| 00:11.22 | ckknight | lol |
| 00:20.59 | Tain | There's a raid and dungeons forum? |
| 00:21.23 | Shadowd | It's below the "Everyone complains and asks for new servers" forum |
| 00:22.49 | Cairenn | the signal to noise ratio in the rest of the forums is such that I don't bother to go to any of them other than the UI one |
| 00:25.47 | Shadowd | it's hard to find something to troll the UI forums about |
| 00:26.54 | Cairenn | if I really want serious abuse, I can come up with much more fun ways to receive it than to subject myself to those forums |
| 00:28.07 | Codayus | some of the forums aren't that bad... |
| 00:28.16 | Codayus | well...not...THAT....bad. I guess. |
| 00:28.34 | Codayus | Some of the class forums are mostly okay, except around class review time. |
| 00:28.43 | Cairenn | as I said ... if I want abuse, there are many ways that are much more enjoyable |
| 00:28.53 | Codayus | Like the priest forums, which have spent 90% of the time being calm and helpfull...but are currently going rabid. |
| 00:29.10 | Codayus | Because the priest talent calc was delayed a day, so clearly eyonix HATES PRIESTS. |
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| 00:29.31 | Codayus | He's already permabanned one account from the forums. It was an amusing smackdown. |
| 00:30.05 | Cairenn | link? |
| 00:30.19 | Codayus | Hmm, let me see... |
| 00:30.25 | Cairenn | or thread already poofed? |
| 00:30.37 | Codayus | naaa, the thread is going strong. |
| 00:30.48 | MentalPower | oh yes, that pwnage was awesome |
| 00:32.10 | Cairenn | don't bother, not really that interested |
| 00:32.38 | Cairenn | that's just one of the few things I can enjoy in the other forums, is when the CMs stomp on people |
| 00:35.02 | MentalPower | OP: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?FN=wow-priest&T=640491&P=1 |
| 00:35.04 | MentalPower | Warning: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?FN=wow-priest&T=640491&P=3 |
| 00:35.06 | MentalPower | PWNAGE!: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?FN=wow-priest&T=640491&P=4 |
| 00:35.16 | MentalPower | just scroll down for the Blue posts |
| 00:35.36 | Codayus | ah, just as I finally found it. |
| 00:35.37 | Codayus | :-) |
| 00:36.29 | Codayus | and yeah, just some great smackdown. couldn't happen to a nicer guy either |
| 00:36.30 | Shadowd | The fact that he didn't understand it would be account and not character ban was pretty funny |
| 00:36.40 | MentalPower | indeed |
| 00:39.33 | Codayus | I don't fully understand the delay on releasing the priest talent info...but... A) that guy was out of line, and B) so fun to see the guy get pwned. |
| 00:40.13 | Anduin|Gone | they're still testing the priest tallents, still subject to change as always |
| 00:41.01 | Shadowd | He said it was for localisation didn't he? |
| 00:41.18 | Codayus | Anduin|Gone: Priests were told the info would be posted today. Now we've been told that due to a delay in...uh...localization I think, they'll be posted tomorrow. |
| 00:42.12 | Anduin|Gone | ah, i dunno about that |
| 00:42.23 | Codayus | If you take the explanation at face value, there's no reason why a list of talents could be posted, even if the calculator wasn't ready. But...no reason why they should be either, and unfair to non-engl;ish realms or something, I guess. <shrug> |
| 00:42.26 | Shadowd | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-priest&t=640239&s=blizzard&tmp=1#blizzard |
| 00:42.59 | MentalPower | the holdup is bcecause of localization issues |
| 00:42.59 | Codayus | I'm as eager to get the info as anyone, but...meh. |
| 00:43.22 | MentalPower | no one wants a repeat of the druid talents fiasco |
| 00:43.37 | Shadowd | What was that? |
| 00:43.37 | Codayus | what happened with the druid talents? |
| 00:43.51 | Codayus | Oh, right...they went up in korea like an hour earlier or something? |
| 00:44.08 | Shadowd | Hour and 20 minutes apparently |
| 00:44.15 | Iriel | that's hardly a 'fiasco' |
| 00:44.18 | Codayus | And the forums went nuts with the type of insanity that makes me want to gouge my eyes out with a spoon... |
| 00:44.47 | Codayus | It was in the eyes of the forum trolls. *sigh* Need a lot more perma bans if you ask me. |
| 00:44.52 | MentalPower | well the event itself wasn't a fiasco, but the response in the forums was |
| 00:45.05 | Cairenn | Iriel: the fiasco was (I believe) in reference to the response by the users |
| 00:45.30 | Cairenn | heh, what he said ;) |
| 00:45.47 | Codayus | yeah, what he said |
| 00:47.49 | Iriel | I dont think fiasco is an appropriate word for that though. |
| 00:48.02 | Tain | Any and all of the forums could be considered a fiasco against common sense and decency. |
| 00:49.32 | MentalPower | true, perhaps fiasco is too strong of a word |
| 00:50.03 | Iriel | riot, perhaps |
| 00:50.09 | Iriel | gross demonstration of stupidity |
| 00:50.46 | Cairenn | usual rabid mouthings by the ravening horde |
| 00:51.14 | MentalPower | lol |
| 00:51.57 | Codayus | Tain: Agreed. Fully. |
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| 00:57.34 | Cairenn | wow, what a surprise, the post by "Skankyhobag" is gone ... |
| 00:58.03 | Cairenn | ah crap, no it isn't, didn't scroll far enough |
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| 00:58.54 | MentalPower | Cairenn: huh? |
| 01:00.02 | Cairenn | just muttering to myself, sorry |
| 01:00.31 | MentalPower | ok... |
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| 01:06.41 | JoshBorke | ok, now i'm just here to soak up the knowledge :-) |
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| 01:07.45 | Cairenn | heh |
| 01:08.35 | Iriel | There's a bunch of knowledge in the corner from earlier |
| 01:09.00 | JoshBorke | :-) ok, well, time to go |
| 01:09.04 | JoshBorke | take care :_) |
| 01:09.18 | Cairenn | ah, Iriel is awake, yeah, there'll be knowledge in the channel then |
| 01:09.21 | MentalPower | Ok, assuming that hyperlink is the integer number 37 will the following: |
| 01:09.23 | MentalPower | if (type(hyperlink) == "number") then |
| 01:09.24 | MentalPower | _, hyperlink = GetItemInfo(hyperlink) |
| 01:09.26 | MentalPower | end |
| 01:09.27 | MentalPower | give me what I expect (the string "item:37:0:0:0")? |
| 01:16.44 | Iriel | If the wiki is correct, adn item 37 is in your local cache, then yes |
| 01:18.24 | MentalPower | thanks Iriel :) |
| 01:23.08 | GenNMX|Thrae | window kill 5 |
| 01:24.14 | Codayus | heh |
| 01:24.52 | GenNMX|Thrae | msg Codayus Please stop messaging me about your Druid-On-Druid pr0n... |
| 01:26.20 | Codayus | what a disturbing thought |
| 01:26.54 | Anduin|Gone | moonkin! |
| 01:26.59 | Codayus | since I'm currently in a class, I'd hate to have to explain why I'm laughing. |
| 01:27.52 | Codayus | Would it still count as bestiality? |
| 01:28.03 | GenNMX|Thrae | Codayus: Then you'd better not think about what a "Mountable Form" would mean to Female Nightelves. |
| 01:28.07 | Codayus | What about mages + polymorph? |
| 01:28.25 | Codayus | And, since damage breaks it, would that even be possible? |
| 01:28.30 | GenNMX|Thrae | "Come back! Let me mount you!" |
| 01:29.28 | Codayus | More to the point, why am I even thinking about this? Bad GenMX! Bad! |
| 01:35.54 | GenNMX|Thrae | Codayus: The real reason we don't have Night Elf Warlocks is because of Female Night Elves + Succubus combination -- permenant seduction for 80% of the gaming population. |
| 01:36.40 | GenNMX|Thrae | Female Human Warlocks w/ Succubus are bad, Female Blood Elf Warlocks will be even worse! |
| 01:37.33 | Iriel | I played a female BE warlock at blizzcon |
| 01:37.51 | GenNMX|Thrae | After the expansion, you may see an increase in, "Hey, where are some addons which allow me to play with ONLY the mouse? I need my other hand, uh, free." |
| 01:38.31 | Codayus | eww. |
| 01:40.51 | Codayus | I don't even really like NE females. I suspect I'll feel the same way about BE females. |
| 01:41.14 | Cairenn | I just hope there'll be hair colour options besides blonde :p |
| 01:42.17 | Ktron | blonde, dirty blonde, grey, and white |
| 01:42.23 | Cairenn | bleh |
| 01:42.33 | Ktron | don't worry, I just made that up |
| 01:42.51 | Iriel | it's blood blonde, blood grey, and blood white |
| 01:42.55 | GenNMX|Thrae | Ohhh, so Codayus is a furry. |
| 01:43.05 | GenNMX|Thrae | He likes the Taurenette behinds. |
| 01:43.05 | Cairenn | darn well better be brunette, red and raven options |
| 01:43.08 | Iriel | oh, and blood green |
| 01:43.33 | Codayus | human females are the most attractive models I think...by far. although it's a bit odd to even analyze in-game models that way |
| 01:43.58 | Cairenn | always wished humans could be hunters |
| 01:44.07 | GenNMX|Thrae | Codayus: It's called the "Titilization Factor". |
| 01:44.20 | Cairenn | it's called "sex sells" |
| 01:44.33 | Cairenn | why candy coat it |
| 01:45.03 | GenNMX|Thrae | Mmm, Sexy Candy. |
| 01:45.32 | Codayus | I don't fully understand the reasoning ehind most of the race/class restrictions |
| 01:45.58 | GenNMX|Thrae | Codayus: Most of it is standing to WC2/WC3 unit selections and Lore. |
| 01:46.28 | GenNMX|Thrae | WC1/WC2/WC3. |
| 01:46.32 | Codayus | yeah...but...some of the restrictions have no basis in lore...other stuff violates lore I believe. |
| 01:46.35 | Codayus | but meh |
| 01:46.50 | GenNMX|Thrae | Codayus: Like what? |
| 01:46.51 | Codayus | yay class over |
| 01:47.31 | Anduin|Gone | well if you follow lore, don't bother reading the books. They're written by bestselling authors, not diehard blizzard fans. |
| 01:48.40 | GenNMX|Thrae | Codayus: Which class/race combination do you think really violates Warcraft Lore? |
| 01:49.06 | GenNMX|Thrae | Anduin|Gone: Well I think that's fair -- Blizzard can either make their books officially part of their Warcraft Lore or not. |
| 01:49.27 | ckknight | Tauren Druids weren't really part of WC3 at all |
| 01:50.19 | GenNMX|Thrae | ckknight: There was nothing in Warcraft Lore that said Taurens were never Druids. If you read the new Lore in the Tauren Druid Tents, they say the Taurens used to be Druids long, long ago. |
| 01:50.40 | ckknight | hrm |
| 01:50.51 | ckknight | okay, what is the deal with Gnome Warriors? |
| 01:50.54 | GenNMX|Thrae | I guess I should say, the Warcraft Lore isn't only just WC1-WC3. |
| 01:50.55 | ckknight | those don't make sense |
| 01:52.05 | GenNMX|Thrae | Gnomes stem from Dwarves, don't they? |
| 01:53.20 | Iriel | A Dwarf Murloc cross breed? |
| 01:53.35 | Anduin|Gone | i love the baby murloc noises |
| 01:53.45 | Iriel | I love the dance |
| 01:53.52 | Iriel | well, song+dance together |
| 01:53.57 | GenNMX|Thrae | Dwarf-Murloc: Mr*lgrl*gr*lm*rgl*r |
| 01:53.58 | Iriel | either one on its own isn't as good. |
| 01:55.14 | Anduin|Gone | don't you love looking back on code you wrote 6 months ago and being like... wtf was i thinking.. |
| 01:55.29 | GenNMX|Thrae | Ooooh yes Anduin... |
| 01:55.38 | GenNMX|Thrae | "Why am I using Singleton Pointers everywhere?!?!?!" |
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| 01:56.07 | Anduin|Gone | like this reorderChannels function i wrote... it's so rediculous.. |
| 01:56.12 | Iriel | Worse is looking back on code someone else wrote for you 6 months ago and being like... wtf were THEY thinking |
| 01:56.30 | Anduin|Gone | lol, at least you can blame that on someone else |
| 01:59.34 | Cairenn | oh oh oh ... "I think it could be done accurately. If only we had skilled modders." .... anyone else want to slam him or shall I do the honours? |
| 02:00.49 | GenNMX|Thrae | Cairenn: Best to be polite to that sort of person -- "Oh really? Give me an example." |
| 02:02.27 | GenNMX|Thrae | I find being polite defeats both the trolls and the people who just don't know WTF they're talking about. |
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| 02:10.32 | Wob | hrm, is livejournal down for anyone else? |
| 02:14.50 | Shadowd | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=324568&p=1&tmp=1#post324568 last post |
| 02:15.57 | Cairenn | indeed |
| 02:16.44 | Wobin_ | Oh. |
| 02:16.49 | Wobin_ | If only we had skilled modders. |
| 02:17.01 | Wobin_ | *frownyface* |
| 02:18.01 | zeeg | so if you're a skilled modder, help them |
| 02:18.04 | zeeg | he's not bashing everyone |
| 02:18.45 | Wobin_ | A moot point on my behalf =P |
| 02:19.04 | guillotine | oh, but we do |
| 02:19.10 | MentalPower | heh |
| 02:19.23 | guillotine | you must be an amazinlgy skilled modder to come up with a titan bar take-off |
| 02:19.23 | guillotine | and we have hundreds of those |
| 02:20.01 | Guillotine | (and I don't mean boss bar. I mean Titan Bar Revised 2 by me to do nothing different I just added my name to the credits) |
| 02:23.42 | cladhaire | Yay!!! Vael is down! |
| 02:23.48 | Cairenn | congrats |
| 02:23.57 | Shadowd | grats |
| 02:24.03 | Shadowd | Have fun with broodlord! |
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| 02:29.16 | Shadowd | For GetBattlefieldScore, the Wiki says that it returns the rank 0-14, but is this actually correct? I've used it a few times for my mod but it'll return stuff like 5 when it's impossible to have a standing over 3 in 20-29 WSG. |
| 02:30.15 | Shadowd | If that makes any sense |
| 02:34.08 | GenNMX|Thrae | I thought that was your rank in that particular battlefield session, not overall. |
| 02:35.56 | GenNMX|Thrae | There's a different function for returning your Honour rank, and Battlfields also rank by Honour gained in that BG session as well as Killing Blows, Objectives Completed, etc. |
| 02:39.57 | Shadowd | Yeah I found out what it was. The wiki says it returns your rank 0-14 but you actually need to call GetPVPRankInfo( <number returned from GetBattlefieldScore>, <faction> ); to get the real rank number/name. |
| 02:40.33 | ckknight | am I a "skilled modder"? |
| 02:41.00 | Wobin_ | I dunno, can you make that addon? |
| 02:41.08 | ckknight | which addon? |
| 02:41.53 | Shadowd | Just rename the header of DamageMeters from "Damage" to "Threat" and give him that |
| 02:44.18 | ckknight | lol |
| 02:44.29 | Wobin_ | oh ffs =( The great FireWall appears to have locked out LJ =( |
| 02:44.53 | Codayus | what he's describing isn't that hard, although it wouldn't be as helpful as he expects, due in large part to the special cases. Knockback, and so forth. For example. |
| 02:45.45 | Codayus | But the basic threat values of sunder, HS, and damage are well known. |
| 02:46.13 | Codayus | and there's a mod currently under development that does a pretty good job of exactly what he describes... |
| 02:46.22 | Codayus | but his attitude sucks. :-/ |
| 02:46.33 | Codayus | so I'm not going to post the link. :-) |
| 02:50.16 | MentalPower | ok another noobish lua syntax question, is: |
| 02:50.18 | MentalPower | if (itemInfo.type == "INVTYPE_WEAPONMAINHAND" or "INVTYPE_WEAPONOFFHAND") then |
| 02:50.20 | MentalPower | the same as: |
| 02:50.21 | MentalPower | if (itemInfo.type == "INVTYPE_WEAPONMAINHAND" or itemInfo.type == "INVTYPE_WEAPONOFFHAND") then |
| 02:50.23 | MentalPower | ? |
| 02:51.17 | GenNMX|Thrae | MentalPower: I don't think so. I believe if follows C syntax. |
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| 02:51.55 | MentalPower | well, I want to do the second, but was wondering if the first was also correct |
| 02:52.11 | GenNMX|Thrae | Although parentheses are not needed except when nesting logic ;) |
| 02:52.20 | Wobin_ | Yeah, I think you'll have to follow the second syntax |
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| 02:52.31 | GenNMX|Thrae | MentalPower: Like I said, it shouldn't be. |
| 02:52.40 | MentalPower | ok thanks |
| 02:52.55 | MentalPower | an I use parenthesis because they look pretty :) |
| 02:53.16 | MentalPower | s/an/and/ |
| 02:53.19 | ckknight | no they don't |
| 02:53.24 | ckknight | parentheses are not pretty. |
| 02:53.38 | ckknight | parentheses make baby Jesus cry |
| 02:53.41 | MentalPower | pp |
| 02:54.05 | ckknight | lol |
| 02:54.18 | GenNMX|Thrae | I think it's fun to use the features Lua presents to differ its syntax from popular languages of C, Java, PHP, and supposedly parse faster. |
| 02:56.00 | ckknight | hrm? |
| 02:56.02 | Corrodias | i have always loathed C/C++ |
| 02:56.08 | ckknight | C++ was my first language |
| 02:56.10 | ckknight | horrible |
| 02:56.14 | Corrodias | i used to "like" java but now i think i hate it too in favor of LUA and the like. |
| 02:56.15 | ckknight | C's not nearly as bad |
| 02:56.27 | Corrodias | two things i now have learned to hate: private data and strong types |
| 02:56.35 | ckknight | I love those |
| 02:56.39 | ckknight | I wish Lua had them |
| 02:56.56 | ckknight | just for security reasons |
| 02:57.14 | Corrodias | well... actually, i don't mind types so much |
| 02:57.18 | ckknight | there are times I don't want others messing with the internals of my objects |
| 02:57.19 | Corrodias | typecasting pointers is a blast |
| 02:57.30 | GenNMX|Thrae | Private data and strong typing are like apples and orranges |
| 02:57.40 | ckknight | I like fruit |
| 02:57.51 | Corrodias | you don't want others messing around with "your" data? but how can they? |
| 02:58.10 | GenNMX|Thrae | Strong typing makes sense in C/C++, it's a compiled language which can be close to the very internals of programming, or far away using OO. |
| 02:58.18 | Corrodias | i mean, once it's running on their computer, there's not much you have to do with it unless we start getting into poorly written authentication code |
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| 03:03.51 | ckknight | I like .NET |
| 03:09.20 | Iriel | If you hate private data, you're using the language wrong |
| 03:09.31 | Iriel | or you're working with someone else's badly written objects |
| 03:09.43 | ckknight | yea |
| 03:11.37 | Iriel | But dont think of them as 'protection' so much as 'unnecessary internal details' |
| 03:12.29 | Iriel | You can add (which other people need to keep their fingers out of) to the second part, if you want |
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| 03:15.18 | Cairenn | later Iriel, drive safe |
| 03:15.47 | Iriel | thanks |
| 03:15.59 | Iriel | Type safe! 8-) |
| 03:16.04 | Cairenn | heh |
| 03:16.06 | Guillotine | lol. what's with the spoon post? |
| 03:16.12 | Cairenn | why not? |
| 03:16.33 | Guillotine | I didn't ask why. I asked what |
| 03:16.44 | Cairenn | same diff :p |
| 03:16.50 | Guillotine | nerf spoons... |
| 03:17.05 | Cairenn | besides, I gave him a spork instead |
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| 03:19.42 | Kremonte | Welcome! is still spelled Weclome! on the portals on WoWI ._. |
| 03:19.52 | Cairenn | I know, I know |
| 03:19.56 | Kremonte | fix it! |
| 03:20.04 | Cairenn | I can't |
| 03:20.07 | Cairenn | Dolby has to |
| 03:20.11 | Kremonte | why can't you D: |
| 03:20.22 | Iriel | You should rename him to Dobly |
| 03:20.28 | Kremonte | rofl, good one |
| 03:38.33 | Wobin_ | I can never tell which of them is acting up =P |
| 03:39.08 | Cairenn | so out of curiosity Wobin_, why are you in China now? |
| 03:39.24 | Wobin_ | I'm learning Mandarin =) |
| 03:39.33 | Cairenn | neat |
| 03:39.36 | Wobin_ | (aka training to be a CGF) |
| 03:40.08 | Cairenn | CGF? |
| 03:40.16 | Wobin_ | Chinese Gold Farmer =) |
| 03:40.24 | Cairenn | bah |
| 03:40.31 | Wobin_ | WATA PLZ |
| 03:40.37 | SP|Sorren | there's no training necessary for that. You dont have to go through the trouble of learning chinese! |
| 03:40.47 | Wobin_ | I've been boning up on all the phrases =) |
| 03:40.54 | SP|Sorren | ;p |
| 03:41.24 | ckknight | you've got some serious boning ahead of you |
| 03:41.34 | Cairenn | so there via your work? or? |
| 03:42.08 | Wobin_ | No =) It's a personal quest atm. Racial guilt and all, with me being an australian born chinese and not knowing one of the dialects fluently |
| 03:42.28 | Cairenn | ah, okay |
| 03:42.28 | SP|Sorren | taiwans better, go to taiwan :P |
| 03:42.37 | SP|Sorren | jkjk ;o |
| 03:42.38 | Cairenn | was just curious |
| 03:43.01 | Wobin_ | Beijing isn't too bad at the moment (the moment being winter) |
| 03:43.04 | SP|Sorren | hmm, so do australian born chinese fall under ABC too? |
| 03:43.09 | Wobin_ | yep =) |
| 03:43.22 | SP|Sorren | im taking chinese next quarter ;< |
| 03:43.29 | SP|Sorren | its going to suck, its like 9AM and 5 days a week lol |
| 03:43.32 | ckknight | Asian women are hot |
| 03:43.38 | ckknight | American Born Chinese |
| 03:43.39 | SP|Sorren | stupid racial guilt |
| 03:44.10 | Wobin_ | hehe |
| 03:44.22 | Wobin_ | Last semester, it was 8am-12 then 2-4pm =P |
| 03:44.26 | Wobin_ | 5 days |
| 03:44.30 | SP|Sorren | 2 hours a day? |
| 03:44.32 | SP|Sorren | er |
| 03:44.35 | SP|Sorren | thats like |
| 03:44.38 | SP|Sorren | much more than 2 hours |
| 03:44.38 | SP|Sorren | haha |
| 03:44.41 | Wobin_ | 6 =) |
| 03:44.48 | Wobin_ | It was insane |
| 03:44.55 | SP|Sorren | did you learn a lot of chinese? |
| 03:45.00 | Wobin_ | This semester I'm dropping down to four hours a day |
| 03:45.04 | Wobin_ | oh yes. |
| 03:45.07 | Wobin_ | definitely so |
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| 03:45.25 | Wobin_ | but by midsemester, the majority of us were tending towards burnout =P |
| 03:45.32 | Wobin_ | the afternoon class was just... useless |
| 03:45.40 | SP|Sorren | i'd burn out fast at 6 hours a day lol |
| 03:46.05 | SP|Sorren | four hours sounds more managable, but still way too much :) |
| 03:46.28 | Wobin_ | four hours gives you the afternoon to study =) (and or work) |
| 03:48.01 | SP|Sorren | ive been trying to conjure up how to say 'dedicated' in chinese, but i dont know if i've ever heard it or not haha |
| 03:48.48 | Cairenn | so, if you don't mind my continuing to pester you with questions (tell me to go pound sand if you do mind) ... what's with the "racial guilt" thing? I mean, how is it your fault that you were born outside China? why should you be feeling some sort of guilt? |
| 03:49.11 | Wobin_ | Heh, it's a very chinese thing. |
| 03:49.15 | SP|Sorren | ^ |
| 03:49.19 | Wobin_ | ps SP|Sorren? |
| 03:49.22 | Cairenn | as I said, trying to understand :p |
| 03:49.28 | SP|Sorren | hm? |
| 03:49.31 | Wobin_ | ~x en zh dedicated |
| 03:49.44 | SP|Sorren | o.O |
| 03:49.59 | ckknight | ping pong! |
| 03:50.02 | SP|Sorren | lol |
| 03:50.44 | SP|Sorren | Cairenn: chinese parents condition their children to feel guilty when they dont understand what they're saying in chinese, because they're chinese too |
| 03:50.46 | SP|Sorren | or something |
| 03:51.04 | Wobin_ | aye, in a way |
| 03:51.09 | Cairenn | why? |
| 03:51.20 | SP|Sorren | and there's that 'pride' in being chinese, and you cant be proud if you dont even know the language :p |
| 03:51.47 | Wobin_ | My issue was that my parents speak Cantonese, but my cantonese isn't fluent enough to survive in a place like, say Hong Kong (speaking chinese) |
| 03:51.47 | SP|Sorren | frankly, i dunno |
| 03:51.56 | Cairenn | well, if the child is raised from birth speaking chinese in the home, then what's the problem? and if they weren't, then who is at fault? |
| 03:52.01 | Wobin_ | There's a whole lot in there about 'face' as well =) |
| 03:52.09 | Cairenn | I can understand that part |
| 03:52.22 | SP|Sorren | well, my parents spoke chinese to me when i was young :P |
| 03:52.28 | SP|Sorren | i however, only speak a little bit back |
| 03:52.33 | SP|Sorren | and can read diddly squat |
| 03:53.22 | SP|Sorren | some how my cousins all speak perfect chinese too, so i cant not speak chinese! :P |
| 03:53.31 | Wobin_ | I felt that learning Mandarin from scratch would be infinitely easier than learning Cantonese from a certain amount of knowledge. Only due to the teaching methods available for them btw |
| 03:53.33 | Cairenn | I've got neighbours who are Chinese, their daughter is as fluent in Chinese as she is in English, and takes classes on the weekend for the reading/writing part |
| 03:53.46 | SP|Sorren | the weekend classes aren't very good |
| 03:53.50 | SP|Sorren | or at least the ones i went to |
| 03:54.05 | Wobin_ | Family become very proud if the children can speak/write/read chinese well |
| 03:54.10 | SP|Sorren | ^ |
| 03:54.14 | Cairenn | and their parents come over from China every summer |
| 03:54.15 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Crispix (n=Crispy@c-24-7-241-103.hsd1.in.comcast.net) |
| 03:54.40 | Wobin_ | My grandfather loves the fact that I'm over here, trying to learn =) |
| 03:54.57 | Wobin_ | I guess it's a level of maintaining the racial heritage |
| 03:55.06 | Cairenn | I am *not* trying to be insulting, in any way, and if I am, please accept my apologies and explain to me that it is an insult and how/why ... I'm trying to learn and understand ... something the world needs a lot more of, imo |
| 03:55.26 | Wobin_ | oh no, we understand how hard it is to understand chinese thinking =) |
| 03:55.27 | SP|Sorren | you're not being insulitng ;p |
| 03:55.31 | ckknight | I don't get the whole racial heritage thing |
| 03:55.41 | SP|Sorren | chinese people are crazy, so we dont expect the rest of the world to understand. |
| 03:55.43 | Wobin_ | Chinese as a whole are a very... hiveminded sort |
| 03:55.45 | ckknight | I guess because caucasians lost ours when the factories came in |
| 03:55.54 | Cairenn | I *do* understand it to a large degree ... |
| 03:56.01 | Crispix | ello everyone |
| 03:56.05 | SP|Sorren | hiya |
| 03:56.06 | ckknight | hey |
| 03:56.07 | Wobin_ | 'lo Crispy |
| 03:56.11 | Cairenn | my links to my heritage are *very* strong |
| 03:56.14 | Cairenn | hi Crispix |
| 03:56.47 | SP|Sorren | speaking chinese is a good bit of our heritage, so we feel bad when we cant speak it |
| 03:56.47 | Cairenn | hey Crispix, Guillotine wants to know what's up with the spoon :p |
| 03:56.58 | SP|Sorren | that would be part of the racial guilt ;p |
| 03:57.24 | Wobin_ | Also, as with any language, if you understand the language, you're well on your way to understanding the people better |
| 03:57.28 | Crispix | Cairenn, you mean .. he's never heard of Crispix?? :O |
| 03:57.29 | Cairenn | SP|Sorren: I can understand that, but I still don't get how there is guilt involved on your end ... if you weren't raised to speak/read/write it, whose fault is that? |
| 03:57.40 | Cairenn | Wobin_: indeed |
| 03:57.46 | SP|Sorren | mine, because i didnt put any effort into it when i was younger :P |
| 03:57.47 | Wobin_ | Ultimately the childs =) |
| 03:57.49 | Wobin_ | If they don't do anything about it |
| 03:58.12 | Wobin_ | It's more that the parents -do- make an effort to teach. |
| 03:58.14 | Cairenn | it isn't the responsibility of the parents to teach it to them? |
| 03:58.21 | Wobin_ | Just that a lot of the children are stubborn bastards =P |
| 03:58.28 | SP|Sorren | i absolutely hated chinese when i was younger, they sent me to chinese school every saturday and stuff |
| 03:58.29 | Cairenn | yeah, well, aren't all kids? |
| 03:58.47 | Cairenn | SP|Sorren: aye, that's the same as my neighbours and their daughter |
| 03:58.55 | Wobin_ | I failed so miserably =P |
| 03:59.06 | SP|Sorren | it wasn't very good, and coupled with the fact that i really didnt care then |
| 03:59.09 | SP|Sorren | i learned about nothing :P |
| 03:59.18 | Cairenn | Crispix: he is EU, so possibly he hasn't, actually |
| 03:59.19 | Wobin_ | It seems a common theme =P |
| 03:59.49 | Wobin_ | Hehe, almost anything with the suffix -ix brings to mind breakfast goods (except suffix) |
| 03:59.57 | futrtrubl | Cairenn: wowi request, could you put the Search Files button at the top of the page instead of the bottom? |
| 04:00.04 | Crispix | Guillotine.... Crispix is a brand of Kellogg's cereal, described by the company as a "[s]weetened multi-grain cereal." Its box boasts its unique composition, of "Corn on One Side, Rice on the Other". |
| 04:00.07 | futrtrubl | well, could Dolby.... |
| 04:00.21 | Cairenn | futrtrubl: ?? |
| 04:00.28 | Wobin_ | Isn't it already? |
| 04:00.29 | Cairenn | top bar of the site |
| 04:00.31 | Crispix | Aka.. it's damn tasty stuff :D |
| 04:00.39 | SP|Sorren | never heard of it before ;O |
| 04:00.41 | Cairenn | FAQ, Search, Quick Links ... |
| 04:00.57 | ckknight | I like Crispix |
| 04:01.04 | Crispix | :"> |
| 04:01.10 | Crispix | Sorry.. I have a gf :) |
| 04:01.20 | futrtrubl | hmmm, that search button only takes me to the forum search |
| 04:01.23 | SP|Sorren | i dont think kellogs markets crispix much here ;O |
| 04:01.28 | Wobin_ | I bet she likes Crispix too =P |
| 04:01.33 | Crispix | They do around here..... |
| 04:01.44 | Wobin_ | click on the downarrow, fut |
| 04:01.49 | Cairenn | futrtrubl: it's a drop down, searches both forums and downloads |
| 04:01.50 | Crispix | I'm, thinking about taking a picture of me with a box of it, grining cheesy like |
| 04:01.56 | SP|Sorren | lol |
| 04:02.01 | futrtrubl | I can't get a drop down to show... |
| 04:02.04 | Wobin_ | wearing nothing but the box? =P |
| 04:02.11 | Crispix | LOL |
| 04:02.22 | Crispix | maybe I should buy a whole bunch and make armor of crispix boxes |
| 04:02.29 | Cairenn | futrtrubl: post in the site bug forum please? with your browser info and stuff |
| 04:02.44 | Wobin_ | I think FF sometimes loses the javascript |
| 04:02.49 | Cairenn | what o/s & browser *are* you using, anyway? |
| 04:02.54 | Wobin_ | reloading the page often helps |
| 04:03.17 | Guillotine | crispix: lol. why the "Guillotine.... Crispix is a brand of Kellogg's cereal, described by the company as a "[s]weetened multi-grain cereal." Its box boasts its unique composition, of "Corn on One Side, Rice on the Other"."? |
| 04:03.41 | Cairenn | Guillotine: you were asking why the spoon |
| 04:03.45 | Cairenn | he was explaining :p |
| 04:03.46 | futrtrubl | Xp and FF |
| 04:03.58 | Guillotine | ahhh |
| 04:03.59 | Cairenn | futrtrubl: odd, should be working for you .... |
| 04:04.10 | Wobin_ | Why a spoon, cousin? Why not a knife? |
| 04:04.20 | Cairenn | because it'll hurt more, you idiot! |
| 04:04.27 | Crispix | ..*sigh* No one revived my thread: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-suggestions&t=711493&tmp=1#post711493 |
| 04:04.34 | Wobin_ | Best Sherrif Ever =) |
| 04:04.35 | futrtrubl | sometimes it does now, but it fails randomly, not for certain pages |
| 04:04.51 | Wobin_ | +f |
| 04:05.04 | Wobin_ | -r? |
| 04:05.31 | Cairenn | futrtrubl: as I said, post in the bug forum, give as much detail as to when/where/how it isn't working, help Dolby track down the bug (if there is one, and it isn't just that you suck) |
| 04:06.14 | futrtrubl | fine, I suck. Happy?! |
| 04:06.24 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 04:06.37 | Cairenn | personally, no, but I'm sure there are some guys out there that would be happy to hear it ... |
| 04:06.43 | futrtrubl | let me try it some more and see if I can get a pattern |
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| 04:24.11 | Crispix | oops.... |
| 04:27.32 | Guillotine | its ok Crispix. getting D/C happens to the best of us |
| 04:27.41 | Guillotine | infact, the better you are, the more often you're D/C |
| 04:27.48 | Guillotine | that's why I'm d/c every couple minutes |
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| 04:29.29 | Guillotine | if you agree with me and you're psychic, roll your eyes or log on |
| 04:29.36 | Guillotine | wow! both Cairenn and zeeg agree with me! |
| 04:29.56 | Cairenn | ~whaleslap Guillotine |
| 04:29.58 | purl | ACTION beats Guillotine upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 04:30.02 | zeeg | ? |
| 04:30.05 | zeeg | O.o |
| 04:30.14 | zeeg | x3 has to be the buggiest game ever |
| 04:30.22 | Guillotine | Crispixoops.... |
| 04:30.23 | Guillotine | Guillotineits ok Crispix. getting D/C happens to the best of us |
| 04:30.25 | Guillotine | Guillotineinfact, the better you are, the more often you're D/C |
| 04:30.26 | Guillotine | Guillotinethat's why I'm d/c every couple minutes |
| 04:30.30 | Guillotine | thats what you agreed with zeeg |
| 04:30.33 | zeeg | oh |
| 04:30.35 | zeeg | i dont play wow |
| 04:30.38 | zeeg | so i dont get d/c'd |
| 04:30.46 | zeeg | but that doesnt mean i suck at it ;P |
| 04:30.52 | futrtrubl | he meant d/ced from IRC |
| 04:31.18 | zeeg | oh |
| 04:31.23 | zeeg | i didnt d/c i rebooted |
| 04:31.27 | zeeg | :P |
| 04:31.38 | Cairenn | zeeg: nm, you completely missed the point :p |
| 04:31.43 | zeeg | adadfljad;lkad |
| 04:31.43 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 04:31.51 | zeeg | obviously |
| 04:32.24 | futrtrubl | hmmm... ui.wow's UI Central has quite a few issues |
| 04:33.37 | Wobin_ | btw SP|Sorren? Devoted, according to purl is re4chen2 or enthusiastic |
| 04:33.41 | zeeg | lol |
| 04:33.46 | zeeg | that ticker is so fuzzy trying to read it |
| 04:46.42 | futrtrubl | there he goes again |
| 04:49.27 | zeeg | oh thats why |
| 04:49.28 | zeeg | hes using chatzilla |
| 04:49.36 | Wobin_ | bah now he's just showing off =P |
| 04:56.01 | SP|Sorren | my pinyin is bad ;o |
| 04:57.16 | Wobin_ | down then up |
| 04:57.36 | SP|Sorren | thats not what im having trouble with ;) |
| 04:57.46 | Wobin_ | hehe =) |
| 04:57.59 | SP|Sorren | either that or i've never heard it before, which is also possible, since my chinese sucks |
| 04:58.49 | Wobin_ | devoted, according to my dictionary, though, is xian4shen1 |
| 04:58.56 | Wobin_ | (de) |
| 05:00.40 | SP|Sorren | nite |
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| 05:24.33 | futrtrubl | sorry to ask, but what's a good bank mod? |
| 05:24.52 | Cairenn | for what purpose? |
| 05:25.00 | futrtrubl | all in one type thing |
| 05:25.03 | Cairenn | to be able to see your other characters banks, etc? |
| 05:25.12 | futrtrubl | that too |
| 05:25.44 | futrtrubl | I have CHaractersViewer for other peoples banks actually |
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| 05:25.58 | Cairenn | that was what I was gonna recommend |
| 05:26.10 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 05:26.58 | futrtrubl | then I just need something to combine all my bank bags, since enginv doesn't |
| 05:27.22 | Cairenn | could also take a look at OneBag: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4207 |
| 05:27.49 | Cairenn | don't know how it'll interact with CharacterViewer |
| 05:28.45 | Cairenn | take a look at Bagnon: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4459 |
| 05:29.39 | futrtrubl | OneBag looks interesting, I just hope it doesn't interfere with enginv |
| 05:29.49 | Cairenn | couple suggestions to look at, from my site, lots of others at the other sites I'm sure |
| 05:30.16 | Wobin_ | I always thought enginv basically took over the bag interface |
| 05:30.50 | futrtrubl | nags yes, but not bank... ahh one bag is too mods, one for bags and the one I want for bank |
| 05:31.24 | futrtrubl | lordy my typing and spelling both suck |
| 05:38.11 | futrtrubl | hmmm, now do I dump titan for Boss Pannel? |
| 05:38.24 | ckknight | magic! |
| 05:38.33 | Wobin_ | now, not how =P |
| 05:38.38 | futrtrubl | what is? |
| 05:38.44 | Cairenn | just remember that Boss is still in Beta |
| 05:38.47 | ckknight | yea |
| 05:38.58 | ckknight | probably for like another week |
| 05:39.01 | ckknight | I'm gonna guess |
| 05:39.20 | Cairenn | think you've just about got it stable now? |
| 05:39.33 | ckknight | yea, pretty much |
| 05:39.43 | ckknight | the API is essentially stable |
| 05:39.48 | ckknight | which is really what matters |
| 05:39.53 | ckknight | because BossPanel is a platform |
| 05:40.02 | Cairenn | figured you must be getting close, you aren't uploading to the site every 5 minutes now :p |
| 05:40.21 | futrtrubl | cool, that means I can start making BEB for Boss |
| 05:40.32 | GenNMX|Thrae | Cairenn needs a SVN ;) |
| 05:40.42 | ckknight | BEB? |
| 05:40.57 | futrtrubl | ~beb |
| 05:40.58 | purl | hmm... beb is BasicExperienceBar, a highly configurable WoW XP bar addon. Find it at http://beb.edowner.net or at your favorite WoW addon site. |
| 05:40.58 | ckknight | yea, if you make a plugin now, it'll likely work when I release 1.0 |
| 05:41.00 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 05:41.12 | Wobin_ | It's more the approval that takes time =P |
| 05:41.31 | Cairenn | Wobin_: ? |
| 05:42.07 | Cairenn | GenNMX|Thrae: don't hold your breath, but you also never know ... |
| 05:42.10 | MentalPower | gnight guys |
| 05:42.14 | ckknight | cya |
| 05:42.19 | Cairenn | night MentalPower, sweet dreams |
| 05:42.38 | MentalPower | thanks Cairenn |
| 05:42.53 | futrtrubl | later MentalPower |
| 05:42.55 | Cairenn | :) |
| 05:43.01 | Wobin_ | Cairenn: I figured it's the need to approve of each upload that takes the time. I'm not sure if a SVN would help that issue? |
| 05:43.21 | GenNMX|Thrae | Cairenn: What about a DB link to an external SVN that just tells you what version it is, and gives a disclaimer -- "This site is not part of WoW Interface and we cannot be held responsible for what it contains blah blah blah blah" |
| 05:43.44 | futrtrubl | what is an SVN? |
| 05:43.49 | Cairenn | naw, I was referring to how fast and furious he was releasing updates over the last little while |
| 05:43.51 | Wobin_ | Subversion |
| 05:44.00 | futrtrubl | which is.....? |
| 05:44.02 | Wobin_ | It's a sort of a version control system |
| 05:44.23 | GenNMX|Thrae | Obviously the idea wouldn't be to just allow such a thing willy-nilly, just instead of needing to accept every single upload for certain users, you allow them to use an outside link. |
| 05:44.34 | GenNMX|Thrae | s/certain users/certain trusted users |
| 05:44.40 | Cairenn | futrtrubl: The goal of the Subversion project is to build a version control system that is a compelling replacement for CVS in the open source community. The software is released under an Apache/BSD-style open source license. |
| 05:44.47 | ckknight | SVN is nice |
| 05:44.57 | Wobin_ | hrm |
| 05:45.03 | Wobin_ | ~wtf SVN |
| 05:45.09 | Wobin_ | aw |
| 05:45.13 | GenNMX|Thrae | ~SVN |
| 05:45.15 | purl | well, subversion is version control software. see http://subversion.tigris.org/ it aims to be a better CVS than CVS. |
| 05:45.15 | futrtrubl | ~wtf CVS |
| 05:45.18 | Cairenn | http://subversion.tigris.org/ |
| 05:45.21 | Cairenn | :p |
| 05:45.31 | Cairenn | that's where I was quoting from |
| 05:46.11 | ckknight | SVN is just like CVS only it fixes a few issues |
| 05:46.23 | ScytheBlade1 | And it can run over SSL'd HTTP. |
| 05:46.23 | ckknight | such as directory versioning and suc |
| 05:46.25 | ckknight | such* |
| 05:46.25 | Cairenn | CVS is a version control system, an important component of Source Configuration Management (SCM). Using it, you can record the history of sources files, and documents. It fills a similar role to the free software RCS, PRCS, and Aegis packages. |
| 05:46.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Which, is amazing. |
| 05:46.33 | Cairenn | http://www.nongnu.org/cvs/ |
| 05:46.33 | GenNMX|Thrae | Anyway, back on point, I think it would be a boon to credited authors to allow them to just link to a SVN / CVS / etc. instead of needing to go through the same hoops as everyone else on WoWI. |
| 05:47.14 | GenNMX|Thrae | I may not qualify, but someone like, say, Kaelten might, or that dude that makes those funky UIs. James Elffie-Elfiton. |
| 05:47.18 | futrtrubl | what if we go feral..... ;'] |
| 05:47.26 | Cairenn | GenNMX|Thrae: as I said, don't hold your breath, but you also never know |
| 05:47.35 | Wobin_ | They'll ask you to respec into Balance =P |
| 05:47.42 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
| 05:48.41 | futrtrubl | out with the Titan in with the Boss. |
| 05:49.10 | Cairenn | and GenNMX|Thrae, our FAs don't have to "jump through the same hoops as everyone else" ;) |
| 05:49.24 | GenNMX|Thrae | Oh yeah, forgot about the FAs. |
| 05:49.44 | Wobin_ | They set the hoops on fire for more drama =) |
| 05:49.46 | ckknight | oh, and the upcoming BossPanel updates won't wipe your settings |
| 05:50.00 | Cairenn | ckknight: \o/ |
| 05:50.11 | GenNMX|Thrae | That's what I'm talking about -- I like a mod that doesn't wipe all of my settings. |
| 05:50.16 | ckknight | well, 0.4.9 and upward |
| 05:50.26 | ckknight | if you upgrading from that, it won't wipe |
| 05:50.29 | GenNMX|Thrae | Especially one which doesn't throw swear words at me while wiping my settings. |
| 05:50.34 | ckknight | but if you're upgrading from 0.4.8 and below, it will |
| 05:51.37 | ckknight | essentially, I'm in the last stage before stable |
| 05:51.55 | ckknight | so it should be bugfixing thus far |
| 05:52.05 | ckknight | and feature requests that don't change the API |
| 05:53.48 | futrtrubl | that's what I get for being a late adopter, I don't get my stamp on the API :( |
| 05:54.02 | ckknight | stamp? |
| 05:54.14 | ckknight | really, if you think of something soon, I'll include it |
| 05:54.25 | futrtrubl | no, I was kidding ;'] |
| 05:54.32 | ckknight | okay |
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| 05:55.08 | ckknight | also, it may be possible that I may add something to the API |
| 05:55.08 | futrtrubl | I don't think I want anything added, I disliked Titan because of the stuff I had to code arround |
| 05:55.20 | ckknight | ? |
| 05:55.35 | ckknight | how do you mean? |
| 05:56.13 | futrtrubl | when making BEB Titan, was a pain. can't remember exactly what now.... oh the tooltips were a pain |
| 05:56.40 | ckknight | tooltip is reasonably easy with BossPanel |
| 05:57.01 | ckknight | you just do BossPanelTooltip:AddLine("text") |
| 05:57.03 | ckknight | and such |
| 05:57.38 | futrtrubl | thing is that I'll probably have BEB handle the tooltip and button text and such, just need it to position the button correctly ;'] |
| 05:57.56 | ckknight | I still don't understand the situation, I think |
| 05:58.27 | futrtrubl | I probably didn't either, which could have cause any problems I had |
| 05:58.52 | ckknight | positioning isn't handled by the plugin at all |
| 05:59.08 | ckknight | least not manually |
| 05:59.22 | futrtrubl | I was trying to have Titan handle my saved vars too, which was probably my biggest problem |
| 05:59.43 | futrtrubl | exactly, positioning is about the only thing I need the pannel to handle |
| 05:59.47 | ckknight | BossPanel sorta does it, if you want it to |
| 05:59.50 | Tain | The problem was Titan insisted on handling your saved vars, if you tried not to you'd end up with more problems. |
| 05:59.54 | ckknight | but it's not, um, bad. |
| 06:00.07 | ckknight | you can have a db-less plugin |
| 06:00.08 | Tain | Or if you didn't do your save vars in exactly the right format Titan wouldn't save them. |
| 06:00.28 | ckknight | hrm |
| 06:01.02 | ckknight | well, it's recommended you use self.data, self.charData, self.classData, self.realmData, or self.fullData, depending on your situation |
| 06:01.07 | futrtrubl | and it had problems with tabled vars, I could never get it to set defaults properly and updating for new savced vars never worked right.... |
| 06:01.12 | ckknight | but if you want to do it yourself, they won't get in the way at all |
| 06:01.27 | Tain | Well, off the top of my head at least. There could be more to it, I just remember one var being off and it would save or restore any of your save vars. |
| 06:01.42 | Tain | s/it would/it would not/ |
| 06:01.42 | futrtrubl | that's why I'm liking the look of Boss |
| 06:02.31 | ckknight | I try to make it so a lot of things are optional |
| 06:02.33 | futrtrubl | will I have to follow naming conventions for anything in Boss? |
| 06:02.39 | ckknight | you don't have to |
| 06:02.41 | ckknight | but I recommend it |
| 06:03.20 | ckknight | it should work fine if you do it your own way |
| 06:03.44 | futrtrubl | BEB follows its own conventions and it's much more dificult if I use something else |
| 06:04.01 | ckknight | okay |
| 06:04.05 | ckknight | that's fine, then |
| 06:04.09 | futrtrubl | cool |
| 06:14.10 | futrtrubl | g'night guys |
| 06:14.14 | Cairenn | night futrtrubl |
| 06:14.18 | ckknight | cya |
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| 06:24.06 | Wobin_ | hrm, these Penny Arcade strips for WoW are entertaining in that they're PA strips... but the humour in most of them is escaping me |
| 06:24.17 | Iriel | Some of them are funnier in context of the guide |
| 06:24.42 | Wobin_ | hm I shall have a look! =) |
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| 06:58.13 | Tem | holy crap |
| 06:58.18 | Tem | I've had IRC off almost all day |
| 06:58.23 | Tem | how did I live? |
| 06:58.30 | Wob | omg withdrawal =) |
| 07:00.37 | Kremonte | erm, is it possible to trigger an event? outside of ace |
| 07:55.10 | Tem | any java people here? |
| 07:55.48 | Tem | bah, where's Iriel when you need him |
| 07:56.07 | Cairenn | sleeping ... something you should be doing too, at this hour |
| 07:56.28 | Tem | bah |
| 07:56.33 | Tem | well... I guess |
| 07:56.38 | Tem | ug fine |
| 07:56.40 | Cairenn | heh |
| 07:56.48 | Tem|Sleep | I'm not getting anywhere anyway |
| 07:56.51 | Cairenn | night Tem, sweet dreams |
| 07:56.54 | Tem|Sleep | night Cairenn |
| 08:03.42 | id` | mornin |
| 08:03.47 | Cairenn | hi id` |
| 08:03.54 | id` | ckknight: got around to trying idAutoAttack? :P |
| 08:03.59 | id` | ckknight: ^_____^ |
| 08:05.18 | id` | Wah so weird, I dreamt that I was snowboarding,, |
| 08:05.22 | id` | and then i was drunk |
| 08:05.28 | id` | _really_ drunk |
| 08:05.57 | id` | and then when i woke up there was this hot HOT HOT!! chick in my bed, smiling at me |
| 08:06.01 | id` | but then i woke up again |
| 08:06.38 | Cairenn | sounds like you should have stayed asleep |
| 08:06.47 | id` | yah |
| 08:06.54 | id` | but maybe it was a vision |
| 08:06.57 | id` | of next week |
| 08:06.58 | id` | :D |
| 08:07.15 | id` | cant wait :P |
| 08:08.01 | id` | I'm ... how do you say that in englishl very very excited.. |
| 08:08.09 | id` | ah, ecstatic |
| 08:08.10 | id` | \o/ |
| 08:08.12 | id` | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:08.14 | id` | / \ |
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| 09:33.27 | id` | http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/2748/untitled6rg.png |
| 09:33.28 | id` | ms paint powerrrrrrr |
| 09:34.48 | Elkano | needs more raytracing ;) |
| 09:34.59 | id` | raytracing? :P |
| 09:36.03 | id` | Ray tracing is a general technique from geometrical optics of studying the path taken by light by following rays of light as they interact with optical surfaces. Its primary applications are in 3D computer graphics, where scenes are rendered by following rays from the eyepoint to light sources, and in the design of optical systems, such as camera lenses, microscopes, telescopes and binoculars. |
| 09:36.11 | id` | ~whaleslap Elkano |
| 09:36.14 | purl | ACTION beats Elkano upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 09:37.13 | Elkano | well, I'll have to write a test about that in ca. 3h :/ |
| 09:38.51 | id` | :O |
| 09:38.56 | id` | what kind of edu do you do? |
| 09:39.11 | Elkano | cs |
| 09:39.30 | id` | Counter Strike? |
| 09:39.31 | id` | xD |
| 09:39.36 | id` | ok.. lame.. |
| 09:42.05 | Elkano | well, we are used to this 'joke' :/ |
| 09:44.16 | id` | then don't say CS |
| 09:44.25 | id` | i have no idea what cs means |
| 09:44.26 | id` | :p' |
| 09:44.36 | id` | should i? :D |
| 09:46.05 | Wobin_ | Computer Science? |
| 09:46.45 | Wobin_ | I remember writing a raytracer |
| 09:46.50 | Wobin_ | It was painful |
| 09:46.55 | Wobin_ | (Well, the maths was) |
| 09:47.22 | id` | Wobin_: so do they drop computers off buildings and measure shit? |
| 09:47.45 | Wobin_ | kinda =P |
| 09:47.45 | id` | When I say that i do MediaTechnology nobody knows what I do |
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| 09:47.57 | id` | (i'm actually a porn star) |
| 09:48.02 | id` | so yeah |
| 09:48.02 | id` | :p |
| 09:48.09 | Wobin_ | What's your pornstar name? |
| 09:48.22 | Wobin_ | Indiana Bones? |
| 09:48.28 | Elkano | well, I could have used the German term 'Informatik', but that wouldn't have helped you either, would it? |
| 09:49.07 | id` | Elkano: that's my point |
| 09:49.13 | id` | Elkano: so describe it lol :P |
| 09:49.35 | Wobin_ | Information Technology |
| 09:53.54 | Elkano | well, hard to describe :/ it's about coding... but mainly wrt algorithems, data structures and so on... sou you don't learn how to code but instead how to code better |
| 09:54.52 | Wobin_ | It gives you an understanding on how the various languages work |
| 09:55.02 | Wobin_ | So you can apply your knowledge to any language that comes along |
| 09:55.09 | Wobin_ | All you need to do is learn the syntax |
| 09:57.19 | id` | coolio |
| 09:57.22 | id` | :P |
| 09:57.36 | id` | well um i learnt how to make an array last year |
| 09:58.00 | id` | :| |
| 09:58.09 | Wobin_ | It's a start =) |
| 09:58.41 | id` | well i was busy with html when i was 10 |
| 09:58.54 | id` | php at 13 |
| 09:58.58 | id` | etc |
| 09:59.00 | id` | :P |
| 09:59.00 | Elkano | fun starts when kd-trees and such stuff make their apperance... ;) |
| 09:59.04 | Wobin_ | scripting languages =P |
| 09:59.16 | Wobin_ | although php can be kinda OO |
| 09:59.21 | id` | yes wib, never done 'programming' |
| 09:59.28 | id` | wob* |
| 09:59.34 | Wobin_ | Just never go into ColdFusion =P |
| 09:59.41 | id` | nevarrr |
| 09:59.42 | id` | :P |
| 09:59.43 | Wobin_ | Now -that- is an abomination unto man =P |
| 09:59.58 | id` | yesterday I did some stuff in ruby on rails |
| 10:00.00 | id` | fun |
| 10:00.11 | id` | i work with ASP/Jscript ant my internship |
| 10:00.19 | id` | making lame templates |
| 10:00.22 | id` | www.pv.nl |
| 10:00.23 | Wobin_ | .Net is better =) |
| 10:00.24 | id` | like that |
| 10:00.29 | id` | Jscript.net isnt |
| 10:00.36 | id` | i'd use C# |
| 10:00.37 | id` | :P |
| 10:00.38 | Wobin_ | true |
| 10:00.44 | Wobin_ | As would I |
| 10:00.56 | id` | But the company works with Jscript... |
| 10:01.15 | id` | big cms so the product is there, its a small company so theres no real need for upgrading to .net |
| 10:01.34 | Wobin_ | bah, no principles =P |
| 10:01.47 | id` | all i do is make templates, loop here query there, and make some data model in the db for functionality this that |
| 10:01.50 | id` | boring :P |
| 10:01.52 | id` | blah |
| 10:02.01 | id` | internship lasts 10 months, crazy ... |
| 10:02.20 | Wobin_ | write addons in your spare time =) |
| 10:02.25 | Wobin_ | That's what AL is doing =P |
| 10:02.36 | id` | I do, but not at 'work' |
| 10:02.41 | id` | theres always more work :( |
| 10:02.48 | id` | I'm doing the 4 year edu in 3 years tho |
| 10:02.54 | id` | so i can move on to the next |
| 10:03.18 | id` | where ill learn OO with java and C++ and meybe stuff like scheme |
| 10:03.23 | id` | dont have time for all that now |
| 10:03.56 | id` | too much languages = me creating fudge code that has stuff from everything in it |
| 10:03.59 | id` | :P |
| 10:04.01 | id` | too many* |
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| 12:15.49 | Anduin|Gone | heh, speaking of moddding at work i think I updated like 5 mods today... 1.10 and beyond |
| 12:16.26 | Anduin|Gone | There's always more to do, but if you space it out enough it still looks like you're working. |
| 12:16.57 | Anduin|Gone | And heck, I get to code QA addons so if I have any addon code up at all it LOOKS like im working.. |
| 12:17.47 | Elkano | so you are now working physicaly at Blizzard? |
| 12:18.17 | Anduin|Gone | right |
| 12:19.27 | Elkano | well, for me, I think, that would mean having to move to Paris or, even worse, America :/ |
| 12:19.51 | Anduin|Gone | lucky for me the offices are a mile from my apt |
| 12:20.15 | Elkano | but on the other hand, it sounds like 'fun' to actually work in a company like Blizzard |
| 12:22.47 | Anduin|Gone | fun was the goal. I'm not in it for the $ |
| 12:24.14 | krka|work | i'm telling on you! |
| 12:24.23 | Anduin|Gone | to who? |
| 12:24.25 | Elkano | I think Blizzard has a lot of workers that aren't there for cash in first place :) on the other hand, I think Blizzard doesn't pay that bad, do they? |
| 12:24.25 | krka|work | but you get to test 1.10 stuff now? that's cheating :( |
| 12:25.04 | Anduin|Gone | $8.50/hr temp position entry level ain't bad at all |
| 12:25.45 | Elkano | hmm, I'm getting 8€/h but limited to 400€ a month |
| 12:25.45 | Anduin|Gone | definitely beats most every other place $6.75 cali min wage |
| 12:26.43 | Anduin|Gone | $400/mo? cause 400 hours is pretty illegal |
| 12:27.12 | krka|work | huh? |
| 12:27.24 | krka|work | that would mean 50 hours |
| 12:28.04 | Anduin|Gone | it would mean 13+ hrs/day no days off |
| 12:28.51 | Anduin|Gone | or 20hrs/day 5days/week |
| 12:28.58 | Elkano | € -> euros |
| 12:29.12 | Elkano | irc seems not to like the euro char |
| 12:29.19 | Anduin|Gone | ah |
| 12:30.12 | Anduin|Gone | 8euros is about $9? I'm not current on the exchance rate |
| 12:31.40 | Elkano | 1€ = ~ 1.19$ |
| 12:32.01 | Elkano | so would be about $9.5 |
| 12:45.36 | JoshBorke | hm, i learned scheme first at my college... |
| 12:46.29 | Anduin|Gone | scheme is dumb... |
| 12:46.59 | JoshBorke | yea, i wasn't too thrilled about the language |
| 12:48.25 | Wobin_ | What is scheme? |
| 12:51.11 | JoshBorke | a procedural programming languange based on lisp |
| 12:51.24 | Anduin|Gone | which is equally as evil |
| 12:51.27 | Anduin|Gone | only older |
| 12:51.55 | JoshBorke | it's the parens i tell ya, the parens! |
| 12:54.56 | JoshBorke | off to work, later |
| 12:55.35 | Anduin|Gone | this stupid Wardrobe update keeps getting bigger |
| 12:57.29 | Wobin_ | functionality wise? |
| 12:58.01 | Anduin|Gone | mmm, not as in features, but as in how it functions, yes |
| 12:58.26 | Anduin|Gone | mostly bug fixes and then fixing things I broke by switching from names to id's |
| 12:58.57 | Anduin|Gone | and things that have needed doing and never got around to being done.. |
| 12:59.30 | Anduin|Gone | and of course if one feature's not working I can keep adding other features but cant actually publish till the first one gets fixed |
| 13:00.21 | Anduin|Gone | like.. what the hell happenned to my buttons.. |
| 13:00.58 | Wobin_ | behind the couch? |
| 13:01.20 | Anduin|Gone | the texture jsut decided to go byebye a few patches back.. |
| 13:01.37 | Anduin|Gone | So it's been just text.. but I don't remember changing it.. |
| 13:02.44 | namxo | 3/4h |
| 13:06.03 | Anduin|Gone | ahh, happened back when UIPanelButtonTemplate got moved to a diff file |
| 13:12.40 | Anduin|Gone | ahh... gg fing/replace ftl |
| 13:18.10 | Anduin|Gone | Ok, so if I want to move the offhand weapon to the main hand and put the main hand in the bags... is there any way to do that without a delay? |
| 13:18.37 | Anduin|Gone | nm |
| 13:18.43 | Josh_Borke | don't think so, because of the 1.6 change to weapon changes creating a global cooldown |
| 13:18.55 | Anduin|Gone | nah they nuked that in 1.9 |
| 13:19.10 | Anduin|Gone | it silently got removed |
| 13:19.50 | Anduin|Gone | i can pickup the offhand and drop it on the main and then drop the main in the bags |
| 13:19.58 | Anduin|Gone | i think |
| 13:20.46 | Anduin|Gone | wonder if i can do that in on esweep.. |
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| 13:43.24 | Anduin|Gone | any wardrobe users wanna stress test a new version? |
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| 14:03.24 | Josh_Borke | i use itemrack... |
| 14:03.34 | Anduin|Gone | of course you do |
| 14:04.17 | Josh_Borke | :-) |
| 14:05.39 | Josh_Borke | btw, 'ContainerItemFrameButton_OnClick = function (...) MyMod.OnClick("Container",unpack(args)) end' does not work |
| 14:06.56 | Josh_Borke | unpack expected a table, got nil |
| 14:11.06 | Anduin|Gone | arg |
| 14:11.14 | Josh_Borke | oh blast |
| 14:11.21 | Josh_Borke | that would help |
| 14:11.43 | Josh_Borke | at least it is a simple fix |
| 14:12.03 | Anduin|Gone | Wardrobe-AL v1.5 --> WoWI |
| 14:12.28 | id` | why the AL part? |
| 14:12.29 | id` | oh, nm |
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| 14:13.17 | Wob | hehe like you can talk, Indy =) |
| 14:22.13 | Beladona | I usually recommend people not use the unpack feature, unless they have to, which usually isn't the case. But I know there are people here that are advocates for the unpack function |
| 14:23.29 | Beladona | so... I bought RF Online yesterday thinking maybe they fixed all the lingering bugs for retail that were so prevalent in beta |
| 14:23.44 | Beladona | because they said they did |
| 14:23.46 | id` | RF Online? |
| 14:23.49 | Beladona | but that was a fat lie |
| 14:24.30 | Beladona | http://www.rf-onlinegame.com/ |
| 14:24.31 | Wob | Working as Intended =) |
| 14:24.48 | Beladona | it is a fun game, and I can honestly say I am hooked |
| 14:25.01 | Beladona | I just can't stand poor game support |
| 14:25.15 | Josh_Borke | i'm using it because i'm not really using the values, i'm just passing it along |
| 14:25.44 | Josh_Borke | so i feel it adds a bit of future-resistance to it |
| 14:25.46 | Beladona | do you know exactly how many values there are? |
| 14:25.52 | Beladona | and what they should be? |
| 14:25.57 | Beladona | and how they should be passed on? |
| 14:26.13 | Beladona | unpacking args in my mind is a sign of laziness |
| 14:26.17 | Beladona | usually |
| 14:26.18 | Josh_Borke | yes |
| 14:26.47 | Beladona | if you know what args, and how many there should be, they should just be declared. There is a little overhead involved with unpacking |
| 14:26.58 | Wob | It looks a bit steampunky, Bela |
| 14:27.02 | Beladona | but it doens't break anything to use it |
| 14:27.08 | Beladona | so use what you want |
| 14:28.27 | Beladona | sorry for being a pain. I am very opinionated about some things when it comes to lua |
| 14:29.21 | Josh_Borke | it's quite alright, i take suggestions very well when they are backed up :-) |
| 14:30.08 | Josh_Borke | would you say it would be alright for my MyMod.OnClick function to be declared as 'function MyMod.MyClick(frame,...)' since it is replacing the OnClick of several different frames with different amounts of arguments? |
| 14:30.30 | Anduin|Gone | heh, I was critiquing some of my collegues on that yesterday.. who were using arg/unpack cause it was pretty |
| 14:30.38 | Beladona | that would be a good reason to use unpack |
| 14:30.43 | id` | Beladona: i have to be a member of something to even be able to download a frigen movie of the game |
| 14:30.47 | Beladona | when the args change regularly |
| 14:31.18 | Beladona | yeah id, that is annoying |
| 14:31.22 | Josh_Borke | hehe, i'm also doing it because it looks pretty :-) |
| 14:31.36 | Wob | pretty? |
| 14:31.41 | Beladona | never do form over function |
| 14:31.54 | Beladona | or rather should I say, never sacrifice form for function |
| 14:32.05 | Beladona | damnit, I got that backwards |
| 14:32.09 | Wob | huh. Can't even pull out a screenshot |
| 14:32.14 | Beladona | never sacrifice function, for form |
| 14:33.27 | Beladona | http://img.hexus.net/v2/gaming/screenshots/rf_online/rfonline_beta_large_2.jpg |
| 14:33.34 | Beladona | there is a screeny for rf online |
| 14:34.04 | Beladona | it is a lot like the old Final Fantasies |
| 14:34.14 | Beladona | with a mix of old RPG, and futuristic |
| 14:34.37 | Beladona | in fact I could say that this is how FFXI shoulda been |
| 14:36.08 | Wob | Looks quite pretty. How does it run? |
| 14:36.12 | Beladona | her eis a gameplay video |
| 14:36.14 | Beladona | http://www.guildvsguild.com/nuke/modules/media/pafiledb.php?action=file&id=327 |
| 14:36.22 | Beladona | it runs good performancewise |
| 14:36.27 | Beladona | there are some gameplay related bugs |
| 14:36.35 | Beladona | but they will be fixed, in due time |
| 14:37.22 | Beladona | the biggest gameplay related bug that has hit me, was the fact that rare ranged weapons (guns, bows) have no purcahseable ammo |
| 14:37.32 | Beladona | super rares and regulars do |
| 14:37.37 | Beladona | just not rares |
| 14:37.47 | Anduin|Gone | heh, oops |
| 14:37.48 | Beladona | so you could get thi really nice purple bow, and you can't use it |
| 14:38.08 | Beladona | you would think they would easily fix something like that by adding ammo |
| 14:38.20 | Beladona | but that bug has been around all through beta, and still there in retail |
| 14:38.37 | Anduin|Gone | sound like they have no QA dept |
| 14:38.50 | Beladona | screw QA, we beta tested the damn thing |
| 14:38.59 | Beladona | I submitted that bug myself, along with many others |
| 14:39.11 | Beladona | their dev team is korean |
| 14:39.19 | Anduin|Gone | heh |
| 14:39.23 | Beladona | so I am thinking there is something getting lost in the translation |
| 14:39.28 | Beladona | hehe |
| 14:39.46 | Josh_Borke | id`: I REALLY like the bar at the bottom of gvim that shows you your tab completion options whe doing :e <file> |
| 14:39.55 | Beladona | that or they are sitting there thinking "Yeah, you american dog, shoot that! HAHAHA" |
| 14:40.30 | Wob | The asian contingent don't really think that... |
| 14:40.34 | Wob | . o O (much...) |
| 14:44.03 | Josh_Borke | if I just define a variable, 'local myvar', is its initial value nil? |
| 14:44.12 | Wob | yep |
| 14:44.13 | Beladona | yes |
| 14:44.23 | Josh_Borke | so, the local part is only defining its scope? |
| 14:44.43 | Wob | aye |
| 14:44.55 | Josh_Borke | cool, thanks |
| 14:55.52 | Anduin|Gone | You know you're tired when... an energy drink makes you more tired. |
| 14:56.28 | Wob | hehe you have reached No More Go |
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| 15:08.11 | id` | Josh_Borke: :h wilemenu |
| 15:08.13 | id` | Josh_Borke: :h wildmenu |
| 15:08.41 | Josh_Borke | ya, i really like that |
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| 15:12.35 | Josh_Borke | ok, i need some regex help :-) |
| 15:13.04 | Wob | Go for it =) |
| 15:13.32 | Josh_Borke | i will have a string that should take on 2 formats: <itemLink>x<number> or just <itemLink> |
| 15:14.14 | Wob | hrm, item link format is item:(itemID):0:0:0? |
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| 15:14.24 | Wob | I can't recall offhand |
| 15:15.14 | Josh_Borke | so, would 'local _,_,itemLink,quantity = string.find(str,"(|c%x+|Hitem:%d+:%d+:%d+:%d+|h%[.-%]|h|r){1}x(%d+)?")'? |
| 15:15.29 | Josh_Borke | yea, i alreday have a regex for an itemLink |
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| 15:16.40 | Wob | That won't match for just itemLink would it? |
| 15:16.48 | Josh_Borke | i don't think it will |
| 15:16.54 | Wob | cause it's still looking for the x |
| 15:17.04 | Josh_Borke | so would i just have to put an second instance of the itemLink and OR the 2 expressions? |
| 15:17.37 | Wob | You could possibly drop a 0 or more match around the x<number> section? |
| 15:18.38 | Josh_Borke | but then wouldn't it match <itemLink><number>? |
| 15:19.39 | Wob | no cause the x will still be a part of the latter pattern |
| 15:19.53 | Wob | you'll be after (<ItemLink>) and (x<number>) |
| 15:20.00 | Josh_Borke | i see |
| 15:20.07 | Josh_Borke | yea, that could work, because i could just strip the 'x' |
| 15:20.11 | Wob | nodnod |
| 15:20.22 | Josh_Borke | thanks wob :-) |
| 15:21.37 | Wob | np =) |
| 15:26.12 | Josh_Borke | would string.gsub(str,x,nil) get rid of the 'x' in the string? |
| 15:26.23 | Wob | hm. |
| 15:26.34 | Wob | I'm not sure if it'll replace it with Nil which could be a bad thing |
| 15:27.19 | ckknight | string.gsub(str,x,"") |
| 15:28.03 | Wob | Hrm, we need to train purl to return lua syntax on lua functions. |
| 15:28.07 | Wob | Now that would be useful |
| 15:28.32 | Josh_Borke | is the {1} valid in lua? |
| 15:28.40 | Josh_Borke | for matching exactly 1 time |
| 15:29.25 | Wob | not sure |
| 15:30.07 | ckknight | string.gsub(str,x,"",1) |
| 15:30.30 | Josh_Borke | ckknight: danke :-) |
| 15:36.24 | Wob | although, thinking about it, "(x(%d+))?" will work and you can reference the number by incrementing the capture number |
| 15:36.46 | Josh_Borke | just do _,_,itemLink,_,count? |
| 15:37.01 | Wob | yeah |
| 15:37.14 | Josh_Borke | yea, i think that will work better |
| 15:42.50 | Josh_Borke | you guys rock |
| 16:03.17 | Cairenn | *whimper* |
| 16:03.18 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=325005&tmp=1#post325005 |
| 16:05.19 | Wob | what has that got to do with the price of fish? |
| 16:05.29 | Wob | (the OP) |
| 16:05.35 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 16:06.16 | Depherios | ...........ow |
| 16:07.09 | Depherios | ... I keep forgetting the channel :P -- curse my activity lately |
| 16:30.18 | Beladona | oh hi Cair |
| 16:30.25 | Beladona | sorry was afk so didn't see you come in |
| 16:30.31 | Cairenn | no worries |
| 16:38.36 | Wob | http://www.gearlive.com/index.php/news/article/virtual_laser_keyboard_01251032/ |
| 16:38.40 | Wob | hehe now that would be kinda cool |
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| 16:38.50 | Shouryuu | rawr |
| 16:39.35 | Cairenn | *purr* |
| 16:40.21 | Shouryuu | i wanna priest talents :@ |
| 16:43.03 | Wob | I'm half torn between wanting them cause they'll be cool and not wanting them cause I can't use them =P |
| 16:49.04 | Anduin|Gone | they aren't really THAT exciting, kinda like the pally changes... the priests will be happy, but it's not a huge buff or anything |
| 16:50.19 | Wob | unlike the hunter changes, eh? |
| 16:50.22 | Anduin|Gone | hopefully it'll make a few more peeps roll priests and even out the class ballance |
| 16:50.33 | Wob | gogo dorf priest =P |
| 16:50.47 | Cairenn | hey Anduin|Gone? is vjeux still around? |
| 16:51.00 | Anduin|Gone | not much |
| 16:51.04 | Anduin|Gone | why? |
| 16:51.12 | Cairenn | just wanted to ask him something |
| 16:51.14 | Cairenn | no worries |
| 16:51.18 | Anduin|Gone | email |
| 16:51.31 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 16:51.48 | Anduin|Gone | vjeuxx@gmail.com |
| 16:53.14 | Cairenn | thanks |
| 16:53.42 | Wob | stupid 6 letter limitation on gmail accounts =P |
| 16:54.09 | Wob | I tried for Wobin, but it wouldn't accept it =( And they had 'robin@gmail' in one of the pictures! |
| 16:54.13 | Wob | False advertising! |
| 16:54.21 | Josh_Borke | heh |
| 16:56.24 | Shouryuu | the priest changes aren't gong to be exceptional |
| 16:56.35 | Shouryuu | they'll just... cahnge :P |
| 16:56.43 | Shouryuu | It'll feel good :p |
| 16:57.20 | Wob | Well, they're saying the trees will be a lot more useful, yeah? |
| 16:57.25 | Wob | That's a good enough change for me |
| 16:57.40 | Wob | (says the unabashed shadow priest =P) |
| 16:57.59 | Anduin|Gone | the new shadow is fun :) |
| 16:58.13 | Wob | omg |
| 16:58.16 | Wob | how can that be? =) |
| 16:58.33 | Wob | The old shadow is already too much fun |
| 16:59.03 | Josh_Borke | aren't the new talent trees supposed to be posted today? |
| 16:59.13 | Wob | tomorrow apparantly |
| 16:59.22 | Wob | (or at least before the weekend) |
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| 17:02.40 | Elkano | good (whatever) |
| 17:02.49 | Cairenn | hi Elkano |
| 17:03.17 | Wob | (lord? Will Hunting?) |
| 17:03.37 | Elkano | is there a way to have a static popup also show when you're dead? |
| 17:04.06 | Wob | "You are dead" |
| 17:07.56 | Anduin|Gone | there's a flag in the popup definition file |
| 17:08.35 | Anduin|Gone | whileDead = 1 |
| 17:08.55 | Anduin|Gone | as seen in StaticPopupDialogs["CONFIRM_BATTLEFIELD_ENTRY"] |
| 17:09.08 | Wob | aw. Purl's gone awol |
| 17:09.50 | Anduin|Gone | why the hell am I still awake.. |
| 17:10.12 | Elkano | ah, thx :) now they'll be able to link from ItemDB even when dead :) |
| 17:10.33 | Anduin|YouAreDea | grr |
| 17:10.40 | Wob | URDed =) |
| 17:11.07 | Elkano | "Hey, look, he's just a normal cow, OK?" |
| 17:11.45 | Elkano | well, lunch... l8ers... |
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| 17:18.05 | Eraphine|Lab | is there an easy way to use slash commands after a /script in a macro ? |
| 17:18.24 | Eraphine|Lab | ./script /cast won't work right? |
| 17:22.21 | Tain | No, it won't. |
| 17:22.46 | Tain | I don't think you can use any actual slash commands in a script, I think you have to call the functions they execute themselves. |
| 17:23.32 | Codayus | .... |
| 17:23.37 | Codayus | priest talent tree info is up |
| 17:23.38 | Codayus | yay |
| 17:23.46 | Tain | I heard the Priest talent tree has G15 support |
| 17:24.56 | Codayus | and it looks amazing. Not like the paladin review. i <3 priest love. |
| 17:28.49 | Codayus | Way more than I'd hoped for. |
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| 17:47.38 | Cairenn | Anduin|Cowzzz: you actually afk already, or just getting ready to be afk :p |
| 17:47.42 | Cairenn | hi Iriel |
| 17:50.39 | Iriel | Morning |
| 17:53.16 | Crispix | o_O |
| 17:53.26 | Crispix | WoW Forums = down? |
| 17:53.55 | Cairenn | not completely, just flakey |
| 17:55.17 | Elkano | omg, the new priests sound *rrr* |
| 17:55.27 | Elkano | and still melting faces... |
| 17:56.05 | Codayus | YEah, great sounding changes. :-) |
| 17:56.10 | Codayus | Happy! |
| 17:56.57 | Elkano | "They've killed the priest!" - "Who cares as long as he's still healing?" |
| 17:58.30 | Codayus | I'd like more details on the healing well thing |
| 17:59.01 | Elkano | well sound's like some kind of totem where you can get yourself a HoT |
| 17:59.32 | Codayus | Yeah...but I'm wondering if it'd be useful to drop next to the MT. Description implies no, but I don't see why not. |
| 17:59.40 | Codayus | And I'd like to know mana cost. :-P |
| 18:00.10 | Codayus | Holy vs disc is going ot be MUCH harder now. |
| 18:01.11 | Codayus | I'm thinking of it as a summonable bandage dispenser. |
| 18:01.36 | Codayus | Instead of the raid leader yelling at rogues to backout of the AoE and bandage, they can get yelled at to back out of the AoE and hit the Lightwell. |
| 18:02.24 | Elkano | they should add a trinket that turns healing spells into damage spells ;) |
| 18:02.48 | Codayus | Hmm. GHeal = 2.5s cast time. Spirit of Redemption = 10s of free heals. 10s/2.5s = 4 free GHeals? Lag might be an issue, but...dude... |
| 18:03.39 | Codayus | How about a talent that turns spirit into +dmg/healing? Oh, wait, they have that. :-P |
| 18:04.02 | Codayus | Ah well, better get some work done. 1. |
| 18:04.19 | Codayus | 1.10 won't be out for ages anyhow. :-) |
| 18:05.07 | Wobin_ | This means that much like Improved Arcane Explosion, priests can spam small bursts of threatless holy goodness which both damages foes and heals friends. |
| 18:05.08 | Wobin_ | woo |
| 18:06.41 | sharkhat | with what wobin? |
| 18:07.29 | Wobin_ | Holy Nova =) |
| 18:07.34 | Wobin_ | A now, core spell |
| 18:07.46 | Wobin_ | oh sorry, no 11 point spell |
| 18:08.31 | Wobin_ | hrm, by 'threatless' does that refer to the damage or healing? =P |
| 18:08.36 | sharkhat | is it that good? |
| 18:08.41 | Wobin_ | Cause threatless healing is ... nifty |
| 18:09.02 | Wobin_ | I'm not sure how effective it will be... but it'll be fun! |
| 18:11.18 | Eraphine|Lab | holy crap |
| 18:11.23 | Eraphine|Lab | both Wobin_ |
| 18:11.29 | Wobin_ | wooo |
| 18:11.43 | Eraphine|Lab | dear god those priests changes are glorius |
| 18:11.54 | Wobin_ | And AL said we wouldn't be impressed =P |
| 18:11.56 | Wobin_ | Hah |
| 18:11.57 | ckknight | where's the list? |
| 18:12.05 | Wobin_ | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-priest&t=648886&p=1&tmp=1#post648886 |
| 18:12.15 | Wobin_ | Well, that's the one I found anyway |
| 18:12.24 | Wobin_ | Talent calculators aren't up yet |
| 18:12.51 | Eraphine|Lab | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/priests2/talents.html |
| 18:12.55 | Eraphine|Lab | oh yes they are ;) |
| 18:12.59 | Wobin_ | Oh they are! =) |
| 18:13.43 | ckknight | forums are down |
| 18:13.44 | ckknight | damn |
| 18:13.56 | Josh_Borke | that's not fair, priest review goes better than paladin review? |
| 18:14.27 | Josh_Borke | *cry* |
| 18:14.43 | ckknight | well, Paladins can blow me |
| 18:14.48 | ckknight | so no big deal |
| 18:14.53 | Josh_Borke | :-P |
| 18:15.11 | ckknight | I play Horde |
| 18:15.59 | Wobin_ | I dunno if I wanna lose shadowform =P |
| 18:19.05 | Wobin_ | hehe whinewhine =P I won't be able to cast holynova whilst in shadowform =) |
| 18:19.32 | Wobin_ | Maybe I should just kickdown into Holy/Disc |
| 18:20.24 | Wobin_ | I'm reaching that part of my life that I'll be encouraged to respec purely for raids anyway =P |
| 18:20.45 | Codayus | Arg...have work to do...must stop playing with talent calc |
| 18:20.55 | Josh_Borke | it's still loading for me :-( |
| 18:21.09 | Wobin_ | loading/not loading? |
| 18:21.12 | Wobin_ | oh |
| 18:21.18 | Wobin_ | ignore me =) |
| 18:22.33 | Codayus | Hmm, 14 Disc is really shiny. |
| 18:23.04 | Codayus | Oh, wait, Holy Nova is an instant cast spell. That makes Mental Agility way more useful for healbots now... |
| 18:23.07 | Wobin_ | lightwell seems to be a 5 charge weak renew |
| 18:23.30 | Codayus | Eh, more like a bandage dispenser. |
| 18:23.44 | Codayus | And not too weak; apparently at max rank it's 1600 healing over 10 sec. |
| 18:23.44 | Wobin_ | 230mana is stil a lot for that effect though |
| 18:23.52 | Wobin_ | oh really? =) |
| 18:24.00 | Wobin_ | oh. Lightwell =) |
| 18:24.35 | Codayus | Dunno about holy nova. |
| 18:24.44 | Wobin_ | hm where are you getting the rank info? |
| 18:25.07 | Codayus | Eyonix's post listed the effect as 1600. I'm assuming that's not an error. |
| 18:25.19 | Wobin_ | ah |
| 18:27.03 | Codayus | Since getting attacked breaks the lightwell effect, it doesn't seem that amazing. Basically a bandage dispenser. Then again, the rest of the holy tree is so nice now... |
| 18:27.12 | Wobin_ | yeah |
| 18:27.57 | Wobin_ | Spirit of Redemption is a nice touch |
| 18:28.00 | Codayus | Yeah |
| 18:28.12 | Josh_Borke | yea |
| 18:28.17 | Wobin_ | if you can hammer the heals out fast enough =) |
| 18:28.32 | Wobin_ | But at least interruption isn't an issue at that point |
| 18:28.56 | Codayus | Hmm, lightwell has a 10 minute cooldown. I think I'll be passing on it. |
| 18:29.21 | Codayus | Nice idea, but... |
| 18:30.01 | Josh_Borke | if they lightwell lasts until 5 effects have been used, it might not be that bad... |
| 18:30.03 | Codayus | Heavy runecloth bandages = cheap :-) |
| 18:30.19 | Wobin_ | I wonder if someone will come up with a Soulstone/SoR tactic that involves getting yourself killed after spamming holy nova then healspamming then ressing to continue on =P |
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| 18:31.03 | Wobin_ | although HN won't give you the aggro needed I guess =P |
| 18:31.45 | Wobin_ | Maybe spamout prayer of healing |
| 18:33.59 | Elkano | I'm waiting for the first priest only ae onyxia video ;) |
| 18:34.28 | Wobin_ | With the pally holy damage boost, it may be viable =) |
| 18:34.41 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 18:35.07 | Codayus | my thought is, pvp viability of non-shadow trees is much higher now.. |
| 18:35.18 | Wobin_ | aye |
| 18:35.23 | Codayus | I don't pvp on my priest really, but some of those new talents look...tasty. |
| 18:35.27 | Wobin_ | (even though I suck as a pvper as a shadow) |
| 18:35.38 | Codayus | I'm a pve healbot. :-) |
| 18:36.07 | Eraphine|Lab | I wonder if lightwell will benefit from +healing |
| 18:36.09 | Wobin_ | I do that plus throw on ShadowVuln and spam out for blackout =P |
| 18:36.25 | Eraphine|Lab | if so, it would be for the full effect |
| 18:36.51 | Elkano | well, my priest pvp was on TR up to now and I was mainly spaming SW:Pain on everybody... I somehow manged to be one of the top killing blows-player... Oo |
| 18:37.04 | Elkano | was in AC btw |
| 18:37.09 | Elkano | ...AV... |
| 18:37.29 | Elkano | but you can't call AV PvP, can you? |
| 18:38.09 | Wobin_ | Assisted PvP? =) |
| 18:38.25 | Eraphine|Lab | how much +healing does an end-game raiding priest have? |
| 18:38.28 | Eraphine|Lab | 400ish? |
| 18:38.55 | Wobin_ | 2000 over 10sec? |
| 18:38.59 | Eraphine|Lab | yes... |
| 18:39.00 | Wobin_ | not too shabby |
| 18:39.02 | Eraphine|Lab | dunno if you can be moving |
| 18:39.04 | Eraphine|Lab | probably can |
| 18:39.08 | Wobin_ | and it's slightly better than bandaging |
| 18:39.10 | Eraphine|Lab | the people who are using it I mean. |
| 18:39.14 | Wobin_ | yeah |
| 18:39.19 | Wobin_ | I figure it's like a renew |
| 18:39.24 | Wobin_ | that can be broken |
| 18:39.35 | Eraphine|Lab | it stacks with renew - and you can bandage on top of it |
| 18:39.50 | Wobin_ | That's some major healing, right there |
| 18:39.55 | Eraphine|Lab | Plus, who knows if it spawns at your feet |
| 18:40.02 | Josh_Borke | wow |
| 18:40.02 | Wobin_ | targetable location? |
| 18:40.07 | Eraphine|Lab | if it is castable at 15 yards, you can place it near your rogues or something. |
| 18:40.10 | Wobin_ | 'near' |
| 18:40.11 | Eraphine|Lab | or just behind |
| 18:40.16 | Wobin_ | no range listed |
| 18:40.19 | Josh_Borke | i doubt it's targettable |
| 18:40.24 | Eraphine|Lab | I think it will be |
| 18:40.30 | Eraphine|Lab | probably a 10 yard radius |
| 18:40.34 | Josh_Borke | maybe like a shaman totem? |
| 18:40.38 | Eraphine|Lab | nod |
| 18:40.51 | Wobin_ | yeah |
| 18:40.58 | Wobin_ | I wonder if it'll make the 'thunk' noise =) |
| 18:41.33 | Eraphine|Lab | anyway 3 points for 70% uninteruptable by damage. |
| 18:41.35 | Eraphine|Lab | that's ridiculous |
| 18:41.39 | Eraphine|Lab | that's just ridiculous |
| 18:41.58 | Wobin_ | 2 points |
| 18:42.02 | Eraphine|Lab | Holy/Disp priests will have near infinite survivability |
| 18:42.18 | Eraphine|Lab | well, i'm overstating that. |
| 18:42.26 | Wobin_ | We're still squishy |
| 18:42.31 | Codayus | Non-zero survivability? :-P |
| 18:42.36 | Eraphine|Lab | 10% decreased damage from all spell damage |
| 18:42.53 | Eraphine|Lab | 25% regen from a crit |
| 18:43.08 | Wobin_ | over time |
| 18:43.10 | Eraphine|Lab | improved absorb of pw:s plus 15 sec recast |
| 18:43.51 | Tain | The issue is still going to be multiple attackers. Boomdead. |
| 18:44.01 | Wobin_ | 15%mana regen |
| 18:44.05 | Wobin_ | (while casting) |
| 18:44.17 | Wobin_ | free spell every 3 minutes |
| 18:44.22 | Wobin_ | (Man, I'll so be using that) |
| 18:44.26 | Eraphine|Lab | well - there's aoe fear |
| 18:44.35 | Eraphine|Lab | you won't be able to be taken down easily by melee |
| 18:44.55 | Eraphine|Lab | plus 15% bonus on PW:S gives you 1083 buffer every 15 seconds |
| 18:45.03 | Tain | Of course I don't know anything about pvp priests. My response is generally, "Why are you wasting your mana doing anything but healing me, bitch?" |
| 18:45.16 | Eraphine|Lab | a dead priest is no good to you |
| 18:45.24 | Wobin_ | inner fire is also an armour boost |
| 18:45.25 | Tain | Live ones are no great shakes sometimes. ;) |
| 18:45.39 | Eraphine|Lab | good healing pvp priests make a bg |
| 18:46.07 | Wobin_ | What defines a good healing pvp priest? |
| 18:46.09 | Tain | Nah, good healing pvp priests make up for bad teams. The actual problem is that you can rarely NOT get a pad team. |
| 18:46.11 | Wobin_ | (ability to hide) |
| 18:46.13 | Tain | s/pad/bad/ |
| 18:46.38 | Wobin_ | I've wanted to pvp a bit, but I'm afraid of just being targetted cause I'm priesty =P |
| 18:46.50 | Tain | Don't get me wrong, I want priests to enjoy playing their class. |
| 18:47.06 | Wobin_ | (where playing their class == healbot =P) |
| 18:47.19 | Tain | So I know these changes have a lot of people feeling like Christmas (or chanukkah, or kwanza, or festivus, or... ) morning. |
| 18:47.40 | Wobin_ | Well, there's still the anticipation in waiting to try them out =P |
| 18:48.43 | Wobin_ | I'm not sure how useful Power Infusion will be |
| 18:48.44 | Tain | I just think it's strange that none of the MMORPGs have tried to make a Cleric class like it exists in the D&D world. |
| 18:48.53 | Tain | Since a lot of other classes definitely seem to have their roots there. |
| 18:49.11 | Wobin_ | The mace wielding healer? |
| 18:49.41 | Tain | See that's just it, Clerics in D&D aren't a mace wielding healer. |
| 18:49.48 | Tain | Well, you can do that of course. |
| 18:49.58 | Wobin_ | well, more combat orientated? |
| 18:50.28 | Tain | No, more D&D Cleric oriented. There's really too much for me to actually type up here. |
| 18:50.52 | Wobin_ | I think the amount of damage dealt over a fight kinda necessitates a full time healer |
| 18:50.55 | Iriel | The problem with clerics is one of 'sacrifice' |
| 18:50.57 | Tain | Ok, I should qualify that. Too much for me to feel like typing. |
| 18:50.59 | Wobin_ | At least in WoW |
| 18:51.10 | Iriel | Generally clerics in the traditional D&D world require a certian level of 'philosophy' of play |
| 18:51.27 | Iriel | Worship, or at the very least, action consistent with the wishes of ones god |
| 18:51.41 | Iriel | That's very hard to implement in a game like WoW |
| 18:51.50 | Wobin_ | Priests in Wow, are really godless heathens =P |
| 18:52.06 | Iriel | The dismal failure of the honor system being an example of why that's a "hard problem" |
| 18:52.15 | futrtrubl | heathens maybe. Godless? |
| 18:52.16 | Iriel | exactly |
| 18:52.30 | Wobin_ | Well, I guess we call upon a 'nameless higher power' =P |
| 18:52.36 | Iriel | Or, priests of a god that doesn't give a damn what they do |
| 18:52.38 | Tain | That's the ideology of it, yeah of course. But just looking from the results. As much as I never do as a player, I'm looking more at what a min/maxer would see in a Cleric since that's what it comes down to in an online game. |
| 18:53.30 | Wobin_ | by using the word 'holy' Blizzard gets around having to name a source of the power |
| 18:53.41 | krka | the priest class isn't heathen, the priest players are |
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| 18:53.47 | Shouryuu | rawrr |
| 18:53.48 | Wobin_ | holy may as well be an element like fire or water |
| 18:53.58 | Tain | By the Hoary Hosts of Haggoth! |
| 18:53.59 | Wobin_ | . o O (HEART!) |
| 18:54.07 | Shouryuu | Gosh! |
| 18:54.10 | Shouryuu | Godamn! |
| 18:54.11 | Shouryuu | Hell! |
| 18:54.19 | Shouryuu | Danmed! Damn! |
| 18:54.21 | Tain | Great leaping lizards! |
| 18:54.22 | futrtrubl | @#$%^! |
| 18:54.24 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 18:54.32 | Iriel | Ideas like true Clerics start to venture more towards the 'RP' part of 'RPG', which I feel, for all I love about WoW and its ilk, is missing for the most part from the normal game experience |
| 18:54.32 | Shouryuu | Saperlipopette! |
| 18:54.42 | Shouryuu | ~ilk |
| 18:54.45 | Tain | Aww Turbine emailed back adn said that they are not hiring for that position I applied for. |
| 18:54.51 | Shouryuu | awww |
| 18:55.00 | krka | hard to get people to RP in a game that promotes time spent over skill |
| 18:55.14 | Tain | Hard to get mass amounts of people to RP in a game, period. |
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| 18:55.19 | Wobin_ | Did you read that article on how Wow is teaching bad things? |
| 18:55.28 | Shouryuu | haha link it |
| 18:55.33 | Tain | You bet it is! WoW is the devil! |
| 18:55.37 | Iriel | I dont know, I'm conflicted on the 'skill' part of the time/skill argument. |
| 18:55.40 | futrtrubl | afternoon Cairenn |
| 18:55.42 | Shouryuu | everythgin is teaching bad things, from american idol from who wants to a millionaire |
| 18:55.45 | Shouryuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:55.50 | Cairenn | hi again |
| 18:55.54 | Iriel | If i'm playing the role of the hunter, why does MY skill have to impact the abilities of my character? |
| 18:56.01 | Tain | It could be considered a skill to endure such butt-numb-a-thons, Iriel. |
| 18:56.07 | krka | you could promote RP elements i think |
| 18:56.07 | krka | wouldn't be impossible |
| 18:56.08 | Iriel | I'm controlling a hunter, I am not a hunter. |
| 18:56.25 | Tain | I am not a role model. |
| 18:56.45 | krka | you should use your skill to increase the characters skill |
| 18:56.51 | krka | you shouldn't have to invest only time |
| 18:56.52 | Iriel | On the other side, I do think creative thinking and role-aligned behaviour should be more rewarding than pure time |
| 18:56.53 | krka | imo |
| 18:56.54 | futrtrubl | true, you have to think tactics as aposed to strategy like in WoW |
| 18:57.21 | Iriel | so it's an interesting conflict about what the notion of 'skill' is, really |
| 18:57.24 | Iriel | Min/Maxing is not skill |
| 18:57.27 | Iriel | for example |
| 18:57.36 | krka | what is min/maxing? |
| 18:57.42 | Iriel | Playing by the numbers |
| 18:57.46 | futrtrubl | balencing would take skill |
| 18:57.57 | krka | it's a part of skill imo |
| 18:58.12 | Iriel | Why? It can be rote learned |
| 18:58.32 | Iriel | There's no skill in following someone else's list of best things to do |
| 18:58.40 | Iriel | Actually figuring out the best strategies is fone |
| 18:58.41 | Iriel | fine, even |
| 18:58.49 | Iriel | but the percentage of players that do that is microscopic |
| 18:58.55 | krka | true, but a good game doesn't _have_ a best thing to do |
| 18:58.55 | Iriel | most are sheep, following the leader |
| 18:59.02 | Iriel | I agree with that |
| 18:59.06 | krka | or atleast, it should be reasonably impossible to figure out |
| 18:59.06 | Tain | See though min/maxing starts at the game design level. |
| 18:59.15 | futrtrubl | that's why some randomization of starting attributes can be usefull, to stop cloning |
| 18:59.17 | Iriel | Actually, I agree with a re-emphasised version |
| 18:59.23 | Iriel | A good game doesn' have _a_ bets thing to do. |
| 18:59.36 | Iriel | It has several, for a given circumstance |
| 18:59.44 | Iriel | each with implications |
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| 19:00.04 | Iriel | I'm all for randomized and immutable attributes BUT |
| 19:00.14 | Iriel | In a 'competetive' game, those will never, ever, work |
| 19:00.17 | Wob | http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20060222/sirlin_01.shtml |
| 19:00.22 | futrtrubl | and random start stats adds more circumstances and oportunities for different play styles |
| 19:00.27 | Shouryuu | agree with Iriel |
| 19:00.29 | Wob | If I disconnected before last try =P |
| 19:00.43 | Iriel | But for a player community like WoW's, it would be rejected by the community |
| 19:00.44 | Tain | Just wait until the first "professional video gamer" gets busted for performance enhancing drugs. |
| 19:00.53 | Shouryuu | haha |
| 19:00.55 | Wob | Mountain Dew? |
| 19:00.57 | futrtrubl | definately not set in stone attributes, I like to morph my char a bit |
| 19:01.15 | krka | what about hiding attributes? :) |
| 19:01.23 | Iriel | But you should not be able to level the playing field, otherwise it's meaningless |
| 19:01.31 | Iriel | I like the idea of opacity in systems |
| 19:01.37 | Wob | You are "Strong" |
| 19:01.43 | Wob | You are "Magical" |
| 19:01.48 | Wob | You are "%s" |
| 19:01.48 | Iriel | I like for example, your ability to judge actual damage to be tied to how much you focus on a particular skill |
| 19:02.09 | Wob | You hit Like A Girl? |
| 19:02.11 | Iriel | So, if you're an experience warrior, you'll know much more accurately how much damage you do, and maybe how much health your opponents have |
| 19:02.14 | Tain | I did like in some ways how Morrowind's skills worked. The more you used a skill, the stronger you get in it. |
| 19:02.23 | futrtrubl | more ability in Anatomy would give better understanding of damage etc? |
| 19:02.29 | Iriel | If you're a newbie, or maybe someone who focusses on magic, then you'd only have vague ideas |
| 19:02.40 | krka | i am against "skill points" altogether |
| 19:03.03 | Iriel | The improve-with-use plan works to a point |
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| 19:03.04 | futrtrubl | I'm against class based as opposed to skill based systems |
| 19:03.04 | Iriel | But there's got to be a tradeoff, you can't become infinitely good at everything |
| 19:03.12 | Tain | The only thing is I don't think you'll ever successfully market a game if you don't give people the hard points these days. |
| 19:03.27 | Iriel | I think you shouldn't be able to respec more than twice in a 1 month period, for example |
| 19:03.47 | futrtrubl | agreed |
| 19:03.50 | krka | agreed |
| 19:03.53 | krka | but it should be cheaoer |
| 19:03.53 | Tain | I like the idea of complete respecs, but make it harder. Even what you said, twice a month. |
| 19:03.55 | Iriel | Or, they could use the model other games do, in which respeccing takes time to happen |
| 19:03.55 | krka | cheaper |
| 19:03.57 | Tain | gah |
| 19:04.02 | Tain | No it should be much more expensive. |
| 19:04.08 | Tain | It's so cheap it's meaningless now. |
| 19:04.10 | Iriel | expensive is irrelevant |
| 19:04.17 | Wob | hehe |
| 19:04.22 | Iriel | It should be IMPOSSIBLE beyond an infrequent thing |
| 19:04.23 | krka | i think it's expensive now :/ |
| 19:04.26 | futrtrubl | make it take time... exp |
| 19:04.28 | krka | i never have a lot of gold |
| 19:04.28 | Wob | I wrote a retrophrenologist for a game once |
| 19:04.34 | Iriel | It's necessary because of the changing game mechanics |
| 19:04.41 | Wob | He changed your stats by slamming you about the head with a hammer |
| 19:04.43 | krka | sure, it's cheap for a power raider |
| 19:04.56 | krka | 50g is expensive for casual gamers |
| 19:05.05 | Iriel | but talents should be a defining characteristic, a tradeoff, not some other stat to max out for the day's events |
| 19:05.08 | Tain | No it isn't. It's expensive for gamers who don't want to ever think about making money. |
| 19:05.11 | Iriel | 50g is expensive for me |
| 19:05.15 | Wob | and me |
| 19:05.27 | Tain | I don't power raid, hell I havent' done anything but solo or test addosn in the last year. |
| 19:05.28 | Iriel | and it's nothing to do with 'thinking abotu making money' |
| 19:05.37 | Iriel | I have a half dozen 'active' characters |
| 19:05.49 | Tain | I think it does. If you don't conciously think about making good decisions money wise you won't have any. |
| 19:05.51 | Iriel | spread all the way across the level spectrum |
| 19:06.18 | Iriel | And I play to do the quests, experience the story, and explore the land |
| 19:06.24 | Iriel | not so much to get phat loot |
| 19:06.36 | Tain | I don't go out making money. I just don't toss away everything I find. |
| 19:06.51 | Iriel | And when I DO get something awesome, it's likely to go to my guild, before the AH |
| 19:06.56 | Beladona | Microsoft's ActiveSync to Exchange 2003 over the web is a pain in the ass |
| 19:07.10 | Beladona | so amny tiny intricacies with permissions and settings |
| 19:07.30 | futrtrubl | I play in character, I'm an adventure out to make a name for myself and become wealthy, that means dragging every bit of loot out of an encounter I can ;'] |
| 19:07.46 | Tain | I think you have the makings for a formula there to begin with, Beladona. if microsoft or activesync or exchange then pain in the ass |
| 19:07.53 | Wob | How -do- you pronounce your name, futrtrubl? |
| 19:08.05 | Iriel | My rogue tries to maximize the takings of her adventures, she does pretty well |
| 19:08.05 | futrtrubl | ;'] future trouble |
| 19:08.12 | Wob | aha |
| 19:08.39 | futrtrubl | how were you pronouncing it? |
| 19:08.59 | Tain | I thought the r was silent so I was pronouncing it, "Susan" |
| 19:09.05 | futrtrubl | lol |
| 19:09.18 | Josh_Borke | lol |
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| 19:09.38 | Beladona | heh |
| 19:09.40 | futrtrubl | ~emulate me |
| 19:09.43 | purl | What does my name mean anyways? |
| 19:09.44 | Wob | I was using Futtlerub actually =) |
| 19:09.56 | futrtrubl | haha |
| 19:10.17 | Beladona | fluffernutter? |
| 19:11.07 | futrtrubl | purl no emulate futrtrubl is <reply> The r in my name is silent, so pronounce it "Susan". |
| 19:11.09 | purl | okay, futrtrubl |
| 19:11.20 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Cairenn (n=Karen@CPE00045a2bfcbc-CM000f212f84be.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 19:11.50 | futrtrubl | thanks tain |
| 19:12.23 | Beladona | call me betty, rrrrrr |
| 19:13.03 | futrtrubl | call me Al |
| 19:13.08 | ckknight | ~emulate futrtrubl |
| 19:13.10 | purl | The r in my name is silent, so pronounce it "Susan". |
| 19:13.34 | futrtrubl | purl no emulate futrtrubl is <reply> The r in my nick is silent, so pronounce it "Susan". |
| 19:13.35 | purl | futrtrubl: okay |
| 19:14.32 | futrtrubl | ~emulate ckknight |
| 19:14.53 | futrtrubl | should fix that ckknight |
| 19:15.28 | krka | w00t, curling gold soon |
| 19:16.02 | ckknight | what would I put? |
| 19:16.26 | futrtrubl | anything you want |
| 19:16.27 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Cairenn (n=Karen@CPE00045a2bfcbc-CM000f212f84be.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 19:16.27 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Cairenn] by ChanServ |
| 19:16.35 | futrtrubl | wb Cairenn |
| 19:16.54 | Cairenn | danke |
| 19:17.10 | futrtrubl | what's with your clone Cairenn? |
| 19:17.12 | *** join/#wowi-lounge elema (n=ele_ma@p548AE6BE.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:17.28 | elema | can I do something like this: anchors |
| 19:17.33 | elema | >anchors> |
| 19:17.41 | futrtrubl | not that I dislike thought of 2 of you or anything ;'] |
| 19:17.41 | Cairenn | still signed in at home, currently typing from another location |
| 19:17.50 | elema | <anchor point = "CENTEr"> |
| 19:17.52 | futrtrubl | ahh |
| 19:18.04 | elema | ah shitt |
| 19:18.22 | elema | -t |
| 19:18.23 | elema | clearly |
| 19:18.23 | elema | *shakehead* |
| 19:18.57 | futrtrubl | got my whisper elema? |
| 19:19.10 | elema | yep |
| 19:19.30 | futrtrubl | replied? |
| 19:19.50 | elema | yep |
| 19:20.05 | futrtrubl | ahh, are you registered with nickserv? |
| 19:20.35 | elema | yep |
| 19:20.43 | krka | crap... curling looks dangerous now |
| 19:20.57 | futrtrubl | have you identified with nickserv this session? ;'] |
| 19:21.14 | krka | damn lucky swiss bastards |
| 19:21.27 | elema | no noo, long ago |
| 19:21.29 | futrtrubl | dangerous how? |
| 19:22.13 | krka | sweden might lose |
| 19:22.27 | krka | lost a 3 point advantage :/ |
| 19:22.37 | futrtrubl | ahhh, I was hoping for some bone crunching danger |
| 19:22.42 | krka | tied now, so there will be an extra round |
| 19:23.32 | id` | Moon: http://www.demmer.nl/images/lectrr71.gif |
| 19:23.33 | futrtrubl | full contact curling |
| 19:23.40 | id` | oh moonwolf isnt here |
| 19:23.54 | id` | for the rest, top says 'danish library' |
| 19:24.01 | id` | man on left: 'koran please' |
| 19:24.17 | id` | you can guess the rest:P |
| 19:24.56 | Shouryuu | ok that WoW teaches bad thing article is just dumb |
| 19:26.30 | id` | Shouryuu: url? |
| 19:26.31 | Shouryuu | dang just closed it |
| 19:26.31 | id` | ;O |
| 19:26.32 | futrtrubl | ~emulate timmy |
| 19:26.35 | futrtrubl | awwwwww |
| 19:26.35 | Shouryuu | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:26.35 | id` | futrtrubl: ill do it for ye |
| 19:26.35 | id` | TIMMAHHHH! |
| 19:26.36 | ckknight | purl emulate timmy is <reply>Timmy Timmy Timmy Timmy Timmy Timmy agglablah Timmy! |
| 19:26.39 | purl | okay, ckknight |
| 19:28.52 | Cairenn | *blink* |
| 19:29.36 | Shouryuu | *poke poke* |
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| 19:29.41 | ckknight | hey Cairenn |
| 19:31.08 | id` | you know why he doesnt like wow in that article? |
| 19:31.22 | id` | because all the shit nerds and little kids that shoudnt be playing the game do |
| 19:31.29 | id` | because the game so too damn easy |
| 19:31.34 | id` | is* |
| 19:32.00 | id` | really man, make them play Anarchy Online and cry and go buy another game off their daddy's money |
| 19:32.08 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 19:32.10 | id` | more fun for us |
| 19:32.43 | id` | 'games have to be fair' 'you shouldnt do more power because you have better armor' |
| 19:32.44 | Shouryuu | his whole Group > solo is bad is just stupid |
| 19:32.52 | id` | BACK TO FIFA 2020 ! |
| 19:33.13 | Shouryuu | haha |
| 19:33.20 | id` | s/armor/weaponry/ |
| 19:33.22 | id` | :P |
| 19:33.36 | id` | actually doesnt matter :D |
| 19:33.40 | krka | it's a matter of opinion, some people like skill games, some people like time-investment games |
| 19:33.50 | krka | i prefer starcraft and warcraft2/3 to wow |
| 19:33.57 | id` | yes so sod off back to fifa 2020 |
| 19:34.01 | id` | (not you) |
| 19:34.19 | Shouryuu | well you can't say WoW doesn't need skill... |
| 19:34.27 | krka | pvp is some skill i guess |
| 19:34.29 | id` | voila, ze problem |
| 19:34.30 | Shouryuu | organising a 40 man raid isn't always easy |
| 19:34.31 | krka | which is why i always lose |
| 19:34.34 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 19:34.42 | krka | and i do mean _always_ |
| 19:34.44 | id` | wow is too shit easy |
| 19:35.01 | krka | organizing raids takes some sort of skill i suppose, but not the kind of skill i am interested |
| 19:35.05 | id` | it get 'help' from higher level guildies that walk around and look with their keyboard |
| 19:35.24 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 19:35.56 | id` | i better not worry to these things and keep on coding + exploring the game bit by bit |
| 19:36.00 | id` | about* |
| 19:36.09 | id` | jeez, typos tonight.. |
| 19:36.31 | Shouryuu | Are you guys hyper about anti-viruses and things? |
| 19:36.37 | ckknight | ? |
| 19:37.04 | id` | sure :p |
| 19:37.16 | id` | NOD32 and Microsoft antiSpyware |
| 19:37.27 | Shouryuu | do you have 15 anti-viruses, updated diaily, 4 firewalls 6 anti-spyware and so forth |
| 19:37.28 | id` | furthermore, Registry mechanic and System Mechanic Pro |
| 19:37.31 | Shouryuu | or do you just not give a damn |
| 19:37.39 | id` | and windows firewall |
| 19:37.44 | id` | i dont care for connections to my pc |
| 19:37.54 | id` | got my firewall/router/wireless/etc doing that |
| 19:38.00 | Shouryuu | would you be scared if I told you I have none of the above/ |
| 19:38.03 | krka | wtf is an anti-virus? |
| 19:38.11 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 19:38.22 | krka | i don't have any of those above either |
| 19:38.42 | id` | Shouryuu: not scared, but it's my advice to get those. Because (especially NOD32) they are the best at the moment |
| 19:38.50 | Shouryuu | NOD32 is? |
| 19:38.56 | id` | anti-virus |
| 19:39.08 | id` | NOD32 on top of that has the smallest footprint of all anti-virus solutions |
| 19:39.13 | id` | hell compare it to norton, HAH |
| 19:39.15 | id` | :P |
| 19:39.17 | Shouryuu | i'll give it a try |
| 19:39.25 | id` | <-- not a virus in 2.5 years |
| 19:39.30 | id` | <-- when his pc came in |
| 19:39.41 | Shouryuu | would anyone know why my internet basicly goes to a standstill every 12 seconds? |
| 19:40.00 | Shouryuu | in other words, when I ping my router, I frequently get "Request Timed out" |
| 19:40.15 | id` | well.. either you or the router |
| 19:40.16 | id` | :P |
| 19:40.24 | Shouryuu | I get d/c from MSN, internet doesn't load, and my dl stop |
| 19:40.30 | Shouryuu | it's me, but what could it be? |
| 19:40.39 | id` | drivers, the device? |
| 19:40.40 | Shouryuu | other computers on the same connection are fine/ |
| 19:40.54 | id` | is it a laptop? |
| 19:40.59 | Shouryuu | aye |
| 19:41.08 | id` | can you remove stuff liek the network card? |
| 19:41.13 | id` | (i can remove just about anything) |
| 19:41.28 | Shouryuu | personaly, I wouldn't try |
| 19:41.36 | Shouryuu | My warantee is registered in singapore |
| 19:41.40 | Shouryuu | I'm in Paris |
| 19:41.50 | Shouryuu | if shit happens, meh |
| 19:41.54 | id` | put an electric lighter to the piece (network card) |
| 19:41.57 | krka | omg curling is exciting now |
| 19:42.02 | id` | and claim their shit is broken |
| 19:42.03 | krka | this stone will decide the outcome |
| 19:42.05 | id` | and demand a new one |
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| 19:42.12 | Shouryuu | hehe |
| 19:42.15 | id` | ^^ |
| 19:42.20 | Shouryuu | krka - curling *is* exciting! |
| 19:42.21 | id` | works fine with LCD screens |
| 19:42.24 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 19:42.25 | id` | :P |
| 19:42.30 | id` | dead pixels anyone :D:D |
| 19:42.31 | Shouryuu | eeviil |
| 19:42.46 | Osagasu | I LOVE BLIZZARD! |
| 19:42.51 | Shouryuu | why why why? |
| 19:42.55 | Shouryuu | priest priet? |
| 19:42.57 | Osagasu | Priest Talents! |
| 19:43.00 | Shouryuu | AAARrrgghh |
| 19:43.00 | id` | oh |
| 19:43.02 | id` | heh |
| 19:43.03 | id` | :p |
| 19:43.10 | Shouryuu | MY INTERNET ISN'T WORKING!! |
| 19:43.15 | Shouryuu | AAAHHH!!! |
| 19:43.26 | Osagasu | There's a new Disc Ulti talent |
| 19:43.26 | krka | OMG |
| 19:43.29 | krka | swedish gold |
| 19:43.35 | krka | pretty SWEET last stone |
| 19:43.40 | Shouryuu | wow |
| 19:43.45 | Shouryuu | 3min cooldown |
| 19:43.47 | Shouryuu | niiice |
| 19:43.58 | Osagasu | Divine SPirit is a little weaker and is tier 5 |
| 19:44.00 | Shouryuu | divine spir is 3rd tier |
| 19:44.05 | Shouryuu | 5 |
| 19:44.18 | Shouryuu | but it'll increase with skill and be +31 at lvl 60 |
| 19:44.23 | Shouryuu | it'll be a skill you buy |
| 19:44.26 | Shouryuu | IM SO EXCITED! |
| 19:44.47 | Osagasu | I hope they have hat Raid buff version they said they were looking at |
| 19:44.55 | Shouryuu | ass holes got rid of focused casting |
| 19:45.18 | Shouryuu | awww the first tier is *useless* in disc |
| 19:45.20 | Osagasu | It was worth it |
| 19:45.35 | Osagasu | Unbreakable will is underrated |
| 19:45.46 | Shouryuu | silent resolve > wand spec |
| 19:46.04 | Shouryuu | HOly nova is gone :'( |
| 19:46.11 | Wob | no it's not |
| 19:46.19 | Wob | 11 point |
| 19:46.22 | Shouryuu | WTF! |
| 19:46.24 | Osagasu | Its a standard spell now |
| 19:46.30 | Osagasu | err holy fire |
| 19:46.31 | Shouryuu | the ultimate holy sucks |
| 19:46.50 | Shouryuu | *droool* healing focus |
| 19:46.55 | Osagasu | its another click the shiney spell |
| 19:46.56 | Wob | no threat damage/heal AoE instant cast is kinda cool |
| 19:47.01 | Shouryuu | spell warding |
| 19:47.02 | Shouryuu | aye |
| 19:47.06 | Shouryuu | I love holy nova |
| 19:47.15 | Shouryuu | fuck these a incredible! |
| 19:47.28 | Osagasu | Spell Warding is nice too |
| 19:47.30 | Iriel | Is there an event that fires when I only have 170 arrows left and less than enough gold to buy more, but only in Kalimdor on a tuesday? |
| 19:47.35 | Shouryuu | blessed recovery.... |
| 19:47.47 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 19:47.47 | Wob | Iriel: Yes =) |
| 19:47.51 | Osagasu | Why don't you make it Iriel? :P |
| 19:48.10 | Wob | Event == IRIEL_THINKS_"BUGGER!" |
| 19:48.12 | krka | seems like a pretty weird event to include |
| 19:48.19 | Iriel | I was just mocking the people who want hyper-specific events |
| 19:48.26 | krka | maybe you could use BAG_UPDATE |
| 19:48.30 | Shouryuu | lightwell isn't good =( |
| 19:48.31 | krka | and check number of arrows |
| 19:48.36 | Iriel | it was a joke, not a real request |
| 19:48.37 | Wob | How prosaic, krka =) |
| 19:48.49 | Wob | lightwell isn't -too- bad |
| 19:48.50 | krka | would be difficult to check if it's tuesday though |
| 19:48.54 | krka | can only get local date |
| 19:49.10 | Shouryuu | nothing new in shadow... |
| 19:49.11 | Iriel | Specifically this thread, today |
| 19:49.12 | Iriel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=325006&s=new&tmp=1#new |
| 19:49.15 | futrtrubl | they can amke their own hyperspecific events for there mod if they want |
| 19:49.20 | Wob | stuff shifted around in shadow |
| 19:49.29 | futrtrubl | their* |
| 19:49.32 | Wob | but nothing new |
| 19:49.42 | Osagasu | Aww, the new Shadow talent is only improved Vampiric Embrace |
| 19:49.54 | Wob | which doesn't really do that much |
| 19:50.15 | krka | wouldn't player_enter_world (or however it's spelled) be better for that Iriel? |
| 19:50.53 | Shouryuu | my new buuild http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/priests/talents.html?50503013030000023550133200010510000000000000000 |
| 19:50.56 | Josh_Borke | i'm still loading the talent calculator :-( |
| 19:51.25 | Iriel | krka: Maybe, I'm not sure, I dont flit between BG's all that often. |
| 19:51.39 | Shouryuu | lool |
| 19:51.48 | Shouryuu | they're still loading the old talent template when you save |
| 19:51.52 | Iriel | You should suggest it |
| 19:52.07 | Wob | hrm |
| 19:52.13 | Wob | It doesn't save properly = |
| 19:52.14 | Wob | P |
| 19:52.23 | Wob | anyway. Night all =) |
| 19:52.44 | Shouryuu | blessed recovery and spell warding is badass |
| 19:53.16 | futrtrubl | Wobzzzzz ;'] sounds like a girly pet name for a guy called Robert |
| 19:53.20 | Shouryuu | too bad mental strenght got moved down |
| 19:53.38 | Osagasu | just add a 2 in it |
| 19:53.39 | Josh_Borke | don't you hate it when you accidently mark yourself as under 13? |
| 19:53.46 | Osagasu | instead of priests its priests2 |
| 19:53.46 | Shouryuu | power infusion is cheap... and real nice |
| 19:53.48 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 19:53.53 | Shouryuu | I like the new talents =( |
| 19:54.17 | futrtrubl | was it an accident Josh_Borke? ;'] |
| 19:54.48 | futrtrubl | I do it on purpose whenever I can, so they can't ask for personal info |
| 19:54.48 | Josh_Borke | futrtrubl: yes :-P |
| 19:55.06 | Josh_Borke | i cleared my cookies and wanted to post on the wow forums :-/ |
| 19:55.06 | Osagasu | Didn't Silent Resolve used to only reduce threat from damaging spells? |
| 19:55.24 | Shouryuu | yeah you're right actualy |
| 19:55.33 | Shouryuu | they got ride of subtelity |
| 19:56.53 | Shouryuu | Spiritual guidance can be really good for spir oriented priests |
| 19:57.17 | Shouryuu | a really smart way to make up for the extra mana regen you'll be losing from investing in it and not in disc |
| 19:58.31 | Shouryuu | am I the onlyone hyper over these talents |
| 19:58.35 | futrtrubl | is an Ace dev on atm? |
| 19:59.08 | Shouryuu | yeah I guess |
| 19:59.23 | Josh_Borke | Shouryuu: I play a paladin :-P |
| 19:59.25 | futrtrubl | I hated my priest ;'] |
| 19:59.35 | Josh_Borke | but if i playde a priest, i'd be excited |
| 19:59.49 | Osagasu | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/priests2/talents.html?50520003050510023505100130005000000000000000000 |
| 19:59.53 | Osagasu | >.> |
| 20:00.10 | Shouryuu | I actually changed to 17/34 |
| 20:00.18 | Osagasu | Take advantage of Spiritual Guadance |
| 20:00.22 | Osagasu | and Divine Spirit |
| 20:00.29 | Osagasu | *Guidance |
| 20:01.07 | Osagasu | They got rid of Master Healer |
| 20:01.12 | Shouryuu | yeah |
| 20:01.19 | Shouryuu | get ride of holy reach and get inner fire? |
| 20:01.22 | Shouryuu | *rid |
| 20:01.42 | *** join/#wowi-lounge [MoonWolf] (i=moonwolf@f176182.upc-f.chello.nl) |
| 20:01.50 | Osagasu | Moonwolf, priest Talents |
| 20:01.52 | Osagasu | ^_^ |
| 20:02.00 | [MoonWolf] | up ? |
| 20:02.02 | [MoonWolf] | cool |
| 20:02.03 | Shouryuu | ayyye |
| 20:02.11 | Shouryuu | Don't you like Imp PWS? |
| 20:02.20 | [MoonWolf] | give me a sec |
| 20:02.23 | futrtrubl | No Ace developers here? |
| 20:02.52 | [MoonWolf] | by ace developers you mean people who write FOR or people who write ace itself ? |
| 20:02.56 | Josh_Borke | [MoonWolf]: still want damage mod ideas? |
| 20:03.02 | [MoonWolf] | yeah please. |
| 20:03.13 | Josh_Borke | [MoonWolf]: recap data sync'ing :-D |
| 20:03.33 | Osagasu | I miss the old version, honestly |
| 20:03.41 | Osagasu | having it absorv more is nice |
| 20:03.45 | Osagasu | *absorb |
| 20:03.46 | futrtrubl | those who write Ace itself |
| 20:03.58 | Osagasu | But a 15 second cooldown... its better in the long run |
| 20:04.05 | [MoonWolf] | futrtrubl, nope not here. |
| 20:04.10 | futrtrubl | k |
| 20:04.15 | Shadowd | oo priest talents |
| 20:04.43 | Shouryuu | ahhh I didn't see the change on imp PWS |
| 20:04.49 | Shouryuu | I though they hadn't changed it... |
| 20:05.00 | futrtrubl | damn, it's not important enough for me to register on their forums... |
| 20:05.14 | [MoonWolf] | futrtrubl, you can shoot it at me if you want. |
| 20:05.35 | Shadowd | Wasn't imp fort 3/3 points and did 15% per a point? |
| 20:05.44 | Shouryuu | Lightwell might turn out to be good |
| 20:05.50 | futrtrubl | cool, it's just that the packaged readme.txt for Ace 1.3 is old, it's still stuck at 1.2.5 |
| 20:06.01 | Shouryuu | 200 mana, 5 charges |
| 20:06.05 | Shouryuu | of 800 HoT |
| 20:06.07 | [MoonWolf] | yeah, we know. |
| 20:06.10 | futrtrubl | ok |
| 20:06.49 | [MoonWolf] | One day futrtrubl , whe we get off our collective lazy butts. |
| 20:06.53 | Shadowd | Lightwell seems kind of pointless |
| 20:07.00 | Shouryuu | dunno |
| 20:07.03 | Shouryuu | will have to try it out |
| 20:07.10 | Osagasu | Imp Fort has always been 2 points |
| 20:07.14 | Shouryuu | aye |
| 20:07.15 | Osagasu | Inner Fire is 3 points |
| 20:07.21 | [MoonWolf] | wow |
| 20:07.22 | futrtrubl | ;'] you just need more motivation, ie people like pointing it out ;'] |
| 20:07.25 | [MoonWolf] | they really did CHANGE the trees |
| 20:07.26 | Shadowd | Yeah i was thinking about PW:S |
| 20:07.35 | futrtrubl | trees? |
| 20:07.41 | [MoonWolf] | priest |
| 20:07.43 | Shouryuu | PPriiesttss! |
| 20:07.43 | futrtrubl | oh, talent trees |
| 20:07.46 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 20:07.46 | [MoonWolf] | one tree, two trees. |
| 20:07.48 | Shadowd | Well, basically it's just Lightwell is a low level bandage with a large cooldown |
| 20:07.51 | [MoonWolf] | mutliple even |
| 20:07.54 | futrtrubl | I thought you meant in game trees ;'] |
| 20:07.55 | Tain | Mmm Priestesses |
| 20:08.13 | Shouryuu | well shadow I think we have to tr before judging it |
| 20:08.13 | Tain | Yep but you can bandage on top of it! |
| 20:08.13 | Shadowd | Blessed Recovery looks nice for PVP though |
| 20:08.22 | Shouryuu | if they've put it their, it's because they've tried it and liked it :P |
| 20:08.25 | Shouryuu | and /nod to that |
| 20:08.35 | Shouryuu | it looks good for anything |
| 20:08.41 | Shadowd | Actually, I take that back. In fights like Firemaw it could be nice for Rogues, Mages and Hunters |
| 20:08.46 | Osagasu | But its also cheap and you can do it 5 times |
| 20:08.52 | Tain | I still don't completely understand the 31 skill, "Befriend Altar Boy" though. |
| 20:09.04 | Shouryuu | huh? |
| 20:09.05 | [MoonWolf] | did anything change in shadow |
| 20:09.10 | Osagasu | one new talent |
| 20:09.15 | Osagasu | Imp Vampiric Embrace |
| 20:09.15 | [MoonWolf] | i dont see it.... |
| 20:09.33 | [MoonWolf] | ah |
| 20:09.47 | Shadowd | darkness isn't a requirement for shadowform anymore |
| 20:09.59 | Shadowd | Unless i can't remember the priest talents very well :p |
| 20:10.10 | Iriel | Tain: It gives you a 'Special Place' trinket, which, when you click on it, takes all of the money from your entire guild to pay legal fees. |
| 20:10.11 | id` | http://wowace.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1142 |
| 20:10.21 | Tain | hah hah nice, Iriel |
| 20:10.25 | id` | 'This isn't an Ace addon, but it's got the Ace philosophy' |
| 20:10.29 | id` | *shiver* |
| 20:11.15 | id` | i feel like im getting a grudge about everyone involved in wow |
| 20:11.17 | id` | :| |
| 20:11.32 | Tain | Now id, you're not going to reply to him there are you? |
| 20:11.41 | id` | you bet i am |
| 20:11.41 | Shouryuu | did you guys see the new spirit of redemption? |
| 20:11.44 | [MoonWolf] | id`, what is WRONG WITH THAT ? |
| 20:12.02 | id` | Tain: avtually, i wont. |
| 20:12.05 | id` | ac* |
| 20:12.10 | Tain | It's a perfectly legitimate question from someone who's making an honest attempt themselves. |
| 20:12.17 | Shadowd | oh wow |
| 20:12.20 | Shadowd | thats pretty nice |
| 20:12.39 | id` | [MoonWolf]: Nothing really. It's just the whole attitude and 'hi hi' style of all these people |
| 20:12.43 | Tain | Besides, I'm goign to include some sort of similar functionality in Visor when 1.10 comes out. Just have to wait until then to see how it'll work. |
| 20:12.44 | id` | that i really dont like |
| 20:12.45 | id` | :| |
| 20:12.59 | Josh_Borke | oh, i have a noobish question! |
| 20:12.59 | id` | Tain: not the post just that one little thing i quoted |
| 20:13.29 | Tain | He did say, "I think" |
| 20:13.39 | Iriel | Josh_Borke : fire away |
| 20:13.48 | id` | wich means that's what its turning into or looks like for the crowd |
| 20:13.48 | Josh_Borke | i'm using visor to replace my mainmenubar, but i'm keybinding to other visor buttons that are hidden. when i change my ACTIONBAR_PAGE, it changes the keybound buttons :-( how do I stop that? |
| 20:14.13 | id` | Josh_Borke: visor doesnt display keybindings on its buttons |
| 20:14.17 | Tain | REally I read that as him feeling he was following a philosophy of not running tons of stuff to do one simple thing. In this case not wanting to run DART to have a single texture. |
| 20:14.32 | id` | Tain: i think you understand me wrong |
| 20:14.46 | id` | meh ill go sit by myself and sob |
| 20:14.46 | Tain | Josh_Borke: The way the keybindings ingame work is that they are hard-coded to apply the visual bindings to ACTIONBUTTONxx |
| 20:15.01 | Tain | Sorry id, I probably am misunderstanding then. :)( |
| 20:15.02 | id` | Tain: cool on the 1.10 thing btw |
| 20:15.03 | Tain | err |
| 20:15.03 | Tain | :( |
| 20:15.32 | id` | Tain: the thing is |
| 20:15.37 | Josh_Borke | hm, let me resay. i have my mount on button 120, bound to `. when I change the ACTIONBAR_PAGE, the mount skill is no longer on button 120, so I hit '`' and nothing happens |
| 20:15.45 | Shouryuu | my god spirit of redemption is just... wow |
| 20:15.48 | id` | noobs that are noobs not because they are new to something SUCK |
| 20:15.49 | Shouryuu | worthwhile |
| 20:15.54 | id` | and theres LOTS |
| 20:16.00 | Tain | You can still have the keybindings show with Visor, but you have to apply them with Visor. |
| 20:16.36 | id` | I'm not feeling better then them, its just that they are anoyinggggg |
| 20:16.57 | Tain | Oh ok Josh... can you double-check (just to make sure!) that the binding is set on VisorActionButton120 in the menu, and not ActionButton120? Mainly because I know that will cause what you're describing. |
| 20:17.04 | Tain | It could of course be something else. |
| 20:18.45 | Tain | Although changing ACTIONBAR_PAGE can have other things happen depending on configs. I never used the actionbar pages so I never looked at how it worked with Visor buttons until just recently. |
| 20:20.01 | Josh_Borke | yea, it is set to VisorButton120 |
| 20:20.20 | Josh_Borke | i'm at work, so i can't check right now, but do you think it would work if I unregister the event? |
| 20:21.29 | Tain | Honestly I'm not 100% sure, I've only just started to get my head around how to handle changing action bars since Visor doesn't really have a concept of bars, it's individual buttons grouped as you like. But since they do have the same ID as the normal buttons, the game does switch them around on actionbar page. |
| 20:22.38 | id` | why change pages then ;\ |
| 20:22.39 | id` | :P |
| 20:22.40 | Josh_Borke | yea. why do they share the ID? and why are IDs limited to 120? |
| 20:22.50 | Tain | I don't think unregistering the actionbar change event will help because it's registered on every button by default. Maybe if it were unregistered from every visible button. |
| 20:22.53 | id` | we have swapping |
| 20:22.54 | id` | :P |
| 20:23.14 | id` | (wich i dont even use) |
| 20:23.16 | Tain | That's a game limitation of 120. And you have to use those IDs to support everything a normal button can do. |
| 20:24.40 | Tain | gah I suddenly have ideas swirling in my head but I can't stop to give them thought right now, I have cleaning and packing to do and I'm procrastinating too much as it is. |
| 20:24.40 | Josh_Borke | id`: yea, i tried swapping, weird things happened. do the keybinds stay on the original buttons? |
| 20:25.02 | id` | yes |
| 20:25.15 | Josh_Borke | ok, so swapping isn't what i really need :-P |
| 20:25.26 | Tain | No you get the keybinds on the new buttons. |
| 20:25.34 | id` | realy? |
| 20:25.36 | id` | hmm |
| 20:25.37 | Josh_Borke | oh, hm, ok, then weird things happened |
| 20:25.47 | Tain | So you swap button 1 and 10. Button 1 has a keybind of '1' and swap it with 10, 10 now has a keybind of '1' until you swap back. |
| 20:25.57 | id` | what use is that.. something happens.. swap.. press different buttons to do different things.. |
| 20:26.05 | id` | might as well add different buttons to do different things |
| 20:26.09 | id` | :s |
| 20:26.11 | Tain | The use is to press the same button to do differen things. |
| 20:26.24 | Tain | So you only have to press 1 no matter what. |
| 20:26.30 | Tain | (As an example.) |
| 20:26.31 | id` | thats what i am saying |
| 20:26.33 | id` | :P |
| 20:26.35 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 20:26.37 | Tain | Oh. hehe |
| 20:26.49 | Josh_Borke | i'd use it, but when i swapped, the buttons didn't correspond |
| 20:27.09 | id` | great explorer crash |
| 20:27.15 | id` | brb |
| 20:27.16 | id` | :{P |
| 20:27.33 | Shouryuu | man these talents made my week! |
| 20:28.25 | id` | nerf priests! |
| 20:28.26 | Josh_Borke | also, i had events for visonbutton1, that did show/hide if i was in combat. wasn't sure if those events would still trigger if i swapped visorbutton1 with visorbutton10 |
| 20:28.28 | id` | gg |
| 20:28.45 | Shouryuu | haha "Priest Mend Faces in PvP" :P |
| 20:29.14 | id` | "Priest mend's face in pvp" |
| 20:29.29 | id` | mends* |
| 20:29.43 | Shouryuu | I reall am happppy :p |
| 20:29.43 | Tain | Josh_Borke: I can't remember now whether it will or not. Wait yes if you register events to a button those events will still trigger after a swap. |
| 20:29.54 | Josh_Borke | ok, cool |
| 20:30.03 | Tain | I know that is the case because that's how I use shifting to Stealth as a trigger. |
| 20:30.20 | Josh_Borke | though, i decided to just put all my fancy event based configurations into a seperate mod that does all the stuff i want |
| 20:30.22 | Tain | Stealth, swap, unstealth, unswap. But the event is only registered on one button. |
| 20:30.28 | Josh_Borke | cool |
| 20:32.18 | Josh_Borke | wb tem |
| 20:32.24 | Tem | hi |
| 20:32.32 | Gryphen | heya |
| 20:36.55 | Shouryuu | <====== hhpaaappypyppypy |
| 20:37.32 | Osagasu | I actually build Shadow Holy just now. o.o |
| 20:38.45 | futrtrubl | hmmm.. what website should I post Enchantrix erros to? |
| 20:39.00 | Shadowd | Did they decrease Weakened Soul to 15 seconds by default now? |
| 20:39.28 | Josh_Borke | shadowd: yes |
| 20:39.47 | ckknight | holy shit |
| 20:39.48 | Josh_Borke | id`: in gvim, what is the grey column to the left of the text? |
| 20:39.49 | ckknight | that's nice |
| 20:40.03 | Shadowd | That shield is going to be even more annoying then before |
| 20:40.55 | Shouryuu | where do you see the new skills? |
| 20:43.34 | Josh_Borke | shouryuu: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/priests2/talents.html |
| 20:44.08 | Shadowd | Think he's talking about stuff like the new PW:S |
| 20:44.15 | Shouryuu | aye |
| 20:44.53 | Shadowd | Priests are already complaining about the new PW:S talent of course |
| 20:45.11 | Shouryuu | not all :p |
| 20:45.25 | ckknight | PW? |
| 20:45.28 | Shadowd | Power Word |
| 20:45.33 | Shouryuu | look at the thakn you Eyonix thread |
| 20:45.35 | ckknight | ah |
| 20:46.25 | Josh_Borke | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-priest&t=648886&p=1&tmp=1#post648886 |
| 20:47.32 | Tem | omg.. |
| 20:47.41 | Tem | priests in my guild are REQUIRED to go 31 discipline now |
| 20:47.50 | Tem | and they are going to follow me around ALL the time |
| 20:48.27 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 20:48.37 | Shouryuu | that sucks |
| 20:49.08 | Shadowd | That means will be getting complaints about 6,000 frost bolts instead of 5,000 I guess |
| 20:49.27 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 20:50.00 | Shadowd | All it needs to do is stack with other priests, so you can get 100% increased damage |
| 20:50.20 | Tem | 5,000 Frostbolts are impossible without Arcane Power |
| 20:50.28 | Tem | and no frost mages go AP |
| 20:50.31 | Tem | (unless they are dumb) |
| 20:50.44 | Shadowd | If you're a PVP mage it's helpful :p |
| 20:50.46 | Shouryuu | lol |
| 20:50.50 | Tem | going AP with a frost build, gimps you |
| 20:51.10 | Tem | to be effective as a frost mage, you need at least 21 points in frost |
| 20:51.31 | Tem | going AP would put you at 31 Arcane only allowing a max of 20 points in frost |
| 20:51.36 | Tem | which severely gimps you |
| 20:51.38 | Shadowd | When you have a mage who can nearly one shot an epicly geared tank, with a thunderfury, with two priests healing him, with Warrior Trinket, and last stand, and shield wall it's nice to have an AP mage :p |
| 20:51.56 | Tem | you don't go AP with Frost |
| 20:52.00 | Tem | you go AP with fire |
| 20:52.02 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 20:52.07 | Tem | there is literally no point to go AP with frost |
| 20:52.11 | Shadowd | You assume I know the mage tree! |
| 20:53.10 | Osagasu | I just nticed SPirit of Redemption got a huge buff |
| 20:53.13 | Osagasu | *noticed |
| 20:53.24 | ForgottenLords | I <3 my 31/20 Arcane/Frost build |
| 20:53.45 | Osagasu | Wow, I always thought FL was AFK |
| 20:53.49 | Osagasu | always. >.> |
| 20:53.59 | ForgottenLords | FL always is AFK in a sense :) I lurk |
| 20:54.02 | Shadowd | I'm pretty sure he said something like a week ago |
| 20:54.25 | ForgottenLords | afterall, I need SOMETHING on my second monitor >_> |
| 20:54.33 | Shadowd | Oh, Lightwell isn't 0/1 points you can put more into it |
| 20:54.39 | Tem | If you get AP then as a frost mage it means you can't have, Frostbite (chance to freeze), Ice Block (most useful mage spell available), Improved cone of cold (make it's damage not suck) |
| 20:54.56 | Tem | you just don't do it |
| 20:55.03 | Tem | it completely gimps you as a frost mage |
| 20:55.10 | Shadowd | or no, final rank does more |
| 20:55.24 | Tem | plus if you are going AP, you want big damage and the fire tree is where that is |
| 20:55.25 | Osagasu | Shadowd, yes it is... |
| 20:55.31 | ForgottenLords | Tem, my build is for spamming Arcane Missiles in MC |
| 20:55.37 | Osagasu | Its a 1/1 talent |
| 20:55.39 | Tem | very strange |
| 20:55.54 | Tem | ForgottenLords: you know Frostbolt is more mana efficient? |
| 20:55.56 | Shadowd | Yeah, read the post wrong about the talent changes though it said you can put more points into it, not final rank |
| 20:56.09 | ForgottenLords | Tem: are you talking from Horde or alliance perspective? |
| 20:56.14 | Tem | Alliance |
| 20:56.35 | ForgottenLords | No, actually AM is more mana efficient once Judgement of Wisdom is on the target |
| 20:56.42 | ForgottenLords | and MC mobs cannot be rooted |
| 20:56.52 | Tem | Rag can =P |
| 20:57.01 | ForgottenLords | lol... KITE RAGS! |
| 20:57.21 | Tem | well, you assume that it procs every time |
| 20:57.28 | Tem | and we all know that's not true |
| 20:57.41 | Tem | frostbolt is also higher dps |
| 20:58.10 | ForgottenLords | to a degree |
| 20:58.38 | Tem | anyway, that's not my point |
| 20:58.52 | Tem | Would you agree that AP in a frost build just gimps the frost build? |
| 20:59.04 | ForgottenLords | I agree that there is no point in getting AP if you are frost |
| 20:59.20 | Tem | and a 5k frostbolt in pvp is impossible |
| 20:59.23 | ForgottenLords | because at that point, you are no longer frost, but arcane :) |
| 20:59.24 | Osagasu | PoM Frostbolt is nice though. ^_^ |
| 20:59.46 | Tem | now, I've crit as high as 3.2 k before :) |
| 20:59.51 | Osagasu | I've given many a druid a big bitchslap doing that |
| 20:59.57 | Tem | and my gear isn't all that insane |
| 21:00.32 | Tem | heh |
| 21:00.32 | Osagasu | and at 50 mage I've killed 60 warriors |
| 21:00.43 | Osagasu | as a AP Fire |
| 21:00.55 | Tem | yeah, I'd like to go back to a fire build for a while |
| 21:01.11 | Tem | but I've been frost so long, I don't think I could handle not having IB |
| 21:01.14 | Shadowd | Frost mages make warriors cry |
| 21:01.24 | ForgottenLords | I miss my frost spec to a degree |
| 21:01.31 | Shadowd | Probably was a stupid warrior or get unlucky on crits though if he couldn't kill you at 50 |
| 21:01.33 | id` | Josh_Borke: :set foldcolumn=8 nu |
| 21:01.47 | Tem | Shadowd: not really |
| 21:01.54 | Tem | Shadowd: mages eat warriors |
| 21:02.02 | ForgottenLords | nah, frost has little trouble with any warrior |
| 21:02.05 | Tem | (mages of any spec) |
| 21:02.22 | ForgottenLords | now, Uber geared Crit warriors wtf pwn arcane... |
| 21:02.23 | Shadowd | Not really, only frost or trick mages are much of an issue |
| 21:02.28 | Tem | though... I was better at kiting in my Elementalist Spec |
| 21:02.36 | Tem | Shadowd: not at all |
| 21:02.46 | Shadowd | Fire can kite, but not as well as frost |
| 21:02.52 | Osagasu | I wanna spec Ice just to Blizzard Kite |
| 21:02.53 | Tem | Shadowd: a good fire mage can still keep the warrior snared the entire fight |
| 21:03.32 | Shadowd | With blastwave? |
| 21:03.35 | ForgottenLords | intercept/hamstring put kinks in the kiting tho... |
| 21:04.00 | Shadowd | I'm not sure how a Fire mage is going to kite a warrior using just blastwave and frost nova |
| 21:04.05 | Josh_Borke | id`: ah, thanks |
| 21:04.15 | ForgottenLords | does CoC inherrantly have a slowing effect? |
| 21:04.26 | ForgottenLords | or is that a talent I never dropped? |
| 21:04.30 | Tem | no it's inherent |
| 21:04.48 | Tem | you can improve it though with perma frost and winter's chill |
| 21:05.05 | Tem | though, I don't have either of those talents |
| 21:05.10 | ForgottenLords | yeah... Frost Nova, run, damage damage damage, CoC, blink damage damage... |
| 21:05.11 | ForgottenLords | etc |
| 21:05.30 | ForgottenLords | and frost nova should be up again |
| 21:05.41 | Tem | I'd throw rank 1 frostbolts when I was fire |
| 21:05.45 | Tem | to snare |
| 21:05.54 | Tem | and blast wave is a big help |
| 21:06.02 | ForgottenLords | does blast wave slow? |
| 21:06.06 | Tem | Better |
| 21:06.18 | ForgottenLords | I've honestly never had a fire mage longer than 15 minutes |
| 21:06.21 | Tem | damn what's that word |
| 21:06.32 | Tem | the thing that makes you fall off your pony |
| 21:06.35 | Shadowd | Most of the mages I play against are trinket ones |
| 21:06.38 | Shadowd | Polymorph? |
| 21:06.41 | Tem | no no |
| 21:06.46 | Tem | daze |
| 21:06.51 | Tem | Blast Wave dazes |
| 21:06.55 | ForgottenLords | ah... |
| 21:06.56 | ForgottenLords | nice |
| 21:07.01 | Tem | which is fricken awesome |
| 21:07.08 | Tem | since nothing in the game can remove daze |
| 21:07.18 | Tem | not even blessing of freedom |
| 21:07.44 | Shadowd | If mages had more then 3,000 health they'd be more annoying though |
| 21:07.46 | Tem | or druids shifting forms |
| 21:08.00 | Tem | yeah, I can't wait either |
| 21:08.06 | ForgottenLords | Druid shifting is annoying as hell for WSG |
| 21:08.17 | Shouryuu | aye |
| 21:08.23 | ForgottenLords | frostbolt/sheep/frost nova are all useless at slowing them down |
| 21:08.27 | Tem | hopefully, it will let me drop some more arcane talents so I can add winter's chill and imp blizzard back into my build |
| 21:08.39 | Tem | ForgottenLords: yeah, most annoying |
| 21:09.04 | Tem | only thing you can do is Blast Wave, Scatter shot, or a stun of some kind |
| 21:09.14 | Shadowd | can barely even keep them hamstringed :/ |
| 21:10.24 | Tem | am I the only one who finds Fade in the middle of the shadow tree odd? |
| 21:10.54 | ForgottenLords | hehe, yeah its kinda confusing :) |
| 21:11.07 | ForgottenLords | anyways, Im back to lurking mode, thanks for chatting |
| 21:11.30 | Shadowd | Since stuff like Mind Blast has high threat I guess it makes sense |
| 21:11.39 | Tem | oh wow Spirit of Redemption is godly now |
| 21:12.13 | Tem | kill the priest first, but he can still heal for another 10 seconds |
| 21:12.23 | Tem | that's gonna own in BGs |
| 21:12.48 | Tem | and lightwells will rock for fights like golemagg |
| 21:13.24 | Shadowd | Firemaw, Broodlord and to a certain extend Nefarian too |
| 21:13.34 | Shadowd | Even razorgore for melee |
| 21:13.59 | Tem | I've never realy been to BWL |
| 21:14.13 | Tem | we've only made one visit to the razorgore event |
| 21:14.20 | Tem | fun shit |
| 21:14.43 | Josh_Borke | my guild plans to start attempts on BWL in 2 weeks |
| 21:15.01 | Tem | WTB Discipline Priest to follow me around |
| 21:15.16 | Tem | and hit power infusion when I activate my trinkets |
| 21:15.24 | Josh_Borke | yea, that 31 point talent is nice |
| 21:15.33 | Shadowd | Razorgore likes to AE fireball people, so usually you have to bandage a bit. Broodlord has a blast wave which hits melee and most heals are on tanks. Firemaw has an annoying AE and most/all heals are on tanks. |
| 21:15.40 | Shadowd | Nefarian is somewhat useful for stage 1 |
| 21:16.20 | ForgottenLords | Lightwell would require melee to sit out of everything while it heals them |
| 21:16.35 | ForgottenLords | I think Lightwell would be best used by ranged DPS |
| 21:16.52 | Osagasu | Lightwell isn't as good as it could be |
| 21:17.28 | Iriel | Hm... From general: If you read my thread, Lightwell will offer 1600 pts of healing at final rank, not 800. Second, it can be used during combat |
| 21:17.29 | Shadowd | It's mostly going to be useful during firemaw, considering you can take over 2,000 damage at times. |
| 21:17.32 | [MoonWolf] | infuse power sounds a lot more interesting then lightwell |
| 21:17.36 | Iriel | So why would melee have to sit out? |
| 21:17.49 | Shadowd | It can't be used during combat i though it says? |
| 21:17.56 | Shadowd | Any damage cancels the effect, it's just like a bandage |
| 21:17.57 | ForgottenLords | "Being attacked removes this effect" |
| 21:18.12 | Iriel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=7246641&s=blizzard&tmp=1#blizzard |
| 21:18.13 | [MoonWolf] | but you can be in combat, you cant be attacked. |
| 21:18.19 | Iriel | Ah, I see. |
| 21:19.11 | [MoonWolf] | lightwell really could be very usefull |
| 21:19.17 | Tem | oh wow! |
| 21:19.19 | [MoonWolf] | but infuse power... wow that could really be cool. |
| 21:19.27 | Tem | check out Spiritual Guidance |
| 21:19.40 | ForgottenLords | IMO there should be a healthy balance between PI and LW priests |
| 21:19.47 | Tem | 4 Spirit == 1 Spell Damage / Healing |
| 21:20.07 | ForgottenLords | THAT is a nice talent. a little too far into the holy tree to my liking, but nice |
| 21:20.09 | ckknight | ooh, nice |
| 21:20.18 | Tem | I'm very impressed |
| 21:20.19 | [MoonWolf] | perfectly far into the holy tree |
| 21:20.29 | Tem | I hope they do something like that for mages |
| 21:20.29 | Josh_Borke | yea, that is awesome |
| 21:20.34 | [MoonWolf] | slightly better and it would be 31 point worthy |
| 21:21.18 | Tem | 4 intel = 1 Spell Damage |
| 21:21.18 | Tem | that would make me drool |
| 21:21.18 | ForgottenLords | that'd have to be arcane... I'd like that and Improved Arcane Intellect please :) |
| 21:21.18 | Tem | hmm, indeed |
| 21:21.48 | Tem | I might finally have to try out a more filled out arcane build |
| 21:21.49 | Josh_Borke | i think it is good they based the + to damage/healing on SPR because very few use SPR |
| 21:22.05 | [MoonWolf] | but people imagine the possibilities of infuse power.... |
| 21:22.12 | [MoonWolf] | priests are walking BG berserking buffers. |
| 21:22.14 | Tem | yeah, they could ditch IAE and ICS and make them default and replace with imp AI |
| 21:22.27 | ForgottenLords | NOOOO! IAE! |
| 21:22.27 | Tem | [MoonWolf]: yeah.... I want it |
| 21:22.38 | ForgottenLords | oh... scared me :) |
| 21:22.39 | Tem | IAE should NOT be a tallent |
| 21:22.42 | ForgottenLords | 'default' |
| 21:22.47 | Tem | imp CS either |
| 21:23.15 | ForgottenLords | that might be a little overboard on the buffing :) |
| 21:27.05 | Beladona | oh my --- http://www.betanews.com/article/Rich_Media_Patent_Stirs_Controversy/1140716575 |
| 21:27.19 | Beladona | proof yet again that patent officers are morons |
| 21:28.57 | Cairenn | *boggle* |
| 21:29.38 | Tem | ForgottenLords: my main resoning on the imp CS is that the Fel Hound's Spell lock is BETTER than cs without any talents. There is NO REASON AT ALL EVER that a PET ability should be better than a PLAYER ability. |
| 21:29.57 | Shadowd | Hunter pets? :p |
| 21:30.10 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.12 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:31.58 | Tem | oh, any Java people around? |
| 21:32.12 | ckknight | I know Java |
| 21:32.22 | Tem | What does this syntax mean |
| 21:32.56 | Tem | new SomeClass() { public void someMethod() {} } |
| 21:33.09 | ckknight | ooh, inner class |
| 21:33.16 | ckknight | I hate those goddamn bastards |
| 21:33.22 | ckknight | ask someone else, sorry |
| 21:33.23 | Iriel | No, that's not an inner class |
| 21:33.28 | ckknight | oh |
| 21:33.33 | ckknight | hrm |
| 21:33.33 | Iriel | that's creating an anonymous subclass with an overridden method |
| 21:33.36 | [MoonWolf] | isnt that simply a class with a method on one line ? |
| 21:33.53 | Iriel | (An anonymous subclass of SomeClass, that is) |
| 21:33.58 | Tem | great |
| 21:34.01 | Tem | Thanks Iriel |
| 21:34.36 | ckknight | yea, I meant anonymous class, not inner class |
| 21:34.44 | Josh_Borke | lua question: is this the same thing? 'Foo["bar"]["good"][stuff]' and 'Foo.bar.good.stuff' and Foo.bar.good["stuff"]'? |
| 21:34.53 | ckknight | yes |
| 21:34.56 | [MoonWolf] | yes |
| 21:35.16 | ckknight | well, it' s Foo["bar"]["good"]["stuff"] |
| 21:35.32 | Josh_Borke | stuff is a variable :-) |
| 21:35.35 | Tem | then no |
| 21:35.40 | Tem | you could do |
| 21:35.46 | Tem | Foo.bar.good[stuff] |
| 21:35.58 | Josh_Borke | ok |
| 21:36.53 | Iriel | Josh_Borke: (1) is not the same as (2) and (3), but (2) and (3) are the same |
| 21:37.16 | ckknight | Foo.bar.good[stuff] ~= Foo.bar.good["stuff"] |
| 21:37.22 | Iriel | Which is essentially what the other folks said, kinda 8-) |
| 21:37.57 | [MoonWolf] | okay, since the only thing i see is improvements in the priest (maybe not enough for some) how come people talking about a nerf |
| 21:38.18 | Tem | bah no wonder this stuff is getting confusing... They are writing this to be thread safe. |
| 21:38.32 | ckknight | Thread safety is important |
| 21:38.50 | Tem | not in an app that won't ever be run with threads |
| 21:38.53 | Iriel | Well, important when required 8-) |
| 21:39.11 | Iriel | The anonymous subclass trick is handy for Swing and things |
| 21:39.19 | Iriel | where you want to create event handlers easily |
| 21:39.20 | Tem | yeah, that's what I'm looking at |
| 21:39.26 | Iriel | Figured 8-) |
| 21:39.36 | Iriel | It's where I first ran into extensive use of the idea |
| 21:39.55 | Tem | my next assignment is to create a graphical app that when you click in it, it draws dots |
| 21:40.05 | Tem | and creates a regression line to represent the dots |
| 21:40.24 | Tem | pretty simple if you're familliar with the swing stuff |
| 21:40.32 | Tem | but since I'm not, it's slow going |
| 21:41.55 | Iriel | Swing is one of those things that's a pain to get the hang of, but then kinda fun |
| 21:42.07 | [MoonWolf] | you know what would be funny |
| 21:42.16 | [MoonWolf] | if an infused druid would innervate for 20% more... |
| 21:42.25 | Iriel | It's even more fun combined with webstart |
| 21:42.25 | Tem | lol |
| 21:42.25 | Josh_Borke | lol |
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| 21:43.24 | [MoonWolf] | and already people are calling lightwell lifewell |
| 21:43.30 | [MoonWolf] | lrn2rd plx |
| 21:45.23 | Iriel | Back later |
| 21:54.36 | zespri | so they no longer have reduced duration of weakened soul. this is a bummer =( |
| 21:55.26 | Elkano | why? weak soul is down to 15secs anyway |
| 21:56.05 | zespri | oh |
| 21:56.24 | zespri | how did you know? where did I miss this bit? |
| 21:56.37 | Elkano | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:57.02 | zespri | I looked thru forums but obviously missed this post, could you please linked it to me? |
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| 21:57.43 | Elkano | I'm already searching :) |
| 21:58.08 | Josh_Borke | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-priest&t=648886&p=1&tmp=1#post648886 |
| 21:59.02 | zespri | Josh_Borke this thread is deleted I think |
| 21:59.07 | zespri | it opens up empty |
| 21:59.28 | Josh_Borke | haha, they broke it |
| 21:59.35 | Josh_Borke | it was up to 34 pages of responses last i pulled it up |
| 21:59.40 | zespri | they deleted it |
| 21:59.44 | Elkano | ou're probably also noticing that Improved Power Word: Shield no longer reduces the duration of the weakened soul effect and I'm sure you're freaking out. |
| 21:59.44 | Elkano | Worry not, this is because the core ability, Power Word: Shield has been improved to only cause a weakened soul effect of 15 seconds, which previously required three talent points, hence the change detailed below. |
| 21:59.52 | Elkano | nope, it's still there |
| 21:59.59 | zespri | when thread is broken you still can see the first 30-so pages of the thread |
| 22:00.52 | zespri | Elkano, where is this from and why can't I see this on the forums? |
| 22:01.12 | Josh_Borke | it's where i posted |
| 22:01.20 | Josh_Borke | but i could paste the contents somewhere if you'd like |
| 22:01.27 | Elkano | page 2 or so in the priest forums |
| 22:02.30 | Josh_Borke | zespri: http://pastebin.com/569194 |
| 22:02.32 | Crispix | ello all :D |
| 22:03.57 | Josh_Borke | hello |
| 22:03.59 | Josh_Borke | good bye :-) |
| 22:04.47 | zespri | ok thank you all |
| 22:06.50 | Cairenn | back shortly |
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| 22:15.26 | Tem | lol I just thought of something funny for the new spirit of redemption |
| 22:15.51 | Tem | in combination with the new holy nova |
| 22:15.57 | Tem | run in WITH the mages to aoe |
| 22:16.12 | Tem | when you die, keep casting holy nova :) |
| 22:20.37 | cladhaire | hehe =) |
| 22:20.53 | cladhaire | too bad you can't first cast yoru ToEp on the mage =/ |
| 22:21.31 | cladhaire | i'm excited |
| 22:24.54 | cladhaire | Tem RU THERE? |
| 22:25.07 | Tem | I'm here |
| 22:25.18 | Cairenn | anyone in channel able to read korean? |
| 22:25.35 | cladhaire | no Cair.. and hi |
| 22:25.38 | Cairenn | hi |
| 22:25.45 | Gryphen | heya |
| 22:26.02 | cladhaire | Tem: I'm working on frame collision... they both have the same parent.. Should i expect anything odd from the coordinate system based on scaling? |
| 22:26.47 | Tem | I'd say no as long as they are both the same effective scale it should be fairly straightforward |
| 22:26.57 | Tem | but I don't have a complete understanding of how that works |
| 22:27.23 | cladhaire | ok |
| 22:27.25 | cladhaire | i'll have to play |
| 22:27.32 | cladhaire | just didn't know if you had any DANGER signs or anythin |
| 22:29.40 | Cairenn | Danger Will Robinson Danger! |
| 22:29.51 | Cairenn | sorry :p |
| 22:36.09 | Tem | lol Cair |
| 22:36.57 | Cairenn | speaking of Danger, and the reason why I asked if anyone can read Korean ... supposedly the complete 1.10 patch notes are up on the Korean site |
| 22:38.40 | cladhaire | O RLY? |
| 22:38.43 | cladhaire | thats exciting |
| 22:38.45 | Cairenn | supposedly |
| 22:38.55 | Cairenn | I can't read Korean, so I can't verify :p |
| 22:39.04 | futrtrubl | I want someone do a korean localization of BEB |
| 22:39.34 | cladhaire | Act |
| 22:39.53 | cladhaire | GetCenter() no longer returns scale independent locations. |
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| 22:48.20 | Elkano | Cairenn, if you find so able to read Korean, tell me about him... I still wonder what they are talking about my addon :/ |
| 22:48.40 | Elkano | and you could try google's translator, maybe it will at least give some clues |
| 22:48.49 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:50.11 | cladhaire | Iriel needs a forum shredder of his own |
| 22:50.22 | cladhaire | I always end up searching for his posts =) |
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| 22:51.44 | cladhaire | Anyone have a link to Iriel's post that discusses the coordinate system with respect to scaling? |
| 22:51.55 | cladhaire | oh.. hi Iriel, you snuck in =) |
| 22:52.07 | Iriel | It was an Iriel/Legorol co-production if i recall correctly |
| 22:52.11 | Iriel | What do you need to know? |
| 22:52.21 | Crispix | brb |
| 22:52.25 | cladhaire | I need to do collision detection between frames of different scales |
| 22:53.07 | cladhaire | :GetCenter() returns the coordinates with respect to the current scaling, from what I can see. |
| 22:53.18 | Iriel | Yes |
| 22:53.21 | cladhaire | and I remember you two had the "formula" for true coordinates |
| 22:53.30 | Iriel | GetLeft/Right/Top/Bottom/Center are all frame-relative |
| 22:53.34 | cladhaire | was going to use it for reference as i move forward |
| 22:53.59 | Iriel | It's scaled by the frame's Effective scale |
| 22:54.08 | Iriel | if you want to compare frames, just apply that correction |
| 22:54.39 | cladhaire | ok. that makes sense, and where I was headed. |
| 22:54.52 | Iriel | local l,r,t,b,s = f:GetLeft(),f:GetRight(),f:GetTop(),f:GetBottm(),f:GetEffectiveScale();l,r,t,b = l*s,r*s,t*s,b*s; |
| 22:55.30 | cladhaire | Got ya =) |
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| 23:05.07 | cladhaire | Thanks |
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| 23:45.32 | sweede | i got an addon that has a command that takes an item link in the chat box. it looks up the items name in a table and returns a number. If the item isnt found in teh table, i'd like a box to pop up and ask for a number, then when you press OK, the script continues and the item value is filled in. Currently what happens is that the script keeps executing, not waiting for input from the text box. |
| 23:45.38 | sweede | anyone know how to fix that ? |
| 23:46.08 | Iriel | You never 'wait' for anything in WoW's UI |
| 23:46.15 | Iriel | you simply bring up the box, and then stpo executing |
| 23:46.23 | Iriel | and have the rest of the code run when OK is pressed |
| 23:47.11 | sweede | hmm.. |
| 23:47.42 | sweede | man.. |
| 23:47.56 | sweede | i'm gonna have to change the logic/flow of the script :| |
| 23:51.24 | sweede | would this be a good idea? |
| 23:51.26 | sweede | while(FullPrice == nil ) do |
| 23:51.28 | sweede | stuff |
| 23:51.37 | Iriel | only if 'stuff' will set FullPrice |
| 23:51.53 | Iriel | Remember, time is stopped while your script is running |
| 23:51.55 | Iriel | no user input |
| 23:51.55 | sweede | ya, which i outlined in my first wall of text there. |
| 23:51.58 | Iriel | no events |
| 23:52.05 | Iriel | No world movement |
| 23:52.06 | Iriel | nothing |
| 23:52.22 | sweede | will you be able to enter text into a text box ? |
| 23:52.27 | Iriel | <Iriel> no user input |
| 23:52.36 | sweede | oo |
| 23:52.46 | Iriel | No screen updating of any form, either |
| 23:52.54 | sweede | well... that does let me do what i'd like it to then. |
| 23:53.13 | Iriel | I assume you mean doesn't. |
| 23:53.19 | sweede | ya |
| 23:53.21 | sweede | doesnt |
| 23:54.45 | sweede | http://pastebin.com/569399 |
| 23:55.52 | Iriel | You want to move all the bottom part of the code (32 onwards) into a new function, say SetFullPrice |
| 23:56.02 | Iriel | (with IAS_Auction_ in front, obviously) |
| 23:56.23 | Iriel | then call it either when you have the price, or from the enter handling part of IAS_PriceLootFrame |
| 23:56.42 | Iriel | You'll have to remember to pass in the item and name and stuff, also |
| 23:56.56 | sweede | Oh, ok.. i see now.. |
| 23:57.12 | Iriel | cladhaire : http://www.wowwiki.com/UI_Coordinates |
| 23:57.14 | Iriel | How's that? |
