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09:32.00HachimanHi
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09:33.25WormydroidHi
09:34.23WormydroidI met a transhumanist face to face last night in the pub.  He buldozed into our conversation somehow
09:34.49GhelaeHi
09:35.43WormydroidHe seemed smart and well read, but the more he talkedI realised he was one of those uncritical transhumanists who are certain we will be digitally uploaded in 50 years and the singularity is coming
09:36.19Liquid_InkI see
09:36.24WormydroidAnd he would come out with weird things like the Flat Earth society
09:37.01WormydroidAnd thought beards were a primitive meme from Viking times
09:37.43Liquid_Ink..?
09:39.13HachimanFucking hell
09:39.26WormydroidI have never before met a transhumanist, and I didn't expect to fibd one in a small Derbyshire town microbrewery
09:40.43WormydroidHe buldozed into a conversation that had nothing to do with the singularity, like he was just waiting there to do so
09:42.22Hachimanhur
09:42.34HachimanYeah, as far as I know, they kinda have a tendency to do that
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09:47.59WormydroidHachiman saw Trainspotting 2 last night
09:48.07HachimanHow was it?
09:48.34WormydroidYou need to watch the first one to get all the references
09:48.51HachimanWell of course
09:48.57WormydroidBut it felt just like Trainspotting 1
09:49.10HachimanIs that a good or bad thing?
09:49.23WormydroidGoodx definitely
09:53.10WormydroidHachiman That feel when you laugh at scenes when nobody else does
09:53.17Hachimanhur
09:54.21WormydroidThey were definitely serious domestic issues not meant to he laughed at
09:54.46WormydroidBut I was pretty drunk so
09:55.09Hachimanolol
09:55.14HachimanSo you watched it drunk then
09:55.25HachimanDid you see it with any mates?
09:55.57WormydroidYes
09:56.11WormydroidI drank before, during and after
09:56.31WormydroidThen we went to the pub and met the transhumanist
09:57.13HachimanSounds like the beginning to a sci-fi story
09:57.20HachimanWith comedic elements
09:57.39WormydroidYes, like one of the Three Cornetto films
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11:11.50HachimanWormydroid: http://irskaad.deviantart.com/journal/Learn-Something-Sporewiki-History-Channel-FTW-668650003 Case of Irsk thinking History Channel represents actual science and history #256
11:12.13Wormydroidreads ot
11:12.41WormydroidYeah more like pseudohistory abd cryptozoology channel
11:13.16HachimanI also left what I believe to be a nice comment that isn't too petty or personal at all
11:13.21WormydroidThat being said I still like to learn about Bigfoot
11:13.55WormydroidAh shit, the bus wifi blocks DA
11:14.12WormydroidWill read it later
11:17.20WormydroidGhelae Emergence without forces, just entropy https://www.quantamagazine.org/20170308-digital-alchemist-sharon-glotzer-interview-emergence/
11:19.39Ghelaereads it
11:20.11WormydroidNice example of when ordered structures give more options to a system for arranging itself
11:20.37GhelaeIt's not quite without interactions: "the particles are perfectly hard", to quote the article.
11:21.47WormydroidYes, they seem to collide at least
11:24.00GhelaeHachiman: On top of that, AFAIK most SporeWikiverse nations *do* use artificial soldiers and drones ("robots", as he simplistically assumes they must be); it's just that for the narrative and space-magic reasons you mention, stories necessarily focus on other characters.
11:24.15ImpyDroidHachiman: It still sounds a bit petty hur
11:24.28ImpyDroidBut I agree with most of your points
11:24.59GhelaeWe'll have to post those comments again when he comes back.
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11:25.17GhelaeHello.
11:25.40ImpyDroidHeu
11:25.40Liquid_InkHey
11:25.43ImpyDroidHi
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11:26.11GhelaeHachiman: On top of that, AFAIK most SporeWikiverse nations *do* use artificial soldiers and drones ("robots", as he simplistically assumes they must be); it's just that for the narrative and space-magic reasons you mention, stories necessarily focus on other characters.
11:26.29HachimanAh so you read it as well then
11:26.34GhelaeYes.
11:26.37ImpyDroidLiquid_Ink: https://pics.onsizzle.com/since-when-is-this-more-attractive-than-this-end-the-12461785.png
11:27.14ImpyDroidHachiman: Nah the comment is nice, maybe a little bit pretentious but that is just how you normally write so it was not your intention as I understand
11:27.29HachimanWas something said before I disconnected?
11:27.34HachimanCus if it was, I missed it
11:27.48ImpyDroidI said roughly the same thing
11:27.53Liquid_InkImpy: lol
11:28.12Liquid_InkWhat's this conversation I walked halfway in on?
11:28.20HachimanAlso it's fine to call my comment pretentious when it's compared to what the dumbass wrote hur
11:28.38GhelaeWhat we said before you disconnected was what we reposted when you returned.
11:28.44HachimanRighto
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11:30.05Wormydroid_Could someone link me the Da post again?
11:30.11HachimanWormydroid: http://irskaad.deviantart.com/journal/Learn-Something-Sporewiki-History-Channel-FTW-668650003
11:30.21Wormydroid_Cheers
11:30.37ImpyDroidHe posted me the same thing
11:30.51ImpyDroidYesterday I think
11:31.04Wormydroid_Fuck sake even my 3G wants me to login
11:31.19Wormydroid_Because of all the porn on DA
11:31.22ImpyDroidWell, that being said, our battles are of course terribly unrealistic, but we embrace it
11:31.32Wormydroid_But fuck the nanny state
11:34.08Wormydroid_I suspect my Mama's network will be adult blocked as well
11:35.16HachimanI could just put it in a pastie
11:35.37Wormydroid_Yes please
11:36.30Wormydroid_I just hate it when dogooders get theur talons in
11:36.47Wormydroid_To my life
11:38.17Wormydroid_Test
11:38.49Liquid_InkFalied
11:39.34HachimanWormydroid_: https://www.pastiebin.com/58c684e5bd2d9
11:39.44Wormydroid_Thanks
11:39.55HachimanI also put my comment in there
11:41.14ImpyDroidHachiman: Now that I saw the end of it all
11:41.26ImpyDroid...I'd rather say it would be better to ignore him
11:41.35ImpyDroidRemoving the comment is better
11:41.39HachimanNah
11:42.03Liquid_InkThe comment is awfully savage, but it's not technically wrong.
11:42.09HachimanIt's my choice to make him feel like shit for being a stupid retard who can't get over his own pettyness
11:43.30Wormydroid_That's a vicious burn to sporewikiverse warfare bt refuting it with a history doc program
11:44.12ImpyDroidYes but you are just feeding him
11:44.26ImpyDroidHe will only write more because now he feels motivated
11:45.10Liquid_InkYeah, I'm actually going to agree with Impy here.
11:45.23HachimanEh, whatever
11:45.52HachimanThis is the same guy who hates trees like they killed his dog or something
11:46.18Liquid_InkWait, what?
11:46.20HachimanWormydroid_: Unless it's pants-on-head retarded, storytelling comes before absolutely accurate depictions of warfare and science imo
11:46.29HachimanLiquid_Ink: You didn't know that?
11:46.33ImpyDroidJust saying
11:46.37Liquid_InkI missed this.
11:46.38HachimanIrsk vehemently hates trees and nature
11:46.40ImpyDroidIgnoring him would feel better
11:46.46HachimanAs in, on a deeply personal level
11:46.56ImpyDroidBah whatever
11:47.12Liquid_InkDid Impy just flounce?
11:48.23Liquid_InkHe hates trees and nature? Is Irsk some sort of Captain Planet villain?
11:48.37HachimanYes
11:49.00HachimanHe believes it would be better if we got rid of parks and gardens and whatnot and trees be replaced with technological oxygen filters
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11:49.34HachimanAnd that the environment does not need to be conserved - in fact, it needs even more reduction for the human resource machine
11:49.57HachimanAnd I'm not even joking, I wish I was
11:50.47ImpyDroidDear Lord, why do you care so much about this
11:50.55HachimanBecause it's funny as fuck hur
11:50.57ImpyDroidHe is just a broken person
11:51.04ImpyDroidLeave him alone
11:51.33ImpyDroidEven if you want to hurt him, ignoring one is just as painful
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11:52.09ImpyDroidBesides we are all autistic idiots here, just somewhat more well adjusted than him
11:52.13HachimanI remember I heard it said from him that animals we want to conserve should be placed in captivity, that deforestation should be put to the max, and that his ideal image for the planet is for Earth to become something akin to a planet-sized industrial facility where everything is tip-top efficient
11:52.33ImpyDroidlel
11:52.39WormydroidI remember Irskaad beibg like this
11:52.58ImpyDroidI remember this
11:53.14Liquid_InkLet's make the Kraw Galaxy an Apalos nature preserve.
11:53.15WormydroidI think he was trolling us though, he doesn't like Green politics so went to the extra level
11:53.22HachimanHe wasn't trolling
11:53.48HachimanHe hated the idea of natural conservation so much he got into heated debates with the likes of Monet, you, and myself about it and even reflected in his fiction
11:54.04WormydroidI was a Greenie back then
11:54.20HachimanTo the point that he wrote a faction of aliens whose purpose was dedicated to eradicating nature across worlds and turning them into planet-sized industrial facilities
11:54.27ImpyDroidGuys may we please not talk about this
11:54.36ImpyDroidI suppose you could
11:55.03ImpyDroidHachiman: These ones were ironic though
11:55.09ImpyDroidI remember him explaining it to me
11:55.24HachimanIt reflected in his unironic fiction as well though
11:55.29HachimanWhy are you so sensitive about the wiki's punching bag hur
11:56.05ImpyDroidHe was my friend once, you know
11:56.09HachimanHe kinda earned this with how vile and ignorant he became towards everyone else
11:56.14ImpyDroidWe were very close
11:56.39ImpyDroidAlso, he might have been very, very stupid, but at least he hurt less people
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11:57.29Liquid_Ink_What did I miss? I got Irsk hating conservation and arguing with Monet last
11:57.51Hachiman[12:54] <Hachiman> To the point that he wrote a faction of aliens whose purpose was dedicated to eradicating nature across worlds and turning them into planet-sized industrial facilities
11:57.59ImpyDroidWe too were frankly too hostile towards him, with Monet being almost ridiculously aggressive
11:58.22ImpyDroidIt was not even about him being annoying, Mon actively tried to change his worldview, CONSTANTLY
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11:58.27HachimanI'm not saying Monet's in the clear but Irsk is very far from faultless
11:58.32ImpyDroidOf course
11:58.35ImpyDroidBut who here is?
11:58.39HachimanMe
11:58.44HachimanI am absolutely perfect
11:58.44ImpyDroidI hate you
11:58.48ImpyDroidI hate yoy
11:58.50ImpyDroid*you
11:59.14GhelaeHe had lots of discussions about nature with me, primarily in the form of RPs between the Dark Purger and Apalos, with Apalos continually pointing out how TDP's ideas were unworkable.
11:59.33Wormydroid_But yeah bombing from orbit is restricted to very few aims
11:59.42ImpyDroidSure he is far more stupid than most people here, but hardly much morally worse
11:59.55GhelaeAlthough, strangely, one of his ideas - pump waste heat away via portal to allow an ecumenopolis to work - is now canon.
12:00.12Wormydroid_And extremely wasteful unless you want to exterminate yoyr enemy with complete paranoia
12:00.27Gaseous_InkI think advocating ecocide constitutes "morally worse"
12:00.28HachimanThat was his idea?
12:00.34HachimanAye
12:00.50ImpyDroidTowards people
12:00.56ImpyDroidTowards fellow users
12:01.01ImpyDroidYou get what I am saying
12:01.24HachimanI mean, his posts on DA are filled with shots towards users at SW
12:01.32HachimanSo, your point is kinda moot there
12:01.42Wormydroid_I think Irsk wanted to make a point, but didn't think about the wider picture.  So much of the sporewikiverse is unrealistic anyway, but its all about good narrative
12:01.43ImpyDroidI am not saying he is good
12:01.54ImpyDroidMerely that he is as bad as most of us
12:02.03ImpyDroidMe, you and Monet at the very least
12:02.06ImpyDroidWormy is better
12:02.11ImpyDroidWormy is a good person
12:02.24ImpyDroidBut he is more like an exception hur
12:02.28HachimanI'll admit that there is stuff in my comment that is unnecessary but it's just kind of the way I am
12:02.32Wormydroid_I can be bad
12:02.35ImpyDroidSo that is the way he is
12:02.39Gaseous_InkGhelae is the soul of innocence.
12:02.41ImpyDroidWhat is the difference?
12:03.01Wormydroid_I laughed at domestic violence in Trainspotting 2 ladt night
12:03.09HachimanDifference is I'm not a dumb retard who fires shots and doesn't expect to get a response back
12:03.12Gaseous_InkYou were drunk
12:03.25ImpyDroidExactly, he is an idiot
12:03.44ImpyDroidDo not fucking stoop down to his level, I hate you but I know you are at the very least intelligent
12:03.54HachimanGaseous_Ink: Alcohol isn't a mind changer, it's a mind liberator
12:04.15Wormydroid_What's all thus anger "I hate you"etc
12:04.16Gaseous_InkHmm.
12:04.17HachimanWormy must have clearly found domestic violence funny beforehand if he was laughing at it while drunk :p
12:04.46Wormydroid_Irskaad is still causing disruption here it seems.  He has acrually achieved at jabbing us
12:04.58Gaseous_InkThat's just societal conditioning. He knows that domestic violence is wrong, or he wouldn't have offered as an example of his immorality.
12:05.05HachimanTrye
12:05.07HachimanTrue*
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12:05.41ImperiosActually, do whatever you want, disregard what I said
12:05.48ImperiosI am not the one to judge oo, I am a fucking idiot as well hur
12:05.54Imperios*too
12:06.07HachimanJust consider that when he jabs at SW, he jabs at you too
12:06.28Wormydroid_I found it to be a funny scene.  This father comes bwck from prison, tried to get his son to smuggle drugs, but his son wanted to study being a hotel manager and refysed.  His father saud "you are no son of mibe or Id be dead with a hole in my chest"
12:06.34HachimanHe was not discriminating; if he was, he very clearly would have made note of it
12:06.42ImperiosAs I said, he's an idiot
12:08.06ImperiosBut, yeah fair point
12:09.53Wormydroid_Actually I wasn't good or mice to Irskaad
12:10.35Wormydroid_I ended up criticising him every day in some manner or another
12:10.53HachimanNot like it was undeserved though
12:11.07HachimanHe usually came out with something stupid that deserved some criticism
12:11.14Wormydroid_Yeah, but I think his opinions unnerved me a great deal
12:11.27Wormydroid_As wrll as his stubborness
12:12.04Wormydroid_But I was probably a bit mean and ended up goading him
12:12.07HachimanWhen he posts on something public like the IRC, he is opening himself up to have his views criticized by others
12:12.54Wormydroid_It was not a nice time for sporewiki when he became somewhat outcast, not that helped itt
12:13.13Wormydroid_But I feel like it didn't have to go that way
12:14.41Wormydroid_This whole issue must be a deep scar
12:14.53HachimanI'd say that things happen for a reason, but I believe that philosophy is bullshit so
12:15.02Wormydroid_Because we're still feeling its effects
12:15.17HachimanStill feeling its effects and laughing at them
12:15.30HachimanLike I said, this happened because of stuff he did
12:15.44Wormydroid_Philosophy ain't bullshit, but there is very little good philosophy
12:16.04HachimanSome of us aren't faultless in what happened, but it would not have happened if not for Irsk acting the way he did about the stuff he felt
12:16.37Wormydroid_Yes, and he played out this character
12:17.07Wormydroid_I remember doibg the same when I was in school
12:17.20ImperiosSpeaking of idiots, look at the comments to this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwUwGJrE4mI
12:17.33ImperiosThe song is about Jerusalem in a spiritual sense
12:17.48ImperiosThe comments are all /pol/acks whining about taking over the actual physical Jerusalem
12:17.48Wormydroid_I knew wveryone hated my guts, so I didn't ignore or try to improve my image.  I played the fool and fed off it
12:17.51HachimanDEUS VULT
12:17.58Imperios^ See another one
12:18.29ImperiosWilliam Blake wrote that England is in itself a second Jerusalem, and that its beauty must be preserved
12:18.42ImperiosThese guys just want to kill some Muslims
12:18.47HachimanWilliam Blake must have been high
12:19.07ImperiosHe was insane
12:19.20HachimanThat explains it
12:19.25ImperiosHe was literally confined in a mental asylum for half of his life
12:20.05Wormydroid_People have believed Jesus walked in England and the golden chalice or whatever its name is resides here, this perception has been since Saxon times
12:20.20ImperiosJesus the Brit
12:20.26HachimanAnd let's not forget Mormon Jesus
12:20.36HachimanTHERE IS A SON OF GOD AND HE WAS AMERICAN
12:20.45GhelaeWormydroid_: Did you just forget the name of the Holy Grail?
12:20.51Wormydroid_Yes
12:21.21Wormydroid_Some believe the Ark of the Covenant is hidden in England as well
12:22.05HachimanThere's actually a manga I read once about a fictional horse race across the United States funded by the American government as a cover-up to allow the fictional President of the time to search for the remains of Jesus Christ across US soil
12:22.14ImperiosWormydroid_: Ark actually filled with marmite
12:22.22Wormydroid_Tasty
12:22.50ImperiosMarmite tastes like thick soy sauce
12:23.11Wormydroid_Do you love it or do ypu hate it?
12:23.18HachimanWith the main protagonist being one contestant in this horse race who is an ex-jockey that lost the use of his legs after being shot in the spine, so when he hears about Jesus' corpse parts, he decides to look for them to undo the damage via miracle
12:23.24Gaseous_InkCertainly inferior to vegemite.
12:23.47Wormydroid_Vegemite is saltier but less delicious or unami
12:23.59ImperiosWormydroid_: I just... liked it
12:24.02ImperiosIt was not bad
12:24.15ImperiosWhat is the difference between marmite and vegimite?
12:24.20ImperiosOther than the country of origin
12:24.22Wormydroid_I like marmite in soup
12:24.57Wormydroid_Hachi that manga sounds really bizzare
12:25.14HachimanFunnily enough, it's called JoJo's Bizarre Adventure hur
12:25.31ImperiosAYAYAYAYAYAAAAAA
12:25.56ImperiosJesus Christ found buried in America, his first words after he wakes up:
12:26.06Imperios"About fucking time, I have so many things to complain about."
12:26.30HachimanThe main protagonist can shoot his nails as a special ability while the President has the ability to interact with other versions of himself in neighbouring timelines / universes
12:26.34Wormydroid_Vegemite is a ripoff imo
12:26.59Wormydroid_Ripoffs don't get in first place they don't deserve it
12:28.27HachimanOh and there's also a guy who can turn himself and other animals / people into dinosaurs
12:28.29Wormydroid_Hah
12:28.35Wormydroid_I win
12:30.18Wormydroid_Sounds like a soul walker
12:31.13HachimanA what now?
12:31.45Wormydroid_A person who can become or transfer their soul into animals
12:31.59HachimanAh
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12:32.15HachimanIt works more like kind of a zombie virus in function
12:32.19Liquid_InkHello
12:32.19Wormydroid_Wb
12:32.24HachimanExcept instead of a zombie, you become a dinosaur
12:32.50Wormydroid_That's all the more awesome
12:33.35HachimanThere's a cool scene where the guy turns his horse into some sort of dinosaur in order to get an advantage over the other racers and climb a cliff face
12:33.57HachimanAnd he also turns his horse's mites into small dinosaurs to attack the main character's horse
12:34.26Wormydroid_I'm strughling to fathom how this becomes a consistent storyline of horse racing, presidents and dinosaur plague carrying people searching for Jesus
12:34.56HachimanIt's... really bizarre when explained like that, but the plot is actually fairly consistent kinda
12:36.10Wormydroid_Its a but like my dreams
12:36.57ImperiosLiquid_Ink: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0SMMY1pbOU
12:37.46HachimanYou think that's strange? There are minor antagonists who can do stuff like turn anything - including solid objects and substances such as liquids and gases - into pinned bombs and make bloodhounds out of balloon dogs
12:38.16HachimanAnd also another guy who uses an ancient Native American running technique to rival the horses in the competition, with his special ability being that he can basically weaponize sound effects
12:38.40Wormydroid_Very strange
12:39.00HachimanJesus' corpse is the reason why all that happens by the way; his corpse parts carry magical abilities
12:39.07Wormydroid_Imperios My mother met East Germans who long for socialism to come back
12:39.20ImperiosThat's normal over the whole post-Soviet world
12:39.42ImperiosPoles, Czechs and Balts are the exception, they mostly detest it
12:39.52Wormydroid_Okay now it makes s slightly more sense
12:40.16ImperiosWait
12:40.16Wormydroid_To Hachi
12:40.18ImperiosJesus's corpse
12:40.19ImperiosWait what
12:40.21ImperiosWhat the
12:40.26ImperiosHow
12:40.30HachimanIn the manga, Mormon Jesus is canon
12:40.43Liquid_InkProper, Karl Marx, socialism, or the Soviet pseudo-fascistic variation?
12:41.23HachimanHe came over to the US after rising back from death, interacted with the ancient native Americans, lived among them and died; after being buried, an earthquake happened which divided his body and caused it to be separated across the US
12:41.24Wormydroid_Whatever East Germany had
12:42.07Wormydroid_Liquid I thought Marx was the origin of socialism thus is the proper one
12:42.15HachimanThe President plans to get all of his surviving parts and bring them together in order benefit the US via using Jesus' miraculous abilities for the good of America
12:42.19Liquid_InkThat's what I said
12:42.25Wormydroid_Right
12:42.34Liquid_Ink"Proper, Karl Marx, socialism..."
12:42.44Wormydroid_The commas threw me
12:43.02Liquid_InkYeah, it wasn't a well structured sentence
12:44.35HachimanImperios: There's also an Italian guy who uses a pair of perfectly round steel balls to generate energy in order to heal / hurt people through manipulating their muscles and organs after fucking throwing them
12:48.28ImperiosWormydroid_: I think Ink believes that the Soviet Union and countries which imitated them perverted socialism, making it more authoritarian
12:48.39ImperiosWhich makes sense, Marx was not as authoritarian after all
12:50.37Liquid_InkIf a man calls himself a pacifist, then beats the shit out of someone, is this a reflection on pacifism or is the man a liar?
12:50.55HachimanHm
12:51.03Liquid_InkI do not recognise Stalin as a socialist, but a fascist jumping up and down calling himself a socialist.
12:51.43HachimanYeah I don't recall finding Stalin a very convincing reflection of socialism
12:51.47Wormydroid_Stalinists beleived the authority if the state could revolutionise the prols
12:51.59Wormydroid_Or something like that
12:52.23Wormydroid_But if course it meant Stalin coukd postpone it indefinitely
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12:53.32Liquid_InkHello
12:53.38Wormydroid_Because the prols were too incapable of causing revolution themselves
12:53.53Wormydroid_Hi
12:54.10OluapPlayerHi
12:54.26GhelaeHi
12:55.12HachimanYou stumbled onto political chat
12:55.39OluapPlayerSo I stumbled into the sporewiki irc
12:56.13Hachimanolol
12:57.01ImperiosWormydroid_: Stalin was the one who gradually shifted the Soviet Union into a less international state, and more into a nation-state
12:57.39Liquid_InkI'm heading to bed now
12:57.42Liquid_InkGoodnight
12:57.43ImperiosPolitics-wise, he believed that strengthening the power of the state was the only way towards communism
12:57.45ImperiosSomething like
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12:58.54ImperiosThe idea was something like "the state grows extremely strong and then reaches some sort of pinnacle where it collapses as it is no longer needed"
12:59.19ImperiosOverall, Stalin was a pragmatist, he did not take ideology as seriously other than an instrument of power
13:02.01Wormydroid_Do you think it would have possible for Maoist China and Stalinist Soviet union to have merged into a pan eurasian state?
13:02.37ImperiosNah, too proud to coexist
13:02.52ImperiosMaybe if pushed to the brink and weakened, they could band together, like France and Germany did
13:03.18Wormydroid_Yeah
13:03.27Hachimanhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bocce_volo >Italians throw steel balls at each other as a game
13:03.39HachimanWhat the fuck, I thought that was just a thing in that manga I mentioned
13:04.27ImperiosBALLS OF STEEL
13:05.48HachimanSo yeah, one character in that Jesus manga uses a weaponized variant of Italian Boules as his primary means of combat
13:06.03OluapPlayerbollocks
13:06.05HachimanHe also spins the balls as he throws them to generate energy through gyration / spin
13:07.42HachimanImperios: https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/17265008_434233946916386_6685173377273876561_n.png?oh=c2cbd358bba40a8d870f43a2c0d12f1d&oe=59282790
13:08.00ImperiosHachiman: Mace Windu is gay
13:08.01Imperioscanon now
13:13.51Wormydroid_Hachiman he replied to you
13:13.58HachimanSo he has
13:14.04Wormydroid_Fiessty one
13:14.04HachimanI'm taking time to compose a response
13:14.57HachimanI'm not interested in an argument, but two things; 1) addressing his point about 'robots' and 2) dropping a fucking siiick roast
13:15.10Wormydroid_It turns out I can access deviant art from my relatives network provider, so I might add a comment
13:16.25HachimanI am curious that he holds Oluap responsible for his MOBA addiction
13:16.34HachimanAnd basically the stuff that made him waste an amount of his life away
13:18.22OluapPlayerI'm not to blame if you have no control over your actions
13:19.21HachimanApparently I once told a furry to burn herself
13:19.25HachimanWouldn't be surprised if I did tbh
13:19.34HachimanAnd I'd probably not feel bad about it
13:21.38OluapPlayervery good and mature u sure showed her friendo
13:22.47GhelaeI remember that incident. It was solely Catface, with Imp peer-pressured into giving him support.
13:24.06HachimanWait that was an incident here
13:24.28HachimanDid I actually say that or
13:24.53GhelaeYou weren't involved.
13:25.33GhelaeIt seems Irsk used the word "you" to refer to our community in general, rather than you personally.
13:25.38HachimanRight
13:26.49GhelaeBasically, Catface wasn't being serious, but the new user understandably wasn't aware of this and thought he was genuinely telling her to self-immolate.
13:27.20HachimanAnd then she proceeded to self-immolate
13:27.45GhelaeFor all I know, she may well have done.
13:27.53OluapPlayerI think I recall this incident
13:27.53Wormydroid_She came back 2 years later and all was forgoven
13:28.15OluapPlayerI wouldn't remember specifics but people did act very creepily towards her
13:28.39Wormydroid_Actually I thought it was a bit mean
13:28.46OluapPlayerIt was quite mean
13:29.41Wormydroid_But bringing ut up now is beating a dead horse
13:29.51Wormydroid_We learned from it
13:30.05OluapPlayerYeah. You talked to her and solved it all iirc
13:30.17OluapPlayerHalf-inactive half-savior of the wiki
13:30.32Wormydroid_Yeah all is forgiven and it turns out she is a Xeelee fan
13:32.12Wormydroid_I'm goibg to have some lubch and then try to talk sense to Irsk
13:32.54OluapPlayerI don't think you're gonna get anything by giving Irsk attention. You're just gonna prod old wounds
13:33.21ImperiosI'm just going to ignore all this
13:34.53ImperiosWormydroid_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVWnRt9BarU I found a very interesting German version of God Save the Queen
13:35.14Imperios> [16:19:21] <Hachiman> Apparently I once told a furry to burn herself
13:35.16ImperiosWell that is true
13:35.28ImperiosHachiman: You're like Blade hur
13:35.43Hachimanhur
13:36.02ImperiosOr Bloodrayne or something
13:36.04HachimanI mean, I fucking love Blade so
13:36.55ImperiosThe whole situation with PukingRainbows was honestly quite sad and full of misunderstanding
13:37.06ImperiosShe drew Tyraz and Iovera too once, lemme find it
13:37.54ImperiosHachiman: https://www.weasyl.com/~pukingrainbow/submissions/94102/asdruabel-request-complete
13:37.56ImperiosThere
13:38.03ImperiosWait
13:38.08ImperiosTyraz towering over Iovera
13:38.23Hachimankek
13:38.24ImperiosIs there a ladder somewhere beneath the drawing
13:38.35OluapPlayerHey I remember that pic
13:38.37HachimanAlso, Weasyl; long time since I heard of that site
13:38.49ImperiosWormydroid_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukbVzMSgnsk Found another one, it's like an evil Nazi version of God Save the Queen
13:38.51OluapPlayerTyraz looks horrifying
13:39.04OluapPlayerHis face looks like it's filled with tumours hur
13:39.18ImperiosIt makes sense though
13:39.38HachimanThere's no real way to make a Descended dragon man look dashing or handsome
13:39.41OluapPlayerIovera - we CAN do the thing, but you'll have to wear this plastic bag over your head
13:40.34ImperiosALL the things that happened underneath the Ecclesial Palace
13:40.53OluapPlayerImperios: I just got reminded of one quest, I think you said you skipped the region so you may have missed
13:40.59ImperiosHm?
13:41.21OluapPlayerYou need to disguise yourself as a member of the Blackrock clan. And to do it, you make a disguise which's basically just a paper mask
13:41.28OluapPlayerThe orcs, trolls and ogres are all fooled
13:42.02OluapPlayerSo I was a dwarf wearing a paper mask of an orc, and all the orcs thought I was one of their own
13:42.16Imperiostopkek
13:43.41ImperiosAdmittedly many Old Horde orcs, especially Blackrock, were literally forcefully grown children
13:44.36ImperiosSo they can be forgiven for being pretty dim
13:44.51OluapPlayerNo excuse for the trolls though
13:45.48OluapPlayerThere was another quest where you're given a bat-like item and you need to beat some orcs up with it to discipline them
13:45.58OluapPlayerIt makes a super cartoony "bonk" noise every time you use it
13:46.59Imperios>bonk
13:47.16ImperiosScout orc hur
13:47.17OluapPlayertf2scoutetic
13:47.37OluapPlayerSome of the orcs start to realize you might not actually be an orc
13:47.41OluapPlayerSo you need to bonk them to death
13:48.48OluapPlayerIn another quest you need to assassinate 3 Blackrock members, one of them is an ogre you need to push into the magma. He constantly moves between two pools of magma just to check how hot they are
13:49.07OluapPlayerThe place is rather silly now that I think about it
13:50.50ImperiosI should check it next time I level a character
13:53.31Wormydroid_Imperios I'll listen to them on a bit
14:25.52TechnobliteratorIf it weren't for Zelda, I would call Horizon Zero Dawn Game of the Year right now
14:26.11TechnobliteratorHZD is an amazing game, and even though I love it, probably better than Mass Effect Andromeda will be
14:27.23OluapPlayerMass Effect Andromeda isn't gonna be anywhere near the level of Zelda and Horizon, with its janky animation and dumb-looking Shrek faces
14:28.01TechnobliteratorYeah, but the thing is
14:28.07ImperiosHachiman DrodoEmpire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqx9vyE2tkc Wow
14:28.14TechnobliteratorI was expecting Horizon Zero Dawn to have better gameplay but Mass Effect Andromeda to have better story
14:28.22TechnobliteratorNow, I'm thinking Horizon Zero Dawn has better both
14:28.35TechnobliteratorI really want to try Zelda though
14:28.45TechnobliteratorAlso, Imperios, daily Borealis War reminder :V
14:28.58ImperiosOh yeah
14:29.00OluapPlayerGOTY contenders this year will be Zelda, Horizon and perhaps Nier: Automata and Middle-earth Shadow of War
14:29.07Technobliteratormhm
14:29.15TechnobliteratorMiddle-earth Shadow of War intrigues me
14:29.21OluapPlayerThough I think Nier is a bit too niche
14:29.27TechnobliteratorI don't know if I'll get it because of how many games I have to get this year :|
14:29.31Technobliteratorbut it looks so neat
14:29.42OluapPlayerI definitely recommend you play the first game
14:29.46OluapPlayerMiddle-earth Shadow of Mordor
14:30.25OluapPlayerpretty good game that one
14:30.33TechnobliteratorI played it at my friend's house and really enjoyed it
14:30.44TechnobliteratorUntil recently, I was kind of sick of open world games, so I didn't get it
14:30.49Technobliteratorbut FFXV and HZD changed my mind
14:31.07OluapPlayerThis year seems to be the one where open world games are getting revitalized
14:31.16TechnobliteratorYup
14:31.33TechnobliteratorWell, FFXV was the first open world game in a while I'd enjoyed, but I'd say HZD is a better game
14:31.43Technobliteratorand BotW is probably better as well
14:32.44HachimanBotW's story is probably better than FFXV
14:32.52HachimanI... honestly didn't get Ardyn, really
14:32.59OluapPlayerMy personal GOTY will definitely be Shadow of War, I can actually play that hur
14:33.16TechnobliteratorFFXV's story was told very poorly
14:33.20Technobliteratorbut it was a good story
14:33.52TechnobliteratorI did really like Ardyn, probably the best villain in the series since Kefka
14:34.03Technobliteratorhowever, I can say so far that Horizon Zero Dawn's story is better
14:34.08HachimanI mean
14:34.15HachimanArdyn's a charismatic villain sure
14:34.23HachimanAnd his backstory is very interesting
14:34.26HachimanAs is his endgame
14:35.15HachimanBut aside from the initial execution of his final boss battle, which I really enjoyed, the part where him and Noctis face one another within the ring and it's not even really a battle just kinda sucked for me
14:35.25TechnobliteratorOh, right
14:35.27TechnobliteratorI agree with you there
14:35.38TechnobliteratorThis is another example of the game having a troubled development
14:35.44Technobliteratorand it's very apparent when you play it
14:36.05Technobliteratorwith how poorly told/rushed some parts of the story feel, as opposed to other parts which are just amazing
14:36.15TechnobliteratorHorizon Zero Dawn (and probably Zelda) are much more consistent
14:36.27HachimanLike, come on; FFXIII's final boss battle is far more epic and grand scale
14:36.43HachimanThat is, FFXIII-3
14:37.12TechnobliteratorMhm
14:37.22TechnobliteratorBut none come close to FFVI's final boss imo
14:37.32HachimanI think what FFXV has going for it mostly is how it handles its characters
14:37.44HachimanEach character is very memorable and very well-defined
14:37.54HachimanI even liked Noctis when I actually expected to hate him
14:38.19TechnobliteratorAbsolutely
14:38.27TechnobliteratorI expected to loathe him too
14:38.34Imperioshttps://2ch.hk/po/src/21238459/14888946014732.webm
14:41.37ImperiosHachiman: https://2ch.hk/po/src/21238459/14888948387350.webm
14:42.27HachimanOh God
14:42.59Technobliteratoralso, before I go back to practicals, reminder to Hachiman also about Borealis War
14:43.02Technobliterator:V
14:43.19HachimanReminder to Jo also about sandwich in the kitchen
14:43.25Technobliteratornever
14:43.52HachimanWhat do I even need to write hur
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14:44.22Wormy_Hachiman http://irskaad.deviantart.com/journal/Learn-Something-Sporewiki-History-Channel-FTW-668650003#comments
14:44.26Wormy_Made one
14:44.46Technobliterator2-3 paragraphs of your dudes reacting to the War Economy situation
14:44.53OluapPlayerHe has no dudes to react with
14:45.13Technobliteratorsaying either that it sucks and they want to get involved or that they've given up on helping it and hope it doesn't come to andromeda
14:45.14Technobliteratorand whatnot
14:45.17OluapPlayerHis only character in the war is Hachi
14:46.26Hachiman"What's an economy lol eep eep"
14:47.18HachimanBy the way Wormy_
14:47.24HachimanDid you get the chance to see the new Samurai Jack ep
14:47.30HachimanIt's REALLY good
14:47.53Wormy_I didn't, where is it being shown?
14:48.04TechnobliteratorI kind of figured even those who aren't fighting/haven't fought yet could give commentary
14:48.12Wormy_But I'm glad to hear it is not a disappointment
14:48.29TechnobliteratorThough, I'm probably not making it easy for people to understand what I want when I don't have a template for the section or something
14:48.50Technobliteratorlike just a few sentences and then [INSERT YOUR PARAGRAPHS HERE]
14:48.55HachimanThere was a YouTube vid up but it got blocked
14:49.05HachimanIt's almost exactly like the old show though
14:49.14TechnobliteratorI will add one when I get back
14:49.26HachimanSome moments really took me off guard with how disturbing and sudden they were but they weren't unnecessarily edgy
14:49.40HachimanAnd the show still has lighthearted elements too, which is great
14:50.23ImperiosHachiman Wormy_: https://2ch.hk/po/src/21238459/14889064366911.webm
14:50.53Wormy_bizzare
14:51.01Wormy_well, not really
14:51.31Hachimanolol
14:52.11Wormy_I'm glad Samurai Jack remains so far a masterful synthesis of emotional discord
14:52.38HachimanThe action is enhanced and the music is just as good as before
14:52.43HachimanAnd the fights are equally creative
14:54.00OluapPlayer[muffled FOOLISH SAMURAI in the distance]
14:55.10HachimanHm not sure where to find the ep
14:55.24HachimanThere are clips all over the place but not the full ep that isn't blocked
14:59.50ImperiosHachiman: https://2ch.hk/po/src/21238459/14890590389670.webm
14:59.55ImperiosOluapPlayer too
15:00.52Hachimanolol
15:00.59OluapPlayerCheeki Breeki's Amazing Adventure
15:04.00HachimanAlso Imp you still didn't answer my question from yesterday
15:06.25OluapPlayerhttps://arstechnica.com/science/2017/03/new-images-of-saturns-walnut-shaped-moon-dazzle-scientists/ Saturn's amazing popcorn moon
15:06.51ImperiosWhich one?
15:24.22Tek0516Wormy_: ...a beautiful morning coding, where I managed to get build errors from a file I deleted. >.>
15:24.46Wormy_Huh
15:25.52Tek0516Which I deleted because it was giving me build errors on a part of the code I commented out. >.>
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15:27.55JepardiHi
15:31.16Wormy_Code works in mysterious ways
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15:47.24dromWormy_: Why not get an armfull of floof while you can? https://i.imgur.com/Mvq1gif.jpg
15:52.07Tek0516Wormy_: I don't know why but with this thing the build doesn't detect resources until you've built them. So with the perfectly valid code I copied in I had to make a working version with none of the references to build it and actually use the references. >.>
15:57.40dromTek0516: #JustJavaThings?
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15:57.52Tek0516Nah, not Java
15:58.09Tek0516WPF/C# using Visual Studio
15:58.48Wormy_Sounds like a pain to build and test
15:58.54Tek0516...also the UI is throwing exceptions at design time bjt running fine at runtime.
15:59.02dino82_hi
15:59.19Wormy_Hm, I remember my programming lecturer saying something about this
15:59.20Tek0516Hi
15:59.57Wormy_As the reason he taught us Python
16:00.06Tek0516Well my usual approach of restarting Visual Studio after wierd things happen seemed to work.
16:00.28Wormy_Which is useless to me since I;m having to learn Java for Anylogic and R
16:00.54Tek0516Unfortunately this is a job so I don't get to pick my tools. :P
16:01.01Wormy_Right
16:01.26dromOh, ha
16:01.29Wormy_Are you still at uni?
16:02.51dromThings like this makes me wonder if I'll be using exclusively CMake and G++ (GCC compiler for C++) when I'm off working at somewhere
16:19.33Wormy_http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39254974
16:33.51Wormy_ooh I suddenley feel all light and shaky
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16:40.22NeonPandahi all
17:00.20Wormy_Tek0516  its great to do work lying on one's back
17:04.07Wormy_my uni has large beanie bags to sit on and freeb pizza
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17:14.17HachimanInternet went out earlier
17:14.20HachimanImperios: Is there anything about the setting of Koldenwelt which makes it stand out from other fantasy worlds in media, or do you feel it's mostly uninspired and whatnot
17:14.49ImperiosThe elemental energies perhaps, but overall no it lacks a real "schtick"
17:15.09ImperiosThat does not mean it is uninspired, but if it were a book it'd need to be somehow inspiring
17:16.21HachimanMind lending some demonstrations of "schticks" for other fantasy / sci-fi settings?
17:16.40Hachiman*from, rather
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17:21.30TreebeardHello
17:23.46HachimanHi
17:25.22dino82_hi
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17:33.25Xhoreeeeeeeeeeeeee
17:34.03Wormy_eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer
17:34.58dino82_:D
17:38.24XhoMan
17:38.29Xhointernet game is weak
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17:40.28Xhofucking wireless cunt
17:40.28XhoSo act like it
17:40.28XhoYeah ok you're connected
17:40.28XhoActually there is no internet game whatsoever
17:40.51XhoLiterally this is the only working window
17:40.52XhoHi
17:42.24HachimanHi
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17:45.09SpuWell that's what I get for shouting at the wifi
17:46.11SpuHachiman: Might do a Tale of Championing for Narrasturvaran
17:46.19HachimanNice
17:47.38Hachimanhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bocce_volo I wanna see a weaponised form of this in the Fantasy / Fictionverse
17:47.45SpuI had rought designs for new Heliomancy and Aetheromancy sigils as well
17:48.07SpuHachiman: "SUCK BRICK KID"
17:53.27Hachimanbrb dinner
17:58.03Wormy_Spu, Hachiman:  Suddenly https://www.ukmix.org/proxy.php?code=54d60aa15156ac849d261130396b57efff8453737d58f90309a3985f5aac2299&url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5iYmMuY28udWsvY3VsdC9pbG92ZS95ZWFycy8xOTkzL2dhbGxlcnkvMzQwL2Jsb2JieS5qcGc%3D
17:58.40SpuNAH M8
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18:01.12dromSpu: Meanwhile I yell at my scrap computer to not consume 10 hours worth of battery charge in one single sitting lasting one or two hours.
18:02.02Spulel
18:09.21SpuWormy just showed me the post Irsk made on DA
18:09.30SpuWhat exactly was the point
18:09.32NeonPandaso for once I am actually writing fiction
18:09.54NeonPandaat some point tonight I'll put up the first few paragraphs, more for opinions on the writing style than anything else
18:10.06Spuchecks if hell has frozen over
18:11.11Wormy_something to do with robot zergrush
18:11.56Spu"You will not censor me, I will continue to write my feelings in these journals. If you don't like it, block and unwatch. Do I look like I care?"
18:12.07SpuYou do realise if we all blocked and unwatched his venting would be worthless
18:12.21NeonPandaI mean it'd still make him feel good
18:12.39Wormy_It worked though
18:12.49Wormy_It does stir us none-the-less
18:13.49Spu"What I meant is that I was inexperient at my sporewiki days, and I now write much better, makes sense?"
18:13.56SpuTake a breath and read that again
18:14.54SpuCouldn't resist that one
18:15.23DrodoEmpiretest
18:19.24Spu"Already did. I don't see the problem."
18:25.10dino82_:d
18:29.18NeonPandaso it's not exactly going to be a part of the existing fantasy universe cos *insert blep,* but we'll see how the story goes
18:29.37SpuBasically I read that as 'fuck the fantasyverse lol'
18:29.43SpuFair enough, I hate everything
18:29.44NeonPandato an extent
18:30.01NeonPandaI don't hate it, it's just some of the underlying foundation doesn't gel with me that well
18:30.12Spulemme guess
18:30.13Spusand magic
18:30.15HachimanHe's not fond of how magic works
18:30.18Spuc
18:30.39NeonPandamagic, the fundamental powers, cosmology, a lot of it really
18:30.44SpuI think the insular lore between myself, Hachi, Oluap and Imperios needs to be broken down
18:30.49SpuIt's quite exclusive
18:30.52HachimanIn general he just doesn't like Koldenwelt as a setting so
18:30.55ImperiosNah
18:31.01HachimanIt's not that it's exclusive
18:31.14ImperiosKoldenwelt is good as it is, that there are few people there is good
18:31.14NeonPandathe magic is the part that narks me but hte rest of it also makes it somewhat difficult to do the kinds of things I like to do
18:31.15HachimanIt's that no one else actually bothers to have a fucking say with it or join in
18:31.30SpuNeonPanda: You should explain it
18:31.39HachimanInstead they just fucking keep to themselves and disregard the hard work everyone else is doing for the setting
18:31.50HachimanLike fucking Gorzill and his shit pit lot
18:31.55SpuThat's one way of seeing it I guess
18:32.22SpuI'd consider myself more on the periphery than before since I don't really do stories
18:32.26HachimanSorry I'm just in a foul mood
18:32.30SpuExcept the occasional ToC
18:32.31HachimanI'll brb
18:33.39NeonPandawas about to say, little rude considering you yourself admitted that there's some tings you'd like to change that are to embedded to change
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18:34.26HachimanIt's not you Panda and I wasn't referring to you
18:34.38ZF101Hello all.
18:35.21SpuTalking to me I think
18:35.22SpuHi
18:36.00HachimanNo
18:36.05HachimanI just said who I was referring to
18:36.20SpuNo I meant Panda was talking to me there
18:36.28SpuI think
18:36.33NeonPandano, I was talking to Hachi
18:36.45NeonPandawe had a long discussion a while back about the magic system when that came up
18:36.47Spuwhistles atonally whilst disappearing into thin air
18:36.51Spunv
18:36.53Spum
18:38.51SpuSorry I was thinking you were referring to that one time I was thinking about what I'd change in the Fantasyverse
18:39.04SpuTo be honest whatever it I was I don't remember
18:39.31HachimanNo I'm talking about the people who actively put their shit in the Fantasyverse but don't bother to pay attention to the actual rules or foundations of the setting
18:39.40HachimanLike Gorzill and his lot
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18:53.55ImperiosWhat did Gorzill do?
18:55.47ImperiosNeonPanda: What's with the magic system?
18:58.08SpuIt doesn't make much sense apparently
18:58.21SpuWhich I'm inclined to understand
18:59.41ImperiosYou could say that
19:00.20SpuI can't imagine changing it would work now though
19:00.31SpuI have my own magical system but it's not widely accepted
19:00.39SpuSo I just put it as the 'old way' of thinking
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19:01.38SpuImperios Hachiman: I mentioned in Skaurovirn lore that the Sovereignty/Empire of Man managed to compile knowledge of them into multiple codices
19:01.42NeonPandaSpu: which was basically the endpoint of Hachi and mine's discussion, that it's mostly a stylistic preference but either way at this point it's too late to change even if there is an objectively better way (which there isn't necessarily)
19:01.42SpuCan that still be canon
19:01.53ImperiosMagical schools?
19:02.19HachimanSpu: Don't see why not#
19:02.26DrodoEmpirehttp://irskaad.deviantart.com/journal/Learn-Something-Sporewiki-History-Channel-FTW-668650003#comments - posted
19:02.51DrodoEmpireI tried to break down his argument -really- in depth
19:03.53SpuDrodoEmpire: I still like my breakdown
19:04.59DrodoEmpire>:
19:05.35ImperiosGuys
19:05.39SpuBut yeah, military technology bitch
19:05.44ImperiosMust we all gang up on a person
19:05.47ImperiosIt's stupid
19:05.57SpuHachiman: When exactly did the Sovereignty of Dryada form
19:06.02ImperiosAt least one at a time
19:06.16HachimanDunno, can't remember precisely
19:06.34DrodoEmpireNo, I'm not participating in that squabble as it has nothing to do with me
19:06.42NeonPandaImperios: to be fair, if that one person is calling out a community, he's accepting that he's going to get a community response
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19:07.25SpuHachiman: Logically speaking I'd imagine it was after the downfall of the Adamantine Elves
19:07.26Spuwhenver that was
19:07.39HachimanPresumably around or during that time, yeah
19:08.03SpuThey went before the Orichalcum Elves right
19:08.05SpuOr after
19:08.12HachimanLet me heck
19:08.13Hachimancheck
19:08.19Spubamboozlin
19:09.10drom"<Imperios> What did Gorzill do?"
19:09.23dromYou caught my attention, young man
19:10.19dromSpu: https://i.imgur.com/Mvq1gif.jpg
19:10.22HachimanGorzill sets up fiction with his chums in the Fantasyverse but doesn't pay any attention to the rest of the Fantasyverse community or the rules set, which is why he somehow ended up writing a fiction that can field MUSKETS AND BAYONETS in a roughly Medieval setting
19:10.38Spufoox
19:10.45DrodoEmpireYeah I've tried giving him pointers, which he listened to
19:10.51DrodoEmpireAnd actually did a good job
19:10.57HachimanAnd in one thread he and some other user were using, one of them admitted to not knowing what the fucking Source was
19:11.00DrodoEmpireBut maybe I should've looked at other stuff
19:11.00SpuHachiman: check dammit
19:11.14HachimanYou know, THE MAGIC OF THE FUCKING WORLD YOUR FICTION IS SET UP IN RETARD
19:11.21HachimanSpu: Can't find
19:11.22SpuI still don't like calling it Source but I don't have a choice
19:11.25Spu0/10 awful
19:11.30HachimanThink it was around Adamantine Age, not sure, don't quote me
19:11.46SpuAlright I'll just say a couple of hundred years ago
19:11.57Hachimandats not rite th
19:11.59Hachimantho*
19:12.06SpuI mean for when these codices were written
19:12.10HachimanOh
19:12.13HachimanYeah that's fair
19:12.16dromI'm still seeing a degree of gunpowder in Fantasyverse though
19:12.28HachimanGunpowder weapons are different to FUCKING MUSKETS
19:12.34HachimanWORLD WAR ONE ERA MUSKETS
19:12.45SpuTo be fair ancient civilisations probably had machine guns lol
19:12.49Hachimannon
19:12.55SpuCobalt Kingdom maybe
19:13.07SpuOrichalcum Elves had...hm
19:13.10SpuLonginus there we go
19:13.20SpuActually not sure
19:13.35SpuVague references of dragonriding
19:15.08dromHmh... World of Warcraft does kind of have weaponry that are similar to machine guns
19:15.31HachimanNo
19:15.34HachimanThis isn't Warcraft
19:15.37HachimanThis is Koldenwelt
19:15.48HachimanWarcraft has fucking shitty spaceships and the like
19:16.16Spumoon king spaceship get rekt
19:16.25dromThat is why I say WoW lore sucks hur
19:16.39SpuNot really a spaceship as much as it was a colossal underground prison
19:16.42dromAnd I dared, Imperios. I dared.
19:17.16ImperiosJust ignore them
19:17.55dromNo
19:18.17dromI won't get over the fact they made the Gilnean Liberation a lackbuster
19:18.54DrodoEmpireHachiman: Muskets were hopelessly obsolete by the time of WWI <.<
19:19.02dromIt stays like tinnitus for me
19:19.09DrodoEmpireBut I get what you mean
19:19.26DrodoEmpireanything above Matchlock or wheellock muskets is too advanced really
19:20.53dromSpeaking of old weapons. The gatling guns from the 1800's fascinate me
19:21.00DrodoEmpireAhh yes
19:21.03DrodoEmpireThey were interesting
19:21.25DrodoEmpireGatlings saw some deployment but I think it was the Maxim Gun that really saw use
19:21.28NeonPandainferior to Puckle Gun
19:21.31DrodoEmpireolol
19:21.44DrodoEmpireAnd it came a bit later as the world's first actual machine gun
19:22.39HachimanWhat interests me is that one old shield that has a compartment to fit a second sword
19:22.57dromConsidering how they were operated. I can not help but amuse myself imagining them as big pepper mills.
19:23.10dromPoint at enemy, wind it up.
19:23.52HachimanDrodoEmpire: How do you feel about double-sided blade weapons?
19:24.10NeonPandaI'd probably say my favourite weapon, realistically, is the monk's spade
19:24.39DrodoEmpireHachiman: If you mean something like Darth Maul, then it sounds a bit impractical to me
19:24.45DrodoEmpireBut I'm sure it could be done
19:25.03HachimanWhat about those polearm models with blades either side?
19:25.37DrodoEmpireWell the thing with that is usually the smaller blade was a counterweight or something to stick into the ground so you didn't need to carry it constantly afaik
19:25.52DrodoEmpireCould be used as a weapon itself I'm sure
19:25.59DrodoEmpireBut not always its primary purpose
19:27.11NeonPandathat was the case with pikes; the spike on the end was for digging into the ground/finishing off downed foes rather than poking living combatants with
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19:28.05DrodoEmpireYeah makes sense
19:28.23NeonPandathe biggest problem with say a double ended glaive is maintaining edge alignment
19:28.33dromAnyway. Hachiman. About the WoD game. Currently I am hanging out with our mage, and our path brought us to the place where the mages meet. Hilarity ensued.
19:30.20HachimanOh boy
19:30.28HachimanYou're playing a werewolf right?
19:30.53dromYes
19:31.47dromTek0516 Ghelae Wormy_: https://i.imgur.com/gNPNSF4.jpg
19:32.26Tek0516O.O
19:33.07Wormy_lol
19:35.21Wormy_The most satisfying video ever?  https://imgur.com/gallery/NC17a
19:41.00ImperiosDrodoEmpire: Aren't polearms pretty heavy?
19:41.05ImperiosSo they can't be used for real fencing
19:42.08DrodoEmpireEr, no, they're fairly heavy sure but the idea they can't be used with any finesse is wrong
19:42.28HachimanWhat is a quarterstaff
19:42.32DrodoEmpireThere's loads of manuals afaik on how to use halberds and the like in hand-to-hand combar
19:42.38DrodoEmpire*combat
19:43.08DrodoEmpirePolearms were usually used as true weapons of war anyway, in formations
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19:44.04Monethello
19:44.47SpuHachiman: A quarter of a staff
19:44.49SpuHi
19:45.08SpuBasically Kilik's weapon
19:45.29SpuRoughly the same size
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19:48.51NeonPandatwo origins of the name quarterstaff: either because they were made from a log split into quarters, or because the proper holding of a quarterstaff involves the lever hand being one quarter the length up the staff
19:49.03dino82_Ok defeated Gul'Dan in Legion
19:49.07dino82_whats next?
19:49.11dino82_No more quests -_-
19:50.36NeonPandadino82_: rally the clans and have an epic dance-off
19:50.58dromdino82_: I've a long list of dungeons and instances to raid
19:50.58dino82_Lol :D
19:51.10dromBut unfortunately my desktop is ripperino.
19:51.11dino82_Me some as well but no more quests :D
19:51.17dino82_Perhaps I should travel to Pandaria and finish those :D
19:51.45NeonPandaone time in ArcheAge that actually happened; two faction navies worked together to clear Kraken, then had a dance-off over who got the tentacle trophy
19:54.05dino82_naice
19:59.40DrodoEmpireOh huh so apparently my response more or less changed Irsk's mind
19:59.42DrodoEmpireThat's cool
20:00.13NeonPandanice
20:00.40Wormy_good job, I'm glad the discussion took a positive spin
20:01.01NeonPandaoh btw, anyone want to be a colonist in my third attempt at a rimworld colony, after the second one got set on fire?
20:01.21DrodoEmpireHmm
20:01.23DrodoEmpireLink?
20:01.38NeonPandawhat exactly do you want me to link?
20:01.51DrodoEmpireThe colony and its page, if possible
20:01.59DrodoEmpireOh wait
20:01.59NeonPandarimworld is a computer game
20:02.01DrodoEmpirenvm
20:02.06DrodoEmpireYeah just remembered hur
20:03.44Spuhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Skaurovirn Redid these bastards
20:03.55Spupls quote
20:05.28DrodoEmpire"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" - Halifaxian
20:08.11Zillafire101Wait, Spu is really Xho?
20:08.17Spudoi
20:08.40Zillafire101I thought we had a new user for the longest time.
20:08.49XhoBAMBOOZLED
20:09.06dromReminds me of when I used two aliases
20:09.58dromAnd eventually they became known names in the same community, until I changed from one to the other right in front of other people
20:10.05dromsome people lost their minds
20:10.57DrodoEmpirehur
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20:17.50XhoHachiman: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Skaurovirn Redid this page
20:17.53Xhopls quote
20:18.17HachimanI'll read it over but I'll have to quote it a little later
20:25.24ImperiosHachiman: About quarterstaves, you sure they are polearms?
20:26.39ImperiosDoesn't a polearm have to have... something on the stick
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20:32.06Wormy_hi
20:32.42TreebeardHello
20:35.07DrodoEmpireI wouldn't think they're polearms, though eh
20:35.11XhoDrodoEmpire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NMGsRmZTFQ Skaurovirn cannibalism in a nutshell
20:35.54DrodoEmpireayy lmao
20:38.57NeonPandaby definition they're poles, not polearms, but realistically who cares so long as whack is appropriately applied
20:41.29DrodoEmpirehur
20:41.43Wormy_ugh, my optimisation lecturer fills every slide with graphs and equations and didn't record the lecture for me to watch again
20:42.04Wormy_or at least, hasn't uploaded it
20:42.36dromBig O notation?
20:44.12ZF_RTWI'm off to conquer Britannia. Toddles.
20:44.13Wormy_that kind of thing
20:45.24HachimanXho: Nice work on the Skaurovirn page, lotsa interestin shi on there
20:45.40HachimanTheir vulnerabilities for one
20:46.06HachimanAnd their history too
20:46.58Wormy_Also differential equations, multidimensional graphs, fitness landscapes, P4areto fronts, scheduling diagrams,
20:47.54Wormy_<PROTECTED>
20:48.54dromdifferential equations
20:48.56dromoh man
20:48.58dromscrew them
20:49.37Wormy_<PROTECTED>
20:49.46Wormy_* and so
20:50.38Wormy_Might as well be gobbledegook without the lecture recording to talk me through
20:50.59NeonPanda"Look, I know you're trying to make us sound a bit less threatening, a bit more appealing, but literally the friendliest spell in our vocabulary is called 'ENTROPY.'"
20:51.30NeonPandaa bit of self awareness always adds a bit of humour
20:52.55ImperiosXho: Could the Cobalt Kingdom and the early Skaurs interacdt?
20:52.56dino82_bye bye
20:53.27XhoImperios: What did you have in mind?
20:54.19ImperiosMaybe Skaurs attacking distant Ordnung citadels, and the Ordnung sending punitive expeditions in return
20:55.31XhoSkaurovirn - wtf is this
20:55.43XhoI dunno if the Skaurovirn would travel that far to attack someone
20:56.44ImperiosI imagine the Cobalt Kingdom spanned vast parts of the underground Koldenwelt at its height
20:56.57XhoHuh in that case more likely
20:59.14Imperioshttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Skaurovirn#Quotes There we go
21:00.07XhoSkaurovirn - tell that to ur kid we just spit roasted kek
21:01.18XhoI could imagine Skaurovirn taunting to be like "The greatest of humours come when the beloved dead, cast aside and sewn together, rise against their living" or something edgy like that
21:03.11ImperiosI now want to further develop the Ordnung
21:03.56HachimanSo, Skauro necromancers
21:04.05HachimanHow about that
21:04.11XhoNecromancy is probably comedy to the Skaurovirn
21:04.32HachimanTurns their art into weapons of war
21:04.36Xho"Oh look the corpse totem's come alive, let's scare the outsiders by making it move"
21:04.45Imperiosso more like trolling
21:05.05XhoThey could make behemoths of the same form as weapons
21:05.22XhoOn the page it's mentioned they constructed idols of their god with dragon parts
21:05.30XhoThat could come alive and act as a sentinel rather easily
21:05.55XhoHachiman: "cash me inside, howbodah"
21:06.19Hachimanhur
21:07.36XhoBut yeah trolling mainly
21:08.00XhoNothing is more humiliating than seeing the mutilated corpse of your loved one come back to life to drag you down with them
21:08.10XhoSkaurovirn are evil let's bear that in mind
21:08.21XhoAnnamasakkan is an outlier in that correlation
21:11.18XhoThat and they're also tied to a realm that is a dominion of the Void
21:11.42XhoNo one really knows that bar one or tow
21:11.43Xhotwo
21:13.56XhoI'd like to do the Skaurovirn Codex as a fiction
21:14.08XhoI could put in the World Annals page actually
21:14.22Xhohttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3AThe_World_Annals
21:20.38XhoImperios: Gimme a random human name
21:20.43Xhoany culture
21:20.54XhoApart from Dalmiric
21:21.10ImperiosJamal
21:21.32Imperiostakes a strip of KFC
21:21.58DrodoEmpireayy lmao
21:22.39Xhooooooh shit boi
21:22.49XhoJamal something
21:22.53XhoI mean full name
21:23.12ImperiosJamal Cottonpicker
21:23.15ImperiosOkay okay seriously now
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21:23.29ImperiosJamal Whitestone
21:24.47Xhorite
21:28.50Wormy_That's the second time I've seen the name "Jamal" today
21:29.03Wormy_sYnChRoNiCiTy
21:30.48DrodoEmpire<:O
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21:34.06dromgoddamn fucking benchmarking aaagh
21:35.25Wormy_👌 http://img12.deviantart.net/fb4d/i/2016/085/c/3/gandhi_goes_nuclear_by_daitomodachi_channel-d9wjyu5.jpg
21:35.43DrodoEmpireolololol
21:35.43Wormy_couldn't help myself post that despicable emoji
21:36.35Wormy_as in, you see it everywhere
21:37.37DrodoEmpireMahatma 🅱andhi
21:38.07XhoYou pick that from my DA by any chance
21:38.17Wormy_yes
21:38.21Xhoooooooooooooooo
21:38.24Wormy_I was stalkin it
21:49.08ImperiosTechnobliterator: The PM has to be a member of the Parliament, right?
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21:49.24TechnobliteratorYes
21:49.32TechnobliteratorSame with all of the cabinet
21:49.53MonetWe select our PMs by party.
21:50.04MonetAlways Party leaders, selected internally.
21:50.28Wormy_Hence Cameron's crude initiation ceremonies :P
21:50.51ImperiosThanks
21:51.03ImperiosCurrently doing my research for uni
21:52.03Wormy_For linguistics?
21:52.09ImperiosInteresting how the British system of government is *seemingly* pretty mundane but once you dig a little deeper it turns out to be somewhat unusual
21:52.15Wormy_It really does have wide scope
21:52.29ImperiosWormy_: Nah, we're just learning English history and culture as part of our English course
21:52.36Wormy_right
21:53.20TechnobliteratorIt is pretty mundane and stupid, indeed
21:53.31TechnobliteratorFor starters, there is no codified constitution
21:53.41MonetParliament's evolution is how England has been -relatively- revolution-free compared to the continent
21:53.45Wormy_I was about to say it was one of the greatest political institutions on Earth
21:53.47TechnobliteratorSecondly, first past the post, which makes it a total sham
21:53.49ImperiosTechnobliterator: Exactly, that ISN'T mundane
21:53.54ImperiosAnd actually weird
21:54.03TechnobliteratorThirdly, the House of Lords
21:54.10DrodoEmpireThere isn't, because compared to the continent England didn't have a billion revolutions that established one
21:54.21DrodoEmpireIt evolved naturally
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21:54.45TechnobliteratorWell, the latter two are more my opinion than anything
21:54.49Technobliteratorbut the first is definitely weird
21:54.55Wormy_I actually think the House of Lords are somewhat useful
21:55.05MonetI like the system of the house of Lords
21:55.06DrodoEmpireThat all said it might not be a -bad- idea to instate one, but I'm not sure.
21:55.18ImperiosThey can provide advice can't they?
21:55.22MonetUnelected sure, but that also means they can do their job without worrying abotu popular opinion.
21:55.36TechnobliteratorWhile it has made useful votes recently, I do not like any system that puts people into power when you can't remove them if they screw you over
21:55.40MonetImperios: Any bill the Commons proposes is scrutinised by the House of Lords.
21:55.47TechnobliteratorThat they can do their job without worrying about popular opinion is precisely my issue with the House of Lords
21:55.50Wormy_They have defeated the government over a number of silly decisions
21:56.01ImperiosDrodoEmpire: Yeah, kind of weird how Brits still have some laws dating back centuries
21:56.09DrodoEmpireI'd say take your lack of a codified constitution as a reminder that there has never been a revolution so absolute they saw it fit to instate one themselves
21:56.26DrodoEmpireIts perhaps a testament to how robust the English system and nation is, at some level
21:56.29ImperiosDrodoEmpire: Speaking of which
21:56.36DrodoEmpireYes?
21:56.42ImperiosDoes Canada have a constitution or are you weird like your father nation too?
21:56.48TechnobliteratorWell, iirc the Blairite Labour government was actually putting together a draft for a codified constitution and then didn't do it
21:56.50ImperiosA codified one I mean
21:56.54Technobliteratorpresumably they had other priorities
21:57.11Technobliterator(ie invading a country illegally for oil and selling all our infrastructure to China and Richard Branson)
21:57.11DrodoEmpireYes, we do, as we only became a nation in the mid 19th century and having a constitution was the cool thing
21:57.33ImperiosOurs sucks
21:57.43MonetTechnobliterator: Or it didn't seem practical
21:57.47TechnobliteratorI don't think there are many other countries that don't have a codified constitution, though I know New Zealand don't
21:58.11ImperiosIt was basically penned by Yeltsin to stay in power and confers great power to the president
21:58.15Wormy_My problem is not with our system, so much that we lack a good choice for competitive politics
21:58.28Wormy_I'm not sure other voting platforms would make it any better
21:58.29TechnobliteratorSaudi Arabia doesn't, but their "constitution" is some version of the quaran...
21:58.33TechnobliteratorWhich sounds...very typical
21:59.24MonetTechnobliterator: Look at this one way, the Lords can't make laws - that's the Commons' job. But they can include ones via amendments that the Commons are free t oapprove or discard
21:59.37Wormy_I have a friend who thinks votes should be weighted rather than counted, weighted based on general knowledge
21:59.38ImperiosThe Supreme Council of Russia literally revolted against Yeltsin, so Yeltsin essentially stripped them of most authority
21:59.57ImperiosTechnobliterator: It does have one, although it is not called a constitution but a "common law"
22:00.03Imperiosor "basic law"
22:00.08MonetI like the system because creating effective legislation is essentially a back-and-forth revision until both houses agree on the soundness of a bill.
22:00.19Wormy_So do I
22:00.37ImperiosThe first article of this basic law states that the Holy Quran is the country's constitution, but it still contains most of the stuff a constitution has
22:01.17TechnobliteratorI like that the Lords scrutinizes the Commons, but I don't like a system where you can't vote the Lords out if they just keep voting against the people
22:01.26ImperiosTechnobliterator: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Basic_Law_of_Saudi_Arabia There it is
22:01.28TechnobliteratorThat has never happened before, but I don't like the potential of it happening
22:01.53MonetWell if it's never happened before, what are the odds of it becoming a problem?
22:02.03XhoAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
22:02.19ImperiosIt could be interesting if a similar system was instituted in other countries, but without the aristocracy
22:03.33ImperiosSimply take important scientific, cultural and political figures and have them serve in the upper house for a fairly long period of time, but with ittle power other than advisorship
22:06.38MonetMy biggest gripe with the electoral system (and other than that I like it) is how thoughts of how to stay in position can overtake how to get stuff done.
22:07.26XhoWormy_ Hachiman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZazYFchLRI Music Level: Deatched from social dogma
22:07.31Xhodetached*
22:08.00ImperiosThe Cabinet is appointed by the PM, right?
22:08.06Xhoyes
22:08.35Wormy_Xho:  I'm feeling a kindalini awakening
22:08.38Wormy_kundalini
22:08.52XhoIannis Xenakis is very important to the history of electronic music
22:09.15MonetImperios: I think so.
22:09.20Xhohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iannis_Xenakis One of the first to apply mathematical structure to music
22:10.06Wormy_I noticed the graph and terms and it made me think of systems
22:10.26Wormy_"Xenakis pioneered the use of mathematical models in music such as applications of set theory, stochastic processes and game theory"
22:10.38Xhothis guy
22:10.42Wormy_Also I'm reading a paper on systems dynamics so this is good
22:10.52Wormy_Sounds like a polymath tbh
22:11.31XhoHe was
22:11.40XhoHe studied mathematics and was an architect
22:13.01Wormy_This guy understood how to synthesise the relationships of space and sound
22:13.31Wormy_to my limited knowledge of music I know that reverb and similar things are important in the electronic genre
22:13.53Xhoyup
22:14.24Wormy_There's an author I know that's a polymath in literary form, Douglas R Hoftstadter
22:14.45Wormy_He wrote https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del,_Escher,_Bach
22:15.13Wormy_Used music, mathematical art and logic to explain self-reference
22:16.02XhoI remember you linking that before
22:16.06XhoI was confused somewhat
22:16.51Wormy_Then he wrote an even weirder book that attempted to explain how fragments of soul that remain in other people's minds whenever they listen or read your works https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_a_Strange_Loop
22:17.35Wormy_But also depicted consciousness as a self-indulged illusion
22:19.25Wormy_Polymaths have a rare kind of brilliance
22:20.42Wormy_Though I disagree with much of Hoftstadter his ideas are infectious
22:26.09XhoInteresting
22:26.26XhoOn the topic of this kind of thought check out Karlheinz Stockhausen as well
22:26.35XhoVery unusual music
22:26.52XhoMore or less the forefather of electronic
22:29.44Wormy_I shall this can be music I can work to
22:33.18Wormy_I suppose you needed to be wqiote technical t manipulate early electronic instruments probably designed by one's self
22:33.27Wormy_quite
22:33.34XhoYeah they were basically massive consoles
22:38.53XhoNowadays you get more possibilities on a desktop addon
22:41.41XhoImperios: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArdOLSo6eTU
22:53.11ZF101Bye bye all.
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23:07.10XhoHi
23:07.23XhoImperios: Also I commented on the Cobalt Kingdom as the Skaurovirn
23:09.07TybusenHello
23:10.04ImperiosXho: Ordnung - u wot m8
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23:28.29ImperiosHeya
23:28.34OluapPlayerHi
23:28.50OluapPlayerImperios: https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/20562671/dungeon-preview-cathedral-of-eternal-night
23:29.26Imperios>. The dimwitted mo’arg lacks any respect for knowledge or learning
23:29.30ImperiosWeird
23:29.38ImperiosMo'arg were scientists in BC
23:29.58Imperios>The Aegis of Aggramar provides protection against the Legion’s attacks
23:30.02ImperiosOHGOD NOT AGAIN
23:30.28OluapPlayerThere are multiple types of mo'arg
23:30.31ImperiosTHESE MORTALS DARE NOT TAKE THE AEGIS FROM ME
23:30.32OluapPlayerI think felguard are mo'arg
23:30.37OluapPlayerhur
23:32.09OluapPlayerI do think it's weird that they made these little backpack-wearing demons instead of reusing the scientist mo'arg, they're like the same thing purpose-wise
23:32.33ImperiosYeah I find it weird too
23:32.43ImperiosThe new demons are cool though, I like demon inquisitors
23:32.51OluapPlayerWeeeeew yeyeye     bleh
23:32.59OluapPlayerYeah inquisitors are cool
23:33.01ImperiosAnd imp mothers
23:33.11ImperiosI still think they were created as a response to feminist criticism
23:33.19OluapPlayerhur
23:33.56Imperios"Hey guys you need more body diversity with female characters"
23:34.09Imperios"Okay ladies now we'll add you to the game, see for yourself"
23:34.20OluapPlayer>everyone looks like a supermodel        >make a REALLY FAT demon woman
23:34.35ImperiosI appreciate that not every female demon is sexy though
23:34.37ImperiosIt makes sense
23:34.42OluapPlayerYeah so do I
23:35.29OluapPlayerSpeaking of demons, I hope we get to fight Hakkar the Houndmaster when we get to Argus
23:35.33ImperiosWe have succubi who are succubi, shivarras and man'ari who are sexy but not as overt, we have creepy spider demonesses, and then the Tumblrinas
23:35.44ImperiosHunters fight him in their storyline
23:35.52OluapPlayerOh do they?
23:35.53ImperiosNot sure if they KILL him
23:35.57ImperiosBut they defeat him for sure
23:36.07OluapPlayerIf he doesn't die in the Nether, he can always come back
23:36.14ImperiosTrue
23:36.26OluapPlayerDid Jaraxxus appear in any class quests?
23:36.35ImperiosI don't think so
23:37.06OluapPlayer>kill Archimonde and Kil'jaeden in Argus, vanquishing them forever       >we have defeated the leaders of the Burning Le-             >YOU FACE JARAXXUS
23:37.07NeonPandaYOU FACE no I'm not going to do it
23:37.24XhoEREDAR LORD OF THE BURNING LEGION
23:37.29Xhoi did it for you
23:37.34ImperiosHoly shit even Xho knows it
23:37.46NeonPandaeveryone vaguely in tune with nerd culture knows it
23:37.55ImperiosJaraxxus leads the Legion remnants after Sargeras is defeated
23:38.01OluapPlayerWould be interesting if Prince Malchezaar showed up in Argus
23:38.09OluapPlayer>Eredar prince      >Eredar homeworld
23:38.10OluapPlayerwould fit
23:38.19NeonPandaAll dimensions, all realities are open to me! - NOT. THIS. PARTY.
23:38.23ImperiosIn all seriousness maybe Blizzard wants to conserve them for future expansions
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23:38.34ImperiosMalchezzar and Jaraxxus could lead Legion remnants
23:38.44ImperiosNeonPanda: Unlike to Jaraxxus
23:38.48ImperiosBECAUSE HE CAN KARAOKE
23:38.48OluapPlayerI mentioned Jaraxxus because he was summoned to the Broken Shore by Gul'dan
23:39.03ImperiosFunnily enough
23:39.04OluapPlayerSo he should theoretically be around
23:39.14ImperiosIn Hearthstone, Jaraxxus kills Gul'dan after he is summoned
23:39.27NeonPandaand Jaraxxus doesn't destroy the roof by throwing dread infernals at it
23:39.59OluapPlayerThey goofed up with Hakkar though, they made him look like a felguard instead of a giant flaming skelly
23:40.03ImperiosIf we are speaking about Hearthstone
23:40.13ImperiosPleeeeease bring the Jade Lotus into WoW
23:40.16ImperiosThey're fucking awesome
23:40.18ImperiosAnd fun to platy
23:40.19OluapPlayerwho dat
23:40.19Imperios*play
23:40.25ImperiosPandaren mafia from Hearthstone
23:40.33OluapPlayer>Pandaria mafia
23:40.34OluapPlayerjesus christ
23:41.05ImperiosThey're one of the three Gadzetzan mafia gangs
23:41.24ImperiosThere's the one led by an ogre who specialises in weapon sales
23:41.34ImperiosAnd the magical one led by a Zandalari troll
23:41.44ImperiosBut the Jade Lotus is the best
23:41.50OluapPlayermon
23:42.10ImperiosIt is led by a tiny pandaren girl who channels the ghost of an ancient mogu king to animate jade golems
23:42.21OluapPlayer>tiny pandaren girl
23:42.23Xho>tfw no blood oranges                       red bamboo however
23:42.25OluapPlayercourse u like it den
23:42.52XhoAnyway I need to go to sleep now
23:42.59ImperiosOh, and one of her minions is a fucking humanoid sha
23:43.09Imperioshttps://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/hearthstone.gamepedia.com/2/29/Shaku%2C_the_Collector_full.jpg?version=63916af77f422900dbdfd25a5754b546
23:43.40OluapPlayerone does not simply control a sha
23:43.40ImperiosOluapPlayer: https://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/hearthstone.gamepedia.com/6/64/Mean_Streets_of_Gadgetzan_Jade_Lotus_key_art.jpg?version=901ac3c8ec4586a2b3ae4aeeeb443fe1
23:43.48ImperiosThere they are
23:43.56OluapPlayerIs that a rabbit man
23:44.07ImperiosYes
23:44.12ImperiosI think that's a virmen
23:44.25OluapPlayerVery slim virmen then
23:44.49OluapPlayer[obligatory joke involving Hachi]
23:46.56ImperiosHearthstone's art can be very silly and awesome at the same time
23:47.31Imperioshttps://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/hearthstone.gamepedia.com/7/76/N%27Zoth%27s_First_Mate_full.jpg?version=5bbb7d27d8028f6d34c81d7c4dd04e2c Qiraji pirated
23:47.35Imperios*pirates
23:48.15OluapPlayersilly
23:48.15Imperioshttps://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/hearthstone.gamepedia.com/8/8d/Southsea_Squidface_full.jpg?version=1848b0c815efd859b8deb440d6db7d5a Faceless pirates
23:48.24OluapPlayervery silly
23:51.40Imperioshttps://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/hearthstone.gamepedia.com/e/e0/Ragnaros%2C_Lightlord_full.jpg?version=5ca248e01797186792bc642371b8954a This art is cool though
23:54.23OluapPlayerWould look better without the helm imo
23:59.06Wormy_DrodoEmpire http://imgur.com/gallery/ZdXXR

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