| 00:02.22 | foxlit|mac | sometimes I want static variables rather than upvalues :( |
| 00:04.07 | Shirik|AFK | why? |
| 00:04.20 | devbin | is it reasonable that I should expect TEMPVAR = GetItemInfo(43532); to work? |
| 00:04.43 | Shirik | if item 43532 is in your cache, yes |
| 00:05.10 | devbin | well, its actually getting the number from item link from an item in one of my bags |
| 00:05.14 | devbin | I know that part works |
| 00:05.18 | Shirik | but if you haven't seen it, no. I.e., you can't go for x = 1, 1000000 do table.insert(someItemList, { GetItemInfo(x) }) end |
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| 00:05.57 | devbin | when I do that, the only thing in the saved variable TEMPVAR is "Staunch Hammer of Stamina" |
| 00:06.09 | Shirik | what do you want it to be? |
| 00:06.34 | Shirik | TEMPVAR is only one variable. Thus, it will take only one value (the first return from GetItemInfo(), which happens to be its name. |
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| 00:06.38 | Shirik | !api GetItemInfo |
| 00:06.39 | ThraeBot | Shirik: itemName, itemLink, itemRarity, itemLevel, itemMinLevel, itemType, itemSubType, itemStackCount, itemEquipLoc, itemTexture = GetItemInfo(itemID or "itemString" or "itemName" or "itemLink") -- http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetItemInfo |
| 00:06.42 | Shirik | as you can see, it has multiple returns |
| 00:06.43 | devbin | I want the type, rarity level, etc |
| 00:06.48 | Shirik | you want all of it? |
| 00:06.56 | Shirik | TEMPVAR = { GetItemInfo(...) } |
| 00:07.04 | devbin | ah ok |
| 00:07.08 | Shirik | however you should be aware that tables are expensive and doing this a lot can cost you |
| 00:07.27 | Shirik | especially (as the name implies) if this is temporary |
| 00:07.34 | Shirik | you are going to have a lot of garbage generated |
| 00:07.51 | devbin | right on the money, thanks. |
| 00:07.53 | Shirik | you are better off doing something like |
| 00:08.02 | devbin | go on... |
| 00:08.05 | Shirik | local itemName, itemLink, itemRarity, itemLevel .... = GetItemInfo() |
| 00:08.08 | Shirik | making all of those variables |
| 00:08.15 | devbin | I see |
| 00:08.24 | devbin | so its just better management that way |
| 00:08.31 | devbin | rather than having less code |
| 00:08.39 | Shirik | it's faster and will consume less memory |
| 00:08.40 | devbin | makes sense |
| 00:08.44 | devbin | ok, good call |
| 00:08.45 | Shirik | instead of creating a new table on every loop |
| 00:09.45 | devbin | right |
| 00:09.51 | devbin | well, this doesnt have the info I want anyway |
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| 00:10.41 | devbin | I wanted the weapon(damage - damage, speed) or armor(armor, place etc) |
| 00:11.18 | Shirik | the only way to get those is by parsing the tooltip iirc |
| 00:11.30 | devbin | yeah, I think you're right |
| 00:11.33 | devbin | I was trying to avoid that :) |
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| 00:12.33 | devbin | there doesnt seem to be any tooltip functions in the api section |
| 00:13.10 | Nargiddley | look at the widget api for GameToolTip |
| 00:13.55 | foxlit|mac | function parent() local t={}; ... initialize table ... local function child() parent = child; ... code ... end child(); end |
| 00:14.44 | foxlit|mac | Is my brain trying to tell me It's time to go to sleep, or is that somewhat viable? |
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| 00:15.01 | Nargiddley | what are you trying to do ? |
| 00:15.29 | devbin | what I thought I would end up having to do. |
| 00:15.31 | Shirik | foxlit|mac: That is so wrong I don't know where to begin to start |
| 00:15.31 | foxlit|mac | Suppose I had a function that, when run the first time, needed to do a large amount of work that'd never need to be done again |
| 00:15.39 | devbin | I want the item info fromthe items in my inventory |
| 00:15.41 | Shirik | firstly, on your initial call to parent(), parent() will never work again |
| 00:15.47 | Shirik | oh...... |
| 00:15.56 | Shirik | now that you explained it, it makes a little more sense :P |
| 00:16.18 | foxlit|mac | So we make our local table, and we place the code that needs to work on this table in a local child function |
| 00:16.22 | devbin | meaning armor value, armor place, name, enhancements, level requ.. |
| 00:16.22 | Shirik | but did you want "return child()" ? |
| 00:16.33 | foxlit|mac | Shirik: assuming I had a return, yeah |
| 00:16.35 | Shirik | also that looks infinitely recursive to me |
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| 00:16.41 | Shirik | unless "code" does something different |
| 00:16.43 | foxlit|mac | Need to move assignment out of child |
| 00:17.08 | devbin | sorry, that part of that was in response to me |
| 00:17.27 | foxlit|mac | function parent(...) --[[ init, declare child ]] parent=child; return parent(...); end |
| 00:17.28 | Shirik | foxlit: Even if it didn't have a return |
| 00:17.33 | Shirik | I'd recommend "return child()" for the tailcall |
| 00:18.19 | Wobin_ | redefining the definition of a function within that function seems... wrong to me |
| 00:18.31 | Shirik | but it's logical :) |
| 00:18.32 | Wobin_ | mental scoping issues =P |
| 00:18.52 | Shirik | he wants it to work one way once and then differently from then on :) |
| 00:18.54 | Wobin_ | I bet, however, three months from now it'll be "... child, parent... whutwhutwhut???" |
| 00:19.08 | Shirik | I want to see this though |
| 00:20.32 | Shirik | lua> t = setmetatable({}, {__mode = 'v'}); function f() f = function() end collectgarbage"collect" print(t,"What's that?"); end t[1] = f; print(t, "Moving on..."); f(); print(t, "Done!"); |
| 00:20.32 | cladbot | Shirik: { function: 0x80bb0c0 } (#1), Moving on..., <table: #1>, What's that?, <table: #1>, Done! |
| 00:20.37 | Shirik | huh |
| 00:20.42 | Shirik | so it gets removed but it can keep going |
| 00:20.45 | Shirik | curious |
| 00:21.28 | Shirik | I was hoping for something more exciting like a crash :( |
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| 00:25.41 | Shirik | lua> t = setmetatable({}, {__mode = 'v'}); function f() f = function() end collectgarbage"collect" print(t,"What's that?"); local dt = {}; for x = 1, 10000 do dt[x] = 1; end print("Still here!"); end t[1] = f; print(t, "Moving on..."); f(); print(t, "Done!"); |
| 00:25.41 | cladbot | Shirik: { function: 0x80bb100 } (#1), Moving on..., <table: #1>, What's that?, Still here!, <table: #1>, Done! |
| 00:25.44 | Shirik | =( |
| 00:25.54 | Shirik | I'm going to assume they safeguarded it rather well |
| 00:26.07 | foxlit|mac | Well, it'll certainly be interesting in 3 months if it starts crashing randomly when GC catches up to the context |
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| 00:36.32 | bleeter | for those who aren't in wowwiki.... |
| 00:36.33 | bleeter | http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/more_sport/article2461339.ece |
| 00:37.21 | bleeter | McRae's agent's confirmed that Colin McRae, his son, a friend of McCrae's from schooldays and his friend's son have been killed in a chopper crash outside McRae's home |
| 00:38.18 | foxlit|mac | Hrm, weird |
| 00:38.30 | foxlit|mac | I can cache string.char(i) results in a table, and that actually makes things faster |
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| 01:15.04 | clad|away | !ap 1652 |
| 01:15.04 | ThraeBot | clad|away: Arena points from a rating of 1652 is, 2v2: 391, 3v3: 447, 5v5: 559 |
| 01:16.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | !ap 1500 |
| 01:16.08 | ThraeBot | Mr_Rabies2: Arena points from a rating of 1500 is, 2v2: 263, 3v3: 300, 5v5: 376 |
| 01:16.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | !ap 1499 |
| 01:16.16 | ThraeBot | Mr_Rabies2: Arena points from a rating of 1499 is, 2v2: 262, 3v3: 300, 5v5: 375 |
| 01:16.31 | clad|away | !ap 1606 |
| 01:16.31 | ThraeBot | clad|away: Arena points from a rating of 1606 is, 2v2: 349, 3v3: 399, 5v5: 499 |
| 01:18.49 | Thunder_Child | !ap 1000000000000000000000000000000 |
| 01:18.49 | ThraeBot | Thunder_Child: Arena points from a rating of -2147483648 is, 2v2: 998, 3v3: 1141, 5v5: 1426 |
| 01:18.56 | Thunder_Child | huh, still hasent fixed it |
| 01:18.58 | Kaydeethree | hah |
| 01:19.00 | clad|away | lol |
| 01:19.37 | Shirik | strange, because he blocks this |
| 01:19.40 | Shirik | hey wait a sec |
| 01:19.43 | Shirik | !ap -1 |
| 01:19.48 | Shirik | =( |
| 01:19.51 | Shirik | ThraeBot hates me |
| 01:19.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | !ap 100 |
| 01:19.52 | ThraeBot | Mr_Rabies2: Rating given is above the threshold for conversion. Try a different number. Or perhaps you meant to convert points to ratings (!ar)? Either way, you fail at life. |
| 01:19.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | O_o |
| 01:19.58 | Shirik | !ap -1 |
| 01:20.08 | Shirik | !ap 150 |
| 01:20.08 | ThraeBot | Shirik: Rating given is above the threshold for conversion. Try a different number. Or perhaps you meant to convert points to ratings (!ar)? Either way, you fail at life. |
| 01:20.11 | Shirik | !ap 400 |
| 01:20.11 | ThraeBot | Shirik: Rating given is above the threshold for conversion. Try a different number. Or perhaps you meant to convert points to ratings (!ar)? Either way, you fail at life. |
| 01:20.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | !ap 500 |
| 01:20.13 | ThraeBot | Mr_Rabies2: Rating given is above the threshold for conversion. Try a different number. Or perhaps you meant to convert points to ratings (!ar)? Either way, you fail at life. |
| 01:20.13 | Shirik | oops |
| 01:20.15 | Shirik | um |
| 01:20.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | lols |
| 01:20.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | !ap 1000 |
| 01:20.18 | ThraeBot | Mr_Rabies2: Arena points from a rating of 1000 is, 2v2: 130, 3v3: 148, 5v5: 186 |
| 01:20.19 | Shirik | I think we broke it >< |
| 01:20.28 | Shirik | oh wait |
| 01:20.31 | Shirik | yeah, ap |
| 01:20.33 | Shirik | that's right |
| 01:20.46 | Shirik | let's see |
| 01:20.51 | Shirik | -2147483648 |
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| 01:21.19 | Shirik | that's 32 bit yeah? |
| 01:21.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | !ap 65535 |
| 01:21.39 | ThraeBot | Mr_Rabies2: Arena points from a rating of 65535 is, 2v2: 998, 3v3: 1141, 5v5: 1426 |
| 01:21.39 | Shirik | lua> 2^32-1 |
| 01:21.40 | cladbot | Shirik: 4294967295 |
| 01:21.51 | Shirik | !ap 4294967295 |
| 01:21.51 | ThraeBot | Shirik: Arena points from a rating of -2147483648 is, 2v2: 998, 3v3: 1141, 5v5: 1426 |
| 01:21.53 | Shirik | bleh |
| 01:21.58 | Shirik | I want -1 :( |
| 01:21.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | !ap 65536 |
| 01:21.59 | ThraeBot | Mr_Rabies2: Arena points from a rating of 65536 is, 2v2: 998, 3v3: 1141, 5v5: 1426 |
| 01:22.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | !ap -2147483648 |
| 01:22.28 | bleeter | !ap 6442450943 |
| 01:22.28 | ThraeBot | bleeter: Arena points from a rating of -2147483648 is, 2v2: 998, 3v3: 1141, 5v5: 1426 |
| 01:22.34 | Guillotine | hehe, its an untyped integer |
| 01:22.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | lua>1^31-1 |
| 01:22.43 | cladbot | Mr_Rabies2: 0 |
| 01:22.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | :x |
| 01:22.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | rofl |
| 01:22.51 | bleeter | ThraeBot fails at life |
| 01:23.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | lua> 2^31-1 |
| 01:23.15 | cladbot | Mr_Rabies2: 2147483647 |
| 01:23.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | there we go |
| 01:23.26 | Guillotine | !ap 2147483649 |
| 01:23.26 | ThraeBot | Guillotine: Arena points from a rating of -2147483648 is, 2v2: 998, 3v3: 1141, 5v5: 1426 |
| 01:23.32 | Shirik | Guillotine: Untyped integer? |
| 01:23.36 | Shirik | What language is this? |
| 01:23.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | - != lua> - |
| 01:23.50 | Guillotine | Shirik: seems the bot was written in c |
| 01:23.58 | Shirik | C doesn't have any "untyped integers" ... |
| 01:24.04 | Guillotine | yes it does |
| 01:24.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | note that that number looks really close to the number anove :o |
| 01:24.08 | Shirik | ? |
| 01:24.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | above* |
| 01:24.20 | Shirik | how would you declare this? |
| 01:24.20 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Thrae |
| 01:24.21 | purl | Thrae: Fail. |
| 01:24.42 | Shirik | that's what I was pushing for, assuming it was C |
| 01:24.51 | Shirik | but if that were the case, 4294967295 should go to -1 |
| 01:25.00 | Guillotine | untyped int apoints; |
| 01:25.04 | Guillotine | yah, it should |
| 01:25.06 | Iriel | unSIGNED |
| 01:25.07 | Shirik | untyped is a real keyword? |
| 01:25.08 | Iriel | not unTYPED |
| 01:25.10 | Guillotine | unsigned |
| 01:25.11 | Guillotine | right |
| 01:25.16 | Shirik | but that's not untyped.. |
| 01:25.27 | Shirik | and I'm assuming here it is an "int points" |
| 01:25.32 | Guillotine | no, iriel's right. I meant unsigned |
| 01:25.33 | Shirik | ("signed int points") |
| 01:25.36 | herzogthc | woah i successfully edited metawkb i'm amazed :P |
| 01:25.44 | Shirik | it can't be unsigned as proven by the output |
| 01:25.47 | bleeter | hehe |
| 01:25.55 | Shirik | well unless he typecasted it later |
| 01:26.49 | Shirik | but in C if you did something like "int n = 4294967295" or "unsigned int n = 4294967295" followed by a printf("%d", (int)n) |
| 01:26.49 | foxlit|mac | bitlib: 3.5 times faster than doing your own bxor |
| 01:26.56 | Shirik | you should end up getting -1 |
| 01:27.07 | Guillotine | lua>2^32 |
| 01:27.07 | cladbot | Guillotine: 4294967296 |
| 01:27.12 | Guillotine | right |
| 01:27.24 | foxlit|mac | (at least my simplistic per-bit comparison function) |
| 01:27.33 | Shirik | foxlit|mac: heh |
| 01:28.01 | foxlit|mac | Shirik: a ^ b without ^. |
| 01:28.20 | Shirik | ? |
| 01:28.31 | Guillotine | !ap 4294967297 |
| 01:28.32 | ThraeBot | Guillotine: Arena points from a rating of -2147483648 is, 2v2: 998, 3v3: 1141, 5v5: 1426 |
| 01:28.36 | foxlit|mac | Going from heh to ? is a bad development :) |
| 01:28.43 | foxlit|mac | What was the heh about? :) |
| 01:28.44 | Guillotine | if its anything above the max, its just -21... |
| 01:28.53 | Shirik | foxlit|mac: About you trying to make your own bit.bxor |
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| 01:29.03 | Shirik | Guillotine: Exactly, which makes me believe it's not written in C |
| 01:29.06 | Shirik | becaues that's not how C would react |
| 01:29.21 | foxlit|mac | Yeah, want code to run even if there is no bitlib |
| 01:29.22 | Guillotine | Shirik: right. I said that after seeing one person do it and assumed incorrectly |
| 01:29.27 | Shirik | :) |
| 01:29.38 | Shirik | foxlit|mac: include bitlib :P |
| 01:29.57 | Guillotine | could be VB. I believe a VB int is +-2^31 |
| 01:30.04 | foxlit|mac | Then I'd have to worry about target platforms |
| 01:30.08 | foxlit|mac | No, it couldn't be VB |
| 01:30.14 | Guillotine | alright. don't know much about vb |
| 01:30.23 | foxlit|mac | Default compiler options will generate an error if you overflow something |
| 01:30.29 | Guillotine | python? |
| 01:30.33 | Shirik | it's not Lua because Lua has much larger numbers |
| 01:30.39 | Guillotine | definately not lua |
| 01:30.53 | Iriel | java's int is 32 bits |
| 01:31.11 | Shirik | yeah but how does Java work too? |
| 01:31.15 | foxlit|mac | It's Lua |
| 01:31.16 | Shirik | I never actually ever did try to overflow in Java |
| 01:31.35 | Iriel | well, there are these bits and bytes, and then there's this virtual machine thing... |
| 01:31.40 | Shirik | ....... |
| 01:31.40 | foxlit|mac | Well, to be more exact, it's c behind Lua, but it's still Lua. |
| 01:31.48 | Shirik | what happens if you overflow an int on Java |
| 01:31.54 | foxlit|mac | > =string.format("%d", 4294967297); |
| 01:31.54 | foxlit|mac | -2147483648 |
| 01:32.11 | Shirik | huh |
| 01:32.16 | Iriel | Dont forget you did %d |
| 01:32.17 | Shirik | that's interesting |
| 01:32.27 | Shirik | Iriel: But he's right, Thrae could have done the same thing |
| 01:32.28 | Guillotine | could be that Thrae does %d too |
| 01:32.30 | Iriel | string.format is based on printf |
| 01:32.41 | foxlit|mac | string.format isn't as much Lua as it is C |
| 01:32.43 | Shirik | yeah but that's now how printf would react |
| 01:32.44 | Iriel | I never said it wasn't lua 8-) |
| 01:32.45 | Kaydeethree | overflow.java:3: integer number too large: 10000000000000000000 |
| 01:32.45 | Kaydeethree | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:32.45 | Kaydeethree | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:32.45 | Kaydeethree | 1 error |
| 01:32.59 | Iriel | You can overflow them with addition tho |
| 01:32.59 | Shirik | Kaydeethree: that's a compiler error, no? |
| 01:33.02 | Shirik | What about i++ |
| 01:33.05 | Shirik | until you go over |
| 01:33.05 | Kaydeethree | ya, compiler error |
| 01:33.13 | Kaydeethree | lua> 2^32-1 |
| 01:33.14 | cladbot | Kaydeethree: 4294967295 |
| 01:34.29 | Iriel | lua> return string.format("%.f", 2^32+3) |
| 01:34.29 | cladbot | Iriel: 4294967299 |
| 01:34.55 | Shirik | is the . really necessary? |
| 01:36.09 | foxlit|mac | No, it's not |
| 01:36.34 | foxlit|mac | But you'd get the decimal point spelled out for you if it's not there |
| 01:37.09 | Iriel | It's necessary for the same output format |
| 01:37.55 | bleeter | Assignment questions I wish they'd ask @ Uni... James Gosling was on mushies when he developed Oak. Discuss. |
| 01:38.09 | Shirik | Anyway for the Java overflow issue |
| 01:38.15 | Shirik | Overflow detected! 2147483647 -> -2147483648 |
| 01:38.19 | Shirik | so it follows the same pattern as C |
| 01:38.32 | Kaydeethree | ya, just about to post that. 2^31 |
| 01:39.00 | Shirik | Using this code: http://wowi.pastey.net/73901 |
| 01:40.47 | Shirik | huh... |
| 01:40.55 | Shirik | I was waiting for clad|away to yell at me for doing something like " lastI = i++; " |
| 01:41.02 | foxlit|mac | Anyone got access to WC3 BLP files? |
| 01:44.11 | foxlit|mac | http://foxlit.pastey.net/73903 |
| 01:44.29 | devbin | how do I "get" the text rom a tooltip |
| 01:44.33 | devbin | *from |
| 01:47.09 | Thunder_Child | lol, i was playing css had a score of 55-25 and then realised i had my torrents going |
| 01:48.19 | Kaydeethree | ooh, they've released the terran gameplay vid, finally |
| 01:48.24 | Kaydeethree | 665 megs |
| 01:49.54 | devbin | I never did care much for terran |
| 01:51.19 | buu | Kaydeethree: It's pretty cool. |
| 01:51.23 | buu | Like, ridiculously coo. |
| 01:51.29 | buu | Like, ZOMG I WANT IT NOW. |
| 01:51.38 | Kaydeethree | I'm just waiting on the tracker to hand me some decent peers |
| 01:52.08 | devbin | let me rephrase, is there a widget to get the text from the tooltip, or is it some messy trick to get it out of there? |
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| 01:53.43 | Iriel | devbin: you iterate over the lines and do GetText on each |
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| 01:57.15 | devbin | I dont see anything for gettext |
| 01:58.27 | Shirik | devbin: http://wowwiki.com/Widget_API |
| 01:58.28 | Shirik | it's right there |
| 01:58.50 | Shirik | keep in mind that... |
| 01:58.53 | Shirik | "GameTooltip has all of the methods from UIObject, Region and Frame, plus the following: " |
| 01:59.47 | Shirik | actually I take that back |
| 01:59.51 | Shirik | it is most definitely not there |
| 02:00.06 | Shirik | and GameTooltip.GetText is nil |
| 02:00.12 | Shirik | oh duh |
| 02:00.15 | Shirik | because it's not the tooltip |
| 02:00.19 | Shirik | you iterate over each line, as Iriel said |
| 02:01.33 | devbin | Im still not with ya :) |
| 02:02.20 | Thunder_Child | lol, it took Shirik 10 lines to say the same thing Iriel said in 1...... |
| 02:02.29 | Shirik | Quiet you!! |
| 02:02.48 | Shirik|QQing | 14(2211:0111:0614) 11-› 11(zelazny.freenode.net11) NickServ set your hostname to "27.123.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com" |
| 02:02.55 | Shirik|QQing | I hate you too NickServ! |
| 02:05.19 | devbin | each line of what? and how do I get this text to iterate over? |
| 02:05.58 | cogwheel | ~lart Shirik |
| 02:05.58 | purl | beats Shirik over the head with a microkernel |
| 02:06.05 | cogwheel | s/~lart Shirik/hey all/ |
| 02:06.14 | Thunder_Child | lol |
| 02:06.21 | Thunder_Child | i like that |
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| 02:08.10 | Thunder_Child | hah, "http://www.blizzcon.com/beta" redirects to "http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/misc/beta-signup.html" yet they still put in "We haven't yet announced what title will be tested..." |
| 02:09.05 | cogwheel | TBH, i hope it's SC2 not WotLK |
| 02:09.15 | Thunder_Child | so do i, but i doubt it |
| 02:10.50 | cogwheel | esp since most of us will probably get into the beta anyway if they do some more UI changes :P |
| 02:11.07 | Thunder_Child | not i, but i can live w/o it |
| 02:15.33 | foxlit|mac | Considering 2.0 rollout on live realms, developer access to beta is somewhat... meh |
| 02:16.08 | foxlit|mac | 8-bit RGBA blp->png converter entirely in Lua |
| 02:16.14 | foxlit|mac | I'm done(ish). |
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| 02:17.44 | clad|away | foxlit|mac: awesome |
| 02:17.51 | clad|away | foxlit|mac: converts both ways i'm assuming? |
| 02:17.56 | foxlit|mac | No |
| 02:18.30 | foxlit|mac | Encoding BLP from PNG would take a lot more code, and is a lot less certain mathematically |
| 02:18.40 | clad|away | hrm |
| 02:18.44 | clad|away | thats unfortunate |
| 02:18.48 | clad|away | what about TGA to BLP? |
| 02:18.53 | Shirik | "Unable to parse image" |
| 02:18.56 | Shirik | heh |
| 02:18.57 | clad|away | that's what we _dont_ have right now. |
| 02:19.07 | clad|away | is a robust TGA->BLP converter |
| 02:19.07 | foxlit|mac | Same thing |
| 02:19.14 | Shirik | define "robust" |
| 02:19.22 | foxlit|mac | TGA is lossless, BLP is lossy |
| 02:19.27 | clad|away | works on multiple platforms |
| 02:19.30 | cogwheel | Shirik: BLP is a proprie |
| 02:19.36 | clad|away | i didn't realize BLP was lossy =/ |
| 02:19.51 | Shirik | is it proprietary? i.e., I can't find white papers on it anywhere? |
| 02:19.58 | cogwheel | tary |
| 02:19.59 | clad|away | yes, its a blizzard prop format |
| 02:20.01 | cogwheel | format |
| 02:20.18 | Shirik | I don't really feel like going around trying to figure out the format >< |
| 02:20.20 | cogwheel | sry... in AB |
| 02:20.29 | foxlit|mac | There aren't any official docs, but between wikipedia and wowwiki, you can more or less get the idea |
| 02:21.22 | cogwheel | and it's the "more or less" that's the problem |
| 02:21.38 | foxlit|mac | Not really - reading from it isn't a problem at all. |
| 02:21.43 | cogwheel | some ->BLP converters create files that can crash wow |
| 02:23.11 | foxlit|mac | People need to be slapped if a malformed graphics format can crash the client |
| 02:23.17 | foxlit|mac | s/format/file/ |
| 02:24.36 | foxlit|mac | I wonder how WoW handles TGAs, but that'll have to wait for later today |
| 02:25.01 | clad|away | what do you mean how it handles it? |
| 02:25.26 | foxlit|mac | If it loads it directly and does not transform it to anything, nobody would need BLPs |
| 02:25.46 | Iriel | BLP's are just wrapped directX textures aren' they? |
| 02:26.20 | foxlit|mac | In one of the encoding modes, yes |
| 02:27.04 | foxlit|mac | Alternatively, can use JPEG (I'm not sure whether WoW buys it, but I think WC3 does), or an RGB-palette + per-pixel alpha channel |
| 02:27.29 | Shirik | 14(2211:2111:4014) 14(1115foxlit|mac14) People need to be slapped if a malformed graphics format can crash the client |
| 02:27.31 | Shirik | totally agree |
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| 02:30.46 | Shirik | woot! |
| 02:30.48 | Shirik | I crashed luac |
| 02:31.00 | Shirik | well, I consider it crashing |
| 02:31.12 | Shirik | >bin\luac -o "LOD.luc" "LOD.lua" |
| 02:31.14 | Shirik | >Process failed to respond; forcing abrupt termination...>Exit code: 0 Time: 3.034 |
| 02:32.25 | Shirik | haha |
| 02:32.28 | Shirik | night foxlit|mac |
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| 03:03.15 | Shirik | wtf |
| 03:03.21 | Shirik | omnicc says my hearthstone cooldown is 50 days |
| 03:03.34 | clad|away | stop being a nub |
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| 03:05.28 | herzogthc | f10d3p7q |
| 03:05.35 | herzogthc | ahhhhhhhhh great :P |
| 03:05.56 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/43e4f2dd82a0bba46053461bde58f4a3.png |
| 03:06.00 | Shirik | *points at the "50d"* |
| 03:11.26 | FlAWD | cooldowncount does that to me |
| 03:11.42 | FlAWD | if i log in when it's over 1h cooldown i believe |
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| 03:12.34 | |Jelly| | I'm so lost. |
| 03:12.43 | Valaron | There there. There is help. |
| 03:12.53 | Valaron | Have a beer. |
| 03:12.54 | |Jelly| | Not here. You're all meany heads. |
| 03:13.04 | |Jelly| | Man. If I had one, I assure you, I would. lol |
| 03:13.22 | Kaydeethree | random insanity in the UI forum? |
| 03:13.27 | Valaron | I am having my first one right now. |
| 03:13.37 | |Jelly| | And nevermind, I just found what the hell he's talking about. Was looking for an alchemy cd. |
| 03:14.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | almost got aran :[ |
| 03:14.43 | |Jelly| | :( |
| 03:17.06 | |Jelly| | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1602654085&sid=1 In regards to these questions. Is there no way to make a warning or something when Cartographer changes it on your minimap from the herb icon (for instance) to the circle? I'm not saying make like an arrow or anything but just "ZOMG! GO HERB!" |
| 03:28.53 | |Jelly| | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1602654060&sid=1 /facepalm |
| 03:29.12 | |Jelly| | I wanna flame him...but I don't wanna bump the thread. PARADOX! |
| 03:33.25 | Valaron | It's not so far down that you can flame him and it wouldn't really count as bumping. |
| 03:33.31 | Valaron | can't |
| 03:33.51 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 03:34.38 | Valaron | I'm stuck at another point in Prince of Persia Rival Swords for Wii. |
| 03:34.54 | |Jelly| | I don't own a Wii. |
| 03:34.58 | |Jelly| | Blasphemy, I know. |
| 03:35.10 | Shirik | !vs us drenden kimina us burning legion jelly |
| 03:35.14 | ThraeBot | Shirik: Kimina vs Jelly! Two 70 priests square off!; Kimina wins by 589 TBRs! ***OWNED!*** |
| 03:35.19 | Shirik | yes, back on top!! |
| 03:35.24 | |Jelly| | Wanna see why? |
| 03:36.23 | Valaron | What does TBR stand for? |
| 03:36.30 | Shirik | ~tbr |
| 03:36.30 | purl | well, tbr is ThraeBot Ratings -- a ThraeBot innovation. Working on a PvP-oriented weighted algorithm for what stats the Armoury currently has for your character, partially modified by build-type, it can be used to pit two characters in TBR vs TBR combat, and tries try to take into account which classes are fighting. (or "to be released") |
| 03:36.36 | Valaron | Ahh |
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| 03:37.50 | |Jelly| | wow...firefox didn't like that at all |
| 03:37.59 | Valaron | What? |
| 03:38.07 | |Jelly| | Trying to open another page? lol |
| 03:38.12 | Shirik | 14(2311:3311:3714) 14(11Shirik14) !vs us drenden kimina us burning legion jelly |
| 03:38.17 | Shirik | 14(2311:3511:0414) 11-› Quit: |Jelly| 11(n=chatzill@adsl-75-55-80-78.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net11) 11(Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)11) |
| 03:38.20 | Shirik | I do believe I win |
| 03:38.34 | |Jelly| | And I'm about to show you why. hush |
| 03:41.02 | Valaron | I gotta get back to my Prince of Persia game. |
| 03:41.06 | Valaron | Hurry it up. |
| 03:41.34 | |Jelly| | You know patience is a virtue, right? |
| 03:41.46 | Shirik | who has virtues anymore anyway |
| 03:41.55 | Thunder_Child | lies! |
| 03:42.07 | Valaron | Take a look at the UI forums.. bumps after 4 secs.. No one has patience. |
| 03:42.16 | |Jelly| | http://i14.tinypic.com/689li6e.jpg <-- not hard to beat someone that can't log on! |
| 03:42.46 | Shirik | T_T |
| 03:42.50 | Valaron | Hoo! |
| 03:43.15 | |Jelly| | So. Who wants to paypal me $15? :P |
| 03:43.30 | Valaron | I think I have $0.10 in mine. |
| 03:43.38 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 03:44.33 | |Jelly| | U.S. Dollar: $1.00 USD I wonder how I managed to keep exactly $1 in there. |
| 03:45.28 | Shirik | maybe the way my bank account works |
| 03:45.43 | Shirik | any time I spend something that is not expressable in exact dollars, they round it up |
| 03:45.54 | Shirik | whatever extra is transferred to my savings account |
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| 03:46.16 | Shirik | so if I spend like $1.75 on groceries, they take $2.00 out of checking and put $0.25 in savings |
| 03:46.29 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 03:46.39 | |Jelly| | I'd bounce a check by $.25 every time. |
| 03:46.40 | Shirik | it's optional of course, I told them to do it |
| 03:46.47 | Valaron | Hey.. you're in luck.. with all the interest I've accrued. I have $5.53 |
| 03:46.53 | |Jelly| | roflamo |
| 03:47.33 | Valaron | I can finally get that Starbucks Latte' I've always wanted. |
| 03:49.14 | Shirik | $122.26 Total saved since enrollment in Keep the Change1 |
| 03:49.19 | Shirik | it actually adds up, as you can see |
| 03:49.24 | Cidan | Shirik: Bank of America? |
| 03:49.24 | Cidan | Yep |
| 03:49.25 | Shirik | I think it's a pretty good plan |
| 03:49.26 | Cidan | I have that too |
| 03:49.42 | Cidan | I've saved about 600 dollars. |
| 03:49.49 | Shirik | nice |
| 03:50.00 | |Jelly| | I have to pay off Wells Fargo before I can open another bank account. They screwed me with my student loans. : / |
| 03:50.12 | Cidan | :D |
| 03:50.16 | Cidan | Always pay your dues |
| 03:50.17 | Shirik | the other cool part is: |
| 03:50.18 | Shirik | Bank of America matches 100% of your Keep the Change transfers for 3 months after you enroll in the program, and 5% thereafter up to $250 per year. |
| 03:50.51 | |Jelly| | hmm |
| 03:50.56 | Valaron | Oh shit.. I have a student loan bill to pay. |
| 03:51.07 | |Jelly| | Do you buy things just so it'll be like $3.01 so they'll match it? lol |
| 03:51.12 | Shirik | rofl |
| 03:51.13 | Shirik | no |
| 03:51.29 | |Jelly| | ...I would :\ |
| 04:10.22 | Shirik | |Jelly|: Do you have a meta gem>? |
| 04:10.27 | |Jelly| | yeah |
| 04:10.41 | Shirik | which? |
| 04:10.45 | |Jelly| | the +healing one |
| 04:10.53 | Shirik | I picked up the insightful earthstorm diamond |
| 04:11.01 | Shirik | and I'm very impressed by it |
| 04:11.07 | |Jelly| | what does it do? |
| 04:11.19 | Shirik | +12 intellect and chance to restore mana on spellcast |
| 04:11.49 | Shirik | and so I've done the math, it's about 8 mp5 on average |
| 04:11.53 | Shirik | but the coolest part is this |
| 04:11.59 | Shirik | if i'm spam healing, that goes up dramatically |
| 04:12.04 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 04:12.06 | Shirik | so if I'm in a situation where I'm getting less mana |
| 04:12.12 | Shirik | that gem compensates for it |
| 04:12.23 | Shirik | which is really nice |
| 04:12.31 | |Jelly| | I could imagine. |
| 04:12.38 | Shirik | funny thing is the +mana proc happens on things like... making elixirs |
| 04:12.41 | Shirik | or bandages |
| 04:12.51 | Shirik | essentially any ability |
| 04:13.01 | |Jelly| | Like my robe. lol |
| 04:13.11 | Shirik | robe? |
| 04:13.24 | |Jelly| | Yeah. It procs off...EVERYTHING |
| 04:13.32 | Shirik | what's the proc? |
| 04:14.12 | |Jelly| | like 145 spirit |
| 04:16.54 | |Jelly| | I'm so happy. My herbalism is higher than my alchemy. lol |
| 04:17.57 | Shirik | omg |
| 04:18.00 | Shirik | 145 spirit?! |
| 04:18.01 | Shirik | what is that? |
| 04:18.18 | |Jelly| | Masquerade Gown -- Opera |
| 04:18.49 | Shirik | omg |
| 04:18.52 | Shirik | I need to get that now... |
| 04:18.58 | Shirik | but that'll screw up my mooncloth bonus, ugh |
| 04:19.03 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 04:19.40 | Shirik | guaranteed extra mana or chance for +145 spirit |
| 04:19.45 | Shirik | it's a tough decision |
| 04:20.02 | |Jelly| | Procs all the damned time. lol |
| 04:20.20 | Shirik | that good huh? |
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| 04:20.36 | |Jelly| | lemme get out of deadmines and i'll see if I can find the video of our shade fight |
| 04:21.46 | Codayus | Shirik: Mooncloth is a fair bit better, sadly. IMHO. |
| 04:21.52 | Shirik | yeah that's what I just looked at |
| 04:21.56 | Shirik | got the link from someone in game |
| 04:22.05 | Shirik | the stats on the masquerade gown aren't that impressive |
| 04:22.07 | Shirik | just the bonus |
| 04:22.25 | Codayus | Problem with mooncloth is the internal cooldown. Plus, if you spam spells to get it to proc, you'll be inside FSR, so the proc doesn't do you as much good. *shrug* |
| 04:22.37 | Codayus | Gah |
| 04:22.43 | Shirik | internal cooldown? |
| 04:22.52 | Codayus | Problem with the *gown*. |
| 04:22.56 | Shirik | ah |
| 04:22.57 | Shirik | yeah |
| 04:23.06 | Shirik | and there's zero mp5 on it |
| 04:23.09 | Shirik | aside from the +spirit bonus |
| 04:23.13 | Codayus | I speakz the bad england. |
| 04:23.24 | |Jelly| | There's 6mp5 on mine. :P |
| 04:23.35 | Thunder_Child | iirc the gown has a 15-20% proc rate |
| 04:23.39 | Codayus | I love spirit, and I'd like to love the gown, especially since primal mooncloth is hiseously ugly, but I can't justify it. |
| 04:24.21 | Thunder_Child | a far better proc rate that the dmg equivelent one |
| 04:24.41 | Codayus | 10% proc rate, 45s cooldown. |
| 04:24.51 | Shirik | the #1 thing that's got me looking at the gown |
| 04:24.58 | Shirik | is the stamina |
| 04:25.05 | Shirik | the mooncloth has zero, and my HP is pretty low |
| 04:25.10 | Codayus | The formula for calculating uptime when the duration of the hidden cooldown (H) exceeds the duration of the proc (D), and you take an action every S seconds which has a chance P to proc is: |
| 04:25.15 | Codayus | Uptime = D/(H + S/P). |
| 04:25.23 | Codayus | Assuming a spell cast every 3s on average: |
| 04:25.30 | Codayus | Uptime = 15/(45 + 4/0.1) = 20% |
| 04:25.52 | Codayus | "Average" spirit = 20% * 145 = 29 |
| 04:26.08 | Codayus | Underwhelming. :-( |
| 04:27.51 | Thelyna | well, if you put 29 spirit in place of the proc, how does masquerade gown stack up compared to PMC? |
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| 04:30.02 | Codayus | Poorly? Gown has +9 spirit, +34 stam, +12 int, -33 healing, -10 mp5, -2 sockets, and you lose a pretty good set bonus. |
| 04:31.15 | Shirik | btw |
| 04:31.20 | Shirik | THIS is farming (check the chat log, lol) |
| 04:31.34 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/d299328a8d5bc4aec265a2b76bf45ea0.jpg |
| 04:32.39 | Codayus | Everyone values stats differently, but I lean towards oh... 1 heal = 0.75 int = 1.5 spirit = 4.5 mp5~[3~[3~[3~[3~[3~[3~[3~[3~[3~[3~[3~[3~[3~[3~[3~[3~[3~[3~[3~[3~[3~[3~[3~[3~[3~[3~[3~[3~[3~[3~[3~[3~[3~[3~[3~[3~[3~[3~ |
| 04:32.39 | Codayus | wtf |
| 04:32.42 | Thunder_Child | nice |
| 04:32.51 | Codayus | How did I do that? :-/ |
| 04:33.16 | Kaydeethree | wow... what's up with the mods? the ascii-art and youtube-vid thread in general's up to page 10 |
| 04:33.37 | Codayus | Oh, and stam...hard to value, but I'd say maybe 0.5 on that scale. |
| 04:33.57 | Shirik | Codayus: Fair point |
| 04:34.06 | Shirik | and I do plan to put a +12 stam gem in the mooncloth robe |
| 04:34.08 | Shirik | when I make it |
| 04:36.39 | Codayus | Anyhow, at that scale, the "extra" stats on the gown are worth 24.3 points, but the extra stats on the PMC is worth 78, ignoring the sockets and set bonus. |
| 04:40.29 | |Jelly| | Ahh. My first run in with someone who doesn't have pets shown on his damage meters asking me WTF i'm doing wrong. |
| 04:42.01 | Codayus | pug or guildie? |
| 04:42.09 | |Jelly| | pug |
| 04:42.18 | Codayus | good good |
| 04:42.20 | |Jelly| | Believe it or not, the guild leader of this guild hates me. |
| 04:42.27 | |Jelly| | The only reason I'm in is cause of a friend. |
| 04:42.38 | Codayus | It's when your raid leader asks you that that you start to really despair |
| 04:43.22 | |Jelly| | This character is level 20. I have a while before I have that problem. lol |
| 04:43.46 | Codayus | Good, good. |
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| 04:44.06 | |Jelly| | haha |
| 04:44.10 | |Jelly| | noob hunter move inc |
| 04:44.33 | Shirik | Rofl! |
| 04:44.35 | Shirik | +300 mana |
| 04:44.38 | Shirik | (I mounted) |
| 04:44.42 | Shirik | see what I mean? |
| 04:44.46 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 04:44.50 | |Jelly| | That's how that robe is man. |
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| 04:53.45 | Guillotine | anybody know how to check if a value is an integer in VBA? Can't use my usual modulo trick since it truncates any fractional values :/ |
| 04:53.53 | Shirik | wow!! that is such a cool map |
| 04:53.55 | Shirik | http://www.weather.com/weather/map/interactive/32114?from=36hour_map_large&zoom=7&interactiveMapLayer=radar |
| 04:53.59 | Shirik | you can zoom in and out, whatever |
| 04:54.25 | Shirik | I can literally zoom in right to my road |
| 04:55.18 | Cidan | that is slick |
| 04:55.19 | Iriel | It's microsoft's virtual earth, their google maps competitor |
| 04:55.26 | Cidan | looks better than google maps |
| 04:55.51 | Cidan | Microsoft has a nack for making things look pretty |
| 04:56.23 | Iriel | It's also a flash client rather than just javascript |
| 04:56.33 | Iriel | gives them a certain advantage |
| 04:56.37 | Shirik | not really |
| 04:56.39 | Shirik | it pissed me off a bit |
| 04:56.48 | Shirik | because apparently you can't use a 64 bit browser with flash |
| 04:57.07 | Shirik | so I had to copy over to 32 bit bersion, etc. |
| 05:17.53 | Guillotine | Guillotine> wowhead should be aced |
| 05:17.53 | Guillotine | <Inc`> Indeed, ace owns |
| 05:17.56 | Guillotine | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:18.02 | Guillotine | he didn't realise it was a joke |
| 05:18.58 | Cairenn | heh |
| 05:19.20 | Guillotine | its sad how some people actually think that :( |
| 05:19.40 | Cairenn | quite |
| 05:21.30 | Thunder_Child | their new slogan should be "ace the world" |
| 05:21.44 | |Jelly| | Or just Ace RDX. |
| 05:21.48 | Cairenn | ... of warcraft |
| 05:23.03 | Guillotine | Cairenn: people have actually called for the aceing of things that aren't even addons :( |
| 05:23.10 | Guillotine | though I think I only saw one real instance of that |
| 05:23.12 | Guillotine | that wasn't a joke |
| 05:23.23 | Cairenn | heh |
| 05:24.12 | Cairenn | the fact that there is a compression system that is .ace makes for even more fun |
| 05:24.47 | Valaron | Ace is the place where all the fun begins. |
| 05:26.06 | Esamynn | but only just |
| 05:30.20 | Esamynn | what!?!?! |
| 05:30.30 | Cairenn | pictures ... |
| 05:30.55 | Shirik | pictures? |
| 05:30.58 | Shirik | I want pictures |
| 05:30.59 | Esamynn | oh... |
| 05:31.01 | Esamynn | sorry |
| 05:31.07 | Esamynn | Shirik: no pictures for you! |
| 05:31.13 | Cairenn | no worries :) |
| 05:32.31 | Cairenn | I just figure if I remind you about them every now and then, eventually you'll have some time on your hands to actually be able to deal with them |
| 05:32.54 | Esamynn | indeed, I'm making a note to myself to deal with them in the morning |
| 05:33.23 | Cairenn | but I know that you've got stuff on your plate to deal with, just like everyone else, so just been waiting till you do have the time :) |
| 05:33.48 | Esamynn | Cairenn: nah, you just needed to bonk me on the head a few times, I'm really bad like that |
| 05:33.59 | Cairenn | heh |
| 05:35.21 | Cairenn | you aren't the only one who still owes them |
| 05:35.50 | Cairenn | and Mental |
| 05:35.53 | Iriel | what?? |
| 05:36.06 | Cairenn | lol |
| 05:36.07 | Esamynn | Iriel: you bad man, you very bad man |
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| 05:38.05 | Shirik | [#] 01:35:45 You hit Sunfury Eradicator for 3. (glancing) |
| 05:38.05 | Shirik | [#] 01:35:46 You have slain Sunfury Eradicator! |
| 05:38.05 | Shirik | [#] 01:35:46 Sunfury Eradicator dies. |
| 05:38.06 | Shirik | ftw |
| 05:38.41 | Buuyo | Hey. I'm trying to make a start with creating mods in WoW, but I'm having a bit of trouble getting the blizzard tutorial hello world working. I popped the HelloWorld directory in to my AddOns directory and changed the Interface version to 20100 in HelloWorld.toc. Still, no messagebox or anything pops up in game even though the AddOns window in character select shows "Hello World" as being loaded. |
| 05:39.27 | art3mis | turn on debugging |
| 05:39.30 | Shirik | Buuyo: Go into interface options, check "Show lua errors" |
| 05:39.36 | Buuyo | ahh ok. |
| 05:39.38 | Thunder_Child | hmmm...i think microsofts system has better resolution but a clunkier interface |
| 05:39.38 | art3mis | and move out of calgary ;P |
| 05:39.40 | Shirik | This option does not actually disable errors, rather it disables the message() function |
| 05:39.49 | Shirik | Which the hello world tutorial relies on |
| 05:39.57 | Buuyo | lol |
| 05:40.00 | Shirik | btw Iriel |
| 05:40.01 | Buuyo | that makes more sense >_< |
| 05:40.06 | Shirik | you should slap Slouken for that move for me |
| 05:40.47 | Cairenn | night Esamynn|Away |
| 05:40.51 | Cairenn | or not |
| 05:40.54 | Buuyo | Joy. |
| 05:40.56 | Buuyo | thanks guys =p |
| 05:41.09 | Shirik | :) |
| 05:41.15 | Buuyo | I can hardly believe that was all this was >_>. Don't recall reading that in the blizzard tut =p |
| 05:41.25 | Shirik | that's because the tutorial was made before that option existed |
| 05:41.41 | Buuyo | ahh |
| 05:42.09 | Buuyo | Is there a more recent tutorial? I saw something about nevi tutorial, but that doesn't seem to exist any more =p |
| 05:42.18 | Buuyo | nevir* |
| 05:42.22 | Shirik | nope, sorry |
| 05:42.35 | Shirik | best advice I can give you is read PiL and the Blizzard code or a simple addon |
| 05:43.23 | Buuyo | Alright. |
| 05:43.56 | Cairenn | you already made one of the smartest moves you can - you came in here for help |
| 05:44.05 | Esamynn | Cairenn: hah! fooled you! ;) |
| 05:44.22 | Cairenn | Esamynn: lol |
| 05:44.46 | buu | HELLO |
| 05:44.52 | Shirik | HELLO! |
| 05:45.00 | buu | Capital letters are the new green. |
| 05:45.12 | Shirik | I never liked green anyway |
| 05:45.35 | Guillotine | Capital letters are the new Ace. use them everywhere and in everything, whether it helps or not |
| 05:45.51 | Shirik | Green sucks |
| 05:45.55 | buu | Damn straight. |
| 05:45.59 | *** kick/#wowi-lounge [Shirik!n=Cairenn@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn] by Cairenn (Cairenn) |
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| 05:46.05 | buu | Shirik: These starcraft videos are some major win. |
| 05:46.06 | kergoth | http://quiz.ravenblack.net/videogame.pl .. whee, i'm a light cycle |
| 05:46.06 | Shirik | wtf happened to my autorejoin :)( |
| 05:46.08 | Shirik | :( |
| 05:46.47 | Shirik | Cairenn: Let me put it this way |
| 05:47.06 | Shirik | Green is for people that want to say "Hey look at me!!" kinda like caps lock. So in a way, yes, caps lock is totally the new green |
| 05:47.39 | art3mis | WOW THATS A LOT OF NUTS! |
| 05:47.52 | Shirik | there are no green nuts sadly |
| 05:47.58 | art3mis | pistachios |
| 05:48.00 | art3mis | duh |
| 05:48.00 | Shirik | hm, maybe pistachios |
| 05:48.01 | Shirik | yeah |
| 05:48.17 | art3mis | but tis a jung pow quote ;) |
| 05:48.18 | buu | Shirik: Zomg, the protoss double expanded! |
| 05:48.21 | art3mis | kung pow rather |
| 05:48.27 | Cairenn | depends on the shade of green - orange, yellow, purple, red all scream "look at me" too, depending on the shade :p |
| 05:48.50 | art3mis | yellow background fl;ashing red letters says "here have a seizure" |
| 05:48.55 | Shirik | yes |
| 05:49.16 | art3mis | aww it's not my birfday anymore ;( |
| 05:49.22 | Shirik | good |
| 05:49.22 | art3mis | im all old n stuff now |
| 05:49.25 | Shirik | you don't deserve a birthday |
| 05:50.27 | Cairenn | happy birthday +1 art3mis |
| 05:50.54 | Cairenn | kergoth: I'm a light cycle too |
| 05:51.10 | Guillotine | art3mis++ |
| 05:51.25 | Cairenn | if I wasn't a light cycle, I'd be a gauntlet adventurer |
| 05:52.17 | Shirik | wtf is a light circle |
| 05:54.33 | Guillotine | when you do your laundry thats not dark |
| 05:54.57 | Cairenn | Guillotine: lol |
| 05:54.59 | buu | Shirik: Omg, watch some movies! |
| 05:55.05 | Shirik | movies suck |
| 05:55.22 | Shirik | they are absolutely pointless |
| 05:55.24 | Cairenn | life sucks - then you die |
| 05:55.33 | Shirik | ~shirik |
| 05:55.33 | purl | "If I had to sum up my life, I'd have to say, the one thing I hate doing is nothing." --Shirik |
| 05:55.41 | Shirik | Now, what do you do when you're watching a movie |
| 05:55.43 | Shirik | absolutely nothing |
| 05:55.46 | Shirik | qed. |
| 05:55.53 | buu | As opposed to.. wow? |
| 05:55.59 | Shirik | I don't play wow much anymore |
| 05:56.06 | Shirik | I do occasionally |
| 05:56.13 | Shirik | but at least I feel like I'm accomplishing something |
| 05:56.15 | Shirik | there's interaction |
| 05:56.20 | Shirik | what interaction is there in a movie? |
| 05:57.06 | buu | Mental. |
| 05:57.42 | Cairenn | you eat popcorn, drink your pop, snuggle with your lady, laugh, cry |
| 05:58.02 | Thunder_Child | at once? |
| 05:58.17 | art3mis | im a pacman ghost |
| 05:58.29 | buu | Thunder_Child: YES. |
| 05:58.32 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: well, if you're an octopus, perhaps |
| 05:58.37 | buu | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZ39zOGwUes |
| 05:58.40 | buu | Watch it. |
| 05:58.42 | art3mis | I like to hang around with friends, chatting, dancing, all that sort of thing. We don't appreciate outsiders, and do our best to discourage others approaching us. I enjoy occasionally wandering around randomly, and often find that when I do so, I get to where I wanted to be. |
| 05:58.52 | Thunder_Child | you all fail |
| 05:59.18 | art3mis | cairenn: you're forgetting the classic penis in the popcorn gag too ;P |
| 05:59.31 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 05:59.49 | Thunder_Child | rather like dick in a box? |
| 05:59.53 | art3mis | kind of |
| 05:59.57 | buu | Mmm, melted butter. |
| 06:00.01 | art3mis | you've never heard that ? |
| 06:00.23 | buu | Oh man, I love these intros. |
| 06:00.30 | Cairenn | ack! |
| 06:00.43 | Cairenn | ummm, no? |
| 06:01.00 | |Jelly| | Hmm. |
| 06:01.02 | art3mis | too late mwahahaha~! |
| 06:01.24 | art3mis | and that umm no sounded like *flat voice* oh no please help me, oh please stop help help ;P |
| 06:01.46 | Cairenn | I was answering your question as to whether I'd ever heard that before |
| 06:01.53 | art3mis | oh |
| 06:01.59 | art3mis | it still fit together funny ;P |
| 06:02.14 | buu | art3mis: Are you watching that video?! |
| 06:02.19 | art3mis | should i be? |
| 06:02.21 | buu | YES |
| 06:02.27 | art3mis | does it have nudity or is it funny? |
| 06:02.29 | buu | There will be a quiz. |
| 06:02.48 | |Jelly| | About nudity? |
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| 06:03.31 | art3mis | ive seen that match on tv |
| 06:03.41 | buu | Haha, nice |
| 06:03.46 | buu | Do you speak korean? |
| 06:03.48 | art3mis | i changed the channel after i raelized that watching others play video games is REALLY boring |
| 06:03.59 | art3mis | nope |
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| 06:04.41 | Cairenn | art3mis: so, ummm, why did you tackle me and grab zip ties? and are you going to explain wtf you were talking about before that? |
| 06:04.53 | buu | art3mis: I really enjoy the commentary, I think it helps to some degree. |
| 06:04.57 | buu | art3mis: And it's damn impressive video gaming. |
| 06:05.17 | Esamynn | damnit, Chatzilla is refusing to wrap text in this channel :( |
| 06:05.57 | Thunder_Child | heh, red sign bottom left http://www.panoramio.com/photo/2786433 |
| 06:06.12 | Cairenn | lol |
| 06:06.21 | cogwheel | ~lart Shirik |
| 06:06.21 | purl | takes a large goose feather pillow and swings it wildly in Shirik's direction, hitting Shirik and sending Shirik flying into the closet |
| 06:06.30 | cogwheel | s/~lart Shirik/hey all/ |
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| 06:06.51 | Cairenn | cogwheel: lol |
| 06:07.28 | Shirik | T_T |
| 06:07.30 | Shirik | everyone hates me |
| 06:07.47 | Esamynn | ~comfort Shirik |
| 06:07.48 | purl | There, there, Shirik. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 06:08.19 | art3mis | cairenn: why wouldnt i tackle you and grab for zip ties? |
| 06:08.19 | cogwheel | <3 Shirik |
| 06:08.37 | Cairenn | lol |
| 06:08.39 | cogwheel | woah... i found another gnome warrior with the same hair do and face as me in ab |
| 06:08.48 | Esamynn | lol |
| 06:09.00 | art3mis | and as to the thing prior, it was an old jooke about this guy and girl that went to the theater and he cut a hole in the bottom of the popcorn and put it in his lap so that she would reach in and do stuff without arousing suspsicion |
| 06:09.10 | Cairenn | ah |
| 06:09.31 | Esamynn | O_o |
| 06:09.36 | Esamynn | I...see... |
| 06:09.42 | Cairenn | and on that note - night guys |
| 06:09.50 | Valaron | I saw Dragon Wars today. |
| 06:09.50 | cogwheel | nn |
| 06:09.55 | Esamynn | night Cairenn|afk |
| 06:09.59 | |Jelly| | Night. |
| 06:10.01 | Valaron | Oh my god. It was SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO bad |
| 06:10.17 | cogwheel | Yeah... having worked in a movie theater, i have to tell you guys... |
| 06:10.22 | cogwheel | NEVER sit in the back row |
| 06:10.51 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 06:11.23 | Valaron | Can't wait for Resident Evil next week, though. |
| 06:11.34 | buu | Woo, RE:Extinction |
| 06:11.38 | Valaron | Milla Jovovich. Yumm |
| 06:11.41 | art3mis | Valaron: you paid to see it? |
| 06:11.47 | Valaron | :( Yeah |
| 06:11.49 | art3mis | milla naked == good |
| 06:12.01 | art3mis | milla with orange hair == bestest |
| 06:12.07 | Valaron | Badda boom |
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| 06:13.28 | Esamynn | cogwheel: oh really? |
| 06:13.39 | buu | Wow. |
| 06:13.50 | cogwheel | yeah... unless you like sitting in other peoples............ enjoyment |
| 06:14.07 | Valaron | Hmm |
| 06:14.17 | Esamynn | ... |
| 06:15.35 | Valaron | Depends on their enjoyment, I guess. |
| 06:17.05 | Valaron | I'm stuck on one of the bosses in Prince of Persia Rival Swords. |
| 06:17.08 | Valaron | Again |
| 06:23.33 | Valaron | Ho hum. |
| 06:27.13 | Shirik | Okay guys, game mechanics question coming up |
| 06:27.30 | Shirik | My +spirit mouseover says it adds 282 mana every 5 seconds |
| 06:27.51 | Shirik | my mana regen mouseover says 393 while not in combat. |
| 06:27.57 | Shirik | I assume this is because of +mp5 gear, ok. |
| 06:28.17 | Shirik | So now, when I get this set bonus of "Allows 5% of mana regeneration while casting" ... does that mean 5% of 292 or 5% of 393 |
| 06:28.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Of 393 |
| 06:29.10 | Shirik | awesome :D |
| 06:29.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Indeed |
| 06:29.26 | Shirik | even though part of that 393 already counts while casting? |
| 06:29.29 | Shirik | it re-counts it? |
| 06:29.52 | ScytheBlade1 | There are some mage talents that do that, as does Mage Armor, so I know the mechanic |
| 06:29.59 | ScytheBlade1 | It adds 5% of 393 to 282 |
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| 06:31.32 | Guillotine | its probably going to be scaled to pure mp5 with WotLK though |
| 06:32.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Er? |
| 06:35.07 | ScytheBlade1 | What do you mean by that? |
| 06:39.37 | buu | They want to improve spirit. |
| 06:40.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes, but... how does that "scale to pure mp5"? |
| 06:40.19 | Esamynn | good night all |
| 06:40.23 | Shirik | spirit is good as it is |
| 06:40.26 | Shirik | wtf they need to improve it for? |
| 06:40.42 | Esamynn | if you say so |
| 06:40.50 | Esamynn | I'd say it's a rather weak stat |
| 06:40.56 | Shirik | What class do you play? |
| 06:41.01 | Esamynn | Druid |
| 06:41.09 | Shirik | For a priest, spirit is very powerful |
| 06:41.28 | Esamynn | and ONLY for priest |
| 06:41.29 | Shirik | But you know what I'm really sick of? Healers stacking pure mp5 to avoid the 5SR, actually. I can understand some, but all? |
| 06:41.34 | Shirik | probably true, yes |
| 06:41.50 | Shirik | No offense to Paladins, but they're a prime example of healers who want to be lazy |
| 06:42.12 | ScytheBlade1 | It's dead useful for a mage. Sadly, almost every mage I know considers it useless. |
| 06:42.35 | Esamynn | ScytheBlade1: what's so useful about it? |
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| 06:43.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Esamynn, Evocation. It may sound retarded to actually get a decent amount of it for one spell, but swapping spirit weapons in while I'm evocing (+70 spirit) yields me an additional ~5k mana |
| 06:43.32 | ScytheBlade1 | That and Mage Armor/Arcane talents, which are passive mana regen in combat |
| 06:44.06 | ScytheBlade1 | I've literally, when I got the ticks right, recieved 9k mana back over 8 seconds because I have a good amount of spirit |
| 06:44.16 | buu | Shirik: Whats the problem wieh stacking mp5? |
| 06:44.22 | buu | ScytheBlade1: Cool. |
| 06:44.23 | ScytheBlade1 | 9k/10.5k isn't bad at all, but I'm one of the FEW people who actually do that. |
| 06:44.24 | Shirik | There's no inherent "problem" with it |
| 06:44.34 | buu | ScytheBlade1: That's like , 18 seconds of mana for me |
| 06:44.36 | Shirik | the problem is people being lazy |
| 06:44.39 | Esamynn | ScytheBlade1: ok, it's useful for when you evo |
| 06:44.56 | Esamynn | I still think it's a bit of a weak stat overall |
| 06:45.08 | ScytheBlade1 | ... which is exactly the attitude that they're trying to change. |
| 06:45.09 | Shirik | and that's the #1 reason why people say priests can't heal these days |
| 06:45.19 | Shirik | Because priest healers CAN'T be lazy |
| 06:45.33 | |Jelly| | Wait. Whta? |
| 06:45.36 | Esamynn | personally, I think spirit should do something to mitigate dots |
| 06:45.38 | Shirik | paladins can. Druids, I haven't the slightest clue |
| 06:45.49 | Shirik | no idea how to play one |
| 06:45.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Druids can stack either spirit or mp5 |
| 06:45.51 | buu | Paladins can single heal, druids can hot, blah blah |
| 06:45.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Most lean to mp5 |
| 06:46.12 | buu | This is purely anecdotal obviously, but I've always had the best heals from preists in pugs |
| 06:46.15 | buu | I'm not sure why. |
| 06:46.24 | Shirik | Priests have far more tools at their disposal |
| 06:46.27 | Shirik | but you know what that means? |
| 06:46.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Easy answer: those priests healed, a lot. All of the hybrids didn't. |
| 06:46.38 | Shirik | That means the priest has to know how to use all of them effectively while weaving in and out of the 5SR |
| 06:46.59 | Shirik | When I'm healing I have a lot more on my mind than just whom has what health |
| 06:47.03 | buu | ScytheBlade1: Hrm. That's an interesting point. I hadn't really thought of it in that way. |
| 06:47.30 | Shirik | Put it this way: Paladins have two heals |
| 06:47.33 | Codayus | Mmm, I'd say it's because priests are the most versatile healers, which means they can do a decent job solo healing, since that requires lots of tactics. |
| 06:47.44 | buu | But if they have a problem with priests in raids, the obvious answer is to give them a 51 point holy talent that causes healing spells to restore 1 mana per 100 or something. |
| 06:47.53 | ScytheBlade1 | I know some /incredible/ hybrid healers. I also know some incredibly crappy hybrid healers. Conversely, most healing priests that I know, are good healers regardless. |
| 06:48.04 | Shirik | buu: A 51 point holy talent would make the talent tree worse than it already is |
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| 06:48.14 | Shirik | It's hard enough to get to 41 in holy because it's completely jacked up already |
| 06:48.25 | buu | Shirik: Why so? |
| 06:48.30 | Shirik | I'd say 99% of healing priests are a mix of disciple and holy |
| 06:48.36 | buu | Well, yeah |
| 06:48.37 | Shirik | and I'm not talking about 5 points in discipline |
| 06:48.40 | Shirik | I'm talking more like 15-20 |
| 06:48.43 | Codayus | Druids are more focused; they can do fine in a 5 man, but that isn't their strength. |
| 06:48.44 | Shirik | !c us drenden kimina |
| 06:48.45 | buu | I've had some good experiences with lolwell though |
| 06:48.46 | ThraeBot | Shirik: Kimina, Level 70 Blood Elf Priest (23/38/0). 6091 HP; 9405 Mana; 405 mana regen; 155 mp5; 84 +spell dmg; 1221 +heal; 6.38% dodge; +33 all resists (+5 all);[[ TBR: 1233 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2fx6zd ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2pkb3p ][ Updated: Sat Sep 15 23:48:18 2007 EST ]] |
| 06:48.52 | Shirik | 23/38 for example |
| 06:49.19 | Shirik | Both the 41 point talents, imho, suck |
| 06:49.32 | Guillotine | hmm. what type of frame makes those smooth scrolling text frames (like the quest log or lightheaded)? |
| 06:49.33 | |Jelly| | !c us burning legion jelly |
| 06:49.34 | ThraeBot | |Jelly|: Jelly, Level 70 Blood Elf Priest (23/38/0). 6621 HP; 9885 Mana; 342 mana regen; 123 mp5; 90 +spell dmg; 1623 +heal; 5.06% dodge; 18 resilience;[[ TBR: 644 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yrmc88 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2mw2d7 ][ Updated: Sat Sep 15 23:48:20 2007 EST ]] |
| 06:49.34 | buu | Shirik: But it's just an example, but the easiest way to make them desirable would be to steal the SP skills and make priests restore mana / energy / armour or something. |
| 06:49.43 | |Jelly| | Nice spec, Shirik. |
| 06:49.55 | Shirik | I like it, it does really well for me I think |
| 06:49.58 | buu | Shirik: Assuming they fix lolwell and such |
| 06:50.05 | Codayus | Heh, don't dismiss circle of healing out of hand. With good gear and IF you are assigned a role that plays to its strengths, it's very good. |
| 06:50.12 | ScytheBlade1 | I know a priest who specced lolwell for raiding, actually. |
| 06:50.14 | Shirik | circle of healing is decent |
| 06:50.17 | Codayus | Pretty useless prior to about...T5 level raiding though. |
| 06:50.18 | buu | Yeah, coh on VR |
| 06:50.20 | ScytheBlade1 | It's useful for melee |
| 06:50.27 | Shirik | We have one person in our raid that uses circle of healing, and yes she's in T5 |
| 06:50.36 | Shirik | but if we had more than one person with it, it would be worthless for the others |
| 06:50.43 | Shirik | she uses it very effectively |
| 06:50.45 | buu | I have a minor thought, what about making lolwell create a healing aura instead of a clicky heal crap |
| 06:50.54 | Codayus | Has some amazing uses in BT/Hyjal too, apparently. But yeah, anytime you have an entire melee group taking constant damage, it's good. |
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| 06:51.11 | buu | Codayus: Which is a lot of fights, really |
| 06:51.13 | Shirik | |Jelly|: Was that sarcastic or? |
| 06:51.20 | buu | COH never struck me as a bad talent.. |
| 06:51.37 | Shirik | when you have prayer of healing, its effect is mitigated somewhat |
| 06:51.38 | Codayus | True. Most guilds, of course, just take a few resto shamans, spam CH, and don't need to use CoH priests. That works too, of course... :-) |
| 06:51.38 | |Jelly| | Wha? |
| 06:51.47 | Shirik | circle of healing is useful for out-of-party healing only |
| 06:52.19 | Shirik | We actually have no resto shamans |
| 06:52.21 | Shirik | I take that back |
| 06:52.23 | |Jelly| | 41holy should be raid wide renew with a 40yd radius. :P |
| 06:52.24 | buu | Shirik: Why? |
| 06:52.27 | Shirik | We picked up one a few days ago. He's mostly in green |
| 06:52.34 | Codayus | Actually, CoH is an instant, so it's still better. (See VR - cast as you run.) |
| 06:52.40 | Shirik | buu: why what? |
| 06:52.41 | Codayus | But yeah. |
| 06:52.50 | Shirik | Codayus: It's also less healing |
| 06:52.54 | buu | Shirik: CH > CoH or out of party healing |
| 06:53.02 | Codayus | That's sometimes a good thing. :-) |
| 06:53.30 | buu | |Jelly|: Perhaps not 40yd, but how about a 10 yard like, fountain of health |
| 06:53.48 | buu | Restores 30hp a second or something. |
| 06:53.51 | Shirik | eh, well, we got very off-topic |
| 06:53.54 | Codayus | But yeah, in general (CoH being the only real exception), priests are generalists. They can perform any healing role fairly well, but they get beaten by the specialists IF the specialists have the freedom to focus on whatever it is they do. |
| 06:53.59 | Shirik | but my point is, Priests take a lot more tactics |
| 06:54.07 | Shirik | And that's why people say priests can't heal |
| 06:54.36 | Shirik | My mind is never on whom I'm healing. It's always something like 3 steps ahead "Okay, when this greater heal finishes, I'll renew x, pom y, and flash heal z" |
| 06:54.49 | Shirik | that would actually be a horrible plan |
| 06:54.56 | |Jelly| | Was thinking the same thing. |
| 06:54.59 | Shirik | but still |
| 06:55.07 | Shirik | that would totally jack up the 5SR |
| 06:55.45 | Codayus | But in a 5 man, you need a mix of hots,fast heals, long heals, emergency heals...priests have that, druids don't. 5 man healing really plays to the priests core strength, just as tank healing plays to a trees core strength... |
| 06:55.46 | Shirik | bear with me, it's 3AM and I'm tired |
| 06:56.09 | Guillotine | what type of frame is used to make smooth scrolling text frames (like the quest text or lightheaded)? |
| 06:56.37 | Shirik | Codayus: Once again, not to be rude to the other classes here |
| 06:56.49 | Nargiddley | Guillotine, ScrollFrame |
| 06:57.03 | Shirik | But you're underestimating priests again. Just because we don't want to go spam healing the tank doesn't make us less of a "core strength" |
| 06:57.11 | Shirik | Inspiration works wonders on a single target healing job |
| 06:57.15 | Guillotine | Nargiddley: don't think so |
| 06:57.19 | Shirik | so does PW:S |
| 06:57.19 | buu | Tank healing is a tree's core strength? |
| 06:57.25 | Nargiddley | Guillotine, why not ? |
| 06:57.35 | Guillotine | oh, I was thinking of FauxScrollFrame |
| 06:57.37 | Nargiddley | its what i use for waterfall for example |
| 06:57.42 | Guillotine | never actually used ScrollFrame |
| 06:57.46 | Codayus | buu: Rolling trinketed lifebloom stacks on 2-3 tanks = zomg. :-/ |
| 06:58.23 | Shirik | The fact of the matter is, every class has their own strengths |
| 06:58.35 | Shirik | They all can do jobs equally, it's just how they're done is different |
| 06:58.36 | Guillotine | Nargiddley: yah, sorry. For some reason completely forgot about normal scroll frames since I've been doing SOO much with faux recently >< |
| 06:58.43 | Shirik | And this is the same reason why hunters don't go marksman anymore |
| 06:58.44 | Nargiddley | heh np |
| 06:58.51 | Shirik | Not because marksman sucks, it's because hunters suck |
| 06:58.59 | Shirik | I mean, come on... look at this ownage |
| 06:59.10 | Shirik | !vs us eredar shirik us burning legion jelly |
| 06:59.11 | ThraeBot | Shirik: Shirik vs Jelly! A L70 hunter and a L70 priest square off!; 3/50/8 vs 23/38/0; Shirik wins by 968 TBRs! ***OWNED!*** |
| 06:59.16 | |Jelly| | DIAF imo |
| 06:59.19 | Shirik | :D |
| 06:59.41 | Codayus | Shirik: Umm...run that by me again? |
| 06:59.48 | Shirik | run what? |
| 06:59.53 | |Jelly| | He's being a jackass to me. :( |
| 06:59.55 | Codayus | Marksman argument. :-) |
| 06:59.59 | Shirik | ok |
| 07:00.03 | buu | How does a holy priest beat a hunter? |
| 07:00.10 | buu | OMG GUYS I KNOW |
| 07:00.14 | Shirik | Hunters are convinced that BM is the way to go for raid dps |
| 07:00.16 | cncfanatics | heal him to death ? |
| 07:00.16 | buu | LEVEL 51 HOLY TALENT CAN BE HOLYFORM |
| 07:00.21 | buu | I'm a genius |
| 07:00.23 | Shirik | lol holyform |
| 07:00.26 | Codayus | Shirik: Yes, and there's a really good reason for it too.... |
| 07:00.34 | Shirik | and what's your argument |
| 07:00.36 | Shirik | I'd love to hear it |
| 07:01.14 | Shirik | I'll tell you mine, and it's a pretty simple reason too |
| 07:01.19 | Arrowmaster | the 3% damage increase for party is nice, it stacks too with more than one hunter in the party |
| 07:01.28 | Codayus | Shirik: Math. Modeling. Simulation. Experience. Empirical data? |
| 07:01.38 | Shirik | I would love to see any of this "data" |
| 07:01.39 | Codayus | Better group buffs too, yes. |
| 07:01.45 | Shirik | Because all I have seen is "zomg we are teh pwnzor" |
| 07:01.52 | Shirik | which has yet to be duplicated in my raids |
| 07:01.53 | buu | Shirik: Because Ej says so.So there. |
| 07:02.01 | cncfanatics | if u want maths & spreadsheets go to EJ tbh |
| 07:02.04 | Arrowmaster | how many of those hunters claiming BM is better for raiding are exploiting the scorpid poison bug though |
| 07:02.10 | Codayus | Look at WWS parses. Look at the spreadsheets. Understand the effects of haste on shot clipping. |
| 07:02.24 | buu | My understanding is BM is a gear spec, early game it's better, but loses late game. |
| 07:02.27 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: Beats me, I don't even play my hunter anymore |
| 07:02.34 | Codayus | Arrowmaster: Not many; most of the stuff I see assumes a ravager pet. |
| 07:02.36 | Shirik | I gave up on being blended in with the rest of the morons |
| 07:02.46 | Shirik | Since it seems everyone hates hunters, and I don't want to be in on it |
| 07:02.56 | Shirik | Besides, I have a lot more fun on my priest anyway |
| 07:02.58 | Codayus | buu: The advantage drops somewhat if you assume extensive haste gear (ie, BT level gear), but doesn't disappear. |
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| 07:03.44 | Codayus | My guild is early T5 level, we occasionally have a BM hunter hit 1st on DPS. (He gained about 8 places on the charts when he respecced.) |
| 07:03.53 | Shirik | |Jelly|HOLYFORM: Seriously, was that sarcasm or what? |
| 07:04.00 | clad|away | ravager BM dps is crazy |
| 07:04.12 | |Jelly|HOLYFORM | Was what sarcasm? |
| 07:04.15 | Shirik | Codayus: wQuick question |
| 07:04.19 | Shirik | What was his intellect at? |
| 07:04.22 | Codayus | That being said, skill >>> spec. We regularly have a SURVIVAL hunter beat a couple of our BM hunters, because he knows how to play. |
| 07:04.38 | Shirik | Yes, I said intellect |
| 07:04.53 | Codayus | Hmm, armor says... |
| 07:04.57 | Shirik | 14(0211:4811:1014) 14(11158|Jelly|14) Nice spec, Shirik. |
| 07:05.11 | |Jelly|HOLYFORM | It's like the same spec as I have... |
| 07:05.16 | Codayus | 281, unbuffed. |
| 07:05.19 | buu | Hrm. I need to raid. |
| 07:05.33 | |Jelly|HOLYFORM | me too |
| 07:05.44 | Shirik | Codayus: That needs to be a lot higher |
| 07:05.58 | Shirik | That's on-par with mine, and I'm a lot less geared than I'm sure he is |
| 07:06.06 | Codayus | Shirik: Hmm, why? |
| 07:06.12 | Shirik | Because THAT'S what MM relies on |
| 07:06.20 | Shirik | which is why nobody can play MM class, because nobody realizes that |
| 07:06.40 | Shirik | it relies on agility, AP, and INTELLECT |
| 07:06.42 | Codayus | Ah, no, he regeared to spec BM. That's his current stat. |
| 07:06.52 | Arrowmaster | higher int gets you more regen right? |
| 07:06.58 | Shirik | negative, that's spirit |
| 07:07.05 | Shirik | intellect is more mana, but it's quite a bit more for hunters |
| 07:07.10 | Arrowmaster | i ment from special hunters stuff not in general |
| 07:07.13 | Shirik | oh |
| 07:07.20 | Shirik | AP, mana |
| 07:07.26 | Codayus | But not much AP. :-/ |
| 07:07.28 | Shirik | (regen) |
| 07:07.32 | Shirik | it is if done right |
| 07:07.39 | tarsin | hello, I'm having trouble getting my module to load correctly. I've clearly doing something wrong. This is my first attempt at lua, and also writting an addon. Any suggestions on whats wrong with it would be greatly appreciated. http://wowi.pastey.net/73904 |
| 07:07.54 | Shirik | tarsin: What happens? |
| 07:08.00 | Arrowmaster | aspect of the viper is %age based right |
| 07:08.11 | Codayus | We give our good BM hunters a shadow priests. Good synergies. |
| 07:08.12 | Shirik | I believe so yes |
| 07:08.20 | Arrowmaster | so with more mana it would give you faster regen |
| 07:08.26 | clad|away | AoTV isn't now |
| 07:08.28 | Shirik | I forget |
| 07:08.32 | Shirik | I haven't played my hunter in so long |
| 07:08.36 | clad|away | err yes, its percentage based |
| 07:08.40 | tarsin | Shirik, when i login WoW pops up with a message saying my code sucks ass |
| 07:08.43 | clad|away | but in 2.2 it scales depending on how much mana you have left |
| 07:08.48 | Shirik | what does this message say? |
| 07:08.51 | clad|away | which means shitty hunters will have trouble keeping up with those that do. |
| 07:09.02 | tarsin | Shirik, its posted in the url i linked above |
| 07:09.09 | Shirik | oh my bad |
| 07:09.20 | Shirik | that first line |
| 07:09.26 | Shirik | make it local SalvBeGone = {} |
| 07:10.05 | Shirik | line 4 |
| 07:10.09 | Shirik | please change "this" to "self" |
| 07:11.00 | tarsin | gotcha. ok it seems to load. now i've got to wait a week until we do Vashj again to see if the rest works.. haha |
| 07:11.02 | tarsin | thanks |
| 07:11.30 | Shirik | "this" is a global. It is slow and deprecated. "self" is a local caused to be passed becaues you are using a function with colon syntax |
| 07:11.38 | Shirik | s/passed/created/ |
| 07:11.44 | Shirik | not even created but I can't find a good word for it |
| 07:11.48 | Shirik | point is, it's local, and it doesn't suck |
| 07:11.57 | clad|sleep | Shirik: "this" isn't even mentioned in our boopk |
| 07:12.00 | clad|sleep | can't wait for it to come out |
| 07:12.04 | Shirik | good :P |
| 07:12.06 | clad|sleep | some of the examples are lots of fun |
| 07:13.11 | Shirik | anyway, night clad|sleep, night guys |
| 07:13.45 | clad|sleep | ~hwow |
| 07:14.02 | |Jelly|HOLYFORM | Night |
| 07:14.03 | tarsin | so writing this little bit of lua code made me realize a couple of things about doing WoW mods. it would be nice if there was some kind of script engine, where i could dump some code into while in-game and tell it to go, and print out a bunch of useful info to the screen as its running.. does such an engine exist? having to /logout and relogin to test changes to my script kinda sucks |
| 07:14.28 | clad|sleep | tarsin: download WoWLua |
| 07:14.29 | clad|sleep | or tinypad |
| 07:14.33 | clad|sleep | depending on what you want |
| 07:14.45 | Shirik|zZz | You don't have to log out and in |
| 07:14.50 | Shirik|zZz | you can just do /console reloadui |
| 07:14.55 | Shirik|zZz | or if you have devtools, /reload |
| 07:14.59 | tarsin | ohhh very cool |
| 07:15.13 | Shirik|zZz | Only time you have to shut down WoW and open it back up is when you change the TOC or add a new file |
| 07:16.24 | tarsin | ok. cool. |
| 07:16.33 | tarsin | WoWLua is fantastic |
| 07:17.15 | clad|sleep | thanks :P |
| 07:17.28 | Shirik|zZz | WoWLua is crap |
| 07:17.30 | Shirik|zZz | the author should be hsot |
| 07:17.36 | tarsin | oh hey you're the author. haha |
| 07:17.37 | tarsin | nice |
| 07:17.37 | Shirik|zZz | (did clad|sleep write it?) |
| 07:17.41 | Shirik|zZz | perfect |
| 07:18.46 | clad|sleep | purl, hwow is Hacking World of Warcraft, a book written by Daniel Gilbert and James Whitehead (Cladhaire) about user interface customization for WoW. http://tinyurl.com/2mgkek. |
| 07:18.47 | purl | clad|sleep: okay |
| 07:18.48 | Shirik|zZz | clad|sleep: Is that merely a port of your IRC bot to WoW? |
| 07:18.53 | clad|sleep | Shirik|zZz: no, actually |
| 07:19.11 | clad|sleep | ~wowprogramming |
| 07:20.48 | Shirik|zZz | WTF |
| 07:20.52 | Shirik|zZz | Why is my name in the description?! |
| 07:21.15 | Shirik|zZz | *** (Please note, the infinite loop detection is EXTREMELY limited and will not work in all situations (especially if you loadstring() a function, or do something else nefarious to get around it). This functionality is only included to prevent casual mistakes, not to serve as a true sandbox for the environment. (This means your Shirik) *** |
| 07:21.20 | |FF|Im2good4u | ey guys are buff also renamed on different wow langueses ? (i mean the druid shapeshift buffs) |
| 07:21.22 | clad|sleep | purl, wowprogramming is World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons, a book written by Cladhaire, Kaelten and Cogwheel. It serves as a technical reference for the WoW API and customization system (Due out Early 2008). http://tinyurl.com/2vtlya |
| 07:21.23 | purl | okay, clad|sleep |
| 07:21.23 | Shirik|zZz | You act as if I'm some evil hacker destined to find the holes in anything |
| 07:21.29 | clad|sleep | |FF|Im2good4u: yes |
| 07:21.38 | clad|sleep | Shirik|zZz: you like to find new infinite loops :P |
| 07:21.41 | clad|sleep | ~hwow |
| 07:21.41 | purl | [hwow] Hacking World of Warcraft, a book written by Daniel Gilbert and James Whitehead (Cladhaire) about user interface customization for WoW. http://tinyurl.com/2mgkek. |
| 07:21.47 | clad|sleep | ~wowprogramming |
| 07:21.48 | purl | [wowprogramming] World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons, a book written by Cladhaire, Kaelten and Cogwheel. It serves as a technical reference for the WoW API and customization system (Due out Early 2008). http://tinyurl.com/2vtlya |
| 07:21.55 | |FF|Im2good4u | ah tobad then my addon is for english only :P |
| 07:21.56 | Shirik|zZz | also, typo :P You wrote "your" instead of "you" |
| 07:22.24 | clad|sleep | where, i just typed a lot of things :P |
| 07:22.29 | Shirik|zZz | Actually I'm somewhat curious how you did that |
| 07:22.35 | Shirik|zZz | because debug.sethook doesn't work in WoW |
| 07:22.43 | Shirik|zZz | iirc the debug library doesn't exist at all |
| 07:22.45 | clad|sleep | Shirik|zZz: i insert timing code into your code :P |
| 07:23.19 | clad|sleep | local time_code = "do local max_time = time() + 5; if time() >= max_time then error(\"maximum execution time (5s) exceeded\") end end " |
| 07:23.47 | Shirik|zZz | yeah but you'd have to break every so often |
| 07:23.51 | Shirik|zZz | to check it |
| 07:23.55 | clad|sleep | no |
| 07:23.57 | clad|sleep | you don't. |
| 07:24.02 | clad|sleep | http://wowi.pastey.net/73905 |
| 07:24.12 | clad|sleep | it gets added before each and every "end" or "return" statement. |
| 07:24.20 | Shirik|zZz | ahh |
| 07:24.22 | Shirik|zZz | ok |
| 07:24.34 | clad|sleep | like i said, its primitive but it works |
| 07:24.40 | clad|sleep | prevents you from while true do end locking your client up. |
| 07:24.45 | clad|sleep | accidentally |
| 07:25.22 | Shirik|zZz | iter = function() return 1; end for k in iter do end |
| 07:25.30 | Shirik|zZz | bah, it'll catch that too |
| 07:25.32 | Shirik|zZz | hm |
| 07:25.33 | clad|sleep | yep |
| 07:25.34 | clad|sleep | :P |
| 07:25.37 | Shirik|zZz | I must think more clever schemes |
| 07:26.22 | Shirik|zZz | I mean I have some ideas but it would eventually just stack overflow which is worthless |
| 07:26.38 | clad|sleep | actuall |
| 07:26.39 | Shirik|zZz | I think your plan does catch most of them, that's good :) |
| 07:26.52 | clad|sleep | nope, its catch |
| 07:27.36 | clad|sleep | actually it won't catch repeat until righ tnow |
| 07:28.05 | clad|sleep | btu thats the only way you can end a block like that, |
| 07:28.07 | Shirik|zZz | ok |
| 07:28.09 | Shirik|zZz | simple solution |
| 07:28.19 | Shirik|zZz | time = function() return 1; end while true do end |
| 07:28.20 | Shirik|zZz | I win |
| 07:28.30 | Shirik|zZz | actually that might stack overflow as well |
| 07:28.38 | Shirik|zZz | since you insert a time() call before "return" |
| 07:28.44 | clad|sleep | lua> time = function() return 1; end while true do end |
| 07:28.49 | cladbot | clad|sleep: sandbox.lua:154: maximum execution time (5s) exceeded |
| 07:28.54 | Shirik|zZz | same sandbox code? |
| 07:29.09 | clad|sleep | no |
| 07:29.18 | clad|sleep | if you want, i can easily make this more robust :P |
| 07:29.26 | Shirik|zZz | I'm just having fun :) |
| 07:29.31 | clad|sleep | i have setfenv :P |
| 07:29.36 | Shirik|zZz | I think what you did serves perfectly well |
| 07:29.44 | Shirik|zZz | no reason to go overboard |
| 07:29.50 | Shirik|zZz | if you're trying to destroy your system, you deserve it |
| 07:29.51 | clad|sleep | hehe |
| 07:31.14 | tarsin | so i don't imagine the wow api allows you to do http requests? if i wanted to do something like i'd have to write some application that does it, and then have it spit out xml for wow? |
| 07:31.22 | clad|sleep | tarsin: correct |
| 07:31.32 | clad|sleep | the WoW API is rather sandboxed. |
| 07:31.39 | Shirik|zZz | you can't even "spit out xml" |
| 07:31.45 | tarsin | is the api list on wowwiki a good source for the api? |
| 07:31.58 | Shirik|zZz | you can only "spit out" Lua, and even then, you can only do so when the client exits |
| 07:32.03 | tarsin | oh really |
| 07:32.03 | tarsin | hm |
| 07:32.05 | Shirik|zZz | tarsin: that is the generally accepted documentation |
| 07:32.12 | Shirik|zZz | though not official |
| 07:32.19 | clad|sleep | the docs from our book will be better |
| 07:32.26 | Shirik|zZz | the "official" documentation is this |
| 07:32.29 | Shirik|zZz | ~framexml |
| 07:32.29 | purl | Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ or view it online at http://wdn.wowinterface.com |
| 07:32.31 | clad|sleep | hehe :P |
| 07:32.32 | clad|sleep | yep |
| 07:32.33 | Arrowmaster | the other option is doing some form of copy from out of game and paste ingame |
| 07:32.38 | clad|sleep | and its about all you need, tbh |
| 07:33.03 | Shirik|zZz | but seriously headed to bed now, it's 3:30 |
| 07:33.03 | Shirik|zZz | night |
| 07:33.46 | tarsin | adios |
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| 09:46.53 | Buuyo | heh, wow armory's xmlness ftw =o |
| 09:47.13 | Buuyo | I wonder if there's a light-weight version of the armory page yet =o |
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| 10:06.05 | Kalroth | Buuyo: I made http://www.eu-warrior.com/wal/ a while back, it's not complete at all |
| 10:08.17 | Buuyo | It's certainly not bad either. =) |
| 10:09.25 | Buuyo | I was thinking of ganking the official armory transforms and just removing the images/adjusting the links. |
| 10:09.39 | Buuyo | On my puny internet I die loading that page. T_T |
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| 12:48.58 | Lingin | Hello all :D |
| 12:49.03 | Dark | hi |
| 12:49.13 | Lingin | Got a prob with Healbot that i hope someone can help me with |
| 12:49.34 | Lingin | uhm |
| 12:50.22 | Lingin | In Healbot you only got one line where you can write macros for your mouse buttons which activates when you press the bars |
| 12:50.44 | Lingin | and i want to be able to cast Natures swiftness then Heal with one button |
| 12:50.55 | Lingin | but since its just one line to write on i dont know what to do |
| 12:52.01 | Lingin | any ideas? <3 |
| 12:53.37 | Lingin | were told this were the place to go if i needed help with this kind of stuff :) |
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| 12:57.08 | Lingin | dead stuff |
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| 13:06.36 | foxlit|mac | Short of forcing healbot to accept multiple lines, there's not much you can do. |
| 13:07.12 | foxlit|mac | It's a bit quiet because it's a bit early and we generally deal with addon author support rather than addon user support :) |
| 13:07.48 | foxlit|mac | Your best bet would be to contact the author of Healbot or poke other Healbot users and see how they deal with that. |
| 13:12.17 | Gnarfoz | linebreaks don't mean anything, right? |
| 13:12.28 | Gnarfoz | could just put it after another |
| 13:13.42 | foxlit|mac | Linebreaks don't mean anything (usually, there are exceptions) in Lua |
| 13:13.50 | foxlit|mac | Linebreaks are quite significant in macros |
| 13:15.03 | foxlit|mac | (strike there are, replace with there may be, was thinking of semicolons) |
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| 13:31.36 | Mero | hey, im trying to make an arena macro for the startup, but it doesnt cast all spells |
| 13:31.57 | Mero | ./castsequence reset=shift Fel Armor, Create Healthstone(Rank 6), Summon Felhunter(Summon), Detect Invisibility, [target=Youna] Detect Invisibility, Create Healthstone(Rank 6), Sense Demons |
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| 13:34.25 | zenzelezz | does it fail after the first Detect Invisibility? |
| 13:35.39 | Mero | first it does is making HS, it doesnt cast the armor |
| 13:35.51 | Mero | it casts both detects |
| 13:36.40 | zenzelezz | on the right targets? |
| 13:36.52 | Mero | yes |
| 13:37.13 | zenzelezz | hrm, didn't think you could use names in target= |
| 13:37.36 | Mero | i wasnt sure either, but tried and i worked ^_^ |
| 13:37.40 | Mero | it* |
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| 14:08.11 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge by Cairenn|afk -> #wowi-lounge: Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net | 2.1 ToC: 20100 | RTFPN please | Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. - Ambrose Bierce |
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| 14:17.16 | Cairenn|afk | :) |
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| 14:48.54 | Neebler | YO I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I WANT WHAT I REALLY REALLY WANT |
| 14:48.58 | Neebler | SO TELL ME WHAT YOU WANT WHAT YOU REALLY REALLY WANT |
| 14:49.05 | Neebler | I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I WANT WHAT I REALLY REALLY WANT |
| 14:49.22 | Neebler | I WANNA HUH I WANNA HUH I WANNA HUH I WANNA HUH I WANNA REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY ZIGAZIG AHHH |
| 14:52.50 | sag_ich_nicht | oĂ” |
| 14:52.56 | sag_ich_nicht | ~lart Neebler |
| 14:52.56 | purl | grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats Neebler until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with |
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| 15:04.28 | Cairenn | morning clad |
| 15:04.35 | cladhaire | morning. |
| 15:04.42 | Shirik | Neebler, that is definitely not want I wanted to wake up to |
| 15:04.45 | Shirik | I hate you now |
| 15:04.54 | cladhaire | in case you couldn't tell, Shirik and I were sleeping together. |
| 15:05.01 | zenzelezz | now now, we all have our Spice Girls moments. Except me of course |
| 15:05.04 | Shirik | yes, we went to sleep at the same time too |
| 15:05.28 | Cairenn | morning Shirik |
| 15:05.36 | Cairenn | and hey, whatever floats your boat |
| 15:05.42 | Shirik | morning |
| 15:05.56 | Shirik | heh |
| 15:06.00 | cryogen | anyone can give me a decent rogue levelling build at around level 40? |
| 15:06.19 | zenzelezz | all right, I did have a Spice Girls moment... but back then anything with breasts was valid |
| 15:06.20 | Shirik | cryogen: You're a rogue. You could have zero talents and you'd be good. |
| 15:07.50 | zenzelezz | many rogues do have zero talent |
| 15:07.54 | cryogen | Shirik: :) there's good and there's good and pain free :) |
| 15:13.40 | zenzelezz | I hate when people use "current" in their filenames |
| 15:13.53 | Shirik | ? |
| 15:14.23 | zenzelezz | my guild's DKP addon for example was just updated, there is no archive of older versions, and the file is always called blahblah_current.zip |
| 15:14.38 | zenzelezz | so it really doesn't tell me if I have the real current version or some old current |
| 15:15.15 | Cairenn | does rather defeat the purpose |
| 15:15.38 | zenzelezz | if there was an archive of older versions I'd be okay with it ;) |
| 15:15.57 | Shirik | no, that's still stupid |
| 15:16.49 | Shirik | you know what I hate |
| 15:16.54 | zenzelezz | Ace |
| 15:16.55 | Shirik | google when it tries to be smarter than me |
| 15:17.07 | Shirik | I can't search for things like SVN $REV |
| 15:17.20 | Shirik | it becomes SVN REV which becomes shows like every project known to man |
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| 15:25.26 | |Jelly|zZz | I'm amazed that people still roll for chests. |
| 15:25.54 | Osagasu | Yeah, seriously |
| 15:26.05 | foxlit|mac | pointless, since you now roll for items auto |
| 15:26.08 | Osagasu | Open the chest, give mana pots to the healer, health pots to the tank |
| 15:26.23 | Osagasu | and any trade mats to someone that can use em |
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| 15:27.29 | foxlit|mac | RLE encoding in TGAs: how? |
| 15:31.23 | zenzelezz | pretty easy, but I don't recall offhand |
| 15:31.28 | Shirik | Osagasu: Zomg I want teh health pots |
| 15:31.32 | Shirik | too expensive |
| 15:31.38 | Shirik | That's why people still roll |
| 15:31.46 | zenzelezz | where are you getting your TGA documentation fox? The PDF I use(d) explained it well |
| 15:32.06 | foxlit|mac | I've got a PDF that explains the general format |
| 15:32.59 | foxlit|mac | Which incidentially contains what I was looking for |
| 15:33.07 | zenzelezz | hehe |
| 15:33.17 | zenzelezz | if it's ~63 kb it's probably the same one I use |
| 15:33.23 | foxlit|mac | Just 13 pages after the part that was interesting to me |
| 15:33.32 | foxlit|mac | 136 |
| 15:33.40 | zenzelezz | sounds like mine's more compact =) |
| 15:33.49 | foxlit|mac | Got pictures! |
| 15:34.04 | foxlit|mac | And 26 pages |
| 15:34.06 | zenzelezz | mine don't, only tables, but those were enough |
| 15:34.37 | foxlit|mac | Ah well, something I can implement a bit later |
| 15:34.56 | foxlit|mac | export to PNG is about three times slower than to TGA :( |
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| 15:36.47 | zenzelezz | I like TGA for the simplicity. PNG is better, but having to figure the zlib or whatever it was and all the rest was just a bit confusing when you're stubborn and want to do everything on your own |
| 15:37.55 | cladhaire | converting to blp is really for the win. |
| 15:37.57 | Cairenn | "better" is subjective - png has a smaller footprint, but the quality isn't as good as tga |
| 15:38.09 | cladhaire | the quality of PNG is lossless |
| 15:38.13 | cladhaire | so i'm not sure how you say that. |
| 15:38.17 | zenzelezz | aye |
| 15:38.33 | cladhaire | PNG and TGA are both lossless formats |
| 15:38.45 | zenzelezz | as far as I remember PNG is also extensive in that you can include custom frames should you wish to |
| 15:39.08 | zenzelezz | TGA has something similar although more "clumsy" |
| 15:39.26 | Cairenn | then the artist that told me that was incorrect - I'm not enough of an artist to be able to see it |
| 15:39.59 | zenzelezz | well, lossless is lossless... unless they specified a bad bit depth or something weird they outcome should be equal |
| 15:41.07 | Cairenn | *shrug* just what he told me when I asked him why tga instead of png |
| 15:41.26 | cladhaire | yeah, there shouldn't be a difference |
| 15:41.38 | Cairenn | I have no problem with being told that what I thought to be true is wrong :) |
| 15:41.51 | cladhaire | hehe, i just had to look this up recently :P |
| 15:41.56 | zenzelezz | maybe the gamma/color correction is better in TGA |
| 15:42.13 | cladhaire | yeah its certainly p;ossible. |
| 15:42.17 | cladhaire | but PNG was meant to fix the issues in GIF |
| 15:42.21 | zenzelezz | aye |
| 15:44.02 | cladhaire | which may have something to it |
| 15:44.12 | cladhaire | because gif doesn't work well for high resolution photos or scans |
| 15:44.46 | zenzelezz | well, 256-color images generally are out |
| 15:44.58 | cladhaire | :P |
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| 16:08.55 | foxlit|mac | hm, I wonder |
| 16:09.12 | foxlit|mac | It should be relatively trivial to create a 2^32x2^32 completely black png image |
| 16:09.36 | zenzelezz | I remember people used to link a 50kx50k PNG on IRC years ago |
| 16:09.47 | zenzelezz | many browsers didn't like that |
| 16:11.03 | foxlit|mac | There's probably a sanity check on image size in most useragents by now |
| 16:18.41 | foxlit|mac | Hm, there's a way to change a stateheader's state based on a timeout, right? |
| 16:21.22 | cladhaire | iirc, yes. |
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| 16:34.03 | Shirik | there has to be |
| 16:34.07 | Shirik | serenity does that |
| 16:34.13 | Shirik | how do you do it, I have no idea |
| 16:34.27 | Osagasu | Serenity? Mal? Wassit? <.< >.> |
| 16:34.33 | Osagasu | Nooo, Wash! Q.Q |
| 16:34.37 | Shirik | ? |
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| 16:38.33 | Vangual | there's delaytime and delaystate on some secure anchors if that's what you mean |
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| 16:47.59 | Shirik | http://youtube.com/watch?v=qDSGmx8c2AM |
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| 17:14.41 | zenzelezz | bah... so it's our first real night on Vashj, and it looks like every second person in the raid is testing their YOU HAVE THE CORE macro on me |
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| 17:17.28 | [dRaCo] | TAINTED CORE TO zenzelezz! |
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| 17:28.55 | foxlit|mac | Why even bother? |
| 17:29.13 | foxlit|mac | Unless people are completely incompetent, the extra debuff should be clue enough that you have the core |
| 17:31.31 | zenzelezz | I agree, but I've learned it's hopeless to try to point out such things to half of my guild |
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| 17:43.19 | zenzelezz | well that's new |
| 17:43.31 | zenzelezz | [Lemore] whispers: In Soviet Russia, CORE has YOU!. |
| 17:43.42 | Shirik | rofl |
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| 18:01.48 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, nice topic, but i always liked "Politics, n: Poly "many" + tics "blood-sucking parasites"" |
| 18:01.57 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 18:02.01 | zenzelezz | the problem with that is that it's not correct |
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| 18:11.33 | Thunder_Child | zenzelezz, doesnt matter, it's funny, and thats the point |
| 18:11.59 | zenzelezz | you have a problem with puns, I have one with incorrect jokes |
| 18:12.26 | Esamynn | ~lart Thunder_Child |
| 18:12.26 | purl | holds Thunder_Child to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails |
| 18:12.29 | Esamynn | ~lart zenzelezz |
| 18:12.29 | purl | chops zenzelezz in half with a free Solaris 7 CD |
| 18:12.34 | zenzelezz | ew |
| 18:12.34 | Cidan | zomg |
| 18:12.42 | Cidan | Cairenn is back |
| 18:12.44 | Cidan | wewewyewyei3wuyrfiowuyrweiorw |
| 18:13.03 | Thunder_Child | crap, Cidan has been at the sugar again |
| 18:14.22 | Cidan | yeah |
| 18:14.23 | Cidan | I had like |
| 18:14.28 | Cidan | coffee with 4 cubes of sugar |
| 18:14.30 | Cidan | and like |
| 18:14.34 | Cidan | tons of chocolate |
| 18:14.42 | Esamynn | mmmm chocolate! |
| 18:14.43 | zenzelezz | he's just hoping for more, what was it Cairenn called it, @$$ pics? |
| 18:14.45 | Esamynn | gimmie! |
| 18:15.03 | Cidan | Psh |
| 18:15.09 | Cidan | if I wanted more, I'd just ask. |
| 18:15.13 | Cidan | Granted, I'd get a boot to the head. |
| 18:15.15 | Cidan | But still |
| 18:15.28 | Esamynn | ~lart Cidan |
| 18:15.28 | purl | beats Cidan to within 2.54cm of his life |
| 18:15.40 | zenzelezz | heh |
| 18:16.47 | Esamynn | ~botsnack |
| 18:16.47 | purl | Esamynn: :) |
| 18:16.52 | Esamynn | ~chocolate |
| 18:16.53 | purl | rumour has it, chocolate is mmmmm...... yummy =P |
| 18:18.24 | Thunder_Child | bah, chocolate sucks |
| 18:18.30 | Esamynn | ~lart Thunder_Child |
| 18:18.30 | purl | smacks Thunder_Child up side the head with a clue-by-4 |
| 18:18.38 | Thunder_Child | still sucks |
| 18:18.46 | Esamynn | ~bzfrag Thunder_Child |
| 18:18.46 | purl | ACTION blindsides Thunder_Child with an invisible bullet |
| 18:18.57 | Thunder_Child | except for white but thats still eh |
| 18:19.12 | Esamynn | blasphamey! |
| 18:19.43 | Thunder_Child | though i did find out that comcast caps your connection at 90-300gb/month |
| 18:19.50 | Thunder_Child | downloaded |
| 18:20.02 | zenzelezz | that's a pretty broad range o_O (still sucks, but yeah) |
| 18:20.05 | Esamynn | oh? |
| 18:20.18 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/internet/comcast-elaborates-slightly-on-unlimited-cable-internet-caps-90gb-to-150gb-300315.php |
| 18:20.34 | Esamynn | lol |
| 18:22.10 | Cidan | 90GB? |
| 18:22.12 | Cidan | not possible |
| 18:22.18 | Cidan | I download more than that in like, a week |
| 18:23.24 | Cidan | when I had comcast anyways |
| 18:24.47 | Kaydeethree | heh. I've been averaging 90 a month or so |
| 18:29.42 | Kaydeethree | and talk about idiocy.... http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1602364546#3 |
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| 18:31.20 | Wraanger | heyaz |
| 18:32.13 | JoshBorke | hi |
| 18:33.01 | Esamynn | hiya |
| 18:34.01 | Thunder_Child | hmm..mental image of a faceplam |
| 18:34.14 | Esamynn | ~poke Thunder_Child |
| 18:34.15 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Thunder_Child, pokes Thunder_Child repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 18:34.53 | Thunder_Child | bored again Esamynn? |
| 18:35.05 | Esamynn | not atm |
| 18:35.18 | Thunder_Child | gratz |
| 18:35.22 | Esamynn | :P |
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| 18:38.11 | Shirik | I so want to be this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SyIYIvgbE0&NR=1 |
| 18:39.14 | Thunder_Child | so be him |
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| 18:39.37 | Shirik | One of these days I will |
| 18:39.45 | Esamynn | that is disturbint |
| 18:39.50 | Esamynn | disturbing* |
| 18:40.41 | Thunder_Child | though i'm not sure why you would want to be him |
| 18:40.55 | Esamynn | oooh, I just heard Doom Lord Kazzak's voice |
| 18:41.05 | Esamynn | it's good and scary |
| 18:41.48 | Thunder_Child | "it's ok my child, i wont hurt you...now relax" |
| 18:42.40 | Esamynn | lol |
| 18:48.35 | Cairenn | hey Maldivia |
| 18:49.00 | Cairenn | *chuckle* |
| 18:49.04 | Shirik | it's a trap! |
| 18:49.19 | Maldivia | shh... |
| 18:50.23 | Maldivia | Cairenn: just noticed, the bug we talked about has been fixed on the PTR now :) |
| 18:50.45 | Cairenn | Maldivia: good |
| 18:50.50 | Esamynn | Maldivia: magic huh? ;) |
| 18:51.06 | Maldivia | Esamynn: appears so :) |
| 18:51.21 | Esamynn | it's Cairenn's own special brand :) |
| 18:51.31 | Cairenn | Maldivia: you saw it when I passed along their thanks, right? |
| 18:51.48 | Maldivia | don't think so? |
| 18:53.18 | Maldivia | when was that? |
| 18:53.34 | Cairenn | the day after we discussed it |
| 18:53.42 | Shirik | I think Cairenn is actually a Blizzard dev |
| 18:53.49 | Shirik | she just fakes that she can't code |
| 18:53.58 | Shirik | so that we don't get suspicious |
| 18:54.05 | Maldivia | Cairenn: think I've missed it then :| |
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| 18:54.22 | Neebler | .. /script PlaySoundFile("Sound\\Creature\\DoomLordKazzak\\GRULLAIR_Kazzak_Intro01.wav") |
| 18:54.27 | Shirik | evil evil evil! |
| 18:54.49 | Shirik | do /script PlaySoundFile[[Sound\Creature\DoomLordKazzak\GRULLAIR_Kazzak_Intro01.wav]] |
| 18:54.51 | Shirik | =P |
| 18:55.04 | Kaydeethree | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1602364546&sid=1 |
| 18:55.06 | Shirik | also didn't you spell gruul wrong? |
| 18:55.09 | Kaydeethree | lmao, 2 banned players now |
| 18:55.17 | Cairenn | they just said thank you for the heads-up |
| 18:55.45 | Maldivia | ok :) |
| 18:56.47 | Shirik | Kaydeethree: I've had a bad enough day to actually reply to that |
| 18:56.48 | Shirik | so I did |
| 18:58.38 | Esamynn | Cairenn: uh oh, they're on to you, run! |
| 18:58.45 | Cairenn | heh |
| 18:58.53 | Esamynn | ;) |
| 19:00.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone know what event fires when your PvP status changes? Closest I can find on the wiki is UNIT_PVP_UPDATE... and the wiki says that was removed in 1.11, and replaced with UNIT_FACTION... which makes no sense at all |
| 19:00.56 | foxlit|mac | It is UNIT_FACTIOn |
| 19:01.15 | ScytheBlade1 | That is so broken |
| 19:01.18 | Maldivia | UNIT_FACTION, arg1 == "player" |
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| 19:04.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Sure enough, it is UNIT_FACTION |
| 19:04.48 | Shirik | Kaydeethree: Who is this exodus guy |
| 19:04.49 | ScytheBlade1 | That's weird, but thanks |
| 19:04.50 | Esamynn | indeed it is |
| 19:04.52 | Shirik | he's an absolute moron |
| 19:05.01 | Kaydeethree | an idiot who's about to get banned, whoever he is |
| 19:05.07 | Shirik | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1602364472&postId=16020716466&sid=1#3 |
| 19:05.10 | Shirik | I argue that he's already been baned |
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| 19:09.58 | art3mis | the model editting is arguable by clueless people in that it "it doesnt effect the game ad is client side" however most people don't quite understand that by changing the model you change the "dimensions" that the game thinks you are. ie change to a gnome and youre much tinier than your original NE thus letting you go through "holes" also you can change environment models that defiitely effect the game |
| 19:10.45 | Kaydeethree | bushes ->zep towers <3 |
| 19:11.00 | art3mis | and THATS where it becomes a bad thing since your "client side only" effects server side and is thus a "hack" |
| 19:11.32 | Esamynn | I'd like to be able to change the model art files, but not the models themselves personally |
| 19:11.43 | art3mis | Esamynn: you can |
| 19:11.46 | Esamynn | oh? |
| 19:11.51 | art3mis | like colours and stuff? |
| 19:12.15 | Esamynn | yah |
| 19:12.25 | art3mis | yeah same as how the old wc3 hacks worked |
| 19:12.40 | art3mis | you pull out the art, modify the colour and put it back |
| 19:12.42 | Esamynn | but your not really suppose to do that either |
| 19:12.45 | art3mis | nope |
| 19:12.50 | art3mis | you arent |
| 19:13.11 | art3mis | m,ainly because that leads to above explanation happening ;) |
| 19:13.21 | Shirik | Esamynn meant legally |
| 19:13.30 | art3mis | something that sems innoccuous client side can effect server side collisions |
| 19:13.43 | art3mis | the colour change is a grey area |
| 19:13.55 | art3mis | its not "bad" per se it's just frowned upon |
| 19:14.24 | art3mis | the good grey side is that you can look different and feel special |
| 19:14.34 | art3mis | the bad grey side is that if a mob is wearing that model....... |
| 19:15.07 | art3mis | but its mostly questionable legally |
| 19:15.15 | art3mis | in regards to "colour" that is |
| 19:16.07 | art3mis | since thats "kind of" along the lines of tht skinning that TKing did for his themes and i did for HKUI |
| 19:25.05 | Esamynn | art3mis: sort of, but that skinning was only the UI files, which are completely fair game |
| 19:26.47 | art3mis | hence the sort of |
| 19:26.52 | Esamynn | indeed |
| 19:27.06 | art3mis | the themeing thats required for tkings and mine is actual mpq extraction |
| 19:27.13 | art3mis | so it could be arged that its bad |
| 19:27.17 | art3mis | argued |
| 19:27.32 | Esamynn | does it require you to put files back into mpqs? |
| 19:27.42 | Esamynn | or just into the correct place in the Interface dir? |
| 19:27.43 | art3mis | nope nor does model editting |
| 19:28.15 | art3mis | but im not allowed to talk about the actual extraction and what happenes past that point in here ;P |
| 19:28.25 | art3mis | suffice to say that it behaves the same |
| 19:28.47 | art3mis | changing anything but the colour in it "can" effect gameplay |
| 19:29.31 | art3mis | by all rights you "could" change the merchant frame to look like a bunny clock with the items in it's chest ;P |
| 19:31.00 | zenzelezz | no |
| 19:31.11 | art3mis | no ? |
| 19:31.14 | zenzelezz | it won't disrupt client->server communication |
| 19:31.30 | Shirik | you don't need to edit a model to do that |
| 19:31.38 | Shirik | just override it |
| 19:31.45 | Esamynn | art3mis: I thought the client didn't pick up files in the Data directory anymore |
| 19:32.08 | Kaydeethree | it picks up some stuff |
| 19:32.12 | art3mis | that im not 100% sure of since i havent done model editting |
| 19:32.21 | Kaydeethree | Soundrack works based on overriding stuff in the Sound folder |
| 19:32.35 | Esamynn | the client, USED to pick up model overrides in the data directory, but that's been disabled afaik |
| 19:32.40 | Kaydeethree | ya |
| 19:32.51 | art3mis | its all really a case of whether your modification will effect game dynamics |
| 19:33.01 | Maldivia | the only overrides you can do now, are Interface |
| 19:33.14 | Kaydeethree | and sound and fonts |
| 19:33.19 | Esamynn | unless you fiddle with the mpq files which is a big no no |
| 19:33.26 | art3mis | and you cant edit the contents of mpq's without breaking wow |
| 19:33.31 | Maldivia | yeah ok, soudns aswell... I count fonts as interface :) |
| 19:33.32 | Esamynn | aye |
| 19:33.38 | art3mis | they have a special hash check |
| 19:33.56 | art3mis | certain "keys" are checked |
| 19:34.09 | art3mis | like the url for the notes on the left side of the start up screen |
| 19:34.16 | art3mis | change that and poof wow cores |
| 19:39.25 | Neebler | artemis, still using a hello kitty UI? |
| 19:39.47 | art3mis | nope started mucking with a new one |
| 19:39.59 | Neebler | is it girly? |
| 19:40.00 | art3mis | http://www.gothi.ca/Stuff/hre.jpg |
| 19:40.10 | Neebler | oh |
| 19:41.23 | art3mis | maybe ill do a my little pony one too ;) |
| 19:41.33 | art3mis | or herself the elf |
| 19:42.17 | art3mis | my little pony apocalypse ponies! |
| 19:46.06 | Maldivia | I need to pull my self together, and make a new UI aswell... |
| 19:51.34 | Industrial | art3mis: sorry but thats butt ugly. |
| 19:51.53 | Industrial | I liked the kitty one better |
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| 19:56.21 | art3mis | thats mainly cuz the background panel art isnt done ;P |
| 19:56.49 | art3mis | havent cleaned up the image |
| 19:59.41 | Maldivia | http://nerdheaven.dk/~the_real/wow/scr2007.jpg -- I need to come up with something new... have had that look for over a year now |
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| 20:01.04 | [dRaCo] | anyone got a countdown macro for me? |
| 20:01.14 | Shirik|Ecole | countdown macro? |
| 20:01.42 | [dRaCo] | like, click and it counts down from 5 or w/e |
| 20:01.51 | Shirik|Ecole | not easy to put in a macro |
| 20:01.59 | Shirik|Ecole | do you have chronos? |
| 20:02.04 | Industrial | art3mis: no its the whole german thing :P |
| 20:02.16 | [dRaCo] | no, that'd be to easy, shirik ;) |
| 20:02.20 | [dRaCo] | not for me |
| 20:02.25 | Shirik|Ecole | ok |
| 20:02.28 | art3mis | industrial: roman ;) |
| 20:02.34 | [dRaCo] | clicking 5 times is ok, too |
| 20:02.39 | Shirik|Ecole | oh |
| 20:02.42 | Shirik|Ecole | then that's easy |
| 20:02.46 | [dRaCo] | are scripts sandboxed? |
| 20:02.49 | JoshBorke | huh, i was gonna try to do it |
| 20:02.51 | Shirik|Ecole | not entirely |
| 20:02.56 | JoshBorke | you can set globals from /script |
| 20:02.58 | Shirik|Ecole | yes |
| 20:03.09 | [dRaCo] | but using globals is... bad, isnt it? |
| 20:03.10 | art3mis | Maldivia: you should get hkui ;) |
| 20:04.11 | [dRaCo] | brb, gotta wipe another time on magtheridon |
| 20:04.16 | Maldivia | [dRaCo]: a 5 sec countdown macro: /run local c=CreateFrame("Frame")c.t=5c:SetScript("OnUpdate",function(t)c.t=c.t-t;if c.t<=0 then ChatFrame1:AddMessage("Time's up!")c:Hide()end end); |
| 20:04.21 | Shirik|Ecole | local time, lastTime = 0,0; myCDFrame = myCDFrame or CreateFrame"Frame" myCDFrame:SetScript("OnUpdate", function(dt) time = time + dt; if time - 1 > lastTime then |
| 20:04.21 | Shirik|Ecole | bah |
| 20:04.23 | Shirik|Ecole | Maldivia wins |
| 20:04.33 | Shirik|Ecole | however, I was going to reuse the frame |
| 20:04.38 | Shirik|Ecole | instead of recreating it every time |
| 20:04.47 | Shirik|Ecole | which could be both good and bad |
| 20:05.21 | Maldivia | art3mis: Hello Kitty isn't really my style :) |
| 20:05.42 | Shirik|Ecole | art3mis: You'll be glad to know that Conspiracy has a hello kitty theme which will likely fit well into your UI |
| 20:07.00 | art3mis | Shirik|Ecole: thats awesome on so many levels |
| 20:07.18 | Maldivia | and disturbing on so many other levels.... |
| 20:07.20 | art3mis | Maldivia: LIES! hkui is EVERYONES style ;P |
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| 20:08.12 | Shirik|Ecole | It's Cidan's doing really |
| 20:08.13 | Shirik|Ecole | not mine |
| 20:08.19 | Cidan | ? |
| 20:08.31 | Shirik|Ecole | 162:052:41 12‹Shirik|Ecole12› art3mis: You'll be glad to know that Conspiracy has a hello kitty theme which will likely fit well into your UI |
| 20:08.33 | Cidan | Tes |
| 20:08.37 | Cidan | Yes even |
| 20:08.43 | Cidan | I have an HK theme going |
| 20:08.48 | [dRaCo] | Maldivia, Shirik|Ecole: thanks :D |
| 20:08.49 | Cidan | it's actually mostly in, sans a few other stuff |
| 20:08.56 | Cidan | it's pretty. :P |
| 20:08.59 | Shirik|Ecole | imo you should be working on TIMERS |
| 20:09.05 | Cidan | I _am_ |
| 20:09.23 | Cidan | I haven't even logged in today to level up |
| 20:09.24 | Industrial | no you arent |
| 20:09.25 | Shirik|Ecole | fasterer! |
| 20:09.29 | Industrial | your getting killed by me in FF |
| 20:09.31 | Industrial | gogo |
| 20:09.34 | Cidan | lol |
| 20:09.36 | Cidan | did you get it? |
| 20:09.36 | Shirik|Ecole | Do you know why IBM's OS failed? |
| 20:09.39 | Industrial | yes |
| 20:09.48 | Cidan | add me to steam friends |
| 20:09.49 | Shirik|Ecole | Because they didn't get it out in time |
| 20:09.53 | Industrial | username :D? |
| 20:09.57 | Cidan | |SOLO|Dark |
| 20:10.00 | Industrial | k |
| 20:10.07 | art3mis | no |
| 20:10.08 | Maldivia | Shirik|Ecole: no, because Microsoft made it :) |
| 20:10.18 | art3mis | OS/2 failed because it confused people and scared them |
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| 20:10.29 | Industrial | unable to find |SOLO|Dark :P |
| 20:10.33 | art3mis | it was too powerful and they thought it was stealing thier thoughts |
| 20:10.39 | Shirik|Ecole | It's the same reason the 7 layer protocol for the internet failed |
| 20:10.41 | [dRaCo] | Maldivia: any way to get rid of that frame once the macro finished? |
| 20:10.45 | Shirik|Ecole | because the 5 layer protocol came into existence first |
| 20:10.48 | Cidan | aj.lobato@gmail.com |
| 20:10.49 | Cidan | try that |
| 20:10.53 | Shirik|Ecole | And people were like "why switch?" |
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| 20:11.06 | Maldivia | [dRaCo]: /console reloadui |
| 20:11.50 | Maldivia | [dRaCo]: once a frame is created, it can't be deleted |
| 20:12.16 | Cidan | sure you can |
| 20:12.47 | JoshBorke | no you can't :-P |
| 20:12.54 | Cidan | not manually, :D |
| 20:13.03 | art3mis | hehe i should convert hre to a wolfenstein 3d ui ;P |
| 20:13.04 | JoshBorke | you can remove references, but it can't be gc'd |
| 20:13.10 | art3mis | that would be boss |
| 20:13.16 | Cidan | er, frames don't get GC'd? |
| 20:13.22 | JoshBorke | no, they don't |
| 20:13.22 | Maldivia | well, only way is to reset the session (relog, reload ui etc) |
| 20:13.25 | Cidan | seriously? |
| 20:13.28 | JoshBorke | seriously. |
| 20:13.28 | Maldivia | yep |
| 20:13.30 | Kaydeethree | ya |
| 20:13.35 | JoshBorke | ~fail cidan |
| 20:13.36 | purl | cidan: Fail. |
| 20:13.38 | Cidan | :( |
| 20:13.43 | Cidan | That's news to me. |
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| 20:14.11 | Maldivia | would be a lot of work, to figure out if a frame wasn't in use any more |
| 20:14.18 | [dRaCo] | uhm, so that macro creates a lot of useless frames |
| 20:14.34 | Maldivia | yep, hence the reason why you should use a timer addon instead :) |
| 20:14.38 | Maldivia | that can reuse the frame |
| 20:14.41 | Shirik|Ecole | Cidan: Yeah they don't |
| 20:14.45 | Cidan | Huh. |
| 20:14.52 | Shirik|Ecole | Maldivia: I already showed you, you can reuse the frame :P |
| 20:14.56 | Shirik|Ecole | But nooooo your script was "better" |
| 20:14.59 | Shirik|Ecole | bleh :P |
| 20:15.14 | Shirik|Ecole | Actually I never finished mine because Maldivia's too fast :( |
| 20:15.27 | Maldivia | Shirik: didn't say it was better, buit you'll have a problem if you start two macros after eachother :) |
| 20:15.36 | Shirik|Ecole | yeah you would |
| 20:16.16 | Maldivia | but timer addons are easy to find, or make yourself |
| 20:16.34 | Shirik|Ecole | Yes! Someone finally came out and said it!! |
| 20:16.34 | Shirik|Ecole | " You couldn't pay me to use Decursive. Save yourself the trouble and just use one of the many, many custom Unit Frames that supports debuff highlighting. |
| 20:16.39 | Shirik|Ecole | (From WoW forums) |
| 20:16.50 | Shirik|Ecole | But yeah, best solution is to get chronos |
| 20:16.51 | Shirik|Ecole | part of cosmos |
| 20:17.04 | Shirik|Ecole | Then you can just do /in 5 /party Rawr |
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| 20:17.24 | [dRaCo] | yeah, guess I'm gonna suggest that. |
| 20:17.53 | Maldivia | or any of the other timer addons out there, you probably already have one installed |
| 20:21.03 | Shirik|Ecole | Why does everyone put /script UIErrorsFrame:Hide() .... UIErrorsFrame:Show() in their macros? |
| 20:21.23 | AnduinLothar | hide the errors |
| 20:21.27 | Maldivia | to remove the "Another action is blah blah" text |
| 20:21.28 | Shirik|Ecole | it does nothing |
| 20:21.31 | Shirik|Ecole | no it doesn't |
| 20:21.42 | Shirik|Ecole | UIErrorsFrame:Clear() does that. Hide and Show do nothing because it happens in the middle of a frame |
| 20:21.48 | foxlit|mac | Because understanding takes effort |
| 20:22.22 | Shirik|Ecole | s/in the middle of a frame/in between frames/ |
| 20:23.28 | Maldivia | depends, are the scrollingmessageframes optimized, so it auto fades out the message, if the frame is hidden? |
| 20:23.35 | Maldivia | in which case, show/hide combo does work |
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| 20:24.09 | Shirik|Ecole | In any case, UIErrorsFrame:Hide() UIErrorsFrame:Clear() UIErrorsFrame:Show() is redundant |
| 20:24.25 | Maldivia | yeah, the Clear is enough |
| 20:25.02 | Shirik|Ecole | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1602654603&sid=1 |
| 20:25.09 | Shirik|Ecole | should I tell him his sharing is illegal, or just answer the question? |
| 20:25.16 | Maldivia | or UIErrorsFrame:UnregisterEvent("CantRememberWhich") ... RegisterEvent(...) |
| 20:25.54 | foxlit|mac | Both |
| 20:26.26 | foxlit|mac | UIErrorsFrame is event-driven? |
| 20:26.44 | foxlit|mac | Hah, I though something else just called AddMessage |
| 20:27.25 | art3mis | shirik |
| 20:27.31 | art3mis | it's sunday why are you at school? |
| 20:27.34 | Shirik|Ecole | Eating |
| 20:27.47 | foxlit|mac | That's just a typo |
| 20:27.48 | art3mis | you go to school to eat? |
| 20:27.53 | foxlit|mac | It's actually Shirik|Ecoli |
| 20:27.55 | Shirik|Ecole | Why not? |
| 20:27.59 | art3mis | haha fox |
| 20:28.04 | Shirik|Ecole | Food's cheap and I can't cook |
| 20:28.14 | foxlit|mac | l2cook! |
| 20:28.15 | art3mis | woudlnt it be easier if you just had food at home? |
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| 20:28.55 | art3mis | if you cant make easymac or ramen you need to kill yourself now ;P |
| 20:28.55 | Shirik|Ecole | Did you miss the part where I said "I can't cook" ? |
| 20:28.55 | Shirik|Ecole | Eh, I have that occasionally |
| 20:28.56 | Shirik|Ecole | but I can't eat that every day for a year |
| 20:29.01 | art3mis | yes you can |
| 20:29.02 | JoshBork1 | you can |
| 20:29.04 | JoshBork1 | i've done it |
| 20:29.11 | art3mis | you should lern to cook |
| 20:29.17 | art3mis | its not that hard |
| 20:29.37 | Maldivia | foxlit: the error frame needs to be event driven, since a lot of the error message are generated by the server |
| 20:29.49 | art3mis | the part thats kind of funny is that you bring yer laptop to supper/lunch so you ca be online while eatting |
| 20:29.59 | art3mis | which could be solved if you'd learn to cook |
| 20:30.01 | art3mis | ;) |
| 20:30.05 | Shirik|Ecole | ~shirik |
| 20:30.06 | purl | "If I had to sum up my life, I'd have to say, the one thing I hate doing is nothing." --Shirik |
| 20:30.17 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm not going to go eat if I'm not doing something at the same time |
| 20:30.17 | Maldivia | ~me |
| 20:30.18 | purl | well, maldivia is 19:55 < Maldivia_> it's the xxx I'm interested in |
| 20:30.27 | art3mis | thats why you cook |
| 20:30.28 | JoshBork1 | ~me |
| 20:30.33 | Shirik|Ecole | cooking takes time |
| 20:30.33 | art3mis | then you're cooking and doing somehing |
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| 20:30.40 | art3mis | no it doesnt |
| 20:30.47 | Shirik|Ecole | and you also have to factor in the fact that I have to learn how to cook |
| 20:30.48 | JoshBorke | ~me |
| 20:30.49 | purl | Yes, I'm even more stupid than Thrae. I'm also a smart-ass. And apparently I'm not a person, so I don't count. |
| 20:30.50 | art3mis | you CAN cook and do other things ya know |
| 20:30.53 | Shirik|Ecole | so let's look at this from an algorithm perspective |
| 20:31.03 | art3mis | whats to learn? |
| 20:31.08 | Shirik|Ecole | Let us assume that I can go somewhere to get something to eat. This means I have to drive there, but they have the food essentially ready |
| 20:31.14 | art3mis | its not like you're gonna be cooking gormet shit at home |
| 20:31.16 | Shirik|Ecole | We'll call that O(2n) |
| 20:31.32 | art3mis | your travel time == cooking time |
| 20:31.43 | Shirik|Ecole | Now, let's assume that I can cook myself. That shaves off the time of driving, however I have to cook, instead of it being ready when I get there |
| 20:31.47 | Shirik|Ecole | So we'll argue that is also O(2n) |
| 20:31.48 | art3mis | during said travel time you're essentially "doing nothing" |
| 20:31.51 | Shirik|Ecole | So they're equivalent... for now |
| 20:31.58 | Maldivia | O(2n) is O(n) |
| 20:32.07 | JoshBorke | ~fail Shirik|Ecole |
| 20:32.08 | purl | Shirik|Ecole: Fail. |
| 20:32.09 | Shirik|Ecole | HOwever you have to remember that I have a one-time penalty of needing to eat |
| 20:32.11 | art3mis | then we'll argue costs |
| 20:32.13 | Shirik|Ecole | s/eat/learn to cook/ |
| 20:32.27 | JoshBorke | excuse me, but wtf cares? |
| 20:32.34 | art3mis | you're just lazy |
| 20:32.36 | art3mis | admit it |
| 20:32.37 | Shirik|Ecole | So while they are the same... they aren't because myself cooking has a higher Y-intercept |
| 20:32.42 | JoshBorke | art3mis: NO SHIT! |
| 20:32.48 | JoshBorke | took you this long to realize it? |
| 20:32.56 | art3mis | if you view cooking as a "need to learn before you do" endeavor you're lazy |
| 20:33.23 | art3mis | JoshBorke: he's trying to argue that he dislikes doing nothing, thus implying that he's always active ;P |
| 20:33.28 | Shirik|Ecole | Maldivia: Details |
| 20:33.42 | Maldivia | Shirik|Ecole: huh ? |
| 20:33.46 | JoshBorke | his statement is not defined clearly enough |
| 20:33.50 | Shirik|Ecole | 162:312:57 12‹Maldivia12› O(2n) is O(n) |
| 20:34.06 | Shirik|Ecole | art3mis: You act as if it takes me a long time to get here |
| 20:34.07 | JoshBorke | because technically you are always doing something as long as you're not dead. even then you're decomposing |
| 20:34.12 | Shirik|Ecole | I could probably walk to the school in 5 minutes |
| 20:34.14 | Shirik|Ecole | drive time is less |
| 20:34.45 | Shirik|Ecole | I do, however, want to learn how to cook rice |
| 20:34.49 | Shirik|Ecole | if I learn anything, that's what I need to learn |
| 20:35.00 | Shirik|Ecole | and not that lazy put a bag in boiling water crap |
| 20:35.02 | Shirik|Ecole | I mean the real stuff |
| 20:35.28 | Maldivia | Shirik: O(m*n) == O(k) == O(n) |
| 20:35.32 | Maldivia | Shirik: all liniary |
| 20:35.47 | Shirik|Ecole | yeah yeah |
| 20:35.56 | Shirik|Ecole | wait where did k come from? |
| 20:36.10 | Maldivia | Shirik: could have choose any other letter for that matter |
| 20:36.20 | Shirik|Ecole | Well I'm just trying to understand your point |
| 20:36.26 | Shirik|Ecole | I get that O(m*n) == O(n) where m is a constant |
| 20:36.35 | Shirik|Ecole | but what was the point of putting O(k) in there? |
| 20:36.41 | Maldivia | Shirik: missed the *n :) |
| 20:36.48 | Shirik|Ecole | oh |
| 20:36.48 | Shirik|Ecole | ok |
| 20:37.54 | Cidan | Shirik|Ecole, MSN or...? |
| 20:37.59 | Shirik|Ecole | ? |
| 20:38.02 | Shirik|Ecole | oh that's on at home |
| 20:38.04 | Cidan | oh |
| 20:38.05 | Cidan | well |
| 20:38.06 | Shirik|Ecole | are you trying to send a message? |
| 20:38.14 | Shirik|Ecole | I can hop one |
| 20:38.15 | Cidan | I keep getting the assert message for task.new |
| 20:38.16 | Shirik|Ecole | on* |
| 20:38.22 | Shirik|Ecole | that's because it's Task:new() |
| 20:38.35 | Srosh | !c eu forscherliga neogen |
| 20:38.38 | ThraeBot | Srosh: Neogen, Level 70 Human Warlock (27/34/0). 8683 HP; 8005 Mana; 118 mana regen; 120 spell crit; 93 spell hit; 536 +spell dmg/heal; 179 frost dmg (715); 179 shadow dmg (715); 4.36% dodge; 74 resilience;[[ TBR: 914 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yr33p3 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2mcqu2 ][ Updated: Sun Sep 16 16:51:51 2007 EST ]] |
| 20:38.46 | Cidan | I dislike using : for new |
| 20:39.03 | Shirik|Ecole | I've been debating back and forth |
| 20:39.17 | Shirik|Ecole | it was how RDX did it so I just followed it for now |
| 20:39.29 | Shirik|Ecole | function foo:new() local self = {}; |
| 20:39.30 | Shirik|Ecole | etc |
| 20:39.31 | Cidan | I don't do it in my code |
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| 20:42.16 | Shirik|Ecole | !vs us drenden kimina eu forscherliga neogen |
| 20:42.19 | ThraeBot | Shirik|Ecole: Kimina vs Neogen! A L70 priest and a L70 warlock square off!; 23/38/0 vs 27/34/0; Neogen wins by 128 TBRs! |
| 20:42.22 | Shirik|Ecole | =( |
| 20:43.48 | JoshBorke | !vs us drenden kimina us stormreaver dagh |
| 20:43.50 | ThraeBot | JoshBorke: Kimina vs Dagh! Two 70 priests square off!; 23/38/0 vs 14/2/45; Dagh wins by 344 TBRs! |
| 20:44.02 | Shirik|Ecole | I might as well take off all my gear |
| 20:44.02 | JoshBorke | just checking |
| 20:44.04 | Shirik|Ecole | I did better then |
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| 20:48.57 | Cidan | RLGLGHGH |
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| 20:50.13 | Thunder_Child | can anyone recomend a good 1000w psu? |
| 20:51.04 | AnduinLothar | thas alot o wats |
| 20:52.42 | Thunder_Child | indeed |
| 20:52.46 | bleeter | I'm quite fond of Antec PSUs |
| 20:53.15 | Thunder_Child | but from what i understand using a psu thats lower than what your using makes for higher electric bills |
| 20:53.33 | bleeter | http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=27100 |
| 20:53.56 | mikma | christ, who needs stuff like that |
| 20:54.05 | Thunder_Child | i saw that but it only comes with 2 sets of connectors for cards |
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| 20:54.19 | Thunder_Child | 2x8-pin and 2x6-pin |
| 20:54.19 | Cidan | How do you get the system time again? |
| 20:54.21 | Cidan | in lua? |
| 20:54.40 | Thunder_Child | atm i am looking at http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/product/Power/ToughPower/w0155/w0155.asp |
| 20:55.17 | mikma | where do you need that amount of power? |
| 20:55.21 | nevcairiel | Cidan: os.date? |
| 20:55.36 | Thunder_Child | in my computer |
| 20:55.48 | bleeter | "The TruePower Quattro™ comes with four PCI-E connectors for powering one (or even two) of the newest generation of video cards" /shrug |
| 20:55.57 | Cidan | I mean the uptime in ms |
| 20:56.20 | AnduinLothar | GetTime() |
| 20:56.22 | nevcairiel | GetTIme |
| 20:56.24 | nevcairiel | meh. |
| 20:56.54 | Cidan | :D |
| 20:56.56 | Cidan | thanks |
| 20:57.00 | Shirik | ~lart Cidan |
| 20:57.00 | purl | declares Cidan a moron |
| 20:57.06 | JoshBorke | ~lart nevcairiel |
| 20:57.06 | purl | moos at nevcairiel |
| 20:57.11 | Shirik | ~lart JoshBorke |
| 20:57.11 | purl | takes a rusty axe and swings it violently, taking JoshBorke's head off |
| 20:57.16 | Cidan | All you do is abuse me! |
| 20:57.17 | JoshBorke | ~lart shirik |
| 20:57.17 | purl | teaches shirik the basics, including how to RTM |
| 20:57.28 | Shirik | Isn't it RTFM? |
| 20:58.25 | bleeter | could be RTM |
| 20:58.31 | nevcairiel | purl is a friendly bot |
| 20:58.33 | bleeter | that'd be.. quite rude |
| 20:58.34 | nevcairiel | she skips the F |
| 21:01.26 | foxlit|mac | lua> nil == 42 |
| 21:01.26 | cladbot | foxlit|mac: false |
| 21:20.59 | Shirik | Anyone have a better solution than this? |
| 21:21.01 | Shirik | lua> local i, f = math.modf(-3.14); f = tonumber(tostring(f):match("%.(%d+)")) return i,f |
| 21:21.01 | cladbot | Shirik: -3, 14 |
| 21:21.23 | Shirik | objective is to split into its whole and fractional parts |
| 21:22.14 | art3mis | my solution involves you and a fire and some sort of dying ;P |
| 21:22.19 | Shirik | =( |
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| 21:25.33 | Cide | not sure which is better... |
| 21:25.36 | Cide | >>> tostring(-3.14):match("^([^.]+).?(%d*)") |
| 21:25.36 | Cide | Cide: "-3", "14" |
| 21:25.52 | Guillotine | dammit, was just typing that myself |
| 21:25.58 | Shirik | would have to tonumber() those later too |
| 21:26.03 | Cide | yep |
| 21:26.22 | Shirik | originally I had done it without a match |
| 21:26.32 | Shirik | but sadly it only works with positve numbers |
| 21:26.43 | Shirik | lua> local i, f = math.modf(3.14); f = tonumber(tostring(f):sub(3)) return i,f |
| 21:26.43 | cladbot | Shirik: 3, 14 |
| 21:27.04 | Shirik | I guess... |
| 21:27.07 | Guillotine | lua> return -3,14 |
| 21:27.07 | cladbot | Guillotine: -3, 14 |
| 21:27.09 | Guillotine | I win |
| 21:27.31 | Shirik | lua> local i, f = math.modf(-3.14); f = tonumber(tostring(f):sub(f < 0 and 4 or 3)) return i,f |
| 21:27.31 | cladbot | Shirik: -3, 14 |
| 21:27.41 | Shirik | don't know which would be faster though :/ |
| 21:28.04 | Shirik | in any case not going to test it because apparently cidan doesn't need it anymore :P |
| 21:28.09 | Shirik | I was just curious if anyone else had suggestions |
| 21:28.09 | Cidan | :D |
| 21:28.35 | art3mis | how could cidan not need pie? |
| 21:28.38 | art3mis | err pi |
| 21:28.42 | art3mis | thats just crazy talk! |
| 21:28.46 | Cidan | speaking of |
| 21:28.47 | art3mis | everyone neds and loves pi! |
| 21:28.52 | Cidan | Nancy just made some insane apple pie |
| 21:28.54 | Cidan | <3 it. |
| 21:29.07 | art3mis | i didnt get a birthday cake yesterday |
| 21:29.14 | art3mis | i got a key line pie instead |
| 21:29.17 | art3mis | lime |
| 21:29.20 | art3mis | it was yummy |
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| 21:31.17 | Cide | Shirik: your original method works fine if you add a very small thing: |
| 21:31.39 | Cide | lua> local i, f = math.modf(-3.14); f = tonumber(tostring(math.abs(f)):sub(2) return i,f |
| 21:31.39 | cladbot | Cide: sandbox.lua:285: Compilation failed: [string "local i, f = math.modf(-3.14); f = tonumber(tostring(math.abs(f..."]:1: ')' expected near 'return' |
| 21:31.46 | Cide | lua> local i, f = math.modf(-3.14); f = tonumber(tostring(math.abs(f)):sub(2)) return i,f |
| 21:31.47 | cladbot | Cide: -3, 0.14 |
| 21:31.51 | Cide | meh |
| 21:31.55 | Cide | lua> local i, f = math.modf(-3.14); f = tonumber(tostring(math.abs(f)):sub(4)) return i,f |
| 21:31.55 | cladbot | Cide: -3, 4 |
| 21:31.59 | Cide | I fail |
| 21:32.05 | Cide | sub(3).. |
| 21:32.10 | Shirik | ~hug Cide |
| 21:32.11 | purl | ACTION hugs Cide tightly until Cide turns slightly blue |
| 21:32.24 | Cidan | local x = math.floor(3.14); local y = 3.14-x*100; |
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| 21:32.54 | Cidan | yeesh, :P |
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| 21:33.27 | Shirik | oh yeah |
| 21:33.37 | Shirik | lua> math.floor(-3.5) |
| 21:33.37 | cladbot | Shirik: -4, |
| 21:33.48 | Cidan | er, lolwut? |
| 21:33.52 | Cidan | hmm |
| 21:33.53 | Shirik | lua> local x = math.floor(3.14); local y = 3.14-x*100; return x,y |
| 21:33.53 | cladbot | Shirik: 3, -296.86 |
| 21:33.55 | Shirik | fail! |
| 21:34.04 | Shirik | I saw that one coming |
| 21:34.14 | Cidan | lua> math.floor(3.14) |
| 21:34.14 | cladbot | Cidan: 3, |
| 21:34.15 | Shirik | math.floor returns the largest integer less than the value given |
| 21:34.22 | Shirik | for -3.5, that would be -4 |
| 21:34.48 | Cidan | lua> local x = math.floor(3.14); local y = 3.14-x*100; return x,y |
| 21:34.48 | cladbot | Cidan: 3, -296.86 |
| 21:34.50 | Cidan | hmm |
| 21:34.56 | Shirik | wow |
| 21:34.57 | Shirik | very fail |
| 21:34.58 | art3mis | purl loved and hugged and squeezed and called Cide George. |
| 21:35.09 | Cidan | lua> local x = math.floor(3.14); return x |
| 21:35.10 | cladbot | Cidan: 3 |
| 21:35.22 | Cidan | lua> local x = math.floor(3.14); local y = 3.14-x; return x,y |
| 21:35.22 | cladbot | Cidan: 3, 0.14 |
| 21:35.25 | Shirik | noob |
| 21:35.28 | Shirik | l2 order of operations |
| 21:35.31 | Cidan | oh right |
| 21:35.34 | Cidan | :D |
| 21:35.34 | Shirik | local y = 3.14-x*100; return x,y |
| 21:35.45 | Shirik | (3.14-x)*100 |
| 21:35.50 | Cidan | lua> local x = math.floor(3.14); local y = (3.14-x)*100; return x,y |
| 21:35.50 | cladbot | Cidan: 3, 14 |
| 21:35.51 | Cide | Shirik: less than or equal to* :) |
| 21:35.53 | Cidan | :D |
| 21:36.03 | Shirik | yes sorry Cide :P |
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| 21:36.16 | Cidan | Well that's fine, I'm only using positive numbers anyways |
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| 21:39.09 | Cide | *100 doesn't work if you use, say 3.1415 |
| 21:39.19 | Cide | lua> local x = math.floor(3.1415); local y = (3.1415-x)*100; return x,y |
| 21:39.19 | cladbot | Cide: 3, 14.15 |
| 21:39.29 | Cidan | true |
| 21:39.54 | Cide | I think it's easiest to convert it to a string and do a match, really |
| 21:45.57 | Shirik | Iriel: ping |
| 21:46.05 | Shirik | oops |
| 21:46.25 | zenzelezz | woot, guild DKP addon coder fixed the bug that wiped your auto-clear AFK setting... now I can remove my SetCVar hook |
| 21:49.37 | kergoth | Anyone here played mmorpg's other than wow? I never have, wondering if any are worth trying.. could use a change of pace. |
| 21:49.48 | Rallion | i'm playing LOTRO now. |
| 21:50.10 | Rallion | It's worth the 7-day trial, at least |
| 21:50.24 | Thunder_Child | i'm playing tabula rasa |
| 21:50.25 | art3mis | you've been playing the 7 day trial for like 5 weeks now |
| 21:50.33 | Rallion | art3mis, no, I bought it :P |
| 21:51.19 | Rallion | Honestly, though, it's not as good as WoW, IMO |
| 21:51.37 | Rallion | in SOME ways, it's better, but the questing can feel REALLY repetative |
| 21:51.39 | Guillotine | GuildWars is VERY nice if you just want a change of pace every so often |
| 21:51.42 | Guillotine | since theres no montly fee |
| 21:51.43 | Rallion | at least in the Shite |
| 21:51.49 | Rallion | er....in the Shire. |
| 21:51.49 | Guillotine | but I don't think I could completely switch to it |
| 21:51.53 | art3mis | gw sucks cuz you cant jump ;P |
| 21:52.02 | Guillotine | yah, that annoyed me at first :P |
| 21:52.08 | Rallion | GW is nice because there's no subscription |
| 21:52.08 | art3mis | it still annoys me |
| 21:52.22 | Guillotine | its still a good game though |
| 21:52.27 | Thunder_Child | silk road doesnt eather |
| 21:52.29 | Rallion | I don't really like it, but hey, whatever, bought the original anyway |
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| 21:52.39 | Rallion | Ooh, I forgot about Silk Road |
| 21:53.10 | Cidan | I love /music |
| 21:53.11 | Cidan | in that game |
| 21:53.12 | Cidan | :D |
| 21:53.25 | Rallion | My Hobbit Hunter can play a clarinet. |
| 21:54.29 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 21:55.18 | Rallion | I'm not sure at this point, because I'm still in the equivalent of Elwynn Forest, but I think LOTRO's world is way bigger than WoW's |
| 21:55.22 | art3mis | someone go make me a rearview mirror addon |
| 21:55.31 | art3mis | so i can see behind me when im playing ;P |
| 21:56.27 | art3mis | was "whiny hobbit" a class choice? |
| 21:56.35 | art3mis | you know in keeping with the feel of the books? |
| 21:56.55 | art3mis | Hobbit Whiner |
| 21:57.30 | Rallion | lol, no...but there's Minstrel. Is that close? |
| 21:57.54 | art3mis | laugh |
| 21:59.10 | Rallion | let's see...there's Champion (melee DPS), Guardian (Tank), Hunter (ranged DPS), Burglar (thief/debuffer), Loremaster (i...don't really know), and Minstrel (buffer) |
| 21:59.14 | Rallion | i think that's it |
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| 22:02.55 | Rallion | loremaster is apparently 'crowd control / pets' |
| 22:03.05 | Rallion | and there's also Captain (buffer / pets) |
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| 22:10.01 | Kaydeethree | oh wow... the MD leaks continue |
| 22:10.08 | Kaydeethree | they got into the phone system too |
| 22:10.24 | Antiarc | MD? |
| 22:10.25 | zenzelezz | the what? |
| 22:10.28 | Antiarc | MediaDefender? |
| 22:10.30 | Kaydeethree | MediaDefender |
| 22:10.31 | Antiarc | Dahahaha |
| 22:10.39 | Antiarc | I'd feel sorry for them, but they're a right bunch of bastards |
| 22:10.52 | Antiarc | So they can DIAF, IMO :D |
| 22:11.05 | Kaydeethree | no joke. there is no feeling bad for those bastards |
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| 22:11.12 | Phylactery | Any reason this wouldn't work (Use of RegisterForDrag and SetScript): http://wowi.pastey.net/73929 |
| 22:11.19 | zenzelezz | MD, RIAA, SCO... I'm sure if you add them up one way or the other you get 666 |
| 22:11.42 | Cidan | did you hear that leaked phone call? |
| 22:11.44 | Cidan | it's so |
| 22:11.46 | Cidan | f'in funny. |
| 22:11.55 | cladhaire | Cidan: link? |
| 22:12.02 | Kaydeethree | http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3809004/MediaDefender.Phonecall-MDD |
| 22:12.10 | zenzelezz | it's because of companies like that that the world has a skewed opinion about Americans |
| 22:12.14 | Cidan | It's the day after the e-mail leak |
| 22:12.15 | Cidan | they were like |
| 22:12.34 | Cidan | "well if you have something really really sensitive, you can just use the phone. |
| 22:12.43 | Cidan | " |
| 22:12.48 | Cidan | I fell over laughing. |
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| 22:22.08 | __art3mis | http://www.myndflame.com/index.php?categoryid=3&p803_sectionid=999999&p803_fileid=120&p803_js_on=1 |
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| 22:24.48 | Shirik | Anyone have a clue what this means? |
| 22:24.51 | Shirik | Message: Error: Original call failed while running hooks: SetItemRef |
| 22:24.51 | Shirik | table: 16F51160 |
| 22:24.55 | Shirik | oops, ignore that last line |
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| 22:28.04 | Shirik | Better question is this: What is stubby? |
| 22:28.07 | Shirik | And why is it mad at me? |
| 22:30.00 | Thunder_Child | maybe setitemref lost it's string source |
| 22:30.18 | Shirik | Well I'm hooking SetItemRef |
| 22:30.25 | Shirik | I assume I did something wrong, but I don't know what >.> |
| 22:31.08 | Thunder_Child | all i know is that i am looking at http://www.wowwiki.com/API_SetItemRef and pulling things out of my ass |
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| 22:34.07 | Shirik | ok what the hell |
| 22:34.14 | Shirik | all I can tell is whatever's producing this error is being a pita |
| 22:34.33 | Shirik | oh |
| 22:34.34 | Shirik | I'm an idiot |
| 22:34.35 | Thunder_Child | wouldnt be fun if it wasnt |
| 22:34.42 | Thunder_Child | QTF :) |
| 22:34.46 | Shirik | I did SetItemRef_new = function() instead of SetItemRef = function() |
| 22:34.53 | Shirik | I still don't know where this error's coming from |
| 22:34.57 | Shirik | all I know is it wasn't my code that caused it |
| 22:35.35 | Thunder_Child | can you randomly rename API's and expect them to work? cuse i wouldnt think so |
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| 22:36.42 | Shirik | well |
| 22:36.46 | Shirik | point is, the failure was in SetItemRef |
| 22:36.49 | Shirik | and I never overwrote it |
| 22:36.53 | Shirik | so wasn't my fault |
| 22:39.35 | Shirik | ahahaha |
| 22:39.37 | Shirik | Cidan is so mean |
| 22:39.42 | Shirik | in #conspiracy : |
| 22:39.43 | Shirik | 14(1811:3611:5414) 11-› Join: Gaunt 11(n=Gaunt@bas3-stcatharines10-1177606906.dsl.bell.ca11) |
| 22:39.44 | Shirik | 14(1811:3711:0914) 14(1115Gaunt14) Hello |
| 22:39.44 | Shirik | 14(1811:3711:3414) 14(11158Cidan14) Shirik, my mom works for the CIA, she says a major attack is going down soon. |
| 22:40.06 | Cidan | :D |
| 22:40.22 | art3mis | hahahaha |
| 22:42.11 | Shirik | So does anyone want to take a look at my SetItemRef hook and tell me if they see anything strange? |
| 22:42.25 | Shirik | I'd prefer if Iriel were here, I kinda just took his code and modified it a bit ( wanted to ask him if that's ok too ) |
| 22:42.39 | Cidan | (Translation: I want to show off my skillz) |
| 22:42.45 | Shirik | uh no |
| 22:42.52 | Shirik | skillz != huge errors whenever you click a link |
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| 22:43.45 | Shirik | nm, I figured it out |
| 22:43.55 | Shirik | for some reason it's not catching my link correctly and trying to pass it to the default handler |
| 22:44.06 | Shirik | and since the default handler never saw |HConspiracy before in its life, it's like "wtf" |
| 22:44.23 | Cidan | did u taek him 2dabar| |
| 22:44.24 | Cidan | ?? |
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| 22:45.26 | Shirik | .. |
| 22:45.40 | art3mis | hey look everyone its wobin! |
| 22:45.49 | Cidan | Oh shit, hey Wobin! |
| 22:48.01 | Wobin_ | <.< |
| 22:48.02 | Wobin_ | >.> |
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| 22:48.18 | Wobin_ | hey look everyone, it's cogwheel! |
| 22:48.36 | cogwheel | where?! |
| 22:49.12 | Cidan | Oh shit, hey cogwheel! |
| 22:49.20 | cogwheel | ~lart Shirik |
| 22:49.20 | purl | installs PocketPC on Shirik's PDA |
| 22:49.37 | Cidan | Cidan != Shirik |
| 22:49.38 | cogwheel | s/~lart Shirik/whassup?/ |
| 22:49.54 | Cidan | Unless you're just ignoring me, that's fine too. |
| 22:50.10 | cogwheel | ya... u no like XML u suk |
| 22:50.25 | cogwheel | :P |
| 22:50.28 | Cidan | Not my fault it's totally worthless, :P |
| 22:50.30 | Shirik | no he did that intentionally :P |
| 22:50.34 | Shirik | this ist he new greeting |
| 22:50.46 | cogwheel | :) |
| 22:54.10 | Kaydeethree | hahaha... the phone call is hilarious |
| 22:55.30 | Cidan | Yes, yes it is |
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| 23:17.53 | art3mis | ya know what i like about cogwheel |
| 23:18.03 | Cidan | sexy smile? |
| 23:18.06 | Cidan | huge cock? |
| 23:18.10 | Cidan | both? |
| 23:18.10 | art3mis | he uses hkui as a "take that!" resposne in the macro/ui forum |
| 23:18.46 | art3mis | oh and he shares his wife from time to time |
| 23:18.52 | art3mis | shes a good cook |
| 23:18.52 | Cidan | sweet jesus |
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| 23:30.11 | cogwheel | don't forget she plays WoW :P |
| 23:30.28 | Esamynn | lol |
| 23:31.04 | Kirov | So, is the addon scene for WoW really as dead as it feels? |
| 23:31.14 | JoshBorke | o.O |
| 23:31.17 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 23:31.22 | JoshBorke | why yout hink it's dead kirov? |
| 23:31.25 | ag` | dead hpw |
| 23:31.27 | Thunder_Child | why exactly are you feeling dead things? |
| 23:31.37 | Thunder_Child | nvm....i doubt i want to know |
| 23:32.19 | Kirov | Well, in comparison to the hay day, you could go on any site and find 100 new or updated addons, tons of comments, and at least one new addon listed in the first 100 posts on the UI form |
| 23:32.21 | Kirov | forum |
| 23:32.39 | JoshBorke | ok, i understand what you're saying then |
| 23:32.53 | Esamynn | I think it's more the community has matured |
| 23:33.02 | Esamynn | although, I'm not sure that's the right word for it |
| 23:33.04 | Thunder_Child | or the addons have |
| 23:33.18 | Corrodias | there's just... |
| 23:33.22 | Corrodias | not that much more i want to add to my UI. |
| 23:33.23 | JoshBorke | or it could be people are just enjoying playing more |
| 23:33.37 | Corrodias | i used to check the sites for new stuff every day, but i really can't think of much to improve my UI now after installing hundreds of them |
| 23:34.32 | cogwheel | not to mention the last patch was 4 months ago so there don't really need to be any updates |
| 23:34.38 | ag` | it's hard coming up with ideas for new addons |
| 23:35.26 | Kirov | cogwheel - that's fair enough |
| 23:36.10 | Kirov | Maybe it's my own person view coloring this perception, but the passion that used to exist in the addon community seems gone. |
| 23:36.38 | Kirov | Addons that have existed for months, sometimes years, with glaring bugs don't get updated. |
| 23:36.45 | JoshBorke | there's plenty of passion happening on wowace :-D |
| 23:37.02 | cogwheel | Kirov: well mine are definitely dead right now just because of lack of time to invest |
| 23:38.12 | Phylactery | Anyone have an inkling why this frame won't drag? http://wowi.pastey.net/73932 |
| 23:38.47 | JoshBorke | Phylactery: enable mouse |
| 23:40.10 | Phylactery | JoshBorke: Thank you |
| 23:42.11 | art3mis | kirov you should go get this.. it will bring you much good time luck joy fun fun happy http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7517-HelloKittyIslandAdventure.html |
| 23:42.48 | art3mis | its been downloaded 388 times |
| 23:42.55 | art3mis | that kind of frightens me |
| 23:43.02 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 23:43.53 | art3mis | i think i get the title of "Evilest Interface Evah" once it hits 1000 |
| 23:45.04 | art3mis | i think the best part is that hkui is capable of killing almost any thread that talks about hello kitty ;) |
| 23:45.53 | foxlit|mac | brain.reset(); |
| 23:46.04 | art3mis | Invalid Command. |
| 23:46.14 | foxlit|mac | brain.reload(); |
| 23:47.15 | art3mis | http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061010-7953.html |
| 23:47.20 | art3mis | hahah go theo! |
| 23:47.30 | [dRaCo] | "No such object: brain." would've been better. |
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| 23:49.14 | art3mis | the best part of hat article is the p[rojects leader saying "if you think its bad its because you dont know" |
| 23:49.16 | art3mis | hahahaha |
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| 23:56.01 | Kirov | <tangent> You know what would be awesome? If someone created a virus that infected as many computers as it could, then would run a virus scan on the machine, remove anything it found, then close known vulnerabilities, and deleted itself. </tangent> |
| 23:56.28 | Esamynn | lol |
| 23:56.38 | AnduinLothar | write it |
| 23:56.45 | AnduinLothar | definitely newsworthy |
| 23:57.03 | Kirov | As soon as I can track down a copy of Virus Writting for Dummies, I'll be all over that |
| 23:57.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | that was already done :O |
| 23:57.35 | Kirov | hmm? |
| 23:57.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | someone used the MSBlaster exploit to make a virus that closed the RFC security hole |
| 23:58.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | then deleted itself |
| 23:58.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | er |
| 23:58.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | RPC or whatever |
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| 23:58.39 | Kirov | Need more of those |
