| 00:16.49 | clutchmm | fizz: I know a bit about web development |
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| 00:23.50 | clutchmm | herlo: I checked out instalinux.com but I don't think it's quite what I'm looking for. My dad is wanting to create his own install disk that he can use as a backup and will have everything he currently has including his KMV fix which was done with a couple of terminal commands and no downloads, I also thought I could use it to backup my linux system as is so I can get a bigger hdd and this time give more space(or all of it) to linux without having to d |
| 01:18.46 | Zelut | well if anyone was wondering, yes it rains like crazy in seattle |
| 01:38.10 | clutchmm | Zelut: you in Seattle now? I went there last October for a few days, I wanted to stay longer once I got there |
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| 02:10.29 | Zelut | clutchmm: yeah, all checked in now |
| 02:13.26 | herlo | Zelut: they have a cheesecake factory |
| 02:14.53 | Zelut | herlo: treo is rad. |
| 02:15.14 | Zelut | hey, you might be a geek if the first thing you do when you check in a hotel is get online. |
| 02:15.59 | herlo | Zelut: for sure |
| 02:16.58 | herlo | Zelut: did you like my Fedora article on Tbird 2.0? |
| 02:25.56 | clutchmm | herlo: you are going to my hometown |
| 03:09.05 | herlo | clutchmm: Troy? |
| 03:09.55 | herlo | poor Zelut, lost his connection |
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| 03:13.50 | clutchmm | herlo: I thought you said Detroit |
| 03:14.46 | herlo | clutchmm: well, I'm landing in Detroit, then heading to Troy |
| 03:15.02 | clutchmm | oh |
| 03:15.30 | herlo | clutchmm: any suggestions for dining? |
| 03:16.29 | herlo | Even if its in Detroit, thats fine. I'm gonna try to hit a Tigers game anyway |
| 03:18.53 | clutchmm | bob evens or big boy if they are still around have good food |
| 03:19.39 | clutchmm | if you can find a sign of the beef carver they are good too |
| 03:20.10 | herlo | clutchmm: cool |
| 03:20.12 | herlo | tx |
| 03:20.55 | herlo | clutchmm: is it called 'the beef carver'? |
| 03:21.48 | clutchmm | yeah, that might be it |
| 03:22.11 | clutchmm | I haven't been there in years |
| 03:22.12 | herlo | I have no idea. was just clarifying |
| 03:22.28 | herlo | I'l check tonight |
| 03:22.34 | herlo | or tomorrow |
| 03:22.55 | herlo | tx |
| 03:23.01 | clutchmm | cool, I'll probably be on late tonight so let me know |
| 03:23.03 | clutchmm | np |
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| 03:49.42 | Hearts|Laptop | This battery just keeps getting worse |
| 03:49.53 | Hearts|Laptop | I guess that is my que to leave |
| 03:49.55 | Hearts|Laptop | night all |
| 03:54.54 | baens | clutchmm: that password problem you are seeing is a window's problem I believe...and how to fix it im looking up right now |
| 04:05.28 | baens | clutchmm: hmm, ok I can't find the fix right now, but i wouldn't worry about it, it does happen and somewhere theres something you can do to fix it but right now I can't find it |
| 04:05.47 | baens | clutchmm: if it annoys you thou, just make it auto login |
| 04:08.30 | clutchmm | baens: it's not that bad, I just thought it might be a glitch |
| 04:08.30 | clutchmm | I'll be right back |
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| 04:11.10 | Utah_Dave | does anybody here have experience using ipods with feisty?> |
| 04:11.21 | baens | Utah_Dave: i do |
| 04:11.21 | Hunding_ | I have |
| 04:11.27 | clutchmm | well that didn't work either |
| 04:11.52 | baens | what didn't work? |
| 04:12.18 | Yorokobi | Utah_Dave, yup |
| 04:12.50 | Utah_Dave | well, I used to get little popups when I'd plug my ipod in asking if I wanted Amarok to manage it |
| 04:13.02 | Utah_Dave | I didn't say yes, because I was afraid of hosing my ipod |
| 04:13.09 | clutchmm | I installed frostwire with their .deb package and used the force architecture command in dpkg and when I try to start it my hdd light flashes a couple of times and nothing happens |
| 04:13.22 | clutchmm | I just tried a reboot and still nothing |
| 04:13.29 | Utah_Dave | well, I'm ready to take the plunge, but now it doesn't recognize my ipod |
| 04:13.36 | Utah_Dave | In fact, it doesn't mount it like it used to |
| 04:14.13 | Utah_Dave | I'm not sure where to start |
| 04:15.39 | baens | Utah_Dave: does dmesg say anything about the ipod being connected? |
| 04:15.51 | clutchmm | in fact azureus does the same thing |
| 04:16.10 | baens | clutchmm: can you run them from the command line and see if they complain about anything |
| 04:16.28 | clutchmm | with sudo frostwire? |
| 04:16.38 | baens | clutchmm: just frostwire |
| 04:16.57 | baens | clutchmm: and so with your vm sound thing, what volume level is set inside the vm it's self? |
| 04:17.14 | Utah_Dave | baens: it has some entries about the ipod. What am I looking for exactly? |
| 04:17.57 | clutchmm | baens: the win2k sound is all the way up, I couldn't find a volume control in vmware |
| 04:18.22 | baens | clutchmm: have you tried turning it down on the win2k side and see if that helps at all? |
| 04:18.30 | baens | clutchmm: i have mine set 1/3 of the way up |
| 04:18.58 | clutchmm | baens: yes |
| 04:19.13 | clutchmm | win2k is too quiet |
| 04:19.16 | baens | Utah_Dave: does it say something like this http://paste.f-box.org/136 |
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| 04:19.36 | baens | clutchmm: ooo, sorry got it switched :) |
| 04:19.45 | clutchmm | and frostwire in the terminal says:OOPS, unable to locate java exec in /opt/ hierarchy You need to upgrade to JRE 1.5.x or newer from http://www.java.com |
| 04:20.02 | Utah_Dave | oh, just notice my ipod is frozen |
| 04:20.12 | baens | clutchmm: did you install the jre from the ubuntu repos? |
| 04:20.25 | clutchmm | also says that java is out of date, but frostwire updated it to runtime 6 |
| 04:20.28 | baens | clutchmm: and also for the sound...is wave and sw synth full? |
| 04:20.50 | baens | clutchmm: if you try to do `java` what does it do? |
| 04:21.48 | clutchmm | java gives me a list of options for it |
| 04:21.57 | baens | clutchmm: k type `which java` |
| 04:22.26 | clutchmm | /usr/bin/java |
| 04:22.51 | baens | clutchmm: k type this `sudo update-alternatives --config java` and select the sun package |
| 04:23.22 | baens | Utah_Dave: is it unfrozen yet? |
| 04:23.51 | Utah_Dave | just reset it, and plugged it back into my laptop |
| 04:24.02 | baens | Utah_Dave: did that help or is it still acting that way? |
| 04:25.22 | Utah_Dave | baens: well, now when I plug it in, it doesn't start charging or indicate that it knows it's plugged in |
| 04:25.40 | baens | Utah_Dave: 0_o....that can't be a good sign... |
| 04:26.04 | Utah_Dave | baens: Yeah, it's got me a little worried too |
| 04:26.10 | baens | Utah_Dave: i hate when iPods don't work the way they should :) |
| 04:26.11 | clutchmm | baens: frostwire works now, let me check the mid and wav volume on win2k vm |
| 04:26.22 | baens | clutchmm: cool |
| 04:26.31 | baens | Utah_Dave: does dmesg say anything werid about usb or anything? |
| 04:27.27 | Utah_Dave | I'm getting something repeating about " sdb READ CAPACITY failed |
| 04:27.56 | baens | Utah_Dave: try a different port, or try and plug some other usb device in |
| 04:29.04 | Utah_Dave | baens: I tried another port and still nothing happened |
| 04:29.32 | baens | Utah_Dave: same thing in dmesg? |
| 04:29.44 | Utah_Dave | yep |
| 04:30.26 | baens | Utah_Dave: any other usb devices you can try to use or is that the only one? |
| 04:31.41 | Utah_Dave | baens: ah, my usb drive isn't working either |
| 04:31.48 | Utah_Dave | should I reboot? |
| 04:31.56 | Utah_Dave | or is there a way to restart the usb services? |
| 04:32.08 | baens | Utah_Dave: ya reboot |
| 04:32.17 | baens | Utah_Dave: looks like the usb driver probably died (happens sometimes) |
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| 04:33.27 | baens | clutchmm: any luck on sound? |
| 04:36.59 | clutchmm | I'm just about to test it |
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| 04:37.53 | Utah_Dave | ok, baens, should I have amarok started before I plug my ipod in? |
| 04:38.58 | baens | Utah_Dave: i *believe* it automatically finds the iPod so you don't need it started, however i've never used amarok to manage my iPod I usually use gtkpod |
| 04:39.10 | clutchmm | baens: say my name, I think I got it |
| 04:39.21 | baens | clutchmm: do you have it yet? |
| 04:39.54 | Utah_Dave | there we go |
| 04:39.54 | clutchmm | for some reason that didn't make any noise |
| 04:39.58 | baens | clutchmm: 0_o hmm wonder why |
| 04:40.10 | baens | Utah_Dave: cool, so looks like your usb just crapped out for a sec |
| 04:41.03 | Utah_Dave | yeah, it's working now |
| 04:41.11 | baens | great |
| 04:41.40 | Utah_Dave | thanks for your help! |
| 04:42.01 | baens | np, just told you the easiest fix in the book, reboot :) |
| 04:43.03 | Utah_Dave | yep! :) |
| 04:43.09 | clutchmm | baens: that's weird I used the workaround that was supposed to fix the mixing problem but while I just had a program open in win2k I had no sound on linux and when I closed it I had sound again |
| 04:43.30 | baens | clutchmm: interesting... |
| 04:43.45 | clutchmm | yup sound is back |
| 04:43.52 | baens | clutchmm: ya, i don't get why, but sound sharing in linux is a pain in the butt |
| 04:44.05 | baens | clutchmm: i still haven't figure out the magic to get it all working |
| 04:45.02 | clutchmm | I found a supposed fix with alsa-oss that seemed fine until I just changed the volume levels on win |
| 04:46.14 | clutchmm | well, at least frostwire is working now, and it seems to be what I was looking for, I tried amule once but it was confusing as hell |
| 04:46.31 | baens | clutchmm: cool, i have found that i have that same problem and as soon as I found a fix I will let you know |
| 04:46.47 | clutchmm | cool |
| 04:47.27 | clutchmm | is Heartsbane also hearts|laptop? |
| 04:50.56 | baens | alright, time for bed, yay for work in the morning! Night |
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| 13:51.37 | npowell | Have any of you had a problem like this: /opt/firefox/run-mozilla.sh: line 166: /opt/firefox/firefox-bin: No such file or directory |
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| 13:52.47 | scottymuse | Just when you are typing something to respond, they up and leave! Very rude. |
| 13:53.59 | Hunding_ | you only get 1 min to answer... |
| 13:54.33 | Hunding_ | new time rules here in #ubuntu-utah...did you not get the memo? |
| 13:55.03 | scottymuse | No, I got kicked out for the weekend and didn't notice. Leave for a couple of days... |
| 13:56.11 | Hunding_ | well your up to speed now...don't forget one min. otherwise don't even try!! |
| 13:56.59 | scottymuse | I'd respond but it would probably take longer than a minute :) |
| 14:24.17 | atoponce | ~onjoin npowell npowell: people are willing to answer your questions, you just need to hang around longer than 1 minute to receive them |
| 14:24.17 | jbot | atoponce: ok |
| 14:25.20 | baens | ok, is there a manual for jbot? |
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| 14:25.55 | atoponce | just ~help |
| 14:26.04 | atoponce | and ~help <topic> |
| 14:26.06 | atoponce | that's about it |
| 14:26.11 | baens | ah, was wondering where everyone was getting their tricks from |
| 14:26.21 | baens | seems like that bot has endless features lol |
| 14:27.46 | atoponce | it's the most bloated bot in the world |
| 14:28.29 | baens | ~help |
| 14:32.38 | nurn | morning guys |
| 14:34.25 | atoponce | moin |
| 14:34.35 | baens | morning |
| 14:34.48 | Yorokobi | ohayou gozaimasu |
| 14:34.54 | nurn | how are you all today? |
| 14:35.13 | atoponce | sore |
| 14:37.17 | nurn | I am about the same. |
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| 15:16.49 | sontek | welcome back! |
| 15:17.41 | herlo | sontek: why thank you |
| 15:17.55 | herlo | but I'm only here temporarily |
| 15:18.02 | sontek | Hows Michigan? =) |
| 15:18.10 | sontek | I want to go to MI :( |
| 15:18.13 | herlo | until my real fold gets folded |
| 15:18.29 | sontek | are you traveling through space and time?! |
| 15:18.31 | herlo | sontek: chilly actually. Probably not anymore, but it was... |
| 15:18.48 | herlo | sontek: no, but my protiens are being folded one nanosecond at a time |
| 15:19.13 | herlo | almost |
| 15:19.48 | sontek | teach me! |
| 15:19.48 | sontek | setup a podcast |
| 15:19.48 | sontek | I'll listen in |
| 15:20.30 | herlo | nice idea |
| 15:20.42 | herlo | but since RH charges, I'd bet they'd frown on that... |
| 15:21.20 | sontek | It'll be our little secret |
| 15:21.59 | sontek | noooooo |
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| 16:01.07 | Hunding | anyone know what port RDC uses? VNC uses 5900 or 5901...but I can't seem to figure out what RDC uses |
| 16:02.20 | Yorokobi | 3389, I believe |
| 16:02.23 | Yorokobi | TCP |
| 16:02.35 | Hunding | kewl...thanks |
| 16:03.42 | Yorokobi | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/832017 <-- Pretty much all ports used by MS products |
| 16:03.43 | Hunding | ahhh...dang it!! I turned off the abilty to modify my router over the internet... |
| 16:04.40 | baens | Hunding: do you have a computer on the inside that you can ssh into? |
| 16:05.24 | Hunding | that is what I am talking on right now...I am in pocotello with my wife...pretending I am at work |
| 16:05.46 | Hunding | holiday for CA today...so no-one is around anyway |
| 16:06.01 | baens | aah |
| 16:06.28 | Hunding | sitting by the pool...watching the kids jump around like crazy...scaring the poor housekeeping staff |
| 16:06.50 | baens | im jealous :P |
| 16:07.12 | Hunding | oh...that is a good point...I can use the machine I am logged into right now to get into the router...good thinking baens ! |
| 16:07.56 | baens | go commandline browers :) |
| 16:12.44 | Hunding | ok...so I think the win machine at home has crashed again...what else is new |
| 16:13.00 | Hunding | good thing I don't keep anything important on it |
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| 16:18.28 | clutchmm | morning guys |
| 16:18.29 | baens | morning |
| 16:23.22 | maquis | that it is... |
| 16:24.16 | scottymuse | a rainy morning. |
| 16:24.29 | maquis | scottymuse: sorry |
| 16:24.54 | baens | better than a blistering hot one... |
| 16:25.36 | herlo | baens: depends on whether you've got a/c nearby |
| 16:27.19 | scottymuse | what's that jbot weather function? |
| 16:27.58 | baens | ~w 84088 |
| 16:28.00 | jbot | ACTION hold her/his/its fingers/phalanges/appendages in the form of a "w" and says "\/\/hatever 84088" |
| 16:28.09 | baens | lol not that... |
| 16:29.14 | scottymuse | ha ha. |
| 16:29.30 | baens | !w 84088 |
| 16:29.32 | UtahBot | West Jordan, Utah; Updated: 10:25 (May 21, 2007); Conditions: Light Rain; Temperature: 57.0°F (13.9°C); High/Low: 70/41°F (21/5°C); Humidity: 76%; Dew Point: 50°F (10°C); UV: 2/16; Wind: NNE at 2.7 MPH (4.3 KPH) |
| 16:30.05 | herlo | !w 48084 |
| 16:30.07 | UtahBot | Troy, Michigan; Updated: 12:16 (May 21, 2007); Conditions: Clear; Temperature: 59°F (15°C); High/Low: 65/48°F (18/8°C); Humidity: 51%; Dew Point: 41°F (5°C); UV: 10/16; Wind: East at 5 MPH (7 KPH) |
| 16:30.22 | herlo | Strange weather here... |
| 16:31.32 | maquis | !w 98104 |
| 16:31.34 | UtahBot | Seattle, Washington; Updated: 09:08 (May 21, 2007); Conditions: Overcast; Temperature: 48°F (9°C); Windchill: 46°F (8°C); High/Low: 58/45°F (14/7°C); Humidity: 93%; Dew Point: 46°F (8°C); UV: 1/16; Wind: SE at 6 MPH (9 KPH) |
| 16:31.46 | Hunding | !w 83021 |
| 16:31.47 | UtahBot | The requested city was not found. |
| 16:32.04 | Hunding | !w 83201 |
| 16:32.06 | UtahBot | Pocatello, Idaho; Updated: 10:31 (May 21, 2007); Conditions: Light Rain; Temperature: 47.9°F (8.8°C); Windchill: 45°F (7°C); High/Low: 53/28°F (11/-2°C); Humidity: 90%; Dew Point: 45°F (7°C); UV: 2/16; Wind: WSW at 6.9 MPH (11.1 KPH) |
| 16:32.11 | herlo | maquis: you should chat with Zelut, he's there this week |
| 16:32.27 | maquis | herlo: any idea which part? |
| 16:32.30 | herlo | I'm guessing he's just starting class and not online |
| 16:32.33 | scottymuse | !84321 |
| 16:32.35 | herlo | maquis: Bellevuew |
| 16:32.37 | herlo | -w |
| 16:32.41 | maquis | ah |
| 16:32.43 | maquis | east-side |
| 16:32.45 | scottymuse | !w 84321 |
| 16:32.47 | herlo | maquis: righto |
| 16:32.47 | UtahBot | Logan, Utah; Updated: 09:51 (May 21, 2007); Conditions: Light Rain; Temperature: 50°F (10°C); High/Low: 46/28°F (7/-2°C); Humidity: 86%; Dew Point: 46°F (8°C); UV: 2/16; Wind: West |
| 16:33.08 | maquis | herlo: you guys ever come to downtown? |
| 16:33.29 | herlo | maquis: yeah, in places like Chicago or New York |
| 16:33.38 | herlo | big cities, you know? |
| 16:33.40 | maquis | hrm... i was thinking more around seattle |
| 16:34.02 | herlo | maquis: I think Bellevue is the closest we get... |
| 16:34.09 | clutchmm | I was in Seattle last October |
| 16:34.25 | maquis | i told my manager that if there was ever an opportunity for rhce training, i would like to take the class... i also mentioned that i knew of a company that provided the training |
| 16:34.40 | maquis | apparently amazon doesn't see the need for their devs to have rhce, though |
| 16:34.57 | maquis | he said he'd keep an eye out for any linux-related training that he could get me in, though |
| 16:35.47 | herlo | maquis: I decided today (well, last night) to become a Fedora Ambassador. |
| 16:35.57 | maquis | herlo: what does that involve? |
| 16:36.28 | herlo | maquis: much like becoming an Ubuntu member, you've gotta agree with the standards set forth by the maintainers and such |
| 16:36.48 | herlo | then, once you've done that. Then you have to contribute to the project by promoting Fedora... |
| 16:37.14 | clutchmm | When my wife and I went to Seattle there was a radio station that had a cruise around the Puget Sound, it was pretty cool, like a dance club on the water |
| 16:37.43 | herlo | clutchmm: that sounds familiar, I think they do that reguarly |
| 16:37.54 | herlo | s/ua/ula/g |
| 16:38.20 | clutchmm | it was for Halloween |
| 16:39.21 | clutchmm | I still have my tourist map for Seattle :) |
| 16:40.05 | clutchmm | We plan on going back after we get the ins. worked out with our house |
| 16:46.46 | clutchmm | so, is NTFS writing with feisty pretty reliable? |
| 16:47.53 | sontek | clutchmm: yeah, ntfs writing has been stable for a few years now |
| 16:48.26 | sontek | clutchmm: just grab the package ntfs-3g |
| 16:48.41 | clutchmm | I haven't tried it yet, I just remembered the warning on the wiki |
| 16:49.09 | clutchmm | I have that installed already, I used it to mount my win2k partition |
| 16:50.09 | sontek | herlo: what company are you teaching in Troy? |
| 16:50.14 | sontek | herlo: do you go to Troy often? =) |
| 16:53.50 | herlo | sontek: only my second time. I am teaching for Red Hat. Several companies are represented in the class... |
| 16:58.38 | sontek | herlo: ahh, My favorite datacenter is in Troy, The only reason I don't have a box there anymore is the distance |
| 16:59.09 | sontek | herlo: but if you were going to be in Troy a lot I was going to ask for your services |
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| 17:33.16 | opapo | I want to install Ubuntu on an old laptop |
| 17:33.57 | sontek | hurray |
| 17:34.10 | synic | man, bitlbee rocks. Why oh why didn't I try it sooner. |
| 17:34.45 | baens | synic: which parts of it are cool? |
| 17:35.01 | sontek | synic: ever used centericq? |
| 17:35.19 | sontek | synic: I think its a better interface for instant messaging |
| 17:35.44 | synic | sontek: yeah, didn't like it. I've used a couple console clients |
| 17:36.03 | synic | I like bitlbee just because I IRC so much... |
| 17:37.54 | sontek | yeah, I love irssi for group chat (IRC) but for individual private conversations I think the interface is rather clunky |
| 17:38.56 | synic | I like how you can private message someone, or just talk to them in the "control" channel |
| 17:41.57 | opapo | How hard is it to set up a server so clients can boot from the network? |
| 17:44.50 | sontek | opapo: easy, lookup PXE |
| 17:45.52 | opapo | sontek: thanks |
| 17:55.49 | opapo | Does a PXE client need more than 24MB of RAM? |
| 17:56.56 | opapo | This is a 10 year old computer |
| 18:00.01 | Yorokobi | opapo, does this computer have a hard drive? |
| 18:03.04 | opapo | Yorokobi: it has a harddrive, but I want to put Ubuntu on it and there is not the option of bootting from the cd |
| 18:04.37 | herlo | sontek: nope, not here often enough for sure |
| 18:04.53 | Yorokobi | IIRC, PXE and/or bootp require NICs that support them ... |
| 18:04.55 | herlo | sontek: was here in Troy in Feb or something... |
| 18:05.13 | herlo | opapo: you could use instalinux.com |
| 18:05.39 | herlo | its a cool site that will let you build a bootable cd and I think usb too |
| 18:06.10 | Yorokobi | 10-year old computers probably don't have USB |
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| 18:10.30 | Yorokobi | obsd, maquis. obsd |
| 18:10.31 | synic | heh, i installed it on my home machine. |
| 18:10.41 | synic | weirdest thing... it sees my sata drive, but not my IDE. |
| 18:10.41 | maquis | Yorokobi: that's cool too |
| 18:10.57 | maquis | i have "The Ultimate OpenBSD" book from starch press |
| 18:11.07 | Yorokobi | Ditto |
| 18:11.17 | Yorokobi | It is a bit old but still a good reference |
| 18:11.22 | synic | I do think that openbsd has the best mascot, hehe |
| 18:11.28 | maquis | and it's getting me excited to play with bsd again |
| 18:11.40 | maquis | Yorokobi: i got it for 2$ from a guy at work |
| 18:11.54 | maquis | appears pretty new, and in good shape |
| 18:12.18 | Yorokobi | I bought the PDF from No Starch |
| 18:12.25 | Yorokobi | >$2 |
| 18:12.52 | maquis | i like getting things for cheap off of for-sale |
| 18:15.05 | opapo | herlo: what kind of server do I need to point to? |
| 18:15.23 | opapo | On step two it asks for a proxy server |
| 18:15.48 | opapo | I have a server that could be used as such, but I don't understand what I need it to do? |
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| 18:39.50 | baens | asdfasdf |
| 18:39.50 | baens | 12:10 < maquis> i like getting things for cheap off of for-sale |
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| 18:39.50 | baens | 12:12 < opapo> herlo: what kind of server do I need to point to? |
| 18:39.50 | baens | 12:12 < opapo> On step two it asks for a proxy server |
| 18:40.03 | Yorokobi | ? |
| 18:40.33 | baens | geez stupid thing |
| 18:40.40 | baens | sorry client died very oddly |
| 18:42.14 | opapo | http://www.instalinux.com/cgi-bin/coe_bootimage.cgi |
| 18:42.37 | opapo | That is step two |
| 18:42.44 | opapo | This is step one: http://www.instalinux.com/cgi-bin/coe_bootimage.cgi |
| 18:42.54 | opapo | sorry it's backwards |
| 18:44.01 | Yorokobi | opapo, leave the proxy blank |
| 18:44.32 | opapo | Yorokobi: thanks |
| 18:44.41 | Yorokobi | unless you're running an HTTP proxy that would interfere with your old computer's ability to get to the internet ... |
| 18:45.43 | atoponce | synic: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~maverick/VimColorSchemeTest/ |
| 18:45.47 | opapo | thanks |
| 18:49.05 | synic | atoponce: nice |
| 18:49.29 | atoponce | takes a bit to load, but pretty freaking cool once they've all loaded |
| 18:49.39 | atoponce | maquis: you may like also |
| 18:49.42 | Yorokobi | atoponce, very nice |
| 18:50.16 | atoponce | :) |
| 18:51.55 | opapo | Instalinux doesn't work for me because I can't boot from the CD |
| 18:52.26 | opapo | Can I split a CD Image into multiple floppies? |
| 18:53.02 | synic | see... now this is where openbsd shines. You can install it from a single floppy |
| 18:53.45 | Yorokobi | Does Debian still have a floppy-based net install? |
| 18:53.53 | synic | yeah, but it's 6 floppies |
| 18:53.57 | synic | freebsd is 4 |
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| 18:56.17 | opapo | Can I not transfer an 8MB CD image to floppies and boot it that way? |
| 18:56.42 | maquis | atoponce: ooh |
| 18:56.53 | atoponce | nice, eh? |
| 18:56.55 | maquis | when firefox finishes crashing, i'll try that |
| 18:57.00 | atoponce | heh |
| 18:57.11 | Yorokobi | opapo, cd images and floppies are very different. |
| 18:57.15 | atoponce | yeah. it takes a while to load. there's a *lot* on those pages |
| 18:57.20 | Yorokobi | format-wise |
| 18:57.25 | maquis | atoponce: oh... i haven't even looked at that page |
| 18:57.39 | maquis | i was trying to view something on our internal network here, and firefox hasn't recovered yet |
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| 18:58.05 | atoponce | maquis: the root page is fine (the link i gave), it's browsing by filetype that takes a while |
| 18:58.11 | atoponce | Zelut: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~maverick/VimColorSchemeTest/ |
| 18:58.37 | opapo | Yorokobi: I mean burn a CD Image, then parse out the files/folders onto separate floppies |
| 18:59.16 | synic | opapo: I doubt it would work... there's nothing on the CD that says "insert 2nd floppy" |
| 18:59.30 | Yorokobi | opapo, how would you know what was the correct order to put them on floppy, though? |
| 18:59.53 | opapo | sad |
| 19:00.04 | atoponce | Zelut: no irssi? what happened? |
| 19:00.23 | Zelut | atoponce: the irssi server is finally packed to get ready for renters. |
| 19:00.38 | atoponce | ahh. i see |
| 19:00.47 | Zelut | atoponce: hopefully I can set it up in kaysville temporarily.. but until then :( |
| 19:02.29 | synic | Zelut: you want a shell here until then? |
| 19:03.47 | synic | off to lunch... bbiab |
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| 19:07.37 | Zelut | I wish I had a copy of my irssi confs mainly. |
| 19:12.18 | herlo | Zelut: ping |
| 19:12.26 | maquis | atoponce: these confs are for gvim, though |
| 19:12.29 | maquis | right? |
| 19:12.49 | atoponce | some. not most |
| 19:13.02 | atoponce | they are all the color schemes found on vim.org |
| 19:13.05 | atoponce | so, they inclued everything |
| 19:13.19 | maquis | ah |
| 19:13.31 | Zelut | herlo: pong |
| 19:15.29 | herlo | Zelut: what'd you need earlier? Sorry I couldn't respond... |
| 19:18.16 | Zelut | herlo: I figured it out. |
| 19:19.52 | herlo | Zelut: I was just wondering because you didn't respond back... |
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| 19:23.39 | Zelut | herlo: I'm not at a RH facility this week, but its still pretty nice. |
| 19:24.07 | herlo | Zelut: oh |
| 19:24.19 | herlo | Zelut: are you in Bellevue? |
| 19:24.57 | Zelut | Kirkland / Bellevue. |
| 19:25.06 | herlo | Zelut: okay, nice area |
| 19:25.53 | clutchmm | is it possible to change the size of my partitions to add more space to my linux partition without losing my data? |
| 19:29.26 | herlo | Zelut: sent, enjoy the food there. You must have the seafood, its awesome! |
| 19:29.57 | herlo | clutchmm: possible yes, easiness depends on how you've set it up... |
| 19:30.17 | baens | clutchmm: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:30.20 | herlo | clutchmm: you're gonna want to back up your partitiion tables and your filesystem data just in case |
| 19:30.58 | herlo | baens: how trustworthy is that way? I tried that once and it wasn't at all reliable |
| 19:31.47 | clutchmm | ok, I have partition magic on my win2k partition and was going to see if I could just make my win partition smaller and add the space to linux |
| 19:31.50 | baens | herlo: fairly, i've used it a dozen times to resize window partitions and its never broken anything (you do need to defrag and scan disk the windows partition before it works thou) |
| 19:32.23 | herlo | baens: but linux has no need to defrag |
| 19:32.28 | clutchmm | hind site being 20/20 I should have done the whole thing for linux and just used win2k in vm |
| 19:32.36 | baens | herlo: the only problem i had (but i think it was me not watching what i was doing) is that i nuked one of HP's special paritions (the ones that allow you to not boot into a os but rather just play a dvd or music) |
| 19:32.51 | baens | herlo: correct, windows needs to be defragged before you resize a windows partition |
| 19:33.22 | clutchmm | sight* |
| 19:34.52 | baens | herlo: from what i hear and stuff, the live cd works the best too, and the newest release isn't bad |
| 19:35.25 | herlo | baens: that's what I used. Was very ncurses |
| 19:35.46 | baens | herlo: they have a gnome frontend now |
| 19:35.55 | clutchmm | is it possible for me to make a new install cd that will restore my system to what it is now with all my packages and tweaks? |
| 19:36.02 | baens | herlo: i *believe* its based on the gentoo live cd with just gparted and tools on it |
| 19:36.06 | herlo | baens: yeah, I think I recall seeing that |
| 19:36.32 | herlo | clutchmm: yeah, but its not *that* simple |
| 19:36.52 | herlo | clutchmm: you have two choices in my mind. Ghost or kickstart |
| 19:37.00 | herlo | and yes, ubuntu can use kickstart |
| 19:37.13 | herlo | trick is, figuring out what you've currently got installed |
| 19:38.13 | clutchmm | I'm not worried about it being tough, but if I have to reinstall at some point I would rather not have to find all my packages and redo all my tweaks again |
| 19:40.56 | Zelut | synic: ping |
| 20:09.39 | maquis | clutchmm: why would you need to reinstall? |
| 20:11.43 | atoponce | synic: how do i copy text from gvim to another X app? |
| 20:12.06 | atoponce | or, if anyone knows that answer, actually |
| 20:13.20 | clutchmm | maquis: in case I mess something up and crash my system, also my dad would like to do the same thing for similar reasons |
| 20:14.08 | maquis | clutchmm: ah... |
| 20:14.18 | maquis | thus far, i've kept to my goal of never reinstalling due to having destroyed my system |
| 20:14.30 | maquis | i'll admit that many times it would've been easier to reinstall |
| 20:14.56 | maquis | but it's rather difficult to get to a point where reinstalling is the only option |
| 20:15.17 | maquis | as far as that, though, i'd suggest just backing up /etc |
| 20:15.23 | maquis | (along with /home and such) |
| 20:16.04 | clutchmm | yeah, but mostly for my dad, it is easier for him to reinstall and he won't switch completely over to linux until he can restore his system without help |
| 20:16.12 | maquis | k |
| 20:16.18 | maquis | back up /etc/ and /home |
| 20:16.30 | maquis | that'll get all the personal settings |
| 20:16.46 | maquis | then you just have to install the software |
| 20:17.36 | clutchmm | so that will save the tweak he did to fix his KMV switch? |
| 20:26.05 | synic | atoponce: "+y |
| 20:26.09 | synic | Zelut: pong |
| 20:26.22 | atoponce | synic: donke |
| 20:29.27 | opapo | how do I mount a floppy drive |
| 20:29.42 | synic | mkdir /media/floppy |
| 20:29.47 | synic | mount /dev/fd0 /media/floppy |
| 20:29.57 | opapo | I don't have /dev/fd0 |
| 20:30.18 | synic | try dmesg | grep fd |
| 20:32.09 | opapo | I guess fd0 doesn't show up if there is no floppy in the drive |
| 20:32.16 | atoponce | why can't last.fm keep a solid stream? |
| 20:32.23 | sontek | no point in showing a device that doesn't exist =) |
| 20:32.36 | atoponce | radioparadise just out performs everytime |
| 20:32.40 | atoponce | never lets me down |
| 20:32.48 | sontek | I just listen to KUER |
| 20:32.55 | sontek | they never go down =) |
| 20:33.14 | opapo | sontek: I guess you've got a valid point |
| 20:39.11 | Zelut | synic: can you remind me the command I can use to pull in your .vimrc ? |
| 20:39.43 | clutchmm | I really do love vmware, can I mount my win2k partition in my vm share folder? |
| 20:40.22 | synic | Zelut: see the "vim tip" at the end of this article: http://www.vimtips.org/article/10/exaile-029-released |
| 20:40.23 | baens | sure why not? |
| 20:40.35 | baens | i just use a samaba share |
| 20:41.00 | clutchmm | how do I mount a drive somewhere other than on my desktop? |
| 20:41.47 | clutchmm | or should I just set up the win2k partition as another samba share? |
| 20:42.00 | baens | uuum |
| 20:42.06 | Zelut | synic: thank you |
| 20:42.07 | baens | where do you want to mount it and how will you be using it? |
| 20:42.17 | synic | yw |
| 20:42.36 | atoponce | synic: not using your jbother account any longer? |
| 20:42.59 | clutchmm | I was going to mount it in /home/clutch/vmshare, I want to access my stuff on the win2k partition in my win2k vm |
| 20:43.08 | synic | no... exaile.org was getting hit pretty hard, so I decided to remove every service I didn't absolutely need (like jabber) |
| 20:43.30 | synic | for a couple days, exaile.org's average load was 72. |
| 20:43.39 | atoponce | nice |
| 20:43.43 | baens | clutchmm: one sec and I will get the command you need to run |
| 20:43.57 | clutchmm | ok |
| 20:43.58 | atoponce | so, just remove the account from my roster then? |
| 20:44.02 | synic | yeah |
| 20:44.20 | atoponce | thx |
| 20:44.29 | atoponce | heh |
| 20:44.40 | atoponce | i mean, ok, doe |
| 20:44.43 | atoponce | *done |
| 20:45.11 | synic | coding anything fun? |
| 20:45.22 | atoponce | i wish |
| 20:45.35 | atoponce | javascript >;P |
| 20:46.12 | opapo | how do you format a floppy disk? |
| 20:46.13 | synic | barf. |
| 20:46.16 | baens | clutchmm: mount -t smbfs //{ip}/{folder} /where/ever/you/want -o lfs,username={username},password=xxx |
| 20:46.18 | opapo | fdformat doesn't work |
| 20:46.33 | synic | opapo: mkfs.msdos |
| 20:46.46 | synic | or just mkfs if you don't care that it works in windows |
| 20:46.51 | [phoenyx] | atoponce: I've started using prototype, it makes things a lot nicer |
| 20:47.04 | synic | prototype++ |
| 20:48.49 | clutchmm | baens: //ip.of.lin.ux/win /home/clutch/vmshare will mount it in vmshare right? |
| 20:49.06 | baens | correct |
| 20:49.31 | baens | er wait sorry, the ip of the vm, not linux itself |
| 20:49.42 | baens | you need to get the IP reported by win2k inside the vm itself |
| 20:50.09 | clutchmm | so I need the ip of my win2k vm? |
| 20:50.20 | baens | yes |
| 20:51.06 | clutchmm | it should be the same one I used to setup the other share right? |
| 20:51.13 | baens | yup |
| 20:51.29 | clutchmm | cool, let me give it a shot |
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| 20:58.44 | clutchmm | baens: I sent you a msg with the error |
| 20:58.55 | [phoenyx] | http://flickr.com/photos/beigephotos/84660316/ |
| 20:59.25 | [phoenyx] | that's some crazy vendor lock-in |
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| 21:09.45 | opapo | where is a trusted and complete tutorial to get a PXE server up and running? |
| 21:11.34 | atoponce | [phoenyx]: we're using dojo for all of our javascripting needs |
| 21:11.50 | atoponce | it's pretty freaking solid, although, fairly bloated too |
| 21:11.58 | sontek | opapo: google knows more than us |
| 21:12.26 | sontek | they just had a presentation on dojo a uphpu |
| 21:12.59 | atoponce | was it good? |
| 21:13.10 | [phoenyx] | atoponce: I've found that if you remove the whitespace and send them compressed, the javascript files aren't too bad |
| 21:13.36 | [phoenyx] | I've heard positive buzz about dojo |
| 21:13.46 | [phoenyx] | is it built into django? |
| 21:13.53 | atoponce | not a bad idea. we are sending them compressed. haven't thought about removing the whitespace, though |
| 21:13.55 | atoponce | no. it's not |
| 21:14.02 | opapo | sontek: I can find tutorials, but I am at work and A.) don't want to mess up the network, and B.) I don't want to spend time following tutorials that only half work at best |
| 21:14.19 | opapo | sontek: I will though try what I have found. |
| 21:14.24 | sontek | We use scriptaculous |
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| 21:19.04 | Utah_Dave | we use jQuery |
| 21:22.43 | [phoenyx] | jQuery looks like it's been heavily influenced by Ruby |
| 21:23.28 | Utah_Dave | I've only been using jQuery for a couple months, but it really clicked with me |
| 21:38.20 | herlo | Utah_Dave: is jQuery from the same family of developers who've made jUploadr? |
| 21:38.44 | Utah_Dave | Hm, I'm not sure |
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| 21:46.55 | Utah_Dave | herlo: I don't think so. It appears the j in jUploadr stands for Java |
| 21:48.21 | herlo | Utah_Dave: ahh, thought it might be the same |
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| 22:20.06 | clutchmm | wow, that was horrible.... baens had me copy and paste my smb.conf file into the chat window and my system freaked out and went to a snail's crawl |
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| 22:23.50 | jared | has anyone used twin windows in console? |
| 22:33.21 | maquis | nope |
| 22:33.29 | sontek | twin windows? |
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| 23:15.18 | atoponce | ~onjoin jared jared: stay around a bit longer when asking a question. we're eager to respond, we just need more than a minute or two |
| 23:15.19 | jbot | atoponce: ok |
| 23:25.08 | atoponce | ok. i need some crontab help |
| 23:25.36 | atoponce | what is the '&> /dev/null' for? |
| 23:25.43 | atoponce | at the end of a crontab line |
| 23:26.14 | atoponce | just sending the return of the script to /dev/null? |
| 23:26.19 | synic | yup |
| 23:26.54 | atoponce | cool |
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