| 00:00.00 | Wormy_ | Oh its a film, I thought it was a series |
| 00:00.05 | ImpyDroid | It felt more appropriate for Star Wars than anything |
| 00:00.15 | Hachiman | Me and Oluap fling shit at each other all the time, it's funny |
| 00:00.22 | Wormy_ | I really hope it captures the alienness of the other |
| 00:00.24 | Hachiman | We talk more on Skype than we do on IRC |
| 00:00.25 | ImpyDroid | A dash of soft sci-fi in an otherwise hard movie |
| 00:00.27 | ImpyDroid | It does |
| 00:00.43 | OluapPlayer | Most of our talk isn't pertinent to the IRC, or is too big for IRC messages |
| 00:01.03 | ImpyDroid | On the other hand |
| 00:01.06 | Xho | Explains some things |
| 00:01.08 | ImpyDroid | Linguists save the day |
| 00:01.16 | ImpyDroid | Somebody fucking remembers us |
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| 00:01.32 | ImpyDroid | Hi Drodo |
| 00:01.38 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
| 00:01.40 | OluapPlayer | I'm already suffering from severe Hachi withdraw and he's not even gone yet |
| 00:02.24 | ImpyDroid | Also Hachiman |
| 00:02.24 | Wormy_ | I'll make a Hachi finger puppet for you |
| 00:02.27 | OluapPlayer | Hachi is like cocaine if cocaine refused to finish his fiction |
| 00:02.28 | ImpyDroid | Where am I supposed to make ice walls as Mei |
| 00:02.29 | DrodoEmpire | puts a blanket over OluapPlayer's shivering shoulders |
| 00:02.37 | DrodoEmpire | They're just temporary withdrawl symptoms |
| 00:02.43 | Hachiman | ImpyDroid: Opening points |
| 00:02.49 | Hachiman | Like walls and gateways |
| 00:02.58 | Hachiman | Also in front of payloads |
| 00:03.04 | ImpyDroid | Wormy_: I'll make a Hachi boxing punch bag |
| 00:03.14 | Hachiman | Also in front of the enemy team's spawn point |
| 00:03.31 | ImpyDroid | A really short one too for realism |
| 00:03.35 | Xho | You know it's just occurred to me that I have no actual user on this wiki who I'm most similar to |
| 00:03.36 | ImpyDroid | Right |
| 00:03.38 | Xho | Kind of sad really |
| 00:03.51 | ImpyDroid | Xho: Neither do I |
| 00:03.58 | Hachiman | Xho: TimeMaster because you're both dead and a bit dickish |
| 00:04.05 | ImpyDroid | Drodo maybe, Monet maybe |
| 00:04.15 | ImpyDroid | Maybe Tybusen |
| 00:04.21 | Xho | Hachiman: To be honest my dickishness is catching up on me in a ball of semi-suicidal self-hatred |
| 00:04.21 | DrodoEmpire | Me and Monet are both EVIL REACTIONARY CONSERVATIVES |
| 00:04.26 | DrodoEmpire | REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |
| 00:04.30 | Wormy_ | I dunno, sometimes we have the same opinions on the monotonousness of reality |
| 00:04.30 | DrodoEmpire | >.> |
| 00:04.40 | ImpyDroid | DrodoEmpire: LITERALLY HITLERS |
| 00:04.43 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 00:04.51 | Hachiman | Xho: Great moves Xho, keep it up, proud of you |
| 00:04.58 | ImpyDroid | Tybusen I get along with really well but there is one problem |
| 00:05.00 | Xho | Wow |
| 00:05.07 | ImpyDroid | We literally live on two opposite sides of the planet |
| 00:05.12 | DrodoEmpire | ayy lmao |
| 00:05.17 | Hachiman | In seriousness you should probably see a doctor or therapist |
| 00:05.23 | Xho | Also I'd rather not be compared to TimeMaster, he actually was a dick |
| 00:05.34 | ImpyDroid | drom is actually a lot like me |
| 00:05.40 | ImpyDroid | In that he is not very active |
| 00:05.48 | ImpyDroid | A bit insecure |
| 00:05.58 | Hachiman | I'm like the Genie because you guys haven't ever had a friend like me and that's a good thing |
| 00:06.04 | ImpyDroid | By the way speaking of France |
| 00:06.13 | ImpyDroid | I recently met a girl whose surname is literally Hon |
| 00:06.21 | Hachiman | The sex must be awkward |
| 00:06.36 | Xho | I've noticed lately that everyone's become increasingly distant from me and it's mostly my doing Either that or vice versa |
| 00:06.39 | ImpyDroid | Also I have no idea how to call it |
| 00:06.45 | ImpyDroid | call her even |
| 00:06.50 | Hachiman | >"Call my name!" >Literally do your best Spy impression |
| 00:06.58 | ImpyDroid | Her actual name is Alyona |
| 00:07.00 | Wormy_ | Who would you say I'm most like? |
| 00:07.24 | ImpyDroid | But there is already an Alyona in my circle |
| 00:07.27 | Hachiman | ImpyDroid: You call her Big Gay Al |
| 00:07.45 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 00:08.00 | Monet | Xho: *shrugs* Sometimes it takes two to tango. |
| 00:08.01 | ImpyDroid | But I do not want her to be gay |
| 00:08.15 | Xho | I am serious this time around however |
| 00:08.25 | ImpyDroid | Wormy_: Ghel |
| 00:08.29 | Xho | Not even sure if I can undo the damage this time around |
| 00:08.37 | ImpyDroid | Xho: Val |
| 00:08.43 | Xho | literally who |
| 00:08.53 | ImpyDroid | Your counterpart |
| 00:08.55 | ImpyDroid | Val works |
| 00:09.05 | ImpyDroid | Actually waait |
| 00:09.07 | ImpyDroid | Randomness |
| 00:09.16 | ImpyDroid | There we go your counterpart |
| 00:09.25 | Monet | Xho: honestly, I disagree this time the damage can't be undone. |
| 00:09.52 | Wormy_ | I don't think I'm much like Ghel other than us both being science boxes |
| 00:10.09 | Wormy_ | And dislike of giving opinions |
| 00:10.18 | Xho | The last episode I had where I pretty much fucked up all my fiction pretty much did it |
| 00:10.24 | Monet | The best counter to an entropic collapse, is to work against that entropy. |
| 00:10.33 | Hachiman | Or Dream energy |
| 00:10.44 | Wormy_ | I used to model myself on Ose, back in the day |
| 00:10.56 | Xho | Ever since I've noticed no one really wants to impart their attention on me |
| 00:11.21 | Xho | Trust me, I've been trying and I'm beginning to wonder whether my kindness towards people is useless |
| 00:11.51 | DrodoEmpire | Xho, please, if you're honestly feeling this way seek professional help |
| 00:11.58 | DrodoEmpire | It really is all I can advise |
| 00:12.07 | Hachiman | I mean, I did it a while back |
| 00:12.17 | Hachiman | I still feel like shit but not quite as much |
| 00:12.37 | ImpyDroid | Wormy_: There is one thing I noticed about you, you are very receptive to new information and dialogue |
| 00:12.45 | ImpyDroid | In that regard you may be similar to Mon |
| 00:13.19 | Wormy_ | Well I like maing connections between new and old information, and relations between ideas |
| 00:14.02 | ImpyDroid | I just kind of find you to be the person who will listen most of the time |
| 00:14.07 | Monet | Xho: I'm with Drodo on this. I worry about your mental health. |
| 00:14.51 | Xho | Hm |
| 00:15.14 | Monet | Stick by people and they'll stick by you. A true friend will be there even if months can pass without a word. |
| 00:16.07 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 00:18.45 | Cyrannian | Hachiman: wait, you're leaving? This saddens the waptor |
| 00:20.05 | Wormy_ | I must say, all this talk of suicide makes me uncomfortable, because if people here seriously are, I feel like I must help but also don't know how and I'm afraid to say anything |
| 00:20.57 | OluapPlayer | I'm clearly not, and if I were I'd probably not be telling people in public |
| 00:21.46 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:22.05 | OluapPlayer | Hachiman Wormy_: http://is2.4chan.org/v/1486505589310.jpg |
| 00:22.25 | OluapPlayer | Oh Xho too since he's into Jack now |
| 00:22.44 | Xho | oh dear |
| 00:22.57 | Wormy_ | Too much internets for tonight |
| 00:24.05 | Cyrannian | If you'd like to discuss our ebul plot Xho, just let me know |
| 00:25.20 | Xho | Maybe later |
| 00:25.24 | Hachiman | Cyrannian: I am afraid I shall be taking an excursion into France for some time and there's definitive date on when I'll be back in the UK |
| 00:25.32 | Hachiman | Which will / could affect my availability here |
| 00:25.59 | Cyrannian | Will you still be around on IRC? |
| 00:26.23 | Hachiman | When I can |
| 00:26.40 | Hachiman | Although given this is France, the SOUTH of France, internet will likely be crap |
| 00:30.11 | OluapPlayer | Who knows, maybe it turns out it's better than your current crapnet |
| 00:39.25 | Hachiman | Out of curiosity |
| 00:39.32 | Hachiman | Who owns Xa'in and Korishimia |
| 00:41.27 | Wormy_ | Me |
| 00:42.14 | Hachiman | Ah, so you do still own them |
| 00:42.22 | Hachiman | I thought you handed control over to Imp for some reason |
| 00:42.31 | Wormy_ | I let people use them though, so long as they are presented as an advanced but isolationist island nation/s in a lake |
| 00:42.59 | Wormy_ | They look like the Earth and Fire nations in Avatar, in my mind |
| 00:43.15 | Hachiman | That's rather cool |
| 00:48.20 | Wormy_ | I have some ideas for Fantasyverse fiction, mostly adventure based stories. But I doubt they will come to fruition. |
| 00:53.33 | Cyrannian | What you need is someone to nag you |
| 00:54.17 | Hachiman | I wonder if the Islanders have Samurai from their pre-industrial days |
| 00:54.24 | Hachiman | Elf samurai is just such a cool idea to me hur |
| 00:55.02 | Wormy_ | quite possibly |
| 00:56.49 | OluapPlayer | Nagging only works with Cyrannian |
| 00:56.56 | OluapPlayer | trying with anyone else just gets me excuses |
| 00:57.00 | Hachiman | And Hachi only occasionally |
| 00:59.08 | OluapPlayer | Hachi is the one who comes up with excuses |
| 00:59.35 | Hachiman | I only come up with excuses because [insert excuse here] |
| 01:08.18 | DrodoEmpire | ayy lmao |
| 01:32.45 | Tybusen | http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/d/d0/Dolarico_Volaraed.png/revision/latest?cb=20170208013154 DrodoEmpire ImpyDroid Monet scheming spodepenguin |
| 01:34.18 | Monet | Evil pengi |
| 01:36.32 | Monet | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ywRwirmSJ4 "In the land of Mordor, in the fires of Mount Mordor the dark lord Mordor forged in secret a Mordor ring to troll all others" |
| 01:36.45 | Wormy_ | night |
| 01:45.49 | Tybusen | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Skal%27Vokra.png DrodoEmpire ImpyDroid Monet big baddie demons |
| 01:49.59 | Monet | Looks menacing |
| 01:51.28 | Tybusen | I was trying to invoke some of the air of some of the big spiky demons on the Wiki, though still humanoid enough to have recognizable gestures |
| 02:00.46 | DrodoEmpire | Almost looks undead |
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| 11:08.17 | Wormy_ | HI |
| 11:14.51 | Ghelae | Hi |
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| 12:23.36 | Wormy_ | Hyperloop crashes and BURNS!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXF2qcu-tFw |
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| 13:44.27 | Wormy_ | Hamster fed a cocktail of cannabis lsd and tizer http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-38906351 |
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| 14:40.54 | NeonPanda | hi all |
| 14:53.55 | Ghelae | Hi |
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| 15:00.19 | Valader | Hi |
| 15:04.37 | Ghelae | Hi |
| 15:15.34 | NeonPanda | https://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=991634 can someone go to this link and tell me if the fields have information in them? |
| 15:25.12 | Ghelae | NeonPanda: They're all empty. |
| 15:25.45 | NeonPanda | Yeah, just found a message from the service itself. |
| 15:25.48 | NeonPanda | Hachiman: we have a problem |
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| 15:34.47 | Jepardi | Hi |
| 15:36.42 | Ghelae | Hi |
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| 15:41.45 | Cyrannian | Hello everyone |
| 15:42.04 | Valader | Hi |
| 15:42.36 | Valader | How's everything going Cyrannian? |
| 15:43.02 | Cyrannian | I'm doing well, thanks for asking! Currently organising the featured articles for February. How are you? |
| 15:43.11 | Ghelae | Hi |
| 15:43.56 | Cyrannian | So featured articles are: Uniate League, Willelmus Cretacea, the Shattered Peace and Tzquuucha |
| 15:44.48 | Valader | Everything's fine! Working a lot on my fiction. |
| 15:44.59 | Valader | Uniate league! Go spodists! |
| 15:46.08 | Cyrannian | So I saw, was reading the Krassio page, it's good to see them around again! |
| 15:46.35 | OluapPlayer | ~eat Cyrannian |
| 15:46.38 | infobot | ACTION slurps up all the Cyrannian available |
| 15:46.41 | Cyrannian | ~tickle OluapPlayer |
| 15:46.42 | infobot | ACTION jumps on OluapPlayer, yelling "TICKLE FIGHT!!!!" |
| 15:46.57 | Cyrannian | Valader: Would you be interested in making a character for this: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Ald%C3%A1rae_Order |
| 15:50.42 | Valader | Cyrannian: Interesting, what do you want me to do? |
| 15:51.37 | Valader | A warrior? Diplomat? |
| 15:51.51 | Cyrannian | I added a bit of backstory to Master Ryen that he trained under Hierarch Kroc (http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Ryen#Early_Life.2C_Student_of_the_Krassio_and_the_Unknown_Order ), so perhaps a Krassio warrior? |
| 15:54.09 | Valader | I like the idea, I'll wrap it up later today, maybe we can say that he doesn't go out much out of fear of being discovered by the Xol'Etra and involving them in the war in the process |
| 15:55.15 | Valader | So we can say that he spends most of his time doing battle meditation in favor of the Ald'rae Order and the New Republic |
| 15:57.30 | Valader | Battle mediation is a state of constant prayer, where the words said by the psionic user have a passive effect on troops, raising morale and even empowering individuals if focused on one person |
| 15:58.20 | Valader | It's an indirect way to fight... Yet it may help you as a deterrent to turn the tide of some battles. |
| 15:58.52 | Valader | What do you think? |
| 16:00.01 | Cyrannian | Ooh I really like that idea |
| 16:00.16 | Cyrannian | That would prove very useful in the Great War I'm sure |
| 16:01.40 | Valader | All right, I'll work on that then |
| 16:02.01 | Valader | I'll let you know when the concept is done |
| 16:02.58 | Cyrannian | Yey, thanks Val |
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| 16:05.19 | Valader | Gotta go! See you around! |
| 16:06.27 | Cyrannian | OluapPlayer: Updated my navbox and realised that I should expand on the Confederacy at some point, Cassynder is the only page other than the main one |
| 16:06.48 | OluapPlayer | Yes you should |
| 16:07.38 | Cyrannian | You could also help with that Imperios |
| 16:07.45 | Imperios | Who calls me |
| 16:07.59 | Imperios | Oh definitely I could expand on Xor Nazar and the Wexord |
| 16:08.24 | Cyrannian | Aye, plus I could make a page for the Confederate fleet and officers |
| 16:10.17 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Featured_Article - tfw you're running low on good mainspace articles |
| 16:14.35 | Hachiman | Cyrannian: Hey, when do you reckon Hachi could come in and sign up to help the Order? |
| 16:15.07 | Cyrannian | I should be free tonight if you'd like to RP it |
| 16:16.00 | Hachiman | I've already got an RP planned with Oluap I need to do to finish off a story we're doing, so perhaps the next time you're free or something? |
| 16:16.49 | Cyrannian | aye, should be pretty free for the foreseeable future so whenever suits |
| 16:18.20 | Technobliterator | Reminds me, I probably should finish that Borealis War stuff today :| |
| 16:20.15 | OluapPlayer | Yes, yes you should |
| 16:20.16 | Cyrannian | bbl |
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| 16:24.25 | Treebeard | Hello |
| 16:39.39 | Imperios | OluapPlayer: You doing an RP atm right? |
| 16:39.46 | OluapPlayer | Yes |
| 16:39.50 | Imperios | alright |
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| 17:30.02 | Xho | Hi |
| 17:30.38 | OluapPlayer | hi |
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| 17:35.03 | DrodoEmpire | Hi everyone |
| 17:41.09 | Tek0516 | So Wiz has been teasing some big Stellaris event chain for the next version. If it tells you anything one event option has "Do not do this." in it in red letters. XD |
| 17:41.24 | Tek0516 | Hey DrodoEmpire |
| 17:41.28 | Xho | Sounds scary tho |
| 17:41.29 | Xho | And hi |
| 17:41.41 | DrodoEmpire | olol |
| 17:42.15 | Xho | Still got 3 and a half hours on Fallout 4 |
| 17:42.20 | Xho | dis game tho |
| 17:44.03 | Tek0516 | imgur.com/a/Rt5Pe This is the fourth pic he's shown, the rest are in his twitter |
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| 17:45.08 | Monet | hi |
| 17:45.47 | Tek0516 | Hi |
| 18:04.25 | Xho | Hachiman Imperios OluapPlayer: I'm making a wendigo in Spore, should I give them an animal head or a humanoid head |
| 18:04.30 | Imperios | Humanoid |
| 18:04.32 | Hachiman | Animal |
| 18:04.34 | OluapPlayer | Animal |
| 18:04.41 | Imperios | They are basically humans anyway |
| 18:04.41 | Hachiman | Deer wendigo are best wendigo |
| 18:04.45 | Hachiman | Well no |
| 18:04.46 | Hachiman | Kinda |
| 18:06.39 | Technobliterator | Wow, new Halo Wars 2 trailer looks pretty decent |
| 18:07.06 | OluapPlayer | master chef |
| 18:07.41 | Technobliterator | I never cared for Halo the gameplay, but its lore was always neat |
| 18:07.52 | Technobliterator | so I may consider picking this up |
| 18:13.48 | Imperios | Xho: http://ru.gsk.com/media/476913/aquafresh.jpg?width=2048&quality=40&mode=crop Remind me to show that to dino |
| 18:13.52 | Imperios | >tfw when your flag is literally a toothpaste |
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| 18:14.05 | Wormy_ | hello |
| 18:28.31 | Wormy_ | Imperios: Tell me all you know from linguistics about the expressive power of languages. Are languages really constrained by the ideas they can express; are some better than others or just different? And are languages constrained by the meanings or simply the rules? |
| 18:29.54 | Imperios | Wormy_: A language can really be *better* only inasmuch as it can express more information |
| 18:29.56 | Imperios | Let me explain |
| 18:30.24 | Wormy_ | In computer science for example, database manipulation follows first order logic, but it there are queries it cannot express due to the limits of databases... But you'd think if it runs on first order logic, you could express all queries. |
| 18:30.52 | Wormy_ | Right, so its based on information content |
| 18:31.21 | Imperios | The only real division is between fully developed languages with a literary norm, a writing system, and a variety of forms so that it can be used in different situations |
| 18:31.58 | Imperios | And those that aren't |
| 18:32.58 | Imperios | But even that division can easily be breached, and has been breached repeatedly over time; it is a natural process for languages to expand to accomodate more meanings |
| 18:33.23 | Imperios | People speak, and inevitably come up with words for new concepts they were previously unfamiliar with, or borrow them from other language |
| 18:33.56 | Wormy_ | Yeah, like the way English incorporates words like schadenfreude? |
| 18:34.06 | Imperios | Yeah |
| 18:35.32 | Imperios | That's how languages that were once only dialects - Afrikaans or Ukrainian for example - or were used by primitive peoples such as, say, Zulu - developed into full-fledged national languages |
| 18:36.11 | Imperios | Every language possesses that capacity to develop, because that is ingrained within the human mind, especially the mind of a child |
| 18:36.39 | Imperios | Have you heard of the Papuan Tok Pisin? |
| 18:36.55 | Wormy_ | I haven't |
| 18:37.21 | Imperios | It is a language that literally developed from broken English |
| 18:38.12 | Imperios | It originated from simple pidgins used in Oceania, English as interpreted by natives who never had the opportunity to actually learn it but had to use it to converse with the British colonists |
| 18:38.14 | Wormy_ | Intriguing |
| 18:38.54 | Imperios | Yet over time, as it became *native*, it developed into a full-fledged in its own grammar, based on rather... clever interpretation of English |
| 18:39.48 | Imperios | For example, they took the word "belong" and reinterpeted it as a genitive (like "of something" or "something's") |
| 18:41.21 | Imperios | This language is thus no worse than English: it too has its own grammar and the Papuans have no understanding problems when they talk Tok Pisin with each other |
| 18:41.36 | Imperios | It is a system that works as a mode of communication, despite its... ignoble origins |
| 18:42.10 | DrodoEmpire | To be fair, most of the world's languages have pretty dubious origins |
| 18:42.12 | Wormy_ | Ah, I have heard the term "pidgin English", so now I know what it means: a language built upon errors of another lanfuage system |
| 18:42.25 | DrodoEmpire | The only difference here is that its recent |
| 18:42.45 | Imperios | DrodoEmpire: Ironically if you think about it, the world's most common languages are also the most... pollutes |
| 18:42.50 | Imperios | *polluted |
| 18:43.11 | Imperios | Spanish is probably the only exception but even it was influenced somewhat by Arabic |
| 18:43.34 | Imperios | Meanwhile, English is basically German fucked up by Romance and Old Norse |
| 18:43.41 | Imperios | French is Romance fucked up by German |
| 18:43.57 | Imperios | Russian is East Slavic fucked up by Old Church Slavonic |
| 18:44.06 | Wormy_ | So in the context of thinking beings, languages expand their expressive power. While when one talks about language formally (how computers treat languages), you have only so much information you can express |
| 18:44.34 | Imperios | Yeah, of course other sign systems are something else altogether |
| 18:45.01 | DrodoEmpire | Imperios: yeah pretty much |
| 18:45.08 | Imperios | Linguistics sees language as, essentially, the highest/most complex sign system; I swear I remember there being a formal division |
| 18:45.16 | Imperios | But I must have slept through this part of the lesson |
| 18:45.47 | Imperios | I think it was its universality |
| 18:45.58 | Imperios | Or a more complex hierarchy |
| 18:46.53 | Wormy_ | Sign systems are where my interest comes in. I'm studying information visualisation atm, which involves visual units like hues, lengths, ordered sequences to cognitise insights into hidden patterns of data. But different patterns correspond with different visual structures, and I'm guessing, there must be some expressive power involved. |
| 18:48.08 | Imperios | Wormy_: http://dh7pcxiz5gws2.cloudfront.net/scripturepictures/tpi.png Here's an example of Tok Pisin |
| 18:48.57 | Imperios | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/56/Tok_Pisin_Road_Work_Warning_Sign.jpg This one is kind of funny |
| 18:49.19 | Wormy_ | "Work along road, stop cars" as I gues? |
| 18:50.32 | Imperios | Something like that |
| 18:50.43 | Imperios | "Work on road, cars must stop if you see the red sign." |
| 18:53.33 | Wormy_ | Speaking formally of language, I wonder whether the schema (the structure or facts about an idea or data) has a certain effective complexity which a language might need or less to express |
| 18:53.53 | Wormy_ | *need more or less |
| 18:54.22 | Imperios | Hm |
| 18:54.51 | Xho | OluapPlayer Imperios Hachiman: http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/4/4f/Wendigo2017.png/revision/latest?cb=20170208185427 |
| 18:54.54 | Monet | Xho: A stag's head really works. |
| 18:55.02 | Hachiman | Nice work |
| 18:55.02 | Imperios | Well actually going back to the idea of language being constrained by ideas, different languages might have different ideas of what is relevant and what isn't |
| 18:55.06 | Hachiman | I really like it |
| 18:55.08 | Imperios | Xho: I'm going to fucking eat your brain |
| 18:55.17 | Imperios | I like how skinny it is |
| 18:55.21 | Hachiman | Looks like something out of Bloodborne |
| 18:55.34 | OluapPlayer | Give it a tiny arm and it's the Cleric Beast |
| 18:55.38 | Hachiman | Wendigos should be skinny considering they're always hungry and it's part of their curse to never be satisfied |
| 18:56.42 | Imperios | This is the most obvious in colours. You know how green and blue are frequently not separated in East Asian languages? |
| 18:57.22 | Imperios | So you could say that each language would provide slightly different facts about something |
| 18:58.08 | Wormy_ | I didn't, but I did know that a study on communities across the African content have different ideas on the division of blue and green, with more labels for hues of one colour or another |
| 18:58.16 | Wormy_ | *continent |
| 18:58.22 | Imperios | Hell, our languages have different ideas about colours |
| 18:58.33 | Xho | What exactly does a Wendigo go under since it's a malignant spirt |
| 18:58.35 | Xho | spirit |
| 18:58.49 | Imperios | Russian has two words for blue |
| 18:58.54 | OluapPlayer | What do you mean? |
| 18:58.59 | Xho | Species classification |
| 18:59.05 | OluapPlayer | Ah |
| 18:59.07 | Xho | Not exactly anything normal |
| 18:59.15 | OluapPlayer | Wendigos are humans cursed after practicing cannibalism |
| 18:59.26 | OluapPlayer | So they're not their own race |
| 18:59.36 | Wormy_ | The database for example (I described it the wrong way around, above) is formalised with first order logic, but there is queries for certain kinds of content you can't formalise in strict form |
| 19:00.38 | Hachiman | They could likely be a subrace of some deiwos species / multiple deiwes |
| 19:00.53 | OluapPlayer | I'd consider it close to therianthropy |
| 19:00.56 | OluapPlayer | It's a curse, not a species |
| 19:02.08 | Xho | Hm |
| 19:02.12 | NeonPanda | Hachiman: Iunno, might be all the things I get bombarded with about eating disorders, but I always imagine hunger-related things as being really fat |
| 19:02.19 | Xho | I was thinking a form of dark elemental but they're not really elementals |
| 19:03.06 | OluapPlayer | Being skinny is a better way of showing starvation than being fat tho |
| 19:03.11 | Hachiman | NeonPanda: I think fat is more to indicate greediness or gluttony while being stick thin is more to do with starvation, which is what a person suffering wendigo psychosis does |
| 19:04.18 | Hachiman | It's not simply a desire to eat more, it's a rabid, wild necessity to eat human flesh while suffering persistent, agonizing hunger pains |
| 19:05.12 | Xho | Because it's a nightmarishly driven monster I was thinking that their Koldenweltian origins were tied to a curse planted by Kaicaiusarin |
| 19:05.21 | NeonPanda | *shrugs* I'd still play off the weirdness of it being fat yet constantly hungry |
| 19:06.25 | Hachiman | Xho: When I initially thought of doing wendigos, I imagined them as being elves / humans who, over the course of generations, were rapidly mentally degenerated and physically mutated by strong, wild dark magic |
| 19:06.30 | OluapPlayer | ur a fatty |
| 19:06.37 | Xho | Could mix both of them |
| 19:06.43 | Hachiman | Yeah, mixing them could work |
| 19:07.10 | NeonPanda | again, that's probably because I'm more tinged by various media on eating disorders, wherein people tend to see themselves as the opposite of what they are (like how anorexic people think they're too fat) |
| 19:08.22 | Hachiman | Eh I just find fat hungry creatures generic tbh |
| 19:08.35 | Hachiman | I find thin, constantly hungry creatures to be more disturbing |
| 19:09.37 | Xho | what exactly is the plural of Wendigo |
| 19:09.42 | Hachiman | Wendigos |
| 19:10.01 | Hachiman | Or could just use wendigo |
| 19:10.13 | Hachiman | Like how the plural of fish is fish |
| 19:11.09 | OluapPlayer | glub |
| 19:13.13 | Imperios | https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/windigo |
| 19:13.21 | Imperios | plural windigo or windigos or windigog |
| 19:13.23 | Imperios | >windigog |
| 19:13.32 | Xho | careful nao |
| 19:13.49 | Hachiman | nigginog |
| 19:13.52 | Xho | c |
| 19:13.55 | Xho | y u do dis |
| 19:14.28 | OluapPlayer | kek |
| 19:18.09 | NeonPanda | Monet: so I found something interesting, a random GTA V objectives generator |
| 19:18.23 | Monet | What have you found |
| 19:20.52 | Xho | OluapPlayer: Would have the Kormacvarah worked with the Natelevarà Elves to cull the Wendigo populace in the ancient world |
| 19:21.23 | Xho | i can't gramar |
| 19:21.28 | OluapPlayer | If they existed in the Western Forests, I guess |
| 19:21.29 | NeonPanda | basically, among other things you push a button and it randomly generates a set of challenges, ranging from the standard "Kill 10 people with the antique cavalry dagger" to stealing a specific car, running over and killing 10 people with it, then respraying and selling it |
| 19:22.13 | Wormy_ | Imperios: Would you say that, the structure of the rules of a language also define the kinds of ideas it can contain. Lemme think, you can't functionally program or do OOP in a declarative language, or at least not without tremendously huge blocks of code |
| 19:22.31 | Imperios | The rules themselves, probably not |
| 19:22.43 | Imperios | The lexicon yes |
| 19:24.07 | Imperios | But, when an idea surfaces in a culture, its language will eventually incorporate it |
| 19:25.01 | Wormy_ | I mean, things like while loops and for loops to my knowledge, couldn't be written in mySQL, and that might constrain me from doing certain things with it (also once you have loops you can construct Turing machines and obtain universality) |
| 19:26.34 | Wormy_ | I don't know what that might correspond to in linguistics |
| 19:29.34 | Imperios | Well for example things like definite/indefinite article (a, the) do not exist in every language, so it is hard for someone who does not speak, say, English or Arabic to pinpoint the idea of definitivity |
| 19:30.18 | Imperios | But that of course does not mean that, say, Russian speakers do not understand the difference between a book (just any book), or the book (this book in particular), they just do not have that strict dichotomy in their mind |
| 19:31.32 | Wormy_ | That makes sense |
| 19:32.30 | Wormy_ | Social animals understand the difference between fiction and fact (play fighting and real fighting) without spoken language |
| 19:33.53 | Wormy_ | So certain meanings are dropped or gained by different languages, and with human languages, they don't need to be superformal |
| 19:34.21 | Wormy_ | While with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlooP_and_FlooP , only one has unbounded loops as a model of computation |
| 19:34.31 | Wormy_ | That's rather extreme |
| 19:36.46 | Wormy_ | Its helpful that humans are Turing-complete and also have weird creative / analogical / possibly non-deterministic thinking |
| 19:41.16 | Imperios | Hachiman: http://is2.4chan.org/pol/1486576246578.jpg |
| 19:41.20 | Imperios | DrodoEmpire too |
| 19:41.35 | DrodoEmpire | ayy lmao |
| 19:41.40 | Imperios | Do you think destroying anime is worth consorting with the enemy or not |
| 19:44.13 | DrodoEmpire | Well |
| 19:44.19 | DrodoEmpire | It *is* quite a difficult question |
| 19:44.20 | DrodoEmpire | <.< |
| 19:44.47 | DrodoEmpire | Destroy anime now... |
| 19:44.52 | DrodoEmpire | ...Retake Constantinople later |
| 19:44.57 | DrodoEmpire | Sounds good to me |
| 19:46.00 | Xho | Hachiman Imperios OluapPlayer: Is it said anywhere of how Wendigos behave with one another |
| 19:46.18 | Xho | Because Wendigos with a pack mentality is bad juju |
| 19:46.59 | Hachiman | I think they're solitary creatures, like T. Rexes, but there's no reason you can't have them be pack animals |
| 19:47.09 | Hachiman | Or act like pack animals, rather |
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| 19:47.15 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 19:47.24 | Xho | I have made a slight distinction that older Wendigos are smarter than their newer converts |
| 19:47.29 | Xho | Still mostly feral of course |
| 19:50.34 | Xho | One other thing |
| 19:50.40 | Xho | Are Wendigos actually killable |
| 19:51.05 | Xho | Right now I have the idea that fire/light/sun magic is seriously damaging to them |
| 19:52.54 | OluapPlayer | Considering wendigos are typically associated with the cold, they'd probably hate fire |
| 19:53.38 | Xho | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Wendigo go mad |
| 19:56.03 | OluapPlayer | wendong |
| 19:56.31 | Xho | Ah fuck |
| 19:56.42 | Xho | F5 that |
| 19:58.10 | DrodoEmpire | Huh interesting |
| 19:58.59 | Hachiman | You know |
| 19:59.04 | Hachiman | That's a really nice job you've done |
| 19:59.09 | Imperios | OluapPlayer Monet Xho: http://knig-deshevle.net/img/small/978-5-699-53833-1.jpg ...How... |
| 19:59.34 | Xho | Hachiman: You don't have to lay it on me because I'm in a real shit state of being atm |
| 19:59.41 | Xho | But thanks anyway |
| 20:00.26 | Monet | Imperios: Stalin...master of the space race? |
| 20:00.31 | Monet | Stalin the cosmonaut? |
| 20:00.38 | Imperios | Look at what he is doing |
| 20:00.46 | Xho | Good point |
| 20:04.02 | Hachiman | Xho: https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/16508843_1245004728911292_197639577285679547_n.jpg?oh=49dcb33f6786f5ce2cf8638a63c71b06&oe=58FF22BC |
| 20:04.18 | Xho | hoh |
| 20:27.01 | Wormy_ | Imperios: Given that the restrictions of language at any present moment does not restrict the meanings in people's heads, and I wanted to bring expressivity into information visualisation, I expect that trying to formalise expressive power wouldn't measure the full potential anyway. Though that makes it harder to measure the effectiveness of infoVis precisely |
| 20:29.37 | Wormy_ | And I suppose EP in computer science is more about length of tasks used to resolve a query or solve a problem from a given ruleset. But with humans who already learned those tasks, you can say the meaing of a word and they'll guess to good approximation what you mean straight away |
| 20:30.25 | Wormy_ | So there's a distinction in how expressiveness is applied in computability, linguistics, visualisation |
| 20:32.41 | Wormy_ | But thanks, this was a good insight into not getting confused over the uses |
| 21:03.28 | Imperios | Xho: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qywLOtwJY_E |
| 21:04.46 | Xho | tf2 in a nutshell |
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| 21:29.19 | Hachiman | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Doctrina_Venefica/Second_Term#6.2F7.2F35:_A_Year_Ends.2C_Another_Year_Begins And so, after almost a year (specifically 10 months), Doctrina Venefica is finally concluded |
| 21:29.40 | OluapPlayer | FUCK |
| 21:29.55 | DrodoEmpire | heyy |
| 21:29.59 | DrodoEmpire | That's pretty good |
| 21:30.02 | DrodoEmpire | <.< |
| 21:30.26 | Hachiman | git ur memes outta here kiddo |
| 21:31.42 | DrodoEmpire | >: |
| 21:36.13 | Imperios | Hachiman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-1nCkPUvYY |
| 21:36.27 | Imperios | Accurate |
| 21:36.30 | Hachiman | hao bout pharah lerns 2 fukn reed doctrina ending |
| 21:41.48 | DrodoEmpire | >completely annihilate the entire Moroccan army in a single, short battle in EUIV |
| 21:41.58 | DrodoEmpire | That's why you want high-shock generals bois |
| 21:51.25 | Xho | Hachiman OluapPlayer: Mortium - WELCOME TO THE PARADISE FIELDS MOTHERFUCKER |
| 21:57.13 | Xho | Monet: >tfw 16 minutes left on the download |
| 21:58.55 | Monet | Prepare for double Nuka Cola. |
| 22:16.35 | Tek0516 | The one thing that always bothered me about my university cafeteria is that it literally essentially shuts down right before dinner. >.< |
| 22:25.39 | Xho | lolnofood4u |
| 22:29.20 | Tek0516 | Well some stuff is open, but only two places and both run at reduced staff. |
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| 23:03.47 | ImpyDroid | Hi |
| 23:04.00 | ImpyDroid | Monet: How legitimate would you say is Fortune? |
| 23:04.03 | ImpyDroid | As a news source |
| 23:04.44 | OluapPlayer | ImpyDroid: Did you see Doctrina's ending |
| 23:05.00 | Monet | ImpyDroid: http://fortune.com/ this? |
| 23:07.04 | Monet | http://addisfortune.net/ or this? |
| 23:08.32 | Wormy_ | http://i.imgur.com/OIVqWQX.gifv |
| 23:09.56 | Monet | If the former, I find these Wall Street journalists (like the Economist) ot be fairly reliable - they can't really afford to say junk because that might sabotage the NASDAQ and by being a monthly subscriber-supported magazine (again, like the Economist) they tend to have more time ot get their facts straight. |
| 23:09.57 | DrodoEmpire | That kitten is beautiful |
| 23:10.05 | DrodoEmpire | But that'd get annoying really quickly |
| 23:10.57 | Wormy_ | Still better than a dog obsessed in thumping your leg every time you move it |
| 23:10.58 | OluapPlayer | meow |
| 23:11.15 | Wormy_ | *humping |
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| 23:12.43 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 23:14.14 | Liquid_Ink | Hello |
| 23:15.38 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
| 23:31.01 | Wormy_ | Data visionary Hans Rosling died. I was only reading about him yesterday. |
| 23:32.28 | Wormy_ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sqnptxlCcw |
