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15:49.22dromAndroImp: I am 50 rn
15:49.32drom50 down, 10 to go!
15:49.33AndroImpyiy
15:49.44AndroImpleveling up to 60 is easy
15:51.04dromWhen grinding on dungeons, yeah
15:51.06drom:)
15:52.22dromAt least it is worth grinding the reputation points
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16:14.02OluapPlayer~eat Cyrannian
16:14.03infobotThat's too disgusting.
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16:22.45Wormy_semi_herehttp://www.retrothing.com/2008/08/akat-1-retrocom.html
16:32.35Cyrannian~tickle OluapPlayer
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16:34.00Wormy_semi_hereThink I might be coming down with something
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16:50.01NeonPandahi all
16:50.25OluapPlayerhi
17:00.08Cyrannianhttp://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/4/41/Maethoruin.png/revision/latest?cb=20170316165950 - Maethoruin's got some new duds
17:01.24OluapPlayernot spiky enuff
17:02.12Cyrannianuseful for hug stabs
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17:02.55ImperiosHi
17:03.11CyrannianHi, take a look at this: http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/4/41/Maethoruin.png/revision/latest?cb=20170316165950
17:03.13OluapPlayerHi
17:03.24ImperiosOh wow Cyr is here, I just wanted to tell you something
17:03.26OluapPlayerCyrannian: where u been recently, you've not been around much
17:04.07ImperiosCyrannian: Maethoruin - *spins sword hysterically*
17:04.51CyrannianI've been busy with college work, plus I've been playing a lot of Swtor and Halo Wars 2 Electric Boogaloo
17:04.53ImperiosAlso http://cs5.pikabu.ru/post_img/big/2015/12/24/9/145096960012518114.jpg
17:05.26OluapPlayerImperios: I hear patch 7.2 is available to pre-load
17:05.31ImperiosYeah it is
17:05.35ImperiosWE'LL BE FLYING SOON
17:05.39OluapPlayeraw yis
17:05.45OluapPlayerI'm gonna guess it's gonna come out in the next week or two
17:06.09ImperiosThey even lowered the second pathfinder achievement's requirements
17:06.17OluapPlayerYeah I noticed
17:06.23ImperiosPreviously they required Exalted with the new faction
17:06.25ImperiosNow it's revered
17:06.29OluapPlayerThank fuck for that
17:06.38OluapPlayerIt's bad enough that you need two pathfinder achievements to fly in Legion
17:07.12OluapPlayerI bet they're gonna start beta-testing Argus as soon as Tomb of Sargeras comes out
17:07.19OluapPlayerThey've been pumping out content like crazy
17:07.27ImperiosCyrannian: The Russian Orthodox Church declared this year that it will officially celebrate Saint Patrick's Day
17:07.55OluapPlayerI wonder if they're gonna do a 7.2.5
17:08.08OluapPlayerI think they said they were interested in smaller scale but more frequent patches
17:08.22ImperiosCould be nice to have a little content patch before Argus
17:08.27ImperiosMaybe with a hint at future expansions
17:08.50OluapPlayerold god dong everywhere
17:11.05ImperiosI kind of want more small raids like Trial of Valour
17:11.11ImperiosThat reuse assets
17:11.38OluapPlayerTrial of Valor was okay since it helped finish off a major plot line
17:11.44OluapPlayerNot sure what else they could do of that nature
17:12.43OluapPlayerjust as long as I don't have to fight fucking Odyn again hur
17:14.12dromImperios: If only I could grind my Leatherworking faster than I do with Skinning and dungeons.
17:14.23AndroImpI WILL HOLD NOTHING BACK
17:14.29dromhttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/269434270190272512/291981505725464579/unknown.png
17:14.41AndroImpdrom: Profession levels do not matter as much in Legion
17:15.26AndroImpThey are only needed for real top tier items
17:15.37NeonPandadrom: mfw mining stone in ArcheAge gave you XP faster than grinding mobs outside of dailies, and proficiency in stonecutting, so by the time I hit max-level I could do literally all the stonecutting
17:16.08AndroImpAlchemists can make flasks on any level but 800 is required to make the super cauldron
17:16.37AndroImpWhich is not even stronger than normal flasks, just more convenient
17:17.00AndroImpNeonPanda: GW2 had that except with production professions
17:17.10AndroImpYou gained XP by crafting things
17:17.16AndroImpIt was really convenient
17:17.39NeonPandafunny thing was I had a friend who was actually trying to grind stonecutting proficiency, but I was better at stonecutting than him
17:17.55NeonPandaand I'd never actually done any stonecutting per se
17:18.17OluapPlayerLegion's lack of level requirement for crafting is a fantastic way of leveling up the actual profession
17:18.24dromAndroImp what do you mean with that?
17:18.26OluapPlayerI can finally easily train blacksmithing
17:18.33OluapPlayerJust spam leystone breastplates
17:18.43dromI don't have the Legion expansion for reference
17:19.06AndroImpdrom: There is a separate crafting progression for Legion
17:19.23AndroImpThat is done via quests
17:19.33NeonPandafunnily enough I actually made a pretty decent wage just selling precision-cut stone, which was actually really easy to unlock the ability to craft just people were lazy
17:19.56NeonPanda(for comparison: max proficiency was 50'000, you only needed 1'000 for PCS)
17:20.14AndroImpYou are told to meet specific craftsmen or gather resources and whatnot, and you are given new recipes for that, regardless of your actual profession level
17:20.24dromAndroImp I know that there are dalies that increase your level by one for the relevant skill
17:20.48AndroImpAs I said, uou can do the Legion quests at skill level one
17:20.52AndroImp*you
17:21.04dromRight, where can I do it then?
17:21.09AndroImpOnce you hit 100
17:21.46drom:V
17:22.02AndroImpBut WoD garrisons will also help greatly with leveling your profession
17:22.06dromAnd I sit here, level 52
17:22.47AndroImpThere will be a special barn where you can farm mobs for copious amounts of leather
17:23.07AndroImpAnd special items that boost your skill level very quickly
17:23.18AndroImpLike +10 for every item made
17:23.35NeonPandaAndroImp: just makes me think of my Rimworld colony, I have like 8 buffalos that my colonists shear for wool to make clothes to sell
17:24.51NeonPandaspeaking of, in new rimworld colony OluapPlayer is chief of making fancy statues out of stone and pointy things out of metal, and Drom is my prison warden
17:25.18OluapPlayercraftsdwarf, i mean manship of highest quality
17:26.00dromI am the prison warden?
17:26.10dromTell me, how am I treating my patrons?
17:26.21NeonPandawell you haven't had to shoot anyone recently, so that's always nice
17:27.27dromPah, I rock on the chair polishing on my gun. Just like the fat shrieff slacking in the wild western movies.
17:38.25NeonPandaalso, is anyone familiar with the game Use Your Words?
17:38.56OluapPlayerCan't say I am
17:39.26NeonPandahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIi1S_FWveM observe
17:51.31Wormy_semi_heredrom, Tek0516, Ghelae, DrodoEmpire:  When hippies and techno-utopians met https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zlsCLukG9A
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18:00.49DrodoEmpireHuh
18:23.50ImperiosCyrannian: Did you get my message about Saint Patrick?
18:24.10CyrannianWhoops, I missed it
18:24.28CyrannianSt Patrick's Day is cringey doe
18:38.51Wormy_semi_hereDay off tho, rite?
18:43.19Cyranniantru dat
18:51.35DrodoEmpireSo uh
18:51.56DrodoEmpireIf I ever figure out quite how to do it, would anybody be interested in a SporeWiki Stellaris mod?
18:52.32DrodoEmpireSomething like a total conversion, a (necessarily simplified and abstracted) map and all
18:52.48Tek0516DrodoEmpire: I've spent a lot of time in the files so I can probably help
18:52.56DrodoEmpireGreat
18:53.41Tek0516An at least simplified static map is possible too, Star Trek New Horizons is an example on its viability
18:53.43DrodoEmpireMonet's expressed interest in doing commissions in the past, so if we get -really- serious about this I could commission a few species portraits
18:53.48DrodoEmpireAh cool
18:54.23Tek0516At worst we can make static species images based on Spore screenshots.
18:54.32DrodoEmpireYeah, though I don
18:54.53DrodoEmpire*don't know if that'd be perfect. Still, could work
18:55.22Tek0516There's a whole thing on animating them but I haven't checked what it requires for a while.
18:57.35Cyrannianhttp://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/269465930025739591/39CAB78C08C6BDCF597CBE57150E0FBFC92F022C/ - I added a Libertus civ, but it was a frustrating process
19:01.32Tek0516Cyrannian: As evidenced by the right arm of that poor Libertus? :P
19:02.14Cyrannianaye, that arm caused me a lot of grief
19:02.41Tek0516DrodoEmpire: I'd say most of the non-art stuff would need to be held off until after Banks is released too, considering the extent of its changes
19:03.17DrodoEmpire^
19:03.20DrodoEmpireDefinitely
19:03.47DrodoEmpireCyrannian: There's actually a raptor portrait pack on the workshop <.<
19:05.38Tek0516I've wanted to try adding some stuff soon too anyway
19:05.39DrodoEmpirehttp://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=872596925
19:09.02Tek0516I'm kind of curious how much work even the basic animated portraits take.
19:13.41Tek0516...I also should really fix my Spore install. >.<
19:24.49Tek0516Basically everything but my creations and saves are f***ed up.
19:28.14CyrannianOoh I'll have to check that out
19:29.06Tek0516Drom: Remember how I mentioned my work has two independent networks? My manager just had to get two separate computers, a dedicated one for each network. O.o
19:36.35Tek0516I'll probably play some Stellaris tonight so maybe I'll try out some modding. Or maybe just continue my game with the Star Trek mod
19:42.25DrodoEmpireAhh, kk
19:42.35DrodoEmpireI'ma probably download that ST mod and pick it apart a little
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19:46.17DrodoEmpireHi
19:47.24Tek0516DrodoEmpire: Definitely incomplete but it's very cool in its total conversion
19:48.19Tek0516It also has certain empires that start with multiple systems, species, etc in case we want to generate that
19:48.58Tek0516(i.e. asymmetrical "historical" Sporewiki start)
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20:13.06ImperiosXho drom: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKOI5zKgFDg
20:13.28Xhowtf
20:14.45Imperiostest
20:15.50OluapPlayerhi
20:16.18Xhoohai
20:17.41XhoCyrannian: so wait u update matheoruin's creature with your own instead of mine                       dik move waptor
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20:19.01MonetHeyo
20:19.16Tek0516Hey
20:19.32OluapPlayerhi
20:22.37TreebeardHello
20:38.22MonetAndroImp: How suited to someone with a busy life would you say GW2 is atm?
20:52.29ImperiosCyrannian: Apparently leprechauns are called "farfadets" in French
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21:00.04Tek0516DrodoEmpire: I wonder who would be the Fallen Empire/Stagnant Ascendancy of a Sporewiki Stellaris.
21:00.11cyrabotxhu
21:00.44XhoHi
21:04.09ImperiosTek0516: The DI
21:04.29ImperiosDI and Kicath
21:04.49Tek0516Yeah, DI was my first pick. Kicath definitely fits.
21:04.59Xhoada wa
21:05.10Tek0516Though modern DI is more Awakened Empire.
21:05.25ImperiosThe Church of Spode was a stagnant ascendancy for sure
21:05.42ImperiosOh, and Rovegar
21:05.47MonetThe Beast Arises.
21:05.58ImperiosOh look we summoned Monet
21:06.09Imperiosfeeds Monet some gold
21:06.14ImperiosOr whatever dragons eat
21:06.21Wormy_semi_herefeeds Monet a cuppa
21:06.27Wormy_semi_here*English dragon
21:06.53Tek0516https://youtu.be/WhBNQdANHOo Also this new Stellaris track is really cool, especially considering this was one take and they hadn't even seen the music before performing it. O.o
21:07.02MonetAll these things are good.
21:07.11ImperiosSpeaking of dragons
21:07.12MonetThough dragons live better eating horses.
21:07.26ImperiosI only just realised that Minos'Drakon is a play on the traditional dragon cave trope
21:07.31ImperiosI feel so stupid now
21:07.49MonetYou mean the imperial palace?
21:07.56ImperiosYeah
21:08.35OluapPlayeryall live in a hole
21:09.38ImperiosOluapPlayer: I had an idea about Eieielord's remains on Praestol
21:09.53dromTek0516: That sounds great hur
21:10.05OluapPlayerThere wouldn't be any, since Corruptus demons turn into ash when they die
21:10.08XhoI should probably finish off Ja-shonar's model
21:10.28ImperiosWhat if his residual energy caused anomalous volcanic activity within the mountains where he was killed, which the inhabitants would tap into
21:10.37ImperiosOr maybe they used to, before something terrible happened
21:10.42OluapPlayerOr most specifically, they liquefy, then disintegrate
21:10.50OluapPlayerResidual energy is anotehr story
21:11.24OluapPlayerTapping into entropic energy never ends well so you'd end up with a lot of crazed tentacled cats
21:11.33ImperiosPraestol feels like just the kind of place where people would harvest a demon's essence for energy and nobody would bat an eye
21:11.38ImperiosThat's what I intend to do
21:11.59OluapPlayerIt'd be a very unintelligent thing to attempt, but you can do it
21:12.00ImperiosThere was a city in these mountains that used the residual energy, then at some point, boom, zombie apocalypse
21:12.24ImperiosBehold the power of capitalism
21:12.55OluapPlayergonna make a lot of money by turning your population into mutant violent wrecks
21:13.12Xhodosh
21:13.25XhoSounds a bit V for Vendetta ish
21:13.26ImperiosYou make a lot of money, shit happens to your workers, you flee and deny everything
21:13.50OluapPlayerLast time someone tried to harness the energy of a dead Corruptus demon, a Corruptus Overworld sprouted back to life
21:14.30ImperiosI think I could try making some sort of dangerous Praestol animals
21:14.38OluapPlayerIf Praestol is dumb enough to attempt it, they deserve all the consequences it entails
21:14.41ImperiosIt is still a wild place
21:15.09ImperiosPraestolites are not the most sympathetic people I guess
21:15.15MonetDepends how much harvesting the energy could seep into the power grid.
21:15.48ImperiosIt is likely that they never even knew where the energy came from
21:16.26Monet90% of the time electricity comes from powering a dynamo, so if we go all scienc-y then maybe the spread coudl be in the from of the demonic energy seeping out of the power plant creeping along the power lines.
21:16.31OluapPlayer"demons are just fairy tale", says the radeon having his ear ripped off by a giant spider nightmare
21:17.11OluapPlayerIf there's residual energy of Eleielord in Praestol, that'd mean his spawn would be there too
21:17.17OluapPlayerSo lots of spiders
21:19.06MonetWell as Space Hong Kong whose to say what's down in the underlevels of its megacities.
21:20.56OluapPlayeronly requirement for my approval is a substantial amount of casualties
21:22.27MonetIf I understand Praestol right, so long as those casualties are Praestol's poor and destitute, the administration wouldn't see it as a crisis.
21:22.44MonetSo the possibility exists
21:23.11OluapPlayerplace must be purged in big neon purple demon fire
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21:46.21MonetCOntinuiing what Impy said I think it took me a little while ot realise the Imperial palace was playing off a dragon staple
21:47.31MonetI initially just thought it was a very effective defensive measure.
21:48.30OluapPlayerConvenient coincidence
21:49.16MonetI might have been inspired by the Gallente Command from EVE
21:52.12MonetIn the centre of their capital is a plaza where it and the surrounding buildings made primarily of diamond
21:52.26MonetAbout a kilometre underneath is Navy High Command.
21:54.45MonetThe whole diamond facade thing is more in line with Vetarion's palace.
21:55.57dromAndroImp OluapPlayer: Meanwhile in a 55-60 level zone. http://i.imgur.com/shVwwrZ.png
21:56.17AndroImpWrong Blasted Lands kek
21:56.28dromAnd yes, that is an level 110 hostile mob
21:56.38Xholol get shrekt
21:56.40dromSilithus, actually.
21:56.44AndroImpOh
21:56.54AndroImpSilithus is useless
21:57.02AndroImpJust go to the Blasted Lands and be done with it
21:57.03dromAt the Twiligt Base Camps, you know these with those big stone obelisks
21:57.09Wormy_semi_hereDrodoEmpire:  https://pics.me.me/ayy-mao-lmao-lmao-2528890.png
21:57.28AndroImpSilithus has them because of the recent global event there I think
21:57.42drom:/
21:58.28dromWEll since I am a hunter, it is easy to avoid their insanely big aggro range with Forfeit Death
21:59.04OluapPlayerI didn't think Silithus mobs were given max level
21:59.09OluapPlayerI thought they had level scaling
21:59.33XhoOluapPlayer AndroImp: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Ja-shonar qt catboi is not actually qt catboi
22:00.07AndroImpNot hot and cute and sparkly enough
22:00.34OluapPlayermore like a very pissed off looking chinese man
22:00.45XhoJa-shonar - nani
22:00.51Xhoyeh wrong culture fuk u weeb
22:01.23OluapPlayerSilithus being a level 110 area is dumb though
22:01.35OluapPlayer>area has level 110 mobs             >and two level 60 raids
22:02.58OluapPlayerWish I could use my Red Qiraji mount outside of the raids. It's the only rare drop mount I ever got
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22:12.30dromOluapPlayer, it is still a level 55-60 area
22:12.43dromIt is just that the elementals is there for some dumb reason.
22:13.02dromare, even
22:13.43dromThere is not a single vendor with repair services
22:13.47dromfuck dis place
22:13.54dromscrew outlands, too
22:15.27Tek0516DrodoEmpire: If we really do a SporeWiki mod we should package the Spore Galaxy Colours mod in. :P
22:15.42DrodoEmpire^
22:15.56DrodoEmpireOh
22:15.59DrodoEmpireYeah I've been away
22:16.17DrodoEmpireI think the Silvan Megastructural Culture would be a good FE
22:16.54DrodoEmpireNot the DI or any of those, given that they're active political entities
22:17.04DrodoEmpireAnd have not experienced a fall of their civilisation at any level
22:17.54Tek0516Maybe Monet can correct me but I think the DI did at one point
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22:18.54DrodoEmpireI just zucked myself <.<
22:19.15Wormy_semi_hereDrodoEmpire:  https://pics.me.me/ayy-mao-lmao-lmao-2528890.png
22:19.23OluapPlayerfukin ded
22:19.29DrodoEmpireYeah I saw hur
22:19.54Tek05166:17 PM <Tek0516> Maybe Monet can correct me but I think the DI did at one point > Only thing you missed (sorry for double ping monet)
22:20.29DrodoEmpire...eeyeah but they've certainly climbed out of that hole
22:20.59DrodoEmpireThe DI's history is highly cyclical, and it goes through times of prosperity and times of conflict as I understand it
22:21.13OluapPlayerthey literally live in a hole tho
22:21.15DrodoEmpireAs an entity its outlived multiple -species- that claimed the title of "Draconis"
22:21.53DrodoEmpireSo I think it'd be highly inaccurate to make it an FE
22:22.06Tek0516DrodoEmpire: Also why I mentioned at some point they're more Awakened Ascendancy than FE
22:22.09DrodoEmpireFEs should be reserved for those civs who've truly fallen from grace in the FU
22:22.11DrodoEmpireAh
22:23.06DrodoEmpireIf possible it'd probably also be wise to mod in different govenment forms, maybe hardcode some empires to have them
22:23.20AndroImpThe Rovegar are the closest thing we have
22:23.25DrodoEmpireWell
22:23.31DrodoEmpireThem and the old Silvan civ
22:23.37DrodoEmpireSo say some form of constitutional monarchy for the Drodo Empire
22:23.54AndroImpOr we could fuck up the canon and have some of our traditional precursors as FEs
22:24.10AndroImpNot sure if the Divinarium counts as an oligarchy or a monarchy
22:24.23MonetMonarchy.
22:25.47MonetOligarchies elect a single member to be a spokesman or figurehad.
22:26.14MonetThe real control of an oligarchy comes from just underneath the head of state.
22:27.14AndroImpYeah but the Clericarch is elected by the oligarchical council
22:28.20AndroImpI think that in certain states whether the government is an oligarchy or a autocracy can depend on the person
22:28.28AndroImpLike the Soviet Union for example
22:28.45Tek0516Playing the Star Trek Stellaris mod I apparently missed the Federation forming. O.O
22:29.35MonetThough while oligarchies in Stellaris elect leaders that run for 40 years, I imagine there could be real oligarchies where the elected head is there for life.
22:29.49AndroImpWell again the Soviet Union
22:30.26AndroImpMost leaders ruled for life
22:30.57AndroImpBut then there is China where leaders change every now and then
22:33.07Tek0516Stellaris is getting a new tier of leadership type next patch between oligarchy and monarchy.
22:33.20AndroImpWhat would it be like?
22:33.37AndroImpActually gimme an example of a good modern oligarchy outside the obvious
22:33.58OluapPlayerMonet: https://www.reddit.com/r/shadowofmordor/comments/5ypjle/livestream_info_dump/deryd7y/ have some Shadow of War info from last week's stream
22:34.44MonetAndroImp Lord-mayor of London possibly
22:34.55AndroImpThat is not a country
22:35.08MonetThe lord mayor is elected by the guilds, rather than by the people.
22:36.34Wormy_semi_hereCyrannian:  FREEDOM http://imgur.com/gallery/MXd3R
22:37.01MonetOluapPlayer: I like the detail around Talon's beard.
22:37.23OluapPlayerHis beard is the least of my worries hur
22:37.31MonetI know
22:37.47Tek0516AndroImp: Well actually it's just rules for life but not hereditary.
22:37.49MonetI pointed it out because were people worried about that?
22:38.11OluapPlayerApparently a sizeable amount of people were
22:38.23OluapPlayerguess they like their men hairy
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22:39.35MonetBonsoir monsieur.
22:40.06Wormy_semi_hereAndroImp:  https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Combined_flag_of_the_Celtic_nations.jpg
22:40.09OluapPlayerThis game is looking so hype though
22:40.18OluapPlayerI hope they show more gameplay soon
22:40.19MonetChoo-choo!
22:40.32OluapPlayerall aboard the mordor train
22:40.48Charles_Botanghredadun nos da
22:41.54MonetLast call for the hype train to More-door!
22:42.51OluapPlayerThis all makes me want to watch Lord of the Rings again. Last time I did must've been over 10 years ago
22:43.24Monet"They only allusion to a sequel is when they jokingly described the movie Hellboy 2 as the sequel to Shadow of War" If such a sequel is made hopefully it won't be as shit.
22:43.42XhoB U I L D  M E  A N  A R M Y  W O R T H Y  O F  M O R D O R
22:44.41OluapPlayerThey mentioned it because they did some trivia questions and one of them was the meaning of Celebrimbor's name in elven language, which's Silver Fist
22:44.49OluapPlayerand apparently there's someone in Hellboy 2 called Silver Hand
22:44.59Xhohuh
22:45.03XhoI don't remember that
22:45.30OluapPlayernever watched Hellboy 2 so I wouldn't know
22:45.40XhoOh wait Nuada, that makes sense
22:45.46AndroImpWormy_semi_here: that looks like a mess hur
22:45.46XhoHis full title is Prince Nuada of the Silver Hand
22:45.54AndroImpBut interesting nonetheless
22:46.10XhoNo wait that's Silverlance
22:46.10AndroImpOluapPlayer: fucking paladins
22:46.13XhoI'm confused now
22:46.32OluapPlayerMaybe I misheard, anyway you get the point
22:46.45Wormy_semi_heremind blown http://imgur.com/gallery/IXCkW
22:46.59Xhoaye
22:47.03OluapPlayerDrakes are confirmed to be found in the wilderness and you can dominate them and terrorize the countryside
22:47.06OluapPlayerthat's what matters
22:47.17MonetI vaguely recall the plot other than a group of elves looking for the macguffin to power up the titular army.
22:47.23XhoNuada is an extremely ancient elf who's also bitter about losing his culture so it makes sense that he came up in it
22:47.38OluapPlayerburninating the countryside            burninating the peasants
22:47.45Xhowhat in burnation
22:48.02Xhoinb4 smaug with a straw hat
22:48.17MonetThey included Minas Morgul in the stream.
22:48.23MonetIIRC
22:48.26OluapPlayerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90X5NJleYJQ educate yaself
22:48.40MonetSo that's one famous fortress
22:48.49XhoMinas Morgul eh
22:48.57XhoWe're gonna see some Witch King of Angmar action
22:49.22MonetLikely we get to take it over.
22:49.40Xhodat boss fight tho
22:49.40MonetGiven the inclusion of Sauron We may or may not be able to besiege Barad-Dur.
22:50.29MonetMy money is on Barad-Dur being the biggest fortress in the game because final boss level.
22:50.54Wormy_semi_here#freetheskeleton http://imgur.com/gallery/TDlm6
22:51.08XhoSo what point in time does these games actually take place
22:51.34XhoOh right between the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings
22:51.56OluapPlayerNazgul are confirmed to be boss fights
22:52.08OluapPlayerWitch-King probably included
22:52.10MonetSO we might very well get WIch King action
22:52.39MonetHonestly his appearance in the trilogy was cool but they underpowered him.
22:52.54XhoThe extended addition builds on him slightly
22:53.03MonetThe Witch-King is said to have all the benefits of living as a Nazgul with none of the drawbacks, for one.
22:53.10XhoLike he shatters Gandalf's staff with a vacuum from his sword
22:53.31Xhohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7egAVqmH4Q Here we are
22:53.54MonetHe was among the nine that chased Frodo but I think it's said he wouldn't have been affected by Arwen's water stallion spell like the others were.
22:53.55Wormy_semi_herehttp://imgur.com/gallery/u2mh4
22:54.58Wormy_semi_herehttp://imgur.com/gallery/oIZdP
22:55.11OluapPlayerConsidering Talion has an elven wraith empowering him, plus his own Ring of Power now
22:55.13OluapPlayerHe's essentially a mini-nazgul
22:55.44MonetXho: A scream that shatters a tool of the Istari                 that'll about do it.
22:56.08XhoDoesn't explain how Gandalf managed to slay the Balrog
22:56.14XhoAnd the Balrog is a fallen Maiar
22:56.49MonetWith great determination
22:56.56MonetHe did get promoted for the accomplishment.
22:57.22OluapPlayerIsn't Gandalf a Maiar or something like that too?
22:57.28XhoHe is
22:57.36XhoSo is Sauron
22:57.40MonetSO it's an angel vs angel battle
22:57.50XhoThey all vary in degrees of power, Sauron is probably the most powerful of the Maiar
22:58.01OluapPlayerso u got ur answer
22:58.32XhoThe Balrogs were ruled by Morgoth but I don't know if the Balrogs would serve Sauron
22:58.55OluapPlayerSauron is Morgoth's successor so I don't see why not
22:59.26MonetThey might do so begrudgingly
22:59.37XhoWell Durin's Bane laid in state for over 5000 years
22:59.40MonetOr they'd do it similar to how Gandalf was subordinate to Saruman.
22:59.54OluapPlayerThe Balrog in SoW might be the only one
22:59.56XhoProbably, I don't think Durin's Bane would be aware of Sauron
23:00.12OluapPlayerHe's confirmed to be something you'll encounter in-game, rather than just a cinematic trailer thing
23:00.18Xhooh god
23:00.30Wormy_semi_hereMonet, Xho:  Books on how to summon spirits and demons http://imgur.com/gallery/jLlkr
23:00.42DrodoEmpireTechnobliterator: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOSzAZDwYrE :o
23:01.37Xhoooh
23:01.48XhoThe films rarely imply Gandalf is a Maiar
23:02.07AndroImpSo it goes
23:02.09OluapPlayerI definitely didn't know until recently
23:02.10XhoI think there's one line where he mentions he has lived three hundred lives of men or someting
23:02.14Xhosomething*
23:02.30OluapPlayerI thought he was just an old man who came back to life for no reason
23:02.32AndroImpSauron > Saruman > Gandalf > Balrog
23:02.35Xholul
23:02.46XhoActually, Gandalf is more powerful than Saruman
23:03.02XhoAs Maiar anyway
23:03.48AndroImpWhy do Balrogs look different though
23:03.59AndroImpCould say Gandalf shapeshift into one I wonder
23:03.59MonetThey're fallen Maiar.
23:04.00XhoThey fell to the darkness
23:04.02AndroImpCould be useful
23:04.11XhoWell Gandalf can shapeshift
23:04.16XhoHence why he is an old man
23:04.24MonetThey were corrupted by Morgoth's dark power.
23:04.31OluapPlayerhow obvious hur
23:04.35AndroImpI think it would be cool if he shapeshifted into something useful
23:04.36XhoI don't think he can change form whilst in Middle-Earth though
23:04.59MonetSauron was said to have one been able to take the form of one of the Eldar.
23:05.07AndroImpI remember Sauron had a bishonen form
23:05.14XhoAnnatar doi
23:05.16OluapPlayerThat's his Bringer of Gifts disguise
23:05.26AndroImpBut after getting killed could not assume it anymore
23:05.36AndroImpHence being stuck with the badass armored guy form
23:05.44AndroImpAnd then the eye
23:06.13OluapPlayerI've read Sauron was never a big floating eye in the books. That's a movie invention
23:06.28MonetWormy: I've heard of Magick in Theory and Practice and -maybe- the Ars Notaria.
23:07.59MonetOluapPlayer: Before the events of the Lord of the Rings he did spend time as the Necromancer of Dol Goldur.
23:08.09MonetGuldur*
23:08.22XhoAndroImp: Kind of true, Sauron's inability to take on a fair form was only when Númenor was destroyed
23:08.25AndroImpOne way or another he was bodiless
23:08.37Wormy_semi_hereI had heard of  Corpus Hermeticum and the Emerald Tablet of Hermes Trismegistus
23:08.40XhoHe was caught up in the destruction of the island and lost his physical form
23:08.57Wormy_semi_hereI purchased The Secret of the Golden Flower but failed  to understand it
23:09.54MonetI vaguely recal lthey -may- have mentioned Principia Mathematica in Doctor Strange.
23:10.18XhoNúmenor's destruction caused Arda to turn from flat into spherical
23:10.38OluapPlayerOne thing I found interesting while reading about book-Sauron is that, superhuman attributes aside, he was actually a poor fighter and avoided physical confrontation whenever possible
23:11.02XhoPretty much
23:11.04OluapPlayerNot what comes to mind when the dude is a big black walking suit of armor
23:11.11XhoThe Maiar weren't exactly superhuman
23:11.19XhoThey were just intelligent and gifted with magic
23:11.32AndroImpSauron, the Maiar equivalent of an autistic edgy geek who hates everyone
23:11.38MonetWormy_semi_Here: Doctor Strange did mention the Key of Solomon.
23:11.51XhoSauron more so than most, hence why he managed to drive Middle-Earth into darkness during the Second Age
23:12.00XhoNot many Maiar by themselves were capable of that
23:12.18XhoHe used his magical power and charm to make everyone fall to him
23:12.46AndroImpWormy_semi_here: Just realised when you posted that picture. I always find it weird when protesters in other countries fly the hammer and sickle flag
23:13.18AndroImpSorry for nerding about symbols again hur
23:13.26AndroImpThey kind of became my passion recently
23:13.45XhoMorgoth is a Valar so he was more powerful than Sauron
23:14.00AndroImpBut yeah, I have never thought of it as a political symbol even though it is, it was kind of more of a national symbol here
23:14.21OluapPlayervillain overlord of inactive sporewiki admins
23:14.31AndroImpWhat if
23:14.34Xhohoh
23:14.37MonetOluapPlayer: At the battle of Pelennor Fields, Sauron's appearance was something of a last stand.
23:14.41MonetNot Pellenor fields
23:14.41AndroImpMorgothbot is Sauron
23:14.51MonetWHerever the battle of the Last Alliance was.
23:14.55XhoMordor
23:14.55AndroImpOh wait he is no longer here
23:15.08OluapPlayerMorgothbot is gone so I guess that means the One Ring is destroyed in sporewiki canon
23:15.19MonetIn the books it was outside the Black Gates, and became the swamp Frodo and Sam crossed in the movie
23:15.32Wormy_semi_hereAndroImp:  Understandable
23:15.48AndroImp<PROTECTED>
23:16.04Wormy_semi_hereTo me its the symbol of communism
23:16.17AndroImpSo weird that different symbols have so different connotations in different countries
23:16.32Wormy_semi_hereSeperated from any national ideology but it does make me think of the Soviets
23:16.33XhoShelob also kind of qualifies as an Ainur as well
23:16.42MonetThe dead men, orcs and elves whose bodies floated in the waters, and who kept the torches lit, were those damned by Sauron's armies.
23:16.42OluapPlayerShadow of Mordor definitely makes the big armored Sauron entertaining when you fight him in the Bright Lord DLC, since he can team-kill his own uruks and send them flying across the battlefield like ragdolls
23:16.43AndroImpLike the red star too
23:17.03AndroImpEverywhere else it is a symbol of opposition to militarism and authority
23:17.03Wormy_semi_hereEven the North Korean Juche symbolism looks derived
23:17.21AndroImpHere it is a symbol of the military
23:17.35MonetSauron was pretty deadly in the fight largely due to his magic.
23:17.53Wormy_semi_hereYeah to me stars make me think of dictators, and not necessarily communist ones.
23:18.05MonetIt's one of the Peter Jackson decisions to clad him in spiky armour.
23:18.34OluapPlayerWas he shown in spiky armor in the movies? I don't really remember
23:18.38AndroImpNot just the army, but say a TV channel that runs war movies has it as  a logo, or army figurine shops
23:18.44XhoYeah
23:18.49OluapPlayerAs far as I remember he was just a big red eye
23:19.31Xhohttps://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/bc/48/85/bc488524f04d56b55d05efb9a8da69f4.jpg Looks like that in the film
23:19.32MonetWe saw Giant Spiky Sauron was in the prologue bit.
23:19.33AndroImpWormy_semi_here: I think that quite a few communist countries tried making their own answer to the hammer and sickle
23:19.43AndroImpEast Germany had the hammer and compass
23:19.57AndroImpHungary the hammer and wheat sheaf
23:20.00XhoOluapPlayer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF_nXcgEXxg
23:21.00MonetIn the 1978 animated adaptation, all we saw of Sauron was a shadow on a wall.
23:21.48AndroImpXho: Sauron's mace looks and acts like a Warhammer power weapon here
23:23.54MonetPretty-much.
23:24.55Xhohttps://youtu.be/ssYpJn5YGJc?t=1m55s Sauron is arguably more badass in this
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23:26.40XhoOluapPlayer_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLhypaRifcE This kind of shows how powerful Galadriel is
23:27.26OluapPlayerI don't really know who Galadriel is or why she's important
23:27.33cyrabotsauron is the smoke monster from lost
23:27.47MonetShe's one of the greatest elven sorceresses
23:27.55MonetAnd queen of Mirkwood.
23:28.00XhoLothlorien
23:28.14XhoThranduil is the king of Mirkwood
23:29.25OluapPlayerWhat is even happening in that scene hur
23:29.26XhoGaladriel comes from an ancient culture of elves and is one of Sauron's oldest surviving enemies
23:29.30Xhono clue
23:29.33Xhothat film isn't good
23:29.51XhoBut yeah when Sauron presented the three elven rings, Galadriel was one of them
23:29.58XhoOne of the receivers
23:30.10MonetGandalf confonts Sauron at Dol Guldur.
23:30.21MonetThat's the scene.
23:31.49XhoShe's also Elrond's mother in law
23:32.07MonetI can't remember how but Gandalf was captured as Elrond and Galadrial had dismissed Sauron's return.
23:32.23MonetSO Gandalf had gone to find out the truth himself.
23:32.43XhoIn the book she actually razes Dol Guldur to the ground
23:33.00XhoAs far as I remember
23:33.45XhoBut yeah Galadriel was a pain in Sauron's side for over three thousand years running
23:34.19OluapPlayernice lady would piss off for kicks
23:34.22XhoShe's also the eldest of a dying culture so that makes her important as well
23:34.51XhoBy the books the Elves have vanished from Middle-Earth
23:34.55XhoVery few left anyway
23:34.59MonetYeah was going to say didn't she remember the war of the First Age?
23:35.10XhoPretty much
23:35.18XhoShe was already over a thousand years old by that point
23:36.08XhoTolkien puts her birth year at YT 1362 which is about 8,000 - 10,000 years before the events in the books
23:36.22MonetOld lady.
23:36.43XhoElrond is quite old as well
23:36.53MonetBeing a recipient of one of the Elven rings makes sense why in the film she went a little power-trippy although I don't think that happened in the book did it?
23:37.23XhoWell she has the power trip in the Fellowship of the Ring
23:37.39XhoMost of the Hobbit films are artistic licence in comparison
23:38.08XhoBut yeah from what I gather its a visage of her being if she fell to the darkness
23:38.14MonetI remember watching the scene thinking "Bloody hell lady I thought you were nice!"
23:38.37Xhoheh
23:40.02XhoBut yeah Dark!Galadriel is pretty much as bad as Sauron
23:40.06MonetGreat performance though.
23:40.40XhoWell Cate Blanchett always does
23:40.56XhoI read somewhere that Galadriel is the most powerful being in Middle-Earth
23:41.03MonetIIRC by the time the Fourth Age came around the last of the Elves had departed.
23:41.07XhoRegarding Sauron's weakened state
23:42.23XhoYeah pretty much
23:42.32XhoAnyway I need sleep
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