IRC log for #ubuntu-utah on 20070521

00:16.49clutchmmfizz: I know a bit about web development
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00:23.50clutchmmherlo: I checked out instalinux.com but I don't think it's quite what I'm looking for. My dad is wanting to create his own install disk that he can use as a backup and will have everything he currently has including his KMV fix which was done with a couple of terminal commands and no downloads, I also thought I could use it to backup my linux system as is so I can get a bigger hdd and this time give more space(or all of it) to linux without having to d
01:18.46Zelutwell if anyone was wondering, yes it rains like crazy in seattle
01:38.10clutchmmZelut: you in Seattle now? I went there last October for a few days, I wanted to stay longer once I got there
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02:10.29Zelutclutchmm: yeah, all checked in now
02:13.26herloZelut: they have a cheesecake factory
02:14.53Zelutherlo: treo is rad.
02:15.14Zeluthey, you might be a geek if the first thing you do when you check in a hotel is get online.
02:15.59herloZelut: for sure
02:16.58herloZelut: did you like my Fedora article on Tbird 2.0?
02:25.56clutchmmherlo: you are going to my hometown
03:09.05herloclutchmm: Troy?
03:09.55herlopoor Zelut, lost his connection
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03:13.50clutchmmherlo: I thought you said Detroit
03:14.46herloclutchmm: well, I'm landing in Detroit, then heading to Troy
03:15.02clutchmmoh
03:15.30herloclutchmm: any suggestions for dining?
03:16.29herloEven if its in Detroit, thats fine.  I'm gonna try to hit a Tigers game anyway
03:18.53clutchmmbob evens or big boy if they are still around have good food
03:19.39clutchmmif you can find a sign of the beef carver they are good too
03:20.10herloclutchmm: cool
03:20.12herlotx
03:20.55herloclutchmm: is it called 'the beef carver'?
03:21.48clutchmmyeah, that might be it
03:22.11clutchmmI haven't been there in years
03:22.12herloI have no idea.  was just clarifying
03:22.28herloI'l check tonight
03:22.34herloor tomorrow
03:22.55herlotx
03:23.01clutchmmcool, I'll probably be on late tonight so let me know
03:23.03clutchmmnp
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03:49.42Hearts|LaptopThis battery just keeps getting worse
03:49.53Hearts|LaptopI guess that is my que to leave
03:49.55Hearts|Laptopnight all
03:54.54baensclutchmm: that password problem you are seeing is a window's problem I believe...and how to fix it im looking up right now
04:05.28baensclutchmm: hmm, ok I can't find the fix right now, but i wouldn't worry about it, it does happen and somewhere theres something you can do to fix it but right now I can't find it
04:05.47baensclutchmm: if it annoys you thou, just make it auto login
04:08.30clutchmmbaens: it's not that bad, I just thought it might be a glitch
04:08.30clutchmmI'll be right back
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04:11.10Utah_Davedoes anybody here have experience using ipods with feisty?>
04:11.21baensUtah_Dave: i do
04:11.21Hunding_I have
04:11.27clutchmmwell that didn't work either
04:11.52baenswhat didn't work?
04:12.18YorokobiUtah_Dave, yup
04:12.50Utah_Davewell, I used to get little popups when I'd plug my ipod in asking if I wanted Amarok to manage it
04:13.02Utah_DaveI didn't say yes, because I was afraid of hosing my ipod
04:13.09clutchmmI installed frostwire with their .deb package and used the force architecture command in dpkg and when I try to start it my hdd light flashes a couple of times and nothing happens
04:13.22clutchmmI just tried a reboot and still nothing
04:13.29Utah_Davewell, I'm ready to take the plunge, but now it doesn't recognize my ipod
04:13.36Utah_DaveIn fact, it doesn't mount it like it used to
04:14.13Utah_DaveI'm not sure where to start
04:15.39baensUtah_Dave: does dmesg say anything about the ipod being connected?
04:15.51clutchmmin fact azureus does the same thing
04:16.10baensclutchmm: can you run them from the command line and see if they complain about anything
04:16.28clutchmmwith sudo frostwire?
04:16.38baensclutchmm: just frostwire
04:16.57baensclutchmm: and so with your vm sound thing, what volume level is set inside the vm it's self?
04:17.14Utah_Davebaens: it has some entries about the ipod.  What am I looking for exactly?
04:17.57clutchmmbaens: the win2k sound is all the way up, I couldn't find a volume control in vmware
04:18.22baensclutchmm: have you tried turning it down on the win2k side and see if that helps at all?
04:18.30baensclutchmm: i have mine set 1/3 of the way up
04:18.58clutchmmbaens: yes
04:19.13clutchmmwin2k is too quiet
04:19.16baensUtah_Dave: does it say something like this http://paste.f-box.org/136
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04:19.36baensclutchmm: ooo, sorry got it switched :)
04:19.45clutchmmand frostwire in the terminal says:OOPS, unable to locate java exec in  /opt/  hierarchy You need to upgrade to JRE 1.5.x or newer from http://www.java.com
04:20.02Utah_Daveoh, just notice my ipod is frozen
04:20.12baensclutchmm: did you install the jre from the ubuntu repos?
04:20.25clutchmmalso says that java is out of date, but frostwire updated it to runtime 6
04:20.28baensclutchmm: and also for the sound...is wave and sw synth full?
04:20.50baensclutchmm: if you try to do `java` what does it do?
04:21.48clutchmmjava gives me a list of options for it
04:21.57baensclutchmm: k type `which java`
04:22.26clutchmm/usr/bin/java
04:22.51baensclutchmm: k type this `sudo update-alternatives --config java` and select the sun package
04:23.22baensUtah_Dave: is it unfrozen yet?
04:23.51Utah_Davejust reset it, and plugged it back into my laptop
04:24.02baensUtah_Dave: did that help or is it still acting that way?
04:25.22Utah_Davebaens: well, now when I plug it in, it doesn't start charging or indicate that it knows it's plugged in
04:25.40baensUtah_Dave: 0_o....that can't be a good sign...
04:26.04Utah_Davebaens: Yeah, it's got me a little worried too
04:26.10baensUtah_Dave: i hate when iPods don't work the way they should :)
04:26.11clutchmmbaens: frostwire works now, let me check the mid and wav volume on win2k vm
04:26.22baensclutchmm: cool
04:26.31baensUtah_Dave: does dmesg say anything werid about usb or anything?
04:27.27Utah_DaveI'm getting something repeating about " sdb READ CAPACITY  failed
04:27.56baensUtah_Dave: try a different port, or try and plug some other usb device in
04:29.04Utah_Davebaens: I tried another port and still nothing happened
04:29.32baensUtah_Dave: same thing in dmesg?
04:29.44Utah_Daveyep
04:30.26baensUtah_Dave: any other usb devices you can try to use or is that the only one?
04:31.41Utah_Davebaens: ah, my usb drive isn't working either
04:31.48Utah_Daveshould I reboot?
04:31.56Utah_Daveor is there a way to restart the usb services?
04:32.08baensUtah_Dave: ya reboot
04:32.17baensUtah_Dave: looks like the usb driver probably died (happens sometimes)
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04:33.27baensclutchmm: any luck on sound?
04:36.59clutchmmI'm just about to test it
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04:37.53Utah_Daveok, baens, should I have amarok started before I plug my ipod in?
04:38.58baensUtah_Dave: i *believe* it automatically finds the iPod so you don't need it started, however i've never used amarok to manage my iPod I usually use gtkpod
04:39.10clutchmmbaens: say my name, I think I got it
04:39.21baensclutchmm: do you have it yet?
04:39.54Utah_Davethere we go
04:39.54clutchmmfor some reason that didn't make any noise
04:39.58baensclutchmm: 0_o hmm wonder why
04:40.10baensUtah_Dave: cool, so looks like your usb just crapped out for a sec
04:41.03Utah_Daveyeah, it's working now
04:41.11baensgreat
04:41.40Utah_Davethanks for your help!
04:42.01baensnp, just told you the easiest fix in the book, reboot :)
04:43.03Utah_Daveyep!  :)
04:43.09clutchmmbaens: that's weird I used the workaround that was supposed to fix the mixing problem but while I just had a program open in win2k I had no sound on linux and when I closed it I had sound again
04:43.30baensclutchmm: interesting...
04:43.45clutchmmyup sound is back
04:43.52baensclutchmm: ya, i don't get why, but sound sharing in linux is a pain in the butt
04:44.05baensclutchmm: i still haven't figure out the magic to get it all working
04:45.02clutchmmI found a supposed fix with alsa-oss that seemed fine until I just changed the volume levels on win
04:46.14clutchmmwell, at least frostwire is working now, and it seems to be what I was looking for, I tried amule once but it was confusing as hell
04:46.31baensclutchmm: cool, i have found that i have that same problem and as soon as I found a fix I will let you know
04:46.47clutchmmcool
04:47.27clutchmmis Heartsbane also hearts|laptop?
04:50.56baensalright, time for bed, yay for work in the morning! Night
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13:51.37npowellHave any of you had a problem like this: /opt/firefox/run-mozilla.sh: line 166: /opt/firefox/firefox-bin: No such file or directory
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13:52.47scottymuseJust when you are typing something to respond, they up and leave!  Very rude.
13:53.59Hunding_you only get 1 min to answer...
13:54.33Hunding_new time rules here in #ubuntu-utah...did you not get the memo?
13:55.03scottymuseNo, I got kicked out for the weekend and didn't notice.  Leave for a couple of days...
13:56.11Hunding_well your up to speed now...don't forget one min. otherwise don't even try!!
13:56.59scottymuseI'd respond but it would probably take longer than a minute :)
14:24.17atoponce~onjoin npowell npowell: people are willing to answer your questions, you just need to hang around longer than 1 minute to receive them
14:24.17jbotatoponce: ok
14:25.20baensok, is there a manual for jbot?
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14:25.55atoponcejust ~help
14:26.04atoponceand ~help <topic>
14:26.06atoponcethat's about it
14:26.11baensah, was wondering where everyone was getting their tricks from
14:26.21baensseems like that bot has endless features lol
14:27.46atoponceit's the most bloated bot in the world
14:28.29baens~help
14:32.38nurnmorning guys
14:34.25atoponcemoin
14:34.35baensmorning
14:34.48Yorokobiohayou gozaimasu
14:34.54nurnhow are you all today?
14:35.13atoponcesore
14:37.17nurnI am about the same.
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15:16.49sontekwelcome back!
15:17.41herlosontek: why thank you
15:17.55herlobut I'm only here temporarily
15:18.02sontekHows Michigan? =)
15:18.10sontekI want to go to MI :(
15:18.13herlountil my real fold gets folded
15:18.29sontekare you traveling through space and time?!
15:18.31herlosontek: chilly actually.  Probably not anymore, but it was...
15:18.48herlosontek: no, but my protiens are being folded one nanosecond at a time
15:19.13herloalmost
15:19.48sontekteach me!
15:19.48sonteksetup a podcast
15:19.48sontekI'll listen in
15:20.30herlonice idea
15:20.42herlobut since RH charges, I'd bet they'd frown on that...
15:21.20sontekIt'll be our little secret
15:21.59sonteknoooooo
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16:01.07Hundinganyone know what port RDC uses? VNC uses 5900 or 5901...but I can't seem to figure out what RDC uses
16:02.20Yorokobi3389, I believe
16:02.23YorokobiTCP
16:02.35Hundingkewl...thanks
16:03.42Yorokobihttp://support.microsoft.com/kb/832017 <-- Pretty much all ports used by MS products
16:03.43Hundingahhh...dang it!! I turned off the abilty to modify my router over the internet...
16:04.40baensHunding: do you have a computer on the inside that you can ssh into?
16:05.24Hundingthat is what I am talking on right now...I am in pocotello with my wife...pretending I am at work
16:05.46Hundingholiday for CA today...so no-one is around anyway
16:06.01baensaah
16:06.28Hundingsitting by the pool...watching the kids jump around like crazy...scaring the poor housekeeping staff
16:06.50baensim jealous :P
16:07.12Hundingoh...that is a good point...I can use the machine I am logged into right now to get into the router...good thinking baens !
16:07.56baensgo commandline browers :)
16:12.44Hundingok...so I think the win machine at home has crashed again...what else is new
16:13.00Hundinggood thing I don't keep anything important on it
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16:18.28clutchmmmorning guys
16:18.29baensmorning
16:23.22maquisthat it is...
16:24.16scottymusea rainy morning.
16:24.29maquisscottymuse: sorry
16:24.54baensbetter than a blistering hot one...
16:25.36herlobaens: depends on whether you've got a/c nearby
16:27.19scottymusewhat's that jbot weather function?
16:27.58baens~w 84088
16:28.00jbotACTION hold her/his/its fingers/phalanges/appendages in the form of a "w" and says "\/\/hatever 84088"
16:28.09baenslol not that...
16:29.14scottymuseha ha.
16:29.30baens!w 84088
16:29.32UtahBotWest Jordan, Utah; Updated: 10:25 (May 21, 2007); Conditions: Light Rain; Temperature: 57.0°F (13.9°C); High/Low: 70/41°F (21/5°C); Humidity: 76%; Dew Point: 50°F (10°C); UV: 2/16; Wind: NNE at 2.7 MPH (4.3 KPH)
16:30.05herlo!w 48084
16:30.07UtahBotTroy, Michigan; Updated: 12:16 (May 21, 2007); Conditions: Clear; Temperature: 59°F (15°C); High/Low: 65/48°F (18/8°C); Humidity: 51%; Dew Point: 41°F (5°C); UV: 10/16; Wind: East at 5 MPH (7 KPH)
16:30.22herloStrange weather here...
16:31.32maquis!w 98104
16:31.34UtahBotSeattle, Washington; Updated: 09:08 (May 21, 2007); Conditions: Overcast; Temperature: 48°F (9°C); Windchill: 46°F (8°C); High/Low: 58/45°F (14/7°C); Humidity: 93%; Dew Point: 46°F (8°C); UV: 1/16; Wind: SE at 6 MPH (9 KPH)
16:31.46Hunding!w 83021
16:31.47UtahBotThe requested city was not found.
16:32.04Hunding!w 83201
16:32.06UtahBotPocatello, Idaho; Updated: 10:31 (May 21, 2007); Conditions: Light Rain; Temperature: 47.9°F (8.8°C); Windchill: 45°F (7°C); High/Low: 53/28°F (11/-2°C); Humidity: 90%; Dew Point: 45°F (7°C); UV: 2/16; Wind: WSW at 6.9 MPH (11.1 KPH)
16:32.11herlomaquis: you should chat with Zelut, he's there this week
16:32.27maquisherlo: any idea which part?
16:32.30herloI'm guessing he's just starting class and not online
16:32.33scottymuse!84321
16:32.35herlomaquis: Bellevuew
16:32.37herlo-w
16:32.41maquisah
16:32.43maquiseast-side
16:32.45scottymuse!w 84321
16:32.47herlomaquis: righto
16:32.47UtahBotLogan, Utah; Updated: 09:51 (May 21, 2007); Conditions: Light Rain; Temperature: 50°F (10°C); High/Low: 46/28°F (7/-2°C); Humidity: 86%; Dew Point: 46°F (8°C); UV: 2/16; Wind: West
16:33.08maquisherlo: you guys ever come to downtown?
16:33.29herlomaquis: yeah, in places like Chicago or New York
16:33.38herlobig cities, you know?
16:33.40maquishrm... i was thinking more around seattle
16:34.02herlomaquis: I think Bellevue is the closest we get...
16:34.09clutchmmI was in Seattle last October
16:34.25maquisi told my manager that if there was ever an opportunity for rhce training, i would like to take the class... i also mentioned that i knew of a company that provided the training
16:34.40maquisapparently amazon doesn't see the need for their devs to have rhce, though
16:34.57maquishe said he'd keep an eye out for any linux-related training that he could get me in, though
16:35.47herlomaquis: I decided today (well, last night) to become a Fedora Ambassador.
16:35.57maquisherlo: what does that involve?
16:36.28herlomaquis: much like becoming an Ubuntu member, you've gotta agree with the standards set forth by the maintainers and such
16:36.48herlothen, once you've done that.  Then you have to contribute to the project by promoting Fedora...
16:37.14clutchmmWhen my wife and I went to Seattle there was a radio station that had a cruise around the Puget Sound, it was pretty cool, like a dance club on the water
16:37.43herloclutchmm: that sounds familiar, I think they do that reguarly
16:37.54herlos/ua/ula/g
16:38.20clutchmmit was for Halloween
16:39.21clutchmmI still have my tourist map for Seattle :)
16:40.05clutchmmWe plan on going back after we get the ins. worked out with our house
16:46.46clutchmmso, is NTFS writing with feisty pretty reliable?
16:47.53sontekclutchmm: yeah, ntfs writing has been stable for a few years now
16:48.26sontekclutchmm: just grab the package ntfs-3g
16:48.41clutchmmI haven't tried it yet, I just remembered the warning on the wiki
16:49.09clutchmmI have that installed already, I used it to mount my win2k partition
16:50.09sontekherlo: what company are you teaching in Troy?
16:50.14sontekherlo: do you go to Troy often? =)
16:53.50herlosontek: only my second time.  I am teaching for Red Hat.  Several companies are represented in the class...
16:58.38sontekherlo: ahh, My favorite datacenter is in Troy, The only reason I don't have a box there anymore is the distance
16:59.09sontekherlo: but if you were going to be in Troy a lot I was going to ask for your services
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17:33.16opapoI want to install Ubuntu on an old laptop
17:33.57sontekhurray
17:34.10synicman, bitlbee rocks.  Why oh why didn't I try it sooner.
17:34.45baenssynic: which parts of it are cool?
17:35.01sonteksynic: ever used centericq?
17:35.19sonteksynic: I think its a better interface for instant messaging
17:35.44synicsontek: yeah, didn't like it.  I've used a couple console clients
17:36.03synicI like bitlbee just because I IRC so much...
17:37.54sontekyeah, I love irssi for group chat (IRC) but for individual private conversations I think the interface is rather clunky
17:38.56synicI like how you can private message someone, or just talk to them in the "control" channel
17:41.57opapoHow hard is it to set up a server so clients can boot from the network?
17:44.50sontekopapo: easy, lookup PXE
17:45.52opaposontek: thanks
17:55.49opapoDoes a PXE client need more than 24MB of RAM?
17:56.56opapoThis is a 10 year old computer
18:00.01Yorokobiopapo, does this computer have a hard drive?
18:03.04opapoYorokobi: it has a harddrive, but I want to put Ubuntu on it and there is not the option of bootting from the cd
18:04.37herlosontek: nope, not here often enough for sure
18:04.53YorokobiIIRC, PXE and/or bootp require NICs that support them ...
18:04.55herlosontek: was here in Troy in Feb or something...
18:05.13herloopapo: you could use instalinux.com
18:05.39herloits a cool site that will let you build a bootable cd and I think usb too
18:06.10Yorokobi10-year old computers probably don't have USB
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18:10.30Yorokobiobsd, maquis. obsd
18:10.31synicheh, i installed it on my home machine.
18:10.41synicweirdest thing... it sees my sata drive, but not my IDE.
18:10.41maquisYorokobi: that's cool too
18:10.57maquisi have "The Ultimate OpenBSD" book from starch press
18:11.07YorokobiDitto
18:11.17YorokobiIt is a bit old but still a good reference
18:11.22synicI do think that openbsd has the best mascot, hehe
18:11.28maquisand it's getting me excited to play with bsd again
18:11.40maquisYorokobi: i got it for 2$ from a guy at work
18:11.54maquisappears pretty new, and in good shape
18:12.18YorokobiI bought the PDF from No Starch
18:12.25Yorokobi>$2
18:12.52maquisi like getting things for cheap off of for-sale
18:15.05opapoherlo: what kind of server do I need to point to?
18:15.23opapoOn step two it asks for a proxy server
18:15.48opapoI have a server that could be used as such, but I don't understand what I need it to do?
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18:39.50baensasdfasdf
18:39.50baens12:10 < maquis> i like getting things for cheap off of for-sale
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18:39.50baens12:12 < opapo> herlo: what kind of server do I need to point to?
18:39.50baens12:12 < opapo> On step two it asks for a proxy server
18:40.03Yorokobi?
18:40.33baensgeez stupid thing
18:40.40baenssorry client died very oddly
18:42.14opapohttp://www.instalinux.com/cgi-bin/coe_bootimage.cgi
18:42.37opapoThat is step two
18:42.44opapoThis is step one: http://www.instalinux.com/cgi-bin/coe_bootimage.cgi
18:42.54opaposorry it's backwards
18:44.01Yorokobiopapo, leave the proxy blank
18:44.32opapoYorokobi: thanks
18:44.41Yorokobiunless you're running an HTTP proxy that would interfere with your old computer's ability to get to the internet ...
18:45.43atoponcesynic: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~maverick/VimColorSchemeTest/
18:45.47opapothanks
18:49.05synicatoponce: nice
18:49.29atoponcetakes a bit to load, but pretty freaking cool once they've all loaded
18:49.39atoponcemaquis: you may like also
18:49.42Yorokobiatoponce, very nice
18:50.16atoponce:)
18:51.55opapoInstalinux doesn't work for me because I can't boot from the CD
18:52.26opapoCan I split a CD Image into multiple floppies?
18:53.02synicsee... now this is where openbsd shines.  You can install it from a single floppy
18:53.45YorokobiDoes Debian still have a floppy-based net install?
18:53.53synicyeah, but it's 6 floppies
18:53.57synicfreebsd is 4
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18:56.17opapoCan I not transfer an 8MB CD image to floppies and boot it that way?
18:56.42maquisatoponce: ooh
18:56.53atoponcenice, eh?
18:56.55maquiswhen firefox finishes crashing, i'll try that
18:57.00atoponceheh
18:57.11Yorokobiopapo, cd images and floppies are very different.
18:57.15atoponceyeah. it takes a while to load. there's a *lot* on those pages
18:57.20Yorokobiformat-wise
18:57.25maquisatoponce: oh... i haven't even looked at that page
18:57.39maquisi was trying to view something on our internal network here, and firefox hasn't recovered yet
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18:58.05atoponcemaquis: the root page is fine (the link i gave), it's browsing by filetype that takes a while
18:58.11atoponceZelut: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~maverick/VimColorSchemeTest/
18:58.37opapoYorokobi: I mean burn a CD Image, then parse out the files/folders onto separate floppies
18:59.16synicopapo: I doubt it would work... there's nothing on the CD that says "insert 2nd floppy"
18:59.30Yorokobiopapo, how would you know what was the correct order to put them on floppy, though?
18:59.53opaposad
19:00.04atoponceZelut: no irssi? what happened?
19:00.23Zelutatoponce: the irssi server is finally packed to get ready for renters.
19:00.38atoponceahh. i see
19:00.47Zelutatoponce: hopefully I can set it up in kaysville temporarily.. but until then :(
19:02.29synicZelut: you want a shell here until then?
19:03.47synicoff to lunch... bbiab
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19:07.37ZelutI wish I had a copy of my irssi confs mainly.
19:12.18herloZelut: ping
19:12.26maquisatoponce: these confs are for gvim, though
19:12.29maquisright?
19:12.49atoponcesome. not most
19:13.02atoponcethey are all the color schemes found on vim.org
19:13.05atoponceso, they inclued everything
19:13.19maquisah
19:13.31Zelutherlo: pong
19:15.29herloZelut: what'd you need earlier?  Sorry I couldn't respond...
19:18.16Zelutherlo: I figured it out.
19:19.52herloZelut: I was just wondering because you didn't respond back...
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19:23.39Zelutherlo: I'm not at a RH facility this week, but its still pretty nice.
19:24.07herloZelut: oh
19:24.19herloZelut: are you in Bellevue?
19:24.57ZelutKirkland / Bellevue.
19:25.06herloZelut: okay, nice area
19:25.53clutchmmis it possible to change the size of my partitions to add more space to my linux partition without losing my data?
19:29.26herloZelut: sent, enjoy the food there.  You must have the seafood, its awesome!
19:29.57herloclutchmm: possible yes, easiness depends on how you've set it up...
19:30.17baensclutchmm: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/
19:30.20herloclutchmm: you're gonna want to back up your partitiion tables and your filesystem data just in case
19:30.58herlobaens: how trustworthy is that way?  I tried that once and it wasn't at all reliable
19:31.47clutchmmok, I have partition magic on my win2k partition and was going to see if I could just make my win partition smaller and add the space to linux
19:31.50baensherlo: fairly, i've used it a dozen times to resize window partitions and its never broken anything (you do need to defrag and scan disk the windows partition before it works thou)
19:32.23herlobaens: but linux has no need to defrag
19:32.28clutchmmhind site being 20/20 I should have done the whole thing for linux and just used win2k in vm
19:32.36baensherlo: the only problem i had (but i think it was me not watching what i was doing) is that i nuked one of HP's special paritions (the ones that allow you to not boot into a os but rather just play a dvd or music)
19:32.51baensherlo: correct, windows needs to be defragged before you resize a windows partition
19:33.22clutchmmsight*
19:34.52baensherlo: from what i hear and stuff, the live cd works the best too, and the newest release isn't bad
19:35.25herlobaens: that's what I used.  Was very ncurses
19:35.46baensherlo: they have a gnome frontend now
19:35.55clutchmmis it possible for me to make a new install cd that will restore my system to what it is now with all my packages and tweaks?
19:36.02baensherlo: i *believe* its based on the gentoo live cd with just gparted and tools on it
19:36.06herlobaens: yeah, I think I recall seeing that
19:36.32herloclutchmm: yeah, but its not *that* simple
19:36.52herloclutchmm: you have two choices in my mind.  Ghost or kickstart
19:37.00herloand yes, ubuntu can use kickstart
19:37.13herlotrick is, figuring out what you've currently got installed
19:38.13clutchmmI'm not worried about it being tough, but if I have to reinstall at some point I would rather not have to find all my packages and redo all my tweaks again
19:40.56Zelutsynic: ping
20:09.39maquisclutchmm: why would you need to reinstall?
20:11.43atoponcesynic: how do i copy text from gvim to another X app?
20:12.06atoponceor, if anyone knows that answer, actually
20:13.20clutchmmmaquis: in case I mess something up and crash my system, also my dad would like to do the same thing for similar reasons
20:14.08maquisclutchmm: ah...
20:14.18maquisthus far, i've kept to my goal of never reinstalling due to having destroyed my system
20:14.30maquisi'll admit that many times it would've been easier to reinstall
20:14.56maquisbut it's rather difficult to get to a point where reinstalling is the only option
20:15.17maquisas far as that, though, i'd suggest just backing up /etc
20:15.23maquis(along with /home and such)
20:16.04clutchmmyeah, but mostly for my dad, it is easier for him to reinstall and he won't switch completely over to linux until he can restore his system without help
20:16.12maquisk
20:16.18maquisback up /etc/ and /home
20:16.30maquisthat'll get all the personal settings
20:16.46maquisthen you just have to install the software
20:17.36clutchmmso that will save the tweak he did to fix his KMV switch?
20:26.05synicatoponce: "+y
20:26.09synicZelut: pong
20:26.22atoponcesynic: donke
20:29.27opapohow do I mount a floppy drive
20:29.42synicmkdir /media/floppy
20:29.47synicmount /dev/fd0 /media/floppy
20:29.57opapoI don't have /dev/fd0
20:30.18synictry dmesg | grep fd
20:32.09opapoI guess fd0 doesn't show up if there is no floppy in the drive
20:32.16atoponcewhy can't last.fm keep a solid stream?
20:32.23sontekno point in showing a device that doesn't exist =)
20:32.36atoponceradioparadise just out performs everytime
20:32.40atoponcenever lets me down
20:32.48sontekI just listen to KUER
20:32.55sontekthey never go down =)
20:33.14opaposontek: I guess you've got a valid point
20:39.11Zelutsynic: can you remind me the command I can use to pull in your .vimrc ?
20:39.43clutchmmI really do love vmware, can I mount my win2k partition in my vm share folder?
20:40.22synicZelut: see the "vim tip" at the end of this article: http://www.vimtips.org/article/10/exaile-029-released
20:40.23baenssure why not?
20:40.35baensi just use a samaba share
20:41.00clutchmmhow do I mount a drive somewhere other than on my desktop?
20:41.47clutchmmor should I just set up the win2k partition as another samba share?
20:42.00baensuuum
20:42.06Zelutsynic: thank you
20:42.07baenswhere do you want to mount it and how will you be using it?
20:42.17synicyw
20:42.36atoponcesynic: not using your jbother account any longer?
20:42.59clutchmmI was going to mount it in /home/clutch/vmshare, I want to access my stuff on the win2k partition in my win2k vm
20:43.08synicno... exaile.org was getting hit pretty hard, so I decided to remove every service I didn't absolutely need (like jabber)
20:43.30synicfor a couple days, exaile.org's average load was 72.
20:43.39atoponcenice
20:43.43baensclutchmm: one sec and I will get the command you need to run
20:43.57clutchmmok
20:43.58atoponceso, just remove the account from my roster then?
20:44.02synicyeah
20:44.20atoponcethx
20:44.29atoponceheh
20:44.40atoponcei mean, ok, doe
20:44.43atoponce*done
20:45.11syniccoding anything fun?
20:45.22atoponcei wish
20:45.35atoponcejavascript >;P
20:46.12opapohow do you format a floppy disk?
20:46.13synicbarf.
20:46.16baensclutchmm: mount -t smbfs //{ip}/{folder} /where/ever/you/want -o lfs,username={username},password=xxx
20:46.18opapofdformat doesn't work
20:46.33synicopapo: mkfs.msdos
20:46.46synicor just mkfs if you don't care that it works in windows
20:46.51[phoenyx]atoponce: I've started using prototype, it makes things a lot nicer
20:47.04synicprototype++
20:48.49clutchmmbaens: //ip.of.lin.ux/win /home/clutch/vmshare will mount it in vmshare right?
20:49.06baenscorrect
20:49.31baenser wait sorry, the ip of the vm, not linux itself
20:49.42baensyou need to get the IP reported by win2k inside the vm itself
20:50.09clutchmmso I need the ip of my win2k vm?
20:50.20baensyes
20:51.06clutchmmit should be the same one I used to setup the other share right?
20:51.13baensyup
20:51.29clutchmmcool, let me give it a shot
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20:58.44clutchmmbaens: I sent you a msg with the error
20:58.55[phoenyx]http://flickr.com/photos/beigephotos/84660316/
20:59.25[phoenyx]that's some crazy vendor lock-in
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21:09.45opapowhere is a trusted and complete tutorial to get a PXE server up and running?
21:11.34atoponce[phoenyx]: we're using dojo for all of our javascripting needs
21:11.50atoponceit's pretty freaking solid, although, fairly bloated too
21:11.58sontekopapo: google knows more than us
21:12.26sontekthey just had a presentation on dojo a uphpu
21:12.59atoponcewas it good?
21:13.10[phoenyx]atoponce: I've found that if you remove the whitespace and send them compressed, the javascript files aren't too bad
21:13.36[phoenyx]I've heard positive buzz about dojo
21:13.46[phoenyx]is it built into django?
21:13.53atoponcenot a bad idea. we are sending them compressed. haven't thought about removing the whitespace, though
21:13.55atoponceno. it's not
21:14.02opaposontek: I can find tutorials, but I am at work and A.) don't want to mess up the network, and B.) I don't want to spend time following tutorials that only half work at best
21:14.19opaposontek: I will though try what I have found.
21:14.24sontekWe use scriptaculous
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21:19.04Utah_Davewe use jQuery
21:22.43[phoenyx]jQuery looks like it's been heavily influenced by Ruby
21:23.28Utah_DaveI've only been using jQuery for a couple months, but it really clicked with me
21:38.20herloUtah_Dave: is jQuery from the same family of developers who've made jUploadr?
21:38.44Utah_DaveHm, I'm not sure
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21:46.55Utah_Daveherlo: I don't think so. It appears the j in jUploadr stands for Java
21:48.21herloUtah_Dave: ahh, thought it might be the same
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22:20.06clutchmmwow, that was horrible.... baens had me copy and paste my smb.conf file into the chat window and my system freaked out and went to a snail's crawl
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22:23.50jaredhas anyone used twin windows in console?
22:33.21maquisnope
22:33.29sontektwin windows?
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23:15.18atoponce~onjoin jared jared: stay around a bit longer when asking a question. we're eager to respond, we just need more than a minute or two
23:15.19jbotatoponce: ok
23:25.08atoponceok. i need some crontab help
23:25.36atoponcewhat is the '&> /dev/null' for?
23:25.43atoponceat the end of a crontab line
23:26.14atoponcejust sending the return of the script to /dev/null?
23:26.19synicyup
23:26.54atoponcecool
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