| 00:00.18 | DrodoEmpire | Oh yeah definitely |
| 00:00.44 | DrodoEmpire | Alcohol and the brewing process helped kill microbes and get rid of impurities |
| 00:02.01 | Monet | WHat we make today is probably more concentrated than what used to be made. |
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| 00:02.41 | DrodoEmpire | Actually I'm not quite so sure |
| 00:02.43 | DrodoEmpire | Hey |
| 00:03.03 | DrodoEmpire | Mesopotamian beer was almost more of a paste, or pulpy orange juice if I recall correctly |
| 00:03.12 | DrodoEmpire | So it was definitely more calorific |
| 00:03.58 | DrodoEmpire | Ooh Eric Flint did a podcast on 1632 |
| 00:04.04 | DrodoEmpire | Older, but it'd be the first time I saw it |
| 00:04.05 | Monet | Maybe there was drinking beer - weak stuff that you'd need several pints to get hammered, and strong beer, made for getting hamemred. |
| 00:04.13 | DrodoEmpire | Quite possibly |
| 00:04.32 | DrodoEmpire | Beer was a secondary source of calories for these people, hence it was so thick |
| 00:04.37 | Monet | I recall hearing that you used to be able to get beer for kids. |
| 00:04.44 | DrodoEmpire | Absolutely, very common |
| 00:05.01 | DrodoEmpire | So now that I think on it... Yeah regular beer was probably pasty and low-alcohol |
| 00:05.23 | Monet | And yet you still had the Anti-Saloon Leagues and Temperance Union. |
| 00:05.31 | DrodoEmpire | Wouldn't be surprised if there was more high-quality alcohol though -for- getting shitfaced |
| 00:05.35 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah |
| 00:06.59 | DrodoEmpire | Actually one thing that strikes me as interesting about English and the English-speaking world in general's drinking culture is how -old- it must be |
| 00:07.13 | DrodoEmpire | I mean, English has -thousands- of words for the state of being drunk |
| 00:07.17 | Hachiman | Ancient history; where everyone suffered from alcohol fetus syndrome or whatever |
| 00:07.21 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 00:07.49 | DrodoEmpire | And not just drunk, different levels of drunkenness, the feelings associated with it, the feeling you get after a night of drinking, etc. |
| 00:08.00 | DrodoEmpire | And some of these words are pretty old, so I mean... |
| 00:08.14 | DrodoEmpire | Englishmen have been drinking for a very long time, its interesting to think about |
| 00:08.39 | Monet | Not to mention the innumerable claimed hangover remedies. |
| 00:08.41 | DrodoEmpire | You don't get that nearly as much as with other languages |
| 00:08.42 | DrodoEmpire | Yep |
| 00:09.07 | Monet | I've heard stories of how South Korea has a pretty hard drinking passion. |
| 00:09.21 | DrodoEmpire | I wouldn't be surprised |
| 00:09.36 | DrodoEmpire | I mean I know China has a similar drinking culture |
| 00:09.51 | Monet | Like, pictures of young men just passed out flat on the street. |
| 00:09.53 | Monet | Lots of them |
| 00:10.02 | DrodoEmpire | Basically when you're in a Chinese bar the objective is to drink until you black out, and be the first one to black out |
| 00:10.19 | DrodoEmpire | And if you don't drink 'till yo're shitfaced, you're a pussy |
| 00:10.22 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah |
| 00:10.45 | Hachiman | Fucking all of the Korean generals and admirals were too pissed to deal with the Japanese while Yi became thankful for all those times he was called a pansy not for drinking shit |
| 00:10.49 | Wormy_ | I hear the German beer culture is quite sophisticated |
| 00:10.52 | Monet | Well that explains why I'm finding so many pictures of men sleeping face-down on the pavement or in bushes. |
| 00:11.16 | DrodoEmpire | I've heard it described as immature, and I think that's accurate. Not as an insult necessarily, but as a descriptor-- casual drinking in the modern sense is probably new to Chinese people |
| 00:11.21 | DrodoEmpire | As with a lot of western concepts |
| 00:12.04 | DrodoEmpire | So what do they do, lacking any cultural background in it? Do the obvious thing and pound as much into you as you can, because more is better and seeing your friend pass out is hilarious |
| 00:12.12 | Hachiman | Casual drinking, meanwhile, was what the old Scandinavians used to do on reg |
| 00:12.18 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 00:12.43 | DrodoEmpire | And yeah beer culture in Germany is sophisticated I hear |
| 00:12.47 | Monet | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/Hard_liquor_consumption.svg/350px-Hard_liquor_consumption.svg.png well...they're certainly pounding those shots. |
| 00:13.00 | DrodoEmpire | Holy fucking shit |
| 00:13.47 | DrodoEmpire | The scary part is that, despite those statistics, Russia has a longstanding alcohol problem that's really hurting it |
| 00:13.59 | Wormy_ | Went to a German bier festival last year for my birthday |
| 00:14.10 | Wormy_ | The beer was imported fresh |
| 00:14.11 | DrodoEmpire | I mean its part of the reason for why male death rates are so high I think |
| 00:14.23 | Wormy_ | Let me tell you its totally different to English ales |
| 00:14.30 | DrodoEmpire | And then you got SK, which is doing more than double in terms of hard liquor |
| 00:14.34 | DrodoEmpire | Huh, really? |
| 00:14.44 | Wormy_ | So much fresher-tasting |
| 00:14.53 | Wormy_ | Less clingey |
| 00:15.51 | Wormy_ | We drank out of huge 2 pint steins while German musicians played |
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| 00:18.46 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 00:22.19 | Tek0516 | So I decided to try making a random spiral galaxy generator https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/2kkxBjDS/Spiral%20Galaxy%20random%20shape.png |
| 00:23.32 | Monet | Drat, a transparent background washes out the image. |
| 00:23.40 | Wormy_ | noice |
| 00:24.28 | Tek0516 | Monet https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/9mbGpMNE/Spiral%20Galaxy%20random%20shape.png |
| 00:24.57 | Monet | better |
| 00:25.49 | Monet | Pattern is nice. I like the irregularity to it. |
| 00:27.01 | Tek0516 | This is just a first stage of getting shape, working out parameters. Trying to keep irregularities instead of the even spread but not too drastic. |
| 00:30.26 | Monet | It's a goodstart so far. |
| 00:46.49 | DrodoEmpire | http://one-elevenbooks.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/kfc.jpg o.O |
| 00:50.56 | Tek0516 | I tried changing the math a bit to fill in the gaps but it caused a sort of interference pattern instead. XD |
| 00:53.04 | DrodoEmpire | "Something tells me the patriarchy's winning" http://i.imgur.com/wBSoPaL.jpg |
| 00:53.31 | Wormy_ | Drodo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25rAE-WU_RM |
| 00:54.07 | DrodoEmpire | That's wrong >.< |
| 00:58.25 | DrodoEmpire | "What was the best thing your parents did for you? |
| 00:58.32 | DrodoEmpire | Madeon - Tolerated me, I guess? |
| 00:59.09 | Monet | "there's your sister""here's your uncle ralph" |
| 00:59.19 | Monet | Pigs will eat anything. |
| 00:59.56 | Wormy_ | I think they do cannibalise their fallen comrades |
| 01:00.22 | Wormy_ | Also, you would meet the same fate if you passed out or died in a pig pen |
| 01:00.23 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah... So its not -the- most unnatural thing, but its still... wrong |
| 01:00.30 | DrodoEmpire | Probably |
| 01:00.39 | Monet | It's a dickmove. |
| 01:01.11 | Wormy_ | I lurch to declare it wrong, but I'm not sure why |
| 01:01.53 | Monet | Wormy_: Human nature. |
| 01:02.06 | Monet | Humans are less inclined to eat each other than pigs. |
| 01:02.08 | DrodoEmpire | I dunno if its human to see such a thing as wrong |
| 01:02.12 | Wormy_ | Animals, even herbivores like cows, are fed remains of their own species (with cows, bone meal) |
| 01:02.17 | DrodoEmpire | Cannibalism is a common practice in some cultures |
| 01:02.46 | Monet | True |
| 01:02.51 | DrodoEmpire | Its probably something very deep-seated in our cultural background, or personal morality |
| 01:03.19 | Monet | Most European cultures frowned on cannibalism. |
| 01:03.24 | Wormy_ | Yes, and the "there's your sister" makes it even more cringeyt |
| 01:03.27 | DrodoEmpire | Almost all yeah |
| 01:03.46 | DrodoEmpire | I think that's the worst thing |
| 01:03.50 | DrodoEmpire | They taunted them |
| 01:04.07 | DrodoEmpire | And while obviously they wouldn't understand that's still stupid |
| 01:04.08 | Monet | Although as said, mothers will sometimes eat their babies. |
| 01:04.43 | Monet | I think when animals do that it's normally the unhealthy or weak ones they eat isn't it? |
| 01:06.26 | DrodoEmpire | It'd make sense |
| 01:08.49 | Wormy_ | There's nothing funny about the way animals live less rich lives than we. Just as there is nothing funny or great about the state of stagnation over most of human history, which is often overly praised |
| 01:09.18 | Wormy_ | For if had not been that way, our lives would be a lot better if we existed |
| 01:12.42 | Wormy_ | I always liked this guy because he breaks the Western taboo of being polite about praising the ancients. He took a more critical approach https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Bronowski |
| 01:12.57 | DrodoEmpire | I dunno if most of human history was spent in stagnation-- certainly not recorded history |
| 01:13.04 | DrodoEmpire | Progress was much slower, but it was steady |
| 01:13.16 | DrodoEmpire | And I've never heard of him but he sounds... dangerous. |
| 01:13.54 | DrodoEmpire | We have enough people trying to reject the past and thus the foundations our civilisation is based on. All it achieved was millions dead. |
| 01:13.59 | Wormy_ | You need more Bronowski, I think you'd find him interesting |
| 01:14.55 | DrodoEmpire | Right |
| 01:15.31 | DrodoEmpire | Now I should be clear and say that warped views of history that delve into the realm of naked romanticism aren't good either, and perhaps equally destructive |
| 01:15.40 | Wormy_ | Most of human history, 200,000 years or more, a million if you stretch to erectus, was palaeolithic and was met with hardly any change. |
| 01:16.19 | Wormy_ | Most of human civilisation was also cxonstantly wired by static society thinking, and of course not helped by geography and resources |
| 01:16.20 | DrodoEmpire | But there's nothing to gain either from concluding that history was is a pointless series of meaningless suffering inflicted to ignorant people |
| 01:16.24 | Wormy_ | *mired |
| 01:16.33 | Wormy_ | But they did suffer |
| 01:16.53 | DrodoEmpire | But it wasn't meaningless, and it wasn't pointless, and they weren't ignorant |
| 01:17.09 | Wormy_ | No-one's saying it was meaningless or uninteresting |
| 01:17.24 | DrodoEmpire | And the reason societies tend to be static is because humans are naturally conservative. Change happened slowly, but it happened. |
| 01:17.50 | DrodoEmpire | Small innovations here and there at first, and then periods of rapid progress |
| 01:18.10 | Wormy_ | Humans aren't anymore. We have always had the potential for rapid, sustained progress. The human mind is molded by culture, not just biology |
| 01:18.14 | DrodoEmpire | I can really only think of a handful of times most of human society -regressed- in any significant way |
| 01:18.48 | DrodoEmpire | Indeed, we got a new mindset which helped free us from our natural, conservative leanings perhaps |
| 01:19.24 | Wormy_ | You have ask yourself why most of the mini-enlightenments never lasted more than a few generations. And none of them really resembled the European Enlightenment, in terms of reach and the ideas they had |
| 01:20.18 | Wormy_ | What people like Browoski were saying is that we overly praise ancient achievements, and then forget that it didn't really build our world incrementally |
| 01:20.18 | DrodoEmpire | You have a very narrow scope |
| 01:21.04 | DrodoEmpire | Are we ignoring the sustained splendour of the classical world, and their massive, far-reaching achievements in thought and art and technology? |
| 01:21.11 | DrodoEmpire | What about the Chinese? |
| 01:21.18 | DrodoEmpire | India? |
| 01:21.29 | Wormy_ | Crushed |
| 01:21.37 | DrodoEmpire | Pardon? |
| 01:24.56 | Wormy_ | None of them created the post-enlightenment world we live in, most of them stop and started. There's a theory behind how this works, and it involves memes. |
| 01:26.55 | Wormy_ | Memes are ideas which contain a certain level of knowledge implicit in it's survival. Memes can be static or dynamic, in that in societies with an overwhelming majority of static memes, ideas survive by using the creative and critical mental filters of the human mind to better reinforce their own survival. I.e. rulesd of thumb, taboos, reliance on authority |
| 01:28.46 | Wormy_ | Dynamic memes are different in one respect, they encode knowledge about open forms of criticism. Science for example, has institutions, but those institutions are capable of self-improvement and error correction |
| 01:29.28 | Wormy_ | So arguably, are democratic forms of institutions |
| 01:29.57 | Monet | There is still a lot of ancient influence i nthe Enlightenmen tperiod. |
| 01:30.57 | DrodoEmpire | The classical world didn't stop-and-start, and it wasn't a phase |
| 01:31.11 | DrodoEmpire | This isn't the understate the revolution that was the Enlightenment either |
| 01:31.21 | Wormy_ | But there's an essential epistemological difference: people before the enlightenment, even natural philosopherr, used rules of thumb |
| 01:31.32 | DrodoEmpire | But I -will- tell you that it wasn't an independent phenomenon |
| 01:31.55 | DrodoEmpire | They still used them during the enlightenment, did they not? |
| 01:32.31 | Wormy_ | No, because people began to reject rules of thumb and authority for that matter as a method of scientific discourse |
| 01:32.34 | DrodoEmpire | And I mean, if you wanna see a rejection of philosophical rules of thumb then there're the Gnostic afaik |
| 01:32.37 | DrodoEmpire | *Gnostics |
| 01:32.59 | Wormy_ | I mean sure, everyone uses rules of thumb, but the attitude was that people no longer took them seriously |
| 01:33.00 | Monet | The writings of Socrates, Virgil, Plato and Vitruvious were still highly regarded. |
| 01:33.02 | DrodoEmpire | Absolutely, the Enlightenment was a revolution in thought in many ways |
| 01:33.21 | DrodoEmpire | But it would never had happened without the ancient traditions and their revival |
| 01:33.36 | Wormy_ | Right, and if we go back to memes, it was the only one that initiated the survival of dynamic memes over static ones |
| 01:33.40 | DrodoEmpire | The classical world wasn't a brief, unsustainable period of enlightenment |
| 01:33.56 | DrodoEmpire | It lasted longer than our current, post-Enlightenment worl |
| 01:33.57 | DrodoEmpire | *ld |
| 01:34.02 | DrodoEmpire | Well |
| 01:34.03 | DrodoEmpire | So far |
| 01:34.08 | Wormy_ | It was vastly slower |
| 01:34.26 | Wormy_ | I don't think they're comparable |
| 01:34.37 | DrodoEmpire | Was it though? |
| 01:34.41 | DrodoEmpire | Or was it more sustained? |
| 01:34.55 | Monet | There is a significant mindset difference between the ancient and Medieval worlds. What could have influenced that |
| 01:35.16 | DrodoEmpire | I mean, after Socrates it only took a few more generations for Greek thought to become the bedrock of classical thinking |
| 01:35.21 | Wormy_ | I use this analogy whenever I debate with militant atheists who think if there was no dark ages, we'd be having spaceships by now. There's no good justification to think that |
| 01:35.38 | DrodoEmpire | Oh I agree that that's silly |
| 01:35.44 | DrodoEmpire | Because history's more complicated |
| 01:35.55 | Wormy_ | They might have done, but they might have just stayed as classical levels of technology |
| 01:36.03 | DrodoEmpire | Well, no |
| 01:36.16 | DrodoEmpire | That's -insanely- improbable |
| 01:36.25 | Monet | Rome in 320 AD was a lot different to Rome in 33 BC |
| 01:36.29 | Wormy_ | And most of human history being so isn't? |
| 01:36.34 | DrodoEmpire | There could also be a teacup orbiting the sun right now. Will you assert that too? |
| 01:36.35 | Monet | culturally, militarily and so on. |
| 01:36.59 | DrodoEmpire | I also agree that the Enlightenment was very unique in many ways |
| 01:37.21 | DrodoEmpire | But it wasn't unprecedented, and its origins lie in ancient wisdom in a large part |
| 01:38.18 | Wormy_ | I mean the Greeks were aware of early steam powered technologies, but it was just a toy to them. There's no reason to think they'd derive an industrial revolution. That takes a particular perceived need and creative thought. |
| 01:38.38 | DrodoEmpire | Yes, naturally, it requires a need |
| 01:38.39 | Monet | Perhaps the catalyst for the Medieval and Enlightenment-era way of thinking was the Church. After the empire fell, things went back mostly to the days of the 'barbarian' tribes except for there being a more homogenous religion. |
| 01:38.56 | DrodoEmpire | But to think that society -wouldn't- progress, even in fits and starts, is silly |
| 01:39.14 | Wormy_ | But it also requires creative thought. Most of human history has seen creative thought strangled by static culture |
| 01:39.28 | DrodoEmpire | Or to even think that's at all a reasonable assertion that things wouldn't progress |
| 01:39.30 | Monet | Somehow post-Rome it became more acceptable to accept foreign experts (so long as they were Christian) |
| 01:39.41 | Wormy_ | I think we're talking about different scales of pr.gress, |
| 01:39.44 | DrodoEmpire | The church had a role yeah |
| 01:40.02 | DrodoEmpire | I dunno, maybe we should explain our two points in a couple sentences and leave it there? |
| 01:40.06 | DrodoEmpire | At least for next time?> |
| 01:40.15 | DrodoEmpire | I feel we -are- talking past eachother yeah |
| 01:40.37 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 01:41.02 | Wormy_ | I agree and of course am aware that all societies change, given Monet's example of Rome. But on the scale of comparing the rapid [and I should unsustainable progress] of knowledge growth now compared to the ancient world is phenomenal |
| 01:42.10 | DrodoEmpire | Right. |
| 01:42.57 | Monet | Looking back I have noticed that one post-enlightenment trend is the development of "technology for technology's sake"; where an unprecedented level of invention is seen as a sign of progress. |
| 01:43.17 | Wormy_ | Its important to note that I think the modern world IS unsustainable. In fact sustainability is a problem, because it sets an example of a society trying to stabilise it;s way of life. But problems are inevitable and not alkways preventable. But a civilisation can also find solutions (space mining or geoengineering for example, in the modern contaxt of peak resources and climate change) |
| 01:43.27 | DrodoEmpire | My position is that the whole of history is soaked in blood and suffering, but there is a clear trend towards societal and technological progress. Mostly, it was slow and pockmarked with the occasional period of regression. But, you had bursts of rapid advancement that built on the knowledge and achievements of the past |
| 01:43.37 | DrodoEmpire | Right, right |
| 01:44.15 | DrodoEmpire | The Enlightment is certainly the one period of history whose rate of knowledge creation is as intense and sustained as it is |
| 01:44.21 | DrodoEmpire | *Enlightenment |
| 01:44.31 | DrodoEmpire | But it has precedent and clear origins |
| 01:44.38 | DrodoEmpire | In past ideas and thought |
| 01:44.46 | Monet | In a sense we're facing a clash of conservatism in the modern day. |
| 01:44.49 | DrodoEmpire | So that's my position in a nutshell |
| 01:45.32 | Wormy_ | I'm not sure if it was a "clear" trend. Enlightenments that survived more than a few generations are exceedingly rare, and there's only one of the kind that happened in modern Europe |
| 01:45.40 | Monet | You've got people who dread or refuse to give up the unsustainable lifetyle under the impression that anything else would be a lower quality of life. |
| 01:46.04 | Wormy_ | But that it is possible for dynamic societies to form, sure. But it's unpredictable. |
| 01:46.47 | Wormy_ | I'm going to bed soon, but I'll leave you with a vid of Browonski. I fear I've given the wrong impression |
| 01:47.01 | Wormy_ | http://www.infocobuild.com/books-and-films/science/TheAscentOfMan/episode-06.html |
| 01:48.31 | DrodoEmpire | Again, Classical world -was- Europe and the Near East and its an enlightened period |
| 01:48.45 | DrodoEmpire | Restricting it to modern europe is meaningless |
| 01:49.29 | Wormy_ | Well yes, and Islamic empires inherited the knowledge of the classical period |
| 01:51.28 | DrodoEmpire | They did, and they built on it incrementally |
| 01:53.27 | Wormy_ | But science then moved in a poultry fashion that could stabilise for long period, or even regress |
| 01:53.49 | Wormy_ | I think there is a pattern when you compare static vs. dynamic societies |
| 01:54.17 | Wormy_ | Of course, we're not quite in the most dynamic society yet, and it too, could fall |
| 01:55.21 | Wormy_ | What I see with history is a sad reminder of what could have been a better use of human potential. |
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| 02:04.36 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
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| 02:15.04 | Wormydroid | Hi |
| 02:15.29 | Wormydroid | I just remembered the original reason why I brought up Browonoski |
| 02:15.48 | Wormydroid | My tangent left us both astray |
| 02:16.04 | Wormydroid | I don't want to give a bad impression |
| 02:17.06 | Wormydroid | Lemme try again. By critical I meant he asked questions that other academics might have been too politifally correct to |
| 02:17.58 | DrodoEmpire | Hmm |
| 02:17.59 | DrodoEmpire | Right |
| 02:19.19 | Wormydroid | In one episode, the one I linked above, he visited Easter Island. Rarther thain praising or asking questions like "how were they made" or "how did men getvhere", he asks, "why were they all made alike" and why did they not build something like stone henge |
| 02:19.49 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh |
| 02:19.59 | DrodoEmpire | That -is- a very insightful question |
| 02:20.00 | Wormydroid | He explains of course, the lack of a pole star |
| 02:20.10 | DrodoEmpire | Makes sense\ |
| 02:20.28 | DrodoEmpire | When you frame it that way it puts me at ease tbh |
| 02:20.33 | Wormydroid | But also, he ponders why their stonework showed a lack of artistic variation |
| 02:21.23 | DrodoEmpire | Because I was temped to think he shared ideas in common with the quasi-Marxist, postmodernist sorts who reject past intellectual achievements and ideas-- Enlightenment ones or otherwise\ |
| 02:21.31 | Wormydroid | He says "they look like a tape winding down", rude but refreshingly Pc breaking if you adk me |
| 02:21.32 | DrodoEmpire | Hmm fair enough |
| 02:21.40 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah |
| 02:21.51 | DrodoEmpire | No problems with questioning the past |
| 02:22.07 | DrodoEmpire | Really in that sense he's similar to Jared Diamond |
| 02:22.20 | Wormydroid | No not at all, he was a historian of science who praised objectivity both moral and scientific |
| 02:22.31 | DrodoEmpire | Anybody who had a sense of Political Correctness wouldn't -dare- write a book like GGS after all |
| 02:22.39 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh, right |
| 02:22.44 | DrodoEmpire | I assumed, sorry for that |
| 02:22.45 | Wormydroid | In that sense hus questions were critical |
| 02:23.27 | DrodoEmpire | Okay |
| 02:24.12 | Wormydroid | I think you might like his Ascent of Man series, its old and has some outdated ideas, but his approach was rather original |
| 02:24.24 | DrodoEmpire | Hmm alright, I'll take a look |
| 02:24.57 | DrodoEmpire | When was it produced? Just curious |
| 02:25.35 | Wormydroid | 70's |
| 02:25.45 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh, right |
| 02:26.24 | Wormydroid | I think David Attenborough helped produce it |
| 02:26.40 | DrodoEmpire | Oh cool |
| 02:27.38 | DrodoEmpire | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4xRuVUVMAA70vh.jpg ??? |
| 02:27.50 | DrodoEmpire | ImpyDroid2 <.< |
| 02:27.56 | Wormydroid | Goodnight |
| 02:28.04 | DrodoEmpire | Night! |
| 02:28.11 | DrodoEmpire | Nice talking, by the way |
| 02:28.59 | Wormydroid | https://youtu.be/wXwj4jMnWZg |
| 02:29.15 | Wormydroid | Short clip of him talking about dogma |
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| 08:21.39 | ImpyDroid2 | Liquid_Ink: http://i.imgur.com/ivlcloa.jpg |
| 08:21.41 | ImpyDroid2 | There |
| 08:21.58 | Liquid_Ink | Yeah, fascists do love their contradicting logic |
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| 09:46.08 | ImpyDroid | Hi Ghel |
| 09:46.19 | Ghelae | Hello. |
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| 10:11.35 | Treebeard | Hello |
| 10:12.07 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 10:24.37 | ImpyDroid2 | Ghelae: Could you please restore the TheCoalition.png file? |
| 10:25.48 | ImpyDroid2 | I'd like to see what my original Coalition flag concept was |
| 10:28.19 | Ghelae | ImpyDroid2: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:TheCoalition.png |
| 10:29.04 | ImpyDroid2 | It was uglier than I remembered |
| 10:29.09 | ImpyDroid2 | *is |
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| 14:46.07 | ImpyDroid | Charles_Bot: Do parliaments *appoint* prime ministers or elect them? |
| 14:46.15 | ImpyDroid | What is the correct terminology? |
| 14:46.59 | Charles_Bot | Depends on the system, though usually PM's are appointed by heads of state |
| 14:47.15 | Charles_Bot | This is the case in Germany, France, UN |
| 14:47.21 | Charles_Bot | Uk* |
| 14:47.41 | Charles_Bot | Italy |
| 14:48.05 | ImpyDroid | In constitutional monarchies and parliamentary republics, I mean |
| 14:48.22 | Charles_Bot | Yep, Italy |
| 14:48.26 | Charles_Bot | President appoints PM |
| 14:48.33 | Charles_Bot | Same in Germany, I think |
| 14:48.59 | ImpyDroid | Isn't the German President basically useless though |
| 14:49.02 | Charles_Bot | In UK, Queen appoints PM |
| 14:49.12 | Charles_Bot | Yeah, but legally he appoints the PM |
| 14:49.34 | ImpyDroid | Right then |
| 14:49.46 | ImpyDroid | Can't think of any good synonyms to "appoint" |
| 14:50.06 | Charles_Bot | "Name" |
| 14:52.21 | Tek0516 | So according to the foreign language versions (French, Spanish, etc) Star Wars' "The Last Jedi" is actually plural. :O |
| 14:58.31 | ImpyDroid | Huh |
| 14:58.40 | ImpyDroid | We translated it in singular |
| 15:00.36 | Tek0516 | I've seen ones for Spanish, Italian, French, German... |
| 15:01.08 | Tek0516 | Though someone told me they've seen both for Spanish |
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| 15:12.34 | Ghelae | Maybe Disney have decided that for non-English languages, in lieu of the ambiguity that English provides, they'll use inconsistency instead. |
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| 15:23.38 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 15:23.45 | Vall | Hey |
| 15:23.55 | Treebeard | Hello |
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| 15:24.19 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 15:24.28 | dino82_ | hi |
| 15:26.14 | dino82_ | howz all doing |
| 15:26.33 | Ghelae | I'm okay; how about you? |
| 15:42.48 | dino82_ | good as well |
| 15:42.51 | dino82_ | glad that it is weekend |
| 15:42.53 | dino82_ | :p |
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| 15:49.08 | Treebeard | Hello |
| 15:49.21 | Imperios | Hi |
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| 15:49.37 | Jepardi | Hi |
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| 15:51.39 | Treebeard | Hello |
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| 16:01.42 | Wormydroid | Hi |
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| 16:13.17 | dino82_ | hi |
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| 16:23.06 | Imperios | Hachiman: http://img.memecdn.com/sweden-vs-uk_o_341433.jpg |
| 16:23.09 | Imperios | Wormdroid too |
| 16:28.47 | Imperios | OluapPlayer: Is your class order hall just Halls of Valour without bosses or another zone altogether that just has the same aesthetic? |
| 16:29.18 | OluapPlayer | It's an alternate version of the Halls of Valor |
| 16:29.59 | OluapPlayer | It doesn't extend beyond the meadhall, and the area you normally arrive is where warriors choose their champion quests |
| 16:31.18 | OluapPlayer | http://www.wowhead.com/skyhold#map:7813.1 |
| 16:41.13 | Imperios | So that place full of mobs after Hymdall? |
| 16:45.12 | OluapPlayer | That's the meadhall |
| 16:45.29 | OluapPlayer | The paths to the val'kyr boss and Fenryr are closed in the Skyhold |
| 16:46.03 | OluapPlayer | Which's a shame, it'd be interesting to be able to explore them |
| 16:51.19 | dino82_ | test |
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| 17:06.58 | Monet | Hi |
| 17:11.47 | Wormydroid | Hi |
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| 17:45.43 | NeonPanda | hi all |
| 17:45.47 | Ghel | Hi |
| 17:46.01 | NeonPanda | Monet: found an Ocelot Jackal (the Jag) after about half an hour of searching |
| 17:55.25 | Treebeard | Hello |
| 17:56.49 | Monet | NeonPanda:sweet |
| 17:57.13 | NeonPanda | next time we play I might need to borrow your Exemplar for a bit to test drive it, if you're okay with that of course |
| 17:57.34 | Monet | I'm fine with that |
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| 17:58.58 | Monet | Hi |
| 17:59.15 | Cyrannian | Hello everyone |
| 17:59.16 | Ghel | Hello. |
| 18:00.42 | OluapPlayer_ | ~eat Cyrannian |
| 18:00.43 | infobot | That's too disgusting. |
| 18:00.50 | Cyrannian | ~hug OluapPlayer_ |
| 18:00.50 | infobot | ACTION hugs OluapPlayer_ |
| 18:04.21 | Treebeard | Hello |
| 18:14.15 | OluapPlayer_ | Imperios: I'm reading Wowhead's post on the paladin class mount, apparently it's a purified version of Rivendare's undead horse |
| 18:14.18 | OluapPlayer_ | That's interesting |
| 18:25.40 | OluapPlayer_ | Also I only just discovered the Rivendales at Strathoume and Naxxramas are separate characters |
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| 18:25.45 | OluapPlayer_ | I always thought they were the same guy |
| 18:30.10 | Imperios | Monet: These fucking Alt-Right groups in the *Russian* internet |
| 18:30.25 | Imperios | What is even the point of Alt-Right in a country that is already right-wing? |
| 18:30.32 | OluapPlayer_ | Don't ignore me yo |
| 18:31.11 | Imperios | OluapPlayer_: Rivendare in Naxxramas replaced a different guy |
| 18:31.15 | Imperios | Renault and Darion's dad to be precise |
| 18:31.40 | OluapPlayer_ | I'm aware but I thought the Strat and Naxx Rivendales were the same person |
| 18:31.51 | OluapPlayer_ | Strat Rivendale is apparently Naxx Rivendale's son |
| 18:32.03 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:32.24 | Imperios | Yeah but these aren't traditional, wholesome Russian Neo-N |
| 18:32.36 | Imperios | These are... people who desperately want to be in Europe I assume |
| 18:32.41 | OluapPlayer_ | Paladins travel to Strathoume and recover Strat Rivendale's remains, then bring his horse back from the dead as their class mount |
| 18:33.00 | Imperios | Why complain about Europe's LGBT sensitivity problems? |
| 18:33.07 | Imperios | If your country is one of the most homophobic in the world? |
| 18:33.50 | OluapPlayer_ | As far as I can tell the warrior class mount's quest is super boring in comparison |
| 18:34.08 | OluapPlayer_ | It's just an arena quest where you have to fight some NPCs one on one for the glory of ODYN |
| 18:34.30 | Monet | Imperios: can't explain off the top of my head |
| 18:34.48 | OluapPlayer_ | Do quest and be rewarded with the derpiest-looking proto-drake ever conceived |
| 18:35.06 | Imperios | OluapPlayer: [VALOR INTENSIFIES] |
| 18:35.33 | OluapPlayer_ | fukin vikings |
| 18:36.22 | OluapPlayer_ | What's the monk mount again? |
| 18:36.58 | Imperios | Like the Shado-Pan Tiger but brighter |
| 18:37.25 | OluapPlayer_ | A flying tiger? |
| 18:37.29 | Imperios | http://www.bestial-wrath.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/582918.jpg |
| 18:37.39 | Imperios | I believe it will be able to fly yes |
| 18:37.52 | OluapPlayer_ | All the class mounts can fly I think |
| 18:37.58 | OluapPlayer_ | Looks cool though |
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| 18:40.22 | Cyrannian | Hello |
| 18:40.29 | Vall | Hey! |
| 18:40.44 | OluapPlayer | http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2016/november/LegionWhatsNext053.jpg I really don't like the face of the warrior mount though |
| 18:40.55 | OluapPlayer | Proto-drakes look perfect already, that just looks "hurhurhurhur" |
| 18:41.44 | NeonPanda | Gogo Retard Lion gives way to Gogo Retard Dragon? |
| 18:42.06 | NeonPanda | which by the way, if that's actually a thing, is my favourite sporting cheer ever |
| 18:42.59 | NeonPanda | still 2 hours before market food |
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| 18:46.22 | drom | [Searching for individual named 'Xho'...] |
| 18:47.13 | NeonPanda | actually, is anyone in this community Finnish? |
| 18:47.17 | drom | And nothing turns up on my sensors |
| 18:47.32 | drom | There are, NeonPanda. |
| 18:47.37 | drom | points at Jepardi |
| 18:47.54 | NeonPanda | Jepardi: is this true? if so I have a question |
| 18:50.57 | Jepardi | Kyllä |
| 18:51.28 | Jepardi | What was the question? |
| 18:52.15 | NeonPanda | Is it true that "go retard(ed) lion!" is actually a Finnish cheer, referencing your coat of arms? |
| 18:52.58 | Jepardi | I don't think so, could be wrong though. |
| 18:53.16 | Jepardi | Haven't heard that one ever before |
| 18:53.57 | NeonPanda | I'm going to consciously assume the latter, because it's too funny |
| 18:55.22 | OluapPlayer | Imperios Monet: https://twitter.com/Warcraft/status/832635844645134336 moo |
| 18:56.09 | Imperios | NeonPanda: The retarded lion actually symbolises victory over Russia |
| 18:56.25 | Imperios | It tramples a Russian saber |
| 18:56.36 | Imperios | ...Not sure if stepping on a sword makes him more retarded |
| 18:56.37 | NeonPanda | Jepardi: also, I appreciate the fact that your language permits "I wonder if I should run around aimlessly?" to be expressed in a single word |
| 18:56.47 | Imperios | Agglutinative |
| 18:57.00 | Imperios | Agglutinative languages allow highly complex words |
| 18:57.12 | Imperios | Finnish got nothing on Native Americans doe |
| 19:00.23 | drom | .. I should learn to be lingustic with more fascinating languages |
| 19:02.13 | Wormy_ | Great news, nerds. We will soon be able to use the computer and internet while we sleep! https://www.newscientist.com/article/2120995-i-can-control-a-computer-with-my-mind-from-inside-a-dream/?utm_campaign=webpush&utm_source=NSNS&utm_medium=ILC&campaign_id=ILC%7CNSNS%7C2016-GLOBAL-webpush-feed |
| 19:02.36 | Monet | Oh lovely |
| 19:02.46 | OluapPlayer | Fucking fantastic |
| 19:05.21 | Wormy_ | Imagine if we could combine dreams, virtual reality, internet and brain-computer interaces! |
| 19:05.50 | Wormy_ | That is something Terence Mckenna would have talked aboiut 5 hours if he was still alie |
| 19:05.56 | Wormy_ | alive |
| 19:06.45 | drom | Wormy_: Oh I would love to reimagine the pictures in my to a computer screen |
| 19:06.47 | Wormy_ | It could be a new dimension to explore inner space, and the aliens and angels within |
| 19:07.32 | Wormy_ | and inner space turned inside out and expressed as media on the internet to transform the world |
| 19:08.39 | Monet | already parents. Employers and doctors worry about how much people use social media as they go to bed |
| 19:09.05 | Wormy_ | Perhaps culture and inner experience could co-evolve as a new complicity, emerging us into a new phase space in the noosphere and communalesness |
| 19:09.32 | Wormy_ | just as cultures and ideas have |
| 19:12.25 | drom | Monet: "I went through a funky landscape with rainbows and got eaten by a celestial bear last night. #dank" |
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| 19:13.04 | Luxor | evening |
| 19:13.11 | drom | With the timepaste "5 mins ago" and it is 1 am into the night |
| 19:13.19 | drom | imagine that |
| 19:14.27 | Monet | try 4am |
| 19:17.12 | drom | I am awake by that time - almost. |
| 19:18.13 | Monet | I've known friends who get by on only4 hours a day, so they claim |
| 19:18.29 | drom | Isn't it lovely when you wake up to a nice morning and get yourself more cozy in your own bed. Only to wake up again and see the clock has run at least one hour forward and you don't remember it? |
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| 19:18.52 | Luxor | That's kind of feeling I get everyday |
| 19:19.23 | drom | I had this feeling, like three times this morning |
| 19:20.23 | drom | "7:21 am? Nah, I'll turn over and flip my cushion with its cold side up." |
| 19:21.21 | drom | "9:20 am? Nice, let me little cozy as I enjoy the last minutes in my bed before getting up." |
| 19:21.54 | drom | And then I realize I had dreamed and see the clock is like 11:10 am. |
| 19:22.21 | Wormy_ | I imagine if we could propagate dreams across the internet, they could last and keep evolving through error and other people's VR / dream experiences |
| 19:22.35 | drom | And make "Remember Me" a reality |
| 19:24.42 | NeonPanda | Monet: Theoretically, about 1% of the western population has a genetic mutation that allows them to function fully on four to six hours of sleep |
| 19:25.04 | drom | So called the "sleep elite" |
| 19:25.42 | Monet | NeonPanda: and I know several |
| 19:26.03 | Monet | the elite band together |
| 19:26.40 | Wormy_ | If I'd taken the Mixed Reality module I could probably do my thesis on the application of BCI to dreams |
| 19:30.15 | drom | That reminds me |
| 19:30.43 | drom | Don't you have to do a thesis for Bachelor's degree? |
| 19:30.57 | drom | And then make another one if you want to upgrade the degree to Master's? |
| 19:31.01 | Wormy_ | Yes, I did a dissertation |
| 19:31.09 | Wormy_ | Got 90% for it |
| 19:31.15 | drom | Nice |
| 19:31.47 | drom | I wonder if my university offers continuation programmes to Master's |
| 19:32.04 | drom | Because I don't find any for the one I am studying. |
| 19:32.32 | Wormy_ | My question was on the scientific uses of simulation and visualisation with game engines and software like Maya; and why they produce emergent effects with accuracy useful enough for data-informed hypotheses or exploratory models |
| 19:32.59 | drom | Worst case would be transfering to an other university by applying for a similar programme but a higher degree. |
| 19:33.03 | Wormy_ | I'm probably going to extend my Master's thesis on some new questions that came into light at the end |
| 19:33.54 | Wormy_ | You could always finish your degree at that uni, and then do a masters elsewhere |
| 19:33.59 | drom | Ph.D sounds nice and all. But I am scared it is beyond my ability. |
| 19:34.19 | Wormy_ | Well, you have step through and up |
| 19:34.50 | Wormy_ | If I did well on a Masters I would have confidence about a Ph.D |
| 19:35.10 | Luxor | You won't know if you are good enough for that if you won't try. |
| 19:35.10 | Wormy_ | Sadly I'm not doing very well to tell you the truth |
| 19:35.24 | Luxor | ...and yes, I understand that trying is not the best way to check that |
| 19:35.25 | drom | Yeah, I already have one in my sights. They do even accept people who already has a bachelors degree in the same field, tailoring a special education plan for them depending on what they had taken in their last university. |
| 19:35.47 | Wormy_ | My background in CS wa\s a little weak and I had to step up really far to keep up |
| 19:36.11 | Wormy_ | But the subjects are more focused and research based now, which is what I'm better at |
| 19:37.22 | drom | I find myself too bad at mathematics. I am afraid. |
| 19:37.34 | drom | Despite the good grades lately. |
| 19:37.36 | Wormy_ | I am bad at code |
| 19:37.42 | Luxor | numberphile & 1blue3brown at youtube |
| 19:38.00 | Luxor | you'll quickly expand your knowledge and understanding of maths |
| 19:38.21 | Wormy_ | numberphile is made from lecturers from my university |
| 19:38.36 | Wormy_ | Different campus though |
| 19:39.02 | Wormy_ | I've met some of the computerphile people |
| 19:39.32 | Wormy_ | I've also met Philip Moriarity at pub science talks, from the physics channel |
| 19:40.29 | drom | I had meet a lecturer who was one of the authors of a mathematics book used by many mathematics courses in Sweden. |
| 19:41.18 | NeonPanda | My microbio lecturer wrote the textbook, little wonder why we used it :P |
| 19:41.19 | drom | Although I didn't read that much in the material provided by courses. I mostly did trail and error calculations on old examination material. |
| 19:41.38 | Wormy_ | I got one of my posts liked by David Deutsch, a physicist I'm a fan of (not sure if being fan of scientists is a healthy thing though). Suffice to say I was tremendously pleased he noticed me |
| 19:42.11 | Luxor | I'm sure it's healthy |
| 19:42.25 | drom | Just uncommon sense |
| 19:43.31 | Wormy_ | I've tried to criticise his works and read rival positions, but his arguments are stronger or it turns out I hadn't understood enough |
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| 19:50.12 | Luxor | > http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/8/84/CRE_Ipidio_Arthrocaspis.png/revision/latest?cb=20170217194919 |
| 19:50.15 | Luxor | > http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/a/a7/CRE_Bificafin_Anguliplani.png/revision/latest?cb=20170217194642 |
| 19:50.31 | Technobliterator | Being at home is boring :V |
| 19:50.49 | Luxor | Any thoughts? |
| 19:50.56 | Luxor | I'm far more proud of the second one tbh |
| 19:52.24 | Technobliterator | Both pretty good, I think the first is a little better though |
| 19:53.09 | Luxor | Before making these I've firstly thought about what taxon should they even belong to. |
| 19:53.47 | Luxor | and... I came to an Arthropod & Amphibian/Reptile. |
| 19:54.33 | Wormy_ | Monet, Ghel: "The internet is a net to catch the alien, and the alien, and the way you catch the alien is by writing the weirdest code you can think of. Lets set out to make a virtual reality as alien as you could possibly make it ... and the end result would be so alien, it would be the alien" https://youtu.be/-uJNTWzy8WQ?t=19m40s - 25:05 |
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| 20:04.46 | drom | Wormy_: Use LISP |
| 20:04.48 | drom | problem solved |
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| 20:09.03 | drom | Wormy_ Monet Ghel: https://www.quora.com/If-we-found-an-alien-artifact-using-a-programming-language-unknown-to-us-how-would-we-reverse-engineer-it |
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| 20:10.23 | Monet | Hi |
| 20:10.33 | Monet | Drom: Nice curveball on that first answer |
| 20:10.37 | dino82_ | hmm lost connection |
| 20:10.43 | dino82_ | seem to have that problem more oftne these last few eeks |
| 20:10.45 | dino82_ | and hi! |
| 20:11.04 | Luxor | drom something for you https://out.reddit.com/t3_5umn5s?url=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FGnn2p8v.jpg&token=AQAAjmanWFCdiK0PaH90dW6uoCDNa8wG7JiMejJiaGaXcBxfS_AV&app_name=reddit.com |
| 20:11.14 | drom | Monet: Chris' answer, yeah? |
| 20:11.20 | Luxor | why won't they make reddit links shorter... |
| 20:11.45 | Monet | drom: Yeah |
| 20:11.50 | drom | It is a referral link, Luxor |
| 20:11.57 | Luxor | yeah, just noticed. |
| 20:12.43 | drom | Monet: I wish to add that the last bit of the second answer, Reese's, is hilarious. |
| 20:14.06 | Ghel | I wouldn't say that Earth life is literally alien technology, but it's basically right. Of course, as pointed out, reverse-engineering the DNA-RNA-protein system is made a lot easier by having limitless amounts of it. |
| 20:14.24 | drom | Luxor: I am actually happy that they have the '%' button |
| 20:14.31 | drom | But does it do modulus? |
| 20:14.46 | Luxor | if you beat the boss, presumably. |
| 20:14.54 | Luxor | the c a l c u l u s |
| 20:15.34 | drom | I am already doing calculus. :V |
| 20:16.33 | drom | Making derivates out of integrated functions is like resisting a bad habit |
| 20:19.28 | drom | Integrated functions, as in euler's number with the power cos(x) (e^cos(x)) |
| 20:19.39 | drom | And that was an example |
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| 20:20.09 | Luxor | my router screams |
| 20:20.17 | drom | <drom> I am already doing calculus. :V |
| 20:20.17 | drom | <drom> Making derivates out of integrated functions is like resisting a bad habit |
| 20:20.17 | drom | * Luxor has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 20:20.17 | drom | <drom> Integrated functions, as in euler's number with the power cos(x) (e^cos(x)) |
| 20:20.17 | drom | <drom> And that was an example |
| 20:20.27 | drom | In case you missed |
| 20:20.36 | Luxor | na |
| 20:21.23 | Ghel | So you're talking about doing d/dx e^cos(x) ? |
| 20:21.48 | drom | Yeah, the answer would be -sin(x) * e^cos(x), if the knowledge doesn't fail me |
| 20:21.54 | Ghel | Correct. |
| 20:22.22 | Ghel | de^cos(x)/dcos(x) * dcos(x)/dx |
| 20:22.47 | drom | I prefer writting them as (d/dx)(<function>) |
| 20:22.54 | Luxor | https://i.redd.it/s05y6b3j1cgy.png |
| 20:24.10 | drom | Is that supposed to be (d/dx) * (e^cos(x)/cos(x) * cos(x)), Ghelae? |
| 20:24.37 | Ghel | No, I mean that's how you calculate d/dx e^cos(x). |
| 20:24.59 | drom | Oh |
| 20:25.11 | Ghel | d/dx e^cos(x) = (d/dcos(x) e^cos(x)) * (d/dx cos(x)). And you can easily confirm that's -sin(x) * e^cos(x). |
| 20:25.39 | drom | In that case then I redefine that as d/dx f'(g(x) * g'(x) |
| 20:25.50 | drom | Errr |
| 20:26.02 | drom | f'(g(x)) * g'(x) actually |
| 20:26.37 | drom | But it is still d/dx f(g(x)) |
| 20:28.11 | drom | Where f is e^x and g is cos(x) |
| 20:30.13 | drom | Boy |
| 20:30.31 | drom | Will I ever love Maclaurin and Taylor expansions |
| 20:36.42 | Luxor | ..ugh. It seems I have to make 16 more species for URN. |
| 20:36.49 | Luxor | Any suggestions are welcome |
| 20:37.52 | drom | Wormy_: Today I was able to joy 10 kms despite months and months of inactivity |
| 20:37.57 | Hachiman | Imperios: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Tales_of_Champions/New_Age#Khara:_Halfblooded_Bastard Behold, Khara's first appearance in fiction |
| 20:37.58 | drom | I feel damn confident |
| 20:55.21 | drom | I really need Xho so I can get an other perspective on the Kurinnurii. Like, how do other species on Tuuros view them, and such. |
| 22:12.34 | DrodoAway | test |
| 22:13.07 | DrodoEmpire | pizzagate is REAL <.< |
| 22:13.10 | DrodoEmpire | in other news hi |
| 22:15.22 | Monet | hi |
| 22:21.45 | Tek0516 | DrodoEmpire: O.o I googled pizzagate, top result is Wikipedia then the rest goes maximum alt-right. |
| 22:22.08 | DrodoEmpire | muh alt right |
| 22:22.09 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
| 22:22.19 | DrodoEmpire | To be fair, I'm skeptical too |
| 22:22.39 | DrodoEmpire | But I don't dismiss it out of hand because similar things have happened |
| 22:23.01 | DrodoEmpire | Also never trust wikipedia when it comes to controversial topics, they get it wrong consistently |
| 22:23.31 | Tek0516 | I'm not inherently ruling it out, just the the google search goes full alt-right very quickly. XD |
| 22:24.46 | DrodoEmpire | Not really |
| 22:24.50 | DrodoEmpire | But okay :p |
| 22:45.40 | Technobliterator | Oh, Ghel, the Business of War remake is currently a thing if you weren't aware :o |
| 22:46.12 | Technobliterator | So we will need to get the Apalos proxy PMC involved |
| 22:46.22 | Technobliterator | and in fact, lots of other users' PMCs need to be involved |
| 22:50.40 | drom | Pizzagate? I think I saw a large image explaining that |
| 22:50.51 | drom | It was a wild ride reading it |
| 22:53.34 | Imperios | http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/c/c2/Coalition_Flag.png/revision/latest?cb=20170217225146 Behold |
| 22:53.46 | Imperios | I remembered the cat people exist, woo |
| 22:53.54 | Technobliterator | Coalition? :o |
| 22:55.29 | Imperios | Yeah, remember them? |
| 22:56.48 | drom | I remembered creating a species that are basically fat frogs who love to get drunk |
| 22:56.53 | drom | remember, even |
| 22:57.46 | drom | able to consume copious amounts before getting signs of severe poisoning |
| 23:01.28 | Technobliterator | I do not |
| 23:02.30 | *** join/#sporewiki NeonPanda (3ce6aeb1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.60.230.174.177) |
| 23:03.00 | NeonPanda | hi all |
| 23:04.55 | drom | Hey hey |
| 23:05.09 | drom | Cyberpunk much, NeonPanda? |
| 23:06.31 | Monet | Angry kitties. |
| 23:08.01 | Monet | I remember ze angry kitties. |
| 23:09.27 | Ghel | Technobliterator: Yeah, okay. I could tell it was coming but I didn't know when it was starting. |
| 23:10.03 | Technobliterator | The Borealis War's subpages are no longer named after the title, they're just named Part 1, Part 2 etc |
| 23:10.07 | Technobliterator | Part 2 is Business of War |
| 23:10.21 | Technobliterator | So I can see why people might not be able to tell just from RecentChanges |
| 23:10.49 | Imperios | Techonbliterator: Japanese/Mongolian furries |
| 23:11.00 | Imperios | Who hate Radeons |
| 23:11.06 | Technobliterator | I see |
| 23:20.00 | Wormy_ | back |
| 23:20.49 | drom | Imperios: "Stupid big bad rats" |
| 23:20.49 | Ghel | No, I do read the story. It's probably more that I don't remember the plot of the original Business of War except that there were PMCs involved. |
| 23:21.26 | NeonPanda | drom: it took you that long? |
| 23:22.02 | Hachiman | Imperios: Oh cool |
| 23:22.16 | Hachiman | also, please read khara thing? ;-; |
| 23:23.08 | drom | NeonPanda: Pretty sure it was something I knew for long time without asking you. Also, neon glowing furries. |
| 23:23.40 | NeonPanda | the neon part comes from my obsession with the cyberpunk genre (and game), the panda part comes from my old-school XBox tag |
| 23:23.49 | NeonPanda | nothing to do with glowing sexual deviants |
| 23:24.26 | drom | Ah, the good ol' days you could change your XBox tag |
| 23:24.38 | Wormy_ | back |
| 23:25.04 | Wormy_ | goldfish.gif |
| 23:25.38 | drom | But yes. NeonPanda. Cyberpunk isn't cyberpunk without someone wearing obnoxiously neon sunglasses that glow in the dark. |
| 23:26.07 | NeonPanda | screw neon mirrorshades, you get neon underlighting for your cyberware |
| 23:26.35 | NeonPanda | no better way to advertise "bitch I've got a twelve-millimetre SMG under this armour plate" than making it evidently clear it's a pop-up armour plate XD |
| 23:28.00 | drom | Alienware TVs, Alienware mobiles, Alienware cars - Alienware everywhere |
| 23:28.13 | Hachiman | So, it seems Ubisoft have actually done something right considering For Honor actually looks decent at the very least |
| 23:31.55 | Wormy_ | drom, Ghelae: If it came to deciphering the purpose of alien technology or code, and I'm thinking of some information storage mechanism, but it could be more general, we better hope that it contains some interpretation layer that will provide a necessary context. I doubt the meaning of human DNA would be revealed if it was just binary code on a carrier wave. But somehow preserved as a DNA molecule, might give aliens with knowle |
| 23:31.59 | Wormy_ | necessary context |
| 23:32.00 | Wormy_ | damnit |
| 23:33.50 | Wormy_ | However, a technology that worked on a basis with little or no context to any knowledge we have now, would take much longer to be understood. We might search for sources of energy or information flow, and find noise |
| 23:34.10 | Wormy_ | The context would have come to develop first |
| 23:34.38 | Wormy_ | As already stated, DNA-based life is everywhere and we had all the knowledge there to begin deciphering |
| 23:35.05 | Wormy_ | With alien technology, it might not be so easy |
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| 23:39.41 | drom | Right now I am imagining stations for the Kurinnurii Technocracy |
| 23:41.23 | drom | One of the designs I've in my mind is pretty much a trope of a cylindrical design, except it resembles more of a spinning spire. |
