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00:00.01cladhaireits pretty easy
00:00.48Shadowedyeah just trying to scan through the code to figure out how it works
00:01.18cladhairehttp://dongle.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/Dongle.lua
00:01.25cladhaireDongle:RegisterMessage()
00:01.34cladhairethe whole system is right there, just 35 lines or so
00:03.23ShadowedSo how it works basically is you call DongleStub:New in the main addons code, and in the library. In the addon you register for a message, and in the library you fire the event?
00:03.44cladhairewell, just for terminology's sake, they're all messages =)
00:03.48cladhaireto differentiate from events :P
00:03.53JoshBorkeZOMG! 35 LINES!?  How can it do ANYTHING?!
00:03.54Shadowedalright :p
00:04.07JoshBorke:-P
00:04.12cladhairebut yes, you make a new dongle object, and then you can register or trigger messages from any dongle to all other dongles
00:04.31ShadowedAnd you basically just include a Dongle.lua in the addon folder and call it from the TOC, if I understand the wiki right?
00:04.35cladhairefor your case, its probably a good idea to have the "registration" be in your library itself.
00:04.52cladhaireShadowed: Correct, you just should always embed a specific tag, so you know teh API won't change
00:04.54cladhairetrunk is not stable =)
00:04.56cladhaireonly tags are
00:05.18ShadowedWhy do you say it's a good idea for registration to happen in the library over the main addon?
00:05.34cladhairebecause, if you choose Ace people won't use it, if you use Dongle, people won't use it.
00:05.37cladhairejust being realistic.
00:05.38cladhaire=)
00:05.47cladhairethe code should be small enough that it can be handled quite easily on your own
00:05.58cladhairesince with both Ace and Dongle.. the consuming addon would have to be Ace, or Dongle
00:06.29JoshBorkecladhaire's right
00:06.36cladhairei'm always right
00:06.41cladhaireotherwise i keep my mouth shut =)
00:06.42JoshBorkewell
00:06.50JoshBorkeyou remember that one time you were wrong?
00:06.52TC-blorbsays you
00:06.53JoshBorkeboy were you REALLY wrong
00:06.55cladhaireno, it never happened!
00:06.59cladhairelies!
00:07.10ShadowedWell I haven't actually made an addon that uses a format like MyAddOn:FooBar, and was hoping to be able to use Dongle for other stuff like some configuration or defaults.
00:07.21cladhaireShadowed: feel free =)
00:07.34cladhaireShadowed: I'm just suggesting :P
00:07.36Shadowedahh
00:07.52Shadowedscrew them if they hate the library, they'll never be happy anyway
00:08.00JoshBorkei'm never happy :-(
00:08.01JoshBorke:'(
00:08.42ShadowedI see in Clique you use assert at the top, why do you do that? It seems wasted since you're using the Dongle.lua in Clique and you'd know it's updated anyway
00:09.10cladhaireShadowed: That was solely for the non-beta to beta transition
00:09.17cladhairesince in ALpha, we broke compatability all over the place
00:09.20cladhairebut beta won't break
00:09.22Shadowedahhhh i see
00:09.32cladhairejust to work out some weird issues
00:09.33cladhaire=)
00:09.41cladhairemore for my own benefit than any actual reason
00:09.46Shadowedhehe
00:09.58JoshBorkeit was cause clad knew he'd be wrong
00:10.04JoshBorkeso he put in a failsafe
00:10.10cladhaireJoshBorke: If so, i covered my ass =)
00:11.54Shadowedlast thing I can think of for now is, why does Clique use DoggleStub:New( "Clique", Clique ) when the wiki says Clique = DoggleStub:New( "Clique" );
00:12.05ShadowedIs that because you define Locals in the Clique table above?
00:12.21cladhairewell if the wiki says that, it woul dbe wrong.
00:12.30ShadowedI'm looking at http://www.wowwiki.com/Dongle/Core_API
00:12.46cladhaireokay
00:13.11cladhaire:new() takes either a name, or a name and an object
00:13.21cladhaireits just a leftover from a non-dongle clique
00:13.39cladhaireperfectraid was dongle to begin with.. clique was non-library before i finished dongle.
00:14.19Shadowedahh I see
00:14.23Shadowedalright thanks for the help
00:14.26cladhaireno problem
00:14.31JoshBorkeooo, nother question!  is it possible to get highlighting in Praid 2.0?
00:14.37JoshBorkeala perfectraid 1.0
00:14.40cladhairefeel free to join the irc channel or google group
00:14.46cladhaireJoshBorke: get me a texture, and sure =)
00:14.57cladhaireor rather, a pretty texture
00:15.02JoshBorkei was quite fond of the previous texture myself
00:15.02cladhairepraid needs some prettifying
00:15.03Shadowedthe blizzard one is pretty :p
00:15.14cladhairei'm trying to bug people to help, but no one's picked up
00:15.29JoshBorkei personally like it's aesthetics
00:15.33Shadowedframe work is the devil
00:15.43cladhaireJosh_Borke: It just needs some touches
00:15.58cladhairenhothing huge
00:16.14JoshBorkeShadowed: qft
00:17.34ShadowedMaking raid frames that could switch between something that looks like perfectraid and blizzards was fun
00:17.47cladhaireShadowed: I've asked Blizzard for what I need to make that happen
00:18.17ShadowedWhat do you need thats not provided in RaidUI?
00:18.30JoshBorkeooo, i need to look for pet info
00:18.54cladhaireShadowed: The custom configuration code is never called.
00:19.00Shadowedahh
00:19.13cladhairei've submitted a path 2-3 times =)
00:19.19cladhairejust waiting for slouken to give it the thumbs up
00:19.20KolthIs there a good Ace mod that does vertical buffs with long names and long time?
00:19.44Shadowedfirst thing I noticed looking through your code is you don't use semi-colons :p
00:19.53Shadowedtook a few minutes to try and figure out what looked weird
00:19.54cladhaireShadowed: it reminds me i'm not in C
00:20.32cladhaireplus they're not necessary, heh
00:21.23ShadowedYeah, just used to always using them or seeing others was trying to figure out why something looked missing
00:21.31cladhairehehe
00:21.46Corrodiassometimes i do. sometimes i don't.
00:21.47cladhairei do have some weird conventions, but they're standard across all my code
00:21.49Corrodiasi do it just to confuse you.
00:27.12Mr_Rabies2honk honk
00:27.22JoshBorkeoink oink
00:27.42JoshBorkei have started making all my file locals start with _
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01:01.20Temcladhaire, there's actually a time when you do need semicolons
01:01.35cladhaireaye
01:01.37cladhairerarely tho
01:01.39Temthough in most cases, you can just swap a line or two around and end up not needing them
01:01.42TemI ran into it once
01:01.49cladhairei was just saying when they are optional
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01:02.10Mr_Rabies2fear for your life
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01:21.25Nom-omg lol
01:21.42Nom-One of the raid charters in our guild just finished the Wizard of Oz encounter
01:21.48Nom-http://www.thottbot.com/?i=Ruby%20Slippers
01:21.57Nom-Nest lewt ever
01:22.00Nom-*Best
01:22.25Nom-Pity it's a shared cooldown :(
01:22.46Nom-ooo instant cast
01:22.47Nom-ok that's cool
01:23.49KolthSo awesome.
01:27.23Mr_Rabies2http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/7489/cat2ao1.jpg
01:27.30Mr_Rabies2arghhhhhh
01:39.02Nom-you got pwned
01:39.35cladhairewe're trying to finish that event right now
01:40.53Nom-i dont know how anyone can play without a hud these days lol
01:41.18XuerianI couldn't adjust to a hud. :p
01:41.30XuerianThough my player/target/pet are all right below my arse
01:41.49Nom-yeah, at the very least i need that
01:41.53Cairennditto
01:42.06Cairennmy unit frames are all bottom center, between my chat windows
01:42.16Nom-yeah, that's not too bad
01:42.26Nom-I just hate looking at the top of the screen for anything
01:42.30Cairennthat's the way I've set up my screen since EQ days
01:42.52Nom-I really want to have something with the unit frames near the bottom too, but i can never get it looking the way i want
01:43.04Nom-I need a widescreen display...that's the problem
01:47.07Nom-I think I need to take the plunge to using PCUF
01:47.22Nom-I love my X-Perl Unit Frames, but it's not quite what i'm after as a healing class now :(
01:47.26TainAh wow Blizzard finally filed charges against.. ah one of the bot software makers.
01:47.53Nom-SRSLY, Tain ?
01:48.41MentalPowerWoot! I survived the Java Midterm!
01:49.09TainCongratulations!
01:49.28XuerianTain: Oh? Do spill the juicy drama
01:50.19Cairenndid they really?
01:50.52TainThe only place I see it is on the bot software's website, but they have a PDF of the documents submitted to court on Feb 16
01:51.16Cairennyou're allowed to say wowglider, you know :p
01:51.23Cairennsince I'm presuming that's who it is
01:51.52TainI don't want to give  people ideas!  But it's a lot of documentation.  http://www.wowglider.com/Legal/Feb%5F16%5F2007/
01:52.31TainThe funniest part to me is Blizzard/Vivendi is asking for ownership of the domain.
01:53.53XuerianMakes sense to me.
01:54.36Nom-hah
01:55.03Nom-Slashdot article...some people installed a mock speed camera ourside their house and caught a cop speeding
01:55.10Nom-They're being charged with stalking
01:55.26Xuerianrofl.
01:56.05Nom-http://www.daily-tribune.com/NF/omf/daily_tribune/news_story.html?rkey=0041549+cr=
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02:06.07Nom-ooo
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02:06.13Nom-Deuce UI looks rather sexy
02:06.19Nom-Going to give that a try when I get home I think
02:19.23TainAlso, my kitchen got a workout today.  http://crushingdreams.com/images/steak.jpg and http://crushingdreams.com/images/cookies.jpg
02:24.01TC-blorb~moo
02:24.03purlmooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/moo/ and http://www.riddleme.com/html/cow2.html
02:24.27TC-blorbyou took pics of your cooking/baking?
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02:27.34KasoIm more concerned that you're having what appears to be rice with steak
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02:38.07TainThat was some damn tasty rice, let me tell you.
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03:25.34Mike-N-GoHello, fellow AFKers.
03:27.17mahirohello:D
03:28.04mahirodo you know how to use RegisterUnitWatch(frameObject)?
03:30.42JoshBorkeCairenn: you here?
03:30.43JoshBorkehi
03:30.53Cairennpurl, hug JoshBorke
03:30.55purlACTION hugs JoshBorke
03:30.58JoshBorkepurl hug Cairenn
03:30.59purlACTION jumps into Cairenn's lap and huggles and *hugs* Cairenn
03:31.02Cairennhehehe
03:31.12Cairennwhat can I do you out of, I mean do for you, JoshBorke?
03:31.20JoshBorkeCairenn: a mod recently updated (http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5467-Outfitter.html) is in the Outdated Mods category
03:31.21Irielmahiro: You call it with a frame object, it uses that object's "unit" attribute to know which unit to monitor
03:31.52JoshBorkeCairenn: that something teh author will have to Pm you about?
03:31.53Irielmahiro: And then it either shows/hides that frame, or it sets an attribute on it, when the unit's existence changes
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03:32.29CairennJoshBorke: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=8424 read the 2nd half, figure out where it was and whether or not the author has done anything about it ;)
03:32.57JoshBorkelol, i see
03:33.08JoshBorkei guess he just doesn't care then
03:33.09Cairennit isn't the only one there
03:33.12Cairennindeed
03:33.26JoshBorkeyea, looks like all of his mods are like that
03:34.03Cairennalthough I have been trying to keep an eye on the category and moving mods that get updated after I made that post
03:34.12Cairennjust haven't done so in the last couple days
03:35.14mahiroiriel: i think i messed something up, i have a frame and a secure button as child of that frame, is that button the object or do i misunderstand something?
03:35.55Irielyou can use either the button or the frame, you have to have the 'unit' attribute set on the frame you pick
03:36.13IrielButtons have a bad habit of controlling their own visibility so I'd recommend you use the parent
03:37.35Nom-Anyone listen to Nova in Perth, WA?
03:38.07Nom-They've got such a naughty ad for the "World's Greatest Shave"
03:38.40mahiroiriel: hmm i have set the unit attribute on the button only, do i have to set it on the frame to?
03:39.55Nom-btw, does anyone know how the incremental garbage collection is supposed to improve the addon memory usage, or doesn't it?
03:40.21Nom-It doesn't seem to matter how big you throw the memory cap, you always hit it eventually and have to wait a few seconds for gc
03:43.17cladhaireNom-: You should read my post
03:43.22cladhaireit details everything, quite extensively
03:43.35cladhairehttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=75469222&postId=752225815&sid=1#0
03:43.36Nom-*searches*
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03:43.54Nom-YAY Horde Druid
03:43.54Nom-<3
03:43.55cladhaireif you find something not covered, let me know
03:43.56cladhaire=)
03:44.41Irielmahiro: yes
03:45.10mahiroiriel: thx i try that^^
03:45.41mahiroiriel: but i cant use SecureUnitButtonTemplate on a frame can i?
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03:46.09Nom-hah
03:46.17Nom-well it doesn't work that well unfortunately :(
03:46.23cladhaireNom-: .. did you read the whole thread
03:46.29Nom-*hopefully* the new RAM I've just bought will improve it
03:46.38cladhairespecifically the part where I say the current tuning makes it less effective than the old method
03:46.40Nom-ooooooo
03:46.45cladhaireand it tells you specifically how to fix it?
03:46.47Nom-I assumed it was one post lol
03:46.52cladhaire.. uhh no
03:47.02cladhairemy inital post is three posts.
03:47.10cladhairethen there is further conversation
03:47.59cladhaire've seen lots of people who are seeing MORE freezes with 2.0.1
03:48.06cladhaireerr "I've seen lots of people who are seeing MORE freezes with 2.0.1"
03:48.16TainThe important thing is there was a new Heroes tonight.
03:48.20cladhairethat should give you what you need
03:48.29cladhaireTain: zomg gonna go watch it now.
03:48.36TainIt was good.
03:48.46TainThere were two fairly insano moments.
03:49.00cladhairespanish for "the insane?"
03:49.28Nom-ahhh
03:49.40Nom-those those insanely long breaks are that pause thing
03:49.47cladhaireno
03:49.55cladhairedepending on what you mean by long breaks
03:50.07Nom-game completely freezes for anywhere from 1 to 30 seconds
03:50.10cladhairebut any observable break is a full gc, nothing to do with the pause
03:50.10cladhaireno
03:50.12cladhairethats a full GC
03:50.16Nom-It's not so bad since I wiped all my addons and re-did the UI
03:50.19cladhaireanswer, raise your memory limit (or put it to 0)
03:50.24cladhaireand run slouken's script.
03:50.28cladhaireeach time you login
03:50.33cladhaireand you'll have close to 2.1.0 behavior.
03:50.34Nom-Yeah, what I mean is the pause thing isn't doing enough before i hit the memory cap
03:50.48cladhairemeh, not entirely but the result is the same.
03:50.52Nom-hmm 0 sounds like a plan :)
03:51.17cladhairewell, do 0 and the script imo
03:52.05Nom-I run garbagefu and manually GC when i think it's getting too high anwyay
03:52.10Nom-so having no cap won't really affect me much
03:52.18Nom-And it's not like I don't have enough system memory
03:52.48cladhaireyou should still do it
03:52.53cladhaireto get your behavior close to 2.1.0
03:53.00cladhaireand get your hands around everything
03:53.01cladhaire*shrug*
03:53.05cladhairemanually GCing kinda sucks
03:53.12clad|sleepnight all
03:53.21Nom-not really, i just hit it when i'm flying between towns etc
03:53.26Nom-I'll change the cap to 0
03:53.32Nom-sounds like a plan to me :)
03:54.23Esamynnclad|sleep: pong
04:00.33Cairennnight clad|sleep, sweet dreams
04:02.12mahirohmm when i use RegisterUnitWatch(HP_TARGET_FRAME); the frame never shows:/
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04:03.11mahiroi dont get this secure frame thing, i think im too stupid for it:/
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04:04.39mahirocan someone help me out with that target changing thing?
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04:11.01mahirocan someone take a look at that and tell me what im doing wrong with the unit chaning thing? http://pastey.net/6888 thx
04:13.03Karrionmahiro: you're setting the "unit1" attribute, I'm not sure whether RegisterUnitWatch() will work with that, you might need to set "unit" instead/as well
04:13.22IrielYou need to set 'unit', yes.
04:13.26IrielIt wont look at 'unit1'
04:13.48mahiroaha then what is unit1 used for?
04:14.02KarrionAlso in your HP_Target_Button you're inheriting SecureUnitButtonTemplate, then overriding OnMouseDown and OnMouseUp, I don't think that will work
04:15.03Nom-Anyone got a link with all the chat variables documented?
04:15.07Nom-Like %T = target name
04:15.30KarrionI believe 'unit1' is "'unit', for left mouse button only"
04:16.14mahiroso thats only needed if you wannt to use leftmouse only?
04:16.25Karrionbut since changing existence is unrelated to the button, you can't use that
04:16.42Karrionyeah it's for having left and right buttons do different things
04:17.44mahirook
04:18.39mahiroso that unit1 could be the problem that the bar doesent show at all?
04:19.24mahiroohh seems to be so:D
04:19.39mahironow lets test if this works in combat^^
04:20.50Cairennquick, before he locks it again! http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8644
04:22.56mahiroyay that works perfectly, thx a lot for you help:D
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04:38.23mjgoossenI have 145 Mods..
04:38.31mjgoossenIt takes like forever to load..
04:39.24ckknightHordeside, what would be the "best" race for a Warrior?
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04:57.56TC-blorbPvP or non-PvP?
04:58.30mahirotauren warrior because of the sta boni
04:58.54haste(PvE)
04:59.21TC-blorbhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Starting_a_Warrior
04:59.27TC-blorbis s good place to look at
04:59.38TC-blorbs/s g/a g
04:59.45TC-blorb....trailing bloody slash
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05:24.31mahirohmm got an other problem with the secure frames, if i try to hide a frame on a condition the frame flashes:/ how can i fix that?
05:27.25sylvanaari dislike how changing the text in the chatframe editbox taints it thus hindering my  making tabcomplete functionality for macros. in game help text in that knowledge base would have been nice
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05:30.41TierrieHey I have a bug where if I switch targets to myself, my targettarget is actually my last target instead of "player" like it should be
05:31.58sylvanaarthats funny
05:34.08hasteyou might want to give some more information, like what unit frames you get the problem with :)
05:35.28Tierrieits not a problem related to unitframes, I registered "PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED" and when that changed I checked what targettarget is and its my last target
05:35.33Tierrienot my current target
05:37.10Tierrieif event == "PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED" then self:print( UnitName("targettarget")); do ==> me!
05:39.15Nom-I've noticed that targettarget takes a little while to cascade
05:39.24Tierrieyeah i noticed that too
05:39.32Tierriebut i resolved it in my previous iteration though a very very nasty hack
05:39.39Nom-lol
05:39.43Tierrievery very nasty :P
05:39.59Nom-Nasty hacks make the internet work
05:40.07Tierriehaha
05:40.08Tierrietruf
05:40.09Nom-Read: Microsoft
05:40.16Tierriebut i want to not do it that way this time
05:40.25Tierrieget shit done right
05:40.36Tierrieits ok I think one of the others will know, I'll ask tomorrow
05:40.49Nom-Have a look at how X-Perl Unit Frames handles it maybe?
05:41.13Nom-Or any other unit frames mod that handles targettarget, and even targettargettarget
05:41.45Tierriei wonder if it is polling or event triggered
05:42.26Tierriedo you use X-Perl Nom?
05:44.23Nom-Yah
05:44.35Nom-Well, I did...I've just disabled it to try an addon pack I got today :)
05:44.42Nom-I've not tried it yet, i'm at work for another 2.5 hours
05:45.07hasteunit frames use the UnitWatch function in the Blizz UI
05:47.23TierrieUnitWatch?
05:48.46hastehttp://wdn.wowinterface.com/code/2066337/FrameXML/UnitWatch.lua
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05:52.30Nom-from what i can see, it seems to register TARGET_CHANGED on the target frame
05:52.33Nom-I may be wrong though
05:53.37Tierrieyou mean UNIT_TARGET?
05:53.43Tierriethat seems to be what X-Perl is doing
05:55.48Nom-hmm *shrug* i dunno :)
06:04.11Mike-N-Go"shat | sh at| past and past participle of shit ."
06:05.00Cairennyour word of the day Mike-N-Go?
06:05.49Mike-N-GoJust find it funny how people mis-abv. (why is it a long word for abv.?) the new cities name.
06:05.58Cairennah
06:06.16CairennI abbreviate it Shath
06:06.31Mike-N-GoThe profane filters must have gone insane =P
06:07.23Cairennnaw, most folks wouldn't pick that up, everyone uses shit as both present and past tense these days
06:07.50Mike-N-GoNot many are as intellectual as us here.
06:08.47Mr_Rabies2i call it shatt:O
06:09.09Mr_Rabies2what's the buff frame called
06:09.10Mr_Rabies2:O
06:09.14Mr_Rabies2self buff frame
06:09.42Tierriegod I am so incredibly miffed by the slowness of targettarget propagation
06:10.32Mike-N-Gofeces. • [in sing. ] an act of defecating. • a contemptible or worthless person. • something worthless; garbage; nonsense. • unpleasant experiences or treatment. • personal belongings; stuff. • any psychoactive drug, e.g., marijuana. ...
06:10.36Mike-N-GoKids these days..
06:10.45Mike-N-GoNew meanings for words.
06:10.48KasoMr_Rabies2 its just BuffFrame
06:11.30Mike-N-Go"when the shit hits the fan" o.O
06:11.56Mr_Rabies2BuffFrame, thanks Kaso
06:12.22Mr_Rabies2what about the debuff frame?
06:12.23Mr_Rabies2:O
06:12.24Nom-I just call it that big city in Terokkar
06:12.43Cairennyou'll pardon me if I find it rather amusing, given how you behaved about profanity in the channel previously, Mike-N-Go
06:13.16Mr_Rabies2WE WILL PARDON YOU NOTHING
06:13.24Cairenneeep, caps!
06:13.33Mr_Rabies2caps means i'm serious
06:14.17Mike-N-GoCairenn: Why do you beg pardon?
06:15.10Mike-N-GoCairenn: How is feces profane?
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06:15.35Cairennshit and shat are typically considered profanity, even if only mildly
06:15.48Cairenngood lord, you've got me talking about this again!
06:15.53Cairennewwww
06:15.54Mike-N-GoAll I see is poop (really).
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06:18.32Mike-N-GoCairenn: What is wrong about talking about human duty?
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06:21.38Cairennwheee, net split
06:22.52Neuro_Medivhmy fault I'm sure
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06:23.59Cairennwelcome back
06:24.01Kasoowch
06:24.02Mr_Rabies2some tripped over the pratchett power cable
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07:02.53Sstixrudhaha I need to disable the cooldown timers on my raid party buttons.. having cooldown timers for 250 buttons all kick off at once causes a tiny hit in the graphics even if the frames are :Hide()
07:03.05Sstixrudhit = hitch
07:03.47Mr_Rabies2ha
07:04.27Sstixrudnow I just have to figure out how to disable cooldown visuals on buttons :)
07:08.12Cairenn|afknight guys
07:08.45MentalPowernight Cair
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08:32.25Mr_Rabies2man, that was fun. a random resto druid and i beat 2 PALS FOR LIFE guys
08:32.43SunTigerwho are pals for life ?
08:32.52Mr_Rabies2Leeroy's guild
08:37.07Nom-leeeeroooooooooy jeeeeeeeeenkins
08:37.47SunTigerthey deserve to die!!
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08:38.01Mr_Rabies2theyre good people
08:38.11Mr_Rabies2it was like watching old people have sex though
08:38.21SunTiger05DIE!
08:38.29SunTigersorry about the colours and the bolds.
08:38.30Mr_Rabies2a healadin, a feral druid versus a resto druid and a feral druid
08:38.32SunTigerbut i had to do that.
08:38.42Mr_Rabies2both in bear for a while
08:38.50Mr_Rabies2eventually their druid went cat and i stomped him :p
08:39.15Kasoare pals getting upto much nowadays? do they raid?
08:39.17Mr_Rabies2i dropped him too fast for the pally, and he was just like "omg" in say after he died
08:39.22Mr_Rabies2i think they may be
08:39.26Mr_Rabies2the pally was in purple judgement
08:39.41KasoPals for life is a real blast from the past
08:39.54Mr_Rabies2they're not on my server, just my bgroup
08:39.59KasoI preferered their "Learning to fly" video to leeory
08:40.12Mr_Rabies2i can't remember it
08:40.17Mr_Rabies2i remember anfrony versus the giant or whatever
08:40.30Nom-<3 double-bubble
08:40.57Nom-I've gone PVP nuts with a caster with BoP and me in normal bubble
08:41.04Mr_Rabies2after we beat them i was like /1 nice job guys, <3 pals
08:41.08Nom-I tell ya...vs melee, those casters really kick ass with BoP :D
08:41.30Mr_Rabies2i tried to hibernate their druid and focus on the pally
08:41.36Mr_Rabies2but the old thorns bug resurfaced
08:43.52KasoMr_Rabies, seen the bug on SA, wonder how soon thats going to be fixed now its been posted
08:44.02Mr_Rabies2my thought process was like this on starting "yay, a resto druid in pvp :/" "oh well, it's just practice arenas" "damnit, a pally in purple judgement" "PALS FOR LIFE, awesome!" "THERE'S CATS EVERYWHERE" "This is like watching old people have sex" "damn thorns bug" "woo, druid down, 1 more to go and hes a healbot with no mana"
08:44.28Mr_Rabies2and the pally healed through both of our damage for a good 20 seconds
08:44.41Mr_Rabies2no not yet kaso
08:44.42Mr_Rabies2but i'll see
08:45.10Mr_Rabies2i don't go to goon squad much anymore because people have been going into "wow forums" mode
08:45.45KasoI must admit i mainly just read class thread / Questions you cant google
08:49.05Mr_Rabies2From one of the threads on there: "If you sign up for a raid, you must turn up for the raid, no matter if your spot was filled, and must wait outside the instance incase someone has to leave or is removed from the raid. Members who do not wait outside the instance will be removed from the guild."
08:49.13Mr_Rabies2i was in a guild that had that exact policy for a while
08:49.19Mr_Rabies2i never followed it :D
08:49.55Kasothats a pretty funny threat
08:49.56Kasothread
08:50.35Mr_Rabies2http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2339535
08:51.27Kasoat one point my first MC guild had this rule where healers weren't allowed to heal anyone but the Main tank
08:51.36Kasothe dps were expected to "deal with themselves"
08:57.41ShadowedKaso: rofl
08:57.48Shadowedhow long did it take that to change?
08:58.26Kasomagmadar i think :>
08:58.47Kasothe whole tonnes of AOE damage thing didnt work so well
08:58.50Shadowedhehe
08:59.04SunTigeromg dps, more, why are the rogues dead, HEAL ME!
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09:01.11Kasothat guild also had the single "main tank" (who was a leader) got all the warrior gear, who then promtly left the guild, leaving us with no warriors equipped.
09:01.20KasoI stayed in that guild far too long :<
09:01.22Shadowedgoood times
09:01.49wobinAnyone know where I could get my hands on some nice round button liquidy looking textures?
09:02.24Shadowedhttp://www.reluctantgourmet.com/blog/ thats what google suggests
09:02.27SunTigerlitestep seems to be all the rage lately
09:02.32SunTigerits in the surfices lib.
09:02.41ShadowedI don't see why people like Litestep
09:02.51SunTigertaste
09:13.20Mr_Rabies2Kaso did you notice my massive formatting nightmare i had there
09:13.56Mr_Rabies2i had to re-edit like 20 times, i ended up quoting myself, then pasting my quote of myself back in the post i was quoting, then deleting the post i meant quoting and :gonk:
09:13.59Mr_Rabies2it was terrible
09:17.31Kaso<PROTECTED>
09:19.51KasoHave you posted about your guild before, that horribly catch 22ish Attendance required to get a raid invite thing sounds familar
09:21.36Mr_Rabies2maybe
09:21.41Mr_Rabies2i don't remember
09:21.58Mr_Rabies2i've talked about it in here for a while
09:22.03Kasoperhaps it was in here
09:22.20Mr_Rabies2oh yeah here's another great thing
09:22.28Mr_Rabies2that GM with all those bullshit raid policies?
09:22.32Mr_Rabies2he was our main tank.
09:22.43Mr_Rabies2and got his tanking gear without DKP penality.
09:22.53Kasommhm, sounds familar
09:23.16KasoDid he also use his "spare" dkp to bid on weapons and dps sutff?
09:23.33Mr_Rabies2it wasn't as much of a guild as it was a "hey guys let's con 50 other assholes into getting us free loot and get away with it"
09:23.42Mr_Rabies2oh of course
09:24.05Mr_Rabies2oh and he was cybering with one of the officers
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09:24.32Mr_Rabies2she was manipulating the hell out of him
09:24.59Mr_Rabies2i think she turned out to be two people
09:25.18Mr_Rabies2the real owner of the account was a guy, and the chick he was talking to was an account hacker/seller
09:25.32snurreanyone got a clue about wow with dualscreen?
09:25.57KasoSnurre yes somewhat
09:26.08Kasowhat graphics card do you have
09:26.57snurregeforce 6800 ultra
09:27.31KasoMr_Rabies2, in amusing turn of events my former girlfriend (who got me playing wow) is now having an internet relationship with the former leader of the guild i am now a part of
09:27.34Kasothats a bit crazy
09:27.40snurrebut im having an issue with wow in windowed maximized sticking to the primary screen
09:27.40Kasosnurre, pc yes?
09:27.56Kasoyou want to span the wow window over both screens?
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09:28.17snurrenah, i want it on my secondary monitor
09:28.23KasoMr_Rabies, also, thats slight depressing on how sad i am :<
09:28.32Kasohmm, and you cant move it over in windowed mode?
09:28.43snurrein normal windowed, yes.
09:28.50snurrebut when i re-enable maximized it pops back
09:29.00Mr_Rabies2what about full sized window? same thing?
09:29.05Kasodo you mean Full screen or maximised
09:29.18Kasoas Mr_Rabies said, you should have maximised windowed mode
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09:29.46snurreyeah, that's what i have
09:30.05snurrenot normal fullscreen.. but i cant get it to unstick from primary monitor
09:30.24snurretried changing primary, tried disabling maximized, moving, re-enabling
09:30.56KasoYou're on windows right?
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09:31.23Kasoand you have your nVidia driver set to DuelView?
09:31.40snurreyep and yep
09:32.08Kasohmm im at a loss im afraid
09:32.20Kasomine acts differently
09:32.21Kasofor some reason
09:32.45snurrei just want to have all my regular stuff on one screen and only wow on the other _/
09:32.47snurre:/ *
09:33.07KasoWhy noy just put all you regular stuff on secondary monitor then?
09:33.30snurrethe start bar still is on primary
09:33.47Kasoyou mean the Task bar? you can move that
09:33.51snurreerr yeh
09:34.10Kasoright click unselect lock taskbar drag to whereever you want it
09:34.32Mr_Rabies2or try out ultramon
09:34.36snurrehm
09:34.37snurreim a nub
09:34.41snurreguess that fixed it :p
09:35.41snurrethanks for that lol
09:35.58KasoI've had more luck with Wow on my dual screen setup in linux than i have in windows oddly, with windows whenever the wow window goes slightly off the primary monitor the fps drops to 0.5, on linux it works perfectly fine.
09:36.05Kasowierdly
09:36.13snurrestill annoying that wow sticks to primary regardless tho
09:36.44Kasowell on mine i can maximise my wow window onto either monitor, but if its on my secondary i get low fps
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09:36.54Kasoi mainly use linux though, which works 100%
09:37.51WobinSo, tell me about Secure Pie
09:38.14Kasohttp://kasoo.net/img/imgs/pie.gif
09:38.16Kaso?
09:39.13KasoMr_Rabies2, the video for that bug is working now on youtube, its pretty damn awesome, he's ganking aliiance whilst invisible and the dont know what the christ.
09:44.40Mr_Rabies2he's probably gonna get banned if that gets out :[
09:45.30Mr_Rabies2he needs to hide his name
10:06.36Corrodiashow long does realm maintenance usually last?
10:09.26Kolth18 Hours
10:09.43KolthWho wants to write this second response for me? Just 1pg!
10:09.48Corrodiasthat seems excessive
10:10.14KolthIt's usually 30% over what they say :)
10:13.26LegorolKolth: linkie to video?
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10:14.21jaxdahlmy new healing mace: http://www.thottbot.com/?i=58981
10:14.27jaxdahlgot the first one on my server
10:14.35Kaso$s1 !!
10:14.38jaxdahl317
10:14.52jaxdahlwith a +81 healing enchant on it
10:15.21Corrodias317? whoa.
10:16.21KolthLegorol: Whowhat?
10:16.55Legorol<Kaso> Mr_Rabies2, the video for that bug is working now on youtube, its pretty damn awesome, he's ganking aliiance whilst invisible and the dont know what the christ.
10:17.06Kasooh
10:17.17KolthWhat teh Christ! :P
10:17.21Kasohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2BSjtE72Hs
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10:42.56KolthWoot -- two papers done.
10:42.58KolthI rawk!
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10:44.11KasoI need to learn jsp by the end of today
10:46.56KolthEasy.
10:47.09krkajsp is horrible :(
10:47.38krkamore the library implementation than the actual jsp though
10:47.45Kasoi guess i'll find out either way soon enough :>
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11:02.51LegorolKolth: thanky
11:02.55Legorol(for the link)
11:03.00KolthI'm so confused.
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11:16.42KasoLegorol, are you meaning to say Kaso but miss-tabbing?
11:16.53KolthHe just loves me.
11:16.56KolthUnconditionally.
11:16.59Kasohaha
11:17.03KolthI'm serious.
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12:02.44KolthThe Rake, Ghost Howl or The Needler?
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12:06.39Mr_Rabies2Batman.
12:06.55KasoWhats the point of going after rare pets anymore, just grab any old cat and be done with it
12:06.55Kolthdang
12:07.00KolthKaso :)
12:07.09KolthDid they nerf Rake totally?
12:07.12Mr_Rabies2get a cat that looks good, or a ravager
12:07.16KasoAll pets are the same nowdays
12:07.30Mr_Rabies2wasnt rake only useful for his pursuit speed?
12:07.36Kasoeg, all cats are the same as other cats, all wolfs the same as other wolfs etc etc
12:07.37KolthAnd 1.2 atk spd
12:07.41KolthPursuit speed was normalized.
12:07.45Mr_Rabies2yar
12:07.54Mr_Rabies2that was the first pet normalization
12:08.06Mr_Rabies2well actually
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12:08.20Mr_Rabies2resists being set to 0 for all pets unless you train in more was the first
12:08.31Mr_Rabies2i remember everyone had that wolf from feralas for a while
12:08.38Mr_Rabies2cause he had like 120 to everything
12:09.10Kasoback way way ago there was a wolf that did shadow damage as its melee and it was awesome because it had no armor mitigation
12:09.28KolthI remember that pet.
12:09.43KolthI'm probably working on my boar because of PvP.
12:09.45KolthSo fun!
12:10.50KolthNow, what's the most appropriate pet for a Blood Elf? :)
12:11.35KasoI like the red cats they have up there
12:11.51Kolthah, Springpaw Cubs+
12:11.52KolthYeah
12:11.55KasoNow, what's the most appropriate pet for a Blood Elf? :)
12:11.57Kasowoops
12:12.01Kasohttp://petopia.brashendeavors.net/html/mobs/mob_springpawstalker.shtml
12:12.06Kasosexy
12:12.25KolthI guess that would be it.
12:12.26KolthHrm.
12:12.48KasoCats really are the best pet
12:12.52KolthI have The Rake, an Elder Springpaw and a Boar
12:13.26KasoGive cats bite, claw, BM spec with frezy, nothing beats it
12:13.31KolthYr
12:13.33KolthYar*
12:14.08Kasowell, wind serpants are apparently pretty hot, but ive never tried really
12:16.04KolthI do like the Flame Breath
12:17.09Kasoive heard bad things about it because the pet stops to cast it and then doesnt cast Growl in time so the mob runs towards you
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12:26.45Mr_Rabies2<Kaso> Give cats bite, claw, BM spec with frezy, nothing beats it
12:26.57Mr_Rabies2ravagers >:[
12:27.06Mr_Rabies2gore is awesome
12:28.40Mr_Rabies2http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=35298
12:28.48Mr_Rabies2bout the same amount of damage on a nonproc
12:28.54Mr_Rabies2almost half the focus
12:29.05Mr_Rabies2er a little over half
12:29.24Mr_Rabies2and it can crit AND proc
12:31.33Mr_Rabies2for 4x damage
12:35.03Kasowow that is pretty awesome
12:35.18Kasonever played my hunter post 60
12:35.21Kasobut that is sexy
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13:02.15CorrodiasGore's average damage works out to be just slightly higher than Claw's, at rank 9 for both
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13:02.31Corrodiaswell, "slightly" like 75 over 65 or so
13:03.24Corrodiasdayum, the realm list is getting longer
13:13.34Mr_Rabies2your mom is
13:13.47Mr_Rabies2and corr, claw's 45 focus
13:13.51Mr_Rabies2whereas gore is 25
13:13.53Mr_Rabies2= awesome
13:15.05KolthUm. K-Meleon rules Firefox.
13:16.30Corrodiaseh
13:16.34Corrodiassince when is claw 45
13:16.56Corrodiassorry to correct you, but i think you're thinking of Bite
13:17.28Kolthhttp://www.wowhead.com/?spells=-3&filter=na=claw
13:18.00KolthBite's 35
13:18.09KolthGore 25
13:18.24dieckhi. can anybody give me a good link about how to start with "graphical" programming in wow? using own graphic elements (lines and dots would be ok for first examples :))
13:18.41KolthSkinning?
13:20.33Corrodias1) i don't know anything about making visible frames
13:20.36Corrodias2) what about skinning?
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13:22.02Kasodieck
13:22.04Kaso~faraframes
13:22.07purli guess faraframes is http://fara.webeddie.com/frames/
13:23.08Kasopurl faraframes is <reply> faraframes rather good tutorial of basic wow frames creation using XML, it can be found at http://fara.webeddie.com/frames/
13:23.09purl...but faraframes is already something else...
13:23.14Kasoi dont care!
13:23.19Kasohow do you over-ride?
13:23.28Kasoalso is <reply> the right syntax
13:24.27JoshBorkepurl
13:24.34JoshBorke~faraframes
13:24.35purlfaraframes is, like, http://fara.webeddie.com/frames/
13:24.45dieckok, thx, I'll have a look
13:24.53Corrodiaspurl, no, faraframes is <reply> faraframes rather good tutorial of basic wow frames creation using XML, it can be found at http://fara.webeddie.com/frames/
13:24.54purlokay, Corrodias
13:24.56JoshBorkebah!
13:24.59JoshBorkei was in the middle of typing that!
13:25.12Corrodiashmm. maybe no comes first.
13:25.13Corrodiasno, purl, faraframes is <reply> faraframes rather good tutorial of basic wow frames creation using XML, it can be found at http://fara.webeddie.com/frames/
13:25.27JoshBorke~faraframes
13:25.28purlfaraframes rather good tutorial of basic wow frames creation using XML, it can be found at http://fara.webeddie.com/frames/
13:25.36Kasoactually i screwed that up
13:25.42Kaso<PROTECTED>
13:25.45Kasome good grammar
13:25.52Corrodiasi love when "natural language" commands are actually harder to remember
13:25.59Kasohahayes
13:26.17Kasono, purl, faraframes is <reply> faraframes is a rather good tutorial of basic wow frames creation using XML, it can be found at http://fara.webeddie.com/frames/
13:27.33Corrodias>:)
13:27.38Corrodiaspurl doesn't like you
13:27.54JoshBorke~faraframes
13:27.58purlfaraframes rather good tutorial of basic wow frames creation using XML, it can be found at http://fara.webeddie.com/frames/
13:28.07Kaso~botslap
13:28.09purlACTION whimpers
13:28.10JoshBorkeno purl, faraframes is <reply> faraframes is a rather good tutorial of basic wow frames creation using XML, it can be found at http://fara.webeddie.com/frames/
13:28.35KasoCorrodias seems to over-ride us all
13:28.52Kasopurl loves him more
13:29.41JoshBorke~faraframes
13:29.42purlfaraframes is a rather good tutorial of basic wow frames creation using XML, it can be found at http://fara.webeddie.com/frames/
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13:34.45CorrodiasBREAKING NEWS
13:34.45CorrodiasREALM STATUS UPDATE:
13:34.45Corrodiasstill down
13:34.45MoonWolflol
13:37.42Corrodiasfun issues with flying: dying in midair and leaving a corpse in an inaccessible location, floating on nothingness! hitting "flight form", seeing your combat log say "you gain flight form", and plummeting to your death anyway, most assuredly -not- in flight form.
13:38.59JoshBorkeouch
13:39.06nevcairielflight form doesnt instantly start hovering, it will still fall for 1 second, before it can fly
13:39.15JoshBorkea warlock used a rocket helm, dotted up a party member and the party member died too high up to rez
13:39.30Corrodiasoh, trust me, it wasn't just flight form falling for a second
13:39.42JoshBorkedruid in our group tried to drop out of flight form and insta-cast rez.  she went splat
13:39.45JoshBorkeit was SOOO funny
13:39.49Corrodiasi never changed into a bird, and i fell for more than one second
13:40.34Corrodiasi decided to experiment and see if it was actually going to shift me eventually, so i didn't try hitting it again
13:40.34Corrodiasbut i've seen the same issue with casting Travel Form right after coming out of water
13:40.34Corrodiasit'll take mana, but i won't actually change
13:41.17Corrodiaswhat i had done immediately before trying to shift back into flight form was a quick midair health refuel with NS+HT
13:44.19Corrodiasgnomes are so cute and tasty
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13:52.08Corrodiashas it been 6 hours yet?
13:54.05Kirkburn6 hours? What have I missed?
13:54.08Corrodiasrealm maintenance downtime!
13:54.10Grollanyone here using the lfgx addon?
13:54.15Corrodiasnew update! they're still down.
13:54.20Kirkburnahmagawd, move to the EU ;)
13:54.33Corrodiasi'm actually awake during the day for the first time in years and they maintain the realms on me
13:54.39KolthSame, Corr :)
13:54.43Kirkburnlol
13:54.57KirkburnNight-time is party time, we all know it
13:55.34Corrodiasit has been almost 1/6 of the planned downtime *bounces*
13:55.59KolthI just got my 60 Rogue back
13:56.02KolthSo I'm heppy.
13:56.06Corrodiasback from where
13:56.12KolthLent him to a friend.
13:56.16KirkburnSo patch you say?
13:56.27KolthI say no patch?
13:56.35KirkburnI see.
13:56.37Corrodiasi saw a guy on the forums get his level 60 shaman back after having it deleted for some months
13:56.43Corrodiasit's just weekly maintenance
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13:56.53Corrodiassupposedly
13:57.08Corrodiasi mean, he posted with a level 60 shaman. i can't really say whether or not it had ceased to exist until that point.
13:57.19KirkburnNah it's "drink alcohol and dance at the expense of Corrodias" time
13:57.51Corrodiashey, i don't need you. i have a white russian chilling in the freezer. >:P
13:59.06KirkburnYou just reminded me of an awesome Naked Gun joke
13:59.16Kirkburn"Get me the strongest thing you've got."
13:59.50Corrodiasi hope there's more to it
14:00.22Corrodiasah, horde-alliance relations are a fascinating bitch
14:01.11Corrodiasyesterday, we had a jolly old time in halaa, at least. i learned that i can hold my own against some people.
14:03.20Corrodiasat least when i ambush them from behind with a Pounce and then proceed to moonfire/insect swarm/wrath them to pieces
14:03.42Kirkburnnice :)
14:06.24Corrodiassince i pounded so many of them when they were alone and helpless, i logged my communication alt after it was all over and thanked them for their time
14:10.02CorrodiasDONT you remember, we built this city. we built this city on rock and roll!
14:11.10Corrodiastrolls look wacky. no, maybe "rad" is a better term.
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14:16.17Corrodiasi wonder where gnomes carry five large bags full of armor
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14:17.10cogwheelanyone else unable to log into the forums?
14:17.49Corrodiasmaybe you should ask... YOUR MOM
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14:19.31cogwheelhmm... can't even log into account maintenance... guess the login servers are off
14:19.35Corrodiasstatus: 1:19 since i've been cut off and still no sign of life in the realms
14:20.37cogwheelNo forums... No WoW... Guess I'll have to resort to drugs... GG Blizzard
14:20.53cogwheelXD
14:20.57Corrodiasblizzard drove me to cocaine
14:21.10nevcairielblizzard drove me to coffeine
14:22.28Corrodiasblizzard drove me to watching the realm status page
14:23.11Mr_Rabies2the servers aren't coming up till 11:00AM pst
14:23.12Mr_Rabies2:O
14:23.28Corrodiaspacif... the alcohol is starting to take effect
14:23.32Mr_Rabies214,1Time: (49:23:32 AM EST on Tuesday, February 20, 200714)
14:23.41Mr_Rabies2that's EST so
14:23.43Corrodiaspokay, pacific is one hour to the east for me so that's 10..
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14:23.50Corrodiaswait!
14:23.52Corrodiasit's WEST!
14:23.54Mr_Rabies2sometime between now and the end of time
14:24.00Corrodiasi have conquered the time zone challenge
14:24.13Mr_Rabies2You have slain Time Zone!
14:24.25Mr_Rabies2You receive loot [Broken Clock]
14:24.57KolthAnyone done some Arena stuff? I'm curious what kind of effort Arena Points are taking.
14:25.03Corrodias11... 12, 1
14:25.08Corrodiasi don't want ot wait until 1
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14:25.43Corrodiassadly, Kolth, there aren't enough level 70 people in my guild to get an arena team going. you know, only about one out of 5 want to be involved.
14:25.53Corrodiasit will be another few days~
14:26.10KolthThanks
14:26.13KolthI want Gladiator gear :)
14:26.23Corrodiasme too
14:26.49KolthMy Rogue is 60 and wearing half NS half BF.
14:26.55KolthSo he's behind.
14:27.15Corrodiasthe gladiator's gear is some -nice- stuff
14:27.24KolthIt's top-notch for overall value.
14:27.27Mr_Rabies2corr i think your server's more carebear than mine
14:27.39Corrodiasbut using 1500 as a baseline team ranking, it's going to take quite a few weeks to get items from the arena
14:27.51Corrodias99 + 0.216 times your rating, or something like that
14:27.53Mr_Rabies2the druid gladiator gear is pretty sub-par
14:27.55Corrodiasper week
14:28.05Mr_Rabies2the "feral" one at least
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14:28.21Corrodiaswell, rabies, i'd like to see your definition of "par", because the war staff is as good a balance staff as i've seen yet
14:28.33Mr_Rabies2i mean the armor
14:28.47Corrodiaswell, no, i didn't look closely at the feral armor
14:28.50Mr_Rabies2war staff != druid gladiator gear
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14:29.27Mr_Rabies2http://www.wowhead.com/?itemset=584
14:29.33Mr_Rabies2pretty mediocre
14:30.05Corrodiasgladiator's war staff, i suppose okay for classes other than just druids: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=24557
14:30.35Mr_Rabies2i want the mace, thats about it
14:30.41Mr_Rabies2and actually
14:30.45Mr_Rabies2i think there's better out there
14:30.54nevcairieli need that druid that, just for the t4 looks heh
14:31.17Mr_Rabies2that druid...that
14:31.19Mr_Rabies2:O
14:31.21nevcairielset
14:31.22nevcairieldoh :o
14:32.51nevcairielbut i cannot decide which item first
14:32.53nevcairiel:o
14:35.17Mr_Rabies2i've got no plans to do arenas competitively
14:35.28Mr_Rabies2the gear's not impressive at all except the mace
14:35.34Corrodiasthe armor does seem to be lacking
14:35.36Mr_Rabies2and i'm pretty sure there's better stuff out there for less work
14:35.45Mr_Rabies2the only thing decent on that set is the AC
14:35.46nevcairieli do it mainly for fun
14:35.52Corrodiasa total of +176 damage to spells or so, on the balance set
14:35.58Corrodiasa paltry number
14:35.58nevcairielbut we are still sucessfull :D
14:36.32Mr_Rabies2competitive arenas probably aren't for you if you're in it purely for fun :O
14:36.46Mr_Rabies2unless you're really good and also have fun :p
14:36.51nevcairielyeah :p
14:36.59Mr_Rabies2just seems like the guys that are really good aren't in it for fun
14:37.09nevcairieli have more fun, when i win
14:37.10Corrodiasi kinda want fun
14:37.12nevcairielso i try to win
14:37.13nevcairiel:)
14:37.18Mr_Rabies2i can hold my own, but by no means am i near the best
14:37.38Mr_Rabies2i don't wanna kill my rating for when i find a good team
14:37.51nevcairielratings are team based, not player based
14:38.54Mr_Rabies2i thought there was an individual player thing too
14:39.01nevcairielyeah you get points
14:39.06Mr_Rabies2i'll admit i haven't looked into it much, i haven't found a good team yet
14:39.14nevcairielwhich you can spend for items
14:39.29Mr_Rabies2though me and a pug resto druid killed some PALS FOR LIFE guys earlier
14:39.31Mr_Rabies2that felt good
14:39.36nevcairiellol
14:39.47Corrodiassounds gay
14:39.54Mr_Rabies2in a practice
14:40.00Mr_Rabies2PALS FOR LIFE is leeroy's guild
14:40.07Mr_Rabies2they're good people,
14:40.17Mr_Rabies2better pvers than they are pvpers though :p
14:40.25Corrodiasa rogue and i went up against a pair of hunters, and i was such an idiot that i forgot about Barkskin
14:40.33Corrodiasi really didn't get anything done
14:40.37nevcairieli generally forget about barksin
14:40.43nevcairielbut its getting better :D
14:41.01nevcairieland i am really getting used to doing cyclone now
14:41.04nevcairielwhich rocks.
14:41.45Corrodiasfor 6 seconds it rocks
14:41.51Mr_Rabies2i respecd today
14:42.51Corrodiasoh no!
14:42.54Corrodiasto what?
14:43.05Mr_Rabies2from http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=zZxGGsfrotuioVxhz
14:43.14nevcairieli am 5/0/56 now .. had to get natures grasp for arena.
14:43.19Mr_Rabies2to http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=0zZxGMsfroeuioVxhz
14:43.20Corrodiasstill smells like feral to me
14:43.27Mr_Rabies2of course
14:43.35Mr_Rabies2i wouldnt have it any other way
14:44.09Mr_Rabies2i miss the armor
14:44.38Mr_Rabies2but 3% to every stat and 3% less chance to be critted  plus ng is nice
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15:07.35sylvanaarthe 3% to stats is meaningless its an endgame tanking talent, but is not quite resiliance only need it if you are collecting resiliance gear otherwise can spend the points better
15:09.50sylvanaarlike intensity
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15:21.36Smoket!!!
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15:22.31Kolthzomgosh cair
15:23.39Kaso‽‽‽
15:23.49Kaso(for my unicode enabled brothers!)
15:24.12equiraptorWhat about your unicode enabled sisters? :'(
15:24.47KasoThen you fail !
15:24.50KirkburnI see a interrobang?
15:25.17Kasointerrobang is the best symbol ever created
15:25.50Kirkburn:)
15:25.54Kirkburnhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interrobang
15:26.10Mr_Rabies2i can see the interrobang
15:26.40Mr_Rabies2but gnaborretnis are no go still
15:27.38Kasoisnt that the same symbol?
15:30.54SmoketHas anyones guild ran Deez yet?
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15:35.40Mr_Rabies2<Kaso> isnt that the same symbol?
15:35.54Mr_Rabies2upside down and reversed
15:35.58Kasoah
15:36.10Mr_Rabies2for languages that roll like that
15:36.29SmoketWhatever I hate you all... Because of you guys I'm Satanic.
15:36.54Mr_Rabies2i'm confused
15:37.28Mr_Rabies2instead of trying to understand you i'm going to resort to violence like always
15:37.38nevcairiellol
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15:39.09Mr_Rabies2I'm a big fan of Rapcat. He's pretty awesome. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsAafSEh8i4&NR
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16:07.24Grolllol http://www.break.com/index/screwing_the_country.html
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16:22.49cogwheel|work~emulate cogwheel
16:22.50purlACTION shakes its fist at the forums
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16:44.22KirkburnMr_Rabies2, Adys already kicked Smoket from #wowwiki
16:44.42Adysdingdingding
16:45.23Mr_Rabies2he seems like one of "those" guys
16:46.01Mr_Rabies2the HAY GUYS 420 SMOKE EVERY DAY HAHA OWNED guys
16:46.12Adysso what happened while my internet connexion sucked?
16:46.16Mr_Rabies2with some attention whore thrown in
16:46.52Mr_Rabies2i dunno, apparently my thoughts about this guy after a couple messages were pretty close if you already banned him from #wowwiki :p
16:47.37equiraptorI don't think he even had to be banned. He was kicked and just never came back, I think.
16:48.31Adysmmm
16:48.48Mr_Rabies2what did he do in #wowwiki?
16:49.04equiraptorMade fun of someone for running AQ20.
16:49.21Adyshe was basically saying some ppl were jerks for talking about kurinaxx tactics
16:49.52JoshBorkehow many 70s would you say it takes to down kurinaxx?
16:49.52JoshBorke10?
16:50.01Adysnoes
16:50.07Adyssec
16:50.15Adyshttp://www.ad-eternium.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1380
16:50.22Mr_Rabies2kurinaxxramas
16:50.26Mr_Rabies2OR DID I JUST BLOW YOUR MIND
16:51.25Mr_Rabies2<Smoket> Has anyones guild ran Deez yet? <Smoket> Whatever I hate you all... Because of you guys I'm Satanic.
16:51.33Mr_Rabies2isall it took for me to decide i didnt like him
16:51.57Adyslol
16:52.00Mr_Rabies2anyone who makes a DEEZ NUTS joke loses rabies points
16:52.31Mr_Rabies2unless its just so out of the blue and nonsensical, like a well timed your mom joke
16:53.48KirkburnWhy would I want rabies points? Is it related to the level of foaming of the mouth I get?
16:54.06Mr_Rabies2it's directly related to your awesomeness
16:56.03Mr_Rabies2<Corrodias> since when is claw 45
16:56.03Mr_Rabies2<Corrodias> sorry to correct you, but i think you're thinking of Bite
16:56.36Mr_Rabies2i was thinking of druid claw actually, i just searched for claw, did a damage check on wowhead, then later went back and checked cost, i accidentally hovered over the druid version methinks
16:56.57Mr_Rabies2that seemed awfully high but i wasn't about to argue with wowhead
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16:57.25krkaanyone want to test my new FAIAP alpha?
16:57.43cogwheel|workyes plz
16:57.55krkacool
16:57.56cogwheel|worki've been eagerly awaiting an update =D
16:58.11krkahttp://kristofer.no-ip.info/~krka/tmp/ForAllIndentsAndPurposes.17-alpha.zip
16:58.18krkanot guaranteed to work in any way
16:58.22krkabut luac swallows it .)
16:58.30cogwheel|workheh. understood :)
16:58.33krkato reiterate, i haven't tested with wow at all
16:58.38krkacool
16:58.57krkaapart from plain usage, it would be nice if you could test enabling / disabling it for editboxes
16:58.59Mr_Rabies2whats it do :O
16:59.20krkaadds lua syntax highlighting and indentation to editboxes
16:59.30Mr_Rabies2nifty
17:00.09krkato enable on an editbox:
17:00.18cogwheel|workYeah, I can't live without LuaSlinger+FAIAP+MonoLua
17:00.19krkaIndentationLib.enable(editbox)
17:00.25krkato disable:
17:00.28krkaIndentationLib.disable(editbox)
17:00.41krkaif workign correctly, you should be able to disable / enable in any order without it breaking
17:00.58krkaenabling should automatically highlight the code, disabling should automatically remove all colors
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17:23.44cogwheel|workDoes #showtooltip imply #show unless #show is used as well?
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17:26.48Thorgardcogwheel|work, #showtooltip implies #show, I believe.
17:29.31cogwheel|workthought so
17:30.12zenzelezzI seemed to have trouble using both
17:30.15zenzelezzat the same time
17:30.41sysrageWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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18:23.50krkacogwheel|work: tried FAIAP 17 alpha?
18:24.08cogwheel|workare the servers up?
18:24.24ShadowedI'm stuck on authenticating
18:25.12cogwheel|workyep
18:25.16cogwheel|work(stuck too)
18:26.34cogwheel|workso, that would be a "no" :P
18:26.47Shadowedwell that could be a yes and everyones trying to get on :p
18:27.01cogwheel|worka "no" to krka's question...
18:27.14krkaaww
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18:38.16BouviDang Mazzle is under some crappyu attack
18:38.44Shadowedarenas are already broken!
18:38.47Shadowedpoints didn't calculate
18:38.55cogwheel|workkrka: indent.lua:1072: attempt to index global 'frame' (a nil value) on login
18:41.30krkathanks!
18:41.32krkai'll fix it
18:42.25krkaok..
18:42.33krkasimply change all occurances of "frame" to "editbox"
18:42.34krkathat should fix it
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18:46.33ShadowedDid Blizzard ever say the actual date arena points calculate?
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18:47.00nevcairieli would guess during maintenance
18:47.16Shadowedwell apparently not!
18:47.24nevcairielor, one week after arena release
18:47.39Shadowedfriday then, but that wouldn't make sense since the site says "at the end of the week"
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19:15.22Tierrie|WorkHi ho
19:20.23zenzelezzHi ho
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19:26.45cogwheel|workkrka: fresh login. pulled up LuaSlinger window, went to Scripts tab and got the error: indent.lua: 1084: attempt to call global 'oldfun' (a nil value)
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19:30.36Corrodiasare you guys familiar with... spengbab?!
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19:32.04Corrodiaslooks like i fell asleep for a few hours, there
19:32.54Corrodiasi hate when that happens
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19:55.20xkpehi
19:55.28Gryphenhe3ya
19:57.18xkpeis this channel about wow addons and macros?
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20:03.10zenzelezzyes
20:04.11xkpei was trying to make a macro, simple thing but its not working
20:04.30xkpeits a castsequence with a pet skill
20:05.12xkpesomething like /castsequence [harm] Growl,Serpent Sting,...
20:05.48xkpebut the sequence is not working, it never passes growl
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20:25.49Scre3mis it supposed to be ; instead of , ?
20:26.02cogwheel|workScre3m: no
20:26.07Scre3mkk
20:26.35cogwheel|workxkpe: i think there's an issue with pet attacks being used in sequences...
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20:36.06foxlitEncounter design is <3
20:36.14foxlit"I could really use a heart; say, can I have yours?"
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21:05.36krkacogwheel|work: i'll have to look at it later
21:05.48krkathanks for trying it though
21:05.52cogwheel|worknp
21:14.01xkpecogwheel|work: my macro is like this: /castsequence Growl, Arcane Shot
21:14.26cogwheel|workright. I think there's a problem (bug?) with pet spells in /castsequences
21:14.54xkpeoh, any workaround?
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21:15.28cogwheel|workdon't know... only parroting what I've gleaned from the forums...
21:21.25xkpeis there an option for pet target?
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21:22.03cogwheel|workin what way?
21:22.12xkpeto know if my pet has a target
21:22.43cogwheel|workyou mean like: /cast [target=pettarget, exists] Growl
21:23.53xkpesomething like that yea
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21:33.49IndustrialI just looked at my screenshots folder, 4 screenshots
21:34.00Industrialthey were all about me talling people they fail at something
21:34.10Industrial1 Hottigirl: lfg
21:34.30Industrial1 Industrial: you fail at roleplaying, on the other hand you might be a big fat old guy with a beard - who knows?
21:34.37Industrialstuff like that :P
21:34.48Industriallol
21:35.07Industrial"WHERE I CANT LEARN GUN?" "HOW I MINE FOR FISH?"
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21:49.18TC_WorkingIndustrial, you fail at life
21:51.37Industrialyeah im too weak to ignore people like that :(
21:52.51TC_Workingoh..no, i never said ignore them, one of my greatest joys in life, are lisening to stupid people
21:52.58TC_Working....and then responding
21:54.23Industrialso how do I fail them
21:54.25Industrialthen*
21:56.18TC_Workingyou need to have better insults
21:56.18Industrialhm
21:56.37Industrialenlighten me, man of great wisdom
21:56.55TC_Workingwell give me an example
21:56.57equiraptor1) The old fat guy roleplaying a "hot" girl is overdone.
21:57.19equiraptorUm... I haven't thought of 2) yet.
21:57.25equiraptorBut I'm working on it. :)
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22:00.29krkacogwheel|work: if you'r still interested, try replacing all "oldfun" with "oldFun"
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22:04.37cogwheel|workkrka: works so far :) I'll have to do more extensive testing...
22:04.58krkanice, thanks for testing for me!
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22:41.04Corrodiasthese realm restarts are getting old
22:41.12Kolthhehe
22:41.14KolthOr young!
22:41.20ShadowedIt's to fix arena points not calculating
22:41.48ShadowedAnyone done an addon using self before? Trying to work out how you use it in a few things like local functions, or hooking other functions.
22:42.00Kolthself?
22:42.03KolthTargetting self?
22:42.14Corrodiasthe lua reference "self"
22:42.15Shadowedno, self as in the object self
22:42.19Shadoweder reference
22:42.19Kolthahh
22:42.35KolthShadowed: It's pretty easy -- show me an example of where you're stuck
22:43.29krkazomg, latest heroes was pretty good
22:43.35KolthYeah!
22:43.38KolthIt was awesome!
22:44.01Shadowedhttp://wowi.pastey.net/6928 49 calls a local function that needs access to self to do SetScript
22:44.10Shadowedas far as I can tell, local functions don't get self, so you have to pass it?
22:45.19krkaread PiL, it explains all about self
22:45.32krkato put it simple, it's just syntactic sugar
22:45.51nevcairielyou could always do local self = <some-global>
22:45.57krkafunction a:b(x,y,z) is exactly the same as function a.b(self, x,y,z)
22:46.54Bejittdid you try adding "HookFrames" to NPLibrary ?
22:47.08cogwheel|workBejitt: that would defeat the purpose of making it local
22:47.16Bejitt..true
22:47.20Shadowedkrka: I see
22:47.24cogwheel|workShadowed: just pass self as another parameter to the function
22:47.26Industrial< nevcairiel> you could always do local self = <some-global>
22:47.30Industrial*windows break*
22:47.44nevcairielin a local function? what should break ? :D
22:48.08Industrialno i mean, I dont think thats.. neat :P
22:48.59nevcairielyeah it isnt
22:49.02nevcairielbut its simple
22:49.02nevcairiel:)
22:49.30ShadowedI seem to be missing something passing self then though
22:49.54nevcairieljust add self as a parameter before the ... part
22:50.40ShadowedI did, but self.HealthOnShow is nil, and I know I define NPLibrary:HealthOnShow
22:51.00Industrialbecause its a local function
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22:51.19Industrialits not part of a table, so self doesnt refer to the table's variables
22:51.19Shadowedthough a local function could access a global one?
22:51.20nevcairielthats why he passes self to it
22:51.46Industrialwell yes, you could pass any table as the first argument, but you could name self 'foo' instead
22:52.15Bejitt[newb] is there a difference between self. and self:  ?
22:52.43Bejitthe said he defined it as self:HealthOnShow, and he's passing self.HealthOnShow
22:53.20Bejittit says "self.HealthOnShow" is nil, that means self isn't nil right? ;)
22:53.28cogwheel|workBejitt:    table:function(parm)     is semantically equivalent to        table.function(table, parm)
22:53.37Bejittkk
22:53.46cogwheel|workit's just syntactic sugar as they call it...
22:54.01Bejittbut less fattening
22:54.19Shadowedhttp://wowi.pastey.net/6929 I assume thats right, but I don't see what self.HealthOnShow wouldn't work then
22:54.20Shadowedhrm
22:54.58Shadowed100% sure self isn't nil however
22:55.22cogwheel|workshadowed, think about what's happening there...
22:55.45cogwheel|workyou're seting a script as a function in a table
22:55.53cogwheel|workthe function is expecting "self" as the first parameter
22:56.04cogwheel|workBut it's being called by blizzard's event system
22:56.12cogwheel|workwhich passes the frame as the first parameter
22:56.36cogwheel|workblizzard's code doesn't have any way to pass the "self" you're after
22:56.51nevcairielyou need a small wrapper, like function() self:func() end
22:56.54cogwheel|workYou need to create a closure
22:56.58cogwheel|worklike that, yeah :)
22:57.56ShadowedI'll make them local I think, rather avoid making an anonymous function every name plate thats created
22:57.56Shadowedthanks
22:58.38TC_WorkingSee, and thats the reason this channel is here.
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23:01.40bleetahoO server restart
23:02.15subbawtBlizzard's built in interface mods are Load on Demand right?
23:02.54bleetaharena points fix
23:02.55subbawtLike, i downloaded this mod that allows me to edit what mods are loaded while in game, and it had something you could press to load on demand addons.
23:03.42Shadowedsubbawt: The Blizzard_* addons in your interface folder are LOD
23:03.57subbawtis there any way to make them load automatically when i enter the game?
23:04.26subbawtwhenever i inspect someone, i get this huge amount of lag for like 45 seconds sometimes, and i think it's the inspectframe addon being loaded
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23:05.14foxlitLoadAddOn("AddonName
23:05.20foxlit") -- should do that
23:05.39foxlitShouldn't take 45 seconds to load an addon, though
23:06.24subbawtwell i have a few theories as to why it happens
23:06.33subbawtit's either what i just mentioned, or something to do with Skinner
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23:23.53nevcairieleverytime you inspect someone? or the first time after reload/login ?
23:24.57Tierrie|Workso how do people deal with the delayed propagation of targettarget when you target yourself?
23:25.23Tierrie|Workexample: if event == "PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED" then print( UnitName("targettarget") end
23:26.39foxlittargettarget frame is managed by onupdate anyway
23:26.46foxlitSince events for it are rather sparse
23:27.43Tierrie|Workroger that
23:27.43Tierrie|Workthat makes it rather spammy but ok
23:27.43Tierrie|Workits actually how i am making it work right now >_<
23:27.57foxlitMy ToT frame is horribly bugged if the ToT unit is not in your party
23:28.03foxlitIt just fails to update past UNIT_NAME
23:28.21foxlit(or however it detects that there's a new unit around)
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23:50.16TC_Workinghttp://www.reallifecomics.com/archive/060629.html

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