| 01:45.38 | *** join/#wowuidev purl (i=ibot@pdpc/supporter/active/TimRiker/bot/apt) |
| 01:45.38 | *** topic/#WoWUIDev is http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 2.4.x ToC: 20400 | WoW programming book http://tinyurl.com/2gdel9 | Due to complaints about the channel name being site-specific, we've moved to #WoWUIDev |
| 01:45.42 | Cairenn | ah ha! |
| 01:45.45 | JoshBorke | victory! |
| 01:45.48 | Cairenn | purl, hi! |
| 01:45.49 | purl | hi |
| 01:45.57 | JoshBorke | purl, join #wowi-lounge |
| 01:45.57 | Nechckn | Cairenn you are the WOman! |
| 01:46.02 | Drundia | haha it worked! |
| 01:46.08 | Nechckn | oh.. nevermind..nice |
| 01:46.11 | JoshBorke | (9:45:59 PM) purl: warn: I'm already on #wowi-lounge, joining anyway... |
| 01:46.47 | JoshBorke | purl, hug Cairenn |
| 01:46.48 | purl | ACTION jumps into Cairenn's lap and huggles and *hugs* Cairenn |
| 01:46.54 | Cairenn | :) |
| 01:46.57 | Nechckn | ewwww.... |
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| 01:47.22 | JoshBorke | purl, behave yourself |
| 01:47.23 | Drundia | couldn't we basically just ask him to join wowuidev in the first place? |
| 01:47.28 | JoshBorke | no |
| 01:47.34 | Cairenn | I have to talk to his owner, as I said |
| 01:47.38 | Cairenn | who isn't on atm |
| 01:48.12 | JoshBorke | Drundia: i tried :-D |
| 01:48.23 | JoshBorke | (9:45:30 PM) purl: I am not allowed to join #wowuidev. |
| 01:48.38 | Drundia | oh |
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| 01:48.46 | Cairenn | hi :p |
| 01:49.22 | Drundia | so what about lua_bot? |
| 01:49.25 | JoshBorke | sometimes i hate having joins turned off |
| 01:49.30 | JoshBorke | kick the bot? |
| 01:50.26 | Cairenn | hasn't worked yet :p |
| 01:51.19 | |Jelly| | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:51.23 | Guillotine | aww, didn't work :( I told purl to join wowi-lounge |
| 01:51.43 | JoshBorke | Guillotine: purl is here alread? |
| 01:51.54 | Guillotine | o rly o.O |
| 01:51.54 | Cairenn | ~lart Guillotine |
| 01:51.54 | purl | duct-tapes Guillotine to the floor and drools on him |
| 01:52.07 | Guillotine | that would explain it |
| 01:52.37 | Kirkburn | Cairenn, meanie |
| 01:52.43 | Cairenn | yep :p |
| 01:52.44 | Drundia | agree |
| 01:52.50 | kergoth | goddamnit, my combat log is missing again |
| 01:52.55 | kergoth | seems to only happen with prat enabled :| |
| 01:53.00 | *** join/#wowuidev ScytheBlade1 (n=Death@about/pxe/ScytheBlade1) |
| 01:53.04 | JoshBorke | that's what you get for using prat |
| 01:53.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Do I know you people? |
| 01:53.13 | JoshBorke | don't think so, no |
| 01:53.14 | Kirkburn | No. |
| 01:53.14 | Drundia | no |
| 01:53.17 | JoshBorke | are you from atlanta? |
| 01:53.18 | Cairenn | :p |
| 01:53.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, my mistake. |
| 01:53.23 | *** part/#wowuidev ScytheBlade1 (n=Death@about/pxe/ScytheBlade1) |
| 01:53.27 | Drundia | haha |
| 01:53.34 | *** join/#wowuidev ScytheBlade1 (n=Death@about/pxe/ScytheBlade1) |
| 01:53.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Bah, gonna have to fix my channel order |
| 01:54.00 | kergoth | hrmph, i like some of prat's features, but maybe its time to switch to something else |
| 01:54.22 | Guillotine | use TasteTheNaimbow |
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| 01:55.49 | Tain | It's a crazy, crazy world. |
| 01:55.51 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 01:55.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Now that it has the right number, now to fix the autojoin |
| 01:56.01 | ScytheBlade1 | This just might take irssi docs |
| 01:56.52 | Guillotine | oh shit. I don't think I'm going to be able to do those dailys... someone is having fun with Kazzak |
| 01:57.12 | Drundia | gather up everyone doing dailies and kill him |
| 01:57.59 | Guillotine | Eh, I'll probably just wait for my guild. I doubt my server can do it with a pug |
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| 01:58.50 | Cairenn | there's batrick :) |
| 01:59.14 | batrick | =( |
| 01:59.51 | Cairenn | *hug* |
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| 02:00.03 | JoshBorke | ~lart batrick |
| 02:00.03 | purl | takes out a cattle prod and gives batrick a good jolt |
| 02:00.17 | Cairenn | you guys don't have to change your login scripts or anything, #wow-lounge still works, it just auto-forwards you to here |
| 02:00.21 | batrick | ah batbot broken i guess |
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| 02:00.36 | Cairenn | sorry |
| 02:00.45 | Tain | I'm afraid of the new and unknown. |
| 02:00.51 | Guillotine | if you have a bot you'll have to change it |
| 02:01.08 | Guillotine | b/c sending stuff to #wowi-lounge won't work |
| 02:01.09 | Gngsk | personally, I prefer the dash to the upper case lower case amalgamation that is #WoWUIDev |
| 02:01.10 | Guillotine | just joining |
| 02:01.27 | Cairenn | can use all lowercase, won't matter |
| 02:01.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Gngsk: I always joined #WoWI-Lounge anyways |
| 02:01.32 | Gngsk | I know :P |
| 02:01.33 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 02:01.51 | Tain | So... I'm moving to Texas. |
| 02:01.54 | kergoth | hmm, might need a couple more addons to replace prat's ufnctionality entirely.. still need font changing and more font size choices |
| 02:02.09 | kergoth | and some sort of alt display info out of the guild note |
| 02:02.16 | *** join/#wowuidev batbot (n=batbot@c-68-35-67-18.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) |
| 02:02.20 | batrick | --> 1 |
| 02:02.22 | batbot | batrick: > 1 |
| 02:02.27 | Cairenn | thanks batrick |
| 02:02.41 | batrick | ur welcome ;) |
| 02:02.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Whatever, we have purl |
| 02:02.59 | ScytheBlade1 | ~botsnack |
| 02:02.59 | purl | ScytheBlade1: aw, gee |
| 02:03.30 | Drundia | kergoth, use /script FCF_SetChatWindowFontSize(chatframe, size) |
| 02:03.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Though now I'm curious. |
| 02:03.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Who will be the first person kicked from here due to trolling. |
| 02:03.50 | Cairenn | ? |
| 02:03.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Like a record or something |
| 02:04.07 | ScytheBlade1 | "Haha, first person who got kicked!" |
| 02:04.31 | JoshBorke | meh, i'll get clad to kick me tomorrow |
| 02:04.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Points for effort. |
| 02:04.36 | JoshBorke | he's always up for that :_D |
| 02:04.39 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 02:05.05 | JoshBorke | Cairenn: you should tell kaelten how to do what you did for wowi-lounge |
| 02:05.13 | JoshBorke | he's got a channel that wolud be good for it |
| 02:05.19 | Drundia | so batbot reacts for --> code? |
| 02:05.23 | Cairenn | I'm aware of that |
| 02:06.30 | Cairenn | I will leave that decision up to them, it's not my business |
| 02:07.12 | JoshBorke | of course, just don't know if he knows how is all :-) |
| 02:07.21 | ScytheBlade1 | 22:07 -!- Irssi: Channel #WoWUIDev saved |
| 02:07.26 | ScytheBlade1 | That was totally not worth the effort |
| 02:08.40 | batrick | Drundia: yes, or !lua |
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| 02:12.43 | *** join/#wowuidev Dotted (i=Dotted@bureaucrat.wowwiki.dk) |
| 02:12.43 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Dotted] by ChanServ |
| 02:12.43 | *** join/#wowuidev art3mis (i=art3mis@WoWUIDev/WoWI/HKUI/art3mis) |
| 02:12.52 | art3mis | fucking whiners |
| 02:13.01 | Lopeppeppy | yup |
| 02:13.05 | Cairenn | easy, doesn't matter |
| 02:13.12 | art3mis | stupid shit ass fuckig piecs of crap curse supporters |
| 02:13.18 | art3mis | no im gonna bitch about it |
| 02:13.20 | art3mis | constantly |
| 02:13.23 | art3mis | consistently |
| 02:13.25 | art3mis | and directly |
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| 02:13.39 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 02:13.41 | Cairenn | art3mis: don't make me go all Canuck on your ass |
| 02:13.43 | art3mis | i wanna be -part of wowi-lounge |
| 02:13.47 | JoshBorke | why can't people support curse? |
| 02:13.52 | art3mis | not wowuidev |
| 02:14.03 | art3mis | because curse is a piece of shit site |
| 02:14.04 | Drundia | imo wowi > curse as to naming |
| 02:14.09 | JoshBorke | art3mis: that's your opinion |
| 02:14.09 | art3mis | that fiorceds full screen adds |
| 02:14.10 | art3mis | ads |
| 02:14.11 | Dotted | JoshBorke now who would support that site :P? |
| 02:14.17 | *** join/#wowuidev Iriel (n=Iriel@adsl-71-158-244-138.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 02:14.17 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 02:14.18 | JoshBorke | Dotted: i don't support thes ite :-P |
| 02:14.23 | art3mis | that plasters annoyance everywhere |
| 02:14.23 | JoshBorke | i personally dislike it |
| 02:14.34 | art3mis | and is a waste of BW |
| 02:14.51 | JoshBorke | but i don't understand how your personal opinion can be so all encompassing that it wolud require someone to maek an outburst |
| 02:14.51 | art3mis | because of thier practices i despise them |
| 02:14.56 | JoshBorke | it is after all, the interwebs |
| 02:15.06 | art3mis | it also changed which channel im aprt of |
| 02:15.07 | Cairenn | enough |
| 02:15.10 | art3mis | i support wowi |
| 02:15.15 | WobWor1 | and everyone on the internet is an arse |
| 02:15.17 | Cairenn | seriously |
| 02:15.20 | WobWor1 | point in case, JoshBorke |
| 02:15.25 | art3mis | i dont support curse or worldofwar.net |
| 02:15.33 | JoshBorke | WobWor1: but i'm not being one atm! |
| 02:15.42 | JoshBorke | and at this rate art3mis is going to beat me to the 1st one kicked |
| 02:15.48 | Tain | I hate everyone but WoWI |
| 02:15.50 | WobWor1 | Are you feeling alright? =\ |
| 02:15.52 | art3mis | as such i dislike being forced into a channel to support that which i dislike, plain and simple |
| 02:15.54 | JoshBorke | :-( |
| 02:16.07 | JoshBorke | this channel is to support curse? |
| 02:16.09 | Drundia | how does wowuidev support curse? |
| 02:16.13 | *** topic/#WoWUIDev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 2.4.x ToC: 20400 | WoW programming book http://tinyurl.com/2gdel9 | In order to be more inclusive, we've moved to #WoWUIDev. You don't have to change your login script, /join #wowi-lounge will still work, it'll just auto-forward you to here |
| 02:16.21 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 02:16.23 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:16.23 | JoshBorke | i thought this was to support wow ui devs |
| 02:16.29 | Cairenn | it is |
| 02:16.39 | art3mis | wowi-lounge did that |
| 02:16.42 | JoshBorke | don't see any mention of supporting curse or not supporting curse |
| 02:16.43 | Drundia | it's not wow-curse-lounge |
| 02:16.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Although I read "inclusive" in the wrong context |
| 02:16.43 | art3mis | there was no reason to move |
| 02:16.44 | ScytheBlade1 | But hey |
| 02:16.46 | art3mis | to change shit |
| 02:16.58 | art3mis | tahts exclusive ;P |
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| 02:17.18 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o dolby-wowi] by ChanServ |
| 02:17.28 | WobWor1 | In other news: This is really good naan |
| 02:17.37 | art3mis | either way enjoy your silence as i leave ;P |
| 02:17.41 | *** part/#wowuidev art3mis (i=art3mis@WoWUIDev/WoWI/HKUI/art3mis) |
| 02:17.59 | Lunessa | SFW - http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/04/03/funny-pictures-my-lovely-lady-lumps/ |
| 02:18.10 | JoshBorke | and the was a silence among the crowd |
| 02:18.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: wow, I - ... |
| 02:18.28 | ScytheBlade1 | .. |
| 02:18.29 | JoshBorke | s/the w/there w/ |
| 02:18.42 | WobWor1 | I'd <3 that lolcat site more |
| 02:18.48 | WobWor1 | if they didn't use lolcat in the comments |
| 02:19.03 | JoshBorke | hm, i sholud eat something for dinner |
| 02:19.08 | WobWor1 | cause reading it as a response rather than in a macro makes me want to stab people |
| 02:19.36 | WobWor1 | It's cute when the cat does it. BUT YOU ARE NOT A CUTE CAT |
| 02:20.14 | WobWor1 | JoshBorke: That's a good definition of 'dinner' |
| 02:21.07 | Lunessa | Tain: What part of Tx? |
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| 02:21.15 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v AnduinLothar] by ChanServ |
| 02:21.49 | JoshBorke | it's 10:30 |
| 02:21.53 | JoshBorke | part of me just wants to go to bed |
| 02:22.10 | WobWor1 | eat dinner in bed! |
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| 02:25.10 | WobWor1 | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/fc220d6b0904f65a210c8822ce2190db.jpg |
| 02:25.31 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 02:25.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Kinda old, but hey |
| 02:25.44 | kergoth | heh, switched away from prat and had to add like 6 different addons back in to replace the functionality i was using from prat, and these are a lot more work to set up, too |
| 02:26.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | :O |
| 02:26.43 | kergoth | screw it, going back to prat and adding fixups for my magically vanishing combat log to a page in omnibus, set to autorun on login |
| 02:26.44 | kergoth | :P |
| 02:28.33 | JoshBorke | i'm gonna have ice cream for dinner |
| 02:28.50 | Cairenn | ice cream |
| 02:28.54 | Cairenn | that sounds like a good idea |
| 02:29.09 | Lunessa | Beats PB&J |
| 02:29.10 | JoshBorke | hopefully it turns out to be fantastic |
| 02:29.12 | kd3 | ooh, yes it does |
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| 02:30.08 | *** join/#wowuidev AlexanderYoshi (n=Alexande@ip68-109-71-246.oc.oc.cox.net) |
| 02:30.33 | Cairenn | hey AlexanderYoshi |
| 02:30.58 | JoshBorke | who's this alexanderyoshi person anyway? |
| 02:31.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Some noob |
| 02:31.24 | JoshBorke | he gets a hi from Cairenn, must be some important noob |
| 02:31.38 | AlexanderYoshi | I'm just some dumbass |
| 02:31.42 | Cairenn | blizz lacky |
| 02:31.43 | ScytheBlade1 | See? |
| 02:31.43 | AlexanderYoshi | I hit on her a lot |
| 02:31.44 | ScytheBlade1 | I was close |
| 02:31.46 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
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| 02:31.50 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 02:31.53 | WobWor1 | I get mental images of a green dinosaur |
| 02:31.54 | *** part/#wowuidev waj (n=waj@c-24-22-88-183.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 02:32.00 | ScytheBlade1 | JoshBorke: http://wdnaddons.com/2408089/AddOns/Blizzard_CombatLog/Blizzard_CombatLog.lua |
| 02:32.03 | WobWor1 | with a really long tongue |
| 02:32.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Read oh, the first three lines |
| 02:32.05 | ScytheBlade1 | ;D |
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| 02:32.13 | JoshBorke | WobWor1: ... |
| 02:32.21 | AlexanderYoshi | damnit Cai |
| 02:32.25 | AlexanderYoshi | don't out me so fast |
| 02:32.37 | Cairenn | heh |
| 02:32.46 | WobWor1 | prototype? =) |
| 02:32.55 | JoshBorke | so he's the one responsible for the cluster fuck of a combat log? ;-D |
| 02:32.59 | Cairenn | ur a prototype |
| 02:33.00 | WobWor1 | JoshBorke: You never played Mario? |
| 02:33.11 | WobWor1 | Yoshi was his boon companion! |
| 02:33.17 | Iriel | I'd rather say he's responsible for talking them into giving us the combat events. |
| 02:33.20 | JoshBorke | WobWor1: i know who yoshi is |
| 02:33.23 | Iriel | For that I'll be eternally grateful 8-) |
| 02:33.26 | WobWor1 | Except when he was used as a launching platform, only to fall to his unfortunate death |
| 02:33.31 | AnduinLothar | WobWor1: does it look finished to you? |
| 02:33.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Iriel's got a point |
| 02:33.50 | ScytheBlade1 | ~praise AlexanderYoshi |
| 02:33.51 | purl | All hail AlexanderYoshi! |
| 02:33.56 | WobWor1 | *clapclap* |
| 02:33.58 | JoshBorke | i'm just kidding btw, i'm amazed at the new combat logging system, it is so much better than the previous and i had no idea it would come so fast |
| 02:34.50 | Drundia | well, now if new combat log functions were actually hookable and we could get aura sources in aura events instead of having extra cast successes everywhere. alex, any progress on hookability? |
| 02:34.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Now we just need the addons to develop a "best way to use this without nuking your FPS" mentality |
| 02:35.08 | JoshBorke | ScytheBlade1: write good code? |
| 02:35.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Nothing like AoEing 10 mobs and your UI locking up for a solid second, mmm |
| 02:35.23 | Iriel | I've been using a callback trick to expose 'locals' globally in my newer code |
| 02:35.27 | AlexanderYoshi | yes that's me |
| 02:35.35 | Drundia | tell me more, Iriel |
| 02:36.00 | Drundia | anyway, they could as well just expose all arguments to formatting function pre 2.4 |
| 02:36.05 | AlexanderYoshi | we'll add an up-value editor someday |
| 02:36.19 | Iriel | basically when you setup a 'local' you register it with a manager object.... local someLocal; localManager:Register("someLocal", function(x) someLocal =x end); |
| 02:36.20 | Drundia | since it queried lua strings every time |
| 02:36.36 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o AlexanderYoshi] by ChanServ |
| 02:36.48 | Iriel | Then you can tell the manager to update someLocal, and it'll invoke all the callbacks for that name |
| 02:36.58 | Iriel | In my code the manager actually pretends to be a table |
| 02:36.58 | Drundia | or remove upvalues at all, global lookups will work too |
| 02:37.05 | AlexanderYoshi | they work just fine |
| 02:37.10 | AlexanderYoshi | but the combat log is a performance hog |
| 02:37.14 | Iriel | so I can do locals.someLocal = true; |
| 02:37.16 | Drundia | not really |
| 02:37.22 | ScytheBlade1 | As we're (kind of) on the topic now, if I had to request one feature of the current iteration of the combat log, it'd be a party and raid filter, not just friendly/hostile ;) |
| 02:37.24 | Drundia | ScrollingMessageFrame bug is eating more |
| 02:37.29 | Iriel | You'd be suprised the difference local binding makes inside a tight loop |
| 02:37.38 | Iriel | ScytheBlade1: I also request such a thing |
| 02:37.42 | Iriel | ScytheBlade1: I find its lack annoying |
| 02:37.55 | Lunessa | .. /concur |
| 02:37.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Iriel: it'd make the world go round, immensely useful |
| 02:37.56 | kergoth | i want a little search editbox that pops up on the combatlog header so i can input 'freezing trap effect' and see how my trap broke, quickly |
| 02:38.26 | Drundia | simple way of looking up for someone's death would help too |
| 02:38.34 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd hack my saved variables to manually include one, but (1) I'm lazy and (2) I have no idea if it'd be overwritten should I change the filter in the GUI |
| 02:38.38 | Drundia | right now you have to right-click them in combat log, but they might not be there |
| 02:38.54 | Kirkburn | AlexanderYoshi, boo |
| 02:38.58 | AlexanderYoshi | what"? |
| 02:39.05 | Iriel | Queries you can do yourself you know |
| 02:39.12 | Kirkburn | Nothing, just felt like pinging a fellow admin (hah) |
| 02:39.13 | Drundia | not as user |
| 02:39.18 | AlexanderYoshi | oh hi |
| 02:39.18 | Iriel | It's only the "realtime" stuff that's hard to bang on. |
| 02:39.19 | Drundia | need to read code first |
| 02:39.30 | Iriel | Yeah, i'm saying, a search box is prime AddOn territory |
| 02:39.36 | Iriel | One of you should get working on it 8-) |
| 02:39.42 | kergoth | indeed |
| 02:39.51 | Drundia | yes-yes, i surely thought about some modifications |
| 02:40.03 | Kirkburn | AlexanderYoshi, none of the admins, even the inactive ones, have quite managed to get away from WoW :P |
| 02:40.05 | Drundia | at least some extra variables in code |
| 02:40.20 | Drundia | don't think i'll make any nice settings ui |
| 02:40.39 | Drundia | don't think i'll make anything non-hardcoded too |
| 02:40.53 | Drundia | so it's mostly just for myself right now |
| 02:41.37 | Drundia | btw where should i put something if i actually change it to something configurable? |
| 02:41.38 | WobWor1 | AlexanderYoshi: http://www.evilmilk.com/pictures/Betrayal.htm |
| 02:41.39 | AlexanderYoshi | Yeah |
| 02:41.47 | AlexanderYoshi | You mean the WoW Wiki Admins? |
| 02:43.35 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ betrayal |
| 02:43.51 | AlexanderYoshi | OMG |
| 02:43.53 | AlexanderYoshi | Jerks! |
| 02:44.25 | AnduinLothar | this is the internet, what were you expecting? |
| 02:44.29 | Drundia | does CombatLogSetCurrentEntry(index) account for current filters? |
| 02:44.42 | Drundia | was there second parameter ignorefilters? |
| 02:44.43 | AlexanderYoshi | yes unless you pass "true" as the 2nd argument |
| 02:44.51 | Drundia | good |
| 02:45.11 | Gngsk | Iriel, are you responsible for the SecureStateHeader.lua comments? |
| 02:45.14 | Kirkburn | AlexanderYoshi, yes, you're still an admin |
| 02:45.14 | Arel | Is there any way to get current target GUID? |
| 02:45.16 | kd3 | whee for my body finally catching up with me. it's 22:45, I've been up for ~10 hours and just now am I getting hungry |
| 02:45.21 | kd3 | whee for jetlagging myself |
| 02:45.23 | Iriel | Gngsk: Most of them |
| 02:45.24 | kd3 | UnitGUID() |
| 02:45.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Arel: UnitGUID("target") |
| 02:45.28 | Kirkburn | kd3, jetlag? |
| 02:45.29 | Arel | oh, super. |
| 02:45.43 | AlexanderYoshi | I update the WoW API occasionally |
| 02:45.48 | Kirkburn | Love the betrayal pic |
| 02:45.57 | kd3 | being a programmer and totally disrespecting the wake/sleep cycle most humans tend to stick to |
| 02:45.59 | AlexanderYoshi | When I see blantantly wrong stuf |
| 02:46.06 | Arel | hmm, is there any way to get information on a unit given it's GUID? |
| 02:46.07 | Kirkburn | AlexanderYoshi, indeedy, it's nice to see old faces :) |
| 02:46.19 | ScytheBlade1 | You had me scared for a minute there, AlexanderYoshi |
| 02:46.23 | Gngsk | Iriel, caught a small typo that had me really confused for a while. SecureUpDownTemplate should be SecureAnchorUpDownTemplate in advanced topics: anchor control templates section |
| 02:46.29 | Kirkburn | Schmidt is still around in a vaguely ethereal sense |
| 02:46.33 | ScytheBlade1 | I thought you meant the in-game API, ie, "I change it occasionally" |
| 02:46.42 | ScytheBlade1 | :( |
| 02:46.59 | Kirkburn | ScytheBlade1, only if it's something that only you use |
| 02:47.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Kirkburn: yeah that's how it usually "goes down" |
| 02:47.21 | Arel | Anyone? If I know a GUID of a unit, and I want to know it's level, for example. |
| 02:47.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Arel: no |
| 02:47.37 | Arel | darn. was afraid so. |
| 02:47.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Arel: GUIDs cannot be use for anything but storing, more or less :) |
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| 02:47.50 | Guillotine | you can get the NPC id |
| 02:47.52 | Iriel | Gngsk: Thanks |
| 02:47.53 | Guillotine | by parcing it |
| 02:47.55 | Drundia | i believe GameTooltip:SetHyperlink("\124Hunit:GUID\124randomtext\124" |
| 02:47.59 | Guillotine | parsing* |
| 02:48.06 | Gngsk | Iriel, np, glad I could help |
| 02:48.07 | Drundia | and closing ) there |
| 02:48.13 | Drundia | it can give you some details |
| 02:48.41 | Guillotine | thats true |
| 02:48.49 | Guillotine | you could do a bit of tooltip scanning |
| 02:48.58 | Guillotine | but only if the npc is nearby |
| 02:48.58 | Drundia | like with everything.... |
| 02:49.15 | Arel | right. That sounds good. |
| 02:49.25 | Arel | Thanks, all. |
| 02:49.32 | Drundia | why can't they make simplified version to get table or list of strings containing data |
| 02:49.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Er? |
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| 02:49.43 | Drundia | that sounds as a suggestion |
| 02:49.46 | Iriel | because it'd be work and they dont need to |
| 02:49.51 | Iriel | tooltip parsing is a 'solved problem' |
| 02:50.02 | Drundia | wouldn't it be faster? |
| 02:50.05 | Iriel | I'd love it too, but I dont feel a huge gap for not having it |
| 02:50.14 | Iriel | How often are you scanning tooltips?? |
| 02:50.22 | Drundia | well |
| 02:50.35 | Drundia | personally i don't any more, i switched to third party addons doing that |
| 02:51.01 | AlexanderYoshi | lawl? |
| 02:51.25 | Gngsk | is it possible to find if the source of a combat log event is pvp flagged if you only have GUID? cause I'm currently tip scanning for that |
| 02:51.32 | Iriel | I doubt it |
| 02:51.44 | Iriel | Unless they're in range (then you'd use the ttip) |
| 02:51.52 | Gngsk | yeah, that's what I'm doing |
| 02:52.21 | Drundia | well, yes, i had some addon donig that, but i was lazy to finish it and in the end went for something else that was created at some point between old addon being abandoned and me abandoning my addon. |
| 02:53.48 | Drundia | btw don't pvp-flagged enemy players have different flags than pvp-unflagged ones? |
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| 02:55.23 | Gngsk | Drundia, not that I could see |
| 02:55.44 | Gngsk | they both evaluate to hostile |
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| 03:01.34 | Arel | Thanks for the help, appreciated. Good night all. |
| 03:03.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Haha |
| 03:03.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Epic thread |
| 03:03.36 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5720293417&sid=1 |
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| 03:04.29 | ralfWORK | y hallo thar! |
| 03:05.00 | Lopeppeppy | Hai 2 U |
| 03:05.05 | ralfWORK | :D |
| 03:05.17 | ralfWORK | anyone know if imp shadow bolt appears in the combat log? |
| 03:05.43 | ralfWORK | particularly, I'm trying to figure out how many of those charges I ate up as a shadowpriest |
| 03:06.02 | kd3 | mmm... 24-hour fast-food joints |
| 03:06.07 | kd3 | god bless america |
| 03:06.12 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:06.14 | Iriel | amen |
| 03:06.16 | ralfWORK | ... and no place else |
| 03:06.27 | Iriel | though being able to buy steak at 2am and grill it yourself is nice too |
| 03:07.19 | Lopeppeppy | ... Oh, gods, Iriel, you're cruel. |
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| 03:07.23 | Corrodias | ah poo |
| 03:07.25 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 03:07.37 | Cairenn | heheheh |
| 03:07.40 | Corrodias | alright, hang up, gotta rearrange my windows |
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| 03:08.15 | Keias | I BEAT YOU TO IT CAIRENN |
| 03:08.18 | Corrodias | that ought to do it |
| 03:08.22 | Cairenn | heh |
| 03:08.32 | Corrodias | sad: i need a game to play |
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| 03:10.44 | AnduinLothar | beer pong |
| 03:11.06 | Corrodias | i have no pong :( |
| 03:11.26 | Corrodias | i'd probably play khalua pong, though |
| 03:11.36 | Lopeppeppy | Mojito poing |
| 03:11.42 | Lunessa | ... Iriel... now you must bring me a grilled steak, baked potato and a goddamned beer... |
| 03:12.13 | Iriel | Surely you meant to thank me for the inspiration, and let us know you're off to do that yourself? |
| 03:12.56 | Lunessa | I'm still at work. |
| 03:13.13 | Iriel | Ah.. sucks to be you I guess 8-( |
| 03:13.29 | Iriel | I'm at home but trying to eat less, so I'm screwed too, if it makes you feel any better |
| 03:13.35 | Iriel | But my grill is fixed, so I /CAN/ grill. |
| 03:14.04 | Keias | Thats what I had today Lunessa :) |
| 03:14.08 | Keias | Very tasty :D |
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| 03:14.27 | Lunessa | Well, I'm going to drive home to an apartment overlooking the beach... so I'm cool, I guess. |
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| 03:16.42 | End | Moooooo. |
| 03:17.03 | End | It appears, I actually -am- capable of reading the channel topic. |
| 03:17.25 | Cairenn | hehhehe |
| 03:17.26 | Cairenn | hi end |
| 03:17.29 | End | hihi |
| 03:17.47 | End | noooo |
| 03:17.51 | End | you kicked me from the other channel |
| 03:17.51 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 03:17.52 | End | :( |
| 03:18.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | so, ff3.0 b5 gets a 71/100 on acid3 |
| 03:18.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | and they're not even shooting for acid3 results in 3.0 |
| 03:19.19 | End | given 3.0 is in beta, I'm not surprised |
| 03:19.38 | End | fixing all the remaining bugs/issues for acid3 is best handled in trunk |
| 03:20.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | they said they're shooting for stability more than compliance at this point |
| 03:20.36 | End | indeed |
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| 03:21.24 | Drundia | Iriel, with that cool manager thing you still can't really change locals of Blizzard-signed addon, you need to register them while they are still local. |
| 03:21.33 | Drundia | so CombatLog_OnEvent remains very very hidden |
| 03:21.50 | Iriel | The idea is blizzard build their own manager and register their locals so you can get to them |
| 03:22.11 | Iriel | It still requires the cooperation of the author, but I think that's a good thing |
| 03:22.17 | Drundia | i still don't know if calling it once per event as global can have that big performance loss |
| 03:22.21 | Iriel | We should **NOT** be given an upvalue editor. |
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| 03:22.34 | Iriel | It can, consider that a single frame may deliver dozens of events |
| 03:22.35 | Drundia | same for nearly all functions |
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| 03:22.46 | sag_ich_nicht | why you do this Cairenn |
| 03:22.48 | Drundia | that function isn't that fast itself |
| 03:23.15 | Seerah | now this channel sounds like it's named after wowui :P |
| 03:23.19 | Drundia | it seems to lookup some globals itself |
| 03:23.40 | Cairenn | because some people felt that the other name gave the impression of being site specific |
| 03:23.47 | Cairenn | wow ui dev |
| 03:23.52 | Cairenn | I know, though |
| 03:23.57 | End | well, it was -sort of- site specific, but not really :P |
| 03:23.57 | Iriel | Offhand I wasn't convinced that all of the localizing was necessary, but some is definitely beneficial. |
| 03:24.16 | Drundia | using a local table possible numerically-indexed could be almost as fast |
| 03:24.16 | WobWork | how about wowaddondev? |
| 03:24.26 | Drundia | s/possible/possibly/ |
| 03:24.29 | WobWork | or wowhax |
| 03:24.37 | sag_ich_nicht | this is so unneccesairy |
| 03:24.41 | sag_ich_nicht | whoever complained is a fool |
| 03:24.43 | WobWork | yeh =P |
| 03:24.52 | Cairenn | this channel was already in existence - look at the cloaks ... @WoWUIDev/whatever |
| 03:25.05 | sag_ich_nicht | i dun care |
| 03:25.06 | sag_ich_nicht | D: |
| 03:25.07 | WobWork | Now we give the impression of being site specific to the wrong site =) |
| 03:25.11 | Iriel | Drundia: Not anywhere near as fast (but it really depends what you're measuring) |
| 03:25.12 | End | I don't care what channel I'm in that much. :P |
| 03:25.18 | Duman | heh |
| 03:25.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | i vote for #wowquitbitchingitsjustachannelname |
| 03:25.22 | Drundia | and that way we are still in need to hook half of addon together with loader |
| 03:25.25 | Duman | wow-uidev |
| 03:25.26 | Duman | ;) |
| 03:25.33 | Drundia | and i prefer untainted SetItemRef() |
| 03:25.41 | End | w-o-w-u-i-d-e-v? |
| 03:25.44 | Duman | (not like I really care) |
| 03:25.47 | WobWork | that'd work =P |
| 03:25.47 | Drundia | which is still not moved into core FrameXML |
| 03:25.55 | Iriel | we just need to redesign SetItemRef so that if it doesn't get a hit it securecall's something |
| 03:25.59 | WobWork | uidev4wow |
| 03:26.11 | Iriel | then it can be extended nicely |
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| 03:26.38 | Drundia | the problem is that combat log actually partially disables original one |
| 03:26.39 | Cairenn | I'm not gonna go through all of this again guys, because then I'd have to get all the cloaks changed, too |
| 03:27.02 | Duman | cairenn it's fine the way it is :) |
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| 03:27.06 | Drundia | the original one in most cases copies everything under link |
| 03:27.12 | End | we're just being whiney jackasses :P |
| 03:27.32 | Drundia | modified one changes spell name to real one, replaces icon textures with their respective {codes} |
| 03:27.38 | End | anyways, Cairenn, the correct response is "QQ" |
| 03:28.03 | Seerah | QQ |
| 03:28.11 | Drundia | if you hooksecurefunc() it you just get double result and yes i comment out oldSetItemRef(link, text, button); |
| 03:28.14 | End | :P |
| 03:28.32 | Cairenn | to be brutally honest I'm frankly annoyed about it, but if changing the name of the channel got people to stop bitching at me, it means one less thing for me to deal with, I have enough other things that really matter |
| 03:29.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Upload me some hot water, Lunessa. Nothing like stepping into a shower of cold water. :( |
| 03:29.36 | Drundia | Blizzard_CombatLog SetItemRef() is also the only case where some original functionality gets disabled. |
| 03:29.52 | Drundia | in most cases it can be hooksecurefunc()'d |
| 03:30.04 | Drundia | which no one also does.... |
| 03:30.24 | Drundia | Blizzard raid frames had some taint vulnerability too |
| 03:30.27 | Drundia | and still have it |
| 03:30.31 | Drundia | not like anyone uses it.... |
| 03:30.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Hey now! |
| 03:30.44 | ScytheBlade1 | I used them! To HEAL! |
| 03:30.58 | End | used |
| 03:31.00 | End | key word |
| 03:31.21 | Drundia | but in the end "show target" and "show target of target" functionality is tainted by nearly any addon out there except for first unit in frame |
| 03:31.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Actually no - I would have kept using them, but I decided to try out Grid |
| 03:31.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Then I got lazy and left it as-is |
| 03:31.42 | kd3 | grid <3 |
| 03:31.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Of course, that was 2.3, and I have yet to touch my druid's UI since 2.4 |
| 03:31.49 | End | I used grid for a while |
| 03:31.52 | ScytheBlade1 | So I may just wind up using the raid UI! |
| 03:31.54 | Lunessa | Ok... I'm out. Time to go home and still not have a steak. See you guys tomorrow. |
| 03:32.22 | Drundia | that's really bad part that "show target" and "show target of target" functionality gets tainted.... it would take forever to find some space for assist macro..... |
| 03:32.35 | End | hm |
| 03:32.47 | End | I do remember my target of target getting tainted -a lot- |
| 03:32.52 | End | which was really annoying |
| 03:33.06 | Drundia | target is tainted too |
| 03:33.16 | End | never had any issues with target |
| 03:33.26 | End | it was either my pet bar or target of target |
| 03:33.30 | Drundia | and units themselves often dark out and ignore clicks |
| 03:33.58 | Drundia | this is stupid really. they should switch to secure templates out there :p |
| 03:34.03 | Drundia | but it seems it's too hard |
| 03:34.42 | End | yeah |
| 03:34.56 | Drundia | but there was also securecall() |
| 03:35.23 | End | there's a few things, I think, that you still can't do with secure frames...and if Blizzard forced themselves to use them, they'd have to implement the missing features :P |
| 03:35.57 | End | pretty minor things of course |
| 03:37.05 | Drundia | hmmm |
| 03:37.12 | Drundia | lines 977-980 are securecalled... |
| 03:37.17 | Drundia | then the tains comes from elsewhere.... |
| 03:37.25 | Drundia | or doesn't come any more as of 2.4.1 |
| 03:37.49 | Tain | Don't blame me, I didn't do it. |
| 03:38.37 | End | Yes |
| 03:38.38 | End | you did |
| 03:38.39 | End | ! |
| 03:39.27 | End | of nothing |
| 03:39.35 | End | Tain eats babies! |
| 03:39.57 | ckknight | it's true. |
| 03:40.26 | Drundia | Tain, depends on which addons you make |
| 03:41.20 | Tain | I'm getting a raw deal, I didn't taint anything. |
| 03:41.33 | Tain | err.. well not in WoW at least. |
| 03:41.33 | End | Can't have taint without tain |
| 03:42.11 | Tain | There may be an ex or two who could have a valid claim to me tainting a relationship. |
| 03:44.39 | Drundia | nah, it's all those exes' faults |
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| 03:45.52 | Seerah | End: what I was thinking ;) |
| 03:46.07 | End | :P |
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| 03:47.47 | Tain | I accept full responsibility for my contribution to destruction. |
| 03:50.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Ack, 178MB to upload |
| 03:50.22 | kd3 | o_O; |
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| 03:51.44 | Corrodias | i accept... the nomination |
| 03:55.10 | WobWork | wow |
| 03:55.10 | WobWork | http://j-walkblog.com/images/drbronnersoaplabel.png |
| 03:55.10 | WobWork | That's copyheavy |
| 04:00.02 | WobWork | Tain: This tainted love you've given, I give you all a boy could give you, take my tears and that's not nearly all! |
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| 04:05.44 | Drundia | hmmm, either gcd is ignored by server completely now or client doesn't follow same gcd reduction rules as server.... |
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| 04:06.12 | batrick | o ya |
| 04:06.20 | AbsoAFKINHYJAL | oh NICE |
| 04:06.31 | AbsoAFKINHYJAL | we got one of those new fist weapons from Hyjal |
| 04:06.40 | MentalPower | Drundia: client does not follow GDC |
| 04:06.44 | MentalPower | it just displays it |
| 04:06.46 | WobWork | hehe one of those dropped for us on my first run |
| 04:06.49 | MentalPower | it does not enforce it |
| 04:06.50 | WobWork | a shammy grabbed it |
| 04:07.00 | WobWork | I think I would have been lynched if I rolled and won |
| 04:07.01 | Drundia | yes it does kinda |
| 04:07.03 | AbsoAFKINHYJAL | It went to a rogue |
| 04:07.09 | AbsoAFKINHYJAL | cause our shammys elemental |
| 04:07.14 | WobWork | since I'm not specifically a raid member, merely a guild member |
| 04:07.21 | Drundia | you can't send casts when client thinks spell is on cooldown |
| 04:07.24 | WobWork | I did get the necklace though |
| 04:07.33 | Drundia | that includes gcd |
| 04:07.35 | AbsoAFKINHYJAL | I want the tanking cloak. :< |
| 04:07.42 | WobWork | yeah, that cloak rocks |
| 04:07.46 | Drundia | and it screws procs among all other things |
| 04:07.47 | MentalPower | Drundia: err... no |
| 04:07.51 | Drundia | well yes |
| 04:07.52 | MentalPower | I can send smite casts |
| 04:07.55 | MentalPower | whenever |
| 04:07.57 | Drundia | while casting |
| 04:08.00 | Drundia | but not while in gcd |
| 04:08.06 | MentalPower | but the server will still tell me if I can or not |
| 04:08.19 | Drundia | from what i see right now |
| 04:08.25 | MentalPower | wierd... |
| 04:08.30 | Guillotine | CopyTable is part of the default UI now, right? |
| 04:08.49 | MentalPower | weird <--never noticed I was speeling it wrong :| |
| 04:09.09 | Guillotine | I refuse to spell it 'weird' |
| 04:09.14 | Drundia | the thing is |
| 04:09.18 | Guillotine | I mean, spelling it that way is just wierd |
| 04:09.40 | MentalPower | lol |
| 04:09.45 | MentalPower | weird |
| 04:09.48 | Drundia | if server receives cast request from you it holds it for a few hundred miliseconds (maybe only if spell is near completion) |
| 04:09.51 | MentalPower | :P |
| 04:09.55 | Drundia | so you can make perfect spell chains |
| 04:10.04 | Drundia | but 1.5 sec casts didn't quite work like that |
| 04:10.18 | Drundia | they aren't perfectly chainable because of lag variance |
| 04:10.40 | Drundia | now from what i see thanks to this mini queue |
| 04:10.54 | Drundia | Backlash proc reduces gcd of Incinerate and Shadow Bolt down to 1 sec |
| 04:11.04 | Drundia | because server starts new spells at that time |
| 04:11.12 | Drundia | but client still keeps standard gcd |
| 04:11.39 | Drundia | same should be for all instant cast procs |
| 04:11.56 | Drundia | or at least most of them, depends on what they do |
| 04:14.51 | Guillotine | Does anybody else post in threads with "LUA" in the title just so they can say that it isn't an acronym? |
| 04:14.57 | Guillotine | I mean, along with a real answer |
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| 04:15.15 | Guillotine | ironically, people are more likely to get an answer from me if they put "LUA" in the title |
| 04:17.53 | batrick | its because u like easy post increments |
| 04:18.01 | batrick | post counter* |
| 04:21.00 | kd3 | ahahaha @ xkcd |
| 04:22.16 | kd3 | and wikipedia, where her mention's already been added |
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| 04:29.10 | Mike-N-Go | What happend? |
| 04:36.10 | Mike-N-Go | Why did someone tell me to rejoin wowI? |
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| 04:41.48 | MentalPower | Guillotine: so your friend is writing a converter for .m2 files? |
| 04:42.14 | Guillotine | MP: http://wowexplored.wordpress.com/ |
| 04:42.23 | kergoth | anyone know how to turn off the behavior where if you turn on your autoattack/autoshot without a target, it automaitcally grabs the nearest? |
| 04:42.48 | Guillotine | I really just met him when I found his website, but... hes not releasing his model converter due to concerns about exploits with model replacements, but hes been willing to convert whatever files I need |
| 04:43.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I thought that M2 was already converted? |
| 04:43.28 | ScytheBlade1 | ie, we already had full access to it? |
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| 04:45.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Er, whoops |
| 04:45.49 | ScytheBlade1 | That would be an NDA that I just nearly broke :) |
| 04:45.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Well not mine but just the same |
| 04:46.24 | MentalPower | ~lart ScytheBlade1 |
| 04:46.24 | purl | executes killall -TERM ScytheBlade1 |
| 04:46.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, probably a wise idea at this point :P |
| 04:47.29 | WobWork | kd3: I'm totally rolling a toon on Draka named SummerGlau and posting to the forums there |
| 04:47.49 | WobWork | s/there/with her |
| 04:51.40 | AbsoAFKINHYJAL | \o/ Winterchill down |
| 04:53.00 | NightHawkTheSane | does anyone else do a great job on najentus and wipe on the trash pack immediately after him? >< |
| 04:53.22 | NightHawkTheSane | grats AbsoRayne. although he's easy :P |
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| 04:58.47 | kamdis | grats rayne |
| 04:59.47 | WobWork | grats Abso |
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| 05:02.54 | kamdis | WobWork, we have different colored money now in the U.S. |
| 05:03.02 | WobWork | really? |
| 05:03.03 | WobWork | wow |
| 05:03.05 | kamdis | the newest $10s are peach |
| 05:03.11 | WobWork | ... scary =) |
| 05:03.11 | kamdis | and the $5s are purple |
| 05:03.12 | Cairenn | O.O |
| 05:03.23 | WobWork | is it still paper money though? |
| 05:03.30 | kd3 | still paper money |
| 05:03.36 | WobWork | or have you lot reached the same level as the rest of us? =) |
| 05:03.40 | kd3 | it's still mostly green, too. just with different tints |
| 05:03.42 | kamdis | it's never been paper |
| 05:03.44 | kamdis | it's linen |
| 05:03.48 | WobWork | pft , plastic money is so much better |
| 05:03.49 | kd3 | "paper" |
| 05:03.53 | WobWork | yeah "paper" |
| 05:04.05 | kamdis | meh whatever |
| 05:04.06 | WobWork | We can launder our money =) |
| 05:04.13 | WobWork | and not worry about the ink running =P |
| 05:04.16 | kd3 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:USDnotes.jpg |
| 05:04.17 | kamdis | we can too |
| 05:04.19 | kamdis | uh |
| 05:04.27 | kamdis | mine go through the wash by mistake a lot |
| 05:04.33 | kamdis | wont' come out as well as yours |
| 05:04.35 | kd3 | wait... that can't be right. didn't the $100 bill get updated too? |
| 05:04.35 | kamdis | but still |
| 05:04.47 | WobWork | that's.. "peach"? |
| 05:05.13 | kamdis | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/details/2536/ |
| 05:05.15 | kamdis | err |
| 05:05.19 | kamdis | not that :P |
| 05:05.29 | kamdis | http://www.moneyfactory.gov/store/section.cfm/69/86 |
| 05:05.32 | kamdis | that! |
| 05:05.33 | WobWork | I've never been happier about our money, than after running into the surf with a $100 note in my boardshorts |
| 05:06.09 | kamdis | $100 is next kd3 but not scheduled for release yet |
| 05:06.13 | AbsoRayne | Wheeee thanks guys |
| 05:06.20 | AbsoRayne | sorry was posting in the progression thread |
| 05:07.56 | WobWork | our money is much more identifiable, I guess, in terms of seeing what it is at a glance: http://www.rba.gov.au/CurrencyNotes/NotesInCirculation/index.html |
| 05:08.27 | kd3 | most currency's more identifiable than ours |
| 05:08.45 | kamdis | we're getting there |
| 05:09.03 | kamdis | assuming you're not colorblind, Wob! |
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| 05:09.07 | kamdis | :D |
| 05:09.14 | WobWork | kamdis: They're all different sizes too |
| 05:09.18 | WobWork | so the blind can figure it out= ) |
| 05:09.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | you know what they need to make? |
| 05:09.31 | kamdis | that's a definite drawback of us currency |
| 05:09.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | a key holder for your car that reads your BAC |
| 05:09.42 | WobWork | how -do- the blind figure it out in the US? |
| 05:09.53 | kamdis | they fold it different ways, i believe |
| 05:10.02 | WobWork | ours carry around a ruler, that has the different lengths on it |
| 05:10.13 | WobWork | kamdis: that's really awkward |
| 05:10.18 | kamdis | agreed |
| 05:10.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's a different feel to them |
| 05:10.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's marginal |
| 05:10.30 | WobWork | but something they can get =) |
| 05:10.32 | kamdis | yes, especially the older they get |
| 05:10.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | but each bill does have a slightly different feel |
| 05:11.00 | Corrodias | credit cards |
| 05:11.02 | Corrodias | 100% |
| 05:11.48 | Corrodias | ugh. *loosens belt another notch* |
| 05:11.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | i mostly pay with debit |
| 05:12.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | unless a place doesn't take credit/debit, in which case i have a bit of cash on hand |
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| 05:15.29 | kamdis | these are sweet http://www.royalmint.com/newdesigns/designsRevealed.aspx |
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| 05:16.14 | Corrodias | i was not pleased with that new design |
| 05:16.37 | Corrodias | the coins look like they leave out a lot of the detail in the image, containing only bits and corners |
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| 05:17.24 | kamdis | that's what is so cool about them Corrodias |
| 05:17.27 | kamdis | imo |
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| 05:17.56 | Corrodias | i should watch a movie tonight. i have been saving Pan's Labyrinth for ages. i wonder if that should be the one. |
| 05:18.07 | Iriel | It's good.. dark.. but good |
| 05:18.31 | WobWork | Agreed |
| 05:18.34 | WobWork | definitely worth watching |
| 05:18.40 | WobWork | ..in the dark |
| 05:18.40 | ScytheBlade1 | LOL |
| 05:18.51 | ScytheBlade1 | If you're in the French locale, "terrorist" is a censored word |
| 05:19.20 | AbsoRayne | And now im properly black temple attuned \o/ |
| 05:19.23 | WobWork | ~x fr en terrorist |
| 05:19.36 | Corrodias | hhhuh. i will definitely watch it some time. |
| 05:19.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh wait, this is the bad /names/ table |
| 05:19.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Whoops |
| 05:19.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Not chat |
| 05:22.09 | Corrodias | i'm not sure i'm ready for something so deep, though |
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| 06:03.02 | Shirik|Ecole | :< |
| 06:03.02 | Shirik|Ecole | network @ hotels = sad panda |
| 06:14.12 | sag_ich_nicht | QQ |
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| 06:19.56 | Drundia | some more about locals in combat log. |
| 06:20.03 | Drundia | i did a small test, mostly to time it |
| 06:20.16 | Drundia | debugprofilestart(); myglobal=true; for i=1,100000 do local mylocal=myglobal; end; print(debugprofilestop()) > 6 ms |
| 06:20.22 | Drundia | debugprofilestart(); local myglobal=true; for i=1,100000 do local mylocal=myglobal; end; print(debugprofilestop()) > 4 ms |
| 06:20.48 | Drundia | well, 6.12 vs 4.08 for 100000 |
| 06:21.02 | Iriel | that's a measurable difference |
| 06:21.13 | Drundia | quite honestly i think such massive use of upvalues isn't really saving people fps |
| 06:21.18 | Drundia | but 100000 |
| 06:21.34 | Drundia | you don't even call it so much |
| 06:21.48 | Iriel | Like I said earlier, in tight loops they're useful. |
| 06:22.03 | Iriel | Outside of that, not so much.. and the combat log may have gone too far |
| 06:22.13 | Drundia | well |
| 06:23.01 | Drundia | i'll paste small list of things for combat log on pastey. i think i'll work on most of it too to help out. |
| 06:23.55 | Arrowmaster | some things are too far like COMBATLOG being an upvalue |
| 06:25.44 | Arrowmaster | but i think theres a larger difference when its table lookup |
| 06:27.27 | Iriel | a global reference is a table lookup |
| 06:27.51 | Iriel | But what you may be saying is, the difference is larger if it's a NESTED table lookup |
| 06:27.54 | Drundia | as for upvalues, i think easiest to write would be function UpdateAllUpvalues() |
| 06:28.33 | Drundia | it's pretty much just copy some code and it will update all locals to their current global versions that don't have to be too local |
| 06:28.34 | Iriel | Drundia: That works if they're all just global dereferences |
| 06:28.42 | Iriel | Drundia: It fails horribly if they're not |
| 06:28.49 | Drundia | most of them are |
| 06:29.05 | Drundia | the funny thing is that most of them are defined in combat log lua and then just localized |
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| 06:29.24 | Iriel | well, that means other people can use the values, which is probably good. |
| 06:29.31 | Drundia | that's true |
| 06:31.20 | Drundia | well, right now it seems i'm happy with my Blizzard_CombatLog_RefilterUpdate(), it was changed to access COMBATLOG_LIMIT_PER_FRAME only once (can go global) and got a small fix for scrolling lag bug so we can refilter a lot more messages without lag now |
| 06:35.46 | End-sleep | I'm gonna forget about this window again, and I'll be "sleeping" for a week |
| 06:35.49 | End-sleep | you just know it! |
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| 06:36.04 | Drundia | StatusBar:SetValue(value) doesn't happen to show bar does it? |
| 06:36.13 | Iriel | I dont believe so |
| 06:36.19 | Iriel | unless it has an overzeaous OnValueChanged |
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| 06:39.31 | Arrowmaster | really wish COMBATLOG wasnt an upvalue |
| 06:39.58 | Arrowmaster | then i could just replace it rather than replacing ChatFrame2 then restoring ChatFrame2 |
| 06:40.14 | Arrowmaster | which causes taint in the ui |
| 06:41.36 | Iriel | Hm.. can you get an addon loaded BEFORE blizzards? |
| 06:41.44 | Arrowmaster | thats what i am doing |
| 06:42.36 | Iriel | Actually never mind, there's no easily exploitable place to flip it out. |
| 06:42.38 | Arrowmaster | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/85058 |
| 06:42.48 | Arrowmaster | yeah yeah overusage of _G |
| 06:43.01 | AlexanderYoshi | if you delete the combat log you should be able to mkae a different frame the combat log |
| 06:43.44 | Arrowmaster | its an upvalue so you cant change COMBATLOG and have it effect Blizzard_CombatLog |
| 06:44.03 | Drundia | you can replace function that loads it |
| 06:44.11 | Arrowmaster | thats exactly what im doing |
| 06:44.46 | Drundia | replacing CombatLog_LoadUI during normal addon loading process should always work |
| 06:44.51 | Drundia | doesn't even need _G |
| 06:44.52 | Arrowmaster | it doesnt |
| 06:44.59 | Drundia | for me it does |
| 06:45.03 | Drundia | combat log is lod |
| 06:45.17 | Arrowmaster | because if anything optdeps Blizzard_CombatLog then it gets loaded before CombatLog_LoadUI |
| 06:45.37 | Drundia | oh right |
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| 06:46.16 | Arrowmaster | which is silly since i dont think you can disable Blizzard_CombatLog so really no addons should ever optdep it |
| 06:46.35 | Arrowmaster | Iriel: btw why does DevTools now optdep Blizzard_CombatLog? |
| 06:46.48 | Drundia | some addons may need its variables at load time though i can't imagine why exactly |
| 06:46.51 | Iriel | Arrowmaster: Because I didn't update it after they moved the globals |
| 06:47.02 | Drundia | why did they move the damn globals? |
| 06:47.07 | Iriel | Arrowmaster: When I created that version, they hadn't put the globals in FrameXML yet |
| 06:47.11 | Arrowmaster | ok |
| 06:47.12 | Iriel | Arrowmaster: They were all in the LoD addon |
| 06:47.47 | Drundia | actually why the evil SetItemRef functions is still combat log..... that's really really evul |
| 06:47.52 | Arrowmaster | no addons should need any variables from Blizzard_CombatLog now |
| 06:48.11 | Arrowmaster | those funcs use an upvalue i think |
| 06:52.06 | Drundia | lines 274-348 seem to be exactly everything which we need to fill UpdateAllUpvalues() function with |
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| 06:54.38 | zenzio | hm, why the channel name change? |
| 06:54.55 | Guillotine | the FBI took in #wowi-lounge for questioning |
| 06:55.44 | zenzio | I see it, I just don't see the reason as such :-o Sounds so much more strict and dull now |
| 06:55.45 | Guillotine | I still think the new channel name should have been something more like "#GuillIsBetterThanMae" |
| 06:55.47 | Guillotine | Me* |
| 06:55.48 | Arrowmaster | why WoWUIDev instead of WoWIDev? |
| 06:56.00 | Arrowmaster | makes it look like a wowui.incgamers channel |
| 06:56.18 | Guillotine | now its just a general author channel. though really it was before |
| 06:56.20 | Cairenn | WoW UI Dev |
| 06:56.37 | Guillotine | I guess someone cared about the name rather than just what it was *shrug* |
| 06:56.40 | Drundia | how comes like wowui.incgamers? |
| 06:56.50 | Cairenn | ... |
| 06:56.56 | Drundia | it seems someone was in love with curse |
| 06:56.56 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 06:57.01 | Drundia | and wanted a rename |
| 06:57.34 | Guillotine | afaik, it wasn't curse. though I could be wrong. But I know it wasn't me :P |
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| 06:58.07 | zenzio | what wasn't "included" in the previous name? |
| 06:58.09 | Drundia | so |
| 06:58.30 | Guillotine | zenzio: stdio.h |
| 06:58.33 | Drundia | i just timed CombatLog_OnEvent() function |
| 06:58.42 | Drundia | adding there debugprofilestart and stop |
| 06:59.05 | Drundia | it's like ~10000+ global lookups - equal number of local lookups |
| 06:59.10 | Cairenn | (11:26:46 PM) Cairenn: this channel was already in existence - look at the cloaks ... @WoWUIDev/whatever |
| 06:59.10 | Cairenn | at the time I made the cloak names, incgamers was still ui.wow.net |
| 06:59.42 | Cairenn | (11:28:33 PM) Cairenn: I'm not gonna go through all of this again guys, because then I'd have to get all the cloaks changed, too |
| 06:59.58 | Arrowmaster | feel free to get my cloak changed from unaffiliated |
| 07:00.11 | Guillotine | hmm, found a very strange bug |
| 07:00.26 | Drundia | 0.2-0.3 ms is what i see |
| 07:00.55 | zenzio | oh well, I just liked the previous name more ;) |
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| 07:01.30 | Drundia | well right, i should compare time for local function with upvalues versus function without upvalues |
| 07:01.59 | Guillotine | Hmm, theres no way to tell if a frame is in a location if its hidden, is there? It appears the repeatable quest completion mouse icon is blanking out in certain places |
| 07:02.12 | Arrowmaster | you should time one of the original Blizzard_CombatLog's from ptr |
| 07:02.34 | Drundia | uhm? |
| 07:02.38 | Guillotine | hmm, nm. its the icon itself |
| 07:02.47 | Drundia | what was with it? |
| 07:03.03 | Arrowmaster | the original ones were really bad |
| 07:03.10 | Drundia | well the scrolling still lags |
| 07:03.22 | Drundia | Iriel, any news about scrolling lag? |
| 07:03.29 | Iriel | Nope |
| 07:03.54 | Iriel | I suspect if there is any news it'd appear in the forum |
| 07:04.10 | Arrowmaster | the scrolling on refilter? |
| 07:05.02 | Drundia | any scrolling when text changes |
| 07:05.33 | Elkano | btw: Iriel, GetGuildRosterInfo got a new return value added (the class constant), mind asking Slouken to also add that to GetFriendInfo? |
| 07:05.37 | Arrowmaster | really? i havent noticed that |
| 07:05.38 | Drundia | when i tested there is a massive overhead to all *Scroll* functions and AddMessage() if it causes any scrolling and text actually changes |
| 07:06.11 | Iriel | Have someone post it into cog's suggestions thread? I'd do it but I'm really tired and have to go to bed.. |
| 07:06.17 | Drundia | most notable for "everything" in aoe fights (consider hyjal trash fps goes from 15-20 to 2-4) |
| 07:06.27 | Iriel | If you can't find a willing participant, email me 8-) |
| 07:06.31 | Iriel | or PM me on wowi |
| 07:06.41 | Guillotine | Elkano: I can add it quickly |
| 07:06.49 | Guillotine | want to pastey exactly what you want posted? |
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| 07:10.19 | Iriel | Night all (and thanks Guillotine) |
| 07:10.25 | Guillotine | night Iriel :) |
| 07:10.52 | Elkano | night Iriel |
| 07:11.02 | Cairenn | night Iriel |
| 07:11.14 | Elkano | Guillotine, hmm... will have to write sth up then ^^ |
| 07:12.09 | Elkano | I wonder in which file that return value is used... |
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| 07:16.02 | Guillotine | would I be a bad person for bumping a 4 month old post just to say "Lua isn't an acronym"? |
| 07:16.16 | Cairenn | yes :p |
| 07:16.29 | Guillotine | fine, I'll just link it to the person that asked for it :P |
| 07:16.36 | Cairenn | heh |
| 07:17.15 | Guillotine | we should have a bot that tells us every time someone makes a post saying "LUA" so that we can inform them |
| 07:17.29 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 07:17.48 | zenzio | why go to all the trouble, just add LUA to the "bad words" list and auto-replace it |
| 07:17.50 | Drundia | bot could as well inform himself |
| 07:18.08 | Cairenn | he means in the Blizz forums |
| 07:18.41 | Guillotine | ^^^ |
| 07:19.16 | Cairenn | :) |
| 07:19.30 | Drundia | write a bot for yourself and give him your wow details |
| 07:20.10 | Corrodias | having watched The Big Lebowski, i can only say that was a bit of a trip |
| 07:20.20 | Arrowmaster | umm wtf i found a sparkling mana thistle on quel'danas |
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| 07:20.29 | Arrowmaster | but im not an herbalist |
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| 07:21.07 | Corrodias | do they normally not sparkle for you? |
| 07:21.23 | Corrodias | they're still usable, i know, though you can't actually pick them |
| 07:21.31 | Drundia | it may sound strange..... |
| 07:21.48 | Arrowmaster | normally no they dont sparkle |
| 07:22.00 | Drundia | but it seems global function without upvalues is faster than one with upvalues |
| 07:22.02 | zenzio | they do for me, and I'm blacksmith/miner |
| 07:22.28 | Drundia | or what am i talking about... hmmm.... |
| 07:22.33 | zenzio | I was under the impression that all interactable objects sparkle, regardless of whether you have the proficiency to use them |
| 07:22.49 | Arrowmaster | they never sparkled for me in the past |
| 07:22.53 | zenzio | sometimes the sparkle seems misaligned or just hard to see, at least on ore veins |
| 07:23.18 | Corrodias | that's what your mom said |
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| 07:32.11 | Arel | I've been doing some research into the new event system. This simply can't be right.. the event COMBAT_LOG_EVENT has a SPELL_CAST_SUCCES field, but it seems to only apply to instant spells. |
| 07:32.48 | Nicarras | Any idea why I can get grid missing buffs to show me Spirit, but I cant get it to work right with Fort? |
| 07:34.55 | Arel | for non instants there is UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED which gives me only a name of a target. What idiot designed that. |
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| 07:36.29 | zenzio | you should be careful about calling them idiots. They have their reasons, we're lucky even to be able to do so many types of mods |
| 07:36.33 | zenzio | and I just missed him, ffs |
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| 07:38.07 | batrick | sup shirik |
| 07:43.44 | Shirik|Ecole | hotel connections can die |
| 07:43.45 | Shirik|Ecole | literally |
| 07:43.51 | Shirik|Ecole | also my hardware team can die |
| 07:44.06 | Shirik|Ecole | My code works awesome but the bot doesn't move because they decided the axel of the bot is not supposed to rotate |
| 07:44.13 | Shirik|Ecole | and tightened the nut as far as possible |
| 07:44.21 | Shirik|Ecole | and I don't know enough about hardware to fix that |
| 07:44.41 | Shirik|Ecole | so now I'm going to sleep about 3 hours before I wanted to; time I wanted to spend testing the code; because they're all asleep |
| 07:44.59 | Guillotine | wake them up |
| 07:45.20 | Shirik|Ecole | I don't have their room key |
| 07:45.35 | Shirik|Ecole | though this is hilarious - we brought the court with us |
| 07:45.37 | Guillotine | http://www.prankdialer.com/ works well if you have a phone # |
| 07:45.41 | Shirik|Ecole | and it's literally in the hotel room |
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| 07:46.41 | batrick | shirik have a beer and go to bed |
| 07:46.42 | batrick | imo |
| 07:46.56 | Shirik|Ecole | meh |
| 07:47.12 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm just worried because tomorrow is the day before the competition and we'll only have like 30 real minutes to test on-court |
| 07:47.20 | Shirik|Ecole | and instead, everyone's just being stupid |
| 07:48.14 | Guillotine | I really need to go shopping :( cinnamon waffle for dinner FTL |
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| 07:51.37 | batrick | night all |
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| 07:52.21 | Shirik|Ecole | batrick: still here? |
| 07:53.40 | Shirik|Ecole | You know, what is the purpose of statements like these? By using this Site and the Service, you hereby warrant and represent that you have all necessary rights, power and authority to agree to these Terms and perform your obligations hereunder, |
| 07:53.52 | Shirik|Ecole | If I can't agree to it, how are you going to hold me accountable for violating that line? |
| 07:54.02 | Shirik|Ecole | I obviously can't agree to that either |
| 08:00.21 | Drundia | i did some lookup timing experiments in wow http://wowi.pastey.net/85061 |
| 08:00.56 | Drundia | apparently local table key isn't any faster than random global |
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| 08:02.16 | Shirik|Ecole | that's because they're the same operation |
| 08:03.33 | wereHamster | myglobal.a and myglobal['a'] translate to the same opcodes |
| 08:03.34 | Drundia | the interesting part is that numeric keys are slower if they aren't created by constructor {v1, v2, v3, ...}, in fact {[1]=v1, [2]=v2, [3]=v3, ...} is much slower |
| 08:03.49 | wereHamster | they are just syntactic suggar |
| 08:04.15 | Shirik|Ecole | Drundia, you would be far better off if you looked at decompiled lua bytecode than trying to time this... |
| 08:04.27 | Drundia | yes probably |
| 08:04.31 | Drundia | they aren't as it seems |
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| 08:04.40 | Drundia | they have about double access time |
| 08:12.00 | Drundia | they are like doing two table lookups |
| 08:12.00 | Wobin | hum |
| 08:12.00 | Wobin | oh. Flikr |
| 08:12.00 | Wobin | nm answered my own question |
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| 08:12.01 | Shirik | Drundia: again, look at the bytecode |
| 08:12.01 | Shirik | the difference is obvious |
| 08:12.01 | Drundia | wtb decompiler |
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| 08:12.01 | Shirik | one uses SETLIST, one uses SETTABLE |
| 08:12.01 | wereHamster | t1 = { 1 } -> NEWTABLE 0 1 0 |
| 08:12.01 | wereHamster | t2 = { [1] = 1 } -> NEWTABLE 0 0 1 |
| 08:12.01 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/85062 |
| 08:12.01 | Drundia | wtb decompiler i want to look at that myself |
| 08:12.01 | Shirik | don't you have lua? |
| 08:12.02 | Drundia | i don't think it came with it.... |
| 08:12.03 | wereHamster | luac lua-file; luac -l luac.out |
| 08:12.03 | Drundia | ah like that |
| 08:12.03 | Shirik | er |
| 08:12.03 | Shirik | you only need luac -l luafile |
| 08:12.03 | Shirik | or luac -l luafile > luac.out |
| 08:12.03 | Shirik | no need to compile it first |
| 08:12.03 | wereHamster | luac --help :) |
| 08:12.03 | Drundia | yes, i think i should have done it once |
| 08:12.03 | Drundia | maybe i'd knew it |
| 08:12.04 | Shirik | tbh I think Lua should try to do a few more basic optimizations |
| 08:12.04 | Shirik | like that one |
| 08:12.04 | Shirik | certainly nothing incredibly complicated, but things like this should be detected |
| 08:12.12 | wereHamster | also see http://pgl.yoyo.org/luai/i/lua_createtable |
| 08:12.15 | Wobin | omg win: http://syndicated.livejournal.com/riba_rambles/1113500.html |
| 08:12.25 | Arrowmaster | lua doesnt do a lot of things to keep it small for embeding |
| 08:12.41 | wereHamster | Shirik, depends on how tables/lists are implemented internally.. |
| 08:12.53 | Shirik | I know, but still |
| 08:13.04 | Shirik | anyway, I need sleep, so vanish |
| 08:13.07 | Shirik | paiece |
| 08:13.19 | wereHamster | take t2 = { 1, [10] = 1 } for example.. currently it does NEWTABLE 0 1 1; SETTABLE; SETLIST; |
| 08:13.21 | Cairenn | night Shirik |
| 08:14.00 | Drundia | [1] will be fast, [10] will be slow |
| 08:14.16 | wereHamster | you sure? |
| 08:14.44 | Drundia | yes, 1 should be looked in array and will be found there |
| 08:14.53 | Arrowmaster | also look at the difference between object:method(var) and object.method(self, var) apparently theres a speed difference although you wouldnt think there would be |
| 08:14.59 | Drundia | 10 will be looked for in array too, but won't be found there and therefore will be slow |
| 08:15.39 | wereHamster | slow_er_, not slow |
| 08:16.34 | Drundia | evil |
| 08:17.24 | Drundia | oh noes nerf |
| 08:17.32 | Drundia | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:17.47 | wereHamster | Arrowmaster, because lua has the assembler command 'SELF' which it uses in the object:method(var) case |
| 08:17.48 | Drundia | t2[1] is slower than if table was only array |
| 08:17.53 | Drundia | but t2[10] is even slower |
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| 08:18.38 | Antiarc | o.0 |
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| 08:25.27 | Guillotine | Drundia: think of tables indexed by something other than array as two arrays. It has to find out which spot in an array corresponds to a name (#s are treated same as names unless its an array) and then find what is in that spot. When its an array, it just does the second part |
| 08:25.55 | Guillotine | hmm, that didn't make much sense. I should probably head to bed |
| 08:26.38 | waj | lol |
| 08:27.13 | Guillotine | I'll retype that in a more legible fashion when I wake up :( g'night all! |
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| 08:29.12 | wereHamster | http://pastey.net/85065 |
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| 08:34.51 | Cairenn | wb krka |
| 08:35.07 | krka | wait... what? |
| 08:35.10 | krka | renamed? |
| 08:35.12 | Drundia | it's still strange that in t={[1]=true} t[1] is looked up slower than t[a] or t['a'] in t={a=true} |
| 08:35.19 | Cairenn | channel name change, need people to leave and re-join so the auto-forward kicks in :) |
| 08:35.19 | Drundia | where could they lose so much? |
| 08:35.25 | krka | this messes up my irssi settings :( |
| 08:35.27 | krka | oh well |
| 08:35.31 | Cairenn | shouldn't |
| 08:35.42 | krka | it gets a new channel number |
| 08:35.43 | Cairenn | auto-forwarder, so as to make it painless |
| 08:35.45 | Cairenn | ahhhh |
| 08:35.46 | Cairenn | sorry |
| 08:35.51 | krka | np, i can fix it |
| 08:36.21 | Drundia | of course we are talking about 6ms for doing it 100000 times on my computer, but it's still like forever |
| 08:36.24 | krka | Drundia: why is that strange? |
| 08:36.35 | krka | the integer key needs an extra range check |
| 08:36.53 | Drundia | there is that if (0 < i && i <= t->sizearray) /* is `key' inside array part? */ after all |
| 08:36.54 | krka | also a check to see if it's an integer or a double |
| 08:36.59 | Drundia | well that's the check |
| 08:37.08 | Drundia | from that source code wereHamster posted |
| 08:38.25 | wereHamster | doesn't t={[1]=true} insert the boolean into the hash table rathen then the 'normal' array? |
| 08:38.57 | wereHamster | t={[1]=true} does SETTABLE rather then SETLIST |
| 08:38.59 | Drundia | it does |
| 08:39.14 | Drundia | but t={a=true} looks up t.a faster |
| 08:39.22 | Drundia | that's what is the problem |
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| 08:39.39 | Drundia | if number is looked up in hash table it works much slower |
| 08:40.00 | Drundia | 2 times slower sounds like a lot |
| 08:40.06 | Drundia | if you do it a lot |
| 08:40.07 | wereHamster | no surprise there, t={[1]=true} needs an extra check |
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| 08:40.21 | krka | yay, fixed my settings |
| 08:40.30 | Cairenn | good :) |
| 08:40.40 | Drundia | if we look at that source code at http://pastey.net/85065 |
| 08:40.48 | Drundia | like look again |
| 08:41.11 | Drundia | on line 9 it parses key regardless of what it is |
| 08:41.14 | wereHamster | you are missing important parts of the sourcecode, like arrayindex() etc |
| 08:41.36 | Drundia | so it's much slower for numbers then? |
| 08:41.45 | wereHamster | yes |
| 08:41.51 | wereHamster | if (ttisnumber(key)) { ... } |
| 08:41.56 | Drundia | line 10 can't really be slow |
| 08:42.11 | wereHamster | there goes your 6ms |
| 08:42.13 | Drundia | it has only stuff we know and is supposed to be pretty fast |
| 08:42.55 | Drundia | though as i said t={true, [10]=true} has even slower lookups for both |
| 08:43.01 | wereHamster | I think the lua_number2int() is what slows you down |
| 08:43.16 | Drundia | another bonus 3-4 ms for 100000 iterations |
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| 08:43.33 | krka | imo, i think it was a mistake to mix both array and hash |
| 08:43.40 | wereHamster | t={true, [10]=true} looking up [1] or [10] ? |
| 08:43.44 | Drundia | well |
| 08:44.06 | Drundia | [1] takes 11 ms per 100000 |
| 08:44.15 | Drundia | [10] takes 16 ms per 100000 |
| 08:44.22 | wereHamster | krka, IMO it makes sense, array lookup is faster then searching in a hash table.. |
| 08:44.24 | Drundia | if table has only array or only hash |
| 08:44.30 | Drundia | it's 6 vs 12 |
| 08:44.40 | krka | wereHamster: better to keep it as two separate data types |
| 08:44.41 | Drundia | vs 11 even |
| 08:45.17 | Drundia | lua_number2int shouldn't be slow either |
| 08:45.21 | krka | that's how i do it in kahlua btw |
| 08:45.29 | krka | and i still have the table semantics intact |
| 08:45.30 | Drundia | where can we slow at conversion and reading some weird type flag? |
| 08:45.39 | krka | i only have hash part in lua tables |
| 08:45.51 | wereHamster | Drundia, lua_number2int() is a 'float to int' cast, it certainly slows you donw |
| 08:46.19 | Mikk | oh ow man.. kahlua.. i didn't know that was the name of your java lua. excellent name :) |
| 08:46.25 | Drundia | doesn't coprocessor do it in some fast way? |
| 08:46.42 | wereHamster | it can, but it's still slower then a noop |
| 08:46.45 | Drundia | or it's not coprocessor job? |
| 08:46.51 | Mikk | it should be with a sane compile |
| 08:46.58 | krka | (i have a userdata type for plain arrays) |
| 08:47.02 | Drundia | i still don't know |
| 08:47.09 | Drundia | it can look up hash |
| 08:47.21 | Drundia | faster than it converts float to int |
| 08:47.28 | Mikk | but if you're compiling for e.g. 386 compatibility, float->int cast will be a bunch of code being run. |
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| 08:47.33 | Mikk | and lots of people still do |
| 08:47.44 | wereHamster | lua uses either fld/fistp assembler, or some 'union' magic, or let the compiler do it (C cast) |
| 08:47.59 | Drundia | so we blame wow programmers for compiling for 386 compatibility? |
| 08:48.12 | Mikk | i have no idea what slouken compiles for |
| 08:48.14 | Drundia | i doubt they could fail like that |
| 08:48.17 | Mikk | i'd hope it isn't 386 compat |
| 08:48.21 | wereHamster | did you run the lua code in standalone lua? |
| 08:48.27 | Drundia | uhm no |
| 08:48.40 | Drundia | what were good timing functions for standalone? |
| 08:48.51 | krka | os.clock |
| 08:48.52 | Mikk | os.clock() |
| 08:49.03 | krka | os.clock() is a value - not a function ;) |
| 08:49.44 | Drundia | once at start and then at end |
| 08:49.59 | Drundia | let's try and see |
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| 08:52.10 | Cairenn | welcome back Indy |
| 08:52.29 | Cairenn | channel name change, need to re-join for the auto-forward to kick in |
| 08:52.45 | Drundia | precision sucks.... |
| 08:52.55 | Industrial | oic |
| 08:53.09 | Cairenn | :) |
| 08:54.04 | krka | Drundia: so loop it |
| 08:54.36 | Drundia | mostly same results |
| 08:54.46 | Drundia | though numeric indices are accessed faster through hash tables |
| 08:54.57 | Drundia | in particular [0] is accessed faster |
| 08:55.08 | Drundia | almost as fast as [1] in array |
| 08:55.26 | Drundia | still non-number hashes are faster than number hashes |
| 08:55.39 | Drundia | local lookup is slower |
| 08:56.03 | krka | [0] is never stored in the array anyway |
| 08:56.08 | Drundia | but index lookup in local table is faster |
| 08:56.19 | Drundia | i mean the same |
| 08:56.34 | krka | local table? |
| 08:56.39 | Drundia | yes |
| 08:57.04 | Drundia | local t={true}; local x=t[1] is same |
| 08:57.13 | Drundia | but local t=true; local x=t is slower |
| 08:57.25 | Industrial | :o |
| 08:57.25 | Drundia | second one is inside loop too |
| 08:57.34 | Drundia | same and slower compared to wow |
| 08:57.44 | Drundia | of course second is faster than first |
| 08:59.04 | Drundia | i remember someone posted once long time ago about numerical tables that they are sometimes optimized to move some hashed values into array |
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| 09:00.54 | p30n | yo Cairenn =) |
| 09:00.57 | Cairenn | hi |
| 09:01.06 | Cairenn | drop from the other, please :) |
| 09:01.14 | p30n | like that? :p |
| 09:01.18 | Cairenn | indeed |
| 09:01.24 | Cairenn | channel name change, need to re-join for the auto-forward to kick in |
| 09:01.25 | Mikk | Drundia: how long times are you seeing? you'll want a total loop time of over 1 second to get anywhere remotely accurate readings |
| 09:01.33 | p30n | but, i migth miss some valuable ranting now :/ |
| 09:01.40 | Mikk | Timings in 0.1s-land are NOT accurate |
| 09:02.04 | p30n | anywho, is Omen working as it should know? |
| 09:02.04 | krka | hm, afair, the reason to use array part is for memory efficiency, not speed |
| 09:02.12 | p30n | the one from 29april didnt sync for me last night on raids.. |
| 09:02.27 | krka | the lua authors probably decided that the speed penalty was negligable |
| 09:02.52 | Mikk | Omen has been having interop problems with different versions lately. Please spank Antiarc. The last couple of days you've pretty much HAD to have everyone on the same version. |
| 09:02.58 | Mikk | It should be resolved now though. |
| 09:03.13 | krka | btw, i got 12.81 seconds for integer lookup in array part and 10.86 for string lookup in hash part |
| 09:03.16 | Drundia | well i actually fail to deal with accuracy a bit you are right |
| 09:03.26 | Drundia | local t=true; local x=t isn't slower |
| 09:03.30 | p30n | Mikk: so newest version should sync all? backwards also ? |
| 09:03.33 | Drundia | other than that measurements are correct |
| 09:03.52 | Mikk | p30n: I don't know the details. Best to get everyone to update now |
| 09:04.08 | p30n | Mikk: allright, thanks |
| 09:04.34 | nevcairiel | The last serious bug was resolved on tuesday iirc, everyone needs to updat to a version after that. |
| 09:05.48 | Kalroth | nev plans on adding new serious bugs next week though, he likes the attention! |
| 09:05.57 | nevcairiel | of course |
| 09:06.21 | Drundia | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:06.30 | Drundia | yes it seems arrays are slower than hashes |
| 09:06.41 | Drundia | or do you use double table? |
| 09:06.48 | Drundia | what tables did you use? |
| 09:09.06 | krka | i used a single table, containing 1000 integer entries and 1000 hash entries |
| 09:09.32 | Drundia | apparently lua tables fail |
| 09:09.39 | krka | not really fail |
| 09:09.42 | wereHamster | fail at what? |
| 09:09.52 | Drundia | at performance |
| 09:10.04 | Drundia | when it comes to integers |
| 09:10.20 | wereHamster | are the table lookups slow? why do you need a better performance? |
| 09:10.58 | Drundia | quite honestly i want t[1] to be faster than t['a'] |
| 09:11.31 | Drundia | in fact i want t[1] to be closer to t than t['a'] |
| 09:11.40 | wereHamster | with the current code, that's impossible |
| 09:13.03 | Drundia | never say impossible |
| 09:13.14 | Drundia | but yes with current code *cough* |
| 09:13.43 | wereHamster | there is additional code executed when the key is a number, more code executed can't be slower than no code |
| 09:13.52 | Drundia | instanced now current code will stay the same forever |
| 09:14.17 | Drundia | when key is number there is no hash table lookup |
| 09:14.26 | Drundia | are hash tables that fast? global string hash table? |
| 09:15.07 | wereHamster | what has 'global string hash table' to do with it? |
| 09:15.20 | krka | wtf? more code executed can't be slower than no code |
| 09:15.42 | Drundia | if there is global string hash table |
| 09:15.47 | Drundia | (let me think well) |
| 09:15.47 | wereHamster | if you execute any code, it will never be slower then if you execute no code at all |
| 09:16.00 | Drundia | you don't need to hash string |
| 09:16.05 | Drundia | every time |
| 09:16.05 | wereHamster | yes, but t['a'] will not access it |
| 09:16.05 | krka | i think it's the opposite wereHamster |
| 09:16.27 | wereHamster | ~fail wereHamster |
| 09:16.28 | purl | You suck at everything in life, wereHamster. I hate you because you fail. |
| 09:16.46 | krka | the global string hash table is just used in string construction |
| 09:16.47 | wereHamster | omg, I really do |
| 09:16.47 | Drundia | does ~phail also work? |
| 09:16.52 | Drundia | ~phail wereHamster |
| 09:16.53 | Antiarc | At least purl's honest. |
| 09:16.58 | Drundia | oh noes it doesn't |
| 09:17.27 | krka | basically, the lua hash lookup code is really good |
| 09:17.30 | Drundia | so when there is t['a'] we have to lookup for value in hash part |
| 09:17.42 | krka | faster than the additional tests in number check |
| 09:17.45 | Drundia | that's clearly some extra code too |
| 09:17.56 | krka | it lookups by address |
| 09:18.03 | krka | the address for 'a' is already known |
| 09:18.11 | Drundia | ok |
| 09:18.16 | Drundia | when we lookup t['a'] |
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| 09:18.25 | Drundia | address of a in hash table is already compiled there? |
| 09:18.36 | Drundia | expected address |
| 09:18.44 | krka | compiled? |
| 09:18.52 | krka | the variable that contains the string 'a' is actually just a pointer to the string |
| 09:18.52 | Drundia | in lua bytecode |
| 09:19.03 | Drundia | i didn't use variable |
| 09:19.09 | wereHamster | no, there's just GETTABLE "a" |
| 09:19.11 | krka | the lookup is just: internal_table[hashfunction(adress)] |
| 09:19.11 | Drundia | i used plain ['a'] |
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| 09:19.24 | krka | (+ collision handling) |
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| 09:20.44 | Drundia | so it encounters 'a' without knowing its hash. and hashes it faster than converting float or even more like double to int? |
| 09:21.10 | Drundia | of course i understand that |
| 09:21.13 | Drundia | ~fail Drundia |
| 09:21.14 | purl | Drundia: FAIL! |
| 09:21.34 | Drundia | but i still yes |
| 09:21.39 | Drundia | ~fail Drundia |
| 09:21.40 | purl | Drundia: FAIL! |
| 09:21.56 | Drundia | to understand how does it do t['a'] faster than t[1] if t[1] is in array part |
| 09:21.59 | krka | hm, actually string data are an exception i think |
| 09:22.08 | krka | the hashes get precomputed at creation time |
| 09:22.18 | Drundia | then we have an explanation |
| 09:22.31 | wereHamster | #define hashstr(t,str) hashpow2(t, (str)->tsv.hash); #define hashpow2(t,n) (gnode(t, lmod((n), sizenode(t)))) |
| 09:22.46 | Drundia | but we still hash some address |
| 09:22.58 | wereHamster | #define gnode(t,i) (&(t)->node[i]) |
| 09:23.09 | krka | no, the string hash is actually a hash of some of the characters in the string |
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| 09:23.47 | Drundia | and then string address is stored in address based on hash of its characters. that's understandable part. |
| 09:24.01 | wereHamster | http://pastey.net/85068 |
| 09:27.15 | Drundia | so non-string non-integer keys should be slowest |
| 09:27.30 | Drundia | if i don't fail again |
| 09:28.51 | wereHamster | why do you care so much about such small part of lua performance? in the WoW UI these differences don't matter |
| 09:29.21 | wereHamster | anyway, I have to go |
| 09:30.40 | Drundia | mostly because of countless upvalues in blizzard_combatlog |
| 09:30.50 | Drundia | see you |
| 09:48.38 | wereHamster | what have upvalues to do with table lookups? |
| 09:53.31 | Drundia | earlier i suggested to replace upvalues with values in local table. apparently that is the same as using globals and there is no way it can be faster. |
| 09:54.50 | Drundia | but from what i see AddMessage() overhead for scrolling is times bigger than timings on combat log functions. so if the internal interface bug was fixed by speeding up addon i think upvalues can be abandoned. |
| 09:55.18 | Drundia | when the bug is getting fixed upvalues can be abandoned |
| 09:55.27 | Drundia | as for internal interface bug it needs workaround |
| 09:55.36 | Drundia | there is no overhead if there isno scrolling or frame is hidden |
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| 10:11.49 | Wedge | Hello? Anyone here? |
| 10:12.34 | Drundia | no |
| 10:12.38 | Wedge | :) |
| 10:13.15 | Wedge | Just checking |
| 10:17.55 | Cide | wtf? |
| 10:18.13 | Drundia | So were all those upvalues put in Combat Log because of some performance issues during refiltering or what? AlexanderYoshi, Xinhuan, any of you here and knows? :) |
| 10:18.37 | Xinhuan | uh, antiarc and me did those |
| 10:19.34 | Xinhuan | the original version was creating 200 tables every second |
| 10:19.55 | Drundia | hmmm tables |
| 10:20.06 | Drundia | well the thing |
| 10:20.22 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: make sure alex removes the COMBATLOG upvalue for me |
| 10:20.26 | Drundia | i tested some random crap related to it around know |
| 10:20.37 | Xinhuan | tell him directly, he's in the channel ~_~ |
| 10:20.51 | Arrowmaster | you talk to him more often than i do |
| 10:20.53 | Drundia | and i came to a conclusion that current overhead on AddMessage() is about 10 times slower than CombatLog_OnEvent() |
| 10:21.07 | Drundia | the difference between upvalues and globals is notable |
| 10:21.11 | Drundia | but not even close to 10 times |
| 10:21.29 | Xinhuan | lets just say, the current combat log uses about 17% cpu and 30% ram of the original :) |
| 10:21.36 | Xinhuan | or was it the other way |
| 10:21.44 | Drundia | so quite honestly i say slouken should fix scrolling and upvalues should be removed |
| 10:21.44 | Xinhuan | 17% ram and 30% cpu |
| 10:21.49 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: my h4x http://wowuidev.pastey.net/85058 |
| 10:22.09 | Xinhuan | lolhack |
| 10:22.19 | Drundia | well, yeah it's nice overall |
| 10:22.21 | Antiarc | The combat log, in its first iteration, would have had your clients screaming for mercy in a raid :P |
| 10:22.22 | Drundia | but without upvalues |
| 10:22.35 | Drundia | it's still pretty fast |
| 10:22.46 | Drundia | as long as you deal with scrolling bug |
| 10:22.48 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: notice what im setting ChatFrame2 to |
| 10:23.07 | Drundia | btw Arrowmaster |
| 10:23.10 | Drundia | ChatFrame2 |
| 10:23.17 | Drundia | COMBATLOG is reference to the same table |
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| 10:23.28 | Arrowmaster | its an upvalue, you cant change it |
| 10:23.35 | Xinhuan | what are you doing |
| 10:23.38 | Drundia | but it's reference! |
| 10:23.41 | nevcairiel | wasnt COMBATLOG a global? |
| 10:23.45 | Arrowmaster | it is |
| 10:23.49 | Drundia | ChatFrame2[0] == COMBATLOG[0] |
| 10:23.54 | Drundia | ChatFrame2[0] === COMBATLOG[0] |
| 10:24.14 | Arrowmaster | but Blizzard_CombatLog does 'COMBATLOG = ChatFrame2' then 'local COMBATLOG = COMBATLOG' |
| 10:24.18 | Drundia | if you modify ChatFrame2[0] = ChatFrame4[0] you fake COMBATLOG to deal with ChatFrame2 for example |
| 10:24.25 | Drundia | it doesn't matter |
| 10:24.29 | Drundia | it's still same 1 table |
| 10:24.36 | Xinhuan | where Arrowmaster? |
| 10:24.58 | Xinhuan | oh line 315 |
| 10:25.03 | Xinhuan | it shouldn't have been there |
| 10:25.03 | Drundia | let me actually try it |
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| 10:25.36 | Arrowmaster | its a proxy table |
| 10:25.52 | Arrowmaster | after that function is run COMBATLOG ~= ChatFrame2 |
| 10:26.22 | Arrowmaster | so when AddMessage() is called you can tell where it was called from by the self var |
| 10:27.17 | Drundia | ok /script cf2org = CopyTable(ChatFrame2); ChatFrame2[0]=ChatFrame4[0]; ChatFrame2=cf2org; didn't quite work..... CopyTable gave me some errors and lag, so simple way doesn't work |
| 10:27.23 | Arrowmaster | but COMBATLOG[0] == ChatFrame2[0] so the real AddMessage() and any other widget api function will still act like COMBATLOG == ChatFrame2 |
| 10:27.54 | Arrowmaster | ChatFrame2[0] is userdata |
| 10:27.58 | Drundia | yes |
| 10:28.11 | Drundia | it's how functions determine ui object |
| 10:28.35 | Tem|afk | krka, you big cheater |
| 10:28.43 | Drundia | it's userdata to internal c objects |
| 10:28.52 | Tem|afk | ALMOST |
| 10:28.58 | Tem|afk | it's LIGHT userdata |
| 10:29.00 | Drundia | make it nil and frame becomes unusable |
| 10:29.05 | Tem|afk | so it's just a pointer |
| 10:29.18 | Tem|afk | as a result, it won't be garbage collected |
| 10:29.31 | Tem|afk | krka, you just parse bytecode |
| 10:29.49 | Tem|afk | which, I suppose, is completely appropriate for a VM |
| 10:29.54 | Tem|afk | but =P |
| 10:30.02 | Tem|afk | I was curious to see the generation of bytecode |
| 10:30.04 | Tem|afk | in java |
| 10:31.22 | Arrowmaster | i didnt bother testing if the widget funcs did rawgets on [0] or if they would follow metatables |
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| 10:32.12 | Drundia | well it almost swaps them save a few bugs /script temp=ChatFrame2[0]; ChatFrame2[0]=ChatFrame4[0]; ChatFrame4[0]=ChatFrame2[0] |
| 10:32.18 | Drundia | pfff |
| 10:32.20 | Drundia | stupid me |
| 10:32.25 | Drundia | where do i set it back to temp |
| 10:32.37 | Drundia | temp=ChatFrame2[0]; ChatFrame2[0]=ChatFrame4[0]; ChatFrame4[0]=temp |
| 10:32.43 | Drundia | or even |
| 10:32.57 | Drundia | ChatFrame2[0],ChatFrame4[0]=ChatFrame4[0],ChatFrame2[0] |
| 10:39.16 | Drundia | anyway COMBATLOG is last thing i would care about. you can rearrage chat windows the way you like |
| 10:40.34 | Drundia | also that variable for timestamp is always on global lookup |
| 10:40.42 | Drundia | that defaults to "$time>" |
| 10:42.36 | krka | Tem|afk: i have considered writing a compiler too |
| 10:42.57 | krka | but 1) it's a lot of work. 2) it will increase the code size by double or triple 3) it will probably introduce a lot of bugs |
| 10:43.26 | Tem|afk | heh |
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| 10:55.15 | Drundia | speaking of weird optimizations |
| 10:55.45 | Drundia | accessing t[1] is slower for "t={[1]=true}" than "t={}; t[1]=true" |
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| 10:55.59 | Drundia | lua is strange |
| 10:56.29 | Cide | probably because t[1] is a hash table |
| 10:56.33 | Cide | err, the former |
| 10:57.09 | Drundia | this is quite strange really |
| 10:57.14 | Drundia | it converts to array in latter |
| 10:57.18 | Drundia | but doesn't in former |
| 10:57.24 | Cide | because of [#] |
| 10:57.28 | Cide | it was changed in lua 5.1 |
| 10:57.40 | Cide | it'll be as fast if you do t = { true } I'm sure |
| 10:57.57 | Drundia | latter has as fast access as t={true} |
| 10:58.13 | Cide | that's what I just said :P |
| 10:58.25 | Drundia | yes, but why is it different? |
| 10:58.40 | Drundia | why does it optimize in once case but not another? |
| 10:58.49 | Cide | ask #lua |
| 10:58.53 | Drundia | good idea |
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| 11:04.20 | wereHamster | wait, are upvalues as slow as global variables? |
| 11:05.09 | nevcairiel | no |
| 11:05.14 | nevcairiel | upvalues are much faster |
| 11:05.36 | Arrowmaster | i think it was the table lookups that he was finding the same speed as globals |
| 11:05.56 | wereHamster | < Drundia> earlier i suggested to replace upvalues with values in local table. <- then what would be the point in that? |
| 11:06.35 | Arrowmaster | so that the table could be made global too i think |
| 11:06.39 | nevcairiel | local < upvalues < table lookups |
| 11:06.52 | krka | perhaps drundia should design and implement his own language :) |
| 11:07.17 | wereHamster | Arrowmaster: why make the upvalues available to the global environment? |
| 11:07.27 | Arrowmaster | so they could be changed |
| 11:08.43 | wereHamster | it's not like the upvalues are persistent so why change them? |
| 11:08.53 | wereHamster | or are they? |
| 11:08.59 | Arrowmaster | some are |
| 11:09.40 | wereHamster | holding what kinds of variables? |
| 11:09.48 | Arrowmaster | i dont know exactly which upvalues others were having problems with |
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| 11:13.57 | Drundia | upvalues are about as fast as locals |
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| 11:21.46 | Drundia | CombatLog_OnEvent |
| 11:22.02 | Drundia | it even has global copy, but entire thing uses local to combat log one anyway |
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| 11:33.53 | JoshBorke | hm |
| 11:33.55 | JoshBorke | no clad yet |
| 11:35.43 | Drundia | who was clad? lua_bot? |
| 11:36.26 | JoshBorke | cladhaire |
| 11:36.58 | Drundia | he owns lua_bot right? |
| 11:38.53 | JoshBorke | yea |
| 11:38.56 | wereHamster | Drundia, why don't you use batbot instead? |
| 11:39.01 | Drundia | i do |
| 11:39.21 | JoshBorke | you can always join #luabot |
| 11:39.42 | Drundia | there can't be too many bots :) |
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| 11:50.44 | Cide | Cidebot > * |
| 11:51.00 | Cide | every other bot is just a copycat |
| 11:53.27 | Drundia | wtb |
| 11:53.44 | Olison | sup with CideBot? |
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| 12:05.55 | Cide | >>> "this is what's up" |
| 12:05.55 | Cide | Cide: "this is what's up" |
| 12:10.24 | ralfWORK | sigh |
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| 12:10.47 | ralfWORK | why would a KZ level destro lock who's 475 tailoring *not* be using the FSW set? |
| 12:12.05 | ralfWORK | *375 |
| 12:15.04 | ralfWORK | or not use Ritsyn's necklace? |
| 12:15.08 | ralfWORK | (however you spell it) |
| 12:15.45 | [Ammo] | because the necklace didn't drop for him? |
| 12:15.51 | [Ammo] | (it has never dropped for my lock :() |
| 12:15.59 | [Ammo] | and I did karazhan 30 times or so |
| 12:16.25 | ralfWORK | nope. he said he had it |
| 12:16.38 | ralfWORK | last time I was in KZ with him, it dropped, and I ended up sharding it |
| 12:18.28 | ralfWORK | (I'm sure that makes you mad, but I'm just saying he has it :P) |
| 12:22.09 | Drundia | 475? :O |
| 12:22.18 | Drundia | that's cool to see |
| 12:22.24 | Drundia | even when fixed |
| 12:22.31 | Drundia | is he fire maybe? |
| 12:22.37 | ralfWORK | he's destro. idk |
| 12:22.47 | Drundia | does he prefer fire? |
| 12:22.56 | ralfWORK | let's see |
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| 12:23.56 | ralfWORK | on nalorakk last night |
| 12:24.16 | ralfWORK | 65 shadow bolts, 9 incinerate, 5 immolate |
| 12:24.38 | ralfWORK | corruption was 5% but it doesn't tell me how many hits |
| 12:24.44 | ralfWORK | (no, I don't have a warlock) |
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| 12:26.35 | ralfWORK | idk. maybe they are in PVP gear or something |
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| 12:37.38 | Xinhuan | http://www.wintrest.com/how-background-people-ruin-your-photos/ |
| 12:37.41 | Xinhuan | NSFW |
| 12:39.36 | Lopeppeppy | Nice. *laugh* |
| 12:39.44 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 12:40.39 | haste | haha |
| 12:44.52 | Tem|afk | I'm not sure if I should be disturbed that I had seen _all_ of those photos before |
| 12:45.33 | Lopeppeppy | Oh dear, Tem. You live in interesting space. :) |
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| 13:17.40 | haste | I'm more disturbed over the fact that I hadn't seen any of those |
| 13:20.53 | Lopeppeppy | I'd never seen them either, but I'm cute and innocent. |
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| 13:21.44 | Cide | uh huh. |
| 13:21.59 | Polarina | Yes? |
| 13:22.09 | Cide | not you |
| 13:22.21 | Polarina | Carry on then. :) |
| 13:23.36 | Lopeppeppy | Well.... of those kinds of things, Cide. *laugh* |
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| 13:25.56 | zenzio | innocent... like a fox |
| 13:26.18 | Lopeppeppy | Well, I'm not dumb enough to toss the rabbit into the briar patch, so maybe I'm a step ahead of the fox. |
| 13:26.46 | zenzio | so you're saying you're not foxy? |
| 13:27.00 | Lopeppeppy | I'm a bit more modest than all that. |
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| 13:32.33 | wereHamster | screenshot pls |
| 13:33.05 | Polarina | It takes a while. :) |
| 13:33.13 | wereHamster | to take a SS? |
| 13:33.22 | Polarina | To hack Wine. :) |
| 13:33.23 | haste | the hacking I guess |
| 13:33.39 | wereHamster | ah, I thought you already hacked wine.. |
| 13:33.49 | Polarina | I'm working on it. |
| 13:34.05 | haste | hack faster! |
| 13:34.09 | haste | I'm leaving soon |
| 13:34.10 | wereHamster | I once had wow rendered in wireframe mode, was fun to play :) |
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| 13:34.35 | Polarina | haste: Sorry then. :( |
| 13:34.48 | haste | >:( |
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| 13:35.14 | Polarina | haste: I can wait for you before I release the screenshot though. :) |
| 13:35.44 | haste | You should have WoW rendered as wireframe and replace the models with the ones used here: http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/3228/gw206fg3.jpg |
| 13:36.04 | Polarina | haste: That's too complicated... |
| 13:36.05 | haste | I won't be back on IRC until later today then |
| 13:36.10 | haste | :D |
| 13:36.12 | Polarina | haste: No problem. :) |
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| 13:36.21 | Mikk | On the plus side, CSI is up for a 9th season. On the argh side William Peterson is now getting $600K. Per episode. |
| 13:36.36 | haste | would be nice if you could highlight me with a screenshot of it tho' :3 |
| 13:38.12 | Polarina | :) |
| 13:38.46 | krka | Mikk: i am selling! i will sell you one SEK for every USD |
| 13:38.54 | Polarina | This is going to be fun! :D |
| 13:40.26 | haste | probably not |
| 13:40.31 | Polarina | Phew.. :P |
| 13:40.41 | haste | you can check that by monitoring the bw usage |
| 13:41.20 | Polarina | But just in case... |
| 13:41.22 | Polarina | /me hacks Wine to prevent WoW from taking screenshots (and crashes instead to prevent Warden for reporting such failure). |
| 13:42.03 | Polarina | Ups.. |
| 13:42.36 | Cide | ... |
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| 14:14.36 | Vangual | oh fancy, channel redirection |
| 14:14.45 | deltron | ^ |
| 14:15.01 | Lopeppeppy | Very fancy! |
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| 14:15.26 | Lopeppeppy | Morning zenzelezz. |
| 14:15.38 | zenzelezz | not really, but thanks |
| 14:15.42 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 14:15.45 | zenzelezz | it's what, an hour since I spoke to you? |
| 14:16.43 | Lopeppeppy | Oops, I wasn't paying attention. *hangs head* |
| 14:16.54 | zenzelezz | <-- zenzio |
| 14:17.07 | Lopeppeppy | Oh. Then I *was* paying attention! |
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| 14:20.07 | Josh_Borke | hm, still no clad |
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| 14:25.46 | Vangual | hmm, default ui only restriction in the pvp tournament endgames, that's gonna be interesting |
| 14:26.01 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 14:26.02 | nevcairiel | nice |
| 14:26.18 | zenzelezz | my sixth sense is telling me there'll be much QQ about this |
| 14:26.35 | Vangual | definitely |
| 14:26.42 | Josh_Borke | wow, that will make it much harder |
| 14:26.42 | nevcairiel | let them QQ :P |
| 14:27.42 | Lopeppeppy | That will be fun. *chuckles* |
| 14:28.25 | Arrowmaster | haha |
| 14:29.17 | Arrowmaster | i bet some noname wins because everybody else doesnt enter due to protest |
| 14:29.45 | Vangual | heh quite possible |
| 14:29.54 | nevcairiel | i dont think so |
| 14:30.09 | nevcairiel | the final prices are too high to just protest it |
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| 14:30.23 | Vangual | at least the turnover rate in the early finals might be quite high |
| 14:33.18 | Mikk | Am I dreaming or did we get an API to get info about specialty bags this patch? |
| 14:33.29 | nevcairiel | i thought we did |
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| 14:34.01 | Mikk | Bleh I haven't updated the function list |
| 14:34.39 | Mikk | Can I bug someone to go dig up iriel's change summaries and chuck up on http://www.wowwiki.com/API_change_summaries ? |
| 14:34.43 | Mikk | I'll fix the function list |
| 14:37.59 | nevcairiel | done |
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| 14:43.04 | Vangual | left = GetTotemTimeLeft(slot) missing on that list |
| 14:43.52 | Industrial | Anyone here use the default castingbar? I need someone to try out my latency addon for it (like quartz has) and tell me if it works right. |
| 14:44.14 | deltron | nice |
| 14:44.23 | deltron | I do |
| 14:44.28 | deltron | but I'm at work atm |
| 14:44.41 | alestane | Industrial: I've been hoping for something like that to turn up. |
| 14:44.51 | Industrial | its like 40 lines of code |
| 14:45.01 | alestane | Cool. I like lightweight. |
| 14:45.28 | Industrial | http://darkwired.org/~Industrial/games/wow/idCastingbarLatency-1.0-20400.zip |
| 14:46.08 | Industrial | ofcourse wont really be helpful with a ping below 50 :p |
| 14:46.55 | alestane | My ping's pretty good but I'll see what it looks like. I do find myself trying to latency-pack my casts by feel. |
| 14:47.52 | Industrial | key |
| 14:48.14 | Industrial | its white with 0.3 alpha (so grey? :P) |
| 14:49.25 | wereHamster | Polarina, when can we expect the screenshots? |
| 14:49.35 | Industrial | what ss? |
| 14:49.50 | wereHamster | 15:31 * Polarina hacks Wine and has WoW render the camera in Orthographic mode. |
| 14:50.22 | Polarina | wereHamster: I'm trying to get this hack to work... |
| 14:50.43 | Polarina | Having glFrustum calling glOrtho doesn't seem to work... |
| 14:50.57 | wereHamster | are you any good in OpenGL? |
| 14:51.11 | Polarina | wereHamster: I know a few things.. |
| 14:51.48 | Cide | heh, so I was reading the comparison between ace2 and ace3 |
| 14:52.22 | Cide | and while the design seems good, the fact that the size of the libraries + number of lines of code is stated all over the place irks me |
| 14:52.24 | Cide | it irks me a lot |
| 14:52.30 | Josh_Borke | cide: i agree |
| 14:52.34 | Josh_Borke | but then again, it is self bashing |
| 14:52.44 | Industrial | please who needs libraries |
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| 14:52.53 | Industrial | alestane: make that 25 lines of code =D |
| 14:52.57 | Cide | it's like they're saying "hey, we learned our lesson" and then goes about doing the same thing again |
| 14:53.03 | Industrial | (I am just kidding, dismiss my statements) |
| 14:53.04 | Cide | Industrial: libraries are a great thing |
| 14:53.08 | Kirkburn|sleep | Mikk! |
| 14:53.21 | Cide | "ceEvent-2.0 is 22KB. AceEvent-3.0 (3KB) + CallbackHandler-1.0 (6KB) + AceTimer-3.0 (10KB) + AceBucket-3.0 (7KB) = 26KB (sept 18), that you can pick and choose from as you wish. (Yes, it's slightly bigger in total. But AceEvent-2.0 only contains ~50 lines of comments. The new libraries clock in at a well-commented and readable 200 lines of comments, plus quite a few inline comments.)" |
| 14:53.36 | Cide | yes, I probably invented a new word |
| 14:53.44 | Kirkburn | Mikk, seen your talk page notes? |
| 14:54.17 | alestane | "irked" is not a new word. |
| 14:54.23 | Cide | boo |
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| 14:55.42 | Kirkburn | "boo" is not a new word either. |
| 14:55.55 | Cide | nor is your mom. |
| 14:56.17 | Kirkburn | touché |
| 14:57.20 | nevcairiel | hm the comparison page needs an update for the new libs anyway |
| 14:58.22 | Duman | jesus people have gone retarded over that highroller addon, sigh |
| 14:58.56 | nevcairiel | didnt they read the date on that mod? |
| 14:59.01 | Duman | I guess not |
| 15:00.46 | Lopeppeppy | Stupid comes out after a patch. |
| 15:01.42 | End | o_O |
| 15:02.11 | End | on my linux laptop, firefox associates lua files with wine |
| 15:02.23 | ScytheBlade1 | lol, wtf |
| 15:02.50 | Arrowmaster | probably because of the mime type sent by the server |
| 15:02.55 | End | I didn't try to see what wine would do with it |
| 15:02.59 | End | ah, that could be it |
| 15:03.03 | alestane | Industrial: It's just there enough for me to see it. I do have one thought...for the channeling bar, move it to the other end. |
| 15:03.16 | End | actually, yeah, I bet you're right :P |
| 15:03.21 | Industrial | oh right |
| 15:03.32 | alestane | I realize that will add a few more lines of code. |
| 15:03.39 | Industrial | lol :P |
| 15:04.43 | alestane | You might also consider parenting it off of CastingBarFrame. |
| 15:04.49 | Arrowmaster | oh we having a fewest lines of code contest? |
| 15:05.38 | alestane | That way it will stop running OnUpdates when CBFrame is hidden. |
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| 15:06.04 | alestane | Or use CastingBarFrame:HookScript(). |
| 15:07.52 | Industrial | isnt it already parented to that since I use CastingBarFrame:CreateTexture() |
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| 15:09.06 | Industrial | :w |
| 15:09.09 | alestane | The texture is, I didn't see that at first. I was talking about your frame, which turns out to be invisible. |
| 15:09.25 | Industrial | oh, thats a left over |
| 15:09.25 | alestane | So that doesn't matter so much. But you don't need another frame. |
| 15:09.34 | Industrial | not its not, nm |
| 15:10.31 | p3lim | new version of oUF_P3lim out, for those who use it |
| 15:10.44 | alestane | Slightly trimmed code at http://wowuidev.pastey.net/85087 |
| 15:12.00 | Xinhuan | so uh, why the channel change to here? |
| 15:12.46 | alestane | I guess some people were unhappy that it was the wowinterface lounge, so Cairenn made it more ecumenical. |
| 15:12.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Xinhuan: /topic |
| 15:12.59 | Xinhuan | sif read topics! |
| 15:13.35 | alestane | Xinhuan: You're the man behind Routes, right? |
| 15:13.38 | Xinhuan | yes |
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| 15:14.49 | alestane | It's pretty cool. I just wish for some sort of force mechanism so I can tell it not to go through mountains. |
| 15:14.55 | Xinhuan | there is |
| 15:15.00 | Xinhuan | its called Taboo Regions |
| 15:15.07 | alestane | I'll have to look into that. |
| 15:15.10 | cncfanatics | #WoWUIDev ? did this chan get renamed ? :o |
| 15:15.12 | Xinhuan | /routes --> Taboo Regins |
| 15:15.14 | Xinhuan | then |
| 15:15.22 | Xinhuan | create one in the selected zone |
| 15:15.38 | alestane | Is that only in the standalone routes? I'm using Cartographer_Routes ATM. |
| 15:15.46 | Xinhuan | yep, in standalone routes |
| 15:15.51 | Xinhuan | i suggest you switch over |
| 15:15.56 | alestane | I really like that it also works with the mini zone map. |
| 15:16.10 | Xinhuan | routes has everything carto_routes can do plus 2 major features |
| 15:16.39 | End | fine |
| 15:16.42 | Xinhuan | feature 1: takes nearby nodes near each other (user specificed distance, default 60 yards) and collapses them to a centroid, i.e 1 single travel point |
| 15:17.04 | Xinhuan | feature 2: ability to specify any region for ROutes to ignore all nodes in it, as well as make the route not fly thru it |
| 15:17.20 | Xinhuan | this region, i called it taboo region, can be made out of any number of draggable vertices |
| 15:17.28 | alestane | You da man. |
| 15:17.29 | cncfanatics | which is called a polygon |
| 15:17.37 | Xinhuan | damn, cncfanatics beat me to it |
| 15:17.43 | cncfanatics | :) |
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| 15:18.18 | cncfanatics | yeeey, the very very very early alpha of FB3 is working :p |
| 15:18.19 | Xinhuan | i'll bring up a SS or something |
| 15:18.22 | cncfanatics | just finished :p |
| 15:18.35 | Xinhuan | http://home2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/temp3.jpg <-- 659 nodes |
| 15:18.47 | Xinhuan | http://home2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/temp5.jpg <-- 196 nodes |
| 15:19.58 | cncfanatics | Xinhuan: is that uncompressed jpg ? taking ages to load |
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| 15:19.58 | Xinhuan | its only like 180 kb or 260 kb |
| 15:19.58 | End | slow server Ithink |
| 15:19.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Xinhuan: you have a LOT OF GOLD. |
| 15:19.58 | Xinhuan | its over 6 digits now |
| 15:20.05 | End | farm much? |
| 15:20.10 | Xinhuan | i don't even farm |
| 15:20.18 | End | ...dailies much? |
| 15:20.32 | End | AH much? |
| 15:20.32 | deltron | holy shit lol |
| 15:20.36 | Xinhuan | not usually, i just prospect and cut gems and sell enchants? |
| 15:20.41 | End | ah |
| 15:20.58 | Xinhuan | alestane: http://grum.nl/WoWScrnShot_020908_125251.jpg |
| 15:21.10 | Xinhuan | that's an "extreme" example |
| 15:21.16 | cncfanatics | 83k gold ? what the ? |
| 15:21.28 | deltron | what's taboo do? |
| 15:21.29 | cncfanatics | go sell some for dollars Xinhuan |
| 15:21.38 | Xinhuan | i aim to hit gold cap! |
| 15:21.39 | cncfanatics | scroll up deltron |
| 15:21.45 | Xinhuan | i'm halfway there |
| 15:21.51 | Xinhuan | 105766g right now |
| 15:21.57 | cncfanatics | Xinhuan: aim to hit the dollar cap at your real bank account |
| 15:22.02 | cncfanatics | way more useful :p |
| 15:22.02 | deltron | holy crap lol |
| 15:24.00 | alestane | Industrial: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/85089 that includes the code to switch which end it goes at. |
| 15:24.00 | Cide | you should make it so you don't have to specify two points |
| 15:24.03 | End | wow |
| 15:24.04 | End | yeah |
| 15:24.10 | End | routes generates much better routes |
| 15:24.19 | End | I think the clustering bit makes a big difference |
| 15:25.21 | Xinhuan | the clustering part was tricky to code |
| 15:25.33 | Xinhuan | since new nodes have to be added in and considered |
| 15:25.48 | cncfanatics | hmmm, Xinhuan: was it me who made you do the clustering stuff ? :p I remember you asking to do it |
| 15:25.57 | Xinhuan | lots of people asked |
| 15:26.45 | Industrial | alestane: hehe I just did that locally >_. |
| 15:26.50 | Xinhuan | once you make a taboo region, you simply attach it to an exting route in the route options |
| 15:26.54 | Xinhuan | existing* |
| 15:27.27 | Industrial | alestane: I can't get the frame to show on top of the castingbar and under the border layer though. This means it will be under teh channeling bar... |
| 15:27.37 | Xinhuan | mainly used to avoid "out of the way islands", caves, mountains, enemy faction towns |
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| 15:27.59 | wereHamster | Polarina, plearse ping me if you get your hack working and have screenshots ready :) |
| 15:28.18 | alestane | Industrial: Gotta be a way to deal with that. I'll look into it. |
| 15:28.27 | Polarina | wereHamster: I gave up, it won't work. :( |
| 15:28.55 | wereHamster | too bad :( |
| 15:29.18 | alestane | I think it's the same status bar, isn't it? |
| 15:30.04 | Industrial | yes it is |
| 15:30.11 | Industrial | it just has .casting set |
| 15:30.38 | Mikk | Kirkburn: mooh. RC bot problems? yeah i know just havent had time to get to it |
| 15:30.59 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 15:31.19 | alestane | So it should be at the same drawing layer. |
| 15:31.36 | Industrial | yeah its at that, BORDER |
| 15:31.54 | alestane | Or do you mean the casting bar covers it when it gets up to the top? |
| 15:32.01 | Industrial | but when you are cvasting normally its actually under the bar too but you can see it because the bar isnt filled |
| 15:32.05 | Industrial | its filled when you are channeling |
| 15:32.25 | alestane | Gimme a second. |
| 15:38.40 | alestane | There does not seem to be any documented way to control the stacking of textures in the same draw layer. |
| 15:39.38 | alestane | Can we set the border up to OVERLAY? |
| 15:39.54 | cncfanatics | there's the frame level actualy |
| 15:40.42 | alestane | You can control the stacking of frames in the same strata with frame level. But that doesn't seem to affect the stacking order of textures in a single frame. |
| 15:41.26 | Industrial | thats what the draw layers are for (per frame) |
| 15:41.36 | Industrial | but yeah the border and castingbar are already close to eachother |
| 15:41.49 | wereHamster | Polarina, what was the probleem? and do you still have the patch? |
| 15:42.24 | Polarina | wereHamster: I have the patch, and nothing happens with it. It keeps running in perspective mode. |
| 15:42.45 | wereHamster | did you patch opengl32.dll? |
| 15:43.17 | Polarina | wereHamster: Yes. I removed it from system32 and reran wineprefixcreate. Same result. |
| 15:43.49 | wereHamster | that won't help, you need to install the dll into /usr/lib/wine/ |
| 15:44.27 | Polarina | wereHamster: make install? Yes, I did that. |
| 15:44.30 | alestane | Industrial: This should do it http://wowuidev.pastey.net/85091 . |
| 15:44.57 | wereHamster | can I have the patch? could you upload it to pastey please :) |
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| 15:46.31 | Polarina | wereHamster: These are all the things I tried. http://rafb.net/p/SokREc16.html |
| 15:47.19 | Industrial | alestane: got it |
| 15:47.20 | Industrial | doh |
| 15:48.12 | alestane | I don't recommend doing that indiscriminately, but it seems okay there. |
| 15:48.48 | Industrial | as long as no other addons mess with it ^^ |
| 15:50.06 | wereHamster | Polarina, did you check whether wow calls glFrustum() or gluPerspective |
| 15:50.08 | wereHamster | () ? |
| 15:51.15 | Polarina | wereHamster: Nope.. It should call ether of these functions, unless WoW is trying to look smart by mixing calls to D3D and OpenGL... |
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| 15:55.15 | Industrial | alestane: http://darkwired.org/~Industrial/games/wow/idCastingbarLatency-1.1-20400.zip |
| 15:55.47 | cheesepls | anyone here use quest helper? |
| 15:56.25 | Industrial | cheesepls: doesnt matter whats the question |
| 15:56.55 | cheesepls | just wonderin if anyones havin trouble with latest version |
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| 15:57.13 | alestane | Industrial: That should work. The advantage of running the OnUpdate script off of CastingBarFrame or a child frame is that it will not run when the frame is not shown. |
| 15:57.27 | Seerah | cheesepls: what trouble are you having? |
| 15:57.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Sweet |
| 15:57.29 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.openssh.com/txt/release-5.0 |
| 15:57.30 | Seerah | ~asktoask |
| 15:57.31 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
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| 15:57.45 | Industrial | alestane: yeah, I had itupdating every seconds first but removed that as Ill prefer the accuracy |
| 15:57.56 | cheesepls | well there used to be icons where you go kill somthin etc, but they no longer appera |
| 15:58.18 | alestane | For what you're doing you want fine control. You just don't want it eating CPU time when the character isn't casting anything. |
| 15:59.03 | p3lim | channelname got changed? |
| 15:59.06 | cheesepls | ive tried reinstalling but no luck yet |
| 15:59.42 | Matrix110| | huh |
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| 15:59.59 | cncfanatics | cheesepls: did you try wiping the savedvariables ? |
| 16:00.13 | Seerah | cheesepls: did you try disabling all mods besides questhelper to see if the problem persists? |
| 16:00.26 | cheesepls | sorry im new to game i havent a clue what that means :) |
| 16:00.33 | Seerah | try mine first |
| 16:00.55 | Industrial | ^ |
| 16:01.00 | cheesepls | kk brb ty |
| 16:01.28 | Industrial | \o/ |
| 16:02.08 | Seerah | hola |
| 16:04.06 | cheesepls | ok so disabled all other addons and the problem is still there..........it doesnt seem to be picking up new quests when i get them |
| 16:04.22 | Polarina | wereHamster: At least I know my patches are getting applied. I managed to make the nameplates look "weird"... |
| 16:04.22 | cncfanatics | did you update that addon recently ? |
| 16:04.40 | alestane | How does one go AFK in IRC? |
| 16:04.55 | Seerah | alestane: I just change my nick to Seerah|away |
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| 16:04.58 | cheesepls | i 'think' i did yea |
| 16:05.14 | Industrial | you dont have to change your name |
| 16:05.14 | Seerah | latest version of QuestHelper was put up on wowi on the 30th iirc |
| 16:05.15 | alestane | Some people are grayed out in my channel list. |
| 16:05.19 | cheesepls | perhaps if i can find an older version u think it may fix the prob? |
| 16:05.26 | Industrial | most if not all clients support /afk <reason> |
| 16:05.29 | cncfanatics | that'd be my first guess cheesepls |
| 16:05.34 | Industrial | if someone pm's you youll auto reply with the reason |
| 16:05.51 | Industrial | and some clients display afk status in the nicklist |
| 16:05.56 | Industrial | (xchat, mirc?) |
| 16:05.59 | cheesepls | i normally use curse, cant seem to find older versions |
| 16:06.02 | alestane | Colloquy. |
| 16:06.26 | deltron | irssi has like 4 autoaway scripts |
| 16:06.58 | cheesepls | anyone know where i can get older versions of addons? |
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| 16:07.44 | Industrial | cheesepls: it works fine here (the addon) |
| 16:07.54 | Industrial | sometimes it updates after you close the workd map |
| 16:08.05 | Industrial | world* |
| 16:08.07 | Industrial | and then reopen it |
| 16:08.10 | cheesepls | ok cool ty, it must be somthin ive done |
| 16:08.19 | cheesepls | u have latest version mate? |
| 16:10.59 | alestane | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:11.59 | Industrial | cheesepls: yes |
| 16:13.17 | cheesepls | ok ive tried everything with no luck, maybe if i delete teh folder completely, then go into game, then come out and install again :D |
| 16:13.18 | wereHamster | Polarina, the problem is, WoW doesn't call glFrustum or gluPerspecive |
| 16:13.24 | Matrix110| | channel renamed? |
| 16:14.02 | Polarina | wereHamster: What does it call then? |
| 16:14.38 | alestane | Matrix110|: /topic |
| 16:14.57 | alestane | Trying to be more ecumenical. |
| 16:15.07 | Matrix110| | aha |
| 16:15.14 | wereHamster | Polarina, no glu functions |
| 16:15.16 | cheesepls | does everyone have a folder called backups in addons folder, or is it likely that cursehelperthingy creted it ?? |
| 16:15.23 | Polarina | wereHamster: Ok. |
| 16:15.27 | cheesepls | *created |
| 16:15.30 | Matrix110| | no backups folder here |
| 16:15.36 | cheesepls | kk ty |
| 16:15.38 | cncfanatics | no backups folder either |
| 16:15.54 | cheesepls | kk time for mass delete ! |
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| 16:16.14 | cheesepls | if i can remember the stuff that was there in the first place |
| 16:16.39 | wereHamster | Polarina, http://pastey.net/85093 - the other functions are dynamically loaded based on extensions supported |
| 16:16.45 | cheesepls | all the original stuff says blizzard first yea? |
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| 16:17.45 | wereHamster | Polarina, glViewport() is the closes function I can imagine that could be modified to get any results |
| 16:18.44 | Polarina | wereHamster: All that function does is to know where to render the rasterized image on the screen. (width and height of WorldFrame).. |
| 16:19.23 | wereHamster | glViewport() is called several times each frame, with different arguments.. |
| 16:19.52 | Polarina | wereHamster: And FrameXML too? :) |
| 16:21.23 | cheesepls | bah that didnt work either :/ |
| 16:22.30 | Hirsute-Away | cheesepls: what OS are you using? |
| 16:22.39 | cheesepls | vista |
| 16:23.04 | cheesepls | i dont understand its only happended over the last few days |
| 16:23.07 | Polarina | wereHamster: It doesn't call glRotate? Hmm... |
| 16:23.41 | Hirsute-Away | try looking in c:\users\<yourusername>\appdata\local\virtualstore\program files for a WoW directory. Look around in there and see if you can find an addons directory, if so, try moving it out of there. |
| 16:24.25 | wereHamster | Polarina, the list is just strings wow.exe | egrep ?gl[A-Z] |
| 16:24.36 | cheesepls | kk ty ill have a look, its odd as i deleted everything and still have the prob |
| 16:24.40 | Polarina | wereHamster: I know. :) |
| 16:24.41 | cheesepls | ill try that now anyway ty |
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| 16:24.43 | wereHamster | though is should be accurate as to which functions wow calls |
| 16:24.51 | Hirsute-Away | cheesepls: I know, Vista sometimes stores things in odd places |
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| 16:25.47 | cheesepls | nope no wow dir there |
| 16:26.03 | Hirsute-Away | Okay, no idea, then. Sorry! |
| 16:26.11 | cheesepls | ok ty anyway |
| 16:26.39 | wereHamster | Polarina, there are opengl stream inspectors for linux, apps that hook into your app and record which opengl functinos your app calls. At least one works with wow.I don't remember the name though |
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| 16:27.04 | wereHamster | with one such app I get wow to render in fireframe mode |
| 16:27.34 | cheesepls | if i cant fix theproblem are there any alternatives to questhelper? |
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| 16:27.54 | Polarina | wereHamster: I'll take a look at it. |
| 16:28.39 | Hirsute-Away | cheesepls: I use beql, but it's been having some weird errors lately, too. |
| 16:29.16 | Seerah | cheesepls: There's TourGuide on wowinterface... But I'd post on the QuestHelper download page that you're having issues - perhaps you can get a bit more help there. |
| 16:29.30 | cheesepls | major errors? |
| 16:29.39 | cheesepls | ok ty seerah |
| 16:29.50 | Hirsute-Away | No, it's still useable. |
| 16:30.30 | cheesepls | ok cool well at leat ive a few alternatives, i could always do a complete reinstall |
| 16:31.12 | cheesepls | cheers anyways guys |
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| 16:58.36 | wereHamster | Polarina, found it. I used bugle (http://www.opengl.org/sdk/tools/BuGLe/) |
| 17:00.20 | Josh_Borke | hm, still no clad |
| 17:09.35 | haste | PTR |
| 17:09.45 | haste | you have the "alt-click to report bug" thingy there |
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| 17:22.55 | Lunessa | ... station? |
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| 17:29.53 | Josh_Borke | ... place? |
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| 17:31.04 | Xinhuan | yep it works |
| 17:31.14 | Cairenn|afk | hi Xinhuan :) |
| 17:31.20 | End | what works? |
| 17:31.20 | Xinhuan | well i've always been here |
| 17:31.25 | End | the redirecty thing? |
| 17:31.29 | Cairenn|afk | yeah |
| 17:31.47 | Cairenn|afk | and good morning all :) |
| 17:31.48 | Xinhuan | well i can't get back in there |
| 17:31.49 | Xinhuan | qq |
| 17:31.53 | End | qq indeed |
| 17:31.55 | Cairenn|afk | nope |
| 17:32.00 | Lunessa | I'm all redirected. |
| 17:32.30 | Xinhuan | for a moment, i thought you gave me voice/ops or something and asked me to rejoin lol |
| 17:32.37 | Cairenn|afk | heh |
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| 17:33.07 | mikma | oh ok then |
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| 17:35.10 | Lunessa | http://xkcd.com/406/ - P.P.S. I can kill you with my brain. |
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| 17:37.47 | Hirsute-Away | Lunessa: awesome |
| 17:38.02 | Lunessa | xkcd is ... genius. |
| 17:38.19 | Hirsute-Away | aye |
| 17:41.03 | Keias | Whats the lowest level you can zone into heroics? |
| 17:41.10 | ScytheBlade1 | 60 |
| 17:41.11 | Keias | Do you -have- to be 70? |
| 17:41.17 | Keias | hrm, ok thanks |
| 17:41.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Actually lower than that |
| 17:41.28 | Hirsute-Away | I always though you had to be 70. Shows what I know |
| 17:41.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Lowest I've heard of is 59 |
| 17:41.55 | ScytheBlade1 | But that very likely means 55, 50, or no level req |
| 17:43.08 | Hirsute-Away | Well, even if there's no hard lower limit, you've got to be high enough level to get honored with the appropriate faction and get the key, for most of them. |
| 17:43.41 | Keias | Another question that's been eating at me for quite some time. |
| 17:44.08 | Keias | If someone had their legs amputated, and they get a new ID. Do they give their original height, or from the nubs up? |
| 17:44.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Ask am amputee? |
| 17:45.07 | Hirsute-Away | I think it depends on if they get prostheses.... |
| 17:45.11 | Keias | I dunno any though |
| 17:47.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | if i lost my legs i'd want tank treads |
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| 17:49.36 | Fisker- | *haet* |
| 17:54.03 | mikma | haistakaa home, ruojakkeet! |
| 18:00.22 | Gnarfoz | I'm so intrigued by Finnish :D |
| 18:08.50 | leethal | How come "Oh, hai, from OnLoad" doesn't print? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/85105 |
| 18:08.56 | Lunessa | Which one of you is responsible for HighRoller? because it's GENIUS! |
| 18:09.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: Guil and MP, iirc |
| 18:09.29 | Lunessa | I owe them beers at Blizzcon |
| 18:09.35 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 18:09.47 | alestane | leethal: OnLoad only works from XML. |
| 18:10.01 | Cairenn | dunno about Lunessa - guil and MentalPower|ZzZz for sure |
| 18:10.02 | alestane | If you want code executed on loading a frame from Lua, just call it. |
| 18:10.03 | leethal | ah, that explains it then |
| 18:10.06 | Polarina | Lunessa: It's April's Fool. |
| 18:10.16 | Lunessa | I know. It's a BRILLIANT one. :) |
| 18:10.24 | Cairenn | one of the best I've seen :) |
| 18:10.29 | Lunessa | I was off-line for most of the last week due to moving. |
| 18:10.33 | Polarina | Lunessa: Look at the download count. :) |
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| 18:10.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Sadly bash.org rejected the quote, but qdb hasn't |
| 18:10.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: http://qdb.us/152432 |
| 18:10.50 | leethal | alestane: makes sense, thanks =) |
| 18:10.57 | Cairenn | Polarina: we fixed the count back to what it actually ws |
| 18:11.06 | Polarina | Cairenn: It was buggy? |
| 18:11.11 | Cairenn | no |
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| 18:11.32 | Xinhuan | leethal, nick sounds familiar |
| 18:11.34 | Cairenn | we deliberately set it that high as part of the joke, then set it back to accurate after the joke was over |
| 18:11.49 | Polarina | :'( |
| 18:12.02 | alestane | leethal: basically, by the time CreateFrame returns, the frame's OnLoad script, if any, has already been executed. |
| 18:12.03 | Lunessa | I was just reading the thread in the UI & MAcros forum. I never laughed so hard. The pseudo technical explanation was brilliant. |
| 18:12.09 | leethal | Xinhuan: ya, from the Funky Secret Channel |
| 18:12.35 | Polarina | Cairenn: It's still >60000 downloads.. |
| 18:12.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Polarina: yeah. |
| 18:12.57 | Cairenn | my contribution to it was making sure Blizz wouldn't action their accounts over it, and getting the news reports out |
| 18:12.59 | Xinhuan | people download it possibly because to see the proof of concept of playing videos lol |
| 18:13.00 | Cairenn | Polarina: yes, it is |
| 18:13.09 | Polarina | :) |
| 18:13.32 | Cairenn | and that was after taking the number of views and dividing it by 2 |
| 18:13.48 | Polarina | Cairenn: Why would Blizzard ever ban people for using addons? |
| 18:13.52 | Cairenn | theoretically it could have been downloaded the same number of views |
| 18:14.06 | Cairenn | Polarina: not the users, guil & mp |
| 18:14.11 | Cairenn | because they rickrolled |
| 18:14.26 | Polarina | Cairenn: Ok... *me don't understand*... |
| 18:14.51 | Cairenn | that's fine, was just a joke that really worked ;) |
| 18:14.56 | Polarina | :) |
| 18:15.05 | Cairenn | they were brilliant to come up with it and figure out how to make it work |
| 18:15.36 | Polarina | Cairenn: Their creativity remains a mystery to us all. |
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| 18:22.48 | NightHawkAtWork | ... dammit, I disconnected. >< |
| 18:23.07 | Lopeppeppy | I just realized that I got disconnected too. grrr. |
| 18:23.10 | Cairenn | heheheh |
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| 18:23.17 | NightHawkAtWork | well, I mean my home computer. :P |
| 18:23.23 | KillerDreaming | Ha. |
| 18:23.23 | Lopeppeppy | Oops. |
| 18:23.27 | KillerDreaming | You're all screwed now. |
| 18:23.31 | KillerDreaming | KillerDreaming's home. |
| 18:23.39 | KillerDreaming | God. I fail at IRC. |
| 18:23.48 | NightHawkAtWork | I wonder if i'll come back. |
| 18:24.20 | KillerDreaming | So how is every one? |
| 18:25.14 | NightHawkAtWork | I'm good, making insulting jira comments at morons in qa. :P |
| 18:25.31 | KillerDreaming | Dammit. Tekkub tells me to get on IRC and he's not even in here. |
| 18:25.37 | KillerDreaming | Unless I am just overlooking him. |
| 18:26.53 | NightHawkAtWork | heh, neil gaiman is awesome, "(Plan three: lock me in a cupboard and let me out when everything is written.)" |
| 18:27.52 | nevcairiel | tek probably didnt jump from the old chan yet |
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| 18:33.32 | Lunessa | Neil is a really nice man in person too. I met him at a book signing in Austin and he took a few moments to chat with me. |
| 18:34.03 | NightHawkAtWork | So I hear, havn't had the pleasure myself. That's awesome, though. :) |
| 18:35.09 | KillerDreaming | How do I register? I forgot. |
| 18:35.14 | Lunessa | It was for his Anasi Boys signing tour. A few days earlier he'd blogged about a book I'd read ... an obscure SF novel that he'd contemplated adapting for the screen, but that the political climate makes unlikely now. And we chatted a bit about it. |
| 18:35.21 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:35.45 | NightHawkAtWork | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:37.24 | NightHawkAtWork | oh man, overheardinnewyork wins.. http://www.overheardinnewyork.com/archives/014168.html |
| 18:41.15 | Lunessa | http://www.overheardinnewyork.com/archives/005866.html - better |
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| 18:42.03 | Tekkub | RAWR |
| 18:42.15 | Cairenn | hey Tekkub |
| 18:42.26 | Tekkub | you changed the channel name |
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| 18:43.06 | Cairenn | Shadowed: ;) |
| 18:43.16 | Cairenn | Tekkub: yes, yesterday |
| 18:43.26 | Shadowed | damn Cairenn |
| 18:43.27 | Shadowed | abusing power |
| 18:43.28 | Tekkub | heh, good timing on my part then |
| 18:43.30 | Shadowed | i'm on to you |
| 18:43.54 | Cairenn | but baby, I know you like it when I abuse my power ^_- |
| 18:44.09 | Shadowed | ^_- creepy emote |
| 18:44.27 | Tekkub | o_{circle} |
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| 18:49.49 | ScytheBlade1 | And now, to farm 10 more primal shadow |
| 18:49.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Yey |
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| 18:50.11 | KillerDreaming | Tekub. |
| 18:50.20 | Tekkub | moo |
| 18:50.26 | KillerDreaming | +k |
| 18:50.39 | KillerDreaming | Have my children? |
| 18:50.41 | KillerDreaming | or vica versa? |
| 18:50.49 | Tekkub | I don't breed |
| 18:50.58 | KillerDreaming | Have my Gnomes? |
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| 18:51.07 | Lunessa | Ooo... Cairenn, Abuse that power, it makes me all shivery. |
| 18:51.09 | Lopeppeppy | My gnomes. |
| 18:51.13 | Tekkub | fur only |
| 18:51.18 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, you're too weird. |
| 18:51.32 | Lunessa | You ain't seen nothing yet. |
| 18:51.33 | KillerDreaming | I love TourGuide. |
| 18:51.35 | KillerDreaming | It is my baby. |
| 18:51.45 | KillerDreaming | Best Mod ever. |
| 18:51.46 | KillerDreaming | <3 |
| 18:51.48 | Lopeppeppy | Oh dear, I feel properly threatened, lnessa. |
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| 18:52.05 | Tekkub | I like it cause, unlike every other mod I ever wrote, I actually get levels working on it |
| 18:52.27 | KillerDreaming | The only problem is |
| 18:52.34 | KillerDreaming | some of the coordinates are gay. |
| 18:52.49 | Tekkub | fix them and give me patches |
| 18:52.50 | Cairenn | KillerDreaming: ... |
| 18:52.55 | KillerDreaming | Will do. :) |
| 18:52.56 | KillerDreaming | Definitely. |
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| 18:53.02 | Tekkub | I have to playtest every guide to get better coords |
| 18:53.12 | KillerDreaming | I sat down and changed quite a bit of the coordinates in my copy of TourGuide. |
| 18:53.16 | KillerDreaming | I'll send them to you. |
| 18:53.20 | KillerDreaming | like |
| 18:53.20 | Tekkub | Cairenn, yea he doesn't get it I know :P |
| 18:53.36 | KillerDreaming | uh oh. |
| 18:53.39 | KillerDreaming | What don't I get |
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| 18:53.51 | Lopeppeppy | I think you were being un-politically-correct. *nod* |
| 18:53.58 | KillerDreaming | Penis? |
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| 18:54.05 | Tekkub | lesse... "If you want to do things to my ass"... "I don't breed" |
| 18:54.08 | Cairenn | well, I was ...'ing you because ^^ yeah, what Lopeppeppy said |
| 18:54.24 | Cairenn | anyone remember who mruseful belongs to? |
| 18:54.34 | KillerDreaming | Me? |
| 18:54.44 | Tekkub | I just remeber he's not useful like he claims |
| 18:54.58 | nevcairiel | yeah mruseful was really worthless :P |
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| 18:55.07 | KillerDreaming | and bothersome. |
| 18:55.08 | KillerDreaming | :3 |
| 18:55.17 | Tekkub | but then, I hate most bots, except clad's luabot |
| 18:55.26 | Tekkub | that one's actually handy |
| 18:55.37 | Lopeppeppy | purl is lovely |
| 18:55.42 | Adys | Man |
| 18:55.42 | Adys | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_numbers |
| 18:55.43 | Tekkub | purl's a retard |
| 18:55.49 | Adys | This should be flagged as incomplete |
| 18:55.58 | Lopeppeppy | Tekkub, you're mean. She's a lovely lady with a lot to say. |
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| 18:56.07 | Cairenn | gonna do a temp ban until his owner can change his pathing |
| 18:56.17 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+b mruseful!*@*] by Cairenn |
| 18:56.23 | Tekkub | purl's the first one I put on ignore :P |
| 18:56.37 | Lopeppeppy | She's not bad, she's just drawn that way. |
| 18:57.10 | Lunessa | Purl is pregnant with my love child. |
| 18:57.17 | KillerDreaming | YAY. |
| 18:57.24 | nevcairiel | its probably some crazy eggdrop |
| 18:57.28 | nevcairiel | they dont like redirects |
| 18:57.32 | haste | mruseful is |
| 18:57.38 | Lopeppeppy | Wild oats, Lunessa? At least you admit you love her. |
| 18:57.39 | haste | Olison is the owner |
| 18:57.45 | Tekkub | after the novelty of putting commands at the end of commit notes so CIA would trigger purl wore off... the bot became useless :P |
| 18:57.51 | Olison | hi, yeah |
| 18:58.01 | Olison | im doing ZA atm though |
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| 18:58.18 | Olison | so just /msg me any stuff and ill look at it later |
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| 19:11.10 | TimRiker | ~save |
| 19:11.10 | purl | saved user and chan files |
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| 19:11.40 | Cairenn | thanks TimRiker! :) |
| 19:11.51 | cncfanatics | what does ~save do ? :o |
| 19:12.02 | nevcairiel | save user and channel files, doh! |
| 19:12.03 | Cairenn | just updating purl to this channel instead of the lounge |
| 19:12.04 | Kaelten | probably something only he can do |
| 19:12.23 | cncfanatics | why did the chan get renamed anyway ? |
| 19:12.25 | AbsoRayne | IT SAVES YOUR SOUL TO THE VERY PIT OF HELL ITSELF! |
| 19:12.31 | AbsoRayne | Basicly, to this channel. |
| 19:12.37 | Kaelten | cncfanatics: to mess with your head |
| 19:12.47 | cncfanatics | in order to be more inclusive |
| 19:12.53 | Cairenn | correct |
| 19:12.54 | cncfanatics | you might as well have written because I feel like it :p |
| 19:13.18 | Cairenn | certain people felt that the old channel name implied that the channel was too site-specific |
| 19:13.25 | Cairenn | even though it wasn't |
| 19:13.31 | Cairenn | so, I changed the name |
| 19:13.52 | nevcairiel | people need to get off their ass and do something contructive rather then criticize all the time 0P |
| 19:14.07 | TimRiker | yeah, "save" is an admin command. though there is a save factoid too iirc. so a user will get that one. |
| 19:14.08 | AbsoRayne | People are too picky |
| 19:14.27 | wereHamster | ~literal save |
| 19:14.45 | Cairenn | well, I did something constructive - rather than have the community get further divided, I changed it so as to keep it open to all, inclusive |
| 19:14.45 | cncfanatics | ~save |
| 19:14.58 | TimRiker | hmm. no factoid? |
| 19:15.01 | TimRiker | ~literal save |
| 19:15.03 | cncfanatics | guess not |
| 19:15.06 | nevcairiel | now you killed him |
| 19:15.08 | nevcairiel | ~botsnack |
| 19:15.08 | purl | :), nevcairiel |
| 19:15.11 | TimRiker | hehe |
| 19:15.13 | nevcairiel | nah still works |
| 19:15.17 | Polarina | purl, no, save is <reply>saved user and chan files |
| 19:15.18 | purl | Polarina: okay |
| 19:15.21 | Polarina | ~saved |
| 19:15.24 | Polarina | ~save |
| 19:15.24 | purl | saved user and chan files |
| 19:15.40 | Cairenn | Polarina: ... |
| 19:15.49 | Polarina | Yes? |
| 19:15.51 | cncfanatics | that might be confusing if somehow an admin forgets logging in as admin |
| 19:15.58 | TimRiker | hmm. perhaps anyone can do a save. not anyone can change things so that save makes any difference though. :) |
| 19:16.08 | Cairenn | Polarina: don't copy admin functions into factoids, it'll confuse things |
| 19:16.12 | TimRiker | ~literal save |
| 19:16.13 | purl | "save" is "<reply>saved user and chan files" |
| 19:16.16 | Polarina | Cairenn: Sorry. |
| 19:16.34 | cncfanatics | Polarina is always humorous :) |
| 19:16.54 | kergoth | hmm, as a hunter just starting to raid, what trinkets should i use / be going for? |
| 19:16.54 | TimRiker | purl: no save is <reply>I bet you wish I said "saved user and chan files", don't you? |
| 19:16.56 | purl | okay, TimRiker |
| 19:17.02 | Cairenn | rofl! |
| 19:17.13 | kergoth | hah |
| 19:17.14 | TimRiker | k. try it. :) |
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| 19:17.28 | Lopeppeppy | TimRiker, that is amusing. :P |
| 19:17.30 | MentalPower | ~save |
| 19:17.31 | purl | I bet you wish I said "saved user and chan files", don't you? |
| 19:17.34 | TimRiker | hehe |
| 19:17.35 | MentalPower | :P |
| 19:17.49 | TimRiker | heya kergoth. whatcha up to lately? |
| 19:18.48 | Gnarfoz | kergoth: starting to raid what, 25s? meaning you will be at Gruul's and Magtheridon for a while? |
| 19:19.03 | MentalPower | Lunessa: I'll take you up on that beer@blizzcon offer :) |
| 19:20.12 | Lopeppeppy | Beers.... *laugh* |
| 19:20.12 | Lunessa | Deal. I'll buy the first pitcher. After that, I'm switching to hard liquor and you're on your own. :P |
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| 19:20.12 | Cairenn | hrm |
| 19:20.17 | Lopeppeppy | I'll join up after the first pitcher then. |
| 19:20.21 | MentalPower | Lunessa: lol :P |
| 19:20.26 | Lunessa | I intend to spend most of Blizzcon blitzed and hitting on Cairenn, Kamdis, and Lopeppeppy |
| 19:20.42 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Beladona] by ChanServ |
| 19:20.50 | Beladona | no! mine |
| 19:21.10 | Lunessa | I said "hitting on" not "succeeding with" |
| 19:21.19 | Cairenn | same |
| 19:21.27 | Beladona | haha |
| 19:21.36 | MentalPower | lol |
| 19:21.41 | MentalPower | so bad, oh so bad |
| 19:21.46 | Cairenn | as Lopeppeppy, that is - talk to me when you get to the hard liquor |
| 19:21.52 | Cairenn | I'll pass on the beer |
| 19:21.56 | kergoth | Gnarfoz: nah, i mean really just starting, not even kara/za yet :) |
| 19:22.00 | Beladona | piss water? what |
| 19:22.05 | Lunessa | I'm going from beer to vodka and rum. |
| 19:22.09 | Beladona | is it announced? |
| 19:22.11 | Beladona | or something |
| 19:22.13 | Cairenn | no |
| 19:22.13 | kergoth | nm, just checked the dps increase from all hte trinkets in cheeky's |
| 19:22.31 | Beladona | oh ok, thought I missed something. seemed a hot topic today |
| 19:22.36 | Gnarfoz | kergoth: ZA is harder than gruul/magtheridon anyway. ;) sooo... don't really know about hunter trinkets in Kara, but for Gruul, you'll definitely want Dragonspine Trophy ^^ |
| 19:22.39 | kergoth | TimRiker: not a lot, just working and all. mostly boring bugfix type stuff, but it pays the bills. you? |
| 19:23.01 | Beladona | so, would any of you find a full screadsheet of the spells and their id's from the game useful? |
| 19:23.04 | MentalPower | Lunessa: I'm bringing *real* PR rum |
| 19:23.05 | nevcairiel | stupid bugfix jobs, i know the feeling <.< |
| 19:23.25 | TimRiker | still hacking on the backend systems for familysearch.org. 5000+ linux servers and growing. |
| 19:23.35 | Lunessa | MentalPower: Then after we consume it, we will need medical attention. I'm down for that. |
| 19:23.42 | MentalPower | lol |
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| 19:25.03 | alestane | nevcairiel: do you know if there's a setting to make omen stop that "missile strike" option when you approach a threat threshold? |
| 19:25.16 | nevcairiel | the sound? |
| 19:25.20 | Lopeppeppy | I'll stick with bad rum so I can laugh at you both. *nod* |
| 19:25.21 | nevcairiel | just turn it off |
| 19:25.33 | alestane | Where? |
| 19:25.43 | nevcairiel | modules -> single target -> warnings |
| 19:25.45 | nevcairiel | i think |
| 19:26.22 | nevcairiel | warnings should probably be restructured to a generic config, not per module *shrug |
| 19:26.33 | alestane | Ah, that helps. |
| 19:28.36 | alestane | Also, I appreciate that y'all have put the options into the Bliz screen, but the panel system isn't well-intergrated yet, and there doesn't seem to be an option to hide it on the minimap. |
| 19:29.16 | kergoth | TimRiker: wow, nice.. heh, i'm still pretty burned out on open source stuff, haven't coded much for fun, other than game ui stuff, since whenever i stopped hacking on oe :\ kinda miss it |
| 19:30.20 | nevcairiel | alestane: you can hide the minimap option, check the FuBarPlugin options in the omen config |
| 19:31.14 | alestane | I could have sworn that option wasn't there before... |
| 19:38.32 | KillerDreaming | Blah. |
| 19:38.38 | KillerDreaming | I'm tired. Someone tuck me in to bed. :( |
| 19:39.07 | KillerDreaming | Is TecnoBrat a bot? |
| 19:39.12 | kergoth | wonder if its worth picking up a crusade darkmoon card for my hunter, along with a bloodlust broach, at least until i get through kara and into gruul |
| 19:39.33 | AbsoRayne | kergoth: Just go with the ageold combo of bloodlust and Hourglass |
| 19:41.00 | kergoth | could do that, looks like only a 6dps difference between hourglass & crusade for me, according to cheekys |
| 19:41.39 | AbsoRayne | So spend 1Kg, or run BM a few times. :P |
| 19:42.09 | Cairenn | KillerDreaming: no, TecnoBrat isn't a bot |
| 19:42.11 | kergoth | hehe |
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| 19:50.54 | Cide | ~seen shirik |
| 19:50.55 | purl | shirik <i=shirik@65.213.133.227> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 11h 37m 48s ago, saying: 'paiece'. |
| 19:51.32 | batrick | oi |
| 19:51.49 | Cairenn | he's away at his competition |
| 19:51.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh man |
| 19:51.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | this coffee is awesome |
| 19:52.02 | MentalPower | oh, the competition is today? |
| 19:52.12 | Cairenn | this weekend, iirc |
| 19:52.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | whoa |
| 19:52.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | this coffee has a strange cooling effect @_@ |
| 19:52.46 | MentalPower | Mr_Rabies you sure its coffee? |
| 19:52.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | like, it's warm, then it has an almost menthol like cooling effect afterwards |
| 19:52.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | but no mentholy taste |
| 19:53.38 | mikma | stop putting drugs in your coffee. |
| 19:53.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can't it comes with them already |
| 19:54.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | man, that's so weird |
| 19:54.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's like, warm, then cooling or something |
| 19:54.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | maybe it's because i'm not used to real, good coffee |
| 19:55.04 | MentalPower | where did you get the coffee? |
| 19:55.07 | MentalPower | who makes it? |
| 19:56.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.stivescoffee.com/ |
| 19:57.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | apparently they roast each order individually |
| 19:57.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | and they're a 2 hour drive away, so once they've shipped it takes less than a day |
| 19:57.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | took roughly 5 hours to arrive today |
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| 20:06.25 | Beladona | maybe it had a connecting flight in cuba, for the drugs |
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| 20:09.59 | MentalPower | lol |
| 20:11.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | well |
| 20:11.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | it probably came from a cocaine pit |
| 20:11.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | a good chunk of coffee comes from colombia |
| 20:12.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's a blend with espresso in mind |
| 20:13.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | that i got |
| 20:13.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | it makes an amazing espresso |
| 20:13.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's like 3/4 crema |
| 20:13.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | and it's only like 10 bucks a pound, which is like a month or more worth of coffee |
| 20:15.25 | MentalPower | a pound of coffee lasts you a month? |
| 20:15.34 | MentalPower | you don't drink much do you |
| 20:15.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | usually about 3 cups a day or so |
| 20:16.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | sometimes none, sometimes up to 5 or so |
| 20:16.51 | MentalPower | a pound here runs for $4 and lasts about a week |
| 20:17.09 | MentalPower | locally grown coffee FTW! |
| 20:17.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | wow my internet is flaky |
| 20:17.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | where are you, MentalPower? |
| 20:18.03 | leethal | any suggestions on simple combat log reading addons one could read to grok the 2.4 combat log stuff? |
| 20:18.04 | MentalPower | Puerto Rico |
| 20:18.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | ah ok |
| 20:18.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | leethal: probably any of the combat text mods |
| 20:18.46 | leethal | SCT, Miks etc? |
| 20:18.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i can't tell you for sure since i can't grok writing addons at all |
| 20:18.56 | leethal | =P |
| 20:18.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm terrible at coding |
| 20:20.11 | leethal | hmm, Parrot uses LibParser-4.0, is there a LibParser for 2.4? :O |
| 20:20.28 | kergoth | leethal: no |
| 20:20.32 | kergoth | parrot hasnt been updated yet |
| 20:20.41 | leethal | oh, I see |
| 20:21.04 | TecnoBrat | wait .. what .. how did I get here?:P |
| 20:21.15 | kergoth | TecnoBrat: read the topic |
| 20:21.21 | TecnoBrat | KillerDreaming, yes, I am a bot |
| 20:21.29 | TecnoBrat | hehe yea, kergoth |
| 20:22.37 | MentalPower | anyone know offhand the dimensions of the standard UI panels? |
| 20:26.27 | Mikk | Is anything like LibParser even necessary with 2.4? |
| 20:26.27 | Mikk | At all? |
| 20:26.32 | kergoth | no |
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| 20:31.40 | Gnarfoz | all you'd use that for would be abstraction, anyway |
| 20:32.09 | Gnarfoz | parser was also for i18n, which shouldn't be necessary anymore now |
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| 20:34.30 | Guillotine | Hey, we're almost back up to our old population! |
| 20:34.45 | MentalPower | yup |
| 20:34.59 | Lopeppeppy | Slowly but surely. |
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| 20:35.04 | Mikk | I like 50! |
| 20:35.27 | Lunessa | I'd like a 50. Someone slip me a Grant so I can go drinking? |
| 20:35.43 | TecnoBrat | Drinking?!! |
| 20:35.46 | Lopeppeppy | I'd like 50.... |
| 20:35.58 | Mrdeadlock | The WOWinterface UI updater, put installed addons into Addons folder not AddOns folder..how do i change this? |
| 20:36.22 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: :D |
| 20:36.22 | Guillotine | does it matter? |
| 20:36.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Mrdeadlock: I'll smack Shirik|AFK around a bit |
| 20:36.34 | Guillotine | I don't think WoW cares about case sensitivity in that regaurd |
| 20:36.45 | Lunessa | On mac clients the folder name is case sensitive. |
| 20:36.47 | Guillotine | wow, I completely butchered "regard" |
| 20:36.51 | Guillotine | ah, interesting |
| 20:36.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik|AFK: CASE INSENSITIVITE PERSON. |
| 20:36.56 | Guillotine | then ~lart Shirik |
| 20:37.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik|AFK: FIX YOUR CRAP :) |
| 20:37.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik|AFK: (AddOns, not Addons) |
| 20:37.17 | nevcairiel | ScytheBlade1: he is a windows fanboi, what do you expect :D |
| 20:37.19 | ScytheBlade1 | There, all, done. |
| 20:37.22 | TecnoBrat | My question is ... what is the real one? :P |
| 20:37.23 | ScytheBlade1 | *There, all done. |
| 20:37.37 | ScytheBlade1 | nevcairiel: he's also Shirik, I expect nothing ;D |
| 20:37.45 | ScytheBlade1 | (I'm totally getting a kick once he gets back ) |
| 20:38.02 | TecnoBrat | Mac: |
| 20:38.02 | TecnoBrat | Macintosh HD/Applications/World of Warcraft/Interface/Addons/< ModAFolderName >/< files > |
| 20:38.05 | Mrdeadlock | It does. It won't use the addons in that folder. |
| 20:38.06 | TecnoBrat | I'm not sure its wrong ... |
| 20:38.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Mrdeadlock: we'll see what we can do about getting that fixed |
| 20:38.16 | nevcairiel | AddOns is right |
| 20:38.19 | TecnoBrat | the wowi site says "Addons" |
| 20:38.25 | TecnoBrat | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/faq.php?faq=install |
| 20:38.26 | Mrdeadlock | It's alright. I just figured i'd let you know |
| 20:38.30 | nevcairiel | delete your interface dir |
| 20:38.35 | nevcairiel | and wow will create a AddOns |
| 20:38.41 | TecnoBrat | nevcairiel, for mac? |
| 20:38.45 | nevcairiel | no idea |
| 20:38.49 | nevcairiel | just assuming its the same :P |
| 20:39.04 | Guillotine | I think we're missing an important point here guys |
| 20:39.05 | nevcairiel | why would it be different, though o.O |
| 20:39.08 | Guillotine | It doesn't matter |
| 20:39.10 | Guillotine | because macs suck |
| 20:39.13 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 20:39.15 | TecnoBrat | well .. windows doesn't care |
| 20:39.17 | TecnoBrat | but mac will |
| 20:39.28 | nevcairiel | Guillotine has a point |
| 20:39.32 | Guillotine | windows is more accepting. Apparently mac is a casist bastard |
| 20:39.37 | TecnoBrat | YES! |
| 20:39.56 | Mrdeadlock | LoL. It's really Wow, that won't work, i guess. |
| 20:40.03 | Mrdeadlock | Maybe its thee java client? |
| 20:40.12 | Mrdeadlock | I use linux. I figured i'd let you guys know. |
| 20:40.26 | Mrdeadlock | Hope an updated version gets out. It seems to work great besides that. |
| 20:40.26 | Mrdeadlock | Great job. |
| 20:40.44 | Guillotine | Next thing we know, macs will be forming 'pod supremacy groups' |
| 20:41.13 | Guillotine | MP3PLAYERIST! |
| 20:41.52 | Mrdeadlock | I was just confused, installed some addons thru it. Went to go use them, and was like 'wtf' |
| 20:41.55 | TecnoBrat | cookiest! |
| 20:41.57 | Lunessa | <-- Mac User, Windows User, Linux user. |
| 20:42.07 | NightHawkAtWork | heh, this is great.. http://compsci.ca/blog/if-a-programming-language-was-a-boat/ |
| 20:42.10 | Guillotine | TecnoBrat: gief cookie |
| 20:42.14 | Mrdeadlock | Went into the directory, and was like "Oh maybe thats it" didnt see any comments on WOWUI updater page. |
| 20:42.22 | Mrdeadlock | Figured this was the next best stop. |
| 20:42.49 | Mrdeadlock | I have mac in a virtual machine. :-), I used to use windows. :-) |
| 20:42.51 | TecnoBrat | Mrdeadlock, heres a suggestion |
| 20:42.57 | TecnoBrat | rename AddOns to Addons |
| 20:42.59 | TecnoBrat | all will work |
| 20:43.00 | Guillotine | hahaha, <3 the html one |
| 20:43.07 | TecnoBrat | Don't have a "AddOns" at all |
| 20:43.16 | TecnoBrat | since ur using wine, its case insensitive |
| 20:43.21 | TecnoBrat | so it wont matter to wine |
| 20:43.31 | NightHawkAtWork | Guillotine: yeah, that amused me. :) |
| 20:43.47 | Guillotine | php one is quite good too :P |
| 20:43.49 | Mrdeadlock | Alright, i'll have to merg the two addon folders. |
| 20:43.58 | Mrdeadlock | Then keep the oen names addons? |
| 20:44.10 | Mrdeadlock | So that when i want to install more thru wowuiupdater, it will work properly? |
| 20:44.11 | NightHawkAtWork | they're all rather good, and fairly accurate. :P |
| 20:45.08 | Guillotine | NightHawk: though I am disappointed that there is no python. |
| 20:46.42 | Mrdeadlock | Will my assessment be correct? Move evrything from AddOns to Addons, then delete AddOns? Then it will install properly? |
| 20:46.47 | pastamancer | haha, LISP is like a hydrofoil |
| 20:47.17 | Duman | the language, lisp? |
| 20:47.35 | pastamancer | from the comments on the page NightHawkAtWork linked |
| 20:47.37 | Gnarfoz | is there any indication of how many times someone has been killed in a battleground? for the "50 deaths in the same bg = worth no more honor" thing? |
| 20:47.54 | Duman | lisp is pretty rad, actually |
| 20:48.02 | NightHawkAtWork | so are hydrofoils. :P |
| 20:48.25 | Duman | wow, turing is a real language? |
| 20:48.30 | Duman | I wrote a turing compiler in college |
| 20:48.36 | Duman | I thought it was sort of a made-up language |
| 20:48.44 | Duman | sort of pascal-esque, anyway |
| 20:49.00 | nevcairiel | you can write algorithms in turing just fine .P |
| 20:49.03 | pastamancer | I'm assuming it just gives you the basic turing-machine operations? |
| 20:49.37 | NightHawkAtWork | arn't all languages ultimately just made-up? :p |
| 20:49.53 | Lopeppeppy | Exactly, Existential NightHawkAtWork! |
| 20:50.02 | TecnoBrat | Mrdeadlock, it should |
| 20:50.15 | TecnoBrat | as long as you don't have anything trying to use "AddOns" |
| 20:50.18 | ExistentialHawk | :P |
| 20:50.26 | Guillotine | actually |
| 20:50.37 | Guillotine | on Mac, can't you make a folder reference from AddOns to Addons or something? |
| 20:50.48 | ExistentialHawk | an alias? |
| 20:50.49 | TecnoBrat | sure, you could symbolic link them too |
| 20:50.50 | Mrdeadlock | TecnoBrat, ok. I don't...nothing but wowuiupdate, and WOW use that folder. |
| 20:50.51 | Cide | if there wasn't a language called 'turing' |
| 20:50.56 | Cide | I'd make it and make it turing incomplete |
| 20:51.03 | Polarina | Guillotine: Unix systems have symlinks. |
| 20:51.05 | TecnoBrat | Mrdeadlock, make a symlink :P |
| 20:51.24 | Duman | acutually... |
| 20:51.25 | Mrdeadlock | TecnoBrat, Alright. I knew i could do that, I just figured you guys would want it working properly. :-P |
| 20:51.26 | ExistentialHawk | yeah, what they said. |
| 20:51.30 | Mrdeadlock | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:51.33 | Duman | I recall seeing a post about symlinks being broken in 2.4 |
| 20:51.34 | Duman | (for macs) |
| 20:51.41 | Guillotine | oh yah, Duman is right |
| 20:51.42 | ExistentialHawk | although, AddOns vs Addons shouldn't matter |
| 20:51.43 | Duman | ie, wow wasn't following them |
| 20:51.45 | TecnoBrat | Mrdeadlock, doubt the "linux community" is big enough :P |
| 20:51.47 | Polarina | Duman: *Sarcasm detected!* |
| 20:51.59 | Guillotine | though was that fixed in the mini patch? |
| 20:52.05 | Mrdeadlock | Well, it really can't be that hard, to change the case of one letter. |
| 20:52.05 | Duman | oh, perhaps 2.4.1 fixed it, dunno |
| 20:52.10 | Duman | I know it was broken in 2.4.0 |
| 20:52.12 | ExistentialHawk | unless the application is poorly programmed to actually care about case sensetivity in paths, or someone set their file system to be case sensetive.. >.> |
| 20:52.16 | TecnoBrat | Mrdeadlock, it will break mac |
| 20:52.20 | TecnoBrat | since mac DOES use Addons |
| 20:52.24 | TecnoBrat | and windows uses AddOns |
| 20:52.27 | Duman | it was checking for type=file... whihc fails for symlinks |
| 20:52.34 | Mrdeadlock | <.< hhmmm |
| 20:52.37 | pastamancer | it's generally a bad idea to use case-sensitive HFS |
| 20:52.39 | Mrdeadlock | Make linux + mac version :-) |
| 20:52.43 | Gnarfoz | windows ueses "Addons" just like Mac. |
| 20:52.47 | ExistentialHawk | pastamancer: indeed, its not the default, so. :P |
| 20:52.56 | TecnoBrat | Gnarfoz, not by default, no |
| 20:52.57 | pastamancer | Interface/AddOns on my mac |
| 20:52.58 | TecnoBrat | delete it |
| 20:53.00 | Gnarfoz | TecnoBrat: yes, by default |
| 20:53.03 | Duman | (or I guess type=directory in this case) |
| 20:53.23 | Gnarfoz | I never deleted that folder, so why should it be different then back when it was created by WoW? ^^ |
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| 20:54.27 | Gnarfoz | anyway, I fail @ purging obsolete stuff from GloryLib and HonorFu, so I'm off to actually play WoW xD |
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| 21:00.08 | Guillotine | Is it just me, or was the minimap greatly changed for AV? |
| 21:00.11 | Guillotine | seems much more blue |
| 21:00.59 | AbsoRayne | LETS DOOOO THE TIIIMMME WAAARP AGAAAAAAIIIIN |
| 21:01.13 | Polarina | Guillotine: It's blue when you're drowning. |
| 21:01.37 | Guillotine | drowning in AV? o.O |
| 21:02.04 | kd3 | there is a pond that used to have fish in it |
| 21:02.29 | Polarina | Guillotine: Yes. Now get up from the water, would ya? :) |
| 21:02.51 | Guillotine | Ah, kd3 is right, I could be drowning. Though... that doesn't seem very probable |
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| 21:07.33 | TecnoBrat | someone put food coloring in the snow |
| 21:07.53 | Polarina | TecnoBrat: Which colour? White? |
| 21:08.23 | ExistentialHawk | this is neat http://www.ironicsans.com/2008/03/idea_the_bulbdial_clock.html |
| 21:10.26 | Guillotine | interesting, but doesn't seem too practical. I mean with a 2:1 ratio (usually) of light directly hitting and being blocked, it doesn't seem like the shadow would be too distinct |
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| 21:11.14 | Polarina | ExistentialHawk: It won't work. |
| 21:12.18 | ExistentialHawk | Polarina: probaly not. but its still neat. :P |
| 21:12.39 | Polarina | ExistentialHawk: The light will lit up each others shadow. |
| 21:13.02 | Tem | Polarina: did you ever finish hacking wine? |
| 21:13.09 | Tem | I was curious to see a screenshot of that |
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| 21:13.18 | TecnoBrat | so .. basically ... its still a mechanical clock |
| 21:13.21 | TecnoBrat | just with shadows? |
| 21:13.29 | Polarina | Tem: I can't figure out how WoW sets the camera. |
| 21:13.34 | Tem | :( |
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| 21:25.04 | Polarina | Tem: But I'm not giving up, yet. :) |
| 21:26.48 | Tem | eww |
| 21:27.06 | Polarina | ? |
| 21:27.06 | Tem | this web client does the |
| 21:27.15 | Tem | auto away stuff |
| 21:27.25 | Tem | it's not spamming the channel, is it? |
| 21:27.34 | Polarina | Nope. :) |
| 21:27.38 | Tem | ah good |
| 21:28.17 | Polarina | Tem: Unless my script works and auto-ignores auto-away messages. *sarcasm* |
| 21:31.05 | Tem | heh |
| 21:33.46 | TecnoBrat | its not spamming :P |
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| 21:37.39 | Guillotine | http://digg.com/baseball/Digg_users_unite_Let_s_Rickroll_the_NY_Mets_all_year <-- win |
| 21:38.20 | deltron | jesus digg |
| 21:38.26 | deltron | that was started on reddit this morning :P |
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| 21:38.36 | deltron | digg == biters |
| 21:39.29 | Tuller | you crazy people and your moving channels :P |
| 21:40.09 | Lopeppeppy | Just a wild and crazy bunch! |
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| 21:52.39 | Polarina | I got a screenshot! :D |
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| 21:58.24 | Lunessa | Tuller - did you see Deisim's post? |
| 21:58.40 | Tuller | the screenshot feature request? :P |
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| 21:59.18 | Lunessa | Yeah. I laughed pretty hard. |
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| 22:01.53 | Apoco | why do we want to be more inclusive Cairenn? |
| 22:02.26 | Cairenn | because being inclusive is nice |
| 22:02.41 | ExistentialHawk | *sigh* programming lesson #1: It's never just the ONE bug you found that's causing that error. |
| 22:02.51 | Tuller | mwahahahaha |
| 22:03.23 | Tuller | lesson #2: it is just one bug, you've just happened to be fixing something completely unreleated :) |
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| 22:03.35 | sdouble | /wave Cairenn |
| 22:03.36 | Tuller | related, even |
| 22:03.41 | Cairenn | :) |
| 22:03.43 | Cairenn | see? easy |
| 22:03.51 | Cairenn | no effort on your end |
| 22:03.52 | sdouble | /hop |
| 22:03.55 | klip | :) |
| 22:03.56 | Cairenn | heh, yup |
| 22:04.00 | sdouble | heh, so spoiled we are |
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| 22:04.40 | Lunessa | Lesson #3 - It doesn't matter if you write what they asked for, it's not what they wanted. |
| 22:05.10 | Lopeppeppy | It doesn't matter if you write what they appear to want, if it's not what they asked for. |
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| 22:10.06 | Lunessa | time for me to go home. See you all tomorrow. |
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| 22:17.02 | Guillotine | Lesson #4 If you have a giant error and spend hours attempting to debug, look for an incorrect case or missing letter. Inevitably, you made a VERY small mistake |
| 22:17.36 | Guillotine | Lesson #5 Its not a bug. Its a failsafe feature |
| 22:19.01 | wereHamster | is anything ever a bug? there are no bugs in this world, it's all features |
| 22:19.35 | TecnoBrat | Lesson #4 is so true |
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| 22:21.19 | ExistentialHawk | wereHamster: http://macnugget.org/photos/cars/feature :D |
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| 22:29.18 | Tuller | yay now i remember what i'm supposed to do |
| 22:29.21 | Tuller | test stances on warriors! |
| 22:29.42 | Tuller | go witherstink! |
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| 22:44.10 | Nechckn | Tuller Bongos 3 is pretty cool |
| 22:44.27 | Tuller | thanks |
| 22:44.32 | Tuller | what do you like/hate about it so far? :) |
| 22:44.35 | Nechckn | setup is easy, since the buttons stay in their previous locales |
| 22:44.50 | Nechckn | I was most worried about that- changing from 2 - 3 |
| 22:45.12 | ExistentialHawk | Tuller: i've been meaning to pster you about this, your buff highlighting isnt working properly for my totem buffs... :P |
| 22:45.33 | Nechckn | I like how it's more modularized- map, time, etc.. all seperate- and, like 2, I can turn off the cast bar and use Quartz |
| 22:45.37 | Tuller | ExistentialHawk: I think that's because totems are a special case :) |
| 22:45.45 | Nechckn | since I love me some "Faux jewels" |
| 22:45.59 | Tuller | ExistentialHawk: bongos checks for spellnames on the target |
| 22:46.07 | ExistentialHawk | Tuller: probably. If i was at home and could test it, I would be more specific, i'm at work atm, though. |
| 22:46.30 | Tuller | ExistentialHawk: its really more of a hack than anything else |
| 22:46.40 | Nechckn | I believe the highlighting is eiter more noticable now - or new - so you know when a buff is active, etc too |
| 22:46.52 | ExistentialHawk | yeah, I kind of figured, i just wanted to let you know |
| 22:47.21 | Nechckn | hehehe yes, oh nigh.. err ExistentialHawk, totems were my next query =) |
| 22:47.35 | Nechckn | but now I can look like "Gloating, nice guy" thank you! |
| 22:47.53 | NightHawkAtWork | Nechckn: no problems, i'm always willing to be the complaining jerk. :D |
| 22:48.07 | Tuller | at some point, I should build up an exception list |
| 22:49.05 | Nechckn | The change with stances was about the only thing that didn't "magically" translate but with a bit of reading I found the slider |
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| 22:49.53 | Nechckn | I kept trying to slide the stance to enable "bar 7 and 8" or whatever for cat and bear but it just wouldn't work So I actually cracked a book and bam all done |
| 22:50.10 | Nechckn | well, Ace site, in this case |
| 22:50.20 | NightHawkAtWork | heh |
| 22:50.22 | Nechckn | Ah, the power of words.... |
| 22:50.35 | Tuller | its something I need to make more obvious |
| 22:50.44 | Tuller | because its really different from bongos2 |
| 22:51.02 | Nechckn | indeed- it does make sense, but I was a bit mystified at first |
| 22:51.08 | NightHawkAtWork | but yeah, bongos3 is really hot, otherwise. :D |
| 22:51.24 | Tuller | not that the bongos2 way was obvious either, but people were trained to know it :P |
| 22:51.41 | Nechckn | Ha- very true |
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| 22:52.28 | sior|away | wow |
| 22:52.32 | sior|away | new channel, eh? |
| 22:52.34 | Nechckn | now if we could just get the combined bongos/x-perl I'd be all set |
| 22:52.35 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 22:52.39 | Nechckn | j/k j/k |
| 22:52.50 | Cairenn | don't have to change your login script or anything though, it auto-forwards |
| 22:52.56 | sior|away | i see that, heh |
| 22:52.58 | Tuller | Nechckn: sage? :P |
| 22:53.01 | Nechckn | you and telic both get my share o' kudos |
| 22:53.12 | Cairenn | happy belated birthday, btw :) |
| 22:53.17 | Tuller | though sage is much more limited in scope |
| 22:53.24 | Tuller | and thank you, assuming you're refering to me :) |
| 22:53.48 | Nechckn | I've not tried the sage route but may give it a look |
| 22:53.59 | NightHawkAtWork | sadly, i'm far too hooked on the look/customizability of pitbull to use any other existing unit frame. >< |
| 22:54.01 | Nechckn | I recall seeing something about it at once time or another |
| 22:54.02 | dylanm | Sage is great. |
| 22:55.33 | sior|away | thanks Cairenn :) |
| 22:55.39 | Nechckn | well, I'll let you get back to it, just wanted to /toss in my 2 cents |
| 22:55.40 | Cairenn | :) |
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| 23:13.37 | Cairenn | hey Dotted, do you remember who Mr.Useful belongs to? |
| 23:13.45 | Dotted | Olison |
| 23:14.30 | Cairenn | thanks |
| 23:14.59 | Polarina | Cairenn: "Away: sleeping. do not page." |
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| 23:15.51 | Cairenn | *nod* that's why I just do it that way, rather than sending a PM, that way I don't bug someone when they don't want to be bugged - they just answer the ping when they're avail |
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| 23:27.53 | Industrial | lol I saw hard gay in Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu |
| 23:27.57 | Industrial | er, wrong channel |
| 23:28.38 | NightHawkAtWork | ... |
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| 23:34.50 | kd3 | yah, that was pretty amusing seeing that way back when |
| 23:35.20 | kd3 | bah, timestamps |
| 23:39.17 | TecnoBrat | kd3, scrolled up? |
| 23:39.18 | TecnoBrat | :P |
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| 23:45.58 | Guillotine | I do that all the time :( |
| 23:47.16 | Dotted | who doesnt :p |
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| 23:53.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Industrial: what the |
