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01:40.20bnceoanyone around?
01:40.44bnceoKinda curious as to what a 2.1.0 Pre minus users can install for the advanced frameworks
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01:49.56summatusmentisgovnah has exhibition mode, that's so cool
01:51.07bnceoya ya
01:51.10bnceokinda neat
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01:57.44NuttyBunnybnceo: Were you able to install 2.1?
01:57.51bnceoyes
01:57.59bnceojust patching it up right now
01:58.36NuttyBunnyGreat! Go for sconix advanced patches :)
01:58.49bnceothe question is: which ones?
01:59.02bnceoas a sprint pre minus 2.1 users, no idea which one to choose
01:59.24bnceolegacy, vzw, regular one. kinda confused by it
01:59.31NuttyBunnyah..
01:59.38NuttyBunnyyou would get the legacy one
01:59.44NuttyBunnyPre Minus, right?
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02:01.08bnceoyes
02:01.11bnceo2.1 pre minus
02:02.55NuttyBunnyYep, the legacy one is the right one. vzw is for verizon pre 2, and regular is for the unlocked Pre 2
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02:05.58bnceohmm. I get an error installing
02:06.38NuttyBunnysome timeout error?
02:06.47summatusmentisI couldn't get the legacy one to install either
02:06.58bnceofails on the Postinst
02:07.00summatusmentisI think there were 2 hunk failures when I installed it
02:07.20rwhitbyremove all other patches first
02:07.37bnceook. will do
02:07.44bnceois there a remove all patches app?
02:07.57rwhitbyEPR
02:08.16bnceoemergency patch recovery I imagine
02:08.37NuttyBunnythat one
02:10.17bnceorebooting
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02:15.40bnceostill failed
02:15.44bnceocleaned of patches
02:16.05bnceowho do I send the IPK error email to?
02:16.45NuttyBunnysconix maybe? have you uninstalled every patch??
02:17.45rwhitbypost it in the forum thread
02:18.13bnceoI ran the EPR
02:18.49bnceoI have uber kernal, and a few apps as well
02:18.59bnceoalso got the GNU Patch and Lsdiff patch
02:19.04bnceoshould I uninstall those manually?
02:19.22rwhitbythose are linux apps, not patches
02:20.32bnceoexactly. those are the other things installed
02:20.38bnceolooking for sconix's thread now
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02:26.03bnceook. I posted. hope I get an answer =\
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02:46.38NuttyBunnyWho has an unlocked Pre 2 (US, GSM), and can give me some info on it? :)
02:50.39bnceome
02:50.47bnceowhatchu need?
02:51.04NuttyBunnyI needed the "dmsets" value, but I've already got them, thanks
02:51.10bnceodoh!
02:51.13bnceoI suck at speed =\
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02:52.19NuttyBunnyhehehe.. np :)
02:52.37NuttyBunnywhich carrier did you activate it with?
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02:56.16bnceohmm, no acarrier
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02:56.27bnceowell, I activated it with a friend's AT&T sim card
02:56.35bnceobut after I went through first use app, I took out the sim
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02:59.10NuttyBunnyAh, nice :D
02:59.47bnceoI go to Peru for vacation this year. I will use it for the time I'm there
02:59.56bnceothen leave it as a bday gift for my cousin
03:00.19bnceoI use Sprint as my carrier. no need really for a GSM Pre2. especially when I got a veer and Pre3 coming
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03:05.28oc80zbnceo good luck
03:06.01oc80zno service w/ sprint.
03:06.10oc80zbut my nextel worked when i was there ;]
03:06.24bnceono no. my pre2 is GSM unlocked
03:06.32oc80zlucky
03:06.37oc80zfrom hp.com?
03:06.44bnceodev day 2010
03:07.07bnceoon my last day, I will give to my cousin as he uses the AT&T equivilent in Peru for GSM
03:08.46bnceoand since I activated here in the states, he will have full access to the catalog pretty much
03:11.13rwhitbybnceo: that's if sprint get the veer or pre3 ...
03:11.29bnceowell, Imma get the veer on GSM anyways.
03:11.37bnceoand the pre3 is what I'm praying comes to sprint
03:11.46SineOtone of them is getting the Pre3, that much is for certain
03:11.48bnceoveer will be my 2nd phone pretty much
03:11.57SineOtif it's Verizon or Sprint is still a question though
03:12.10bnceoverizon is the only one I think who has a world phone out
03:12.17bnceomaybe Sprint would like to have one? I hope
03:12.55rwhitbySineOt: why is that much certain?
03:13.15SineOtgiven how few world carriers there are that do CDMA r.A?
03:13.15bnceoI think he means because of the CDMA board
03:13.26rwhitbycould be china telecom
03:13.54bnceoya ya. could be
03:14.13bnceowould suck, especially given they announced the pre3 in the states. Lol
03:14.26SineOtit could be, but why do a CDMA device in China and then not bring it to the States as well, when you could cut a lot of costs and just do GSM in china?
03:14.38rwhitbyverizon and sprint might both reject it
03:15.07bnceoyup. they might say, go suck it
03:15.16bnceoand then it's only hspa
03:16.11bnceoseeing the advertising for the EVO last year by sprint, I wonder how much they will push the EVO 3D. because that is so far their flagship phone
03:16.24SineOtI think the only carrier that would really reject/never want it would be Sprint
03:16.34SineOtand that's because they're on a "weird Android handset" binge
03:16.44bnceoI want any carrier who puts muscle behind the advertising.
03:17.10bnceounless HP pulls an Apple and does the advertising themselves. which is very rare in the wireless business
03:17.27SineOtHTC does it!
03:17.42bnceoHTC doesn't do it at the level you think they do
03:17.42SineOtbut I think they can get away with it because every carrier has an HTC handset in one way or another
03:17.59bnceobelieve me. I worked in advertising and on the vzw account. I monitored apple and AT&T spending dollars
03:18.00SineOtit's not Apple level, no, but I still see the ads on TV
03:18.13bnceoyou see them on cable and they are cheap. cable spots are very very cheap
03:18.17SineOtwhich is more than Motorola, LG, or any of the others
03:18.35bnceooh ya. those guys do print advertising really
03:20.08bnceothe tv advertising by apple was just monsterious.
03:20.29bnceototally out of this world. both in dollars and GRPs. nothing even came close.
03:20.55SineOtwell yeah
03:21.09SineOtApple has something like 38 billion in liquid, debt free cash just sitting around right now
03:21.19SineOtthey could do whatever the fuck they wanted and still have a ton left over
03:21.22bnceoI belive the only thing that came close was the samsung instinct ads
03:21.28bnceowell, that and the droid ads
03:22.07bnceook. a few more patches and restarts and I can go to bed happy
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03:43.23PatrickC_Pre2anyone on 2.1 on sprint in here now?
03:44.33abegeeI have a sprint pre on 2.1 no service just wifi
03:45.02PatrickC_Pre2well, someone with service would be preferred :)
03:45.21PatrickC_Pre2I keep losing data, and it takes like 3 steps to get it back
03:45.24PatrickC_Pre2thanks though :)
03:45.42abegeewhat type of data?
03:46.05PatrickC_Pre23G
03:46.12PatrickC_Pre2or 1X
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04:27.00PatrickC_Pre2any sprint 2.1 users on?
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04:45.12PatrickC_Pre2night all
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05:33.55aeonorisWebOSQuickInstall says that no device is connected when I open it.  My Palm Pre is plugged into the computer via USB, and it's on "Just charge".  Anybody know how to get it to recognize the Pre?
05:34.31halfhalois devmode enabled?
05:36.01aeonorisYes.
05:36.24aeonorisI also have Java 6.
05:37.36aeonorisI also have an old version of WebOSQuickInstall that doesn't say that when I start it up, but it still says "No device found" when I try to install anything.
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05:49.57sash_Morning everyone. I'm quite surprised that obviously, pre+ is not able to connect to a peap-mschapv2-corporate network. I wonder if there is any patch or network-program in webos-internals that could help me. radius-server btw tells me that the login would be correct, but the phone doesn't connect. a second thing is that both terminal programs "terminal" and "terminus" don't start. :(
06:07.30rwhitbysash_: a working terminal for 2.x is a never-ending problem.  Try SDLTerminal (not in Preware) for the latest attempt.
06:08.03sash_Ok, thanks.
06:08.50sash_But... Am I right that I need the Advanced System Prefs Framework LEGACY for my pre+?
06:13.57rwhitbywhat does the wiki say?
06:15.07sash_Legacy is needed for legacy devices, the other one is needed for Pre2 and recent/current scripts for meta-doctored devices running a WR  of webOS 2.1
06:18.53sash_It's right. I need legacy. The other one isn't installable btw.
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13:23.44FiaxhsHello o/
13:23.53FiaxhsI tough I could find some help here ?
13:24.01ice8luehi
13:24.20ice8luewhat kind of help?
13:24.33FiaxhsI got a palm pre 2, SFR, running 2.1.0 fine until this morning
13:24.53FiaxhsI rebooted it, and get stuck on HP logo
13:25.09Fiaxhsran webos doctor 2-3 times, unsuccessfully
13:25.18Fiaxhsit "crashes" at 12%
13:25.29Fiaxhsor get stuck at 12%
13:25.59Fiaxhswhen stuck at 12%, a top command on my pre show dosfsck using 99% cpu
13:26.29FiaxhsSo i tried to kill the process, and webos doctor runs trough 100% fine
13:26.40Fiaxhsbut when my pre reboot... HP logo again :)
13:27.58ice8luehmm
13:28.23ice8luei think arround 9% the webos install imgae is transfered to the phone
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13:28.43ice8lueafterwards there's a check of the system partitions
13:28.51ice8luehttp://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/How_To_Recover maybe could help
13:29.04ice8lueyou could try the "stuck at 8%"-solution
13:29.26Fiaxhscool, didn't see this one :) will try, thanks
13:29.36ice8luehope it helps^^
13:29.49nebulaFiaxhs: do you run this with the debug console open?
13:29.55nebulato see where it fails?
13:29.59nebulaie. java debug
13:30.21Fiaxhsnebula: nope
13:30.25nebulado that :)
13:30.34FiaxhsOk, I'll check this too :)
13:30.37Fiaxhsthanks !
13:30.43nebulait'll show you more about where it fails
13:30.48ice8lueif you are running from linux
13:30.56Fiaxhsosx ;)
13:31.01nebulaor you can just run the java command
13:31.03ice8lueuse java -jre doctor.jar to se what it's doing
13:31.08nebulayeah
13:31.11Fiaxhscool , thank
13:31.18nebulaice8lue: pwned.
13:31.23Fiaxhshuhu
13:31.30ice8luenebula: huh?^^
13:31.31nebulahehe
13:31.40nebulayou knew the command :)
13:31.44ice8lue;)
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13:42.42FiaxhsOk, so this is what i get when running with debug console
13:42.44Fiaxhshttp://pastebin.com/MzsSAtAn
13:56.04Fiaxhsyay, seems the 8% stuck trick is working :)
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14:05.28FiaxhsThank you so much ice8lue and nebula :)
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14:34.11cwayneis WebAppMgr the main system ui process?
14:37.55nebulawtf... visual studio unhandled execeptions don't report errors to the system log?
14:38.25nebulas/studio/c++
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14:41.11SirWillSo If anyone is around, and anyone has any ideas....  I installed 2.1.0 on my sprint pre- Everything is working great for the most part.  But my google contacts won't sync, they won't pull down from gmail.  :(  I removed and re-added the account, still won't pull.  Any ideas on how to get these contacts on my phone?
14:45.13scoinvPrecheck PreCentral about how to export and then import contact. Lame but it's a start. :/
14:46.35SirWillI thought that method involved doing it with google contacts which was the problem, I'll look again.
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14:50.02SirWillApparently the 3rd time was the charm.   Removed google contacts account added it for a 3rd time, and then the contacts finally came over.   Have a great day everyone
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15:13.35projectalarumAnyone else having any problems with submitting updates to the portal right now?
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15:30.23bubby323hey i have a sprint palm pre i got off ebay it powers on but wont connect to the sprint network but i can verify a good esn with sprint cs
15:30.25bubby323any ideas?
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15:35.06cwayneanyone know anything about WebAppMgr?
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17:41.31facelessloserhi all
17:41.43facelessloseranyone still rocking the palm pre minus
17:46.19NuttyBunnymany of us :)
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18:10.12facelessloserim looking into geting a palm pre minus coz i really want to get into webos
18:10.22facelessloserdo you think its worth getting
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18:13.18NuttyBunnyIf you can get a Plus, it would be the best, the minus can lag sometimes because it has only 256Mb of RAM
18:13.38facelessloseroh i see
18:13.42facelessloserwas kinda thinking that
18:13.57oilsworknor a 2
18:14.06facelessloserwhat would you say about battery life coz of the 1150mAH battery
18:14.21facelesslosera 2 would be sweet
18:14.46oilsworknthe batt in my main phone (- on sprint) lasts me all daty
18:14.59facelessloserwith heavy use?
18:15.03oilsworknno
18:15.23facelessloseri only really use my phone for tweets and abit of rss
18:15.29NuttyBunnyA 2 would be the best of them all :)
18:15.37facelessloserdont make phone calls and only text alittle
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18:15.55facelessloseri really want a cheap way to try out webos really
18:16.11facelessloseranyone got 2.1 on there pre minus
18:16.40oilsworknim sure lots of people do
18:16.47facelessloserdo you
18:16.56oilsworkn145
18:18.12facelessloserdo many apps need 2.1 at the mo
18:18.24oilsworknall the new stuff is 2.x
18:18.30oilsworknexhibition/just type/etc
18:19.01facelessloseryeha
18:19.20facelessloserive been looking into flashing the 2.1 on a pre minus
18:20.43facelessloserive got a htc g1 ATM
18:22.39summatusmentisis it a known issue that Terminal/terminus does not work on 2.1 on the pre-?
18:22.58facelessloserreally
18:23.03facelessloserdo that matter much
18:23.07summatusmentisI can't get it to work
18:23.08oilsworknthought one of them did
18:23.16oilsworknor someone recently fixed one of them
18:23.21oilsworkn(i think terminus)
18:23.38summatusmentisoilsworkn: Terminal just sits as a black screen, Terminus sits at a black screen with a grey cursor box in the corner
18:23.44oilsworknyeah
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18:23.55oilsworkni think its a jail issue for terminus, and some plugin inssue for terminal
18:23.59summatusmentisbut there's no keyboard input at all
18:24.09oilsworkni think on the pc forums someone fixed terminus
18:24.10summatusmentisis there a way to fix?
18:24.12summatusmentisoh
18:24.21oilsworkn(i could be wrong though, never use them myself)
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18:26.38facelessloserim off laterz guys thanks for the help
18:27.05summatusmentisok, pc suggests that it's the version that has the jail fix did it incorrectly
18:27.19oilsworknlol
18:27.50summatusmentisthere's an extra line apparently, that breaks it
18:30.32NuttyBunnyjust use xterm :P
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18:42.07summatusmentisxterm is super slow
18:42.07summatusmentisI tried
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18:47.39PatrickC_Pre1summatusmentis: what's wrong?
18:55.01summatusmentisPatrickC_Pre1: what do you mean?
18:55.33PatrickC_Pre1you said something about xterm being slow and already trying it
18:55.37PatrickC_Pre1or something like that
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18:57.56summatusmentisoh, yes, I did
18:58.11summatusmentisI'm looking for a functioning terminal app on 2.1 on my pre-
18:58.23PatrickC_Pre1xterm is a good one, I use it a lot
18:58.29PatrickC_Pre1its not that slow for me
19:00.41summatusmentisit was really laggy
19:01.00PatrickC_Pre1are you OCing?
19:01.06summatusmentisyeah, 1GHZ
19:02.00summatusmentisalso, there are no tab/etc. keys
19:02.13summatusmentiswhich Terminal used to have
19:02.49PatrickC_Pre1tab complete? yea there is
19:03.23PatrickC_Pre1I forget what combo it is, but its there.. I believe
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19:15.19NuttyBunnycrtl-I is tab complete
19:15.26NuttyBunny(gesture-I)
19:21.15PatrickC_Pre1thanks nuttybunny
19:21.28PatrickC_Pre1oh, and the pre2 finally got all the names :)
19:21.44NuttyBunnyReally? Great!! :D
19:21.52PatrickC_Pre1I know!!
19:21.54PatrickC_Pre1its awesome
19:22.03PatrickC_Pre1now, I just need to get the pre- to work...
19:22.37NuttyBunnyhehehe... so, we could say, for the time being, that the two files I sent you work as expected?
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19:25.02PatrickC_Pre1yes
19:25.19PatrickC_Pre1hmm... tornado warnings about every 10-15 min...
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19:30.46halfhalopsh, tornados
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19:33.56PatrickC_Pre1lol
19:42.10wgreenhousehmm.  I want to leave Google Calendar because it keeps screwing up. :(  will a webOS phone be able to sync with a Linux CalDav server (e.g. radicale), or only an MS Exchange one?
19:45.12oilit can sync to anything you program it to sync to!
19:45.14oilyay
19:45.16oilhaha
19:45.32wgreenhouseoil: so no out of box support for generic caldav, then?
19:45.40oilnot as far as i know
19:45.44wgreenhousepoopy.
19:45.55wgreenhouseand no patch to add more calendar server sources either?
19:46.52oilidk
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19:49.15wgreenhousehmm.  seems not, so far
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19:49.44wgreenhouseall I found was the silly kludge of subscribing to a caldav calendar through google calendar :/
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19:49.59wgreenhousebut since it's google calendar that's been screwing things up, do not want
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19:53.01oilwgreenhouse: gotta stick with my original suggestion of creating your own synergy link for your preferred calendar system :)
19:54.28wgreenhouseoil: okay, pay for me to take some JS classes and I'll get right on it. :)
19:54.51oilhas no need for caldav :)
19:55.01wgreenhousewhat do you use?
19:55.04oili dont
19:55.08wgreenhousek
19:55.09oilnever had a need for a calendar
19:55.28wgreenhouseoil: do you just arrive places whenever you feel like, or do you have a super memory?
19:55.37wgreenhouseor are you more of a todo list person?
19:55.57oilguess im just not very important
19:56.02oilnot many things to do
19:56.08oili go to work, i go home
19:56.13oilno need for a calendar to keep track xD
19:56.41wgreenhousefair enough
19:56.44oillol
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19:57.00wgreenhouseI'm considering giving up on webos calendar entirely, because google does some insane things to the data
19:57.11wgreenhousemakes me feel like I might be better off keeping track of it some other way
19:57.15oiland my sister keeps track of family birthdays/anniversaries/etc and reminds me :)
19:57.24wgreenhouseah, human calendar lol
19:57.27oillol
19:57.33wgreenhousethat's the thing--very important people don't have calendars either
19:57.37oili would miss every birthday if it werent for her haha
19:57.38wgreenhousethey have assistants instead
19:57.46wgreenhouseit's everybody stuck in the middle who has to be "organized"
19:59.02oilwhat kind of things you got on your calendar?
20:00.00wgreenhousemostly class assignments, appointments, job application deadlines
20:01.06oilah
20:03.48wgreenhouseso it's no good if the calendar sync gives me more of a headache than it absolutely has to
20:04.02wgreenhousemeh, maybe I'll just go back to paper
20:04.16oilor notes app!
20:04.43wgreenhouseyeah, I have ClassicNote which is pretty sweet
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20:06.10PatrickC_Pre1or hercalendar :p
20:06.11oilbbl
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20:07.38wgreenhousePatrickC_Pre1: what's hercalendar?
20:07.55PatrickC_Pre1look it up in the app cat lol
20:08.05PatrickC_Pre1its a thomaschaaf original :p
20:10.18wgreenhouselol, nobody needs this :)
20:10.27wgreenhouseI don't, and the people who would...don't
20:10.28PatrickC_Pre1hehe
20:10.38wgreenhouseI think biology provides all the "notification" needed
20:10.43PatrickC_Pre1lol
20:11.14PatrickC_Pre1how's the next blog post comin?
20:13.25cwaynewgreenhouse: good to have advance notice though
20:16.14NuttyBunnydigs herrrrrrrr calendar lol
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20:47.56NuttyBunny~seen PuffTheMagic
20:48.03infobotpuffthemagic <~PuffTheMa@unaffiliated/puffthemagic> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 5d 16h 27m 44s ago, saying: 'RagingMind, what are you saying about novatool?'.
20:49.55PatrickC_Pre1~seen NuttyBunny
20:49.56infobotnuttybunny is currently on #webos-internals (2h 26m 4s). Has said a total of 6 messages. Is idling for 2m, last said: '~seen PuffTheMagic'.
20:50.14NuttyBunny~seen PatrickC_Pre1
20:50.14infobotpatrickc_pre1 is currently on #webos-internals (7m 43s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 19s, last said: '~seen NuttyBunny'.
20:50.32cwaynelol
20:50.33PatrickC_Pre1~slap NuttyBunny
20:50.34infobotACTION slaps NuttyBunny, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!
20:50.40PatrickC_Pre1hehe
20:50.43NuttyBunnyhahahaha
20:51.36PatrickC_Pre1come on Hulu, you can contact me now...
20:51.57halfhaloyou seriously think hulu is going to give you anything?
20:52.40cwaynesome kid i know just got a job at hulu actually
20:53.16PatrickC_Pre1maybe...
20:53.53PatrickC_Pre1how old?
20:57.09PatrickC_Pre1halfhalo: the worst that happens is they say no
20:59.52cwaynewhoah
20:59.52halfhaloactually, the worst they could do is say no then make some frivilous lawsuit against you
21:00.02cwaynehalfhalo: not if he hasn't started doing anything yet
21:00.45halfhalono, they could still file
21:01.06halfhalodoesn't mean the lawsuit would hold any water, but they can still file
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21:01.48NuttyBunny~version
21:01.48infobotrumour has it, version is for the kernel "uname -r", for your distro "cat /etc/*-release" or "lsb_release -d". For other applications, try running it with a --version command.
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21:01.54wgreenhouseor, if you're Twitter, you tell all your developers to go shove it, and then deny you ever said that
21:02.04NuttyBunny~infobot
21:02.04infobotrumour has it, infobot is in need of training, can someone train me?
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21:03.05wenweihi
21:03.51NuttyBunnyinstalls version 3.0.7 of "The Beast" ;)
21:04.55cwaynetotally read that as "The Breast"
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21:05.37PatrickC_Pre1wow... infobot and chanserv got net split'd
21:06.11NuttyBunnyprefers version 34C of "The Breast" ;)
21:07.31cwayneluls
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21:13.37Mercurygrumbles at the Classic people, there's no way to buy a license key anymore!
21:21.38NuttyBunnyMercury: That's when people start considering software as abandonware and begins "sharing" it :S
21:22.16PatrickC_Pre1lol
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21:32.26eliaspdoes anyone know, whether there's a GroupDAV Synergy plugin available/developed somewhere? otherwise it looks like I'll have to start developing one on my own :(
21:32.28MercuryNuttyBunny: I get wary when I encounter two people 'sharing' the same version of it...  With different file sizes and checksums.
21:33.51NuttyBunnyMercury: Yes, you don't know what kind of monster you'll find :S   http://hothardware.com/News/Shame-on-You-Pirated-Android-App-Really-Shameware/
21:37.53MercuryNuttyBunny: Quite.
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22:03.53R_EDoes anyone know what the process "WebAppMg" does in webos 2.0?
22:07.21NuttyBunnyNo, but if you kill it Luna goes with it :)
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22:15.33R_Ethat is true. ive had problems with it and excessive cpu usage. does it take up the vast majority of your cpu time, or is that just me?
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22:21.21NuttyBunnysame here :(
22:22.22R_Eok at least i nkow its not just me
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22:38.42NuttyBunnyHey! the traitor has arrived! ;)  The one that got an iPhone 4 to stop working on the kernels ;)
22:38.45NuttyBunnyhehehe
22:38.50NuttyBunnyHi Psycho!
22:40.04uNiXpSyChOyodel
22:40.20uNiXpSyChOLOL
22:40.37uNiXpSyChOgot everyone'd feathers ruffled over that tweet ;-)
22:41.42Loudergoodwebos fans are a little too sensitive
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22:45.12PatrickC_Ubuntuhay sineot
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23:11.26Popple3Quick question: Pre 2, can't scan for WiFi networks, still can't scan after a stock 2.1 Doctor = hardware problem, yeah?
23:11.43Popple3(I'm guessing here would probably be the best place to ask, sorry if it's not)
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23:13.54PatrickC_Ubuntupopple3: that sounds weird...
23:14.18uNiXpSyChOpull the battery, let it cool down, try again.
23:14.39Popple3uNiXpSyChO: Done that a few times, no luck :(
23:15.22uNiXpSyChOi would say look at the kernel logs but it may be a bad wifi.  better to just take it in to get a new one.
23:16.03Popple3sadly, "take it in" means sending it back from Ireland to the US :(
23:16.50uNiXpSyChOouch!
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23:17.04Popple3uNiXpSyChO: I was looking through /var/log/messages but can't see anything useful
23:17.19uNiXpSyChOlook at the kernel logs... or run dmesg
23:17.43Popple3where are the kernel logs exactly? (Sorry, I'm new :P )
23:18.02uNiXpSyChOin /var/log
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23:42.24Popple3there was nothing of use (that I could see anyway) Palm support are treating it as a hardware issue now anyway
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23:47.30Popple3ok, bad side: I have to get a repair/replacement, good side: means I can activate the new one on a supported network and finally get App Catalog :D
23:49.05Popple3I wonder could I send it through work... We have our own little HP IT support office :P
23:49.25SineOtS'worth a shot.
23:50.23Popple3I highly doubt it. That and I'm a newbie that doesn't know anyone there. I'd feel really cheeky asking :P
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