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| 00:23.15 | NeonPanda | Monet_2: so I discovered something GTA related |
| 00:23.22 | NeonPanda | turns out I haven't had a button for handbrake this whole time |
| 00:23.44 | Monet_2 | Problematic |
| 00:25.07 | NeonPanda | so my driving is going to get a lot better XD |
| 00:25.15 | Monet_2 | I might join you in a little bit. |
| 00:25.25 | Monet_2 | Got some bangers I can heat up. |
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| 00:35.43 | Tek0516 | still boredly experimenting with a spiral galaxy generator https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/f3BTuWAN/spiral%20galaxy%20stars.png |
| 00:37.31 | Monet_2 | Well it's starting to look roughly like a galaxy now |
| 00:39.40 | drom | Dem pixels |
| 00:40.54 | Tek0516 | I intend to lower the density a bit so it doesn't only look like white noise. :P Also some background "galactic dust" colour maybe. |
| 00:41.13 | drom | Tek0516: Gaussian noise on a procedurally generated alpha mask? |
| 00:42.15 | Tek0516 | I also want to tweak the arm algorithm a bit, make the gap between the arms less firm |
| 00:44.15 | Monet_2 | "A dramatic new trailer for Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War 3 [official site] is here, which means lots of Space Marines and Eldar wanking on about prophecies, some wandering world, the Spear of Khaine, lords, betrayal, and other gubbins until Orks roll up looking for âda pointy stikk.â Bless your murderous hearts, Orks" - RPS on DoW III's ne trailer |
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| 00:46.22 | Monet_2 | Bonsoir. |
| 00:46.52 | drom | bonjour |
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| 01:21.56 | Charles_Bot | Allez vous faire foutre |
| 01:23.47 | Monet_2 | Plarlais de petit Francais. |
| 01:23.53 | Monet_2 | (I'm rusty XD) |
| 01:36.44 | Wormy_ | Thunderf00t busts Plastic Roads https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sj_FZduqblo |
| 01:37.00 | Monet_2 | ...plastic? |
| 01:37.27 | Monet_2 | I think that's even worse than glass solar roadways. |
| 01:38.37 | Wormy_ | lol |
| 01:38.59 | Wormy_ | Just doesn't beat tarmac |
| 01:40.49 | Monet_2 | Okay, so they're going to press the plastic from millions of discarded coke cans and meat packaging into tiles that is waterproof and heat-proof. |
| 01:41.01 | Monet_2 | coke bottles* |
| 01:43.14 | Monet_2 | But yeah. The graphic they provide has issues as it appears to discard the gravel and stonework foundation roads have |
| 01:51.34 | Monet_2 | Okay, someone explain the benefit of road tiles being lightweight. |
| 01:51.49 | Wormy_ | thunderfoot shows parts of the road being replaced, and how it undermines the very idea of pipes channeling water away |
| 01:52.12 | Wormy_ | it also depicts water being released on the foundations |
| 01:53.13 | Monet_2 | Under the foundations would make sense. |
| 01:53.49 | Monet_2 | Actually funny Thunderfoot points out why a lightweight road tile is bad. |
| 01:54.10 | Monet_2 | You're driving along then as you cross between tiles BANG you kick up the tile behind you. |
| 01:55.57 | Monet_2 | Or the structure on the tile in front buckles and you kick its rear end upwards. |
| 01:56.03 | Monet_2 | its far end* |
| 02:00.47 | Monet_2 | As long as the bedrock is stable and as long as the foundation structure is waterproof, releasing water onto the foundations isn't too bad an idea. |
| 02:02.21 | Monet_2 | ALso have to say their arguments - sustainable, easy to repair, contribute to a circular economy all sounds like greenwashing to me. |
| 02:02.58 | Monet_2 | Maybe it does have these qualities. But I still call greenwashing. |
| 02:03.07 | Tek0516 | Definitely. |
| 02:05.15 | Wormy_ | asphalt has all those properties, it can be be completely recycled, easy to repair etc. |
| 02:05.43 | Wormy_ | What I meant is, the animation depicts fluids released right the next the foundation material under the road |
| 02:05.50 | Wormy_ | This is bad |
| 02:06.41 | Monet_2 | SOmeone in the comments brought up the prospect of these roadways in Australia. |
| 02:06.57 | Tek0516 | Also with the plastic tiles if any breaks you have to replace entire sections, while with asphalt a couple of workers can do small patches relatively quickly |
| 02:07.44 | Wormy_ | It'll contribute to subsidence and erosion of the earth underneath |
| 02:08.08 | Wormy_ | an example from my own county https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/df/SubsidedRoad.jpg |
| 02:08.13 | Monet_2 | Wormy_: Hard to tell as the anination was pretty basic. |
| 02:08.36 | Wormy_ | yeah, it could have just been crap and giving me a wrong impression |
| 02:08.55 | Monet_2 | The animation didn't look like there was much of a foundation, a layer of concrete tiles maybe? |
| 02:09.21 | Monet_2 | Or at worst they're proposing just planting the tiles on top of midsoil. |
| 02:09.25 | Tek0516 | Though I can't imagine it has some perfect draining either, at some point the ground gets saturated and the water just floods the inside of the road (or the dirt starts flowing in) |
| 02:09.28 | Monet_2 | filter soil* |
| 02:09.59 | Monet_2 | So great, along with the tiles potentially getting kicked up by cars, they're going to slide about when it rains! |
| 02:10.25 | Wormy_ | See that water channelling into the earth on the side? https://youtu.be/Sj_FZduqblo?t=2m46s |
| 02:10.56 | Wormy_ | it'll create subsidence |
| 02:11.23 | Monet_2 | Oh wait there is a layer of different material |
| 02:12.10 | Monet_2 | So it does have a foundation. |
| 02:12.53 | Monet_2 | But yes by the look of it their plan is to basically drain the runoff into the adjacent soil. |
| 02:15.17 | Wormy_ | potholer has a new video as well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQph_5eZsGs |
| 02:16.41 | Monet_2 | "Crabzilla sighted" this is why no one smart trusts you Daily Mail! |
| 02:21.01 | Wormy_ | amusing sometimes tho |
| 02:23.37 | Monet_2 | It can be funny. |
| 02:23.56 | Monet_2 | I mean news that a 50ft crab has been sighted does sound somewhat funny. |
| 02:24.29 | Monet_2 | Or that time they blamed a string of reporters losing their words on am experimental microwave "death ray" |
| 02:26.21 | Wormy_ | lol |
| 02:31.04 | Wormy_ | Sargon on PewDiePie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC5LyaCdpEI |
| 02:35.05 | DrodoEmpire | I saw that |
| 02:35.08 | DrodoEmpire | Fantastic video |
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| 02:38.33 | Monet_2 | goodnight |
| 02:40.09 | DrodoEmpire | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 02:40.32 | DrodoEmpire | My king in Medieval II is -literally- known as "King Auncell the Cuckold" |
| 02:40.42 | DrodoEmpire | A fucking literal cuck is the king of England |
| 02:40.59 | DrodoEmpire | I never knew that was an option for a title |
| 03:00.41 | Wormy_ | goodnight |
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| 10:38.31 | drom | Where is Hachiman? http://i.imgur.com/Z8X5qB1.png |
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| 10:51.07 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 10:52.29 | Monet | hi |
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| 10:59.12 | drom | Oh welcome, Jepardi, Ghelae and Monet! |
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| 12:07.00 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 12:08.01 | Monet | hi |
| 12:21.01 | Ghelae | Hi |
| 12:51.03 | dino82_ | hi |
| 12:54.45 | Monet | http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/81465929084146144/F830675B6F01DC0090F2D4FD3E274A30F7C8B0D8/ so this happened |
| 13:09.29 | drom | Hachiman: http://i.imgur.com/Z8X5qB1.png |
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| 13:11.36 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 13:11.50 | drom | hey |
| 13:14.27 | Ghelae | Hi |
| 13:16.54 | drom | Question, Ghelae. How easy is it to start a fire in a hydrogen-methane-ammonia atmosphere? |
| 13:19.00 | Ghelae | It won't be a fire in the sense of oxygen burning something, unless you liberate oxygen from some other compound. |
| 13:19.22 | Ghelae | But you might be able to get hot exothermic reactions by something else. |
| 13:19.32 | Ghelae | Presumably hydrogen reacting with something. |
| 13:21.56 | drom | Boy, it is going to be so difficult to develop technology without uncontrolled exothermic reactions. |
| 13:23.21 | Wormy_ | Naica's crystal caves hold long-dormant life http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-39013829 |
| 13:23.56 | drom | https://www.reddit.com/r/CatastrophicFailure/comments/5nz6ou/wwi_making_coffee_with_flamethrower_fuel_killing/ |
| 13:24.20 | drom | "WWI - Making coffee with flamethrower fuel, killing 679" |
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| 13:27.16 | drom | Ghelae: Something something flourine |
| 13:27.57 | Ghelae | Fluorine is very reactive, and oxidising, so it will burn in hydrogen (usually making hydrogen fluoride), yes. |
| 13:28.11 | Ghelae | But because it's so reactive it's all bound up in fluoride rocks. |
| 13:29.07 | Ghelae | If you can get electricity, then you can electrolyse fluorine-, chlorine-, or (more safely) oxygen-containing compounds to release free gases, store them, and burn them. |
| 13:29.30 | drom | So, with careful application of these rocks and flint, you can start a fire then? |
| 13:29.45 | drom | (wild assumption) |
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| 13:31.12 | drom | On the subject of electricity, you won't need fire to heat something. All you need is a metal/alloy with high resistivity |
| 13:31.38 | drom | and lots of amps |
| 13:32.05 | drom | or was it voltage? |
| 13:32.49 | Ghelae | Either. For a given resistance (in an ohmic material), voltage and current are directly proportional. |
| 13:32.55 | Ghelae | V = IR and all that. |
| 13:32.58 | drom | Mhm amps works, but preferably voltage |
| 13:33.16 | drom | P = R^2 * I or P = RU |
| 13:33.31 | Ghelae | Normally voltage is what you directly control, and a fixed current results due to that and the resistance. |
| 13:34.27 | drom | Well. Mathematically, it would be easier to use voltage over current. |
| 13:36.30 | drom | I read someone that you can start fire using Titanium with either Nitrogen or Oxygen |
| 13:37.44 | drom | Okay, not a fire. But it still can burn with nitrogen or oxygen, as this slide claims to do. |
| 13:37.59 | Ghelae | At high temperatures, titanium will react with nitrogen to form titanium nitride. |
| 13:38.25 | Ghelae | I don't know whether this would be useful for producting higher temperatures, though. |
| 13:40.10 | drom | Fair enough |
| 13:44.01 | drom | Anyhow. If we are going to apply the combustion of hydrogen and flouride as the a way to discover fire. I worry about hydrogen flouride and if there is a way for the nature to break them down. |
| 13:48.28 | Ghelae | If your solvent is ammonia, I imagine hydrogen fluoride will dissolve inside it and make it highly acidic. That is, breathing the fumes from fire will cause acid burns. |
| 13:48.42 | Ghelae | Same with hydrogen chloride. |
| 13:49.09 | Ghelae | While water is still acidic relative to ammonia, it should be less dangerous. Thus, burning oxygen is a better idea. |
| 13:49.19 | Ghelae | Oxygen is also a more common element. |
| 13:50.25 | Ghelae | Wormy_: I hadn't heard about this before: http://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2017/02/16/super-earths-are-common-but-incapable-of-supporting-life-like-ours |
| 13:53.58 | Ghelae | It basically comes from this paper - https://arxiv.org/abs/1603.08614 - which predicts that planets with a mass greater than 2 Earth masses will get such a thick atmosphere as to be gas dwarfs (at least as far as habitability is concerned), and the only way for them to lose that atmosphere is for them to be too hot to support life. |
| 13:54.21 | Ghelae | It was published December 27, so I suppose it's quite new. |
| 13:58.04 | drom | Ghelae: Ammonium (bi)fluoride as acidic/toxic to lifeforms using ammonia as solvent? I like it |
| 14:00.34 | Ghelae | Not ammonium fluoride. If that forms, I think it would precipitate out (although that's arguably an even worse thing to happen in your lungs). |
| 14:01.21 | Ghelae | I was thinking of hydrogen fluoride dissolving in ammonia to form what is essentially hydrofluoric acid, although perhaps it would form ammonium fluoride too. |
| 14:01.59 | Ghelae | Yeah, I think you're right. |
| 14:02.11 | Ghelae | It would rapidly form ammonium fluoride. |
| 14:02.24 | drom | An acid formed by solving ammonium fluoride or hydrogen fluoride in ammonia. |
| 14:03.17 | Ghelae | Then the ammonium fluoride would crystallise, because it's not soluble in liquid ammonia. |
| 14:03.30 | drom | Ah, fair enough |
| 14:03.47 | drom | But from sounds of it, it would be their version of stone lungs |
| 14:04.04 | Ghelae | Yes; rather than their lungs burning out, they'd be choked by salt. |
| 14:04.15 | drom | (read asbestosis) |
| 14:05.13 | drom | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoromethane |
| 14:05.26 | drom | Another !!!fun!!! gas |
| 14:07.35 | Ghelae | "Fluoromethane has an agreeable ether-like odor and is also narcotic in high concentrations." Yeah, sounds fun. :P |
| 14:08.08 | drom | Although it seems to only work when there is oxygen in the environment |
| 14:08.48 | drom | What I predict it would produce both water, carbon dioxide and hydrogen flouride |
| 14:09.23 | Ghelae | Possibly. But yes, it's not going to burn in a reducing atmosphere. |
| 14:09.54 | drom | According to this source. The flame are also invisible. https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/fluoromethane#section=Top |
| 14:09.59 | drom | flames* |
| 14:10.19 | drom | Colorless for that matter, if it is what it means |
| 14:10.46 | Ghelae | Yes. That doesn't mean it's going to be invisible; there'll be visible thermal radiation. |
| 14:11.19 | drom | And the "wavey drape" effect created by the heat |
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| 14:13.34 | Ghelae | Yeah. |
| 14:13.47 | drom | Speaking of invisible flames, I find them more scary than flames you can see. |
| 14:13.48 | drom | http://i.imgur.com/VHuyXj4.gifv |
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| 14:18.30 | drom | "Mears, on fire from the waist up, jumped out of his car and ran to the pit wall, where a safety worker, not seeing the fire, tried to remove Mears' helmet. Meanwhile, Mears' fueler, covered in burning fuel, waved his arms frantically to attract the attention of the fire crews already converging on the scene. By this time the safety worker attending to Mears had fled, and Mears, in near panic at being unable to breathe, leaped over the pit wall toward |
| 14:18.30 | drom | another crewman carrying a fire extinguisher, who dropped the extinguisher and also fled. Mears tried to turn the extinguisher on himself, but at this point his father, Bill Mears, having already pulled Rick's wife Deena to safety, grabbed the extinguisher and put out the fire. His mechanics had also been extinguished, and the pit fire crew arrived to thoroughly douse Mears' car." |
| 14:20.40 | Imperios | Hi |
| 14:20.46 | Imperios | dino82_: https://2ch.hk/po/src/20947183/14874268284390.jpg Glorious heraldry |
| 14:21.11 | Hachiman | Imperios: reed khara tale stuff pls ;w; |
| 14:21.26 | Imperios | Hachiman: I did |
| 14:21.30 | Imperios | I have only one thing to say |
| 14:21.42 | Hachiman | If it's an Attack on Titan reference I swear |
| 14:21.58 | Imperios | Gnarg |
| 14:22.02 | Hachiman | GNARG |
| 14:22.34 | Imperios | Was kind of both lighthearted and gory |
| 14:23.05 | Hachiman | I was responsible for the acid gnoll zombies, Oluap was responsible for the fiery, flesh-melted cyclops hur |
| 14:23.56 | dino82_ | @Imperios: hehe, I bet on the cat! |
| 14:27.34 | drom | Imperios: How to remove a Radeon from your house: http://imgur.com/gallery/w76g9nT |
| 14:29.35 | Imperios | ...That is actually kind of brutal |
| 14:32.14 | Hachiman | Holy shit |
| 14:32.42 | Hachiman | It just goes fucking flying hur |
| 14:43.19 | dino82_ | oh my |
| 14:45.19 | DrodoAway | test |
| 14:58.11 | Wormy_ | Ghelae: Well I think it was known that super-earths over twice the mass of Earth would be nothing like our planet. Take Sanberg's hypothetical planet Wet, three times the mass of Earth had rather extreme differences, and was an ocean world with a much thicker atmosphere http://io9.gizmodo.com/what-a-habitable-planet-twice-the-size-of-earth-would-b-1476308959 |
| 15:05.50 | Ghelae | That's all very well thought out, and seems perfectly consistent while still being habitable (if not very Earth-like). If the idea that such large planets are inevitably gas dwarfs, however, it seems that such a planet won't happen. |
| 15:06.21 | Ghelae | Probably because it's the formation of the planet that matters for the accumulation of atmosphere, so while it's physically okay for such a planet to have a habitably thin atmosphere, it won't form that way. |
| 15:11.14 | Wormy_ | Yes, the planet's mass and gravity relationship, and it's distance to the star are universals and so its pretty simple to see why this relationship exists, and why such plasnets would either be gas dwarfs or airless rocks. That being said, planetary science and geophysical processes always throw up some complex or contrary case that the authors might not have thought of. |
| 15:12.57 | Wormy_ | On the subject of the previous debate about the habitability of super-earths, here's another one: plate tectonics. Some estimates proposed that planets with more than three times the mass of Earth have negative effects on plate tectonics, due to increased pressure and gravity on heat convection. Although its thought that planets with slightly more mass mass would be more conducive to tectonics, due to the sustainment of residual |
| 15:14.58 | Ghelae | That ends at "due to the sustainment of residual". |
| 15:16.35 | Wormy_ | heat. |
| 15:17.17 | Ghelae | There are a couple of comments to that Forbes article that give caveats. Both rely on the principle that the star could boil away most the atmosphere, leaving a habitable amount left, and then stop. This can happen in two ways: either the planet migrates towards the sun and then moves back out at just the right time, or the star is a red dwarf that becomes less violent at just the right time. |
| 15:17.59 | Ghelae | Maybe a geophysics way of providing habitability is that the planet gets too much of its atmosphere boiled away before it migrates back out again, but then tectonic activity kicks in and replenishes the air. |
| 15:18.46 | Ghelae | But based on what you've said, it sounds like that would only work for the lightest super-Earths, between two to three Earth masses. |
| 15:18.58 | Wormy_ | Yeah |
| 15:21.03 | Wormy_ | Much of Earth's volatiles were derived from outgassing from the planet's mantle. There was recently a paper that focused on the formation of water in the mantle from the interaction of hydrogen and silicates under pressure http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0012821X16307440 |
| 15:23.52 | drom | http://imgur.com/gallery/bKnES "Chairmy Clarkson" |
| 15:24.09 | Ghelae | So there are ways for super-Earths to be habitable if they have most to all of their atmosphere boiled away, then move to a position (or have their star's activity decrease) so as to make temperatures more hospitable. |
| 15:24.56 | Ghelae | But from the other direction, the atmosphere will be too thick if it isn't boiled away. |
| 15:25.23 | Ghelae | drom: I see the resemblance. |
| 15:26.35 | Ghelae | "Boiled" probably isn't the best word to use for atmospheres, what with them being gas already. But I'm sure you get what I mean. |
| 15:26.44 | drom | The top comment is hilarious as well |
| 15:28.02 | Wormy_ | However, even if these cases exist, it probably means habitable super-earths are rarer than supposed before, and probably no more than two times the mass of Earth. At least habitable to Earthly life, like atmospheric beasts |
| 15:28.24 | Wormy_ | *at least not habitable |
| 15:29.01 | Wormy_ | "Escaping" is a better word |
| 15:29.13 | Ghelae | Yeah, although two times the mass of Earth might not be best thought of as a "super-Earth" now. They're just the upper limit of Earth-type terrestrial planets. |
| 15:29.42 | Wormy_ | http://www.astronomynotes.com/solarsys/s3.htm |
| 15:29.43 | Ghelae | Larger planets would be gas dwarfs or mini-Neptunes, and hence as habitable as any gas planet is. |
| 15:29.58 | Ghelae | Yes, "escapes" is what the atmosphere does. |
| 15:30.29 | Ghelae | I was wording it as what the enviornment does to the atmosphere, which might simply have been a poor choice of wording. |
| 15:35.18 | Wormy_ | The interesting thing is that planets approaching that limit could be more conducive to life than ours. |
| 15:38.18 | Wormy_ | They could retain their residual heat, have flatter topography, more water, or orbit a star which lives longer that the sun. And most of the Earth is desert, hold, cold or oceanic. Or mountainous. |
| 15:38.33 | Wormy_ | *hot, cold |
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| 15:49.06 | Tek0516 | http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/anti-theodicy |
| 15:59.02 | Ghelae | Tek0516: I genuinely can't find any fault in that reasoning. |
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| 16:00.24 | Wormy_ | Its almost like inverse gnosticism |
| 16:01.26 | DrodoEmpire | Ehh I don't agree with that theologically speaking <.< |
| 16:01.46 | DrodoEmpire | I mean yeah taken literally the O. Testament god is a monster, but taking literally misses the entire goddamn point |
| 16:02.06 | Wormy_ | But where the universe is good and gets messed up by god, gnostics believed the material world was evil and one must transcend it to reach the spiritual |
| 16:02.24 | DrodoEmpire | When Christian fundimentalists do it, its dumb-- when atheists pretend its the only possible interpretation, its also dumb |
| 16:02.37 | Wormy_ | or flawed / suffering is probably a better wording |
| 16:02.57 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah, I understand Gnosticism |
| 16:04.13 | DrodoEmpire | I believe the Cathar heresy, actually, was a branch of neo-Gnosticism |
| 16:04.23 | DrodoEmpire | hence why the Church was so worried about it :p |
| 16:04.35 | Wormy_ | I think so, yes |
| 16:05.16 | DrodoEmpire | Rather grimly the church's actions basically validated the Cathar belief system >.< |
| 16:05.33 | DrodoEmpire | >The world, especially the church is satanic and of the Old Testament god |
| 16:05.35 | Tek0516 | DrodoEmpire: It is supposed to be a joke rather than serious religious philosophy. :P |
| 16:05.37 | DrodoEmpire | >the world turns on them |
| 16:05.44 | DrodoEmpire | >"Yeah, we were right" |
| 16:05.50 | DrodoEmpire | I know, I can appreciate that xD |
| 16:05.53 | DrodoEmpire | Just saying |
| 16:06.19 | Wormy_ | There was a also an attempted alchemist revolution in 17th century Hamburg, if I remember rightly, and alchemy took ideas from gnostic and hermetic works like those of Hermes Trismegistus |
| 16:06.27 | DrodoEmpire | Huh |
| 16:12.36 | Wormy_ | I think it was in Prague actually, they werre crushed by the Hapsburgs |
| 16:12.43 | Wormy_ | http://www.mysterium.com/tmalchemy3-2.html |
| 16:12.45 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh |
| 16:13.31 | Wormy_ | ctrl+f Winter of 1618 |
| 16:14.39 | DrodoEmpire | Huh, never heard of this before |
| 16:16.27 | Wormy_ | Also interesting it introduces Rene Descartes who witnessed the fall of the alchemists, one of the founders of modern science |
| 16:18.27 | Wormy_ | His philosophy of dualism of mind and matter, is completely different to the alchemists who thought their mental impressions could extended in material reactions |
| 16:19.20 | Wormy_ | And yet Mckenna implies that Descartes claimed he was an angel which said "The conquest of nature is to be achieved through measure and number." |
| 16:19.34 | Wormy_ | *descartes claimed he saw an angel |
| 16:20.23 | Wormy_ | Which is quite an alchemical unfolding at the heart of the modern world |
| 16:30.52 | Wormy_ | I sometimes wonder if the modern world is vaguely gnostic |
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| 16:48.59 | Wormy_ | I was aboiut to make a joke about Harrison Ford now being allowed to fly the Millenium Falcon if he loses his pilot's license, then forgot Han Solo died in the 7 |
| 16:49.27 | Wormy_ | *not |
| 16:49.53 | Wormy_ | *remembered |
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| 18:53.57 | Imperios | OluapPlayer: Dear lord, Myhic +10 |
| 18:54.05 | Imperios | DrodoEmpire: Oh, are wea talking about evolution? |
| 18:54.12 | Imperios | Christianity? |
| 18:54.15 | Imperios | And Gnosticism? |
| 18:54.27 | OluapPlayer | That was a major turn of subjects right there |
| 18:55.09 | DrodoEmpire | Nope xD |
| 18:55.26 | Imperios | I want to forget +10 hur |
| 18:55.32 | Imperios | It was torturous |
| 18:56.04 | OluapPlayer | What dungeon was it? |
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| 19:23.05 | dino82_ | test |
| 19:27.00 | Imperios | OluapPlayer: Arcway |
| 19:27.09 | OluapPlayer | Ah |
| 19:42.52 | Imperios | So what is that with Lorax lately |
| 19:43.32 | Imperios | So many memes about it, now I feel kind of tempted to make an industrial wasteland planet in the Fiction Universe |
| 19:48.37 | OluapPlayer | I've not seen anything about the Lorax in a very long time |
| 19:49.09 | OluapPlayer | http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/038/793/402.jpeg except this |
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| 19:49.59 | DrodoEmpire | ack |
| 19:50.06 | DrodoEmpire | Computer shut down for some reason |
| 19:55.35 | drom | my laptop does that every time I leave it for an extended period |
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| 20:18.32 | DrodoEmpire | FUCK |
| 20:18.41 | DrodoEmpire | I keep unplugging my computer by accident >.< |
| 20:18.53 | DrodoEmpire | Fixed it now, -hopefully- shouldn't happen again |
| 20:29.32 | DrodoEmpire | https://i.imgur.com/SX9GjRr.jpg |
| 20:38.39 | Tek0516 | Unplugging your computer by acident? |
| 20:38.45 | Tek0516 | *accident? |
| 20:39.36 | drom | Reminds me the one time of struggle my old laptop's battery failed, so I had to keep it connected to a charger 24/7 to be able to use it |
| 20:52.42 | Technobliterator | So, the Lego Batman Movie is extremely good |
| 20:52.44 | Technobliterator | I would say better than the Lego Movie |
| 21:01.40 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah, same for me drom |
| 21:02.19 | DrodoEmpire | And the reason is that its connected to like a plug adapter thingy that switches on and off and its right under me, so I switch it off by accident with my foot |
| 21:02.25 | DrodoEmpire | I moved it so that's no longer a problem |
| 21:04.00 | DrodoEmpire | https://i.imgur.com/r7RwAyx.jpg |
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| 21:14.50 | Xho | Evening niggos |
| 21:15.03 | DrodoEmpire | D8< |
| 21:15.14 | Xho | y u |
| 21:18.43 | drom | ey |
| 21:18.48 | drom | you late cucklefuck |
| 21:18.58 | drom | I waited for you for approx 32 hours |
| 21:19.30 | Xho | hao bout stick a cactus up your mangina |
| 21:19.42 | Xho | Anyway what was the wait for |
| 21:19.43 | Monet | Hi |
| 21:19.51 | Xho | And hi |
| 21:20.19 | drom | Xho: I would rather have a reverse barbed dragon dildo laced with herpes and all that |
| 21:20.35 | Xho | why would you make it worse |
| 21:21.02 | drom | because waiting for you is *even* worse |
| 21:21.11 | Xho | lol suks to be u |
| 21:23.24 | DrodoEmpire | "cucklefuck" |
| 21:23.27 | DrodoEmpire | I'm taking that |
| 21:23.59 | Xho | So what was your question |
| 21:29.32 | Xho | seriously 32 hours waiting and then nothing |
| 21:29.36 | Xho | just wat kinda cuck r u |
| 21:29.52 | Xho | Huh well that wasn't the word I wanted to use but we'll roll with it |
| 21:31.52 | Xho | IRC been dead or what |
| 21:33.21 | dino82_ | bye bye |
| 21:34.19 | DrodoEmpire | Nah, not dead |
| 21:34.19 | Xho | yep dead |
| 21:34.23 | Xho | yus |
| 21:34.24 | DrodoEmpire | Just busy with other stuff |
| 21:34.28 | DrodoEmpire | no :< |
| 21:34.40 | DrodoEmpire | CUCK boi |
| 21:34.41 | DrodoEmpire | >.> |
| 21:34.52 | Xho | die |
| 21:35.00 | DrodoEmpire | kk |
| 21:37.08 | Imperios | Monet: We have been talking about stuff with Drodo and I kind of wanted to ask other people their opinions about one thing |
| 21:37.44 | Imperios | Does this https://youtu.be/Me7p2dZxTsc?t=31 sound similar to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bOjT3fvKy0 |
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| 21:43.58 | Monet | Hmm. Somewhat. |
| 21:44.43 | Imperios | ...I wonder if that is intentional |
| 21:55.59 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 21:56.11 | DrodoEmpire | Charles_Bot care to weigh in? |
| 21:59.09 | drom | OKAY, XHO |
| 21:59.25 | drom | I am in middle of a ongoing session of nWoD, so bear with me. |
| 21:59.36 | Charles_Bot | One was adapted from the other, yeah |
| 21:59.45 | Charles_Bot | So it's intentional Monet DrodoEmpire |
| 22:00.08 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah Impy figured |
| 22:00.10 | drom | Okay. Xho. http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Kurinnurii I was wondering how rest of the Tuuros would view them. |
| 22:00.21 | ImpyDroid | Where did you get that info? |
| 22:00.51 | Charles_Bot | Wikipedia |
| 22:01.03 | Charles_Bot | Also the encyclopedia of Russian culture |
| 22:01.11 | Charles_Bot | But I don't have that one with me |
| 22:01.26 | Xho | Drom: It ultimately depends on what the Kurinnurii value more, strength or intelligence |
| 22:02.14 | drom | They value fine engineering and robust technology. |
| 22:02.27 | Xho | huh well |
| 22:02.35 | Xho | Not particularly sure |
| 22:03.03 | ImpyDroid | Charles_Bot: It would be in line with Stalin's overall policies but I doubt he actually stated that anywhere |
| 22:03.08 | ImpyDroid | I mean he was not an idiot |
| 22:03.29 | Xho | I could imagine the Nanusuloans and Asilapheans reasoning with them |
| 22:03.33 | Xho | And possibly Sumikians |
| 22:03.39 | Xho | Vranntan on the other hand, well |
| 22:03.48 | drom | "GIVE ME YOUR TECH OR DIE" |
| 22:04.25 | Charles_Bot | Russia didn't have an official anthem until 1992, and that was when they approved the anthem proposed in 1990 while they were still an SFR |
| 22:04.43 | ImpyDroid | Oh no we are not talking about that |
| 22:04.49 | Charles_Bot | Hm? |
| 22:05.02 | ImpyDroid | We were comparing God Save the Tsar and the Soviet anthem |
| 22:05.23 | ImpyDroid | The 1944 one which is still in use today |
| 22:05.24 | Charles_Bot | Oh, I see; then I have no idea |
| 22:06.19 | drom | Anyhow. Kurinnurii are a hydrogen-breathing species. So availability of planets habitable for them is extremely limited, so they can be found at these, since they like to take every opportunity to colonize them |
| 22:10.29 | drom | So huh, if you wish to physically interact with them, chances are either side will be wearing sealed environment suits. |
| 22:15.30 | DrodoEmpire | Monet: Thanks for the like fam <.< |
| 22:16.23 | Xho | Hm |
| 22:16.39 | Xho | If the Kurinnurii are like that they might be associated with Schism species |
| 22:16.40 | Xho | Could be bad |
| 22:23.25 | drom | I wager it is not *that* bad |
| 22:24.06 | drom | All they need is a respirator connected to a supply of hydrogen or a small personal atmospheric unit. |
| 22:25.15 | Xho | Hm |
| 22:25.18 | Xho | Maybe, maybe not |
| 22:27.04 | drom | Also, don't let them breathe fluoride. It gives them their own version of abestosis, or stone lungs. Except with salt. |
| 22:36.18 | Wormy_ | Watched Live, Die, Repeat |
| 22:36.33 | Wormy_ | Captured the feeling of a game into a film, at least |
| 22:41.14 | DrodoEmpire | Huh |
| 22:43.21 | ImpyDroid | OluapPlayer: About Lorax |
| 22:43.47 | ImpyDroid | The songs from this cartoon have been used in a similar way to We Are Number One recently |
| 22:43.55 | ImpyDroid | https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=CbIhBE--c7Q For example |
| 22:48.24 | Charles_Bot | Wormy_ I pinged you |
| 22:49.38 | Wormy_ | Hi, just reading it now |
| 22:50.44 | Wormy_ | I'm helping Random with geology |
| 22:52.58 | Wormy_ | g2g |
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| 23:11.57 | drom | Xho has left |
| 23:12.17 | drom | hereby I reintroduce another period of waiting |
| 23:12.49 | Liquid_Ink | Xho usually leaves around this time |
| 23:13.11 | drom | I am aware. It is pretty much midnight right now |
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| 23:22.37 | ImpyDroid | Hi Tyb |
| 23:24.09 | Tybusen | Hi |
| 23:24.13 | drom | Anyhow. As I attempt to remove my head out of the other end of my body. I wish to politely ask about the idea of how would a galactic community view them. Either viewed as close to a demonic pest due to their alien nature, or there are the better alternative - viewed alien, but fairly reasoned with. |
| 23:25.54 | drom | The alien nature I implied is that they live in a completely different atmosphere, hydroge-methane-ammonia to be precise. |
| 23:27.36 | ImpyDroid | OluapPlayer: "Bi*ch you know nothing about my suffering. We sacrificed everything even our shadow the edgehog action figures. Im gonna wear black and red and there is nothing you can do about it." |
| 23:28.25 | OluapPlayer | hur |
| 23:37.29 | drom | Boy. Another dilemma I am indecisive on, I've to be decisive on. |
| 23:59.29 | DrodoEmpire | https://scontent.fyhz1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t34.0-12/16754082_621348368069531_1617131172_n.jpg?oh=00d2b12be332736597144553a6790682&oe=58AAE025 ImpyDroid Charles_Bot |
| 23:59.56 | Charles_Bot | Lolol |
