| 00:01.20 | Wormy_ | There was plans to build a massive ugly council estate that cut through greenbelts around the town, it is actually in the world hiritage site classification, but as private land (with public footpaths that have been walked for probably centuries) someone want toi develop this cancer |
| 00:02.01 | Wormy_ | And conveniently enough, some rare bird species magically appeared |
| 00:02.24 | Wormy_ | No, actually it was a shrew or something like that |
| 00:02.37 | Wormy_ | The whole town was up in arms about it but that doesn't matter |
| 00:03.19 | Wormy_ | The plans won't go ahead now |
| 00:05.17 | Technobliterator | You seem to take much more notice of what happens in your area than I do |
| 00:05.46 | Technobliterator | Generally, we all just say we hate our council because they're terrible at planning roads, hence bad traffic |
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| 00:06.24 | Wormy_ | It isn't very big, that's why |
| 00:06.37 | Wormy_ | Our Tory council are horrendous |
| 00:06.57 | Wormy_ | They closed the food banks and declared there were no poor, but there are |
| 00:07.06 | Wormy_ | They closed the public toilets |
| 00:07.46 | Wormy_ | They opposed the development of Aldis because it might chapen the look of the town |
| 00:08.34 | Technobliterator | I guess local governments just suck in general |
| 00:08.39 | Wormy_ | I don't know why people vote for them really |
| 00:08.40 | Technobliterator | Our Labour council is terrible |
| 00:08.44 | ImpyDroid | DrodoEmpire: Actually about refugees, splitting them up and spreading them over Europe is a pretty sensible decision |
| 00:08.48 | Technobliterator | I don't know why people vote them back in |
| 00:08.53 | Technobliterator | when they cannot plan roads for shit |
| 00:09.01 | Wormy_ | I guess Labour is the alternative, and everyone has bad memories of Labour |
| 00:09.10 | ImpyDroid | I doubt Greece will be able to sustain half a million refugees on its own |
| 00:09.48 | Technobliterator | Only a few upper class areas vote Tory here |
| 00:09.56 | Technobliterator | But it voted Leave |
| 00:10.07 | Technobliterator | (I don't know why I say "here" when I don't live in Birmingham right now :|) |
| 00:11.00 | Wormy_ | Its more working class people here but you get a lot of working class Tory supporters in the older generations |
| 00:11.01 | ImpyDroid | You guys have a degree of personal connection to the local government |
| 00:11.20 | Technobliterator | No, not really |
| 00:11.39 | Technobliterator | Like, I know nothing about our local government, no one ever talks about them |
| 00:11.40 | Wormy_ | Yeah, its not like anyone feels they have a say |
| 00:11.42 | ImpyDroid | I suppose it feels different when you live in a city of ten million, I never really cared about Poltavchenko and what he is up to |
| 00:11.51 | Technobliterator | yeah, see |
| 00:11.57 | Technobliterator | I live in a city of about 1 million(?) |
| 00:12.00 | Technobliterator | and no one really cares |
| 00:12.03 | ImpyDroid | Oh so I am not alone here |
| 00:12.04 | Technobliterator | they just say that they suck |
| 00:12.13 | Technobliterator | because the traffic is bad |
| 00:12.30 | ImpyDroid | Oh wait nevermind five million not ten |
| 00:12.42 | Technobliterator | yeah, I was gonna say |
| 00:12.49 | Technobliterator | 10 million would be bigger than NYC :V |
| 00:13.00 | Technobliterator | That is crowded |
| 00:13.04 | ImpyDroid | Saint-Petersburg and Moscow are both huge |
| 00:13.28 | ImpyDroid | Moscow has 12 million citizen |
| 00:14.21 | ImpyDroid | ^ WE HAVE MORE LAND IN THE WORLD THAN ANY OTHER COUNTRY, HOW SHOULD WE SPREAD OUR CITIZENS? THAT IS RIGHT, MAKE THEN ALL LIVE IN TWO TINY CITIES |
| 00:14.43 | Technobliterator | I mean |
| 00:14.50 | Technobliterator | Isn't most of the land not very hospitable anyway :| |
| 00:15.21 | ImpyDroid | North @iberia maybe not |
| 00:15.23 | ImpyDroid | *S |
| 00:15.30 | ImpyDroid | But say Kuban is decent |
| 00:15.52 | ImpyDroid | North Caucasus is dangerous but otherwise decent |
| 00:15.52 | Wormy_ | World War III might be over quickly then |
| 00:15.59 | ImpyDroid | Even South Siberia is decent |
| 00:16.38 | ImpyDroid | Hell the area around this very city is decent |
| 00:16.59 | ImpyDroid | Miserable and rainy yes, but your entire country is like that and you somehow live with it |
| 00:17.20 | ImpyDroid | Yet outside Saint-Petersburg is nothing but tiny fucking cottages and villages and whatnot |
| 00:17.32 | ImpyDroid | Nevermind kind of detailed the discussion |
| 00:17.49 | Technobliterator | Do people seriously think World War III is going to happen? |
| 00:17.59 | Wormy_ | Nah |
| 00:18.02 | ImpyDroid | So it is rare that you really turn your sight towards the local government? |
| 00:18.23 | Wormy_ | Cold War II, maybe |
| 00:18.54 | Liquid_Ink_ | I don't think the Cold War actually ended. We just had a second détente. |
| 00:19.33 | Monet | Russia's not Communist anymore though |
| 00:19.46 | Monet | It's no longer capitalism vs socialism |
| 00:19.50 | ImpyDroid | Liquid_Ink_: But the ideological conflict is gone |
| 00:19.55 | ImpyDroid | So is the economical conflict |
| 00:20.04 | Liquid_Ink_ | It never war. It was about one imperialist state fighting another imperialist state. |
| 00:20.04 | Wormy_ | No, but some countries want to be recognised superpowers |
| 00:20.07 | ImpyDroid | We have a unified market and competition within this market |
| 00:20.13 | Liquid_Ink_ | Capitalism vs socialism was just the excuse. |
| 00:20.18 | ImpyDroid | Rather than two relatively separate markets |
| 00:20.23 | Wormy_ | And challenge US dominance in the world stage |
| 00:20.43 | Liquid_Ink_ | *never was |
| 00:20.49 | Wormy_ | They have a long way to actually catch up with the US though |
| 00:21.07 | ImpyDroid | Liquid_Ink_: Many higher-ups in the USSR would disagree with you, even at its height it was full of ideologues who really believed in communism |
| 00:21.31 | ImpyDroid | Which is why it lost, too many old people stuck in the old ways |
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| 00:26.04 | Liquid_Ink_ | Hey robot |
| 00:26.55 | Monet | I understand the CW as the Ruskie does. |
| 00:28.24 | Wormydroid | DrodoEmpire I think what you have with a lot of protests today is that the people don't possess any real knowledge or ability to reason and make moral judgements, so we see alott of dumb and cringe. I don't know whether its gotten worse, although media has made it more apparent |
| 00:28.57 | Wormydroid | I think same can be said for referendums and voting as well |
| 00:29.49 | ImpyDroid | Monet: I am not a Russkie u |
| 00:31.03 | Wormydroid | We're barraged with information and slogans, but not a lot of knowledge. |
| 00:32.58 | Wormydroid | I was talking to someone who argues democracy is flawed if uniformed votes have equal weight with informed ones |
| 00:33.10 | Technobliterator | I would not be inclined to agree |
| 00:33.26 | Technobliterator | If leaders fail to convinced uninformed voters, it's their fault |
| 00:34.04 | Technobliterator | The problem with democracy is mostly that we have a democratic system completely broken due to FPTP and a complete lack of direct democracy |
| 00:34.56 | Wormydroid | The problem is without voters who spend time at least making an informed opinion, politicians can use this to make mixed and confusing messaged |
| 00:35.30 | Technobliterator | ie "350 million will go to the NHS guys vote Leave" |
| 00:35.52 | Wormydroid | Yes |
| 00:36.15 | Monet | But people could have also been at fault for not fact-checking. |
| 00:36.24 | Wormydroid | If people spent their time researchibg and questioning that claim, a lot lesspeople would have voted leave |
| 00:36.48 | Technobliterator | It's not like a lot of people have the time to do that, though |
| 00:36.58 | Monet | For those who knew the £350mil was a half-truth or lie, we went "knew it/told you so" |
| 00:37.31 | Technobliterator | When you work full time and have a family to look after, it's not like you can do much. Also, many people are extremely cynical about politics, so they don't do much research as it just depresses them |
| 00:37.46 | Wormydroid | Anyway this guy I was talking to suggested that people's votes are weighted by their knowledge of world affairs, and that the knowledge should be made openly available so that people can improve their informed guesses |
| 00:38.14 | Technobliterator | I believe this is more a problem with mainstream media outlets |
| 00:38.31 | Wormydroid | I am critical of this too - it cpuld uncritically favour theories and we unequal if not wveryone has the same access |
| 00:38.43 | Wormydroid | Be unequal |
| 00:39.04 | Technobliterator | Like, look how they cover PMQs |
| 00:39.10 | Technobliterator | they never cover the issues that are actually discussed |
| 00:39.29 | Technobliterator | they just cover the gossip and who had the better joke |
| 00:39.36 | Technobliterator | like anyone will really give a fuck about that a day later |
| 00:42.38 | Wormydroid | I think politicians should have been clear from the start that referendums are meantvto be advisory |
| 00:43.23 | Wormydroid | The amount of excuses from our *representatives* that they should honour public opinion for once gets on my nerves |
| 00:43.31 | Monet | The Commons is a theatre. The real discussion happens within the halls and offices of Westminster. |
| 00:44.24 | Technobliterator | Uh |
| 00:44.27 | Wormydroid | Article 50 should be up to them as learned people, they know in their hearts it was a masdive mistake to leave the world's biggest economy |
| 00:44.41 | Technobliterator | I do not want a representative that does not honour the opinion of me and other people |
| 00:44.58 | Technobliterator | Representatives should do what the people want, or lose their job to someone who will actually do what the people want |
| 00:45.08 | Wormydroid | Our form of democracy is to vote the people who make the decisions |
| 00:45.24 | Technobliterator | 60+% people want to renationalise the rail, but we have a broken government that will not honour the public opinion on this front |
| 00:45.53 | Monet | I recall hearing back when the issue of hanging was discussed, the majority outcome in a referendum was "yes, keep hanging" I'll douible-check |
| 00:46.05 | Wormydroid | Instead of mskibg a real debate about what is good they use excuses like "honouribg the referendum which we forgot to mention was advisory" |
| 00:46.07 | Technobliterator | There is similar polling suggesting people want to renationalise the utilities companies, fund the NHS more often, and not to mention basically every war they start is deeply unpopular |
| 00:46.35 | Technobliterator | The people in government should be trying to make this happen, but instead, they don't care. They only care about keeping their donors happy. |
| 00:47.20 | Wormydroid | Yes, and the only reason they really want to honour the referendums to save their parties |
| 00:47.23 | Technobliterator | In my opinion, we need more direct democracy, not less, and I would almost be in favour of removing both houses in favour of pure direct democracy |
| 00:48.19 | Wormydroid | I'm not clued up enough to say yay or neigh |
| 00:48.53 | Wormydroid | But I maintain my opinion that is an empty excuse |
| 00:49.07 | Wormydroid | To do what they did |
| 00:49.45 | Technobliterator | I just think it's extremely clear that the vast majority of the MPs are disconnected from their constituents and don't care about them. This is why they always show up to vote when it's on issues of their own pay, why they might be one of the only professions which have seen their wages go up as the cost of living goes up (everyones' wages should), and why they don't even try and fight for or debate overwhelmingly |
| 00:49.45 | Technobliterator | popular issues |
| 00:49.51 | Monet | Technobliterator: So...nationalise utilities, NHS and the rails, what would you cut (by the way, the military is the single biggest funding group of R&D) |
| 00:50.02 | Technobliterator | You wouldn't cut anything |
| 00:50.10 | Monet | So you'd raise taxes |
| 00:50.11 | Technobliterator | We already pay for the rails |
| 00:50.20 | Technobliterator | But the costs are privatised |
| 00:50.30 | Technobliterator | And no, I wouldn't raise taxes, I would close tax loopholes |
| 00:51.36 | Wormydroid | I believe in people controlling where their taxes go |
| 00:51.48 | Technobliterator | And I would run a budget with a deficit and invest strategically to ensure that it eventually turns a profit, and ensure these programs have a positive fiscal multiplication rate |
| 00:51.59 | Wormydroid | I think it gives libertarian power to a welfare state |
| 00:52.44 | Wormydroid | The state says "we need money to have these services, byt you guys pay for what you want out of it" |
| 00:53.50 | Wormydroid | And then learned people could filter that money so that say, research into rare diseases get more of the share |
| 00:54.09 | Wormydroid | It'd be pretty general rather than granular |
| 00:54.20 | Technobliterator | Monet, for the record, I am aware that this is a very nuanced conversation. My issue is that it's an overwhelmingly popular position according to polling and the conversation isn't even being had |
| 00:54.53 | Technobliterator | I do not doubt, for instance, that if people learned more details (whether we would need to raise taxes being one of them, of course) about said plans, then support for them may fall |
| 00:55.33 | Technobliterator | But it suggests the system is very broken if nothing is happening at all when 60+% of people are in favour of it (and when it was the case a few decades ago) |
| 00:55.52 | Monet | Thing is, the NHS currently runs on a budget of about £120bln/year |
| 00:57.00 | Monet | The country already spends 114bln on welfare |
| 00:57.13 | Monet | 156bln on pensions. |
| 00:58.34 | Monet | Part of the politicians' job is to balance what the people want with what the state can handle. |
| 00:58.44 | Technobliterator | The NHS used to have a budget surplus, and now has a budget deficit |
| 00:59.28 | Technobliterator | (Which I believe is not being done to balance the budget, I believe it's being done for nefarious reasons which is to eventually privatise the whole thing and scrap the 'free at the point of need' policy, but that's a separate discussion) |
| 00:59.44 | Monet | Well *something's* changed - I'm looking at public spending figures right now |
| 01:00.38 | Technobliterator | But really, welfare spending can have a positive economic impact if it increases peoples' spending power, and reduces how much spending is needed on things like policing if less people turn to crime |
| 01:01.04 | Technobliterator | I think you could save the government a lot of money if the minimum wage was a living wage as well |
| 01:01.38 | Monet | Well if you've figured it out, contact an MP or a party spokesman |
| 01:01.57 | Liquid_Ink_ | They won't listen |
| 01:02.10 | Monet | Pffft sure they won't. |
| 01:02.25 | Monet | I've done this, I've got messages back |
| 01:02.25 | Technobliterator | It depends on which MP you talk to :V |
| 01:02.43 | Technobliterator | But I find "they won't listen at all" to be dismissive |
| 01:03.12 | Monet | See which MPs agree with you and contact them about it maybe |
| 01:03.53 | Technobliterator | I think my MP might, I'm not sure, but really my issue is more in how economic discussions are framed |
| 01:04.38 | Monet | Honestly letting them know you might have an interest is better than constantly finding reasons not to try. |
| 01:04.44 | Technobliterator | I think a lot of people frame it as welfare being an automatic economy drain and that welfare spending is the sole reason for the debt, or that you can only ever choose between raising taxes and cutting spending |
| 01:04.46 | Technobliterator | mhm |
| 01:05.42 | Technobliterator | My primary issue with the Labour Party is that they never even try and combat this narrative |
| 01:05.48 | Monet | Politicians may be an elite but they're still humans, they're not telepathic. |
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| 01:06.33 | Technobliterator | The only attempt I heard was Jeremy once saying "austerity is a political choice, not an economic necessity". Which was correct. But he never elaborated on it once and it just makes him look incompetent in the eyes of most voters. |
| 01:07.14 | Technobliterator | "We're in debt and they want to spend MORE? Labour are clueless!" is probably what most voters think, when it's actually more nuanced on both sides of the debate |
| 01:07.18 | Monet | There's more going on in the Labour party than whatever Jeremy Corbyn is saying. |
| 01:07.28 | Technobliterator | I really dislike the Labour Party |
| 01:07.52 | Technobliterator | In my opinion, it has accomplished extremely little since Attlee's days, and even then was plagued with faults |
| 01:07.58 | Monet | I may sound naïve here but I think there's more inter-party discourse over here than what goes on in the States. |
| 01:08.24 | Technobliterator | Well, US party politics is horrible because the two-party system is even worse |
| 01:08.48 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah, have to agree there |
| 01:09.09 | Technobliterator | In reality, this is how US parties should look: |
| 01:09.53 | Technobliterator | Green Party - Jill Stein. Social Democratic Party - Bernie Sanders. Libertarian Party - Ron Paul (or Rand, I guess?). Conservative Party - Hillary Clinton. American Nationalist Party - Donald Trump. |
| 01:11.27 | Monet | At the end of the day, MPs are -public- servants. Many of them go into it for power, sure, but there are many who also go in because they want to make a change. |
| 01:11.35 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah that's more or less where the actually party lines lie |
| 01:11.55 | DrodoEmpire | *actual party lines |
| 01:12.04 | Technobliterator | I think most MPs go in because they want to make a change |
| 01:12.10 | Technobliterator | and then a lot of them stay in because of power |
| 01:12.37 | DrodoEmpire | Drodo - This is why we adopted a monarchy |
| 01:12.38 | Technobliterator | like how Osbourne now has a high-paying job in the financial sector as a thank you for all the tax cuts he gave them : | |
| 01:12.44 | DrodoEmpire | Drodo - Parliaments suck dik |
| 01:12.55 | DrodoEmpire | Drodo - 8) |
| 01:13.26 | Monet | Maybe what the public needs to do more is nudge their MPs when they're getting too bigheaded. COuld be as simple as voting for soemoen else. |
| 01:13.47 | Technobliterator | problem is, voting for someone else may mean voting a party you don't like |
| 01:14.04 | Technobliterator | Or people may not know about their specific MP and vote on party lines alone |
| 01:14.13 | Monet | Or if one is available you could vote for a different MP of the same party. |
| 01:14.40 | DrodoEmpire | Try some Thai Masaman curry for the first time |
| 01:14.42 | DrodoEmpire | Its alright |
| 01:14.43 | Monet | Voting on party lines alone is one of the reasons why so many power-hungry politicians stay in their seats. |
| 01:15.05 | Technobliterator | Mhm |
| 01:15.21 | Monet | How many people know who their MP is beyond party allegiance? |
| 01:15.40 | DrodoEmpire | *Tried some |
| 01:16.06 | Technobliterator | I didn't until very recently when I looked it up out of curiousity, personally |
| 01:16.13 | DrodoEmpire | Ahh |
| 01:16.23 | DrodoEmpire | I had it delivered from a new place in town |
| 01:19.19 | Monet | That's the thing about democracy. |
| 01:20.15 | Monet | To get it to work, 30 million or moving parts need to come to this sort of conclusion. |
| 01:20.43 | DrodoEmpire | Drodo - That's dumb |
| 01:20.53 | DrodoEmpire | Drodo - Monarchies need one moving part |
| 01:21.00 | DrodoEmpire | Drodo - Therefore |
| 01:21.05 | DrodoEmpire | Drodo - Monarchy stronk |
| 01:21.10 | DrodoEmpire | Drodo - 8) |
| 01:21.55 | Monet | This is sort of why I question the rationality of a galactic empire functioning as a democracy. |
| 01:22.07 | DrodoEmpire | Eh |
| 01:22.15 | DrodoEmpire | Communication's always been a problem in democracies |
| 01:22.43 | Monet | constituencies might be larger. |
| 01:22.45 | DrodoEmpire | Its part of the reason why voting had, for most of its existence, a relatively tiny electorate based on property requirements |
| 01:23.16 | DrodoEmpire | Depends on how communication technology advances with the expansion of the empire, really |
| 01:23.46 | Monet | I think part of the beauty of this sort of scale http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/6/6f/Galacticsenate.png/revision/latest?cb=20130212012244 is yes, whe nyou have THAT many representatives, things are going to grind to a halt. |
| 01:24.09 | DrodoEmpire | Yep |
| 01:27.45 | Monet | Some of the seats, in the case of Aldaraan and Naboo, are for single planets. |
| 01:28.13 | Monet | Didn't Geonosis have its own seat? |
| 01:33.52 | DrodoEmpire | Think so |
| 01:34.47 | Monet | Given the political and cultural diversity of the USA and how it affects the elections, I'd hate to imagine what running for a president of the galaxy is like in terms of appeasing everyone. |
| 01:36.07 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 01:36.25 | DrodoEmpire | I figure Drodo premiers face a similar issue |
| 01:37.13 | DrodoEmpire | Though, there I imagine they try as much as possible to not to appeal to identity politics of that sort, lest they, you know, get assassinated by nationalists |
| 01:38.16 | Monet | I suppose in that sense the position of Paragon and the appointment of viceroies while giving much of the power to the upper house is possibly genius. |
| 01:38.38 | DrodoEmpire | Could be yeah |
| 01:44.27 | Tek0516 | Monet: Even Corporations like the Trade Federation has seats |
| 02:11.34 | Monet | ATek0516: In a way, the Republic was doomed long before Palpatine shwoed up. |
| 02:26.04 | Monet | goodnight |
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| 08:58.48 | Groxkiller98 | Heya. |
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| 09:44.04 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 09:45.34 | Groxkiller98 | Hey. |
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| 09:50.35 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 09:50.36 | Groxkiller98 | Hey. |
| 09:58.14 | Groxkiller98 | Well, hostilities with the Grand Teyan Empire have officially begun! |
| 09:58.28 | Groxkiller98 | They're fighting the Mithadorn atm. |
| 09:58.50 | Groxkiller98 | And hostilities in the Milky Way will likely begin soon. |
| 10:00.10 | Groxkiller98 | What color is the text in the msg template, btw? |
| 10:00.22 | Groxkiller98 | 1, 2, 3, or 4? >_> |
| 10:00.52 | Ghelae | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Msg#Parameters |
| 10:01.04 | Groxkiller98 | Thanks. |
| 10:03.21 | Groxkiller98 | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction_talk:Talven_Empire#Incoming_transmission_from_the_Mithadorn_Republic - Part of my transmission can't be seen. T_T |
| 10:03.35 | Groxkiller98 | In the 'char' section. |
| 10:04.33 | Groxkiller98 | Ah. Got it! |
| 10:17.05 | Groxkiller98 | Why is it so quiet in the mornings? |
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| 10:19.31 | Imperios | Hi |
| 10:20.12 | Groxkiller98 | Hey. |
| 10:20.38 | Groxkiller98 | The Grand Teyan Empire have officially begun hostilities with natives in Andromeda. |
| 10:43.26 | Imperios | Liquid_Ink: http://orig05.deviantart.net/b202/f/2016/341/d/8/indy_assault_by_party9999999-daquc56.png Did I show this to you before? |
| 10:44.37 | Liquid_Ink | I've seen that everywhere |
| 10:45.29 | Liquid_Ink | My favourite caption is "College professor in altercation with alt-right serviceman |
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| 10:49.04 | Groxkiller98 | Hai. |
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| 10:57.58 | Groxkiller98 | Hey, Oluap. |
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| 11:08.24 | Wormydroid | Hi |
| 11:10.49 | Groxkiller98 | Hey. |
| 11:12.49 | Groxkiller98 | Wormy, you seen? The Grand Teyan Empire are now on the offensive. |
| 11:12.59 | Groxkiller98 | In Andromeda, anyway. |
| 11:15.27 | Wormydroid | I'll have a look when I get some time |
| 11:15.34 | Wormydroid | Who are rhey fighting? |
| 11:16.35 | Groxkiller98 | Mithadorn atm. |
| 11:16.48 | Groxkiller98 | The republic stepped in to slow them down. |
| 11:16.58 | Groxkiller98 | And it turned violent. |
| 11:17.23 | Wormydroid | What's the motivating factor of conflict? |
| 11:18.04 | Groxkiller98 | The Mithadorn stepped in the way to slow down the Teyan expansion. And the Teyan retaliated by shooing them away using firearms. |
| 11:18.17 | Groxkiller98 | So, a conflict of interests, I suppose. |
| 11:18.30 | Groxkiller98 | One wants to keep expanding, the other doesn't. |
| 11:18.36 | Wormydroid | I see |
| 11:20.04 | Groxkiller98 | I'm struggling to write a captain page. :| |
| 11:20.08 | Groxkiller98 | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Vey%27Kunla |
| 11:20.12 | Groxkiller98 | Working on his appearence. |
| 11:20.17 | Groxkiller98 | Appearance* |
| 11:20.36 | Groxkiller98 | He's basically living inside a life-support suit. |
| 11:22.52 | Wormydroid | Test |
| 11:30.51 | Groxkiller98 | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Kalcedia_Myran - This lady still weirds me out. >_> |
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| 12:12.06 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 12:12.31 | Groxkiller98 | Hey. |
| 12:12.52 | ImpyDroid2 | >mentioned Kalcedia |
| 12:12.59 | ImpyDroid2 | >Hachiman logs in |
| 12:13.06 | Groxkiller98 | XD |
| 12:13.18 | Groxkiller98 | Forty minutes late. |
| 12:14.10 | Groxkiller98 | And now I must leave. Cya! |
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| 12:17.02 | ImpyDroid2 | Hi |
| 12:17.28 | OluapPlayer | Hi |
| 12:17.44 | OluapPlayer | Reached Exalted with the Golden Lotus and got Cranes |
| 12:17.47 | OluapPlayer | ur not unique anymore |
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| 12:36.28 | Hachiman | ImpyDroid2: What was being said of Kalcedia? |
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| 12:48.29 | cyrabot | Bloody buses are the bane of my existence |
| 12:48.54 | cyrabot | Nothing worse than watching your bus drive off |
| 12:50.44 | cyrabot | Now I'm forced to wait around in Burger King with nobody to talk to for an hour |
| 12:50.56 | Liquid_Ink | You have us |
| 12:51.17 | ImpyDroid2 | OluapPlayer: Crane power |
| 12:51.40 | OluapPlayer | I've hit 100 mounts with the cranes |
| 12:51.43 | ImpyDroid2 | What level is your troll arm? |
| 12:51.44 | OluapPlayer | I dragonhawk now |
| 12:51.45 | ImpyDroid2 | Ooooh |
| 12:51.53 | ImpyDroid2 | Oooooooog |
| 12:51.55 | ImpyDroid2 | *Oooooh |
| 12:51.57 | OluapPlayer | Troll is level 6 iirc |
| 12:52.15 | ImpyDroid2 | I just remembered I had a low level Horde char |
| 12:52.22 | ImpyDroid2 | Like level 20 or so |
| 12:52.30 | ImpyDroid2 | We could level these together |
| 12:52.49 | OluapPlayer | Sure, once I progress enough with dorf |
| 12:52.59 | OluapPlayer | Once my internet stops being a pain I really want to do mythics |
| 12:53.32 | ImpyDroid2 | Oh yes definitely |
| 12:54.07 | ImpyDroid2 | I could help you with them for sure |
| 12:54.15 | OluapPlayer | yey |
| 12:54.22 | OluapPlayer | Dalaran weekly wants 4 mythics |
| 12:54.31 | OluapPlayer | I still need to do Halls of Valor for that one quest |
| 12:59.33 | cyrabot | Just held the door open at the GPO for three old ladies, an old man and a woman with a baby, I'm such a fothermucking gentleman |
| 13:00.09 | OluapPlayer | Yes you're a fothermucker alright |
| 13:01.46 | cyrabot | luv u too |
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| 13:13.05 | Monet | hello |
| 13:15.32 | OluapPlayer | Hi |
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| 13:37.01 | NeonPanda | hi all |
| 13:37.14 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 13:38.09 | Monet | hi |
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| 14:58.58 | Monet | Took me ages to realise where the phrase "worth his salt" came from |
| 14:59.26 | Monet | If I understand correctly it refers back to when Greek and ROoman soldiers were paid in stipends of salt. |
| 14:59.57 | Monet | To be "worth your salt" was to be worth your payment as a man, a soldier. |
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| 15:00.52 | NeonPanda | and I'm back |
| 15:01.09 | Monet | Hi |
| 15:01.10 | NeonPanda | OluapPlayer Hachiman: so I just vicariously experienced a D&D horror story that will likely trump anything Hachi manages |
| 15:01.16 | NeonPanda | and Monet in that as well |
| 15:01.20 | OluapPlayer | ? |
| 15:02.15 | NeonPanda | basically, over the past 6 sessions my friend's character has been made an utter bitch, with the DM completely blocking any attempt he makes at building on his backstory while letting the other players do essentially whatever |
| 15:02.52 | OluapPlayer | That by itself is already horrifying |
| 15:04.02 | Hachiman | Ouch |
| 15:04.18 | NeonPanda | on three separate occasions, while trying to find information about the local criminal guild (his backstory is that he's a former career criminal), he's been beaten unconscious due to excessively high level npcs (apparently pickpockets are 5th level rogues), and had to be rescued by the rest of the party |
| 15:04.58 | Monet | Those are some scary pickpockets. |
| 15:06.08 | NeonPanda | so yeah Hachi, prettymuch no matter how badly you may screw up, at least we know there's people that are worse |
| 15:06.43 | NeonPanda | oh also OluapPlayer: I was watching an Age of Sigmar game that was basically 300 clanrats versus three big undead things, and it gave me an idea for ookin: warpstone knuckle dusters |
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| 15:06.58 | OluapPlayer | Elaborate |
| 15:07.21 | Monet | Whoboy. |
| 15:07.48 | Monet | That'll be fun |
| 15:08.29 | Wormydroid | Hm, think I bit off more than I can chew with computability |
| 15:08.39 | NeonPanda | basically, think spiky kryptonite versions of this: http://www.chuckdsecurity.com/v/vspfiles/assets/images/brass_knuckle_spiked_silver.jpg |
| 15:09.03 | Hachiman | You essentially become Knuckles except a monkey |
| 15:09.20 | NeonPanda | punch people, stab them, screw up their insides while you're at it |
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| 15:09.34 | Monet | If we're going with warpstone in its entirity, it'd be red kryptonite |
| 15:10.04 | OluapPlayer | Wouldn't that count as a weapon? |
| 15:10.16 | Monet | Knuckle dusters are fist weapons |
| 15:10.18 | OluapPlayer | Also remember Ookin doesn't punch, he thrusts his palm at you |
| 15:10.31 | NeonPanda | we can improvise |
| 15:10.36 | Hachiman | Slaps you to death |
| 15:10.55 | Monet | I mean for the sake of simplicity it could still do damage. |
| 15:11.43 | Hachiman | I mean personally I'd stick with unarmed considering your base damage grows over time and eventually your fists count as magic anyway |
| 15:11.53 | Monet | Knuckle-dusters don't have to have spikes - if we're talking a palm slam then ypu're technically still hitting them with a small metal bar. |
| 15:12.21 | Hachiman | Also, that's a thing; next time you get a feat, I suggest Weapon Focus and Weapon Specialisation on your unarmed attacks |
| 15:12.41 | Hachiman | Well, get Weapon Focus and then get Weapon Specialisation later |
| 15:13.01 | NeonPanda | Hachiman: Brawlers have an ability that allows weapons to scale with their unarmed strikes at a reduced level |
| 15:13.12 | Hachiman | Oh I never noticed that? |
| 15:13.18 | Hachiman | -? |
| 15:13.24 | NeonPanda | kicks in at the mid levels |
| 15:14.18 | NeonPanda | anywho, just an idea |
| 15:18.40 | NeonPanda | inb4 we give him an assassin's creed style wrist blade |
| 15:18.50 | Hachiman | Oh that'd be cool |
| 15:19.24 | Hachiman | Take a dip into Rogue and get sneak damage while flanking |
| 15:19.29 | NeonPanda | at the very least (and Oluap and I agreed on this) he needs an amulet or bracers of mighty fists, so that he can have FIRE PUNCHES |
| 15:19.40 | Hachiman | Aye |
| 15:19.46 | NeonPanda | I just realised |
| 15:19.49 | NeonPanda | it's not fire punches |
| 15:19.50 | NeonPanda | it's |
| 15:19.51 | NeonPanda | HADOUKEN |
| 15:19.58 | Hachiman | I was gonna say Falcon Punch |
| 15:21.12 | NeonPanda | but yeah assuming he doesn't find one some time before level 7, I'm definitely getting my crafter cohort to make one for him, it being such an essential item and all |
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| 15:24.03 | Jepardi | Hi |
| 15:25.24 | NeonPanda | unrelated note, I need to play more GTA V |
| 15:26.57 | NeonPanda | oh yeah, Monet: in case it hasn't been mentioned I will at some point be grabbing Leadership to have a magic item crafter on staff, so if there's anything that distinctly appeals to you I may be able to make it happen (assuming Hachi doesn't put it in the game for you) |
| 15:34.34 | Monet | Nice |
| 15:42.03 | NeonPanda | of course I expect AD&D levels of obscure components required for magic items, but that can be managed |
| 15:42.57 | Monet | It's amazing what you can find in portside markets. |
| 15:44.10 | NeonPanda | "Why yes, I do just so happen to have a vial of Ancient Red Dragon's blood, although I'm afraid I don't have the freely given brand." |
| 15:45.58 | OluapPlayer | "I do have Ancient White Dragons' blood though. New shipment just arrived." |
| 15:47.28 | NeonPanda | gotta love the incredibly specific ones though, like mandrake flower harvested by a dwarven druid under a new moon |
| 15:47.51 | OluapPlayer | The fuck |
| 15:48.48 | NeonPanda | that's what the DM does when they want the party to do something really specific that they would otherwise have no reason to do |
| 15:49.03 | NeonPanda | "Hm, I have this neat idea for an encounter with a dwarven druid circle... how do?" |
| 15:49.35 | OluapPlayer | That's slightly more understandable |
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| 15:50.35 | Cyrannian | Hi |
| 15:51.09 | NeonPanda | it's also a kind of gating, like "yeah I want these guys to have this neat item, but I also want them to earn it, and not just in the usual give money kind of way" |
| 15:51.13 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 15:51.23 | NeonPanda | like cutting off boss tails in Dark Souls |
| 15:51.31 | Hachiman | Hope you guys decided what to do with the loot btw |
| 15:52.02 | Cyrannian | OluapPlayer: Very nice introduction to the Dentronian |
| 15:52.11 | OluapPlayer | Man I miss tail items |
| 15:52.22 | OluapPlayer | Cyrannian: Glad you like it |
| 15:53.14 | NeonPanda | prettymuch the understanding was split the gold evenly with one for Random, sell the heavy crossbows, Monet gets the trident, Oluap gets the cloak, and I took the heads to go on a recruiting spree |
| 15:53.28 | NeonPanda | although now that I think of it, I got shafted XD |
| 15:57.38 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:59.12 | NeonPanda | heh |
| 16:00.13 | Monet | I'm not joking but not a day goes by without a delivery man coming to the door with a parcel. |
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| 16:13.44 | NeonPanda | oh also Monet: you should totally start charging the people on the ship to cure their diseases |
| 16:17.24 | NeonPanda | also I derped and it's next level you get remove disease/remove curse |
| 16:18.43 | Monet | Oh well, at least she can still mend cuts and fractured bones. |
| 16:22.24 | Monet | https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/stellaris-dev-diary-59-megastructures.997705/ YESSS |
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| 16:26.32 | Treebeard | Hello |
| 16:28.50 | NeonPanda | Monet: SCIENCE INTENSIFIES |
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| 16:53.43 | Treebeard | Hello |
| 16:54.11 | dino82_ | hi :d |
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| 16:56.17 | Treebeard | Hello |
| 16:57.28 | Monet | Hello |
| 16:59.58 | dino82_ | hi |
| 17:07.31 | Treebeard | Monet Imperios: Would you like me to list the Pan-Andromedan Ecumene as a supporter of the Four-Power Alliance in Marinus' Rebellion? |
| 17:07.44 | Imperios | Hm |
| 17:07.48 | Imperios | Can you give me a link? |
| 17:07.53 | Imperios | Us even |
| 17:08.08 | Treebeard | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Four-Power_Alliance_(Marinus%27_Rebellion) |
| 17:09.13 | Monet | The Ecumene I imagine would be supportive of France. |
| 17:09.18 | Monet | So it would make sense |
| 17:09.36 | Treebeard | Alright, thanks |
| 17:10.48 | Monet | I'll be back later |
| 17:13.27 | Tek0516 | Woo. Megastructure building is getting added to Stellaris |
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| 17:49.08 | dino82_ | test |
| 17:55.53 | Imperios | TreebearD: That's interesting, the PAE as a whole can support France yeah |
| 17:56.26 | Treebeard | Alright |
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| 17:57.07 | Wormydroid | Hi |
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| 17:59.10 | Imperios | Hi Wormy |
| 17:59.37 | Monet | Hello |
| 18:00.12 | dino82_ | hi |
| 18:00.19 | Imperios | Wormydroid: http://i.imgur.com/KmPRvv9.png I tweaked the flag a little bit |
| 18:01.18 | Wormydroid | A darker green is better |
| 18:01.47 | Wormydroid | Could you change red to purple for me? Purple is more Dcp'ish |
| 18:02.23 | Wormydroid | That green you got is perfect |
| 18:02.59 | Wormydroid | I meant to say |
| 18:03.04 | Wormydroid | Brb |
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| 18:13.55 | Imperios | Wormydroid_: Changed to maroon |
| 18:14.11 | Imperios | Or deep purple not sure |
| 18:14.23 | Imperios | I am not sure about the galaxy symbol, it feels out of place |
| 18:14.31 | Imperios | What do you think could I put instead as the central symbol? |
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| 18:30.34 | dino82_ | :d |
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| 18:39.44 | Wormydroid | Imperios yeah, the Dcp have mire than one galaxy in mind to hold influence over |
| 18:40.07 | Wormydroid | But I'm not sure what else |
| 18:40.30 | Wormydroid | Could be represented |
| 18:41.02 | Imperios | https://lh4.ggpht.com/zfXLEYjCcn-peZoNQpwfqYTg-KtFuzs80Twae8obhfL_HS4ydGsJ1EUHIoKcyhLw8Pk=w300 Maybe a symbol like this? |
| 18:41.37 | Wormydroid | That's pretty cool, it looks orderly |
| 18:44.18 | Imperios | That and I found it on a conspiracy theory video that links it to the Templars and the Illuminati |
| 18:48.59 | Wormydroid | Best not take an exact copy of their symbol, or they might come after us jk |
| 18:55.12 | Imperios | Wormydroid: http://i.imgur.com/zN6Eyyf.png Now it looks slightly oriental |
| 18:56.38 | Wormydroid | Indeed |
| 18:56.38 | Wormydroid | That looks great |
| 18:57.29 | Wormydroid | Facebook sued over oculus copyright infringement http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38834867 |
| 19:01.05 | Imperios | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Coalition_Jack.png There you go, use it if you want |
| 19:01.58 | Wormydroid | I will use it, either as the flag or the fleet emblem |
| 19:02.29 | Wormydroid | Thank you very much |
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| 19:21.06 | Wormydroid | Don't know why I see so many spiders this time of year, there's hardly any flies [19:20] <Wormydroid> Oh yeah, they eat each other probably |
| 19:25.16 | dino82_ | test |
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| 19:43.38 | Luxor | o/ |
| 19:52.15 | dino82_ | hi |
| 20:33.14 | Monet | Wormydroid: Probably |
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| 20:35.25 | Wormy_ | Police blow up 'suspicious' car outside station - then realise it had been parked there by fellow officers http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/02/police-blow-suspicious-car-outside-station-realise-had-parked/ |
| 20:35.50 | Wormy_ | Are we living in a comedy sketch |
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| 20:40.49 | Groxkiller98 | Hey. |
| 20:41.18 | dino82_ | hi |
| 20:41.47 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/iGmGG |
| 20:52.49 | Wormy_ | mind the whoosh http://imgur.com/gallery/CSgBv |
| 20:54.41 | Wormy_ | Imperios, Hachiman: http://imgur.com/gallery/JT1Fa |
| 21:14.31 | Imperios | Groxkiller98: I just realised you have Spodists |
| 21:15.03 | dino82_ | bye bye |
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| 21:15.52 | Groxkiller98_ | Crashed. >_> |
| 21:15.54 | Groxkiller98_ | You did? |
| 21:17.02 | Groxkiller98_ | It took you that long to realise I have Spodists? |
| 21:18.34 | Wormy_ | chill |
| 21:18.54 | Imperios | Groxkiller98_: My bad hur |
| 21:19.18 | Groxkiller98_ | XD |
| 21:19.37 | Groxkiller98_ | I'm just kinda surprised you hadn't noticed until now. |
| 21:19.53 | Groxkiller98_ | No real issue with it. |
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| 21:37.57 | Tek0516 | https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/perfect-your-galactic-empire-in-stellaris-utopia.997685/ So the new Stellaris expansion will apparently include the ability to build Dyson Spheres |
| 21:38.27 | Monet | Tek0516: I mentioned it earlier |
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| 21:52.41 | DrodoEmpire | Hi everyone |
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| 21:56.00 | DrodoEmpire | Hey |
| 21:56.11 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 21:56.58 | Tek0516 | Hello |
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| 22:37.08 | Spluff5 | How do you guys make images of spaceships surrounded by shield? |
| 22:37.09 | Spluff5 | Hi |
| 22:40.07 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
| 22:40.08 | DrodoEmpire | Not sure |
| 22:44.05 | Wormy_ | I used to use the puddle effect, horribly |
| 22:44.07 | Ghelae | Spluff5: Is there an example of such an image on this wiki that you mean? |
| 22:45.02 | Spluff5 | Not in particular, I'm just writing about my shields atm and I want to figure out a good way to make an image of a ship with one active. |
| 22:45.26 | Ghelae | looks at his examples |
| 22:50.54 | Ghelae | I've found a few examples of shields working. |
| 22:51.54 | Ghelae | As Wormy mentioned, one option is to use the puddle effect. I've always restricted this to the location of impact, as seen in these three pictures: |
| 22:52.15 | Ghelae | http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/4/47/BattleOfBorgSpace.png/revision/latest?cb=20100806071449 http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/b/b1/Battle_Over_Eris.png/revision/latest?cb=20100801103503 http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/5/5c/Grox-Saucer_Battle.png/revision/latest?cb=20110610212516 |
| 22:52.19 | Ghelae | Oh, okay. |
| 22:55.02 | Wormy_ | Probably disconned. |
| 23:12.41 | Wormy_ | winner of the internets today https://www.reddit.com/r/food/comments/5rnecu/homemade_chicken_parm_sourdough_deep_dish_pizza/ |
| 23:13.40 | DrodoEmpire | Whoa |
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| 23:55.27 | Wormy_ | http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/38728548/huge-otter-fossil-millions-of-years-old-discovered-in-china |
| 23:56.39 | DrodoEmpire | Huh wow |
| 23:57.22 | Monet | THat's enormous |
| 23:57.59 | OluapPlayer | >up to two metres in length |
| 23:58.01 | OluapPlayer | BIG otter |
