IRC log for #wowi-lounge on 20070529

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00:17.29cladhairei have 800 + dmg.. what rotation should i pull for max dps/longevity
00:17.59ShirikSW:P, SW:D, Mass Dispel
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00:22.36KasoLuminax, when you pickup an item, it becomes locked so you cant do anything else with that until its dropped, i guess during trade items get "virtually" picked up from the vendor and put intp your bags, or something
00:31.54zenzelezzall right, noob table help plix - http://wowi.pastey.net/44051 - is this correct; and if so is it a "clean" way of doing it? Never delved into tables before
00:33.46Shirikthat's fine
00:33.58Karrion|Awayzenzelezz: it's correct
00:34.09Shirikif you wanted to you could have done something like ZSB = {player = ...}
00:34.11KasoNothing wrong with that, the "other" way would be to do it nessled like savedvariables style, but nither have any performance difference
00:34.16Shirikright
00:34.24Karrion|Awayyou could _also_ do direct inlines, but that's just a matter of style
00:34.24ShirikI do it your way though
00:34.36zenzelezzI was thinking of something like that, but my head got all messed up trying to think of the syntax \o/
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00:54.41ShirikI think this is officially the ugliest line I've ever written:
00:54.42Shirikgetglobal(RDXEncPane.btnAnnounce:GetName().."BtnHlt"):SetTexture[[Interface\Addons\RDX\Skin\speaker]];
00:55.42AellaE.
00:55.45Aellaw.
00:55.47Aellaw.
00:56.16AellaYou don't need to escape inside a long string? *lightbulb over head*
00:59.24Shirikyeah
00:59.27Shirikthat's why I did that
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01:01.20Shirikand... now all I have to do is update TOC numbers and 10.2 is done :D
01:01.59Shirikunfortunately there's like 20 files to do that in -_-
01:04.02AellaThe obvious answer is to write a Lua script to do it.
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01:07.57Shirik........
01:08.05Shirikand about 70% done
01:08.07Shirikand I just realized
01:08.16ShirikI'm writing 20010 in all of them
01:08.17Shiriknot 20100
01:08.24Aella:=(
01:08.49Shirik:)
01:15.36Shirikqq....
01:15.57ShirikCommit failed: Unable to verify lock on path /RDXC_HealerAssignments/RDXC_HealerAssignments.lua
01:16.02Shirikwhen did I do that ><
01:21.19cladhaireol
01:21.22cladhairelol
01:24.05Shiriknow I have to figure out.... what to do with the copy of RDX on wowi >.>
01:24.14ShirikCidan's moving and doesn't have internet ><
01:27.39cladhairewe can give it to you
01:27.42cladhaires/we/Cairenn/;
01:28.02zenzelezzanyone remember what cvar or setting you changed to get TGA screenshots?
01:28.08ShirikscreenshotFormat
01:28.21zenzelezzcan I change it in-game, or must I restart?
01:28.27Shirikgood question
01:28.29Shirikdunno
01:28.37ShirikI wouldn't see a reason not to be able to hot-switch
01:30.27Gnarfozif all fails, relog afterwards
01:32.01zenzelezzworked fine in-game
01:35.45zenzelezzhttp://home.samsen.com/zenzelezz/bars.jpg - These are my HP/power bars. There are many like them, but these are mine. My bars are my friends...
01:36.06zenzelezzno, I do not watch too many movies
01:36.32GnarfozFMJ ftw
01:36.38Gnarfozsadly, your bars ftl :p
01:36.42Shiriklol
01:36.49zenzelezzthey're only for myself, so I don't care :)
01:40.59zenzelezzbasically just wanted something slimmer than what I already used, as well as adding the bars for the focus; I find it very handy to have the values so close to the center when tanking
01:48.44sysragewhat's the slash command to do a ready check?
01:55.26cladhaireits /readycheck imo
01:55.31cladhaireoddly enouh
01:56.45sysragelol
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02:17.34Shirik~ping Cairenn|afk
02:17.48purlpong Cairenn|afk
02:17.48Shirikthat should be a factoid >.>
02:17.51Shiriker
02:17.56Shirikwell, that works
02:48.38zenzelezz" Weren't you supposed to nerf gruul after the patch? [...]" - three posts down: "Gruul does more deep breaths now.."
02:48.41OsagasuWin.
02:49.53cladhairelol
02:49.54cladhairehe's harder now
02:49.58cladhairewe're getting ass kicked.
02:50.38zenzelezzthe thread is split between "YES! He was buffed!" and "NO! He's the same as always, l2play"
02:51.58cladhairewe need to l2play
02:52.05cladhairewe're getting pwnt by shatter
02:52.09cladhairewhere its normally not this bad
02:55.07Guillotinewow, some GMs are just plain stupid
02:55.13Guillotineour guild is bugged. noone is showing up in the guild pane
02:55.21Guillotinethey keep telling us to delete WTF folders (of course)
02:55.35Guillotineeven though its server side and several people have tried it and it doesn't work -_-
02:55.57Guillotineapparently their changing our name so thats why it bugged :/
02:57.22cladhairelol
02:58.37Guillotineis it possible the gm is actually a computer? its giving classic automated responses
02:59.18Guillotinewe asked "Are you a computer" and it said "We are sorry we suggested restarting the WTF folder and it did not work. Please contact us if the problem is not solved at the next server restart"
03:12.10Osagasux.x
03:12.24OsagasuWoW doesn't have organic mech suits. >.>
03:12.28zenzelezzhttp://www.wowinsider.com/2007/05/28/wow-moviewatch-wow-gyver/
03:34.04Guillotinebest blue response ever: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=106664353&sid=1&pageNo=3#48
03:35.41zenzelezzhaha
03:37.06Guillotinethat whole thread is awesome
03:37.06Guillotinewell, from there on
03:37.06Guillotine"
03:37.06GuillotineYou're very welcome, Isobella. No offense taken at all. I appreciate the candor of your barely coherent posts today. Enjoy public service."
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03:43.44Shirikthat thread is so full of win
03:43.48ShirikCairenn, are you back?
03:43.59Cairennnope, figment of your imagination
03:44.06Shirik:( ok let me know when you get back then
03:44.10Cairennhehehe
03:44.27zenzelezzI'm pretty sure you're in everyone's imagination
03:44.45CairennI highly doubt that
03:44.49Shirikoh I don't
03:44.51Cairennbut thank you ;)
03:44.55Shirik21:24:49 ‹Shirik› now I have to figure out.... what to do with the copy of RDX on wowi >.>
03:44.55Shirik21:24:58 ‹Shirik› Cidan's moving and doesn't have internet ><
03:44.55CairennShirik: what's up?
03:45.05Cairennyeah, saw that, what do you want done with it?
03:45.12zenzelezzShirik is trying to hijack it
03:45.16Shirik>.>
03:45.27Cairenndo you want ownership transferred to you? or?
03:45.28Shirikthere's several options, what do /you/ think I should do?
03:45.39Cairennthat's up to you and Cidan
03:45.50Shirikyou have to make this difficult ><
03:45.54ShirikI suck at making decisions!
03:46.06Cairennwhat does Cidan have to say about it?
03:46.07ThraeCairenn: Is it OK if I publish an addon which deletes all the items in your bag and on your person, as long as I explain that it does this?
03:46.10Shirikand I don't think I should call Cidan at midnight :P
03:46.21ShirikI'll just wait until tomorrow then
03:46.35ShirikI wouldn't think he'd have a problem with it; I mean I have access to upload it to our home site so..
03:46.35ThraeOh, it'll also swear at you while doing this.
03:46.43CairennShirik: no, you shouldn't, tomorrow is fine, not like the world will end if it isn't decided tonight
03:46.52Shirikyeh
03:47.03CairennThrae: as long as you tell people that it does all that, sure - however, we won't host it for you
03:47.17ThraeCairenn: Addon-ist! :FD
03:47.19Shirik.. huh?
03:47.21Shirikoh
03:47.24Shiriktalking to someone else
03:47.26ThraeUhh, the F is for a mustache
03:47.42Cairennheh
03:47.43zenzelezzan unevenly trimmed one it seems
04:01.27ThraeWell there goes Reality.
04:01.46Shirikit wasn't that great anyway
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04:15.27MikmaThrae: try curse, you might have luck with that place
04:15.39Thunder_Child~moo
04:15.54purlmooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/moo/ and http://www.riddleme.com/html/cow2.html
04:16.27zenzelezza website must really suck if it emits methane gas
04:18.06Mikmahttp://www.linuks.mine.nu/moo/index.cgi?moo=is+niiiiice%21
04:18.08Mikmayeah...
04:22.33Shirikok in a group with a 67 shadow priest
04:22.36ShirikWe tell him to MC triangle
04:22.38Shirikhe's like "What's MC"
04:22.44ShirikWe tell him Mind Control he says "What'st hat?"
04:22.53Shirikwe tell him a priest ability he says "I don't have that"
04:25.49Mikmanice
04:26.02Mikmasoon he will say that he haven't bought heals either
04:26.13Shirikwell he's shadow he shouldn't need heals right?
04:26.15Shirik*roll eyes*
04:26.24Mikmathat's right
04:26.28Mikmahe can bandage
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04:27.48MikmaShirik: i once saw a mage saying he doesn't have Arcane Intellect because he thinks it's waste of money
04:27.54ShirikROFL
04:31.58Mikmachuckg: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=7189#cmnt40473
04:34.32Mikmachuckg: he won in the byte-contest, but not entering vital stuff into .toc ;) like, version!?! but here's the .lua: RAID_CLASS_COLORS["SHAMAN"] = { r = 0.00, g = 0.86, b = 0.73 };
04:36.58chuckgEh?
04:37.15chuckgOh.
04:37.22Mikmaso, you fail :)
04:37.35chuckgOk?
04:37.43MikmaNo.
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04:45.14GnarfozMikma: don't those taint the entire UI?
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04:54.41Mike-N-GoI just finished the quest line to Neutrality with the Netherwing, what do I do now?
04:54.51Mike-N-GoWhat may I do, rather.
04:54.57zenzelezzfriendly, honored, revered, exalted
04:55.38Mike-N-GoHow?
04:57.35zenzelezznew quests I think
04:57.56zenzelezzthink you may need 300 riding skill before you can get them, at least someone told me so
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04:58.17Mike-N-GoAnd where do I get said 'daily quests'?
04:58.49zenzelezzhttp://boards.worldofraids.com/topic-3437-1.html
05:03.13Mike-N-GoThanks, zenzelezz
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05:37.48Shirik00:45:59 ‹Gnarfoz› Mikma: don't those taint the entire UI?
05:37.52Shirikyeah pretty much :(
05:37.54Shirikdepressing isn't it?
05:38.01Shirikwe should be allowed to change that
05:38.07EsamynnAntiarc: ping
05:44.24EsamynnAntiarc: when you get a chance would you look at the svn:externals list on Sanity2's Libs folder and confirm that you indeed meant to remove more than half the externals on the folder last the last time you commited it
05:47.49EsamynnAntiarc: specifically, I am looking at revision 36676
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06:41.34AntiarcEsamynn: I'll check it, yeah
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07:02.58Tem|AFKoh GOD DAMNIT
07:03.10Tem|AFKI finally get a SL group that isn't retarded and we lose the pvp buff for shards
07:18.42Corrodiasmy computer had a machine check error today during our steamvault. some kind of CPU error or CPU-detected error. it was corrected by the computer, but it had me worried. i turned on the AC to cool things down a little in here just in case...
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09:11.14AyZoHey can some one here help me with GM commands?
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09:19.41LuminaxGM commands ?
09:21.50KasoAyZo, we have a "no emulating" rule here, i suggest you look elsewhere.
09:23.05Luminaxoh
09:23.24Luminaxthat immediately registered as "Guild Master commands" in my brain
09:23.49Kasowell it could be that, but given past experance my wager is on the former
09:31.03Luminaxhrmmm
09:31.03Luminaxso I'm trying to write a functionality that a Fubar extension already covers eh...
09:31.03Luminaxoh well... I don't use Fubar anyway
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09:38.34Luminaxseems like you win the wager Kaso
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11:21.07ToiletduckHI
11:21.17ToiletduckI have some questions that i wanna ask
11:21.56JoshBorkeHI
11:22.02JoshBorkei don't have any questions i wanna ask
11:23.11JoshBorkeCairenn: morning
11:23.14krkai have some answers, but dont know the questions
11:23.28JoshBorkekrka:  no one wants your wrong answers krka :-P
11:24.03JoshBorkethat was kind of...repetitive...it's still early
11:52.49Bleeterhaven't been about recently, is there a minor patch tonight?
11:57.06Luminaxjust regular maintenance I think
11:58.17Bleeterhmm, was kinda hoping at least a game binary update, fix this gawdawful glitciness gfx @ range on many systems
11:58.36Bleeterand.. who knows, maybe something for Winers ;)
11:58.52Luminaxhrmmm
11:59.00Luminaxhave you updated your gfx driver ?
11:59.19Luminaxassuming it's one of the newer ones, there should be update and WoW would be inclined to support the updated drivers
11:59.36zenzelezzwhat sort of glitches?
11:59.38Luminaxmaking backward compatible support haven't been their concern
12:01.22Luminaxare you talking about creatures seeming to jump ?
12:01.29Luminaxglitch with terrains when flying ?
12:02.39Bleeternah, terrain at long distance
12:03.15Bleeterquite a few reports in the forums, I seem to recall a 'yeah, caught that just before declaring the current patch good, fixing would've required nother ptr cycle' or similar
12:03.37Bleeterif that comment wasn't for the terrain at distance bug, pretty sure it was used for something after 2.1.0 went live.. /shrug
12:05.17Bleetersome bug in the LoD, anyway
12:05.22LuminaxI'm guessing that's for the mob who keep seeming to sink into the ground
12:08.31Bleeterhmm, dunno, I think that's different
12:08.49Bleeterthe other thing that's really getting to me, though, is the entire pet dismiss when mounted.
12:09.18BleeterI can appreciate for flying mounts, it makes some sense... but any lock or hunter on a land-only mount has always used a pet as a decoy.. argh
12:10.14Bleeterand sometimes when I dismount in combast, I don't get the pet bar. Now, could be a mod I'm running, but bloody annoying lol
12:11.12foxlit"has always used a pet as a decoy" == nerfing content bypass mechanics? :)
12:13.41Bleeterfoxlit: it'd be OK if I got an armor bonus on my mount while the pet was away ;)
12:43.26RecluseThere's no minipatch today is there?
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12:59.35dottedany of you know if CT_RABossMods have sync?
13:07.28sysragedeadly boss mods and natur enemy cast bars ftw
13:09.16[Ammo]I'd say BigWigs, but I'm biased :p
13:11.20sysragebleeter: my pet bar has been missing if i summon in combat too. it's fun *sigh*
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13:26.00foxlitI quite enjoy blizzard raid warnings :P
13:26.18Wobin=(
13:26.20WobinOMG BEAR
13:26.25Wobinis the best raid warning ever
13:26.41foxlitOur bears had awesome AQ40 guardian /rw macros
13:26.52Wobin"Oh no, Bear is driving!"?
13:28.54foxlitAlamo-style things for explosions and stuff
13:33.58dotted[sysrage]: deadly boss mods <- die plix :D
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13:50.27nevcairielclad|work: is there a wiki or something with information about dongle around somewhere ? :)
13:51.13cogwheelhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Dongle
13:51.44nevcairielah figures, i shouldve tried that :D
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14:14.22cogwheelSo how was patch day? Am I glad I was out of town?
14:15.01dottedwhen has patch day ever been a good day
14:15.43cogwheelwell, 2.0 (and 2.0.3 to some extent) were particularly awful...
14:18.19Corrodias2.1 wasn't too bad, as far as i know
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14:22.17zenzelezzI have only one thing to say about bad patch days
14:22.19zenzelezz12.6
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14:37.17foxlitQuick poll: what's the maximum sustained throughput for CHAT_MSG_ADDON before you're throttled via disconnection?
14:38.03hastedepends on the server I believe
14:38.31foxlitI'll settle for an order of magnitude in chars / second
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14:46.23[Ammo]foxlit: there is a chatthrottlelib that has those figures
14:46.32[Ammo]it's up on wowinterface afaik
14:46.42[Ammo]you could also use that to make sure you don't get disc'd
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15:05.44Kasois WDN broken or something >.<
15:06.09Kasocant seem to access any of the files; http://wdn.wowinterface.com/code/2106692/FrameXML/ChatFrame.lua for example
15:06.26Kasodolby-wowi, i guess you'd be the person to poke about that
15:06.31Kasooh
15:06.46Kasoworked now just as i wasted my time doing this >.<
15:07.00Kasowell its a little slow at least.
15:07.12Thunder_Childnice Kaso, you had a whole conversation all by your lonesome
15:07.19Kasoi know
15:07.48Thunder_Childwelcome to the psycho club, i am your host TC
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15:08.23Thunder_Childbut dont tell cog about it
15:08.44cogwheel|workwb, me
15:10.47Cidewb, cogwheel|work!
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15:18.49NeriniaWho would win: http://wowi.pastey.net/44626?
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15:20.58cogwheel|workmy mom?
15:21.16Nerinia>>> return SavedVariables.mom.." wins"
15:21.16CideNerinia: "Cairenn wins"
15:21.44cogwheel|workstrjoin(", ", ...)
15:21.44cogwheel|workwould win
15:22.07Neriniarrrright
15:22.09cogwheel|work>>> strjoin(", ", 1, 2, "hello", "happy")
15:22.10Cidecogwheel|work: "1, 2, hello, happy"
15:23.55dottedCide does CT_RABossMods sync?
15:24.04cogwheel|workbut strjoin didn't exist until 2.0 so you'll see things like that in older code
15:24.11Cidedotted: no
15:24.15dottedgood
15:24.17dotted:p
15:24.42Kasosince when did we get SV's on Cide ?
15:24.50Cidea while ago
15:24.52cogwheel|worksince a few weeks ago
15:25.04Cide>>> SavedVariables
15:25.04CideCide: { ["hex"] = function: 007CF940, ["mom"] = "Cairenn", ["fooprint"] = function: 007CF8C0, ["rs"] = function: 007CF8E0, ["GetRandomArgument"] = function: 007CF8A0, ["ftoc"] = function: 007CF960, ["ctof"]... (exceeded 200 characters)
15:25.10Cideit's a bit tricky though
15:25.15Cide>>> SavedVariables.mom = nil
15:25.15CideCide: nil
15:25.19Cide>>> SavedVariables.mom
15:25.19CideCide: "Cairenn"
15:25.28Cide>>> SavedVariables = { }
15:25.28CideCide: nil
15:25.29Cide>>> SavedVariables.mom
15:25.29CideCide: "Cairenn"
15:25.34dottedWTH
15:25.35Wobin>>> SavedVariables.hex()
15:25.36CideWobin: [string "SavedVariables["hex"] = function(n) return ..."]:1: bad argument #2 to 'format' (number expected, got nil)
15:25.37nevcairielheh
15:25.46Kasohow do you do save functions ^_-
15:25.47dottedlets lag Cide out ^^
15:25.51Wobin>>> SavedVariables.hex("frog")
15:25.51CideWobin: [string "SavedVariables["hex"] = function(n) return ..."]:1: bad argument #2 to 'format' (number expected, got string)
15:25.58nevcairiellol wobin
15:26.02CideKaso: naughty secrets
15:26.23Kasoi bet you just steal the input that created it dont you!
15:26.33Cide>>> SavedVariables.ctof(SavedVariables.ftoc(5))
15:26.33CideCide: 5
15:26.53Cide>>> SavedVariables.gg = getglobal
15:26.53CideCide:
15:27.00Cide>>> SavedVariables.gg("getglobal")
15:27.00CideCide: [string "SavedVariables.gg("getglobal")"]:1: attempt to call field 'gg' (a nil value)
15:27.11Cide>>> getglobal
15:27.11CideCide: function: 0098AA78
15:27.18Cideheh, that didn't work apparently
15:27.42Cide>>> string
15:27.42CideCide: { ["sub"] = function: 000295A0, ["trim"] = function: 0002A9B8, ["upper"] = function: 000295E0, ["len"] = function: 00029460, ["gfind"] = function: 000293A0, ["rep"] = function: 00029520, ["find"] = fu... (exceeded 200 characters)
15:28.01CideKaso: it converts it using a string function I forgot the name of, and then loadstring's it
15:28.30Kasothat sounds fun.
15:28.35Kasodidnt know that was possible
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15:29.55Aellastring.dump?
15:30.06Cidethat's the one
15:30.33Cide>>> string.dump(getglobal)
15:30.34CideCide: [string "string.dump(getglobal)"]:1: unable to dump given function
15:30.34Kaso>>> string.dump(function() print("fred") end)
15:30.35CideKaso: "\027LuaQ\000\001\004\004\004\008\0001\000\000\000return string.dump(function() print(\"fred\") end)\000\001\000\000\000\001\000\000\000\000\000\000\002\004\000\000\000\005\000\000\000A@\000\000\028@\000\001\030\000\128\000\002\000\000\000\004\006\000\000\000print\000\004\005\000\000\000fred\000\000\000\000\000\004\000\000\000\001\000\000\000\001\000\000\000\001\000\000\000\001\000\000\000\000\000\000\000\000\000\000\000"
15:30.46Kasoscary
15:31.08Cide>>> loadstring(string.dump(function() print("fred") end)))()
15:31.08CideCide: [string "loadstring(string.dump(function() print("fred") end)))()"]:1: unexpected symbol near ')'
15:31.14Cide>>> loadstring(string.dump(function() print("fred") end))()
15:31.14CideCide: "fred"
15:31.40AellaWoW has removed that function, correct?
15:31.48Kasonope
15:31.53Kasoits inside wow also.
15:31.57AellaHmm.
15:32.03Kaso>>>  local co = coroutine.create(function() print("Hello o.0") end) SavedVariables.kasos = co
15:32.04CideKaso: nil
15:32.13KasoSavedVariables.kasos()
15:32.17Kaso>>>SavedVariables.kasos()
15:32.18CideKaso: [string "SavedVariables.kasos()"]:1: attempt to call field 'kasos' (a nil value)
15:32.28Kasodidnt like that!
15:32.30Cide>>> string.dump(coroutine.create(function() end))
15:32.30CideCide: [string "string.dump(coroutine.create(function() end..."]:1: bad argument #1 to 'dump' (function expected, got thread)
15:32.33AellaWhy does it embed the source code?
15:32.54AellaFor error purposes?
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15:39.31Kasoi dont understand  GetAddOnMemoryUsage
15:39.39Kasoeither that or i dont understand GC...
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15:40.06KasoSo i do MyAddon = { huge table } and GetAddOnMemoryUsage returns big number
15:40.20Kasoi then do MyAddon = {} collectgarbage()
15:40.28Kasothen GetAddOnMemoryUsage still returns big number
15:40.37CideUpdateAddOnMemoryUsage() ?
15:40.58Aellacollectgarbage("collect")
15:41.22Kasoi though no arguments to collectgarbage was the same as "collect" ?
15:41.41AellaDon't see that that argument is optional at the Lua manual, though I could be wrong.
15:41.47Cide>>> local gc = collectgarbage("count"); for i = 1, 1000, 1 do t = { }; end return collectgarbage("count")-gc
15:41.47CideCide: 16.4736328125
15:41.55Cide>>> local gc = collectgarbage("count"); for i = 1, 1000, 1 do t = { }; end collectgarbage() return collectgarbage("count")-gc
15:41.55CideCide: -0.85546875
15:41.59Cideyup
15:43.36Kasohmm, i guess i just forgot UpdateAddOnMemoryUsage its working not
15:43.40Kasomy mistake
15:50.47trikanyone have any clue of the new arena gears for the next patch?
15:51.13trikis there really new arena gears for the next patch?
15:51.28AellaNext season, which may or may not be the next patch.
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15:52.42trikis it true top 5 teams gets epic flying netherdrake arena mount?
15:53.16Kaydeethree0.5% of each battlegroup
15:53.18Wobinif you fall off the top 5, do you lose your mount?
15:54.04Cideno
15:57.47KasoSo, memory counts towards the addon untill gc finally gets rid of it.
15:59.59cogwheel|workit should
16:05.26trikanyone know anything about Arthas since he is the undead king? (i think) is he in World of Warcraft, yet?
16:05.41Kaydeethreearthas is chilling up in northrend
16:05.47Mr_Rabies2no, he's not in wow yet
16:05.48cogwheel|workpun intended?
16:05.59Kaydeethreegah. damn. didn't even see that one
16:06.07Mr_Rabies2and if he's gonna ever be in wow and is actually killable i'll be mad >:[
16:07.57Kasoof course he will be killable Mr_Rabies
16:08.04Mr_Rabies2i just don't see how
16:08.11Mr_Rabies2that's like making sargeras killable
16:08.18Kasosame was illidan or magtherdon is killable
16:08.56Mr_Rabies2i dunno, i just don't like the concept of cementing the idea this will be the last warcraft game ever
16:09.23Mr_Rabies2remove all the conflict and what do you have left? :/
16:09.28Kasostill plenty of old gods out there, theyre much more interesting than ol' iceblock up there
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16:14.29Mr_Rabies2i dunno how they're more interesting :O
16:14.45Mr_Rabies2he almost one-shotted illidan :O
16:15.24nevcairielthe old gods wouldve one-shotted, not only almost :P
16:15.28nevcairielwtb fight against sargeras
16:15.48KasoCos we've had arthas lore for years, we dont even know the names of most of of the old gods
16:16.13Mr_Rabies2because the titans chained them up or killed them :O
16:16.14WobinLarry
16:16.16WobinCurly
16:16.17Wobinand Moe
16:16.43Mr_Rabies2i'm pretty sure if we ever kill arthas or sargeras i'm done with warcraft
16:16.56Wobin"It is not yet my time!!"
16:17.01Wobin*despawn*
16:17.09Mr_Rabies2i'll accept illidan because it's maiev and akama doing most of the work
16:17.21Mr_Rabies2but now maiev has no purpose :x
16:17.53Cidewell
16:18.05Cideyou do realize we've "killed" Kel'Thuzad too
16:18.22foxlitNext expansion: maiev goes insane and must be put down in the name of preventing a genocide of all mortal races. Discuss.
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16:18.27Mr_Rabies2well, he's a lich, and you turned his phylactery in for lewts
16:18.32Cideexactly
16:18.34Cide"Someone at Light's Hope will pay you hugely for this artifact. Who cares if Kel'Thuzad regenerates to full power?"
16:18.40Mr_Rabies2maiev has been insane since warcraft 3, foxlit :P
16:18.48foxlitNot... that insane!
16:19.07Mr_Rabies2i mean, once you kill illidan, what do you have left?
16:19.12Mr_Rabies2er, arthas, rather
16:19.30foxlitNaaru turning evil
16:19.34foxlitAnd stuffs
16:19.49foxlitCould do a tie in with another rts
16:19.53Mr_Rabies2you have sargeras, who can destroy whole planets with a sneeze, and some lame old gods
16:20.25KasoI dont get how people have a problem with "40/25 random people killing a hero" yet they can cast a blind eye on Thrall worrying about the level 13  Shadow Council invasion of orgrimar, or ghostlands/plaugelands level difference, its pretty obveous that "power" in this game is all relative.
16:20.55Mr_Rabies2because mob/character level != power
16:21.37Mr_Rabies2the shadow council you fight is powerful to you at level 13, and thus should be assumed powerful enough for thrall to worry about at the time
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16:23.24shabutiecan anyone talented in UI unit frame creation help me decide whether or not i should start this project or leave it in the makings?
16:23.46Cideum, I'm pretty sure that's up to you
16:24.00Cidebut throw it out to the channel and see if you get any replies
16:24.46shabutiewell, i know nothing at all about how to write it up or even if the layout i want is even able to be created
16:24.58WobinDid I miss the description?
16:25.22shabutiewell, i guess if i had to throw a name on it i would name it Wedge Unit Frames
16:25.58shabutieif anyone wants to check out the pic i threw together of it feel free to msg me and get my msn name
16:26.16Cideshabutie: I don't think a lot of people want to do work for others
16:26.24Cideunless you're offering some sort of payment, of course
16:26.48shabutiewell its not like i would take credit for it lol
16:27.05cogwheel|workso why are you being so secretive about the design? :P
16:27.39foxlitupload pics somewhere public, we're lazy
16:27.52shabutiek 1 sec
16:28.09shabutiedont laugh too hard tho, my photoshop skills are a bit limited lol
16:28.25Cidewe won't laugh at you
16:28.27Cidepublically, anyway
16:28.37nevcairielwe will after you left, tho
16:28.43Cidemost likely
16:28.48Cides/likely/certainly/
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16:30.03EsamynnWTH, why did they decide to do full maintanence this week? :(
16:30.09Cideyep
16:30.12Cideerr
16:30.18Esamynnlol
16:30.22Cideno idea!
16:30.26EsamynnCide: yes, yes you do :P
16:30.30Shirik|Ecolewtf
16:30.32shabutiehtttp://www.blood-bane.com/wedge.jpg for pics
16:30.34Shirik|Ecolemy aunt is evil
16:30.43Cideand rightly so
16:31.07cogwheel|workhyper-triple-T-transfer protocol?
16:31.08Shirik|Ecoleshe's all like "I hope you're having fun in summer class, we had a nice holiday weekend. The pool is nice already and Stephanie, Mia and Anna were swimming this weekend. "
16:32.00Shirik|Ecolethat's messed up
16:32.00Esamynnshabutie: is that Vashj?
16:32.00shabutiemainly focusing on the whole wedge thing... tired of square ass unit frames that could be simpilized into something else to take up less space
16:32.00Shirik|Ecolecogwheel|work: It's faster!
16:32.01Cidethat's BT I'm pretty sure
16:32.17shabutieidk i got it off nihlium's website... didnt have any SS's w/o my ui
16:32.17EsamynnBT?
16:32.17Cideblack temple
16:32.17Esamynnsorry, O'
16:32.17Esamynnahh
16:32.17nevcairielmore naga stuff in BT, damnit
16:32.28EsamynnI've been in Karazhan and Gruul's only I'm sorry to say :(
16:32.31Shirik|Ecolecogwheel|work, welcome back btw
16:32.34Shirik|Ecolehad a good vacation?
16:32.38cogwheel|workvery
16:32.43cogwheel|workglad i missed patch day :P
16:32.49Esamynnmy guild has NOT dealt with the 10 man cap on Kara well at all
16:33.03Shirik|Ecolewe have :)
16:33.06Endmy guild hasn't either
16:33.07sysrageneither has mine esamynn
16:33.07Shirik|Ecolewe HATED 40 mans
16:33.11Shirik|Ecolelike
16:33.12Shirik|Ecolewith a passion
16:33.40Endif 25 mans were 20 mans instead we'd probably do a ton better
16:33.41EsamynnShirik|Ecole: if kara was 25 man we'd be through it long ago
16:33.41Shirik|Ecole25 is ok
16:33.41Cide25 > 40
16:34.00sysrage40 mans were good for casual guilds cause you could have a few good people and a shitload of fucktards and still do okay. kara requires pretty much everybody to be on the top of their game
16:34.00Endit's that uneven division that hurts us
16:34.00Shirik|Ecolefor very large values of 25
16:34.00EsamynnCide: I haven't done enough 25 man stuff to know that yet
16:34.01cogwheel|workso shabutie, you're looking for something like a HUD but for other units then?
16:34.06nevcairielwe still suck in 25 because you notice when people cannot play :P
16:34.07Esamynnall I know is that the 10 man stuff drives me nuts and it's been VERY hard on us
16:34.25Shirik|Ecoleit is a bit painful for guilds whom are used to 40 mans I guess
16:34.25nevcairielkarazhan was totally nerfed with 2.1, imho
16:34.28Shirik|Ecoleor larger in general
16:34.32Shirik|EcoleYes, and unnecessarily
16:34.39nevcairielyea
16:34.43Mr_Rabies2zul'aman is gonna be a 10 man :O
16:34.43Shirik|Ecolewtf the skeletal ushers are now shackleable
16:34.47Shirik|Ecolethat was completely unnecessary
16:34.55nevcairielheh we still lost one mage :P
16:34.56shabutiewell ya, but i put in all my other stuff just to get a feel for what it would look like in the end i would want the party frames to be little humps kinda too
16:34.58sysrageya nev, that's been our problem with kara. we get a good group of 10 and tear through a bunch of the bosses tuesday. then half those ppl don't show up thursday and some tards come in and screw it all up
16:35.01cogwheel|workIf anyone ever has the chance to see the Blue Man Group, do it... they're frigging hilarious
16:35.11Shirik|Ecolewtf
16:35.15Shirik|Ecoleok I'm in the cafeteria here
16:35.22Shirik|Ecolethere's the 10 yo children a few seats down from me
16:35.30Shirik|Ecoleone of them says "Hey have you played counter strike?"
16:35.36Shirik|Ecolewtf is a 10 year old kid playing CS for...
16:35.41nevcairielfun?
16:35.46shabutiewho hasnt played cs lol
16:35.52Kasohttp://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=288930281&postId=2885951560&sid=1#4  Another Myth de-bunked thanks to Mythbusters! Uh i mean Kaso!
16:35.53Shirik|Ecolethis is like
16:35.53EndI never played cs
16:35.57sysragekids start a lot younger than 10 now
16:36.02Shirik|EcoleJack Thompson's dream right here
16:36.04Shirik|Ecolethank god he's not here
16:36.05nevcairieli never "played" cs, i only logged in for testing my server plugins
16:36.28cogwheel|workshabutie: I have to tell you, an addon like that would not be trivial to pull off correctly... Unless you're willing to learn how to do that kind of thing yourself, I wouldn't hold my breath on someone writing it for you.
16:36.43cogwheel|workhehe... "whilst"
16:36.46Mr_Rabies2dude i was playing NES and atari before rational thought began
16:37.08Mr_Rabies2(still waitin on that to happen)
16:37.17Shirik|Ecole(12:36:03) (cogwheel|work) shabutie: I have to tell you, an addon like that would not be trivial to pull off correctly... Unless you're willing to learn how to do that kind of thing yourself, I wouldn't hold my breath on someone writing it for you.
16:37.20Shirik|EcoleI missed it, what?
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16:37.31nevcairielKaso: whats that /rt tool anyway?
16:37.36shabutiethats what i was kinda figuring... gonna take a shitload of tuesdays for me to figure that out lol
16:37.39EndKaso: well, if you are using so much memory you start swapping, then it'd cause a pretty heavy fps loss :P
16:37.52Endalthough, that's an extreme, or you need to buy more memory badly
16:38.01cogwheel|workShirik|Ecole: that htttp link is to a pic
16:38.06Kasonevcairiel, just something i found on the dev tools section of wowi, "ResourceTools"
16:38.08Shirik|Ecoleoooh
16:38.11cogwheel|workit's a mock-up of what shabutie wants
16:38.22Shirik|EcoleI didn't click it because I was lazy and didn't feel like having to do something more than double click :P
16:38.31Kasoand cogwheel|work ! Whilst is an awesome word! makes me proud to be british
16:38.36Shirik|Ecoleclient didn't recognize it as an address
16:39.06Cideit's a new protocol invented solely to handle large-resolution, HD images
16:39.44Shirik|Ecoleah
16:39.46Shirik|Ecoleis it modular?
16:40.26EsamynnAntiarc|Work: ping
16:40.26Antiarc|WorkPong.
16:40.26Cidemost certainly
16:40.26Shirik|EcoleThen it must be good!
16:40.27cogwheel|workWould Hyper Triple T Transfer Protocol be considered recursive since the "triple T" is "Triple T Transfer" ?
16:40.48CideHyper TTTP: Transfer Protocol
16:40.54EsamynnAntiarc|Work: one other problem with Sanity, "checking" the filters, seems to only display items that would be displayed by checking the last one in the list that is checked, rather than from all that are checked
16:40.59CideI fail again =/
16:41.08Shirik|EcoleHTTTPTP?
16:41.12Antiarc|WorkEsamynn: Huh, ok. Thanks.
16:41.15CideHyper-TTTP: Text Transfer protocol
16:41.24Cides/protocol/Protocol/
16:42.20Shirik|EcoleBut I thought HTTTP was for large-resolution images?
16:42.26EsamynnAntiarc|Work: anyways, did you get a chance to check your externals yet? ;)
16:42.37Antiarc|WorkHeh, no, I haven't.
16:42.38CideShirik|Ecole: yeah, but a squirrel came up with the name
16:42.41Antiarc|WorkI've been busy on another project.
16:42.45Esamynnok
16:44.33Mr_Rabies2Turbo Text Transfer Protocol 2: Hyper Edition Third Strike
16:44.56Esamynn........................
16:45.52Shirik|Ecolewow
16:46.00Shirik|Ecolethat's so complex-sounding it MUST be fast!
16:46.05Shirik|Ecolebut it's missing one thing
16:46.18Shirik|EcoleUniversal Turbo Text Transfer Protocol 2: Hyper Edition Third Strike
16:46.19Shirik|Ecolethere we go.
16:46.26Shirik|Ecolenow it's platform independent
16:46.41CideI like it
16:47.41Shirik|EcoleI vote we write up a proposal and submit it to IEEE
16:47.54foxlitDoes :Disable() propagate?
16:48.04Shirik|Ecolegood question
16:48.06Shirik|EcoleI don't think so
16:48.10foxliti.e. if I disable a frame, do all the buttons stop working?
16:48.25Shirik|Ecolebut imho it should
16:48.30KasoIm sure i read something abou that foxlit
16:48.34Shirik|Ecoleeasy way to test :P
16:48.43Kasoeither is just got changed so it did, or its about to be change so it does
16:49.25Cideit doesn't afaik
16:49.33Cidebut not positive
16:49.34foxlitSucks :/
16:50.07Shirik|EcoleI know for what I did
16:50.20Shirik|EcoleI just disabled every button
16:50.22Shirik|Ecoleit was a pain
16:50.25Shirik|Ecolebut I wrote that quite a while ago
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16:57.17Shirik|Ecolesioraiocht == clad|work ?
16:57.25sioraiochtumm
16:57.27sioraiochtno
16:57.30sioraiochtwe're two different people
16:57.31sioraiochtwhy?
16:57.37Shirik|Ecole(12:54:46)  -› Join: clad|work (n=cladhair@cpe-74-71-116-245.twcny.res.rr.com) (clones with: sioraiocht)
16:57.41clad|worksioraiocht is clad's boyfriend
16:57.45Shirik|Ecoleooo
16:57.46sioraiochtwe're at the same IP
16:57.47Shirik|Ecoleok :)
16:58.11Kaydeethreewe're all the same IP
16:58.21clad|worki'm at 127.0.0.1
16:58.23Shirik|EcoleMy IP is 127.0.0.1
16:58.23clad|worknub
16:58.27clad|workHA
16:58.28sioraiochtShirik|Ecole: are you french/
16:58.29clad|worktoo late
16:58.29Hallucinosishey mine too
16:58.32Shirik|Ecole:(
16:58.34ScytheBlade1No way!
16:58.35ScytheBlade1That's mine TOO!
16:58.47Tem|WorkThere's no place like 127.0.0.1
16:58.53Shirik|EcoleI'm wearing that shirt :P
16:58.59HallucinosisI just got a message "your IP address is in use by someone else"
16:59.13Shirik|Ecolesioraiocht: Non, mais je peux parler francais un peu
16:59.15ScytheBlade1Unless your 127.0.0.1 is currently being afflicted with an earthquake
16:59.28Shirik|EcoleExcept I don't have a c w/ accent on my keyboard :(
16:59.49sioraiochtno worries, je ne parle pas français =)
17:00.08zenzelezzI spit on you 127.0.0.1 people
17:00.11zenzelezzI'm on 10.0.0.2
17:00.26sysrage...
17:00.29Shirik|EcoleYou have to be on 127.0.0.1 also :P
17:00.31sysrageyou're on 127.0.0.1 too
17:00.36zenzelezzI know you freaks
17:00.58Shirik|EcoleI shall now DoS 127.0.0.1 !! You all will get owned!
17:01.05sioraiochtmais je le comprends.
17:01.06Shirik|EcoleThis is my internetz
17:01.55sysragehaha
17:02.34clad|workokay... back to work
17:02.36clad|work*sad face*
17:02.56cogwheel|workyour "back to work" isn't nearly as significant as mine :P
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17:03.06clad|workheh
17:03.10clad|workmine requires another 25 minute drive
17:03.30cogwheel|workmine was from a 7 day vegas vacation :P
17:03.46clad|workwell, i dont work again until Monday =)
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17:04.40clad|workcogwheel|work: Can i email you a puzzle I need solving later?
17:05.04cogwheel|workdepends on the nature of the puzzle :P
17:05.26clad|worki'll just do it
17:05.26clad|workShirik: i'll cc you
17:05.48cogwheel|workasking to ask... geeze...
17:05.50cogwheel|work:P
17:05.56clad|worklol
17:06.02clad|workk,  inc email in 30 minutes :P
17:07.10Shirik13:06:11 ‹@clad|work› Shirik: i'll cc you
17:07.11Shirikyey :)
17:07.16Industrialsonce when do yellow mobs on level higher then you or even lower do crushing blows?
17:07.36clad|workits not a very interesting problem
17:07.39clad|workbut one i'd like to solve
17:07.45Shirikit gives me something to do at least :P
17:07.49cogwheel|workIndustrial: WTB some vowels?
17:07.58Shirik13:08:01 ‹Industrial› sonce when do yellow mobs on level higher then you or even lower do crushing blows?
17:08.12Endcogwheel|work: he has vowels
17:08.17Endjust not the right ones
17:08.20Shirikany mob can do a crushing blow, it's just so beyond insignificant for a L1 to do a crushing blow to a L70
17:08.21cogwheel|workexactly
17:08.25Shirikit's like
17:08.28cogwheel|workand i'm willing to sell the right ones
17:08.34Shirikwell, with denormalization, it _is_ 0
17:08.49Endprobably if he rearranged his vowels, he'd be fine
17:09.12Endhe doesn't need to buy your cheap imitation vowels!
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17:09.33cogwheel|workno, he's definitely missing at least one...
17:10.59Industrialsigh
17:12.17zenzelezzI wish they'd chosen a different color for the craft links... the yellow looks so messy
17:12.33AellaWe'll be used to it within two weeks, though.
17:12.34foxlitNothing you can't change
17:13.01foxlitOpinion poll: what makes an intuitive "add new" button?
17:13.18zenzelezzwhere can I change it?
17:13.29cogwheel|worka plus sign
17:13.31zenzelezzadd new what?
17:13.33foxlitHook AddMessage, change colorcodes
17:13.43foxlitList entry, for all purposes.
17:13.44zenzelezzthat's too messy for my taste
17:13.48cogwheel|workor a star
17:13.51zenzelezzlist entry I'd agree with +
17:13.55foxlitI currently have a list entry that says (Click here to add a new bar)
17:13.59zenzelezzfor files, a blank sheet is more common
17:14.16foxlitWhere, in general? Top? Bottom?
17:14.22cogwheel|work"New..."
17:14.40AellaHow do you remove entries?
17:14.53foxlitClick on them to get into edit, click delete from there
17:15.04Shirikso why not "Add" ?
17:15.09Shirikquite the opposite of "Delete"
17:15.12foxlitEdit view replaces the list
17:15.17foxlitSo you can't see both at once
17:15.24AellaI'd go with what the friends list does (or guild list).
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17:19.20foxlitThat's not a bad idea :)
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17:27.34Kaso>>> coroutine.resume(SavedVariables.kasos)
17:27.34CideKaso: [string "coroutine.resume(SavedVariables.kasos)"]:1: bad argument #1 to 'resume' (coroutine expected)
17:27.42Kaso>>> SavedVariables.kasos
17:27.42CideKaso: nil
17:27.48Kasook fair enough
17:27.50Shiriklol
17:27.53Shirikyour coroutine got owned :P
17:28.59Kasoclearly didnt get saved properly
17:29.09Shirikclearly you didn't save it properly :P
17:30.03Kasoi wonder if any addons use coroutines
17:30.08Shirikmine does
17:30.18Kasooh? for what?
17:30.31Shirikok basically what happens is
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17:30.42ShirikI'm doing some complex processing of every possible chat event
17:30.58Shirikso, what it does is as the events come in, they get added to a queue
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17:31.08Shirikthe coroutine is resumed every... I think 0.25 seconds
17:31.18Shirikwhich handles the queue
17:31.29Shirikcertain parsing actions actually yield in the middle as well
17:31.33Shirikbecause they're especially long
17:31.41*** topic/#wowi-lounge by Cairenn -> #wowi-lounge: Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net | 2.1 Toc: 20100 | RTFPN please | "so crap. mom doesn't exist?" - Kaydeethree
17:32.00Shirikthe goal is to parse lots of information without causing a performance hit
17:32.07Cairennmorning cogwheel|work :)
17:32.09trikFourth boss of Hyjal down first by Curse! - http://wow-en.curse-gaming.com/articles/details/1980/
17:32.09Shiriksince this will always be in combat
17:32.27KasoCairenn! poke dolby for me and make him look at wdn! its really slow atm :>
17:32.36Shirikhi Cairenn
17:32.43CairennKaso: you just did
17:32.46CairennShirik: morning
17:32.59Kasoi pinged him earlier but not listening i think
17:33.09ThraeShirik: That's interesting. You should talk to rophy about your use of coroutines. He does ParserLib.
17:33.09Shirikhe's always listening
17:33.12Shirikhe's more ninja than Cairenn
17:34.46rophywhy ping me?
17:35.07Thraerophy: Shirik uses coroutines in his combat message event parsing, which he says can be more efficient.
17:35.16Shirikthat depends on how you define "efficient"
17:35.19ThraeI don't know a lot about coroutines myself, never having used them.
17:35.24Shirikby my definition, it is most definitely not more efficient
17:35.39Shirikhowever, from a user's standpoint, it will be better
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17:35.46ThraeOh? Sorry, I must have misconstrued.
17:35.48rophyhmm, you queue up the messages and process them in batch every n seconds?
17:35.50Shirikbecause it will be more responsive
17:36.00Shiriklet me check my exact details ;)
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17:36.19TC-Workinghuh..i was loging on and saw "- tip: World of Warcraft quick search: /thott (thottbot.com), /allak (wow.allakhazam.com), /wh (wowhead.com)" kinda interesting
17:36.49Shirikyeah I saw that too a few days ago
17:37.08Kaso0.o
17:37.09wereHamster? did they really implement that?
17:37.11Kasoreally?
17:37.16Shirikok
17:37.18TC-Workingi mean for this channel i can understand, but for all of freenode...
17:37.23rophyShirik: isnt it less responsive if you process the messages only every 0.25 seconds?
17:37.28ShirikTC-Working: I'm pretty sure it's nbs-irc doing that
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17:37.39Shirikrophy: That depends on how you define "responsive."
17:37.46rophywhat's your definition?
17:37.48ShirikThe messages will be parsed more slowly, yes
17:37.51Shirikthe game itself will be more responsive
17:37.54cogwheel|workas opposed to freezing the game
17:38.14ShirikHere's details: I have the coroutine resumed every 0.1 seconds, adaptively
17:38.16TC-Workingyea Shirik, i think your correct "/wh" took me right there in the browser
17:38.28rophymy idea is to have a centralized parser, which (i hope) every addon could use, so the regEx parsing is done only once for all addons.
17:38.34Shirik(Adaptive schedule = if FPS starts to drop, the time will be slowed)
17:38.49rophyideally, if you only parse things once in your client, it'll be responsive enough.
17:38.50TC-Workingthough i didnt know nbs is WoW specific
17:39.01ShirikIn most cases, each resume = 1 parsed event when in combat, or 3 when out of combat
17:39.25TC-Workingsomeone type "/wh" what happens?
17:39.25Shirikin certain cases, there is a yield mid-parse
17:41.08__Aella>>> table
17:41.08Cide__Aella: { ["setn"] = function: 002D81A8, ["insert"] = function: 002F1EA0, ["getn"] = function: 002F1E20, ["foreachi"] = function: 002F1E00, ["maxn"] = function: 002F1E60, ["foreach"] = function: 002F1DC0, ["c... (exceeded 200 characters)
17:41.09cogwheel|work[ERROR]Ambiguous command, “whâ€, 3 commands match [who, whois, whowas].
17:41.09TC-Workingmeh...ok, thanks cog
17:41.09__AellaDoes WoW include table.foreach or table.foreachi? They're listed as deprecated.
17:41.09rophyShirik: some addons might want to be very responsive, e.g. SpellAlert type addons, in that case queueing up the messages might be inappropriate to them
17:41.09Shirikright
17:41.09ShirikI completely agree
17:41.09rophyi think
17:41.09cogwheel|work__Aella: it's a Lua thing
17:41.10cogwheel|workas long as 5.1 still includes them they should be there afaik
17:41.10Shirikbut for what I'm doing (extensive parsing of a lot of stuff, which will only be needed post-fight), this is most definitely adequate for what I want to do :)
17:41.10wereHamstercogwheel|work>, what addon is that? ([ERROR]IAmbiguous command, "wh" ...)
17:41.10ShirikI completely disagree with doing this for everything
17:41.10Shirikbut for my purpose, I like it :)
17:41.10cogwheel|workwereHamster: we're talking IRC commands :P
17:41.27wereHamsteryou have a better irc client.. mine doesn't suggest any commands :(
17:41.29Shirik__Aella: They're no longer needed
17:41.31Shirikyou have pairs()
17:41.45__AellaI know, just wondering if they were still there.
17:41.51ShirikThey probably are, but
17:41.53Shirikwell I'll check
17:42.00Thraerophy: Ah, sorry to ping you uneccesarily then. You were the ones that did the most testing on parsing, so I was curious for your opinion.
17:42.02Shirikyup it's there
17:42.03Shirikbut bad idea :P
17:42.12__AellaThey're listed on WoWWiki too.
17:42.15ThraeShirik: Sounds like it would be good for a damage-meters type addon. Are you making one?
17:42.16__AellaI'm not planning to use 'em.
17:42.23Cide>>> SavedVariables.hi = 1
17:42.23CideCide: nil
17:42.24Cide>>> SavedVariables.hi
17:42.24CideCide: 1
17:42.29Cide>>> SavedVariables.foo = getglobal
17:42.29CideCide:
17:42.33Cide>>> SavedVariables.hi
17:42.33CideCide: nil
17:42.34ShirikWhat I'm doing would imply that a damage meter would be very easily accomplished
17:42.35Cidebah
17:42.45Cide>>> SavedVariables.hi; SavedVariables.foo = getglobal
17:42.46CideCide: [string "SavedVariables.hi; SavedVariables.foo = getglobal"]:1: '=' expected near ';'
17:42.50Cide>>> SavedVariables.hi = 1; SavedVariables.foo = getglobal
17:42.50CideCide: nil
17:42.53Cide>>> SavedVariables.hi
17:42.53CideCide: nil
17:43.15Shiriklike I'm talking
17:43.21Shirikmaybe 10 lines of code will get you a damage meter
17:43.25Shirik(in addition to what I have)
17:43.30Shirikand it would be 100% accurate
17:43.44Shirikas opposed to the current damagemeters/swstats where are a guess at best
17:43.48Shiriks/where/which
17:45.41rophyShirik: how do you make a 100% accurate damagemeter?
17:45.44Shirikdo you think allowing users to enter regular expressions?
17:45.48Shirikwould be a good idea?
17:46.26Shirikrophy: By avoiding combat log range problems
17:46.26Shiriksimilar to what KTM does
17:46.26ShirikI guess you can say
17:46.27rophywhat did KTM do?
17:46.42rophyonly parse self events?
17:46.42Shirikeach person only keeps track of what they know to be true
17:46.42Shirikright
17:46.43Shirikthough that's not what I'm doing here
17:46.48Shirikbut the implications are the same
17:47.10sysragei thought sw stats did that for the people that had it installed. it only estimated for people that weren't using it
17:47.15cogwheel|workKaydeethree: you should add something about the "Load out of date AddOns" switch to your patch day FAQ...
17:47.19rophyShirik: in that case, all damagemeters should already accurate to the player's own damages, isnt it? other players are just a added bonus.
17:47.29Shirikyeah, I guess you can say that
17:47.33Shirikperhaps I exaggerated a bit
17:47.40KaydeethreeI do. it's in the "Should I use a TOC Autoupdater" section
17:47.43Shirikbut back to the original topic, no I'm not making a damage meter
17:48.04ShirikI don't know how many of you know what omniscient is?
17:48.09Shirikor is it omnicisence
17:48.18rophyThrae: dont worry, just ping me, i like it :p
17:48.19cogwheel|workI'd almost like to see it in answer to the very first question before "get updates"
17:48.21Shirikomniscience*
17:48.34cogwheel|workbecause a lot of people demand updates for perfectly functional mods
17:48.34Shirikrophy: It makes you feel special? ^^
17:48.40rophyyes!
17:50.31cogwheel|workclad|work: still waiting for that e-mail... =:P
17:50.37cogwheel|works/=:P/:P/
17:51.27rophyShirik: hey btw, i think i remember some mods does something similar to what you want (storing the combat logs and process after combat), although i cant remember the name
17:51.50rophyMinnaStats i think?
17:51.52Shirikit wouldn't surprise me
17:52.06Shirikit's not really difficult to do
17:52.16ShirikI should point out though I'm also doing more than just combat logs so
17:52.20rophyindeed
17:52.57rophyI personally think having a centralized parser would provide more gain though.
17:53.22rophythe original problem comes from the fact that every addon is parsing the same strings.
17:54.07rophyyes, it's MinnaStats: http://wow-en.curse-gaming.com/downloads/details/4825/
17:54.14rophyIt's primary aim is to track all the above with minimal cpu impact, it achieves this by caching combat log data whilst in combat, to avoid cpu issues in busy moments
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18:02.03foxlit<Shirik> I don't know how many of you know what omniscient is?
18:02.12foxlitGrants the wielder the power of impotence!
18:02.33foxlitWell, close to the chalice joke anyway
18:02.36Shirikheh
18:02.54Shirikomniscient/omniscience is essentially a 100% accurate combat log with regex functionality
18:02.58Shirikand accurate timestamps
18:03.06Shirikit's a component of RDX 6
18:03.07Shirikby Veni
18:03.18ShirikBut I'm going to one-up him ;)
18:03.28TC-Workingby not making people pay for it?
18:03.29foxlitTbh, you don't even get accurate combat log data by default
18:03.43ShirikTC-Working: well, that's one part ><
18:03.45foxlitDunno how you can fix that.
18:04.01Shirikok, 100% accurate meaning as accurate as it could posisbly be
18:06.53Seerahso, essentially omniscient ;)
18:09.15TC-Workingbah, 1 up him by having it show whats *going* to happen
18:09.21Shiriklol
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18:18.31wereHamsternow I know why the mozilla developers don't use git.. because one of its features, git-bisect, would be virtually useless because every other checkin breaks the compilation
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18:34.53Elkanocide: ping
18:35.00Osagasurawr.
18:35.48CideElkano: pong
18:36.41Thraecogwheel|work: So I guess the reason mozilla developers don't use git is because it's a git?
18:36.41Elkanocide, how did you test EBB/EBBs performance? with my notebook currently broken I haven't used 2.1 yet so I don't know how it mesures
18:36.53Cideusing Fubar_PerformanceFu
18:37.28Elkanois it possible to reset the data during a session? since my tests with Epox in 2.0 didn't look that bad :/
18:37.32Thraecogwheel|work: Ah sorry, wrong guy :D
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18:37.43ThraewereHamster: So I guess the reason mozilla developers don't use git is because it's a git?
18:37.49Esamynn~whaleslap Thrae
18:37.54purlACTION beats Thrae upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh
18:38.10ThraeThat's just me not using /lastlog first, trying to use my memory instead ;)
18:38.11Osagasu~whaleslap Osagasu
18:38.13purlACTION beats Osagasu upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh
18:38.14cogwheel|workAnyone have problems with religion solicitors? (Mormons, Jehova's Witnesses, etc.)? Just put a sticker on your door that says "Darwin loves you"
18:38.36Esamynncogwheel|work: haha
18:38.39CideElkano: it measures the current memory/cpu usage
18:38.41Cidewhich is what I used
18:38.42OsagasuI need one of those for my car.
18:38.45Thraecogwheel|work: Except then they'd be ignorant, because they oppose evolution, not necessarily natural selection ;)
18:39.07Cideso it doesn't measure stuff like ace libraries that were discarded and garbage collected
18:39.18Kaydeethreeheh. glad I live in a college town. no door-to-door religion peddlers down here in statesboro
18:39.21Elkanocide: and as a side note: EBBs isn't simply an aced EBB but a total redesign/recode and I was waiting for 2.1's profiling features to start optimizing it
18:39.37Cidethat's good :)
18:39.45Shirikhrm
18:39.52Shirikdoes that mean I have to go to some ace version of EBB now? :(
18:40.01cogwheel|workIt actually worked for me... I used to live in an apartment complex where the LDS church permanently rents a room for their missionaries so we had a new crew every couple months. They never came back after we put up that sticker ><
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18:40.55Elkanostill I wonder how to get a clue what's causing the bad values you see... Epox, which I used, simply hooks al functions in a 'namespace' in order to tell time/mem but I don't know how accurate that data is
18:42.24ShadowedWhy don't you just use the CPU function profiling for that info
18:43.54ElkanoShadowed, if you would have read what I wrote before: I used Epox in 2.0 (-> no CPU profiling by WoW) and since my notebook is currently broken I'm not able to run tests with 2.1
18:44.36Shadowedah
18:45.03ShadowedI'd imagine it's pretty accurate if they don't do it in an odd way
18:46.37foxlitCan someone post this on us forums? After deleting macros from the character-specific tab, UI switches to general tab
18:46.38ThraeShirik: So, when do you think coroutines might be appropriate?
18:46.55Thraefoxlit: That's been around since forever.
18:47.02Elkanowell, I haven't seen it myself, yet but as long as it doesn't work on a per function basis it doesn't help taht much :/
18:47.06ShirikThrae: when a time-consuming task isn't time-critical
18:47.20ThraeShirik: Yeah, but how "time-consuming" do you think/
18:47.36Shirikthat's dependent upon how often it occurs
18:47.44ThraeBah, evil shift key!
18:47.46Shirikin my case, it's not very "time-consuming" but it occurs about once every 0.1 seconds
18:47.51Shirikwhich adds up, a lot
18:48.05ThraeShirik: Wouldn't bucketing solve that though?
18:48.14ShirikI'm unfamiliar with that term
18:48.51ThraeInstead of dealing with the events every 0.1 seconds, just add them to a "bucket" (a table) and empty the bucket at a later interval.
18:48.57Shirikyup
18:49.05Shirikbut coroutines are an easy way to implement that, too
18:49.10Shiriknot entirely necessary, but possible
18:49.16ThraeHmmm, I see.
18:50.20ThraeMany visual addons do a bunch of stuff every 0.1 seconds (their refresh rate) -- do you think coroutines would be appropriate there?
18:50.42Shirikif there's nothing to split, there isn't really a reason for it
18:50.47Shirikbut if you want to divide up the action, then sure
18:51.30ThraeHmm, gotcha. I wonder if coroutines in the WoW Lua engine are actually implemented as child threads instead of just something like tail recursion.
18:51.55cogwheel|workThrae: check out the lua docs & source code
18:52.44Thraecogwheel|work: Oh I know how it is in Lua proper, but we know WoW's Lua engine has some limitations.
18:52.58ShirikThey're implemented precisely how the Lua interpreter does it, because it falls to the same bugs, too
18:52.59cogwheel|worknothing more than omitted libraries
18:53.13cogwheel|workand *added* features to support things like taint
18:53.15ThraeAh, OK
18:53.18cogwheel|workother than that, it's vanilla Lua
18:53.22Shirikyou can force an access violation in WoW with proper (improper?) use of coroutines
18:53.30ThraeHeh
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19:02.10TheCompWizcan someone tell me if it's possible to draw in the actual game window?  (not in a frame on top...)
19:02.56Shirikwhat's the difference?
19:02.56TheCompWizlike... put a sprite/button on top of toons... rather than in party portrat & such...
19:02.56Shirikand to answer your question, no
19:02.56Shirikno
19:02.56TheCompWizShirik... k.
19:03.03cogwheel|workTheCompWiz: you can mess with the nameplates, but that's about it
19:03.14TheCompWizwhat can you do with the name plates?
19:03.25cogwheel|workanchor stuff to them
19:03.34TheCompWiz... any chance for a example?
19:03.37Kaydeethreetake a look at "Nameplates Modifier" on wowi
19:03.46TheCompWizthanks Kaydeethree.
19:04.01Shirikthat's still drawing on frames
19:04.03Shirikand also you can't rely on it
19:04.06Shirikbut that's the best you can do
19:04.22TheCompWizhow "reliable" is it?
19:04.31Shirikdepends on a ton of factors
19:04.33TheCompWizwhen does it get updated/redrawn/recalculated?
19:04.43Shirikrange, whether or not the user has the nameplates on
19:04.47Shirikhow many there are
19:04.53TheCompWizk.
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19:05.01Shirik......
19:05.05ShirikI ask my tank how he died so fast
19:05.11ShirikI ask him if he got crushing blow'ed
19:05.17Shirikhe's like "wuts that"
19:05.23Shirikthat is something you never want to see
19:05.32TheCompWiz... you sure he's a "Tank"?
19:05.46TheCompWizshield-wielding fury warriors != tank.
19:05.51cogwheel|workwuts a crushing blow?
19:06.43zenzelezzpainful
19:07.20Shirikhe's 31 arms 21 fury
19:07.25Shirik25 fury*
19:08.07TheCompWizah... for some reason... "tank" sounds like prot... not "arms" or "fury"
19:08.21Shirikbetter than me being the tank >.>
19:08.22TheCompWizkick the pug!
19:08.37TheCompWiz... I'm a clothie... and I tank better than most pugs.
19:08.45Shirikwell I've been doing most of the tanking today
19:08.50TheCompWizLOL
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19:08.52TheCompWizwhat class?
19:08.55Shirikpriest >.>
19:08.59TheCompWizLOL same :)
19:09.11TheCompWizInner Fire FTW!
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19:13.48TheCompWizI still wanna make an entire raid of nuthin' but priests...  that would be sooo much fun.
19:13.55Shirikuhhh
19:13.59Shirikhave fun with that ><
19:14.03TheCompWizLOL
19:14.12Shirikconsidering on my hunter in Kara I get hit on average for about 8k
19:14.12Shirikyeah
19:14.21TheCompWizit would be easy for things like ony.... I've already tanked her.
19:14.43TheCompWizin gruul's ... getting hit for 26k sucks. ;)
19:15.08TheCompWizfine... pre BC raids...
19:15.20Shirikthen again
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19:15.24Shirikpsychic scream
19:15.28Kaydeethreetaking a HS from patch during a wipe for 30k is fun
19:15.29Shirikhrm
19:15.42Shirikbetween all the psychic screams you have
19:15.43TheCompWizpfft... everything is immune (in an instance)
19:15.45Shiriknah
19:15.47Shirikat least trash
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19:15.55TheCompWizyeah... but trash is borning.
19:16.03TheCompWizI'm exaulted with almost everything...
19:16.10Cideexhaulted*
19:16.11TheCompWizso I don't need the rep.
19:16.14TheCompWizthat too.
19:16.21IndustrialEmpowered Corruption: Your Corruption spell gains an additional 12% of your bonus spell damage effects. <-- what affects?
19:16.34Industrial+spelldamage items?
19:16.37Endyes
19:16.37Cideyes
19:16.38sysrageWOOT!
19:16.40sysrage62% raise!
19:16.45Endit changes the coefficient
19:16.50Industrialsysrage: woah grats
19:16.50Shiriki.e.,
19:16.58Shirikwarlock = overpowered more
19:17.12Industrialk
19:17.46Luminaxgah
19:17.47ShirikROFL!
19:17.52Shirikwhat a stupid tank
19:17.56LuminaxI don't know what strike me the oddest...
19:17.57Shirikhe's mad that we aren't able to kill this boss
19:18.00Luminaxthat I'm not playing WoW...
19:18.04Luminaxor that I'm playing ROSE >_>
19:18.09Shirikso he kicks everyone to invite someone else
19:18.15Shiriknot realizing that he just reset the instance by doing that
19:18.18Shirikgrats to him
19:18.22Luminaxlol gj
19:18.30Shirikanyway
19:18.30TheCompWizShirik... what instance?
19:18.33LuminaxShirik guess what
19:18.35ShirikMana tombs :P
19:18.46Luminaxgot my buy/sell tracking works ! woot
19:18.51TheCompWizthat place is nub-tastic... I don't think I've ever wiped in there.
19:18.53Shirikrats1
19:18.56Shirikgrats21
19:18.57Luminaxerrr...
19:18.57Shirikeh
19:19.00Shirikyeah
19:19.00Luminaxwhich boss was it ?
19:19.02Shirikgrats
19:19.03Shirikprince
19:19.07Luminaxah
19:19.12ShirikI mean... I've done that boss so many times successfully
19:19.13LuminaxPrince can be tricky..
19:19.25Shirikjust between the lock and the warrior they have no idea what they're doing
19:19.33Luminaxah
19:19.36Luminaxthe tank and the dps factor..
19:19.38TheCompWizanyone in here play on Moonrunner?
19:19.57Luminaxno, but I'm a Moonstrider
19:20.12TheCompWizclose... but not close enough. :)
19:20.27ShirikEredar/Drenden
19:20.58Luminaxwell no... I mean I play on Khaz Modan
19:21.02Luminaxbut my main is a Moonstrider
19:21.06TheCompWizah.
19:21.25Luminaxand I just sold Seven of Furies for 144 gold >_>
19:21.26TheCompWizI didn't even bother to look to see if there was a "Moonstrider" realm.
19:21.34TheCompWizI can't keep up with the list anymore.
19:21.42Luminaxdon't think so, no
19:21.44LuminaxSunstrider, maybe
19:21.49TheCompWizdid you see they added new crap at the dark-moon fair?
19:21.59Luminaxbut then again, there's already Kael'thas
19:22.10Luminaxuh huh that 'of Furies' is one of them
19:22.18Shirikyeah my guildie already has 2 of storms
19:22.24Shirikhe's asking me right now how much to sell it for :P
19:24.05TheCompWizstart cheap... 9999g
19:24.09TheCompWizLOL
19:25.49IndustrialI have this now for leveling, that ok? :> What do I do witht he rest? http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=AVMRikfzqtcob
19:25.59foxlithttp://img78.imageshack.us/img78/1681/auivm6.jpg , discuss UI design
19:26.04TheCompWizI know people who were selling the mana worms on the AH right after BC launched... for 250g each...
19:26.14Industrialfoxlit: needs more cowbell
19:26.34ShirikI thought most people leveled demonology
19:27.11TheCompWiznaa.... I always level destruction/affliction mix.
19:27.12Industrialreally?
19:27.33Endon my warlock I did affliction mostly
19:27.35ShirikI dunno I just... this is coming from a hunter perspective
19:27.36TheCompWizmy pet = something for trash to beat on while I don't get beat on.
19:27.41Shirikand leveling beast mastery is really easy
19:27.51foxlitIndustrial: define cowbell
19:27.55TheCompWizfor hunters... sure.
19:27.59TheCompWizMORE COWBELL!
19:28.02Industrialfoxlit: I havent looked, I was just kidding :<
19:28.03cogwheel|work~dict cowbell
19:28.14Shirik..
19:28.26Shirikpurl, thanks
19:28.26purlpas de quoi, Shirik
19:28.37Shirikpurl, tu parles francais!!
19:28.48foxlit"The Cowbell is one of the several surgical instruments used in an orchestra. It is an extremely popular instrument, despite the fact that it is extremely hard to play. Failure to operate a cowbell correctly can be fatal."
19:28.58Luminaxneed more cowbell !!
19:29.02Luminax...right
19:29.02IndustrialShirik: well your pet actually does damage :P afaik the warlock meatshield does crap damage (but torment is nice)
19:29.04Shirikwtb cowbell pst
19:29.19TheCompWizhttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=71770844627024590
19:29.37Luminaxwts cowbell don't pst
19:29.58foxlitUncyclopedia: This article needs more cowbell.
19:29.58foxlitYou can help by adding more cowbell.
19:30.09TheCompWizLOL
19:31.24Shirikwow
19:31.26foxlitWant actual suggestions based on the screenshot, though :/
19:32.19cogwheel|work"managed buffing for the masses" should probably be centered as well
19:32.41foxlitPlaceholder localization text, it typically wraps
19:32.52Luminaxone button buff cycling ?
19:33.08foxlitThat and a few other things
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19:33.50cogwheel|workMaybe make the upper class buttons as tabs for the lower panel?
19:36.01Shirikdefinitely more cowbell. Thank you TheCompWiz
19:36.02TheCompWiznp Shirik ;)
19:36.02foxlitcogwheel|work: inline tabs?
19:36.02TheCompWizglad you got a kick outa it.
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19:36.42Shirikfoxlit: Um
19:36.48ShirikI've been trying to get that SS for... about 5 minutes now
19:36.50ShirikI have yet to get it
19:36.59Shirikit's still one big blurry mess
19:37.31ShirikThe image “http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/1681/auivm6.jpg” cannot be displayed, because it contains errors.
19:37.31Shirik:(
19:38.21TheCompWizI get a 404 ;)
19:38.21Shirikfoxlit: actually I like it
19:38.45Shirikexcept you're casting salv on hunters
19:38.46Shirikwtf
19:38.49foxlitOdd, I can actually see it
19:38.56Shirikany good hunter doesn't need salv. If he does need salv, then he needs to be kicked from the raid
19:39.11foxlitI don't really care what the paladins are casting on people
19:39.15TheCompWizLOL
19:39.19ShirikI'm dead serious
19:39.26foxlitI'm just stealing data from PallyPower to showcase how buffs are displayed :)
19:39.29Shirik:P
19:39.40TheCompWizsalv never hurt anyone.  just because they can FD... dosn't mean they can't pump out a butt-load of dps first.
19:39.50TheCompWizwell... it does hurt MTs
19:39.53KasoMight/Wisdom > all imo!
19:39.55ShirikIf he can't control his aggro, he does not deserve to be in my raid
19:40.05TheCompWizagreed.
19:40.16ShirikI can deal a "butt-load of dps" but I still control it
19:40.51Shirikbut I'm just ranting
19:41.43cogwheel|workplease forgive my shoddy, very quick, horrible, MS Paint editing skills: http://ctscreens.net/7131
19:41.54Shiriklol mspaint
19:43.08foxlitIt's on Hydross, so aggro is a bit special, I suppose
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19:45.41jaegergreetings, all; having trouble finding an answer to this - is there a simple way to delete a single line from the GameTooltip and shuffle the rest of the lines up in its place or do I need to loop through them all manually to accomplish it?
19:46.10jaegerHide() will hide the line in question but there's still some space in the tooltip where it was shown
19:46.34Shirikyou can only add a line or remove all lines
19:46.47jaegerthat's what I'd found so far :( guess I'll loop and shuffle
19:46.52ShirikI mean, in theory I guess you could do some work with SetPoint() and a bunch of crap
19:46.59Shirikbut there's no good reason to do that
19:47.01jaegeraye
19:47.17jaegerthanks for the answer
19:47.24Shirik:)
19:48.14foxlitcogwheel|work: ah.
19:55.44foxlitShould probably use text rather than icons if I want to do that, but you're right, the top ruler doesn't look very tab-toggle-like
20:05.17cogwheel|workicons are fine imo... (like the right tabs of the spellbook)
20:15.35foxlitHm, wonder if I can steal that background
20:15.45foxlitAnd rotate it like 90 degrees
20:15.46TheCompWizall things can be stolen ...
20:15.53TheCompWiz(just extract the mpq)
20:16.20foxlitAddonkit already extracts art, it's more of a "can I be bothered to repurpose this"?
20:16.29foxlits/"?/?"/
20:17.08foxlitAnd some things, like the friends frame, is split in rather evil chunks
20:28.07cogwheel|workhttp://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSL2831532320070529?feedType=RSS
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20:37.09ThraeDammit, why can't Reality stay!
20:37.19Shirikit's not very good anyway
20:37.36Guillotinewhats the best way to add linkage capabilities to a text frame? (e.g. like the one in the ChatBox)
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20:38.33Guillotinetrying to figure out the best way to add linking capabilities to the Knowledge Base (for the purposes of clicking on URLs to copy them) but I'm not sure if theres an easier way than that :/
20:41.22KasoGuillotine, hook SetItemRef
20:41.34Kasothats where all the item/player/enchant links are handled
20:41.35GuillotineKaso: the problem is SetItemRef isn't called in normal text boxes
20:41.41GuillotineI know how to do it in the ChatFrame
20:41.55Guillotinethe problem is even normal item links don't work in text frames
20:41.59Kasooh
20:42.09Kasothen you need to make buttons and scatter them about
20:42.12Kasoor something
20:42.34KasoSorry i didnt understand what you were on about at first
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20:43.33Kasoim not sure how to neatly, sorry
20:44.31Cideslacker!
20:44.33foxlitOnHyper*?
20:44.34Cideerr
20:44.36Cideentirely wrong window
20:45.30Josh_BorkeCide:  gj
20:45.55CideI meant to call out our main tank
20:46.57zenzelezzI can see how you'd confused WoW and IRC
20:47.08Cidedual monitors ftl
20:47.14zenzelezznonsense
20:48.42cogwheel|workWoW doesn't give any visual indication of focus :(
20:48.55cogwheel|workI've done the same a few times myself on occasion
20:50.38sysrageX-Perl gives a focus window!
20:50.46sysrageoh.. not that focus :P
20:57.52Bleeter__sysrage: re: pet bar, thanks for replying :)
20:58.04sysragefind any fixes yet?
20:59.17Bleeteryeah, wait for combat to finish, pray that one can remember the passive key combination if needed, and /console reloadui
21:01.15Bleeterhmmm, I'm getting 'Unable to connect to realm list server'
21:01.45Bleeterhah, of course, soon as I said that.. I got the list. Can't login tho.
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21:12.12Guillotinecan FontStrings have scripts?
21:12.24Guillotinee.g. <OnHyperlinkClick>
21:12.26Josh_Borkeno
21:12.27cogwheel|workno
21:12.29cogwheel|workonly frames
21:12.49Josh_BorkeGuillotine: use a SimpleHTML frame :-P
21:13.09Guillotinedang. so it sounds like the only way to do this is to redo the Knowledge Base xml :/
21:13.32GuillotineJosh_Borke: thats the problem. I'm not making it from scratch. trying to edit the KnowledgeBase text box
21:13.38Josh_Borkeouch
21:13.56Josh_Borkewhat are you doing to it?
21:14.30Guillotinewell, my library can already manipulate most stuff in it. E.g. add categories for your addons, add questions to those categories, ect.
21:14.39Josh_Borkeoh, that's nice
21:14.41Guillotinebut I was hoping to make links easily copy+pastable
21:14.51Josh_Borkethat's something i was trying to do with GuildBook, but i got lazy
21:15.06ThraeMy library is called Congress. It's slow and doesn't do much :(
21:15.11Guillotinerofl
21:15.28Josh_Borkebb
21:15.49cogwheel|workYou say that as if a fast-acting and active congress is a good thing...
21:15.50Guillotinemy next best idea is to make a dropdown box somewhere and fill it with all the links found in the text
21:16.02Guillotineand make it copy-pastable when you click
21:19.38Bleeterno wonder I can't connect, for some reason my traceroute's going 'round in circles in .tw!
21:20.18Bleeter'course, I'd look up any similar issues on the blizz tech forums... but I can't connect long enough to get any content lol
21:20.46GuillotineBleeter: have you tried flushing dns?
21:21.02BleeterGuillotine: aye
21:21.03KaydeethreeI got in just fine a few minutes ago
21:21.16Kaydeethreeand it's weird. wow's now exiting properly for a change
21:21.20Guillotinewhoever makes the default questions for the WoW KB knows next to nothing about WoW
21:21.37GuillotineI just saw 2 questions in a row with incorrect answers -_-
21:21.50Guillotineaccording to this, you can see how many people in your faction are online by looking at your who tab. you can't
21:22.05Bleeterhmmm, might try kicking my router in the head... bbs
21:26.05ThraeWhat's the difference between the Saw movies and Mel Gibson's Passion of Christ? Answer: Saw actually had a positive message.
21:26.29cogwheel|work<3 Saw
21:27.04NeriniaSaw had a message? :)
21:27.21cogwheel|workAppreciate what you have
21:27.34ThraeNerinia: Gordon said it near the end of every movie -- Value your life, because it could so easily be taken away.
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21:28.16Tem|WorkGuillotine, actually, you can
21:28.29GuillotineTem: how?
21:28.33Guillotineother than scanning it
21:28.44Tem|Workhmm maybe not yet
21:28.57Tem|Workthe who tab is suppsed to show "49 of X"
21:29.55Bleeter_<PROTECTED>
21:31.22Bleeteron a lighter note, here's Eric Idle's NSFW response to the FCC for him saying the F word 'on air' http://youtube.com/watch?v=F4ajZ-5kTXk
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21:37.21TainDunno if this was posted at all but I just saw it today and had tears coming out of my eyes I was laughing so hard.  http://lolcode.com/
21:40.56Cairennthat's hilarious
21:41.03cogwheel|workQFT
21:41.45TainI was sitting at my desk at work trying to hold in the laughter.
21:52.54cogwheel|workEyonix is the one who got gout, right?
21:54.41cogwheel|worknm... google told me
21:54.46Guillotinegoogle knows all
21:54.53Bleeternah, Tseric
21:55.07Bleetergot gout
21:55.08Bleeteroops
21:55.14BleeterI miread that as 'got out' lol
21:55.53Bleetermisread, course
21:56.00cogwheel|workI apologize in advance for posting nonsense on the general forum, but... http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=106775782&sid=1
21:59.17Guillotinerofl Cairenn, <3 the LOLCODE
22:01.40Endcogwheel|work: did you delete your post or did a moderator?
22:01.56cogwheel|work:(
22:01.57Kasocogwheel|work deleted >.<
22:02.01cogwheel|worki've been modded
22:02.02Endowned!
22:02.03Kasowhat was it about
22:02.12Thraehttp://www.bash.org/?766450
22:02.23cogwheel|workSubject: Eyonix needs more coffee
22:02.36cogwheel|workEntire post contents:        True story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6690595.stm
22:03.39Endyou probably don't want to go there :P
22:04.21ThraeThey probably had a reason, or might have made a mistake
22:04.39cogwheel|workno, i don't blame them
22:04.45cogwheel|worki'm just playing around
22:04.59ThraeI've been a forum moderator, and the problem is, when the forum has insane traffic, eventually you just stop giving reasons after the 1000th post you delete in that day.
22:05.02cogwheel|workYou should take what I say like you would something TC-Working says
22:05.40Guillotinelol
22:05.51TC-Workingyou bastard
22:05.55TC-Workingwait..no your right
22:07.20dukeku_oh my GOD
22:07.21dukeku_OH MY GOD
22:07.21dukeku_NO
22:07.23dukeku_OH GOD PLEASE NO
22:07.27dukeku_AHHGHGHGHG
22:07.39Cairenno.O
22:08.00cogwheel|workdid someone just circumcise you?
22:09.39TC-Workingthat usualy happens at birth
22:09.50TC-Workingthough they do have a do-it-yourself kit
22:10.36cogwheel|work~wiki Marilyn Milos
22:10.41dukeku_~cogwheel
22:10.53purl[cogwheel] actualy another advanced chat bot that automatically responds when you put anything that follows WoW macro syntax in chat.
22:10.53cogwheel|work^ my grandma
22:13.46TC-Workinghe saw a picture of cogwheel
22:14.43cogwheel|workhttp://www.redio.net/hcts/pics/cogwheel_bw.jpg
22:14.44Guillotinecogwheel: now look what you did. you pinged him and woke up the beast
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22:15.15cogwheel|work>>> "test"
22:15.19Cide-cogwheel|work: "test"
22:15.53Cide-stupid internet connection
22:16.06*** mode/#wowi-lounge [+v Cide] by ChanServ
22:16.32Guillotinewhats the best way to perform a function on all substrings of a string matching a certain pattern?
22:16.45Guillotineas in the substrings match the pattern
22:16.51cogwheel|workgmatch iirc
22:17.03cladhaireaye
22:17.08cladhairefor token in
22:17.31cladhaire>>> for token in ("some long string"):gmatch("[^%s]+") do print(token) end
22:17.32Cidecladhaire: "some",  "long",  "string"
22:17.32Guillotinealright, ty. wasn't sure if that was the best way
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22:22.09Bleeterheh, seems worldofwarcraft.com is dead to large chunks of .au today
22:22.37Bleeterhttp://www.iinet.net.au/status/faultinfo/57005.html
22:22.47Bleeterthat's an ISP who in no way is connected to my ISP
22:22.54Bleeterso... it seems rather widespread
22:23.16zenzelezzI find it funny how they say they've "raised a ticket"
22:23.33zenzelezzsome player is bound to say "delete your WTF folder and reboot"
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22:26.19zenzelezzI must say, it's been a while since I saw a website using (what appears to be) Comic Sans MS
22:29.38Mr_Rabiesone of the forums i frequent uses it in its stylesheet for a subforum :O
22:29.56Bleetermatter of curiosity, did blizz change some routing last night?
22:30.28BleeterMr_Rabies: http://youtube.com/watch?v=F4ajZ-5kTXk
22:30.39Bleeter(nsfw, but somehow I don't think you care ;-)
22:30.40GuillotineBleeter: yup. there was a post about it somewhere
22:31.15Shirikso, lootlink or something is totally screwing with my links
22:31.17Shirikcheck this out
22:31.18Bleeterheh, so, my *guess* would be that Optus had some hard routes in to speed things up, and Blizz didn't tell their ISP, or their ISP didn't tell Optus
22:31.23Bleeterand .au is now screwed
22:31.37zenzelezzi can has network!
22:31.43Mr_Rabiesah man
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22:31.51zenzelezzstupid 2.4 kernel wouldn't recognize my 8169SC
22:32.03foxlitSo, um.
22:32.07Mr_RabiesEric Idle is awesome
22:32.07foxlitProfessions links are messed up
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22:32.18Bleeter2.4 kernel?!
22:32.28zenzelezzSlackware 11 comes with 2.4 by default
22:32.37foxlitSeeing a link for [Tailoring: Girdle of Ruination], belt with +35 Healing and 7 Mana per 5 sec. head enchant on :/
22:32.38BleeterSLACKWARE!
22:32.42zenzelezzI wanted to get it up on the network so I could download the 2.6 kernel
22:32.50zenzelezzhad to copy it by CD eventually
22:32.51Shirikfoxlit: That's like what I'm looking at right now
22:32.52Shirikcheck this
22:33.08Shirikhttp://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowgemah3.jpg
22:33.19Mr_RabiesI just got back from a LAN party, first one in about a year :O
22:33.53Mr_Rabiesdid i miss anything important since...friday :O
22:34.28Bleeteronly us.... and boy, did we miss you too ;) :P
22:34.38foxlitInteresting
22:34.52foxlitI'm being told that other guildmates see different enchants for the same item
22:34.57zenzelezzMr_Rabies: you were gone?
22:35.38Mr_Rabieswell, i was in irc, but i was too busy getting my ass kicked in starcraft to pay attention to much else
22:36.11Guillotinewhich is more efficient? assert(loadstring(string)) or RunScript(string)?
22:36.15zenzelezzI was being funny
22:36.29Mr_Rabiesi know :p
22:36.36foxlitShirik: http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/668/ruinnn3.jpg
22:36.54foxlitGuillotine: they do different things?
22:37.00Mr_Rabiesi'm not very good at responding to fake meanness though, but i'm pretty good at dishing it out :x
22:37.04foxlitloadstring creates a function with the code you provided.
22:37.09foxlitRunScript downright executes it in global context
22:37.12zenzelezz"*FIXME* Explain more in detail how CVS, releases, development works" -- I don't think this website's update was quite ready to go public
22:37.22Guillotinefoxlit: no, they do the same thing. But I'm wondering if one runs through some lua stuff and one is directly through WoW hence making one more efficient
22:38.05Mr_Rabieswhat website, zenz?
22:38.06Guillotinewith just loadstring, you are correct that they do different things. but with assert(loadstring(string)) it does the same
22:38.51foxlitassert(func) would not run func
22:39.02foxlitI think
22:39.36foxlitIt would merely check that it's non false/nil?
22:40.05foxlitSo the difference is "validate that this code is valid" vs. "run this code if it works, throw errors otherwise"
22:41.39foxlitDoes the silence imply that I'm so horribly misguided that people have no idea what to say? :)
22:42.45Guillotineno, just implies I'm working on something >.>
22:42.50Guillotinetry doing it in-game. it works ;)
22:43.13Endisn't it usually assert(loadstring(string))()?
22:43.37Cideif you want to play it safe, yes
22:43.41Shirikeh
22:43.41Guillotine>>> assert(loadstring("print(\"See, it works\")")
22:43.41CideGuillotine: [string "assert(loadstring("print(\"See, it works\")")"]:1: ')' expected near '<eof>'
22:43.44ShirikI don't see why that's any more "safe"
22:43.51Guillotinewhoops, forgot a )
22:43.51Cidewell, not safe
22:43.53Guillotine>>> assert(loadstring("print(\"See, it works\")"))
22:43.54CideGuillotine: function: 002FA978
22:43.55Cidebut you get a better error message
22:43.57Shirikyou're going to get an error either way
22:44.00Cide>>> loadstring("a a")()
22:44.00CideCide: [string "loadstring("a a")()"]:1: attempt to call a nil value
22:44.05Cide>>> assert(loadstring("a a"))()
22:44.05CideCide: [string "assert(loadstring("a a"))()"]:1: [string "a a"]:1: '=' expected near 'a'
22:44.06Shirik"assertation failed" over "attempt to call a nil function"
22:44.11Cidenope
22:44.12Cidesee that
22:44.16foxlit>>> RunScript(
22:44.16Cidefoxlit: [string "RunScript("]:1: unexpected symbol near '<eof>'
22:44.17Shirikoh
22:44.17Shirikhm
22:44.18foxlit>>> RunScript(
22:44.18Cidefoxlit: [string "RunScript("]:1: unexpected symbol near '<eof>'
22:44.23foxlitdamnit, mirc
22:44.25Shirikwhy?
22:44.26Cide>>> assert(false, "error message")
22:44.26CideCide: [string "assert(false, "error message")"]:1: error message
22:44.34foxlit>>> RunScript("print 5;")
22:44.34Shirikah
22:44.34Cidefoxlit: [string "RunScript("print 5;")"]:1: attempt to call global 'RunScript' (a nil value)
22:44.38ShirikI didn't realize assert does that
22:45.09foxlit>>> assert(loadstring("print 5;"))
22:45.10Cidefoxlit: [string "assert(loadstring("print 5;"))"]:1: [string "print 5;"]:1: '=' expected near '5'
22:45.16foxlit>>> assert(loadstring("print(5);"))
22:45.16Cidefoxlit: function: 0016A408
22:45.21foxlitpoint is, doesn't run it
22:45.25foxlitRunScript would :)
22:45.37ShirikCide can I make a request ><
22:45.43ShirikSV = SavedVariables
22:45.49ShirikSavedVariables is so long ><
22:45.51Guillotine>>> assert(loadstring("print(\"See, it works\")"))()
22:45.52CideGuillotine: "See, it works"
22:45.59foxlitYou're appending () :)
22:46.08Guillotineya, meant to put that earlier >< forgot
22:46.09foxlit>>> assert(loadstring("print(\"See, it works\")" 5))()
22:46.09Cidefoxlit: [string "assert(loadstring("print(\"See, it works\")" 5))()"]:1: ')' expected near '5'
22:46.10Shirikpsh
22:46.14Shirikwhy all the escaping of characters
22:46.15Shirikjeesh
22:46.23GuillotineI know, I could just use [[]]
22:46.24foxlit>>> assert(loadstring("print(\"See, it works\") 5"))()
22:46.24Cidefoxlit: [string "assert(loadstring("print(\"See, it works\")..."]:1: [string "print("See, it works") 5"]:1: unexpected symbol near '5'
22:46.27Guillotinethats what I actually use in my addons
22:46.29Shirik>>> assert(loadstring[[print("See, this works too")]])()
22:46.30CideShirik: "See, this works too"
22:46.45foxlitassert(loadstring[[print("See, this works too" 5)]])()
22:46.53foxlitAssert error, or nil call error?
22:46.57foxlit>>> assert(loadstring[[print("See, this works too" 5)]])()
22:46.57Cidefoxlit: [string "assert(loadstring[[print("See, this works t..."]:1: [string "print("See, this works too" 5)"]:1: ')' expected near '5'
22:46.59Shirikor no >>>
22:47.15Shirik>>> assert()
22:47.15CideShirik: [string "assert()"]:1: bad argument #1 to 'assert' (value expected)
22:47.19Shirikhm
22:47.20foxlitlooks like a loadstring error
22:47.21Shirik:)
22:47.23Shiriktake care
22:47.29foxlit>>> loadstring[[print("See, this works too" 5)]])
22:47.29Cidefoxlit: [string "loadstring[[print("See, this works too" 5)]])"]:1: unexpected symbol near ')'
22:49.56Nerinia>>> function a() print("foo") end b=a b=loadstring("print('bar')") a()
22:49.57CideNerinia: "foo"
22:50.37zenzelezzthink we just had a server-first Kael'thas kill
22:50.59zenzelezzinteresting NPC spam in Shattrath
22:51.28[dRaCo]that's kinda fast.
22:51.55CideShirik|Fooding: cry more :P (re: SV)
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22:59.38Guillotinequestion: How would you increase the width of a dropdown? the normal :SetWidth doesn't seem to work with it
23:00.35foxlitThe menu or the button?
23:00.35Cidethere's a function for it
23:00.40CideUIDropDownMenu_SetWidth
23:03.27foxlit>>> math.fmod
23:03.28Cidefoxlit: function: 00209920
23:04.42foxlit>>> i, t = 0, os.time(); while 1 do if os.time()-t >= 4 then break; end b = math.mod(234933,239); i = i + 1; end print(i)
23:04.42Cidefoxlit: [string "i, t = 0, os.time(); while 1 do if os.time(..."]:1: attempt to call field 'mod' (a nil value)
23:04.48foxlit>>> i, t = 0, os.time(); while 1 do if os.time()-t >= 4 then break; end b = math.fmod(234933,239); i = i + 1; end print(i)
23:04.52Cidefoxlit: 2743265
23:05.02foxlit>>> i, t = 0, os.time(); while 1 do if os.time()-t >= 4 then break; end b = 234933 % 239; i = i + 1; end print(i)
23:05.06Cidefoxlit: 2987293
23:05.14foxlit>>> i, t = 0, os.time(); while 1 do if os.time()-t >= 4 then break; end b = 234933 % 239; i = i + 1; end print(i)
23:05.18Cidefoxlit: 3228972
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23:11.26Shirik|Fooding18:52:41 ‹+Cide› Shirik|Fooding: cry more :P (re: SV)
23:11.29Shirik|Fooding:(
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23:17.18Cide>>> SV
23:17.18CideCide: { ["ratingtopoints"] = function: 001696F8, ["pointstorating"] = function: 00169718 } (#1)
23:17.21Cidehappy?!
23:17.34Shirik<3 <3
23:20.27Bleeter'a network designed to withstand nuclear attack is not necessarily ideal for day to day business operations'
23:20.48Bleeteror... similar, at least
23:21.36Bleetercan't even post the traceroute and local .au network info foo to blizz's forum.
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23:25.13KarlThePaganBleeter, doesn't help that more and more isp's are blocking icmp from outside their core
23:26.02ThraeKarlThePagan: Think you mean icmp type 8 (ping) specifically, as icmp packets are used for a variety of services that may fail if not let through.
23:26.24KarlThePaganwell yes...
23:26.26ThraeYou can do a TCP ping anyway.
23:36.41BleeterKarlThePagan: not to mention other ISP's won't let you view their network status unless you login to their website (ie, can't check other national carriers' status)
23:40.09Bleeterholy cow, batman, I think I got my tech support forum post through.. only took around 45 mins, and several dozen post attempts
23:40.51zenzelezzwe are tech support, persistence is futile
23:44.03Bleeterwhat on FUCK.... 'grapevine' is a censored word on the forums!
23:44.56Bleeteroh, I see... d'oh.
23:45.00Bleeterclearly, I need more coffee
23:45.06zenzelezz"rape" perhaps? Don't know how the censoring works
23:46.07Bleeteryup, they're the killer letters
23:46.26Bleeterseems to be a straight pattern match, with no exception list whatsoever
23:46.40ThraeI like g&^%$s...Dammit!
23:47.01BleeterThrae: red or green g$*&!s?
23:47.44ThraeOh, I like to wait until they're just ripe, but still young 'n tender. That's the best kind of g&^%$.
23:47.48Bleeterugh, typo in my post. I'm not gunna fight the forum for another hour merely to correct one letter
23:48.42BleeterThrae: that'd be virgin g#@%^s then, I guess
23:50.46Guillotinealright, for some reason my UIDropDownMenu_Initialize is never loading when I click the button o.O
23:51.09Guillotineafaict, I did it the exact same way as the KB frame, but its not working ><
23:51.48Temugh
23:51.50Temso annoying
23:51.53Temwowhead is down atm
23:52.03Temand thottbot's and alla's search is useless
23:52.06Guillotinehttp://guillotine.pastey.net/44958 is the code if anyone wants to look at it quickly
23:53.05Guillotinebasically, HelpLib.LinkDropDown_Initialize is never being called
23:54.53TemDoes anyone remember the name of the green trinket from an early TBC quest that has an activated ability similar to ToEP but it also has +30 stam on it?
23:55.32Guillotinethere isn't one with 30 stam. it has +spell crit
23:55.48Guillotineoh wait, green? I'm thinking of a different one then
23:55.50Guillotine*shrug*
23:56.40Temit was like "start of the ____ "
23:56.46Tems/start/star/
23:57.35TemI can't find it on thott or alla
23:58.16sysrageWOOT! sraidframes showing my buff timers now <3

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