that someone is going to realize that I'm the person behind IllegalAddon, and then they'll collectively castrate me. |
| 20:06.23 | kd3 | lmao |
| 20:06.46 | Gnarfoz | huh? oO |
| 20:07.06 | ScytheBlade1 | It'd be swift. Violent. Somewhat bloody. But I can see it happening. |
| 20:10.18 | Gnarfoz | I wouldn't know why oO |
| 20:10.58 | ScytheBlade1 | !g IllegalAddon |
| 20:10.59 | batbot | ScytheBlade1: WoWInterface Downloads : Data Mods : IllegalAddon <http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7355-IllegalAddon.html> |
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| 20:16.43 | Daagaak | hey, i've been trying to work out the best way of calling stuff in my addon from an actionbar button. been trying to avoid using a macro that does a /script and wondered what the best way was (if there even is another way) |
| 20:16.54 | NightHawkAtWork | wereHamster: oh god, level 8 looks nasty. |
| 20:19.14 | wereHamster | NightHawkAtWork, first right flag, then left and then down to the bottom flag :) |
| 20:19.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Internet over EVDO isn't pretty. Notably when using SSH. |
| 20:19.53 | ScytheBlade1 | But comcast is sucking even more now :( |
| 20:23.49 | Shirik | comcast has always sucked :P |
| 20:24.13 | ralfWORK | so has att |
| 20:24.18 | ralfWORK | qq moar! |
| 20:24.38 | Shirik | wheeeeeeee |
| 20:24.43 | Shirik | #1 in both healing done and overhealing |
| 20:24.44 | Shirik | I so win |
| 20:24.48 | ralfWORK | HAHAAHAHAH |
| 20:24.54 | ralfWORK | gg overheals |
| 20:25.03 | ralfWORK | OMG OVERHEALS = AGGRO |
| 20:26.14 | NightHawkAtWork | god.. "I talked to [coworker] about this and heâs going to make the change to create AccountOrder rows. Once thatâs done, weâll push it to production." Yep. straight from development into live servers. fucking love my job >< |
| 20:26.33 | ralfWORK | damn yes let's do that |
| 20:27.17 | NightHawkAtWork | This is why that feature has had non-stop bugs and mistakes since it's original "release". it was never tested, just rushed out the door. to live clients. charging actual money. |
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| 20:32.10 | Shirik | muahaha http://wowwebstats.com/gvmszvxv5cm51 |
| 20:32.17 | Shirik | thats hardcore priest healing right there |
| 20:33.37 | Shirik | Cylex confuses me though |
| 20:34.17 | NightHawkAtWork | whats that for? |
| 20:34.49 | ralfWORK | mm don't see Cylex |
| 20:34.53 | ralfWORK | oh gotcha |
| 20:34.57 | ralfWORK | you mean, wtf was he doing? |
| 20:35.01 | ralfWORK | using bandages? |
| 20:35.03 | Shirik | exactly |
| 20:35.06 | Shirik | anyway |
| 20:35.18 | Shirik | what was that site that ranks guild progression for sunwell opening? |
| 20:35.18 | Shirik | er |
| 20:35.20 | Shirik | realm progression* |
| 20:35.22 | ralfWORK | gormash or something |
| 20:35.33 | ralfWORK | http://us.gorgonnash.info/ |
| 20:35.44 | ralfWORK | (assuming you're US) |
| 20:35.48 | NightHawkAtWork | tbh, i have to ask what that shaman was doing too.. hyjal's great for shaman healers |
| 20:36.16 | ralfWORK | hmm this says our badge vendor is 100%. |
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| 20:36.51 | ralfWORK | now, that doesn't mean they are selling anything yet though does it |
| 20:37.20 | NightHawkAtWork | if you've completed the anvil, her full wares should be available to purchase? |
| 20:37.46 | ralfWORK | looking at the URL I just posted... what's Anvil part of? |
| 20:37.48 | ralfWORK | "Monument"? |
| 20:38.17 | NightHawkAtWork | I'm going to assume badge vendor? |
| 20:38.27 | ralfWORK | http://us.gorgonnash.info/realm/Elune |
| 20:38.40 | ralfWORK | omg if I can buy crap then I'm going home now! |
| 20:38.41 | ralfWORK | lol |
| 20:39.15 | deltron | my realm is only 75% finished :( |
| 20:39.24 | ralfWORK | I mean, it's saying Badge Vendor 100% |
| 20:39.36 | ralfWORK | but I don't know if that means she's selling crap |
| 20:40.18 | ralfWORK | hmm. am I missing something? |
| 20:40.30 | NightHawkAtWork | I'm thinking the "badge vendor" note does in fact to refer to anvil progress, so yes, if thats completed she should be selling things |
| 20:40.35 | ralfWORK | how is P3 23% yet... badge vendor is 100%? |
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| 20:40.57 | NightHawkAtWork | because i assume that means p3 completed, and 23% to p4 (harbor) |
| 20:41.08 | ralfWORK | mm k |
| 20:41.21 | ralfWORK | and we give a crap about Harbor why? :) |
| 20:41.27 | deltron | gems!@ |
| 20:41.34 | ralfWORK | O.o |
| 20:41.42 | ralfWORK | k, that's a decent reason |
| 20:41.43 | NightHawkAtWork | because it has an inn and a mailbox |
| 20:41.51 | ralfWORK | NightHawkAtWork: ahh! yes ok thanks! |
| 20:41.54 | NightHawkAtWork | and because its more dailies to do |
| 20:42.31 | ralfWORK | 260 badges in the bank! |
| 20:42.35 | deltron | I'm short like 75 badges and stuff for what I want |
| 20:42.38 | ralfWORK | too bad they aren't gaining me interest! |
| 20:43.16 | NightHawkAtWork | I've got almost 200 on my shaman, but all I really want is the healing mace. |
| 20:45.28 | deltron | I need to get the MH fist weapon only |
| 20:45.32 | deltron | officially |
| 20:45.35 | ralfWORK | hmm |
| 20:45.39 | ralfWORK | dps warrior I know has Fury |
| 20:45.43 | deltron | but I'll probably get the mace for my off-spec |
| 20:46.01 | ralfWORK | think he should snag that fist weap MH too? |
| 20:46.05 | ralfWORK | sorry |
| 20:46.24 | ralfWORK | think he would do well with that MH fist weap? |
| 20:46.32 | deltron | probably |
| 20:46.34 | ralfWORK | (that's what I mean) |
| 20:46.41 | deltron | it seems to be the best weapon I can get as a shaman |
| 20:46.42 | ralfWORK | think he has edge of the cosmos MH now lol |
| 20:46.45 | ralfWORK | ohh gotcha |
| 20:47.20 | deltron | until season 4 comes out at least :P |
| 20:47.28 | ralfWORK | lol |
| 20:48.35 | deltron | and I wasn't in raid when the OH dropped from sunwell loot :( |
| 20:49.02 | ralfWORK | erm. sorry. |
| 20:49.12 | ralfWORK | I assume by MH you meant Mainhand |
| 20:49.13 | Shirik | lua> t = {}; t[2^31] = 1; t[-2^31] = 2; t[2^500] = 3; for k,v in pairs(t) do print(v) end |
| 20:49.14 | lua_bot | Shirik: 1, 2, 3 |
| 20:49.15 | ralfWORK | did you meant MH? |
| 20:49.18 | ralfWORK | er |
| 20:49.20 | ralfWORK | mount hyjal |
| 20:49.24 | Shirik | lua> t = {}; t[2^31] = 1; t[-2^31] = 2; t[2^500] = 3; for k,v in pairs(t) do print(k..:..v) end |
| 20:49.24 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '' |
| 20:49.44 | Shirik | lua> t = {}; t[2^31] = 1; t[-2^31] = 2; t[2^500] = 3; for k,v in pairs(t) do print(k..[[:]]..v) end |
| 20:49.44 | lua_bot | Shirik: 2147483648:1, -2147483648:2, 3.2733906078961e+150:3 |
| 20:50.11 | deltron | ralfWORK: main hand |
| 20:50.28 | ralfWORK | from badges, right? |
| 20:50.36 | deltron | yeah |
| 20:50.37 | Kaso | Shirik your client does wierd unicode " ! |
| 20:50.41 | deltron | that's the best one |
| 20:50.43 | ralfWORK | kk, just checking :D |
| 20:50.43 | Shirik | I know :( |
| 20:50.55 | deltron | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34893 |
| 20:50.56 | Kaso | i dispise them |
| 20:51.41 | deltron | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34346 <-- OH that I need |
| 20:51.51 | ralfWORK | lol |
| 20:51.53 | ralfWORK | 103 DPS |
| 20:52.57 | ralfWORK | oh wait snap forgot he got The Decapitator |
| 20:53.15 | ralfWORK | 92 DPS weap |
| 20:53.21 | ralfWORK | so still, almost 10 DPS up |
| 20:56.46 | kergoth | is there an event for moving items between bank and inventory, other than BAG_UPDATE? |
| 20:57.52 | deltron | those are an upgrade in DPS for me, I'm using some 97DPS weaps |
| 20:58.02 | ralfWORK | wtf so the fist weapons are like some of the best in slot for rogues? |
| 20:58.07 | ralfWORK | lol@fist rogue |
| 20:59.10 | deltron | http://shadowpanther.net/weapons-pve.htm |
| 20:59.20 | ralfWORK | blah blah shadowpather omg |
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| 21:04.13 | MaienM | Right.... my wow is acting weird....SendAddonMessage("TGMT", "TAXES", "WHISPER", self.db.profile.serverName) is outputting a whisper to the servername, saying TGMTTAXES |
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| 21:04.50 | ralfWORK | hax? |
| 21:06.35 | Kirov | I don't have enough gold in-game to pay my real-life taxes. >.< |
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| 21:12.12 | *** join/#wowuidev sag_ich_nicht (i=bitch2k@85.127.108.218) |
| 21:12.22 | sag_ich_nicht | anyone here willing to fix power auras? |
| 21:13.01 | Antiarc | sag_ich_nicht: I think you just volunteered! |
| 21:13.38 | Gnarfoz | wasn't powerauras the predecessor to avion? |
| 21:13.41 | zenzelezz | hardly, sag seems to come here every third week looking for someone to fix X mod ;) |
| 21:13.52 | Gnarfoz | which itself is already old again? |
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| 21:18.01 | enum | ~= in lua is the same as != in perl right? |
| 21:18.02 | purl | enum: what are you talking about? |
| 21:18.19 | enum | sorry, wasn't sure if my message got through, irssi got all cranky |
| 21:18.26 | enum | basically ~= is NOT EQUAL |
| 21:18.45 | enum | like a ~= b would be true |
| 21:19.06 | MentalPower | enum: purl is a bot |
| 21:19.17 | MentalPower | enum: ~= is not equals |
| 21:19.20 | MentalPower | ~botsnack |
| 21:19.20 | purl | aw, gee, MentalPower |
| 21:19.20 | zenzelezz | heh, you just happened to find its trigger character (~) |
| 21:19.33 | Cairenn|afk | and ~ is what triggers him |
| 21:19.51 | Cairenn|afk | to answer your question, though |
| 21:20.06 | Cairenn|afk | yes ~= in lua is the same as != in other languages |
| 21:20.11 | enum | hahaha |
| 21:20.22 | enum | didn't realize I triggered a bit |
| 21:20.23 | enum | err bot |
| 21:20.41 | amro | that was funny |
| 21:20.45 | enum | oh, and thanks for the info :P |
| 21:20.47 | Cairenn|afk | only because you had ~ at the beginning of the sentence :) |
| 21:20.51 | NightHawkAtWork | you shouldn't have said anything, i wanted to see him have a conversation with the bot. ;) |
| 21:20.58 | Cairenn|afk | lol |
| 21:21.11 | Cairenn|afk | ~whaleslap NightHawk |
| 21:21.12 | purl | ACTION beats NightHawk upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 21:21.26 | amro | enum: also, a~=b could be true depending on their values =) |
| 21:21.34 | amro | i mean, false |
| 21:21.36 | amro | dammit |
| 21:21.39 | mikma | that wouldn't have work |
| 21:21.49 | mikma | because purl only responsses to ~stuff |
| 21:21.56 | MaienM | 1~=2 is true, that's for sure |
| 21:21.57 | enum | ok, what is I wanted to say... "a is not equal, and less than b" would it be like... a ~=< b |
| 21:22.00 | enum | probably not |
| 21:22.06 | zenzelezz | purl: is this true? |
| 21:22.17 | amro | enum: that wouold be a<b |
| 21:22.27 | zenzelezz | pity. Some bots respond to those as well |
| 21:22.28 | enum | oh, duh... |
| 21:22.33 | enum | maybe I should lay off the caffiene |
| 21:23.40 | MaienM | or maybe you should go to bed:P |
| 21:25.13 | enum | somethin... I haven't pulled one like that in a while |
| 21:26.55 | Shirik | --> t = {}; |
| 21:27.26 | MentalPower | --> _G = {} |
| 21:27.26 | batbot | MentalPower: @ [string " _G = {}"]:1: cannot modify secure global variables |
| 21:27.31 | MentalPower | :P |
| 21:27.31 | Shirik | --> t.a = 1; t.b = 2; return t.a==t.b; |
| 21:27.31 | batbot | Shirik: > true |
| 21:27.34 | Shirik | win. |
| 21:28.23 | Shirik | MaienM, are you so sure? |
| 21:28.39 | MentalPower | Shirik: huh? |
| 21:28.45 | Shirik | 2 == 1 apparently |
| 21:28.49 | MentalPower | --> return t.a |
| 21:28.49 | batbot | MentalPower: > nil |
| 21:28.51 | MentalPower | --> return t.b |
| 21:28.51 | batbot | MentalPower: > nil |
| 21:28.54 | MentalPower | :) |
| 21:28.54 | Shirik | shh |
| 21:28.55 | Shirik | stop it |
| 21:29.08 | MentalPower | I wonder why its not saving tho |
| 21:29.15 | Shirik | shh |
| 21:29.16 | Shirik | secrets |
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| 21:29.54 | MaienM | aah well..... so 1==2 after all:P |
| 21:30.00 | Shirik | yup |
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| 21:30.20 | MaienM | so those bastarts at school have been lying to me all those years:P |
| 21:30.50 | MaienM | aah well at least I own them when it comes to programming stuff:P |
| 21:30.56 | MaienM | and hacking the school pcs:P |
| 21:32.35 | MaienM | well..... talk to ya guys later |
| 21:32.42 | MaienM | goodnight guys |
| 21:33.02 | Shirik | night |
| 21:41.01 | Shirik | anyway ralfWORK, do you see the problem? |
| 21:41.09 | Shirik | like there is no reason he should be that low, right? |
| 21:43.03 | Drundia | --> _G.qwerty=1 |
| 21:43.24 | Shirik | lmao |
| 21:43.24 | Drundia | oh noes where is my batbot again? does he ignore me :( |
| 21:43.33 | Shirik | I had 100% overheal with prayer of healing last night |
| 21:43.36 | Drundia | --> print (_G.qwerty) |
| 21:43.36 | batbot | Drundia: 1 |
| 21:43.37 | Shirik | Drundia: No output = nothing said |
| 21:43.41 | Drundia | oh |
| 21:43.55 | Drundia | i think it changes environment of code you run |
| 21:44.02 | Drundia | and wipes it after |
| 21:44.07 | Shirik | No it doesnt |
| 21:44.20 | Drundia | --> _G.qwerty='test' |
| 21:44.25 | Drundia | MP had something not saved |
| 21:44.33 | Drundia | or even you |
| 21:44.38 | Shirik | me, and thats a secret |
| 21:44.49 | Shirik | It might have something to do with this |
| 21:44.52 | Shirik | --> return getmetatable(t) |
| 21:44.52 | batbot | Shirik: > Shh, its a secret! |
| 21:44.57 | Drundia | oh |
| 21:45.12 | Drundia | --> print (_G.qwerty) |
| 21:45.12 | batbot | Drundia: test |
| 21:45.23 | Drundia | --> _G.qwerty=nil |
| 21:45.57 | Drundia | --> print(type(t)) |
| 21:45.58 | batbot | Drundia: table |
| 21:46.06 | Drundia | so what's that evil metatable? |
| 21:46.09 | sag_ich_nicht | debuff tracking thing addon. |
| 21:46.10 | sag_ich_nicht | name one. |
| 21:46.40 | Lopeppeppy | EBB, SBF? |
| 21:46.55 | Shirik | secret |
| 21:46.57 | Shirik | cant tell you |
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| 21:53.06 | sag_ich_nicht | no |
| 21:53.07 | Kaso | Aaaarrrghk, screw that god-damn "Close other tabs" function on firefox, hate hate hate hate hate it |
| 21:53.13 | sag_ich_nicht | Lopeppeppy: ON the mob |
| 21:53.16 | sag_ich_nicht | important debuffs |
| 21:53.18 | sag_ich_nicht | preconfigured |
| 21:53.26 | sag_ich_nicht | (i know EBB can do mob debuff tracking) |
| 21:54.08 | Lopeppeppy | That would be a DoT tracker, sag_ich_nicht? |
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| 21:56.09 | sag_ich_nicht | Lopeppeppy: no |
| 21:56.20 | sag_ich_nicht | one that tells me when to yell at my raidmembers for letting important debuffs fall off |
| 21:56.33 | enum | anyone know if Chronos.scheduleByName supports multiple args passed to the scheduled function? For example: Chronos.scheduleByName("FUNC",.1,functionName,arg1,arg2) |
| 21:56.34 | kergoth | ohj |
| 21:56.37 | kergoth | you probably want Demon, sag_ich_nicht |
| 21:56.40 | kergoth | or pdebufflist |
| 21:56.41 | enum | seems to be not passing in my args |
| 21:57.23 | sag_ich_nicht | okay. |
| 21:57.28 | sag_ich_nicht | which one is better and works for 2.4? |
| 21:57.33 | wereHamster | NightHawkAtWork, just did the last level of magic pen :) |
| 21:57.38 | magdain | I've not used it myself, but ClassTimer can track specified target debuffs sig_ich_nicht. |
| 21:57.46 | magdain | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/ClassTimer |
| 21:57.48 | kergoth | sag_ich_nicht: they do the same thing pretty much, except demon you can add any debuff, the other has a fixed list, and demon has a fubar plugin |
| 21:58.42 | sag_ich_nicht | okay now |
| 21:58.45 | sag_ich_nicht | WILL IT WORK FOR 2.4? |
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| 22:16.38 | NightHawkAtWork | gah, how can visual studio be so stupid as to "lose" references for no reason. >, |
| 22:16.40 | NightHawkAtWork | >< |
| 22:17.37 | zenzelezz | references? In projects? |
| 22:21.10 | NightHawkAtWork | yes |
| 22:21.45 | NightHawkAtWork | project a has a reference to project b. I make changes to project b, rebuild.. project a suddenly "forgets" that project b actually exists. |
| 22:21.52 | NightHawkAtWork | its idiotic |
| 22:30.12 | Lopeppeppy | That could be, rabbit, it could be. |
| 22:30.58 | NightHawkAtWork | ooh.. super mario in 14kb of javascript. http://blog.nihilogic.dk/2008/04/super-mario-in-14kb-javascript.html |
| 22:31.11 | Esamynn | NightHawkAtWork: I'd take it as a sign that you need a vacation :P |
| 22:31.22 | NightHawkAtWork | Esamynn: yes, a permanent one. :D |
| 22:31.22 | enum | question: Kirov suggested doing a loop from 1 to 10000 to find an id for an item, this is causing a lock up, and was wondering if this is really a good idea, and if so how can I manage the resources better to keep it from locking |
| 22:31.37 | enum | imo running a loop like that would be a bad idea |
| 22:31.49 | Esamynn | NightHawkAtWork: there is this little problem of bills though... |
| 22:32.02 | NightHawkAtWork | Esamynn: indeed. >< |
| 22:32.24 | Lopeppeppy | Ugh. |
| 22:33.06 | Nechckn | Hiya Cairenn |
| 22:33.10 | Cairenn | ~whaleslap Nechckn |
| 22:33.11 | purl | ACTION beats Nechckn upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 22:33.12 | Esamynn | ~lart Nechckn |
| 22:33.12 | purl | runs at Nechckn with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut |
| 22:33.40 | Cairenn | for the record, I've been here for hours, I just forgot to change my nick again |
| 22:33.50 | Esamynn | :P |
| 22:33.57 | Esamynn | ~poke Lopeppeppy |
| 22:33.57 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Lopeppeppy, pokes Lopeppeppy repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 22:34.16 | Nechckn | Backoff Esamynn... I'm warning you....... |
| 22:34.32 | Esamynn | Nechckn: you're warning me about what? |
| 22:34.34 | Nechckn | I *will* pull out the chicken bot if I must |
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| 22:34.48 | Esamynn | Lopeppeppy: I aim to please =D |
| 22:35.03 | Nechckn | wow... Purl is quite inventive these days |
| 22:35.06 | Lopeppeppy | 4 inches to the left would be better then. |
| 22:35.06 | Esamynn | Nechckn: is that a threat? |
| 22:35.33 | Nechckn | Oh no, I never make threats |
| 22:36.14 | Nechckn | Lopeppeppy you didn't! |
| 22:36.20 | Nechckn | Oh yes, you did |
| 22:36.24 | Nechckn | =) |
| 22:36.46 | Nechckn | 4 inches- rofl |
| 22:37.09 | Esamynn | ~whaleslap Nechckn |
| 22:37.10 | purl | ACTION beats Nechckn upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 22:37.10 | Nechckn | it's been a long day, thank you |
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| 22:41.57 | Lopeppeppy | Nechckn, of course I did. Esamynn is too good a straight man not to toss those lines back. My wicked side is encouraged. *tragic sigh* |
| 22:42.31 | Esamynn | 8) |
| 22:43.06 | Nechckn | Esamynn "good"... never! |
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| 22:46.59 | Maxous | Hello |
| 22:47.20 | Maxous | Does anyone know a good Addon which displays the time till next level at the current kill rate? |
| 22:47.34 | Maxous | As well as combat stats? |
| 22:48.41 | Nechckn | there are... lemme see |
| 22:49.02 | Maxous | Thank you! |
| 22:49.19 | Lopeppeppy | I use a Fubar plugin, XPFu. |
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| 22:49.55 | Maxous | K. |
| 22:50.03 | Nechckn | that's where I was headed, actually |
| 22:50.39 | Maxous | Where is a good place to find it? |
| 22:50.40 | NightHawkAtWork | i use a notepd and a pen, furiously calculating sums and quotients to come up with the right number in real time. |
| 22:50.45 | Nechckn | brain is old... takes a while to remember which is which |
| 22:51.32 | Nechckn | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=1569.0 |
| 22:51.38 | Esamynn | ~bzfrag NightHawkAtWork |
| 22:51.39 | purl | ACTION makes NightHawkAtWork feel the effects of a shockwave |
| 22:51.50 | Esamynn | ~botsnack |
| 22:51.50 | purl | aw, gee, Esamynn |
| 22:52.08 | Cairenn | ~whalenuke Esamynn |
| 22:52.09 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Esamynn with his mind powers. |
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| 22:52.31 | Nechckn | and http://www.wowace.com/wiki/FuBar_FuXPFu |
| 22:52.58 | Nechckn | Nukes are bad, mkay... |
| 22:53.14 | Nechckn | especially whale nukes |
| 22:54.05 | Maxous | Thank you Thank you! |
| 22:54.19 | Nechckn | np happy leveling |
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| 22:54.58 | Esine | how do you get the time and date in Lua? |
| 22:55.19 | Esine | I see GetTime() and GetRealmTime() but they aren't exactly what I'm looking for |
| 22:55.27 | Esine | unixtime would be nice (seconds since 1970) |
| 22:55.37 | Esamynn | you mean in wow Lua |
| 22:55.42 | Esine | right |
| 22:56.35 | Esine | ah! time() |
| 22:56.37 | Esine | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_time |
| 22:56.38 | Esamynn | see http://www.wowwiki.com/Lua_functions |
| 22:56.42 | Esine | that's exactly what I need |
| 22:56.54 | Esamynn | there is also http://www.wowwiki.com/API_date |
| 23:00.07 | Fix[EJ] | So I've started playing around with Sage unitframes, tweaked a few of the settings...anyone have any experience with editing the health / mana bar colors, though? Seems a bit daunting |
| 23:00.34 | Tuller | that's because they're currently not meant to be edited :P |
| 23:01.31 | Fix[EJ] | Doh, nothing like getting told by the author themself |
| 23:01.44 | Fix[EJ] | Although, what kind of aspiring coder would I be if I didn't try, atleast |
| 23:01.48 | Tuller | the only way to do it right now is to hack the lua files :P |
| 23:02.11 | Tuller | what have you tweaked, out of curiosity? |
| 23:02.23 | Esine | btw, is there any reason Blizzard don't ship the GUI code with WoW but you have to download it yourself? |
| 23:02.36 | Esine | is there an obvious reason? |
| 23:03.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Esine: it IS shipped with WoW |
| 23:03.09 | Fix[EJ] | Just a few very basic things, icon placements/text locations |
| 23:03.09 | Tuller | only us technical people would look at it, its in the mpqs |
| 23:03.10 | Esine | .. it is? |
| 23:03.14 | Esine | ah right |
| 23:03.33 | Esine | I wonder why not just place the stuff in Interface/Addons/ |
| 23:03.35 | Fix[EJ] | Still can't figure out how to register a new font or texture, but I did the backwoods thing and just renamed one of the default textures heh |
| 23:03.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Then it could be modified |
| 23:03.43 | ScytheBlade1 | And that would be bad |
| 23:03.51 | Esine | ScytheBlade1, but can't it be modified right now? |
| 23:03.56 | Tuller | Fix[EJ]: you'd have to look at shared media for that |
| 23:04.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Esine: no, not like it could be in that case |
| 23:04.09 | Esine | oh |
| 23:04.24 | Fix[EJ] | Oh, Sage can use SM? |
| 23:04.36 | Tuller | Fix[EJ]: its aware of either 1.0 or 2.0 :P |
| 23:04.40 | Tuller | I realy do need to update sage :P |
| 23:05.02 | Fix[EJ] | They're exactly what I was looking for |
| 23:05.32 | Fix[EJ] | I'm tired off Pitbull lagging like crazy :\ |
| 23:05.33 | Tuller | 1.0 |
| 23:05.36 | Fix[EJ] | of, even |
| 23:06.40 | batrick | --> debug.getinfo(debug.getmetatable(t).func) |
| 23:06.40 | batbot | batrick: @ [string "return debug.getinfo(debug.getmetatable(t)..."]:1: bad argument #1 to 'getinfo' (function or level expected) |
| 23:06.50 | batrick | --> debug.getinfo(debug.getmetatable(t).__index) |
| 23:06.50 | batbot | batrick: @ [string "return debug.getinfo(debug.getmetatable(t)..."]:1: bad argument #1 to 'getinfo' (function or level expected) |
| 23:07.09 | batrick | what has shirik done |
| 23:07.14 | batrick | --> t, debug.getmetatable(t) |
| 23:07.15 | batbot | batrick: > table: 0x8080ab0, table: 0x81cfae0 |
| 23:07.18 | batrick | --> t, debug.getmetatable(t).__index |
| 23:07.19 | batbot | batrick: > table: 0x8080ab0, nil |
| 23:07.35 | batrick | --> for k in pairs(debug.getmetatable(t).__index) do print(k) end |
| 23:07.35 | batbot | batrick: @ [string " for k in pairs(debug.getmetatable(t).__ind..."]:1: bad argument #1 to 'pairs' (table expected, got nil) |
| 23:07.42 | batrick | =( |
| 23:08.13 | batrick | --> t, debug.getmetatable(t).__newindex |
| 23:08.14 | batbot | batrick: > table: 0x8080ab0, function: 0x81c6820 |
| 23:08.32 | batrick | --> debug.getinfo(debug.getmetatable(t).__newindex).func |
| 23:08.32 | batbot | batrick: > function: 0x81c6820 |
| 23:08.35 | batrick | oops |
| 23:09.18 | batrick | --> debug.getinfo(debug.getmetatable(t).__newindex).short_src |
| 23:09.18 | batbot | batrick: > [string "return setmetatable(t, {__newindex = funct..."] |
| 23:09.37 | batrick | so close |
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| 23:10.14 | batrick | --> string.dump(debug.getinfo(debug.getmetatable(t).__newindex)) |
| 23:10.14 | batbot | batrick: @ [string "return string.dump(debug.getinfo(debug.get..."]:1: bad argument #1 to 'dump' (function expected, got table) |
| 23:10.20 | batrick | --> string.dump(debug.getinfo(debug.getmetatable(t).__newindex).func) |
| 23:10.20 | batbot | b08000return setmetatable(t, {__newindex = function() end});0 |
| 23:10.20 | batbot | 000000 |
| 23:10.20 | batbot | 000 |
| 23:10.25 | batrick | hah! |
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| 23:13.36 | Fix[EJ] | Tuller: Any suggestions for a lightweight unitframe mod, then? Until I can figure out how to change the colors in yours, at least :P |
| 23:14.10 | Tuller | uhh, I never really look elsewhere :P |
| 23:14.59 | Fix[EJ] | haha, fair enough |
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| 23:18.05 | batrick | yes |
| 23:18.07 | AnduinLothar | wereHamster: did you ever get that issue solved that guy was having with MI2? |
| 23:18.14 | batrick | oi Shirik |
| 23:18.58 | Xinhuan | whats up with your bot batrick :) |
| 23:20.35 | batrick | what do you mean |
| 23:21.00 | Xinhuan | is something wrong with it? |
| 23:21.12 | batrick | no |
| 23:21.19 | batrick | I was trying to figure out what shirik did |
| 23:21.25 | batrick | he was confusing someone with |
| 23:21.31 | batrick | --> t.a = 1 t.b = 2 |
| 23:21.35 | batrick | --> return t.a == t.b |
| 23:21.35 | batbot | batrick: > true |
| 23:21.56 | batrick | as you can see he made a __newindex metamethod |
| 23:21.57 | Xinhuan | {__newindex = function() end} that would do it hah |
| 23:23.06 | Xinhuan | how does one "reset" your bot to a clean state? |
| 23:23.17 | batrick | newenv() |
| 23:23.22 | batrick | --> newenv |
| 23:23.22 | batbot | batrick: > function: 0x81f7888 |
| 23:23.34 | Lopeppeppy | Patriarch is getting pissy again, whee! Who's up next to try to teach him coding and manners? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5834993441&sid=1 |
| 23:24.55 | Esamynn | Lopeppeppy: WTF is he trying to do????? |
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| 23:26.37 | Xinhuan | i'm confused |
| 23:26.43 | Xinhuan | as to what he's trying to do |
| 23:27.11 | Xinhuan | why would you /tar something, then cleartarget, then /assist yourself |
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| 23:34.42 | enum | anyone have a clever way to manage CPU time when running a loop such as for x=1,100000,1,do |
| 23:36.36 | Xinhuan | run it in stages |
| 23:37.05 | enum | I tried using Chronos to schedule it, but that was a no go |
| 23:37.05 | Xinhuan | split the loop into X parts, and do each part a little at a time on each OnUpdate frame |
| 23:37.45 | Xinhuan | what are u trying to do? |
| 23:38.14 | amro | count to 100000 |
| 23:38.26 | enum | Getting spell id's for spells not in my spellbook. If I visit a trainer, I step through each index, and if I don't know the spell, I search for the spell if |
| 23:38.29 | enum | err id |
| 23:38.35 | enum | it was suggested by Kirov to use the loop |
| 23:39.15 | Xinhuan | what is the issue then? |
| 23:39.27 | enum | heh, it locks up my box |
| 23:39.35 | enum | and i've for a nice dual core, and 4gb DDR2 |
| 23:39.36 | NightHawkAtWork | set up an onupdate method that runs every ~10s and iterates through ~1k each time.. seems.. easy enough |
| 23:39.42 | Xinhuan | ^ |
| 23:39.48 | Xinhuan | pretty much what i said |
| 23:39.53 | NightHawkAtWork | pretty much |
| 23:40.39 | enum | I'm not sure which onupdate I would hook into, since the trainer window is something that only updates if you learn a new spell |
| 23:40.43 | enum | if I'm thinking right |
| 23:40.50 | Xinhuan | your own frame |
| 23:40.56 | Xinhuan | make a new one |
| 23:41.04 | enum | ah |
| 23:41.22 | Xinhuan | set an onupdate that runs, and you can iterate say 100 ids every onupdate frame |
| 23:41.28 | Lopeppeppy | Esamynn, I have no IDEA anymore what that guy tries to do with macros, other than craft the perfect One Push I Win macro.... *facepalm* |
| 23:41.44 | Esamynn | haha |
| 23:41.44 | Xinhuan | that way you won't lock up your wow, but it will still cause fps drop until it cimpletes |
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| 23:41.50 | enum | be nice if I could just: GetTrainerServiceItemLink |
| 23:42.15 | Xinhuan | err isn't there one? |
| 23:42.18 | Esamynn | Lopeppeppy: it was people like him that drove me out of the wow ui forums :( |
| 23:42.23 | Xinhuan | the tooltip for the spell |
| 23:42.29 | Esamynn | they just got too..... dumb :( |
| 23:42.32 | Xinhuan | is when you hover over your mouse |
| 23:42.35 | Xinhuan | on the icon |
| 23:42.39 | Xinhuan | in the description |
| 23:42.47 | Xinhuan | go look at the code for that |
| 23:42.48 | enum | Xinhuan: far as I can tell it's only working for tradeskill trainers |
| 23:43.08 | Xinhuan | it should work for class trainers as well |
| 23:43.16 | enum | I get nil |
| 23:43.30 | Xinhuan | its prob a different function |
| 23:43.44 | enum | I run through the index, and call GetTrainerServiceItemLink(index) |
| 23:45.01 | Xinhuan | GameTooltip:SetTrainerService(ClassTrainerFrame.selectedService); |
| 23:45.33 | amro | Portal:Microsoft is a related portal on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Free_software |
| 23:45.42 | enum | won't that only allow access to the text though? Not the actual ID in the link? |
| 23:45.48 | enum | lemme try |
| 23:46.02 | Xinhuan | GetTrainerServiceItemLink(ClassTrainerFrame.selectedService) gives nil? |
| 23:46.07 | Xinhuan | is your index valid? |
| 23:48.04 | enum | Xinhuan: yep, nil |
| 23:48.11 | Xinhuan | set the tooltip |
| 23:48.15 | Xinhuan | then use GameTooltip:GetSpell() ? |
| 23:48.22 | enum | k, trying |
| 23:48.47 | Xinhuan | GameTooltip:SetOwner(this, "ANCHOR_RIGHT"); |
| 23:48.48 | Xinhuan | GameTooltip:SetTrainerService(ClassTrainerFrame.selectedService); |
| 23:48.49 | Xinhuan | then |
| 23:48.52 | Xinhuan | GameTooltip:GetSpell() |
| 23:49.14 | Xinhuan | if that works you can just create your own internal gametooltip object |
| 23:50.16 | Xinhuan | i suspect that only returns name and rank though, not the id |
| 23:50.43 | Xinhuan | your best bet is to wowhead the ids and hardcode it in |
| 23:51.40 | enum | ok, so by setting the tooltip, and doing a ChatFrame1:AddMessage(GameTooltip:GetSpell()); I get the name of the spell |
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| 23:52.05 | enum | Xinhuan: the goal here is to collect the id's. So getting the from an external source would defeat the purpose |
| 23:52.17 | Xinhuan | GetSpell() may return more than 1 value |
| 23:53.29 | Xinhuan | why do you want to collect the id of a spell you haven't learnt btw? |
| 23:54.35 | enum | I'm creating an table of what you can train and where |
| 23:54.39 | enum | and from whom |
| 23:55.21 | enum | it's for a project I was contracted for |
| 23:55.40 | Xinhuan | sounds interesting |
| 23:56.05 | Xinhuan | how does the 1-100000 loop help btw? |
| 23:56.30 | Xinhuan | how do you know a spellid is the id you are looking for? |
| 23:57.52 | enum | well, basically you brute force the id... I have the spell name, so in the loop I was calling GetSpellInfo(x) matching the returned name and rank and capturing the id if they match |
| 23:58.08 | enum | but it is horribly slow, locks my machine for minutes at a time |
| 23:58.10 | Xinhuan | have you kept in mind that many mob spells have the same name/rank? |
| 23:58.19 | Xinhuan | but totally different IDs and effects |
| 23:58.29 | enum | another reason why it won't work for me |
| 23:58.37 | Xinhuan | for example, Curse of Elements from a mob |
| 23:58.44 | Xinhuan | may reduce resistance by 150 |
| 23:59.09 | enum | heh, figures... GameTooltip:GetSpell doesn't seem to be in wowwiki |
| 23:59.14 | Yssaril | enum, if your gonna brute force it use this http://up.norganna.org/show.php/S5hxIL/spellids.lua table to do it its all spellids that are currently in wow |
| 23:59.56 | Xinhuan | that's just a pruned list of existing IDs though, and will require constant updating |
