| 00:04.42 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Second_Great_Cyrannus_War/Opening_Stages#Battle_of_T.C3.ADrnan.C3.B3g - New SGCW battle with humies and SpaceGhelaes |
| 00:07.42 | Wormy_ | spaicgellies |
| 00:08.24 | Wormy_ | I might get a chance to do some fic next week |
| 00:08.31 | Cyrannian | gud |
| 00:10.31 | Wormy_ | Feel free to use the Sentinel class in Terran battles |
| 00:12.38 | Cyrannian | Ah yes, I only added the two Terran ships in the battle image close to the end of the process, I mainly concentrated on the Apalos vessels |
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| 07:00.46 | Ghelae | Hello. |
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| 09:05.17 | Hachiman | Hu |
| 09:05.18 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 09:05.21 | Hachiman | New here? |
| 09:05.25 | Methanogem | Hi |
| 09:05.27 | Methanogem | Yup |
| 09:05.41 | Methanogem | Aaaaaand I managed to misspell my own name on my first time on this irc |
| 09:05.47 | Hachiman | kek |
| 09:05.52 | Hachiman | Nice; well, welcome to the IRC, unfortunately it's a little quiet at the moment |
| 09:06.12 | Methanogem | I see |
| 09:06.22 | Methanogem | Well that can't really be helped |
| 09:07.03 | Methanogem | I was really just checking out the irc because I'm new |
| 09:08.11 | Methanogem | So...since I'm new...any advice or anything? |
| 09:08.20 | Hachiman | Hm, well |
| 09:08.29 | Methanogem | Yes? |
| 09:08.40 | Hachiman | I'm assuming you know about our Fiction and Fantasy Universe projects? |
| 09:08.57 | Methanogem | I have a basic understanding of them yes |
| 09:09.02 | Hachiman | Which really is the main draw of the wiki |
| 09:09.15 | Methanogem | True |
| 09:09.23 | Methanogem | Unless you really like Spore trivia |
| 09:09.37 | Hachiman | I mean, that's true, but you'd be hard-pressed lol |
| 09:09.55 | Methanogem | Yeah you would |
| 09:10.19 | Methanogem | The fictional element is really the main draw of the wiki |
| 09:10.35 | Hachiman | Were you interested in setting up fiction, then? |
| 09:10.44 | Methanogem | Yes |
| 09:10.54 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 09:11.00 | Methanogem | Hello |
| 09:11.15 | Hachiman | Ah good, Ghelae's here; someone who's actually responsible |
| 09:11.24 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 09:11.36 | Ghelae | You can change your name here by typing /nick newname, e.g. for you you'd presumably want to type /nick Methanogen |
| 09:11.55 | Methanogen | Thanks for the help there |
| 09:13.03 | Methanogen | I'm unfamiliar with a lot of that kind of stuff |
| 09:14.40 | Hachiman | So, it seems that based on the comments on your userpage and your Yorchi fiction, you're another guy whose interested in alternative xenobiology |
| 09:14.48 | Hachiman | who's* |
| 09:14.50 | Methanogen | Yeah |
| 09:15.27 | Methanogen | I'm rather open to the possibility of highly exotic life. Keep in mind I'm definitely no expert on this stuff though. |
| 09:15.41 | Hachiman | That'll get you popular here given a little amount of time hur |
| 09:15.42 | Hachiman | We also have guys like that who know their stuff about things like that so you'll be alright |
| 09:16.04 | Methanogen | It will? |
| 09:16.06 | Methanogen | Well that's good |
| 09:16.25 | Hachiman | Yeah, your writing quality is pretty good for a newtimer |
| 09:16.25 | Methanogen | I'm sure they can point out all of my probably really obvious errors and such |
| 09:16.32 | Hachiman | One of the best in recent memory, actually |
| 09:16.32 | Methanogen | Thanks |
| 09:16.53 | Methanogen | Hopefully it's not too difficult to follow everything |
| 09:17.11 | Hachiman | I mean, I'm no expert in chemistry but I do consider myself at least partially qualified in the field of writing |
| 09:17.11 | Methanogen | I'm glad you think it's good |
| 09:17.19 | Ghelae | I've got a summary of that kind of thing in the Biochemistry tab of http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Ghel%C3%A6/Guide_To_Stuff - I might need to check over it properly, but it should all be fairly correct. |
| 09:17.24 | Hachiman | And I'd say you're pretty good, yeah, not too hard to follow at all |
| 09:17.34 | Methanogen | Thanks I'll take a look |
| 09:17.50 | Methanogen | Well that's good |
| 09:18.14 | Hachiman | By the way, just a tip in case you're uploading pics to the wiki |
| 09:18.28 | Methanogen | Yes? |
| 09:19.36 | Hachiman | I'd suggest using the camera in the Testing Mode or whatever it's called part of the Editor for your creatures; go for the black background and get a nice up-close angle of your creature before taking a pic with the in-game camera, because then you'll get a fairly decent image with a transparent background |
| 09:20.28 | Methanogen | That's a good idea I didn't think of that |
| 09:20.51 | Methanogen | It'll be a lot higher quality than the png |
| 09:20.53 | Hachiman | Rather than simply using the creature .png for the main image and whatnot; it makes the page look a little better than using a blurry .png where a main image should go |
| 09:20.57 | Hachiman | Yeah |
| 09:22.20 | Hachiman | Also if you need help with writing stuff like culture, politics, society, etc. for your fiction, we also have a handful of experts on those kinda things to help you out |
| 09:22.35 | Methanogen | I'll make sure to do that' |
| 09:22.44 | Methanogen | I have to go now, thanks for the help |
| 09:22.52 | Hachiman | No probs, hope to see you again |
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| 10:41.17 | NeonPanda | hi all |
| 10:41.24 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 10:45.00 | Ghelae | Hi |
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| 10:50.13 | Methanogen | hello |
| 10:50.49 | Hachiman | Hi again |
| 10:51.21 | Methanogen | hi again hachiman |
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| 10:52.14 | Methanogen | hi |
| 10:56.32 | Ghelae | Hi |
| 10:57.21 | Methanogen | hi again ghelae |
| 10:57.39 | Methanogen | currently working more on creature anatomy and such |
| 10:59.47 | Hachiman | Oh? |
| 11:00.48 | Methanogen | basically just adding onto it so every part of the creature is coveed |
| 11:02.21 | Methanogen | *covered |
| 11:10.51 | Methanogen | Does anybody know what kind of taxonomical classification a creature like a Yorchi would be given? |
| 11:12.35 | NeonPanda | I could go through it |
| 11:12.39 | NeonPanda | link the page please? |
| 11:13.17 | Methanogen | its not fully done yet keep in mind |
| 11:13.21 | Methanogen | sending link in a scond |
| 11:13.55 | Methanogen | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Yorchi |
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| 11:15.43 | Methanogen | hi |
| 11:16.25 | Hachiman | hI |
| 11:16.27 | Hachiman | Whoops caps |
| 11:16.37 | Hachiman | Methanogen: I'm no good at taxonomy I'm afraid |
| 11:16.46 | OluapPlayer | Hi |
| 11:16.58 | Methanogen | nor am i |
| 11:19.14 | Methanogen | its probably hard to classify something that isnt even finished yet |
| 11:19.28 | NeonPanda | working through it, random note for the moment: typically speaking exoskeletal carapaces are pretty poor at dealing with blunt trauma and pretty good at dealing with slashing or piercing trauma |
| 11:19.52 | Methanogen | thanks for the info |
| 11:20.10 | Methanogen | honestly that is actually better for me ill change it now |
| 11:21.22 | NeonPanda | currently at Superphylum level, just figuring out if htere's a better phylum than Arthropoda |
| 11:22.56 | Methanogen | got it |
| 11:23.05 | NeonPanda | TIL there's an entire phylum of animals organised based on the fact that they look like dicks |
| 11:23.15 | Methanogen | there is? |
| 11:23.36 | Methanogen | interesting taxonomy system |
| 11:23.41 | NeonPanda | Priapulida, or penis-worms |
| 11:23.48 | Methanogen | ah |
| 11:23.52 | Methanogen | many of those around? |
| 11:24.03 | NeonPanda | it's a little more complicated than that, but the name literally comes from the greek god of fertility, cos they all look like dicks |
| 11:24.20 | Methanogen | i guess that makes sense |
| 11:24.35 | Hachiman | Fucking kek |
| 11:24.38 | Hachiman | That's hilarious |
| 11:25.08 | OluapPlayer | benin |
| 11:26.05 | Methanogen | there is a lot of taxons in this taxonomy |
| 11:27.57 | NeonPanda | mfw arguing Chelicerata over Hexapoda, then facepalm because of course it's fucking hexapoda |
| 11:28.40 | Ghelae | SporeWiki taxonomy is a mess, but the two main options for arthropod-like creatures are Arthropoda and Hemiinsecta (in Chordata). |
| 11:29.05 | Methanogen | i see |
| 11:29.42 | NeonPanda | Ghelae: the two I just mentioned are subphyla of Arthropoda |
| 11:30.18 | Ghelae | Yes, albeit the real-world Arthropoda and not the SporeWiki one. |
| 11:31.27 | NeonPanda | granted, but the sporewiki one is based on the real world one, and neither will ever quite cover everything without a lot of judgement calls involved |
| 11:31.27 | Methanogen | taxonomy sounds complicated |
| 11:31.43 | Ghelae | For some reason the taxonomy system has stopped listing subtaxa in as bullets and now justs gives them all in a big lump... |
| 11:31.51 | Methanogen | yeah |
| 11:32.19 | NeonPanda | technically speaking taxonomy is very straightforward, it's just that sporewiki having to deal with aliens makes it complicated |
| 11:32.20 | Ghelae | Hemiinsecta is one of the taxa I never got around to reorganising. |
| 11:32.28 | Methanogen | true |
| 11:32.40 | Methanogen | youd need a new category for half the stuff people make |
| 11:32.52 | Ghelae | It has subtaxa with descriptions ranging from "creatures of the hemiinsectans that have arms" to "six-limbed hemiinsectans with a carbon fiber endoskeleton and thick, seamless skin composed of layered chitin". |
| 11:33.09 | Methanogen | that is very specific |
| 11:34.03 | NeonPanda | once you get down to the bottom levels things get really specific |
| 11:34.24 | NeonPanda | one of my biology sub-assignments was drawing a taxonomy chart for finches |
| 11:34.44 | Methanogen | that sounds difficult to me |
| 11:34.45 | Ghelae | Unfortunately, it's the "creatures of the hemiinsectans that have arms" that is the only taxon there that suits the Yorchi. |
| 11:35.12 | Ghelae | ...It's then divided into two families; ones for those that can run, and one for those that cannot. |
| 11:35.29 | Methanogen | is that basically the "doesnt fit anywhere else" category |
| 11:35.58 | Ghelae | As described, yes, although it might be possible to come up with a better description that still fits all of them. |
| 11:36.17 | Methanogen | well Yorchi should be able to run |
| 11:36.19 | NeonPanda | Methanogen: let me put it this way: there's approximately one species of finch for every island in the pacific |
| 11:36.39 | Ghelae | The real problem is that the taxa have all been made by many different people, each with completely different ideas of what is an appropriate description for each level. |
| 11:36.40 | Methanogen | thats a lot |
| 11:37.16 | Ghelae | The conclusion of my search is that the Yorchi best fit either in one of the http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Taxon:Telumcorpus families, or in http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Taxon:Gnatharthridae. |
| 11:37.27 | NeonPanda | Ghelae: can you link me the hemiinsecta taxa? having trouble finding the damn things |
| 11:37.42 | Ghelae | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Taxon:Hemiinsecta |
| 11:39.19 | NeonPanda | I want to punch exactly all of those |
| 11:39.45 | Methanogen | if its in Telumcorpus it would be here probably: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Taxon:Cogoingrediae |
| 11:39.51 | NeonPanda | since all of them are utterly dumb, I agree with Ghelae's assessment that Telumcorpus is the best way to go |
| 11:40.16 | Ghelae | I've cleaned up a lot of the taxonomy project over my years here, but taxa like Hemiinsecta just made me think "no". |
| 11:40.33 | NeonPanda | what level is telumcorpus meant to be at exactly? |
| 11:40.39 | Methanogen | Thats the problem with things that merge to other things together vaguely i guess |
| 11:40.51 | Ghelae | Telumcorpus is an order. |
| 11:41.19 | Methanogen | Yorchi can technically run but its no very fast for them due to having shells and armour and whatnot and it makes them trip a lot due to being a little front heavy |
| 11:41.23 | NeonPanda | allow me to add an additional ew |
| 11:41.34 | Methanogen | what for? |
| 11:41.42 | NeonPanda | for that being the order level -.- |
| 11:41.56 | Methanogen | what should it be? |
| 11:42.08 | NeonPanda | well, non-existent would be a good start |
| 11:42.15 | Methanogen | fair enough |
| 11:42.47 | Methanogen | would you rather just have a new catgeory for stuff that would go into that? |
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| 11:43.50 | NeonPanda | ok, so just one question quickly: do the Yorchi have a spinal column? |
| 11:43.56 | Wormy_ | Hi |
| 11:43.58 | Methanogen | hi |
| 11:44.06 | Ghelae | Ideally, some of the Chordata taxa should just be purged and redone from scratch. |
| 11:44.07 | NeonPanda | not necessarily the bones, just the actual nerve column itself |
| 11:44.09 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 11:44.15 | Methanogen | yes they do |
| 11:44.21 | NeonPanda | right, that makes things easier |
| 11:44.40 | Methanogen | so its a chordate then basically |
| 11:44.51 | NeonPanda | so hemiinsecta gets a pass as being a class |
| 11:45.08 | Methanogen | yes |
| 11:45.27 | NeonPanda | which makes "has limbs" not the *worst* definition for an order I've ever seen |
| 11:45.51 | Wormy_ | Who's Methanogen, a new user? |
| 11:45.54 | Methanogen | what is the worst? |
| 11:45.55 | Methanogen | yes |
| 11:46.56 | Wormy_ | I see. The welcome message you got from me was automatic. |
| 11:47.07 | Methanogen | ah that makes sense |
| 11:48.13 | Methanogen | currently im learning the complexities of sporewiki taxonomy |
| 11:48.26 | Wormy_ | So you're into alternative biochemistries. We like them too here! |
| 11:48.33 | Ghelae | Hemiinsecta is a bad place to start. :P |
| 11:48.52 | NeonPanda | so if we make telumcorpus (which btw is somewhat annoying as a name, so I want to punch that as well) *has limbs* rather than *has arms* I can put up with it |
| 11:49.15 | Methanogen | yes i am. even if i have little proper knowledge of it |
| 11:49.22 | Ghelae | NeonPanda: You can rename it easily. Move the page, then edit the two families' pages. |
| 11:49.33 | NeonPanda | "can run" and "can't run" however is fucking retarded, pardon the french |
| 11:49.41 | Ghelae | Mind you, I think all Hemiinsectans on the wiki have limbs. |
| 11:49.53 | NeonPanda | so I'm going to pretend those don't exist |
| 11:50.01 | Methanogen | if they didnt wouldnt they be in vermes or mollusca or something |
| 11:50.12 | Ghelae | ...Yes. |
| 11:50.13 | NeonPanda | Ghelae: realistically that would be the division point |
| 11:50.32 | Methanogen | yeah new classification for the whole "cant run" thing is needed probably |
| 11:50.33 | NeonPanda | primarily because there isn't an earlier division point |
| 11:51.16 | Methanogen | true |
| 11:51.31 | NeonPanda | and therefore due to there being nothing comparable for classification, the steps in between order and genus are functionally irrelevant |
| 11:51.40 | Ghelae | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Taxon:Hemiinsecta?limit=150 - anybody who wants to look through these and put them into a consistent classification is more than welcome. |
| 11:51.48 | NeonPanda | might do it later |
| 11:52.16 | Ghelae | There are some one-family, one-or-two-species orders in Hemiinsecta; those can most likely go too. |
| 11:52.38 | NeonPanda | so what we have now is Animalia > Chordata > Hemiinsecta > needsanewname > whogivesafuck > Genus > species |
| 11:52.50 | Methanogen | pretty much |
| 11:52.59 | Methanogen | oh i still need a genus and species dont i |
| 11:54.43 | NeonPanda | and since the Genus just needs to be monophylic, compact and distinct, you can just make it up really |
| 11:54.47 | Methanogen | "Theiiko pyritiou" for species and "Theiiko" for genus i guess |
| 11:55.42 | NeonPanda | technically speaking it should be latinate, but how much anyone here actually cares about that is up for debate |
| 11:56.15 | Methanogen | but in google tanslate that just gave me Pii SULFURATUM or something |
| 11:56.55 | Methanogen | i dont think people ever use those names anyway |
| 11:57.03 | Ghelae | When there are orders with names like "Telumcorpus" and "Fibriousequadae", nice genus names are the least of our problems. |
| 11:57.17 | Methanogen | yeahh..... |
| 11:57.30 | Methanogen | at least i have a vague reason for mine i suppose |
| 11:57.39 | NeonPanda | hell, I'm guilty of not using a latinate genus so I can't exactly talk |
| 11:58.18 | Methanogen | to latinate genus: add "ium" or "um" or "us" to the end |
| 11:58.38 | NeonPanda | Ghelae: Telumcorpus could be legit, were it not for the fact that spear body has absolutely fuck all to do with having arms :P |
| 11:59.06 | Methanogen | maybe if those arms were designed to be used as spears |
| 11:59.33 | NeonPanda | then it would be telumembrum :P |
| 11:59.54 | Methanogen | telum that they need a new name |
| 12:00.29 | NeonPanda | you get one internet for that |
| 12:00.36 | NeonPanda | and a shotgun blast for making a pun :P |
| 12:00.42 | Methanogen | yaaaaay free internet |
| 12:01.03 | Methanogen | and you get a free sulfuric acid bath in celebration of...something |
| 12:01.15 | Ghelae | It looks like taxon was created for http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Advisage, which certainly doesn't justify the name but might explain the reasoning (if those spikes can be thought of as "spears"). |
| 12:02.19 | Methanogen | i wonder how many taxons are named like that without people noticing for ages |
| 12:02.30 | Ghelae | Most of them. |
| 12:03.08 | Ghelae | Even when I cleaned up the non-Chordata taxa I probably left in some strange names. |
| 12:03.27 | Methanogen | *invents new taxon specifically for six-limbed intelligent creatures armoured with shells, who excrete waste via crystals and drink sulfuric acid* |
| 12:03.51 | Methanogen | theres probably a lot of strange names |
| 12:04.43 | NeonPanda | the thing with taxonomy is that you only have to be as specific as the divergence presented |
| 12:04.51 | Methanogen | true |
| 12:05.05 | NeonPanda | what people did was make new taxa specifically for their thing, rather than build taxa that create useful divergence points |
| 12:05.20 | Methanogen | hmmmmm that makes sense |
| 12:06.10 | NeonPanda | which is why I don't have so much of a problem with "has limbs" as an order, but I do have a problem with "has a carbon-fibre exoskeleton" as an order |
| 12:06.40 | Methanogen | honestly if not for the carbon fibre bit a yorchi would fit that one |
| 12:07.16 | Ghelae | Yes, and that part of the description can easily be removed. |
| 12:07.48 | NeonPanda | I may regret it but I'll go through and have a look, see what the smallest point of divergence I can cut it down to is |
| 12:07.51 | Methanogen | wait a second |
| 12:07.55 | Ghelae | But then in that order there's one family, "Fibequadents that have chitinous feather-like plumage and tiny chitinous hairs sprouting from the skin", so you'd still need to make a new family to fit it in. |
| 12:08.01 | Methanogen | gtg |
| 12:08.21 | NeonPanda | oh god there's 152 of them, fuck that with a chainsaw dildo |
| 12:09.36 | Ghelae | IIRC the only time I've actually gone through all of the creatures in a taxon to come up with a new classification was for Monera, and there were only a small number of creatures to deal with then. |
| 12:09.38 | NeonPanda | Hachiman: for your viewing pleasure, penis-worms https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priapulida |
| 12:09.59 | Ghelae | There were practically as many taxa as there were cells. |
| 12:11.26 | Ghelae | We could cut down the number of Hemiinsectans quite easily: short pages (less than or approximately equal to infobox + one paragraph), made by users who have been inactive for more than 6 months, can be deleted. |
| 12:11.46 | NeonPanda | not a horrible suggestion |
| 12:12.19 | Ghelae | Also, Maxis creations are to be removed from the taxonomy project; anybody could do that while I'm deleting. |
| 12:22.24 | Wormy_ | Is this really a Maxis creature? http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Tri-ocular_Scorpoid |
| 12:23.52 | Ghelae | I think it might have been the base used for Darkspore creatures, when there was a competition to make them. |
| 12:23.53 | OluapPlayer | Definitely not, there are no Maxis creatures with exoskeleton limbs |
| 12:24.08 | OluapPlayer | Oh, culd be that |
| 12:35.37 | Wormy_ | Think I've cleared the Maxis creation, cleaned up some user pages to make the job of going through quicker |
| 12:36.09 | Wormy_ | However, if you get fed up of deleting, I might be able to do some later |
| 12:45.04 | Ghelae | I'm nearly at the end now. |
| 12:47.13 | Wormy_ | I must get going. |
| 12:51.42 | Ghelae | And it's done. The list has been reduced to http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Taxon:Hemiinsecta?limit=102 |
| 13:01.27 | Ghelae | I forgot about checking for unused taxa. Make that http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Taxon:Hemiinsecta?limit=99 |
| 13:19.52 | Technobliterator | OluapPlayer, am I right in thinking you have played Nier Automata? |
| 13:20.17 | OluapPlayer | Only for an hour |
| 13:20.25 | Technobliterator | Is it any good? |
| 13:20.42 | OluapPlayer | I've not played enough to get a good feel of it |
| 13:20.46 | Technobliterator | I basically realised that all the games I'm getting (now that I'm not getting ME A) until I get a Switch are just remasters of old games |
| 13:20.57 | Technobliterator | so I'm wondering what new games I might enjoy |
| 13:21.20 | OluapPlayer | But as far as I can tell it's similar to Metal Gear Rising but with RPG elements |
| 13:21.41 | NeonPanda | it's a spectacle fighter to be sure |
| 13:23.13 | OluapPlayer | Now I got reminded of when you played MGR and went full sperg because you couldn't parry Blade Wolf |
| 13:23.52 | OluapPlayer | Boy I was really mad at you back then hur |
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| 13:35.53 | Jepardi | Hi |
| 13:36.21 | Ghelae | Hello. |
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| 14:54.12 | Hachiman | test |
| 14:57.20 | OluapPlayer | fuk off |
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| 15:22.03 | Wormy_ | There's been a terrorist incident outside Westminister |
| 15:22.49 | Wormy_ | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/22/man-shot-police-outside-parliament-officer-reportedly-shoots/ |
| 16:23.45 | Wormy_ | Sure is a lot of Hate merchants on Twitter |
| 16:32.57 | Tek0516 | Wormy_: imgur.com/a/70r79 |
| 16:33.39 | Tek0516 | Also holy s***. O.o |
| 16:35.10 | Wormy_ | Did the cope work? |
| 16:35.15 | Wormy_ | *code |
| 16:35.56 | Technobliterator | Apparently, the terrorist was going for the prime minister |
| 17:12.33 | Tek0516 | Wormy_: Not mine, but apparently it's on some New Zealand government website. |
| 17:21.08 | Hachiman | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Lakuus_the_Betarier |
| 17:21.23 | Hachiman | "he was first tortured, they didnt want him to die painlessly, he died 4 HOURS(!) after the execution began. He has gone down in history as the most evil dreth, for most dreth a honorable, and would never turn to murder. (dont get me wrong they still kill, but only the Evil men/women)" |
| 17:21.57 | Hachiman | >for most dreth a honourable >he was first tortured, they didn't want him to die painlessly, he died 4 HOURS(!) after the execution began |
| 17:22.05 | Hachiman | Very honourable indeed |
| 17:35.14 | OluapPlayer | Technobliterator: your turn to write the Borealis war again |
| 17:35.42 | Technobliterator | Oh, just generic sections of PMCs screwing stuff up |
| 17:35.53 | Technobliterator | I will have to write it next week, I'm super busy with assignments right now :| |
| 17:56.53 | Wormy_ | Schoolboy corrects NASA data http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39351833 |
| 17:57.12 | Wormy_ | that kid must have great analytical skills |
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| 18:01.34 | Luxor | *wild Luxor appears* |
| 18:02.29 | Wormy_ | sends 1000 wildlife photgraphers |
| 18:04.14 | Wormy_ | There have been incidents where bird twitchers flocked to rare birds, spooked and chased them until they died or got trampled on |
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| 18:39.04 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 18:46.29 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/69h85 |
| 18:47.14 | Monet | hi |
| 18:49.39 | OluapPlayer | Hi |
| 18:51.17 | Wormy_ | I saw this blunder live http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/bbc-news-presenter-makes-insensitive-10077164 |
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| 18:52.03 | Treebeard | Hello |
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| 19:41.02 | Imperios | Hi |
| 19:41.31 | OluapPlayer | Hi |
| 19:41.32 | Imperios | DrodoEmpire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUUMqYSHG2k I already feel a knife looming over my back |
| 19:42.44 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 19:42.52 | Monet | Dat hair. |
| 19:43.34 | Imperios | There are never enough Greeks |
| 19:44.06 | Monet | I think they quite nailed Alexander's character |
| 19:44.18 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 19:44.25 | Imperios | I am also fucking enraged that in two decades we are yet to have a non-Achaemenid Persian leader |
| 19:44.49 | Imperios | Persia was not destroyed by Alexander |
| 19:45.24 | OluapPlayer | calm your tits son |
| 19:45.25 | Imperios | Worse yet Civpedia in IV actually made outrageous claims like Persia was destroyed and assimilated by the Arabs in the Middle Ages |
| 19:45.30 | Monet | "One moment I'm just checking my reflection in my kopis. RIght. WARRR" |
| 19:45.44 | Imperios | Persians were notorious exactly BECAUSE they resisted assimilation |
| 19:45.50 | DrodoEmpire | Imperios: Not -quite- how it happened, no |
| 19:46.08 | Imperios | It is like saying that China was destroyed by the Manchus |
| 19:46.12 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 19:47.07 | Imperios | Sure, they were converted into Islam, but even then Persians managed to wrestle control of Islamic theology and infuse it with their own idea, to the point you could say modern Iranian Shi'a Islam is like Zoroastrianism 2.0. |
| 19:47.22 | Imperios | God-King Khomeini |
| 19:48.01 | Monet | IIRC Persian as a language persisted in Iran. |
| 19:51.44 | Monet | In fairness to Civ, they tend to pick the nation's more iconic leaders. I'm sure there are non-Achaemenid but Darius III< Cyrus the Great and Xerxes I seem to be the most famous. |
| 19:53.00 | Monet | Actually not sure which Darius is most famous. Xerxes' great achievement appears to be "failed to invade Greece twice, massive head" |
| 19:53.34 | OluapPlayer | >massive head |
| 19:53.38 | OluapPlayer | not having context is great |
| 19:54.12 | Monet | The guy was a serious egomaniac |
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| 19:55.17 | Methanogen | Hello |
| 19:55.42 | Monet | As well as all that "I am a god" stuff that we see in 300, I vaguely recall a story where a bridge he tried to walk over collapsed, and his response was to lash the river for "you dare strike at your king" |
| 19:55.59 | Imperios | Monet: Persisted, as in it is still spoken today |
| 19:56.25 | Imperios | Compare that to... basically any other Middle Eastern country save for Israel and Turkey (which came later) |
| 19:56.27 | OluapPlayer | That implies severe schizophrenia |
| 19:57.12 | OluapPlayer | >fall into the river >get mad at the water |
| 19:57.17 | OluapPlayer | human race is full of wonders |
| 19:57.33 | Methanogen | Indeed it is |
| 19:57.49 | Monet | He was very likely unstable. It was mostly the fact he decided to have the river punished that impressed me. |
| 19:58.25 | Methanogen | How do you punish a river |
| 19:58.54 | Monet | Methanogen: You get a squad of executioners to lash it with whips. |
| 19:58.59 | Monet | That's how he did it. |
| 19:59.18 | Methanogen | This person is clearly insane |
| 20:00.35 | Monet | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerxes_I#/media/File:Xerxes_lash_sea.JPG oh look there's even an early 20th century illustration depicting the event. |
| 20:01.44 | Methanogen | We all know how much rivers are afraid of being whipped |
| 20:02.29 | Monet | Then again this tale is an account by Herodetus, same guy who inflated the number of Persians at the battle of Thermopalye to make the Greeks look awesome and clearly didn't like Xerxes. |
| 20:02.40 | Wormy_ | Maybe it helps intimidate potential traitors. |
| 20:03.00 | Wormy_ | "This is how far I am willing to go" |
| 20:03.27 | Imperios | Hm, maybe it is just a legend? |
| 20:03.33 | Imperios | I mean how similar it is to the Caligula legend |
| 20:03.34 | OluapPlayer | "I was just pretending to be retarded" |
| 20:03.35 | Imperios | About the sea |
| 20:03.41 | Methanogen | Ah ancient history...where nobody can make sure people were telling the truth...kind of like...today actually |
| 20:04.06 | Monet | Herodetus was born centuries before Caligula though. |
| 20:05.05 | Monet | Caligula, Alexander and Xerxes are life lessons in what thinking yourself a god-king can do. |
| 20:05.08 | Imperios | Yeah, so what it could be is a legend that passed from author to author but attributed to different people |
| 20:05.26 | Imperios | Greek historicians frequently misinterpreted things |
| 20:05.27 | OluapPlayer | THIS RIVER DARES CHALLENGE MY CLAIM FOR THE BRIDGE |
| 20:05.44 | Imperios | OluapPlayer: IF THIS FALSE RIVER DOES NOT GIVE UP THE BRIDGE IN LIFE |
| 20:06.20 | OluapPlayer | persians are now giant vikings |
| 20:06.47 | Monet | Imperios: Heh found your comment |
| 20:07.15 | Wormy_ | Could have been early propadanda |
| 20:07.33 | Monet | OluapPlayer: Well 300 made Xerxes look like this http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/5/53/300Xerxes.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100416151220 |
| 20:08.28 | OluapPlayer | I've watched that film |
| 20:08.44 | OluapPlayer | It was dumb, the persians had giant ogre-looking mutants in their army for some reason |
| 20:10.02 | Monet | They made Ephialtes a weird mutant that makes Gollum look sexy. |
| 20:10.20 | OluapPlayer | Imperios: I wanted to ask, what exactly is Iovera's full name? Is Iovera even her real name or is it some sort of widely accepted nickname? |
| 20:10.32 | Imperios | Eolania Iovera Menoraim |
| 20:10.49 | Wormy_ | He seemed to be mutant and suffering leprosy |
| 20:10.53 | OluapPlayer | So it's her middle name |
| 20:11.10 | Monet | Even though most likely Ephialtes was just a local goat shepherd who sold local info to the Persians. |
| 20:11.15 | Imperios | Or her ritual name, like with Popes and Lamas |
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| 20:11.34 | OluapPlayer | Right |
| 20:11.38 | drom | Hello |
| 20:11.44 | Methanogen | Hi |
| 20:11.54 | Wormy_ | drom: http://imgur.com/gallery/6b6NOHL |
| 20:11.55 | OluapPlayer | I was under the impression it was like Apollo, who's called that by everyone even though that's not actually his name |
| 20:12.02 | drom | Hey Imperios. I am just close to score 86. |
| 20:12.19 | Imperios | Actually yes just checked it is her royal name |
| 20:12.20 | Imperios | > 15 years later, after the Annihilation, the solution was finally found: Eolania declared herself Clericarch Iovera I and vowed to reconstitute the Church |
| 20:12.30 | Imperios | >Finally, as dawn broke over the icy world, Exarch Eolania Menoraim was crowned Clericarch Iovera, and the Divinarium was founded in earnest. |
| 20:12.33 | drom | Wormy_: Old classic |
| 20:12.46 | OluapPlayer | Right |
| 20:13.01 | OluapPlayer | So that's why no one calls her Eolania |
| 20:13.04 | Imperios | Actually now I think Telfar should have a non-royal name too, it's weird how only Io has it |
| 20:13.11 | Imperios | Mayble Jaharan too |
| 20:13.27 | Wormy_ | Ephialtes has nothing on The Seer http://popvinyls.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/V_8_1029_JH_0367.jpg |
| 20:13.32 | drom | Wormy_ Monet: I don't think I had shared this with you. http://i.imgur.com/ztJQ1Am.jpg |
| 20:14.00 | Wormy_ | It's soul is bigger than mine. |
| 20:14.04 | OluapPlayer | Jaharan "Aliens belong in the TRASH" ae-Zamarros |
| 20:14.27 | drom | pokes Wormy_ with a tree stick |
| 20:14.38 | drom | I believe you meant "its", not "it's" |
| 20:14.47 | Monet | Still |
| 20:15.38 | Wormy_ | https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Qf6s-3XwYqo/maxresdefault.jpg |
| 20:15.52 | Monet | Although I give points for Civ giving us Emperor "I forged Rome's territorial apex" Trajan |
| 20:16.16 | drom | Monet: I believe I left too soon when I asked you for feedback two days ago. Do you recall anything last you had in your mind? |
| 20:16.20 | Monet | I'm ever-so-0slightly starting ot think Julius Caesar is just a little overrated. |
| 20:16.47 | Imperios | Trajan makes sense |
| 20:16.53 | Imperios | But having a republic would be cool too |
| 20:16.56 | Imperios | Gracchus or Sulla |
| 20:17.14 | Monet | Ooh let's have Gracchus |
| 20:17.55 | drom | Tek0516 Wormy_: https://i.redd.it/szts2riubsmy.png |
| 20:18.17 | Wormy_ | rofl |
| 20:18.37 | Methanogen | Gtg |
| 20:19.28 | drom | Bye |
| 20:19.55 | Monet | Thing is with ol' Julie is he was a remarkable commander in the wars in Gaul, pulled a middle finger on the Senate, chased Pompey Magnus halfway across the empire and only ruled as dictator for only about 5 years |
| 20:21.17 | Monet | Sure he had a fling with Cleopatra but honestly who hasn't? |
| 20:23.28 | Monet | It was Augustus that transformed Rome from a republic into an empire. |
| 20:26.52 | Tek0516 | Monet: The difference I guess is that they're weren't the title character of a Shakespearean play? |
| 20:28.22 | Monet | Kind of reminds me of Jesus. |
| 20:28.50 | Monet | Leads a rich full life -> All that's really remembered is how he died. |
| 20:30.04 | Monet | I mean as a general he was pretty badass, having like I said played cat and mouse Pompey the Great about the Republic. |
| 20:30.08 | Monet | mouse with* |
| 20:43.59 | Imperios | drom: Cata now? |
| 20:44.14 | Imperios | Monet: Augustus was in V |
| 20:44.22 | drom | Imperios: I am on the Alliance side of Pandaria, actually |
| 20:49.55 | Monet | Imperios: He was, yeah |
| 20:54.41 | Imperios | Monet: blob:http://imgur.com/9c704d14-3d62-4ae4-b840-0d3977bf2109 |
| 20:54.48 | Imperios | http://i.imgur.com/mBVNbJN.png |
| 20:55.37 | drom | Render me surprised |
| 21:03.36 | drom | Technobliterator: http://i.imgur.com/oBSSalE.png |
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| 21:06.46 | Technobliterator | hah |
| 21:10.45 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 21:11.19 | drom | hi |
| 21:15.10 | Treebeard | Hello |
| 21:16.44 | drom | Hachiman Imperios: http://i.imgur.com/fx4lANv.jpg |
| 21:20.20 | Imperios | Spoken like a true leftiecuckfeminazicommie |
| 21:21.14 | drom | http://i.imgur.com/F1KHPUR.jpg |
| 21:24.14 | drom | Wormy_: http://i.imgur.com/xntYCM4.jpg |
| 21:25.53 | Wormy_ | Wimble Wombles |
| 21:25.57 | drom | http://i.imgur.com/ThUBs2W.jpg |
| 21:28.25 | drom | Hachiman DrodoEmpire: http://imgur.com/gallery/4CexQ |
| 21:32.10 | Wormy_ | corny |
| 21:32.49 | drom | Man, what a depressingly alone day this day has been. |
| 21:33.08 | drom | I can explain more next time we meet. For I must go to sleep. |
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| 22:12.26 | ZF101 | Hello all. |
| 22:17.10 | Ghelae | Hello. |
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| 23:08.30 | Wormy_ | just a prank bro https://www.facebook.com/CountryDaily/videos/1317616774950494/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED |
