IRC log for #sporewiki on 20170215

00:00.00Groxkiller98Arakkoa have no reason to fight for the Alliance,
00:00.01OluapPlayer_I know Metzen wanted playable ogres in Cataclysm but that never went ahead
00:00.08XhoHachiman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAibbSOlGZ4 >tfw elven fighter vs Longinus
00:00.15OluapPlayer_Bad blood with orcs is enough reason
00:00.19Groxkiller98Arrakoa have no reason to come to Azeroth.
00:00.36Groxkiller98And have bad blood with everyone.
00:00.45Monet_2I remember one April Fools advertised playing two-headed ogres.
00:00.58OluapPlayer_Sure if you want to be close minded and believe changes can't be made
00:00.58ImpyDroidGroxkiller98: Their planet is a bunch of rocks flying in space
00:01.00Groxkiller98Alliance and Horde killed their god. >_>
00:01.07Monet_2Basically you'd share a character with someone else and each of you controls a side of it.
00:01.15Groxkiller98They have no reason to like either side.
00:01.20ImpyDroidThat's a pretty good reason to come to Azeroth
00:01.33XhoQuite funny actually because Longinus' face is also burned on one side
00:01.35DrodoEmpireAlright
00:01.39XhoLonginus is now The Hound
00:01.40DrodoEmpireMaking a neo-Aztec character
00:01.43Groxkiller98Maybe. Anyway, it's midnight here. I'm off to bed.
00:01.45Groxkiller98Night.
00:01.45DrodoEmpireWhat name sounds better
00:01.49ImpyDroidGroxkiller98: Consider this: we have at least three races which represent a tiny minority of their populations as a whole
00:02.08ImpyDroidWith the rest of said populations being absolutely evil and hostile
00:02.13OluapPlayer_He's gone
00:02.14HachimanIf Ximicacan is not an option, I'll be disappointed
00:02.16ImpyDroidUndead, draenei and trolls
00:02.31DrodoEmpireZolin; Yolotli; Ozomatli; or Cipactli
00:02.37DrodoEmpireno >8D
00:02.47HachimanI like Ozomatli and Yolotli personally
00:02.52XhoYolotli
00:02.59HachimanAlthough I'm probably pronouncing them wrong in my head
00:03.11DrodoEmpireNahuatl's weird yeah
00:03.13DrodoEmpire(And yes yo
00:03.23DrodoEmpire*you're pronouncing "Nahuatl" wrong)
00:03.27Monet_2Xho: Interestingly what happened with the sword makes sense
00:03.35ImpyDroidI wonder how female ogres would look like
00:03.44ImpyDroidAnd/or if anyone will play them
00:03.44Monet_2Sansa basically stabbed the centre of a plate.
00:03.48HachimanHow is 'Nahuatl' and 'tl' pronounced
00:03.49DrodoEmpireSo that's... 1.5 for Yolotli
00:04.02DrodoEmpire0.5 for Ozomatli
00:04.02HachimanMonet: Arya
00:04.07OluapPlayer_WoD shows arakkoa are capable of diplomacy so they joining the Alliance or Horde isn't super far-fetched. But since an orc destroyed Drenor, I imagine they'd turn to the Alliance over the Horde
00:04.09DrodoEmpireAnybody else?
00:04.10Xho*thunk*
00:04.10ImpyDroidNa-wa-TLLLL
00:04.19Monet_2Hachiman: Cheers, got them mixed up.
00:04.21XhoDrodoEmpire: It's like a very suppressed 'ch' sound
00:04.30XhoIn modern Nahuatl anyway
00:04.34OluapPlayer_Actually no, we had good arakkoa since Burning Crusade
00:04.44DrodoEmpireThe "li"?
00:04.46Xhotl
00:04.50DrodoEmpireAhh
00:04.52DrodoEmpireRight
00:05.05XhoOh that was Hachi that asked the question
00:05.08XhoWell there you go
00:05.16DrodoEmpireYeah I knew it was something to that effect
00:05.33XhoAlthough it's not constructed as 'ch' since the tongue shapes itself against the teeth
00:05.42DrodoEmpireRight
00:05.46Monet_2Well done Arys for stabbing the Hound in the most protected part of the armour.
00:05.52Monet_2Arya*
00:05.52OluapPlayer_ImpyDroid: I can see male ogres being really popular
00:06.04OluapPlayer_Female ogres though, would probably join female dwarves in "never used ever"
00:06.53XhoAlthough when tl is used somewhere else then the l sounds out
00:06.56ImpyDroidI actually wanted Mezzalt to be a female dwarf originally
00:07.12Xhohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL790d3MECI Eh there we go
00:07.16HachimanNothing wrong with female dwarves
00:07.20OluapPlayer_female gnomes are qter
00:07.24ImpyDroidAnd I have a female orc
00:07.25DrodoEmpireJust had the same video up <.<
00:07.29Xhogog
00:07.32Xhohoh even
00:07.39XhoJust spurdo'd hoh
00:07.45Xhogog :DDDDDDD
00:07.49DrodoEmpireX--DDDDDD
00:07.51DrodoEmpirestob
00:08.01ImpyDroidNot sure why
00:08.04OluapPlayer_I never see female dwarves, or goblins of both genders
00:08.09DrodoEmpireIt -is- a pretty language though
00:08.15Monet_2I've see na few female dwarves
00:08.22ImpyDroidI need to level my adds
00:08.24DrodoEmpireEven if the spelling makes it sound... scary <.<
00:08.30OluapPlayer_In all these months i must've witnessed about 5 goblins total
00:08.34DrodoEmpireThe same way Dutch spelling is funny
00:08.36ImpyDroidMy panda priest is 108
00:08.44XhoXimicacan
00:08.51OluapPlayer_SLOW DOWN
00:08.54ImpyDroidShould be over soon, almost done doing errands for FUCKING ODYN
00:09.02OluapPlayer_PROVE YOUR VALAR
00:09.19Xhois it not spelled valour or are we making a pun
00:09.20OluapPlayer_twice even, first in a dungeon and then in a raid
00:09.22OluapPlayer_because vikings
00:09.29DrodoEmpire"Ziimikakaaaaannn" <- Dutch spelling, basically
00:09.42ImpyDroidOluapPlayer_: >life is to be savoured >shadow priest
00:09.43XhoIf Dino was here he'd slap u silly
00:09.50DrodoEmpirehur I know
00:09.57OluapPlayer_Pandaren shadow priest
00:10.03OluapPlayer_That sounds like a fever dream
00:10.17Hachimantfw no evil pandaren monks
00:10.28ImpyDroidI wanted to have an evil pandaren l
00:10.33OluapPlayer_Can't get evil, otherwise sha will literally destroy the land
00:10.34XhoHachiman: If Tekken's anything to go by they just skin change into actual bears
00:10.44DrodoEmpireAllright
00:10.47Hachimanhur
00:10.47DrodoEmpireFinal votes
00:10.48ImpyDroidI actually want him to be sha-themed
00:10.51DrodoEmpire3
00:10.53DrodoEmpire2
00:10.55DrodoEmpire1
00:10.59XhoXIMICACAN
00:11.00HachimanOzomatli
00:11.00ImpyDroidYolotli
00:11.05XhoYolotli
00:11.10OluapPlayer_your waifu a shit
00:11.20DrodoEmpireYolotli it is
00:11.21HachimanI ' M  G A Y
00:11.30Xhoshinitai
00:11.31DrodoEmpiregit fuked hachi >8))
00:11.46ImpyDroidOluapPlayer: I am going to get this sha geared from MoP raids
00:12.00ImpyDroidAnd then this glyph that makes my guardian a sha
00:12.05OluapPlayer_Mop of pandaria
00:12.13OluapPlayer_I wanted to invite you to go achievement hunting again
00:12.14ImpyDroidAnd then a sha pet if I manage to find one
00:12.33OluapPlayer_There are two sha pets in Siege of Orgrimmar
00:12.38OluapPlayer_But they're rare drops
00:13.22DrodoEmpireNow what military order should Yolotli be a part of
00:13.41DrodoEmpireJaguar knight or a Cuachicqueh
00:13.51XhoWhat's a Cuachiqueh agian
00:13.53Xhoagain
00:14.01DrodoEmpireAn elite military order like the Jaguars
00:14.02XhoCuachicqueh even
00:14.07XhoHm dunno
00:14.12DrodoEmpireApparently it means "the shorn ones"
00:14.39HachimanWeren't there also eagle warriors
00:14.41OluapPlayer_ImpyDroid: http://www.wowhead.com/item=104163/gooey-sha-ling http://www.wowhead.com/item=104162/droplet-of-yshaarj good luck m8
00:14.43DrodoEmpireYeah
00:14.44DrodoEmpireBut eh
00:14.51DrodoEmpireI might go with him being a jaguar because that's pretty much the iconic depiction of the Aztec warrior
00:14.55HachimanAye
00:15.12Xho>inb4 actual anthropomorphic jaguar
00:15.16XhoKING EXPY
00:16.10HachimanWears the head of a mutated jaguar beats
00:16.12Hachimanbeast
00:16.14Xhohttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a0/King_Tekken_6.jpg You know this guy
00:16.49HachimanDo you even Armor King
00:17.10Xholol no
00:17.14OluapPlayer_ImpyDroid: If you try and farm these, we should use the opportunity to try and get Glory of the Orgrimmar Raider so we can have https://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/wow.gamepedia.com/1/1c/Reins_of_Galakras.jpg?version=0f911fb664ec98ae458a0bac2796733c this
00:17.53OluapPlayer_Proto-Drakes = bae
00:18.49DrodoEmpireHonestly its gonna be very interesting to see a guy dressed in a Jaguar onesie fight mercenaries and demons with an obsidian-lined cricket bat
00:19.26HachimanGonna look a bit ridiculous
00:20.17HachimanI dare someone to find me cool art or concepts for Aztec jaguar warriors because from what I know of them, they look fucking stupid hur
00:20.43DrodoEmpireComing from the guy who has a blue-furred, katana toting rabbit >8D
00:20.49HachimanI mean
00:20.50HachimanYes
00:20.53DrodoEmpirehur
00:21.08OluapPlayer_Hachi is qt tho
00:21.57DrodoEmpireNah I actually kinda like the outfit
00:22.07DrodoEmpireAlso Hachiman - https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/fc/1a/4b/fc1a4ba65cef3b7938e349bedb3b49af.jpg ?
00:22.19DrodoEmpireHonestly that's probably fairly historically accurate
00:22.34DrodoEmpirehttp://www.ancientmilitary.com/images/aztec-warriors.jpg few more, these are -definitely- accurate
00:22.46DrodoEmpireIts easy to make sounds ridiculous though <.<
00:22.49DrodoEmpire*sound
00:23.03HachimanI mean, the cloak is cool but those just look so
00:23.15HachimanThey're wearing fucking pyjamas
00:23.31DrodoEmpirehur
00:23.36XhoDoesn't have to be historically accurate for the A E S T H E T I C
00:24.14DrodoEmpirehttp://news.tacticalgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/aztec-eagle-warrior.jpg eagle warrior. This any better? xD
00:24.32Monet_2And in the broader fiction verse we have soldiers wearing armour and morph suits.
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00:25.16DrodoEmpireI dunno, maybe just a matter of taste. These were elite warriors, anyhow
00:25.51DrodoEmpireMost didn't have such an exotic kit
00:25.57ImpyDroidDrodoEmpire Hachiman: Artharon heads
00:26.26DrodoEmpireFor the Neo-Aztecs? o.O
00:27.28DrodoEmpireI mean as weird as ti sounds I never considered up until now how they may adopt alien wildlife as mythical inspirations as well
00:37.05OluapPlayer_ImpyDroid: Have you seen the giant widow spider mount?
00:39.50OluapPlayer_Guess he's gone
00:40.13OluapPlayer_Monet_2: I take you haven't seen the giant spider mount
00:46.00OluapPlayer_fukin peeps wont talk
00:51.47DrodoEmpireHonestly Keemstar's original Halo trolling video-- the one that got him internet famous in the first place-- is fucking amazing
00:51.53DrodoEmpireHe just talks mad shit the entire goddamn time
00:52.11Monet_2OluapPlayer: I haven't no
00:54.17OluapPlayer_Monet_2: It's something you can get from a vendor in Legion
00:54.20DrodoEmpire"LAST TIME I SAW FAILURE LIKE THAT IT WAS A PARAPLEGIC TRYING TO PUT ON A WRIST WATCH"
00:54.20OluapPlayer_Try and guess how much it costs
00:54.29DrodoEmpireJust
00:54.34DrodoEmpireJesus christ
00:55.22Monet_2200,000 gold
00:55.34OluapPlayer_2,000,000
00:55.38OluapPlayer_Two MILLION gold
00:55.41Monet_2I was one zero out
00:55.52OluapPlayer_Literally how
00:55.57Monet_2My spychic powers hath failed me.
00:56.02OluapPlayer_The fact I've actually seen people with it baffles me
00:56.02Monet_2psychic*
00:56.14Monet_2OluapPlayer: Inflation.
00:56.59Monet_2Back in ye olde days an item going on sale for 14,000 gold was a near impossibility.
00:57.13Monet_23000+ gold was serious bank
01:00.05OluapPlayer_2 million gold though
01:00.29Monet_2They are the 0.1% of the WoW community.
01:00.33OluapPlayer_Also, not only it's the most expensive thing the game has ever seen, the vendor himself is a rare spawn
01:00.59OluapPlayer_Apparently he can go days without spawning
01:01.02Monet_2So you have to catch him
01:01.14OluapPlayer_He pops up randomly in Dalaran
01:02.09OluapPlayer_I've been struggling to keep myself at ~10,000 gold, 2 million is outright ridiculous
01:04.43Cyrannianhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Echoriax - Finished paeg, take a look
01:06.00OluapPlayer_suks dai
01:06.18Cyrannianfuk u
01:07.18OluapPlayer_>Don't disappoint me.           >Tyromairon
01:07.23Monet_2I can imagine there are people out there with bank accounts of 20-200 million.
01:07.25OluapPlayer_Anteddy - bitch i dont think u understand
01:08.47Cyranniandats an inner thought
01:09.12OluapPlayer_Anteddy - i can reed mind     im the fukin emperor yo
01:09.26OluapPlayer_Interesting character though
01:10.19Cyranniandanke quote with Meke sass
01:10.23Monet_2Blessed is the mind too small for doubt.
01:11.41OluapPlayer_Meke sassed
01:12.49CyrannianI'll need to make a few more to make up for Mezzadriel and Vandorallen
01:13.16Wormy_Guys
01:13.22Monet_2AN open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded.
01:13.42Wormy_News has emerged that Harrison Ford's been involved in an incident with a passenginer plane
01:13.43Monet_2There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
01:13.57Monet_2...shit.
01:14.28HachimanMonet spams Dawn of War quotes and this happens
01:14.47HachimanThis is like the second time Ford has had an incident with a plane
01:15.24Wormy_Apparently he mistook a taxiway for a run-way
01:15.41HachimanWhat the fuck
01:15.52Monet_2Hachiman: I could look for some more obscure readings of the Imperial Creed if you like.
01:16.06OluapPlayer_Can't say I get what's going on
01:16.29Wormy_I think he survived, no reports of death or injury
01:16.57OluapPlayer_Who's this?
01:17.11CyrannianThe actor who played Han Solo and Indiana Jones
01:17.12Wormy_Harrison Ford
01:17.13Monet_2Harrison Ford. Played Han SOlo and Indiana Jones.
01:17.42CyrannianWhen he eventually kicks the bucket, I bet it'll be the most cinematic death ever
01:17.43Monet_2He was flying a light aircraft when he decided to land on a taxiway at LAX.
01:18.04Wormy_Where a passenger plane was waiting
01:18.23Wormy_"Never show me the odds"
01:18.39Monet_2"Ford, an experienced pilot who collects vintage planes, had been instructed to land on runway 20-L at John Wayne Airport in Orange County, California, but mistakenly aimed for a taxiway, instead. His plane passed over the top of an American Airlines 737 carrying 110 passengers and a six-person crew."
01:18.47Monet_2NBC
01:18.59Monet_2OKay so not LAX
01:19.55Monet_2Yeah more recently he crashed a WWII era plane into the Santa Monica golf course.
01:20.46Wormy_Yeah he should stick to piloting spacecraft with lots of space
01:21.43Wormy_random fact for UK users - He became a lifetime member of Shropshire flight club http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-29625478
01:22.14CyrannianWormy_: https://twitter.com/tomj191/status/831621618673786880
01:22.41Wormy_lol
01:25.11Wormy_right, beddy bies for me
01:25.15Wormy_byes
01:25.31Cyrannianbai
01:25.41Wormy_I get to lay in tomorrow, at least
01:28.18Monet_2Flying is one of the safest methods of flying, it's landing that's the most danggerous part
01:28.33DrodoEmpireYeah true
01:28.37Monet_2methods of travel*
01:34.19DrodoEmpirehttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Yolotli - Made this, not really much content yet though
01:48.20DrodoEmpirehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yOskhDn468 heyy, that's pretty good
03:08.40DrodoEmpireUgh
03:08.42DrodoEmpireI'm officially sick
03:08.44DrodoEmpire>.<
03:35.28DrodoEmpirehttps://external.xx.fbcdn.net/safe_image.php?d=AQCMB2M7y5d3glyj&url=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2Fl0ExhXTP6xvdqobyo%2Fgiphy.gif&ext=gif&_nc_hash=AQBm45FsAzQNXGNu
03:44.01DrodoEmpirehttps://www.change.org/p/rename-fire-ants-to-spicy-boys                                           yes
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04:28.04Tek0516...that was odd.
04:28.15Tek0516Did my last message even go through?
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10:16.18TreebeardHello
10:18.05GhelaeHello.
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11:43.26TreebeardGhelae: At what stage of development is the Super-Collab project at the moment?
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11:55.27GhelaeHello.
11:55.38OluapPlayerHi
11:55.57GhelaeTreebeard: Apparently Random hasn't told you. He's moved the project off the wiki. You'd have to ask him more about it.
11:56.31TreebeardAh, okay. Thanks
11:56.39TreebeardHello
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12:17.35WormydroidHi
12:19.12GhelaeHi
12:24.28Tek0516Ugh, more snow
12:39.49Tek0516Well that's annoying. I bought an album for the wrong google account. If I want to switch between them I have to *delete* it first.
12:40.12Tek0516*delete the downloaded music
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12:49.39Tek0516On the other hand depressing Hans Zimmer music works well in a walk through the quiet of a blizzard. XD
12:50.11Wormy_My assignment today is build a discrete event simulation of a Finite State Machine simulating the battery power of a laptop
12:50.51Wormy_doesn't know what a finite state machine is
12:51.15Wormy_The trials of doing an Msc in Computer Science without a CS background
12:51.52Tek0516knows
12:52.21Wormy_What's the idea behind it?
12:54.10Tek0516Wormy_: 30 second version is that you have a list of states the machine can be in. There a fixed transitions between these states based on conditionals
12:54.53Wormy_That must be why I must simulate it with discrete events
12:57.06Tek0516Most of my experience with it is with electronics so I'm not certain on some CS aspects of it
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13:09.33HachimanHi
13:11.59OluapPlayerHi
13:12.26Wormy_hi
13:14.05Wormy_Battle boids are fun
13:14.33Wormy_Simulates a flock of agents with two rules: chase each other, chase boid of other colour and kill
13:16.06Wormy_Nice patterns emerge when one wave of flock runs into another, where the nearest layer rises tio attack.  The winning layer then often gets close enough to the other flock, repeating the process
13:16.16Wormy_And its fun creating huge flocks
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13:36.58Cyrannianhi
13:38.39Treebeard|AwayHello
13:42.33OluapPlayer~eat Cyrannian
13:42.33infobotThat's too disgusting.
13:42.42Cyrannian~slap OluapPlayer
13:42.43infobotACTION slaps OluapPlayer, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!
13:44.27Wormy_the waptor
13:44.47Tek0516Damnit. Bought this album then realized it wasn't the "deluxe" one which had the track I wanted most. >.>
13:48.18Wormy_bad times
13:50.43Tek0516And because I messed up I bought it on the account I didn't have a gift card on. >.>
13:51.27Tek0516So I spent money I wasn't trying to on something tha wasn't quite what I wanted. Maybe I'll try customer support later? >.<
13:54.01CyrannianOluapPlayer: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Sorondil http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Titus_Dromaeo http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Tethis_Marrgrev - c new guise
13:54.57OluapPlayernoice, new Corthrinus
14:04.12Tek0516Nope, can't get a refund. :/
14:14.41Wormy_Tek:  Don't use that company again
14:19.12Tek0516Wormy_: It's google. And like I said I was trying to usea gift card. >.<
14:19.58Wormy_hm, I'm surprised you can't get a refund so you can get the deluxe edition instaed
14:22.02Tek0516Their policy is no refunds after you've downloaded or played the music. -.-
14:22.49Tek0516Also the other issue is the fact I bought it on the wrong account, which is problematic because of their archaic DRM policy.
14:29.47Wormy_unfortunate
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15:15.40Wormy_hi
15:17.28Wormy_http://imgur.com/gallery/1H95t
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15:23.53NeonPandahi all
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15:30.02JepardiHi
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16:24.48Tek0516http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/the-first-visit
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16:38.53Imperioshi
16:39.13ImperiosWormy_: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/831846101179314177 Trump maneuvring
16:39.28ImperiosTechnobliterator
16:39.43Technobliteratorpffft
16:40.01Valader"Take a good look at your precious realm,  Imperios,  for when I finish,  none of it shall remain but my laughter"  - -  Diablo
16:40.12ImperiosOkay guys I am in your camp now
16:40.15ImperiosTuck Frump
16:40.27ImperiosThe wall shall fall
16:40.29ImperiosViva la Mexico
16:40.34ValaderVIVA!
16:40.40ImperiosYou can't just talk shit of Crimea brul
16:41.11ImperiosWe literally put you into power
16:41.18ImperiosNow you turn on us
16:43.56HachimanImperios: What would be a good name for a Pudge / Roadhog expy? What I've got for a working name is 'Scumthroat' and I'm somewhat struggling to formulate a backstory as to how they became a cannibal
16:43.58HachimanOne idea I've had is that they became a wereboar when he somehow came into possession of another wereboar corpse and decided to consume its flesh and blood
16:44.09Wormy_<PROTECTED>
16:44.15Wormy_entertainment
16:44.18ImperiosThe Pig
16:44.21ImperiosPigdog
16:44.30HachimanPigdog is kinda good
16:45.47HachimanWhat his occupation was before he became a werecreature, however, I've no idea; I'm thinking maybe butcher or a plague doctor's assistant medical examiner or something
16:46.32HachimanSomething that would give him access to corpses and human meat for him to eat in secrecy
16:56.07ImperiosGhelae: In the context of 20th century Britain, what would the phrase "public or secondary education?" mean?
16:56.24ImperiosI assumed this was about public schools, but apparently I was wrong
16:58.13GhelaeI don't know. My first guess would be just secondary education, where in the full phrase "secondary education" is specifically being taken to mean state secondary education and "public education" is ignoring primary public education (which I assume exists).
17:01.06ImperiosAs in, in opposition to each other
17:05.37GhelaeWell, both would serve the same purpose, but one is government-funded and the other isn't.
17:06.03GhelaeIf that's not what you mean, then I don't know the context well enough.
17:06.21ImperiosHachiman: https://2ch.hk/po/src/20902850/14871763881130.jpg Pigdog
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17:08.31XhoX GON GIVE IT TO YA
17:08.53XhoVoting that as my new theme song
17:09.56Technobliteratorgood song
17:10.18XhoNot bad I must say
17:11.42XhoHachiman Imperios: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Maps/23543 I did some updates to this map btw
17:13.04Wormy_Tek0516:  Oops nearly forgot to charge my laptop; while simulating laptop battery consumption
17:13.19Wormy_hi
17:13.23XhoHi
17:13.24Tek0516O.o
17:13.34XhoWormy_: I kind of want a beer but I don't feel to great                advice would suffce
17:13.39Xhotoo*
17:13.56Wormy_Well I felt unwell Monday, had wine and felt a lot better
17:14.10XhoNot a wine fan tho
17:14.19Wormy_still alcohol tho
17:14.32Xhogood point
17:14.43Wormy_Actually, I am told rum in guinness solves all ills
17:15.01XhoI like rum however
17:15.10XhoGuinness I can take or leave
17:15.36Wormy_Don't know what rum in Guiness is like
17:15.59XhoI'm not gonna figure it out for you hur
17:16.00Wormy_Speaking of dark beers, I really like plum porter
17:16.33Wormy_The barman once recommended I had a pint of plum porter mixed with coffee porter, damn it was good
17:16.56XhoHuh  well
17:17.07XhoI'm not big on porter
17:17.13XhoI had a salted caramel porter once
17:17.19XhoTasted like that really aged scent of wood
17:17.26Wormy_I used to like dark beers the most
17:17.30XhoOf course I finished the whole thing but I wouldn't have one again
17:17.32Wormy_Now that sounds good to me
17:17.49XhoI'm a fan of IPAs mostly
17:18.10Wormy_Lately I'm getting into pilsners
17:18.12XhoOccasional wheat beers but they don't do wonders for your stomach
17:19.01Wormy_man I want to go to the pub now and have a Hoegaarden or two, and maybe another couple of pints of six x
17:19.09Xhoheh
17:19.11XhoI like Erdinger
17:19.19XhoAlthough it stops my stomach dead for a couple of days
17:19.44Wormy_I don't really get stomach problems from beer.  But too much spirits will give me indigestion
17:20.13XhoMy stomach is exceptionally sensitive
17:20.31XhoThe only meat I can eat is lamb
17:21.21Wormy_I've never been sick from alcohol, even when I've passed out and had to be carried home-level of drunk
17:22.09XhoI'm effectively a semi-vegetarian since I only normally eat poultry and fish
17:22.15Wormy_worst I get from a hangover is thirst, lack of energy, and pains in the liver
17:22.44Wormy_I've cut down my drinking since that started happening
17:23.55Wormy_I suffer psychosomatic symptoms so I think its that, most likely
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17:26.24Wormy_hi
17:26.27dromhi
17:27.09Wormy_could be my stomach actually
17:29.03dromOh?
17:30.15Wormy_We were talking about alcohol and stomach sensitivity
17:33.31dromOh
17:33.44dromSpeaking of Alcohol, I despise the taste of wine
17:33.47dromToo sour
17:38.02Wormy_I'm getting more into it
17:38.19Wormy_But yeah most of it tastes the same to me
17:44.34Xhohttp://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/5/5f/KoldenweltTMapCurrent.png/revision/latest?cb=20170215174327 Added Talgrimhold and the Taeleni Dominion
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18:00.58Monethi
18:06.59ImperioshI mON
18:07.04ImperiosHi Mon
18:08.07XhoHi
18:11.48dromMonet Imperios https://github.com/ErisBlastar/cplusequality
18:11.52dromTek0516 too
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18:11.59HachimanHi
18:12.05dromHey
18:12.48XhoHi
18:13.30HachimanImperios: Butcher knife or double hooks for Pigdog?
18:13.37ImperiosButcher knife
18:13.56HachimanSo, chain hook + butcher knife combo
18:14.08Xhodafuq is dis
18:14.19HachimanComing up with a concept character for the Fantasyverse
18:14.59HachimanPigdog; a morbidly obese, corpulent wereboar who indulges in cannibalism and is basically a Pudge expy hur
18:15.11dromRoadhog: Fantasy Edition
18:15.15XhoSCHWEINHUND
18:15.15HachimanOINK
18:15.25HachimanSwinehound
18:15.30HachimanThat's pretty awesome actually
18:15.33XhoGerman for pig dog
18:15.47XhoAlso means 'idiot'
18:15.51Hachimankek
18:16.11XhoA bit like how the kanji for 'baka' is 'horse-deer'
18:16.33Xho馬鹿
18:16.48HachimanI'm wondering what the character could / would be doing now since living comfortably in society after becoming a wereboar and allowing your cannibalistic urges to basically consume almost every aspect of your life would be incredibly difficult
18:17.10dromXho: Du Hundkopf
18:17.18Xhonein
18:17.25dromJa
18:17.36XhoHachiman: Being a rural huntsman or something
18:18.24HachimanI was thinking either mercenary or hunter
18:18.29XhoHachiman Imperios: http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/6/6b/TaeleniElf2017.png/revision/latest?cb=20170215181739 Also I made Dalmiric Elves
18:18.40HachimanLook like drow hur
18:18.42HachimanI like them
18:18.59Xhohttp://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/d/d7/NatelevariElf2017.png/revision/latest?cb=20170210215959 That's their progenitor species
18:19.02XhoThey're quite old going
18:19.18HachimanI was about to ask what their relationship was with the Natelevari
18:19.22HachimanThey both look quite nice
18:19.24dromWhat I see: "drow"
18:19.28dromWhat I read: "drider"
18:19.31Xhobad
18:19.32Hachimanhur
18:19.56HachimanI'm gonna assume the Taelani are far more reasonable than drow
18:20.29XhoPretty much
18:20.34XhoNatelevarí were good guys
18:20.41XhoTaeleni a little less so but not dicks
18:21.10XhoTaeleni have had to live with the good ol' Kaicaiusarin Effect for 5000 years
18:21.39XhoDespite Talmyr being a dark place most of their inhabitants are normal
18:21.39HachimanThat's fair
18:21.56XhoI also named the Talgrim Dwarf capital Talgrimhold
18:22.08XhoWhich is now an undercity built into Talmyr's tallest mountain
18:22.13HachimanOh cool
18:22.20HachimanWhat are the Talgrim like?
18:24.06XhoNormal dwarves really
18:24.38XhoAs for their religion it's a bit deviant from Thunardormir but he's still their chief god
18:24.57XhoThey're quite geographically distant from a religious center so their beliefs have changed a bit
18:25.15HachimanThat's fair, happens with a number of Dweorg descendants
18:26.11HachimanThere are vast differences between them alongside a lot of distance between them and their religious stronghold in the Eastern Plains
18:26.19HachimanWhich is why dwarven pilgrimages tend to be a thing
18:29.29Xhoaye
18:29.40XhoI guess with Talmyr they've had Simulacrum-based influences in their religion
18:29.57XhoThe dominant Simulacra in Talmyr are Zran Kar, Asv-Aldz, Caligaduro and Nalashtannylor
18:30.44XhoAlthough the Dalmiric people don't tend to worship their negative aspects so it's all good
18:30.56Hachimandis dusnt plees da thunda god
18:31.22XhoSince Nalashtannylor is all sorts of gods across the north he and Thunardormir are probably tied together in the Talgrim religion
18:32.19XhoSomething along the lines of Thunardormir being the incarnate soul of Nalashtannylor or something
18:32.27HachimanI think Nalashtannylor is a safe Simulacrum for the dwarves to revere
18:32.33XhoNalashtannylor probably being an analogy for the weather
18:32.55XhoNalashtannylor - better than ten others fo sho
18:33.18HachimanDwarves and Thunardormir tend to have a massive hateboner for the Simulacra barring Eostraeya and depending where you go, Mortium and Nalash
18:33.47XhoCaligaduro - oh i wonder why
18:34.00XhoCaligaduro in Talmyr isn't really the proper Caligaduro however
18:34.11XhoCaligaduro in Talmyr is sort of similar to Shiva or Kali
18:34.50HachimanCaligaduro - u fukrs r lookin 2 deep into dis       i jus destroy 4 da lulz
18:35.27XhoKaicaiusarin - hao bout u just get me out of this pit             oh wait you did
18:35.33XhoAs for Asv-Aldz, well
18:35.55dromXho: http://i.imgur.com/xTFxQ9E.gifv
18:36.00XhoAsv-Aldz is the Simulacrum of Power so he's usually a fortuitous deity unless you know him
18:36.35XhoDrom: Mahanayans 101
18:36.56dromneigh-maximum over-performance
18:39.13XhoHachiman: Whilst I have no issue with Eostraeya overall I just wonder why she's a Simulacrum
18:39.28HachimanBecause she's an outsider god like the others?
18:39.45XhoWell I mean all the rest of the Simulacra are generally neutral if not evil
18:39.46XhoThen her
18:39.56HachimanYes; she's the exception it would seem
18:40.07HachimanWhy wouldn't she be allowed to be a Simulacra
18:40.24XhoHm not arguing the point, just wondering why
18:40.42XhoThen again you have Azura and Meridia as the Daedric Princes so there's that
18:40.58HachimanShe was made with the intent of being an actual good and charitable deity to worship; someone who believes in serving her followers rather than the other way around
18:41.10HachimanA break in the pattern of assholes hur
18:42.15XhoMost of the Simulacra do have a Daedric Prince comparison so I guess she's Azura/Meridia
18:42.55HachimanI'd rather see them as their own thing rather than just Daedric Prince expies honestly
18:44.52XhoDidn't say expy
18:44.55XhoI said comparison
18:45.21XhoThat being said I don't compare Nalashtannylor to any of the Daedra
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18:45.36XhoMainly because he's not really like any of the Daedra
18:45.52XhoHi again
18:46.11Wormy_ey up
18:46.15XhoThe only properly 'Daedric' Simulacra I guess are Zran Kar, Asv-Aldz, Harstag and Alar'xashan
18:46.30XhoAnd Kaicaiusarin come to think of it
18:47.22XhoThe rest don't really fit that original concept
18:48.06XhoI should use Asv-Aldz more often
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18:48.57XhoHi
18:49.09Xhohttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain%3ABishu I remember making this character but never got anywhere with it
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18:50.36dino82hi
18:50.40XhoHi
18:50.50dino82@Xho: Looks great
18:50.52Wormy_Winston Churchill's views on aliens revealed in lost essay http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-38985425
18:50.54dino82like the color scheme :d
18:50.57Luxoreyo
18:51.12XhoBishu kind of came about as to what a demon would be like as a judge of a kangaroo court
18:51.37Xhohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kangaroo_court
18:53.04XhoI had the idea that Hypocrite's Rest's government was ruled by 'beggars, sycophants, hypocrites and traitors' and that Bishu was almost like the speaker of their chamber
18:53.53Wormy_dog with vertilligo http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/item/f85dd0de-2130-48bb-adc4-0f203e416467?intc_type=singletheme&intc_location=bbcthree&intc_campaign=bbcthree&intc_linkname=article_rottweilerturningwhite_contentcard16
18:54.05Xhoaw
18:55.21Wormy_I'm a little bit scared of rotts tbh
18:55.41XhoSomeone I knew had a Rottweiler
18:55.45XhoSoftest thing ever
18:56.00XhoBut yeah aggressive rottweilers are the stuff of nightmares
18:56.41Wormy_They can can be soft, but they have the potential to bring down a grown man
18:58.11dromI am legitmately scared of shepards and rottweilers
18:58.57Wormy_Don't really like boxers or staffies either
18:59.15XhoJack Russells can be aggressive bastards
19:00.19dromHuskies and Samoyeds are a different story
19:00.49Xhodrom: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LED2EqjFQrk
19:01.02Wormy_my dog is half russel
19:01.12Wormy_half border collie
19:01.33Wormy_You might imagine the internal conflict
19:01.39Xhoheh
19:01.47XhoWe used to have a labrador-collie cross
19:01.52XhoQuite literally ate the house
19:02.20Wormy_If he bites, the russel takes over and he is savage, but then the collie loyalty sinks in and he is extremely sorry
19:03.00Wormy_jackal and hyde character
19:03.59Wormy_<PROTECTED>
19:04.55Xho"I HAVE LITERALLY NO FUCKS TO GIVE FOR A FEW MINUTES"
19:05.04XhoMy dog is a Jack Russell through and through
19:05.11XhoNow you're meant to think Jack Russells are smart
19:05.19XhoHow wrong you would be is an understatement
19:05.35Wormy_<PROTECTED>
19:05.39XhoShe's only intelligent when she wants something
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19:06.09Wormy_My border jack is extremely smart, that's probably the collie in him
19:06.21Wormy_My whippet on the other hand
19:06.37Wormy_Not much brain in him
19:08.44Wormy_Though, I have been outmsmarted by the whippet
19:09.03XhoOnly dumb until they want something
19:09.22Wormy_He once asked me to let him out at the door.  I get off a chair to let him out, the  he runs under my legs and steals the chair
19:09.46Wormy_People say dogs can't plan future events but that refutes that
19:10.05Wormy_Yeah
19:11.02HachimanWell, looks like I'm kind of thankful to be leaving the country now
19:11.08XhoOh god
19:11.10Xhowhat happened
19:11.11Wormy_Why?
19:11.31HachimanJust discovered that my sister's husband is a raving coke addict and has been stealing money from her and other members of his own family in order to feed it
19:11.42HachimanAnd has committed stuff like fraud and burglary and whatnot
19:11.58HachimanIncluding using my sister's bank account without her knowledge or permission
19:12.24Wormy_Damn
19:12.30Monet<PROTECTED>
19:12.33XhoGet the bastard arrested
19:12.51Wormy_They should bring back the stocks
19:12.54HachimanI mean, this is what we're all saying, don't know what's gonna happen yet
19:13.45XhoAnd I thought my family was a little askew
19:13.59XhoNo offence intended
19:14.06HachimanI suppose this is kind of what you get out of marrying a man you knew for only 8 months prior
19:14.38XhoDoesn't your sister have kids as well
19:14.43HachimanShe does
19:14.54XhoWow
19:14.55HachimanTwo from a previous engagement with ANOTHER drug addict and one recently
19:15.36XhoSounds like she needs to move as well
19:15.50HachimanUnfortunately, neither her or any of her kids have passports so
19:16.51MonetWhy go that far. Move town.
19:17.32HachimanShe's been trying to move for ages; she's on benefit money as of the moment because she's too crippled to work and has three kids
19:17.46XhoI remember you saying she has lupus
19:17.55LuxorHoly sh!t pal. I feel sorry for you
19:18.22XhoShe must have the willpower of a demigod to have made it this far
19:18.22HachimanEh, I'm sympathetic but I'm not really mad or angry about the situation given that she kind of made this bed herself
19:19.09HachimanShe married a man she was not entirely happy with after eight months of getting to know him and then had a child with him not too long after while the marriage is also wracked with drama and toxicity
19:19.25Luxorwhat.
19:19.41HachimanThing is, she convinced him to stop going out and working because 1) she wanted more help with the kids and 2) she didn't trust him to be out on his own for long periods of time
19:19.53HachimanWhich meant he didn't have any money of his own after a while
19:20.09LuxorThere's a term for that in Poland
19:20.12Luxor"patology"
19:20.37HachimanYou mean pathology?
19:20.53Luxoruh, yes.
19:21.08Luxorand after 10 years of learning english I still make darn typos.
19:25.55HachimanI offered to stay behind in the UK only for the kids' sake, even if like most of the stuff I own is already on a van to France - I still have several sets of clothes, a phone, and a laptop - but it was insisted that I go, even if it means leaving her on her own to deal with this mess that's come about
19:25.56dino82english remains a challenging language :d
19:28.06LuxorMy friend started learning Arabic 3 days ago, he knows alphabet but nothing else.
19:28.13LuxorThat language is really challenging.
19:28.35HachimanI can imagine
19:32.00LuxorAlso, hungarian has over 20 gramatical cases
19:32.19LuxorWith ones for "being inside" and "being outside", "inside a building", etc.
19:32.27XhoFinnish is similar as well
19:32.34XhoWhat with both being Uralic languages
19:33.15Wormy_I endorse the ideas in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIR0nwhesGw
19:37.43LuxorBTW, who do you first think of when asked for name of a famous German person?
19:38.02HachimanAdolf Hitler
19:38.07Wormy_Georg Cantor
19:38.22MonetJohann Sebastian Bach.
19:39.39Wormy_Cantor went so deep into infinity he ended up in a mental asylum
19:39.57LuxorHachiman: Guess I'm not the only one then
19:40.06Wormy_But he proved infinities can be bigger than other infinities
19:40.15Wormy_Get cultured hur
19:40.22Monet^
19:40.29Hachiman>implying Adolf Hitler didn't have culture
19:40.43MonetAlso Hitler wasn't German. At least not by birth.
19:40.45Wormy_implying the only culture of Germany was Nazism
19:41.08HachimanIn seriousness, I'd probably say Nietzsche
19:42.21XhoHm
19:42.29XhoKarl Marx
19:42.42XhoMartin Luther
19:44.20Wormy_David Hilbert
19:44.33GhelaeWerner Heisenberg. Max Planck.
19:44.43GhelaeOh, maybe Albert Einstein. He's fairly well-known.
19:44.53MonetI'm seeing a pattern
19:45.08TechnobliteratorI'm the only one who thinks Beethoven? :V
19:45.17XhoTill Lindemann
19:45.24LuxorRudolf Hess
19:45.42Luxorwhat, he's famous
19:45.43MonetTechnobliterator: Well we both came up with composers.
19:45.48TechnobliteratorThis is true
19:46.04Wormy_If we're speaking of Austrians, Ludwig Boltzmaan, Kurt  Gödel
19:46.09LuxorWagner
19:46.17LuxorAustrians = Germans in terms of ethnicity
19:46.27LuxorAn Austrian would kill you for saying that tho
19:46.27GhelaeErwin Schrödinger.
19:47.54MonetYeah never imply Austrians are basically Germans.
19:48.13HachimanAustrians are basically Germans
19:48.22Wormy_They're all Germanic
19:49.37Luxor> Never imply that when Austrian is nearby
19:50.00MonetIt's like confusing Portuguese for a Spaniard.
19:50.03GhelaeI don't actually know whether there are any Austrians nearby.
19:50.25Luxorgood for us
19:50.48GhelaeIf there aren't, feel free to imply that Austrians are Germans to your heart's content.
19:50.57Wormy_English are a tiny bit Germanic if we take the Saxons and Angle contribituon
19:51.09LuxorMake Wessex Great Again
19:52.05LuxorThat name is generally believed to mean "West Saxony" in language used by then
19:52.07Wormy_And a tiny bit Frankic, Nordic, Celtic, and an older European culture most closely related to the Iberians and Basques
19:53.06GhelaeAngle, Saxon, Frank and Nordic are all Germanic, if you use that word broadly.
19:53.51GhelaeBut if you're going to include Anglo-Saxons in "name a famous German person", you're stretching the word "German" too far.
19:54.04Ghelaeall Anglo-Saxons*
19:54.43ImperiosHachiman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhtgDbEO0Os
19:54.49ImperiosWHAAAT
19:54.59ImperiosAre we talking about languages without me
19:55.06ImperiosGhelae: But Einstein wasn't German
19:55.18ImperiosHe was Ashkenazi
19:55.37GhelaeYes; I assumed we meant German by nationality or place of birth.
19:56.03Wormy_I forgot the Jutes
19:56.17ImperiosGhelae: Historically in German history that mattered less AFAIK
19:56.33LuxorD a n z i g I s t D e u t s c h
19:56.49ImperiosLuxor: You mean all of Poland
19:56.53Luxorkek
19:56.53ImperiosExcept for Eastern Poland
19:56.55ImperiosThat's ours
19:57.03ImperiosGerman nationalism formed the other way around
19:57.08LuxorYe'r never gonna get Whitecreek
19:57.25HachimanD E U T S C H L A N D  D E U T S C H L A N D  U B E R  A L L E S
19:57.29Wormy_Ghelae:  These were famous Saxon / Germanics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hengist_and_Horsa
19:57.40LuxorU B E R  A L L E S  I N  D E R  W E L T
19:57.41ImperiosA U F E R S T A N D E N  A U S  R U I N E N
19:58.00ImperiosU N D  D I E  Z U K U N F T  Z U G E W A L D
19:58.39GhelaeWormy_: They are literally both called "horse".
19:58.53ImperiosGhelae: My point is, Brits and Frenchmen basically formed a united culture based around a united state
19:59.02ImperiosGermans formed a united state based around a united culture
19:59.13Luxorhttps://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aYxw530_460s.jpg
19:59.30LuxorPrussians formed a federal state thanks to Bismarck.
19:59.53LuxorYou can't take Germany as a whole by that time.
20:00.00LuxorJust look at HRE in eu4
20:00.24Luxorbefore Napoleon it was so messy even Emperor couldn't ever handle it
20:00.44LuxorAfter Napoleon, Poof, Westphalia, North German Confed., etc.
20:01.19ImperiosImagine if Germany never remilitaries
20:01.23ImperiosUnder Hitler
20:01.40ImperiosThe world could be a much beter place
20:01.40Wormy_I would totally watch a series based on Horse and Horse, just as I watched pone on Ragnar Lothbrok
20:01.55ImperiosAnd by a better place I mean a glorious Soviet empire ruling over Eurasia
20:02.15LuxorIt'd fall sonner or later
20:02.31Luxorjust like axe on to Trotsky's head in Mexico
20:02.51dromdamn untzermench...
20:04.33dromXho Wormy_: I am unsure what more traits I should bring over from the older iteration, Nomatarians, to the Kurinnurii?
20:04.43XhoNot sure
20:04.49Wormy_Dunno
20:05.18DrodoAwaytest
20:05.48Wormy_Ragnar conquers Paris (spoilers) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2fm7Unf9r8
20:05.57Luxoroy that was great
20:06.04Luxorespecially scene in Notre Dame...
20:06.18DrodoEmpireImperios: Dunno if it would be, on the largest scale of things. Nazism did a lot to discredit a lot of regressive and dangerous notions such as eugenics and fascism afaik
20:06.35ImperiosI'd imagine it would result in the Soviet Union expanding into Europe
20:06.40ImperiosEspecially
20:06.50ImperiosESPECIALLY if Trotsky took over
20:07.02DrodoEmpireOf course, no WWII also means that all those millions who died would live, so its a hard call
20:09.04GhelaeIf the result were "a glorious Soviet empire ruling over Eurasia", wouldn't there be instead be a war involving a glorious Soviet empire rolling over Eurasia?
20:09.16Wormy_Maybe the Great Powers would take longer to collapse, the US remains fairly isolated
20:10.06dromFor one. Nomatarians were described to breathe methane, and exhale hydrogen cyanide, they had a different biochemisty based on fictious nitrogen-based sugar and methanamide.
20:11.05dromIn place of the oxygen-based sugar, glucose, and water respectively.
20:11.18MonetGhelae: Basically the plot to Command and Conquer: Red Alert.
20:14.14GhelaeOh yeah, so it is.
20:14.29LuxorQuick question: Could sapient species, inhabiting planet with oxygen-less atmospere develop metallurgy?
20:14.45LuxorObvious answer seems to be fatal NO, though I might be missing something
20:14.48GhelaeIt would depend on what the atmosphere is.
20:15.12GhelaeAre you thinking of the problem of making fire?
20:15.31LuxorRather heat, but also fire.
20:15.35LuxorIncineration without oxygen, afaik, is not possible.
20:15.47LuxorUnless we have organic compunds, but we still need oxygen.
20:16.01GhelaeThere are other ways of generating heat than combustion, although none as obvious and easy to do than rubbing sticks and flint together.
20:16.36LuxorThe problem is that incineration is very efficent way of turning chemical energy in compunds into relatively easy-to-handle heat.
20:16.48LuxorBurning with any other gases is just not possible.
20:17.47LuxorThen, having that said, such species should not be able to develop, neither to get to space exploration.
20:17.51GhelaeAgain, it's easy, but not the only option.
20:18.41GhelaeOff the top of my head, a species could develop electric batteries and use electric heating.
20:19.04LuxorSuch species would have to know properties of elements.
20:19.04GhelaeActually, people have tried to figure out how species could develop technology even in an aquatic environment...
20:19.50DrodoEmpireLuxor: There are multiple ways around such problems as geography and climate. If I had to guess, yes, oxygenless atmosphere would at least stunt development in this regard
20:19.54HachimanDrodoEmpire: If WW2, and in turn the Cold War, hadn't happened, society, the level of technological progress, the political climate, etc would be radically different
20:19.59DrodoEmpire^
20:20.16DrodoEmpireThe number of such civilisations would be fewer likely
20:20.38GhelaeI don't think needing to understand chemical elements is a big hindrance, although it does slow things down. A better argument against batteries would be that the most primitive batteries made on Earth used metals.
20:20.54DrodoEmpireSimilar to how issues of geography stunted the technological and societal development of some civilisations. Still though, people and sapient life in general are crafty
20:21.42HachimanI think it says something humanity that even if Yellowstone erupts at this point, civilisation is still likely to persist
20:22.13Ghelaehttp://www.xenology.info/Xeno/20.3.2.htm - this suggests non-metallic batteries, which can also be used to electrolyse seawater and produce oxygen (which could in turn be stored in sealed containers and used for combustion).
20:22.23DrodoEmpireHachiman: Indeed
20:22.28DrodoEmpireWe'll be kicked onto our ass
20:22.30DrodoEmpireBut we'll live
20:22.36HachimanAye
20:22.47DrodoEmpireSome of the solutions made by native groups to issues brought about by a lack of basic amenities, such as metal or pack animals, are brilliant after all Luxor
20:22.59Ghelaedrom: That's a kind of biochemistry I've not thought of before, but all bits of it are familar to me.
20:23.01DrodoEmpireKeep in that mindset when looking at this theoretical xenocivilisatiom
20:23.02DrodoEmpire*n
20:23.59LuxorTo develop, any civilization must develop metallurgy, and it should be possible without oxygen...
20:24.00dromGhelae: That was because we talked like one or two days about it before I concluded I make a tongue-in-cheek and ignore the marginal loss of energy it took do the metabolism.
20:24.16GhelaeAh, I think I remember this now.
20:24.16DrodoEmpireNo, metallurgy isn't a prerequisite for civilisation
20:24.30DrodoEmpireOr else north american civilisations, for the most part, wouldn't exist
20:24.32MonetAN industrial one maybe.
20:24.35Luxor^
20:24.38DrodoEmpireIt certainly helps, and maybe industrial ones need it
20:25.02DrodoEmpireBut-- be specific :p
20:25.03LuxorYeah, I'm rather talking about developing technology like spaceships, not domesticating horses.
20:25.04MonetBut this goes down the rabbit hole of what classes as 'civilization.
20:26.05Ghelaedrom: If you're thinking of not keeping the Nomotarians' biochemistry, you could replace it with something more realistic.
20:26.52XhoHachiman: Gimme a name for a dwarven settlement
20:28.10Luxorbrb
20:28.51dromGhelae: Methane-Ammonia comes to my mind
20:29.17HachimanKhagbuldar
20:29.39HachimanMenthorim, Kingurihm
20:29.52dromThe temperature would be at -77 to -33 celcius at one atmosphere worth of air pressure
20:29.56XhoKhagbuldar works
20:29.57Xhodanke
20:30.10dromAccording to Project Rho
20:33.17GhelaeDoes Project Rho give a description of a combined methane-ammonia biochemistry?
20:34.17GhelaeYou can certainly have such a biochemistry in which methane is a product of respiration: ammonia combusts easily, so you want a reducing atmosphere, and methane is the most reduced hydrocarbon.
20:36.20GhelaeIn which case I think you'd want a hydrogen atmosphere, and hence a planet that's big and/or cold, with an example of the latter being something like Titan.
20:36.56dromhttp://i.imgur.com/ge5Frjm.png
20:37.29dromIt states that the most stable alternative is methane-ammonia. Meanwhile oxygen fuck up that balance
20:39.24GhelaeSo it both cases, it says what kind of atmosphere would be required but then assumes oxygen gets pumped in to mess it all up.
20:40.52GhelaeThey're actually describing an Earth-like respiration, O2 + organic compounds -> CO2 + solvent, where all they're changing is the solvent and the composition of the organic compounds.
20:41.53LuxorThe biggest problem is that we don't really know how an organism breathing nitrogen would behave
20:42.02Luxorwe have only one type of life to refer to
20:43.16GhelaeWe can't come up with a full biochemistry, because that's insanely complicated, but we can figure out a) do the basic respiration / photosynthesis reactions work? and b) are basic compounds (the things that might be analogues of sugars, proteins, and fats) stable?
20:43.53LuxorExactly.
20:44.25LuxorPerhaps the first extraterrestial civilization we'll meet will be Silo-protein Nitrogen breathing Mollusca.
20:44.53GhelaeNitrogen molecules, with their highly stable triple bonds, seem a very unlikely candidate for a respiratory gas.
20:45.43Luxorbasically yes, yet we never know what life will come up with.
20:46.07GhelaeYou want to get more energy out than you put into it.
20:47.44dromThat was the problem with my own biochemistry I used for Nomatarians
20:48.07dromAfters lots of both chemistrical and mathematical consulting with Wormy_ and Ghelae.
20:48.20Ghelaedrom: My suggestion is instead something like H2 + nitrogenous organic compounds -> CH4 + NH3.
20:48.49GhelaeSo reduce with hydrogen rather than oxidise with oxygen, and hence produce CH4 rather than CH2, and use ammonia as a solvent.
20:49.22Ghelaerather than CO2*
20:49.29dromHydrogen + nitrogen-based organic compunds (sugars, proteins, etcera) -> Methane and Ammonia?
20:49.36GhelaeYeah.
20:50.05dromI like the sound of it, actually
20:50.33dromAnd the planet conditions are; freezing and big?
20:50.49Wormy_It'd have to be
20:51.30GhelaeIt doesn't need to be too big, but the warmer you make it the larger it needs to be, both because you hydrogen is travelling faster and you need more pressure.
20:51.33Wormy_To hold on to hydrogen in its atmosphere for long enough for say, more than half of it to be present since the beginning in a billion years or so
20:52.11Ghelae(The higher the pressure, the higher the melting and boiling points of solvents.)
20:52.28Ghelae(...so you can make the planet warmer.)
20:52.56dromLet's pretend it is about large as Earth. Would the temperatures be below water's freezing point, to put it from our perspective?
20:53.09GhelaeI would say so,
20:53.11Ghelaechecks
20:54.20dromYou know, I think we really need a computerized system of planets, simulating their features and nature.
20:54.55HachimanCan I ask a question that pertains to oxygen that may make me look a bit stupid
20:56.22Xhonot enough goes to your brain hur hur hur
20:56.25HachimanWhat's the level of oxygen availability like in the Arctic continent given that it's supposedly composed of massive sheets of ice, with no native flora to supply oxygenation yet life still persists there
20:56.27dromHachiman. I must admit that I think I do both look and sound dumber than everyone else here.
20:56.55XhoThat's a good question actually
20:56.58dromBut the more you know
20:58.59GhelaeI can't find how cold Earth would have to be to keep hydrogen. But decreasing the average temperature down to freezing is still ~98% of the current average temperature, and that reduces the average gas molecule velocity to sqrt(98)% ~ 99%, which is barely any slower. Most hydrogen should still escape.
21:00.15GhelaeBringing the maximum temperature (330 K) down to freezing (273.15 K) still gives molecules 91% of their current average speed.
21:02.57DrodoEmpirehttps://scontent.fyhz1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t34.0-12/16754588_1232225620201216_1131977471_n.jpg?oh=23ead29e9f491667dc022a70ca0d4a4e&oe=58A72988 my cats were planning something, apparently <.<
21:03.11Xhofurballs
21:05.56HachimanYou don't have a reflection
21:06.27Wormy_Drodo is the living dead confirmed.
21:06.33DrodoEmpire<.<
21:06.40DrodoEmpireshhh
21:06.45Wormy_It is true that cats and dog can see the living dead though.
21:06.46XhoOr a shadow
21:06.57DrodoEmpireSHHHH
21:07.40DrodoEmpireIn all seriousness I think my brother took that pic actually, and he's quite alive thankfully
21:08.00HachimanAh
21:08.01DrodoEmpireMust've been really dark in the hallway he was taking the picture in, thus no reflection in the door
21:08.38HachimanXho: https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p280x280/16729359_1204878256232781_645046578511774216_n.jpg?oh=b16b7a286a355397820db0d16e7be2d9&oe=59310AED
21:08.40DrodoEmpireI can't remember which one of us took it, I just love it
21:08.53GhelaeHachiman: On your question about oxygen availability in the arctic, https://www.quora.com/Is-there-less-oxygen-in-Antarctica
21:09.03XhoHachiman: Huh well
21:09.54GhelaeAntarctica's different from the arctic because it's at a higher altitude, but the concentration is pretty much identical to elsewhere: there's nothing producing oxygen, but nothing consuming it either, so it just ends up with Earth's average as it diffuses over there.
21:11.07HachimanHuh
21:11.40XhoHachiman Imperios: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Maps/23543 More locations
21:14.00HachimanNice stuff about the Talgrim dwarves
21:14.21Xhothere's only like three things there dammit
21:14.24Xhoread the rest pls
21:16.14HachimanConsidering how close the two locales are, I wonder if there would be dwarf students or security at the College of Ferridrro
21:16.28HachimanLearning the study of dark magic to combine with runes and whatnot
21:17.07XhoDepends on how partial Talgrim are to umbramancy
21:17.13XhoProbably not that much
21:17.16Xhoinb4 hakov
21:17.40HachimanI mean, Talgrim dwarves are probably more partial than others
21:17.50HachimanNot to say there aren't dwarf umbramancers elsewhere
21:17.56HachimanDark magic is a potent magic after all
21:18.17XhoMaybe
21:18.22Wormy_drom:  on the subject of a planetary science simulator; there's Anylogic 7 which I'm learning how to use
21:18.32XhoTalmyr's dominant magic is umbramancy so I guess it would make sense
21:19.08HachimanHakov, dwarven overlord of Talgrimhold and creator of the dark runes
21:19.20Xhoegad
21:21.02Wormy_maybe a jeans escape calculator
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21:30.57drom~test
21:30.57infobotfrom memory, test is not funny
21:31.17dromthank god
21:31.52dromWormy_: A calculator for the velocity required to escape from the confinement to your jeans?
21:33.38Wormy_http://www.cs.trinity.edu/~mlewis/PlAtm/Jeans.html
21:35.23dromOh, Jeans as in grammatically incorrect Jean's
21:37.50Wormy_The variables could me more advanced, taking in the escape velocity of planets with different masses, and the kinetic energy supplied by the star with it's output and distance put into considering.  Then to make it super advanced, take into account the change in luminosity of a star over several gigayears
21:37.54Wormy_*be
21:39.44dromI'm starting to run out of space on my school laptop
21:40.08dromI'm planning on getting a new laptop so I can have all the space I need for all the programming languages I want to try
21:42.11dromDo any of you have recommendations?
21:42.42Xhocss KEK
21:43.38dromI meant recommendation of a laptop to get
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21:48.27XhoEvening
21:48.58OluapPlayerHi
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21:51.24Wormy_hi
21:53.52OluapPlayerImpyDroid: http://www.wowhead.com/news=260325/patch-7-2-build-23578-voice-over-spoilers-illidan-aegwynn-kiljaeden-and-more OH BOY
21:55.04OluapPlayerSeems Illidan is gonna give us world quests
21:55.10XhoHachiman: http://www.guitarguitar.co.uk/electric_guitars_detail.asp?stock=170208307516008 aaaaaaaaa
21:58.04Xhohttp://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/989/614/d44.jpg Okay well this made me laugh
21:59.39ImpyDroidI want monks to get a more epic class storyline
21:59.51ImpyDroidThey could expand into Pandaren history
22:00.22OluapPlayerI don't know about that, part of Pandaria's motif was secluding itself to escape the demons
22:00.28ImpyDroidWhat if monks got into a titan vault in Pandaria and created a mogu army to help the war effort
22:01.45ImpyDroidFor example
22:01.50ImpyDroidOr called Shaohao
22:02.14ImpyDroidAs for this: thing is, it was portrayed as a bad thing
22:02.37ImpyDroidShaohao could be summoned once again to rectify his past mistakes
22:02.44ImpyDroidFor example
22:03.06ImpyDroidActually imagine this
22:03.32OluapPlayerShaohao's story is already done tho
22:03.36ImpyDroidWe get into the titan vault and use some sort of inner peace thing to communicate with the mogu armies
22:03.42ImpyDroidAnd build more
22:04.02Technobliteratorhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Second_Borealis_Galactic_War/Part_2#The_Vague_Threat new section, yo
22:04.06ImpyDroidThey are awakened but will only agree to fight for a servant of the titans
22:04.20ImpyDroidSo then we call you
22:04.28ImpyDroid"Plz send over our boss here"
22:04.35ImpyDroid*your
22:04.51XhoTechnobliterator: >The Vague Threat                "u actually scary or nah"
22:04.58Technobliterator:V
22:06.25OluapPlayerImpyDroid: It'd be cool but I don't see it happening since Blizzard isn't known to care for old areas in new expansions
22:06.30XhoI miss being in the Borealis War
22:06.45XhoGood section as well, Billig was always a character with chemistry
22:06.51Technobliterator\O/
22:06.54Technobliterator\o/*
22:08.52ImpyDroidOluapPlayer: Anything is better than a storyline centered around brewing super booze to defeat the Legion
22:09.24OluapPlayerUnfortunately I'm not in charge of the plot
22:09.35OluapPlayerfor one if I was i'd have A'dal beam Xe'ra out of existence
22:10.09ImpyDroidWhat if Xe'ra just has a crush on Illidan
22:11.54OluapPlayerHot demon elf on floating light rune action
22:15.25OluapPlayerAlso I just realized
22:15.35OluapPlayerI've not seen any trace of Alextrasza in Legion
22:16.45ImpyDroidConsidering her sister gets killed solo, she is probably too weak
22:17.17OluapPlayerShe could at least be there for the emotional support
22:17.40HachimanIsn't Alexstrasza the strongest dragon in WoW barring Deathwing though
22:18.26ImpyDroidThey are all weakened now
22:18.29OluapPlayerHer and the rest of the Aspects lost most of their power after the Cataclysm
22:18.38ImpyDroidKilling Deathwing permanently weakened them
22:20.20OluapPlayerAlso dumb, by the sound files it seems Kil'jaeden runs off back to Argus before we can kill him
22:21.07ImpyDroidThis reminds me of that old Mario cartoon
22:21.17ImpyDroidYou know when Koopa always flews
22:21.20ImpyDroid*flees
22:21.46ImpyDroidMaybe Archi and Kil could be a dual bosa fight on Argus
22:22.11OluapPlayerboss name: fuck you we won't let you kill them
22:22.28OluapPlayerI seriously hope we don't fight the same boss twice in the same expansion
22:22.31OluapPlayerThat'd be dull
22:32.58MonetWe fought Kael'Thas and Teron'Gor. twice.
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22:33.37dromnetwork device decided to die on me
22:34.07OluapPlayerI don't think Kael'thas's return in a dungeon was well received
22:34.09ImpyDroidOluapPlayer: Apparently the monk 7.2. campaign involves protecting the Stormstout brewery and curing monks from corrupted fel brew
22:34.14OluapPlayerAt least as far as I read people's opinions it wasn't
22:34.22ImpyDroidFUCKING GODDAMMIT
22:34.27OluapPlayerwow
22:34.30OluapPlayerdemon bear
22:34.32OluapPlayerbeer even
22:35.09OluapPlayerWhere did you see that? I wanna know what the warrior campaign is
22:35.42ImpyDroidOn MMOChamp
22:35.54ImpyDroid<PROTECTED>
22:36.17OluapPlayerEh i'd rather wait until the stable release
22:36.31ImpyDroidAlso yes
22:36.37dromGhelae: What are the ideal temperatures for the planet then, in your theory?
22:36.47dromWhat would be the, even
22:36.51MonetBeware the vocal minority.
22:37.00ImpyDroidOf all places in Pandaria, including the Vale, the titan vaults and the Throne of Thunder
22:37.12ImpyDroidThe Legion invades a brewery
22:37.29OluapPlayer"hey the beer is really good"
22:38.42OluapPlayerBut yeah it's a bit of a missed opportunity
22:38.52OluapPlayerImagine fel mogu
22:44.19ImpyDroidDeath knights resurrect random dragons
22:44.45OluapPlayerThey're resurrecting their class mount
22:45.24dromProbably the most rude wake up calls you can do
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23:01.59Ghelaedrom: I don't know. Your guess is as good as mine. Just keep it cold.
23:02.47dromFair enough!
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23:10.50ImpyDroidOluapPlayer: Xal'atath apparently says this
23:10.55ImpyDroidThe InsaneJoin DateJul 2011Illinois15,835
23:15.49Wormy_Monet:  BBC Newsnight showed a scene from Star Wars Empire Strikes Back at the end after the reporter saying "Harrison Ford might lose his pilot's liscense.  Sadly not the first time"
23:16.24Wormy_Namely the scene with the Falcon hiding behind the bridge of ISD
23:16.29Wormy_*of an
23:16.32OluapPlayerImpyDroid: You messed up your quote there
23:20.50XhoDrodoEmpire: FIBONACCI OF TRASH
23:20.57DrodoEmpire^
23:33.24Wormy_Woohoo, I made my first discrete event simulation (done agent based and physics based animation before)
23:34.06Wormy_Simulates the battery life of a laptop that is capable of being in on, off, screen off and sleep states
23:34.18Wormy_And can be recharged
23:37.38DrodoEmpireOh cool
23:37.59Tek0516Woo
23:38.24Tek0516Wormy: Can it be recharged while it's on? :P
23:46.49MonetWomry_: Belated Lol at Newsnight's comment.
23:47.49Wormy_Tek:  As you might have guessed, it can't
23:48.12Wormy_It also recharges instantly
23:51.18Tek0516:P
23:51.32Monethttp://www.techradar.com/news/e3-2017-tickets-finally-go-on-sale-to-the-general-public reams come true
23:53.13Wormy_Thing is though, I want to apply simulation modelling to the natural sciences, but my lecturer's expertise is social science
23:54.12Wormy_<PROTECTED>
23:54.13MonetCould there be a natural science professor you could talk to?
23:55.17Wormy_<PROTECTED>
23:56.34Wormy_I'm studying information visualisation, simulation modelling and games
23:56.43Wormy_this semester
23:57.12Wormy_Also I went to some compytability modules for a bit but realised I don't have the background to keep up
23:57.19Wormy_*computability
23:58.28Wormy_That's stuff like "what time and resources will it take to compute this problem", "can it be computed at all", useful because you can tell your emplyer "I can't simulate your request, sorry, not in 1000 million years" or "not ever"
23:59.01Monet"I have never been surrounded by so many muscular men since, well since last night" - Stephen Fry on the opening BAFTA performance of acrobats.

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