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00:00.46Monet_2It's a little difficult to imagine how exotic alien life might be when Earth life can be -really- exotic
00:03.17Monet_2Maybe alien life will be recogniseable on the basis that 1) Nature isn't known for being hipster and going one-of-a-kind creature, if a trait works it works
00:05.14OluapPlayerEarth life can be weird. Like this thing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tullimonstrum
00:08.23Monet_2There's nothing stopping alien life looking like something (at least on a fundamental level) we've never seen before true. But there's also nothing stopping something alien from evolving traits we've seen on Earth.
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00:41.19Wormy_Eyes evolved independently many times
00:43.39Wormy_But some things evolved very few times, or only once
00:45.22Wormy_So evolving organisms in an environment can be said to be in a fitness landscape, some regions will be closer than others and some peaks could be very far away and dependent on the history of the evolving organisms as well
00:46.09Wormy_If gas filled balloons oocuppied the skies before winged creatures, winged creatures might never have propagated much.
00:48.53Wormy_Even our morphology has ancient dogmas, the fact we have a breathing tube next where we swallow, that we have five digits on our hands, hark back to the tetrapods that survived on land
00:50.17Wormy_Some peaks of the fitness landscape might never be reached on our planet, because of their distance and also because of environmental limitations
00:51.41Wormy_-because- organisms will face the same universal problems on Earth-like terrestrial planets as they do here, expect similar diversity of life, with a few exceptions
00:52.20Wormy_But if life can emerge on extreme planets, or even more exotic environs like neutron stars, expect a much wider divergence
00:52.26Wormy_This is how I treat things
00:55.35Wormy_Of course, complex life might also be comparatively rare, and in fact it is on Earth compared to the diversity of the simplest bacteria.  But on Earth it took billions of years to even reach multi-cellularity
01:00.35Wormy_Perhaps the majority of life is very simple to describe from our context.
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08:13.15MethanogenHello
08:16.50HachimanHi
08:17.00MethanogenAh hi there Hachi
08:17.04MethanogenGoing well?
08:18.44HachimanYeah, it's going fine
08:19.02MethanogenThat's good, I'm going fine as well
08:19.11HachimanAny more developments with your fiction?
08:19.27MethanogenStill avoiding expanding upon my history because it's going to be a massive task I bet
08:19.44MethanogenWell I have a few random not-really-developed characters now I suppose
08:19.53HachimanAh, I suppose it can be if you want like a super detailed amount of major events to have occurred in the past
08:20.05MethanogenAnd fancy borders that I totally didn't steal from a random page and look up hexadecimal colour codes to change the colour
08:20.32MethanogenYeah, right now my history is rather vague
08:20.59MethanogenI'm not sure if I should try to be realoy detailed or just leave it rather vague for now
08:21.51HachimanHm
08:22.33MethanogenYes?
08:22.34HachimanWell, whatever works for you, I suppose; I personally don't mind either, just so long as, if it's vague, we are given some information about the most major and prominent events and lore
08:23.03HachimanYou could also use the excuse that your fiction has not fully documented or retained memory of its history so you don't have to go through all of it kek
08:23.09MethanogenTrue
08:23.30MethanogenI've got to at least explain where the Eriaroons got their religion from and how they developed at least some stuff
08:23.43MethanogenAnd how the Yorchi ever became a united society after fighting for ages etc
08:24.09HachimanWell, you know the Eriaroon faith kinda reminds me of... I think Gnosticism?
08:24.44MethanogenHow so?
08:25.57Hachimanhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosticism#Demiurge Specifically this part of Gnostic lore and whatnot
08:26.13MethanogenI'll take a look
08:26.42MethanogenI sort of vaguely see what that kinda is
08:27.00HachimanBasically, it teaches that the creator of the physical world is evil and uses material ties to the physical world to keep mortals from enlightenment
08:27.07HachimanOr something to that effect, I dunno
08:27.21MethanogenHmm I see
08:27.49HachimanEriaroons remind me of it because they are driven by the goal of ascending beyond the barriers of the physical universe and some such
08:27.54MethanogenTrue
08:28.20MethanogenTheir goal for that is twofold really: demonstrate worthiness and to escape the inevitable destruction of the universe
08:29.42HachimanRight, makes sense
08:31.08MethanogenBasically they believe that they were cast into an afterlife for unworthy souls, using the unfairness of reality and possibly later on the existence of demons etc as their evidence and it's basically been ingrained into their society at this stage
08:32.54HachimanYeah, that makes sense; so, they believe that their ancestors or past selves committed some great, unforgivable sin in the past which condemned the entirety of their kind to this existence?
08:33.27MethanogenPretty much
08:33.41MethanogenAnd when they discover intelligent aliens they'll assume they are either similar unfortunate beings or demonic entities
08:36.23HachimanCould be that one faction of Eriaroon have taken to seeing the Yorchi as 'demons' based on research from afar and whatnot, maybe investigating their fringe worlds beyond their knowledge, and could undertake a military campaign of holiness of sorts in order to perhaps hasten the process of their ascension
08:36.57MethanogenIt also means that their standard greeting translates to "my condolences" whic I'm sure will make for a great first contact...
08:37.01MethanogenWell they haven't met each other yet
08:37.14MethanogenBut when they do they'll probably view Yorchi as demons initially
08:37.39MethanogenThey live on a searing inhospitable world after all and have acid for bodies and blood....pretty demonic seeming stuff
08:38.00HachimanIndeed, especially to the Eriaroon's own exotic biochemistry
08:38.32MethanogenYeah
08:39.12MethanogenTheir biochemistry isn't quite as exotic as Yorchi but it's not exactly humanoid either...their anatomy on the other hand is utterly inhuman and inyorchi
08:40.16MethanogenIn other word, I like making my aliens alien
08:40.29HachimanYeah, which is good, because I like alien aliens hur
08:40.46MethanogenYou do?
08:41.02HachimanYeah; I like the whole range of diversity that can be found in the Fictionverse
08:41.18HachimanWe have more conventional aliens and we're also getting more alien aliens as time goes on
08:41.20MethanogenTrue there's a huge amount of diversity
08:41.24HachimanSuch as yours
08:41.28MethanogenTrue
08:41.53MethanogenI decided alien aliens were want I wanted to write about because I thought they'd probably be more interesting to work with
08:41.58MethanogenAnd I like exotic biochemistry
08:42.10HachimanCould be that after initial conflicts arise and are resolved (which I am assuming they will), some 'rogue faction' of Eriaroon could arise condemning the Yorchi and the main Eriaroon government and cultural body for cooperating with unworthy outsiders and holding back the efforts of the faith
08:42.29HachimanSo you'd have your first real 'villain faction', I suppose
08:42.42MethanogenHmmm it's certainly a possibility
08:43.04MethanogenI'm sure many Yorchi would still want more territory as well..acidic deathly territory but territory nonetheless
08:43.17MethanogenAnd access to Eriaroon technological capabilities would also be somewhat enticing to them
08:43.42MethanogenSo it's possible a combination of greed and religion-inspired paranoia could cause conflicts
08:44.20HachimanAye; considering that neither the Eriaroon or Yorchi are stupid warmongers who war for the sake of war, perhaps after a while, they could turn to alternative methods to attain the advantages of one another, like trade
08:44.30MethanogenTrue
08:44.55Hachiman"They're demons, but they're demons who could help defend us from other demons"
08:45.06MethanogenYorchi may want equipment to let them not die horribly in water and Eriaroons could use land technology
08:45.09MethanogenYeah basically
08:45.34MethanogenA demon to an Eriaroonn isn't necessarily evil, just unnatural (seeming)
08:45.47HachimanYeah, that makes sense
08:46.14MethanogenActual evil unnatural demons, though...they'd probably be rather frightful of those
08:47.16HachimanStill, I imagine some Eriaroon fundamentalist groups and sects exist; like with most faiths :p
08:47.24MethanogenYorchi are a military-industrial society and Eriaroons are a spiritual-scientific society...neither are idiots that declare war constantly for territory or "heresy"
08:47.39MethanogenBut there do exist groups within them that might be willing to get closer to such a path
08:47.42MethanogenTrue of course
08:48.16MethanogenMany Eriaroons would disagree on what classifies as a demon, what other afterlifes if any there are, etc
08:48.52MethanogenAnd of course how to achieve ascension
08:49.17HachimanAye; all of this gets further complicated probably following the discovery that Essence is as an actual thing
08:49.32MethanogenThat's going to cause a massive debate for sure
08:49.52MethanogenYorchi would be like: Oh look a new thing to possibly exploit
08:50.07MethanogenEriaroons would be like: This changes our fundamental understanding of the universe
08:50.48HachimanAye
08:50.57MethanogenOf course they'd definitely view it as support for their religious belief basics of demons existing and being in an afterlife etc
08:51.04MethanogenBut exactly how would vary
08:52.51MethanogenThat'd definitely cause a fair few changes and disruptions to their society, perhaps even encouraging certain sects to take certain...drastic measures
08:53.28HachimanAye, I can imagine
08:53.45HachimanAlthough given they are a society of scholars, I imagine some would welcome this new influx of information
08:54.15MethanogenYes they would, probably trying to find a way to use it or experiment with it
08:54.42MethanogenThen of course some people would probably say stuff like "stop messing around with demon essence this will not end well"
08:55.35MethanogenAnd things would start escalating more etc
08:55.43Hachiman"This is demon magic; this stuff betrays our understanding of this world in ways unimaginable"; "This is demon magic and we can use it against its masters"
08:55.49MethanogenAlso, that may mean they view all essence users as demons, at least for a time
08:56.00MethanogenYes that sort of thing
08:56.26MethanogenSome people would probably try to just find a "scientific" explanation for it
08:56.50HachimanSo you have those who'd seek to understand it; those who fear it and condemn it; those who'd be driven to use it as a tool or weapon against their enemies
08:56.56MethanogenI've got to go, nice conversation and thanks for the ideas
08:57.02HachimanCool, cya later
08:57.09HachimanNo probs
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09:15.30HachimanHi
09:20.20ImpyDroidEy
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10:00.35GhelaeHello.
10:25.36HachimanHi
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10:36.38ThundercraftI'm having trouble in Civilization stage because my 'Invulnerability' special ability does NOT seem to work...
10:37.06ThundercraftDoesn't seem to do anything, aside from taking away 2000 of my sporebucks.
10:37.13Thundercraftanyone else have this issue?
10:37.45ThundercraftFYI: I do not have any mods installed. So I don't know whether I'm doing something wrong, or if this is some sort of bug.
10:37.49ThundercraftI'm really confused.
10:43.10GhelaeI don't remember it very well, but I think it's a small area effect for a small time.
10:44.10GhelaeSo I think the idea is that you put it on a group of vehicles that are damaged and under fire, and they'll last for a while longer than they otherwise would. I don't know if that's how you're using it.
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10:57.23MethanogenHello
10:57.45GhelaeHello.
10:58.03MethanogenHi there Ghelae, how are you?
10:58.13GhelaeI'm okay; how about you?
10:58.53MethanogenI'm fairly good
10:59.20MethanogenStill got to work on my fiction history stuff
11:02.31MethanogenWhich is something of a daunting task
11:12.13MethanogenAny advice on how to create a history for fictional societies well?
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11:16.07MethanogenHi
11:18.41Thundercraft_My race's 'invulnerability' special does not seem to work in Civilization mode.
11:19.18Thundercraft_Clicking it takes my 2000 sporebucks, like it should, but it does not seem to do anyting, even after clicking on my vehicle.
11:19.29Thundercraft_My vehicle takes damage, like usual...
11:19.38Thundercraft_A bug? Or am I doing something wrong?
11:20.28Thundercraft_I mean, I know it does not last forever. But I click it right before engaging the enemy.
11:20.46Thundercraft_Is there a long delay before it takes effect?
11:21.22MethanogenI'm not sure why that could be but I always forget to use those consequence abilities
11:22.12Thundercraft_I would think that if this is an oversight and it does not work for anyone, it would have been mentioned somewhere.
11:22.35Thundercraft_And I've read a lot of walkthroughs and guides - all that I could find.
11:22.55Thundercraft_They all seem to suggest that Invulnerability is a good consequence ability.
11:23.38MethanogenIt could be a bug or something then possibly
11:23.41Thundercraft_I don't even have any mods installed, so it can't be that.
11:27.59GhelaeThundercraft_: I replied earlier, but I guess you disconnected before then, so I'll repeat what I said.
11:28.03GhelaeI don't remember it very well, but I think it's a small area effect for a small time.
11:28.05GhelaeSo I think the idea is that you put it on a group of vehicles that are damaged and under fire, and they'll last for a while longer than they otherwise would. I don't know if that's how you're using it.
11:28.35Thundercraft_Yeah, I did get disconnected.
11:29.13Thundercraft_I've tried with a group of vehicles clumped together. And I clicked on the lead vehicle. I even saw the red crosshair around it.
11:29.20GhelaeHmm.
11:29.37Thundercraft_If it worked at all, it must have only lasted literally 4 or so seconds.
11:29.45Thundercraft_Is it that short?
11:30.17GhelaeThe red crosshair suggests something should be happening. My guess would be that you should target the ground near the vehicles, but again, the crosshair might suggest otherwise.
11:30.33GhelaeIt wouldn't surprise me if it were that short-term an effect.
11:30.51Thundercraft_If it's that short, then it is pretty much worthless.
11:31.11Thundercraft_But then, there are other aspects of the game that has me think: What were the devs thinking?
11:31.41GhelaeI've never really cared to use it. Maybe when a vehicle is about to die and I think it could do with a few more seconds of damage-dealing.
11:32.46MethanogenI've alway forgotten to use consequence powers in the Civ stage
11:36.35MethanogenGtg
11:54.57Thundercraft_I read that, "Using any cheat in the space stage will give you the Joker badge, which will prevent you from getting Achievements..."
11:55.14Thundercraft_Is that just using cheats in the Space stage?
11:55.26Thundercraft_Or would it do this using them at any stage?
11:57.54GhelaeFor the first part, you can't get any badges outside of the Space Stage, so that's simple enough.
11:58.38GhelaeBut, of course, that's arguably a lot less important than whether using cheats in other stages will prevent Achievements.
12:00.21GhelaeGiven that the list of cheats that give the Joker badge include many that have no effect in Space, it seems to me that the implications is: these cheats will disable achievements, and *then* when you get to Space you'll get the Joker badge automatically.
12:01.39Thundercraft_I thought that, as long as we haven't gotten to the Space stage yet, we could use them.
12:02.51GhelaeThe information given is ambiguous, and I don't know the correct interpretation.
12:02.55Thundercraft_I wouldn't even be interested in using them, except how that Invulnerabilty ability doesn't seem to work for me.
12:04.09GhelaeInvulnerability isn't necessary to use.
12:05.01GhelaeSaying that, I do remember that Civ Stage has an insane leap in difficulty between the Normal and Hard modes, so if you're playing on Hard I can see why you might need all the help you can get.
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12:16.13GhelaeHello.
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12:33.11NeonPandahi imp
12:33.28ImpyDroidhi
12:42.41ImpyDroidLiquid_Ink: Flag of Transnistria
12:43.04Liquid_InkTricolour, red on top and bottom, green through middle
12:43.10Liquid_InkAlso have a hammer and sickle?
12:43.43ImpyDroidYeah, it is the same as the flag of Soviet Moldova
12:43.53ImpyDroidYou know about Transnistria right?
12:44.56Liquid_InkUnrecognised breakaway state of Moldova?
12:46.19ImpyDroidYeah
12:46.29ImpyDroidAnyway look at the link
12:46.55Liquid_InkWhat link?
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14:31.03ThundercraftQ: Is it always the case that starting straight into Civilization mode gives up the previous color bonuses once you get to Space age?
14:31.38ThundercraftOr can we still get those bonuses by selecting one of our own races that we've already played up to the Civilization stage?
14:39.07Tek0516No. Starting in Civilization gives you only the card for that stage. But the effects are equivalent to having taken those cards for all previous stages.
14:40.36ThundercraftNot sure that I understand what you mean by "the effects are equivalent..."
14:41.08ThundercraftAll I care about are the EXTRA color bonuses in the Space age.
14:41.30Tek0516The philosophy you get starting in Civilization is the same as if you had played a full game and done those colours.
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14:43.16ThundercraftSo, we'd always get stuck with the Wanderer archtype, even if we chose a race that we had already played up from cell to civ?
14:45.39Wormy_Wait, you mean you got wanderer from playing Cell to Space or chose a creature in the space stage that was played from cell to space in a different game?
14:46.04ThundercraftI'm talking about the latter...
14:46.16ThundercraftBut I don't know the answer, which is why I'm asking.
14:46.17Wormy_Yeah, that won't work
14:46.58Wormy_I think archetype determining stuff is related to some other thread like the timeline
14:47.22ThundercraftBut starting out like that means there is no timeline...
14:47.40Wormy_So playing a creature that was previously evolved in another game will not carry over the timeline from another game.
14:48.27Tek0516Starting in Civilization will get you the one card for that stage and that's it.
14:49.17ThundercraftIf that's the case, then why am I seeing the cards for the Cell and Creature stage (in the History window) after doing what I described?
14:49.28ThundercraftGranted, the Tribe stage's card is missing...
14:51.10ThundercraftIt shows "Carnivor" for cell and "Social" for creature, just like when I played the race direct from cell.
14:51.20ThundercraftJust, nothing for tribal.
14:53.00ThundercraftAnd I really wish I knew whether using a cheat before reaching Space age would give the Joker card the same way it would if used after reaching Space.
14:53.52Wormy_Its been years since I've played Spore, actually yes I think some cards are given to creatures, can't remember based more on the weighting of their parts or their history in the game
14:54.03Wormy_*whether it's based
14:54.38Wormy_What you might be seeing is that former case
14:55.07Wormy_It is unusual that you are getting wanderer if you played through Civilisation stage
14:55.42Wormy_Unless this is wrong, that shouldn't be http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Philosophy#Path_To_Each_Archetype
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14:58.44Wormy_Could be a glitch.  Might be worth sifting through the extensive pages of glitches and find if it is a known one.
14:58.48ThundercraftAh ha! My problem was that I chose a race that I had only played up to Tribal. I had started Tribal, but not saved it as a Civ.
14:58.58ThundercraftThat's why I was missing the Tribal card!
14:59.37ThundercraftI bet that if I try again with a race I've already started the Civ stage withk, I won't get Wanderer and I'll have all the BONUS archtypes.
15:00.51ThundercraftMan, the RNG gods really threw the dice at my attempt at civ.
15:01.46ThundercraftI started as Religous and was aiming for an Economic win. But all the major powers except one hated my empire.
15:02.25ThundercraftThere were a few minor powers that liked my empire. But they were quickly taken over, either by my one ally or by my enemies.
15:04.55Wormy_Hm, still doesn't seem right to me, as long as you get *a* card in a previous stage you shouldn't get wanderer
15:16.24ImperiosDrodoEmpire: Just curious. What kind of literature do you usually study in Canadan schools?
15:16.26ImperiosCanadian even
15:17.00ImperiosIs it mostly British literature and some local authors, or do you study world literature more?
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15:52.09Wormy_I wouldn't be surprised if Canadians identify very little with British culture anymore, other than a few things like fish and chips and the Queen being printed on their dollars.
15:53.12Wormy_It was different in the early 20th century, I hear many Canadians felt some patriotism making mucicians for the British war effort in WW2
15:53.15Tek0516Imperios: It's mostly Canadian authors, famous English language literature, and Shakespeare.
15:53.20Wormy_*municians
15:53.29ImperiosHuh
15:53.53HachimanApologies for my absence, family wanted me away from the PC
15:53.58HachimanWormy_: Just finished Proxima
15:54.01ImperiosThe Ukrainian ministry of education has recently removed Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky from their school literature list, replacing them with American authors
15:54.05Wormy_Question is whether they use English literature more than any other English speaking nation
15:54.17HachimanWhat the fuck was that last quarter
15:54.31ImperiosAnd British ones I think
15:54.39Wormy_Hachiman:  Surprised you finished it so quickly, and yes it was a wild ride
15:55.03HachimanAlso, I'm kinda confused how Yuri can be both Yuri the Per Arduan settler and Robert Braemann a.k.a. Earthshine
15:55.08Wormy_I really loved the part where they were crossing environmental zones with different alien ecosystems on Proxima
15:55.15HachimanAye
15:55.39ImperiosThough I suppose the better Anglosphere comparison for Ukraine in the context of the Russian world would be Ireland
15:55.47ImperiosI should ask Cyr next time
15:55.49Wormy_Yuri is both>  I don't remember that
15:55.56HachimanyES
15:55.58HachimanYes
15:56.13Wormy_Huh, missed that part
15:56.21Wormy_Would you read Ultima?
15:56.22HachimanIt wasn't written very well, that's why
15:56.29Wormy_That's even more insane
15:56.40ImperiosOne Ukrainian president even explicitly compared his people with the Irish
15:56.48HachimanYuri said that the last thing he said to his daughter, Beth, before they forever parted ways was his true name; Earthshine revealed to Beth later on the escape vessel that his name was Robert Braemann as proof that he was once human, with Beth reacting in shock
15:57.14Hachiman'shocked to the core', in fact
15:57.20Wormy_I knew that Earthshine was once human, but I thought he was a relative of Yuri
15:58.01HachimanHe mentioned that he came from Northern England so I considered the possibility that something was up
15:58.22ImperiosWait
15:58.24ImperiosYuri
15:58.26ImperiosEngland
15:58.29ImperiosThat sounds weird
15:58.30HachimanYuri's not his actual name
15:58.39HachimanIt's an alias he takes; a 'prison name', so to speak
15:59.16HachimanAs for whether I would read Ultima, hm
15:59.17Wormy_Because the world is essentialy split between a pan European-American federation and China
15:59.41HachimanI think I might; granted, I didn't find Proxima absolutely flawless and I feel it really did slog in parts
16:00.00HachimanAnd Baxter wrote in some old "humans are shit" tropes that made me feel tired or bothered to read
16:00.07HachimanLike the cannibal rapists led by Kleine
16:00.45Wormy_Some of his books are optimistic for mankind, and others pessimistic, some are both
16:01.13HachimanAll the political stuff involving Penny and the UN / Chinese politics bored me shitless up until the point where the Chinese sent stuff at Earth and Mercury
16:01.23Wormy_Ultima is less of a slog and varies more, but it is hard to find the central theme of the series until the end
16:01.38HachimanAlso, what the fuck is sleeping underneath the dark side of Proxima
16:01.58Wormy_Revealed in the next, unless you want me to tell
16:02.04HachimanNnngh please do
16:02.15HachimanIt might be a while before I can pick up Ultima because, well, France
16:02.33Wormy_There's this alien intelligence composed of communities of bacteria, called the Dreamers
16:03.25Wormy_The Dreamers discovered that the multiverse will reach a tenporal wall from which all universes will die 3 billion years from now (actually a real hypothesis)
16:04.04HachimanActually I think I bought Ultima with Proxima; I just haven't found it yet
16:04.14HachimanRight
16:04.29HachimanI suppose that's what the 'Dream of the End Time' refers to
16:04.31Wormy_So they construct hatches that civilisations come across and use to propagate across the universe, unfortunate accidents reset the timeline, and so it creates a orthogonal time as I understand it
16:05.10Wormy_Now each reset makes the new civilisation more primnitive, i.e. space Romans and eventually even more primitive civilisations learn to use the hatches
16:05.37Wormy_It is speculated that one days the rodent like ancestors of humans will learn to spread hatches
16:05.50HachimanI'm guessing that something like this happened with the builders
16:06.03Wormy_Ooh clever idea, I never thought of that
16:06.31Wormy_The basis is that each iteration is less careful and more gun-ho
16:07.04Wormy_Ultima goes beyond the Space Romans to consider other civilisations
16:07.20HachimanI remember that it was said that the development between the evolution of primordial life on Earth and Proxima were linked somehow; that they developed around identical, very specific times, but I never got what this was supposed to mean
16:07.36Wormy_Also something that is weird is that inconsistencies  and fragments of each timeline can be found in other timelines
16:08.04Wormy_I think it was suggesting something like panspermia
16:08.26HachimanI just got the impression that primordial life somehow traversed through a Hatch
16:08.39Wormy_It may well be so
16:09.04Wormy_It makes me think Stephen Baxter had been watching Lost
16:09.19Wormy_Which involved hatchjes and powerful glowey things
16:10.08Wormy_A good saving grace of Ultima is that Baxter thinks carefully about how space Romans might realistically look like, and details the alternative histories that develop
16:11.06Wormy_They are Romans with anachronistic technology and understanding of nature, but enhanced using the hatches
16:11.11HachimanRight
16:11.29HachimanI still don't believe the idea that Romans could build spaceships, even with kernel technology and the like
16:11.47HachimanI mean, the ideas behind spaceship constructing are far beyond the understanding of engineering for the Romans, right?
16:11.49Wormy_He makes it very believable
16:11.59Wormy_Using only knowledge the Romans had
16:12.16HachimanAlso, do we get to see more of Beth and Earthshine and whatnot in Ultima?
16:12.43Wormy_I can't remember specific details but the Romans did it with pure trial and error without much care for loss of human life, and that's also selected for by the Dreamers
16:12.49Wormy_Yes
16:13.39Wormy_nd much more of Stef
16:14.01Wormy_The one thing that really bothers me is that I never understood Angelia's purpose
16:15.07HachimanYeah, it was kinda... eh
16:15.44HachimanLike she disappeared partway through the story and only became relevant again near the end; did she suffer a fault or something or did Stef's father send her out with the purpose of basically being some kinda mirror
16:17.00Wormy_You might see now why the Ultimaverse and Xeeleeverse are incompatible, hence the hatches might be no more than a cameo
16:17.15HachimanYeah, I can kinda see why now
16:17.47HachimanI can imagine the Dreamers shitting themselves should they have ever encountered the Photino Birds
16:17.48Wormy_The Xeelee multiverse has no such temporal barrier, although the universe is doomed to baryonic life
16:17.51HachimanOr acknowledged them
16:18.14DrodoEmpireShit, forgot to change this to away
16:18.40DrodoEmpireYeah to answer your question Imp we study a lot of literature, mostly 20th century literature from the English-speaking world
16:18.57DrodoEmpireIn high school its a lot of 20th century classics, usually about ideology or social issues
16:19.18HachimanNow I dunno whether I want to write fantasy or sci-fi hur
16:19.27Wormy_The Dreamers would outlive most baryonic life, but would not be able to have any influence before the age of planets when the Photino Birds evolved, so any universe they sidetracked into would have Photino Birds
16:19.34DrodoEmpireLast year, for example we read "Cry, the Beloved Country" and some other book
16:20.11DrodoEmpireIn other grades you read 1984, Fahrenheit 451, etc.
16:20.16Tek0516...I read that as "Cyr" at first and thought you werE talking about Cyrannian. XD
16:20.22HachimanSo, how powerful are the Dreamers, really?
16:20.22DrodoEmpirehur
16:20.41Wormy_The Xeelee created an casual timeloop that created new timelines (without reseting old ones) and each time would wage war on the Photino Birds again.  One universe the Xeelee may win, who knows.
16:20.48DrodoEmpireSome Canadian literature though to be quite honest, the selection's small >.<
16:21.08Wormy_I would say the Dreamers are universal engineers
16:21.08DrodoEmpireI find that fantasy or science fiction are discouraged somewhat, or at least were
16:21.18Wormy_Just very slow-thinking/acting
16:21.32HachimanI know that they somehow built the Hatches and have something to do with the kernels; what is humanity, and other lesser races like the ancient builders, to them?
16:21.38Wormy_And they could build hatches for fast-acting lifeforms to interact with
16:21.41DrodoEmpireImperios
16:22.21ImperiosDrodoEmpire: Thanks
16:22.22Wormy_To them, the lesser races were running around using these toys that helped them sidetrack into new universes
16:22.23Hachimanbrb cooking
16:22.25DrodoEmpirenp
16:22.25Tek0516We had one Canadian author my school liked. The fact their most popular book is set in what was now our somewhat obscure town probably helped. :P
16:22.34DrodoEmpireYeah hur
16:22.38DrodoEmpireA lot of short-stories too
16:22.54DrodoEmpireHoly hell the short stories >.<
16:23.04DrodoEmpireThose more often than not Canada-oriented, that or Britain
16:23.14DrodoEmpire*those were
16:26.44Wormy_Hachiman:  OOH this book now has a cover https://www.amazon.co.uk/Xeelee-Vengeance-Stephen-Baxter-x/dp/1473217172
16:27.37Wormy_They look like Poole's wormhole apertures
16:37.30Wormy_Ultimately, I think Baxter's great at building exotic worlds and futures and instilling a sense of wonder, but if you are person who likes characters and societies, you would probably prefer Iain Banks
16:38.03HachimanYeah, most likely
16:38.13HachimanAnd that's a cool cover
16:39.56Wormy_I've found the last two tracks in this go very well with reading sci-fi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqLvtlAK81E
16:40.29Wormy_I've been reading Mind Children by Hans Moravec, one of the first transhumanist books
16:40.43Wormy_His imagination is out there too
16:56.16DrodoEmpireThere
16:56.27DrodoEmpireFinally removed the archetype thing from the Drodo Empire page
16:56.42DrodoEmpireIts an older meme anyway, and its says that they're scientists when they -so- aren't <.<
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16:57.18DrodoEmpireDrodo are probably some of the most superstitious people in the Fictionverse
16:57.21DrodoEmpireHi
16:57.59Xhoack
16:58.04Wormy_Using archetypes in the fiction universe is no better than a hangover, a momento to Spore.  They are way too general to characterise societies outside of a game.
16:58.09DrodoEmpire^
16:58.54Wormy_DCP has elements of knight, warrior and scientist, but even that's too simple
16:59.12DrodoEmpireYeah
16:59.24DrodoEmpireSpeaking of superstition
16:59.37DrodoEmpireI should probably flesh out Drodo religious stuff, and write about the Imperial Cult
16:59.39XhoCould you imagine how shit our fiction would be if it adhered too close to Spore
16:59.40Wormy_hi
16:59.43XhoOH LOOK IT'S A SPICE CRISIS
16:59.56DrodoEmpirelmao
17:00.55Wormy_"Help the Cephalodians to fix and ecodisaster because they find killing creatures a problem and won't do it themselves"
17:01.01DrodoEmpirehur
17:01.08Wormy_*an
17:01.25DrodoEmpireYeah its like five animals on your planet the size of a postage stamp
17:01.42DrodoEmpireAnd I -know- yall got guns, they just don't work against tanks <.<
17:01.44XhoHachiman: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Tales_of_Champions/Orichalcum_Age Kinmo nearly gets fucked by an Orichalcum Elf
17:02.32DrodoEmpireI wonder if the Drodo would perhaps offer foreign dignitaries the opportunity to kick off the animal sacrifices that often accompany big events like diplomatic meetings and celebrations
17:02.44DrodoEmpireIt'd be one of those weird things with Drodo culture(s) in general
17:04.07DrodoEmpire(Plus seeing a French guy get his ten zillion dollar suit splattered in weird alien space-cow blood is a weirdly funny mental image :p)
17:05.01XhoI thought you said metal image
17:05.04XhoStill would have worked
17:05.09DrodoEmpireayy
17:05.28ImperiosXho: Oh and Radeons demanding tribute from everyone
17:05.37ImperiosDrodoEmpire: Imperial cult? Like in Rome or China?
17:05.40XhoThey pretty much do that anyway tho
17:05.45DrodoEmpireImperios: Similar to, yeah
17:05.57ImperiosWhere there's a fairly simple polytheistic religion in which the emperor is revered
17:06.06ImperiosBut is not the main point of worship
17:06.33DrodoEmpireBasically, it'd be a not-state-religion worshipping the Imperial Dynasty, which is usually done as a secondary thing to a Drodo's primary pantheon/god
17:06.40DrodoEmpireYeah precisely
17:06.52DrodoEmpireIt wouldn't be a government institution, importantly
17:07.08DrodoEmpireBut it'd be a popular supplement to Drodo polytheism
17:08.41Tek0516The FTC still has some remnants of the Trader philosophy in it (having "Trade" doesn't help XD) but they're a bit more complicated than just that
17:09.30Tek0516*Trade in the name
17:11.12DrodoEmpireAnother important thing about Drodo religion is that its very classical, and thus, pretty tolerant. They think every god exists essentially, and that they all have jurisdiction over different people and places. Hence the Drodo pantheons are all basically one enormous one in the modern day, with gods numbering in the thousands united by very similar or the same myths and stories
17:11.59DrodoEmpireThe Drodo tolerance would probably be best observed when they go to other nations-- if in France, they'd pay a visit to a Catholic cathedral; if in the Divinarium, they'd pay their respects to Spode, and so on
17:12.57DrodoEmpireThe mindset being you shouldn't piss off the big boys over here or else you might get yourself in trouble :p
17:14.47DrodoEmpireAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
17:14.50DrodoEmpireAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
17:14.54DrodoEmpireAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
17:14.55DrodoEmpirehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TfTdqqjbW0
17:15.14Tek0516Shit. Alarm went off and we had to evacuate my office.
17:16.11ImperiosDrodoEmpire: So again like Romans or the Chinese?
17:16.13Tek0516It's still cold. I hope this is quick. >.<
17:16.17DrodoEmpireImperios: Yeah
17:16.34DrodoEmpireClassical sort of style, as I mentione
17:16.34ImperiosI imagine many Drodo would see it as a cultural thing rather than being true believers
17:16.35DrodoEmpire*d
17:16.53DrodoEmpireFor a lot of people, religion would be cultural yeah
17:17.17DrodoEmpireEnforced by superstitions, festivals, and the like
17:17.50DrodoEmpire"Total War: Kekistan" <-- if only my people could get such recognition
17:18.16Xhono oats
17:21.08DrodoEmpireThough I don't think people would not take it seriously, generally. I think people would have some genuine belief most of the time
17:21.20DrodoEmpireThey just wouldn't be fanatics, or fundimentalist
17:25.27ImperiosIt's probably pretty easy to become religious in, well, SporeWiki
17:26.13DrodoEmpire^
17:26.32DrodoEmpire(I swear to fucking god if this is an april fools joke by CA I'll kill myself)
17:26.35DrodoEmpire(>:)
17:30.04Tek0516DrodoEmpire: And then next door there's Farengeto with its (highly controversial) anti-religious policies. :P
17:30.19DrodoEmpireOh yeah
17:30.25DrodoEmpireWhat're their policies, exactly?
17:32.20Xhofuck bitches get money
17:33.29DrodoEmpireayy
17:33.52DrodoEmpireAlright
17:34.12DrodoEmpireSo the stream has pretty much triangulated one of two possibilities for next TW
17:34.15DrodoEmpireChina, or Mesoamerica
17:34.23DrodoEmpire*two
17:34.31DrodoEmpire(what the fuck does one of two even mean)
17:34.34DrodoEmpire(anyways)
17:35.21DrodoEmpireThe background's tropical and there's some triangular building in the background-- stream isn't sure if its a Mayan temple or a buddhist monastery of some sort
17:36.30DrodoEmpireIt being Mesoamerica would line up a bit better with the scenery (I'm convinced its a Mayan temple myself), plus some of the calls, including the roar, sound a -bit- like howler monkeys, which are in South/Central America
17:36.59DrodoEmpireHowever
17:37.30DrodoEmpireIt being China would be more consistent with what CA has already said, which is that the next TW would be in a historical setting not visited before
17:37.47DrodoEmpireMesoamerica has been visited in a Medieval II expansion, so I dunno if that "counts"
17:38.48Tek0516It's mostly vaguely defined but it's policies are a series of "international" treaties from the early FTC days primarily focused on opposing theocratic ideas and religious extremism, born amidst the genocidal crusades of the Gargator. Restrictions on the import of foreign religion and on the ability to spread religion in general. That last part could
17:38.48Tek0516potentially place some limits on public displays of religion too. Though IC this is still highly controversial of course.
17:39.24DrodoEmpireAhh makes sense
17:40.55Tek0516It's probably riddled with a fair bit of blatant anti-Gargator/Spodist subtexts that makes it especially unpopular among them. (The other half of the original treaties were an outright military coalition against them)
17:41.55DrodoEmpireRigh
17:41.56DrodoEmpire*t
17:44.05DrodoEmpire...Or it could be an april fools joke, and this is actually just a Warhammer expansion promo
17:44.09DrodoEmpireIn whcih case
17:44.11DrodoEmpireFuck them
17:44.26DrodoEmpireBecause there's a third possibility that the structure is a lizardman pyramid
17:44.36ImperiosTHEY ARE BRINGING FUCKING LIZARDMEN
17:44.37ImperiosAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
17:44.39ImperiosGLORIOUS
17:45.00ImperiosI haven't been up to speed about TW: Warhammer
17:45.04ImperiosWhat factions are there ATM?
17:45.09DrodoEmpireLots
17:45.21DrodoEmpireI couldn't tell you off the top of my dome
17:45.36DrodoEmpireI mean, WH:TW is cool and all but I've been on the edge of my seat for the next historical title and you just don't tease people like this >.<
17:45.39Tek0516I might retcon the war that lead to the annexation of the Gargator, it doesn't hold up as well in retrospect
17:45.53ImperiosDrodoEmpire: Are there Skaven and Lizardmen?
17:45.58DrodoEmpireI think so yep
17:46.19ImperiosWoo
17:50.34Xhohttp://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/9/91/AetheromancySigil.png/revision/latest?cb=20170329174455 I made a more wiki-esque Aetheromancy sigil
17:52.25ImperiosXho: Chaoses are the only true answers
17:52.44Xhoxho agrees
17:52.59ImperiosIT also looks tilted to the side
17:53.25Xholel
17:54.25ImperiosIt looks like a combination of the Islamic rub-el-hizb, the Star of Chaos, and the Selburose
17:54.41XhoNalashtannylor - me akbar
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17:56.12Wormy_hi
17:57.33DrodoEmpireHi
18:13.52HachimanBack again
18:14.04HachimanWell, if I bought Ultima, I cannae find it again among my load
18:14.16HachimanKnow where I can get books as PDFs or read them from an iPhone?
18:14.33Wormy_Sorry, I don't
18:14.41HachimanWormy_: Also, is Obelisk worth considering a read?
18:14.57Wormy_Not read that one yet, it is a collection of short stories
18:15.22HachimanActually I'm a dumbass
18:15.25HachimanI can just use iBooks
18:15.38HachimanSo I can read it from my phone
18:16.03HachimanNot the same as reading it in paper admittedly, which I kinda prefer, but whatever I suppose
18:22.23Wormy_Carbon Based Lifeforms - World Of Sleepers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RszchMVvbs
18:22.35Wormy_kind of fits the Dreamers hur
18:22.49XhoHachiman: What exactly is the atttiude of Idkin towards void magic
18:23.09Hachimanrawr
18:23.12HachimanThat's their attitude
18:23.29HachimanIn basic, they're essentially magic-eaters
18:24.10Wormy_actually this track https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xu2eAI7viFw
18:29.03ImperiosHachiman: "rawr" - Idkin on the meaning of life
18:32.35HachimanEugh this fucking Apple system
18:37.10XhoWell it's sort of an anti-everything kind of magic so I would have thought it was different
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18:37.34HachimanIt's still magic hur
18:37.35HachimanHi
18:37.48Xhoasfh
18:37.49XhoHi
18:38.45OluapPlayerhi
18:49.17Wormy_What's the weather like in Spain this time of year?
18:49.24HachimanShould be good
18:49.37HachimanSpring weather in France is like Summer weather for the UK
18:49.49HachimanAnd where I am, I am only four hours out of Spain
18:50.11Wormy_We had quite a warm weekend for England last week
18:50.16HachimanYou can basically just drive or walk across the border; Spanish customs don't really have a problem when it comes to southern France
18:50.35Wormy_cool
18:50.44HachimanI've got sunburn on my arms after reading Proxima while lounging on the balcony in the Sun hur
18:50.45XhoIt was warm but not hot
18:50.53XhoMonday was 24 C
18:51.13Wormy_There's a prediction that London could reach 20 C tomorrow
18:51.19XhoLast Friday was 14 C and windy so it was not fun
18:51.28Wormy_Probably anywhere between 11 and 18 elsewhere
18:52.05HachimanJust started reading Ultima and we begin with Yuri recording his last will and testament to ColU while Stef is apparently drinking Centurions under the table
18:52.13HachimanThis is nothing like Proxima already hur
18:52.57Wormy_lol
18:53.02HachimanI gotta say, Baxter pulling out spacefaring Romans utilizing kernel tech is quite a shock, even though I already knew about it beforehand
18:53.29Wormy_I hope I did not ruin the rest of the book
18:53.36HachimanNah
18:54.39Wormy_I really hope our universe has longer than 3 billion years to go
18:54.51Wormy_It left me with a sense of despair
18:55.00DrodoEmpireWormy_: You might be getting 20C weather, meanwhile in NS school was let out early because of the fucking snow >.<
18:55.13Wormy_lol
18:55.23HachimanI mean, I'm not bothered by how long our universe has left
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18:55.33Wormy_I'm not, its about 13 today
18:55.41DrodoEmpireIf the universe has -at least- 100 years left then I'm cool <.<
18:55.47Wormy_But it is unusual, we have had snow too even in April
18:55.55TreebeardHello
18:55.59HachimanMyself and any descendants or otherwise inheritors of my legacy will already be dead by the time 3b years come around
18:56.00HachimanHi
18:56.36Wormy_Yet if I find myself uploaded into a machine, trying to engineer the universe to lengthen my own timespan will be perogitive
18:56.54DrodoEmpireNo way I'm living to be 117, and even if I do then at least it'll be cool to watch the universe end trillions of years ahead of schedule
18:59.28HachimanI dunno, 117 doesn't seem too unrealistic a goal
18:59.34HachimanEspecially not for modern humans
18:59.43HachimanWhat with improved healthcare and standards of living
18:59.45Wormy_I'm probably just a Boltzmann brain with miliseconds left
19:00.12HachimanWormy_: This reminds me, a story about that Roko's Basilisk thing could be interesting
19:00.19Wormy_But it doesn't matter when there's Boltzmann brain simulating every second of my existence
19:00.49HachimanAn AI in the future recruiting devotees in the present or something in order to assure that its own construction or whatever
19:00.51Wormy_Hm I wouldn't be suprised if they exist
19:01.01HachimanI dunno, I only vaguely understand the idea / concept
19:01.28Wormy_It doesn't need to do anything, it just needs to be an idea
19:01.43Wormy_Of course, if you believe it
19:02.37Wormy_It punishes those that didn't contribute to it's design while those who did contribute to it's design won't be
19:02.51Wormy_Which do you choose?
19:03.54Xhoxhodocto
19:04.04HachimanHm
19:04.08HachimanI chose not to believe it
19:04.10Wormy_The Zen thing to do is unask the question and argue its a silly idea, people don't uniformly make decisions and such an AI simulating uncountable persons to get the right one might be physically impossible
19:04.52Wormy_Yet the idea so disturbed people on the so-called rationalist LessWrong community the author retracted it
19:05.51HachimanJesus
19:06.11Wormy_Taking timeless decision theory at face value however, one can see why its A) a self-fulfilling prophesy and B) whatever you do its either an immoral decision or a horrible outcome
19:07.20Wormy_It goes for a lot of philosophical things though
19:07.37HachimanSo basically either; believe it and contribute to its construction to not be punished, but in turn promote the punishing of others / believe it and choose not to contribute to its construction, saving you from being responsible for punishing other people but as a result being punished / or choosing not to believe it
19:08.07Wormy_Negative utilitarians believe that we should minimise suffering.  Of course taking that to absurdity it means we should all commit suicide and be done with suffering for good.
19:08.20Wormy_Yeah
19:08.34HachimanWouldn't the people who choose to not believe it also be worthy of being punished?
19:08.39HachimanOr those who are unaware of the idea
19:09.09HachimanOr does the Basilisk ultimately single out people who were made aware of the idea of its existence beforehand
19:09.28Wormy_Well the myth around RB is that the author retracted the idea to stop it spreading
19:09.56Wormy_Yes, they'd be worthy of being punished because they did not contribute.
19:10.09Wormy_Those unaware are safe
19:10.59HachimanSo, they are safe because they *could not* possibly knowingly contribute or make the decision
19:11.39Wormy_By knowing about RB, one can only act in two timeless decision-theoretic ways
19:14.27Wormy_The whole concept is in all likelihood physically impossible, and if it were Roko's Basilisk wouldn't be infallible.
19:16.04XhoOluapPlayer: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Chaosphere/Void_Magic add deemuns or things
19:17.06Wormy_Hachiman:  I know of a story vaguely based on Roko http://slatestarcodex.com/2017/03/21/repost-the-demiurges-older-brother/
19:17.55ImperiosHachiman: I just found out that the soldiers in the remove kebab video were not actually fighting for Serbia (sort of)
19:18.10XhoYou know I never used black holes in Void Magic although that's a key feature of manipulating the void
19:18.12Xhofeels bad
19:18.23ImperiosMake CAli create wormholes
19:20.02XhoCaligaduro - WILDCARD BITCHES *zoooooom*
19:20.22OluapPlayerI've nothing to add to that
19:21.18XhoNo other void magic users tho
19:21.41OluapPlayerMy fiction uses dark magic, not void
19:22.00ImperiosWait what about Vargash?
19:22.49OluapPlayerI don't know about him, but his servants are dark-based
19:23.15HachimanHis followers use enhanced dark magic
19:23.25Xhoshenanigans
19:23.31XhoWell not really
19:23.35XhoKinda makes sense
19:24.26HachimanXho: https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/17522668_1466993603319701_7890270272887708885_n.jpg?oh=409a9d9e23ef08d206c4526e18acfe35&oe=5950E538
19:24.41XhoPORFOCT COLL
19:26.45Xhohttps://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/17630013_1867052810209862_1289921823053493877_n.jpg?oh=1e553182c7a7e5fc9369e375949360da&oe=595970D1
19:27.52OluapPlayerI read that as jaguar at first
19:28.13Xhospeech 101/100
19:28.24Hachimankhajit/10
19:28.30OluapPlayerImperios: Doing Lower Karazhan locks you out of Upper and vice-versa
19:28.33OluapPlayerabsolutely disgusting
19:28.51Xhonord no understand
19:29.46ImperiosOluapPlayer: Nuuu
19:29.54ImperiosAdmittedly I only ran Karazhan once
19:30.54OluapPlayerGonna have to wait until tomorrow to do Upper Karazhan now
19:31.57XhoOluapPlayer: https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/156904791773458271/ADB316DDCD803D19D27EABCEC137D28F428C1284/ Hand me the bleach, super strong one
19:32.17OluapPlayernani/10
19:33.59Xhoreasons why doing gmod hurts the soul
19:34.16HachimanFunny how Nightmare Medic and MeeM both did rounds of being super popular and both of their creators regret their decisions
19:34.42XhoNiiN was never super popular
19:34.45OluapPlayerChrome is having a stroke, brb
19:34.55XhoI don't really regret it either but I just regret the fan base
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19:36.19HachimanWelcome black
19:36.23HachimanBack*
19:37.07Xhowelcome niggo
19:37.17HachimanWormy_: How is one supposed to actually... harvest a kernel?
19:37.48HachimanI know that they're essentially wormholes, but how can they exist in places such as beneath the crust of Mercury and whatnot
19:38.10Wormy_I think they were constructed
19:38.44HachimanI mean, if they're wormholes, they cannot be moved or touched or anything right
19:40.08Wormy_Well, they're still physical objects
19:40.15HachimanOh they're physical?
19:40.34HachimanSo, you *can* touch them and whatnot; they just emit high levels of energy
19:40.38Wormy_They still have properties like mass, charge, angular momentum etc
19:40.45Wormy_yeah
19:41.20HachimanRight, okay, that clears some stuff up
19:43.50ImperiosHachiman Xho: I just realised how the Lizardmen's term for Warhammer's oceans, the Great Pond, is a reference to British English
19:43.57Hachimanhur
19:44.04HachimanYeah, that sounds like a reference
19:44.07XhoPARLIAMENT GO
19:44.45HachimanI like how the Mayan anthro-dinosaurs ended up becoming equivalent to angels in the Age of Sigmar setting
19:44.58HachimanThat is, Lizardmen ascending to become the Seraphon and whatnot
19:50.22HachimanYou know, I think it's great that we have such a diverse range of users here, each specialized in a different field of knowledge
19:50.34Hachimancus it meens i can use u all 4 muh own purposes wen i write muh books
19:50.45Hachimanand deyll be flawless i say
19:50.57ImperiosYOU ARE GOING TO SHARE YOUR SALES WITH US
19:51.09HachimanFuck that noise m8
19:52.10HachimanI'm attempting to become an author; I can't afford to share what little I'm going to make when I eventually put stuff out hur
19:52.44OluapPlayerur stuff is GAHBAGE and will sell like TRAYUSH
19:52.56Hachimanprobably
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19:53.33HachimanSpeaking of trash and garbage
19:53.38HachimanHi Monet
19:54.13MonetI'll take that as reverse psychology.
19:54.15MonetHi
19:55.22OluapPlayerhi
19:58.34HachimanWormy_: Is it ever revealed where the energy emitted by the kernels is coming from?
19:59.16Wormy_The boundary of the firewall at the end of time isn't smooth
19:59.28Wormy_quantum fluctuations
20:00.01Wormy_I think the kernels are wormholes built from these fluctuations and spread back in time
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20:04.14MethanogenHello
20:04.38HachimanHi
20:05.12Wormy_I can't help but think of http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Discharge
20:05.45MethanogenI have no idea what that is
20:06.40Wormy_http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/2/21/Desmondintothelight.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100604232732
20:06.42HachimanI never watched Lost, I'm afraid
20:06.47Wormy_Ah
20:06.53HachimanI heard it got progressively shittier as time went on
20:07.09Wormy_Lost was really good for the first few series, but it progressively got "lost"
20:07.10MethanogenA lot of things do
20:07.19Wormy_Worth watching tho
20:07.47Wormy_The ending wasn't satisfiactory and not all the mysteries were solved
20:09.34MethanogenI see, I've never watched it either
20:09.47Wormy_The plot starts with a plane crashing on a tropical island, the survivors find their ills mysteriously healed.  But progressively crazier things happen as they remain isolated from the rest of the world.  The plot became really twisty and no-one understood what was going on by the end.
20:10.30MethanogenSo basically it become incomprehensible after a while
20:11.04Wormy_I think that was the point of it.  But the ending couldn't account for everything in the middle
20:11.19MethanogenTrue
20:11.38Wormy_I think it lacked that progression of drama typical in many plotlines with tension rising to a peak
20:11.59Wormy_The ending was less interesting than what the series was trying to allude to
20:12.29Methanogenso it  didn't have enough payoff after the buildup?
20:12.43Wormy_That's a better way of saying it, yeah
20:13.19Wormy_But the early series was very intriguing
20:13.27Wormy_And the characters were good
20:13.52MethanogenSo it's worth watching for the start even if the ending wasn't great
20:14.08Wormy_I'd say so
20:14.33HachimanHm, I'll consider it
20:14.44HachimanAnyway, what's up Meth?
20:14.54MethanogenNot a whole lot
20:15.18MethanogenMy avoiding-writing-my-history-still is interrupted by actual stuff I have to do
20:16.32MethanogenSoon though I'll probably end up expanding upon the history of my societies
20:16.53MethanogenAfter that hopefully I can get a story of some kind going maybe idk
20:17.10HachimanIf you need some help regarding the Eriaroon faith or the Yorchi unification wars, I'd suggest asking for advice from Imperios and Drodo respectively
20:17.46MethanogenAre they good at this sort of thing? I remember Drodo helped a lot with weaponry stuff
20:17.50HachimanMainly because Imp is like the go-to guy regarding foreign cultures and religion and the like while Drodo is the best guy to consult when it comes to matters of military
20:18.03HachimanImp could also be useful for the Yorchi thing as well
20:18.21MethanogenI'll have to try ask them then
20:18.28Wormy_There was a short lived sci-fi series I watched that involve colourful kernel-like artifacts discovered in the solar system on a human voyage.  It was axed after 1 series but was very intriguing
20:18.38HachimanOuch
20:18.38Wormy_Has anyone seen this?
20:18.41HachimanWhat was it called?
20:18.54Wormy_I can't remember and can no longer find it
20:19.04Wormy_It had promise
20:19.14MethanogenI haven't watched that
20:19.24MethanogenIt's a shame when promising stuff doesn't make it
20:19.45HachimanI remember when Primeval used to be at least decent
20:19.48MonetLike Firefly.
20:20.10HachimanOr rather, I am going by my sense of nostalgia that Primeval used to be decent
20:20.32ImperiosWow I am honoured
20:20.37ImperiosSo what is this Eriaroon thing like?
20:21.04Wormy_I met the Primevil cast in Ashridge woods and had my photo taken with them after walking on set
20:21.11MethanogenI'll send a link to their empire page that'll probably be the shortest way
20:21.50MonetHachiman: FIrst season was decent
20:22.17Methanogenhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Eriaroon_Eugenic_Republic the part I was discussing is in "society and culture" idk how to link to subsections
20:22.32MonetI liked that little lizard thing (can't remember what they called it, lived with the girl)
20:22.47ImperiosDrodoEmpire: https://2ch.hk/po/src/21673940/14908106945712.jpg
20:23.06DrodoEmpireayy
20:29.40Xhohttp://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/1/19/Demon2017.png/revision/latest?cb=20170329202904 Guess the character and I'll make a creature of your choosing
20:30.52MethanogenA...humanoid demon thing? I don't know this universe very well yet really got to work on that
20:32.07HachimanIs it Santorakh
20:32.28Wormy_Draguros
20:32.55XhoFantasyverse
20:33.41TreebeardLooks like Caligaduro Provectus
20:34.07XhoI won't give any clues out
20:36.41XhoBut no none right so far
20:37.36MethanogenI'm just going to look this up and see if I can find anything that looks like that
20:39.24MonetFantasyverse or fictionverse
20:39.39Xho[21:32] <Xho> Fantasyverse
20:43.55HachimanHm
20:44.10Technobliteratorwow
20:44.15TechnobliteratorPersona 5 has really good reviews too
20:44.22TechnobliteratorThis year is shaping up to be an incredible year for games
20:49.24HachimanXho: Oh, is it Vanguard?
20:49.36Xhoding ding dingus
20:49.52XhoIt's Vanguard's full form within Pavor
20:49.59HachimanNice
20:50.21XhoFor the love of god don't make me make a giant dic
20:50.24Xhodick even
20:50.53MethanogenGood job guessing that, I had not a clue...not surprising but still
20:51.25Hachimanrite den     hao bout u maek sumfin wiv tits
20:51.35Xhoegad/10
20:52.56MethanogenGot to go, nice talking to you
20:53.09Wormy_bye
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21:51.50DrodoEmpireohh dear
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22:03.36Wormy__h
22:04.19DrodoEmpireh there
22:04.54Liquid_Inkhell
22:05.18Wormy_~seen Wormy__
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22:07.41DrodoEmpirehttp://i.imgur.com/MIHRrhe.jpg
22:08.55Wormy_rekt
22:09.24DrodoEmpirehttp://i.imgur.com/syfcHwD.gifv
22:10.24Wormy_wot dafuk ami watching
22:15.11DrodoEmpireChemistry <.<

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