IRC log for #ubuntu-utah on 20071118

00:02.02Zelutcripes. I'm in the middle of a project and the meeting is soon.
00:04.24clutchmmthe meeting is at 6 right?
00:05.36Zelutyes
00:07.48clutchmmcrap, I had to fix the brakes on my car, and I don't have time to shower before I will have to leave
00:08.43Zelutpick up some axe body spray and call it good ;)
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00:48.11Gatehahahahaha
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01:38.21TechnoVikingevening
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01:42.47clutchmmanyone home?
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01:58.47Gateclutchmm: I am.
02:02.02HeartsbaneHello
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02:02.09thenetducksweet
02:02.12thenetduckyou can see
02:02.14thenetduckwhat i say
02:04.00Gatehi thenetduck :)
02:04.16HeartsbaneGate are you listening to the meeting?
02:04.21thenetduckGate: why hello
02:04.23Gatenope
02:04.31GateI am off to a play in 15 minutes
02:04.35Gatebut I will listen 'till I leave...
02:04.47Heartsbanehttp://stream.utosf.org/
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02:04.56HeartsbaneHello clutchmm
02:05.11clutchmmnow it's working
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02:05.52nearn_is the meeting still going?
02:05.53Heartsbaneclutchmm: I should show you irssi after all the presentations
02:05.56Heartsbaneyes
02:06.06Heartsbanenearn_: you can listen http://stream.utosf.org/
02:06.11Zelutnearn_: just started, yes.
02:06.26nearn_ugh i can not fined the building.
02:06.33*** topic/#ubuntu-utah by Zelut -> Ubuntu Utah Team | Listen Live to the current meeting at http://stream.utosf.org/ !
02:06.40Zelutnearn_: where are you?  I had trouble too.
02:06.41Heartsbanewhere are you ? I will come get you?
02:07.03Heartsbaneare you in the Warnick Building
02:07.08nearn_in front of the engineering building.
02:07.13Heartsbanek
02:07.20Zelutnearn_: ok, walk a bit north and go down the stairs to the west..
02:07.21Heartsbanethe building north of you
02:07.28HeartsbaneI will meet you half way
02:07.59nearn_ok thank you.
02:08.06GateOK, I am listening. HI HERLO!
02:08.26Zelutis it *just* streaming or recorded too?
02:09.20GateI am 90% sure it is recorded, so I will listen to it later while studying
02:09.47Gaterule #1 of teaching, presentations break.
02:10.00Gateok, maybe thats 3 or 4, but still
02:11.38Heartsbanewhat did I miss
02:11.50ZelutHeartsbane: updatedb..
02:12.50Heartsbaneoh
02:12.51Heartsbanek
02:14.19mheathwish I was there..
02:14.43Gateactually, I do as well, but I am not driving 8 hrs on every saturday.
02:14.58Zelutmheath: well you can listen.. http://stream.utosf.org/
02:15.06GateGeek paintball would have been soooo much fun :(
02:15.58*** topic/#ubuntu-utah by Zelut -> Ubuntu Utah Team | Listen Live to the current presentation at http://stream.utosf.org | Presentation slides available here: http://tinyurl.com/2aecal
02:16.47mheathZelut: I am :P
02:17.08Gateoooooh, Hi Omar :)
02:18.25Gatesigh. and I am off, TTFN
02:21.13mheathWho is speaking at the moment?
02:23.28clutchmmmheath: herlo is
02:23.39mheathAh, thats what I thought.
02:28.21HeartsbaneGate: I don't think Omar believes in IRC
02:28.40ZelutI guess not
02:29.50HeartsbaneI think we should take the time to educate everyone about the mailing list, website, and forums in that order
02:30.01Heartsbanejust my $0.02
02:31.06ZelutHeartsbane: that's 0.04c from you today.
02:31.52ZelutHeartsbane: that is a good idea.  We can spend a few minutes on that after if it'd be helpful.
02:33.34Zelutherlo: are your slides available to the public as well?
02:34.28thenetduckwhere is the Ubunt Utah webpage located now?
02:36.40Zelutthenetduck: http://utah.ubuntu-us.org - but its probably pretty slim right now
02:43.37thenetduckis the deskbar search app using beagle for searches?
02:46.06thenetduck:) question answered thanks
02:53.56mheathherlo: /window 7
02:53.58mheatherm
02:54.14herlomheath: what?
02:54.50herloZelut: my slides will be posted at fedora-tutorials.com in about 10 minutes
02:55.54mheathherlo: Sorry, I meant to type a command in my IRC client, but somehow had ended up with a tab-completed "herlo' in front that I didn't notice
02:56.18herlomheath: haha
02:56.28mheathherlo: But, I was going to mention: I listened online via the feed and wanted to A) thank you for providing the feed, and B) compliment you on a really good presentaiton
02:56.36herlomheath: thanks
02:56.46herlomheath: we'll be doing this every month from now on...
02:58.29herlomheath: is it sounding okay?
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03:02.23*** topic/#ubuntu-utah by Zelut -> Ubuntu Utah Team | Listen Live to the current presentation at http://stream.utosf.org | Presentation slides available here: http://tinyurl.com/2aecal , http://utosf.org/presents/FindvLocate.html |
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03:10.22herloZelut: I like what you're doing with the chanel.  I think we need to have more groups keep up-to-date during presentations...
03:10.32herlos/anel/annel/g
03:16.33Zelutthese links also available on the http://utah.ubuntu-us.org website.
03:20.20herlonice
03:22.08herloZelut: what's the browser you learned about at UDS
03:22.56Zelutherlo: epiphany
03:23.07Zelutherlo: still using it now.  Haven't used FF much at all since.
03:23.30herloZelut: I'm thinking about trying it out for a while, can it import my ff bookmarks?
03:24.04Zelutherlo: I don't think it ever asked me to do that.. I never keep bookmarks so I didn't look for that feature.
03:25.17herloZelut: how do you keep track of stuff you go to regularly?
03:26.03Zelutherlo: the only things I really go to regularly are things I just type in.. gmail, google reader, my blog...
03:26.14herloZelut: oh, I love the seesion saver stuff...
03:26.15Zelutother links I want to hold onto get tossed into tomboy
03:26.21herloahh
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04:55.34nearn_modding xbox.... so boring.
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05:10.35thenetduck~thenetduck
05:10.35jbotfrom memory, thenetduck is the biggest newb in #utah or #ubuntu-utah but he's building a hovercraft & a robot so its ok.  Also, don't ever take a ride with him because he gets pulled over a lot.
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06:16.05*** topic/#ubuntu-utah by Zelut -> Ubuntu Utah Team | See http://utah.ubuntu-us.org for recent team presentation slides | Current team poll concerning team resources available at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=616225
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07:27.43findlayZelut: this is interesting.  I've had epiphany+enlightenment running for about 6-7 days and it's using almost as much as ff under similar conditions
07:28.01findlaymaybe it's gecko that's grabbing resources
07:28.19Zelutthe memory issue may be as deep as gecko, sure.
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07:32.11findlaythat's it
07:32.17findlaygecko's have bad memories
07:32.40kkubasikfindlay, its a gecko issue
07:32.46kkubasiknamely, memory fragmentation
07:32.53ZelutI like Epiphany because it seems to integrate a bit better (its actually gnome-native), and its all-free
07:33.10kkubasikthe xpcom allocation system has a hard time fitting new allocations in old free space
07:33.27findlaywe need to heal the geckos of the world of their bad memories and the contingent pain
07:33.27kkubasikso it says in allocated to gecko, even though gecko can't use it
07:33.35kkubasikb/c its just oo small to free
07:33.48Zelutkkubasik: note sure I've done email introductions like that before, but ya'll should have each others contacts now..
07:34.13kkubasikyeah, I'm actually writing a response
07:34.41kkubasikjust got sidetracked
07:34.51Zelutkkubasik: I don't want to step on jorge's toes, I just want to make sure nothing falls in the cracks
07:34.51kkubasikand still am... darn heros
07:35.02kkubasikhaha, yeah i know the feeling
07:35.03findlaybut epiphany saves my sessions when ff will only do so if I kill it :)
07:38.32ZelutI just wish I could tell Epiphany to never, ever store my history.
07:38.56kkubasikdoes anyone know if the herdy repos are sane enough to package against?
07:39.03kkubasikor rather, to run in a vm
07:39.03Zelutin FF I would always configure it to not store passwords, cookies or history.. but I can't do the same in Epiphany.
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07:40.03findlaymaybe you can write a plugin
07:40.25findlaythough ep plugins I guess are lower level than ff ones
07:40.30Zelut~lart bigfox
07:40.30jbotsays "boot to the head" and knocks bigfox over
07:42.18kkubasikit would be a great chance to learn python
07:43.03ZelutI can never find 1) the project or 2) the mentor/help to keep with python for more than a week.
07:44.22Zelutkkubasik: if this would be worth translating to python I could start there, but I make so many shell calls (pretty much the whole script) I don't know if it'd be worth it.  https://launchpad.net/folding
07:45.10kkubasikhmmm, lemme check it out
07:45.20kkubasikim no python wiz, but i've scripted it quite a bit
07:45.39Zelutits all bash, but its my first real development project.. tries to make http://folding.stanford.edu native in linux.
07:45.52kkubasikthats cool
07:46.15Zelutwhich reminds me I need to finish my 0.5.1 update for a few minor bugs.
07:46.34kkubasikyeah, it looks like a doable migration
07:46.52kkubasikwe could sit down some time (live or IRC or Gobby)
07:47.12kkubasikand do it together
07:48.04Zelutlast person I talked to about porting it mentioned that since I'd be doing shell calls for everything I'd almost be adding code to do the same job.
07:48.36kkubasikyeah, for some stuff
07:49.22kkubasikbut so much of it could be done in the python libs
07:49.35kkubasiklike instead of wget, use urllib.open()
07:49.48findlaywith subprocess?
07:50.20kkubasikI mean, theres not a definative advantage to moving it to python
07:50.20findlayas a replacement for system calls, I mean
07:50.30findlayyeah
07:50.58kkubasikbut since you already know what you want to do wrt program flow and purpose, it would be a good learning opportunity
07:51.54Zelutany suggestions on this? I just realize it doesn't actually test as well as I thought..
07:51.56Zeluthttp://pastebin.com/d57ea48a7
07:52.47Zelutoriginally I thought that tested for wget || used curl || died.  After looking at it it looks more like it'll try one, then the other... or go on.
07:53.15Zelutit needs to use wget or curl or exit 1.
07:53.31findlaywhy is the elif bracket indented beyond the if one?
07:54.05Zeluti think that was just the paste formatting
07:54.07findlaydon't you need an else clause?
07:54.40findlayif wget ; elif curl ; else you fail ; fi
07:54.52herloZelut: so I loaded up gobby, is it just a local collaboration tool, or can it do over internet collab too?
07:55.05bigfoxJust want to say hi.  This is Omar.  I finally got on IRC.
07:55.20Zelutherlo: you can give it a gobby server and do remote collaboration too
07:55.24Zelutbigfox: welcome
07:55.54kkubasikZelut, I think it does one then the other...
07:55.58kkubasikbut im no bash wiz
07:56.20Zelutfindlay: that makes perfect sense.. I don't see why I didn't have that originally.
07:56.29Zelutif wget; elif curl; else exit 1
07:56.40findlayyay, I got one right
07:58.05herloZelut: sweet
07:58.49ZelutI wonder if I should actually create a test for wget or curl at the beginning
07:58.52herloZelut: the statement above with all the || will do this
07:59.10herlofirst it will try wget, if it succeeds, you're done.  if not, curl, if not it dies
08:02.05Zelutis a [ ! -x file ] a valid test?
08:03.28herloZelut: I would say yes
08:04.03Zelutif [{ ! -x $(which wget) || ! -x $(which curl) ]]; then echo "you need wget or curl. go find them and try again"; fi ?
08:04.36Zelutthat should be [[ ! -x wget || ! -x curl ]]
08:06.49Zelutperfect. looks like it works.
08:07.20herloyup
08:10.00Zelutremind me how to set a timeout on read?
08:10.55herlowhat do yo umean?
08:11.18herlowhere can I find a gobby server, which btw, I plan on blogging about this tool very soon...
08:11.34ZelutI saw an example one time for read (asking for input) to continue if the user didn't input anything
08:12.21herloman read ??
08:12.43Zelutyeah yeah yeah
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08:12.48ZelutNo manual entry for read ....uhh
08:13.15herlothere is for me
08:13.30Zelutwell aren't you fancy.
08:13.36herlohttp://pastebin.ca/779184
08:13.54herloZelut: try BASH_BUILTINS(1)
08:14.58herloZelut: looks like -t
08:15.17herlosomething like read -t 5 -p "Hello friend, whats your name" NAME
08:15.38Zelutlooks like that will exit 1 if no input is offered.. I'd like a way to just move on with a default instead I think.
08:16.20herloso capture
08:16.21herloit
08:17.55herlo$ read -t 5 "Hello: " NAME; if [ $? -eq 1 ]; then NAME=bob; fi
08:18.14herloecho $NAME
08:18.15herlobob
08:18.26herlothat's quick and dirty, but works
08:20.22Zelutman its past 1:00am and I'm wide awake
08:20.27thenetduckhey I would like to start using Beagle instead of Tracker does anyone know a way to turn tracker off and use beagles indexing?
08:20.41thenetduckZelut: welcome to my life
08:23.09herloZelut: I'm wearing down, but I'm good for another 20-30 mins probalby
08:26.52bigfoxGood night all.
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08:27.13thenetducknight..
08:29.40herlonight
08:33.49thenetduckquestion to all that are here ...
08:34.07thenetduckKevin said today that Novell wasn't behind beagle
08:34.27thenetduckbut I opened the search thingy and looked at help and it says...
08:34.29thenetduckCopyright 2005-2006 Novell, Inc
08:34.36thenetduckis this because they did the seach gui?
08:34.45thenetduckand beagle is just the back end?
08:35.48herlothenetduck: it means they own the copyright
08:36.08herlothenetduck: which means they have the gnu license.  It doesn't mean they run beagle
08:36.19thenetduckhow can they own the copywrite if they don't even develop it?
08:36.47thenetduckweird
08:36.50herlothenetduck: that's how MPAA and RIAA work too.  They don't sing the songs or write them, but they own the copyright to many songs
08:37.00herloits called work for hire
08:37.51thenetduckso technically they could shut down Beagle if they didn't like the developers or the people or whatever (not that they would considering they use beagle (I think))
08:38.41herlothenetduck: sure, but all that would do because its licensed under the gpl (or some other open source license) is make it so a fork would occur to another project
08:38.59thenetduckright
08:39.05herlo:)
08:39.12thenetduckthat makes me feel soo much better :)
08:41.05herlohehe, haha, hoho!
08:43.10Zelutok my test is acting up..
08:44.24kkubasikthenetduck, don't get me wrong, novell has contributed alot
08:44.29kkubasikbut its a community project
08:44.52kkubasikthenetduck, no they couldn't
08:45.01kkubasik(shut down beagle)
08:45.07kkubasikits MIT/X11
08:45.39kkubasikso at least I would continue to develop it
08:45.55kkubasiktechnically Linus could 'shut down' all of linux
08:46.03Zeluthttp://pastebin.com/d30891e5
08:46.04thenetduckright
08:46.09kkubasiksince he has the copywrite on some of the core stuff
08:46.21Zelutso that is failing for some reason.. is that checking for both?
08:46.24thenetduckbut if that ever happen the community would just move to something different?
08:46.44Zelutactually that should be an && shouldn't it..
08:47.29herloZelut: what are you referring to?
08:48.06herlokkubasik: Zelut: thenetduck: check this out.  Did it tonight.  Ubuntu-Utah is next
08:48.09herlohttp://stream.utosf.org:81/utosc/2007/plug20071114.ogg
08:49.31thenetduckherlo: are you using audacity ?
08:49.36herlothenetduck: of course!
08:50.03herlothenetduck: I'm working on a new intro right now.  I have a guy who's going to write me some intro music under the cc licenses
08:50.16herlos/under the/under one of the/g
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08:51.53kkubasikherlo, thats awesome, lemme know when the music is up
08:52.02herlokkubasik: what'dya mean?
08:52.03thenetduckditto
08:52.10kkubasiki always need like simple music to intro screencasts
08:52.16herlokkubasik: do you mean streaming my music collections...
08:52.17thenetduckp.s. I hate it when my computer just blanks out
08:52.17kkubasikso a cc music intro would be aweosme
08:52.23thenetduckand also I hate MSI
08:52.24herlokkubasik: oh, yeah for sure
08:52.45herlokkubasik: yeah, he said he'll do it and we'll just need to put a link to his blog or something probably
08:53.06kkubasikeasy said easy done
08:53.13herloexactly
08:53.41thenetducki'm going to start an "anti-border" campaign for software
08:53.49herloZelut: that reminds me, when the webdevs are working on ubuntu-utah's new website, a link to TierFour needs to go on the front page somewhere...
08:53.50thenetduckor I mean Linux software in general
08:54.36herlokkubasik: so I realized that the front end to the source client for icecast would be awesome in mono
08:54.52herloand I also realized that I could now do a presentation on streaming servers probably
08:55.09kkubasikoooo, we could do another back to back ;)
08:55.26herlomaybe may or june and I'll have it all solid and get ot show off the development and how to do many a thing with icecast and gICES
08:55.41kkubasikoooo, that would be cool
08:55.50herlo:)
08:55.54herlo~nsfw gices
08:57.13herlokkubasik: what would you present on?
08:57.34kkubasiki dunno, gstreamer in mono
08:57.39herloooh, nice
08:57.40kkubasikwrite a client to link to it
08:57.48herlolike banshee on crack?
08:57.56kkubasikyeah
08:58.00kkubasikthe new banshee really is
08:58.02herlowell, steroids at least
08:58.14kkubasiklike 70% of the interface is custom gtk controls
08:58.18herlonice
08:58.22kkubasikoptimized for banshee, and slick as heck
08:58.29kkubasikas well as a new last.fm radio component
08:59.01herlokkubasik: you can say hell
08:59.07herlokkubasik: just not damn :)
08:59.15kkubasikawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
08:59.19thenetduckwhat would you guys thinkg about making some hardware standards for Ubuntu? What I mean is, a list of hardware the a user can go out and purchase that they know will work perfectly with Ubuntu?
08:59.20herloheck is such a *utah* word
08:59.20kkubasikyou said a bad word!!!!
08:59.34kkubasikthenetduck, there are lists for that
08:59.34herlo~language herlo
08:59.35jbotACTION grabs herlo by the ear and washes herlo's mouth out with soap
08:59.39thenetduckkkubasik: where?
08:59.56kkubasikthenetduck, 1 sec
09:00.38kkubasikhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
09:00.45kkubasikits a wiki, so work on it!
09:01.11herlos/shed/shes/g
09:01.26thenetduckright toe
09:01.34kkubasikherlo, whats your beef w/ bzr?
09:01.39kkubasikit works fine for me
09:01.51herlokkubasik: its a fine vcs, I just have like 10 different ones now
09:01.58kkubasiki mean, git has been growing on me =/
09:02.13herlokkubasik: yeah, went to a presentation on git on Thursday.  
09:02.21herlokkubasik: and I am a fan of hg for sure
09:02.35kkubasikherlo, yeahhh hg is pretty hot
09:02.47herloI love hg for most of my dev nowadays
09:02.49kkubasikbut the bzr launchpad support is way w00t
09:03.04herloI'm looking to move all of my svn to hg / git very soon
09:03.16kkubasiklet me know how the migration goes
09:03.28Zelut<PROTECTED>
09:03.48Zelut0.5.1 now released.  interesting to read the previous release notes.. man did the original version suck :)
09:03.52herlokkubasik: where would I find ndesk-dbus-glib-1.0
09:04.08herlokkubasik: I will keep everyone in the loop as I bitch and moan at svn
09:04.10herlo:)
09:04.17kkubasikherlo, 1 sec
09:05.07Zelutnite guys
09:05.13kkubasikHeartsbane, the rpm, deb, or source?
09:05.13herloZelut: adios
09:05.17kkubasikZelut, ciao
09:05.25herlokkubasik: rpm preferrably, but source would work
09:05.44herlokkubasik: tell Heartsbane to change his nick as its too close to mine
09:05.47kkubasikwell, heres the site for it
09:05.48kkubasikhttp://www.ndesk.org/DBusSharp
09:05.55herlotx
09:06.02kkubasiki dunno the good rpm sites, so you might have to hunt some ofr that
09:06.12herloya, no worries
09:06.22kkubasikbuilding banshee trunk?
09:06.25kkubasikor something rldr
09:06.41kkubasiks/rldr/else
09:07.34kkubasiks/rldr/else/g
09:07.43herlokkubasik: dvorak?
09:07.59kkubasikdvorak?
09:08.11herlokkubasik: why did you type rldr instead of else?
09:08.26kkubasikmy hand got wicked misplaed i guess
09:08.42herlohehe, I thought it was the switch over from qwerty to dvorak
09:09.15kkubasikhahahah
09:09.20herlodev repo for f8 has ndesk-dbus-devel
09:09.45kkubasikalright, im gonna follow in Zelut's footsteps and peace out
09:09.53herloI'm not far behind
09:09.58kkubasik(but with some heros awesomeness first ;) )
09:10.00herlojust wanna see if I can compile this...
09:10.01kkubasikcyall
09:10.06herlociao
09:13.31thenetduckwell it's a list, but you have to go digging to figure it out
09:13.55thenetduckI should grab from that wiki an make list of computer components that seems to be working perfectly fine out of the box
09:14.03thenetducka simple list
09:16.31herlothenetduck: I'm almost done compiling gnome-do
09:17.30thenetduckgnome-do is sweet but not as good as Quicksilver for Apple
09:17.56thenetduckit's nice because you can do really simple task very quick like sending emails
09:18.03thenetduckor moving files places
09:18.46thenetduckwhat I was talking about in the meeting was having it have a plugin that said "seach for this word in beagle" then it would auto open beagle searching for that word
09:19.27thenetduckinstead of opening beagle then typing in what you wanted to search for
09:20.24herlothenetduck: gnome-do is *very* early dev.  quicksilver has a few years on it...
09:20.57herlothe only way to get it working is to build it from source and its definitely not stable...
09:24.14thenetduckherlo: lets get some bugs submitted , im actually kind of getting into submitting bugs
09:25.40herlothenetduck: I've not played with it enough to do that yet, but soon...
09:26.21thenetduckherlo: I hate it when people make repeat projects
09:26.22thenetduckhttp://developer.imendio.com/projects/gnome-launch-box
09:26.31thenetducknow I don't know which one to like
09:26.35thenetduckstupid...
09:27.05herlothenetduck: yeah...
09:37.04thenetduckdid you know there is a Gentoo live cd ?
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18:18.55nearnI have shirt.woot.com every time i go there i have to buy a new shirt.
18:19.00nearnhave == hate
18:45.24Zelutgotta run
18:50.42Heartsbanehttp://shirt.woot.com/friends.aspx?k=3694
19:40.58nearnZelut: http://shirt.woot.com/Blog/BlogEntry.aspx?BlogEntryId=3280
19:41.27nearnthe top 20 shirts are allways for sale.
19:53.26findlayalllways?
19:54.35nearnyes sir.
19:54.59nearnjust pay attention to the blog and it will have the contest winners every few weeks.
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21:15.10Gateanyone know how to use sed to match a line and reconstruct it when you have to do more than 10 matches?
21:27.07Gatebah, I will just write a C script to do it.
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23:42.43thenetducksup everybody
23:43.20thenetduckanyone on?
23:43.35thenetduckor I mean anyone on that knows anything about freedos ?

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