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| 00:32.29 | Zelut | herlo: hmm.. ok |
| 00:32.45 | Zelut | herlo: I just took an hour and a half to walk home.. I'm out of shape lol |
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| 00:37.38 | Zelut | herlo: can you check some Thunderbird settings for me? I'm still having issues with my GL box. |
| 01:09.12 | Zelut | I think I got it.. |
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| 01:14.39 | Zelut | anyone use qemu? |
| 01:15.48 | _dac | is it ok to chat with ubuntu-utah folks? I'm in Texas... |
| 01:16.57 | Zelut | no problem here |
| 01:17.18 | _dac | great... |
| 01:17.42 | _dac | what part of utah is the group from? |
| 01:20.45 | _dac | are folks on this channel LDS? |
| 01:21.38 | Zelut | _dac: there are some LDS, yeah. not all though |
| 01:22.01 | _dac | ok,ty |
| 01:22.17 | Zelut | why do you ask? |
| 01:23.32 | _dac | I'm LDS, and have been for some 25 years, just curious about the LDS part? |
| 01:24.42 | _dac | I'm also 60 years old and have a son in Provo... |
| 01:25.50 | Zelut | makes sense then |
| 01:25.51 | _dac | I've been using ubuntu 7.04 about 3months... |
| 01:27.09 | fizz | Zelut: have you ever heard of/used the distro called backtrack? |
| 01:27.43 | _dac | been getting some info from ubuntu and kubuntu channels, but who does one trust, you know |
| 01:27.45 | Zelut | fizz: no |
| 01:28.03 | Zelut | _dac: well I hope you're enjoying it so far. |
| 01:28.22 | _dac | i am, thank you... |
| 01:28.24 | Zelut | _dac: you might want to read thru some of the archives here: http://ubuntu-tutorials.com |
| 01:28.43 | _dac | ok |
| 01:28.49 | Zelut | _dac: those are tutorials I put together pretty regularly. From simply tweaks to detailed writeups. |
| 01:29.06 | _dac | aiiright |
| 01:29.17 | fizz | it's been very useful for the work i've been doing lately. it's a live disto that is SLAX based. it's so handy though. |
| 01:29.22 | _dac | allright,ty |
| 01:29.49 | _dac | I'll check it out... |
| 01:30.37 | herlo | Zelut: I'm back |
| 01:30.52 | _dac | zelut, are you here most of the time? |
| 01:31.07 | herlo | Zelut: I had a pretty lengthy discussion with the guys at my TC today about the viability of Linux on the desktop... |
| 01:31.41 | herlo | Zelut: the big argument one guy had was that mp3s and movies couldn't be played out of the box. |
| 01:31.57 | Zelut | _dac: pretty regularly, yeah |
| 01:32.38 | Zelut | herlo: I'm sure the same could be said for windows 'out of the box' |
| 01:32.40 | _dac | ok, then |
| 01:32.40 | herlo | Zelut: so I pointed out (along with a couple others in the class) that what M$ does is lets you blindly install things that are proprietary |
| 01:33.01 | herlo | Zelut: true that, except for windows media player |
| 01:33.18 | herlo | can play both mp3s and dvds ootb |
| 01:33.27 | Zelut | herlo: yeah.. |
| 01:33.28 | herlo | thing is, that's not quite true |
| 01:33.43 | herlo | As I pointed out to him was really what happens |
| 01:33.54 | Zelut | if VLC was ootb installed I think we'd be ahead of what WMP can play |
| 01:33.59 | _dac | herlo, for what it's worth I use Linox 100% |
| 01:34.39 | herlo | is that the mp3 codec and libdvdcss codec are actually installed and you don't even know it. Now you're liable |
| 01:35.07 | herlo | in fact, one of the guys pointed out that in the EULAs you sign your life away to M$/Vendor most of the time anyway. |
| 01:35.14 | _dac | k bye |
| 01:35.15 | Zelut | yep |
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| 01:35.45 | herlo | I made the argument that at least with linux you install things with your eyes open. You know what's shady and what fully legit |
| 01:35.55 | herlo | or at least you should |
| 01:36.08 | herlo | we're an informist society |
| 01:37.41 | herlo | Zelut: I thought he was never gonna give up though... It was a tough sell, even though he's a true Linux user... |
| 01:37.51 | herlo | _dac, thx |
| 01:38.07 | herlo | not that he cares, since he's gone...but maybe.. |
| 01:38.31 | Zelut | so I wandered around town for an hour and a half on the way home. |
| 01:39.29 | herlo | on purpose? |
| 01:39.29 | herlo | Did you at least get a Subway map while you were out? |
| 01:39.29 | Zelut | yeah.. went by the WTC, went thru a few parks.. went to the Whole Foods Market and got dinner |
| 01:39.44 | herlo | Zelut: very nice |
| 01:39.59 | herlo | so have you figured out how to get over to bleeker street to take the subway tomorrow? |
| 01:40.27 | Zelut | no, didn't look. |
| 01:41.04 | herlo | Well you should figure it out, it makes traveling in NYC soo much easier. BTW, you can take the subway all the way to JFK |
| 01:41.22 | herlo | Zelut: what time is your flight out of NY? |
| 01:41.26 | Zelut | I'm going out of Newark, but I guess that's good to know for next time. |
| 01:41.31 | herlo | Oh, that's right youre doing EWR |
| 01:41.33 | Zelut | herlo: like 7:15pm or something.. |
| 01:41.51 | herlo | Zelut: you'll be riding the train out here probably then. It leaves from Penn Station |
| 01:42.09 | herlo | takes like 30 minutes or somthing. I'll be able to tell you on Wednesday |
| 01:42.17 | Zelut | ok |
| 01:42.39 | Zelut | so far I think NY is too much city for me |
| 01:44.43 | herlo | Zelut: we should go to Times Square for dinner. I think you'll enjoy that... |
| 01:45.58 | herlo | Zelut: NYC is a great place to visit, not so much for the whole living there thing |
| 01:46.19 | Zelut | living here would drive me crazy |
| 01:49.03 | herlo | me too |
| 01:50.12 | Zelut | brb |
| 01:51.11 | herlo | np, watching 4400 |
| 01:53.57 | Zelut | I just finished Big Love |
| 01:57.56 | Zelut | herlo: how do I connect to a VM on vnc? via the IP? |
| 01:58.22 | herlo | Zelut: first you need to turn on VNC in the console mode |
| 01:58.27 | herlo | you can use xm console |
| 01:58.47 | herlo | Zelut: what did you think of the last 2 eps? |
| 01:58.54 | herlo | Zelut: is there a third yet? |
| 01:59.36 | Zelut | herlo: the latest just finished on HBO tonite. |
| 02:00.30 | herlo | Zelut: ahh, I'll be dl'ding it later then... :) |
| 02:01.01 | Zelut | I've been dling some shows for a few weeks.. everything is slow :( |
| 02:03.11 | herlo | really? I wonder what's wrong with yours. I get them in an hour or two at most |
| 02:19.39 | Zelut | I've been doing these since before Boston.. it's pathetic. |
| 02:20.14 | Zelut | well I found a solution for the full screen.. almost right what I want |
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| 02:30.52 | herlo | Zelut: doing what? |
| 02:33.27 | herlo | Zelut: man, I want Kyle's ability |
| 02:37.10 | herlo | ~say herlo |
| 02:37.17 | jbot | herlo |
| 02:38.05 | herlo | Zelut: I'm cruious about your opinion regarding the delay on the notify script. Is 1:10 too long? |
| 02:39.44 | herlo | or 70 seconds |
| 02:40.31 | herlo | Thats the longest you'd have to wait to be notified and it seems really stable. I'm thinking I could make it run in a daemon mode, but think that's almost overkill |
| 02:46.10 | Zelut | delay for what? before it disappears? |
| 02:55.34 | herlo | Zelut: delay before you get the message when someone says your name. The script is run by a cron job that runs every minute |
| 02:55.57 | herlo | Zelut: also, could you say my name when you ask me a question? That way the script will notify me... (= |
| 02:57.03 | Zelut | herlo: test |
| 02:57.23 | herlo | Zelut: worked |
| 02:57.32 | Zelut | herlo: are you using the scp idea you mentioned? |
| 02:57.48 | herlo | Zelut: it could be as much as 1:10 (minutes) at most before I get the message. Do you think its too long? |
| 02:58.00 | Zelut | herlo: I'm sure using irssi over ssh complicates the notification. |
| 02:58.12 | Zelut | herlo: I'm sure a lot could happen in a 1:10.. |
| 02:58.34 | herlo | Zelut: yes, the scp idea. It works well |
| 02:59.10 | herlo | Zelut: true, but you'll just have 4 or 5 messages at once. I could slim it down to a daemon that sits on ssh maybe over a tunnel or something. |
| 03:00.27 | Zelut | herlo: post what you've got. I'd like to try it. |
| 03:01.26 | herlo | Zelut: will do it in the morning. I'm off to bed myself |
| 03:01.42 | herlo | writing an article right now about how bad APlus.net is... |
| 03:08.15 | Utah_Dave | hey, herlo. I bet this would get you some strange looks in your office! |
| 03:08.16 | Utah_Dave | http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/os-whistle/index.html?ca=dgr-lnxw97whistlework |
| 03:09.47 | herlo | Utah_Dave: you are such a dork! |
| 03:10.26 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 03:10.43 | Utah_Dave | I'm thinking of giving it a try when I get a little time this week. |
| 03:52.35 | herlo | okay, so I didn't go to bed. And I finished the rant. Happy reading |
| 03:53.48 | herlo | http://fedora-tutorials.com/2007/06/25/aplusnet-dont-buy-your-domain-from-them/ |
| 03:55.09 | SenorBrizzio | I bought my domains from omnis.com |
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| 04:20.28 | SenorBrizzio | herlo your stinking blog doesn't want to load |
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| 11:59.22 | Zelut | morning |
| 12:04.57 | herlo | Zelut: mornint |
| 12:05.02 | herlo | Zelut: you at the office already? |
| 12:07.34 | Zelut | herlo: yes |
| 12:08.06 | Zelut | I got my morning exercize too. |
| 12:08.44 | herlo | Zelut: you must love your job! :) |
| 12:12.32 | Zelut | I hope these machines can get a work unit done before we do the install labs today.. |
| 12:13.00 | Zelut | I guess this class might not be the best to roll that out in.. |
| 12:14.57 | herlo | Zelut: that's why you should have the script handy to reroll it... :) |
| 12:15.31 | Zelut | I wonder if it would be possible to collect current results (snapshot) and transfer to another machine.. |
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| 12:49.40 | herlo | probably... |
| 12:56.03 | Zelut | herlo: what is the difference in the 300 and 301? |
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| 13:01.33 | herlo | I think one of them doesn't include the exam |
| 13:01.53 | herlo | Zelut: look it up on RH Traiing website |
| 13:02.01 | herlo | s/ii/ini/g |
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| 13:08.17 | herlo | ~onjoin kissotdragon ew, I don't wanna kiss a dragon! |
| 13:08.17 | jbot | ok, herlo |
| 13:32.15 | herlo | Zelut: I've given away 25 or so Fedora 7 Live CDs in the past 2 wks on the road. Its great!! |
| 13:32.22 | herlo | Long live Open Source |
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| 13:49.34 | Zelut | herlo: nice. I have a small pile of Ubuntu CDs with me.. but those usually distribute better in newb classes |
| 13:56.57 | herlo | I found that being a Fedora ambassador in a RH class works well |
| 13:57.58 | herlo | Zelut: I've been constantly asked about Fedora and its feature set... |
| 14:02.04 | Zelut | herlo: what is the syntax to hot add a spare to an existing raid? |
| 14:04.57 | kissotdragon | you can' kiss the dragon the dragon kisses you SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS |
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| 14:50.03 | Zelut | nevermind |
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| 16:40.03 | herlo | Zelut: I think we need to figure out where to meet in Penn Station... |
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| 16:44.36 | Zelut | I still need to find Penn station |
| 16:46.47 | herlo | Zelut: do you have the map? Its on the Burroughs side of NYC |
| 16:48.01 | herlo | Zelut: 33rd st and 7th ave |
| 16:48.23 | herlo | Zelut: http://www.transitcenter.com/transitguide/hub_nyp.htm |
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| 16:58.59 | Zelut | herlo: looks easy enough to get to with the subway. |
| 17:00.08 | herlo | Zelut: yeah, we should meet somewhere in there because cell phones don't always work inside the subway |
| 17:02.11 | Zelut | everyone says the easiest to get to Newark Airport is just get a cab after the test too.. what did you do? |
| 17:02.22 | herlo | I went to JFK |
| 17:03.11 | herlo | Zelut: I'd say we meet near lost and found (across from tracks 13-16) - http://tinyurl.com/383os8 |
| 17:07.02 | Zelut | herlo: ok. hopefully i can find that :) |
| 17:07.20 | herlo | Zelut: see the URL? |
| 17:07.25 | Zelut | I have this guy in class that says he is the reason openSuse is 'open' |
| 17:07.27 | Zelut | herlo: yeah |
| 17:07.30 | herlo | its pretty easy |
| 17:08.20 | herlo | Zelut: oh yeah, how does he proclaim this? |
| 17:09.48 | Zelut | he said he wrote a paper back in the day when suse was closed, the developers met with him, sang some kum-bay-yah and opened suse. |
| 17:10.59 | Zelut | he says he wanted to call it 'geeko' but they went with suse.. |
| 17:11.16 | Zelut | I actually googled him and found some validating information.. |
| 17:11.22 | Zelut | http://www.linux-mag.com/id/1999 |
| 17:12.23 | Zelut | he's written all these for linux mag actually.. http://www.linux-mag.com/author/59 |
| 17:12.52 | herlo | So why is he in your class then? |
| 17:13.08 | Zelut | he needs his cert apparently.. |
| 17:16.22 | herlo | I see |
| 17:16.25 | Zelut | man these students bitch and moan a lot |
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| 17:29.03 | maquis | Zelut: they're students... what do you expect? |
| 17:29.31 | Zelut | maquis: a little more respect for the teacher! |
| 17:30.02 | maquis | :) |
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| 19:03.47 | atoponce | when doing ':%s/value1/value2/c' in vim, it's only finding one instance per line. why? |
| 19:04.39 | Zelut | herlo: I also have a guy in my class on the fedora planet. |
| 19:05.37 | Yorokobi | atoponce, /c is confirm each, yes? |
| 19:05.43 | atoponce | Yorokobi: yes |
| 19:05.46 | Yorokobi | use /cg |
| 19:05.51 | atoponce | g for? |
| 19:05.58 | Yorokobi | global |
| 19:06.10 | Yorokobi | It'll match more than 1 per line |
| 19:06.24 | atoponce | ahh |
| 19:06.28 | atoponce | duh |
| 19:06.29 | atoponce | thx |
| 19:07.24 | Yorokobi | np |
| 19:31.38 | Utah_Dave | Are there any svn gurus in here? |
| 19:54.53 | maquis | Utah_Dave: not a guru, but i've used it |
| 19:56.20 | Utah_Dave | well, I've been getting a little help in #uphpu, but nobody has been able to give me a great answer yet |
| 19:56.38 | [phoenyx] | what's your issue? |
| 19:56.47 | Utah_Dave | I'm working on a little python project, I'm developing it on Linux |
| 19:57.08 | Utah_Dave | I have a few changes/additions to make it work well on Windows |
| 19:57.35 | Utah_Dave | I'm trying to figure out the best way to set it up in Subversion so I can work on the LInux version in trunk (or wherever) |
| 19:57.48 | Utah_Dave | and then merge all new changes into the Windows version |
| 19:58.55 | Utah_Dave | It was suggested I keep it all in one codebase and do checks for the OS |
| 20:00.11 | Utah_Dave | I'm thinking that may be the way to go |
| 20:00.15 | maquis | Utah_Dave: there are pros and cons to keeping things in one codebase |
| 20:00.39 | maquis | it does depend on how many changes there will be, though |
| 20:01.32 | maquis | if you do keep it in one codebase, i'd suggest using #defines to tell the difference, and just building it for each separately |
| 20:01.45 | Utah_Dave | ok |
| 20:01.46 | herlo | Zelut: cool beans |
| 20:01.49 | Utah_Dave | thanks, maquis |
| 20:01.53 | maquis | Utah_Dave: np |
| 20:03.11 | Zelut | herlo: finished at 4:00 today and I'm worn out |
| 20:03.31 | herlo | Zelut: wow, you went fast. I can never get done that early... |
| 20:03.59 | maquis | *yawn* |
| 20:08.05 | herlo | maquis: bleh |
| 20:08.18 | herlo | maquis: go away, you and your tired geekgirl body |
| 20:08.22 | Hunding | naptime? |
| 20:10.35 | maquis | Hunding: long week |
| 20:10.55 | Hunding | oh I hear that...I am so done for today... |
| 20:13.31 | Zelut | I am done for the day to. I'm going home when everyone leaves |
| 20:13.57 | herlo | maquis: its only tuesday |
| 20:16.42 | maquis | herlo: true... but it's a tuesday that didn't have a weekend near it |
| 20:27.28 | atoponce | so, as you grow a file in vim, you can fold beneath the growth? |
| 20:28.26 | atoponce | if the text that you want to fold was on lines 1800-1893, but, you added a bunch of code above that, and the lines have changed to 1850-1943, and you try to fold that, it doesn't behave as expected |
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| 21:39.31 | raventh1 | congrats |
| 21:39.46 | raventh1 | i wish i was finished for the day |
| 21:42.22 | herlo | raventh1: you didn't get up at 5am MDT either |
| 21:42.57 | raventh1 | nop |
| 21:43.06 | raventh1 | but i did have a crown done yesterday >:( |
| 21:43.13 | herlo | oh joy |
| 21:43.54 | raventh1 | one that took them roughly 8 tries to get it to cement properly, and when they wanted to clean up the excess cement the novacaine was wearing off... |
| 21:44.12 | herlo | ew! |
| 22:15.17 | herlo | Zelut: me too |
| 22:15.48 | Zelut | herlo: I'm glad I went to the whole food store because, man, I'm too tired to even feel like going out to eat |
| 22:17.11 | herlo | Zelut: wow, I hope you'll be up to it tomorrow night. I've got a great place picked out... |
| 22:17.36 | Zelut | herlo: this has been a fairly taxing class so far.. New Yorkers I guess.. |
| 22:18.55 | herlo | Zelut: yeah, I've been hitting it hard here too. We're getting a bit behind so I've gotta step on it... |
| 22:19.25 | Zelut | herlo: we did 5 yesterday and 4 today. that still leaves 4 the next two days. |
| 22:19.29 | Zelut | herlo: what class are you teaching? |
| 22:20.25 | herlo | Zelut: 133, only 11 chapters but I am apparently very long winded |
| 22:20.34 | Zelut | apparently :) |
| 22:20.58 | Zelut | so far I think I prefer the 133 or 033. This one is just full of know-it-alls, Unix guys and Solaris weirdos. |
| 22:21.50 | herlo | yeah, that happens sometimes. I've not really run into that... |
| 22:22.40 | Zelut | I can already tell who has a chance on the test.. and who should just stay home :) |
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| 22:31.30 | Zelut | nurn___: ping |
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| 22:46.24 | nurn___ | Zelut: pong |
| 22:47.05 | Zelut | nurn: we're scheduling the next meeting and I wanted to see if you still wanted to present.. since we screwed you on that last meet :( |
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| 22:47.44 | nurn | that is ok. I became so busy with work and a new girl that i lost about 4 weeks there. |
| 22:47.51 | nurn | when are we meeting next? |
| 22:48.06 | Zelut | nurn: July 14th |
| 22:48.23 | nurn | sounds good |
| 22:49.20 | Zelut | nurn: figured I'd give you first dibs since the last one fell through. |
| 22:49.33 | nurn | well thxz |
| 22:49.44 | Zelut | nurn: we're going to do it at sontek's office, 2300 S State. |
| 22:49.51 | nurn | sweet |
| 22:49.57 | nurn | can we bring beer? |
| 22:50.12 | Zelut | I know we can bring food.. might ask him on that. |
| 22:53.07 | nurn | heheh ok |
| 23:27.28 | maquis | *GRUMBLE* |
| 23:28.12 | herlo | Zelut: is that this Saturday? |
| 23:30.22 | maquis | and comes across what may be the only motivating poster they have there... |
| 23:30.30 | maquis | Potential... |
| 23:32.33 | [phoenyx] | "not everyone gets to be an astronaut when they grow up" ? |
| 23:40.08 | maquis | :) |
| 23:49.07 | Zelut | herlo: two weeks into July |
| 23:51.43 | herlo | Zelut: I saw. I just had to read...got a little ahead of myself... |
| 23:51.58 | Zelut | herlo: I should post an announcement today before I forget |
| 23:52.16 | herlo | Zelut: found the train station tonight. Not too far from the TC. Should be able to be downtown by 7:15-7:30. Work for you? |
| 23:53.06 | Zelut | herlo: uhm, probably.. someone mentioned where the subway was but I didn't look for it. |
| 23:53.27 | Zelut | herlo: I'll look tomorrow and I can get the subway to penn station at madison sq garden |
| 23:55.28 | herlo | yeah |
| 23:55.56 | herlo | cool, easy enough. MSG is close by so worst case scenario, come out of the subway and call me |