| 00:01.32 | troseph | Zelut: did you have any problems with the Wacom scripts in runlevel 2? |
| 00:02.33 | Zelut | troseph: not that I know of.. |
| 00:03.36 | herlo | Zelut: it appears in the proprietary world of ATI/NVIDIA its apparently a bit more complex. One requirement is that you have their driver installed, which I do not. Hopefully after that xrandr will report the second monitor |
| 00:04.05 | troseph | Ah. It was causing X to hang on my system. I finally worked all the bugs out of this... I'll be updating like 10 wiki's with information on older intel MacBooks. Because the Core2's and the CoreDuo macbooks are quiet different. |
| 00:08.19 | Zelut | intereting |
| 00:08.31 | Zelut | herlo: I hear if you just install the non-free from nvidia its super-duper easy |
| 00:12.15 | Zelut | bbiab - going to the pub |
| 00:14.06 | troseph | herlo: I've had the best luck with the non-free. It's pretty slick. |
| 00:21.21 | mheath | Herlo mentioned that he had ATI, though. |
| 00:28.57 | sontek | herlo: nvidia's nvidia-settings app provides an easy to configure dual monitor setup |
| 00:29.25 | sontek | herlo: but even if you don't want to use that, you can just set MetaModes and TwinView properties in your xorg config and it'll work |
| 00:30.10 | herlo | Zelut: mines ati |
| 00:30.35 | herlo | sontek: and btw, the MetaModes *dont* work! |
| 00:30.39 | herlo | :) |
| 00:30.44 | sontek | herlo: why not? |
| 00:30.54 | herlo | sontek: dunno, because they *dont* |
| 00:31.17 | sontek | herlo: they don't work because of the ATI driver? |
| 00:31.24 | herlo | sontek: probably |
| 00:31.28 | herlo | sontek: but I don't know |
| 00:32.14 | sontek | is your 2nd monitor in your xorg config? |
| 00:33.14 | herlo | it was |
| 00:33.30 | sontek | You should be able to just put: Option "TwinView" "True" Option "MetaModes" "1024x768, 1024x768;" |
| 00:33.33 | herlo | and it didn't work. I swear, I just said that 15 minutes ago |
| 00:33.33 | sontek | and have it work |
| 00:34.00 | herlo | sontek: yeah, I followed a tutorial that had me do something similar |
| 00:34.14 | sontek | try doing X -configure (or, system-config-display) to regen your config to see if it'll detect the 2nd monitor |
| 00:34.37 | sontek | you might also have to use your fn key to send the output to the external video |
| 00:35.32 | sontek | Those 2 lines is the only things I've ever done to get dual monitors, but I haven't had an ATI card since mid-90's |
| 00:35.59 | herlo | sontek: it won't already tried that |
| 00:36.15 | herlo | did the function key thing too, no luck |
| 00:38.02 | sontek | is it still cloning even when you put TwinView on in xorg.conf ? |
| 00:38.30 | sontek | and are you running compiz or anything? |
| 00:43.54 | herlo | sontek: it fails miserably, read the scroll back |
| 00:44.24 | herlo | sontek: it doesn't even get as far as starting X, let alone cloning |
| 00:44.33 | herlo | btw, I got the ATI proprietary driver to work |
| 00:44.35 | herlo | but |
| 00:44.49 | herlo | so far I can't get it to do what I want with one display above another... |
| 00:49.46 | sontek | herlo: thats with the Orientation flag in xorg, or you can do it with xrandr |
| 00:49.50 | herlo | sontek: I appreciate you trying, but I've tried all of the stuff you suggested... |
| 00:50.22 | herlo | sontek: what do you mean? xrandr doesn't seem to work. Now that I've got the ati stuff in place, it might though... |
| 00:50.56 | sontek | Option "TwinViewOrientation" "CRT-0 RightOf CRT-1" |
| 00:51.20 | sontek | I'm not sure if that supports an "Above" though |
| 00:51.26 | sontek | I've only used it for LeftOf/RightOf |
| 00:51.54 | herlo | sontek: check out the --help output of xrandr, it clearly supports above and below |
| 00:52.19 | herlo | sontek: the problem is that xrandr can't see my second display |
| 00:55.54 | sontek | I don't know how xrandr finds its monitors, I'd think it'd just use whatever is in your xorg.conf |
| 00:56.01 | sontek | so if your monitor is in there, it should work |
| 00:56.19 | sontek | but either way, you could define TwinViewOrientation in your xorg.conf and use the monitor labels that are inside there |
| 00:56.23 | sontek | rather than using xrandr |
| 00:57.35 | sontek | so put: Option "TwinViewOrientation" "CRT-0 Above CRT-1" |
| 00:57.39 | sontek | and see what happens |
| 00:57.40 | herlo | sontek: yeah, I see that, I'm looking at a couple tutorials that give that detail. Those did *not* work as I stated earlier |
| 00:58.13 | herlo | http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxAndDualMonitors.html |
| 00:58.34 | Heartsbane | Nevermind herlo over here |
| 00:58.41 | herlo | Heartsbane: pong |
| 00:58.50 | Heartsbane | Sorry wasn't paying attention |
| 00:59.14 | Heartsbane | Um.... have you tried the AES 128bit encryption in the Ubuntu installer? |
| 01:00.40 | herlo | Heartsbane: for the file system? |
| 01:01.16 | Heartsbane | ya |
| 01:01.46 | Heartsbane | I was going to migrate another machine and wanted to try it |
| 01:02.04 | herlo | its pretty easy |
| 01:02.28 | herlo | sontek: figured it out, aticonfig has an option --screen-layout=above |
| 01:03.12 | Heartsbane | herlo: maybe I am not seeing it on the desktop install... hmmm |
| 01:04.57 | herlo | Heartsbane: yeah, I did the alternate |
| 01:05.14 | herlo | sontek: the only thing I don't like so far is that I can't cross between screens |
| 01:06.03 | Heartsbane | D'oh |
| 01:07.06 | herlo | Heartsbane: D'oh! what? |
| 01:08.19 | Heartsbane | Well is it only available in the alternate, |
| 01:08.37 | Heartsbane | in 12 minutes I will know |
| 01:10.11 | Heartsbane | Guess I should have read more closely |
| 01:10.40 | herlo | :) |
| 01:11.03 | herlo | Heartsbane: unknown. I'm planning on setting up some virtual machines this week to test it though |
| 01:11.24 | Gate | what would you guys recommend as a personal organizer calendar? thunderbird? |
| 01:12.02 | Heartsbane | Define Virtualization: why am I in this desert and where is the water!!! |
| 01:12.10 | Gate | s/thunderbird/sunbird/g |
| 01:12.38 | Heartsbane | Gate: after all the reading, I am thinking about going to evolution |
| 01:13.05 | Gate | evolution has a calendar integrated? never gone further into it than the email setup screen. |
| 01:13.50 | Heartsbane | it doesn't seem as clunky as thunderbird/thunderbird-enigma/sunbird |
| 01:15.17 | Heartsbane | I would like to say after talking to undertakingyou and sontek they have nearly talked me into a couple times |
| 01:19.40 | sontek | herlo: are you using xinerama? |
| 01:19.41 | Gate | ouch. and now my habit of keeping old emails bites me. |
| 01:19.56 | herlo | sontek: no, I'm using the aticonfig tool |
| 01:19.58 | sontek | herlo: xinerama isn't dual screen, its running 2 different X servers at the same time |
| 01:20.03 | herlo | which sets up my xorg the way I want |
| 01:20.12 | herlo | almost |
| 01:20.58 | herlo | the only thing it doesn't do right now is move my windows between the monitors. Not sure if that's just a programmatic thing, or if there's a way to do it and I've not figured it out yet... |
| 01:21.31 | sontek | yeah, that sounds like xinerama |
| 01:21.33 | herlo | sontek: that could be what I'm running then and just don't know it |
| 01:21.37 | sontek | aticonfig might setup xinerama |
| 01:22.05 | herlo | sontek: it appears as though that's the case... |
| 01:22.34 | herlo | so maybe with the ati drivers in place, the Twin ViewOrientation thing might just work |
| 01:23.04 | herlo | man, things have really changed since I played a lot with X |
| 01:26.15 | sontek | The X developers need to develop some tools to make things easier |
| 01:28.50 | herlo | sontek: agreed |
| 01:29.08 | herlo | my neck will thank me in the long run... :) |
| 01:30.17 | sontek | because I have mango =) |
| 01:31.54 | herlo | sontek: but you have two machines |
| 01:32.17 | herlo | sontek: I've since put my second machine to better use as a streaming server for UTOS |
| 01:32.20 | herlo | :) |
| 01:32.20 | sontek | well, I also have 3 monitors on my desktop, but mango is the only cool part :P |
| 01:32.30 | herlo | haha, nice |
| 01:32.41 | sontek | I've got 2 monitors on twinview and then one on a seperate X server |
| 01:33.26 | sontek | I'm thinking about moving my 3rd to my file server and then just letting mango lassi handle that one too |
| 01:36.52 | herlo | sontek: so I think I need/want to do twinview now. I'm going to figure that out and see if the ati driver will let me run that... |
| 01:38.20 | herlo | I'm redoing my virtual machines. I'm starting with Fedora8, then Gutsy, then OpenSUSE 10.3 :) |
| 01:38.31 | herlo | then, if I've got time this week, I'll install OpenBSD too |
| 01:43.02 | sontek | I want to get all of the distros setup in vm's but I've been slacking |
| 01:43.20 | sontek | I keep telling myself I'm going to try getting them to run in xen/kvm instead of vmware |
| 01:43.35 | sontek | but it never happens :P |
| 01:43.57 | Gate | Heartsbane: 1) thanks for turning me on to Evolution, I am liking it so far. 2) You have created a monstor, *I* am now pimping Xmission |
| 01:44.06 | Gate | the static IP alone is one helluva selling point. |
| 01:45.45 | herlo | sontek: if you use Fedora kvm is very nice |
| 01:46.00 | herlo | sontek: it will work in ubuntu, and I don't have any knowledge about OpenSUSE though |
| 01:46.56 | sontek | My problem is my Core2Duo has vmx support, but both the f7 and 10.3 xen kernels are broken for me |
| 01:47.09 | sontek | I can't boot with it in fedora, and my network drivers are broken in 10.3 |
| 01:47.15 | sontek | and I just haven't had the time to debug it |
| 01:47.18 | herlo | sontek: really? that's strange. |
| 01:47.20 | Heartsbane | Gate: :) |
| 01:47.32 | Heartsbane | Gate: glad you enjoy it all |
| 01:47.41 | Gate | they rock. |
| 01:47.42 | herlo | sontek: kvm doesn't require a kernel, just a module |
| 01:47.50 | herlo | Gate: XMission *is* the bomb |
| 01:48.13 | herlo | Gate: UTOS will be using them very soon methinks. I've got plans to hit Pete up for some server space... |
| 01:48.14 | Heartsbane | herlo: that is my line |
| 01:48.16 | Heartsbane | :) |
| 01:48.28 | herlo | Heartsbane: it is? Oh well, I get to use it tonight :) |
| 01:48.49 | Gate | haha |
| 01:49.11 | Gate | they are the perfect ISP for techies. |
| 01:49.33 | Heartsbane | herlo: if you hit him up for for some server space, I have a box that I am working on I would like to get some OpenVPN and shell for the LoCo |
| 01:49.38 | herlo | Gate: I really like TierFour for colocation, XMission for my ISP and UTOPIA for my backbone |
| 01:50.02 | herlo | Heartsbane: that's kind of where I am trying to go with it. My main concern is what it will be used for.... |
| 01:50.25 | Heartsbane | herlo: can I be involved? |
| 01:50.33 | Gate | oooooh. I hear they just signed an agreement to get UTOPIA down here. |
| 01:52.06 | Heartsbane | herlo: I already have a 2U box that I was going to donate just for that project |
| 01:53.01 | herlo | Heartsbane: sure |
| 01:53.20 | herlo | Heartsbane: I'm not too familiar with how OpenVPN server works anyway |
| 01:53.31 | herlo | Heartsbane: there's always room for communities |
| 01:53.38 | herlo | er community members |
| 01:54.16 | Heartsbane | herlo: me and undertakingyou went to lunch and discussed it, I was going to bring the box the Installfest on 11/10 |
| 01:54.29 | herlo | Heartsbane: we were discussing last night at our first conference planning meeting, that I will get in trouble from sontek for, about how we want to start having leadership from each of the major communities come and help us understand what they need. |
| 01:54.37 | herlo | Heartsbane: sweet! |
| 01:55.02 | herlo | Heartsbane: I'll have upgraded to F8 by then too. |
| 01:56.06 | Heartsbane | Well lets grab some lunch and discuss it |
| 01:56.16 | Heartsbane | or something |
| 01:56.47 | herlo | Heartsbane: I thought that's kinda what we were doing next Wednesday (Nov 7) |
| 01:56.56 | Heartsbane | Maybe we can bring sontek and let him threaten us with physical violence |
| 01:57.01 | Heartsbane | Still in my calendar |
| 01:57.05 | Heartsbane | you are right |
| 01:57.11 | herlo | Heartsbane: :), what do you use for your calendar? |
| 01:57.46 | sontek | herlo: thats because you are n00b and don't send out reminders :P |
| 01:58.02 | Heartsbane | Sunbird.... but uh.... undertaking and sontek have almost talked me into Evolution |
| 01:58.06 | sontek | herlo: and yes, you got that right, i'm blaiming you for me not being able to remember things =) |
| 01:58.12 | herlo | Heartsbane: Sunbird is better |
| 01:58.20 | herlo | sontek: good luck with that |
| 01:58.26 | Heartsbane | herlo: you are talking about gcaldaemon? |
| 01:58.30 | Heartsbane | or something else |
| 01:58.38 | herlo | Heartsbane: I was |
| 01:58.54 | herlo | Heartsbane: I haven't looked at it further, but it seems to be able to provide a google calendar interface ot Sunbird |
| 01:59.06 | herlo | Heartsbane: I'll be it will work with Evolution too with a few tweaks |
| 01:59.24 | sontek | Zelut: ping! |
| 01:59.28 | Heartsbane | herlo: can I be involved in testing, I have read about it (if this is the one on sourceforge) |
| 01:59.35 | Heartsbane | Zelut is out at the pub |
| 01:59.44 | sontek | gah! such an alcoholic |
| 01:59.49 | Heartsbane | HEY |
| 01:59.59 | herlo | Heartsbane: we can set it up next week |
| 02:00.25 | Heartsbane | sontek: I happened to be drinking at this very moment |
| 02:00.29 | Zelut | I'm back |
| 02:00.32 | sontek | I got owned lastnight in beer pong, my stomach was doing hoola hoops around my ass this morning |
| 02:00.34 | herlo | Heartsbane: I'm going to be in Bountiful a couple days this week and a bunch next... |
| 02:00.35 | Heartsbane | D'oh |
| 02:00.55 | herlo | sontek: learn how to play and you'll do better |
| 02:01.08 | herlo | Zelut: bout time. |
| 02:01.17 | herlo | Zelut: you missed my getting dual monitors to work |
| 02:01.32 | herlo | Heartsbane: me neither, but I think we both could kick sontek's ass at it |
| 02:01.35 | Gate | Life is always better with alcohol. |
| 02:01.36 | herlo | ~language herlo |
| 02:01.36 | jbot | ACTION grabs herlo by the ear and washes herlo's mouth out with soap |
| 02:01.42 | herlo | :) |
| 02:02.01 | herlo | Gate: come up for the MDRP and we'll drink that night... |
| 02:02.13 | Gate | <.< |
| 02:02.28 | sontek | I vow to never drink again after lastnight :P |
| 02:02.28 | herlo | Zelut: btw, are we still having the Ubuntu-Utah meet on Nov 10? I can do my presnetation as long as the meeting doesn't start before 6pm |
| 02:02.30 | Gate | I will have to drive back, but I *AM* bringing friends who don't drink..... |
| 02:02.36 | herlo | sontek: I don't believe that |
| 02:02.43 | herlo | Gate: DD's perfect! |
| 02:02.44 | sontek | It was so bad shamu started looking hot |
| 02:03.04 | Gate | herlo: I am going to go to dinner with a friend right after the MDRP, you interested in joining us? |
| 02:03.05 | sontek | (shamu was this 300lb black chick that was there, don't remember her real name) |
| 02:03.14 | herlo | sontek: shamu was there? Did shamu do tricks? |
| 02:03.34 | herlo | sontek: like a flip in the air? |
| 02:03.46 | herlo | and land back in her pool? |
| 02:03.48 | sontek | herlo: she did one trick, which was fit into the pants she was wearing |
| 02:04.01 | herlo | sontek: that's bad man, sooo bad. Funny! But bad... |
| 02:04.16 | Gate | oooooh. flying fish! |
| 02:04.21 | herlo | ubuntu Gutsy is next |
| 02:04.37 | Gate | herlo: I <3 Gutsy |
| 02:04.44 | herlo | Gate: I heard |
| 02:07.31 | herlo | Gate: I <3 Werewolf... |
| 02:07.43 | Gate | :) |
| 02:07.45 | herlo | and I love Linux |
| 02:07.49 | herlo | and Open Source |
| 02:07.51 | Gate | thats a given for me |
| 02:07.52 | herlo | free software |
| 02:08.01 | herlo | and a bunch of other cool things that are free |
| 02:08.25 | Gate | My configuration time for hardware in Gutsy was 5 minutes, in Feisty it was 1-2 hours |
| 02:08.44 | herlo | Gate: yeah, that's how I feel about Werewolf ... |
| 02:09.07 | Heartsbane | herlo: naw I would never kick sontek's a$$ |
| 02:09.24 | Heartsbane | herlo: I like sontek |
| 02:09.55 | sontek | plus i'm a badass |
| 02:10.18 | Heartsbane | herlo: after meeting him and Lamont (I originally met him 2003) I now think 'man Leprechauns are smart' |
| 02:10.19 | herlo | Heartsbane: just for that, you should kick his ass |
| 02:10.46 | sontek | Did I tell you guys I signed up for UCE? |
| 02:10.50 | sontek | you gonna come watch me fight? =) |
| 02:10.56 | Heartsbane | really? |
| 02:10.57 | herlo | Heartsbane: have a look at http://herlo.org and find the "Miscellaneous Quotes and Actions" section |
| 02:11.04 | Heartsbane | k |
| 02:11.11 | Heartsbane | sontek: are you serious |
| 02:11.15 | herlo | sontek: no, I don't get into that stuff... |
| 02:12.12 | sontek | Heartsbane: yeah, I signed up last week, I go in for my HIV test next week and then I get to fight |
| 02:12.27 | herlo | you guys gotta check out the poll I've put up at fedora-tutorials.com, its getting a lot of attention... |
| 02:12.51 | herlo | sontek: good way to get out your aggressions, that way you don't have to worry about going to "Anger Management" class again :) |
| 02:13.22 | sontek | herlo: wasn't worried about them anyways, only reason I got them the first time was because I beatup a roommate, I don't have roommates anymore =) |
| 02:14.03 | sontek | herlo: but from the way you've been acting lately, it couldn't hurt to get you in some ;) |
| 02:14.33 | Heartsbane | sontek: let me know I will go watch |
| 02:14.36 | sontek | Heartsbane: you can be my ringside coach! |
| 02:15.00 | herlo | sontek: it was a joke |
| 02:15.46 | sontek | herlo: some things aren't funny, even if you call them jokes =) |
| 02:16.04 | herlo | sontek: you should take your own advice to heart |
| 02:17.46 | sontek | herlo: Pssh, then I'd have to actually think before I speak |
| 02:17.59 | sontek | herlo: and I refuse to do that |
| 02:18.51 | herlo | sontek: obviously, but I'm not acting differently than I ever have. You're reading *way* to much into things... |
| 02:19.33 | Heartsbane | Zelut: ping |
| 02:19.40 | herlo | Heartsbane: pong :) |
| 02:19.51 | Heartsbane | ummm your not Zelut? |
| 02:20.02 | herlo | Heartsbane: very true |
| 02:20.03 | sontek | herlo: "Why do you always have to be such an ass" in a public channel, when I was joking about distro names, there was no reading into that, you were pissed for no reason |
| 02:20.46 | sontek | which is why I say a little anger management couldn't hurt =) |
| 02:20.53 | herlo | sontek: you do a good job of riling me up, I've since decided that its not worth arguing with you, rather just keeping the discussion nice and light seems to work much better |
| 02:21.32 | Heartsbane | Zelut: how hard is going to going to be to change an encrypted LVM with AES 128 bit accross another drive? |
| 02:21.36 | sontek | if you get riled up because I want to call SUSE silver bullet, you should probably stop talking to me all together ;p |
| 02:22.17 | herlo | sontek, that has very little to do with it and you know it. I'm done discussing this, however... |
| 02:23.19 | Zelut | Heartsbane: what do you mean change? |
| 02:23.22 | Heartsbane | Well if I want to change the size? |
| 02:23.33 | sontek | from my perspective, thats exactly why you got mad, it was either that, or because I made fun of your poll about code names that had a distro on it that didn't have a code name, either way, it was no reason to be mad |
| 02:24.30 | herlo | Heartsbane: is it LVM? |
| 02:24.53 | Heartsbane | yes I used the alternate ISO and set for encrypted LVM |
| 02:25.18 | herlo | Heartsbane: AFAIK, you should be able to resize the LVM, but you'll need to provide your passphrase |
| 02:25.43 | Heartsbane | Zelut: is that true? |
| 02:25.49 | Zelut | if you want to extend the filesystem it should work filne.. |
| 02:25.58 | Heartsbane | ty sirs |
| 02:26.20 | Heartsbane | :( |
| 02:26.39 | sontek | Now I have your .vimrc ! |
| 02:26.40 | sontek | owned! |
| 02:28.08 | herlo | Zelut: did you read my statements in #utos? |
| 02:28.10 | *** join/#ubuntu-utah TechnoViking (i=dbasinge@ubuntu/member/MikeB-) |
| 02:30.17 | Heartsbane | Speaking of the Devil |
| 02:30.26 | Heartsbane | Here is MikeB |
| 02:31.20 | sontek | MikeB is the devil?! He always seemed so nice... |
| 02:32.25 | Heartsbane | I know |
| 02:32.28 | Heartsbane | :) |
| 02:40.26 | Gate | hm. gatewarstrek.info is $2 |
| 02:40.35 | Gate | sry, $3 |
| 02:41.17 | herlo | Gate: that's a good deal |
| 02:53.31 | Heartsbane | sontek: let me know what goes on with UCE |
| 02:54.08 | sontek | Heartsbane: ok, they said I could have my first week as soon as I get the test done |
| 02:54.14 | sontek | Heartsbane: shouldn't be more than a few weeks |
| 02:54.20 | sontek | Heartsbane: but I want to slim down a bit too |
| 02:54.30 | Heartsbane | sontek: plus If I bring my beater box on the 11th, want to some pointer on the OpenSuse 10.3 since you shined me at p42 |
| 02:54.45 | sontek | Heartsbane: my bad |
| 02:54.54 | sontek | Heartsbane: bring your file server |
| 02:55.04 | herlo | sontek: do you mean the 10th? |
| 02:55.07 | Heartsbane | Ummmm...... NO its heavy |
| 02:55.09 | sontek | herlo: yeah |
| 02:55.17 | herlo | because the 11th is a Sunday and noone will be there |
| 02:55.21 | sontek | Heartsbane: think of it as exercise |
| 02:55.33 | Heartsbane | sontek: then again maybe it would be a good idea |
| 02:55.38 | sontek | herlo: but it was heartsbane that said it =) |
| 02:56.21 | sontek | Heartsbane: i'll have mine there with nfs and everything for opensuse |
| 02:56.33 | Heartsbane | k |
| 02:56.48 | herlo | sontek: true |
| 02:57.05 | herlo | sontek: are you bringing opensuse to let peopel install? |
| 02:57.31 | Heartsbane | herlo: I would like to really try that thumb drive installer for opensuse |
| 02:57.35 | sontek | herlo: yeah, I still have nfs setup from the release party so its all ready to go |
| 02:57.51 | herlo | Heartsbane: they have that for fedora, ubuntu and opensuse. |
| 02:57.54 | sontek | herlo: I'll have 64bit and 32bit available for people to install from |
| 02:57.55 | herlo | sontek: okay |
| 02:57.59 | sontek | herlo: I wont have any dvds though |
| 02:58.05 | herlo | I'll be bringing a bunch of dvds... |
| 02:58.08 | herlo | I can burn them... |
| 02:58.15 | herlo | do they have images to download?> |
| 02:58.38 | sontek | herlo: yeah, there is a smaller livecd image and then torrents/metalinks for the dvd's |
| 02:59.22 | herlo | sontek: I'll burn a bunch of each. Something like 15-30 of fedora and opensuse. ubuntu will have pressed cds there |
| 02:59.41 | Heartsbane | herlo: ya but I have never tried one |
| 03:00.22 | herlo | Heartsbane: using a usb disk to install is way simple, I do it every week. I've become more interested in setting up installs via pxe lately |
| 03:00.30 | sontek | herlo: I can probably get some pressed ones from Novell for SUSE, or if you want I can pickup some sticker labels and we can make ours look professional :P |
| 03:00.46 | herlo | I've got sticker labels and I can print them. |
| 03:00.58 | herlo | but if you get pressed ones, that's cool too |
| 03:02.13 | sontek | they didn't have them ready for our release party but they should be done by now |
| 03:02.27 | Heartsbane | I need to get some more Ubuntu stickers, I got a couple custom sticker for my laptop from LAN candy |
| 03:02.33 | Heartsbane | sontek: you will them |
| 03:02.44 | sontek | ~english Heartsbane |
| 03:02.45 | jbot | ACTION takes Heartsbane and squeezes him until all language other than proper english is completely removed, forcing him to speak only in proper Oxford Dictionary English |
| 03:02.58 | Heartsbane | sontek: you will like them |
| 03:03.03 | Heartsbane | sorry I am drinking |
| 03:03.05 | sontek | haha |
| 03:03.17 | sontek | Heartsbane: which ones did ya get? |
| 03:03.26 | sontek | Heartsbane: My laptop is almost stickerless now |
| 03:03.33 | sontek | its hard to get them all off though |
| 03:03.36 | sontek | so I have lots of sticky goo |
| 03:03.46 | herlo | Heartsbane: don't be sorry for drinking. |
| 03:04.05 | herlo | but its a long drive to murray and I've to work tomorrow :) |
| 03:04.08 | Heartsbane | sontek: I got a Futurama theme going. I was going start making a theme for login to Ubuntu |
| 03:04.24 | Heartsbane | Futurama stickers, and sounds right now |
| 03:04.32 | sontek | haha awesome |
| 03:04.34 | sontek | I want a bender |
| 03:04.37 | Heartsbane | Bender on the lid |
| 03:05.00 | Heartsbane | so when I open it up there he is |
| 03:05.24 | herlo | Bender is awesome |
| 03:05.28 | herlo | he bends things |
| 03:07.36 | sontek | and he only functions when hes been drinking |
| 03:07.52 | sontek | he gets all drunk when he sobres up =) |
| 03:10.07 | herlo | sontek: exactly |
| 03:11.04 | Heartsbane | s/some/so/ |
| 03:11.12 | herlo | Heartsbane: but you'll be in before everyone else... |
| 03:11.18 | Heartsbane | SO |
| 03:11.22 | herlo | Heartsbane: maybe you should go in later :) |
| 03:11.51 | Heartsbane | herlo: if I go in later It just means I am there longer |
| 03:11.52 | Heartsbane | :) |
| 03:12.07 | herlo | Heartsbane: do you have to put in 8 every day? Does someone really watch you that closely? |
| 03:12.27 | sontek | Most of my hangovers are caused by my boss |
| 03:12.48 | sontek | I need to stop going drink for drink shot for shot with him |
| 03:13.07 | herlo | sontek: why, the world is funner when you are drunk :) |
| 03:13.23 | herlo | s/ad/ade/g |
| 03:13.33 | sontek | only that night! The next day I can actually feel the world spinning! |
| 03:13.40 | herlo | sontek: true |
| 03:13.57 | sontek | this morning my stomach was orbitting my ass, thats not a good feeling |
| 03:14.50 | herlo | yeah, can imagine |
| 03:15.31 | herlo | okay, its more like 630 pkgs |
| 03:15.54 | herlo | and at the same time, I'm backing up my blogs so I can upgrade one of them to wp 2.3.1 |
| 03:16.46 | sontek | herlo: I need some find foo |
| 03:16.53 | herlo | sontek: for? |
| 03:17.07 | sontek | herlo: find all files in the directory that aren't named .svn/ or inside .svn/ |
| 03:17.09 | Zelut | I think I broke my mirror. ugh |
| 03:17.17 | herlo | sontek: easy |
| 03:17.47 | herlo | find -name -not ".svn" |
| 03:18.04 | herlo | sontek: that's probably not quite right, but will get you started |
| 03:18.13 | herlo | can't svn give you that though? |
| 03:18.24 | sontek | herlo: it has svn export, but I don't want to export it |
| 03:18.30 | sontek | herlo: I'm doing it in a Makefile |
| 03:18.34 | herlo | sontek: ahh |
| 03:18.42 | sontek | herlo: so I want to do 'make release' and beable to tar everything up |
| 03:18.45 | herlo | sontek: yes, annoying litle buggers, aren't they |
| 03:18.50 | Heartsbane | encrypted LVM takes forever to install |
| 03:18.52 | herlo | sontek: I'd do it this way |
| 03:19.17 | herlo | copy the .svn dirs over to where they are going, then from the root of their destination do this |
| 03:19.35 | herlo | find -type d -name .svn -exec rm -r {} \; |
| 03:20.05 | sontek | if I was gonna be moving files I'd just use svn export |
| 03:20.08 | herlo | but the opposite will work. I'm not sure if it will cause problems... |
| 03:20.12 | sontek | But your find command isn't valid |
| 03:20.20 | herlo | which one? |
| 03:20.25 | sontek | -name -not |
| 03:20.35 | herlo | oh, hang on le tm elook at th eman page |
| 03:20.58 | herlo | sontek: do this |
| 03:21.05 | herlo | find -not -name ".svn" |
| 03:21.10 | herlo | sorry |
| 03:21.21 | herlo | make sure you have the directory in there too |
| 03:21.42 | herlo | so maybe find /foo -not -name ".svn" |
| 03:21.55 | herlo | sontek: you could also expand it a bit firther |
| 03:21.57 | herlo | further |
| 03:22.12 | herlo | and add -type d |
| 03:22.41 | herlo | and then do an -exec cp -r {} /destination \; |
| 03:22.45 | herlo | should work |
| 03:23.17 | herlo | find /foo -type d -not -name ".svn" -exec cp -r {} /destination \; |
| 03:24.28 | herlo | sontek: does that work? |
| 03:26.07 | sontek | -name -notfind -not -name ".svn" -type d |
| 03:26.08 | sontek | find -not -name ".svn" -type d |
| 03:26.19 | sontek | first time I accidentally scrolled up old text :p |
| 03:26.25 | sontek | but that command finds only .svn :P |
| 03:27.36 | herlo | sontek: really? weired |
| 03:27.49 | herlo | hang on, let me try it on one of my svn dirs. I'll get it right |
| 03:29.55 | sontek | oh, I needed to do ./.svn |
| 03:30.18 | sontek | find . -wholename './.svn' -prune -o -print |
| 03:30.20 | sontek | I used that |
| 03:30.51 | sontek | can you stack commands or should I just pipe it? |
| 03:31.33 | sontek | I need to tell it not to grab Makefile either |
| 03:33.57 | herlo | you can stack commands, I'd say do this |
| 03:35.14 | herlo | the wholename thing is almost the same as -name |
| 03:36.20 | herlo | find . -name './.svn' -prune -o exec cp -r {} /dest \; |
| 03:36.23 | herlo | now |
| 03:37.11 | sontek | the problem with that is I need to send it to tar but -exec {} will do it to each file |
| 03:37.24 | sontek | I guess theres probably an append for tar or something |
| 03:39.30 | herlo | got it |
| 03:39.35 | herlo | find . -wholename '.*svn' -prune -o -exec cp -r {} /tmp \; |
| 03:39.46 | herlo | use -ok instead of -exec to test if you like |
| 03:39.59 | herlo | it just worked in one of my project dirs |
| 03:41.48 | herlo | sontek: w00t! |
| 03:42.03 | sontek | that works for copying, but not for using tar |
| 03:42.07 | sontek | for the reason I said above |
| 03:43.08 | herlo | oh, I thought you wanted to copy |
| 03:43.12 | herlo | tar doesn't work |
| 03:43.15 | sontek | thats the command I was using at first, but realized its going to exec the tar command for each individual file |
| 03:43.17 | herlo | you'd need | xargs |
| 03:43.25 | herlo | yup |
| 03:43.47 | herlo | but you could cp it there and then tar that dir |
| 03:43.48 | herlo | :) |
| 03:44.04 | herlo | also, you could use cpio or something else that works well with streams |
| 03:48.22 | sontek | herlo: ahh, I see what my problem is |
| 03:48.38 | sontek | herlo: I was trying to use xargs earlier but no matter what I tried it'd tar .svn anyways |
| 03:48.51 | sontek | its because the find outputs '.' so its trying to tar everything |
| 03:48.56 | sontek | you know a way to ignore . ? |
| 03:49.42 | herlo | hmm |
| 03:49.48 | herlo | is it in your path? |
| 03:52.25 | sontek | find -wholename '.*svn' -prune -o -print finds a '.' |
| 03:55.19 | herlo | sontek: don't do the -print |
| 03:55.32 | herlo | everything else seems to work. -print is default anyway |
| 03:55.49 | herlo | oh, nm |
| 03:55.58 | herlo | let me look at it again... |
| 03:56.59 | herlo | $ find . -wholename '.*svn' -prune -o -print |
| 03:56.59 | herlo | . |
| 03:56.59 | herlo | ./.log |
| 03:56.59 | herlo | ./.log/preferred.log |
| 03:56.59 | herlo | ./.log/torrent.log |
| 03:57.01 | herlo | ./tags |
| 03:57.04 | herlo | ./tags/0.1 |
| 03:57.06 | herlo | ./tags/0.1/Makefile |
| 03:57.09 | herlo | ./tags/0.1/basht |
| 03:57.11 | herlo | ./tags/0.1/images |
| 03:57.14 | herlo | ./tags/0.1/images/basht.png |
| 03:57.16 | herlo | ./tags/0.1/media.types |
| 03:57.19 | herlo | ./tags/0.1/parse_enclosure.xsl |
| 03:57.21 | herlo | ./tags/0.1/parse_title.xsl |
| 03:57.24 | herlo | ./tags/0.1/preferred.list |
| 03:57.26 | herlo | ./tags/0.1/rssfeed.list |
| 03:57.29 | herlo | ./trunk |
| 03:57.31 | herlo | ./trunk/Makefile |
| 03:57.34 | herlo | ./trunk/basht |
| 03:57.36 | herlo | ./trunk/docs |
| 03:57.39 | herlo | ./trunk/docs/INSTALL |
| 03:57.41 | herlo | ./trunk/images |
| 03:57.44 | herlo | ./trunk/images/basht.png |
| 03:57.46 | herlo | ./trunk/media.types |
| 03:57.49 | herlo | ./trunk/parse_enclosure.xsl |
| 03:57.51 | herlo | ./trunk/parse_title.xsl |
| 03:57.54 | herlo | ./trunk/preferred.list |
| 03:57.56 | herlo | ./trunk/rssfeed.list |
| 03:57.59 | herlo | seems to work for me |
| 03:58.55 | herlo | sontek: are you trying then to do | xargs tar cvf /tmp/somefile.tar ? |
| 04:08.01 | undertakingyou | Heartsbane: ping |
| 04:19.49 | Heartsbane | undertakingyou: yes |
| 04:19.59 | Heartsbane | sorry |
| 04:20.02 | Heartsbane | undertakingyou: pong |
| 04:21.45 | undertakingyou | Heartsbane: I am trying to set up some iptables stuff |
| 04:21.53 | Heartsbane | undertakingyou: oh cool |
| 04:21.56 | undertakingyou | wondering if I can see that script |
| 04:22.18 | Heartsbane | um which one my current one, or a early revision |
| 04:22.30 | Heartsbane | bah I can pastebin.ca one for you |
| 04:22.34 | Heartsbane | hold on |
| 04:22.36 | undertakingyou | I guess current. |
| 04:22.38 | undertakingyou | cool |
| 04:22.55 | Heartsbane | the current one is under revision |
| 04:23.04 | Heartsbane | and need to be cleaned |
| 04:23.17 | sontek | herlo: yes |
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| 04:23.55 | undertakingyou | Heartsbane: OK, really I need to look at some rule examples |
| 04:25.11 | sontek | herlo: look at your first result, its . which means current dir |
| 04:25.20 | herlo | sontek: yeah, its weird, I think its related to the -o option |
| 04:25.23 | herlo | in the find |
| 04:25.24 | sontek | herlo: so if you pass it to xargs tar its going to tar everything |
| 04:25.29 | herlo | sontek: right |
| 04:25.38 | herlo | because of the -o option |
| 04:25.42 | herlo | -o is or |
| 04:25.47 | Gate | hahahahaha. godaddy totally foobar'd my whois information |
| 04:25.49 | herlo | but I figured you knew that |
| 04:26.04 | herlo | Gate: don't use godaddy, use tosdomains.net, they rock |
| 04:26.11 | Gate | never heard of them |
| 04:26.21 | undertakingyou | Gate: I have found that godaddy is special in that way |
| 04:26.27 | Gate | hehe |
| 04:26.30 | sontek | I have over 15 domains all with godaddy |
| 04:26.46 | herlo | sontek: godaddy is okay, but tosdomains is better :)_ |
| 04:26.49 | undertakingyou | godaddy has a really simple interface which is nice |
| 04:26.54 | Gate | I really don't mind having fracked up information. makes it harder for a perl script to whois my information for tidbits |
| 04:26.56 | herlo | that _ is a ciggy |
| 04:26.58 | undertakingyou | easy to manage domains |
| 04:27.42 | herlo | undertakingyou: I did godaddy for my ssl cert, was pretty easy, except I'd never done one before so it was kind a tricky for me |
| 04:29.34 | undertakingyou | I have never set up SSL before. I will figure it out though |
| 04:32.05 | herlo | undertakingyou: its pretty easy |
| 04:32.15 | herlo | undertakingyou: for what UTOS is doing, it won't even be bad... |
| 04:32.36 | Gate | undertakingyou: ssl is easy compared to getting the campus firewall guys to open port 443. |
| 04:32.48 | herlo | Gate: that seems dumb |
| 04:40.45 | sontek | herlo: I decided to be a slacker on the command |
| 04:40.57 | sontek | herlo: ls | xargs tar -cvf release.tar |
| 04:40.58 | herlo | sontek: and do what I originally suggested? |
| 04:41.08 | herlo | sontek: haha, yup |
| 04:41.29 | herlo | sontek: that's not a bad command though |
| 04:41.53 | sontek | but find outputs the '.' without the -o |
| 04:41.56 | herlo | the power of find stops when you want to tar something... |
| 04:42.00 | herlo | sontek: I know |
| 04:42.04 | sontek | I was gonna try find . |grep -v svn |
| 04:42.14 | sontek | but it still outputted . |
| 04:42.16 | herlo | but that's more typing |
| 04:48.54 | undertakingyou | I'm having some iptables issues. Any gurus here that can help? |
| 04:50.13 | herlo | undertakingyou: what do you need help with |
| 04:50.51 | undertakingyou | I need to vnc into work. I can't normally do it unless I have firestarter on. I want to just have an iptables rule that will do this. I can't seem to get it to work |
| 04:51.06 | herlo | undertakingyou: do this rule |
| 04:51.25 | herlo | iptables -I INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT |
| 04:51.37 | herlo | undertakingyou: you should probably first see if that rule is already there... |
| 04:51.57 | undertakingyou | herlo: it isn't. I don't see it with iptables -L |
| 04:52.13 | sontek | herlo: so did you ever checkout my implementation of the bash torrent downloader? |
| 04:54.25 | herlo | sontek: not yet, but I will |
| 04:54.28 | undertakingyou | herlo: is there any other rules? |
| 04:55.46 | herlo | undertakingyou: well, so that didn't do it? |
| 04:56.01 | herlo | undertakingyou: next thing is to determine what ports vnc runs on |
| 04:56.22 | herlo | probably the easiest way to do this is to run the following |
| 04:56.55 | herlo | getent services |
| 04:57.05 | herlo | but I just discovered on my box its not there |
| 04:57.15 | undertakingyou | I added both input and output rules for the destination and port range |
| 04:57.15 | herlo | getent services | grep -i vnc |
| 04:57.25 | herlo | undertakingyou: you don't need output rules usually |
| 04:57.26 | undertakingyou | I know the ports |
| 04:57.29 | herlo | what's your policy |
| 04:58.17 | undertakingyou | I did iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 5900:5950 -s [public ip] -j ACCEPT |
| 04:58.25 | undertakingyou | ok |
| 04:58.37 | herlo | ahh |
| 04:59.24 | herlo | undertakingyou: the -s represents the source of the originating packet. unless your public ip address is the place where the vnc client originates, that's not the right spot... |
| 05:00.35 | undertakingyou | http://www.pastebin.ca/753367 |
| 05:00.44 | undertakingyou | the public ip is works ip. |
| 05:00.47 | undertakingyou | It is static |
| 05:01.00 | undertakingyou | I thought I shouldn't post it to the public :) |
| 05:03.24 | Heartsbane | undertakingyou: http://blog.slepp.ca/contact/request-paste-removal/ |
| 05:03.25 | herlo | undertakingyou: no worries |
| 05:03.54 | herlo | undertakingyou: okay, again, is the vnc client running on that ip address ? |
| 05:04.13 | undertakingyou | the server is |
| 05:04.15 | undertakingyou | yes |
| 05:04.21 | herlo | undertakingyou: no, not the server, the client |
| 05:04.29 | undertakingyou | I am the client |
| 05:04.33 | herlo | the server is running on your firewall? |
| 05:04.39 | undertakingyou | ?? |
| 05:04.44 | herlo | okay, hold on |
| 05:04.46 | herlo | so |
| 05:05.10 | herlo | you're saying that you've got a machine inside your firewall with an ip address of (lets say) 192.168.0.4 |
| 05:05.13 | herlo | and |
| 05:05.17 | undertakingyou | Heartsbane: Love the link, what is it for? |
| 05:05.32 | Heartsbane | removing a pastebin.ca post |
| 05:06.10 | herlo | you've got a firewall on the outside world that has nating capability so it has two ip addrs one on the inside 192.168.0.5 (internal) and 72.3.4.5 (public) |
| 05:06.42 | undertakingyou | with you so for |
| 05:06.45 | undertakingyou | far |
| 05:06.55 | herlo | and then, you've got your box, which is where the vnc client will attempt to connect from. Its outside the firewall and at your home. Its public ip address is 89.9.0.4 |
| 05:06.58 | herlo | so |
| 05:07.13 | Heartsbane | Well the external part works.. I can connect for authenication |
| 05:07.43 | herlo | the server runs at 192.168.0.4 and you want 89.9.0.4 to connect through 72.3.4.5 to the server? |
| 05:07.43 | undertakingyou | Heartsbane, yeah. I have all the nat stuff set up |
| 05:08.07 | herlo | undertakingyou: and so my question is, is that correct |
| 05:08.25 | undertakingyou | yeah. |
| 05:08.36 | undertakingyou | I have the nat stuff set up at work |
| 05:08.43 | herlo | undertakingyou: yeah, that's fine |
| 05:08.52 | undertakingyou | And I can connect if I use firestarter |
| 05:09.03 | undertakingyou | I just would rather not use firestarter |
| 05:09.06 | herlo | undertakingyou: okay, so the next question is where are you setting up these current iptables rules? |
| 05:09.17 | herlo | undertakingyou: right, just hang on a bit |
| 05:09.18 | undertakingyou | on my home machine |
| 05:09.24 | undertakingyou | :) |
| 05:09.26 | herlo | for the client, or the server? |
| 05:09.30 | undertakingyou | clien |
| 05:09.33 | undertakingyou | t |
| 05:09.34 | herlo | why? |
| 05:09.57 | undertakingyou | for some reason, I can't connect from home unless a firewall is set up |
| 05:10.08 | herlo | that makes sense why you're having problems though |
| 05:10.29 | herlo | so I'm going to try to explain why its not working with the rules you have |
| 05:11.30 | herlo | since you are at home and want to send a packet *out* from your machine across the network to the public internet and then have the packets go to the server and back *in* to you, its possible that you're *not* using the ports you state |
| 05:11.51 | undertakingyou | ok |
| 05:12.12 | herlo | to start off with, no matter what your rules say, you're currently accepting all packets on the INPUT and OUTPUT chains |
| 05:12.33 | herlo | because both of them have an ACCEPT POLICY and you don't have any rules to DROP or REJECT packets |
| 05:12.58 | undertakingyou | I follow |
| 05:13.23 | herlo | if you run firestarter, it just creates rules using iptables, so its quite possible to look at the rules it sets and figure out what its doing to make it work |
| 05:13.26 | herlo | but |
| 05:13.34 | herlo | so |
| 05:14.16 | herlo | I'm curious if the packets going out are being blocked on the way back. From your current rules though, you shouldn't have any troubles... |
| 05:14.35 | herlo | do the following command for me and tell me the result |
| 05:14.43 | undertakingyou | -k- |
| 05:14.45 | herlo | lsmod | grep -i conn |
| 05:15.21 | undertakingyou | nf_conntrack_ipv4 19724 1 |
| 05:15.21 | undertakingyou | nf_conntrack 65288 2 nf_conntrack_ipv4,xt_state |
| 05:15.24 | undertakingyou | nfnetlink 6936 2 nf_conntrack_ipv4,nf_conntrack |
| 05:15.42 | undertakingyou | that formatted weird. |
| 05:15.52 | undertakingyou | there are 3 entries |
| 05:15.59 | herlo | okay, that looks good |
| 05:16.53 | herlo | so its obvious the packets are going out, but are they coming back... |
| 05:17.15 | herlo | do this |
| 05:17.41 | undertakingyou | when something is blocked does it take a second to do it. So some stuff comes through but then it stops? |
| 05:17.50 | herlo | iptables -Z INPUT; watch iptables -vL --line-numbers - Watch the packets on the incoming rules and see if anything comes back while you try to connect |
| 05:19.08 | Gate | herlo: got a sec? |
| 05:19.34 | Gate | i need a decent debian-to-redhat guide. |
| 05:19.49 | herlo | Gate: in what sense? |
| 05:19.53 | Gate | friend got a vps, needs to configure it and I am lost without apt-get |
| 05:20.12 | undertakingyou | herlo: nothing in the input rules that I set |
| 05:20.12 | herlo | Gate: yum is your friend, what version of redhat? |
| 05:20.15 | Gate | you know of a decent site/tutorial I could read? |
| 05:20.51 | Gate | checking |
| 05:20.54 | herlo | undertakingyou: so the question I ask is where are the packets stoping |
| 05:21.06 | herlo | s/pi/ppi/g |
| 05:21.31 | Gate | sigh. he gave me false info. its actually centos |
| 05:21.44 | herlo | undertakingyou: my bet is that they *should* be getting back to you, but its not |
| 05:21.50 | herlo | Gate: which version of Centos |
| 05:21.56 | Gate | centos 4 x86 64bit |
| 05:22.00 | herlo | Gate: I need a version to point you in the right direction |
| 05:22.01 | Gate | is all he can give me. |
| 05:22.06 | herlo | Gate: that's plenty |
| 05:22.27 | herlo | you'll need rpm. Yum is also helpful at that version |
| 05:22.47 | herlo | Gate: do a google search for centos 4 yum repository |
| 05:22.57 | herlo | should come up with a couple good tutorials... |
| 05:27.34 | Gate | minor problem with that. |
| 05:27.42 | Gate | he says yum isn't installed. |
| 05:30.44 | Gate | nevermind. he apparently got it done. |
| 05:35.27 | sontek | these are the steps I used to get yum on centos 5: http://rafb.net/p/cA0f7g64.html |
| 05:35.32 | sontek | i'm sure he could do similar |
| 05:37.29 | herlo | sontek: except yum in 5 is *much* improved |
| 05:37.45 | undertakingyou | herlo: I put on firestarter and have looked at the rules. Can you look and say which ones you think may be keepers? |
| 05:37.49 | undertakingyou | http://www.pastebin.ca/753387 |
| 05:38.03 | herlo | sure |
| 05:39.53 | Gate | thanks sontek |
| 05:42.37 | herlo | undertakingyou: probably the best thing to do with that list of rules is watch where the traffic you're sending is coming back through. You should still be able to zero out the chains and watch them. In this case though, you have 2 custom INPUT chains (INBOUND and LSI) and one custom OUTPUT chain (LSO) |
| 05:43.24 | herlo | undertakingyou: it seems though that the rules we put in place were close, but we're just missing something small |
| 05:43.50 | herlo | try making your rules not limit by source and see if that works... |
| 05:45.21 | undertakingyou | herlo: all right. THink that I should specify ports though? |
| 05:45.26 | herlo | yep |
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| 13:00.16 | Zelut | morning |
| 13:03.33 | mheath | Morning |
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| 14:39.20 | TechnoViking | test |
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| 14:51.32 | TechnoViking | test again |
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| 15:35.40 | tristanbob | atoponce: ping |
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| 15:40.39 | nearn_ | haha TechnoViking |
| 15:40.42 | nearn_ | haha |
| 15:44.06 | atoponce | tristanbob: pong |
| 15:44.39 | tristanbob | I have some gifts for your baby |
| 15:44.45 | tristanbob | how can I get them to you? |
| 15:44.59 | tristanbob | nearn: I saw that video too |
| 15:45.17 | nearn | comedy gold i tell ya. |
| 15:45.30 | atoponce | tristanbob: cool! hmm... i guess you could swing by |
| 15:45.49 | nearn | atoponce: is your new little hell raiser home now? |
| 15:45.58 | tristanbob | any meetings coming up that we can meet up at? |
| 15:48.02 | Zelut | This months meeting is a little.. in need of discussion again |
| 15:48.59 | atoponce | nearn: not quite. we're waiting for a call form the agency any moment now |
| 15:49.07 | atoponce | could be today, tomorrow, wednesday... |
| 15:49.19 | nearn | ohh man, I am so excited for you. |
| 15:49.39 | nearn | I must find linux baby clothes for her. |
| 15:49.52 | Yorokobi | thinkgeek.com has some fun baby clothes |
| 15:50.01 | atoponce | thx man. i'm totally going to thinkgeek one of these days... :) |
| 15:51.03 | atoponce | how do y get a list of installed packages on my system? dpkg --list? |
| 15:58.57 | nearn | or 'dpkg -l' |
| 15:59.06 | nearn | but that is the lazy verison. |
| 15:59.13 | atoponce | i'm all about lazy |
| 15:59.52 | nearn | and that is why linux commands rock. |
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| 16:28.48 | Zelut | anyone else find evolution painfully slow tied into gmail IMAP? |
| 16:30.32 | sontek | but I don't have imap yet |
| 16:30.51 | Zelut | its terribly slow so far |
| 16:31.18 | Yorokobi | gmail's imap support seems pretty spotty |
| 16:38.45 | mheath | Yeah.... |
| 16:38.52 | mheath | I haven't had the best luck with it, in several clients. |
| 16:41.08 | atoponce | it was rock solid friday and through the weekend for me. it's just today that i've been having issues with it |
| 16:43.02 | Zelut | it could be that I'm in a building with a ton of other geeks and getting a laggy connection.. |
| 16:43.09 | Zelut | but its been slow via mutt before getting here too |
| 16:44.43 | atoponce | hmm. restarted icedove, and it's flying now |
| 16:50.02 | Zelut | I'm thinking gmail is a great mail archive but I still don't know that I want to tie directly in.. |
| 16:55.52 | Yorokobi | Hooray for caffiene |
| 17:00.48 | maquis | Zelut: can you get christmas moved out a month? |
| 17:07.37 | herlo | maquis: you'll have to ask Santa methinks |
| 17:27.23 | maquis | herlo: :( |
| 17:30.40 | Gate | just divide by zero to create a black hole, then the time dialation will take care of that for you. |
| 17:45.11 | maquis | Gate: relativity should ensure that it doesn't work |
| 17:47.41 | Gate | well, if you are sufficiently far away from the black hole, time will appear to be moving far more slowly on Earth. so as long as you don't rip the planet to pieces in the process you can cause the planet to think that christmas is far in your future. |
| 17:55.28 | Gate | maquis: just use the Stargate. |
| 17:59.52 | maquis | Gate: ah... |
| 17:59.58 | maquis | so, you're saying i should leave earth |
| 18:03.36 | maquis | like in harry potter |
| 18:06.12 | Gate | I just need a TARDIS |
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| 18:31.43 | Zelut | ls |
| 18:31.46 | Zelut | erg |
| 18:31.56 | Zelut | I need to set that as an alias for /n |
| 19:03.02 | moriancumer | since upgrading to gutsy, I'm getting a permissions issue access music remotely |
| 19:03.48 | Zelut | what error? how are you accessing the music remotely? |
| 19:04.08 | moriancumer | I access my music, sudo ssh user@host "/path/to/mp3" | mpg123 - |
| 19:04.22 | moriancumer | and I get the following error |
| 19:04.40 | maquis | moriancumer: sorry... just coming in in the middle of stuff... but why do you "sudo ssh user@host"? |
| 19:04.44 | maquis | what's the point of the sudo? |
| 19:04.54 | Zelut | I'm wondering that as well |
| 19:04.59 | moriancumer | bash: file.mp3 Permission Denied |
| 19:05.27 | maquis | moriancumer: also, it looks like you're trying to run the mp3 as an executable |
| 19:05.28 | moriancumer | to remotely listen to my music at home while at work |
| 19:05.45 | maquis | chances are very good that your mp3s are not executable, and i have no idea what they would do if they are... |
| 19:05.48 | Zelut | moriancumer: I use gnump3d for a web interface for that.. |
| 19:05.50 | moriancumer | sorry don't need sudo |
| 19:06.10 | maquis | moriancumer: i think what you want to do is: |
| 19:06.22 | maquis | ssh user@host "mpg123 /path/to/mp3" |
| 19:06.30 | maquis | (or something to that effect) |
| 19:07.01 | moriancumer | maquis: that plays the file on the host not the remote |
| 19:07.13 | moriancumer | doesn't it? |
| 19:07.25 | moriancumer | I'll try |
| 19:07.25 | maquis | moriancumer: what? |
| 19:07.33 | maquis | it will play it on the remote host |
| 19:08.02 | maquis | oh... now i see what you're trying to do |
| 19:08.22 | maquis | i'm assuming that copying the mp3s over to your local machine is not an option? |
| 19:08.45 | Zelut | I would probably be lazy and do places > connect to server and setup an ssh connection that way over sftp |
| 19:08.59 | Zelut | then click-play your music on the gui.. but that doesn't address your issue. |
| 19:09.13 | maquis | Zelut: i think he's trying to play a remote mp3 file on the local machine |
| 19:09.26 | maquis | because he's running mpg123 on the local machine instead of over ssh |
| 19:09.37 | Zelut | maquis: right. setting up an ssh connection will let him access the remote music and play it locally. |
| 19:10.26 | maquis | i guess i'm just confused on how that works... but sure |
| 19:11.29 | moriancumer | I'm running windows with cygwin locally |
| 19:12.05 | moriancumer | this used to work before the upgrade |
| 19:12.26 | Zelut | the method I've been using for a long time is gnumpd3 service on my remote server. gives me a web interface to my music and pipes out a .m3u playlist for remote playback. |
| 19:13.01 | moriancumer | I'll google gnumpd3 |
| 19:13.41 | Zelut | http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2006/12/28/how-to-setup-gnump3d-for-a-streaming-media-server-ubuntu-510-6061-610/ |
| 19:13.49 | moriancumer | thnx |
| 19:15.47 | maquis | moriancumer: running the mp3 file worked previously? |
| 19:20.23 | moriancumer | yes |
| 19:21.56 | maquis | hmmm... weird |
| 19:22.01 | maquis | last i checked, that shouldn't work |
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| 19:24.24 | moriancumer | maquis: it's been a while since I've done it, os maybe I have the syntax wrong, but I'm sure that's how I did it in the past. |
| 19:25.52 | moriancumer | I just think that the permissions thing is weird. should i get some other error if i'm accessing it wrong? |
| 19:29.34 | maquis | moriancumer: you can try using cat /path/to/mp3, and that might work |
| 19:29.42 | maquis | but it'll depend on your network... |
| 19:30.58 | Heartsbane | I blame cyclone |
| 19:33.17 | moriancumer | maquis: "cat" worked thanks. I can't believe I missed that, thanks. |
| 19:34.58 | maquis | np |
| 19:46.45 | cyclone | Heartsbane: :P |
| 19:47.15 | Heartsbane | we had a meeting your fault |
| 19:47.36 | cyclone | ? o_0 |
| 19:47.52 | Heartsbane | Welcome to monday Aaron |
| 19:48.28 | cyclone | Because of me you had a meeting? |
| 19:48.54 | Heartsbane | Yep |
| 19:48.54 | cyclone | and today is more like my wensday rather then my monday |
| 19:49.03 | cyclone | I was here 11 hours yesterday and 9 saturday |
| 19:49.24 | cyclone | but getting closer to releasing this |
| 19:49.45 | Heartsbane | You would |
| 19:50.52 | Heartsbane | Hey so you going to setup a QW server on antitech |
| 19:51.39 | cyclone | yeah.. but I gotta replace the memory in antitech |
| 19:51.42 | cyclone | it's been acting strange |
| 19:59.25 | cyclone | TechnoViking: Is that really gonna be your alias? :P |
| 20:03.41 | TechnoViking | TechnoViking: yup |
| 20:03.47 | cyclone | hehe |
| 20:03.59 | TechnoViking | all hail TechnoViking |
| 20:04.11 | cyclone | You totally gotta learn the dance moves then. |
| 20:04.45 | synic | and get all buff and grow a red beard. |
| 20:04.52 | cyclone | OH yeaahhh |
| 20:05.00 | cyclone | and.. gotta use the finger of doom |
| 20:07.32 | TechnoViking | cyclone: sudo aptitude install fingerofdoom |
| 20:07.57 | cyclone | lol |
| 20:08.19 | Heartsbane | I don't want to know where that installs to |
| 20:10.36 | cyclone | OH MY |
| 20:10.45 | cyclone | fingerofdoom.com |
| 20:10.52 | cyclone | beware.. it's uhmmm |
| 20:10.56 | cyclone | you be the judge |
| 20:12.36 | cyclone | Now when I give someone the fingerofdoom.. I'm gonna give them that link. |
| 20:12.48 | cyclone | It will destroy brain cells and make babies cry. |
| 20:14.46 | cyclone | Heartsbane: have you tried out that QW beta yet? |
| 20:16.13 | Heartsbane | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:16.24 | Heartsbane | I don't play many games nowadays |
| 20:16.32 | cyclone | why? |
| 20:16.43 | cyclone | You've been that busy? Or just not as interested? |
| 20:17.11 | Heartsbane | Not impressive and ever since competing regularly, mostly its just not interested |
| 20:17.40 | Heartsbane | when something you do for fun feels like a job, it is time to go fishing |
| 20:17.42 | cyclone | What was the last game you was doing competitivly? |
| 20:18.26 | Heartsbane | BF2: CAL/TWL |
| 20:18.39 | cyclone | dang.. I still haven't played that game. |
| 20:18.50 | cyclone | It would make my computer assplode. |
| 20:19.23 | Heartsbane | it just felt like a job... so I put down everything, and buried my head in other stuff |
| 20:19.39 | cyclone | dang :-/ |
| 20:19.47 | cyclone | had such a blast with BattleField |
| 20:20.05 | cyclone | back when the apache was hard to fly and required skill. |
| 20:20.07 | cyclone | THAT was fun |
| 20:20.11 | Heartsbane | some linux, some camping/fishing, some IFC/Sundance stuff |
| 20:20.23 | Heartsbane | ya It was fun |
| 20:21.08 | cyclone | Did they have helicopters in BF2? |
| 20:21.08 | Heartsbane | But Hey I had a good run, taking 2nd place in EverLAN in Colorado and competing in CAL/TWL |
| 20:21.35 | cyclone | 2nd place.. didn't that qualify you for CPL? |
| 20:22.01 | cyclone | Or they keep that out of the qualifications? |
| 20:22.13 | Heartsbane | that is where I won my Athlon 3400, when it was cutting edge... ya it did but ... So what? |
| 20:22.22 | Heartsbane | it didn't feel fun anymore |
| 20:22.29 | cyclone | jeezz.. always wanted to compete in CPL |
| 20:22.47 | cyclone | Would be a rush. ^_^ |
| 20:23.32 | Heartsbane | Hey we took out Paradigm Shift CAL 2nd place team, that was a rush, but that was among a couple highlights |
| 20:24.01 | cyclone | bet you was playing dad for the team again like it usually comes down to. |
| 20:24.08 | cyclone | That part isn't fun. |
| 20:24.28 | Heartsbane | But I still enjoy figuring something out in linux more... how is that for twisted |
| 20:24.45 | cyclone | What is this Linux you speak of? |
| 20:24.46 | cyclone | ;) |
| 20:25.29 | cyclone | Yeah.. Linux can suck you in like that, but I'm to addicted to gaming :( |
| 20:25.54 | cyclone | QW seems very team oriented and is available on linux. |
| 20:26.02 | cyclone | So it's MAJOR cool looking for me right now. |
| 20:26.12 | Heartsbane | cyclone: not me anymore, I have taken a backseat after this last P42 |
| 20:26.21 | Heartsbane | I am just looking for the fun |
| 20:26.24 | cyclone | Which I once again missed. |
| 20:26.58 | cyclone | Did you end up working at p42? |
| 20:27.15 | Heartsbane | but you would be surprised I recruited 3 people (older individuals like you and me) that are interested into learning more about linux and attending regular meetings |
| 20:28.01 | Heartsbane | ya until about the time of the Ubuntu Release Party at Paradise Cafe, which I was really looking forward to attending |
| 20:28.18 | Heartsbane | I told synic all your horrible secrets |
| 20:28.34 | Heartsbane | when I bumped into him there |
| 20:29.19 | peno | Heartsbane: you're like a linux missionary |
| 20:29.27 | cyclone | hah.. I don't have any horrible secrets. |
| 20:29.39 | cyclone | and if I did.. I think synic would be able to tell you more. ;) |
| 20:29.42 | Heartsbane | peno: that just made my stomach sick |
| 20:30.31 | cyclone | dang what competitions did they have at this last p42? |
| 20:30.35 | cyclone | and are those LAPTOPS? |
| 20:33.03 | Heartsbane | anyway I am going to go back to AES encryption on the gutsy alternate installer |
| 20:33.15 | cyclone | lol |
| 20:33.16 | peno | cyclone: CS:S, UT2K4, DoTA, TMN. |
| 20:33.19 | cyclone | alright.. uhmm you have fun with that sirl. |
| 20:33.28 | cyclone | peno: Damn :( |
| 20:33.35 | peno | Heartsbane: sorry. |
| 20:34.00 | Heartsbane | peno: its okay... I still want to find the guy that crimped 5 rollovers on a table |
| 20:34.14 | Heartsbane | well 5 different tables |
| 20:34.19 | cyclone | LOL |
| 20:34.21 | cyclone | at p42? |
| 20:34.23 | Heartsbane | ya |
| 20:34.30 | cyclone | awesome |
| 20:34.37 | Heartsbane | no |
| 20:34.54 | cyclone | I found him |
| 20:35.03 | cyclone | http://pics.protocol42.com/oct2007/oct20-001.jpg |
| 20:35.10 | cyclone | busted! |
| 20:35.19 | peno | har hra. |
| 20:35.43 | peno | I only fixed cables on the server trunk this time. |
| 20:35.56 | cyclone | Heartsbane: btw.. I got a call from someone I think a week ago.. I couldn't make out their name though. |
| 20:36.06 | cyclone | Heartsbane: They was calling me cyclone though. Was it you? |
| 20:36.16 | cyclone | Didn't sound like you. |
| 20:37.37 | cyclone | owell go back to your AES sexz0rsizes. I'll keep pretending to work here. |
| 20:37.54 | Heartsbane | cyclone: no |
| 20:38.10 | cyclone | It was something to do with this channel and going to lunch. |
| 20:38.18 | Heartsbane | cyclone: I would jabber you before I would track down your number |
| 20:38.19 | cyclone | That's all I got out of it.. any ideas possibly? |
| 20:38.39 | cyclone | I wonder if it was Zelut. :-/ |
| 20:38.50 | Heartsbane | it was Peno, he thinks it is fun to prank call |
| 20:38.51 | cyclone | I dunno.. no worries. |
| 20:38.55 | cyclone | LOL |
| 20:39.29 | peno | if I called cyclone, I wouldn't call him cyclone.. I'd call him.. well.. I can't say. |
| 20:39.36 | cyclone | hahaha |
| 21:09.22 | |phoenyx| | anyone know of any apartments (or duplexes or whatever) for rent in the american fork/pleasant grove area? |
| 21:11.51 | Supaplex | uhhhmmm... craigslist might |
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| 21:35.01 | Yorokobi | huh, kinda fun GPG directory encrypting tool: http://www.cipherdyne.org/gpgdir/ |
| 21:36.54 | Supaplex | just 'kinda' fun huh? |
| 21:37.27 | Yorokobi | Fun is relative |
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| 21:57.15 | Heartsbane | you hear the same thing out of serial killers |
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| 22:17.42 | Heartsbane | redbeard2: in Canada ay? |
| 22:20.32 | redbeard2 | Heartsbane: oui, oui |
| 22:20.34 | maquis | isn't it "eh?" |
| 22:20.52 | redbeard2 | haven't heard anyone say eh yet, actually. at least, not in english. |
| 22:20.58 | Heartsbane | redbeard2: montreal? |
| 22:21.22 | redbeard2 | Heartsbane: yeah. downtown montreal, in fact. and i'm glad i'm not driving. |
| 22:21.45 | Heartsbane | beautiful place |
| 22:21.58 | redbeard2 | i like it, especially on foot |
| 22:22.31 | redbeard2 | i went to a mall food court today for lunch. i'm glad i remembered my culinary french. |
| 22:22.40 | Heartsbane | my advice go out and enjoy yourself |
| 22:22.58 | redbeard2 | i went to a greek place and ordered a gyro... but i had to choose between poulet and beouf |
| 22:23.09 | redbeard2 | no agneau, unfortunately |
| 22:23.18 | Heartsbane | beouf |
| 22:23.26 | Heartsbane | just my preference |
| 22:23.39 | redbeard2 | yeah, that's what i went with. i don't think it's right to use poulet in a gyro |
| 22:23.53 | redbeard2 | then again, beouf isn't technically correct either, but it worked |
| 22:24.49 | Heartsbane | ya, oh well I enjoy vacationing Canada... I would consider living there, if I didn't detest the winter |
| 22:25.10 | redbeard2 | speaking of winter, it's warmer here than i expected |
| 22:25.18 | redbeard2 | which isn't to say it's warm, of course |
| 22:26.15 | Heartsbane | Yes when I was in Ontario up by Sault St. Marie it was in the high 80's in the end of September |
| 22:26.26 | Heartsbane | Odd |
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