| 00:01.08 | Tek0516 | Alright, downloading Spore now. Here goes nothing. :P |
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| 00:38.31 | Tek0516 | Oh hey, it worked. Didn't even need to move any files. |
| 00:43.54 | Wormy_ | https://www.technobuffalo.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/mass-effect-glitch-470x310@2x.jpg |
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| 00:47.50 | OluapPlayer | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:War_of_the_Ancient_Three#Fall_of_the_Hive_Lord oh my |
| 00:55.00 | DrodoEmpire | ym ho |
| 00:55.21 | OluapPlayer | Monet: you helped c |
| 00:55.43 | Monet | I'll look in a minute. |
| 00:59.06 | Tek0516 | Oh, since Spore is working I guess I can now do Fiction image stuff again. XD |
| 00:59.18 | Monet | "Operation Lawnmower" - I love it! |
| 01:00.22 | Wormy_ | datslavfeel http://imgur.com/gallery/iyFsb |
| 01:00.38 | OluapPlayer | leave it to the Loron to make up a good name |
| 01:05.20 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:05.45 | Monet | Probably one of my most most controversial mental pictures. |
| 01:05.51 | OluapPlayer | Heh |
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| 01:07.11 | Atsyboi | aeiou |
| 01:07.15 | Monet | Hello |
| 01:07.40 | Monet | ALthough it might be controversial as effectively it's the PCA pulling a more extreme version of Operation Ranch Hand. |
| 01:08.24 | OluapPlayer | PCA - we don't see anyone complaining |
| 01:09.03 | Atsyboi | ace spengine |
| 01:09.39 | Monet | Draconis - Well no because the planet had zero sapient life to complain. |
| 01:10.29 | OluapPlayer | PCA - exactly keep firing |
| 01:16.46 | Monet | https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-9861ac725be9f3174c7bfd6b1f4c6b38-c as daunting as this is, Jupiter's clouds almost look like silk. |
| 01:17.14 | OluapPlayer | I find Jupiter unnerving |
| 01:17.20 | OluapPlayer | Especially up close like that |
| 01:18.09 | DrodoEmpire | I'm the same way Oluap |
| 01:18.40 | Atsyboi | *dies of radiation* |
| 01:18.46 | Atsyboi | tastes like metal |
| 01:18.48 | DrodoEmpire | I recall when I was little I'd play around with planetarium sims and I had a fear of getting -too- close to worlds because they were justt overwhelming to look at |
| 01:18.55 | DrodoEmpire | -Especially- Jupiter |
| 01:19.32 | OluapPlayer | It's fucking enormous and there's just something uncanny about the clouds |
| 01:19.35 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 01:19.41 | OluapPlayer | I don't know, kinda feels like you'd get sucked in just staring at it |
| 01:19.58 | Monet | ight be how it's a vortex |
| 01:20.27 | DrodoEmpire | That one photo with Jupiter's moons with Jupiter itself in the background still raises the hairs on the back of my neck >.< |
| 01:20.36 | DrodoEmpire | Its like they're about to fall into it |
| 01:21.03 | Atsyboi | and do Mou'cyran all over again*? |
| 01:21.15 | DrodoEmpire | ? |
| 01:21.25 | Atsyboi | ahem |
| 01:21.27 | OluapPlayer | You could fit the Earth twice or thrice just inside the Great Red Spot |
| 01:21.35 | Atsyboi | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:IRC/Quotes#Clickbait:_Cyrannus_Edition |
| 01:21.35 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 01:21.38 | Atsyboi | from there |
| 01:21.40 | OluapPlayer | TOO big |
| 01:22.03 | DrodoEmpire | Oh |
| 01:22.05 | DrodoEmpire | right |
| 01:22.50 | OluapPlayer | I've seen a pic once which had the planets in the night sky, if they were as close to Earth as the Moon is |
| 01:22.56 | OluapPlayer | Jupiter covered the whole image |
| 01:23.02 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 01:23.06 | Atsyboi | did a moon jumpscare you when it was on saturn? |
| 01:23.08 | Atsyboi | oh, gtg |
| 01:23.12 | Atsyboi | bye |
| 01:23.19 | Monet | That picture was alongside a collection that included solar imaging photographs. |
| 01:23.42 | Monet | If Jupiter's great spot scares you best not think about sunspots. |
| 01:24.23 | OluapPlayer | Sunspots aren't as freaky looking as Jupiter's weird clouds |
| 01:24.47 | OluapPlayer | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/02/SolarSystem_OrdersOfMagnitude_Sun-Jupiter-Earth-Moon.jpg fug |
| 01:24.49 | Monet | I find them a bit unnerving |
| 01:25.03 | Monet | Black voids that can be the size of bloody -Jupiter- |
| 01:25.35 | OluapPlayer | Space is unnerving in general, especially when it makes you realize how small we are |
| 01:25.47 | OluapPlayer | Fascinating, but unnerving |
| 01:26.14 | Monet | Lately I've stopped looking up at the stars at night when walking home. |
| 01:27.04 | DrodoEmpire | It can be very unnerving |
| 01:27.11 | Monet | As nice as it is to see Orion in the sky, looking up into space lately makes me dizzy. |
| 01:27.14 | OluapPlayer | I enjoy stargazing, but bad eyesight + clouds + polluted air means it's difficult to see a thing |
| 01:42.29 | Monet | So Borealis SitRep is the Ganthorea threat is over but while everyone was focused on that issue Vileraz made puppets of the entire Polar council without anyone being the wiser. |
| 01:43.04 | Monet | This is going to be interesting. |
| 01:44.52 | OluapPlayer | They're not done fighting the Ganthorea yet. They want to be sure the hive-mind can't somehow recover, so they intend to hunt down the stragglers |
| 01:44.56 | OluapPlayer | Better safe than sorry |
| 01:45.24 | Monet | Right. |
| 01:45.37 | Monet | Leadership ahs been nullified, now it's the mop-up phase. |
| 01:45.44 | OluapPlayer | Yep |
| 01:45.54 | OluapPlayer | But things won't go as smoothly as they hope |
| 01:47.33 | OluapPlayer | I can tell you what happens next if you want, the plot isn't really secret |
| 01:48.19 | Monet | I don't mind, if you want to PM or say here it's your choice. |
| 01:48.37 | OluapPlayer | Now is the part where the Kondrakar come in |
| 01:50.20 | OluapPlayer | The PCA & friends just fatigued themselves defeating one of their ancient enemies. Now is the part where they take advantage of it |
| 01:55.19 | Monet | Added the Draconid response to the declaration. |
| 01:56.53 | OluapPlayer | yey |
| 01:57.43 | OluapPlayer | Feel free to add yourself to any of the already-written sections if you want |
| 01:59.22 | Monet | I'd been going though my head that the Imperium might see the Ganthorean threat from a pest control standpoint |
| 02:02.23 | OluapPlayer | I can s ee why |
| 02:02.25 | OluapPlayer | see* |
| 02:03.49 | Monet | It's the perfect monster threat, but it's a culture where fighting what they see as animals doesn't have the same kind of glory to it. |
| 02:05.33 | OluapPlayer | It might not be glorious but the intention is eliminating the threat before it makes the first move |
| 02:10.04 | Monet | Might not be glorious but it is well-intentioned. |
| 02:10.58 | Monet | Though not saying all Draconid soldiers are glory-hounds. |
| 02:12.49 | DrodoEmpire | So apparently there have been proposals in the past for caribbean island nations to join Canda |
| 02:12.51 | DrodoEmpire | *Canada |
| 02:13.08 | DrodoEmpire | And I believe there's still a possibility some British colonies there may become new provinces |
| 02:13.32 | Monet | Hawaii - so Canadians have somewhere warm to go. |
| 02:13.38 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 02:13.49 | DrodoEmpire | I think tourism is one reason, no joke |
| 02:14.06 | DrodoEmpire | Hopefully, we Canadians get the island through diplomacy |
| 02:14.11 | DrodoEmpire | But if we have to take them by force |
| 02:14.14 | DrodoEmpire | You'll be sorry |
| 02:14.16 | DrodoEmpire | <.< |
| 02:14.37 | Monet | We'll be sorry opposing Sorryland. |
| 02:15.47 | OluapPlayer | watch out, they ride mooses with big antlers |
| 02:16.46 | Monet | Don't fuck with those dopey psychos. |
| 02:17.06 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 02:17.49 | DrodoEmpire | Our flannel-shirted legions will conquer the globe |
| 02:37.09 | DrodoEmpire | https://twitter.com/Zervel/status/834095940906733569 - ayy lmao |
| 02:49.22 | Tek0516 | DrodoEmpire: So apparently those are going to be a thing now. :P |
| 02:50.08 | DrodoEmpire | Yeaa bwoi |
| 02:50.09 | DrodoEmpire | <.< |
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| 10:52.02 | Monet | Hi |
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| 11:11.38 | Wormydroid | Hi |
| 11:12.55 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 11:14.51 | Wormydroid | Meanwhile in Russia http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39337139 |
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| 11:53.01 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 11:55.14 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 11:59.28 | OluapPlayer | hi |
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| 12:01.16 | NeonPanda | hi all |
| 12:01.51 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 12:04.37 | OluapPlayer | hi |
| 12:08.21 | Tek0516 | https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/eu4-dev-diary-21st-march-2017-diplomatic-macro-builder.1006623/ I'm sold on the EU4 DLC now |
| 12:09.01 | NeonPanda | Tek0516: Played some stellaris with my mates, much hilarity ensued |
| 12:09.19 | NeonPanda | we discovered that the pacifist player had the largest standing military |
| 12:09.53 | Tek0516 | O.o |
| 12:10.15 | Tek0516 | Because they can't use it? |
| 12:10.55 | NeonPanda | turns out they were just really paranoid about one of the other three players, who has a reputation second only to mine for being a warmongering twat |
| 12:11.08 | Tek0516 | Lol |
| 12:12.01 | NeonPanda | but yeah, needless to say I had quite a shock when an exploratory fleet ran into 20k worth of shipping when I had about 7k |
| 12:12.16 | NeonPanda | these are total values, the explorer fleet was three unarmed corvettes |
| 12:14.37 | Tek0516 | I've got to play some more of my game, haven't done Horizon Signal yet so I want to try that before Utopia is released |
| 12:18.21 | Tek0516 | NeonPanda: How'd they get so big? |
| 12:20.21 | NeonPanda | ludicrous spawn luck, basically- very high value planets nearby that set them off for a snowball start |
| 12:20.31 | NeonPanda | from there it was the usual prepare for defensive war |
| 12:24.50 | Tek0516 | Ah |
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| 12:26.27 | Tek0516 | I've never actually played pacifist before. Nor even formed a Federation for that matter |
| 12:26.34 | ImpyDroid | Hiya |
| 12:26.38 | Tek0516 | Hello |
| 12:26.51 | NeonPanda | pacifism is pain, I tried it and did not enjoy |
| 12:27.01 | ImpyDroid | Liquid_Ink: Currently writing up the geography of Praestol and the corporations who own it |
| 12:27.31 | ImpyDroid | I wonder if there could be a workers' cooperative amongst these big corporations to add some diversity |
| 12:27.34 | Tek0516 | Pacifism might be more interesting when there's more internal politics behind it |
| 12:28.06 | ImpyDroid | Do you think cooperatives are efficient in general? You think they could survive in a highly capitalist society? |
| 12:29.31 | NeonPanda | the problem with pacifism is you're kinda boned at a certain point, cos someone declares war and you're in pain |
| 12:29.53 | NeonPanda | granted I'm in a different boat cos I play multiplayer mostly, and we're notorious for declaring on a random pacifist halfway across the galaxy just for the luls |
| 12:30.07 | Liquid_Ink | Capitalism inherently awards exploitation. Since worker co-ops are unwilling to screw their workers over for extra money, it puts them at a disadvantage |
| 12:30.25 | Tek0516 | Lol |
| 12:30.40 | NeonPanda | also because if you're militaristic you get bonuses while in war, and we're weakening another power that has no means of threatening us |
| 12:32.50 | Tek0516 | NeonPanda: Also, any idea what game you're going to play first with utopia? Hive mind, synthetic ascension, psionic ascension? Diverse ethics or unity? |
| 12:33.14 | NeonPanda | still got to look into it properly, but most likely Synthetic or hive mind |
| 12:33.18 | NeonPanda | unity definitely though |
| 12:34.27 | OluapPlayer | ImpyDroid: I had a weird dream sequence last night and part of it involved you and me killing Gul'dan by ourselves, except instead of a gnome monk you were playing a demon hunter |
| 12:34.31 | NeonPanda | since it sounds like Synthetic is a line to having a robot race |
| 12:34.42 | ImpyDroid | >demon hunter |
| 12:34.57 | ImpyDroid | Must have been a nightmare then hur |
| 12:35.08 | Tek0516 | NeonPanda: You haven't seen the dev diary stuff? |
| 12:35.15 | OluapPlayer | It was cool to me hur |
| 12:35.17 | NeonPanda | haven't gotten around to reading it |
| 12:38.09 | Tek0516 | But yes one Ascension path (taking "The Flesh is Weak" option I think) lets you upgrade your pops first to cyborgs (+ to minerals, energy, habitability and leader lifespan) then later upgrade to full synths as a new species you customize. :P |
| 12:38.35 | NeonPanda | prepares butthole for glorious evolution |
| 12:39.10 | NeonPanda | ALL THE SCIENCE SHALL BE DEPLOYED |
| 12:39.11 | NeonPanda | ALL OF IT |
| 12:39.38 | Tek0516 | Hive minds don't have any internal politics and basically have only purge mode so I won't do those first. :P |
| 12:40.04 | NeonPanda | new fiction update reveals Circle is actually building a megastructure in dark space, because GLORIOUS EVOLUTION |
| 12:40.39 | NeonPanda | which reminds me, I should finish that preview thingy, cos magic fire dinosaurs |
| 12:41.00 | Tek0516 | Depending on the other Ascension perks I might decide to go very megastructual for the hell of it. |
| 12:41.26 | ImpyDroid | OluapPlayer: I actually thought about making a female night elf DH because sexy demoness |
| 12:41.46 | Tek0516 | An entire galaxy of dyson spheres and ringworlds! Type II civilization! |
| 12:42.14 | NeonPanda | Circle - *deploys Y2K superweapon* |
| 12:43.07 | OluapPlayer | ImpyDroid: Apparently one of the female blood elf DH flirt lines is "I take on the powers of the demons I've killed. Did I tell you I've slain a whole army of succubi?" |
| 12:43.08 | Tek0516 | There's also big science megastructure and big brother is watching everything megastructure. |
| 12:43.20 | ImpyDroid | OH BOY |
| 12:44.00 | NeonPanda | OluapPlayer: 169% LEWD |
| 12:49.16 | ImpyDroid | Liquid_Ink: I'll just say one of the cities has a powerful workers' movement so compared to the rest of the planet the average man is pretty well-off there |
| 12:49.36 | Liquid_Ink | A worker co-op would have a better chance there. |
| 12:50.17 | Liquid_Ink | The best way a worker co-op would survive under capitalism to be able to organise mass boycotts of capitalist corporations. |
| 13:17.57 | Monet | How large is this co-op |
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| 13:20.03 | Monet | AndroImp: Who big is this worker co-op, how many live or take part? |
| 13:22.08 | Monet | I find that one of capitalism's key perks is it's very organic. It maintains itself though self-organisation and in some cases the fact it doesn't require as much oversight as a communistic economy might works to its benefit in terms of growth and provision. |
| 13:27.08 | Technobliterator | This is why I'm not really convinced by any economic argument to the left of social democracy |
| 13:27.36 | Technobliterator | To achieve that, you need to concentrate too much power in a central governing body, which is very easily corruptible |
| 13:28.09 | Technobliterator | Regulated capitalism is really the only way to go |
| 13:32.55 | OluapPlayer | Technobliterator: chek ancient three war |
| 13:33.00 | Technobliterator | neva |
| 13:33.03 | Technobliterator | sure in a bit |
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| 13:33.08 | Technobliterator | I need lunch |
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| 14:18.45 | Technobliterator | OluapPlayer, good stuff :o and I like that Fed'koppa was included |
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| 14:59.20 | drom | Hello |
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| 15:35.32 | ImpyDroid | Technobliterator: Could there be an Ottzelloan corporation on Praestol? |
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| 15:54.37 | Wormydroid | Tried Reeces peanut butter cups for tge first time, an American product. My blood sugar's gone tgrough the roof |
| 15:55.41 | drom | ImpyDroid: Justice is best served cold. http://i.imgur.com/bvDiHUq.png |
| 15:55.55 | Wormydroid | They were alright though, sweet but the salted peanut butter balanced it |
| 15:55.57 | drom | That was at the last second before the boss died |
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| 15:57.16 | AtsyBoi | Hi |
| 15:57.54 | Wormydroid | Hi |
| 16:00.25 | AtsyBoi | Why do you and Impy have "droid" in front of your name? |
| 16:01.18 | Wormydroid | Using an android, in my case. And I presume Impy is. |
| 16:01.38 | AtsyBoi | Why would you need to specify that? |
| 16:02.03 | Wormydroid | Because I might not be fully active |
| 16:02.23 | Wormydroid | Or have weak connection signal |
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| 16:02.51 | Wormydroid | Impy also auto logs in somehow |
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| 16:03.56 | Wormydroid | Bbl |
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| 16:04.57 | Tek0516 | We can also potentially logged in on computer and phone at same time |
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| 16:13.33 | AtsyBoi | let me try |
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| 16:56.19 | Jepardi | Hi |
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| 17:03.33 | AtsyBoi | Fandom mentioned us |
| 17:04.21 | AtsyBoi | gg tech |
| 17:05.36 | Tek0516 | What were we mentioned for this time? Last time it was comparing Spore to NMS I think. |
| 17:06.39 | AtsyBoi | that was it |
| 17:07.04 | AtsyBoi | also, ORANGE BLOATOS |
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| 17:22.19 | OluapPlayer | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:War_of_the_Ancient_Three#One_Falls.2C_Another_Rises update |
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| 17:30.36 | OluapPlayer | AndroImp: Have you been checking the updates to the ancient three war? |
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| 17:35.42 | ZF101 | Hello all. |
| 17:36.13 | OluapPlayer | Hi |
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| 17:41.21 | DanzaDelMondo | OluapPlayer: http://i.imgur.com/D4gi7bJ.jpg The PCA taking the Rovegar in |
| 17:41.37 | OluapPlayer | half accurate |
| 17:41.47 | OluapPlayer | Have you seen the updates to the ancient three war? |
| 17:42.41 | DanzaDelMondo | Yeah I did, hence this pic |
| 17:43.08 | OluapPlayer | Ah |
| 17:43.33 | OluapPlayer | But yeah. Vileraz turned the Council into servants, the Ganthorea are defeated and the Kondrakar have arrived |
| 17:43.40 | OluapPlayer | and they brought the Corruptus with them |
| 17:45.50 | DanzaDelMondo | Every government faction is evil |
| 17:45.58 | DanzaDelMondo | My favourite kind of war story |
| 17:46.44 | OluapPlayer | evil vs very evil vs ridiculously evil |
| 17:47.17 | OluapPlayer | Stop slacking and add the Divinarium to the war declaration pls |
| 17:48.13 | DanzaDelMondo | I have been doing uni stuff all day today sorry |
| 17:48.35 | DanzaDelMondo | I had an assignment about how Google search works |
| 17:48.46 | OluapPlayer | Huh |
| 17:48.48 | OluapPlayer | Unusual subject |
| 17:49.18 | DanzaDelMondo | Unfortunately I edited the document with Google Docs and when I sent it to the professor its layout fucked up |
| 17:49.48 | DanzaDelMondo | Google does not want us to know its secrets |
| 17:50.26 | OluapPlayer | hur |
| 17:51.09 | DanzaDelMondo | Seriously though Google and other search engines are one of the main things we are studying |
| 17:51.21 | DanzaDelMondo | It is one of the largest spheres where language and computers meet |
| 17:51.38 | DanzaDelMondo | We even made our own search engine as a programming assignment |
| 17:51.45 | OluapPlayer | That's cool |
| 17:53.23 | OluapPlayer | I was farming dinosaur bones at the Isle of Giants this morning. That place is ridiculously populated for what it is |
| 17:53.40 | OluapPlayer | You're lucky to go around and not find the mobs all dead already |
| 17:55.10 | OluapPlayer | Do you have the Zandalari raptor pets? Next time I go there I could get them for you |
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| 18:10.18 | Wormydroid | Hi |
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| 18:16.13 | Cyrannian | Hello everyone |
| 18:16.35 | Cyrannian | http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/0/86147.page - Take a look at thtis |
| 18:16.37 | Cyrannian | *this |
| 18:19.58 | OluapPlayer | Yeah that came out yesterday |
| 18:22.46 | Cyrannian | Maybe it'll mean I won't be constantly logged out ingame |
| 18:36.07 | Tek0516 | The good news of this update means they're probably not shutting down the Spore servers anytime soon. A major security patch seems the perfect justification to take an old system offline permanently if they planned to do it soon. |
| 18:36.49 | Cyrannian | Did anyone with the Origin version install the update yet? |
| 18:37.27 | ZF101 | Didn't we have to uninstal it to get it through? |
| 18:37.46 | Tek0516 | I haven't tried updating through origin, but I did reinstall Spore through Origin last night (for reasons unrelated to the update) and it was working fine. |
| 18:38.32 | ZF101 | I might have to try this tonight, after I finish my last class. |
| 18:38.44 | ZF101 | Bye bye all. |
| 18:39.00 | Tek0516 | Switching from Disc version to Origin was surprisingly painless. Didn't even need to move my save files. |
| 18:39.39 | Cyrannian | I'll have to back up my creations |
| 18:40.39 | Cyrannian | Though MaxisBazajaytee is doing a lot of good work, I read somewhere that he's the sole person managing the Spore site |
| 18:40.54 | Tek0516 | Huh |
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| 18:51.30 | OluapPlayer | He is |
| 18:51.41 | OluapPlayer | He's the only Maxis employee who still shows up in the Sporum |
| 18:52.51 | Cyrannian | Do you have the Steam version of Spore? |
| 18:55.54 | OluapPlayer | Yes |
| 19:24.11 | Cyrannian | Did Spore download automatically? |
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| 19:30.05 | Wormydroid | Hi |
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| 19:58.57 | Monet | hi |
| 19:59.18 | Imperios | Hi |
| 19:59.27 | Imperios | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Planet:Praestol#Demographics Added some more stuff, big update coming soon |
| 20:03.46 | Imperios | Monet and OluapPlayer may be interested |
| 20:03.49 | Imperios | Maybe Cyrannian too |
| 20:05.21 | Monet | I vaguely recall making Houseless cartels Sort of like Mafia families made out of outcasts. |
| 20:05.28 | Cyrannian | Very nice work as always, Impy |
| 20:06.12 | Imperios | Monet drom: Would "Northfire" be a good name for an energy corporation with a very charismatic CEO that has a cultish following? |
| 20:08.27 | Monet | Might be connotations but it sounds like it could be an arms manufacturer. |
| 20:09.27 | Monet | It could work as an energy producer though |
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| 20:12.59 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 20:13.05 | Cyrannian | Hi |
| 20:13.37 | Monet | hi |
| 20:14.21 | Hachiman | Actually quickly brb |
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| 20:17.13 | Hachiman | Right, back |
| 20:26.21 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Galactic_Empire_of_Cyrannus/Imperial_Navy#Executor-class_Star_Dreadnought - What do people think of this layout? |
| 20:28.50 | ZF101 | That's really cool. |
| 20:29.26 | Monet | It's a minor detail but what about numbers for compliment - how many fighter/bomber wings, what it can carry etc. |
| 20:31.01 | Imperios | http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/9/94/Northfire_Logo.png/revision/latest?cb=20170321202939 This logo is not offensive to anyone, right? |
| 20:31.15 | Imperios | It is not offensive in itself but it has... controversial origins |
| 20:31.35 | Imperios | I am just wondering how obscure is the organisation I took this design from; if you do not recognise it it is okay |
| 20:31.48 | Ghelae | All of the details are easy to read, but there's quite a bit of blank space so maybe information about complement could go in a second column to the right of the armament etc.? |
| 20:31.48 | Monet | Seems fairly typical |
| 20:32.52 | Monet | The only controversiality I imagine you're thinking of is the colour. But it's not like UKIP has a monopoly on purple-and-yellow imagery. |
| 20:33.05 | Imperios | This was intentional too |
| 20:33.14 | Imperios | They are the most evil organisation hur |
| 20:33.18 | Imperios | *corporation |
| 20:33.22 | ZF101 | Oh, UKIP. I heard of them. Not pleasant, right? |
| 20:33.56 | Hachiman | Why would that logo be offensive? |
| 20:34.30 | Hachiman | It's like a yellow / purple version of the Flash's logo |
| 20:34.52 | Monet | ZF101: You get either disillusioned youths or older folks wearing rose-tinted spectacles. |
| 20:35.34 | ZF101 | I thought as much. |
| 20:36.41 | Monet | If it inspires here's a fictional evil energy group http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/f/fd/Sticker%2C375x360.png/revision/latest?cb=20170208193120 |
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| 20:38.06 | Imperios | Hachiman: You wanna know? |
| 20:38.18 | Imperios | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Union_of_Fascists |
| 20:39.08 | Hachiman | ... Oh |
| 20:39.36 | Hachiman | Isn't this like that time we chewed out one of the newfags for using a flag that mirrored one Middle Eastern terrorist group |
| 20:39.59 | Imperios | Yeah, but the BUF is old and even at its heyday was practically useless |
| 20:40.00 | ZF101 | Yeah, Crimson. |
| 20:40.11 | Ghelae | I think most people would just think of it as a generic thunderbolt symbol, rather than associating it with a short-lived 1930s fascist party. |
| 20:40.12 | Imperios | So I doubt it'd ruffle anyone's feathers |
| 20:40.35 | Imperios | I kind of thought of some sinister totalitarian symbol and here I found that |
| 20:40.43 | Imperios | The colours help as well hur |
| 20:40.44 | ZF101 | I still feel uncomfortable working with him at times. |
| 20:40.57 | Hachiman | Why's that? |
| 20:41.18 | Monet | The BUF is already history and as you can tell by the reaction of two Brits, not something that is common knowledge. |
| 20:41.29 | Imperios | Hachiman: You mean the colours? |
| 20:41.40 | Hachiman | No I meant Zilla |
| 20:41.55 | Hachiman | I understand how the colours can be interpreted as villainous hur |
| 20:43.39 | ZF101 | Hachi: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3AThe_Mendel_Schism#Hellworld His stuff just gets a little to crude for my tastes. Especially with a character named "C**t tamer". |
| 20:45.07 | Imperios | >The BBC report described how Elam's fascist philosophy grew from her suffragette experiences, how the British fascist movement became largely driven by women, how they targeted young women from an early age, how the first British fascist movement was founded by a woman, and how the leading lights of the Suffragettes had, with Oswald Mosley, founded the BUF.[11] |
| 20:45.10 | Imperios | Literal feminazis |
| 20:45.25 | Cyrannian | "Quagmire the Corpse-Fucker" |
| 20:45.45 | Monet | 400% edge that one |
| 20:45.47 | Imperios | This guy must have a unique version of Tourette's Syndome |
| 20:46.01 | Hachiman | "Curtails the Cunt-Tamer" |
| 20:46.05 | Hachiman | Holy shit my sides |
| 20:46.09 | Imperios | Instead of swearing with his mouth, he feels a need to write controversial things |
| 20:46.27 | Wormy_ | I remember there was this British woman in the 1930s famed for her advocacy of the Nazi party, she even het a relationship at one point with Hitler but was later rejected, so she was thought to have killed herself. |
| 20:46.33 | Cyrannian | "Sir Rapesalot" is my personal favourite |
| 20:46.52 | drom | Imperios: You could try Northlight |
| 20:47.32 | ZF101 | I wanted to make a serious story that deconstructs the Mendel Pact's warrior nature, and develops 2 of my main characters throughout. Then I wake up to check my editions and get sliced open with edge. |
| 20:48.14 | ZF101 | I've really got to talk to him about this. |
| 20:48.18 | Monet | Actualyl come to think of it |
| 20:48.39 | Monet | Nothfire does remind me of Norsefire, the Fascist Nazi-like party from V for Vendetta. |
| 20:50.28 | ZF101 | That's most likely by coincidence. |
| 20:51.52 | Imperios | Nah it isn't, that's ALL intentional |
| 20:51.57 | Wormy_ | Character named "Hasish" lol |
| 20:52.32 | Technobliterator | Imperios, there can be, yeah |
| 20:52.49 | ZF101 | Somebody, kill me. |
| 20:53.06 | OluapPlayer | tfw you wanna tame dat puss but you cant |
| 20:53.08 | OluapPlayer | fukin cunt |
| 20:53.40 | Technobliterator | Oh right, it's me next Borealis War section isn't it |
| 20:53.55 | OluapPlayer | Yes |
| 20:53.56 | Cyrannian | He should have mixed things up with a character called 'Quagmire the Abstinent' |
| 20:53.57 | Wormy_ | https://youtu.be/cU0ZNHpFBag?t=7m25s |
| 20:54.43 | OluapPlayer | Or rather, i think it's an rp |
| 20:54.51 | OluapPlayer | At least the latter part of it |
| 20:55.08 | Hachiman | Fucking Quagmire though |
| 20:55.10 | ZF101 | I know he created them to be a sex obsessed culture, but this is just...what even. |
| 20:55.24 | Hachiman | That cannot not be a Family Guy reference |
| 20:55.37 | ZF101 | https://photos1.iorbix.com/00/00/00/00/01/74/40/61/Jotaro-Kujo-bZ1jImuOS-b.jpg |
| 20:56.07 | OluapPlayer | giggity giggity |
| 20:56.11 | OluapPlayer | GI GI TY |
| 20:56.24 | Wormy_ | god I love this paragraph |
| 20:56.41 | Cyrannian | Sir Rapesalot doe |
| 20:56.42 | Technobliterator | It makes sense for most of it to be rp'd |
| 20:56.45 | Wormy_ | "Swims-With-Bowlegged-Women gave him a huge casket of Riverwine. Fenric kept this gift, and had one of his Scythiag men present the fat, jolly sailor with a war-worn Scythiag laser musket. " |
| 20:56.48 | ZF101 | That moment in your story when someone steals all the attention with his super edginess. |
| 20:58.07 | ZF101 | One sliver lining, I get to kill ALL of them at the end. Perhaps that will make it worth it. |
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| 20:58.28 | DrodoEmpire | Hey everybody |
| 20:58.32 | Cyrannian | I for one will mourn their passing |
| 20:58.39 | DrodoEmpire | Its six and it looks like its noon out |
| 20:58.39 | ZF101 | Hey Drodo. |
| 20:58.43 | DrodoEmpire | Spring really is here :D |
| 20:58.48 | Hachiman | Why would you just kill off such iconic characters as Quagmire the Corpse-Fucker, Sir Rapesalot, and Curtails the Cunt-Tamer |
| 20:58.54 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 20:59.31 | OluapPlayer | seriously though what the fuck hur |
| 20:59.33 | ZF101 | Well, we both agreed on it, and two, I am not letting that shit live in my personal passion project. |
| 20:59.34 | OluapPlayer | This guy's got issues |
| 20:59.35 | Monet | Because one needs more edge than a freshly sharpened katana. |
| 20:59.38 | Cyrannian | Will we ever find out what happened when Sir Rapesalot encountered Lady Rapesoccasionally |
| 20:59.43 | DrodoEmpire | Wait what actually is this lmao |
| 20:59.58 | ZF101 | My story, Drodo, got a fun new addition. |
| 21:00.04 | DrodoEmpire | Oh no |
| 21:00.17 | ZF101 | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3AThe_Mendel_Schism#Hellworld |
| 21:00.22 | ZF101 | Gaze upon the edge |
| 21:00.40 | Hachiman | You don't understandu how much I'm actually laughing right now |
| 21:00.41 | ZF101 | Watch your fingers, and don't get cut to deep. |
| 21:00.46 | Monet | DrodoEmpire: Names that Sigmund frued himself would look at and say "kid, you got issues." |
| 21:00.55 | Cyrannian | I wonder if he did that for fun, or are these supposed to be serious characters? |
| 21:01.12 | ZF101 | I'm not sure which is scarier. |
| 21:01.23 | OluapPlayer | Thing's so edgy it goes 360º and turns back into a perfectly smooth circle |
| 21:01.25 | Hachiman | Reminds me that I had a thought the other day that "Areola" would not look too out of place for a name in the Fantasyverse |
| 21:02.04 | Hachiman | And neither would Chlamydia |
| 21:02.21 | OluapPlayer | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:War_of_the_Ancient_Three#One_Falls.2C_Another_Rises for those who weren't here earlier |
| 21:03.14 | Hachiman | padre |
| 21:03.17 | Hachiman | Nice work |
| 21:03.26 | Hachiman | Maknagrius doesn't waste time |
| 21:03.45 | ZF101 | No brakes on the Corruptus Train. |
| 21:03.49 | DrodoEmpire | Zf101: I fucking cackled like some witch reading that |
| 21:04.22 | Cyrannian | Indeed, noice work Oluap |
| 21:04.25 | DrodoEmpire | Its like something you'd read out of "John Dies at the End" |
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| 21:04.57 | Hachiman | Hi Tree |
| 21:04.57 | Treebeard | Hello |
| 21:05.03 | Hachiman | I still need to read that book |
| 21:05.05 | Wormy_ | he did it for k e k |
| 21:05.06 | ZF101 | DrodoEmpire Yeah, not a fun thing to find in your story, but I will enjoy killing off everyone one of them. |
| 21:05.10 | Hachiman | Apparently it's really god |
| 21:05.25 | Hachiman | good* |
| 21:05.29 | DrodoEmpire | Its -really- fucked up |
| 21:05.34 | DrodoEmpire | But yeah its great |
| 21:05.37 | ZF101 | I'm going Hideaki Anno on em. |
| 21:05.56 | Cyrannian | If you're annoyed by their inclusion, Zilla, you should just ask him to change the names, it's your fiction after all |
| 21:06.10 | Hachiman | Nah don't |
| 21:06.13 | ZF101 | No, no. Killing em off will be all the more cathartic. |
| 21:06.16 | Hachiman | They're fucking perfect |
| 21:06.38 | Hachiman | You can't just ask Crimson to change his minute masterpiece |
| 21:06.52 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 21:07.06 | Cyrannian | In that case, Sir Rapesalot should come down with herpes or something |
| 21:07.14 | Monet | ZF101: WIll that include the spiral of depression? |
| 21:07.26 | OluapPlayer | They all get arrested for not paying child support |
| 21:07.31 | Cyrannian | olol |
| 21:07.49 | Imperios | OluapPlayer: *Legion theme music plays* |
| 21:08.23 | Wormy_ | I think it has its charm |
| 21:08.33 | OluapPlayer | THESE MORTALS DARE NOT CHALLENGE MY CLAIM FOR THE GALAXY |
| 21:09.14 | Wormy_ | blue-green space herpes |
| 21:09.43 | ZF101 | They're already blue. That's gonna be awkard. |
| 21:09.58 | OluapPlayer | purple-green then |
| 21:10.15 | Hachiman | GREEN AND PURPLE GREEN AND PURPLE GREEN AND PURPLE |
| 21:10.31 | Wormy_ | I hear orange contrasts |
| 21:11.21 | ZF101 | Purple and green is far more fabulous. |
| 21:11.31 | Imperios | OluapPlayer: I AM GOD KING MAKNAGRIUS, I TOO HAVE PROVEN MY WORTH |
| 21:11.34 | ZF101 | Gotta be stylin with those STDs |
| 21:12.21 | OluapPlayer | GIVE UP HYPERBOREA, OR DAI |
| 21:15.04 | Wormy_ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhWArBhPWu0 |
| 21:15.52 | Cyrannian | As for Quagmire the Corpse-Fucker, he could have a character arc in which he finds a nice corpse, settles down in a pleasant corpse-suburb and raises a wholesome family of corpses, learning the true meaning of necrophilic love along the way |
| 21:16.20 | ZF101 | Mendel - Boi, put that corpse back. |
| 21:16.30 | OluapPlayer | fukin zombie sympathiser |
| 21:17.49 | ZF101 | They are literally part of the Mendel Pact actually. |
| 21:17.49 | Hachiman | From Corpse-Fucker to Necro-Lover |
| 21:18.00 | ZF101 | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Mendel_Pact/Species#Lagorthenes |
| 21:19.18 | ZF101 | "So you wish to Join the Pact, Mr....Corpse-Fucker? What even is my life" |
| 21:20.35 | Cyrannian | You never know actually, 'The Corpse-Fucker' could just be a really unfortunate alien surname |
| 21:20.35 | ZF101 | I like the ideas he has, but...this is just silly. |
| 21:21.22 | OluapPlayer | http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/674/944/72c.jpg I find this pic appropriate for this whole thing |
| 21:21.29 | Hachiman | The fact he once used a Taliban / al-Qaeda / ISIS flag as a logo for one of his fictions though |
| 21:21.39 | OluapPlayer | that'd be me if Corpse-Fucker offered himself to be in my fiction, for one |
| 21:21.57 | ZF101 | That too, Hachi. Way to political for me. |
| 21:22.09 | ZF101 | I stick to ancient cultures, so no one gets offended. |
| 21:23.57 | ZF101 | Oluapplayer - https://pics.onsizzle.com/words-cant-hurt-me-these-shades-are-gucci-gn-tiny-14828945.png |
| 21:26.06 | Hachiman | dat giorno |
| 21:26.24 | Monet | All I get is this guy is showing off. |
| 21:26.43 | Monet | "Too cool for insults"? |
| 21:27.10 | Cyrannian | On CrimsonFire's userpage, he lists his occupation as 'Irish Mob' |
| 21:27.37 | Cyrannian | gurl pls |
| 21:28.14 | OluapPlayer | show him by drinking him down with your hyper liver |
| 21:28.20 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:29.13 | Wormy_ | the crudenous can be effective in the right context, but yeah it looks edgy and out of the blue here. |
| 21:29.30 | Cyrannian | I like his fiction, my Coggies allied with his Space!IRA |
| 21:31.43 | Monet | I see some users that seem to put a lot of effort into looking like they're cool people. |
| 21:31.58 | Monet | True cool needs to be as smooth as breathing. |
| 21:32.27 | Wormy_ | But what *is* cool |
| 21:33.25 | Monet | From what I can tell, confidence, charm, the issue is in school cool is osmething you need ot get the hang of. |
| 21:33.29 | Monet | It's a skill. |
| 21:33.39 | Cyrannian | I would imagine it's just humour, he doesn't expect people to actually think he's in a mob, I'm sure. |
| 21:34.12 | DrodoEmpire | I don't pretend to be anything other than a shitposting feggit :> |
| 21:34.40 | Hachiman | Wormy_: Whoa calm down Michael |
| 21:35.03 | Monet | DrodoEmpire: THat's another factor. |
| 21:35.17 | ZF101 | Bye bye all |
| 21:35.21 | Monet | Be genuine, be comfortable with who you are |
| 21:35.31 | Wormy_ | Hey Michael, Vsauce here |
| 21:35.36 | Hachiman | kek |
| 21:35.53 | Hachiman | Great now I have that fucking music playing in my head |
| 21:36.17 | OluapPlayer | DrodoEmpire: yall get banned nao |
| 21:36.33 | DrodoEmpire | >: |
| 21:37.18 | Wormy_ | I'm not sure if you can make yourself cool, it just flows when it does. Some people have it more than others. |
| 21:37.24 | Technobliterator | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Second_Borealis_Galactic_War/Part_2#According_to_Plan Get hype :o |
| 21:37.26 | Hachiman | Wormy_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN25ghkfgQA |
| 21:37.43 | OluapPlayer | I just noticed the guy called Hashish the Half-Dick |
| 21:37.50 | OluapPlayer | It's like Hachi but evil |
| 21:38.00 | Hachiman | olol |
| 21:38.08 | OluapPlayer | Also yes, new war section |
| 21:38.13 | Monet | Wormy_: In a way I suppsoe you can |
| 21:38.13 | Hachiman | rite |
| 21:38.26 | Monet | Embrace that flow, even among nerds there are the cool nerds. |
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| 21:39.12 | Hachiman | Speaking of cool nerds |
| 21:39.13 | Wormy_ | I don't mean to say those who are not cool will never be cool, anyone can be cool, but coolness must come naturally |
| 21:39.16 | Hachiman | Oi cunt |
| 21:39.24 | OluapPlayer | definitely not the guy who just joined |
| 21:39.27 | OluapPlayer | yall jokin me |
| 21:39.35 | Hachiman | shup boogeyman |
| 21:39.40 | OluapPlayer | boo |
| 21:39.41 | Hachiman | or oogie boogie rather |
| 21:39.44 | Wormy_ | Its like Zen |
| 21:39.58 | DrodoEmpire | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsPF8SPAy7E |
| 21:40.01 | OluapPlayer | YOU'RE JOKING, YOU'RE JOKING, I CAN'T BELIEVE MY EYES |
| 21:40.01 | Monet | Wormy_: I suppose like Zen it can be coerced. |
| 21:40.18 | Monet | You don't get cool by forcing it, you get cool by letting it flow to you. |
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| 21:40.24 | Wormy_ | yep |
| 21:40.27 | Cyrannian | comrade Liquid |
| 21:40.56 | Cyrannian | Ghelae and I are up to shenanigans if you'd like to join |
| 21:41.35 | Liquid_Ink | Shenanigans? |
| 21:44.21 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 21:47.54 | Wormy_ | I'm still not sure I understand the Zen mindstate, it embraces paradox and is logically unreachable. No amount of doing, willing or even acceptance can force it. |
| 21:48.13 | Wormy_ | It is utterly alien to the Western mind. |
| 21:48.55 | OluapPlayer | or maybe we're just too dumb to understand it |
| 21:49.03 | Wormy_ | That has dominated since the fall of Gnostic and Hermetic schools anyway |
| 21:49.30 | Wormy_ | Nah, from the western mindset its justifying irrational |
| 21:49.52 | Wormy_ | They are equally weird to each other |
| 21:51.26 | Wormy_ | Closest thing might be Ludwig Wittgenstein's 'unasking the question' |
| 21:52.15 | Wormy_ | Taoist ideas are also very hard for Westerners to comprehend |
| 21:52.46 | Wormy_ | Most of the Taoism that filters to the West has lost its context, linguistic richness and poorly translated |
| 21:53.33 | Monet | I can see the merit in the unreachable |
| 21:53.49 | Monet | It's not that you reach it that matters, it's how far you can get. |
| 21:54.18 | Wormy_ | I picked up a Taoist alchemy book called Secret of the Golden Flower, which still suffers some interpretation, but I don't understand it unfortunately |
| 21:55.21 | Wormy_ | The most I actually learnmed about Zen was not from the mediration books, but from a book about logic weirdly enough |
| 21:56.21 | Wormy_ | The author compares it to Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem, |
| 21:56.56 | Wormy_ | And uses Zen loans to help one reason about infinite and undecidable things |
| 21:57.01 | Wormy_ | (koans |
| 21:58.48 | Wormy_ | The author argues all thought is language based, but language and perception are dualistic, so even the highest state of zen meditations is != Zen |
| 21:58.57 | Wormy_ | Like Monet says, its the journey not the aim |
| 21:59.05 | Wormy_ | *outcome |
| 22:00.17 | Wormy_ | In that sense Zen exists |
| 22:02.43 | Wormy_ | But even this is dualistic, one could just embrace paradox and think like an Eastern philosopher |
| 22:06.08 | Wormy_ | The early Western alchemists used ideas that apear alien and even naive to us |
| 22:06.21 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 22:13.55 | Wormy_ | And eye opener for me was that the alchemical dream was not really about turning metals into gold, that was a parlour trick. The neoplatonists had this idea called the "Coincidentia oppositorum", or unity of opposites. Again its faintly Zen-like, alchemists embraced the concept that things could only be understood by simultaneously viewing it for what it is and is not. |
| 22:14.56 | Wormy_ | Mercury, as it was a reflective metal that took on the shape of anything that contained it, they viewed as a microcosm of the mind |
| 22:16.30 | Wormy_ | When alchemists were doing experiments they didn't separate their subjective experience from the matter |
| 22:20.26 | Wormy_ | In other words internal psychological experience directly correlated with the external world |
| 22:22.10 | Monet | Paradoxical indeed, at least to modern minds |
| 22:23.09 | Monet | But indeed, 'unity of opposites' is quite Taoist. |
| 22:24.12 | Wormy_ | Western culture was long dominated by the Christian tradition of human souls being separate from the world, and then came in early moden science's Cartesian dualism that seeks serperate reducble sunstaces. So Western culture for the most part implies this strongly dualistic thought process |
| 22:24.27 | Wormy_ | Its not a bad thing if you want to do science and engineer things though |
| 22:25.24 | Wormy_ | Though science has now gone full cirxcke and seeks to firmly understand the mind embodied in the world as part of it |
| 22:26.08 | Wormy_ | And these ideas seem once again, very strange. |
| 22:27.25 | Monet | Remind me a little of a facet of Tolkien's mythology. |
| 22:28.12 | Monet | The catastophies of the First Age were so reality-breaking that Middle-Earth became something of an impossible realm to dwell for the Firstborn. |
| 22:29.13 | Monet | The Elves of Middle-Earth, due to the world's alien nature were immortal, but as the millennia passed they would fade; become spirits in the wind. |
| 22:30.16 | Wormy_ | So the world and magical beings in it were like the microcosm and macrocosm reflecting anything and all? |
| 22:31.13 | Monet | Something like that. |
| 22:31.27 | Monet | Middle Earth to them was essentially broken. |
| 22:32.36 | Monet | It might have been a metaphor for how as the age of Men came, the Old Ways were becoming logical impossibilities. Alien worlds. |
| 22:32.44 | Wormy_ | Woulfn't surprise me Tolkein studied this stuff |
| 22:32.49 | Wormy_ | yeah |
| 22:33.58 | Wormy_ | Reminds me of an essay out there that tries to argue magic did exist in the world, but began vanishing rapidly during the time of Christ. It goes to length at finding writings about or from the time that might record the recession of magic |
| 22:34.34 | Wormy_ | Though if magic existed and does no longer, one could argue that is magical :P |
| 22:34.58 | Monet | Perhaps. |
| 22:35.37 | Wormy_ | Also if one goes into believing magic existed, you might as well believe all the claims of magic now |
| 22:41.27 | Wormy_ | http://jaskology.com/?p=258 |
| 22:44.47 | Monet | Well there might still have been false claims of magic even back then |
| 22:45.15 | Monet | Magic is what isn't understood and I'm sure even Wizards saw plenty of cons claiming magic. |
| 22:45.37 | NeonPanda | sufficiently advanced technology and whatnot |
| 22:49.04 | Wormy_ | Ghel has a good definition of magic, "like effects like", i.e. walnuts are good for the brain because walnuts and brains are wrinkly. This kind of thinking is common, so its easy to see how magical belief systems evolve |
| 22:49.23 | Wormy_ | Things can seem to correspond |
| 22:50.38 | Ghelae | This is how most real magical beliefs worked, and it's essentially the technical definition of "magic" e.g. in the sense of magical thinking. |
| 22:52.54 | Wormy_ | I guess its where the concept of unity of opposites came from, but treated very rigorously |
| 22:52.58 | Ghelae | Since most people tend to work with complex structures with emergent properties rather than elementary particles and fundamental physics, it probably shouldn't be a surprise that most people's ideas about how the world works features emergent concepts acting as physical forces. |
| 22:54.23 | Ghelae | I know at least a naive picture of alchemy fits the description: lead is turned to gold by removing impurity, and the same process applied to humans renders them immortal. |
| 22:56.15 | Wormy_ | Synchronicity is a temporal version, finding meaning by corresponding unrelated events |
| 22:56.26 | Ghelae | Yeah. |
| 22:57.03 | Ghelae | Different cultures will have different ideas about what should be classed as "magic", though, so this would need to be taken into account when trying to used historical evidence to argue e.g. that magic once existed but then faded away. |
| 22:59.32 | Ghelae | It's not immediately obvious how, say, divination in general fits the strong-emergence definition of magic. |
| 23:00.13 | Wormy_ | How come? |
| 23:00.39 | Ghelae | Well, it's not immediately obvious to me at this time at night. |
| 23:00.49 | Ghelae | Although individual forms of divination can easily be made to fit. |
| 23:01.23 | Wormy_ | Right, I see |
| 23:01.53 | Ghelae | Most forms of divination - e.g. casting of lots, augury - could perhaps be considered a sort of controlled synchronicity; events in the future are inexplicably correlated with patterns in the present. |
| 23:03.07 | Ghelae | Oracles and prophecies are more like contact with spirits, and this shows how the Christian sense of "magic" is interpreted as the use of non-divine spirits. Prophets of God are not magical; Oracles of Apollo are. |
| 23:04.34 | Ghelae | In many cases, magical acts are explained as involving spirits (gods respond to rituals, or alter nature so as to provide omens). |
| 23:05.12 | Ghelae | But it would not surprise me if these were often later rationalisations for what is intially a sort of strong-emergentist belief. |
| 23:05.14 | Wormy_ | Or the sprits could be created, like golems or tulpas |
| 23:07.13 | Wormy_ | There's also an ingrained belief that there is an unseen world just beyond our reach that is or could be inhabited by others. When electrical devices entered public consciousness it wasn't long before it influenced spiritualism |
| 23:07.49 | Wormy_ | So the idea of spirits might come from a belief of other people (other tribesmen?) living over the hill |
| 23:09.09 | Wormy_ | or looking for sigfns of intelligent activity in everything |
| 23:10.59 | Ghelae | Consciousness is another emergent property that is easily treated as being a physical thing. I've never heard of the idea that a belief in spirits was based on other tribes, but AFAIK it's generally held that animism arises from people assuming that inanimate objects may too possess consciousness. |
| 23:11.15 | Ghelae | And maybe hallucinogenic drugs. |
| 23:11.26 | Ghelae | :P |
| 23:12.41 | Wormy_ | The tribesman idea was one I just came up withL our ancestors probabky survived better if they knew whether other people inhabited the new land or not, by looking for signs |
| 23:13.00 | Wormy_ | But its probably much simpler |
| 23:14.50 | Wormy_ | http://nautil.us/issue/11/light/why-physicists-make-up-stories-in-the-dark |
| 23:15.35 | Wormy_ | I thinnk that's the article that looks into the history of an obsession of assigning invisible entities into everything |
| 23:16.27 | Wormy_ | "The Internet, that invisible babble of voices, seems almost designed to house spirits." |
| 23:20.14 | DanzaDelMondo | Wormy_: Remember when I showed you music made by ethnic minorities in Russia? |
| 23:20.23 | DanzaDelMondo | Tuvan I think |
| 23:20.27 | Wormy_ | kind of |
| 23:22.12 | DanzaDelMondo | I found this video, related to another Mongolian ethnicity in Russia, the Buryats |
| 23:22.15 | DanzaDelMondo | https://youtu.be/sD0OvUWOdZg |
| 23:22.29 | DanzaDelMondo | Warning: it is pure unadulterated propaganda |
| 23:23.34 | Wormy_ | aye |
| 23:26.18 | *** join/#sporewiki Tybusen (8036b106@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.54.177.6) |
| 23:26.25 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 23:28.21 | Wormy_ | Tyubsen: I tried Reeces Peanutbutter cups for the first time, I hear they are very popular in the US. I was expecting them to be inspidly sweet. They *were* sweet, but the salted peanut butter balanced it. However, I got a sugar rush and then a headache. The ingredients also gave me a headache, not sure there's peanut or chocolate in them :P |
| 23:30.00 | DrodoEmpire | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH |
| 23:30.01 | Tybusen | Reeses are pretty good, it's like you said it's not overwhelmingly sweet thanks to the peanut butter |
| 23:30.10 | DrodoEmpire | REESES ARE MY FAVOURITE FUCVKING THING |
| 23:30.24 | OluapPlayer | shit son calm down |
| 23:30.30 | DrodoEmpire | sorry >: |
| 23:30.37 | Wormy_ | It was quite pleasant to eat |
| 23:30.49 | DrodoEmpire | They're great |
| 23:30.53 | DrodoEmpire | Well balanced, as you said |
| 23:31.40 | Wormy_ | There's now reeces pieces inside peanut better cups |
| 23:31.58 | DrodoEmpire | Ack |
| 23:32.02 | DrodoEmpire | I like reeses themselves |
| 23:32.07 | DrodoEmpire | But reeses pieces are nasty |
| 23:32.20 | DrodoEmpire | -They- are insipidly sweet |
| 23:33.36 | Wormy_ | They remind me of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smarties |
| 23:33.49 | DrodoEmpire | They're a bit like smarties but bad |
| 23:33.54 | DrodoEmpire | Smarties are actually decent |
| 23:34.30 | DrodoEmpire | Though my history teacher insists that smarties are the bastardised mutant cousins of M&Ms |
| 23:34.53 | Wormy_ | M&M's are alright |
| 23:35.23 | Monet | Haven't seen/eaten Smarties in a long while |
| 23:35.39 | Wormy_ | Just don't mix them with skittles plz |
| 23:35.59 | Wormy_ | Minstrels are the king imo |
| 23:36.00 | Monet | Skittles are tangy. |
| 23:36.18 | DrodoEmpire | I don't really like -candy- so I'm not usually a fan of skittles |
| 23:36.30 | Cyrannian | Wormy_: "Red Smarties were previously dyed with cochineal, a derivative of the product made by extracting colour from female cochineal beetles." |
| 23:36.36 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 23:36.44 | DrodoEmpire | True |
| 23:36.52 | Wormy_ | Blue smarties are dyed with blue-green algae |
| 23:37.38 | DrodoEmpire | "M&M company caught putting ALGAE in their candy! (EXCLUSIVE) (EXPOSED)" |
| 23:38.08 | DrodoEmpire | Seriously what is it with shitty British papers and their habit of CAPITALISING words? |
| 23:38.48 | Monet | It makes the emotionally charged words stand out more. |
| 23:39.07 | DrodoEmpire | To me it just makes the whole thing seem unprofessional |
| 23:39.22 | *** join/#sporewiki ImpyDroid (~yaaic@95.140.92.56) |
| 23:39.27 | Wormy_ | clickbait, or flickbait in rl |
| 23:39.35 | ImpyDroid | Hi |
| 23:39.46 | ImpyDroid | Wormy_: Did you receive the video? |
| 23:39.49 | Wormy_ | Yes |
| 23:39.58 | Wormy_ | The propaganda one? |
| 23:40.06 | Monet | Yeah the sensationalist trifecta of the Sun, Express and Mail aren't really well regarded for professionalism. |
| 23:40.15 | Wormy_ | lol |
| 23:40.32 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 23:41.03 | DrodoEmpire | Honestly Canadian tabloids, as far as I can tell, aren't nearly as interesting or original |
| 23:41.42 | DrodoEmpire | This has got to be the -fiftieth- time Charlie Sheen has cancer, according to them? |
| 23:42.33 | Monet | It sounds like Charlie Sheen getting cancer is your Diana. |
| 23:42.56 | DrodoEmpire | Just an example, its always the same roster of celebrities with them |
| 23:43.36 | DrodoEmpire | And its always cancer, a divorce, or their supposed drug problem catching up to them :p |
| 23:43.48 | DrodoEmpire | Pointless fake shlock the lot of it |
| 23:44.42 | Tybusen | Their target demographic is people who lack the necessary critical thinking skills to see that it's recycled fake garbage |
| 23:44.49 | Wormy_ | ImpyDroid: http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/782190/Russia-Vladimir-Putin-warning-West-explosive-military-training-drills |
| 23:45.13 | ImpyDroid | Wormy%: Yeah |
| 23:45.22 | DrodoEmpire | Tybusen: Naturally, yeah |
| 23:45.27 | ImpyDroid | Wormy_ |
| 23:46.50 | DrodoEmpire | Oh cool |
| 23:46.55 | DrodoEmpire | Metatron actually has a tanegashima |
| 23:47.02 | DrodoEmpire | Don't see those very often |
| 23:47.25 | Wormy_ | Its funny how they didn't downplay Russia like old propaganda might even though The Express pro-English |
| 23:49.03 | Wormy_ | ayy lmao http://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/781493/Time-travel-statues-handbags |
| 23:49.18 | Wormy_ | The titles and articles are amusing tho |
