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00:04.04 | End | ~saturday |
00:04.07 | purl | Saturday is the day that sucks the least! |
00:04.24 | Shouryuu | ~sunday |
00:04.25 | purl | Sunday sucks, because tomorrow is monday (See monday). Also, sunday is the day we do all the stuff we should've done Saturday, but didn't. |
00:08.39 | Shouryuu | argghhh |
00:08.46 | Shouryuu | I'm having internet lag spikes |
00:08.57 | Shouryuu | really pissing me off |
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00:15.40 | id` | i have 48 honorable kills |
00:15.53 | id` | where can i read about what they stand for and do in the game? |
00:15.58 | id` | (in my first battleground ever btw) |
00:16.58 | Maldivia | a honorable kill is if you've helped kill someone of the opposite faction that's at least 80% of your level or up |
00:17.42 | Maldivia | depending on how much you've helped, you get contribution points - they are tallied once a week, and you're PvP rank is determined |
00:18.06 | Maldivia | when you gain pvp ranks, you get access to a pvp vendor |
00:18.09 | Shouryuu | anyone here know of a good program that constantly measures you upload/download and ping? |
00:18.43 | Shouryuu | I keep getting these huge lag spikes |
00:18.46 | Shouryuu | and don't know why... |
00:19.02 | Shouryuu | I want to check if it's my internet or my comp... |
00:19.30 | Maldivia | start a command prompt and: ping -t www.google.com |
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00:47.24 | End | hey Guillotine, are you there? |
00:47.30 | Guillotine | kind of |
00:47.34 | Guillotine | playing AB |
00:48.05 | End | replacing LanguageWords.dbc or whatever with a blank file (in terms of a dbc sort of blank) just means everyone speaking other languages speaks empty strings |
00:48.15 | End | in other words, I'm seeing a lot of: |
00:48.21 | End | [Gutterspeak] |
00:48.24 | End | [Gutterspeak] |
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01:16.22 | Guillotine | interesting |
01:16.25 | Guillotine | it used to work |
01:16.36 | Guillotine | did you 0 pad it? |
01:18.48 | End | no |
01:19.14 | End | it's just the header that says it has zero records |
01:19.36 | End | and that's it, no more file after that |
01:30.18 | Guillotine | hmm |
02:00.36 | ForgottenLords | does anyone know of a mod that highlights a specific player in chat? such as raid leader? |
02:00.51 | Codayus | yes |
02:01.15 | Codayus | CTRA highlights the raid leader. |
02:02.03 | Codayus | And more generally, CleanChat hilights player names. |
02:06.46 | ForgottenLords | kk, cool |
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02:58.29 | futrtrubl | sweet, I now have a website. Now I have to build it with now html knowledge |
02:58.33 | futrtrubl | no* |
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03:25.52 | Corrodias | web sites |
03:25.54 | Corrodias | those are annoying |
03:33.17 | MentalPower|AFK | Ok, the best pair of post I've read on our forums http://norganna.org/bb/index.php?act=findpost&pid=4174 Poster 1's Question: "How do you purge?" Poster 2's Response: "I eat a bran muffin then enable my Concentration Aura. Then just wait. :)" |
03:33.37 | MentalPower | Just wanted to share :) |
03:33.39 | Codayus | oO |
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03:36.12 | Flisher_Coding | Hello folk, anyone is good with regex inside wow? |
03:37.41 | Flisher_Coding | I need to take a string like "99 10 10 na 10 0", where columng 1,3,5,7 are number, and the column 2,4,6,8 can be number or text. I need to get result like a=99, b=10, overhead="10 na 10 0". |
03:37.53 | Flisher_Coding | it'll be something like a,b,overhead = string.find(msg, ????? ) |
03:38.17 | Flisher_Coding | the length can vary, so overhead can be empty |
03:38.47 | Codayus | hmm |
03:38.56 | Codayus | Yeah, that sounds fairly simple. |
03:39.22 | Flisher_Coding | plan is to reuse the same thing untill there is no overhead |
03:40.47 | Codayus | Hmm |
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03:42.33 | Codayus | Hmm, off the top of my head, something like: "^(%d+)%s(%w+)(.)" |
03:43.22 | Codayus | Or, actually: "^(%d+)%s(%w+)%s(.*)" |
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03:44.33 | Codayus | That should return the first number, the second number/word, and everything else. <shrug> I haven't had much cause to play with lua pattern matching. |
03:45.29 | Corrodias | it's not just LUA. regular expressions are usable in many languages |
03:45.59 | Corrodias | it's just a pattern matching ... grammar? syntax? protocol? method, perhaps |
03:46.07 | End | imo, lua is a lot lesser powerful than most others though |
03:46.33 | Codayus | However, regular expressions are not usable in WoW. |
03:46.35 | Tain | Lua doesn't fully implement regex |
03:46.41 | Codayus | Lua pattern matching isn't the same thing. :-) |
03:46.44 | Tain | well, actually lua doesn't implement regex. It has it's own |
03:47.02 | Flisher_Coding | yeah |
03:47.08 | End | well, there's a lot of variants, such as perl, posix, basic, etc etc |
03:47.20 | Codayus | There is a lua regexp implementation, I believe, but it's pretty huge, and not available inside WoW. |
03:47.27 | Corrodias | i see, i see |
03:48.31 | Flisher_Coding | I have problem with the wildcard thing to get everything after the first 2 field |
03:48.40 | Codayus | Oh? |
03:49.09 | Codayus | What is it doing? |
03:49.26 | Flisher_Coding | msg = "99 aa 11 22"; |
03:49.26 | Flisher_Coding | a={} |
03:49.26 | Flisher_Coding | _,_,a.num, a.cooldown, a.overhead = string.find(msg, |
03:49.26 | Flisher_Coding | "(%w+) (%w+) (%w*)" |
03:49.27 | Flisher_Coding | ); |
03:49.48 | Flisher_Coding | will return num=99, cooldown=aa, overhead=11 |
03:49.53 | Flisher_Coding | but I need everything to the end |
03:49.59 | Codayus | Well, of course it does. |
03:50.11 | Codayus | %w doesn't match whitespace. |
03:50.22 | futrtrubl | %.+ |
03:51.06 | Corrodias | but he set it up with white spaces between them.. |
03:51.18 | Corrodias | i shouldn't talk. i have barely ever used regexp. |
03:51.20 | Codayus | Did you see my suggestion? |
03:51.34 | Flisher_Coding | yes |
03:52.19 | Flisher_Coding | "(%w+) (%w+) (.+)" do it :) |
03:52.23 | Flisher_Coding | thank's everybody ! |
03:52.42 | Codayus | :-) |
03:52.47 | futrtrubl | would your sudgestion strip the whitespace after the 2nd catch |
03:52.58 | futrtrubl | ? |
03:53.30 | Codayus | Only the first one. |
03:54.33 | futrtrubl | actaully, wouldn't make a dif, anything before the first number will be skipped next time he iterates |
03:55.54 | Codayus | Unless you began the pattern with ^, of course. <shrug> |
03:57.51 | Tain | Ah what a whoopin this game ended up being. |
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04:15.49 | Flisher_Coding | Hum, got a minor problem with "(%w+) (%w+) (.+)", if there is no remaining, it's doesn't work, anyone got a clue on how making it optional? |
04:16.54 | GenNMX | Flisher_Coding: Check if the string is nil before you use it. |
04:17.19 | Flisher_Coding | the problem isn't this |
04:17.32 | Flisher_Coding | the problem is if I have no 3rd argument, it doesn't match the first 2 |
04:17.57 | Flisher_Coding | first run there might be 8 argument, then 6, then 4, then 2 |
04:18.04 | Flisher_Coding | but when there is 2, it doesn't match |
04:18.07 | GenNMX | You can do this: arg1,arg2,_ = functionwiththreereturns |
04:18.20 | GenNMX | _ throws away a return value |
04:24.15 | Flisher_Coding | anyone knwo what make a parameter optional in a lua regex? |
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04:26.43 | GenNMX | If you're having those types of problems, you need to change your regex |
04:27.09 | GenNMX | What is the string you're trying to parse, and what's the regex you're using? |
04:27.43 | Flisher_Coding | the string will look line "11 22 33 44 55 66 77 88" |
04:28.19 | Flisher_Coding | my goal is to pair 11 with 22, 33 with 44, 55 with 66, etc |
04:28.34 | Flisher_Coding | There are numerous way but I'm trying to find the most efficient cpu/memory wize |
04:28.36 | futrtrubl | <Flisher_Coding> I need to take a string like "99 10 10 na 10 0", where columng 1,3,5,7 are number, and the column 2,4,6,8 can be number or text. I need to get result like a=99, b=10, overhead="10 na 10 0". |
04:29.47 | futrtrubl | did you try <Codayus> Hmm, off the top of my head, something like: "^(%d+)%s(%w+)(.)" |
04:34.55 | Codayus | I revised that to "^(%d+)%s(%w+)%s(.*)". |
04:35.15 | Codayus | However, on reflextion, it should probably be: |
04:35.39 | Codayus | "(%d+)%s(%w+)(.*)". |
04:36.31 | Codayus | Or actually, uh.... "^(%d+)%s(%w+)%s?(.*)". |
04:36.59 | Codayus | The key is .* which matches 0 or more. .+ matches 1 or more. Since that term is optional, you want * and not +. |
04:37.14 | Flisher_Coding | ok |
04:37.51 | Flisher_Coding | Gotcha! it's alive :-P |
04:37.51 | GenNMX | %s messes me up with Lua regexp...other regexp use it as string or substitution, heh. |
04:40.42 | futrtrubl | what's the ? do Codayus? |
04:40.50 | Codayus | ? means 0 or 1. |
04:41.02 | futrtrubl | so, a space or nothing? |
04:41.07 | Codayus | Right |
04:41.14 | GenNMX | ? following a single character pattern allows for 0 or 1 occurance |
04:41.15 | Codayus | On the last iteration, there won't be a space, hence the ?. |
04:41.17 | futrtrubl | I is teh smrt |
04:49.45 | Flisher_Coding | eazy one: to check if a variable is a number? |
04:50.55 | GenNMX | I think isnumber() |
04:51.46 | Flisher_Coding | nah :( |
04:51.52 | GenNMX | Sorry, type(var) == "number" |
04:52.23 | GenNMX | Knew there was tonumber, but no isnumber...lua uses type() instead |
04:52.59 | Flisher_Coding | b = "11"; is a string... but I might compare with is own tonumber to check if it's not number |
04:53.44 | Flisher_Coding | nil = tonumber(b) if it's not a number in the string, |
04:54.24 | GenNMX | I'm confused, what are you trying to do? Check if it equals 11? |
04:55.45 | Flisher_Coding | my variable is a string, but can contain "11" or "na", soo checking if tonumber(b) return either 11 or nil, soo I can use tonumber to validate |
04:57.47 | futrtrubl | don't use nil as a var name ;'] does tonumber return nil if it fails? if so then you could use if (tonumber(var)) then... |
04:58.00 | GenNMX | Is the variable always going to be a string, or are you going to do b = tonumber(b) and leave it like that? You shouldn't convert a string to a number and then back again unless you're doing some type of arithmatic |
04:58.38 | futrtrubl | he still needs to check if the string is a number |
04:59.10 | GenNMX | Well it's either a number or na, right? |
04:59.20 | futrtrubl | yup |
04:59.36 | GenNMX | I'd do b ~= "na" |
04:59.48 | futrtrubl | good idea |
05:00.25 | futrtrubl | well I hope it is either a number or "na" |
05:01.23 | GenNMX | Using tonumber() will kill any debugging, since it sounds like to me it _should_ be a number or "na" |
05:01.39 | GenNMX | So if it fails right after that, you know it's either the wrong number, or not a number |
05:02.19 | futrtrubl | does tonumber() return nil if it fails, or does it whine? |
05:02.33 | GenNMX | Should return nil, lemme check |
05:02.52 | GenNMX | Aye, nil it returns |
05:04.01 | futrtrubl | very nice, so if his var is either a number or "na" then (var~= "na") will do, else (tonumber(var)) will work |
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05:05.43 | futrtrubl | Cairenn!!!!! ;'] |
05:05.48 | GenNMX | Hmm, the Lua manual hints that something can have a type of "nil" (not just a value), but doesn't say when that occurs. I hope it's only when it has the value of nil. |
05:05.49 | futrtrubl | hows the hubby? |
05:05.51 | Cairenn | hey :) |
05:06.01 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
05:06.07 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
05:06.11 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
05:06.14 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
05:06.19 | futrtrubl | I di |
05:06.23 | futrtrubl | oh, I did |
05:06.29 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
05:06.54 | GenNMX | You know, there is only one time when I feel THAT good, Cairenn... |
05:07.04 | GenNMX | After eating some peanut-butter ice cream. |
05:07.27 | GenNMX | Mmmm. I'm a naughty boy. |
05:07.36 | futrtrubl | mmm, penut butter/coffee/chocolate/caramel swirls..... |
05:08.13 | GenNMX | I'm only talking so much because my cat is obscuring my WoW computer's monitor. |
05:08.47 | futrtrubl | your cat only wants some NE action |
05:08.51 | Osagasu | Odd |
05:09.17 | Osagasu | ForgottenChat just stopped filtering out the Whispers from the normal window |
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05:11.37 | futrtrubl | you didn't give him enough attention ;'] |
05:11.51 | GenNMX | Oh wait, I'm tired, I read your message and got the opposite idea |
05:12.22 | GenNMX | I retract my previous statement with exclamation! |
05:14.54 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
05:15.01 | futrtrubl | where can I find individual cosmos addons, like mobileframes? |
05:15.03 | GenNMX | I just got back from my mother's 40th birthday party. We were doing DDR, Kareoke Revolution, Poppin', etc. |
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05:16.39 | GenNMX | What's the big deal with MobileFrames, anyway? |
05:18.10 | futrtrubl | I like it, it's simpler than moveanything or DFM and does all I need |
05:18.10 | GenNMX | Cairenn: Didn't you have server problems during or after 1.9, like the other big addon sites? I seem to recall people saying "WOWI is down :(" |
05:18.26 | futrtrubl | that wasn't the patches fault |
05:18.50 | Osagasu | This is odd |
05:18.52 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
05:19.05 | Osagasu | For some reason I can't hide whispers |
05:19.12 | Osagasu | I uncheck it |
05:19.15 | Osagasu | but I still see them |
05:19.49 | Osagasu | I guess I'm without FC for a while |
05:20.50 | GenNMX | I'm surprised then, why do people still use curse-gaming over WOWI? curse has like 4KB monthly cap. |
05:21.33 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
05:21.41 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
05:22.16 | futrtrubl | I think they have more addons currently |
05:22.30 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
05:22.37 | Guillotine | Cairenn: have you seen the responses at http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3066 ? |
05:22.41 | Guillotine | I would like to know as well |
05:22.49 | GenNMX | By people, I mean devs. |
05:23.13 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
05:23.23 | Guillotine | indeed |
05:23.46 | Guillotine | but in case you think the horse is still alive: curse and worldofwar.net upload people's addons from other sites without asking permission |
05:23.51 | futrtrubl | I don't think loz released his profile extractor on wowi |
05:23.56 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
05:24.13 | Guillotine | ok. so he didn't send it to you? that was all I was asking ;) |
05:24.17 | Guillotine | I'm sure he will soon |
05:24.46 | GenNMX | Ahh, so WoWI won't allow uploads of addons from a different source then the author? Gotcha. |
05:24.50 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
05:25.04 | Guillotine | ya |
05:25.18 | Guillotine | he seems like he likes being dependent on noone but himself. even when hes doing everyone a HUGE favor |
05:25.36 | futrtrubl | cash isn't a problem (well for hosting purposes) anymore, ad revenue is more than paying for his hosting |
05:26.11 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
05:26.34 | futrtrubl | agreed Cair |
05:26.46 | GenNMX | futrtrubl: Except discordmods.com is still down |
05:26.49 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
05:27.00 | GenNMX | I'm guessing "suspended" doesn't mean he has a database problem ;) |
05:27.15 | futrtrubl | GenNMX, that's because his hostre sucked, so he's moving it to a different one |
05:27.34 | Guillotine | yup |
05:27.35 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
05:27.36 | Guillotine | hes said it was a bug |
05:27.45 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
05:27.48 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
05:27.57 | futrtrubl | no, that suspended page is in error, that error doesn't even still exist for his hoster and they can't stop it showing |
05:28.06 | Guillotine | keep beating it! I for one, now, only use WoWI |
05:28.22 | GenNMX | Hah |
05:28.29 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
05:28.43 | Guillotine | its actually mainly because theres not enough support at other sites |
05:28.47 | futrtrubl | I'll preferentially use wowi, but I'll use whatever site has my mod ;'] |
05:29.04 | Guillotine | whenever I upload a mod to another site, it takes weeks to get uploaded |
05:29.12 | Guillotine | and by then I have a new version |
05:29.20 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
05:29.48 | futrtrubl | I've never had an issue with versions being accepted timelyly |
05:29.56 | GenNMX | Sorry, I've been out of the forum scene for a long time, and before that it was only wow's forums. |
05:30.14 | Guillotine | also, another thing that I don't like about the other sites: they do not follow the policy that addons may *never* have undocumented 'features'. I've found a couple with some pretty nasty things |
05:30.34 | Guillotine | one actually attempted to send the author money if you were on his server |
05:31.05 | GenNMX | It's pretty easy to make an "addon virus" if the user is unaware. |
05:31.15 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
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05:32.20 | Guillotine | I know. I'm just giving my personal opinion |
05:32.20 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
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05:35.31 | futrtrubl | and why I'll have BEB on WoWI and all the rest |
05:35.41 | GenNMX | Cairenn: I understand your resignation, since your type of highbrow site attracts elitists which have the tendency to rant when poked at by the trolls in the anarchial communities. The case is even more so with wowace.com. |
05:36.09 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
05:36.15 | futrtrubl | ?! |
05:36.43 | GenNMX | Even that the Internet itself is free, most will revel in the anarchial nature of the other communities, where the smart people who actually care about the community they're joining will go to places like wowinteface.com. |
05:37.17 | GenNMX | So if you'd rather have smart people over just anyone, it's win-win for you. |
05:37.19 | futrtrubl | ahhh, now it's sounding less like an attack on wowi |
05:38.48 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
05:39.14 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
05:39.22 | futrtrubl | and I wouldn't call the people that go there elitists |
05:39.27 | GenNMX | You're "highbrow" compared to these anarchial communities where people can't even read the mod notes ;) |
05:39.44 | futrtrubl | that's not what highbrow means |
05:40.11 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
05:40.14 | futrtrubl | highbrow has very snobbish conotations |
05:40.25 | Osagasu | Okay |
05:41.18 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
05:41.54 | Tain | Someone have the servants deal with this |
05:41.55 | GenNMX | futrtrubl: Right, and people on the Internet will generally get "brain envy" at people of higher intelligence, if they meet a certan threshold |
05:43.01 | GenNMX | If you want to understand and debate something, but can't, it will frustrate the hell out of you. Instead of turning on yourself (only pimply nerds like me do that), you'll lash out at others, blaming your problems on them. |
05:45.20 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
05:47.06 | GenNMX | Cairenn: The IQ of the planet is relatively low when it comes to computers. You're smarter then you think. |
05:47.18 | GenNMX | And I'm not trying to be elitist here ;) |
05:48.24 | Osagasu | Ah damnit |
05:48.30 | Corrodias | smart people don't download mods except from the original author's site |
05:48.32 | Osagasu | I found what was causing the problems with whispers |
05:48.50 | Corrodias | because then you can run up the bandwidth costs! |
05:49.08 | GenNMX | Please don't download from www.matts-hosting.com, it's on my Cable :( |
05:49.11 | futrtrubl | but I don't have a site Corrodias ;'] |
05:49.57 | Corrodias | my own 'morals', if you want to call them that, chafe at the idea of someone being able to control who gets something just because he made it |
05:50.25 | futrtrubl | not much to download there GenNMX ;'] |
05:50.50 | Tain | You don't agree with the idea of trademark, copyright, intellectual property, Corrodias? |
05:50.57 | GenNMX | futrtrubl: It's hidden so people can't tax my bandwidth...actually no, it's horrible open |
05:51.17 | Corrodias | in a society like the USA, with copyright and patent running free, i need a lot of gold bond. |
05:51.30 | GenNMX | Corrodias: I fail to see the logic in organized religion, but I accept people's rights to pursue it. |
05:52.23 | GenNMX | I'll just donate to the Carl Sagan foundation and try to debate with preachers in the meantime. |
05:52.39 | Corrodias | i don't know what that is |
05:52.45 | futrtrubl | well, I finally got around to updating my addons for 1.9 ;'] |
05:53.17 | Corrodias | yay |
05:53.57 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
05:54.06 | Guillotine | ty :) |
05:54.19 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
05:54.34 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
05:54.43 | GenNMX | Corrodias: http://www.carlsagan.com/, one of the pinnacles of critical reasoning. |
05:55.08 | Geometrix | carl sagan was the man! |
05:55.23 | Corrodias | Warpath.. is that a compilation someone here works on or is that something someone in my guild works on? i can't remember |
05:56.11 | Corrodias | guess it's probably just the latter |
05:56.36 | futrtrubl | with a name like that it couldn't be one of us ;'] |
05:59.05 | AnduinLothar | why look, it's a cair, she does exist |
05:59.48 | AnduinLothar | so um, there's a bags catagory... why isn't it just inventory? wouldn't that be more general? |
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06:00.36 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
06:00.45 | AnduinLothar | :P |
06:01.01 | AnduinLothar | cept not i cant put Wardrobe in it cause it's not a bag mod |
06:01.19 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
06:01.30 | GenNMX | The "bags" catagory is where the authors who spent many sleepless nights working on an addon put their final creation |
06:01.45 | AnduinLothar | sounds like me |
06:01.45 | Corrodias | haha. |
06:01.57 | AnduinLothar | seeing as i finished it at 6am |
06:01.57 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
06:02.11 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
06:02.16 | AnduinLothar | bah, who reads descriptions |
06:02.23 | AnduinLothar | :) thx |
06:02.41 | GenNMX | What are we talking about, anyway? |
06:02.45 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
06:03.39 | Corrodias | "bags" vs "inventory" addons |
06:03.52 | GenNMX | Corrodias: I guessed that |
06:04.00 | Corrodias | you're tricksy |
06:04.07 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
06:04.17 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
06:04.23 | AnduinLothar | Dooooo it |
06:04.29 | GenNMX | But they can't be talking about WoWI, since it has an "Inventory" listing |
06:04.35 | AnduinLothar | item related |
06:04.50 | AnduinLothar | then u can do loot mods too |
06:05.26 | GenNMX | Item related? Wardrobe is an addon? I'm confused. |
06:05.49 | AnduinLothar | dont do drugs |
06:05.53 | AnduinLothar | those are items |
06:06.17 | Corrodias | "hmm, a wow realm forum. i'll open a thread." // "Service Unavailable" |
06:06.40 | AnduinLothar | close and open ina new tab, works liek a charm |
06:06.44 | GenNMX | Are we talking about Keybinding catagories? |
06:07.54 | Corrodias | hey, it did. thanks |
06:08.02 | GenNMX | Nevermind, I forgot I hate 20 questions. |
06:08.15 | Corrodias | i wish it didn't count my own posts as "new" |
06:08.15 | GenNMX | Except that 20 questions AI ball, that's cool. |
06:10.31 | AnduinLothar | grr.. makign me take preview images |
06:19.40 | AnduinLothar | Wardrobe-AL --> WoWI |
06:19.46 | AnduinLothar | it's almost like theivery |
06:20.11 | Corrodias | -al? |
06:20.23 | Corrodias | are you not the original author? |
06:20.29 | AnduinLothar | ya well there's too many, i had to distinguish |
06:21.22 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
06:21.57 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge by Cairenn -> Happy Birthday Beladona |
06:22.18 | AnduinLothar | Nope, Cragganmore started it, then Miravlix picked it up, then Miravlix quit wow, then nemes modified it and removed sea/chronos, then someone else converted it to ace/timex then Miravlix came back and made his 1.9 compatible, but i had already fixed my local copy, then i made a ton of modifications to mine so now there's like 4 or 5 versions. |
06:23.22 | AnduinLothar | so mines branched from Wardrobe-lix 1.3.1 technically |
06:24.11 | Corrodias | l o l. |
06:25.57 | AnduinLothar | but it's like Wardrobe-nemes 1.4 in that it no longer requires sea/chronos, however it still contains the mount/east/drink/plaugelands instant swapping and utilized IsMounted to fix some problems the other versions have with hunter speed buffs, and it also uses MobileMinimapButtons if you have it cause I like to use my own libs and make everything work the same way |
06:26.25 | GenNMX | lol. |
06:26.30 | Corrodias | sounds secksy |
06:26.44 | GenNMX | why did you space out lol? |
06:26.52 | AnduinLothar | plus it includes Titan support because it no longer worked with TitanWardrobe cause I renamed everything in the process of OOing it |
06:28.22 | Corrodias | EL OH EL |
06:28.26 | Corrodias | just because |
06:28.31 | AnduinLothar | drugs are bad |
06:28.36 | Corrodias | m'kay |
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06:36.29 | Tain | Why is the search function at the WoW forums such a filthy rotten liar |
06:36.39 | Geometrix | AnduinLothar, you just update Wardrobe for 1.9? |
06:36.57 | Geometrix | Tain, because the WoW Forums are filthy rotten liars |
06:36.59 | AnduinLothar | 'just' doesn't wuite explain it |
06:37.20 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
06:37.37 | AnduinLothar | since I also converted it to object oriented code which ttook like 5 hours strait |
06:37.55 | AnduinLothar | plus blah blah and blah blah blah |
06:38.31 | Corrodias | what's different about the plaguelands? |
06:38.50 | Corrodias | i mean, why do their get their own outfit? |
06:39.05 | AnduinLothar | so you can auto-equip the trinket |
06:39.23 | AnduinLothar | and any +undead if u want |
06:39.43 | Corrodias | what trinket? |
06:39.47 | Corrodias | <- noob |
06:40.01 | Geometrix | Argent commission |
06:40.10 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
06:40.37 | Flisher_Coding | Soo there is a 99th fork of wardrobe :-P |
06:40.47 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
06:40.55 | Geometrix | nothing better than forking a project |
06:40.56 | AnduinLothar | yes flisher, muah ha ha |
06:41.06 | AnduinLothar | fork fork fork!!! |
06:41.07 | Corrodias | 'cept maybe forking a child |
06:41.11 | AnduinLothar | ew |
06:41.12 | Corrodias | we had great fun with that in my OS class |
06:42.15 | AnduinLothar | well see i'd presonally rather someone else just built on this one update of mine, cause i dont wanna maintain yet another addon |
06:42.28 | AnduinLothar | i was just gonna give it to mira, but he hasn't been on in a few days |
06:42.44 | Tain | Borka borka |
06:43.21 | AnduinLothar | Thanks to Nemos for the screenshots. Yoink! |
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06:53.47 | AnduinLothar | hmmm, ok.. that's one more project down.. now.. what to do... which project to work on.. |
06:54.12 | AnduinLothar | could work on ArchRaid... |
06:54.48 | AnduinLothar | or MF |
06:55.06 | AnduinLothar | or Splitting Sky and optimizing for 1.9s new channels |
06:55.22 | AnduinLothar | or make my SpellCastInfo lib |
06:55.33 | AnduinLothar | or... make a channel color by name mod.. |
06:55.42 | AnduinLothar | or split up earth |
06:56.05 | AnduinLothar | or... make a Pager that works for party/raid |
06:56.39 | AnduinLothar | or make a Titan Bag Menu |
06:56.54 | AnduinLothar | decisions decisions |
06:57.06 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
06:57.15 | Corrodias | nah... |
06:57.23 | Corrodias | what is MF? |
06:57.28 | AnduinLothar | mobile frames |
06:58.02 | GenNMX | AnduinLothar: What's wrong with the bag menu already made for Titan? |
06:58.11 | AnduinLothar | what? where? |
06:58.35 | Corrodias | your wardrobe requires "MobileMinimapButtons"? is that an absolute requirement or an optional one? |
06:58.37 | GenNMX | ui.worldofwar.net I think I found it on, it can show how many slots are left in each bag |
06:58.54 | AnduinLothar | oh, no i dont need slots, i got a mod for that |
06:59.08 | GenNMX | So what do you need? |
06:59.11 | AnduinLothar | I mean a bag replacement with sorting sub menus |
06:59.16 | Corrodias | never mind, i see optional requirements now |
06:59.36 | GenNMX | Ahh, I don't think it does sorting, but you can open your bags using it |
06:59.57 | AnduinLothar | no no, i don't want to ever look at the bags again |
07:00.02 | AnduinLothar | Replacement |
07:00.35 | GenNMX | Right, it sits in Titan Panel |
07:00.41 | GenNMX | Does anyone use MetaMap? |
07:00.51 | Corrodias | metamap, don't think i've heard of it |
07:01.48 | GenNMX | MetaMap is like a combination of MapNotes and Atlas, with MozzFullWorldMap, WoWKB, and Alpha support. |
07:02.42 | Corrodias | hooray for fullworldmap |
07:03.47 | Corrodias | ..huh. i wonder why Silver wrote "SilverTrack" when BCUI Tracking Menu already existed and does the same thing, only better |
07:04.48 | Corrodias | ah, he moved the menu |
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07:08.52 | Guillotine | cair, you need to get bel into here so we can sing him happy birthday! |
07:08.56 | Guillotine | or.. type him happy birthday |
07:09.02 | Corrodias | all right, i'm wanting an addon that keeps track of not only my alt's inventory but also his equipment |
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07:11.03 | Corrodias | beautiful, looks like one i saw quite a while ago and couldn't think of, thanks |
07:11.10 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
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07:12.44 | AnduinLothar | actually Corrodias, TrackerToggle does the same thing, menu on the minimap |
07:13.05 | Corrodias | i just saw that. hilarious. |
07:13.46 | Corrodias | after reading the descriptions of those two, i believe i prefer BCUI Tracking Menu, although i'm glad several people stepped up to make a nice menu like that |
07:13.58 | AnduinLothar | We actually came up with TrackerToggle first, I suggested the idea to sinaloit back in may and he coded it up using earth and sea |
07:14.40 | AnduinLothar | it's been in Cosmos forever, but i updated it to be dependancy free a month or so ago |
07:14.46 | Corrodias | nifty |
07:15.01 | AnduinLothar | I like it better than SilverTrack cause it catagorizes the Tracking types |
07:15.11 | Corrodias | there appear to be two main differences: TrackerToggle categorizes them and it has a "cancel" option |
07:15.13 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
07:15.30 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
07:15.42 | Corrodias | the bcui one just has them in a list (which can popup on mouseover) and you right-click the icon to "cancel" like in the default UI |
07:15.46 | AnduinLothar | what does bct have that TrackerToggle doesn't? |
07:16.12 | Corrodias | i might change to trackertoggle. i wonder if i want them categorized. |
07:16.33 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
07:17.03 | Corrodias | i didn't use that before because i needed to change aspects too quickly. now i use Aspected, so it's moot anyway |
07:17.32 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
07:17.34 | Corrodias | i assigned F1-whatever to the shapeshift bar so those are for aspects now |
07:17.49 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
07:17.51 | Corrodias | well, when my pet dies and something is about to beat my ass i want to hit the monkey key |
07:18.10 | Corrodias | *if i can beat it |
07:18.41 | Corrodias | of course, there's no point in sticking around if you can't beat it. then it's WC (or in a few levels, FD) time |
07:18.52 | GenNMX | Cairenn posts with a Level 32 Hunter on WoW's forums ;) |
07:19.44 | AnduinLothar | anyone tried SqueakyWheel? |
07:19.50 | GenNMX | Hmm, there is a good alternative to Gatherer? It's kinda a resource hog (no pun intended) |
07:19.56 | AnduinLothar | is it kinda like emergency monitor in ctra? |
07:20.04 | Corrodias | it is a resource hog, i hear |
07:20.08 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
07:20.15 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
07:20.26 | GenNMX | Warmup shows it as my biggest addon, beating out CTRA at 6.1MB |
07:20.28 | Corrodias | you could just manually make mapnotes for the more valuable deposits of stuff you find, but other than that, i haven't heard of one |
07:20.33 | Corrodias | warmup? |
07:21.44 | GenNMX | Corrodias: http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=1644 |
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07:21.50 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
07:23.15 | Corrodias | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!warmup! |
07:23.35 | Corrodias | reminds me of the channel list on dalnet, 8 years ago (probably still looks like it did then) |
07:23.50 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
07:23.51 | GenNMX | Heh, that's just so it can be loaded first, of course. |
07:23.57 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
07:29.05 | AnduinLothar | the ui.wow zip file names make me want to stab someone |
07:29.34 | Corrodias | yes |
07:29.46 | AnduinLothar | ~stab ui.wow |
07:29.47 | purl | ACTION runs at ui.wow with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
07:31.24 | GenNMX | I have a faux swiss army knife keychain with three different size phillips heads, a pair of sissors, and two blades. |
07:32.00 | AnduinLothar | speaking on names... I would really love it if wiwi used named links for it's addons like wowguru |
07:32.12 | AnduinLothar | instead of # ids like curse |
07:32.54 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
07:33.19 | AnduinLothar | prolly better to make links so as to not invalidate links |
07:33.33 | AnduinLothar | so that either way works |
07:36.10 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
07:36.13 | AnduinLothar | wow, gatherer is almsot as big as Khaos |
07:36.19 | AnduinLothar | thought i did |
07:36.25 | AnduinLothar | did i not? |
07:36.30 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
07:37.19 | AnduinLothar | i should make earth not error so much with invalid names, that'd prolly make it load a lot faster |
07:37.39 | AnduinLothar | hmmm yatlas is pretty huge too |
07:38.16 | AnduinLothar | Longest Addon Load: Earth, Biggest Addon: Gatherer |
07:38.32 | Corrodias | damn, i'm downloading another bunch of addons :( |
07:38.44 | GenNMX | Warmup is an interesting read, isn't it? |
07:38.57 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
07:39.03 | Corrodias | how many are you guys using? i had ~56 non-library, non-helper addons until tonight |
07:39.30 | AnduinLothar | um, no idea. think i'm near 100 |
07:39.39 | Maldivia | If I ran Warmup, it would output without a doubt: Longest Addon Load: ItemList, Biggest Addon: ItemList |
07:39.52 | AnduinLothar | item list? |
07:40.17 | Maldivia | personal mod - lootlink like :) |
07:40.38 | Maldivia | currently contains 31177 items :) |
07:40.47 | Corrodias | *eyebrow* |
07:40.58 | Corrodias | my lootlink has under 6k, though i've only used it for a few weeks |
07:41.03 | AnduinLothar | ':/ |
07:41.18 | AnduinLothar | ah, well i dont run lootlike |
07:41.42 | AnduinLothar | link* |
07:42.03 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
07:43.10 | AnduinLothar | already have auctioneer gathering too much item info |
07:43.15 | GenNMX | Maldivia: My KC_Items is only ~400KiB, and it contains about that many items. If you're thinking about optimizing, you may want to take a look at it. |
07:43.28 | GenNMX | My KC_Items meaning my database, not my mod. |
07:43.33 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
07:43.39 | Maldivia | GenNMX: all my items contains a full tooltip dump :) |
07:43.48 | GenNMX | Maldivia: Yeah, I kinda figured ;) |
07:44.08 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
07:44.17 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
07:44.17 | Maldivia | GenNMX: well, it's on purpose... use it's saved variables file, to upload to my database, used for my guilds point site :) |
07:44.39 | Tain | WatchDog is also a great unitframe. |
07:44.47 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
07:44.54 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
07:44.54 | Corrodias | oops, didn't see that one |
07:45.54 | Maldivia | GenNMX: but it's kind of nice to have the full tooltip, so you can recreate the tooltip 100% accurate, if the item's not in your cache :) |
07:47.17 | Maldivia | GenNMX: meaning, I can look at the tooltips for all the items I saw on test servers, even though no one have looted them yet on live server |
07:48.00 | Corrodias | if someone would be so kind, please post at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4377 noting that it doesn't replace or modify any game files and is certifiably NOT against the rules. |
07:48.24 | GenNMX | Maldivia: True, but I'd just make a function which parsed an item database of links and then spit out their tooltips into a different file. |
07:48.29 | zeeg | AnduinLothar, thats mod_rewrite, its simple to apply on any site |
07:48.46 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
07:48.50 | GenNMX | Maldivia: Yeah, I guess to each his own |
07:48.51 | Corrodias | thankies |
07:49.01 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
07:49.03 | Corrodias | i don't want to register just to post one or two recommendations |
07:49.24 | AnduinLothar | thx zeeg, catch that cairenn?> |
07:50.15 | Maldivia | mod_rewrite is nice :) |
07:50.21 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
07:50.40 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
07:50.51 | Tain | He'd still have to do a conversion from the database of the item id to the name. mod_rewrite just helps you redirect after that. |
07:50.56 | Corrodias | i mean i don't register to post two things on a forum |
07:50.57 | zeeg | Maldivia, very :) |
07:50.58 | Tain | That's the easy part. :) |
07:51.01 | zeeg | Maldivia, you've seen mmofiles, ya? |
07:51.04 | Corrodias | unless it's incredibly important |
07:51.12 | Corrodias | my password list is like this long |
07:51.17 | Maldivia | yeah |
07:52.00 | GenNMX | I just had a crazy idea for a new mod...what if you polled all functions called by a specific addon for some number of plays, then used that information to parse the addon and remove all code you never use? |
07:52.01 | Maldivia | zeeg: all your RSS links on front page are 404 :) |
07:52.26 | zeeg | which site? |
07:52.31 | Tain | You'd probably remove all of the configuration options, GenNMX. :) |
07:52.32 | Maldivia | mmofiles |
07:52.33 | Corrodias | SeaHooks.hook(everything) |
07:52.37 | Corrodias | ;P |
07:52.37 | zeeg | oh ya mofiles is under construction |
07:52.45 | GenNMX | Tain: I like 'em plain! |
07:52.55 | Tain | hehe |
07:53.21 | Tain | I was going into some mods and removing out the bits I don't use at all. But then it got annoying when there was a new version to keep doing it. |
07:53.22 | Maldivia | GenNMX: or use TraceEvent or similar to monitor your mods :) |
07:54.13 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
07:55.14 | GenNMX | Cairenn: You should just make a bot which gives wowi download links based on keywords ;) |
07:55.29 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
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07:55.52 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
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07:56.33 | futrtrubl | what's teh awesomest ftp client out there? ;'] |
07:56.35 | GenNMX | So funny, but useless bots are good, but useful bots are bad? |
07:56.45 | futrtrubl | ~useless |
07:56.47 | purl | ACTION starts crying and hides from futrtrubl in the darkest corner of the room. :( |
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07:57.36 | Guillotine | Zeeg: I just have to let you know I find it funny that your Item Set Comparison tells me to chose Wildheart over Stormrage |
07:57.51 | Guillotine | thank you cairenn |
07:57.52 | GenNMX | I was thinking it would be cool if we had a bot which could cite from the Lua manual, possibly msg/noticing the target. |
07:58.04 | Guillotine | that would be really cool |
07:58.15 | Guillotine | thanks for volunteering to right the bot GenNMX |
07:58.18 | Guillotine | write* |
07:58.20 | Corrodias | i'll go to bed now, instead of install, test, and evaluate these new addons |
07:58.22 | AnduinLothar | ~UnitIsDead |
07:58.39 | GenNMX | Yeah, and/or the WoW API. |
07:58.40 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
07:58.40 | purl | aw, gee, Cairenn |
07:59.09 | futrtrubl | ~botsmack |
07:59.10 | purl | OWW! |
07:59.14 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
07:59.21 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
07:59.43 | GenNMX | Guillotine: Cairenn just said knowledge/search bots are bad :( |
07:59.57 | Guillotine | awww. why? |
08:00.15 | futrtrubl | it's a female thing |
08:00.31 | Guillotine | they help-- wait. actually, they don't help at all. You might as well jsut loot it up yourself |
08:00.47 | Guillotine | but their still fun to abu- use |
08:00.52 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
08:00.57 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
08:00.58 | zeeg | Guillotine, link? lol |
08:01.09 | zeeg | GenNMX, link me to the manual and ill add it to wowguru |
08:01.16 | Guillotine | Zeeg: http://www.wowguru.com/db/compare-item-set.php?set_id%5B%5D=185&set_id%5B%5D=205&set_id%5B%5D=&set_id%5B%5D=&set_id%5B%5D= |
08:01.39 | GenNMX | zeeg: http://www.lua.org/manual/5.0/manual.html |
08:01.46 | Guillotine | sry. thats cenarion. stormrage is http://www.wowguru.com/db/compare-item-set.php?set_id%5B%5D=185&set_id%5B%5D=214&set_id%5B%5D=&set_id%5B%5D=&set_id%5B%5D= |
08:01.55 | zeeg | ill have to fix that Guillotine |
08:02.11 | Tain | heh I have characters on Cenarion and Stormrage |
08:02.16 | GenNMX | Cairenn: I'm only happy if peanut-butter ice cream is involved. |
08:02.23 | zeeg | how would you picture it functioning GenNMX? |
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08:02.48 | Guillotine | I believe it's b/c you're putting too much emphasis on set bonuses (since thats just about the only thing wildheart beats either of those with) |
08:02.54 | futrtrubl | morning Iriel |
08:03.03 | AnduinLothar | WoWAPI: UnitIsDead |
08:03.12 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
08:03.20 | AnduinLothar | WoWWiki: Sea |
08:03.48 | zeeg | ya thats probably it Guillotine |
08:03.52 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
08:03.58 | zeeg | wowapi could be really helpful |
08:04.01 | Guillotine | true |
08:04.02 | zeeg | searching rfom rht eowwiki |
08:04.11 | Iriel | I dont need the channel spammed with it |
08:04.16 | Guillotine | wow. you butchered that sentance zeeg |
08:04.19 | Iriel | If you can make purl ONLY send it via tells, it would be ok |
08:04.20 | zeeg | ya i know |
08:04.21 | zeeg | lol |
08:04.33 | zeeg | my bots not even in here so it dont matter, but ill add it to the functions |
08:04.38 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
08:04.59 | GenNMX | zeeg: If it wasn't 3am, I could give a better answer to that question. The manual is already seperated into sections, I'd say excerpts those sections plus information on each function explained in the manual, and regexp. |
08:05.06 | Guillotine | ya. it should be a bot that only works through whispers or something |
08:05.06 | Iriel | Yes, but I further object to spamming the channel when they ARE addressed |
08:05.23 | Tain | It would be nice for those cases where someone comes in with a question that you know is very clearly answered in the wiki. Save the five seconds of pasting the wiki link. |
08:05.26 | GenNMX | Hence why I said msg/noticing ;) |
08:05.27 | zeeg | AnduinLothar, i can add this to the cosmos chan if you guys want, would it just search API_Name ? |
08:05.28 | zeeg | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_HasAction |
08:05.29 | zeeg | for example |
08:05.31 | Tain | ~lart Iriel |
08:05.35 | Guillotine | I have my in-game purl bot populated with just about all functions |
08:05.38 | Guillotine | so I don't have to alt-tab |
08:05.49 | Guillotine | Panda :D |
08:06.07 | Iriel | The thing abotu the wiki link is chances are that person will look in the wiki next time instead of asking at all |
08:06.30 | GenNMX | Yeah, an ideal bot would give the link too. |
08:06.40 | Tain | Oh yeah, I was actually in my head assuming the link to the page as well. |
08:06.48 | zeeg | not just a link though |
08:06.51 | zeeg | otherwise its worthless |
08:07.06 | Tain | Actually just a link could be better since it forces htem to look it up. |
08:07.21 | Iriel | Yeah, the number of people who can't look up a URL while IRC'ing has to be miniscule |
08:07.50 | zeeg | think it'd be best to show |
08:07.50 | GenNMX | Iriel: Not on EFNet, everyone runs in a SSH session on an old Sparc terminal ;) |
08:07.51 | zeeg | like |
08:07.53 | Tain | The number of people who *can't* do it is completely unrelated to the number of people who *do* do it. |
08:08.01 | Guillotine | then why have the bot at all? its not too hard to type "www.wowwiki.com" into the address bar |
08:08.08 | Iriel | GenNMX : They can run lynx too |
08:08.08 | zeeg | hasAction = hasAction(actionSlot) |
08:08.10 | zeeg | that part? |
08:08.11 | Guillotine | anyway, g2g all |
08:08.57 | GenNMX | Iriel: As an avid user of lynx, I feel using it on some websites is like trying to play WoW in "WireFrame" mode. |
08:09.04 | Tain | I still don't think there's any great need for a bot to do it other than amusement/geek factor. |
08:09.12 | Iriel | True, but wowwiki isn't too bad |
08:09.21 | zeeg | Tain, then you wont need to use it, huh? :P |
08:09.32 | Tain | I use links intead of lynx anyway. ;) |
08:10.28 | Tain | Wonder if purl has a zeeg to English translator. |
08:10.48 | Corrodias | wow has a wireframe mode? |
08:11.01 | zeeg | I wonder why Tain insists on causing trouble w/ zeeg day after day.. |
08:12.57 | futrtrubl | because I tell him to zeeg |
08:13.47 | Tain | Shh quit causing trouble in the channel. It's not nice to the other people. |
08:13.57 | zeeg | seriously |
08:14.02 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
08:14.06 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
08:14.19 | zeeg | Cairenn, then deal with it, you don't seem to step in until I say something. Remember your rules? |
08:14.34 | zeeg | everyday im in here he makes smart remarks |
08:14.43 | Tain | That's only because I am smart. :( |
08:14.57 | Iriel | I think that was directed at both of you |
08:15.05 | Iriel | If it wasn't my "Quit it" is. |
08:15.32 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
08:15.46 | Tain | New version of Visor up! |
08:15.56 | Maldivia | and on that note - I think I'll go to bed, this is getting a tad too early |
08:16.11 | zeeg | :| |
08:16.44 | Maldivia | it's 9.15am ... ;) |
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08:52.36 | zeeg | laptop comes monday |
08:52.36 | zeeg | :D |
09:01.36 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
09:01.45 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
09:01.51 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
09:01.55 | Iriel | Good night |
09:04.55 | futr | wow UI forums are throwing errors at me out the wazoo |
09:06.27 | futr-sleep | anyways, g'night Cairenn, Iriel et al |
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09:50.46 | Shouryuu | rawr |
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10:13.23 | AnduinLothar | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=4471 You know you want to |
10:18.20 | AnduinLothar | bah, why do they still keep putting Sea on ui.wow.net makes me want to stab someone |
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10:39.23 | Shouryuu | what's wrong with Sea? |
10:42.05 | id` | shh, dont ask |
10:42.06 | id` | :P |
10:45.20 | Shouryuu | lol |
10:46.29 | Shouryuu | could it be possible that my firefox is fucking up my internet broadband and computer |
10:47.52 | Shouryuu | each time I have it opened I get lag spikes... |
10:48.46 | Shouryuu | as soon as I close it, my download speed goes up and no more lagg spikes... |
10:49.00 | id` | too many extensions? |
10:49.01 | id` | :p |
10:49.09 | Shouryuu | nope I have none =( |
10:50.15 | Shouryuu | I think it's my comp actualy |
10:50.24 | Shouryuu | my latency in WoW is like 1.5k |
10:50.36 | Shouryuu | on the same connection but on another comp I get around 300 ms... |
10:50.58 | Shouryuu | Sometimes it goes sluggish and can't even play a movie... |
10:51.31 | Shouryuu | But I don't know what could be causing it. I have tons of free space on my HDD, shouldn't have viruses... |
10:52.45 | Shouryuu | And have played wow with a proper latency before... I actualy ran MC for the first time with this computer... |
10:52.52 | Shouryuu | life is the su><0rz |
10:53.17 | id` | <Shouryuu> my latency in WoW is like 1.5k |
10:53.22 | id` | >_- |
10:53.26 | Shouryuu | lol that's bad |
10:53.33 | id` | i get 30-40 ms |
10:53.42 | id` | if i play on us servers in games its usually 100 |
10:53.55 | id` | (we have a great if not the best uplink in the world here) |
10:54.15 | Shouryuu | I've never been under 300ms |
10:54.25 | Shouryuu | and have seen 15k latencies =( |
10:54.58 | Shouryuu | ok IE is worst than firefox |
10:55.08 | Shouryuu | it definetaly is my computer that;s haveing a problem |
10:55.15 | id` | windows? |
10:55.28 | Shouryuu | =P |
10:55.41 | id` | meh, im not a computer doctor :( cant really help you :( |
10:56.38 | Shouryuu | meh nevermind |
10:57.15 | Shouryuu | gonna work on my maths then... |
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12:10.37 | Shouryuu | w00t my PC bug riddled |
12:10.42 | Shouryuu | whoopty doooh!! |
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13:07.31 | AnduinLothar | I would like to point out the idiocy of Telo's MobHealth, because all of the functions are local and not usable.. |
13:07.58 | AnduinLothar | therefore I have to duplicate code in order to use the database |
13:08.52 | Shouryuu | well that sucks I guess |
13:12.23 | AnduinLothar | less efficient, more code, just plain dumb... lack of forsite |
13:13.05 | AnduinLothar | he's even fing updated the damn mod recently yet he didn't bother to change it to conform to any standards which made MobHealth2 and MI2 popular... dumb |
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13:14.23 | AnduinLothar | w/e Archaeologist now works with Telo |
13:14.31 | AnduinLothar | 's MobHealth too |
13:15.05 | AnduinLothar | tho i had to add 40 lines of redundant code |
13:15.23 | AnduinLothar | to duplicate local functions and variables |
13:21.17 | Legorol | that's what i do to myself when my brain blows up |
13:21.20 | Legorol | g'morning btw |
13:21.41 | AnduinLothar | so need to be asleep |
13:22.09 | Legorol | cold water helps there too :D |
13:24.08 | AnduinLothar | dude, jc chasez is such a freak... |
13:24.56 | AnduinLothar | "Come to Me" makes me want to stab my eyes out because i like it.. |
13:25.50 | Corrodias | does anybody use mobhealth instead of mobhealth2? |
13:26.05 | Legorol | i certainly don't.. MB2 is better imo |
13:26.11 | AnduinLothar | someone asked for it on curse cause telo released a new verse |
13:26.23 | Legorol | oth, MB2 is an unathorized code-steal, or started as one |
13:26.50 | AnduinLothar | ya, whatever... so are most forks |
13:26.59 | Legorol | which doesn't make it right |
13:26.59 | AnduinLothar | telo's so close fisted it's sick |
13:27.08 | Legorol | his decision |
13:27.22 | Legorol | ItemsMatrix started as a LootLink rip as well |
13:27.30 | Corrodias | i view code much like i view pictures |
13:27.33 | Legorol | i don't think these guys ever asked Telo if it's OK for them to do so |
13:27.35 | AnduinLothar | his decision was to hold back innovation and not update his crap |
13:27.47 | Legorol | yep, a crap decision. his nevertheless |
13:28.09 | AnduinLothar | crap decisions don't fly in open source when u cant enforce them |
13:28.14 | Corrodias | if credit is given to the author of mobhealth for at least implementing the first version of the idea, that's quite enough as fas as i'm concerned |
13:28.22 | Corrodias | *far |
13:28.27 | Legorol | source being visible =/= open source =/= GPL |
13:28.49 | Legorol | Corrodias, unfortunately not, especially if the author specifically forbids copying of his code |
13:28.53 | AnduinLothar | did he gpl his addons? |
13:28.58 | Legorol | no he didn't |
13:29.02 | Legorol | and that's exactly my point |
13:29.11 | AnduinLothar | is it legal to gpl addons? |
13:29.13 | Corrodias | what do you mean, "unfortunately not"? |
13:29.17 | Legorol | yes it is, AnduinLothar |
13:29.21 | Corrodias | it is enough for me. i just don't care. |
13:29.24 | AnduinLothar | news to me |
13:29.31 | AnduinLothar | tho ive seen it done |
13:29.42 | Legorol | AddOns' copyright resides with the author, not with Blizzard |
13:29.47 | Legorol | whoever tells you otherwise is bullshitting |
13:30.06 | AnduinLothar | copywrite, yes |
13:30.12 | AnduinLothar | but that's not saying much |
13:30.28 | Legorol | By the way, me being the tight-fisted anti-innovation bastard that I am, have a lengthy legal text attached to EquipCompare, forbidding its copying/modification except under specific circumstances ;-) |
13:30.44 | Legorol | Copyright says a lot, it means you can't steal that code |
13:30.52 | Legorol | In principle anywa |
13:30.53 | AnduinLothar | nah, i can steal it |
13:30.56 | Legorol | In practice, noone cares |
13:31.08 | Corrodias | and i, being the opposite, might rip code right from it, and if somebody wants to make a case from it he can come a-knocking |
13:31.08 | AnduinLothar | but since i cant sell it in makes no legal difference |
13:31.18 | Legorol | I think it's a bit unfortunate that people equate source being visible with "i am allowed to copy/modify it" |
13:31.33 | Legorol | AnduinLothar, you can even sell it |
13:31.37 | AnduinLothar | right |
13:31.45 | Legorol | You can write an AddOn and legally sell it |
13:31.52 | Legorol | and prohibit others from copying or selling it |
13:31.57 | Legorol | in practice, good luck with enforcing that |
13:31.58 | AnduinLothar | so copy write makes no difference since you copy it every time it's downloaded |
13:31.59 | Corrodias | true - that's the same as images. the fact that you can see it doesn't mean you have a legal right to post it somewhere |
13:32.09 | Legorol | well copyright does make a difference |
13:32.17 | Legorol | the author is giving permission for you to copy it by downloading it |
13:32.26 | Legorol | that's implicit when it's uploaded to a public website |
13:32.48 | Legorol | nevertheless, from a legal point of view, that's what's happening: author has copyright, and can decide who can copy it under what circumstances |
13:32.50 | Corrodias | i've seen legal agreements that forbade distributing a free demo |
13:32.53 | Legorol | As i said, that's all in principle |
13:33.09 | Legorol | In practice, most authors and users are not aware of the legal details, nor do they care |
13:33.16 | AnduinLothar | can you prove that it was you that uploaded it and that you are the author? |
13:33.18 | Corrodias | is happening? has he said the mobhealth2 people "can't do that"? |
13:33.35 | Legorol | AnduinLothar, if you can't prove that you are the author, you are not even allowed to upload it |
13:33.51 | Legorol | Corrodias, that's the thing.. he doesn't need to specifically say it |
13:33.54 | AnduinLothar | how would you prove you are the author? |
13:34.05 | Legorol | By uploading it for the first time ever on the Internet ;-) |
13:34.18 | Corrodias | oh, i know, but if he SAYS it he'll just make himself look like an ass |
13:34.26 | AnduinLothar | someone could have stolen it before it went live |
13:34.31 | Legorol | i say it specifically, and i look like an ass.. |
13:34.34 | Legorol | do i care? no ;-) |
13:34.42 | Legorol | AnduinLothar, that's correct |
13:34.48 | AnduinLothar | so how do you prove it? |
13:35.03 | Legorol | the thing is, unfortunately the way the law is written, it is up to the person copying it to prove he has permission to do so |
13:35.11 | Legorol | it's not up to the author to prove that it's his |
13:35.45 | AnduinLothar | ok, so how would you disprove that i'm nto the author and you stole it from me? |
13:35.54 | Legorol | if it ever goes to court, the way you prove that you are the author is the way you do it with any other copyright or patent disputes: |
13:36.00 | Legorol | you try to amass evidence that you are the one who had it first |
13:36.18 | Corrodias | (edit filesystem timestamps) |
13:36.31 | Legorol | there are more to it than just technical details |
13:36.36 | Legorol | you can get eyewitness reports etc. |
13:36.52 | Legorol | in a proper court battle, it would involve supporting statements from other people and so on |
13:36.56 | Legorol | just like with any other case |
13:37.07 | Legorol | it's not an easy or obvious thing |
13:37.26 | Corrodias | sounds interesting |
13:37.36 | Legorol | In 99% of cases like this though, it's fairly straightforward |
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13:37.39 | Shouryuu | rawr |
13:37.43 | Cide | boo |
13:37.56 | AnduinLothar | ok, so given you could prove you were the author and that I had stolen and upload your code or modified and uploaded you code, what would my likely punishment be? |
13:38.05 | Legorol | because the person copying it forgets to modify some minor comment in the source, or can't supply enough evidence that he researched/developed/tested the code whereas the proper author usually can |
13:38.24 | Corrodias | you'd have to stop letting people download it, which just means other people would start hosting it |
13:38.29 | AnduinLothar | for copywrite infringement of an addon |
13:38.30 | Corrodias | and possibly a fine? |
13:38.35 | Legorol | AnduinLothar, the likely punhisment is some smacking of your bottom and some finger wagging in your direction |
13:38.43 | AnduinLothar | figured |
13:38.46 | Shouryuu | lol |
13:39.01 | Corrodias | >_> <_< >_> free spanking? |
13:39.03 | AnduinLothar | seems definitely woth court fees |
13:39.04 | Legorol | If you took it seriously, it'd be a fine |
13:39.20 | Legorol | but i think in practice what would matter is the loss of reputation |
13:39.30 | AnduinLothar | yours? |
13:39.36 | Corrodias | both parties, but to different people |
13:39.37 | Legorol | if I can convince the community that you stole my code, your reputation would go down |
13:39.42 | Legorol | which can hurt you more than the smacking |
13:39.51 | Legorol | although smacking can hurt quite a bit too |
13:39.53 | AnduinLothar | if the community cares |
13:39.58 | Legorol | i remember from when i was 4 years old.. |
13:40.05 | Corrodias | if you openly acknowledge that it's based on his addon, the reputation is split: some people will like you, some people will like him |
13:40.15 | Corrodias | depends on their opinion of intellectual property |
13:40.29 | AnduinLothar | i think they'd jsut laugh at the distance it went and still use the better code they were using before |
13:40.32 | Corrodias | and my ride is heading out the door so i'd better get going :o [away] |
13:40.35 | Legorol | Corrodias, if you openly acknowledge that its based on his addon, and he didn't give permission for you to do so, then what happens in practice is that |
13:40.36 | Shouryuu | sorry but I just dropped in this conversation, what are you people debating? |
13:40.40 | Legorol | he is viewed as a prick, and you as a hero |
13:40.43 | Legorol | c.f. filesharing |
13:41.02 | Legorol | Shouryuu, copyright infringement in relation to AddOns |
13:41.09 | AnduinLothar | just drooling on about pointless addon politics |
13:41.12 | Shouryuu | lol |
13:41.29 | Legorol | It started with a debate on whether it's "right" for someone to take Telo's LootLink and MobHealth and mod it then release it as a different addon under his own name |
13:41.44 | Legorol | yah, as AnduinLothar says, we are bored |
13:41.49 | Shouryuu | lol |
13:42.02 | AnduinLothar | not really, i explicitly said telo was dumb for not implimenting it himself, yet still updating hsi code |
13:42.02 | Shouryuu | well it seems fine to me |
13:42.10 | Legorol | btw, I don't mind looking like a prick, so i have a lengthy legal statement attached to EquipCompare |
13:42.20 | Legorol | anyone who steals it shall watch my wrath and expect free spanking |
13:42.26 | Shouryuu | lol |
13:42.32 | Shouryuu | it's not stealing, it's improving |
13:42.43 | Shouryuu | and in Telo's case his name is still on the add-on |
13:42.51 | Shouryuu | so really, he stil gets the credit |
13:42.55 | AnduinLothar | rewrite half the code, then it's your property, is that legal? |
13:42.57 | Legorol | and this is where real word practice goes against the law |
13:43.10 | Legorol | since most people think like Corrodias and Shouryuu, the text of the law is worth nothing |
13:43.17 | Legorol | and this is how laws get improved |
13:43.24 | Shouryuu | well it's hard to define an add-on as property since it has no value |
13:43.30 | Legorol | when the majority of society/community start breaking it, it's time for it to change |
13:43.34 | Shouryuu | lol |
13:43.35 | AnduinLothar | it most definitely has value |
13:43.44 | AnduinLothar | addons sites make good money |
13:43.51 | AnduinLothar | authors can get good donation |
13:43.51 | Cide | indirectly |
13:43.56 | Cide | not because of the addon itself really |
13:43.57 | Legorol | Shouryuu, it's properly copyrighted intellectual property, fully protected by the law, and has a lot of value |
13:43.58 | Shouryuu | agreed |
13:44.10 | Legorol | the addon itself has value |
13:44.24 | Legorol | i have been contacted by game magazines on several occasions who wanted to include my addons on their supplement |
13:44.25 | AnduinLothar | a collection of addons has more |
13:44.36 | Legorol | those mags make money by selling the mags |
13:44.41 | Legorol | and the addons on the supplement are part of it |
13:44.44 | AnduinLothar | which distribute the addons |
13:44.46 | Shouryuu | I haven't |
13:44.52 | Shouryuu | does that make my add-on worthless? |
13:44.56 | Legorol | nope |
13:44.58 | AnduinLothar | you're addons are on the top 10 at curse |
13:45.08 | Legorol | a single addon has very little value, but not 0 |
13:45.08 | Shouryuu | so the value doesn't come from the mags or sites tehn |
13:45.31 | Legorol | I think you can measure an AddOn's value in many different ways: |
13:45.34 | AnduinLothar | but if curse's list determinedd value, oth cide's and mine would be worthless too |
13:45.39 | Legorol | how much could you sell it for? in most cases that's 0 |
13:45.46 | Legorol | how popular is it? that you can measure somewhat |
13:45.54 | Legorol | did you enjoy writing it, do people enjoy using it? |
13:46.29 | Legorol | imho these all add to an addon's "value" |
13:46.31 | AnduinLothar | i take it back, CTRA is top at curse, lol |
13:46.40 | Legorol | curse has weird rankings |
13:46.49 | AnduinLothar | well, and cosmos patcher is 5th |
13:46.52 | Legorol | top downloads, top favourites, blah.. there is some correlation between them, though |
13:47.04 | Legorol | AnduinLothar, that's just download count |
13:47.23 | Legorol | that download count is because at one point, around 1.4 i think, the only place you could download Cosmos from was curse |
13:47.29 | Legorol | for a brief period after the patch |
13:47.31 | AnduinLothar | which is highly dependant on number of versions |
13:47.40 | Legorol | that too |
13:47.48 | Legorol | every time i make a new version, it gets about 20k downloads |
13:47.56 | Legorol | doesn't matter if it's a minor bugfix or a major release |
13:48.00 | AnduinLothar | oh, u have authorship? |
13:48.05 | Cide | haha AnduinLothar :) |
13:48.18 | Legorol | so if i keep adding comments to my code an reuploading, i can improve the download count :D |
13:48.54 | AnduinLothar | of Cosmos on curse? |
13:49.21 | Legorol | no i don't |
13:49.24 | AnduinLothar | Trying to figure out who has the stupid authorship cause net hasn't aproved mine and i wanna put up the mac patcher |
13:49.25 | Shouryuu | What gives an add-on it's right to be called property? How can an add-on be property? You haven't made money making it, you haven't lost money making it, no one (at least in 99.99% cases) is making money on it. It isn't property as we define it in my opinion |
13:49.42 | Legorol | Shouryuu, it is property as defined by law ;-) |
13:49.48 | Legorol | same way as any piece of software you write |
13:49.50 | Shouryuu | still seems wrong to me =P |
13:50.02 | AnduinLothar | I have lost money making addons |
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13:50.13 | Shouryuu | well it just seems hard to steal something that doesn't have a physical value |
13:50.16 | Legorol | What gives an addon the right to be called property is that someone has "made it" |
13:50.21 | Legorol | in the sense of putting creative effort, time and energy into it |
13:50.28 | AnduinLothar | because i have spent a year of my damned life coding them |
13:50.33 | Legorol | it very definitely has value |
13:50.58 | Shouryuu | true |
13:51.14 | Legorol | that's exactly what intellectual property is: |
13:51.26 | AnduinLothar | that and it goes on my resume that I have been doing open source programming and have a bajion current users |
13:51.33 | Legorol | something that's not physically tangible, yet you spend at least as much if not more energy creating it as a builder takes to make a house |
13:52.06 | Legorol | a poem, a script for a TV series, a song, an AddOn... all the same |
13:52.12 | AnduinLothar | bajion being an exact measurement of users |
13:52.24 | Legorol | you sip coffee, stare at the computer screen, scratch your head and think about it when making it |
13:52.32 | AnduinLothar | ew coffee |
13:52.34 | Legorol | bajion is a very good measurement |
13:52.42 | AnduinLothar | mt dew and bawls, pls |
13:52.44 | Legorol | ok granted i personally live on coke and not cofeee |
13:52.48 | Shouryuu | lol |
13:53.18 | AnduinLothar | i'ms tarting a collection of caffinated soda bottles |
13:53.33 | Legorol | Intellectual property has existed for thousands of years, and was worth money (a lot). Think about Shakespeare, who made a living (or not, as the case may be, him being piss poor) by selling his plays |
13:53.42 | AnduinLothar | i bought 3 cases of bawls last time i was within 20 miles of a store that sold them |
13:53.43 | Legorol | he certainly didn't get eh money for the piece of paper or the ink on it |
13:54.22 | AnduinLothar | yay for being piss poor |
13:54.31 | Legorol | nay for being piss poor |
13:54.37 | AnduinLothar | logorol, you are not my lifetime businessman |
13:54.41 | AnduinLothar | now* |
13:54.46 | Legorol | rofl |
13:54.49 | AnduinLothar | legorol even |
13:55.05 | Legorol | that'd cause you to be piss poor for a lifetime |
13:55.09 | Legorol | so i recommend against it |
13:55.16 | AnduinLothar | aww |
13:55.18 | AnduinLothar | hater |
13:55.30 | Legorol | i have no business sense |
13:55.57 | AnduinLothar | good think my best friend is an international business man making mad $ at age 20 |
13:56.26 | Legorol | and how much of that comes your way |
13:57.14 | AnduinLothar | he and i have drasticly different views on what matters most, but i get good advice now and then. and he gets my advice too, make a great team, cept that half the time we hate eachother |
13:57.55 | AnduinLothar | actually he got his boss to employ me last summer |
13:58.15 | AnduinLothar | so i was technically working under him doing tech support at $15 an hour |
13:59.10 | AnduinLothar | and he wants to start some sort of business with me, cause he knows i'm creative and he's a business man |
13:59.58 | AnduinLothar | problem is I only work on things I am passionate about and he'll do pretty much anything cause he gets a kick out of making money without actually producing anything himself |
14:02.44 | Shouryuu | who doesn't |
14:02.58 | AnduinLothar | well, i like to actually create things |
14:03.16 | AnduinLothar | tho i do get a kick out of using auctioneer to make $ i get bored with it |
14:05.11 | AnduinLothar | and it's a lot easier for me to simply mark a price than demand a price from a real person |
14:08.39 | AnduinLothar | whatcha working on cide? |
14:10.12 | Legorol | AnduinLothar, is AH_QuickSearch 1.9 compatible? |
14:10.18 | Legorol | can i just change the .toc number? |
14:10.18 | AnduinLothar | yup |
14:10.22 | Legorol | ok |
14:10.33 | Legorol | i have two problems with it though: |
14:10.43 | Legorol | 1) doesn't work with AIOI, although not surprising |
14:10.46 | AnduinLothar | i dont update any sites other than cosmos with toc only changes |
14:10.51 | Legorol | presumably has to hook the onclick function for the buttons in there too |
14:11.16 | AnduinLothar | ya, aioi and enginv use their own functiosn which is silly if u ask me |
14:11.26 | Legorol | 2) it seems to need Blizz AuctioneerUI loaded, otherwise you get a nil error |
14:11.29 | Legorol | let me get you line number |
14:11.57 | AnduinLothar | well it'd be hard to use w/o the auction house |
14:12.15 | AnduinLothar | since there's an if statement to check if the auction fram eis visible |
14:12.30 | Legorol | yah that's the one i was thinking of |
14:12.37 | Cide | AnduinLothar: oh, a site, fixing bugs, adding features |
14:12.47 | AnduinLothar | non wow? |
14:12.53 | Cide | the site is wow related |
14:13.06 | AnduinLothar | ah, u do the web stuff for ur wow stuff too? |
14:13.08 | Legorol | oth, i can't find that line in AH_QuickSearch now.. |
14:13.25 | Cide | yeah |
14:13.32 | Cide | I work on our site too |
14:13.40 | AnduinLothar | Ah, I'm glad i dont have to do the cosmos web stuff... it eats time |
14:14.30 | AnduinLothar | I used to love web design |
14:14.51 | AnduinLothar | i find addon coding more fun now |
14:14.57 | Cide | I don't do web design really |
14:15.05 | AnduinLothar | just maintinence? |
14:15.19 | Cide | I fail bigtime with graphics... I just do the PHP coding |
14:15.23 | Legorol | AnduinLothar, I think I see what the problem with AH_QSearch is: |
14:15.25 | Cide | which I guess could be web design too |
14:15.31 | Cide | depending on how you look at it |
14:15.32 | Legorol | although you hook the BrowseButtons only once AuctionUI has loaded, |
14:15.40 | Legorol | you hook the containterframe's itembuttons right from the start |
14:15.53 | Legorol | so shift-left-clicking an item in your bag with no auctionUI loaded causes a nil error |
14:15.57 | AnduinLothar | ah ya. my worst decision was not to learn php when i learned python... now i keep putting it off |
14:16.27 | AnduinLothar | leg, doesn't it only error if the auction frame is vis? |
14:17.11 | Legorol | nope |
14:17.19 | Legorol | offending one is line 44, and specifically BrowseName:IsVisible() |
14:17.24 | AnduinLothar | I'm not all that great with graphics either. I'm decent modifying other people's content with photoshop, but otherwise gimped |
14:17.29 | Legorol | BroseName is defined in Blizz_AuctionUI |
14:17.37 | AnduinLothar | k leg, i'll fix it then |
14:17.41 | Legorol | so it throws nil error |
14:17.45 | Legorol | thanks, much appreciated |
14:18.08 | Legorol | as a quick fix, you could just do (BrowseName and BrowseName:IsVisible()) |
14:18.10 | AnduinLothar | wanna go grab me the aioi and enginv functions to hook to while im at it? |
14:18.22 | Legorol | i don't know what enginv is, i can look for the aioi one |
14:18.36 | AnduinLothar | bug fixing is boring, i liek to add features when i bug fix |
14:19.03 | Legorol | ok |
14:19.07 | Legorol | aioi: AllInOneInventoryFrameItemButton_OnClick |
14:19.14 | AnduinLothar | http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=1882 |
14:19.20 | Legorol | k |
14:19.26 | Legorol | i'll go thrawling |
14:19.27 | AnduinLothar | and while im at it.. OneBag |
14:19.40 | AnduinLothar | http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=1778 |
14:19.49 | Legorol | wow, enginv looks nice.. |
14:20.12 | Shouryuu | enginv? |
14:20.22 | AnduinLothar | heh, ya. if it had khaos regs i'd prolly replace aioi provided sarf didn't have a cow |
14:21.54 | Legorol | Sarf does have a cow, and a dog and a cat, but that shouldn't stop you ;-) |
14:21.59 | Legorol | personally i wouldn't do it just yet |
14:22.04 | Legorol | enginv seems a bit out of date |
14:22.05 | AnduinLothar | i wont |
14:22.11 | Legorol | at least aioi we have some experience with the code |
14:22.18 | Legorol | well, looks like you want EngInventory_ItemButton_OnClick |
14:22.28 | Shouryuu | what's enginv? |
14:22.43 | Legorol | http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=1882 |
14:22.48 | AnduinLothar | :P |
14:22.52 | Legorol | hehe |
14:23.25 | Shouryuu | oh nice |
14:23.32 | Legorol | on my machine |
14:23.40 | Legorol | as in trawling the web for 1.9 compatible version |
14:23.44 | Legorol | for the mods i use |
14:23.46 | Legorol | painful |
14:24.03 | AnduinLothar | haven't done it yet? |
14:24.53 | AnduinLothar | what's the enginv function? |
14:24.56 | Shouryuu | ok anyone know how I could mesure my computer's performances? It's been really sluggish for about a month, and I want to make sure it's my computer and not my mind playing games with me |
14:24.56 | AnduinLothar | lol nm |
14:26.42 | AnduinLothar | test that out for me, eh |
14:29.30 | AnduinLothar | sounds like it's time for a hd wipe and windows reinstall shouryuu, recommended every 3 month |
14:30.36 | Shouryuu | that sounds like |
14:30.37 | Shouryuu | ewww |
14:30.57 | Shouryuu | Would defragmenting do any good? |
14:31.03 | AnduinLothar | possibly |
14:31.13 | AnduinLothar | when was the last time u defragged? |
14:31.27 | Shouryuu | 1 or 2 month ago |
14:31.36 | AnduinLothar | you should set it to defrag once a week |
14:31.38 | Shouryuu | well I guess I could always try and see |
14:31.44 | Shouryuu | ekk |
14:32.30 | AnduinLothar | well if u had an archived file system you wouldn't have this problem :P |
14:32.44 | Shouryuu | I have no idea what that is |
14:33.03 | Shouryuu | but I guess I can only agree |
14:33.13 | AnduinLothar | it's a type of file system that does a mini defrag every time you save or copy a file |
14:33.26 | AnduinLothar | so that you never have to run a defrag manually |
14:33.43 | AnduinLothar | and it takes a fraction of a second longer to save |
14:33.51 | AnduinLothar | *write to disk |
14:34.03 | Shouryuu | meh I'll just defrag tonight |
14:34.06 | Shouryuu | in my sleep |
14:34.14 | AnduinLothar | of course it's not compatible with windows and win32 |
14:35.23 | AnduinLothar | legorol, tell me it works so i can uload and go to sleep |
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14:38.02 | Legorol | AnduinLothar, gimme a few minutes, my WoW is not in a launchable state right now |
14:38.16 | Legorol | i'll do it asap |
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14:38.35 | Shouryuu | rawrr |
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14:39.06 | Shouryuu | where is that guy anyways? |
14:39.27 | Shouryuu | man I hate maths |
14:39.30 | Shouryuu | they are the suxorz |
14:39.41 | AnduinLothar | sleepign like normal people |
14:40.37 | Legorol | AnduinLothar, don't forget the .toc update whilst you are at it, it's still 1800 |
14:40.46 | AnduinLothar | k |
14:42.28 | Legorol | stuck on retr. char |
14:42.30 | Legorol | :( |
14:42.35 | Legorol | boo boo to Silvermoon |
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14:44.07 | id` | Could someone assist me with KC_I? |
14:44.08 | wowguru-9394 | argh why can't you guys be on gamesurge D: |
14:44.40 | id` | I'm now scanning the auctionhouse |
14:44.49 | id` | but |
14:45.07 | id` | the tooltips are not different from normal |
14:45.13 | id` | e.g. ni kci data |
14:45.15 | id` | no* |
14:46.24 | id` | ah never mind |
14:46.37 | id` | scanning stopped, lovely tooltips :D |
14:46.55 | Legorol | AnduinLothar, it's not erroring now without the AuctionUI, but not working with AIOI |
14:47.08 | Legorol | as in shift+click in AIOI seems to do nothing, just the normal shift+click |
14:47.13 | Legorol | haven't tested enginv |
14:47.38 | AnduinLothar | oh duh, add them to opt dep in toc |
14:48.41 | Legorol | yah, just figured it out at same time you said it :D |
14:48.45 | Legorol | load orders are a pain |
14:53.03 | Legorol | zomg, if you have files in FrameXML, then FrameXML.log doesn't have anything in it, except: 1/8 14:52:23.562 FrameXML is modified or corrupt |
14:53.17 | AnduinLothar | heh |
14:53.34 | Legorol | it's a prelude to 1.10, i'd imagine |
14:53.36 | Legorol | it's annoying though |
14:53.48 | Legorol | it still loads addons |
14:53.55 | Legorol | just doesn't dump the loading to the log |
14:54.04 | Legorol | how do you spell optdeps in toc? |
14:54.19 | AnduinLothar | ## OptionalDeps: EngInventory, AllInOneInventory |
14:55.17 | Legorol | ah oops, i spelt it as OptDeps |
14:56.09 | AnduinLothar | ah, onebag still uses the default functions, so i dont need to make crappy exceptions for it |
14:57.46 | Legorol | wow, this is messed up... i am not getting a FrameXML.log at all |
14:57.59 | Legorol | i have cleared my framexml folder, thinkingin then the log will show |
14:57.59 | AnduinLothar | what framexml are u using |
14:58.04 | AnduinLothar | ah |
14:58.07 | AnduinLothar | u have ief? |
14:58.16 | Legorol | yah, but not enabled |
14:58.20 | AnduinLothar | enable it |
14:58.31 | AnduinLothar | it enables detailed logging |
14:58.33 | Legorol | you reckon it needs the FrameXML_Debug call now? |
14:58.44 | AnduinLothar | most likely |
14:58.57 | Legorol | well, AIOI+ah_qsearch works |
14:59.02 | AnduinLothar | yay |
14:59.54 | Shouryuu | my neighbour totoro is like the coolest movie ever |
15:00.18 | Legorol | another error: |
15:00.27 | Legorol | line 30, you also have BrowseName:IsVisible() |
15:00.40 | AnduinLothar | bah |
15:01.05 | AnduinLothar | fixed |
15:01.15 | Legorol | why not just do setuphooks once the auctionUI has loaded? |
15:01.20 | Legorol | any reason why it has to be done at load time? |
15:01.58 | AnduinLothar | meh |
15:02.33 | AnduinLothar | fine... |
15:03.07 | Legorol | no no, don't bother |
15:03.14 | Legorol | it works as it is, don't change code now |
15:03.18 | Legorol | change code -> bugs ;-) |
15:03.26 | AnduinLothar | nah, i dont make bugs |
15:03.27 | Legorol | IEF didn't help with FrameXML.log, weird |
15:03.28 | AnduinLothar | users do |
15:03.31 | Legorol | lol |
15:05.09 | Legorol | works with enginv too |
15:05.13 | Legorol | ok, i gotta go, have fun |
15:05.20 | Legorol | thanks for the fixes |
15:05.25 | AnduinLothar | np, adios |
15:17.14 | Shouryuu | question |
15:17.35 | Shouryuu | will /script BT, _= UnitBuff("target", i) for i=1,16 do DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(BT) end write the name of every buff on your target? |
15:18.15 | AnduinLothar | no |
15:18.35 | AnduinLothar | it will nil error |
15:18.59 | Shouryuu | do I need to add UnitBuff("target",i) in the for loop? |
15:19.05 | AnduinLothar | si |
15:19.41 | Shouryuu | If i'm checking for my dot on a mob, should I use unitDebuff or unitBuff? |
15:19.52 | AnduinLothar | debuff |
15:19.56 | Shouryuu | ok cool thanks |
15:21.01 | AnduinLothar | kinda feel sorry for nenes now. i made her two addon ocntributions obsolete |
15:21.10 | AnduinLothar | nemes* |
15:21.15 | Shouryuu | lol |
15:21.18 | AnduinLothar | http://www.wowinterface.com/list.php?skinnerid=22671 |
15:21.22 | Shouryuu | yeah saw that |
15:21.40 | AnduinLothar | tho she got liek 6k dl in three days O.o |
15:22.04 | AnduinLothar | that just boggles my mind... esp on wowi |
15:22.29 | Shouryuu | lol |
15:22.42 | Shouryuu | did she stop because of you? |
15:22.59 | AnduinLothar | "Wardrobe has branched 3 times now, following the 1.9 patch! Nemes is thus abandoning her Wardrobe-nemes and TitanWardrobe. Here are the options available to you:" |
15:23.23 | AnduinLothar | so she's using and recomends mine now |
15:23.35 | Shouryuu | lol |
15:24.18 | Shouryuu | I have a question |
15:24.27 | Shouryuu | do macros have memory? |
15:24.30 | AnduinLothar | I'm like "I don't want it! I just fixed it up and it's nice and shiney now. Here, you take it! |
15:24.48 | AnduinLothar | um, memory? |
15:24.50 | Shouryuu | if I set a = 1; in a macro, will a == 1 the next time I use the macro or will a be nil? |
15:25.12 | AnduinLothar | if you dont define as local it will be global |
15:25.17 | AnduinLothar | same as an addon |
15:25.19 | Shouryuu | so non-nil |
15:25.21 | Shouryuu | ok cool |
15:25.27 | Shouryuu | I've always thought otherwise |
15:25.30 | Shouryuu | don't know why... |
15:26.13 | AnduinLothar | she did make nice screen shots i yoinked and i basicly copied her titan support + a few name changes |
15:26.59 | Shouryuu | so what did you change? |
15:27.10 | AnduinLothar | read the change log :P |
15:27.17 | AnduinLothar | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4471 |
15:27.49 | Shouryuu | read, read... |
15:28.06 | AnduinLothar | not that the one line "-Converted code to more object oriented style. Most everything is within the Wardrobe table, even the XML frames" really describes the 5 hour hell it took.. |
15:29.20 | Shouryuu | lol |
15:30.39 | Shouryuu | w00t my add-on has had more than 300 downloads! |
15:30.43 | AnduinLothar | ya, see Wardrobe-nemes in it's short lifetime amassed mroe dl than perl has on wowi total.. |
15:30.47 | Shouryuu | I feel all fuzzy and warm and special inside |
15:31.12 | AnduinLothar | ya downlaods do give fuzzies |
15:31.20 | Shouryuu | lol |
15:31.45 | Shouryuu | well your's apparantely has about 300 downloads in about what, 3hours? and it's 3am... |
15:32.14 | AnduinLothar | 9 hrs |
15:32.21 | AnduinLothar | submitted Yesterday 10:19 PM |
15:33.07 | AnduinLothar | hell, wardrobe-nemes has more dl on wowi than all of my 19 addons there combined |
15:33.27 | Shouryuu | lol |
15:33.48 | AnduinLothar | now do u see how insane that is O.o |
15:34.04 | AnduinLothar | Sea doesn't even get downloads that fast |
15:34.23 | AnduinLothar | unless u could from the cosmos distro which we dont have #'s for |
15:34.27 | AnduinLothar | count* |
15:36.00 | AnduinLothar | anyway... http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=2391 |
15:36.05 | AnduinLothar | sleep time for me |
15:36.09 | Shouryuu | w00t |
15:36.13 | Shouryuu | uploaded my first torrent |
15:36.17 | Shouryuu | feal patriotic and shit |
15:36.18 | AnduinLothar | nice |
15:36.19 | Shouryuu | *feel |
15:36.21 | AnduinLothar | lol |
15:36.36 | AnduinLothar | well i just feel liek shit |
15:36.39 | AnduinLothar | so sleep |
15:36.47 | AnduinLothar | till my 2pm mc run anyway |
15:36.54 | Shouryuu | haha |
15:36.56 | Shouryuu | night then |
15:46.19 | Corrodias | what, i wonder, is the purpose of ItemSync... |
15:47.00 | Corrodias | the person who wrote the description on curse didn't bother to actually describe it |
15:48.20 | Shouryuu | could anyone help me here |
15:48.26 | Shouryuu | what does Usage: UnitDeBuff("unit",index[.raidFilter]) mean? |
15:48.35 | Shouryuu | especialy the [.raidFilter] part |
15:50.59 | Corrodias | hmm, hmm |
15:51.20 | Corrodias | i fear i know too little about LUA to answer that |
15:51.43 | Shouryuu | dang |
15:51.46 | Shouryuu | the su><orz |
15:51.57 | Shouryuu | and sorry but I have no idea what itemSybc does =P |
15:53.28 | Corrodias | it appears to have some similar function to lootlink, but the description only says "This is a complete rewrite of ItemsMatrix.", as far as describing its function is concerned |
15:53.35 | Corrodias | so i have to search for itemsmatrix, i guess, to find out |
15:54.33 | Shouryuu | lol |
15:54.56 | Corrodias | it stores the vendor prices of items. |
15:55.26 | Corrodias | i don't know if you even need an addon for that |
15:57.47 | Corrodias | ah, perhaps it adds the display in some locations that i don't presently have it, although i think Auctioneer takes care of that already. plus it keeps a database like lootlink |
15:58.28 | Shouryuu | I don't like those add-ons |
15:58.35 | Shouryuu | eat your memory up wayyy to fast |
16:00.01 | Corrodias | ah, memory. i love that stuff. |
16:00.22 | Shouryuu | lol |
16:01.01 | Corrodias | WoW has no memory trouble at all on this desktop as long as i remember not to browse 4chan /hr/ while playing |
16:01.21 | [MoonWolf] | Corrodias, :O :P |
16:02.07 | Corrodias | i've done that. firefox consumes memory in great gulps and never releases it |
16:02.30 | Corrodias | WoW doesn't perform well when all its memory has been swapped out :) |
16:04.27 | Ktron | heh |
16:04.34 | Ktron | That's why I stopped using FF's Chatzilla |
16:04.55 | Shouryuu | lol I love this avatar http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/beakerbongload/stupidposts.gif |
16:05.06 | Ktron | I was getting up to like 200mb eaten by FF even when I was only running Chatzilla |
16:05.39 | Ktron | Shouryuu, nice |
16:07.17 | Shouryuu | ugh |
16:07.20 | Shouryuu | I hate maths |
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16:08.39 | Ktron | which type? |
16:10.13 | Shouryuu | the ones I'm doing right now |
16:10.19 | Shouryuu | don't know how you call them in english |
16:10.36 | Shouryuu | more or less combinations I think in english |
16:11.02 | Corrodias | combinations and permutations, perhaps |
16:11.05 | Shouryuu | do you know nCr(p,n) or maybe C(n,p)? |
16:11.10 | Corrodias | that's it |
16:11.16 | Shouryuu | yup |
16:11.18 | Shouryuu | basicly that |
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16:11.32 | Shouryuu | mixed with awww fucks how do you call that in english |
16:11.37 | Shouryuu | "ensembles" in french |
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16:11.44 | kremonte | errr |
16:11.48 | kremonte | i should know that |
16:11.52 | Shouryuu | Like R for reals, N for naturals, C for complexes |
16:11.54 | kremonte | but my brain is off today |
16:11.58 | Shouryuu | lol |
16:12.28 | Shouryuu | It's a mix of combiantion and ensembles, really gets fucked up |
16:12.39 | kremonte | whats talking about that involves it? |
16:13.12 | Shouryuu | switch your brain back on for a sec, that made no sens to me :P |
16:13.27 | Corrodias | i vaguely remember combination and permutations being covered in my pre-calculus class |
16:13.41 | kremonte | ensembles is like, groups or sets |
16:13.43 | Corrodias | or was it discrete [sp] math... |
16:13.46 | Shouryuu | sets exactly |
16:13.53 | kremonte | but i'm not sure how it applies because i don't know what you're all talking about haha |
16:13.58 | Shouryuu | lol |
16:14.05 | Shouryuu | it's a mix of sets and combinations |
16:14.30 | Shouryuu | I really hate it |
16:14.46 | kremonte | oh no, you're talking about math now?! |
16:14.50 | kremonte | i better idle |
16:14.57 | Shouryuu | nah |
16:15.12 | Shouryuu | I'm going to study anyways |
16:15.16 | Shouryuu | should be studying... |
16:15.33 | kremonte | etudier i know french woot |
16:15.56 | Shouryuu|Studyin | lol |
16:15.58 | Shouryuu|Studyin | w00t |
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16:17.35 | Gello | heya anyone here have access to a non-enUS client? |
16:17.45 | kremonte | shouryuu just went afk! |
16:18.24 | Shouryuu|Studyin | I don't anyways |
16:18.36 | kremonte | wtf that doesn't make sense! |
16:18.55 | Gello | no worries thanks! |
16:19.35 | Corrodias | does WoW read your non-unicode regional setting or are the clients physically different? |
16:20.32 | kremonte | (correct me if i'm wrong) aren't the only differences the server list and the locale? =S |
16:21.21 | Corrodias | i have no idea. i suspect mostly all the text will be different, but then that might just be localized lua files |
16:22.36 | kremonte | yeah, though i have no idea considering the stuff i've heard about german localization |
16:22.45 | kremonte | those silly germans |
16:26.32 | kremonte | hahaha, video of mass MPK in ffxi...makes me want to play again |
16:26.50 | Corrodias | MPK? |
16:27.10 | kremonte | training mobs to kill players =) |
16:27.15 | kremonte | they don't evade bug in ffxi |
16:27.47 | kremonte | so someone trained a level 48 AF1 mob in a level 10-20 zone |
16:27.48 | Corrodias | evade bug? >_> |
16:28.05 | kremonte | you know, when you run away from a monster, the monster evades and runs aaway |
16:28.16 | Corrodias | oh, you can't hit him when he runs away, i got it |
16:28.39 | Corrodias | although if you try to run, you get dazed when they hit you :P |
16:28.44 | kremonte | heh |
16:28.55 | Corrodias | yeah that has pissed me off more than once |
16:29.00 | kremonte | the mechanism in ffxi is, no daze or anything, but between each area there's a loading screen |
16:29.03 | kremonte | "zoning" =P |
16:29.53 | Corrodias | my friend related to me a time when someone in WoW used a warlock to enslave a demon and release him in.. stormwind, i think. the interesting part about this mob was that his health would refill whenever he killed somebody. i don't know if the story is true, but that's what he said. |
16:30.06 | kremonte | not true =( |
16:30.16 | kremonte | though, there is a funny thing you can do |
16:30.28 | kremonte | you can train the mobs in blasted lands that go invincible at 1% to anywhere |
16:30.43 | kremonte | so last week a pally had 2 of them, and they were killing the king |
16:30.46 | Corrodias | as i recall, there is some outdoor boss that gains power in some manner when he kills somebody |
16:30.52 | kremonte | yea lord kazzak |
16:30.54 | Corrodias | he probably isn't a demon, though |
16:31.00 | kremonte | he is a demon but he's a boss |
16:31.02 | Corrodias | why do they become invincible at 1%? |
16:31.17 | kremonte | quest mobs. you have to get theem to 1% when they are near a crystal then touch the crystal |
16:31.26 | kremonte | but otherwise they go invincible :) |
16:31.29 | Corrodias | that sounds like a blast |
16:31.48 | kremonte | on those 2 mobs, they got the king to 80% and i got dagger + staff + unarmed to 300/300/240 :D |
16:31.57 | Corrodias | i wonder if mobs can take a zeppelin.. |
16:32.05 | kremonte | no :( |
16:32.13 | Corrodias | here's my question: how were they stopped, eventually? |
16:32.15 | kremonte | GM |
16:32.23 | kremonte | they have been trained to IF, it's a pain though |
16:32.25 | Corrodias | sure, they ruin all the leet mob fun |
16:32.43 | kremonte | they normally stop running at blackrock mountain, so thye only way to get them past is with a priest MCing |
16:32.52 | Corrodias | MC? |
16:32.54 | kremonte | mind control |
16:33.19 | Corrodias | is that a priest ability or are we talking about the trinket? |
16:33.20 | kremonte | i had a lot of fun with those 2 mobs in SW keep.. i used searing pain over and over (short cast, +++hate) and slowly pulled them through the city... i had more than 100 guards on them |
16:33.22 | kremonte | priest |
16:33.46 | kremonte | you can use MC cap but if it backfires youre screwed, and it wont last long enoughg =/ |
16:33.57 | Corrodias | 100 guards? shit, SW must be absolutely crawling with those guys |
16:34.04 | kremonte | they spawn =P |
16:34.21 | Corrodias | ..ah, that would explain the video i saw of a raid on darnassus |
16:34.21 | kremonte | each guard + civilian spawns lots |
16:34.30 | kremonte | yea thats why town raiding is such ap ain |
16:35.09 | kremonte | the civs make guards, and to kill guards you aoe, but when you aoe you kill civilians |
16:35.39 | Corrodias | that's fine for Normal servers.. seems to me, though, that PvP servers should give you credit for raiding towns, not penalties |
16:36.06 | kremonte | yup. pvp is dead, raiding pve is no fun |
16:36.15 | kremonte | i haven't played in a while, there's just nothinjg to do |
16:37.59 | Corrodias | i can see how you might run out of interesting things to do. |
16:39.07 | Corrodias | repair costs don't help |
16:39.29 | kremonte | yup. farm a few hours every week for repairs, raid, farm, raid...bg ain't fun =( |
16:39.40 | kremonte | like right now i'm sitting here doing nothing |
16:39.47 | Corrodias | how many alts do you have? |
16:40.01 | kremonte | like 3 or 4, but levelling isn't fun the second time around for me |
16:40.06 | Corrodias | ah |
16:40.08 | kremonte | so what, i get an alt to 60 to |
16:40.12 | kremonte | farm raid farm raid farm raid..lol |
16:40.23 | Corrodias | the fun is in the journey |
16:40.37 | Corrodias | the party is kind of lame but the road trip is what makes it worth the trouble |
16:40.42 | kremonte | same as ffxi :-( |
16:40.55 | kremonte | got to 75...ran around jeuno in circles, eventually quit |
16:40.55 | Corrodias | then, if you don't enjoy that part, then there's really not much reason to play |
16:41.08 | kremonte | getting to 60 the first time around was really fun |
16:41.47 | Corrodias | personally, i can't wait to see ZG. but maybe by the 10th time i'll have had enough of it to last for a while. :| |
16:42.10 | kremonte | yup. was there with my guild as we first cleared zg. was there with my guild on our first kills in bwl..farming isn't fun |
16:42.16 | kremonte | farming an instance, farming for gold eh\ |
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16:55.01 | Astryl | Help! |
16:55.10 | Shouryuu|Studyin | I need somebody! |
16:55.15 | Astryl | Help! |
16:55.16 | Shouryuu | Help! |
16:55.21 | Shouryuu | not just anybody! |
16:55.22 | Astryl | Shoryuu! |
16:55.27 | Astryl | You understand Lua! |
16:55.31 | Shouryuu | When I was young oh so much younger than todayyyyyyy |
16:55.37 | Shouryuu | most people here do |
16:55.40 | kremonte | huh |
16:55.41 | kremonte | o.O |
16:55.44 | kremonte | i know lua |
16:55.47 | Shouryuu | but I just > them |
16:55.49 | kremonte | and i know shouryuu |
16:55.53 | kremonte | Shouryuu: LIAR |
16:56.01 | Shouryuu | Yeah I always lie |
16:56.07 | Astryl | Well everyone who understands, help me... |
16:56.11 | Astryl | I have some code... |
16:56.14 | Shouryuu | something is wrong with that statement |
16:56.19 | Astryl | ...And I don't understand what it's doing. |
16:56.23 | Shouryuu | use pastebin to paste it first :p |
16:56.26 | kremonte | Shouryuu: don't paradox me |
16:56.27 | Astryl | Already on it |
16:56.32 | kremonte | i'll have to while 1 you |
16:56.37 | Shouryuu | http://wow.pastebin.com/450473 |
16:56.43 | Shouryuu | lol |
16:56.49 | kremonte | lightning |
16:57.07 | Shouryuu | man I didn't even finish my song... |
16:57.50 | Astryl | OK, pastebin'd |
16:57.56 | Astryl | http://wow.pastebin.com/496540 |
16:58.06 | Corrodias | i started playing subspace for a moment. mistake! |
16:58.12 | Corrodias | there is no "for a moment" with that game |
16:58.19 | kremonte | wot's wrong with it |
16:58.54 | Astryl | Nothing's wrong with it. It works fine. I just want to get at the data it uses from somewhere else. |
16:59.04 | kremonte | huhruhrlrhrr? |
16:59.13 | kremonte | i am so confused, but my brain is off |
16:59.33 | Shouryuu | lol |
16:59.39 | Shouryuu | What do you want exactly? |
17:00.24 | Corrodias | there's too much WHITE in it. it's racist. |
17:00.35 | kremonte | shut up |
17:00.38 | Shouryuu | agreed |
17:00.39 | kremonte | i'm orange |
17:00.40 | Shouryuu | sorry |
17:00.43 | Shouryuu | but I have to agree |
17:00.46 | kremonte | and i think white people are the best |
17:00.51 | Corrodias | lol |
17:00.57 | kremonte | especially better than those friggin night elves |
17:01.21 | Astryl | That's the function from Asmo Honor Role, which generates the tooltip for itself. |
17:01.46 | Shouryuu | sounds right to me |
17:02.07 | Astryl | It makes a big tooltip that contains a list of all the people you've killed today, how many times you've killed them, sorted. |
17:02.12 | Corrodias | well, it's time for my midday nap, i think. |
17:02.27 | Astryl | I want to look up from another script, how many times I've killed a certain person today. |
17:03.17 | Astryl | So looking at the Asmo code, it's getting the value for how many times that person has been killed today from... |
17:03.19 | Astryl | HKillTrackerData[playerName..'kills'][HonorRank] |
17:05.00 | Astryl | I don't understand the HonorRank thing though. |
17:05.29 | Astryl | I'm having trouble following where it's getting HonorRank. (And the reasoning for it, anyway) |
17:05.55 | Astryl | I'm message()ed it out, and HonorRank is just the rank of that person. |
17:06.17 | Corrodias | which person? |
17:06.19 | Astryl | Why it's needed in order to look up the kill count of that person in a subtable, I don't understand. |
17:06.26 | Astryl | playerName.. |
17:06.32 | Corrodias | i have no idea, then |
17:06.52 | Astryl | kremonte? Shouryuu? |
17:07.03 | Shouryuu | the problem I see |
17:07.09 | Shouryuu | is I don't see the rest of the code.. |
17:07.20 | Astryl | Rest of the code? |
17:07.49 | Corrodias | 'ni. [away] @ bed |
17:07.53 | Shouryuu | wait I'm lookkinf :P |
17:07.54 | Astryl | Oh, for that addon? |
17:08.15 | Astryl | OK, I need to go afk like 3 min, I'll b rb |
17:08.16 | Astryl | brb |
17:08.49 | Shouryuu | yeah I think having the whole add-on might help |
17:09.26 | kremonte | wow |
17:09.31 | kremonte | my boot loader is AWESOME |
17:09.48 | kremonte | after my listing for linux/windows, i have an ascii cow |
17:10.30 | Shouryuu | ascii cow? |
17:10.33 | kremonte | yea |
17:10.41 | kremonte | a cow in | / # \'s |
17:10.51 | Shouryuu | lol |
17:11.56 | Shouryuu | astryl the thing is I suspect he hasn't bothered saving the name... So you might have to add-it yourself |
17:13.52 | Shouryuu | ok he has bothered rememberig the names |
17:15.00 | cladhaire | Astryl, its not NEEDED-- but he saves it so he can display it in the tooltip |
17:15.28 | Astryl | Back |
17:16.08 | Astryl | OK, thank's cladhaire and Shouryuu... So how do I look up the kill count for a certain person? |
17:16.28 | Shouryuu | so you want to know how many times you've killed a certain person today via another command that the tooltip? |
17:16.33 | Astryl | Yes. |
17:16.50 | Shouryuu | ok let me think then :P |
17:16.54 | Astryl | I want to add it to the standard game tooltip. |
17:17.20 | Shouryuu | a search function? |
17:17.31 | Astryl | ...You asking me? |
17:17.36 | Shouryuu | yeah :P |
17:17.46 | Shouryuu | you want to add a search function to the tooltip? |
17:18.17 | Shouryuu | the best I can do is via a slash command, e.g /asmo John |
17:18.28 | Shouryuu | "You have killed john 12 times today" |
17:18.40 | Astryl | Nah, I can take care of adding it to the game tooltip; I'm just adding another handler for Khaos Tooltips. |
17:18.46 | Astryl | OK, sure, that's fine. |
17:19.06 | Astryl | If you can just write me the code to get the value, that's enough. |
17:19.13 | cladhaire | local rank,kills = next(HKillTrackerData[playerName..'kills']) |
17:19.27 | cladhaire | more specifically for a mouseover unit |
17:19.31 | cladhaire | local rank, kills = next |
17:19.32 | Shouryuu | let cladhair to it, I suck at programing and most things |
17:19.50 | cladhaire | local rank,kills = next(HKillTrackerData[UnitName("mouseover")..'kills']) |
17:20.28 | Astryl | Sweet, thanks muchly! |
17:20.33 | cladhaire | err/. |
17:20.36 | cladhaire | that won't work. |
17:20.39 | Astryl | ... |
17:20.41 | Astryl | OKie. |
17:20.44 | cladhaire | to be clear.. what specifically are you trying to do |
17:20.51 | cladhaire | look up how many times YOU Have killed someone? |
17:20.56 | Shouryuu | yeah |
17:20.57 | Astryl | Yes. |
17:21.08 | Astryl | That's all this addon tracks. |
17:21.17 | Astryl | Doesn't track how many times other people kill other people. |
17:21.29 | cladhaire | *nod* i know Asmo.. i roll with him on stormrage |
17:21.49 | Astryl | Really. Let him know I love his addon! :) |
17:22.06 | cladhaire | and you have a unitID when youi're doin git |
17:22.17 | Astryl | Yeah. |
17:22.31 | cladhaire | k gimme a sec |
17:22.35 | Astryl | OKie |
17:26.42 | cladhaire | local _, kills = HKillTrackerData[UnitName("player")..kills][UnitName("mouseover").." ("..(GetPVPRankInfo(UnitPVPRank("mouseover")))..")"] |
17:26.45 | cladhaire | I think that should cover it. |
17:27.00 | Astryl | Sweet, thank you muchly! |
17:27.17 | Shouryuu | glad I cold stand and watch =P |
17:27.20 | Shouryuu | *could |
17:27.25 | Astryl | :) |
17:27.48 | Astryl | Well Shouryuu, when you're not useful, you're at least decorative! |
17:27.59 | Shouryuu | hhe |
17:29.36 | Astryl | Err, should that "kills" be in quotes? |
17:29.56 | Shouryuu | nope |
17:29.58 | cladhaire | yes |
17:30.02 | Shouryuu | dang |
17:30.04 | Shouryuu | tried :P |
17:30.10 | Astryl | OKie |
17:38.14 | Astryl | OKie, looks like I've got it done right, now I just need to kill someone... |
17:40.16 | Shouryuu | lol |
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17:48.06 | Shouryuu | f*** firefox |
17:48.12 | Maldivia | ok |
17:48.13 | Maldivia | ? |
17:48.17 | Tain | Poor Firefox. :( |
17:48.23 | Shouryuu | lol |
17:48.30 | Shouryuu | each time I open it my ping just goes crazy |
17:48.35 | Shouryuu | I mean from 2ms to 3000 |
17:49.52 | Shouryuu | request timed out, request timed out.... |
17:49.53 | Shouryuu | igh |
17:49.54 | Shouryuu | *ugh |
17:51.46 | Shouryuu | the only thing I like about firefox is the multi-tab thing |
18:13.21 | Ktron | there's more browsers that have tabs... Opera @ http://www.opera.com and Maxthon @ http://www.maxthon.com/ for example... But I like Firefox better than either of those, Firefox has a lot of nice features, a nice theming ability, and the extensions are nice... can't iamgine what you dislike ;) |
18:48.26 | futr-sleep | who wants to be the first person on my forum? forums.edowner.net ;'] |
18:51.15 | futrtrubl | yay Ktron! |
18:52.06 | Ktron | I hope you enjoy it, and if you delete it, I will not be offended. |
18:52.17 | Ktron | the only weird thing I noticed |
18:52.23 | Ktron | when I went to activate and clicked the email link |
18:52.44 | Ktron | I got a 'you already activated it!' message I think instead of a 'good job, it is now activated.' |
18:54.00 | futrtrubl | hmmm.... wish I could debug that, but I have no php ability and haven't yet read the phpbb manual ;'] |
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19:21.21 | Shouryuu | rawr |
19:25.10 | futrtrubl | squeek |
19:27.11 | Tain | poit |
19:27.32 | qwxyr | any of you guys done some Java before? |
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19:29.19 | Shouryuu | w00t I'm seeding my first torrent file |
19:29.40 | Tain | Not I, qwxyr |
19:29.53 | Shouryuu | A vivid sens of duty and accomplishment light within me |
19:30.35 | Tuatara | what is your question qwxyr? |
19:31.19 | qwxyr | I have a simple program, but it's activiting an event to my listener TWICE for some strange reason. Sec I'll link to pastebin |
19:31.33 | qwxyr | http://pastebin.com/496722 |
19:32.08 | id` | kaelten around? |
19:32.09 | id` | no =( |
19:32.22 | id` | http://wowace.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=14358 |
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19:35.19 | id` | http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=2774 |
19:35.22 | id` | (sorry, curse) |
19:36.46 | Shouryuu | does anyone here think that binding your usual wasd to szxc would be a good idea, since it adds a row of easily reachables keys, qwer and 1234 instead of the usual 1234 |
19:37.31 | Malivil | that would actually make sense... |
19:37.45 | Malivil | the thing with qwer though |
19:37.50 | Malivil | err |
19:37.51 | Malivil | wasd |
19:38.05 | Shouryuu | it's more natural? |
19:38.10 | Malivil | is that not only can you reach the 1234 but also the zxcv and all the buttons around it |
19:38.20 | Malivil | qerfvcxz plus alt control and space |
19:38.28 | Shouryuu | yeah but who reaches for the bottom ones? |
19:38.32 | Malivil | me. |
19:38.36 | Shouryuu | hehe |
19:38.38 | Malivil | =-P |
19:38.59 | Malivil | if you use szxc instead od wasd you also have to reach farther for the 1234 |
19:39.01 | Shouryuu | I've been thinking real hard about keybindings since my druid |
19:39.06 | Shouryuu | yeah |
19:39.13 | Malivil | You can do what you want, that's just my preference |
19:39.14 | Shouryuu | REALLY further |
19:39.22 | Malivil | Although it make be the years of wasd gaming that has done it.. |
19:39.29 | Shouryuu | very true |
19:39.47 | Malivil | try it out |
19:39.51 | id` | im trying to upload my keyboard layout to some pastebin but im havitn trouble with internet sec :| |
19:39.57 | Malivil | if you don't like it you can always switch back |
19:40.12 | Shouryuu | the problem is I don't have WoW till february =( |
19:40.18 | Shouryuu | so I can only think |
19:40.19 | Malivil | oo, why? |
19:40.22 | id` | you guys read what i say? |
19:40.25 | Malivil | Yes. |
19:40.26 | Shouryuu | yeah |
19:40.28 | id` | :| |
19:40.32 | id` | my internet is weird |
19:40.33 | Shouryuu | that add-on sounds like a cool idea |
19:40.35 | Shouryuu | agreed |
19:40.36 | id` | some sites work some dont |
19:40.44 | id` | pastebin.com doesnt work |
19:40.46 | Shouryuu | mal - I need to study so WoW is out da window |
19:40.48 | id` | google does |
19:40.53 | Malivil | oo |
19:40.59 | Malivil | id |
19:41.02 | Malivil | you doing wow.pastebin.com? |
19:41.11 | id` | the whole domain |
19:41.18 | Malivil | no i mean, going to that site |
19:41.44 | Malivil | as opposed to a different one |
19:42.24 | id` | not really :| |
19:42.27 | id` | id spam it |
19:42.28 | id` | : |
19:42.29 | id` | p |
19:42.34 | Malivil | try |
19:42.35 | Malivil | http://pastebin.ca/ |
19:42.39 | Malivil | http://paste.uni.cc/ |
19:42.41 | id` | http://hellsblade.xs4all.nl:88/ |
19:42.42 | Malivil | http://pastebin.co.uk/new |
19:42.48 | id` | that works for you? |
19:42.50 | Malivil | ...nope |
19:42.51 | id` | (my own webserver) |
19:42.56 | id` | LKJDFH |
19:43.04 | id` | :P |
19:43.09 | id` | hes screwing with the firewall |
19:43.12 | Malivil | oi |
19:43.16 | id` | around* |
19:43.21 | Shouryuu | anyone here seen JarHead? |
19:43.26 | Malivil | I did |
19:43.32 | Shouryuu | is it any good? |
19:43.36 | Malivil | Yea, it's pretty good |
19:43.42 | Malivil | I would see it again |
19:43.50 | Shouryuu | nevermind |
19:43.53 | Shouryuu | pom poko it is |
19:43.57 | Malivil | o.O |
19:44.03 | Shouryuu | Miyazaki > Jarhead |
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19:50.35 | pagefault | is honor inspection not working on your guy's servers as well? |
19:54.53 | Malivil | i don't know... |
19:54.56 | Malivil | lemme check |
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20:21.31 | End | hmm |
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20:24.16 | id`` | there, helped my dad with the firewall |
20:24.44 | id`` | http://pastebin.com/496821 |
20:24.49 | id`` | my wow keyboard layout |
20:26.55 | End | I used to have my action buttons set up like that |
20:27.14 | End | but I never got used to using the ctrl or alt keys |
20:28.18 | id`` | i have my ctrl and capslock switched |
20:28.23 | id`` | (on windows) |
20:28.46 | id`` | and i really only use buttons 1-5 |
20:29.07 | id`` | look at r f v z and g though |
20:29.10 | id`` | :) |
20:29.33 | End | I only use 1-4 most of the time, but I have it set up to switch bars whether I am targetting a friendly or an enemy |
20:31.47 | End | hmm |
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21:00.34 | Iriel | Any cosmos devs on? |
21:03.19 | Legorol | yep |
21:03.35 | Iriel | Can you somehow get a message to Thott to stop using retarded global names like TS |
21:03.42 | Legorol | nope |
21:03.52 | Iriel | And maybe pick something that's not so likely to be clobbered by macros/typos/whatever? |
21:03.53 | Iriel | Hm. |
21:03.59 | id`` | and to chop cosmos up in parts and make each part separately available? |
21:04.12 | Codayus | lol |
21:04.13 | id`` | with a description and screenshot |
21:04.17 | id`` | like CT for example does |
21:04.27 | Iriel | Or, failing that, remove Thottbot from the compilation on the grounds that it's overly fragile 8-) |
21:04.54 | id`` | no really im serious. i might start using things from it but im not going to look through everything myself to see what it does |
21:05.14 | Malivil | i download it all and get rid of everything but like... 3 things |
21:05.19 | Malivil | Its SO annoying to update |
21:05.22 | id`` | see |
21:05.23 | id`` | :D |
21:05.31 | Legorol | I completely agree with those points |
21:05.34 | id`` | Good Thing (tm) |
21:06.38 | id`` | but who is this thott dude |
21:06.39 | id`` | :p |
21:07.02 | Malivil | The runner or Thottbot |
21:07.04 | Malivil | *of |
21:07.20 | id`` | and he is in charge of cosmos? |
21:07.24 | Malivil | No |
21:07.27 | Malivil | That's Alex |
21:07.29 | Malivil | One of them |
21:07.30 | Malivil | Anyway |
21:07.44 | Iriel | On the bright side, it was a good way to test my 'what global symbols do I create/use' scanner |
21:08.15 | Malivil | nice |
21:08.35 | Legorol | Iriel, are you using a metatable with __newindex on the global namespace? |
21:08.38 | Legorol | or just a simple global scan |
21:08.43 | Iriel | It's a lua parser |
21:08.51 | Legorol | oh right |
21:08.56 | Iriel | it runs against the source code |
21:08.56 | Legorol | i thought you meant in-game |
21:09.04 | Iriel | So it'll miss setglobal/getglobal |
21:09.19 | Legorol | btw, what are we going to do from 1.10 in terms of internal API scans? |
21:09.22 | Iriel | but it's handy for finding places you forgot a 'local' |
21:09.33 | Legorol | do you have any ideas yet? because i have some... |
21:09.48 | Iriel | I've done ALL of my scans to date without subverting FrameXML, so I'll just stick with what I do now |
21:09.49 | krka | I noticed 1.9 is out now... any major and or minor UI changes |
21:09.54 | krka | ? |
21:09.59 | Legorol | yeah, some fun stuff |
21:10.05 | Iriel | krka: See my sticky thread (and the API one it links to at the end of the first article) |
21:10.35 | Legorol | so ehm, Iriel, do you do in-game scan of the global env? |
21:10.56 | Iriel | Legorol : Yes, and cross reference it against the symbols created by the FrameXML code |
21:11.00 | Legorol | if you do, how do you filter out the Blizzard created ones? |
21:11.01 | Legorol | right |
21:11.12 | Legorol | i see |
21:11.21 | Iriel | Legorol : Actually, to be entirely complete, cross reference it against the symbols created by and referenced by the frameXML code |
21:11.24 | Legorol | well, what i was doing until now is to do a getfenv(0) first thing in FrameXML.toc |
21:11.47 | Legorol | hm, how is that different than just created by? |
21:11.49 | Iriel | and a list of the 'potential symbol' names from the executable |
21:12.07 | Legorol | let me get this straight |
21:12.14 | Legorol | any global function has to be either internal, or Blizz UI defined |
21:12.28 | Legorol | so if you take all globals, and subtract the set of Blizz UI created ones, are you not left with the internal ones? |
21:12.30 | krka | thanks |
21:12.30 | Iriel | Hooks look different than plain definitions (Though I haven't actually run into any yet, in theory I can find them) |
21:12.32 | Legorol | does this go wrong somewhere? |
21:12.50 | Legorol | hooks? |
21:12.56 | Iriel | It's more like 'merge all the different sources of information into a big hairy list and then find what looks right' |
21:13.17 | Legorol | why do hooks look any different than function definitions? |
21:13.26 | Legorol | sorry i don't follow you :( |
21:13.37 | Iriel | I'm sure it'll go wrong if blizzard start hooking their own global functions (They could for example hook UnitLevel in FrameXML without us being able to avoid it) |
21:13.49 | Iriel | A hook looks like 'reference global XYZ, define global XYZ' |
21:14.02 | Iriel | a definition looks like 'define global XYZ' |
21:14.05 | Legorol | oh right, i see what you mean |
21:14.21 | Iriel | so if I see it referenced before it's defined, that's notable |
21:14.29 | Legorol | so a hook counts as an internal function, even though it's a definition in Lua |
21:14.36 | Legorol | i see |
21:14.45 | Legorol | well the idea i had so far is this: |
21:14.59 | Legorol | until now i did getfenv(0) before any Blizz code, so that's 100% accurate |
21:15.25 | Legorol | however, i noticed that a pattern about the function addresses of the internal and Lua defined ones |
21:15.46 | Iriel | I would imagine they're quite different |
21:15.52 | Legorol | so as a test, i did a getfenv(0) after the Blizz code, then filtered the functions into two sets based on the address |
21:16.07 | Legorol | i compared this with the normal scan and it gave the same result in terms of what's an internal function |
21:16.16 | Legorol | so it seems fairly reliable |
21:16.24 | Legorol | however, it would go wrong with a hook |
21:16.32 | Iriel | I would think that's a pretty sound approach |
21:16.34 | Iriel | in general |
21:17.09 | Legorol | at the moment, after 1.10, i will have to use this method |
21:17.27 | Legorol | you know, we should convince slouken to allow us to load code before the Blizz UI |
21:17.28 | Iriel | You're reminding me I haven't done a proper scan of 1.9 since it launched. |
21:17.30 | Legorol | not just because of this |
21:17.39 | Iriel | We've asked many times, I'm absolutely sure he's heard us. |
21:17.40 | Legorol | nothing changed from last test version |
21:17.45 | Legorol | ok fair enough |
21:17.50 | Legorol | i won't ask again then |
21:17.56 | Legorol | although i haven't asked yet in the 1.10 thread, i think |
21:17.58 | Legorol | :D |
21:18.34 | Legorol | You know, however much trouble overriding FrameXML can cause, I don't agree with Blizz that they should lock it down |
21:18.47 | Legorol | Unless this is absolutely necessary for them to implement their secure AddOn scheme |
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21:19.10 | Legorol | which is probably the real reason for the lockdown in my opinion |
21:19.16 | Iriel | I think it gives them the option of doing 'secure' changes in LUA |
21:19.32 | Iriel | For example, they could have fixed the UnitLevel information leak bug in lua code, if we couldn't touch FrameXML |
21:19.44 | Legorol | yeah |
21:19.52 | Legorol | or, |
21:20.03 | Legorol | it's possible for them to give FrameXML code bigger API access than AddOns |
21:20.04 | Iriel | Or they could remove a bunch of global symbols before giving us access to it |
21:20.06 | Iriel | yes |
21:20.20 | Legorol | alhtough hm, i don't think that'd really work |
21:20.25 | Legorol | because once the code is running, |
21:20.29 | Iriel | it's work just fine BUT |
21:20.38 | Legorol | it's hard to tell whether you are executing inside FrameXML code or AddOn code |
21:20.40 | Iriel | it would put a far greater burden on their code to be safely written |
21:21.13 | Legorol | yeah |
21:21.24 | Iriel | For a temporal solution (i.e. kill everything in the last .toc file) that problem is irrelevant |
21:21.38 | Legorol | reason why i think FrameXML lockdown is detrimental for mods is actually testing/playing around, rather than actual deployed AddOns |
21:21.44 | Iriel | though for things like letting blizzard code do file IO, and not ours, it's quite hard. |
21:21.48 | Iriel | I really disagree there |
21:22.03 | Iriel | I've never really had to edit FrameXML code for any reason |
21:22.27 | Legorol | i still have ChatFrame.xml edited for more lines |
21:22.29 | Iriel | There have been things I can't do as a result of that, but those turn into feature requests for slouken 8-) |
21:22.32 | Legorol | i know we can do that via a method now |
21:22.33 | Iriel | That's doable in the API |
21:22.42 | Legorol | but i still haven't bothered writing an addon, when i can just change a number |
21:22.44 | Iriel | Though I guess it does clear the buffer at present |
21:22.50 | Legorol | but that's not a good argument on my part |
21:23.29 | Legorol | i don't know, i just think that the idea that in order to change something minor, you have to put a big package on top of the existing stuff |
21:23.34 | Legorol | seems a bit inefficient |
21:23.39 | Legorol | but then again, AddOns are a good thing |
21:24.21 | Iriel | The notion that a small addon is a 'big package' is wrong too, IMHO |
21:24.30 | Legorol | yeah maybe |
21:24.39 | Legorol | it's more of a user-side viewpoint though |
21:24.43 | Legorol | users don't like millions of addons |
21:24.48 | Legorol | it's not a question of actual physical size |
21:24.53 | Legorol | updating many many addons is a nuisance |
21:24.57 | Legorol | and keeping track of what does what |
21:25.13 | Tain | That's why, unfortunatly in my opinion, compilations are so popular. |
21:25.18 | Legorol | imagine that, with framexml lockdown, you would have 20 addons all of which simply call a widget method to modify some attrib defined in Blizz XML |
21:25.31 | Legorol | not an unlikely scenario |
21:25.32 | Iriel | Hopefully someone will consolidate the popular ones |
21:25.50 | Iriel | Most people end up making the exact same tweaks |
21:25.57 | Legorol | and then all you have done is have a compilation disguised as an addon |
21:26.11 | Iriel | Well, not really |
21:26.18 | Iriel | You have one addon that does what N addons did before |
21:26.27 | Iriel | As long as the things it does are related, it's a better situation |
21:26.36 | Legorol | true, but where do you draw the line? |
21:26.46 | Legorol | let's say you take 20 minor attrib tweaks, and you put them all in one addon |
21:26.52 | Legorol | what if a person wants one, but not the other? |
21:26.55 | Legorol | then you can have 20 options.. |
21:26.56 | Legorol | etc. etc. |
21:27.04 | Iriel | Say it's 20 chat frame tweaks |
21:27.05 | Legorol | same as any bloated compilation, like Cosmos ;-) |
21:27.14 | Iriel | I think that's fine, assuming the addon is well written |
21:27.32 | Legorol | that's true |
21:28.04 | Tain | The other issue is if one of those, "tweaks" breaks for any reason it can stop the rest from loading. |
21:28.06 | Iriel | if it's 20 completely unrelated tweaks, each with its own slash command as a cut and pasted nightmare, then I agree with you it's not a good idea |
21:28.12 | Tain | So then you're out 20 because of 1. |
21:29.58 | Tain | Actually I think it's pretty simple, it depends what the mod author's intentions are. |
21:30.37 | Tain | If the intentions are to get the most downloads and be popular than make it the lowest-common denominator of adding everything and the masses who don't isntall anything separately will download it. |
21:32.57 | krka | how could they have fixed UnitLevel info leak in Lua (without overwriting functions, that is) |
21:32.59 | Legorol | and then the author gets accused of bloatware-ing, when he adds 1 feature someone doesn't like |
21:33.10 | Legorol | krka, exactly by overwriting it ;-) |
21:33.15 | Legorol | hook UnitLevel and filter the result |
21:33.39 | Legorol | wouldn't that work? |
21:33.43 | krka | yup |
21:33.55 | krka | but is there some reason why they would want to do it in lua instead of in native? |
21:34.04 | Legorol | not that i can see |
21:34.13 | Legorol | if you have to push a patch, doesn't really matter where you fix it |
21:36.30 | MentalPower | Legorol! |
21:36.40 | MentalPower | You have a message in #norganna |
21:37.13 | krka | !subscribe to personal message notification service |
21:38.10 | MentalPower | lol |
21:38.22 | Iriel | It's easier to develop and test changes in lua than in the C++, I would imagine |
21:41.44 | krka | but the fix for UnitLevel should be easily fixed in C++ |
21:41.53 | krka | damn double fix |
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21:42.14 | krka | faster prototyping is a good point though |
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21:44.12 | Shouryuu|Miyazak | wow |
21:44.16 | Shouryuu|Miyazak | pom poko is a cool movie |
21:46.02 | krka | haven't seen that porn |
21:46.18 | krka | wait, that was an m |
21:46.29 | Shouryuu|Miyazak | smartass =) |
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21:54.06 | Anduin|Poof | moo |
21:54.14 | Shouryuu|Miyazak | rawr |
21:54.18 | Cairenn | purr |
21:54.27 | kremonte | growl? |
21:54.34 | shouryuu | *cower* |
21:54.41 | kremonte | *taunt* |
21:54.53 | shouryuu | hummm.... |
21:56.22 | Anduin|Poof | fing guild... cant even get 20 people for an mc anounced a week in advance |
21:58.40 | Shouryuu | I feel like such a hero. I'm seeding the only avaible copy of totoro on demonoid |
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21:59.26 | kremonte | totoro...? |
22:03.31 | Shouryuu | My neigbhor Totoro |
22:04.25 | Shouryuu | could there be any reasons for me to get randomly disconected from internet? |
22:04.36 | Shouryuu | they aren't even disconects |
22:04.57 | Shouryuu | I have a like 15k ping for 15 seconds, then everything goes back to normal |
22:05.05 | Iriel | Are you on dialup? DSL? Cable? Something else? |
22:05.20 | Shouryuu | Cable |
22:05.59 | Shouryuu | Wireless and using a router |
22:06.22 | Shouryuu | it can take me like 5 mins to load a page... |
22:06.47 | Iriel | It could be packet loss or routing problems somewhere |
22:06.51 | kremonte | omg Shouryuu lives in my house! |
22:06.55 | Shouryuu | I'm thinking routing |
22:06.57 | Shouryuu | lol |
22:06.58 | kremonte | coz i have wireless cable w/ router |
22:07.01 | Shouryuu | I'm in your basement |
22:07.04 | kremonte | no |
22:07.06 | kremonte | wait |
22:07.08 | kremonte | are you my cousin? |
22:07.13 | Shouryuu | yup |
22:07.28 | Iriel | Next time it happens see if you can ping your router, and the cable company's router |
22:07.41 | Iriel | see if the problem is in your house, or in the cable company's network, or the internet at large |
22:07.55 | Shouryuu | When I try to ping the router I get "request timed out" |
22:08.11 | Shouryuu | and how in god's name do I ping the company's router? |
22:17.10 | Shouryuu | demonoid.com is really a great torrent site |
22:17.38 | Iriel | Shouryuu : Generally you do a traceroute, and then find the nearest host to you which is pingable |
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22:18.01 | Flisher_Coding | Hello, anyone using the German Client here? |
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22:18.24 | Flisher_Coding | I need to know the 2 result of UnitFactionGroup("player") . Is it Faction, FactionEN or the reverse |
22:18.28 | Cairenn | hi Flisher_Coding, sorry, not I |
22:18.53 | Iriel | local factionGroup, factionName = UnitFactionGroup("target"); |
22:18.57 | Iriel | If that helps any |
22:18.57 | Shouryuu | Iriel - Thanks I'll try that |
22:19.11 | Flisher_Coding | Iriel: Well, are they localized result? |
22:19.23 | Iriel | The 2nd one is |
22:19.26 | Iriel | The 1st one isn't |
22:19.29 | zespri | Hello guys, what is the best gaming site? (Such as features current and upcoming games reviews and is easy to search and navigate?) |
22:19.30 | Iriel | as far as I can tell |
22:19.49 | Cairenn | hi zespri |
22:19.52 | Flisher_Coding | well, probably they are both. Anyway, I need my proof of concept to work in english before localizing |
22:19.55 | Shouryuu | for WoW? |
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22:20.00 | Iriel | Since the blizzard code uses the first result in referencing image names |
22:20.06 | zespri | How is it going, Cairenn? |
22:20.08 | Iriel | so it's not localized |
22:20.14 | Cairenn | good |
22:20.18 | Iriel | The 2nd one, I dont knowe about, but I would imagine it's localized. |
22:20.29 | Iriel | since it's a "name" |
22:20.31 | Flisher_Coding | ah, soo I use the first one :) |
22:20.40 | zespri | Cairenn - any news? =) |
22:21.17 | Cairenn | on? |
22:21.35 | Cairenn | or re your question? |
22:21.43 | Cairenn | re your question ... *shrug* |
22:21.44 | zespri | well, anything at all that is worth to know =) |
22:22.06 | zespri | well I figured that much =)( |
22:23.00 | Cairenn | heh, I'm rather behind myself, since I'm taking a bit of a break after last week's patch insanity and trying to enjoy time with my hubby since this is his last week home ... |
22:23.25 | Cairenn | I just pop into channel every now and then to check up on you guys ;) |
22:23.39 | zespri | is he going away fro holidays? We just returned form holidays, been away for two weeks |
22:23.58 | Shouryuu | I'm glad my internet crashed the day 1.9 came live |
22:24.44 | Cairenn | we live in Ottawa Ontario, Canada ... he works in NYC ... the last 2 weeks are the first I've seen him in 6 months, and he's only home for another week till he goes back, after which it'll be another 3 months or so before I get to see him again |
22:25.27 | zespri | sounds romantic |
22:25.59 | Cairenn | oh, yeah, it's just fabulous only seeing your other half 4 times a year /scarcasm |
22:26.16 | kremonte | scarcasm? |
22:26.24 | kremonte | Cairenn's sarcasticometer has a scar |
22:26.28 | Cairenn | heh |
22:26.34 | Tem | Cairenn: have you ever thought of moving to NYC? |
22:26.40 | krka | That's a REALLY useful invention... |
22:26.44 | kremonte | omg, don't ever |
22:26.51 | Cairenn | Tem - Lyre graduates in June ... |
22:26.52 | kremonte | NYC is like hell except it has much more smog |
22:26.53 | Guillotine | tem: I've asked that too. the answer is that her daughter is in her last year of high school |
22:26.55 | Tem | (maybe wait until your daughter gradutes) |
22:27.02 | Shouryuu | you've never been in Paris |
22:27.07 | Tem | I'm so on top of things |
22:27.11 | kremonte | Shouryuu: paris isn't as red |
22:27.18 | Tem | Shouryuu: I've been to paris |
22:27.18 | Shouryuu | I live there |
22:27.23 | Shouryuu | it's red to me |
22:27.28 | Tem | Shouryuu: I wouldn't want to live there |
22:27.32 | Shouryuu | lol |
22:27.36 | kremonte | mais pour les francais, tout le monde est rouge =X |
22:27.37 | Tem | Shouryuu: people don't know how to drive |
22:27.42 | Shouryuu | lol |
22:27.51 | Shouryuu | haha driving in paris is fun |
22:27.51 | Cairenn | she graduates in June, then goes back for another 1/2 year ... after that, well, I'm moving |
22:27.59 | kremonte | the streetlights in paris is red/red/red |
22:28.01 | Shouryuu | did you ever see Place de L'etoile? |
22:28.06 | Shouryuu | true dad |
22:28.06 | kremonte | the toilet place? |
22:28.10 | Shouryuu | lol |
22:28.12 | Cairenn | I'm not sure yet *where* I'm moving, but I'm moving |
22:28.21 | Tem | and you can't turn right at un fuex rouge |
22:28.27 | Tem | that gets to me |
22:28.28 | Shouryuu | oh noz! |
22:28.31 | pagefault | don't leave the country, it's crazy out there |
22:28.32 | Guillotine | Shouryuu: je suis un singe stupide de toilette |
22:28.41 | Shouryuu | that made no sens |
22:28.53 | Tem | L'etoile is "the stars" for you toilet people |
22:29.04 | Shouryuu | Tem > you all |
22:29.04 | Guillotine | ~x fr en je suis un singe stupide de toilette |
22:29.12 | kremonte | lol |
22:29.16 | Shouryuu | very true |
22:29.18 | Guillotine | yup. thats what it was supposed to say :D |
22:29.34 | Tem | Shouryuu: is that the one with the obelisks in the middle? |
22:29.38 | kremonte | that would be a good onjoin |
22:29.46 | kremonte | <purl> I am a stupid monkey of toilet |
22:29.53 | Shouryuu | Well that's what I understood. Still made no sens :P |
22:30.01 | kremonte | sense! |
22:30.02 | Shouryuu | no it's with the arc de triomphe |
22:30.02 | Shouryuu | that HUGE round-about |
22:30.03 | Guillotine | ba ka terebenjo = stupid toilet rat in chinese :D |
22:30.07 | Tem | oh right |
22:30.16 | Shouryuu | that's a scay place to drive |
22:30.17 | kremonte | Guillotine: anata wa totemo baka desu |
22:30.19 | Tem | I have some hillarious pictures of how people drive in that intersection |
22:30.23 | Shouryuu | lol |
22:30.27 | Tem | actually |
22:30.30 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
22:30.38 | Tem | well.. first |
22:30.43 | Guillotine | kremonte: and that is? |
22:30.45 | Shouryuu | honestly I wouldn't dare driving there |
22:30.50 | Shouryuu | I'd be frightened to death |
22:31.35 | pagefault | try driving in italy |
22:31.37 | pagefault | it's crazy |
22:31.40 | Shouryuu | lol |
22:31.43 | kremonte | Guillotine: you are very stupid |
22:31.45 | Shouryuu | yeah I heard so |
22:31.50 | Shouryuu | have an Italian friend |
22:31.55 | Shouryuu | told me some about it |
22:31.56 | pagefault | if you are crossing the street |
22:31.56 | Guillotine | kremonte: right back at ya buddy ;) |
22:31.58 | pagefault | don't expect cars to stop for you |
22:32.20 | kremonte | Guillotine: im paper ur glue watever u say bounses off of me n sticks @ u |
22:32.30 | kremonte | (unles its good :))))) ) |
22:32.39 | Tem | pagefault: god yes |
22:32.42 | Guillotine | nope. if I were glue, I wouldn't keep falling out of the channel |
22:32.45 | Tem | Italy is nuts too |
22:32.46 | Guillotine | so I'm obviously not glue |
22:33.03 | id`` | http://digigen.nl/~Industrial/gfx/wow/bastards/ |
22:33.23 | Shouryuu | wait |
22:33.28 | Shouryuu | you've never been to indonesia |
22:33.44 | Shouryuu | the goverment is usualy to poor to put red lights and shit |
22:33.55 | Shouryuu | now driving there is fucked up |
22:34.15 | Guillotine | id: whats wrong with that gm? |
22:34.38 | Guillotine | although I can see what you're saying about the guy that love nurfed... |
22:34.38 | id`` | nothing |
22:34.45 | id`` | the moeny selling bastards |
22:34.47 | id`` | are wrong |
22:34.51 | Guillotine | indeed |
22:35.04 | Guillotine | but why is the GM picture under the "bastards" subfolder? |
22:35.14 | Shouryuu | okkk there we go again |
22:35.14 | Shouryuu | my dl/ul rate droping to 0 |
22:35.27 | Shouryuu | pages freezing |
22:35.27 | Shouryuu | arggg |
22:35.33 | id`` | note the somewhat pretty unfinished UI :) |
22:36.05 | id`` | Guillotine: because you link 'bastards' to blizzard doesnt mean i do. |
22:36.11 | id`` | Guillotine: :>:> |
22:36.19 | Guillotine | so you |
22:36.24 | Guillotine | you're calling yourself a bastard? |
22:36.35 | Guillotine | b/c theres noone else in that screenshot ;) |
22:38.15 | id`` | *butt head on table* |
22:38.26 | id`` | no, the guy that got slain by the GM is a bastard |
22:39.45 | Guillotine | but nobody got slain by the Gm in http://digigen.nl/~Industrial/gfx/wow/bastards/WoWScrnShot_010806_232943.jpg |
22:39.52 | Guillotine | hes just saying goodbye |
22:40.07 | pagefault | yay |
22:40.09 | pagefault | new family guy |
22:40.33 | id`` | pagefault: ;O |
22:40.39 | id`` | i only have season 1 and 2 |
22:40.42 | id`` | and i deleted them |
22:40.42 | id`` | :| |
22:40.46 | pagefault | noooo |
22:40.52 | Guillotine | deleted them? as in you dled them? |
22:40.55 | Guillotine | naughty naughty |
22:41.02 | id`` | already seen them 20x tho |
22:41.17 | id`` | damn you dam the brocoli and damn the wright brothers! |
22:42.58 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Verlaine (n=Shouryuu@161.239.97-84.rev.gaoland.net) |
22:43.03 | Verlaine | wow |
22:43.06 | Verlaine | long live random disconects! |
22:43.45 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
22:43.46 | purl | All hail random disconnects! |
22:43.50 | Verlaine | lol |
22:46.40 | Verlaine | how can I traceroute without having to download 1001 apps? |
22:47.30 | Verlaine | man I feel so miserably stupid |
22:47.59 | Iriel | tracert www.yahoo.com |
22:48.27 | Guillotine | cmd prompt |
22:48.44 | Verlaine | internet and me do not mix |
22:48.57 | Guillotine | i guess not :P |
22:49.09 | Verlaine | most things don't mix with me |
22:49.25 | Guillotine | trolling and you mix quite well :D |
22:49.29 | Verlaine | lol |
22:49.31 | Verlaine | smartass |
22:49.38 | Guillotine | ty |
22:49.54 | Verlaine | hehe |
22:50.06 | Verlaine | oh and thanks Iriel, you are uber =P |
22:50.10 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
22:50.22 | Guillotine | only to Shouryuu |
22:50.24 | Guillotine | <3 |
22:50.44 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
22:50.56 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
22:50.57 | Guillotine | haha |
22:51.11 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
22:51.34 | Verlaine | lol |
22:51.49 | Verlaine | fine |
22:51.51 | Verlaine | pick on me |
22:51.56 | Verlaine | See if I care... |
22:52.08 | Verlaine | *ouch* |
22:52.10 | Verlaine | stopppp it |
22:52.12 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
22:52.33 | Verlaine | A lot of people must realllly like me then |
22:52.43 | Guillotine | haha |
22:53.31 | Verlaine | but I like being miserable :@ |
22:53.46 | Guillotine | hence why you play a troll |
22:53.50 | Guillotine | worst. racial abilities. ever. |
22:53.52 | Verlaine | yeah true dat |
22:54.34 | Guillotine | although the awesome dances kind of make up for it |
22:55.03 | Verlaine | awsome is a big word |
22:55.26 | Guillotine | especially in font size 72... |
22:55.52 | id`` | How does a night elf get to human/dwarf lands? |
22:55.56 | Verlaine | lol |
22:56.02 | Verlaine | boat |
22:56.07 | Verlaine | toooo |
22:56.09 | Verlaine | hummmm |
22:56.11 | Guillotine | take the boat from Auberdine to Menethil Harbor. |
22:56.11 | Verlaine | someplace |
22:56.15 | id`` | im in rut'theran village |
22:56.20 | id`` | waiting for boat |
22:56.29 | Guillotine | ok. that boat takes you to auberdine |
22:56.42 | futrtrubl | then take the other to menethil |
22:56.51 | futrtrubl | then pray |
22:57.02 | Guillotine | from there take the OTHER boat to menethil harbor. then run across the wetlands and through the mountany place (just follow the main road) |
22:57.26 | Guillotine | and remember to unequip all gear. you WILL die. many times |
22:57.35 | id`` | dhit the boat was there and i jumped iff |
22:57.37 | id`` | now its gone |
22:57.38 | id`` | :| |
22:57.47 | Guillotine | just take the gryphen. its free |
22:57.50 | id`` | o |
22:57.51 | id`` | k |
22:57.57 | Iriel | Whether you die depends on what level you are |
22:58.00 | Verlaine | ok am I disconected yet? |
22:58.05 | Guillotine | not yet |
22:58.07 | futrtrubl | not sure he'll have the auberdine fp yet |
22:58.07 | Guillotine | soon though |
22:58.09 | Iriel | You can survive 'usually' at 10/12 |
22:58.24 | Guillotine | I think you start with it futrtrubl |
22:58.30 | Guillotine | maybe not though... |
22:58.38 | Iriel | Night elves start with it yes |
22:58.49 | futrtrubl | I thought you get the fp tutorial mission once you get to auberdine |
22:59.10 | Iriel | Nope |
22:59.12 | Guillotine | no. I think thats in rut'theran |
22:59.16 | id`` | hah, i am good at surviving |
22:59.23 | id`` | i bet you will not get aggro ONCE |
22:59.27 | id`` | i will* |
22:59.29 | id`` | :) |
22:59.31 | Guillotine | haha. I bet you will |
22:59.38 | Iriel | the vendor girl in Rutheran gives you the start, then you talk to the flight master there and fly to auberdine |
22:59.39 | Guillotine | what level are you? |
22:59.41 | id`` | 7:< |
22:59.53 | Guillotine | you will be passing by lvl 25 alligators |
22:59.56 | Guillotine | many |
22:59.57 | futrtrubl | I bet you he doesn't get it once, I bet you he'll get it more than once |
22:59.58 | id`` | so? :) |
22:59.58 | Iriel | You'll get aggro then, unless lots of people are doing the crocolisk quests |
23:00.21 | Iriel | AND you're fantastically lucky with spiders |
23:00.22 | Guillotine | ahhh. futrtrubl is probably right. lol |
23:00.35 | Iriel | AND someone's doing the orc(?) quests in the mountain pass |
23:00.48 | Guillotine | those you can avoid |
23:00.55 | Guillotine | by just going on the far side of the road |
23:00.59 | Iriel | It depends if they're in the middle of the road or not |
23:01.03 | Guillotine | true |
23:02.01 | Tain | Why did the orc cross the road? |
23:02.14 | Verlaine | to proove he wasn't an orc? |
23:02.23 | Tain | No, he was handcuffed to the chicken |
23:02.24 | Guillotine | to kill id'' |
23:02.27 | Guillotine | oh |
23:02.30 | Guillotine | that works too |
23:02.32 | Verlaine | lo |
23:02.35 | Guillotine | except that chickens don't have hands |
23:02.43 | Verlaine | they do |
23:03.10 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
23:03.20 | Tain | mmm chicken fingers! |
23:03.21 | id`` | lo |
23:03.21 | id`` | l |
23:03.25 | Verlaine | true dat |
23:03.35 | Guillotine | ok. then where are the nuggets on a chicken? |
23:03.39 | futrtrubl | Cairenn, come by forums.edowner.net ;'] |
23:03.41 | Guillotine | and the wings on the buffalo? |
23:03.45 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
23:03.48 | Verlaine | nuggets don't come from chickens |
23:04.01 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
23:04.13 | Verlaine | how can you type that guy's name |
23:04.20 | Verlaine | futrtrubl |
23:04.22 | Verlaine | my god |
23:04.23 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
23:04.25 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
23:04.28 | Verlaine | lol |
23:04.30 | futrtrubl | you probably don't, it's my new forum/website (in construction) |
23:04.31 | Tain | I liked Tab Clear |
23:04.35 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
23:04.47 | Shouryuu | w00t |
23:05.03 | Shouryuu | welllllll |
23:05.07 | Shouryuu | time for me sleep |
23:05.08 | Guillotine | haha futrtrubl. that site is hilarious |
23:05.10 | Shouryuu | see yaws |
23:05.13 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
23:05.13 | Tem | Aha! |
23:05.16 | Tem | http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/4816/france0967mu.jpg |
23:05.21 | Guillotine | i love phrasty's comments |
23:05.29 | Tem | http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3017/france0943cw.jpg |
23:05.39 | Shouryu|Sleeping | oh l |
23:05.41 | futrtrubl | yeah, was over at his house when he posted them ;'] |
23:05.42 | Shouryu|Sleeping | 'etoile |
23:05.42 | Tem | http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3017/france0943cw.jpg |
23:05.54 | Tem | http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/4074/france0936pu.jpg |
23:06.01 | Tem | took me forever to find them |
23:06.02 | Guillotine | wow. that intersection is freakign scary |
23:06.04 | Shouryu|Sleeping | lol |
23:06.15 | Tem | http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=france0922rw.jpg |
23:06.30 | Tem | It's a big roundabout with no lanes |
23:06.37 | Shouryu|Sleeping | no lights |
23:06.39 | Tem | it's terrifying |
23:06.44 | Shouryu|Sleeping | yup |
23:07.01 | Shouryu|Sleeping | you basicly have to charge into the center |
23:07.02 | Tain | Look kids, Big Ben, Parliament |
23:07.16 | Shouryu|Sleeping | since priority is on the right hand side |
23:07.25 | Shouryu|Sleeping | pray people let you through and then pray to find a way out |
23:07.40 | Tem | hehe |
23:07.46 | Shouryu|Sleeping | haha do you guys have Smarts in the US? |
23:07.51 | Tem | oh and ignore the time on those pictures... |
23:08.05 | Tem | it's US time I didn't change the time on the camera |
23:08.16 | Tain | Depends who you ask, Shouryu. Most people don't seem to think we have any smarts in the US. |
23:08.17 | Tem | no we don't have those adorable little cars |
23:08.22 | Shouryu|Sleeping | lol |
23:08.30 | Tem | I, personally, wouldn't fit |
23:08.34 | Guillotine | haha |
23:09.38 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Shouryuu (n=Shouryuu@161.239.97-84.rev.gaoland.net) |
23:09.45 | Shouryuu | great |
23:10.52 | Shouryuu | arghh I hate my computer |
23:11.47 | Shouryuu | lol |
23:12.05 | Shouryuu | ahhh well nvm |
23:12.06 | Shouryuu | it's late |
23:12.08 | Shouryuu | see you |
23:16.58 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
23:17.44 | id`` | zzzz walking to loch modan |
23:17.55 | id`` | no aggro whatsoever |
23:17.58 | id`` | piece cake ;x |
23:18.42 | kremonte | laalalala |
23:19.18 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
23:19.29 | kremonte | what's restricted 80x80? o_O |
23:20.24 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
23:21.20 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Anduin|Poof (n=KarlKFI@ip70-187-188-195.oc.oc.cox.net) |
23:23.53 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
23:24.27 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
23:26.35 | futrtrubl | I can bump the avatar size up, I'm not low on space or anything |
23:27.30 | futrtrubl | what size would you like? |
23:27.47 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
23:28.14 | futrtrubl | well, I'm going to bump it up anyway since I agree it is too small |
23:28.18 | kremonte | Tem|TOTALANNIHIL: +ATION |
23:28.28 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
23:29.01 | id`` | IF here i am |
23:29.06 | id`` | =P |
23:29.13 | kremonte | id``: huh |
23:29.15 | futrtrubl | it's now set to 120x120 |
23:29.15 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
23:29.19 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
23:29.27 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
23:29.32 | id`` | kremonte: ? |
23:29.38 | futrtrubl | great minds.... ;'] |
23:29.39 | kremonte | id``: IF here i am |
23:29.58 | id`` | kremonte: yeah traveled from EF lands to dwarven lands |
23:30.02 | kremonte | futrtrubl has a site? gah i'm out of the loop |
23:30.05 | id`` | NE* |
23:30.07 | kremonte | oh NE lands |
23:30.08 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
23:30.11 | futrtrubl | now to extract default unit portraits from wow... |
23:30.11 | kremonte | yea that was a fun trip on my druid |
23:30.22 | kremonte | bear form > mobs 14 levels higher than i |
23:30.28 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
23:30.35 | futrtrubl | Cairenn, stop reading my mind, it's not polite! |
23:30.35 | kremonte | the ones on the WoW site i think? |
23:30.59 | futrtrubl | human male/female, orc male/female etc |
23:31.05 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
23:31.08 | futrtrubl | exactly kremonte |
23:31.18 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
23:31.27 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
23:31.46 | futrtrubl | cool, I can steal them? |
23:31.50 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
23:31.58 | futrtrubl | thanks Cairenn |
23:32.02 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
23:32.06 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
23:32.09 | futrtrubl | of course |
23:32.14 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
23:32.28 | futrtrubl | bite |
23:32.46 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
23:32.50 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
23:32.56 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
23:33.18 | futrtrubl | damn, I can't just grab your avatars directory |
23:33.23 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
23:33.31 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
23:33.50 | futrtrubl | Cairenn, you don't need to be this helpful you know ;'] |
23:34.09 | futrtrubl | ;'] |
23:34.23 | End | oh |
23:34.24 | End | doh |
23:34.29 | futrtrubl | and hell has frozen over |
23:34.30 | End | stupid me can't program C |
23:35.13 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
23:35.52 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
23:37.09 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
23:37.20 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
23:37.45 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
23:38.20 | Tain | I got my old EQ image! I found it! |
23:38.21 | Tain | http://www.crushingdreams.com/images/tain.png |
23:38.27 | futrtrubl | oops, was replying on my forum.... author@beb.edowner.net |
23:38.31 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
23:38.46 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
23:39.04 | futrtrubl | thanks alot for this cair |
23:39.26 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
23:39.27 | Guillotine | haha tain |
23:39.59 | futrtrubl | I'm going to try learn this php stuff and make the forum look like WoW frames.... maybe |
23:40.51 | id`` | php is easy |
23:40.54 | Maldivia | Anyone remember where slouken posted the UnitDebuff changes - with the new filter paramter ? |
23:41.07 | cladhaire | hold on a sec |
23:41.09 | cladhaire | i'll get em to ya |
23:41.31 | id`` | im bwuffing my fweef |
23:41.49 | cladhaire | buffTexture, buffApplications = UnitBuff(unitName, buffIndex, castable); |
23:41.59 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
23:42.00 | cladhaire | debuffTexture, debuffApplications = UnitDebuff(unitName, debuffIndex, dispellable) |
23:42.19 | Maldivia | I'm looking for the actual post - not the syntax :) |
23:42.35 | cladhaire | i missed the post, but i love the new filters.. so i've played with them a ton =) |
23:42.50 | Maldivia | UnitBuff doesn't seem to work with the filter.. |
23:43.23 | cladhaire | really? |
23:43.35 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
23:43.51 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
23:43.58 | Maldivia | cladhaire: as a mage, tried casting AI on myself... and then testing: UnitBuff("player", 1, "1") returns nil |
23:44.22 | cladhaire | i'm getting the same. |
23:44.23 | cladhaire | odd. |
23:44.27 | cladhaire | for MoTW |
23:44.46 | cladhaire | oh wait. |
23:44.48 | cladhaire | hold on a second. |
23:45.25 | Maldivia | found this line: Blizzard_RaidUI.lua: debuff = UnitBuff(unit, i, SHOW_CASTABLE_BUFFS); |
23:45.42 | futrtrubl | checking those out cair |
23:46.11 | Maldivia | and as a mage, I consider AI to be a Castable buff :) |
23:46.21 | cladhaire | yes, but is that option set in your UI? |
23:47.00 | cladhaire | its working in reverse from what I can tell. |
23:47.05 | cladhaire | which is probably bad =) |
23:47.27 | cladhaire | i'd need to get on my priest to debuff myself. |
23:47.38 | Maldivia | debuffs works - from what I can tell |
23:48.05 | cladhaire | The UI sets SHOW_CASTABLE_BUFFS to 0 and 1, as expected (off, and on) by the UI |
23:48.23 | Maldivia | well, seems it sets it to "0" or "1" |
23:48.23 | cladhaire | err |
23:48.26 | cladhaire | yes |
23:48.43 | cladhaire | iw as juct checking to see if it did it backwards for some odd reason, but it doesn't appear to |
23:50.36 | Maldivia | For Recently Bandaged (my favorite test debuff :) - UnitDebuff("player", 1, "0") return it, and UnitDebuff("player", 1, "1") returns nil |
23:50.56 | Maldivia | as a mage - just checked with a curse - and UnitDebuff returned it in both situations |
23:51.03 | cladhaire | k |
23:51.14 | cladhaire | well i can confirm that there appears to be an issues with the third argument of UnitBuf |
23:52.10 | Maldivia | I can see it's being used in the Blizzard UI code - so must be a bug |
23:52.38 | cladhaire | I would tend to agree =) |
23:53.39 | cladhaire | i dont think he ever posted, or at least i never saw it. |
23:53.43 | Maldivia | Tooltip:SetUnitBuff(unit, index, filter) -- has the same problem, from a quick test |
23:53.48 | cladhaire | Iriel saw the changes in his analysis |
23:54.10 | cladhaire | ooh.. whats it do? |
23:54.44 | Flisher_Coding | Phase 1 is to allow everyone to be aware of important cooldown in your raid, and special spell like blessing of king/inervate availability |
23:55.17 | cladhaire | fun |
23:55.19 | Flisher_Coding | Cairenn: Yeah! but RaidAwareness was too present in my mind to work on CV. Altho the local CV is a little bit more updated than the released one :) |
23:55.35 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
23:55.41 | cladhaire | =( |
23:55.44 | Flisher_Coding | 1 thing, should we get rid of the normal bag view, being replaced by a list or something else? |
23:56.19 | Flisher_Coding | Changing the bag coding can be nice, but alot of people complain CV bank/inventory take too much space |
23:56.44 | End | I like the way it looks...but it does take an awful lot of space >_< |
23:56.56 | End | I can't say whether I would want it changed or not |
23:58.20 | Flisher_Coding | Maybe I could scale down the bagsize. |
23:58.27 | Maldivia | wish there was a sticky blizzard UI / API bug thread, to post in |
23:58.44 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
23:59.54 | Flisher_Coding | I think it'll make it, I have to rewrite the whole bag thing, will probably take a look to the new BankItems code since I was based on their code in the past |