00:15.16 | Wormy_ | My answer http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:220345 |
00:28.10 | Wormy_ | Okay I think I might have slightly misread him |
00:29.28 | drom | I don't think the question was that good, for a starter |
00:32.00 | drom | DrodoEmpire: Perhaps they could, but they had to change their habits to be able to develop a sustainable society. Something something domestication of animals and herding them |
00:32.54 | DrodoEmpire | You're making a bad assumption there, I'm afraid |
00:32.54 | drom | Assuming these are fast-breeding prey |
00:33.16 | DrodoEmpire | Civilisation -isn't- a conscious or voluntary thing people made one day |
00:33.25 | Wormy_ | I don't think these sorts of debates are easy to settle. |
00:33.49 | DrodoEmpire | It isn't, no |
00:33.56 | DrodoEmpire | It mostly arose by accident as people satisified relatively short-term goals and made new issues for themselves in the process |
00:34.16 | drom | Eh, did I imply they had to change themselves over a day? |
00:34.45 | DrodoEmpire | No, but you still implied some form of conscious action to civil society from a hunting-gathering one |
00:34.56 | DrodoEmpire | Which, for the most part, didn't happen |
00:35.13 | Wormy_ | The carnivorous species would have to make some of beneficial short-terms changes that emerge over time into civilisation. |
00:35.27 | Wormy_ | *make some sort of |
00:35.31 | drom | Well, yes |
00:35.35 | DrodoEmpire | My argument is that a conventional, meat-eating predator species wouldn't form a civilisation, mostly because they can't do food production the same way omnivores/herbivores could |
00:36.24 | Wormy_ | I'm doubtful that is the case, as in, an insurmountable problem. Its also poorly defined, what sorts of animals are we talking about? |
00:36.24 | DrodoEmpire | They -could- domesticate a herding species, somehow, but... that's difficult and resource-intensive and still wouldn't lead to the large walled cities we think of when we picture civilisation |
00:36.31 | DrodoEmpire | Well true |
00:37.01 | DrodoEmpire | If there were a herd animal that was relatively-sedentary, had low food requirements, and bred rapidly and gave lots of meat, you could very well base a civilisation off that |
00:37.05 | DrodoEmpire | But that's a lot of ifs |
00:37.26 | Wormy_ | And it would have to make benefits short term, I guess |
00:38.19 | DrodoEmpire | "Short term" in this case being the course of a lifetime, yeah |
00:38.34 | Wormy_ | And that is of course, a massive trap |
00:38.42 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah, definitely |
00:39.22 | DrodoEmpire | Th switch to agriculture was a gradual, accidental one by humans where our dependence grew to the point where we were totally-sedentary. |
00:39.26 | DrodoEmpire | We fell into the trap |
00:39.51 | Wormy_ | For most of human history, changes like the discovery of fire were rare. People used rules of thumb and intuitions that worked well, which helped reinforce the process |
00:40.14 | drom | Regarding conscious action. I did not really mean *that* conscious. It was just a generalization. Their habits may, indirectly or involuntarily, change depending on the actions they take over a long stretched period. |
00:40.50 | Wormy_ | I guessed as much |
00:41.35 | drom | And yes, generalization is my favorite fallacy/tool |
00:41.40 | drom | (shot me, if you will) |
00:41.54 | Wormy_ | I'm reading a really interesting book atm, called Figments of Reality |
00:42.05 | drom | Oh? |
00:42.09 | Wormy_ | One idea they introduce is the idea of extelligence |
00:43.00 | Wormy_ | It is the cultural capital of human knowledge available in external media, in which minds are complicit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extelligence |
00:44.33 | DrodoEmpire | Huh |
00:45.47 | drom | Teaching and willingness to share knowledge between individuals was stated as a reason why Homo Sapiens were more successful than the Neanderthals |
00:46.16 | drom | In other words, Sapiens were more educated |
00:46.50 | Wormy_ | Intelligence only has so much access to extellligent-space at any one time, but the better the culture in providing knowledge, the more individual intelligence can do to explore it. And over time, extelligence evolves. They describe the gradual formation of civilisation in these relationships |
00:48.52 | Wormy_ | The baron might think the village of blacksmiths and farmers revolve around him; but the blacksmith might think the same but protection of the baron is worth it; they are both simplex, yet both form a feedback loop that is dependent on low and high levels of organisation |
00:49.35 | DrodoEmpire | Hm, right. |
00:49.54 | Wormy_ | They also discuss how cultures can be integrated, but its not fresh in my mind |
00:50.08 | drom | I don't know if it is a good example, but there was The Croods - a family of supposedly neanderthal people live in a stagnant culture, although they are visited by a sapiens. The family becomes more educated while their patriarch is resistant to the idea for a while. |
00:51.26 | Wormy_ | I've heard similar ideas. Neanderthals lived in smaller communities, so any advancements or ideas made in one wouldn't reach others effectively. While humans are thought to have traded over wide distances. In short, sapien humans had culture |
00:51.56 | Wormy_ | Or a multiplex of cultures |
00:52.11 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
00:52.26 | drom | Indeed |
00:52.53 | Wormy_ | Its possibl Neanderthals built better tools or even artwork, but since it never outlasted a individual the record is very poor |
00:53.01 | Wormy_ | *an |
00:53.05 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah |
00:53.33 | DrodoEmpire | Sapiens likely won the "war" against Neanderthals due to our ability to learn and share knowledge |
00:53.43 | DrodoEmpire | The likely fact that we were stronger in number probably helped too |
00:53.52 | drom | The family was pretty much isolated because of the dangers they knew and the fate of other families they knew. Using this knowledge to pick isolation. |
00:54.13 | drom | But now that is an other story. |
00:54.37 | Wormy_ | There's the dual inheritance theory that regards the evolution of the even the homo genus to be both genetic and cultural... I.e. the idea that our brains had to get bigger to better guess what others are thinking and communicating |
00:54.41 | DrodoEmpire | 300 Neanderthals using rigid tactics and weaponss would be no match for 600 Sapiens and their dynamic tactics and sophisticated weapons |
00:55.03 | drom | Hell. |
00:55.19 | drom | If the Neanderthals were indoctrinated by the Sapiens other than killed off |
00:55.30 | drom | I then wonder how our world would had looked like |
00:56.21 | DrodoEmpire | Well, there's a common theory that Sapiens -did- interbreed with Neanderthals |
00:56.35 | DrodoEmpire | So what you describe did happen, to an extent |
00:56.42 | DrodoEmpire | Neanderthals still died out though |
00:57.36 | drom | It was inevitable |
00:57.37 | Wormy_ | They also coexisted for thousands of years in some places, though its thought that Neanderthals favoured forest while humans favoured grasslands. It could have been that climate favoured us. |
00:57.58 | DrodoEmpire | Huh |
00:58.24 | Wormy_ | The Neanderthal bones are full of fractures by comparison |
00:58.29 | drom | Anyway. It has been nice discussin' and all, even sounding off like an uneducated idiot. I enjoyed it. |
00:58.35 | drom | I got to sleep now. |
00:58.46 | Wormy_ | They likely approached prey up close and fought it with large spears |
00:59.17 | Wormy_ | Sapiens had an amazing technology at the time |
00:59.28 | Wormy_ | To catch rabbits and shit |
01:00.15 | Wormy_ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spear-thrower |
01:00.41 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah atlatls are clever little things |
01:01.08 | DrodoEmpire | Honestly ancient peoples are far more intelligent and future-thinking (?) than people give them credit for |
01:01.12 | DrodoEmpire | They were fucking brilliant |
01:01.34 | Wormy_ | I agree, they had the same brains essentially as we, along with the same wants and desires to know |
01:01.54 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
01:02.33 | DrodoEmpire | It sounds really silly to say but its something so often forgotten when talking about history-- people in the past were just that, people |
01:02.44 | Wormy_ | But that makes the acquisition of knowledge increasingly frightening and important, because its hard |
01:29.01 | Wormy_ | gn |
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01:48.00 | DrodoEmpire | Hey |
01:49.53 | Charles_Murray | Hey |
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08:58.58 | Groxkiller98 | Heya. |
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10:10.33 | Groxkiller98 | Hey* |
10:10.34 | Wormy_ | Hi |
10:23.22 | Groxkiller98 | So damn quiet in here. >_> |
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10:47.56 | Groxkiller98 | I'm back. |
10:48.31 | Ghelae | ~give Groxkiller98 a cookie |
10:48.31 | infobot | ACTION gives Groxkiller98 a home-baked sugar cookie to cheer him up. |
10:49.05 | Groxkiller98 | :D |
10:49.08 | Groxkiller98 | Cookie! |
10:51.32 | Groxkiller98 | *Noms on the cookie.* |
10:53.37 | Groxkiller98 | Moar! |
11:05.52 | Groxkiller98 | *Steals the cookie jar. |
11:28.42 | Groxkiller98 | It's too quiet here... |
11:29.12 | Ghelae | ~give Groxkiller98 a pie |
11:29.12 | infobot | ACTION gives Groxkiller98 a home-baked apple pie |
11:29.20 | Groxkiller98 | >_> |
11:29.26 | Groxkiller98 | Apple pie? Ew. |
11:32.49 | Ghelae | ~kill Groxkiller98 |
11:32.49 | infobot | ACTION shoots a inverse fluxmeson gun at Groxkiller98 |
11:33.04 | Groxkiller98 | D: |
11:33.10 | Ghelae | Looks like infobot missed and hit Imp instead. |
11:33.14 | Groxkiller98 | ~murder Ghelae |
11:33.14 | infobot | ACTION shoots Ghelae in his sleep |
11:33.28 | Ghelae | Good thing I'm not asleep. |
11:33.41 | Groxkiller98 | XD |
11:33.48 | Groxkiller98 | ~stab Ghelae |
11:33.48 | infobot | ACTION runs at Ghelae with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
11:34.14 | Groxkiller98 | ~eat Ghelae |
11:34.14 | infobot | That's too disgusting. |
11:34.16 | Groxkiller98 | XD |
11:34.19 | Ghelae | This is all a rather excessive overreaction to getting an apple pie. |
11:34.24 | Groxkiller98 | Figures he'd stop there. |
11:34.33 | Groxkiller98 | You shot me! |
11:34.46 | Ghelae | And? You're still alive, aren't you? |
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11:34.56 | Groxkiller98 | Hey, Impy. |
11:35.03 | Groxkiller98 | And so are you! |
11:37.52 | Groxkiller98 | I still need help making creatures for my swarm. >_< |
11:38.03 | Groxkiller98 | I'm crap at making organic killing machines, it seems. |
11:40.59 | Ghelae | As in making them in Spore? |
11:41.21 | Groxkiller98 | Yep. |
11:41.26 | Groxkiller98 | Or just drawings, I suppose. |
11:41.54 | Groxkiller98 | I'm struggling with the Atacons and Tyrant specifically. |
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11:42.29 | Groxkiller98 | Hey, Tek. |
11:43.13 | Ghelae | Hello. |
11:43.16 | Ghelae | checks his creations |
11:44.15 | Ghelae | Hmm. Small alien creatures I can do, but I don't think organic killing machines would be my strong suit either. |
11:45.12 | Ghelae | http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/6/64/SilicateMonsterAttack.png/revision/latest?cb=20170123120856 kind of works, but it's not really organic. |
11:45.55 | Groxkiller98 | Have you seen my pictures recently? Of the scouting aliens? |
11:46.03 | Ghelae | Yes, I have. |
11:46.04 | Groxkiller98 | Those are from the Mbrothall Swarm. |
11:46.16 | Groxkiller98 | That's what I'm trying to keep to the theme of. |
11:47.20 | Ghelae | I know. Obviously I don't have any examples like that, though. |
11:47.34 | Groxkiller98 | I understand. |
11:49.09 | Ghelae | http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/a/a7/NeoTentekh.png/revision/latest?cb=20160826175119 was my most recent attempt at making a detailed monstrous horror in the Creature Creator. Scaling that level of detail up to something truly huge would probably seem insufficient. |
11:49.42 | Ghelae | I do have one thing that's a similar kind of insectoid: http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/d/d8/VenusianPic.png/revision/latest?cb=20140830093102 |
11:50.06 | Ghelae | But I don't think that's any better than the creatures you've already made. |
11:51.47 | Groxkiller98 | I see. |
11:52.59 | Groxkiller98 | I'm trying to base them of Tyranids. Do you know of the Exocrine? |
11:53.27 | Groxkiller98 | The tyranid, not the gland. >_> |
11:54.23 | Ghelae | No, but it's easy enough for me to Google. |
11:54.32 | Groxkiller98 | https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=exocrine+tyranid&espv=2&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwix6oWykKHSAhXhL8AKHaFeBXgQ_AUICCgB&biw=1920&bih=974#imgrc=5ebc100JNUdAfM: |
11:55.00 | Ghelae | Right. |
11:57.23 | Groxkiller98 | Basically, it's a big monster with a canon on it's back. :P |
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11:59.28 | Groxkiller98 | Hey. |
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15:01.19 | Imperios | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:220345#6 Ohgod what |
15:04.25 | OluapPlayer | Poor Wormy has to deal with that |
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15:33.45 | Imperios | NeonPanda: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11HVt8f0X-I WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK |
15:36.06 | NeonPanda | not what I'd have picked |
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15:36.59 | Jepardi | Hi |
15:37.41 | NeonPanda | I mean the diggers were trench warfare troops (hence the name), realistically if you wanted to copy world war Aussie infantry you've got one of three options: mounted infantry, a bonus if the infantry hasn't moved, or a bonus to moving through difficult terrain |
15:38.06 | NeonPanda | not the worst choice of leaders given that we don't have all too many national figureheads |
15:40.25 | NeonPanda | although there is one thing that's a bit narky, and that's that we don't actually build things on the pretty parts of our landmass |
15:41.03 | NeonPanda | like instead of a bonus on good-looking tiles it should be a bonus on tiles with low natural resources |
15:43.03 | NeonPanda | the outback station isn't bad, though the stealing territory from neighbours is odd |
15:43.41 | NeonPanda | tl;dr not the worst, but not that good either |
15:44.08 | NeonPanda | Jepardi: in case you're curious, Imperios linked the announcement video for Australia's inclusion in Civ VI |
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16:12.04 | Treebeard | Hello |
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16:33.32 | Hachiman | Bonsoir |
16:34.05 | Hachiman | Or something like tht |
16:34.07 | Hachiman | that* |
16:35.12 | Hachiman | Imperios: Oi you there |
16:35.19 | Imperios | Bonsoir |
16:35.22 | Imperios | Oui |
16:36.26 | Hachiman | Gimme an intimidating Far Eastern-sounding name for a demon residing in the Inland Seas |
16:37.02 | Imperios | Aku |
16:37.06 | Hachiman | Fucking |
16:37.12 | Imperios | Fu-Kin |
16:37.39 | Hachiman | I would've gone with Orochi after the Yamata no Orochi but it just doesn't have umph |
16:37.51 | Imperios | Okay seriously now, Akhu-Nanymi |
16:37.57 | Hachiman | >Akhu |
16:38.00 | Hachiman | less obvious pls |
16:38.20 | Imperios | Ahu-Nanymi |
16:38.59 | Hachiman | What's the deal behind the 'Nanymi' part? |
16:41.28 | Imperios | Haneunim |
16:41.54 | Imperios | It's a Korean term for the monotheistic God but it has an interesting etymology which I kind of like |
16:42.01 | Hachiman | Oh? |
16:42.19 | Imperios | It's a fusion of "haneul", or "heaven", and "-nim", which is basically like "-san" but in Korean |
16:42.46 | Imperios | So, whenever a Korean person says "god", they say "His Majesty Heaven" or something |
16:42.58 | Imperios | Or "Celestial lord" |
16:43.01 | Hachiman | Huh cool |
16:44.44 | Imperios | Though there's a "heaven" root in some European languages |
16:44.47 | Imperios | "Dieu" for example |
16:44.49 | Imperios | Or "Zeus" |
16:45.03 | Imperios | *in some European terms for gods |
16:47.52 | Hachiman | How is 'haneunim' pronounced? |
16:49.27 | Imperios | "eu" is a very weird vowel that sounds similar to an "u" |
16:50.17 | Imperios | something inbetween u and "ee" |
16:52.59 | Hachiman | brb |
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16:57.56 | Hachiman | Right, sorry about that, wanted to restart browser |
16:57.58 | dino82_ | hi |
16:58.02 | Hachiman | Hi |
16:58.22 | Hachiman | For some reason, links won't open in new tabs anymore even though I had that set as an automatic thing |
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17:02.55 | Imperios | OluapPlayer: Remember these salamanders you made? |
17:03.10 | OluapPlayer | What about them |
17:06.06 | Imperios | Are they only present in one place or are they widespread? |
17:06.13 | Imperios | I can't find any info about them on the wiki |
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17:10.24 | Treebeard | Hello |
17:10.57 | Xho | Hi |
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17:11.38 | Xho | Hi |
17:11.45 | Hachiman | Hi |
17:11.58 | Hachiman | Well, looks like I can't open new tabs automatically when I click links anymore |
17:12.00 | Hachiman | Kind of annoying |
17:12.11 | Xho | restart |
17:12.19 | Xho | ur life that is |
17:12.24 | Hachiman | ;-; |
17:13.01 | Hachiman | In other news, the car journey between the UK and the place I'm staying in France took around 15 hours |
17:13.11 | OluapPlayer | Imperios: There is no info |
17:13.12 | Xho | You're a baguette, Hachi |
17:13.26 | Hachiman | Left at 6PM British time and arrived at around 8AM French time |
17:13.29 | OluapPlayer | I removed them since they were unnecessary |
17:13.30 | Imperios | Xho: *YER A BAGUETTE, HACHI |
17:13.36 | Xho | aye |
17:13.36 | Imperios | Hachiman: Aren't they the same |
17:13.44 | Xho | well that's a long drive |
17:13.44 | Hachiman | No? |
17:14.05 | Hachiman | France is like an hour ahead of standard UK time |
17:16.39 | Hachiman | My stepdad ended up somehow getting lost in the outskirts of Paris from Calais which cost us like an hour or so |
17:17.04 | Imperios | OluapPlayer: The reason I am asking is I've just remembered that Lagosi subfaction that I came up with |
17:17.14 | Imperios | Yosae wasn't it? |
17:17.17 | Hachiman | And then when we hit rural France, he ended up driving into someone's courtyard and reversing into their wall |
17:17.20 | Hachiman | Yeah it was Yosae |
17:17.25 | Hachiman | Lagosi mainlanders |
17:17.42 | OluapPlayer | What do lagosi have to do with it |
17:17.53 | Xho | stew of course |
17:17.58 | Xho | dingbat |
17:18.07 | Imperios | So these were like fucking North Korean bunnies |
17:18.11 | Imperios | That was the original concept |
17:18.37 | Imperios | I thought of how to develop it and I kind of remembered that North Korea is centered around a HUGE volcano which is considered sacred |
17:18.57 | Hachiman | That would mean there's a volcano in the Western Forests |
17:18.58 | Imperios | So I thought, why not center Yosae around a similar volcano, and fire magic in general |
17:19.11 | Xho | Everwinter Highlands, I mean |
17:19.13 | Xho | mountains |
17:19.18 | Xho | gotta be volcanoes somewhere |
17:19.23 | Hachiman | Truw |
17:19.27 | Hachiman | True* |
17:19.34 | Hachiman | I fucking hate typing on a laptop |
17:19.52 | OluapPlayer | Right |
17:20.32 | OluapPlayer | If you want salamanders in the volcano you can have it |
17:20.47 | OluapPlayer | I removed them exactly because there was talk over how irrelevant they were. I suppose that fixes the issue |
17:21.50 | Imperios | I am thinking of their location. Maybe instead of mainland they could live in northern, more Vargash'd part of the Kame Isles |
17:22.17 | Hachiman | They wouldn't have access to tech then |
17:22.23 | Hachiman | Not tech beyond the other Lagosi, rather |
17:22.32 | Hachiman | I recall you mentioned them being more advanced |
17:22.33 | OluapPlayer | There is no Vargash'd part of the Kame Isles |
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17:24.31 | Imperios | Hm |
17:25.13 | Imperios | I had that idea that they would at some point be invaded by Void forces and invoke forbidden fire magic to drive them away and protect themselves |
17:25.34 | Imperios | ...Oh wait |
17:25.35 | Imperios | Fuck |
17:25.43 | Imperios | I already have a fiction with that kind of schick |
17:25.48 | Imperios | The Deonari |
17:25.54 | Xho | dingus |
17:26.06 | Hachiman | You should work on those |
17:26.46 | Imperios | I would but then there's the fact that they were supposed to be fantasy Radeons |
17:26.51 | Imperios | And now I have Alhassal which is already this |
17:27.20 | Hachiman | Could incorporate the Deonari as being even more Radeon than the Alhassans |
17:28.38 | Xho | literal mice |
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18:12.14 | Imperios | Xho: http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/resources/images/5222824.jpg?display=1&htype=0&type=responsive-gallery |
18:12.51 | Xho | egad |
18:13.24 | Imperios | So how are Scots with their new referendum thing |
18:17.12 | Xho | Still just shouting about it |
18:17.15 | Xho | Nothing material |
18:20.46 | Tek0516 | So same as Brexit then? |
18:21.16 | Imperios | But Brexit materialisede |
18:21.37 | Xho | Basically |
18:21.53 | Tek0516 | Well the vote happened but nothing of the actual Brexit has. |
18:22.47 | Tek0516 | Unless I missed the news the UK hasn't even activated the article for leaving the EU yet |
18:25.11 | Imperios | Actually yes has anything actually happened yet |
18:27.29 | Ghelae | There was a court ruling that the Prime Minister has to get parliamentary approval to trigger Article 50. |
18:27.57 | Ghelae | The government appealed. The government lost the appeal. So they put it to parliament. |
18:28.10 | Ghelae | IIRC it's been approved by the Commons and is now being debated by the Lords. |
18:29.05 | Imperios | You know our way of doing this is much faster |
18:29.13 | Tek0516 | Huh, more than I thought |
18:29.14 | Imperios | You know, with armies |
18:30.21 | Tek0516 | >.> |
18:31.56 | Ghelae | I suppose you're right. We could just nuke Europe's major cities and then we wouldn't be part of the EU by virtue of there no longer being an EU. |
18:32.51 | Ghelae | I'm not even sure the Prime Minister needs parliamentary approval for ordering a nuclear weapons launch. |
18:33.04 | Imperios | See, that's our way of doing things |
18:33.40 | OluapPlayer | edgy edgeson |
18:34.14 | Imperios | Edgy things are non-mainstream |
18:34.36 | Imperios | Solving problems with application of force is mainstream in Russia |
18:35.18 | OluapPlayer | wonderful thing to be proud of |
18:35.32 | Imperios | rush b or gulag |
18:37.16 | OluapPlayer | Imperios: Regardless. Checking the Death Knight mount quest, you're given the option of murdering all the red dragon whelps in the Ruby Sanctum for an achievement, which are apparently the last whelps in the world |
18:37.36 | OluapPlayer | Wonder if it'll be just novelty or if DKs are actually going to wipe out the red dragonflight |
18:38.45 | Imperios | Fucking DKs hur |
18:38.58 | Imperios | I BET THE RED WHELPS DID NOT EVEN PLAY VANILLA WOW |
18:39.51 | OluapPlayer | I hope it's just a novelty achievement |
18:40.03 | OluapPlayer | It'd be fucking stupid if the red dragons are killed off like that |
18:40.58 | Xho | OluapPlayer Hachiman Imperios: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Tales_of_Champions/New_Age#Ciqala:_Hidden_Knowledge Well I did it |
18:42.21 | Imperios | I do not like how Blizzard handles Death Knights and Forsaken |
18:43.19 | Imperios | They turned Illidan from a self-serving but compassionate coward into a fanatic with a noble goal |
18:43.36 | Imperios | then turned the fanatics with noble goals which we already had into kitten-eating maniacs |
18:44.34 | OluapPlayer | who knew zillum rolled undead |
18:44.54 | OluapPlayer | I never liked the Forsaken so I can't really comment |
18:47.14 | Imperios | I played a Forsaken during Cata so I still have a soft spot for them |
18:47.36 | Imperios | Prior to WotLK they were generally sympathetic, helping the blood elves and whatnot |
18:47.37 | Imperios | THEN CATA |
18:56.04 | OluapPlayer | also good section |
18:56.31 | Xho | danke |
19:19.46 | Hachiman | Ooh I wanna check this Tale |
19:30.51 | Hachiman | Xho_Xbox: Nice work on the Tale, was certainly an entertaining read and I like the fact that Ciqala both had a chance to show off and got her shit wrecked |
19:31.14 | Hachiman | Also nice to see Annamasakkan again |
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19:33.36 | Wormy_ | hi |
19:35.27 | Hachiman | Hi |
19:35.27 | Wormy_ | Lots of hype about the NASA announcements tomorrow: including but not limited to: a potentially habitable exoplanet discovered; a Europa lander mission; a manned orbit of the Moon. |
19:35.30 | Hachiman | Or rather, bonsoir |
19:35.42 | Hachiman | Not aliens, tho |
19:35.50 | Wormy_ | You in France now? |
19:36.03 | Hachiman | Yeah; I'm in Beaulieu-sur-Dordogne |
19:36.10 | Wormy_ | aliens are so last year |
19:36.14 | Imperios | I think that name sounds beautiful |
19:36.14 | Hachiman | After a 15 hour car ride from Hastings |
19:36.33 | Hachiman | My stepdad ended up getting lost and driving off a main road into the outskirts of Paris |
19:36.49 | Hachiman | While we were travelling out of Calais, somehow |
19:36.52 | Wormy_ | olol |
19:37.29 | Hachiman | Tell you what; the myth about French drivers being bad isn't actually a myth |
19:38.16 | Wormy_ | I can believe |
19:38.23 | Hachiman | We enter into Calais after getting out of the Channel Tunnel and almost got side-swiped by another car; meanwhile, another car is driving behind us without lights on |
19:38.37 | Hachiman | And then the amount of people who recklessly overtake |
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20:13.31 | NeonPanda | hi all |
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20:19.14 | dino82_ | hi |
20:30.20 | Xho_Xbox | goddammit tekken |
20:30.37 | Xho | One minute you're winning the next minute the game screws you over |
20:32.14 | Hachiman | hur |
20:32.22 | Hachiman | Who were you playing as / against? |
20:32.31 | Hachiman | also c compliments i left 4 tale |
20:32.39 | Xho | danke |
20:32.43 | Xho | I was playing Ghost Battle |
20:32.51 | Xho | I was using Yoshimitsu & Raven |
20:32.57 | Xho | I was doing well until certain matchups |
20:33.04 | Xho | Yoshimitsu seems to suck against Kuma/Panda |
20:35.49 | Xho | Ghost Battle gets tough when you start going into the dans and above |
20:37.15 | Hachiman | Aye |
20:37.40 | Hachiman | I remember playing something like that when I owned a PSP and played Tekken 5: Dark Resurrection or whatever it was called |
20:37.47 | Hachiman | Fucking fun game that but goddamn it got hard |
20:37.53 | Xho | Indeed |
20:38.01 | Xho | I did alright on Tekken 5, TTT2 seems to be harder |
20:38.12 | Xho | But it seems to be based on matchups rather than what rank |
20:38.32 | Xho | I've defeated some matchups on 3 or 4 ranks higher than me but lost to 2 ranks lower than me because of the matchup |
20:38.59 | Hachiman | What you should do is find the Kilik-iest character and just spam that shit all the way to the top |
20:39.16 | Xho | I'd like to but |
20:39.19 | Xho | Yoshimitsu |
20:39.23 | Xho | Who is hard to use generally |
20:39.41 | Xho | I use Raven for power attacks since he's a nice blend of fast and strong |
20:39.46 | Xho | Yoshimitsu isn't really either |
20:40.51 | Xho | Yoshimitsu is extremely situational as a character |
20:41.05 | Hachiman | Aye |
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20:42.27 | Wormy_ | Hi |
20:43.41 | Xho | Hi |
20:43.49 | Xho | I want to do a Yoshimitsu expy for the wiki now |
20:43.49 | Xho | gah |
20:46.22 | Hachiman | https://docs.google.com/document/d/18jHrwcw4O7_tbhmB3tA78rx8TYfkiqHoMuq9g_x2Dcs/edit?usp=sharing If anyone's interested, I noted down some stuff for a totally not!Aku expy |
20:46.29 | Hachiman | Just some ideas and rough lore and whatnot |
20:48.04 | Xho | I like it |
20:48.24 | Xho | Maybe if I were to make a Yoshimitsu expy he could be an Islander |
20:50.10 | Hachiman | Could be one of the Sword-Saints I mentioned on the page - I did mention to Wormy a while back that there could be Samurai-esque swordmasters who keep to the old, pre-industrial traditions |
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20:50.24 | Hachiman | Hi |
20:50.27 | OluapPlayer | Hachiman: Interesting |
20:50.27 | Xho | Hm seems like a good idea |
20:50.34 | Xho | return of ups |
20:51.08 | Xho | A thought did cross my mind that his blade is made from the destroyed fragments of one of the Heavenly Blades just a second ago |
20:51.24 | Hachiman | That'd be cool |
20:51.39 | OluapPlayer | Imperios: http://i.4cdn.org/vg/1487686121650.jpg I hadn't seen this before |
20:51.42 | OluapPlayer | new Magni |
20:52.06 | Hachiman | Either he could be, or a descendant of, one of the Sword-Saints who took up arms, since I imagine their defeat happened roughly maybe a century or so ago, dunno |
20:52.18 | Xho | Descendant is probably better |
20:52.30 | Xho | Or leave it ambiguous |
20:53.03 | Hachiman | Yeah; he probably takes up his ancestor's name anyway if he is a descendant |
20:53.07 | Hachiman | Just like canon Yoshimitsu hur |
20:54.41 | Hachiman | One 'Islander' character I had in mind would be a young Mannazian man who was raised and trained by one order of Swordmasters and has been sent on a possibly self-imposed quest to retrieve the surviving Heavenly Blade |
20:54.47 | Hachiman | Thus travels the mainland searching for it |
20:55.07 | Xho | rite |
20:55.10 | Xho | Sounds good |
20:55.21 | Xho | Trying to figure out a name for the character though |
20:55.27 | Xho | I could either mash up Japanese or Chinese |
20:55.35 | Imperios | OluapPlayer: Looks rocky |
20:55.54 | Imperios | I wonder what Il'gynoth's comment about it means |
20:56.00 | Hachiman | I mean, Oro-Chinym I got from Imp's Korean suggestions earlier; Islanders are basically a mish-mash of Japanese, Chinese, and Korean iirc |
20:56.09 | Hachiman | So, could be anything |
20:56.18 | OluapPlayer | Seems to imply Magni is serving the Old Gods instead of Azeroth |
20:56.24 | OluapPlayer | But I think he might be bluffing |
20:57.02 | Hachiman | Oh, Oro-Chinym is also partially inspired by the Yamata no Orochi in regards to the name |
20:57.19 | Xho | right |
20:57.49 | OluapPlayer | Imperios: http://i.4cdn.org/vg/1487692480846.png |
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21:02.11 | Monet | hello |
21:02.39 | OluapPlayer | Hi |
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21:04.08 | drom | I am feeling so fucking confident right now |
21:05.49 | Xho | oh my |
21:05.52 | Xho | And hi |
21:06.07 | drom | Monet Wormy_ Xho: check out dis http://i.imgur.com/rvJQCQK.png |
21:06.17 | Xho | Cool |
21:06.18 | Xho | What is it |
21:06.26 | drom | Finally something that is not shit after struggling at least one day drawing it |
21:06.45 | Xho | Some kind of Kuri stuff I guess |
21:06.48 | Monet | Liking the perspective |
21:06.49 | drom | Supposed to be two Technocracy frigates |
21:06.54 | drom | Yeah |
21:08.06 | Wormy_ | nice work |
21:09.53 | drom | All now I need to do is continue sketching and I might be able to turn it into a nice picture for my fiction |
21:13.13 | drom | Hm |
21:13.20 | drom | How do you even pronounce "building"? |
21:13.41 | drom | I hear both "bill-ding" and "buil-ding" |
21:13.49 | drom | Sometimes "bull-ding" |
21:19.05 | Xho | bill ding |
21:20.14 | drom | Obligatory https://i.redditmedia.com/i987mvYMhnlQYD5zpFrUtfgiQJ6PVL6jehv0rK_H5Ek.jpg?w=754&s=11d34f9716795ed35ce1a0e0d16eddb1 |
21:26.53 | Wormy_ | bill-ding |
21:27.44 | Wormy_ | "mount-tin" / "mount-ane" divides people tho |
21:27.54 | Wormy_ | I say "mount-tin" |
21:28.13 | Hachiman | I like it when people say 'mount-ane' with an accent but I do say 'mount-tin' |
21:28.32 | Hachiman | Also, Wormy_, that reminds me |
21:28.39 | Hachiman | You like surrealist, philosophical film, right? |
21:28.46 | Wormy_ | Yes |
21:29.12 | Hachiman | Have you watched any Jodorowsky films, like The Holy Mountain? |
21:29.44 | drom | http://icelandmag.visir.is/article/president-iceland-announces-he-would-ban-pineapple-a-pizza-topping |
21:30.00 | Wormy_ | Hm, I've heard of it. Instead I saw El Topo |
21:30.08 | Hachiman | El Topo is also good imo |
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21:32.20 | Imperios | OluapPlayer: THEESE MORTALS DARE NOT CHALLENGE MY CLAAAAIM TO THE AYYYJEEES |
21:32.38 | Tybusen | Hi |
21:32.43 | Imperios | Hi Tyb |
21:32.48 | OluapPlayer | GIB UP THE EEGIS OR DAI |
21:33.14 | Imperios | I like how Skovald speaks like he is brain damaged |
21:33.26 | OluapPlayer | God-King Special Needs |
21:33.36 | OluapPlayer | This is your brain on fel |
21:34.20 | Wormy_ | Hachiman: Another philosophical director I like is Darren Aronofsky, who made The Fountain and Pi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi_(film) |
21:34.34 | Hachiman | Oh, I still need to watch Pi in full |
21:34.38 | Hachiman | The Fountain was good |
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21:36.19 | Hachiman | Hi |
21:36.24 | DrodoEmpire | Hey |
21:36.29 | OluapPlayer | I feel they dropped the ball with Skovald at the end of his story line |
21:37.13 | OluapPlayer | You spend all of Stormheim stopping him from entering the Halls of Valor. When you go to the dungeon itself, he gets in without any trouble despite being filled with demonic energy and Odyn is very non-chalant about his presence |
21:38.16 | Imperios | I always assumed that he followed us as we killed the ombs |
21:38.19 | Imperios | *mobs |
21:38.21 | OluapPlayer | Instead of going "nah you can't have the aegis" he should be going "FUCK OFF FROM MY REALM YOU DOWNS-LOOKING FUCKER" |
21:38.46 | Imperios | We weakened Hymdall, he let us pass |
21:39.01 | Imperios | ten seconds later Skovald followed, smacked him in the face and ran after us |
21:39.16 | OluapPlayer | I guess that could've happened |
21:39.25 | OluapPlayer | dishonourabru as fuck tho |
21:39.31 | OluapPlayer | No wonder he dies |
21:39.43 | Imperios | Skovald brings dishonour to famiry |
21:39.52 | OluapPlayer | he had no VALAR |
21:39.56 | Wormy_ | drom: Skyrim belongs to the Nords! |
21:40.12 | drom | Yes |
21:40.41 | drom | Even if I was playing as a Khajiit, I helped the Nords retaking their land back |
21:40.41 | OluapPlayer | Speaking of Stormheim I found a little questline involving owlbears |
21:41.09 | Imperios | drom: #Skexit |
21:41.15 | OluapPlayer | They try to make a peace offering to the storm dragon world-boss with a little dancing ritual so he can leave them alone. Instead he just kills them all |
21:41.21 | OluapPlayer | Made me feel bad |
21:41.27 | Imperios | Farage the Stormborn |
21:41.37 | Imperios | No, wait |
21:41.49 | OluapPlayer | Nithogg |
21:41.54 | drom | I can't wait punching Nigel Farage in the face so bad |
21:41.56 | OluapPlayer | I think that's what his name is |
21:41.58 | Imperios | Ulfarage Nigelcloak |
21:42.16 | OluapPlayer | Oh I thought you were talking to me |
21:42.18 | Hachiman | pls non |
21:42.33 | drom | Hachiman: Nigel Farageberry |
21:42.36 | drom | "Breaking!" |
21:42.45 | Hachiman | I'd rather not talk about Farage here |
21:43.09 | drom | Too political? |
21:43.40 | Hachiman | Kinda yeah |
21:44.25 | drom | Fair enough |
21:45.11 | drom | At least it is not the One-We-Don't-Want-To-Talk-About-Until-2020 |
21:46.18 | Wormy_ | Heh in one of the toilets at uni there's an open forum scribbled on the wall with memes and support for the Orange Beast |
21:46.47 | Wormy_ | It gets new etries every day |
21:47.05 | Monet | Lol. |
21:47.27 | drom | Hachiman: https://i.redd.it/o3oymexqz6hy.jpg |
21:47.46 | Hachiman | hur |
21:48.58 | Imperios | I just jest hur |
21:49.05 | Imperios | Huh |
21:49.22 | Imperios | Oddly enough there are no avid Trump supporters here, LOTS of people are kind of "meh-ish" supporters |
21:49.27 | Monet | Freedo mto talk is freedom to mock what we hate. |
21:49.50 | Wormy_ | Hachiman: Gordon Ramsay on Twitter http://imgur.com/gallery/00k9I |
21:49.55 | drom | I guess you saw this? http://i.imgur.com/gndpY3c.gifv |
21:50.33 | OluapPlayer | Imperios: Since you've been mount-hunting recently, do you already have the Bronze Drake? |
21:50.36 | Monet | Imperios: Education has a liberal bias |
21:51.23 | Imperios | OluapPlayer: No |
21:51.44 | OluapPlayer | You could get it, it's like the easiest dungeon mount in the game to get |
21:51.52 | Imperios | Speaking of mount hunting I wanted a particular shoulder piece from Mogu'shan Vaults so I ran it |
21:51.59 | Imperios | I managed to get it in the first trie |
21:52.00 | Imperios | try |
21:52.05 | OluapPlayer | Oh nice |
21:52.09 | Monet | Let's lighten up: The Nebulas are coming http://www.theverge.com/2017/2/20/14672148/2016-nebula-award-nominations-science-fiction-fantasy-books |
21:52.33 | Imperios | It's for my panda |
21:52.41 | Imperios | To look like a proper shadow priest |
21:52.44 | Imperios | I am getting sha gear and al |
21:52.45 | OluapPlayer | Your Sha-themed panda |
21:53.06 | OluapPlayer | Sha of SLOW DOWN |
21:53.19 | Imperios | DEATH IS TO BE SAVOURED |
21:53.56 | OluapPlayer | But yeah you could easily solo heroic Culling of Strathoume with Mezzalt in like 10 or 15 minutes and get the Bronze Drake |
21:54.13 | OluapPlayer | This entire Arthas must be purged |
21:57.33 | Xho | Imperios Hachiman: Gimme a name for this Yoshimitsu Expy |
21:58.03 | Hachiman | Hondatsu |
21:58.14 | Hachiman | Or Hon-Datsu |
21:58.32 | Xho | Works |
21:59.52 | Imperios | Hon-Hon |
22:00.23 | Xho | http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/9/90/Hon-Datsu.png/revision/latest?cb=20170221220009 dere |
22:01.01 | Hachiman | Oh that's fucking cool |
22:01.38 | Hachiman | [screaming in Japanese intensifies] |
22:01.44 | Imperios | OluapPlayer: Oddly enough dragon mounts aren't my favourites |
22:01.53 | Imperios | I kind of like smaller mounts that are proportionate to my character more |
22:02.07 | OluapPlayer | Hm |
22:02.19 | OluapPlayer | I'm not sure what to suggest then |
22:02.26 | OluapPlayer | I mentioned the Bronze Drake because it's easy to get |
22:02.28 | Imperios | I want a dragonhawk but |
22:02.38 | Imperios | Out of the drakes, the easiest to get is the black one |
22:02.52 | Imperios | OluapPlayer: http://i.imgur.com/tVk0ZWO.jpg Boom my transmog |
22:03.03 | OluapPlayer | Well, getting the easy-to-get drakes would help you on your way to hit 100 mounts |
22:03.16 | OluapPlayer | dat bear evil |
22:04.16 | OluapPlayer | You should start by buying racial mounts if you haven't already |
22:04.45 | Imperios | I'll probably wait until Timewalking Burning Crusade and buy the Timewalking dragonhawk |
22:05.03 | OluapPlayer | I forgot that's a thing |
22:05.17 | OluapPlayer | I'd like dragonhawks more if their beaks weren't so large |
22:05.21 | OluapPlayer | It makes them look goofy to me |
22:06.31 | Imperios | BTW I realised something |
22:06.31 | OluapPlayer | https://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/wow.gamepedia.com/b/b0/Armored_Blue_Dragonhawk.jpg?version=a63f930956fb41919455eb94fec567f7 you get this by having 200 mounts |
22:06.36 | Imperios | You don't do transmog |
22:06.36 | OluapPlayer | But >farming 200 mounts |
22:06.47 | Xho | grindy af |
22:06.57 | OluapPlayer | I don't because it breaks whenever I get new gear |
22:06.58 | Wormy_ | https://twitter.com/GordonRamsay?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor |
22:07.05 | Wormy_ | Best Twitter |
22:07.18 | Imperios | Huh |
22:07.21 | Imperios | Never stopped me |
22:07.25 | OluapPlayer | Get a new helmet, the helm transmog is gone |
22:07.31 | OluapPlayer | So I gotta pay for it again |
22:07.43 | Imperios | I have like three transmog sets for Mezzalt |
22:08.01 | Imperios | The browish one with a giant hat, the white and red one with a hood and the armoured one with a headband |
22:08.09 | OluapPlayer | I think I'll give transmog another try when 7.2 hits, since they're gonna add a list of armor sets to the appearance screen |
22:08.25 | Xho | Hachiman: What kind of magic did the Sword Saints use |
22:08.39 | Xho | If this guy's a Yoshimitsu expy he's gonna be flailing around with weird magic |
22:09.07 | Hachiman | Well, give me a moment |
22:09.21 | drom | Xho: http://imgur.com/gallery/OXYLS |
22:10.00 | Xho | Drom: but y tho |
22:10.39 | OluapPlayer | Imperios: Speaking of mounts, I came across a guy riding this https://tinyurl.com/h2rsptn |
22:10.40 | OluapPlayer | Holy shit it looks so cool |
22:10.44 | OluapPlayer | Makes me wish I could PvP |
22:10.54 | Hachiman | The Heavenly Blades are blessed with light magic due to Eostraeya and draconic magic on part of the Lunsincth, which I imagine would be arcane or something, not sure |
22:10.55 | Hachiman | As for the Sword-Saints themselves, it probably varies between individuals |
22:11.53 | Hachiman | I imagine that arcane would probably suit Hon-Datsu given that it can be used for weird shit due to its versatility more than the other magic schools |
22:12.07 | Xho | Makes sense |
22:12.20 | Xho | Hon-Datsu - stab self actually magical stab self heh |
22:12.45 | Hachiman | kek |
22:13.17 | drom | Xho: In case when Vranntan bread are stale bricks |
22:14.50 | Xho | oh dear |
22:16.04 | Imperios | yeee |
22:16.47 | Xho | ame |
22:16.48 | Xho | n |
22:18.56 | drom | In loving memory of our komrade Imperios |
22:20.30 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/OXYLS |
22:21.25 | drom | Xho: http://i.imgur.com/kdDDQWV.jpg |
22:22.06 | drom | Ribs of a deer that has been shot before with an arrow. Depicted are ribs that had grown around an arrow shaft. |
22:29.01 | Wormy_ | Fascinating but awful. I disapprove of bow hunting unless your life depends on it. |
22:30.42 | drom | Xho: http://i.imgur.com/RwBlQV9.jpg Trying to get a kurinnurii drunk |
22:34.12 | Xho | I don't get it |
22:36.14 | drom | Kurinnurii can't get drunk, convential alcohol do not affect them as it does only pass through them like a punch through a ghost. |
22:37.36 | Xho | ah |
22:38.01 | Xho | Anyway I need to go to bed so |
22:41.48 | drom | Wormy_: http://imgur.com/gallery/V4orAzj |
22:43.23 | Wormy_ | cats are savage af |
22:44.20 | drom | Specially Norweigan Forest cats |
22:46.52 | drom | Wormy_: http://i.imgur.com/4QRBonG.png |
22:47.25 | Wormy_ | >Nirnroot |
22:48.35 | drom | http://i.imgur.com/i1GbOpO.png |
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